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‘I Got Some Bad News For You, Jack!!’ Wednesday Brings LOST’s Faraday-Centric Episode 100!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
It was easy to love “Some Like It Hoth,” the Miles-centric episode from two weeks ago, which boasted Hurley’s crazy conversation with Pierre Chang, maybe the strongest Hurley scene since he took to smooshing Others with his van. And Miles’ discovery near episode’s end that his dad did love him provided one of the series’ most moving moments.
With “Hoth” we also received confirmation that Miles, like Charlotte and Daniel, is islander spawn.
37-year-old Alice Evans tonight becomes the third actress to be cast as Daniel Faraday’s mom, Eloise Hawking.
Daniel reveals tonight that he’s been at Dharma HQ in Ann Arbor, but has he really been sneaking around in Scotland, conducting gruesome experiments on a 9-year-old Desmond Hume? ABC’s description of tonight’s 100th episode, titled “The Variable,” makes no mention of a “young Desmond”:
The time of reckoning has begun when Daniel Faraday comes clean regarding what he knows about the island. Guest starring are Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Sonya Walger as Penelope "Penny" Widmore, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Francois Chau as Dr. Pierre Chang, Fionnula Flanagan as Eloise Hawking, Patrick Fischler as Phil, Eric Lange as Radzinsky, Sarah Farooqui as Theresa, Alice Evans as younger Eloise Hawking, Wendy Pearson as E.R. doctor, Todd Coolidge as paramedic, Peggy Anne Siegmund as caretaker, Jennifer Sojot as E.R. nurse, Spencer Allyn as young Daniel Faraday, Michael Dempsey as foreman, Maya Henssens as young girl, Ariston Green as workman, Marvin DeFreitas as young Charlie and Brad Berryhill as anxious guy. Written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz and directed by Paul Edwards.
After tonight, all that remains for season five are three hours spread over the next two Wednesdays.
ABC says of next week’s installment, said to be Alpert-centric and titled “Follow The Leader”:
Jack and Kate find themselves at odds over the direction to take to save their fellow island survivors, Locke further solidifies his stance as leader of "The Others," and Sawyer and Juliet come under scrutiny from the Dharma Initiative. Guest starring are Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Francois Chau as Dr. Pierre Chang, Doug Hutchison as Horace Goodspeed, Patrick Fischler as Phil, Eric Lange as Radzinsky, David S. Lee as younger Charles Widmore, Alice Evans as younger Eloise Hawking, Leslie Ishii as Lara, Sebastian Siegel as Erik, Kevin Chapman as Mitch, Elisabeth Blake as Vanessa, William Makozak as Captain Bird, Victoria Goring as mother and Maya Henssens as young girl. Written by Paul Zbyszewski & Elizabeth Sarnoff and directed by Stephen Williams.
ABC says of the May 13 two-hour fifth-season finale, titled “The Incident” and hailing the return of Rose and Bernard and the introduction of “Deadwood” vet Titus Welliver:
Jack's decision to put a plan in action in order to set things right on the island is met with some strong resistance by those close to him, and Locke assigns Ben a difficult task. Guest starring are L. Scott Caldwell as Rose, Sam Anderson as Bernard, John Terry as Christian Shephard, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Francois Chau as Dr. Pierre Chang, Patrick Fischler as Phil, Eric Lange as Radzinsky, Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana, Brad William Henke as Bram, Jon Gries as Roger Linus, Alice Evans as younger Eloise Hawking, Andrea Gabriel as Noor "Nadia" Abed Jaseem, Kevin Chapman as Mitch, Mark Pellegrino as man #1, Titus Welliver as man #2, Emily Rae Argenti as young Kate, Tanner Maguire as young Tom, George Gerdes as Mr. Springer, Agnes Kwak as Aunt Soo, Amy Stewart as mother, Rylee Fansler as young Juliet, Savannah Lathem as young Rachel, William Makozak as Captain Bird, Daniel James Kunkel as anesthesiologist, Sonya Masinovsky as Russian nurse, Keegan Boos as young Sawyer, Colby French as Uncle Doug, John Pete as prison clerk, Michael Trisler as father, Sally Davis as woman and Adam Bazzi as cab driver. Written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse and directed by Jack Bender.
9 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.
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"episode", get anything new from it? It was being pitched not a regular recap but from a different perspective (I'm assuming if there was new material, it was just stuff that didn't make the final edit).
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Are you committed to getting up at the crack of noon for deep-knee rock squats?
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I thought I was going to have to work the rest of the afternoon... just kidding, I'll still work. Kind of.
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Why do I think that Daniel's revelation that he is from the future is what sets off the chain reaction of events that leads the losties to ditch out on the Dharma initiative? That's about the best preview clip that ABC has given us all season.
And man alive does that finalie have a lot of guest stars - that's going to be epic. I've heard it's a Jacob-centric episode. If so, that's going to be rocking.
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Great reference!
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Hey D_T, I watched last week's "special" and no, I got nothing from it. It was just ABC milking it for more money. They just wanted to put more episodes on during sweeps.
That special was worthless. I only watched it because there was nothing else on, I don't have cable, and I felt like watching TV - it's like it's built into my biorhythems now to watch TV at 9 on Wednesday or something - thanks Lost.
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This is gonna be good!
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I wouldn't totally agree with TheFug that I got NOTHING from it, but it was fairly worthless and contained nothing new, as these things never do. The thing I enjoyed was seeing the last two seasons laid out chronologically, that was the different perspective, and it was interesting in some sections, just to have the events laid out in logical pattern of time, instead of the jumping and jiving we've had over season 4 and 5. Like, the series of events from Locke leaving the island, to Jack being convinced he needed to go back, to getting the 6 together, to going back. It was just nice to have it all laid out and see those things in a very clear way. But other than that, no, it wasnt important.
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cant wait either
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Obama's 100th day in office is the same day as the 100th episode of Lost airs. COINCIDENCE?!! Obama is Jacob. Case closed.
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so can we assume that when his speech/press conference goes long we are watching lost?
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and I'm happy that there will be plenty of Batmanuel to look at.
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I watched the clip a couple of days ago and as soon as Faraday said the line, the song popped into my head. Seeing the line posted on AICN only served to again remind me of the D. I wasn't sure anyone would get the reference. Glad to see it didn't take long.
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So lately, I tend to dream about lost alot.... So in my dream last night, desmond barely survives the marina encounter with Ben. He tells Penny to take him to Eloise Hawking, thinking somehow she can help. She says she can, and subsequently drugs him. The end of my dream was Illana opening up the shiny box and Desmond waking up via the jack in the jungle opening from season 1. At this point I woke up, but the more I thought about it, maybe my brain is on the right track? Of course not, but just thought I would share. Whatever...
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Finally I am about to burst from lost blue balls! I am glad we get to see a MILFy Eloise tonight. Quick question, Juliet or Charlotte?
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Will it effect Lost tonight?
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....Obama will find someone to point the finger at and blame if his press conference goes long. I suspect that he will blame the teleprompter guy (again).
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SO I can guess who guy number 1 is because it was all over IMDB who he is supposed to be....But who is guy #2..Is there going to be another mysterious person we dont know about....Is he the trid guy in the triangle of whos going to be at war
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Oh shit, did he say he is from the future? Ah, we're dead.
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Oh! spoiler alert.
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They've replaced Teleprompter Guy with a lookalike. Be prepared for some fast talking, folks.
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I guess if it is, I doubt it will be the end of his story. With all the time travel shenanigans and (apparantly) from what he says in the preview (I have not watched) this version is from the future, so somewhere there is another daniel? Who knows.
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Does he really? Deuch Bag
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Listings for several young characters, and many characters mentioned in the descriptions, but no mention of Sayid at all. I assume episode 100 will feature an unexpected death, and right now my money is on Sayid. Nadia is dead. He doesn't have story left.
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ironic really.
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I just started watching lost this season, and have been catching up online, have three season four eps left and I'll be caught up, that's a lot of lost spread over a bout five weeks. But anyway, I was wondering about the big shiny silver box, and was wondering if it was possibly the box Ben told Locke about in "the man from Tallahassee" the one where whatever you could imagine would come out.
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Almost any one of them better than most movies. Except for the Nikki and Paulo episode that is.
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It's two days before the release and you haven't posted your reviews? Not looking good for Hugh.
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I think having a magic box is a poor storytelling element, and that it was a carefully crafted lie by Ben. Ben had files on everyone and seemed to know everyone's secrets. Getting Locke's dad and then claiming it was magic was just Ben being manipulative as always.
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... die-hard wingnuts. It's over nutbags, Bushie killed your party. Nothing left but racists, conspiracy theorists, rednecks and bible-thumpers. Take that elephant out back and shoot it already.
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Fox said the press screenings of Wolverine had a totally different ending from the work print, yet press reviews are saying it is the same ending. Who should I trust? But apparently there will be TWO secret endings in the theaters, so keep seeing it multiple times!I'm sorry. I really wanted to be excited about a Wolverine movie. But I wanted to see the Japan story, and what Fox has produced looks like complete crap on "Rise of the Silver Surfer" levels. I wouldn't watch Wolverine for free right now.
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Come On. Still with the "Expose" pot-shots? I maintain that that episode was pretty solid as a stand-alone, Twilight-Zone-esque approach to one of the many crazy things that happen on this wild little Island of ours, wrapped into one episode, and it was fun as fuck. If you want to talk about the only, single, real worthless episode of Lost, that would be the Charlie centric "Fire + Water" where he tries to baptize Aaron for no reason. Give Nikki and Paolo a break. While it was a bit annoying at the time because we wait week to week and got an episode that didn't advance the story, I still think it was a worthwhile hour of exploring the Lost universe. Rant over.
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I think the Obama line was a joke. The only one here sounding like a nut-job here is you. If you want to talk Lost, then talk Lost. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
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Gotta love a ridiculous conspiracy. Obama is Jacob. Spread the word.
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At Baskin Robbins, 5pm to 10pm!!!! FFFFUUUUCCCK!!! I can't wait, 100th episode tonight... gonna be epic.
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Expose was a meta-episode where they acknowledged fans, and the show made fun of itself. I would have preferred it as webisodes or something, but it wasn't terrible.
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Your hate has made you stupid. It was a joke about Obama and his new teleprompter mess from the other day. Geez...get a life!
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I was going to maybe Hulu it or something before tonight, but it sounds like I'm OK. BTW, that would be an outstanding username.
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Well said! Some of those despised episodes are pretty good. I guess that you just have to give them some time. Expose wasn't nearly as bad as people perceived it at the time. It set up quite a bit of the Others' backstory. Nice.
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Tonight you'll get your fix, and say goodbye to your blueballs.
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100th episode. Someone has to die, right? Anyone want to speculate?
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A great way to sendoff the show's most despised characters, while making a cool episode itself.
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The only thing Lost is missing is some Tijuana Brass.
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What more needs to be said?
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i hear she is on the new version of "V"... of course she could potentially do both I suppose.
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Juliette does go both ways, hot-ham
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caught an interview with him on good morning america yesterday while waiting at the doctor's office... i've never seen a more uncomfortable interview, plus he seemed THRILLED when they mention party of five.
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Any chance of getting the 2 of them in a hot tub for a lesbian embrace? If so, can we get Polanski to direct it? Just askin.....
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I don't normally go for blondes, but Gia is a good movie and it also features hot lesbian sex with Juliet. If you haven't seen Gia, go buy a copy right this second.
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but nice observation
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Rose and Bernard are coming back, in the finale of all things. There better be a good damn explanation for why they have been AWOL this entire season.
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Choices...
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I seriously half-expect Sawyer to ask Jack if he wants to swap some night. I really wouldn't put it past him.
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Several times when Juliet/Miles/Sawyer were running around the island or in their little kayaks, Juliet asked about the other survivors. There were like 20 on the beach when the flaming arrow attacks came.And seriously, Gia is a good movie, even without the REPEATED hot lesbian sex.
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EXPOSE was awesome. it just was,..epseically how we saw everything from there perspective(and essentially relived alot of GREAT lost moments)...and..it was fucking hilarious.that episode deserved an emmy for its awesomeness....and comeon...we helped spwan the name "TAKE A SHIT GUY" for the rodrigo character...that alone still makes me laugh
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I wonder if he is just always paranoid that he only has one more season of Lost, and given that Speed Racer tanked, his career might be ending.
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I also really liked the opening scene of Expose with Lando "Colt45" Calrissian.
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another 100 hours please.Or, like battle star galactica...create a spin-off once LOST ends.LIKE "DHARMA INITITIAVE blues" or something.seriously.
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I'm disappointed. :) I like Faraday, and am loving this season so far.
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Ahhhh, didn't think it'd ever get here. Hello all! Hope everyone enjoys the 100th episode.
That cast list...for the finale...is ridiculous. As in 'good'. -
Elizabeth Mitchell confirmed that she's already done shooting V. She flew back and forth and shot both at the same time.My guess for the big 100th episode death is Daniel. Give him some more backstory, maybe a nice heroic sacrifice, and then it's Bedtime for Bonzo.
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Have any stargate insults loaded and ready to fire?
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Faraday at the hands of his mid-30s mother.
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Faraday has the answers, so you kill him off before he can spill everything?
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I have no idea what you're talking about. *wink*
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I asked for speculation. If someone knows and they are posting spoilers, then they are douche nozzles. Then again, Locke was shot and went for a hike ten minutes later like he was fine. Little Ben was shot dead center in the chest, they couldn't stop the bleeding supposedly (though his bandages were clean and he just sat for hours, not bleeding out) and he lived. Oh, and Desmond was shot and didn't die yet that we know of.
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Apr 29, 2009 3:18:59 PM CDT
i agree, if it's true... said person is not gone forever
by hot_ham_water_fan
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If you like Lost, you can't like show X, Y or Z. If you like show X, Y or Z, then you can't like Lost. And I must attack those fans to prove the superiority of my show. That's right Gossip Girl fans. I'm looking at you. You're going down!
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Locke was shot twice on the island. He should get a punch card.
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Or "Boy." Too bad, because I love your theory Herc.
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If x = brothers and sisters, y = gossip girl, and z = ugly betty - then yes I support your equation. More for the fact that those fans are the ones that come up with those "relationship names" Skate or whatever the !@#$%$ they are.
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I was just shocked that I hadn't seen people bitching yet that Heroes/24/BSG is better than Lost, and that you can only like one of them. However, I do assume that the Brothers and Sisters/Gossip Girl/Ugly Betty fans are no doubt quite separated from the Lost crowd. My mother-in-law tries to watch Lost, but I always have to explain it to her later.
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I have some coworkers that watch Lost and are from the afformentioned group of television viewers. I quit going to get coffee until I knew they were safely back in their offices. They all seemed to be more concerned with Sawyer getting back with kate, etc. Made my head hurt.
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Here they come!
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The Disney owned ABC has only one possible way they can and will end their major cash cow that is Lost in a satisfying way. Widmore will be attempting to siege the island from Ben, with the Losties in the middle fighting for their lives, when out of the blue, the Black Pearl will land on Lostie Island setting the stage for Pirates 4. Search your feelings Skywalker. You know it to be true.
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HE COMES
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So who would agree with this? Before the donkey wheel, the island was slightly out of sync with normal time and space from the outside world, and once the donkey wheel was thrown off, anyone within the "blast radius" was completely out of sync until Locke reset it.
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What are you guys talking about? I didn't see any spoilers anywhere...I saw some guesses about Jules (and indeed, long live her glorious rack), but nothing else...
Who is this Cap'n Jack you speak of? Sounds like a dude who enjoys wearing manliner and wants to bone Johnny Depp. No, that's not fair...he would probably want a deep dicking FROM Depp (and to be honest, he is a handsome man if you're into that sort of thing).
Speaking of manliner...Richard Alpert! All the rest of season! Hoo-RAH! -
are the tools of the douche.
This is why we can't have nice things, assholes. -
This is pretty fucking entertaining: http://tinyurl.com/cxgu3w
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I'm with ya, but why then didn't it effect Alpert and the other Others? Why are they excluded from that 'blast radius'?
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the Faraday thing was already spoiled from the other TB. By that LostFagTexas or something.
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Touching. The man has been the lead in 2 series that went for over a 100 epi's. He doin jus fine, mon.
Come soon next year he will be sitting on a beach (in Oregon, breeding Kiger's) and collecting 20%.
...DO NOT FORGET..look for the triperific 'Flash Forward' hidee's. I tell you true..tie in. -
Is Joshua Swaney in this episode??
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I expect this season to come full circle. Anyone remember Faraday was on the island in the past when they were drilling to this infinite power source?
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But there's too much baggage on this show. And you know The Swane always travels +0.
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Yeah, I remember that. He seemed to be quite concerned with Chang seeing his face. Interesting to see how it all works out.
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I'm expecting the whole SHOW to come full circle (I'm with the camp that says when all's said and done, the seasons will somewhat 'mirror' each other)! But that's a good thought, start with the intro into time travel, and bring it back around to not only an explination of things but the ultimate conclusion for that story thread (The Incident, anybody?).
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Cap'n Jack is a man GOD!
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So the show ends with Oceanic Flight 815 landing safely in LA?
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You are taking the Black Pearl to Lostie island, right?
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Hmm, good question that I hadnt considered. 3 possibilities I can think of. The "blast" radius didnt travel out that far and they werent caught in it, or they were caught in it and we just havent seen what happened to them yet, or the writers dropped the ball. Even as Im thinking about it, what about the possibility that the "blast" simply killed them immediately. Charlotte was the first to die from all the jumping around. If that was the case my guess is Richard would likely die immediately as would a number of the other Others who have been on the island for a while, and a majority of the rest may have been killed off like Charlotte one by one. So far we have seen no trace of the Others in the Locke/Ben/Sun time zone. In fact if they were anywhere it would have been at the Temple and the only thing around was Smokie. Just a thought.
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are assholes. I almost want to find out where LostBoyTexass lives and kick his ass Jay and Silent Bob-style after being spoilt in that other talkback. And Cap'n Jack is being a dick for no reason. I've seen him in other talkbacks and he's not always a troll.
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His old handle was MagnoliaFan.
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Just kidding. I heard the "First 100 Days of President Obama Holiday Special" is going to have Ewoks and a very special guest appearance by Susan Bolton.
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I like your theory about them all dying very quickly. It would make sense, being the people on the island that were there for a longer started dropping right away, and if Richard, et al, were there for as long as we think, then they would surely be gone now as well. Well done. I think you are the smartest kid in class today.
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Now wouldn't THAT be a fucking twist? (nah, probably not; just more that the theme of each season reflects on each other...3-4 were dealing with the Others as a real people and the theme of 'escape'; 2-5 dealing with discoveries of the Losties, ie Hatch and the DI itself and the theme of 'duty', ie 'the button' and 'returning to the island'...but still, somewhat of a stretch, I know).
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Something I hadn't even thought of, well done with the logical reasoning sir. One problem...when Locke flashes into 'the future' after Ethan shoots him, Alpert comes out of the jungle fine and dandy. Of course, that would be moot if that 'flash' happened sometime during what we had seen leading up to Ben pushing the FDW; I just got the impression it was sometime during the 'lost' (heh, get it?) 3 years when the O6 were off-island.
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would be "The Variable"
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And if Richard is dead in the future, perhaps this may become the source of the eventual climax of the series. Seems pretty obvious that he is important in some way, and in the Locke/Ben/Sun era Smokie was acting weird (not coming when Ben flushed the magic toilet). Maybe Alperts death is going to be the cause of a big fucking problem.
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I like the idea that someone suggested that Richard Alpert was the captain of the Black Rock.
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Demonstrated what we all knew about the Oceanic Six storyline. If they'd told it in chronological order in the first place it would have all fitted nicely into one forty-two minute episode. Instead of lasting from the season three finale until now....
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Well it would be reasonable to assume that when Ben moved the wheel it was ummmm 2004? (I get the times mixed up, correct me if im wrong) and when John saw Alpert it had to be, timewise, after he met Alpert in the deeper past, when Widmore was still young, but, technically (I really need to go back and rewatch this entire season) Alpert meeting Locke when he was shot could have happened anytime between the time Alpert first met Locke (like 1950s Im guessing) and 2004, when Ben turned the donkey wheel. This is, of course, assuming that Alpert did in fact die when the wheel was first turned. The question is, and perhaps someone else can say better then I can, has Alpert been seen after 2004 when the wheel was first thrown off?
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It already crashed. What's happened has happenned.
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The same asshole who posted the season 3 finale spoilers 2 years ago? Guess he hasn't grown up at all.
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When was the last time we saw Dan anyways? Can any die hard fans refresh my memory??? God I'm so pumped for tonight. LOST is seriously the EXACT opposite of everything Heroes is.
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it should get canceled, how can such a horribly written show stay on TV like that. what a travesty, LOST has lost it and im not gonna watch abc until they throw away the trash. im sticking to FOX coz thats where all the decent shows are right now. of course the only great show that ever existed is stargate but im still waiting for the spin-off to air in the fall so i can finally get the chance again to watch a proper professional show that knows exactly what its doing.
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how much I effing love this show? The handle on continuity has been absolutely amazing, and though there have been a few slips here and there, they have been minor, and, unless I really think about it, more or less unnoticeable.
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You know it's true.
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I'm quite sure you're being facetious, but if you really think they could have actually fit all that info into a forty-two minute episode simply by telling the story in chronological order, you're an idiot.
Last week's episode had 42 minutes of constant, droning voice over. It was basically Behind the Music: LOST. THAT'S how they were able to condense 20 episodes worth of info into one.
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If I remember correctly After Locke was shot and flashed he was in a time before the plane had fallen off the cliff. If I'm right then this is before the donkey wheel.Of course I think the Others being dead is a good theory, but since one of the 'synopsizes' above mention that Locke further solidifies his stance as leader of The Others.
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Actually, the O6 off-island story only actually went 'till '316', when they all came back...plus there was a lot of other stuff in between those flash forwards (and some of them were very truncated). In that way, the 'Lost in 8:15' special feature on the S4 DVD did pretty much sum up S1-3, but it was done in a super-fast, speed-through kind of way. I had thought they'd spend all S5 getting the O6 back to the island...but they got back half-way through! Win -> Us.
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Apr 29, 2009 4:33:09 PM CDT
LOST is something you do to your best friend's girlfriend
by dioxholster
what a disgusting show, every time i try to watch it i fall asleep.
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OMG I love Stargate! The writing is superb, and the onesided characters, combined with the same recycled storyline every week is still fucking awesome even after 10 years! Hey do you think when SGU comes out they'll get captured and escape again while the fate of the galaxy hangs in the balance? Cause thats my favorite storyline of them all. GAWD I cant wait!!!
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Last Daniel sighting was 'LaFleur', when the time-jumping Losties got to '74 Dharmaville. Tonight will be Legen...wait for it...DARY!
david19, I actually can't think of one instance we've seen Alpert definitively in post-2004 time, so there may be some credence to your theory; and yeah, the fixing Locke's leg scene could have easily been within the cofines of the 2004 time period...but I believe it was proceeded by a scene of the other time-jumping Losties trying to figure out 'when' they were, and ended with Daniel saying something like, 'Then we're either in the past...or the future'. That's what led me to think it was post-FDW pushin'. And yes, this show is effing WONDERFUL. -
You speak the truth, sir. Damn straight.
david19. I like you. Ya' got hutzpah, kid. -
what the hell's a 'dioxholster'?
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self-masturbation device? I dunno...never heard of it.
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Peter Coyote narrating. That man could narrate a Two And A Half Men clip show and make it interesting.
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That's your cue.
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This talkback has gotten me to the end of the workday, so it's time to head to the bar and grab a couple beers - then home to watch lost. I'll see you all here bright and early tomorrow morning. Wouldn't want to sign on later and see anything I'd regret.
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Where is it?
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Also good point. Perhaps not all of the Others were killed. A few may have survived the jumps, and if a good majority of them were killed, including Alpert, that could very well be the way Locke cements his position. In fact, what if Locke is Alpert replacement? If Alpert is dead, maybe Locke is the one chosen to take his place?
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A place to keep your diox.Oh and a bonehead also.
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It sounds like a fratboy name for a whore. ie. cumdumpster, meathole, cocksleeve, dickholster. A fitting name, no offense to all of the working girls who frequent this site.Wonder if we're gonna get to see the continuation of Dan's scenes in the cave from the beginning of "Because You Left" via a flashback?
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THANK YOU SLICKDEALS
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Have a pleasant evening, sir; I'll be joining the Beer Express to Lost town soon enough m'self.
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That died and haunts the island? I heard that wasn't a rumor and was true. Oh wait, that was here by Herc, and has had no additional proof that it is true.
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They better have some when I get out of work. I forgot about free KFC on Monday!! Damn!!
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About the Dan-flashbacks; also, there's a guest star cast as 'caretaker'...wonder if we'll go all the way back to 'Confirmed Dead' last season and Dan's weepy moment.
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This episodes going to be awsome!
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the Urban Dictionary, the definition says "lonely sex starved dumbass who lives his life trolling talkbacks, owning noobs in WOW, and watching poorly written uninspired, uninventive television shows. Also see the definition for fans of Xena Warrior Princess and the Star Wars prequels."
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I believe the 31cent deal is nationwide, if you live in the States. It's actually on their website.
Last week Ben & Jerry's was givin away a free scoop...
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I hope that gets resolved as well.
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I like the theory where he's been fucking around with time travel so much that he already knows, subconciously, what is going to happen and all the bad shit that's about to go down, so he starts crying. Conciously, he doesn't know why, but in the back of his head, he knows...
and David19... Xena was fucking sweet. Except for the last few episodes. Damn Asians ruin everything. -
I think I said that last TB! Still, with a 'caretaker' character, maybe we can at least get some more Dan backstory.
McGooCain, I LUURRVE that idea! Maybe the 316ers under Ilana and Bram are the new Losties? Although they do seem to have a more specific purpose on the Island...but I was just talking with a friend today about how another theme of Lost is 'History Repeating Itself' (sometimes metaphorical, ie Ben stealing Alex then S1 Russeau trying to steal Aaron, and more recently literal, ie. the time travel). Maybe even it's a major moral for the story...If we don't learn from History, we're bound to repeat it.
turketron, I'm there. Thanks, brutha. -
has "Arpil" instead of "April"..
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Someone said that Richard had not shown up after 2004, but he did in season. He gave Locke Sawyers folder and convinced him to get James Ford to kill the original Sawyer.
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I think what people were wondering, paburrows, was whether Alpert has been seen anywhere in the timeline after Ben pushed the FDW. When he gave Locke the folder, that was before the Island 'moved' and got skipping through time. The only other time I can think of is when he pulled the bullet out of Locke's leg...but we don't really have a frame of reference for 'when' that was, since we were skipping through time.
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My dear sensitive boy dickhugger has never been the same ever since I told him that his inadequacy is contributed to his biological father.
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Apr 29, 2009 5:38:32 PM CDT
I was going to say when Jack & Kate brought Young Ben to him
by paburrows
but I think that David accounted for that.
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I could've sworn I've typed this before, but maybe I just closed out before I finished.
This theory is very plausible McGooCain and Fain. Locke integrates the new and old Losties into the Others and then it turns out that they've been running things from behind the scenes for a long time now. It would create a predestiny paradox, but that would be damn entertaining still.
It would make you wonder who Ben was flashing that mirror at while Hurley was eating the super old crackers. It would also explain why Ben seems to be way ahead of the game most of the time. -
Didn't Careton and Cuse say we saw smokezill a bunch of times (including in season 1) on camera without realizing we were looking at smokezilla? We know smokey likes to appear as dead relatives in Eko's brother, and Ben's daughter. So I assume all the Christian Shepherd appearances have been smokezilla. Carlton and Cuse also said that no one will ever come back from the dead on the show. So were they lying about Locke, or is he also smokezilla? If he is smokezilla, it would explain why he knew where the temple was.
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I just found out my 20 page paper I haven't even started on that was due next week doesn't have to be turned in until mid summer. Bring on the celebatory lost
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Hey pa, what's with the old-school moniker? Next I'll be looking for PwnedByStallone and Chris Venom! No more spoilers for me - see you all after 10 pm!
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Or was Christian embalmed?
If so... that would lend credence to enderandrew's observation about the dead staying dead and Smokie posing as Locke and Christian.
I swear... if they don't explain wtf Ol' Smokey is before the series is over, I will go on a 12 state killing spree. -
they should rename it and call it
YAWN ....because its so boring. stargate is the standard of quality people, dont be dumb alright. just accept it coz its the truth. the people here that say stargate offers nothing but recycled storylines are morons who cant percieve a show that is highly consistent with its theme to the level of not compromising like every shitty show and going for whats sensational at the time. you guys got used to garbage that anything but will taste sour, not as exciting as garbage. you LOST/BSG fans like garbage because you see yourselves in it...garbage. sorry, but im not one of those people who feels like garbage, i feel i can pilot a F-302 and take down a Ha'tak ship. -
i know who u are and im not impressed. go fuck a pig
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wow 20 pages of your kind of writing should be as boring as LOST.
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tardcore.
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burt reynolds....duh!
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*applause*
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Apr 29, 2009 6:08:41 PM CDT
Guys Guys, can't we all just get along and agree Heroes sucks?
by stormwatcher
I mean really, it does. Remember when it was Heroes vs Lost? Man, the crow being eaten these days. What a junk show. I mean, what junk.
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... just give it a break.
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Darlton has said that they will answer exactly what smokey is in the series finale.
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good to see you! this talkback is ultra-silly this week.must be the (cue in topical subject)swine flu!!
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haha its so random
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Chuck Norris farts.
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haha he's so gay
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usually I would not object but swine flu is rampant
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That doesn't sound kosher. That being said, dioxholster's childish antics do not amuse me.
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I've fucked a cheerleader so I shouldn't watch LOST because of it?
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it was Monkey Fuckin'.
Now we got Swine Flu to worry about. Indeed, no one needs to be fucking pigs right now. AKA Dioxholster's mom.
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mark my words, it wont survive for long as abc is expecting further budget cuts. that means some character will be put to rest and then island volcano erupts as it submerges under water symbolizing the fart in the ocean that is LOST
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You as well; you always manage to make me laugh (and for the cynical ass I am, that's saying something).
God, this is a pretty silly TB so far...I think everyone's just giddy for the awesomeness of tonight. Plus, we never get any serious talk going 'till after the ep and the TB drops off the top 10.
That swine flu. Tastes like smallpox; filling like Captain Tripps. -
by me and my giant kack.
If you don't relax Diox, I will face fuck the retarded out of you.and btw... that doesn't make me gay. That just makes me a deviant. -
but dioxholster is kind of funny in a messed up kind of way. I wonder if dioxholster has even seen an episode of Stargate.
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stargate is my philosophy dude, each episode is my religion. watching it is better than sex for real.
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they should just go lame and give smokey's explanation as an anagram...like S.M.O.K.I.E. stands for Super Madeup On-the-fly Killing Instinct Executioner.bam! take that battlestar/caprica(with the CYLON meaning!)
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fuck me, enough time for baskin robbins???
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almost missed that STAND reference...bravo
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turketron's already there!
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Smokezilla is Xenu, and can use the thetans of dead people to temporarily reincarnate as them.
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i'm sensing some sort of connection between the constant and the variable, judging by the fact that one is opposite from another...hm. haven't deduced anything quite yet.
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if smoke-zilla fought godzilla...but then lost to...yep...you guessed it...CHARLES BARKELEY..(ice cream dementia is offically kicking in..)
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I did a fuck a pig...and then you were born.
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You and the other spoilers. I already knew that one spoiler so no biggie for me, but seriously, you know what I wish? For you to live a long long life and never change. I couldn't imagine a better punishment than to let you continue with whatever pathetic existence you currently wallow in for as long as possibble. Just the thought of it fills me with a warm glow. Oh, and by the way, real pirates take a bullet in the forehead from navy seals. FYI, numbnuts.
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haha they will never be able to explain it. a smoke monster doesnt fit in LOST's world. the explanation i can think of would be invincible beings that through an experiment or some natural phenomena made them lose their forms only to exist as empty vessels, like a teleported human that left behind its original shape.
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suck my dick u worthless piece of garbage.
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Carlton and Cuse have specifically said the episode is a companion episode to The Constant.
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is that smokie is like DEATH,and it's sort of a super-natural entity that kind of removes the trash.For example.lost deals with time-travel alot.And we all know that someof the losties are time-traveling, so maybe he's there to remove those who aren't supposed m to be there ,maybe a to not upset the whole time/space thing(of all the nerve).
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nuff said muchachos!
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hopefully it was a fake, otherwise we're in for a mediocre ride tonight.
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are why i stopped watching lost. its too silly and no way will they be able to explain it for the people who are looking for a serious explanation.
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that is all
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Duh. He's a nanonbot terminator that came back in time and is imprisonend on the island because he can't cross water. He was created to rid the world of 'bad' people but probably decided to kill everyone because, let's face it, people suck. Either that or he's an alien. But save all that monster/spirit/god/djinn horseradish. It just doesn't jive with the scientific nature of the show.
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And now not even a big spoiler alert, so fucking unprofessional, FUCKING AMATEURS
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You stopped watching LOST because the smoke was silly, and started watching Stargate!? BAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA
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...that Richard Alpert episode? I know the information is there, I just don't feel like looking.
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Little mister, I've had it up to here with that kind of language! And you know full well I don't suck your dick on Lost Wednesdays!
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Thank God.
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His persistence and staying in character for such a long time is amazing, if this is for a dare it's time for your friends to pay up
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Its a really easy mistake, I still do it, but its Damon Lindelhoff & Carlton Cuse or Lindelhoff & Cuse. Not that its a big deal or anything. I also remember them saying that.
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That would explain the flayed pilot, how something that looks like smoke is actually able to grab shit and why it sounds the way it does.
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I do believe they said the season finale is an Richard Alpert episode.
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A lot of people have been guessing it is a cloud of tiny metal nanobots for some time, but supposedly the producers shot down that theory.
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Sharp ones. The kind in the little magnetic mustache man thing some folks played with as a kid.
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We have a spoiler which may or may not be true (but I think it was posted by the same person who was accurately ruining the season 3 finale and being a douche), and guesses for Sayid and Daniel. Any more speculation before the episode airs?
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has said that the smoke monster is not nanobots.
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Again, the smoke monster is Xenu, reclaiming thetans from the recently deceased. The Lost finale will show how in the future, we will be just like in Battlefield Earth.
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Also said there was no TIME TRAVEL. Look it up. The scary part is that they also said, in the same sentence, that there were no aliens.
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That would be just the snap-kick to the cock that I've been mentally preparing myself for. I forsee an insultingly bizarre FINAL EXPLAINATION at the end of this series, something that will at once explain and invalidate everything we've seen.
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must've missed that ender. ah well. this will be one of the greats regardless. mark my words. and less than a half hour to wait. freaking excellent.
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seems this TB is rotten from the roots. Troll flu will finally get me avoid lost TB till season finale if it can't be confined.
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your mind is gonna GET BENT
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Point me to a quote where they said there would be no time travel. They hid small tidbits hinting at time travel very early on, such as when Sayid picked up 1940's music on the radio.
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I think this site even linked to an article, where they answered 10 questions from the fans (really amazing questions like, why use title cards for "three years in the future"). They talk about the 100th episode, and The Constant there. The article also had a picture of a special cake the "Ace of Cakes" guys made the 100th episode that was actually pretty nifty.
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It wasn't that article. I must have read it somewhere else.
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heres the quote: “We’re still trying to be … firmly ensconced in the world of science fact. I don’t think we’ve shown anything on the show yet … that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and … things being in a place where they probably shouldn’t be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn’t any time travel.” — Damon Lindelof
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blahblahblahblahblah. Bring on Lost!
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he's whats lying in the shadow of the statue :p
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That quote is from an interview halfway through season 1. They admit that initially they only planned a series ending at that point, and they didn't plan much beyond episode 13. They said at that point, they didn't even know what was in the hatch, and they filled in most of those details and the main story arch of the show as they were finishing season 1. I believe by the end of season 1, you see Sayid with the radio picking up radio stations from the 40s.
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I'm at work and won't be able to watch it for another 2 hours. So I'm dropping off the TB for fear of spoilers.
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Sounds about right.
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Search me.
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totally bugged me out for the opening titles. and wtf? why is the cloverfield monster chasing kirk?
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looked a little terrible. Like phantom menace, always a bigger fish bad.
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That was, like, a hundred years ago. Well, won't be wasting my money on this one.
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AND MORE TREES! This show is off the hook!!!
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Not really!:)
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That was all, almost, too much.
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That was all, almost, too much.
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...someone bad news I'm going to follow it up with...oooh...did i mention that I'm from the future.
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I didn't mean to blow my wad 22 seconds in, but baby, I'm from the future.
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Daniel is the Doc Brown of LOST? Does that make Jack, Marty McFly?
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OFF THE HOOK!!
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The clip, not so much. But I guess anything featuring Quinto is forbidden.
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Didnt someone post alink to a page where you can watch it streaming somewhere?
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Oh NO! I feel nussin...
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Become Jesus Christ Superstar?
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Its just as rediculous as any other religious/supernatural belief, no difference except that it was created this century by an old guy and not 2,000 years ago.
Perhaps 2,000 years ago or so those that believed in religions other than Christianity said the same things about Christianity as we now say about Scientology, well before they were burnt at the stake, stoned, crucified etc.
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From now on everyone has "Mommy" Issues. Especially dioxholster...
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oooh shit i'm totally sorry that I just fucked your dog, but guess what...good news....IM FROM THE FUTURE!!
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That's ok, I'm from the future.
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The Sub is really a time machine, bet your ass.
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LOL at Sawyer.
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with the commercial breaks. feels like there's been 8 and its only a half hour in. liked the title screen into star trek. not liking the cliffhangers before each commercial break that have yet to be answered. its like up to 4 now. ANSWER SHIT.
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...thats alright, he's from the future.
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twitchy might be the best sawyer nickname in a long while.
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The Guys are all dressed in Dharma Jumpsuits and working and Kate and Juliet are in casual clothes and home baking cookies. :P
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and his mom, Witchy.
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Hurley always gets a laugh out of me.
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is my Brother from an Other Mother.
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And she didn't stop him from working for Widmore because I guess she knows that it's the way it's supposed to happen.
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...but good news, I'm from the future!
...actually, that would be good news for Chang, since Faraday happens to know that Chang survives the "Incident". THAT could be a fun talk. "Blow it up, man. You'll be okay." -
Gunfight at the DHARMA Motor Pool! Why is everyone now trained in police firearms?
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...to have barrels of gasoline nearby whenever you want to make a quick escape. Worst cliche ever, but incredibly hilarious.
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apart from the super cool shootout, this episode has been disappointing...to me at least. nothing really of value yet. some small things, but nothing huge like is expected from an end of season faraday ep.
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...back to the island...
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so barrels of fuel shouldn't be a surprise.
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I really hope Faraday starts spilling secrets because so far "my Mom is a hostile" isn't exactly an "island secret".
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to Lil' Charlotte. ;^)
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Straight up hottie.
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I guess they would know each other since they are both hostiles, had to think about it, guys! Who the fuck created Dharma? Bet it's someone we've alrady seeen.
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are the skeletons in the cave
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Just taking it easy in Dharmaville.
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BINGO! Desmond - you asshole!!
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YOU KIN DO IT!!!
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OMG so their goal is to literally obliterate every episode of Lost? And if they fail then we get to see a bunch of losers crying at the end of the next season??
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I showed up late and when I turned on the tv, a scene with a young child was just ending... I assume it was a young Faraday?
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My buddy was talking while Faraday was talking. What did he say about how he's going to stop the incident?
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Missed it...
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What did Dan just say? It sounded like gibberish, but he's so whispery all the time it could've been normal English that I couldn't decipher.
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turns Daniel into "The Smoke Monster".
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He's gonna detonate a hydrogen bomb.
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What's the deal with these "What Do You See" commercials? Are they related to Lost somehow?
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"i'm gonna detonate a hydrogen bomb."
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Daniel is making the argument that the past IS the past, but it's set by the choices you make. they are in the past in a real time situation, they are living in it so they CAN change it...maybe. So, if they make changes, it still is what always happened, because they stiil have free will, even in the past.
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Yeah he's gonna blow up Jughead.
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Jughead is what lies in the shadow of the statue.
a little Doc Jensen logic that now makes perfect sense now. cause that cult with Sayid's capturer is going to get rid of Jughead and stop Faraday from doing what he plans...or something to that effect. -
Damn, did this show turn into a fucking science test?
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Luke and Leia Widmore
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Dan Widmore
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Desmond failed to push button --> Losties crashed, begin season 1. Now Faraday says they can stop hatch from existing ---> Desmond doesn't fail to push button --> Losties don't crash ---> We have been watching stuff that never happened ---> begin bitchfest.
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IS Widmore Locke"s father???
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Worst mom ever.
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I am stunned! she killed her own damn son. Special place in hell for that one!
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were Right?
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Nooooooooo? Sad
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they're gonna try to change it. *whistles and walks away*
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Man I missed Dan.
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You kill off Faraday but leaving fucking Kate alive?! Goddamn it, Lost. You fucked up. You fucked up big time.
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I think I read that they would start promoting the show "Flash Forward" during LOST. Maybe that was it.
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http://www.themosaiccollective.com/
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Your Mom and Dad are assholes.
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everyone, including me, made a bunch of theories on how faraday is gonna do all this...only to find that he won't do it at all.
damn man. i thought something tragic might happen to him, judging by her being like "i had to send him back there knowing..." or something to that effect when talking with widmore.
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...and studying at Oxford, and Daniel *still* doesn't have a trace of a British accent?
Of course, I had a friend in high school w/ British parents. He spoke with an American accent almost all of the time... except when he was around his parents, which is when the British accent came out. -
Can't decide if I dig it or not...
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She sacrificed her only son...will he be coming back?
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Really is too soon, why does IMDB say it's ep 96 not 100? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1378944/
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I like it and so do a bunch of friends of mine, but unfortunately those rare people with Nielsen boxes don't seem to be watching it. Better off Ted and Unusuals should come back in the fall but we'll probably get more reality tv instead.
As to Lost tonight, it wasn't a bad episode but was pretty boring. The woman who plays Eloise is the opposite of riveting. -
That Eloise will find out about the plan to change things, and her whole gamble is that if they CAN change the past, her son will never go near that fucking island. Still, wouldn't they just be creating another timeline?
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Why every time a character is injured at the end of every show does everyone except me assume they are dead? Daniel is not dead.
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It isn't great but it is surprisingly better than I thought it would be. A lot of field shoots are involved. It's not tied down to a studio so much like other cop shows, so it is more interesting.
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being dead....im gonna bkinda pissed....he's a great character
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I guess being ageless and all makes you forget things. Interesting how Alpert always seems loathe to kill someone, but its the Leaders, Charles, Ben, Ellie, who seem the most bloodthirsty, the ones more willing to shoot first ask questions later. Its like he's always disappointed in whom he helped anoint Leader of the Others.
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say "Anyone of us can Die" isn't Ironic. It's just Stoopid. Maybe he told Lil' Charlotte to make sure neither one of them goes to the Island just in case this happened?
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By going off-Island and cheating on Ellie!
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Maybe the were hinting that Locke was Widmore's son, lol, have to reel my own damn self in sometimes! I assume they are saying Daniel is his son, or is that just a trick?
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time after time. a great show.
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to explain THIS with his Linear Theory of Time Travel. "For the First Time in a Long Time I Don't Know What's Going to Happen..." - Eloise Hawking.
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How many more "secret relative" reveals do we have to endure
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which means Faraday is really dead unless she means sacrifice as in "shooting her son". Probably means "killing", don't you think?
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We know he warned Chang about the Purge in the Comi-Con video. That had to have happened later.
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when Claire was pregnant.
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faraday will turn out to be wrong...he wanted to be able to change things, so he tricked himself...jack will try to blow up the hydrogen bomb, fail, and in the process cause the incident that necessitates the button...basically, jack will cause the crash of 815 by trying to fix things...so far we've seen sayid turn ben into the evil guy we know, so my theory ties in well with this i think
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holy shit, you're right. I totally forgot about that, but, yeah, daniel was behind the camera, and he definitely hasn't shot that yet. Good call!
Thank God, too, man. I didn't know if I was gonna be okay watching a faraday-less lost for a whole 'nother season. -
You could see Daniel buying it in the last 10 minutes and I was getting pissed. Only thing I didn't see was mom pulling the trigger.
And Richard DID recognize him... he said something about knowing him... right before BOOM!
I guess the powers that be want to focus on the originals for the final season. but I'm sure he's back at some point in some way... all ghosts are... -
Do we know for certain that is Daniel in the background of that video? Cause he couldn't have warned him yet.
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Holy shit, that was the lamest promo imaginable. It was predictable from the start, for anyone who has seen any of the trailers that feature the big monster popping out of the snow. Okay, we see little monster charging 'Lil Kirk. Unless you're a) a moron or b) haven't seen even one of the trailers, you know 'Lil Monster isn't the one that threatens 'Lil Kirk. Ergo, as in The Phantom Menace (NOT the best model to base a new movie on), Big Monster is gonna eat 'Lil Monster that threatens 'Lil Kirk. Oh, the thrill of it. And what does 'Lil Kirk do through all this? Run. And go "ahhhh". "Ahhhh." Now that thar is some writin'. Is that going to be this generation's "KAHNNNNNNNN"? "Ahhhhhhhhhh"? Oh, how far we have fallen. Fail.
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my friend literally just texted me and reminded me of that. that almost definitely puts me at ease that faraday is not completely dead. he needs to make that video.
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...and will all happen agin.
Figures since we are all Cylons anyway....
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The temple, I'd assume. Richard will work his voodoo.
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So you're saying the best thing they could've done was lay low and do nothing. And every action the take, it just fits right in with what caused there situation in the first place. They should've just stayed out of history's way in order to really try and change things, perhaps?
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Now that was an amazing episode.
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Any one get that web address, right over my head?
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The only site I've found was http://www.themosaiccollective.com/
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Richard didn't say he recognized him, he asked him "Do I know you?" in response to Daniel seemingly knowing *him*.
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Should be amazing if/when it happens.
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Somewhere, or some time, between Dan and Miles driving out to the Orchid...Dan's Dharmasuit went from fashionable evening black..to all purpose Grey. Left Dharmaville..Black..arrive Orchid..Grey. Just seemed oddly metaphorically odd.
Hello, McFly!?!..Doc Dan has already always been in the loop. It is why Desmond sees CLAIRE getting on a helicopter...At least we learned why Dan did not remember Desmond.
"The future, always so clear to me, has become like a black highway at night. We were in uncharted territory now... making up history as we went along." -
Faraday recognized him, and I think Alpert took that as a clue that "maybe I *do* know this guy," but with a gun pointed at his face, he couldn't make the connection in time.
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Yes, I thought it was more like "don't I know you" as he was getting everyone to stand down...
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I see that as the 3rd last episode, or 2nd leading into a 2 Hour Finale with little flashes "anywhere"...
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Geez Daniel... why did you feel the need to go in waving a gun around like that? I hope he didn't die but that look on his face was pretty blank at the end. Ms. Hawking... you're as cooold as ice!
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...dans jumpsuit changing color was on purpose and the result of history being changed by the new interactions by the losties?
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Is it?
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I loved the FPS fuel barrel scene.When Radzinski and his boys were stormin through the village, all I could think of was Here come the men in black...
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When he left.... did what he "do" actually cause that change?? Could it have been as little as calling Miles out to dad?? hmmmm.
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...and later on we'll see much larger changes. Maybe they just wanted to start off with something small to get people going.
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who says that when he warned Richard of the purge it wasn't when they were jumping through time? If you remember early in this episode, we already saw the scene of him going down in a hard-hat. So that fact w/ the fact that the writers have admitted to making continuity mistakes makes me think Daniel could easily be dead... hope not!! ...but why would his Mom say that about sacrifice?
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And a new Lost mindfucks you even more after not watching it for 2 weeks... Great great episode...
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http://tinyurl.com/cqcdzq If you're a fan, we'd love to have ya!
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"I don't know mother..some industrialist..a Widmore.. I think..Charles Widmore."
A Widmore...'A' Widmore..as in 'one' of a larger set..as in the Widmore's are a family known and of some means..hmmmmm.
"Pentheus, wishing to prevent or stop these riotous proceedings, was persuaded by a disguised Dionysus to go himself to Cithaeron, but was torn to pieces there by his own mother Agave, who in her frenzy believed him to be a wild beast..Agave was exiled from Thebes and fled to Illyria to marry King Lycotherses, and then killed him in order to gain the city for her father Cadmus."
I suppose I should infer such grandiosity from such a tragedy as Eloise murdering Dan. But all I conjured at the moment was memories of how disturbed I was when Angelica Houston (Lily) killed John Cusack (Roy)..shudder..brrrr.Alaska! -
is still alive or about... but the helmeted one we saw in flashbacks months ago probably goes back to tonight EP... and it ends there. Can't see how they ressurrect him unless they jump forward before their jumb back back... so to speak :)
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Ooh, very interesting about the color change in the jumpsuit. With this show, it's so goddamn hard to figure out whether something was intentional or just a production error, though.
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Sorry if this has already been said, but I just want to motorboat those big fat milkbags.
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in my head while watching the show.
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And he's sent back to KILL HIMSELF!!
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almost made me think she was buying the farm tonight.... buy the farm & get the milk for free... :)
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I miss the doggie.
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And why she was faking crazy and sending Desmond around the world on a boat, and pretending to be on the plane??? With all the manipulation to make predestiny, this is about where we should be getting answers on her. Oh, and the theory about Jack causing the incident thus causing the crash is right on.
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I think clapperific33 has the best theory I've seen so far. But even if that does happen, the cliffhanger for the end of this season must relate to something unexpected. We already know the incident is going to happen. While Jack and crew causing it to happen would be interesting, I don't think it'd be big enough to close the season with.
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with each season... The LOST island can truly do some amazing things...
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Apr 29, 2009 10:37:03 PM CDT
It's okay, Faraday will just regenerate into a new incarnation
by spyguy
After all, the dude's a Time Lord, right? Well, he sure SEEMS like one...
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BEEN THERE!
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Darlton and Cuse recently stated that there will be no closure on Libby. Whether that proves to be true or not is another question, but they don't appear to care all that much.
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Thinking Will Smith or Frank Black?
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how "Young" versions of Kate, Sawyer, Juliet, Tom (Friendly?) and Rachel (?) figure into the season finale.
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Apr 29, 2009 11:00:58 PM CDT
New teeth. Right... that's weird... So, where were we, then?
by starwarsredux
Ah, yes! Barcelona!
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Putting episode synopses up on the main page? Screw you. Now you give everyone a free pass for posting spoilers ya jerk. I'd rather NOT know that there are young versions of favorite characters in the finale. #@$%it I'm fucking pissed. I can't blame cymbalta4thedevil for posting what he just did, since Herc already did it, but I avoided that shit bc I didn't want to be spoiled. I just want to chat LOST. Fuck.
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Will these be flashbacks or will those 3 leave in the submarine and encounter their younger selves in 1977?
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...from now until next wednesday and hopefully you'll forget everything. THERES NO TIME TO WASTE!!!
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There's a spoiler tag on the link. It's hard to see, but it's there. You can just speed past all the Herc shit and get to the talkback, but we'll spoil it too. Maybe go plant some tomatoes.
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I suspect Daniel is not dead, partly because the show is bordering on matching it's fake out death cliffhanger count with it's real death cliffhanger count, and also because he's been credited in the season as a regular. How long has he had credit as a regular? The character was introduced in season 4, I can't recall if he had regular credit or that just started this season. IF he was just killed off, he hasn't been on screen enough to be a regular.
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And do some experiments into temporal physics... I can forget it all...
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...I think you might just have a chance.
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So...Eloise is the only one who can get the 0-6 back where they belong? How exactly can SHE do anything? The Dharma folk have all the access to the whiz bang technology...not the Hostiles! She just sits around in a tent all day cleaning her rifle. What did Dan plan on saying to her? "Hey, Mom...Ya gotta start crunchin some serious time/space continuum numbers and help me get these 815 folks safely back to LA".
Did Eloise have secret access to a flux capacitor? Does the temple have a special time travel thingy? What was Dan hoping she could do about it?
Or was Dan just merely a pawn in the "variable" scheme? Ya wonder what would have happened had that gunfight gone the other way...what if Dan had shot Eloise? Would he have just disappeared right before everyone's eyes?
Also...Nice plan there, Sawyer...Leave the front door open for Radzinsky to find your little hostage. Brilliant. So glad Jack just found his "purpose" again. -
Went into the camp with a gun. Wouldn't it have been much smarter to go in unarmed?
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Then I've got access to lots of medicinal marijuana if that first idea fails...
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I figured since Herc posted the cast list for the next two episodes that ABC themselves released that that was open ground for conversation / speculation. I don't like Spoilers either.
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Well, not to be all geneticky and euginicky imperative and such..but, well, Dan..natural born child of Charles and Ellie? Just do not see it. Physically or figuratively or mathematically or historically. Ponder this:
Probability of two Blue eyed (recessive) humans producing a Brown eyed (dominant) boy=0.01%
Probability of two mid-major minor characters producing the pivot point of the series=0.02%
Probability of two, as witnessed gifted but not 'genius', humans producing some such intellect as Dan's James Clerk Maxwellian thing=0.03%
Probability of two humans in this time line producing Oxford's youngest PhD; Doc Dan=0.04%
Ruth Lawrence was 17 in 1989 when she read her DPhil in Math at Oxford..Sooo, Dan would have to be 17 and less days or 16-ish..and based on his encounter with Dez in 1996 (already at the podium and instructing)..about 18-19 when they met. Also, assume, at the youngest Eloise was only 13 when Dan met her in 1954..that makes her 46 in 1977..Jussssst a bit outside the prime birthing years. Dan in this tale would have to be borned, as sue chen said..all babies want to be borned..borned in about 1978. So...Suppose...just as Aaron was to be 'adopted' by a couple in LA..Perhaps, and just maybe, maybe Dan is Charles and Ellie's 'adopted' son. Someone might have and must have had to ..give him up.
hmmmm...
Helllllllooooo...Jack and Kate's one night tryst before the flight to the Heart of Darkness!
Yeah, that's right. I typed it. Daniel Faraday is Kate and Jack's child. Blue eyes and Hazel eyes can make brown eyes (bad poetics). Jack is a world class mind beget from world class minds (note: neurosurgeons, yep that is where the way smart docs go and Kate is smarter than she seems..c'mon..go with me here) And, to mention..can yee not appreciate the symmetry of Ma an Da marching out into the jungle with their as yet unborn child..who is about to be killed by the folk they gave him up to
He must not be raised by an other!
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People have been posting spoilers the past couple of talkbacks and I've been able to avoid them most of the time. But when Herc posts them in the story, yeah he pretty much invites everyone to continue it. So, like I said, I can't blame you. Now lostboy, from last week, yeah I can blame him for being an ass.
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I didn't read the synopsis!! Faaaah Laaahh Laaahhh Laaah!! Not listening to you guys!!!
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i'm spent.
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...Little Kid Macfaux, but you're special man, you reached out, and you touched a brother's heart.
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The Others have the Temple and the frozen donkey wheel and Jacob! Screw DHARMA tech!
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storm the others camp like a maniac? That was alittle ridiculous..
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Great episode. Got right to the emotion of the show and it's characters. Must watch again before delving in too deep.
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Dan went stomping in like a bull in a china shop...but did you notice WHAT gun he had? THE LUGER!!
Plus, "Do you have something for beginners?" HA! Poking fun at itself that everyone seems to know how to use firearms. Priceless! -
That's so crazy...it just might work. But then again, I think that about nearly every one of your theories. They make me think more than the show sometimes...
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Thank you, mi amiga, beaucoup de dankas. Had I touched ya lower..I am quite certain there would have been a killin.
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I am a bit drunk so I could be making mountains out of molehills, but it looked like the same weapon that Ben and then Juliet used earlier, sometime 'round S3? Because it struck me as strange that the Others, out of any weapon, would have a luger just lying around (then again, why do the DI have one just lying around is another question). Just thought it was a 'wink' to the appearance of that particular gun and how it got into the Others/Hostiles hands.
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he seems to be the only one who knows what going to happen, so there gonna take him to be healed and hes going to be the man behind the curtain making sure everything that happens happens....boom
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... I completely understand what you're saying, that was just a quote from jay and silent bob strikes back that for some reason popped in my head and always makes me laugh.
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Sawyer gets all the girls before him
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I kind of assumed that he thought he could convince her to help him rig Jughead to blow up the Swan. Therefore 815 would never crash and the Losties would all go home.
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Gotcha. See, I said I was a little drunk! :)
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Exactly.
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For some reason...Juliet..has always been sporting the Luger. Most specifically at Mr Tom Friendly before Sawyer blew him away...awesome.Jay and Silenty Booby..American classicality. yep!
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Maybe Im the drunk one.
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if Daniel WASN'T dead, but was simply Catatonic because he's time travelling internally like Desmond? Remember when Daniel said Desmond was catatonic for 45 min and he had to help him to a chair? What if this traumatic event activated a latent ability that he shares with his Mother? "If Something goes Wrong, Desmond Hume is my Constant." Daniel seemed way too important to the story to die this way. On the other hand, they have a habit of whacking people right when they start to mean something to one of the original 815 characters. Jack trying to figure out Daniel's Journal is going to be Interesting...
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She's been the one toting the 'Whatever Happened, Happened' banner since 'Flashes Before Your Eyes'. Plus, she was talking to Charles about 'sacrifice'. AND the scene where she was visibly upset when stopping li'l Daniel from playing the piano? Bet that was shortly after what's happening 'now' for us in '77; she knew what was going to happen to him.
PS: My above post was for DrBrian...but I now realize you were talking to MacFaux. Again. Drunk. -
He's too cool of a character, and if he does die, having it happen as an episode ends sort of robs it of its emotional resonance.
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...ooh well, at least we can all agree that this was a great episode and sleep is in our near future.
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of his talk with Lil' Charlotte. That has to come into play at some point.
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The infamous "video" was either taken before Daniel went away on the submarine (there's a lot we didn't see), or it's another continuity error. Daniel is dead. The man got too far into his own equations... Ann Arbor did little more than drive him slowly insane.
Jack and some of the other survivors are going to buy Daniel's hare-brained scheme at face value. Faraday's theory really makes very little sense if you think about it.
Why are the electromagnetic emmisions at the Swan site "30,000" times more powerful than at the Orchid? They aren't. They BECAME that powerful after a hydrogen bomb was detonated at the site, causing "the incident" and causing the chain reaction of events.
Jack wants to "erase" the crash and everything that came after -- which makes Jack a pretty sad character, that he would want to press the reset button, even after all the life-changing events he has lived through -- but by attempting to stop the incident, he will actually cause it.
End of season. Help can only come from the future, from Desmond (or Locke). -
How it should end: Jack, on the plane, chugs his double Vodka and Ice, glances out his window to the NorthWest (do the Nav)..and sees what appears to be a mushroom cloud on the horizon...Boom.
How it will end: Jack, on the beach, flexin his unexplained bloodied knuckles in his 'othery' white shirt and sayin...well you already know what he says.
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Allegedly, according to an extra:
Her main scene was when Locke and one of the "others" get into a huge fight over leadership of the group. Alpert is on the sidelines. She described their system of leadership as a shared power structure and never just one central leader which kind of contradicts Ben's role in previous seasons. She said there are a lot of the others who we have never seen before and they are very high up in the hierarchy and reside in and around in and around areas of the island we have never seen before including and mainly the temple. Her role in this scene was to wipe the wounds of the injured man. Apparently Locke takes on this guy and kicks his ass.
She said their is a truly insane plot twist that occurs in the 2nd half of the season finale involving the temple. This twist involves a group of people walking out of the temple. They cleared the set of all the extras. They removed a ton of the crew members and she was told this scene was off the daily shooting sheet for non-principle actors and crew. She totally got the lowdown on the scene but they did not want the extras to see what they were doing.
The make-up department was working overtime and had been working in the three separate trailers for over 6 hours.
She witnessed Daniel Dae Kim exit his trailer and watched as he was quickly ushered to the temple set. Here's the insane part. Daniel Dae Kim was dressed like a 70 year old man. He was aged with make-up and had a medium lentgh white beard.
She missed several other actors who had already been taken to set. But everyone on the set was talking about it. Three or four of them main actors were all made up to long like older versions of themselves. In the days to follow the only details on the scene that leaked out of the crew was that a group of people who we know very well walk out of the temple in 2007 and she believes they speak to Locke. These people are central to the hierarchy of the others in 2007 and the temple is a place where they have hid out for a very long time unable to leave for fear of messing with the islands history. But I guess something happens so they can leave the temple.
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I'm relatively new to AICN and I'm a little vague on this. Some people don't want to know ANYTHING in advance and some people just don't want to know endings and plot twists. For example: it doesn't bother me to know that Rose and Bernard are back for the Finale. It would bother me if I knew in advance that one or both of them was going to die. Or that they somehow wound up in different time periods. Or that they ended up being the bodies in the caves etc. etc.My question is: if we "know" someone is going to die in the finale but don't know who: should we even speculate? One of us is bound to be right. If we really did know in advance that would be spoiling. Or are there some people who think even the rumor of a death in itself is a Spoiler?
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Having been some what drunk with the Debartolos at Remington Park in the 90's..I can say with some certainty..they never liked you lad..not one bit.
I was down Mississippi a bit back Brett farve and Troy aikman were takin turns givin each other rides on a skee-doo and in the pauses of extreme gayness..they were laughin at your bigger gayness..not that theres a thing wrong with that..I mean it is no weirder than bein mormonish..ah, dangit!
"Why are the electromagnetic emmisions at the Swan site "30,000" times more powerful than at the Orchid?"..wow
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... because you see so many things written by informed and uninformed people that its only in retrospect that it ends up seeming like a spoiler. The fun of it is watching the episode unfold. Just using this episode as an example someone said earlier that daniel was going to die, but throughout the episode i was never once thinking about daniel and his impending doom. It wasn't until after the shock of seeing him dead that I remembered that someone had said that daniel was going to die. Nowadays were bombarded with so much information, when the episode is actually playing i think we tend to be just passively along for the ride and then once its over we begin the analyzation. Thats how it is for me at least.
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Triple D mother fuckers !
Anyway becuase we know that dan's told kate and jack the plan i bet they implement the plan and then they will set everything in motion so dan does infact solve the problem.
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Or as soon as I see "Allegedly, according to an extra..." is that enough to know I should stop reading? I wouldn't put it past the LOST crew to film multiple alternate endings just to throw people off. They already did it last year. Desmond and Sawyer were also filmed in the coffin.
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wallygogo is an assholio of the first order.
To punt that such up with out a 'SPOILER' hey ho in the post title...a heads up to those folk catchin the ball..is well just childy douchey in the first degree. no argument to be had. Just a large order of Janice. But, hey, the kid craves attention and let us all commiserate in that sad state of station. Tragic. -
Glad I stepped out for a bit. Remember...you can't stop a spoiler douche...you can only hope to contain him.
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My LINEAR time travel theory was proved once again in this episode. Daniel...and his lack of a future scar. Right from the horse's mouth...yes?
Obviously...Eloise was shocked to see it was her son. But she couldn't have remembered shooting Daniel in the past...because it hadn't happened yet. The only way she could KNOW about shooting Daniel...was if Daniel lived...came back to the present and told her.
THEREFOR, Daniel cannot be dead. Eloise said herself that she doesn't know what's next...and yet we are to believe that she engineered his life so she could off him? Not likely.
A - Daniel is born on the island
B - Daniel arrives on the sub
C - Daniel is shot by Eloise
D - Widmore sends Daniel to the island
E - RESCUE!
F - 1977 all over again
The actual events take place as: ADEFBC (LINEAR time travel)
If Daniel is dead, Eloise is clueless about it...which means that this is the limit of her knowledge of the future. Therefor, Daniel never leaves the island...however...had he died that day, Eloise would have damn well knew it in the present day...because she shot him.
It's always mind-numbing to try and explain this stuff. But if I can just help ONE geek to understand LINEAR time travel per day...I can teach LINEAR time travel to well over 354 geeks this year.
Now check out my blog: LINEARtimetravelisnowpatented@jabba.com
Jabba OUT!
P.S. Apologize in advance Cheif. And for those who are still confused...move it along...nothing to see here... -
how the hell would Eloise and Widmore know that Faraday would die on the island when it never happened originally to them in the past?...it only happened in the new version of the past that just occured...this stuff is really getting confusing now
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Either it didn't matter that the electromagnetic readings were so much higher, or the measurements were taken after the hydrogen explosion (Faraday made many measurements on the island when he first arrived from the freighter). Either way, Faraday's toast, and won't live to see it.
Stupid spoilers. I would have preferred not to know the end of the season, but more than a few douches have blitzkrieged forums with these spoilers already in the past month or so. The producers just couldn't keep a lid on it this season, and it's a shame. -
I want to give you a "there is no spoon" moment.
There is no "original" timeline. Repeat that with me: There is no "original" timeline.
I know that results in a paradox, but embrace the paradox. The paradox is your friend. -
I remember reading his "Daniel dies" spoiler up in the beginning and thinking, "That's a fucking lie. No way". I completely put that out of my mind, thankfully, while watching the episode and DID NOT SEE IT COMING. If I didn't have such a busy day at work, I might have remembered, so fuck you Cap'n Jack. May your life continue to be as utterly miserable as it is now. Besides that, great ep.
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Seriously, how fucking great was that acting from Jeremy Davies? The range he went through.. the crying, his angst, his frustration. The scene at his piano, the scene with Charlotte. Man, that was great.
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"I know that results in a paradox, but embrace the paradox. The paradox is your friend."
My friend forget my a priori insulting..you are some such all right. As Wooderson said, "All right, All right , All right!" -
Any thoughts?
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There is no linear time travel. If we look at timespace like how Hawking, Kip Thorne and other have proposed it to be, then time occupies space (another dimension). Meaning that time works like space, just like how Los Angeles and New York exist at the same "time", Faraday dying and Faraday being born happens at the same "time". Linear time travel doesn't work in timespace theory. So we know Dan and gang are "unstuck" in timespace, so they can die in their relative present time and still affect the events of the future even though they might be at the end of that (confusing i know). I've posted this here before, but give it a read: http://tinyurl.com/d3fghs
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They once said a black man would become President... First 100 days, and BAM!!! Swine flu.
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Probably the same reason why Desmond woke up remembering Faraday talking to him in the hatch. Delayed memory?
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Because "whatever happened, happened". Again, don't think of time is linear, but think of it as a huge space with different things all mapped out happening simultaneously at the same time. Dan wasn't changing anything, he was always meant to do that. He thought he can change things, but he can't.
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I'm glad to see others also think it was idiotic to have Jack, Kate and Faraday go to the others camp with guns drawn. They all know that the others outnumber them and would win a gunfight, but Kate and Faraday have both seen that Richard's pretty reasonable and nonviolent unless threatened. So why the hell not just walk up shouting "hey Richard, we need to talk"? That was one of the stupidest scenes in a while.
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Daniel was doing time travel experiments on himself. After the catastrophe with Theresa, his relationship with time - much like with Desmond, only not quite so extreme - caused him to sense events outside of linear time. This is what affected his "memory".
Daniel cries not because he's sad about a plane crash, but because it reminds him about 815, its survivors, the freighter, the island, Charlotte, and the other future events.
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Cap'n Jack is quite well known..this 'quality'..among the folk that matter, is well and proper understood. Believe me when I tell ya..Cap'n Jack is a verry verrrrry bitter wee..well, motherchoad would be too strong..a dictionary definition of envy would be a better explanation. Sad. Some folk must live through their inability to achieve.
And, oui, it is a thunderously silent reckoning that waits them..Cap'n..hmmmm. snicker..this tool dating the fool at the bar in the resort is not smiling..ever...okay. Remember that..It is empty sadness that whips Cap's horse.just sayin.. -
We saw Charlotte say that she's not allowed chocolate before dinner. Didn't the girl Desmond saw in the catatonic time-traveling consciousness state who we now see is Daniels girlfriend/research asst. say the same thing, or am I thinking of Charlotte when she died?
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... The way you frame thoughts is like what it must be like to hear aliens communicate...and it might just be that i'm sleepy, but it's like you're speaking some kind of strange variation of english. By the way i'm trying to compliment your uniqueness in your ability to confound.
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Apr 30, 2009 1:52:37 AM CDT
@Steve Young..yep...full circle..Steve Bono says youse puff..
by macfaux
Bill Walsh warned George Seifert about ya..sadly he did not listen.
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It was Charlotte when she died.
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Everything that is happening, and will happen, happens. Daniel's talk about 'the variables'? That happened...and I think he's wrong. But in a...roundabout sort of way. Jack is going to try to carry out Dan's Plan, as shown in the trailer. What they're neglecting to realize is that THAT is what 'The Incident' most likely will be, and by trying to 'change the past' (to their point of view, being from the future), they will create it. Because they already have (again, from their point of view). Or, when Sayid shot li'l Ben, he doesn't die...because he didn't; and when Jack has the opportunity he refuses to save him, saying 'whatever happened, happened'...but in the end, he's taken to the Others and 'healed' through Othernation in the Temple. Again, WHAT ALREADY HAPPENED.
To put it simply, The House (aka Time) always wins. Because it is how it is and nothing can 'go back' and change it...because it had already happened...I'm skipping again ('well, you can't make a record if you- can't make a record if you- can't make a record).
When Oceanic 815 crashed on this island in, what, 2004? All these events that we are seeing happening 'now' in '77, had already happened. If they had happened in a different way, then a different set of circumstances would have been set up for our Losties. If they somehow could do something differently from the set circumstances set up when 815 crashed, or heaven forbid, STOP 815 from crashing, then that means the events would never be set in motion to create said 'change', meaning the circumstances WOULD be the same and 815 would land, which would mean they could change it, ad naseum, etc. This is what's called a 'paradox', and nature abhors a paradox (or is that a vacuum? Either way, Ma Nature gets PISSED OFF). I'm now dreading the phrase 'fork in the outlet', and it's implications; because the only outcomes of a paradox I can think of, is either the events implode on themselves turning the Island (and probably Earth itself) into a black hole, or the very fabric of space/time would unravel like a spool of twine. Again, either way, bad news. -
as fas as Daniel's 'memory' problems I assumed that it was due to him not having a constant at that time...after performing experiments on himself and Theresa his mind/memory becaame screwed up because he did not yet have Desmond as his Constant...at least that's my theory
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Dolphins!..when you spend this that much time under the sea...shhhh...don't tell..but it is the Dolphin conspiracy we all must battle...
Motherchoad! -
GONE!
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Much respect brutha (I love a man who sticks to his guns, despite them being NUMBERS OF DEATH! TM and copyright Jabbaworks), but I disagree with you on one major point.
Daniel could (and most likely) IS dead. The reason being...Eloise had knowledge of this death, and knowingly set Dan on a course throughout his life, that would lead him to go to that Island, and get shot by her. Because she already did it. Because it had already happened. We're SEEING it happen now, and through the eyes of 'time travelers' from our present, but these events had already occured. Otherwise, why would she have been so upset talking to him in all the flashbacks tonight (especially when li'l Dan's playing the piano...because she had most likely just shot him, very recently). She knew what was going to happen to HIM...because it had already happened to HER. All in efforts to feed the hungry animal that is 'causality'. -
BEDTIME!
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So Im wondering when we get the Desmond flashback from the end of "The Constant" about how and why Desmond became Faraday's constant and why. Is it just because Desmond visited him at school or something more?
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So when exactly does this moment occur?
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is coming back on any more episodes of LOST. Massive suck, no? When was the Comic-con video made with Chang where Faraday and Chang are pleading with someone from the future to reconstitute Dharma and change the past? How did Daniel learn his mother is basically a liar and shouldn't be trusted to the point that he's sure she misled Jack and Kate and he needs a gun in case he bumps into her? At what point in Daniel's life did he add the entry "Desmond Hume will be my constant"? Why was Daniel crying at the 815 crash? As to this last one, I read 2 theories from people above, and one just had zero evidence from the existing LOST episodes, and the other one (paburrows) didn't make any sense.. delayed memory? He wouldn't have any memory of anything to do with the island/815 at that point in 2004. It hadn't happened to him yet. The Desmond delayed-memory was from a past event that was changed. Faraday hadn't been to the island yet in 2004, his present. When he was crying was his present.
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Delayed Memory makes no sense. The whole reason people are getting behind it is because of the Faraday/Desmond island scene, then he wakes up on the boat and "remembers" something from his past.Yes. But guess what? That's all it is. He just remembered it.If delayed memory were true, and Daniel changed something so Desmond's memories are "resetting", then WHY DOES IT RESET AT THAT MOMENT???? Other than the fact that it's a TV show, and the writers chose for him to remember / for the scene to take place at that particular time, there is NO LOGICAL REASON within the lame "delayed memory theory" for the memories to be "uploaded" at that time.As in...why didn't they upload before we went to bed? Or a week ago? Or two days later? Other than the show CUTTING TO THAT MOMENT, there is no inherent causality. PLEASE...PLEASE I BEG YOU...STOP THE RETARDED DELAYED MEMORY THEORY!!!!!!
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Bummer to make your exit after "your" episode. Does the casting director like goofy-looking kids, or is that the only kind they have in Hawaii? Charlie Hume didn't inherit his parents' good looks.With all the "young --" in the finale, is next season going to be Lost Babies?
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with this ep, was such a filler. Daniel was suppose to come clean about what he knows... And he knows shit!!! He came clean about my ass,we all already fucking knew all that stuff. What's the fuck. It's easy for showrunners makes us believe they can blow our minds by revealing so-called mysteries. It seems they actually taking us for dumbs! Shit I love the show but I fear writers have reached the limits of their own creation, I fear the next episodes will disappoint me. Shit we had to wait two weeks for thatt!! Frankly I'm sad, I dunno, I'll stick around for your theories, it may helps me get back on track...
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just bore me as hell. It seems the cast started to overact...
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no confirmation Daniel is dead, since the writers are doing lazy and easy, I think we'll see in next ep that in fact he's been healed, first course correction waow, great!
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But I respect your opinion.
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but maybe it was because I had too many expectations for that episode...Just forgot it wasn't the finale.
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Yea..I think everything they're doing is ultimately causing everything that happens to them on the island in the future...I think Faraday either wants to save Charlotte so desperately that he did some faulty math to prove that he could chang things, or he's goading Jack into causing the incident, because that's what is supposed to happen
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the 'voice' we hear off screen, to me, sounded a lot more like Jack not Daniel.
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You need to listen with better ears than that
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...we learned no new information whatsoever. LOST was just spinning its wheels last night.
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was that it was over sold. "The explosive 100th episode. Sides will be chosen...blah blah blah." If it had been packaged as just another Lost episode, I don't think it would have been as disappointing. As it was, though, I (and I expect all the other fans who were disappointed)was expecting some new revelation or some action. I'll admit, Dan's death was a bit of a shock (even though I should have seen it coming from a mile away)but the idea of Eloise Hawking being so stuck to having things be the way they should that she would sacrifice her own son was really interesting. At least we know what the course of the rest of the season will be. Also, I have a theory as to what's going on with the island, the Others, etc. Previously, there had been a civilization on the island (or it was part of a civilization)and they built the temple, the giant statue. For whatever reason, they died out, except for Alpert. Now, as each of the souls of those people is reborn, the person is drawn to the island. I thought this could explain why Lapidus and Faraday both cried when they thought flight 815 had crashed (unless an explanation was already given and I missed it)since they were unconsciously mourning the deaths of their brothers and sisters. Kind o' silly, I know. Just thought it fit with a lot of what happens. Also, I think Faraday just WANTED to believe he could change things which actually helped him solidify the past by crying with Charlotte, dying and ultimately causing the incident.
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Or that Widmore is Dan's father and therefore Penny's half-brother at a minimum? Also, Dan connects the dots of how things went down and this is "pure filler"? Whatever.
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Faraday's mind is scrambled when he's watching the TV coverage of the fake-815 crash. He doesn't know why he's in mourning, but it's because he subconsciously knows that his life's work was for nothing, since it didn't prevent the 815 crash.
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I like LOST. I have since since the beginning. But I swear, tonight's episode really did feel like crap filler and, as others have noted, it didn't live up AT ALL to the dramatic promos about sides being chosen and getting more answers and whatever else. Right now I swear I couldn't even begin to say what the fuck this show is about anymore since it seems (to me) to be going all over the place.There's one more season to go? Fine. It's still enjoyable enough to watch it through to the end. But the bullshit hype that geeks were throwing around about this being "The Greatest TV Show Ever" has long since evaporated. Now the show really does feel like people just running around for the sake of running around.
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...knew about it. Widmore is Dan's father, knew about it. Where is the new info? this episode moved the story ahead about an inch. Dan was supposed to reveal all he knew about the island. didn't happen. why was he crying at the plane footage? who knows...they had opportunities for reveals, and dropped the ball on all of them. as per usual, the only interesting stuff happened in the last 5 minutes.
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Reading through these comments is rather stunning. I can't believe this many feebs have stuck with watching this show. The number of posts saying "This doesn't make sense!" "You didn't give us this answer!" or just "I don't understand this simple idea!" prove just how much you mongoloids need to be spoon-fed answers to be able to understand something. Now I know why I go to Lost forums on website with users who aren't 9/10 flailing morons.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/campetin?blend=1&ob=4
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She was the daughter of the Prince Family Paper company. She looks about 8-10, so just how far back are these flashbacks going?
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Nice thought on why he was crying watching the footage. I buy it.
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...he's his brother-in-law. Daniel & Penny are siblings. Or at least half-siblings.
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...had the Chang and Faraday underground scene? Was it this season's premier? I can't remember...
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I think we'll learn that things have been changing in the past.
Desmond said Claire and Aaron would be on a helicopter. That doesn't seem likely because the boy isn't even on the Island and it doesn't seem as if he will return.
Secondly, before she died, Charlotte said a crazy man told her to leave the Island and never come back. Last night, Dan didn't tell her to never come back (unless he whispered it to her when the camera pulled back).
Third, and this is a big one, Hurley said Luke found out Vader was his dad and THEN got his hand cut off. Everyone seems to have written this off as a mistake but come on! This show and the writers wear their geek badges proudly and it seems this would have never made into the shooting script if it wasn't intended. -
Jack waves Daniels theory about destroying the Swan around to the Losties, and our Back to the Future loving friend Hurley buys into it in a second. Jack doesn't have the balls to do it, because he's to selfish to take his own life, leading Hurley to do it. The Incident. Just a theory, but from previous conversations on the show, Hurley believes in Doc Brown's theory of time travel, and will think he is doing the right thing.
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That theory I posted it retarded. Redacted!
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A few years ago, me and about 20 of my friends had "our way " with Cap'n Jack's mother. There were many devices used and while she begged for more I somehow have always felt guilty about this. But now with her son spoiling an episode of my favorite show I feel like we're even. Thank yoou Cap'n.
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She orchestrated everything to make Daniel a physics genius, gave him a journal to jot down everything, so when she kills him, she'll get the information about the future (AND the physics of the island). It's all about the NOTEBOOK.
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Dead Daniel is 2004 Daniel. Doesn't mean 2003 or previous Daniel doesn't make the same trip.
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With all of his time travel experiments and such, who is too say that he can't show up at some later point in the series?
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Anyone else a little creeped out when he said that? Foreshadowing anyone? Daniel's story is not done. I refuse to believe it! There has to be more to his experiments and time travel memory loss.
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Those calling that episode filler, do you just want 40 minutes of exposition?
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I bet they use this new fangled time travel malarkey to make a character his own father....Maybe it's Richard and that's why he lives forever but can't participate in the Others' kill your father and become the leader bullshit. It would be "suicide", and he couldn't kill himself because he might not be born for another hundred years and that would be a paradox. After he was born he could kill himself though. My money's on Jack however. Maybe Kate's his mother and they give little Jack up for adoption and Jack never knows he's his own Daddy. Greek Tragedy gave us the Oedipus complex and the Electra complex. Lost needs to introduce the Frozen Donkey Wheel complex in which you want to kill yourself when you realise you slept with your own mother and became your own father.
Maybe the "fork" in the outlet is Daniel's hydrogen bomb plan works and creates two time lines. Maybe this always happened too. The final season could have "flashbacks" to the alternate time line showing what became of the "survivors" after Oceanic 815 landed safely in Los Angeles. Meanwhile their 1977 selves also remain on the island rather than flashing out of existence. Makes no sense but so what.
Could Daniel and Desmond become connected to Ilana and Bram in 2004? Bram visited Miles, would he have visited Daniel as well? Could Desmond try and correct the time travel absurdities?
Is there a remote possibility the Oceanic 6 flash forwards actually showed us two different time lines? The immediate aftermath of being rescued from the island, which will be wiped out when 815 lands safely? And then the six with residual memories working with Ben to get Locke back to the island on 316? Ben and Locke would be outside time along with Desmond thanks to the donkeywheel. After detonating the hyrdogen bomb Jack and Kate will remember 815 getting to Los Angeles (admittedly this doesn't make much sense), but then they came to the island on 316 anyway, some sort of course correction, and flashed back to 1977. Christian flashed out of 815 to return to the island even when it didn't crash, but this left him ghost like because he was in a different time stream. Maybe that's what the whispers are all about. So anyway I doubt this is the way it's going to go, but why not have 815 land safely in Los Angeles and do those flashes in season six, showing what might have been, but also do the island mythology story too. I know this doesn't work because of references to plane crashes in the 2007 scenes, but hey, maybe the two realities will sort of merge, like we've seen with Desmond and Charlotte etc. -
Maybe some people have just been spoiled this season. There have been very few, IF ANY, bad episodes. The producers and writers are firing on all cylinders.
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That makes so much sense and kind of explains how she knew as much as she did. Young Eloise didn't look like a scientific mind to come up with sort of answers Old Eloise does. She wanted her son to figure it all out and there is something about babies born on island [maybe Daniel too was] that almost ensures a prodigal child.
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i cant believe u guys still watch lost. wow i feel sorry for ya all. ill be watching stargate, a much much much cooler show.
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Faraday may not be dead. But his mom fully believes he IS killed by her gun. It doesn't mean he actually dies for good, just that Eloise thinks that's how his life ends. In the present timeline, Eloise still thinks that's how Daniel is killed.
Daniel could be taken to the temple and saved by Richard and the Island. Who knows what happens next? I don't care if he is indeed dead, but I'm just betting against it.
Like k00m0, I too believed Daniel cried after seeing the plane crash because he did have memories of what happened, just like Desmond developed a new memory after Faraday spoke with him in the past. However, Daniel may not have been able to understand WHY he was crying because during that scene/time period, his experiments had severely altered his memory and he genuinely couldn't remember.
Finally, an interesting question I had was when Eloise gave Daniel his leather-bound book. How do we know that it wasn't already filled with his equations? What if she still had it from 1977 after she shot him (something we haven't seen), and because of Daniel telling her he was her son, and her subsequent discovery of his book...she becomes the expert on finding the Island through his equations!
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Can or cannot change the past?
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You ruined the episode for yourselves, masterminds. Unless you were just speculating beforehand and were proven right, there was no way you had actual confirmation about Dan's father or the button's purpose unless you read spoilers online or watched the actual episode.
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That's exactly the point I liked about WerePlatypus' theory... that Eloise knows all that she does from Daniel's diary.
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Good thinking WerePlatypus, we think alike! Your post wasn't there when I started typing, so I'm sending you a shout-out now! Cheers...
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If that was his present, then she would never have gotten the book and known anything about the physics of the island until 2004 daniel travelled back to 1973 - 77 period and he got shot and the book was then taken by her. Right?
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when he told his mother that Daniel "WAS" also his son outside the hospital. Then she slapped him, I guess, for reminding her that she played a part on his death.
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Apr 30, 2009 10:28:35 AM CDT
No, MacFaux, I don't know what Jack will be saying at the end
by d.vader
What are you implying?
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but they sold that episode as major mysteries revealer, or we essentially get confirmations : Hawking's Faraday's mother, the incident led the DI to push a button every 108 minutes, Widmore as Daniel's father (without spoiler reading you could at least guess it). But nothing really important on Theresa, neither about what Faraday learned in Portland neither much news on island properties. Clearly I have the feeling Daniel was offed BEFORE he spoke important things. My take is that was made on purpose, because 1) Daniel will show up again soon and 2) so that we will receive the two last ep as a huge slap in the face. At least I wouldn't be surprise if writers were trying to "manipulate" the audience. I can't find another explanation. But for me there is obviously a gap between how they sold the episode and what it really is. IMO.
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thats what u get when watching lost. balls are round, brains are not
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If it makes you feel better saying that, so have fun.
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If it give you your kicks from insulting specially challenged people go for it. But please know that my cousin is specially challenged, and he understands Lost better than I do. Stargate on the other hand, he can't watch a second of Stargate. Thinks it is to mundane and retarded... his words, not mine.
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Jack and Kate decide to lead Daniel to the Hostiles, while the rest decide to stay in Dharmaville, or run to the beach once they're caught. How that division plays out remains to be seen.
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Lost like Heroes is a muddle fo revision and replotting. Season one offered suggestions direction and hints.
Season two created characters the writers had NO IDEA how to use. So damn near all, except a single minor one, were killed off.
Downhill since then plot wise.
Sure great drama. But drama that has strayed so far from the original intent it is unrecognizable.
These last two seasons have been badly pasted together explanations not of where it started but what was forced to be created due to overall lack of vision.
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The one from Comic-Con or wherever, when Chang says that he's talking to people from the future and the voice is clearly that of Faraday? Unless it was recorded during some missing time last night, it seems like a big continuity fuck up
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While I'll staunchly argue against the 'filler' label (I think LOADS of shit happened in this episode!), I do agree with you they pulled a li'l bit of bait 'n switch with the advertising, touting this as Daniel 'coming clean' about the island (Fringe did the same thing for the last episode, calling it the 'biggest secret' yet, and then ending up being a WAAH-waah reveal they'd been hinting at since the pilot).
In the end, though, I think Dan HAS told us everything that he knows about the Island itself...which turns out to be jack squat. He knows about relitavistic causality, and he already gave us the layman's lowdown on that in the first or second episode this season.
I'm also thinking next episode is going to have some more WTF? moments but still be tugging us gently along without major MAJOR reveals...but that finale. That's what's gonna' hit us upside the head with monkeywrench of 'answers'. -
i also know a mentally challenged person who cant watch stargate, he says its not actiony enough. too much talk.
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Why don't you let us blind crack-addicts among ourselves, and take your pack somewhere else.
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That'd be a sick name for a death metal band. Who said that?
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a 100%
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What the fuck does that even mean? Seriously, will he never be "special" because he is incapable of that?
Is it Downs Syndrome? Low IQ? Brain Damage?
Personally I understand retards to be otherwise regular people who refuse to think.
But now you got me thinking that Retards may want to take that back. That it is ok for retards to call other retards retarded but "normal" people using it are ability supremacist.
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That's ABC's advertising department, which has consistently fucked things up by either spoiling important revelations in the promos or by hyping up the wrong things.
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Thick glasses, clothes in disarray, and screaming punk while stomping around stage.
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Problems, he has a few. Called him mentally retarted once, family threw a fit. Guess I never questioned why. "ability supremacist" - that is great.
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exactly, they just hint at possible plotlines and change their minds later. wtf?
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i used to like to bully retards with a couple of friends. i once with the gang waited for this mentally challenged kid to come past us and we grabbed him, lifted him up together so we can crush his balls onto the pole. we held his legs and ran towards the metal pole man until it hit his betweens. haha, those were the days. he didnt cry though, he never did.
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1) that you have to log in and log out and log in as multiple users..ya know Herc can see your IP? yeah? ya do know that losery la douche
and...
B) dioxholster, Cap'n Jack, Executor, Spermmdawg, et al..to spends at least a few hours of yourse life...shinin happy and doin a failed bit about theys queefy need to get an under age fella in the shower..I mean..I say..I type..so much sadness. In your conscious LOST posters.. have you, in your entire life, ever..EVER..seen anything so such sad as these middle aged kids...dixholder really?..that is your clever? really?..cheese and fries..what kind of sad silly is this kid carrying around? Ya really need some more attention cause some daycare fool molested ya? very weeeeepy and more so creeeepy.it makes you cry that such a potential cat abusing future serial killer must, hast to, canna help itself.. but and for posting in a forum it disagrees with...it puts on the lotion or it gets the hose again..Diox..does it get uncomfortable to constantly live ya life doin the 'tuck' for ya camera?...
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you dont sound happy
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diox - i have no more words.
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In the hopes that they were a variable that would somehow be able to save Faraday. It would explain why Eloise was so blase toward Desmond when he came in shouting "Daniel Faraday needs your help!" and her reply was "But I am helping!" Maybe she thinks that's going to change it all.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/Dioxholster
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She should somehow be worked into every scene of every episode. So yummy.
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mmmmmmm....attention....precious craves it....nom nom nom....
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u have to live life by the balls, remember, everything is salvageable.
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Any thoughts on how they will all reunite again in the present? I would think it has to happen soon to move us towards the endgame in season 6... but what does the incident have to do with moving foward in time?
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"Personally I understand retards to be otherwise regular people who refuse to think."..wow
WOW!...you are just all kindsa of backward and dumfook douchey..I bet you voted for Ron Paul..sigh. You actually think..or rather imagine..dream and pretend yourself smart-ish? don't ya? Oh my sweet and dear fluffy Lord..it is volk like you that allows things like death camps and such to happen..Oh my dear Buddha..you make the world dumber and more evil for drawin breath.
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Apr 30, 2009 11:26:45 AM CDT
sorry everyone, that one was on me... I apologize.
by hot_ham_water_fan
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Apr 30, 2009 11:26:47 AM CDT
sorry everyone, that one was on me... I apologize.
by hot_ham_water_fan
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This episode was a real brain-fryer on a few levels. I loved it, sure. But I think some that was due to the old "hide the ball" trick frequently employed by LOST. First and foremost, what the hell did Faraday learn in Ann Arbor with the Dharma Institute? I was really bummed we had no Hanso flashback/interaction. I hope this Hanso Foundation/Dharma Initiative - who is the mastermind behind this project is a HUGE reveal at some point. THAT is what I was waiting for. Please? We have got a ton of stuff to reveal in the 20 hours left on the show and if these guys write it off as a who cares I'll be a little disappointed. Why was Faraday crying about the Oceanic plane? Did he ever have any interaction with anyone besides Desmond or the Island ever "before" this point? And was that a Desmond conscious "dream"? How did he get a picture of the new Dharama crew so quickly? How was Eloise Hawking in Desmond's conscious "dream"?
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because ABC tricked you into thinking the episode was going to be a revelation. The writers write the episode, then the advertising douchebags at the network try to decide the best way to put your ass in the seat. Ad men were duplicitous to their customers in order to secure income. Welcome to capitalism.
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retards like being retarded, they like the privileges too, they like it easy. i remember this retard that got away with grabbing and humping a girl in church.
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all of NASA claim to watch stargate only and star trek but they also like stargate. and not lost or bsg
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all of the unanswered questions. The four toed statue. Libby in the mental institution. They need to do a full season next year, not a shortened one. Otherwise, my guess is that there will be a lot of loose ends.
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it seems to me YOU like being retarded. Why?
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Yeah, what's the point.
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Another fact that supports your theory: in Season 1, in the episode where Jack swims out to save Boone and allows another survivor die, Charlie is overheard murmering "I can't swim...I can't swim." Then, in the finale for Season 3, Charlie proudly declares that he was a world class swimmer in his youth (or words to that effect) and swims down to the underwater station. That's always bothered me a bit...but if your theory is correct, then it would explain that contradiction. The present, and those in it, are constantly changing due to the actions of those in the past.
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u have no idea what im capable of. i rule ur world man. your life is my game
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u have no idea what im capable of. i rule ur world man. your life is my game
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Is it just me, or does this guy seriously need to be taken down a peg or two. He must have been the kid in the Dharma classroom that couldn't read the Hieroglyphs, and now has to compensate in other ways. And, where was Horace last night? Some pretty big stuff was going down and he was nowhere to be seen!
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is deep in your throat, dear diox
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...what happens to everyone in the "present"? What happens to the Losties we've been following for the whole series?
They're NOT going to just disappear Back to the Future style.
They're NOT going to phase/warp into their "past selves", sitting on 815 as it lands safely in LA with no knowledge of the last 5 seasons.
So what WILL happen to them if they actually prevent Flight 815 from crashing with their "past selves" on board? There doesn't seem like any erally good reason to try to stop it. It doesn't "get" them anything.
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Good point. I had missed that.
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Then it falls in line with other changes: Sayid's lines to Ben at the Marina, at first talking to him and Jack: "If I see either of you again, it'll be extremely unpleasant for all of us," to "if I see YOU again, it'll be extremely unpleasant for the BOTH of US." I chalked it up to writers having leeway with a scene to focus on what's important at the moment. Or maybe just Sayid remembering it incorrectly (which throws every single flashback's validity into question). But what if it *is* evidence of things changing slightly? That they are already making things different and altering the timeline? Jeff Jensen threw up the idea, not me. I just tied Faraday's color-changing jumpsuit into the mix.
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...you are a fucking loser. I was always giving you the benefit of the doubt and thought you were just an immature teenager, but now HA HA.
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cannot be changed. Once you start changing the past then consequences carry less weight. As much as I would like to see Charlie come back to life, it would also cheapen his death.
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I'll have to rewatch it, but wasn't there a scene in Dharmaville with Daniel running and pulling on the top half of a brown jumpsuit like he was changing?
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Just can't. They stop everything from ever happening then it becomes a time paradox - it means they would have never been in the position to stop everything from happening in the first place. It's impossible.
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"retards like being retarded, they like the privileges too, they like it easy. i remember this retard that got away with grabbing and humping a girl in church."...hmmmph.
Nothin but class..you are nothin but class and smart, wee lad, ya are one in a million...
You... You pay the bills
for this quirky quaint internet you are makin a fool of youse self on? Does that cost money every time
you're on, like for minutes on the phone? Yeah? Is Grandma still
payin' per minute? Is she gettin kind of pissed at ya sometimes cause your dumb is on there so long and grosssly, ridiculously obvious?
Does it bother your sociopathic cat killin child porn surfin conscious that ..KIP DYNAMITE..flippin KIP DYNAMITE...a fookin fictional character..is so much smarter an well adjusted than ya? inanity insanity..fargin icehole! Whats sad is..You will double do more evil before some close cropped bad haired State Trooper double taps your chesty area...Ami Stewart sings her awesome song..back then ..in spite and in spite of ya self.
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...when its late at night and hes turned off his computer and he realizes that for the rest of his life he's going to be nothing but a +0.
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DrBrian. You made me spit out my coffee.
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He had finally embraced Desmond's flash that he was going to swim down to the Looking Glass, die, and save his friends. He embraced it, but Jack didn't think it was a good idea. So in order to sell Jack on the idea, he fibbed about being a world-class swimmer. And him saying "I can't swim," was most likely just fear taking over and him being unwilling to go out and rescue someone.
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Apr 30, 2009 12:05:16 PM CDT
But wait a sec, how did Faraday know when the Incident occurs?
by d.vader
How did he have knowledge of that future event without being exposed to DHARMA knowledge in 2004? Or was he? Did Widmore have access to files explaining the Incident and therefore Faraday knew the exact moment it occurred? Or was it from time-hopping? I hope we get to see the answer to that... maybe some experiments in Ann Arbor...
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I have become accustomed to Doc J stealin me thunder and theories...go forth and look back..every drunken supposition I have thrown up..shows up..on that silly sick site. You'd think that we was one an the same..hmmmph.
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Sure it was over hyped, but when have the ABC advertising people not overhyped Lost. They do the same thing with Housewives, Greys Lobotomy and other shows on the station. (Im forced to watch when my wife is watching) It was the hundreth episode so they probably felt they needed to overhype it.
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that's what I was hoping to see last night.
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Exactly. Paradox. It's a fucking bitch. That's why I'm so very nervous about the phrase 'fork in the outlet' being this finale's 'frozen donkey wheel', and I've got a sneaky suspicion it has something to do with Hurley and whatever the hell's in this guitar case.
I said earlier (in an overly rambling post) that the only outcome of a paradox I can come up with is either the Island (and Earth itself and most of the surrounding solar system) folds in on itself creating a black hole, or time/space falls apart like a rotting head of lettuce. Sooo...not good. -
"Right on time," he says. Curious. If that sorta thing was in his notebook, then I'd think everything of the past 3 years would have been in there too. There's more to this, I think. He can't be dead bc there's too much more to explain.
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We saw on the Freighter that Keamy had an entire folder with info on the Orchid. I think it stands to reason that Widmore had extensive knowledge of what happened on the Island (also, since we know he was there until after the Purge), especially in regards to the DI...since I think we'll find out soon HE was the one who either funded them or granted them access to the Island in the first place.
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it's weird that Shepard Faraday and Austen could have reach the others camp so easily, without being intercepted, like Swayer and Kate few days ago while bringing Ben to richard.
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Apr 30, 2009 12:15:48 PM CDT
Adding to what D.Vader said and going a different direction
by paburrows
What if Daniel did change his jumpsuit or whatever D.Vader was talking about and somehow slipped on a bulletproof vest? Kind of like how McFly did with the iron plate in Back To The Future 3? That all goes out the window though if they didn't have Bulletproof vests back then though. If so nicely tell me so and we'll move on.
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Then next season really WOULD be the Zombie Season bc those who are dead would now be alive!
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Please get someone else to run coxaial.
First off, here is why Joss Whedon suks balls; (for those that don't know) .
Buffy the whore slayer - Wow, when I found out that geeks liked this show, I was fucking absolutely amazed. It's a show for fucking tweens for fucksake! WHen I first saw buffy, I was like wtf I'm not a pre pubescent girl why the fuck am I watching this ghey fucking shit! Get Joss's fucking balls of your chin Herc!!!
The douche variety hour (ANGEL) - Now we have the successor to Buffy, Angel. Basically a show for the tweens who are now teens. Still a show for chicks. Men shouldn't be watching this shit, pussies!!! Are you a 15 yo girl? Fucking douche bag fucks.
Fagfly - Good cast/acting/effects. SHITTY WRITING.
Doucherenity - See above comments. Also, Revers are fucking stupid. Fuck! Fuck u Joss! Fuck u Herc! Fuck! Fuckers!
Faghouse - MAde Eliza Dushku a Doucheku. Great going Herc! Fucking peiece of shit!
Lost - May as well be written by Joss Whedon. -
I like the idea...but Ellie shot him in the back. And the would went all the way through his front. So even if he WAS wearing one, it didn't work so good. RIP, Dan Farady.
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What if Jacob shows up and heal him?
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In the Lost talkback? Well at least your opinions are articulate and well thought out reasons why you don't like the shows. Your tolerance for the tastes of others not lining up with your own are fully mature. I for one congratulate you. Thank you MegaBaltar, thank you for not sounding like you are just another loud mouthed, thoughtless little boy.
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MegaBaltar5000, do you know what TB you're in? 'Cause it seemed like you were looking for someone to agree with you.
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Hurley was packing it for the trip to the beach. Either he's still expecting to see Charlie again, or there's something else in there...
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And they accidentally bumped into Hostiles.
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He just needs an iron-furnace door! And when did you get your old name back/why are you using it?
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....nobody calls me yellow belly and gets away with it!!!
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He was testing Ellie to see if the future would happen the way he expected it to.
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Last week in the showrunners talkback I got piled on by some trolls so I thought that I'd "go back" to the old name so as not to be a magnet for that. Plus I made a big mistake in regards to confirming the faraday death spoiler that lostexas was blabbing about. So I figured it would be a good chance to start over new so to speak.
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Why are you trashing Lost in order to promote Stargate? Are you that insecure about your own interests? Grow up.
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killed by some nasty trolls, came back like john locke!
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are so alone and lacks of recognition so their last weapon is pissing people off. It's sad, I almost have sympathy for them...
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I wonder how long ago the statue crumbled? Could the Jughead being detonated have destroyed it? Just because we haven't seen it standing in '77 (yet), doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Yeah I ditched that showrunners TB after that spoiler BS happened. I might ditch out of this TB and the next one for the same reasons.
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at least
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Based on the fact that we've seen a lot of statue mentions/sightings this year, I think they'll at least answer that unanswered question
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From what I heard those ads were for Flash Forward which is supposed to be the new Lost.
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I didn't say it was a 'bad' episode. It was entertaining. But entertaining filler none the less. I didn't read any spoilers, but the reveals in this episode were all things that were guessed or known already. The story is in the same place now as it was before, except for the last five minutes, when Daniel told Jack that he believed that things could be changed. The first 55 minutes were spinning wheels. Do they--or you--really think that hearing that the swan station kept a large energy source at bay by having a button pressed over and over is any kind of new information? That has been said many times.
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Faraday's plan is doomed to fail, no?
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Why you have to be so rude. Nobody's attacking you.
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Revelations are still confirmations, but we've had so many theories and hints that of course many of them will be expected for some. That does NOT mean its a bad episode or filler. And even though this is a serialized show, they still have to throw bones to the elderly or the slow or the fans who started watching AFTER Season 3. That's why you have reminders in dialogue about what the Hatch is. Your criticisms are weak, old man.
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...I was rolling my eyes when Faraday said that he forgot about the variable, it's us. Well, duh!!! And he's suppose to be a genius? I was never comfortable with the idea that they can interact with the past, but can't change it.
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i haven't checked the schedule, they aren't going to pull any shenanigans in the next two weeks are they? no more clip shows or any two hour episodes of the unusuals?
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Like my dad. He has no real experience or knowledge of the Hatch and has to be reminded of what it did.
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it's the final run!
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explained so much about the relationship between Eloise, Widmore, Faraday, Penny & Desmond. Not everything was spelled out, but you could read a lot of history into the way that the characters acted. Eloise & Widmore being the biggest cases. Now Im curious as to what Penny & Faraday's family relationship is. Widmore is the Father of both of them, but who is Penny's Mom. Eloise or that non-Other that Widmore got kicked off the island for? Im guessing the later?
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Completely agree re: Hurley's guitarcase. The man carries it around like a lifeline...it could have Charlies' guitar in there...but I have a hunch that it's something else. Perhaps something that Charlie asked him to bring back to the island which would be of use later on...and I'm curious as to whether they'll show us how/why Hurley boarded Ajira 316 in the first place...it doesn't seem so based on the synopses of the remaining episodes...
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Actually there will be a clip show, but it will run right before the finale. So new week we get a regular episode and then the following week three hours worth of Lost goodness. Then nothing til January.
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That's been stated. Widdy had Penny with a non-Other. Which is why the relationship bt Ellie and Charles probably became strained.
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maybe this finale will be like Season 1's finale where we get whole bunch ofpeoples falshbacks? One of Hurley returning, one of Sun returning, maybe one of Frank getting to the plane and then some others that Im not going to talk about because that would be saying to much.
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Maybe Charlie told Hurley He could save him and how to proceed.
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Another reason WHY I think these shortened seasons are a bad idea, in a sense. I'd much rather have a flashback to why Hurley got on 316 (Charlie told him to?) and some more misadventures in DHARMAland rather than wait to see his reasons next season. Though maybe that will be a terrific episode, who knows. We got Kate and Sayid and Ben's backstory before getting on 316. When will we see Hurley's?
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i'm thinking finale, especially if...
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he's majorly envolved in the incident. (sorry, hit enter too soon)
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Suck it.
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and the ARMY KNIFE that michelle rodriguez discovered in season 2 was always a reminder of the army people (widmore,etc. from the 1950's 0who we saw this season...along with hydrogen bomb.The REAL questions is HOW did THEY get there? MAROONED during the war???
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Given that Hawking was adamant that everyone who left the island had to return, I'm hopeful it will be revealed that she meant everyone since Season 1 and not just the Oceanic Six. I'd love to see Desmond, Walt, Aaron and even Ji Yeon magically appear on the island through some happenstance in the finale...doesn't look like it from the advance credits, though...
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Captain, always a pleasure to see you
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are those rescue rangers figures starting to look enticing. Where's monteray jack? or is he the black sheep uncle of the disney afternoon now?
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I can HEAR the accent in my head thanks to the way he writes. Hilarious.
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...thats what i've been trying to figure out too. Its like music its so beautiful.
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as i am reading the talkback, rush "freewill" started playing on my ipod...
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If this show subscribes to Daniel's new theory and allows people to change the past, it'll pretty much ruin the whole thing for me. It's a stupid, stupid idea in general and an even worse one for a fictional narrative. What they've been doing has been cool, but I'm starting to wonder where they're going with all this. Funny, because early on when people were squawking about the writers making it up as they went along, I couldn't have cared less ... now that it's a matter of a record that they have a "plan", I'm starting to get a sinking feeling. Ironic.This may all just be a BSG hangover, who knows.
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lol love "blow the swan" sounds like a bad bestiality porn vid
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I have this feeling everyone will get killed. Vincent will be the sole survivor.
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now all we needs is pwned by stallone and were back to the start again..... its like dropping a nuc into somekind of energy mass...
really good episode... I think Dan was going to kill himself to save everyone else in the first place but this is still a dam good ep.. Radinszky is a twat, has to be said, glad his head ends up all over the hatch roof.....twat..
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Seriously, can we get his viewpoint during all the time traveling? Perhaps he sees Locke get shot, sees the Island's early natives- SOMETHING interesting and revealing all at once? Damnit, I feel like they owe us just ONE extra episode devoted solely to Vincent.
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What if this pig flu kills us before we get to see how Lost ends?I have an urge to eat a BLT.
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i hear next weeks ep is all about alpert maybe well finally find out what makes him immortal the could be a hundred for crying out loud
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Apr 30, 2009 3:51:25 PM CDT
Best Lost recap site to get a detailed plot description, please.
by flip63hole
I've given up 2 months ago. This is where come to read the weekly Lost discussions but I need a good plot summary...
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And his memory goes all screwy, which is why he makes the blast-door map. He can't remember shit. His punishment for being such a douchebag.
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I have some bad news. I'm future IDRINKYOURMILKSHAKE, and I implore you not post anotehr talkback.IN ABOUT
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I have some bad news. I'm future IDRINKYOURMILKSHAKE, and I implore you not post anotehr talkback.IN ABOUT
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6 HOURS....I will write another odd post, and it will have the potency of 30,000 odd posts-and you will spend the next 20 years figuring out how to dechiper it.
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i HATE radsinsky...he pisses me off.i CANT stand when he's onscreen.
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Just for you buddy.
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the area they're working in? It would save time.
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according to !EONLINE, the final(this season) sports a VICNENT-TRIC episode-and the twist is...we see everything from his perpestive, and the twist upon the twist is that we see vincent playing twister while watching the jan de bont film Twister,and the closing scene included him giving Locke a titty-twister.gasp!
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fuck me, i just had a brain-gasm.Smokie is really smokie the bear, cross-mutated with Smokie(Burt reynolds for all you retards)..and well...no FURTHER explanation needed. this theory is OFFICAL!
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what kind of person spends his whole time trying to tick people off. he must be a sad loser, he wastes like 10 seconds writing a pointless comment about how he hates that show and promoting that other stupid show instead, then goes on and on, doing the same thing every week only to attract attention like the child that he is. i feel sorry for him, he mustve been neglected and abandoned as a child. and what the fuck is a dioxholster anyway? which movie is that from? is it a reference to a special kind of gay porn? that fucker makes me so mad, i wish i had the ability to ignore his stupid comments. i hope he stops coming here because hes sure as fuck ruining the lost talkback.
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You lurker, you!
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Remember when Dr.Chang pushed the ivy-covered fence gates open so they could drive through?
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Lostpedia has great episode recaps, just type the episode name in the box under the black book on the top left of the screen. Theres also great character histories.
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Hey - I actually pointed out the same thing earlier this TB! Now that pa's back we need some good old PBS as well. Also, whatever happened to pdjon? Anyone see Nap Park lately? Sigh - the good old Node 32774 days.
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Why does Faraday know all the stuff about the Swan and the energy underneath? If that happened in 77, and he's been off island, why would he know? Or is he recalling something that he already knew when he first started working for Widmore? How does someone inform Chang that we have a black president in 2009? Didn't the 06 only make it back to 2007? I thought Chang says something about the president being named Bush - I think the black president reference was from Life on Mars. Now I'm off to check youtube.
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Who's guarding the wheel if Chang is out running all these errands?
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Wait until the Dollhouse TB tomorrow to flame Herc. I just had to get it out. Especially since I couldnt comment in the faggotry that is Herc Vault.
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...then what do you call Fire + Water or Stranger in a Strange Land?
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(awesome sn by the by), the thing is most people who complain of filler equate it to not getting answers. And for most people who complain of this, the answers is all they want. I'm not slamming you folk, either; I understand that's what you're looking for in this show, you just wanna' know what the fuck everything is. I do too, but I'm also interested in the progression of the story that's being told and the characters it involves, not just the big mysteries surrounding said story. Now, some of these mysteries are becoming more and more integrated into the actual 'storyline' (smokie, time travel, Alpert and the Others), as opposed to earlier when they were just the window dressing for it. I think this is essentially EvilWizardGlick's problem nowadays, that they've strayed too far from the original concept of survivors enduring all this craziness and focused too much on the craziness itself.
But I think it's still holding onto all of these things, but not every episode can focus on any given thing; it's like in S1, there were (and still are!) so many characters, that if you don't like somebody? Give it a week or two, they probabaly won't be focused on for a while. Hell, there were 3-4 episodes there where Jack and Kate didn't really even show up in S1, if maybe just walking by in the background. But they eventually get back to most things, except that every given episode won't have an appeal for everyone. For instance, the last three episodes:
'Dead is Dead': Focused on Ben and the Others, as well as Smoke Monster; this could be considered a 'mythology episode', in that it didn't neccessarily advance the ongoing plot, but showed us the inside of the temple and gave more clues about Smokey. I'd say there was no real character development either, but we did see a different side of Ben.
'Some Like It Hoth': Fully a 'character episode', developing not only Miles, but also a little of Hurley and Dr. Chang. Again, didn't really advance the ongoing plot, and didn't have a whole lot about the mythology of the Island.
'The Variable': While it did give us some character development for Dan (and his mother), it was fully a 'storyline episode', propelling the events in Dharmaville to a heated boiling point (The choosing of sides by the Losties, Sawyer and Jules captured by Radzinsky, Dan trying to enact his plan which will be taken over by Jack & Kate, all rushing towards the Incident), with no real mythology element.
So, some people like a certain aspect, and any other episode feels like filler. Personally, I like it all and the fact it has so many different elements or 'plates spinning' is why I keep coming back week after week and continue to be entertained. -
Jeez, didn't see your post at all! I thought you were banned for good! Just rewatched the comic-con pierre change clip from last summer. That is almost certainly Daniel talking to Dr. Candle - saying it won't work. And also he says the President is GWBush, so whoever upstream mentioned a Black President - wrong time-traveling Wednesday night ABC show!
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is the same as any ARG, or the Sri Lanka video--not canon. That video made for the con, just like Chang's bunnies before it. It was a way to tease the fans of the time-travelling that was coming next season, but didn't actually happen in the continuity of the show. :)
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But after last night I can't figure out how it could posibly fit.
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...and so is BSG. Everyone who watches it is a lump of dog shit floating around in a puddle of vomit. I came here to the LOST talkback just to tell you all that.
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(just in case you'd forgotten)
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Stargate reminds me of a man's asshole
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...like a man's asshole.
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...but im worried that they are going to give him an inflated sense of self. But... maybe that would actually be a good thing since its obvious he's lacking in the confidence department. So..never mind i guess.
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Are you a man? Can I see your Stargate?
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...unless your feeding my Stargate with big fat Ancient Eygptian COCK
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Why does no one like me?
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...apart from my Stargate action figures, of course, but they're all sealed in their packets so I can't hear them when they talk to me.
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Kurt Russells blondish ginger crew cut in the movie was DA BOMB
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Arrgh. Well, there goes that theory! Any answer why Faraday knows so much of the Swan and the Incident? Is it his 1977 self recalling info he learned from the 90's and beyond? Before his memory went wacko?
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Please, someone pay some attention to me!!!
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started to collect informations about the Swan and this time period after she offed him. She's probably the early author of the famous Notebook.
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LOST is for retards who like to molest coma patients. but stargate is the most awesome show to have ever existed ever!
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I have so many friends and i fuck so many hot chicks but stargate is my reason for existence. LOST is the menstruation of TV shows
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whereas LOST and BSG make me want to cut my cock off with my Swiss Army Knife and feed it to the neighbours dog (that I sometimes wank off when no one's looking)
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Well Darlton has not stated that its not connon, so it could be. It just can't figure it out how it can be.
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I bailed on this awesome party tonight cos I didn't want to miss the talkback. Some of you may have forgotten how awesome Stargate is and how much LOST sucks dead kangaroo dick
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...and I haven't washed in days. The only vagina I've ever been near is my mum's 20 years ago. If it wasn't for Stargate I'd probably kill myself.
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Do the writers really have a handle on this? Faraday was the crux of the past two seasons and the way they have him go out is to drunkenly wander into an enemy camp, pointlessly waving a gun he doesn't know how to use, and get shot in the back?
I'm all for realism in shows, but it is a bit out of place in 'Lost' to have someone go out in such mundane fashion.
Oh, and a big fuck you to Cap'n Jack and all the others who get hard by visiting SpoilersLostBlogspot and recounting it here for no other reason than to be a cunty weapons grade douchebag. Go off and die. What the hell is up with this talkback today? Almost like all of the actual Lost fans have left it to the Idiocracy crowd. Where is the place to talk 'Lost' nowadays? -
your minds are inferior. might i add a warning; if u guys keep this up i will do to LOST TBs what i did to the BSG TBs, i will mobilize all my forces and strike each talkback with all i got, trashing every shred of it. imagine urself anticapating the last season of LOST and you cant wait to discuss it in the Talkbacks, but guess what; i'll be there, and i'll be damned if you could debate anything when im there. think about it. so watch out, be nice or else, LOST will lose a talkback.
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its not my style
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Not necessarily about Lost, but mostly about the much "loved" troll.
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Yeah but you can't go back in time like we can and post in previous talkbacks!
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I was intent on highjacking this thread in protest of Joss Whedon and James. T Herc, captain of the U.S.S. balls on chin.
So here goes
Joss Haiku
the first cold shower
even the monkey seems to want
Joss is teh gheyzzzzorrrrz™
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Time traveling Warciples (?!?!?!?_
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Waiting for those Warciples if they think they can break in to this spactimetalkbackinum.
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Might be better to compare the seasons once this one is over, but would like to know anyone's thoughts on how they compare the two shortened seasons.
For me season 4 is ahead (at the moment), think for me it revolves around Team Saymond (Team Kick Ass), The Constant(up there with the best of Lost), besides the Constant there were more amazing episodes for me (Shape of Things to Come, Economist and Cabin Fever), and it did feel a little slicker than this season.
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to keep him AND her from coming back to the island... Could there be a 2007 Daniel and Charlotte who never got on the Freighter? There has to be a reason they cut away from that conversation.
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Great response about the filler. Couldn't agree more.
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now we know where she went. :)
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Apr 30, 2009 9:50:13 PM CDT
didn't she call Dan something else before when he was watching T
by jubba
didn't she call Dan something else before when he was watching TV? something other than Dan? in the episode that gave backstories to Dan's crew?
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I am nobody but myself.
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KATE! And Penny is the daughter of Widmore/Kate.
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Paburrows, others, check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/dyuzw9
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What about this? When Charlotte was dying and her mind going back and forth in time, future Charlotte's consciousness could have gone into young Charlotte just as the camera cut away last night. Then she would understand and believe Daniel's warning and if she then flashed back to a time before going to the island she could stop herself and Daniel from going. Of course that would just mean that he and Charlotte live, but he wouldn't know about Jack and the rest who need his help. Of course, if it is indeed his plan to stop the incident that actually causes the incident, then he would never tell Jack, the plane wouldn't crash-problem solved. Dammit, time travel just can't make sense.
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I think Rebecca Mader has been cast on some new show, and Jeremy Davies won't be returning. I know.. we want to hope against hope, I just don't feel like it's going to happen. I am guessing Jack or someone else will fill in the missing Faraday pieces by reading his journal, or Ms. Hawking will fill in the rest. Yeah, sucky isn't it? Exposition to make up for scenes they should've shot with Davies. Hope I'm wrong.
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Not for nothing, but did anybody notice that Eloise was reading from the same notebook she gave her son in the episode with Foucault's pendulum? Which is brilliant. And, perhaps, one of the reasons why she sacrifices him by sending him "back" to the island. At the point in time that she does so, she already knows that 30 years earlier she killed him. So, why send him back? Could it be so that she brings him, thirty years ago, his notebook with all his theories, and she, in turn, continues his work for thirty years thereafter. Stated another way, but for her sending him back to the island, she never would have obtained his knowledge when she was younger as a point of departure for her building her own plans. The scene with her and Widmore spoke volumes. As Daniel said, she knew she would be sending him to his death. (and yes, I think he is really dead). She did it because she believed something to be more important, such as gaining knowledge necessary to be in a position to attempt to shape events for the coming war. At the time she gave her son the blank notebook, she, for thirty years, already had the one her son had/will embue(d) with his theories. Brilliant.
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Last night brought up an old complaint I still haven't gotten any explanation for. Now that we know that the button really has a purpose and wasn't a psychological test to see how long a person would sit in a confined area and push a button, how stupid was it of the Dharma people to handle it the way they did. They leave 2 people at a time down there--some of whom weren't even there when the incident happened, so they don't know if it's real or not. Then they leave tapes around saying that it's all a test and the button isn't important at all. Even without the tapes, it's highly likely that like Locke did, someone would eventually say "the hell with it" and stop pushing the button. To me that's a major plot mistake. I think when the button was introduced, the writers had no idea where they were going with it and must have gone back and forth on whether it actually did anything.
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Lot of you are asking that...How he has so much knowledge about what exactly happened during "The Incident" at the Swan...and how he knew EXACTLY when Chang was gonna pull up there in the VW.
He told Charles Widmore plainly that he TESTED his 'consciousness' time travel theories ON HIMSELF first...that he never meant to hurt Theresa with the experiments. There were side affects to that experimentation. For Theresa, it made her practically a mental vegetable. But for Dan...it gave him a memory wipe and a half...His short term memory all but gone.
But Eloise told him if he went back to the island...the island 'might' heal him. Well...it did...it gave him his memories back when he got back to the island...first in 2004...then again, possibly even moreso, in 1974. I think the time flashes he experienced with the rest of the gang in between also helped in that respect.
So...I'm thinking Dan's 'consciousness travel' experiments at Oxford showed him the disaster at The Swan in vivid detail...it showed him how one incident caused a catastrophic chain of events to unfold...as he tried to explain to Jack & Kate.
Trouble is...the side affects of his 'experiments' made him forget everything he learned while on his little time trips. He knew that he witnessed 'something' happen...only he had no cogniscent recollection of any of it...but sometimes he would see something (like the fake 815 plane on the bottom of the ocean) that disturbed him...but he couldn't put together WHY it was bothering him...like a tiny fragment of a memory, nagging at him.
Well...I think in the 3 years between 1974 and 1977, Daniel found the missing jigsaw pieces in his head for the first time since his experiments at Oxford...and decided to leave the island and head to Ann Arbor to continue the research he was doing at Oxford in 1996...only in 1974! I think he was able to continue his time travel experiments there (possibly on the DL from the D.I.) and he was able to reverse the affects of the 'memory wipe' problems that he was having in '96.
Suddenly he saw the events VERY clear in his head...and when he got that picture of Jack, Kate & Hurley as 'new' Dharma recruits...His Constant Theory got a new twist...The Variable. So now, his "whatever happened, happened theory" was out the window...and perhaps these "variables" now in play actually COULD prevent the chain of events from happening.
I think were all kinda confused at Daniels apparent 'death' last night...as...we presume these questions can now never be answered.
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Apr 30, 2009 11:20:07 PM CDT
It would be cool if we could have a Vincent centric episode
by darthbakpao
Vincent being the silent witness to some of the island biggest secrets.
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with Vincent and Smokey playing cards in the jungle. You know...just chillin.
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not to come to the camp with the gun, so he won't be shot by young Eloise, thus preventing his death?
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Worked well in the mini episode, not sure for 42 minutes of it though.
But definetely miss him
Still waiting for my Lost spin-off "Team Kick Ass" - starring Sayid, Desmond and Vincent. Basically Kicking butt across the globe, solving crimes, rescuing damsels (of course pretty ones) in distress, assinating. Funded by Paik Industries (with the occasional special guest appearances by the lovely Sun) -
Maybe believes is not strong enough, she is a follower of desitny, a slave to it. Per her earlier appearances with Desmond, telling him want he had to do and what he couldn't do for the sake of the future/destiny.
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Dude I'd totally watch that show! Does it have the typewriter typing fast with the pulled-out flying paper at the end with credits to Stephen J. Cannel? With music by Mike Post? :)
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It seems like maybe Jack studies Faraday's journal and then leaves it with Eloise as he goes for an underwater swim to the temple?
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If you've been obsessing and dying to see the Temple for some time now! What's in there? What does it do? WHO is in there? Is it outside time and space? Dude I want to swim with Jack and go to the temple!
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Plz.
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And the basement is a bitch!
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I still think a full episode of Vincent centric would be a very cool idea. Imagine Vincent wanders around and finally gets into the temple or even Jacob's cabin, where Jacob serves him some dog's biscuit and have a one-way conversation with him. It would even be cooler if Vincent experiences time-jumps and gets into the earliest time of the island
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So, it was Eloise that seen in the trailer for ep. 15, the moment Jack dives into the water. I thought it was Kate. The other person standing next to Eloise is Sayid.
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I think we will swim with Jack, next week. Oooooooh!!!! *raises hand excitedly*
billypilgrim, thank you sir. A scholar and a gentlemen you are, and always a bright spot in the TBs.
Cheif, I'm following that Dan Knowledge logic, brutha, and to add to it, Widmore had decisive info on the DI that he obviously handed out to the Freighter crew (see Keamy's Orchid folder). But I'm still believing Dan's actually wrong about the 'Variables', because I'm still firmly entrenched in that whatever happened, happened (the only other option is paradox, and woe be the world if that happens...). Either that, or Dan knew EXACTLY what the fuck he was doing, in sending Jack and Kate on their own course of destiny to inevitably enact 'The Incident'.
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Sayid loves it when a plan comes together, Vincent isn't so keen on being drugged every time they need to fly though.
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One of the article that I posted at Room 23 had Darlton saying that Jeremy Davies would be back from time to time.
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Anyone remember that little gem? Not that latest piece of shit remake/boot...the actual sequel from 1985 directed by Wes Craven (who later claimed he did the movie for money, and has since disowned it!).
That movie had one of the funniest scenes EVER featuring a dog.
Towards the end of the movie...The dog who survived the FIRST film...began having flashbacks to THAT movie...recognizing the mutant idiots from THAT film when they appear in the sequel.
Wes Craven couldn't pull off a 'Dog Flashback'...Let's hope Darlton learned from his lesson with regards to a Vincent-centric episode!
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Apr 30, 2009 11:59:13 PM CDT
CB - Think in that mini-episode the Vincent POV was done well
by miyamoto_musashi
Wouldnt be done as bad as the travesty you mentioned.
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Thanks man, that was awsome!
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EXTERIOR/DAY JUNGLE
(Rose & Bernard are just waking up near the caves)
ROSE: God, what I wouldn't give for a Grande Espresso Macchiato right now.
BERNARD: Oh...I'd kill for a tall stack of your buttermilk pancakes!
ROSE: (Frowns) Look at poor Vincent...he looks hungry, too. Why don't you take him him down to the beach and see if you can catch him something to eat?
BERNARD: Okay...maybe I can spear us another flounder...Huh, boy?
(Vincent stares off vacantly)
BERNARD: Vincent?...C'mon boy...Vincent? Vincent? Vincent?...
(Slow zoom into Vincent's face...whooshing sound effect)
CUT TO: INTERIOR/NIGHT MICHAEL & WALT'S APARTMENT
(Vincent is licking at his balls feverishly...making horrible slurping sounds)
MICHAEL: Vincent! Vincent! Goddamn it...VINCENT!
(Vincent continues licking away...Walt enters)
WALT: Dad...what is it? What's wrong?
MICHAEL: IT's your damn dog! He won't quit licking his nuts! Take him outside before I hit him over the head with this statue of Anubis! (Michael grabs statue off coffee table)
WALT: C'mon, Vincent...Let's go outside...C'mon boy!
(Vincent stops licking...looks over at Michael, who raises Anubis threateningly. Vincent stands and leaves with Walt...Whoosing sound effect...)
CUT TO: EXTERIOR/DAY JUNGLE
(Bernard & Vincent walk through the jungle...something catches Vincent's eye...and he runs off barking)
BERNARD: Oh, no...Not again!! Vincent!! Get back here, boy! Dammit!
(Bernard chases after Vincent...trying to catch up. He finally reaches a clearing and stops suddenly...Bernard's eyes widen. He looks slowy upwards in amazement)
CUT TO: WIDE SHOT
(Bernard stands at the foot of the 4 Toed Statue...Vincent walks up sniffing around the base)
BERNARD: What the hell is this, boy?
(Vincent looks over his shoulder back at Bernard. He lifts his leg and begins peeing on one of the 4 toes. Bernard looks on in amazement. Vincent finishes up relieving himself on the statue...and then lays down in the grass behind it)
BERNARD: C'mon, Vincent...Let's get going...Lotsa fish to catch! C'mon, boy!
(Vincent ignores Bernard, and lays his head down between his front paws)
BERNARD: Vincent...C'mon. All right...Fine...you wanna lay in the shadow of that staute all day...fine with me! I'll go fishing by myself! But I'm not sharing my fish with you...you stupid mutt! See ya later!
(Bernard leaves Vincent alone in a huff...muttering to himself as he exits. A moment passes. Suddenly there is a noise...the sound of stone grinding against stone. Vincent raises his head and stares at the back of the statue. A stone door is being opened from inside the statue. Vincent stands. Finally a figure emerges from the doorway)
WALT: Hello, Vincent. Come on, boy...You have work to do.
(Vincent walks toward Walt and the doorway....Walt bends down and pets him...and they both enter the statue, walking down stairs inside. Walt pulls the stone door shut...and it closes with a loud...)
[POOM]
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And the Walt Flashback wouldn't be possible unless they used a different actor.
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the "course correction" BITCH. she's always known about dan dying. thats y she told desmond no matter what he DOES he will always go to the island. thats y she was crying at the beginning of the episode.. she knew dan was just beginning his PATH to the island. NO MATTER WHAT SHE DOES... that is what happens! hence, her "course correction" theory. she could have let him continue his piano path but, that was not for him. she knew then, by HER PAST experience, that dan WAS in fact her son. for example, when she asked him to count how many times the object ticked, she KNEW. that is what put her on the path of telling desmond, "ur not supposed to buy that ( pennys ) ring. u cant change things...
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May 01, 2009 1:10:15 AM CDT
Yeah back in season 3 I hated her thats how things are going to
by paburrows
I believe that while you can't change the past, your also not bound by whats suppocidly supposed to be. I believe in free will. Now since Dan said that that 1977 was their present they can do whatever they want because thats their present. Being there makes them the Variable. As for Dan, Look at Ethan and how many times he's been back for flashbacks. They even got Libby & Charlie back to be ghosts. So Dan will be back and Im betting we will get Ann Arbor 3 years and his conversation with Young Charlotte.
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The line from Jack in the commercial about how they had to change things was better and made more sense than this episode. Faraday was a fucking useless character.
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I just said I didn't like the episode. I liked last weeks a lot better. Sorry I don't kiss every episode of LOST like most people here. Jeez.
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They do whatever they need to do to prevent the plane from crashing. The show ends with everyone on the plane landing safely in Los Angeles and going their separate ways, with no memory of everything that ever happened on the island.
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Jack will still be a drunk, Kate will go to Jail, Sawyer, too. Charlie will be a druggie without Claire. Hurley would go back to his folks, rich. Locke will still be in a wheelchair. Kind of depressing
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May 1st, 2:00am, Post # 719 in "The Variable" talkback.
VitoRapesFinn figures out LOST's ending.
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This show used to be in my top 2 or 3 of all time. But it's just become a parody of itself. TPTB have become victims of their formula, just like M Night and his twist endings.
Although parts of S2 and S3 dragged, they really picked it up in the latter half of S3 and the S3 finale was a masterpiece. Ever since then they've wasted two seasons explaining who got off of the island and how they got back. The story has essentially stalled for two years, with relatively few true advancements to the plot.
Just as Chris Carter bit off way more than he could chew with the X-Files, Lindelof (sp?) and Cuse really haven't been able to maintain this story after S3. -
Why are we in the past? We already know what happened. We saw it. Who gives a shit if they need to change it? I liked in in Season 3 where they were moving forward in time with the Others and the ghosts, and the Dharma spooky past. Now, it's Back to the Island Futuer.
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Yet overlooked. Nice characterizations. You NAILED Michael's yelling.
Extra props for the pooming and whooshing. Seriously well written...I actually heard the sounds and saw the sights.
(Someone's been studying screenwriting...)
Anyway, knowing the mechanics and knowing how to write...two completely different things.
I just hope you didn't use "The Official LOST Screenwriter Pro" package...because that would be cheating. And the only thing worse than cheating is using the TOLSP writing program...which can be accessed at my site :
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and lockesbroekenleg...fair 'nuff! I'm of the opposite opinion, but I really do want to say I appreciate both of you for offering your opinions in thought out, well-said comments (I'm really not trying to flame or anything; I'm just not used to seeing arguements on these TBs actually being articulate and backed up without including random hurled insults!).
For a counter-arguement, I'll offer up...I think we're in the past, because we actually HAVEN'T seen these events, on the show at least. The whole point of the Losties time-jumping through S5, is to give us a 'history primer' for the Island; we've seen teases in the 'present day' (at that time, 2004), such as the DI, Russaeu and her crew, the Others/Hostiles in general...now we, the viewers (along with the Losties themselves) are getting the backstory for the Island itself (if next ep. ends up being a 'Alpert-centric' story, we'll got back even FURTHER I think).
As for the O6, I've always (personally) seen that storyline as character fighting against destiny, trying to chage what they cannot. I've made the comparison before, everyone who's LEFT the Island has ended up in the worst possible scenario for their character...Jack's a drunk like his father, Kate can't run because of Aaron, Aaron is being raised by another, Hurley's in the mental house, Sayid's a killer, etc etc. But since returning to the Island, they've started to find their true purpose again; Jack's accepted his 'destiny', Kate is no longer running FROM something but to it (finding Claire), Sayid think's he's 'killed baby Hitler' (for lack of a better comparison), etc etc. So the journey off-Island was neccessary to show these characters what they could lose, and what could ultimately be gained by accepting fate/destiny.
But at the same time, I hear where you're coming from, Frodo, with the 'spinning it's wheels' analogy to the O6 leaving then just coming back. All I can say in arguement is, they are back, and things seem to be kickin' into a high gear, so hopefully the rest of the series will be more entertaining for you. :) Again, I sincerely thank you for your candor. -
It shouldn't be depicted as a series of flashbacks (that's cheesy), but shown in chronological order -- starting from him in the cargo hold of Flight 815. Next season is the last, and it would be great fun to finally have an episode with Vincent as the star. Damon and Lindoff could borrow inspiration from the novels of Jack London (telling a story from a dog's point of view) to tell his story, for example. So this wouldn't be dumb thing to do; there would definitely be literary/artistic merit to doing this.
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The last few episodes of Lost haven't resonated for me as much as previous ones, in fact I could probably say the same for this whole series. Still one of the best shows on TV.
This episode in particular takes one of the best characters (Daniel), seemingly one of the most instrumental and mysterious (Eloise) and yet the results weren't particularly affecting or mindblowing. You wouldn't call it one of the ten best episodes of the hundred. Still on a second viewing it's a lot more poignant. Maybe a different order to the scenes would have helped.
Daniel crying to the news of 815 suggests he realises everything he thought and did was in vain (very Donnie Darko). Eloise's message in the journal. Those are both a punch in the stomach once you've seen Dan die. -
Brilliant....awe im having flashback of 2 summers ago....whooosshhhhhhh!!!!!
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that would really fuck up everyones heads...prob wont happen but she sent her own son to death.... Hawkin, Widmore, Ben and a few others have travelled time in teh future before....Hawkin got up to 2008!!thats why she said for the first time in a long time she doesnt know whats going to happen..
Ben didnot seem worried at all about dying or getting injured in the previous episodes because he knew he was still alive in 2007, so he knew no matter what he did he would still be alive,,,,,,now it seems that everyone is uncertain about the future and what it holds....maybe the only one to go alot further int o the future is Jacob..possibly why he is soo important -
I would love to see a Vincent episode, but only if they promised to do the entire thing in the most dramatic traditions of LOST.MUSIC: Bonnnnnng - .... Booooong - .... Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee .... deeeeeeeeeeeeee - Booooooong ... Booooonnng.
Ben: Now, Vincent - I'm afraid the time has come for you to make a choice - and there's no going back. Alpo ... or Science Diet? And remember - ... whatever you choose ... oh, I do gurantee you that someone on the Island will die.
Music: Boooooong .... booong ... booong.
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Alpo.
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Time Travel.
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Downhill? LOST has never been better. Unless you're one of those "who is Kate dating now?" types.
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"Rolllll that beautiful Dharma footage."
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where you get so much gratification from seeing something happen that you totally thought was going to happen maybe six months, maybe a year earlier...
like Mr and Mrs Daniel Faraday - should have been a let down, and yet... I was on a HIGH when they confirmed that little factoid!
I know it's been compared before, but The Wire is probably the only other show I can think of that even comes CLOSE - and for the same reasons - it rewards an intelligent viewer for paying attention, as opposed to the kind of writing on, say, most Hollywood films, where you are basically required to turn your brain off
bravo!
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You were wrong, Dan.
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LOST gotta be the most self-gratifying mess i ever seen and it should be canceled right now before they embarrase themselves furthur. its ending will outbeat the sopranos one by having the most unsatisfying and ridiculous ending for a show ever. let me guess the ending: Jack watches Locke have gay sex with Sawyer, and then kate gets in on the action while Hurley is doing a 1 guy 1 cup thing and it fades to black and LOST intro title appears...then suddenly the title cracks into pieces by some japenese dude from the Dharma videos and lectures us on everything that was really happening on the island and that these main characters were part of the holographic experiment, that aims to see if humans are capable of surviving in a remote location during unexplained circumstances; the experiment is part of the human defense program that wants to ensure humanity's survival when the next alien attack happens in 2036. crap
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Will most definitely not end with Flight 815 landing safely and everyone going their separate ways with no memory of everything that ever happened on the island.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. As I aksed earlier, what exactly will happen to the Losties we've been following for these 5 seasons?? Will they suddenly "disappear" like Marty almost did in BTTF when he nearly prevented his own birth?
The simple fact of the matter is that for Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, et al., the plane HAS already crashed. Preventing it from happening doesn't actually do ANYTHING for them. Worse, if they actually WERE successful in preventing Flight 815 from crashing, the Losties on the island would be "erased from existance", as Doc Brown would say. And none of them would want that. -
Daniel brought the gun and wved it around knowing he was going to be shot. He had no reason to point a gun at Richard knowing how the hostiles don't mind killing DI people.
Eloise in 2007 knows she shot Daniel. We never got that he died though.
If Young Ben can take a bullet to the chest and get survive because of the Temple, why not Daniel? He's the variable throwing off what Eloise in 2007 thinks she knows and she no longer knows what will happen next. The variable stunted her predictive abilities. Course-corrections are over. -
My prediction for the end of LOST will be that they will undo the time warp - and in so doing the island will never exist - and all the events of the lives of the 815ers will spiral back out into normal reality. The plane will never have crashed, and they'll all only "sort" of remember - with vague feelings of deja vu. Jack and Kate will "meet" after they exit the plane and talk about everyday stuff - we'll get a few shots of everyone going to family / being alone / life / etc at the airport, making for some tragic and comic moments - and then Jack and Kate will have that kind of fake romantic BS conversation so popular in romcoms - that never happen in reality, like, you know: "So you DON'T ever listen to lines from strangers?" "Well, if they're good." "How about 'Can I take you out to dinner?" "I'd like that."
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I can't think of a more unsatisfying resolution to this show than for the plane to not crash. There's been way too much talk about the statue and the temple this year for that to not be resolved. The plane will crash, they'll stay on the island but go back to 2007 and everything else that happens, i have no idea about
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God I miss Novaman5000. He was the fucking king. He was ten times smarter than anyone else in these TB's. Every theory he posited was almost always smack dab on the money. And he eviscerated trolls with such ease and bravado it was breathtaking to behold. He must have actually gotten a life or something.
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Looks like a time flash. I personally think it's cool as hell but some seem to think it's too bright. I can't wait to see what the special Dharma edition looks like.
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I have to say at this point, for me, Season 4 is much better. Seems like there was so many classic episodes. Aside from Eggtown, The Other Woman, and Something Nice Back Home, they all seemed like classics to me. Those episodes are still strong but not quite as strogn as the rest. Plus Season 4 had Keamy, a classic villain played to perfection by Kevin Durant.
The main baddy this year seems to be shaping up to be Radzinsky but as of yet he is not nearly as awesome as Keamy in my mind, though the potential is there. Season 5, I hate to say it, has been solid, but consistently underwhelming to me. The stray from the format in the first half of the season irked me and made the show feel unfocused and jumbled. The timeflashes to the past on the island have revealed surprisingly little in my mind. The lack of info on Dharma still is frustrating and they still haven't mentioned anything about Hanso which scares me a little. The plot has gotten infinitely more convoluted this season with all this backstory with Widmore and Hawking and it's hampered my enjoyment of the show. The Variable in particular I found maddeningly intricate and plot heavy but somehow miraculously incomplete feeling.
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Have they ever revealed HOW Charles Widmore KNEW that the 815 people ended up on the Island in the 1st place? He was already trying to find the Island and he didn't send the Freighter to rescue them. What does faking the 815 crash have to do with finding the Island? He could have rescued the 815 passengers, removed Ben from power, and still done whatever the hell he wanted. Why does he need to kill them and /or cover up the crash? That part of it doesn't make sense. ESPECIALLY if he remembers them coming back to the past AFTER his plans fail? Is Widmore trying to prevent things that already happened from happening again, or trying to ensure that they happen the same way? This whole Time Travel plotline has removed any menace from the Ben and Charles relationship. Neither one of them knows what the hell is going on anymore. Neither does Eloise Hawking. If Widmore had a contact or mole on the Island, he should have already known where the Island was! And if he gained all this info from torturing an Other who was off the Island, again: why the cover-up? You guys may have discussed all this before. It just hit me that most of what Widmore has done to date makes no sense on any level. He knows things he shouldn't know and doesn't know things he should.
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He needs to get shot. And then have Kelvin just lie to Desmond about whose blood stain is on the ceiling. We need some sort of cathartic end to Radzinsky's douchiness.
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Well, if the Lostaways run into Charles Widmore, leader of the Others in the next episode or so, then he WOULD know that 815 crashed on the Island. I get the feeling Eloise is going to know.
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mention of how Ewoks suck. Colbert eats an Ewok
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/225968/april-27-2009/a-rare-correction---stephen-eats-an-ewok -
mention of how Ewoks suck. I personally like Ewoks, but thought that these were funny.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/225965/april-27-2009/shout-out---kids-edition
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/225968/april-27-2009/a-rare-correction---stephen-eats-an-ewok -
It made me sad. I grew up with Ewoks, afterall.
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Nice theory, but I doubt the cop that Kate is shackled to on the plane would let her get all chatty with fellow passengers after the plane lands.
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or Hawking or Ben or Richard or Daniel or ANYONE having past experience or foreknowledge of these Events is:SO WHAT? There are Things you can Control or Manipulate and things you CAN'T!None of these people can make Desmond Hume land a boat on an island by accident. They can't make him decide to push a button or one day decide to STOP pushing it, causing a plane to crash. None of them created these events. None of them could have predicted or prevented them. None of them could time travel to make sure they don't happen or make sure they happen the same way. Desmond in a boat. Desmond in a hatch. NOBODY else is involved in these events.That's why I keep saying there's no Unified Field Theory that can explain LOST. LOST was explained 20 years ago by that bumpersticker that said: SHIT HAPPENS.
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...that the statue still exists in 1977. and the jughead explosion will destroy it.
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I predict you'll break down in tears tonight when the straw you use to blow yourself finally breaks.
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The removal of the elements of the time rip (ie, none of the "bad stuff" will have happened) will mean everyone will be "rewarded" for saving the world with a "new lease on life" IE Kate won't be a convict, Jack won't be alcoholic, etc. That will be The Prize, since time has been distorted into making them all suffer their past mistakes - they'll be retroactively forgiven. I'm not adding that to explain the cop - I've honestly thought this would be the ending since Season 2.
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Desmond alone in the Hatch in 2004 and everyone who's ever been on the series knocking on the back door one at a time like Daniel trying to get him to DO or NOT DO something that will CHANGE or NOT CHANGE everything. And yes, I remembered that Desmond didn't decide to stop pushing the buttton. He didn't get back in time to push it because he was following and fighting with Inman.
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Actually he did later on when he left it to be the 815ers problem and tried to bail on the sailboat.
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It was Locke who smashed the terminal that input the numbers.
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Ok, so we know the island was invisible and always moving slowly about through time, so you couldn't ever find it, only try to predict where it would be next. How does that prevent someone like Desmond from leaving? Where he hits a corner with the front of his boat and it instantly puts the opposite corner behind his boat from the other side? I don't mean a literal "hitting" but it was obvious Desmond sailed in all directions and it kept making him get closer to the island the further away he got from it. Is it because he didn't have the right coordinates, like say, someone with the Sub would have, or Widmore? Faraday and Lapidus seemed to indicate that if you had the wrong coordinates, you'd suffer worse symptoms of the bloody nose disease, but not necessarily that you couldn't escape the island perimeter?
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I enjoyed your theory, too, but it doesn't really hold up. Will Boone, Shannon, and Charlie all "return" from the dead? Eko, Libby, and Ana Lucia, too?
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As has been jokingly foretold.
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You'll see. I'll show you. And eff you if you disagree with me.
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Because all of the Dharma people are carrying Lugers around! It makes sense!!!
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...that you're a douche.
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May 01, 2009 2:13:57 PM CDT
Hey Naked_Viggo, I got an idea...maybe you should...uhhhh....
by vitorapesfinn
FUCK YOURSELF
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I got word from Damon and Carlton! They LIKE fuckin' with you guys...
The final episode is going to end with the LOST logo...and a huge fart noise under it. -
You heard it here first.
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It takes place in the '70s before he got to the island. It's gonna be fuckin' awesome.
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He got charged with sexual harassment on set. Kinda changes the way you look at him, eh?
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is someone who runs around leaving peoples fridge door open, cuasing the milk to ...well, you get it
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im dissapointed in that.it's re-donk that they want to abonden that.there must've been a big problem with that actress....because they even ahd her appear last season, on the freighter...when michael had his flashback
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Well, my prection is it will be revealed that what happens happens unless you have LOVE (*puke*) which is the only way to change fate (true love, if humans want it badly enough, CAN CHANGE ANYTHING - even the love for a brother for his sister, etc.) and so I do think Boone et all will be revealed to have always "died" (IE, in the "real" timeline they wouldv'e died anyway even fi the island hadn't existed) or they'll be plucked from the jaws of death and "saved" back to mundane lives. However, I think the former is more likely due to the cost of having to cast back in all the people who've been removed from the plot.
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... will be the LACK of actual "scientific" explanation. Thy WILL, I guarantee, do the same thing so many other shows like QUANTUM LEAP/JOURNEYMAN (*snort*) etc. do when it comes to time travel, and that is to take a collective crap on the audience and their characters (*Battlestar Galactica, too,!*) by simply saying: "Who is to say how the unvierse really works? How time works? Only God - perhaps this is his master plan." I guaran-damn-tee it. They won't go in for the sci-fi explanation. They'll cop out and make it mystical, defy their own rules and say "God does not roll dice."
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i think the only ones who are 'unstuck" are desmond and faraDAY(AS HE HAD that laser-thing he was shooting himself,rats and that chick with)..and THAT'S what allows them to be able to alter things(as they are"unstuck" in time)
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But-but-but...PARADOX! If they change what they did...then they can't have crashed to change it...and it wouldn't change...so they'd crash and change things...so they wouldn't crash...so it can't...have...*BRAIN A'SPLODE*
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is a singer in the band!
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lane!
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i have faith in'em brotha. just based on how the show has been overall. its been really well-written to date.
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remember what Locke says in the pilot, about the need for two sides in a battle. I submit: Jacob and Walt. I think they're going to go both sides of the time rip and repair it. It'll undo everything, and it won't be a paradox because the RIP will get fixed and TIMe ITSELF will fall backward and repair itself, undoing the presence of the paradox in the first place - so it happened, but the acts of what happened were Mother Nature itself trying to FIX the time problem.
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but all of our main characters, including Ben, return home. But they return home to find the outside world completely destroyed by their actions. The end.
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hahahaha... yes!!! Every time he's on screen I say to the TV "come on, somebody fucking shoot him." What a douche!
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widmore and ellie have always known SINCE 1977. ellie knew she had to sacrifice daniel and widmore knew he had to be a fucking prick to his own daughter. hence, him saying in the episode that he sacrificed his own relationship with penny. if he wasnt a prick towards desmond and penny then desmond would'nt have gone on his "sailboat race" to prove his worth to widmore. widmore knew that desmond was on the island in 2004 because he sends him on that "race". also, widmore knew the location of the island because he sent the freighter. who do u think was funding pennys research to "find" desmond? the reason he didnt go back sooner is that the 2nd swan incident doesnt happen till 2004. thats the reason ben moves the island because widmore knows the location now.
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May 01, 2009 4:09:07 PM CDT
My theory: Alpart is from the future; smoke monster, too...
by prof. pop-cult
In the future, a huge super collider was built on the island. (Perhaps this was funded by the future Hanso Foundation and future DHARMA.) This collider opened a rift in time, and the super charged particles in this collider were transported back in time; these charged particles manifest into what appears to be the "smoke monster".Of course, this science project in the future has mucked around with the timeline. Richard Alpart is a time-travel astronaut from this future, the first human to be sent back in time, to do something -- perhaps to help fix everything.
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1. Look at Richard in the perspective that Widmore has seen Locke: To Widmore, it looks like Locke has never aged.
2. Smokey bursts out of the ground. It appears it swirls, burls through the ground, running around a wide perimeter. Damon and Lindoff have stated that Smokey is not nanobytes/nanites, but, technically, charged particles from the future that are sent back in time would be a different form of technology. And it would stand to reason that if you're messing around with a time travel experiment, the first thing you would try to send back in time would be particles of a sub-atomic level. -
Might Smokey be a device designed to destroy paradoxical elements? Hmmmm ...
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May 01, 2009 4:38:53 PM CDT
Who was the other person Widemore had an affair with?
by lockesbrokenleg
Off island? We still don't know.
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The Losties stuck in 1977 will return to the present on the island. But I predict next season, the theme will be that the continuity and other established events from the last 5 seasons will be called into question. And most people who have died on the island will return in some form to haunt the living.Bram and some other people from the Ajira flight (including possibly the bounty hunter woman who captured Sayid) are not from the future, but working for an organization/group from the future (DHARMA and/or Hanso Foundation, most likely). What their mission is is not entirely clear at this point, but it will come to direct conflict with what the Others, led by Locke, want to do. The Losties, led by Jack again, will be caught in the middle of this. Everybody's literal destiny and fate will hinge on this final outcome. The final secret -- what is Smokey? -- won't be revealed until the very last episode.As for this season's finale, I could see things ending with the hydrogen bomb being set off -- the mushroom cloud erupts over the island, and everybody is engulfed in a blinding, flash of light. And that's it: we're left to wonder who, and what, will exactly survive into the next, final season.
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from existence on the island?
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Way ahead of you. 52 posts up at the May 1st, 10:00:42 post.
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the incident or the bomb or whatever flings the castaways back to ancient island days? Like when the Temple, statue, etc were built?
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http://tinyurl.com/3xlefa
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Send everyone back to their proper time.
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back to when the Black Rock crashed on the island.
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and No Payoff. The more they reveal about him, the less sense his actions make. How much of the next 2 episodes and Season 6 are going to be tied up in him having a decades spanning pissing match over who gets to control the Island? He lived there for years but doesn't prepare his team to deal with the Smoke Monster? He's richer than Midas but waits 3 years to send another team back? (If the other people on the Ajira flight ARE his team?)He's gone from all powerful all knowing Big Bad to drunk and depressed Dad showing up at the hospital to check on his son-in-law and argue with his ex. If he HAD regained control, deposed Ben and killed everyone on the Island, THEN WHAT? His plans don't make any sense, ESPECIALLY if he already knows they aren't going to succeed?
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I agree, something else has to happen...I think it could involve a major death, traveling back to the present, perhaps another resurrection, or, what I think is the most likely, it will end with the Losties meeting Jacob in person...picture them all getting back to the future, celebrating, then a man steps out of the woods, they all look at him, he says something like "I'm Jacob" but a million times better, and then THUMP
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As for when he sent the frieghter, that how long it toke him to even find the untracable island.
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I WANT AN EXPLANATION!!!
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The answer to your question is....Margo Sheppard.
Why do ya think Christian's been such a dick to Jack his whole life? He resents Jack...because Jack is NOT his 'biological' son.
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Penny's mom.
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Or he's really Sawyer's father.
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Bullshit.
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but they also said Widemore went off island and had ANOTHER kid with someone. Who was that?
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"....It has four toes."
(music: Da...Da...DA-DA-DA)
cut to:
LOST
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Bet the sun on it.
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How about they get rescued and every single thing gets explained except for the statue because everyone has forgotten about it. As all of the castaways are flying away in a helicopter, Sayid looks back to the island with a goofy, pleased grin on his face. He sees the four-toed statue. His eyes shoot open.
The music goes Da...Da...DA-DA-DA! Then Sayid goes, "Son of a bitch."
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That's fuckin' brilliant. Seriously.
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Along with Locke and Ben meeting Jacob ,this is one meeting I am really looking forward to
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I searched my feelings and knew it to be false.
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Well We partially did see Christian appear to Jack last season in the Hospital Lobby. Thats when the he asked for his first perscription. But they haven't shown a face to face. Im guessing that we see an off island flashback of Christian visiting with Jack and telling him to "Go Back". Maybe that will even explain some of his back on the island chioces.
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I think there's a VERY good possibility the Lady Sheppard is Penny's mom, and that's the 'outsider' Charles had an affair with. But I still think Christian is Jack's dad.
And another thought...we still don't know who Locke's dad is. For the longest time I was just like, 'oh, it's Anthony Cooper/Real Sawyer'. Then I thought about it. The man was just a con-artist, who used Locke's mom to get to Locke and his delicious kidney. Otherwise, why the 'mystery' surrounding who Emily Locke was going to meet in 'Cabin Fever' before John was born? I think Locke might have some bloodline connections we're not aware of... -
Just like the Series Premiere. I'll bet that Season 6 has a big Jack/Locke focus.
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I'll kill myself if the final season doesn't live up to my hopes, and I'm not like most fans who need everything perfect. I just want satisfaction, and I believe I will have it. Mostly, I just want Desmond and Penny to end up happy together. The rest..I don't really care.
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of the force. Widmore banged uglies with Margo OFF ISLAND...Thus getting her IMPREGNATED with JACK...WHO Christian had to 'claim' as his 'own' as to not disrupt everything at the 'country club set'...Thus causing Christian to say NASTY things to young Jack...like, "you don't have what it takes, boy"...excetera........excetera.
This caused Christian to feel like HE needed some strange pussy...and sought out Carole Littleton...at a Doctor's Convention held in Austrailia...where Claire's mum was studying to be a nurse...
My God....If you fuck holes can't see ther writing on the stupid wall...I have NO IDEA why I'm painting a mural for you!!
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Or...Christian was a drunk. My dad was a drunk; they say some pretty mean, fucked up stuff.
I'm sayin', I think it's VERY possible (if not LIKELY at this point, with the connections every character seems to have) that Mrs. Sheppard is PENNY'S mom. I just don't see why Widmore would neccessarily be Jack's dad. -
You know what you are, faggot? (No offense to any ACTUAL faggots here). You are a douche so reprehensible that your own mother stopped talking to you years ago. Yet, you still scream out...begging for her attention....at first in the Stargate talkbacks...where you thought your inpeccable insight into that turd fest made you a GOd...but then....without warning...Stargate started to....to suck. Suck really...REALLY badly...and soon...you found that all of your friends in that talkback...they...they began to abandon you....just...well...just like your your mom did. Yet...you STILL tried to sing the praises of Stargate...that it was a show WORTHY of a weekly talkback...(Just like LOST)....but even Herc abandoned it too....sensing that it's 'glory days' were well behind it...that it was actually living on 'borrowed time' as it were.
You STILL clung to that steamy pile of fresh dog shit...HOPING...PRAYING...that someday Col. McGuyver could figure out what was happening with those giant, watery 'man asses'. (Meanwhile...more interesting things were happening on the soon to be cancelled, muppet friendly
"Babylon 5").
Soon...Stargate was given the 'axe', unfairly you thought...the story hadn't been given enough time to...to...evolve. There were still so many thing left hanging in the 'balance'.
Bitter that your own mother ABANDONED YOUR WORTHLESS ASS. You sought to lash out at ANYTHING that was getting MORE ATTENTION than your 'precious' Stargate.
Along came LOST...GOod LOrd how the critics ate it up!! "BEST SHOW ON TV"...some said..."THIS SHOW KICKS ASS, DUDE" said Rolling Stone...While some served it up plainly..."THIS SHOW KICKS STARGATE RIGHT IN THE PINE CONES...AND BY THAT...WE MEAN... PREPUBESCENT, HAIRLESS BALLS".
Stop threatening us with yer Girl Scout Army ya fucking MORON...and go get a hobby or something that your mother will never be proud of. STOP. LOOKING. TO. THOSE. THAT. HATE. YOU. FOR. POSITIVE. RE-ENFORCMENT. OR. YOU. WILL. DIE. ALONE.
But...I'm guessing...that's pretty much a foregone conclusion.
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Margo is PENNY'S MOM? Ell-oh-ELL!!
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Cheif's drunk.
S'okay. I am too. *raises drink* 'Here's to the trolls we hate, and here's the trolls we mock; and if they never get run over by trucks, may they all suck a massive, fat cock.' Cheers, mate. -
I'm just not buying it. This last episode proved it, in my mind at least. All that talk between Charles and Eloise outside the hospital about Penny, and Ellie doesn't bat an eye. She's focused on Dan, 'cause that's her only kid in this equation. At least, that's what I got from it.
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The T is SiLEnt...just like ColBERT!
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Sorbet....
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On the Top 10 list...Why would Diox waste his attention seeking breath on THIS 'has been' talkback. I DARE HIM (AND HIS SISSY ARMY) TO PROVE ME WRONG.
Fain...Unthink what you THINK you've been told....step back...relax....and look again.
Is Penny the 'legitimate' child...or is 'Jack'? I'll collect yer answers tomorrow...right now...I'm drunk. Namaste! -
SOAP OPERAS!
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And I read too many comics...which is quite akin to soap operas. So there ya' go. :)
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Those who stayed home from school cuz they were sick...
had two choices of what to watch on TV that day:
1. The Price is Right...or...
2. Soap Operas.
The sick kids who gravitated towards TPIR, did so because every game of PLINKO...or BULLSEYE...or...CLIFF HANGER....had a decisive outcome. A beginning...a middle...and a very clear END. There were NO mysteries in The Price is Right....either you were RIGHT...and you got to go to the Showcase Showdown....and see Barker's Beauties make over exaggerated hand gesturees at toasters...OR...
YOU. LOST.
In which case...you got escorted away from Bob like you had the swine flu. Regardless...you were treated to a nice, tidy, everything wrapped up in 1 hour piece of television.
But...if you were the ones who watched SOAP OPERAS...like One Life to Live...General Hospital...Days of Our Lives...As The World Turns....Santa Barbara...you got to experience "Soap narratives, like those of film melodramas, marked by what Steve Neale has described as 'chance meetings, coincidences, missed meetings, sudden conversions, last-minute rescues and revelations, deus ex machina endings'". These elements may be found across the gamut of soap operas, from EastEnders to Dallas.
Before you ever saw yer first episode of LOST...You were PREPARED for "surprise deaths...Child geneolgy mismatches...cheating spouses...plot points that got left hanging for weeks...months....sometimes YEARS after the fact.
Even though you were only home sick...one...possibly three days...Those soap operas PREPARED you to appreciate shows like LOST. To sit tight...wait it out...and eventually be rewarded for your patience.
Seems as though we have a LOT of PLINKO fans in these talkbacks week after week.
May I suggest Deal or No Deal?
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AGREED! AMAZINGLY excellent points, sir.
I'll add, as I said above, comics are the same basic principle.
They brought you ongoing stories focused on a character or group of characters, many possibly inhabiting the same story that weaves in and out of various expanding or contracting stories. Sometimes characters would vanish the dreaded world of limbo, but they'd eventually return at some point, sometimes surpassing death itself.
And if the characters were acting strangely out of character or not taking into account past events (ie: continuity), you could bet that you'd wait a year and another writer would jump on, integrating the old storylines and at times explaining why the characters had been acting in such a strange way. Just given time.
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(a long time ago when I was *cough* tripping)
very strange because I wasn't in the least bit SAD about anything, not consciously anyways - so the tears were inexplicably... illogical!
anyhow, a couple people have sort of danced around the idea (MP I'm looking at YOU) without quite putting their finger on it so I'm here to put forth the theory I had in MY head watching Faraday's Plan:
I think he *MEANT* to die - and I do think he's dead, sorry. Hey, I was among those who protested shot-in-the-not-kidney-Locke and jumped-off-the-boat-Jin were still alive and I don't think anyone really expected either Desmond or Penny to be dead, but I think Faraday has reached his end - ON PURPOSE!
The line to Miles after talking to Chang - "I'm just making sure that your father does what he's supposed to do" - got me thinking he's using reverse-psychology!
Like a Grand Master chess player, he's figured out exactly where all the chess pieces need to be thirty moves in advance and in an effort Ben himself would be proud of, he has manipulated all the key players into doing PRECISELY "what they need to do"
This includes Hurley's infamous guitar case, Jack's "purpose" in carrying out his plan, as outlined in his diary, Charlotte leaving on the boat - same boat carrying Sawyer and Juliet, I'm guessing (hey wouldn't it be a wicked twist of fate for Sawyer to actually BE the SAME Sawyer who cons little James Ford's parents and is eventually killed by SAWYER - but not before having a little fun with Locke's kidneys? ok it'll never happen, but still...)
ok where were we? oh yeah, the whole walking into his mother's camp waving the gun around - MAKING SURE SHE DOES WHAT SHE'S SUPPOSED TO DO!
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I disagree with Chief Brody. Jack is Christian's son. Why build up all those Daddy issues and have him appear to Jack and have Jack find out Claire is his sister and then say, no we were just kidding. Widmore has enough kids on this show. Unless they're ALL his kids & they've been committing incest with each other. That would be Twisted.
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YES sir! That's exactly what I was trying to say in some earlier, drunken-rambly posts. That talk about 'Variables', to Jack and Kate, it's to set them on the course they HAVE to take...to cause the Incident, or some other happening.
Explains why Dan charaged in to the Hostile camp all barrels blazing. Explains what he said to Chang. Hell, the one thing he says he DOES try to change (warning Charlotte to never come back)...was what Charlotte already told him he did!
Whatever happened, happened. Causality's the fickle bitch. And Dan Faraday willingly gave his life to appease that beast and stop the universe from goin' Ka-Blooey. -
You just gave Diox an all you can eat buffet. I don't mind because hes kind of a cute pet here, but if your going to preach don't feed the trolls you kind of have to not do it yourself.
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but i do love me some Stefano Dimerra....
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Great scott, dude.
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sadly, no more Zen Jack, letting things happen and taking at most a passive-aggressive attitude - and all it took was some clever manipulation from Faraday, telling him he's got to go back TO THE FUTURE...
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If Dan was aware that his mother was going to "do what she had to do", then I submit that Jeremy Davies did a piss-poor job of it. Because he absolutely sold the surprise of the moment to me. Now maybe he suspected his impending death, but I don't think he knew it would be her. Again, this is in Davies' performance. I don't buy what you're selling because I totally bought what he sold. The only way I'd buy what you're saying is if Faraday only PRETENDED to be surprised that it was her, and for the life of me I can't imagine what purpose that would serve.
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Actually I think that Zen Jack just found his calling. He was only waiting around until his destiny found him.
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what does this mean?
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like he knows when it's going to rain
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yeah I get what your saying - but the thing is with Davies, he ALWAYS acts surprised about EVERYTHING - it's kinda his style, you know?
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that he pretty much hasn't been involved in LOST since the 1st season when he bailed to film Mission Impossible 3. I appreciate that he did that, and that he credited Darlton for the awesome places they've taken LOST. I'm sure Darlton is getting sick of people crediting JJ for LOST all the time and ignoring them. Kimmel tried it a few times that night and JJ seemed uncomfortable and finally pointed out the truth of the matter. Kudos JJ.
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Listen, Sawyer, I know you're all upset about Jack and Hurley and Kate messing up the little nest of heaven you think you created here. But honestly, think about this. You were perfectly content living day by day with all these people you knew would die in a mass slaughter, and you weren't going to do anything about it? They trusted you, got to know you, befriend you, accept you, and you knew all of them were going to one day die and you weren't going to tell them. Selfish? Perhaps. Are you going to hide behind Faraday's fatalistic "whatever happened, happened" statement? Obviously, something supernatural is at play here, but you're not interested in knowing how or why. That's ONE of the things about Jack that irks you so. Him wanting to know. Why can't he just leave things alone? James, do you not want to know because you're afraid it might mess things up with Juliet? The first real relationship you've ever had with the opposite sex that wasn't all about sex or a con? Well, yeah, I guess there's Kate, but how'd then end up? She'd just want to be with Jack anyway, right? We're getting off track a little here. Sawyer, I want you to understand that Jack/Kate/Hurley didn't mess up this "good thing" you had going. Fate did, or the island did. If whatever happened, happened, then you have to accept that THIS also happened. If you and Juliet are meant to be together, than this won't shake it. If this is just you guys playing house, and its not really REALLY real, then you need to prepare yourself now to lose her. I'm not sure you completely loved her, I think you were in love with the idea of loving her, or someone. You kept telling yourself you were happy with this. But I think sooner or later you and Juliet would've realized what is really going on between the two of you. If you weren't interested in being with each other before you were basically forced to become close, then how can you say that this is a genuine desire of the heart instead of being something convenient and co-dependent? Yes, I know James, this is long-winded, but Jack/Kate/Hurley should not be who you are upset with. Be upset with either destiny (she's a fickle bitch) or the island itself. And cut Jack some slack.
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Does "The Incident" activate her ability to see the future? She sure as shit doesn't seem to have that ability in 1977.
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I figure that this is OK since we are almost off the top ten. Let me know if antone has a problem with this type of advertisement. My guess is that those who did are off trolling elsewhere.
Getting LOST via TV Guide
E!'s Kristen: Lost: Does Sawyer Belong With Kate or Juliet?
Lost Redux: Ticktock Knocks the Doomsday Clock
LA Times: Show Tracker: What you're watching
'Lost' Producers Talk Surprising Death (This is about Faraday, not a spoiler)
Results of Libby Poll
There just might be something on the Spoiler page also.
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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May 02, 2009 11:42:29 PM CDT
she may or may not have a ability-- just watch and have patience
by jay2517
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I heard JJ and Damon are planning on doing DARK TOWER after Lost has wrapped up - but only if they can sell it to a studio that won't balk at a seven-picture deal, you know, current economic climate and all..
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Notice I didn't use that other word, so as to attract a certain Dick Holder fellow. Anyways Perhaps the temple is outside of time and has doorways where you can go to any period in time that you like. When Richard said "the way to leave the island is very sacred" I don't think he was talking about a Dharma submarine. Maybe thats how Richard can jump all over places like 1956 to see baby Locke, or come back later to see young boy Locke or grab the man from Talahasse and bring him to the island in under a few hours?
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through the submarine because she wasn't an Other yet. I don't remember Richard being onboard, just Ethan, so as to encourage the rouse. As Ben said, the Temple is only for use by the Others. It's ironic that Juliet was eventually branded with a seal that said she could never be an Other. Guess all that latin training is going to waste.
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to prove that the Others had been keeping their side of the deal.
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I think that was the best episode of Lost ever. I can see where Dan might not die though. Maybe Eloise sent Jack back knowing there was a chance that he'd be able to save Daniel after he gets shot.
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Proved my point. He doen't TROLL in TB's that aren't in the Top 5...once you fall out of the Top 10...or linger at the basement like we are now...He doesn't waste the effort...Cuz...He knows he's not seeking attention from ENOUGH PEOPLE to warrant a post here.
Now lets talk about to promoting Room 23...just cuz you make it a tinyurl address....doesn't mean you didn't PROMOTE it. I realize you are in your "secret identity" screen name papurrows right now...but when you plug ROOM 23 in the presence of trolls...you give yourself away as 4we8have15to16go23back42...which leads to FEEDING THE TROLLS.
My point is...I got to rant at that fuck hole...and NOT have to have him respond to my rant...that only prolongs the TB staying in the Top 10 LONGER....which brings me to...
If you rant at a troll in the middle of a forrest...does it make a sound? I dunno...but I feel better having done it.
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Yer just mad cuz I teased you about the graphic novel you've been working on for the past 3 years. If you had a sense of humor...you would have known I was merely quoting ANOTHER lil bastard. Click here...and have yer speakers up (Mind the spaces):
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... why does Eloise blame Daniel for Desmond's shooting?
It's one thing to say that, by attempting to tinker with the past, Daniel was one of the contributing "causes" of Alex's death, and therefore, Ben's vengefulness.
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where do u get that from? cant a guy talk about his teenagehood/early 20's???
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What Daniel did WAS wrong in Eloise's mind...as what he was attempting to do is make it so Desmond is ABLE to make it back to the Swan in time to push the button. Daniel was trying to make the Swan NEVER happen.
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May 03, 2009 3:07:20 AM CDT
one thing.... how did 815 ever get off course to BEGIN with??
by jay2517
thats never been discussed. the pilot just said they were "off course". was the island course correcting then??
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Hawking isn't Penny's mom, she's only Daniels Mom. The off island afair was between widmore and penny's mom.
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May 03, 2009 4:12:25 AM CDT
I don't see how some people think the show got better after S3.
by frodofraggins
The "plot" has barely advanced at all. How much has truly changed since the end of S3?
Darlton have spent two seasons essentially placing the main characters in the same condition they were two years ago. Plotwise, the O6 arc is a complete waste of time. Yeah it's a character driven show, but you can't just put the plot and mysteries on hold for two years.
I think I'd be much less disappointed with the last two seasons if TPTB simply obeyed the following rule:
"If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there."
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It's pretty funny but also pretty accurate in ways you aren't thinking about.
I always chose TPIR over soaps, because soaps are poorly written, poorly plotted drivel.
I expect the writers of Lost to learn from others mistakes. I think they would have done better to pay attention to a show like Babylon 5 rather than the X-files. As much as I enjoyed the early seasons of the X-Files, my enjoyment of the show became tainted once I realized that Chris Carter didn't have any grand plan and was just trying to create a cash cow that wouldn't need to end (just like a soap opera). Hell, Carter even thought the show could succeed without Duchovny and Anderson.
Anyway, my expectations for lost are based on Damon's and Cuse' supposed understanding of the issues with the X-Files and some other arc based shows. They claimed they wanted each season to be self contained, like each Harry Potter novel, but still be part of a bigger whole. But they kind of forgot the fact that they shouldn't bring up mysteries they don't plan on addressing any time soon, if ever.
Anyway, the way I feel about Lost is how I felt about the X-Files around season 5 and how I felt about Robert Jordans "The Wheel of Time" series around book 5 or 6. They were stories I thought started great but I became disillusioned with when I realized their creators were milking the story and were focused more on introducing dangling threads rather than addressing the existing ones. -
it was Daniel who told Desmond to find her - if not for Daniel, Desmond would still be blissfully sailing the seas with his wife and kid
instead, he winds up in LA and (rather coincidentally) bumps into Ben - who is on a mission to kill Penny...
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Whilst I have enjoyed season 5 less than season 4, I think it's on track and not treading water. I hope the last episode of the season puts the last pieces in place and gets us set for a rollercoaster ride last season. Hope they learnt from BSG and how not to finish a series . Season 4 of Babylon 5 is a better example.
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Has it really only been a "few days" since Kate, Hurley, and Jack showed up in Dharmaville? If so, and they were supposed to come in on the sub, how does Daniel return so soon? I thought the sub only comes in once every few weeks? Also, how does Daniel already have a picture of the new recruits on that flyer/brochure? How the heck is he supposed to pick one up in Ann Arbor within days in 1977? It's not like they had faxes or anything 30 years ago! The only obvious answer is that the action in the last episode takes place a few weeks after Jack and co return, not just a few days. Anyone got any thoughts to add?
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I wouldn't judge it completely yet. There were a few mediocre episodes in season 4. Lets see how these next two weeks go before we make a call.
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that's what the picture looked like - a fax - I didn't think much about it at the time, assuming Dharma had access to fax tech in the mid-70's
even though the fax didn't really become popular until the mid-80's, it has been around for a long time - in fact, the first COLOUR fax was sent in 1924!
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him walking around the island when they were dislodged from time. Sitting by the shore and see The Black Rock crew coming ashore. Then have him see Richard as crew member. That would have been awesome.
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Just read Doc Jensens review of the Variable and really enjoyed his speculation for the season final, worth a read if you haven't .
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May 03, 2009 9:46:50 AM CDT
Anyone heard any other great speculation for season final ?
by miyamoto_musashi
Please let me know ,keen for speculation and not spoilers .
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Maybe the sub left right after it dropped off the the new recruits and toke with it the photo and other needed records and corrispondance to keep on file at the Ann Arbor headquarters? Which for some of the greatest minds on earth its kind of silly that they would only have one sub to get back and forth. What is a hostile blew it up, then they would be stuck on the island. Well I guess they could use the Flame to contact Headquarters, but really they should have had more.
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Although my thoery goes out the window with the trailer for next week since the sub was there and it hasn't been two weeks yet. Lets speculate. There was a scene where Dharma people were leading Sawyer & Juliet on the dock to the sub, my guess for banishment. What do you think happens to them. My guess is they ether get sent back which would cause problems ether with them trying to get back or even temporal problems. Or they fight the Black Swan people, jump into the water and swim off. Probably the later. What do you all think?
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I could speculate on the finale but then YOU would have to kill me. I know to much.
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Perhaps Eloise gets caught in the same time altering electromagnetically charged event that sent Desmond sailing through time. AKA The Incident (well, Desmond's would be Incident 2.0). Eloise seemed somewhat unstuck in time as she showed up as an avatar during Desmond's travels. She was part of it yet commented on it. I can't see how this happened unless she was like Desmond in some way.
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Maybe he's done that with Dan (I don't think so, but whatever), but he wasn't like that in Secretary or Dogville (admittedly I didn't watch all of Dogville - Von Trier is an ass).
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so I made a Wordle of this talkback. Look! http://tinyurl.com/lostwordle
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What distracted me was an early continuity shot error with Daniel in front of the TV (in the 'previously on LOST' introsduction) compared to the dialog with Charles Widmore. Daniel's haircut reminded me of Pamela Ewing's haircut back in the eighties when she woke up and had a surprisingly alive and well Bobby under the shower. It just didn't match halfway. Same here with Daniel. So production error or intent? It's as irritating as him having changed clothes on his way with Miles. Distracting! On the other hand a good and intriguing episode - though not as spectacular as wanted it to be. It was not another CONSTANT-Classic!
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That's a good point; hadn't even thought of that.
One thought...could that have been surprise that it was actually his momma who pulled the trigger? He seems to have his shit together knowing a lot of other past events. Could he have been aware he would most likely die, but just didn't know Eloise was the killer, and that's what 'surprised' him? Seeing as she pushed him to go, in his last moments he put two & two together and realized she always knew...because SHE was the one who killed him?
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I noticed Dan's hair too! Fucking dis-TRAC-ting indeed. And it seemed like such an easy fix (unless, like you say, it's intentional and means something more. Hmmm...).
And it's true, little details like that slip through the cracks on ANY major network show and usually get brushed aside (everyone makes mistakes!). But with a show like Lost that makes 'continuity' its bread and butter, something like that is just another bomb to be lobbed by haters looking for any excuse. I'm all for haters making a point, and character choice or plotting decision they think didn't work...it's the nitpicking of the little stuff that couldn't really be avoided anyway (finding period '77 construction equipment in Hawaii that was on screen for maybe 15 seconds, for one) that gets me. It's like on these TBs, when someone doesn't have an actual arguement against someone or a justified point and just blasts them for all the grammatical/spelling errors in their posts; just kind of a dick move.
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I as well noticed Daniel's hair while he was watching the 815 footage, and it did not look the same when Widmore came by. But what was the controversy about Daniel's Dharma jumpsuit? Weren't some upstream saying it changed color? Because I just rewatched the episode and it looked the same throughout to me. It just looks much darker when he is in the shade. Appreciate your theories and input, pa and Maniaq. Pa - your screen name is bugging me, and I don't know why. The trollies are gone - you must GO BACK to 4we8have.....!
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Because Daniel left before the 815ers arrived
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He never had time to change into another outfit, he had on that Swan scientist outfit from the time he landed on the island all the way until he got shot. He was in constant movement from the beginning on
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I think what they are getting at with the sub is How did Daniel get that picture of the 316"s in Dharmaville when they had only been there for 4 or 5 days and it takes 2 weeks to go back & forth with the sub.
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... thanks for those insights.
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I actually had been thinking of changing back for awile, but if people like 4we8 better Im happy to oblidge. What does everyone think should I go under paburrows or 4we8have.......?
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So for you I ask for speculation re Season 6 opening
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I feel like the show right now is like Locke before he died...just wondering around trying to find a purpose. And we the viewers are just sitting around waiting for that to happen. A lot of things are happening but where's it all going? What is the end game? What are they building up to? Does anyone on this show still care about finding out the mysteries of the island? What exactly is Jack's destiny? If Locke knows his destiny now, what is it?
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Actually while I do know some big things I don't know what the big game changer (Fork in the outlet) for the finale will be. My guess is that season 6 will be the remifications of "the incident" since that the title of the finale. It will be the big "War". Somehow Jacks group will ether return to 2007 or some possibly everyone gets flung to the future. Claire will be back ether alive, resurrected like Christian & Locke or a ghost like Charlie.
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Actually, one of the reasons that show dragged on for so long was because when Gillian Anderson renegotiated her contract she wanted her salary brought up to the same level as Duchovny's and Fox would only do that if she agreed to the extra seasons.Duchovny would only agree to come back for a few episodes each year, which lead to the whole abduction /Mulder on the run storyline which made the last two seasons so wonky. Duchovny said he enjoyed working with the new cast members and if they had done that earlier to lighten his and Gillian's workload, he might have not wanted out of the show.So: Fox wanted the show, Scully wanted more Money & Mulder wanted out. You can't really blame Chris Carter. Especially since they kept cancelling his other shows.
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Just a thought if this wasnt covered already.
If "The Incident" causes the Swan station to be pushing the button the next 20 years, what was it's original purpose before it?
And if Dainel is a scientist from the home office, why didn't Chang take him seriously about the drilling. (I know why he didnt believe the "im from the future line...but")
If Chang JUST saw potential hazards at the Orchid, why not just take a fuckin precaution? Still last good coupla of episodes tho.
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Ether Radinsky or Horace stated that the Swan was originally for conducting electromagnetic tests and studying electromagnatism. As for Chang maybe there was a rift between arbor & Chang or maybe it was just Faraday's twitchyness that cause him not to believe him? Thats probably a lot that we still don't know about Chang.
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Since Emilie De Ravin will be coming back for a big arch my guess is that we find out why some people came back as ghosts, some people are resurected, etc. Also since its the last season there will be a lot on Jacob and the season will revolve around Jack & Locke leadership of their respective groups. Just a guess.
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Chris Carter felt the show was bigger than Duchovny and Gillian, it turns out it wasn't bigger than Duchovny as he was the heart and soul of the show. Carter had plans to just swap out the main characters and keeping the show going for a LONG time. He may have been right if he went for a spinoff rather than just trying to replace the leads.
The X-Files was canceled due to low ratings, if the ratings held after the departure of Anderson and Duchovny, Carter would have kept the show on for god knows how long. -
Sounds good. Just wish they made that clear. I think that would be a good question to ask C&D at comic con this year.
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i hated to see faraday die but i loved the episode otherwise. i am ready to see the losties get away from the seventies dharma commune. that shit is kind of boring me to death some weeks. charlie is in wolverine. i saw it today and i hate to disagree with harry, but i kind of enjoyed the film. it wasnt citizen kane or 2001 or anything, dont get me wrong. im just saying that for a popcorn action comic book mainstream movie it was not too bad. i still love kate.
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for a joke, i think you should change your aicn name to "marl-burrows" because you smoke the competition my friend. how have you been pa? is it 2012 yet?
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Yeah it would, although if I make it up to the mike I plan on bringing up how they said that Libby's story is over as far as the show is concerned so right there to lay out what Libby's story was supposed to be. Why she was in the institute with Hurley, who her ex-husband was, etc.
I actually ran into them last year on the street and they answered a question for me. -
Thanks, What comes in 2012?
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Here's my favorite one: http://tinyurl.com/c4p3oj
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Gets the war going and we have some clear direction and purpose for the losties, hope for no new characters. Hope they answer some of the big mysteries before the final episode, to help avoid the last episode from becomning a checklist to see which mysteries were answered and what was the answer, see BSG final for bad example of this.
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I was kind of lost on some of the reasoning behind his actions. Does he want to be shot by his mother? Is he trying to get Chang to believe him or not? How is the detonation of a hydrogen bomb "better" than the original Incident, which we know know was obviously a bit different? Consider that Dan is planning to blow up an h-bomb but whatever the original Incident was, it was containable. I'm no scientist but im not sure you contain that detonation, even on that island. Is Dan trying to evacuate Charlotte and destroy the island so they can never come back?
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Daniel did NOT know he was going to get shot, period. Hence his surprise that his mom knew his entire life that she would shoot him. Daniel didn't WANT to get shot. He didn't know he was going to.
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on the show and the entire series has been jumping around in flashbacks; it has all been flashbacks. The "flashforward" at the season 3 end was still a flashback, but was the first time it wasn't so far back as all the previous episodes had been. It's the first time they jumped far forward (still in the past) and skipped a ton of story, only to show it later. The series is like a lever that you can push really far back, a little far back, barely back, and keep alternating that pulley-lever back and forth, but only in the past. If we ever get that future jump forward thats rumored, that may be actually jumping back to the present.
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Like, it was Alpert's present when Locke was there in 1954. It was Sayid's present, and Ben's present, when Ben jumped 11 months ahead and met up with Sayid. What's hard to think about is it was younger-Locke's present in 2004 at the hatch, and older-Locke's present from 2007 going back to 2004 watching the light from the hatch. Eh, this is getting difficult. I guess what I'm wondering is, we're always jumping around to who's current viewpoint is "the present". Will we at the end of season 6 see who's "present" the series has been? Or who's "past"? Know what I mean?
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Good point, and the present is the key to it. When Faraday says you can't change the past, he's right. But what he implied before his death is that you CAN change future. And, while the O6 and company are in 1977, everything that happens afterwards is, of course, the future. It's a good argument: the past is only the past relative to your present, as is the future.
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Maybe at the end we will see Aaron, Ji Yeon and Charles Hume travelling to the island in 2040
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When Kate, Jack , and Daniel were next to the sonic fence, why did Daniel argue that his grazed neck did not have a scar when he first met Jack. Of course he did not have a scar because the Daniel in 1977 was the "future' Daniel. In season 4, when we first saw Daniel that was the past Daniel. I don't know if this is making sense, but the comment that he made at the sonic fence made no sense. Of course he would not have a scar because it never happened yet. I dont think Daniel knows what the hell he is talking about!
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Thought Daniel was making the point for them it is their present so they can be hurt or killed
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re: 1000 posts! But it looks like Harry's Wolvied review should get there first. A shame, I tells ya.
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I'm there, I've been saying that for a couple weeks. The one thing I got out of the O6 recap was...when Ajira 316 is flying into the Island, it is night. Then, flash of light and Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid disappear, back to '77. Meanwhile, Frank lands 316...but after the flash it is now day. So they also moved (at least a half a day) through time. Who's to say it wasn't further?
Can you imagine, end of the finale: The Incident happens and bumps the Losties up to where Locke et al are. Seems everything's back to status quo...then another plane lands, or boat docks. Old or late-middle-aged black man gets out and walks right up to John.
Man: "Hello, Mr. Locke."
Locke: "Hello, Walt. You can tell them to come out, it's safe now."
Old Walt calls to the plane/boat. 5 twenty-somethings pile.
Old Walt: "Everyone, this is Aaron, Charley, Ji Yeon, Clementine and [Juliet's Neice]. Kids...meet your family. We're home."
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with the cast list that's been released for the finale, that doesn't seem very likely.
But maybe some character names given were misdirections, or they're holding out on listing these last-second cameos. Could be, could be... -
5 twenty-something pile OUT, that is. It's too early for no edit button.
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Would like to see Walt and the other kids as the new guardians of the island. Hope Walts story isn't over
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Razinsky sure seems overly paranoid about the Swan and its purpose for it simply being used to conduct electromagnetic experiments. If that is indeed the purpose than his excessive paranoia is either due to an inherent neurosis or psychosis on his part, his desire to conceal from the Dharma peons that they are screwing with a WMD in their backyard (in Hostile territory no less), and/or Radzinsky is privy to information (possibly from the future) that we don't know about.
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...and then vincent appears out of the woods with a crown of gold and takes his rightful place as king of the island.
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I could def see that scene playing out. It would not surprise me if Bram & Ilana and these other 316 idiots were grown up children from the "D. I. 70's" that we haven't met yet. I would think at least some of the kids (like Miles) get taken off the island before the electromagnetic shit hits the fan.
Darlton dropped our jaws once with a huge time leap at the end of Season 3....to 2007. I can def see them pulling that again...to 2027 or something like that. I really think we WILL see Ji Yeon, Aaron, Charlie Hume and Walt as adults before it's all said and done.
BTW...my home PC is acting wiggy...think it caught a viral swine flu! ;P -
Was a bit disappointed, but thats probably because it was mega hyped and I was expecting balls-out awesomeness of Constant-esque proportions. I consider myself a reasonably intelligent guy, but some of this time travel stuff has got me confused now. We are to assume Ms Hawking knew all along that Daniel would travel to the Island and die, and she did nothing to prevent this because...why exactly? Don't get me wrong, still love the show, but other than a few connections this episode wasn't that earth-shattering. Also, if Widmore is Dan's dad, and Hawking is his mom, then why the hell is he called Faraday?
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Because he was..."Raised By Another".
As for why Eloise didn't try to prevent Daniel from going back in time to be shot be her younger self....It's confusing to you...to ALL of us...because we don't know her motivations...yet.
WHY she allowed it to happen hasn't been revealed. When it IS revealed...will it make any sense? Have faith that it will. -
I like Davies in this role, but the fact is he HAD to die. The only way for the writers to avoid a complete Terminator/ST "time paradox" clusterfuck was to kill the twitchy bastard. You can't change the past damit!!
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That is all
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I have faith. Personally I think Des hit the nail on the head when he said something like "we're all just pawns in their game", referring to Hawking and Widmore. Loving that next weeks ep is Alpert-centric, if we got this whole season from his view, I'd understand it a lot more.
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Seriously, dahveed....I got Diet Dharma Dew all over my keyboard!
Exactly, Goldberg...pawns in a game...I think the Alpert flashback will go a long way to explaining a lot of LOST character motivations. -
Sorry if its been discussed but it came to me that maybe they are brothers more so than Ben and Locke. It seems obvious that at some point we discover that Christian was from the island. I mean why not? Maybe he left before Widmore or maybe he was around or maybe it was him and Jacob kicking back mason jars of moonshine till 1855 or something but that shirt he wears makes me believe he is a native of the island. Has anyone fleshed out the pros and cons of this?
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talkbacks to illicit 'attention seekers'. Peace out.
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for sending Dan back I think have actually been presented (not in a straight-forward way, but by inferring a couple things).
Her first appearance on the show was 'Flashes Before Your Eyes', when she wouldn't sell Desmond his ring because he 'didn't buy it'. People even joked (or maybe NOT joked) she was some sort of Time Cop, making sure things stayed in place. She is a firm believer in (or perhaps even a slave to) 'whatever happened, happened.'
She sent Dan back and knew she was making a sacrifice, because she knew he would die. Because she shot him. She lived her life on the Island, through the DI occupation, and then some twitchy little guy stumbles into her camp one day waving a Luger at Alpert, and she caps him. Pa-POW! As he lays dying, he tells Ellie that he is Daniel, her son. And from that point on, probably using Dan's notes on time-travel and causality, she finds out about time travel, and becomes obbsessed.
She pushes him to learn all the stuff that, through the magic of the time-travel-loop...thingy she already knows, because it already happened. In '77, when Dan brought the notes. And she pushed him on the path to go to the Island, knowing full well she's going to shoot him (remember her tearful reaction in that first flashback at the piano? PS, lots of people on Lost can play the piano I've realized...Jack, Ben, Dan...). Anyway, she sends him back because of that first point she made in 'Flashes'...she has to. 'Cause 'whatever happened, happened', and if she tried to change, advising him not to go to the Island w/Widmore, even let him keep on playing the piano...it would change what's already happened to her, and create one of those ever-so-scary 'paradoxes'.
That's the thing about time-travel and causality and avoiding paradoxes, as we're seeing with Ellie's dillema...it's sort of like a prison. (Don't shoot me here, everybody, but I'm gonna' pull a Jabba:) Event A has to happen to get to Event B. But the end results of B (in this case, time-travellers) has to happen to help create event A or rather, events that will help make A what it was for B. A Moebius Strip, if you will, unseen by those who only have info about either point. But for Ellie, someone who has knowledge of both, it's a grenade with the pin pulled ready to go off, and if she tries to touch it or change it in any way, it'll explode in her face. -
for the kind words. Just a pet theory, don't know if it'd play out like that...but man, it would be ridiculous if it did. We need more WAAAAALT! (but we also need more Libby, aaand...) Plus, let's face it; Vincent IS the King of the Island.
Cheif, I remeber you mention the Bram/Ilana connection before; I'm totally in agreeance on that, too.
PS: Sorry for my exCEEDingly long post above this! :) -
Yeah I see what you're saying but the whole logic of time travel on LOST suggests that paradoxes are impossible as 'whatever happened, happened'. So, that would mean that anything Eloise did, encourage, or not, dan would get back to the Island. Also, in the constant, when Des said to Dan in the past "I know about Eliose", why didn't Dan say "Oh, my mom...no wait, do you mean my mouse?" Just seems odd thinking about it,why would you immedaiatly assume he was talking about your time traveling mouse and not your mum?
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He was refering to the mouse because the mouse represented the time travel experiments which at that time only Dan knew about since it was before he had started to experiment on himself & Theresa.
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Course correction, totally. I think they've mentioned that before (by 'they', I mean 'on the show'). For most people, who don't have advance knowledge, if they try to change something, it might invariably 'fix' itself. But with Ellie, who has knowledge of the future (at least up 'till 2007, she says), she has the burden of knowledge. She knows what's SUPPOSED to happen, and she's afraid by changing anything she has previous knowledge of will screw up, despite the 'course correction'.
Eloise the rat, I think pa's got it. The thing is, we saw this episode Eloise the lady wasn't in Dan's life very often, so when Desmond mentions the name, he thinks of the only Eloise currently in his life...el rato! -
...Christian is sitting at the bar drinking having a chat with Ana-Lucia. The conversation finishes and Christian Stumbles out of the bar and into a side alley where he runs into Ben. Im not sure how this conversation really goes seeing as how we don't quite know what the relationship is between Christian and Ben but it ends with Ben killing christian and staging it to look like an accident. What makes me feel this way is because of how Ben stopped Locke from killing himself just so that he could then kill him, which would go along with what Jack was told, that they needed to replicate as much as possible if they wanted to end up back on the island. I know that in and of itself it wouldn't be that huge of a revelation per se, but I think we would learn a lot about both Christian and Ben in that conversation.
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Why would Daniel name his Rat after Mommy Dearest? Out of spite since its a rat and he's experimenting on her or out of affection?
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I think that's dead on. But how 'bout that situation, only replace Ben with Widmore? 316 had different people playing different 'roles' from 815. Perhaps Ben did to Locke what Widmore did to Christian?
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...now my head just blew up.
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Am hoping when Jack meets Christian on the island ,Christian gets a flashback
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I know we're all on the "anything's possible" train right now... but where's the sense in there? Why would Ben Linus be surprised when Oceanic 815 crashed on the island when he planted Christian/Jack to be there. And what for? He doesn't seem to want the Oceanic's on his island. And Charles doesn't seem to have any reason either to kill Christian to have him and Jack in a place he (Charles) can't seem to find on his won. I smell no sense in it - though... it could be true... Everything's possible...
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on his OWN of course... Damn, don't drink and write...
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Daniel is dead and his mother knows it - always knew it - probably the reason she tried hard to keep her distance, not get too attached to her son - coz she has the Cassandra Complex...
The Wid knew it - they both understood you CANNOT change the past and that the universe will find a way to make sure whatever happens happens - again, a popular theory about time travel, in particular the Grandfather Paradox/autoinfanticide - the Novikov self-consistency prinicple - or "destiny" -
http://shrunklink.com/ciqv
yes. I am a Determinist. "free will" is an illusion we have all been programmed to believe in and it is impossible to "break free" from our programming. ironic, really - but anyway, I'm not here to discuss philosophy!
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Though I don't think Ben had time to kill Christian and then return to the island before 815 crashed there. Oh, wait a minute, time isn't a constant on the island .... maybe he did!
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We have Jack trying to change things with Faradays book and we have Locke & Ben on their own mission. Which of them do you think will cause everyone toreturn to the same time period?
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No more trolls
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Lol!! Seemed no one really liked his books anyways! Anyone else feel like that book club scene from Season 3 foreshadowed (mirrored) the scene from the last episode...with all the Losties sitting at Sawyer & Juliet's place...a hostage tied up in the closet...Dan, Kate & Jack talkin about goin to pay a visit to see the Hostiles...Sawyer trying to figure out how to preserve his little 'white picket fence' existence with Juliet...but slowly realizing, that things were never going to be the same again.
Same feeling I think Juliet was having when 815 roared over head, disrupting the quiet, pleasant 'book club' meeting. Could they have known, as they watched 815 break up into 3 pieces, that things were never going to be the same again? Those two scenes struck me as very similar.
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while I was posting my nonsense. I think it will be a combination of BOTH parties efforts to get everyone back in the same time/space continuum.
But I think we're gonna hafta wait 8 looooooooong months to find out if it worked. -
I got the same feeling when I saw Jack & group sitting around discussing plans.
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That could be true, but I was thinking about that and how would both groups know weither the other is doing their part and how would they both do it at the same time if thats needed?
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fuel for their vans on boats to the island. They also joked that Vincent is Jacob and didn't get nose bleeds. We will hear the name Alvar Hanso again. Amy & Paul were really just having a picnic.
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That both parties figure out they have to do SOMETHING in each of their respective time periods...at exactly the same time to set everything into motion that will bring the 70's Losties back to the future (I can't believe I just typed that sentence!!!!).
I really can't see the need to bring Locke, Ben & Sun back to the '70's...Seems that would ADD another whole step of getting them ALL back to the future (there it is AGAIN!!!!).
I suppose that scenario could happen....but with only 19 episodes left until LOST is finished for...FOREVER....seems like it would eat up a lot of valuable time just setting up all those time/space/(flux capacitor)logistics.
Lookin forward to hearing that new podcast...but I gotta hit the hay tonight...alarms goin off at 5:45am for work! Post the link to it so everyone can listen to that...give us somethin to talk about tomorrow. Nite all! -
...leverage promo that they're running on TNT. It's good to see him in some other stuff.
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...but I also just saw him too.
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Unfortunatly the only place that I can find it is the Spoiler page of DarkUFO. http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/
If anyone can find it elsewhere post it here. -
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421
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Travelled to Nagasaki today (I live in Tokyo) and has a Lost moment, visited a very cool budhist temple, in the basement was a focaults pendulum , the third longest in the world
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I'm actually reading Focaults Pendulum at the moment, thanks to the recommendation of someone on these here TBs - this TV show sure does inspire a lot of reading!
(actually, that's what they were hoping TV would do, originally - I guess nobody could have predicted the WWW back then - ok except maybe Al Gore, if he was alive) -
Lol!!
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Plan on giving that book a go at some point, have heard it's challenging , very
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In the finale, along with Rose & Bernard or at least we find out what they have been up to I don't know what it is, but I don't think that its Cheifs suggestion.
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VALIS by Philip K. Dick. I'll never think about pink beams of light the same way. Also, I'm still totally bernarding after a good nights rest. I think I may need to see a doctor.
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Terrible Tuesday.
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Dude you're alright? Had a shitty day?
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HoboCode's catchin' that 'Lost Fever', also known as the Terrible Tuesdays.
I should know, I'm feelin' it too. We shall persevere, brutha. And if other things are amiss, godspeed and good luck. -
Bernarded all OVER my lawn! And then they took a Valis in my bird bath!
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We could get carried away with this like the WAAAALLLTT bit from previous seasons! This Tuesday hasn't felt so bad - only one more day til LOSTday! Finale next week! Feels like spring!
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...If you've had a bernard for longer than four hours I suggest you consult a doctor.
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Luckily...I was wearing my Dharma Diapers!
Looking forward to Fringe tonight!! -
For some reason I have a guilty pleasure in comparing seasons of shows I love. This one is pretty hard because both these seasons strayed from the previous seasons in different ways. I would say the first half of Season 5 was a little better than season 4, I really liked the on-island action before the "flashes" stopped - but once the 1977 Dharma story kicked in, the show has lost some of its magic. This brings Season 4 virtually tied with Season 5. However, I really wasn't a big fan of the Season 4 finale so in the end, I'm predicting Season 5 will be the winner. I've noticed that Lost's alternate seasons have the best finales (e.g. season 1,3 and now 5)
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There is a detailed synopsis of tonight's episode floating around. I broke my rule and watched all 6 of the snippets they released. Looks to be a fantastic episode. A classic Hurley scene awaits for those who haven't watched them.
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One of the best episdoes all season. Totally pumped for the finale.
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...I think i may avoid the new talk back until after the episode airs, cause you know lostboytexas and dioxholster and probably some others will do their best to ruin it. Thanks for the heads up though hobo.
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Count on it. Cap'n Jackoff rellishes in that shit too. These pussies like to read the synopsis and then even if they don't post "spoilers' per se, they will give their "theories" on what will happen so they can come back pathetically and claim they knew it all along. It's pitiful.
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3:30 for TB. And seriously, thank you Hobo. I might chill out in the Room 23 Chat until my weekly Lost party, but I'll just stay away from spoiler city 'till later.
And yes, Fringe was ridiculously good last night. And the finale looks like it could be even better! "HE IS HERE"! -
I loved how that bald boss finally got his just deserts near the end. Wasn't convinced so much by the CG of the first combustion but that was my only very minor quible. I loved how Peter kept taking Walters stuff and how Walter kept freaking out about it. Great episode.
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Who is that dude. Is he Internal Affairs? I wonder what his affiliation was? Was he ZFT? Was he some government stooge trying to use pyrokinetics for a weapon. Was he talking to William Bell? Maybe he was with MD. And I wonder if Nina is really dead. Just how much of her was machine? Can't wait for the finale.
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Yeah I was wondering that Probably yes on the ZFT & working with William (Spock) Bell. Im guessing that Bell was who he was speaking with on the phone. Man Fringe agency has had 2 spies now. I was trying to figure out if that was a gun with a silencers or just something to knock her out that shot Nina.
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3:31...you wily fox. Bob Barker would be proud.
The thing about Harris, if he IS ZFT...I've just got this sinking feeling that if Bell is actually in charge of ZFT, we're gonna' find they're NOT the bad guys. They're just overly 'extreme' in their safe-guards and measures to protect from the REAL bad guys who are 'Invaders from Dimension X', if you will. So if charbroiled Harris was working for ZFT...does that mean Liv helped kill one of the good guys?
I just need that finale. -
Lost, Fringe Smallville Finales plaus probably the Office finale. Man thats one awsome week. To bad after that nothing.
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If ZFT is good why have they been killing innocent civilians with bioattacks? Unless they're just getting blamed for those attacks, or they're just collateral damage from the "trafficing of technology." It seems ZFT is indeed creating these super-soldiers to prepare for this upcoming war the manifesto talks about. Walter knew about it and said he was trying to "prepare them" for what was to come.
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May 06, 2009 2:36:52 PM CDT
Ace of Cakes has an episode where they show how they made the ca
by paburrows
http://lostroom23media.blogspot.com/
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I missed it, but heres a DarkUFO report
http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
One thing of note about the Comic-Con video
What appears to be Faraday's voice in the old Dharma video (with the chaos and Chang in the 70's sweats) is now deemed a continuity error. -
The best part though was the crazy Spock guy who was talking about all those conspiracy theories.
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