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Content At least Peter and Sylar get in some fisticuffs right? right?

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Content Sylar taking over for Nathan has been telegraphed not only all this season but this was suggested in the first season. So I would be very surprised if Nathan is NOT killed off.<p><p>The only possible twist I wonder is if Sylar will be the one who kills Nathan, or if the deed will be done by someone else. (Matt?) I could see Matt killing Nathan, and then Sylar taking advantage of the opportunity.

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Content Cause i've given up watching this show free to air...

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Content At least 24 is still going.

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Content A little more artsy than realistic, but then I liked the volume in general.

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Content And now watches it but continually bitches about its lack of quality? Yeah, good one Herc.

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Content ill keep watching that before this show anymore. its just lost its talent. would be a miracle to get it going again

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Content Haven't seen it yet. But how can Sylar and Nathan face off. Nathan can fly, Sylar is invincible and even pulled a knife out of the back of his head last week [his one weakness..]. Bring on Chuck finale.

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Content C'mon. Give it some lovin.

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Content I've avoided this last run, and was starting to regain a little interest after reading comments on here but if they are giving the fans another poor finale, then I am not bothering.

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Content while Chuck is a more entertaining show, this is assured a 4th season while Chuck sits on the brink. What a TV world we live in /facepalm

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Content I just feel absolutely no connection to it, yet I "watched" through the first few episodes of this season. I think I stopped paying attention by the second or third episode last season. It's a shame too, 'cause I really enjoyed it for a time in season 1.

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Content That's probaly what most of the cast were saying this year. Something we have in common.

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Content I'll be watching wrestling. Save us, Bryan Fuller. You're are only hope. Nathan, Peter or HRG takes a dirt nap.

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Content I don't give a shit.

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Content Priorities, man. Priorities.

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Content The writers stopped giving a fuck a long time ago, and so did I. I still end up watching the episodes eventually though. So sad that they made another shitty season finale.

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Content That is when I stopped watching...oh, and when Claire stopped wearing her cheerleader outfit.

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Content Good girl...bad monkey!!!

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Content anyone involved with this show should be thrown in jail.

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Content kill off every single character, change the name and premise of the show and hire Bea Arthur to write it from now on.

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Content BOYS 2

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Content The original shapeshifter had a closet full of clothes. When Sylar shifts his clothes shift with him not just his flesh. <p> Which makes that the dumbest shape shifting moment in tv history.

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Content Do we have spoilers on that anywhere?

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Content Both suffer the same flaw. <p> Lost just has deluded dupes who confuse acting with story.

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Content Because it's too difficult for the writers to incorporate the change of clothes into the story, and the plot at this point requires it.<p><p> Oh, and the rest of us are maniacally laughing at anyone who continues to place Lost and Heroes in remotely the same league. Please hop on Hiro's dick and go back to 2006.

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Content Anyone remember when that prick Kring was all about saying they were changing the show? That they'd listened to the criticisms? <p> What a knob-jockey.

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Content They've run out of things for their characters to do and they didn't groom any replacements. They tried to force feed us a few a couple of season, "mia and miguel" or whatever , but they didn't just let these people move in and out of stories when there were interesting and/or important. It's about time Nathan died if that's true... he was soooo soooo boring.

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Content I read that in the commentary for last week's episode, In the commentary for the episode, the writers stated that they allowed Sylar to shapeshift clothes to make things easier. <p><p> I have not confirmed this for myself, the source is a thread about the clothes changing on the 9thwonders message board.

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Content It's making this show look bad in comparison.<p>I like Heroes and all but Chuck has been consistently better.

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Content I was a big fan of Heroes when it started, like everyone. And the reason people liked it so much was cause we though it was going to start with these characters gaining their powers and as seasons pass, become superheroes. Kinda like seeing the X-men or Justice League. But the show just recycles itself every season. Someone dies and someone else gets that ability. I mean how many people have painted the future so far? Also people die and come back way too often. Also what really pisses me off about Heroes is that each season starts off with a big idea: New York being blown up, a virus that could wipe out the world, anyone with a power being hunted down. But as the season develops, it gets watered down and ultimately gives us a weak finale. I mean this season starts off with the Heroes being hunted down and will end with them trying to stop Sylar from shaking the president's hand? The only way the show can survive is if they really step up. People with powers need to be outed. I mean come on, how long do they think can can really keep people like that a secret. People have camera all the time and it would be on the news or youtube by now. So out the Heroes, make them an actual team, have some new villains. Any time there's a new villain, he gets killed off. I mean what a waste investing so much time with Adam, only to have him killed so easily. Have some villains. Obviously, you can't do so much with a limited budget, but you need to deliver better finales. I have read that Tim Kring isn't a fan of superheroes and doesn't want to tell superhero stories. But you have a show about superheroes. I mean you can still make the show character driven. I mean that's what comic books are, they are about the development and the study of a character. Until they get more creative (stop copying things like The Fly) the show might as well end. I mean Suresh and Nathan have flip flopped side so many times. Sylar has every power known to man and isn't taking over the world? They just need to write the show better. Get some comic book writers on there. I have always laughed when people would say that Heroes was better than Lost. This was when Lost had that one season were people bitched about it dragging. Lost is a far superior show. The writing of Lost puts Heroes to shame.

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Content Make it so that aliens laid the blueprint for super powers in our DNA years ago (maybe make it so that they need this so they can breed with us) and are coming back next season to reap their crop. The eclipses that have had weird effects over the years are artificial and brought about by the aliens (and why they don't really coincide with the times that real eclipses are supposed to occur, and why they last for so f'ing long and aren't in locations where they are supposed to be). <p> Call this volume "Dark Harvest", like that one Invader Zim episode... and have super powered people fighting and fucking aliens for the whole season.

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Content Fuller needs to take over and tell the audience that each season has been from it's own alternate universe. Thats pretty much the only way to explain all of these inconsistencies.<p>Next season should have him in charge and they just pick up where Season One left off.

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Content At least make it campy shit.

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Content So, just to review for the slow kids, a recap of all of the usual heroes complaints seem to be present: OMG HEROES SUCKS NOW!!1 OMG LOST IS BETTERR!! OMG I QUIT THIS SHOW (NOT REALLY THO K?)!!!1 OMG TIM KRING IS TEH FAIL1!! Seriously, for a show that you guys seem to hate so much, you seem to be watching it an awful lot. Hey here's an idea, if you really hate this show and want Chuck to keep going, howsabout you ACTUALLY stop watching it, and ONLY watch Chuck? Oh wait, I forgot, then you wouldn't get your weekly bitching quota filled and you'd be forced to remember how crappy your lives actually are. Oh and Herc, hows "not" watching heroes going? Though just for the record: I've enjoyed Smallville more than I've enjoyed heroes this season.

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Content While I do regularly enjoy Heroes quite a bit: The shape shifting clothes thing is incredibly lazy writing, and I have actually enjoyed Smallville a bit more than Heroes this season.

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Content are both really dumb. Interesting subject matter maybe, but both are shows for children.

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Content Micah is exasperated and seems surprised to see Sylar shape shifting between himself and his mother, when in a previous scene Micah had just watched Sylar impersonate him to fool the bad guys, allowing him to get away. WHAT!?

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Content and Terminator:Sarah Connor Chronicles, which morphed from major-suck to over the season, is gonna get canned. This season of Heroes was bar none the WORST piece of shit I've ever seen on TV, and I watched Full House and Family Matters as a kid. My mind bends at the thought that a single person voluntarily watches it that isn't related to a cast or crew member.

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Content I meant to say "major-win" above after "major-suck."

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Content Not every show is strictly for so-called adults, my man. Some people enjoy having family shows they can watch with their kids. Crazy, I know...

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Content ...and then I'm out. What a crushing disappointment the last two seasons have been. I actually enjoy "Lost" more than this show now and - for me - that's not good.

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Content I thought the same thing. I assumed that scene was added later r added out of sequence. It's par for the course really. Much of what this show cranks out doesn't jive with the rest of what's cranked.<p> Continuity should be a high priority in a comics inspired show.<p> And re: shapeshifting clothes...LAME. specially once they've established that the previous shifter had a closet fuill of clothes for each i.d.<p> Someone might suggest that Sylar's TK ability might do the clothes, like Jean Grey could do, but I say that was the friggin PHOENIX. Sylar is no Phoenix.<p> Furhtermore, even in Harry Potter they had to wear their dupes' clothes and fake their voices to make the polyjuice potion effect complete.<p> Nerd alert.

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Content The guy went positively gaga over this show, all the while ridiculing BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. He doesn't talk much about HEROES anymore. Though he has quietly admitted that he was wrong about BSG...

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Content Cause I sure ain't.

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Content i never liked this show. ever. so many plot holes. every episode has a contradiction in it. what a waste.

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Content ... early in the Villains arc. It's a shame, the S3 promos made me believe they'd really gotten their shit together after S2. I couldn't have been more wrong. For the love of all that is good, don't tune in. Just let Heroes die with what little (if any?) dignity it has left.

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Content Three season finales in a row? That would be proof that Kring has just given up and started collecting a paycheck. That's just be self-parody territory.

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Content "...Better luck next season. I hope it’s not its last."<p>Why?! I'm serious. Why does everyone cut this show so much slack?<p>I mean, even the show's biggest fans admit that the good episodes can be counted on one hand, and that's without the use of a thumb. There is virtually no one on the internets singing this show's praises, yet every review ends with a "I hope it gets better" statement.<p>So, again I ask: Why? Is it loyalty to the genre? Is it simply that there's a show with superpowered characters on a big three network, and to abandon it would be disloyal?

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Content Oh my god they killed Nathan <p> You Bastards!

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Content This show is so married to their uberlame plot arcs, all of which are uberobviously ripped off, they never dwell on how cool it would be to have powers.<p> A good writer could do a whole episode on how awesome it'd be to fly, or be invisible. Anybody remember the issue of X-men when they were headed back from Japan on the Blackbird and Rogue said "Nah, I'll fly myself." Then she flew. It was a favorite issue of mine because it was different in pace and focus...it was soft focus. She saw the Shield helicarrier and threw a quarter in the window.<p> Everybody seems to hate their powers except for Sylar, as if to enjoy their abilities = evil. Imagine the narrative you could weave with an invisible character going where they're not supposed to or seeing what they shouldn't.<p> Lazy emmer effers.

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Content Wolverine and the Xmen have Emma Frosts toon clothes go diamond also. <p> What have writers and directors gotten that lazy? <p> Lost and Heroes do share poor inconsistent revisionist seasons. The tail section cast is comparable to Peters Irish chick lost in time.

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Content And that was what made season one. Hiro's geeky exuberance over his abilities and his goofiness when meeting others with powers.

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Content Was that enough for you? not me.

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Content He doesn't need blood to bring people back to life he just fists them!

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Content That Irish dude holding the box of Peter's secrets over the fire... Remember that this was when Peter was all powerful, yet for some reason he let himself get blackmailed because they guy might drop his box in the fireplace. RETARDED. I'm gonna watch this episode but then that's it. Adios Heroes.

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Content Season 1 was so fun to watch. As they built up the quests and slowly revealed the secrets, it kept me waiting for the next episode more than any show had done in years. I don't think they can replicate that.

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Content THAT'S great television. And THAT'S how you bring a good show back to life.

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Content Writers apparently even admitted it in commentary. I don't give a shit how it's done on a cartoon... this show is supposed to have its own internal logic and rules. I wouldn't care if they had said from the beginning that changing the clothes is part of the shapeshifter's ability... they took a lot of care to show that the clothes remain the same in the previous two episodes (and even in one of their Behind the Eclipse Q&A's I believe they mentioned they wanted it to be one of the qualities that differentiated it from the illusion power from season 1), then out of nowhere sylar's clothes are changing along with his body. No. Explanation. At. All.<p><p>Hell, I probably would have been cool with Danko commenting on it to Sylar and Sylar saying that he used shapeshifting + something else and that's how he makes his clothes morph. It's just one more example of sloppy, lazy, bullshit writing on this show but at this point I laugh it off along with the rest of the trainwreck shit we get fed week after week. I think the only episode I watched that I truly enjoyed from this volume was "Cold Snap".

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Content Really, it was a new concept when "24" featured a black man as president. Then it happened in real life, and now it has a "been there, done that" quality to it. That is how I feel about "Heroes" right now. Cancelling the show would be a mercy killing at this point.<br><br> Zachary Quinto is praying that the show will be cancelled. Now that he will soar to super stardom as Spock, the role of Sylar must seem like a let down. Does he have a contract to do "Heroes" for a certain amount of years? Can he buy his way out of it?<br><br> This may seem like a dumb idea, but why not put "Heroes" on hold, and create a "Villains" series? I don't mean like the gimmick they used before, but really make a spinoff series with a new writer and producer. Me and Tim Kring are done professionally.

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Content lately. But before i vent about that, I just have to say that I'm a bit bewildered by the hate against latino characters on the talkbacks. Between the "Telemundo Twins" on heroes and "Anal Lucia" on Lost, there seems to be very little love for us on here. What gives? Am i visiting the wrong part of the internet, is that it? Anyway, back to the topic at hand, yes, heroes has become such a disappointment, i still download the episodes hoping some radical change will fuel my interest in this series again. But no, every week the plot just staggers along, confused, while characters change from good to evil and back again. What is the point of it all? I bet there are many good writers on this TB who could come up with a much better plot.

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Content He could save this show.

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Content You've suffered through this turd to the end of the season and you've not even looked at Chuck season 2? For shame.

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Content then Josh Swaney came along and now everything is "FOR SWANE" as it should be.

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Content I'm a huge Terry Goodkind fan and even I can't watch that Legend Of The Seeker crap, talk about ruining a great story! As for Heros, I stopped watching half way thru the second season. My Mondays are Chuck, 24, CSI Miami, in that order.

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Content I took Micah's surprise that Sylar was a shapeshifter fine. If you think about it Micah could have assumed that Sylar was using the illusion power that Candace had (and Micah has been victim of before) to make people think Sylar was Micah. We never saw Micah witness the shapeshifting. <br><br> The surprise comes from Micah thinking it was one power but now realizing it's something different. I didn't think it was a lack of continuity at all.

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Content I, for one liked Ana Lucia... and Michelle Rodriguez will always make my mouth water. The brother and sister that were introduced in Heroes S2 just plain sucked... much like Nikki and Paulo in Lost season 3 (though they got a great sendoff episode) and Hurley is a latino character that we all love to love.<p><p>

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Content Or at least his head wasn't. I've grown tired of all the excuses for why this show hasn't been good. It seems they've pointed the finger everywhere but at Kring who at this point is the lone constant as far as I can tell. Not sure why I've been sticking with this show but I have a feeling after tonight I'm done. Too much good stuff on TV more deserving of my attention.

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Content Ok, I can maybe buy that as an excuse for his surprise. It still felt sloppy with the way they presented it.

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Content ...don't record it, don't download it, don't watch it online, and just let this show die. I have a feeling that people complain like crazy about it, but still end up watching it somehow. I'm onto strictly reading recaps if I want, because this show has always sucked. We thought they had their shit together at the beginning, AND THEY DIDN'T. They still don't. I hope it gets canned.

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Content Is it THAT hard to dump his sorry ass as showrunner? Maybe they're waiting for the season finale to air before announcing a replacement (hopefully Bryan Fuller), but this is a fucking no-brainer after Seasons 2 & 3.

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Content utorrent didnt do its thin. BUt to be honest i didnt care.we beeged the wrtiers. make ti better. hire soe comic book writers. wtach how the 4400 went from an amazing minis eries to a pile of crap. dont fuck up. have a continiuity expert. ah ferget about it. its done.

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Content Just like any underperforming comic with a good concept but horrible, Chuck Austen-esque, good-will-squandering execution, they need to cancel and relaunch this show. Same world, different writers, and a different, vastly more interesting cast with characters who would be in the 80th percentile on the Idiocracy intelligence exam.

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Content What if NBC greenlights a new show of his, and he wants to concentrate on that instead of "Heroes"? I hope for the sake of the series that Fuller doesn't bother coming up with another "Wonderfalls"/"Pushing Daisies" that nobody except for critics and talkbackers will watch. <p>Take a good look at "Heroes", Fuller. It's a hit, and if Kring keeps sucking, sooner or later it'll be yours. All yours. At least, one can hope.

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Content I can understand not stopping to swap clothes for a shot. Sure it is lazy but at least there is a logic. <p> The toon has no excuse. The character is drawn. Draw the clothes. <p> I would say both suffer from lack of pride in workmanship. Idiocracy in action.

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Content the minute they saw the scene where Sylar shapeshifts into bennet's wife a few eps back. he was supposed to be calculated and menacing.....but i saw him wearing a woman's jacket and pants and stuff and it made me laugh.

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Content I thought you were saying that since they allowed Toon Emma Frost's clothes to go diamond along with the rest of her, that it was excusable for Heroes. I agree, just sloppyness in both situations. I'm pretty sure she does the same thing in the Wolverine movie too, from what I've seen in the previews... but lets not discuss that abomination. What does she do in the comic? Does her body become diamond while her clothes remain normal?

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Content I also laughed at that scene, but I thought it was cool that they showed it.<p><p> When they first found the shapeshifter at that club, I thought it was going to turn out that he was galavanting as one of the chicks... but then I remembered I was watching Heroes and not Nip/Tuck...

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Content All of a sudden Hiro's time-stopping and time-traveling is causing him threatening headaches? Gee, I wonder where they got that one from?

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Content "When two of our power players finally catch up to Sylar, there’s an epic battle. Viewers won’t see a second of it. It takes place behind closed doors. <p> "Give series creator and writer Tim Kring credit. That's one way to save money on CGI effects." <p> Sorry, guys... :(

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Content I admit I ribebrnecked the last two seaosns out of sheer boredom, but I'm done. tonight will be my last Heoes episdoe, regardless of whether it returns. It's stupefyingly bland and illogical at every turn, the charcaters are unlikable, the actors are atrocious, and the writing (Fuller excluded) is a fucking joke.

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Content Sounds familiar. As in the exact smae thing they did with S1's penultimate episdoe where Sylar and Peter had a battle behind closed doors. Wha tan emabarassment this show has been. This has set back the genre many years over. Thanks Kring. Fucking hack.

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Content If her "dreams don't lie", why does she seem so frantic in that clip with Matt Parkman?

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Content not by the shape-shifting ... I suspect that it was disturbing to watch the guy using his power for crazy-time conversations with his dead Momma

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Content How are they ripping off of Lost? This show has shown headache-like problems when dealing with suppression of powers. Look at Matt Parkman early on. I looked at it like Building 26 must have some power-suppressing thing similar to the Hatian or the specialized cells at Primatech.<br><br>Of course, if I'm wrong and it just has to do with Hiro not being able to use his powers so much (something many fans asked for) then oh well. Lost isn't the first show in the world.....everything is ripping off something older.

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Content I'd say that the actors are pretty good on this program. It's just that they don't have good material to work with anymore. There's only so much they can do with the poor writing. It's painful to watch these talented performers have to embarrass themselves with such dreadful dialogue week after week. They can't possibly know who their own characters are anymore.

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Content Save your time and just watch this video of the final five minutes of the finale, its really all you need to see... http://tinyurl.com/bqqrvx

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Content Another fight with Sylar "behind closed doors"? WHAT. Ugh. It was mildly cool the first time they did it, because we thought they were saving it for the first season finale (instead we got Peter PUNCHING Sylar). This is too much.

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Content Meiosis, fertilization, mutation and genetic recombination are the reason 7 billion people are unique. Any aspiring biologist could tell you that. Where did Mohinder get his degree?

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Content I agree with you. "Lost isn't the first show in the world". And all artists do, in fact, steal from others. I guess, it's just that LOST just spent a season exploring the dynamics of time-travel in so much more careful and credible a way than HEROES has. LOST time-travel came with severe risks - the nosebleeds and dizziness being the first signs. Now, out of the blue, Hiro on HEROES is getting nosebleeds and dizziness. Just seems a little fishy is all. Anyway, hopefully the detail in question will work as an improvement to HEROES.

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Content the BH's review. I didn't mind Peter v. Sylar behind closed doors in 5 Years Gone, because that was perfect how it went down. It was a tease for bigger and better things. But it symbolized Heroes for the past season and a half; promise, done in by crap writing, decisions to not have people come back, getting rid of almost the entire season 2 roster of new talent, save for, of course, MAYA. *grrrrr*.

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Content is it strictly a budget concern? I've been waiting for an all out battle between two powered people......but it seems like all we ever get are glimpses. the sylar/peter stuff coulda been great....some of their "teases" left me wanting to see more.....but i'm waiting for a big battle. <br><br> If the problem with showing a big fight is the budget......why not cut down on everything else for an episode. I'd rather see an episode with 30 minutes of non-CG character development followed by an all-out 15 minute brawl between Sylar and multiple other people with abilities. Everyone using what they have at once and people getting hurt and things like that. Lightning shooting, explosions, TK throwing........i'm no action-nut but sometimes I'd like to see what these powers can do.

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Content you see......I was just basing my response off of your comments and assumed that you were just saying headaches from time travel were ripping off lost. <br><br>sadly.....(i'm ashamed to admit).....I haven't caught on with Lost yet. I started to get interested the last year or two and really wanted to get into it but DVD's have been costly, torrents take up too much time/space, and I don't like watching quality television shows on crappy quality streaming video from foreign sites. Therefore, I had no real idea about the time travel that goes on in Lost. I've wanted to catch up badly but I guess i'm waiting for a huge sale on the DVDs.<br><br>Reading your response makes your initial comment stronger.....I didn't know but now I see where you're coming from. It's not just a case of "Lost .vs. Heroes" but rather something Lost did right and Heroes seems to be doing wrong. Hopefully there's an explanation about Hiro's affliction. We'll see.

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Content And the rest of you mentioning other shows in here... apparently it can get you banned... hence the "2" after my name!

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Content Didn't Parkman paint some future that had shit blowing up earlier in the Fugitives volume? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they stopped having him paint the future, just can't remember if they ever addressed this again (I know there was the episodes where they drugged him and put explosives on him, but that was about it...)

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Content Didn't Isaac also paint things like NYC exploding, Micah trapped in a burning skyscraper, and Hiro fighting a dinosaur? <br><br>Not all the paintings exactly come true or are 100% literal. There's always something off about them......like Angela's dreams.

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Content I guess if people still want to compare the days old stuff that was thrown in the trashcan with the freshly made food on the kitchen counter, thats fine. <p> Kring gave some interview during the first season of HEROES saying how they don't want to make the same mistakes LOST has made. <p> What mistakes Kring? Did you mean you want to make a whole set of your own? Because you're doing a great job. <p> And whats even better is when you start sucking so bad you steal ideas from LOST, the show you guys supposedly have learned from the mistakes of.. <p> LOST has waivered from A+ work to B- or C+ work from day one. Heroes started in C work and has gone down in grades from there. It now has a below-F grade and needs to be held back or kicked out of school, period.

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Content but anytime it seems to start gaining focus and begins to start showing signs of being a well-thought, intriguing hour of television......the storylines/motivations change like 3 or 4 episodes later. too much changing in the middle of volumes makes for confusion. I understand everything that's going on........but having to explain to my mom or co-workers (who watch the show) what is happening gets annoying.

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Content The last episode before "Fugtives" started, wasn't the president white?

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Content He was shown as the President towards the end of the last volume I believe. Brief cameo. Perhaps he was just voted in........or is a shape-shifter. I find it hard to believe the Sylar is the first person with abilities to want to take over as president......but whatever

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Content Wasn't he supposed to be dead at the end of the first season and the end of the second season? How BAD is this show?

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Content I figure the dead for good character will be Angela, but I hope it is Hiro. His character and storylines have become really annoying. They are easily the worst part of the show and the quality of the show has gone real down hill. A lot of the time I tend to fast forward through his scenes.

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Content and now morphs into the Buffoon. Stupid, maybe, but better than anything else Heroes is doing right now. I will be president! (morph) I looked at my asshole in the mirror today! It blew my fucking mind! (morph) You can't stop me, Nathan. (morph) One time I ate my neighbor's shit!

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Content I bet you got real hairy balls.<p> Thanks for the hardest laugh I've had in a week.

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Content I just about threw my remote at the TV.

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Content He's become, dare I say it? -- the JarJar Binks of HEROES. And, yeah, I've gotten the really uncomfortable Asian/Japanese negative stereotype vibe about the way his character is written now. I would advocate something radical (among the many things I would advocate changing on this show): Kill off the present day Hiro, but have him be replaced by Future Hiro (how does this paradox work out? I'm sure it could be worked out). Have Ando go on his own -- preferably I'd like for him to lose his power, and then team up/work with Noah. Ando is cool, but I think he was perfectly fine (though under-utilized) when he had no power.

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Content Any Marvel Comics character has a very easy 'out' for how their clothes can stretch/ignite/shrink/etc...'Unstable Molecules'. Dunno where exactly they came from, not really sure exactly how they do what they do. Pseudo-sci-fi at it's best. Blame Reed Richards (and by extension Stan Lee). Not the best explination, but at least A explination.<br> <br> Maybe Sylar just realized he didn't have to change clothes at one point and could just morph his body into whatever 'exterior skin' he desired. That's what Mystique does. But, that would mean Sylar's always naked. Naked Mystique = just fine. Naked Sylar = eww.

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Content How many posts will there be during the show. This has by far become the saddest talkback on the site. Will there be more than 3 live posts during the broadcast?

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Content Yeah... because The Deseret news is such a huge news outlet. <BR><BR> I was a fan back in the day. Now... I'm just done with it. If the cancel it, they cancel it. I'd rather watch Chuck anytime over Heroes.

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Content For those of us who want to quit this show after tonight's finale, maybe we should use this TB and future HEROES TB to keep a pact with one another to avoid watching the show next season. In the TBs, we could encourage one another to check out a new series instead, for example, to replace one's time that would have been spent watching the fourth season of HEROES.

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Content I think I made it 4 or 5 episodes into S3, then decided I'd just wait for the end of the season and catch up then. Is it even worth bothering? Honestly, the last time the show really seemed like a good show to me was the episode before the season 1 finale.

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Content Must be Bad TV, but the same network wants to cancel a less expensive show that is much more interesting and fun (might that be Chuck?) Damn...I used to like heroes...now I hate it because if they didn't renew this steaming turd...we might have seen the best season yet from the crew over at the Buy More. Oh well...nice to have known you NBC

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Content Then changed and given HRG's ass a pounding. Now that would have been humiliation.

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Content ...That says if you can imagine it, somebody online has already created porn of it? Maybe if we google HRG/Sylar slash fict, somebody has already written it.

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Content ANOTHER Shitty season finale? Good grief, what the fuck is wrong with Tim Kring? We should've seen this coming. I said it, didn't I? Any season finale, hell, any EPISODE this hack writes is a steaming pile of horse shit. Please, please, please, I beg u to FIRE Tim Kring as showrunner, this guy is bringing this show down, has no respect for the genre, doesn't understand or know how to utilize his own story plots and characters, and is just one big giant hack for hiring his own shitty group of writers. Thankfully u fired Jeph Loeb who was responsible for the flip-flopping disaster that was Vol.3. Now u just need to fire one more hack and hire Bryan Fuller or better yet CANCEL The show. Honestly, i have never seen writing as atrocious as whats been viewed on Heroes. Its pathetic...

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Content But only because it really IS that bad. I read an interview with Bryan Fuller where he pretty much gave the inside scoop. He basically agreed with all the hate against the show and its characters, saying he himself didnt recognize the show anymore. (Y do we still watch and accept this b.s?) He also said that when he got to the writers table all the writers were totally divided on the show's direction. People weren't getting along and arguing, and some were acting selfishly with characters, which explains the show's flip flopping mess. He said the writers originally wanted to kill off Tracy Strauss (Ali Larter)until he stepped in and stopped that. He hated her identical triplet "ghetto sci-fi storytelling" plot, which is what he called it. He basically tried to keep them from recylcing old plots and shoving their heads back up their asses. Not much luck as u can see. I dont think I'll be tuning in next season. I dont like wasting my time, and every minute I'm not happy, I'm wasting my time. Goodbye Heroes.

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Content is Ashton Kutcher<p> His char can have the power of taking a shit and letting the whole world know<p> you have to out shit the current shit level

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Content I guess Nathan really was the one to bite the dust. Oh well. It couldve been more suspenseful had it been a decent volume as a whole.

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Content Ok, I am not sure the confusing part about Nathan's demise. If the blood is drained from his body, how is Claire, or anyone else, going to save him? His blood is gone. Unless...

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Content I was talking about that nonfight, but I just saw Pennsy's earlier post

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Content remember clairs blood is a death reset button<p> Hiro could possibly die outside time, making him unaccessable...

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Content a little late for those arguing idiots

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Content Enough dude. We get it. U said it in Season 1 finale. U gave him a hug. U said it again in Vol 2. Then u said it again in Vol 3 before u tasered him. I love you, i love you, good grief. Give it a rest u back-stabbing politician who's-oops, now dead.

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Content Can someone give a summary? <P> BTW I read ages ago that Hiro was leaving/being killed off. Did this happen?

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Content Another AWESOME fight we don't get to see? A repeat from the "awesome" 5 years later episode?! FUCK you Heroes. Thanks for wasting my night...this is what I get after an incredibly awesome episode of Chuck.

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Content I thought he didn't need to kill people to absorb powers anymore

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Content so they are ripping off the Morph storyline from the Exiles comic book. They started by ripping off Watchmen and now they've sunk to ripping off an X-Man spin-off. How far they've fallen...

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Content I'm not sure about that but he did use tk to escape the 2 female fbi agents in that alley early season 1.<p> He flew straight up and out of sight

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Content Why can not she just stay dead.

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Content I actually liked that last bit with her and Nathan. It should've been more shot with a more suspensful direction though. Bryan fuller wouldnt let Tracy go after they ruined the Nikki character. They were actually going to bring in Barbara, lame...

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Content I think the bit about nathan and the blood (he bled to death. No one, even Claire, could have saved him) All in all the season finale wasn't bad at all. There were some awkward moments, but it wasn't nearly as sucky as some would have it.

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Content I thought the EXACT same thing. <br> <br> Also, Parkman pulled a 'Doctor Who' to get through the Secret Service agent.<br> <br> Also...Pete couldn't fly? But he had taken Sylar's powers? But Sylar flew in the window!

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Content ... in a museum or something when he ran into a T-Rex display and was trying to obtain his sword.

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Content Peter only got one of Sylar's powers it seems. That's why he made the comment in Worf's limo when he stabbed him with the needle.

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Content YOU SEE THOSE LIGHTS FLASH!!!!!!!!!??! At least Oeter finally outsmarted someone...<g> what an awful show. Fuck you Heroes.

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Content Gotcha; couldn't quite make out what Pete said.

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Content That finale should silence all teh doubters! Fantastic! Very sorry that either Sylar or Nathan is gone for good. The smart writing seems to be back for good. No more spoon-feeding the audience .. we're allowed to fill in the gaps ourselves .. for example, we can figure out that Nathan gained Sylar's power BEFORE Sylar flew away with Nathan - last season they would have spelled that out. And also, finally, Hiro is maturing into the future Hiro - a much more serious man. I don't know if we can bear waiting through the summer for the next episode - Worf as the President! Wow. (My guess at a subplot for next season is that Sylar's father is going to enter the picture - and that might trigger the dual personality - any other guesses?). Robert in DC Ah, now to watch my DVR'd episode of 24. What is Tony's story? I'm still depressed over his seeming turnabout - I'm not deciding whether to believe it until the end of season.

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Content every week you watch hoping something cool and worthwhile happens but ends up being the suck.

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Content into Nathan's veins. She can make more. If her blood can heal Noah's bullet-ridden brain, it can fix a simple throat slit. <p> It's just like Peter straining to open the vault with telekinesis instead of just phasing into it. This show's writers don't know what the fuck they're doing.

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Content WTF? He goes from jean jacket to SWAT outfit and then back. That's just plain old silly!

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Content Little known fact, Sylar actually wore womens underwear through all of the changes. That's what he was referring to when he said that everyone needs a hobby.

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Content Nathan dies EVERY season finale.

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Content someone was actually excited by Nathan's latest magical return from the dead? <p>this was worse than the other two Heroes finales, which is saying something. why didn't they let Fuller write the finale?????

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Content Nathan's gaining powers now? Wait, was he the senator guy or the nurse? And if this is better than last season, is that saying much?

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Content LOL. So true...Bet u he'll finally "die" next season finale...

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Content Here's hoping they get it right this time.

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Content I was expecting her to seduce the black agent. between DL and Idris Elba she's got jungle fever. maybe that's what she meant by you're number four? were they all really standing around while a human body gets burned? wouldn't that make you sick to smell the fumes? (or maybe hungry?)

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Content was something none of this show's staff inherited or was injected with. Mad Men is the Holy Grail of damn fine writing. Nothing happens, but that show is so breathtakingly well written it's scary. Not Heroes scary. Good scary.

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Content Hey,Claire,would you mind reviving your dad the way you did your other dad? Oh, never mind, we'll just magically repurpose the brain of this insanely powerful murderous psychopath so we can recycle the Nikki/Jessica plot for next year. Much better idea. <p>Yet ANTOHER hunk of shit finale!! Cancel it and let Bryan Fuller create a new superhero show situated far from Tim Kring's influence.

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Content ...depending on where they take it. I hope it's not just an excuse to get rid of one of the actors (although it likely is). I'm not sure I'm liking Hiro's story, but the idea of incorporating Sylar's history recall, shapeshifting and perfect memory (Hiro's diner gal) together to reinvent another character is a respectable choice.

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Content It would look much better though as whole had they not tried to kill Nathan in 3 different season finales and hadnt done the overuse of Claire's blood as a cop-out. But the idea of creating this new Nathylar character is pretty interesting. I just wish the writers hadn't bullshitted their way through the series like they have

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Content why wouldn't they just use Claire's blood to revive Nathan. Then you get the real Nathan, not just some asshole with Nathan's memories. Not that Nathan was ever that interesting, but Sylar had already gone from terrifying to boring in season one. <p> And Hiro's story just ends with "Let's go home, Ando"? Wow, kick-ass storytelling there!

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Content Fo real, pause that shit on his face when he shakes hands with sylar.

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Content While it wasn't exactly Claire's blood, Adam used his blood to heal Nathan. Also, they used Claire's blood to cure that whole Shanti virus thing. I believe those were the only instances.

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Content I didn't know the WET BANDITS had abilities. Where is Kevin when you need him.

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Content Man... Kristen Bell must feel really stupid right now, heh.

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Content They should drop that ability like a bad habit. It was the worst thing they introduced in S2.

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Content was killed off herself a month and change ago - Rebecca Mader. Kristen made the right move then, and she thankfully got off this turdpile of a show before they went all AIG, as in freefall in terms of quality and ratings. Bell's gonna be an A-list movie star in a few years, and four movies still in the pipeline for 2009. :)

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Content Possible if they follow the Mystique route. If Sylar is constantly naked then the "clothes" are just shapeshifted flesh that looks like clothing. The only screw up there is that we APPARENTLY see Sylar sorta getting dressed by fixing his tie when Nathan is unconscious. The counterpoint is that he's manually adjusting his flesh, which is just creepy. =)<p> <p> I thought that the episode was pretty decent. My complaints?<p> <p> - Michael Dorn wasn't given nearly enough to do.<p> - The casual ripping off of the Exiles Morph/Proteus storyline seems a bit blatant.<p> - Ali Larter's resurrection would have been more surprising if her broken head hadn't blinked in "Cold Snap."<p> - Yet another fight we couldn't see. Not the writer's fault though. With the required budget for that type of fight and a crappy economy, off-screen antics are preferable to million dollar shots.<p> - The uselessness of Ando. Really. WTF!?! They give him a cool power. They hint that he and Hiro will beat the snot out of each other. Then they puss out. Weak.<p> - Much too early to be so blatant about Matt's incompetent mindwipe. It would have been more suspenseful to have "Nathan" start acting weird in very small doses during S4.<p> - Sylar shifted his weak point. Okay. Let's face it. Sylar has an ability to rewrite his DNA. With shapeshifting added to the mix, he could have totally wiped out his weak spot. Moving it suggests an inherent stupidity on his part.<p> - They treated the Micah/Rebel story like a Ben Afleck & dead hookers. Figments of everybody's imagination. Totally weak of them to NOT give his character decent closure. SHIT! The kid saved half of their freakin' lives and STILL he gets no play. Like Chewie not getting a damn medal.<p> - WTF was with Claire about to leave while her dad & uncle were fighting Sylar. Bitch doesn't even try to break the door down? Poor baby is worried about hurting her arm? SHE'S A NIGH INVULNERABLE IMMORTAL. A bruised shoulder is the least of her concerns. She, more than anybody, could have endured Sylar's torture more than anybody else. Stupid blond. <p> - Angela's cheesy scream was 1 step short of a Wilhelm. Seriously. They could as well have used a stock scream.<p> - Is Noah retarded?!? The stupid "company man" was about to enter a truce with that sleazy Danko - the guy who, might I add, had a hardon for him the whole volume. Not buying it.<p> - For that matter, WTF happened to Danko (sp)? He turned tail like a Frenchman. <p> - What exactly WAS Sylar's plan? Stir shit up? That's it? Don't tell me that it was to become president. Clearly there are better plans. Somebody wasn't thinking this through. If they tried to play off his whole conflict as a weird "suicide by cop" then I might have believed that more.<p> - Angela is another retarded schlub. Sylar's got psychometry (touch memory). The moment "Nathan" touches her or something she owns, the Sylar inside of him would have recognized that mind wipe. <p> - Another Hiro thing.... HE'S A SAMURAI!!! Can't use his power? No BFD. Grab the nearest sharp object or long pole and beat the holy shit out of your enemies. They totally ignored that Hiro is a decent Samurai in S3. Any bit of that character development for S1 & S2 was negated by this oversight.<p> <p> What I liked....<p> <p> - Sylar's little speech to Claire. Gotta give it to the psycho. He DOES have a point. In 100 or 200 years, when every Petrelli is long dead, nobody will understand or empathize with Claire more than Sylar. The only perfect mate for an immortal is another immortal.<p> - About time that Hiro's little Deus Ex Machina was put in its place. He's had way too much power to be allowed to mess things up so easily. HOWEVER, I think that his situation is easy to fix. Baby Matt seemingly jump started a dead power. However, since the baby has no control, Hiro was left incomplete and incompatible. Ando is a power super charger. Juice the baby. Have the baby jump start Hiro. Fixed. .... .... Of course, that means that you'll end up with a crazy powerful Hiro. Baby + Ando = Hiro Reboot<p> - It looks like that Kring & Co have realized a LOT of their past mistakes. Stuff like restarting the Company & turning "Nathan" back into an unstable douchy politician puts Heroes a bit more back on track. <p> <p> I'm concerned with the whole "Redemption" concept though. That could mean redemption for the Company. It could mean Redemption for Sylar/Nathan - which would ONCE AGAIN be ripping off the Morph/Proteus storyline. It could mean Redemption for Noah or Angela. It could mean just about anything. Frankly, I think that the whole Sylar thing should be put to bed. Find another paranormal with Radioactive Ted's power and ash the bastard out of existence. That's better than any head shot.<p> <p> I'd give this episode a C+. As much as I complained about it, I realize that Heroes is a show you have to turn your brain off to watch. The characters are insipid and just plain retarded. Everything they do defies basic logic that even the most booze addled Talkbacker would have figured out. To enjoy Heroes, you have to think of it as junk food. It's a decent way to fill up your belly, but it has no nutritional value.<p> <p> The biggest problem with this episode is that it should have been a single 2hr block. Everything wrapped up too quickly and conveniently. There's no conflict because there's no time for it.<p> <p> For Heroes to REALLY get back on track, they've got to drop the dead weight. Kill Hiro. Keep Ando. Give Matt a happy ending and get him off screen. Let Suresh do what he's been doing, which is nothing, off screen. Ash Sylar. <p> <p> Pare the show down to the Petrelli clan (Peter & Angel), the Bennet Clan (Noah & Clair), Icegirl Ali, & Ando. THAT'S it. <p> <p> Ampute some limbs to save the patient. Heroes can only get "back on track" if it stops dwelling on the glory that was 75% of S1. Come up with new villains. Ditch dead weight. Make superhumans a rarity and not freakin' dime store candy. Intertwine the cast's fates as one single coherent story instead of everybody doing their own thing, only to improbably find their way together again. They're not strangers anymore. An ensemble cast can only work if they're allowed to act off one another. Right now, there are like 3 or 4 small shows in this same 45min show.

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Content Bwhahahaha Kring... we're laughing with you, not at you.

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Content Spoilers Ahead<p> Good:<br> -Claire asserting herself at gunpoint<br> -Peter's shape shift<p> Bad:<br> -Behind closed doors fight<br> -unnecessary Claire/Sylar talk about romance -not using an already established way of bringing someone back to life (Claire's blood) and instead changing Sylar <p> They should have left Nathan dead, kill Sylar (or not, I'm kinda torn on this one), and have Peter shape shift into Nathan to clear things up in DC. That would have been better than the crap the fed us.

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Content Bryan Cranston has been AMAZING this season. Its a shame neither Breaking Bad nor Supernatural get a talkback outside of the Zone.

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Content Face it folks, we have seen the face of Kenny from South Park, and it looks exactly like Nathan Petrelli. How many times can this guy die? I haven't watched this crap since early in S3, and the only way I'd ever tune in would be to see the series finale out of some sick, twisted fascination. What an abomination of a show.

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Content Technically, Sylar's core power should have been the only power Peter could have siphoned off. Some time ago & in an interview, when Kring & Co were asked to define Peter's power, it was stated that this was how it would work. <p> <p> Now that Peter's power has been rebooted it needs redefining yet again.<p> <p> Give Peter the ability to dupe the powers of only ONE PERSON. There's a difference between this and what he currently has.<p> <p> EXAMPLE (CURRENT): Peter touches Matt and absorbs his mind control ability. He then touches Claire and gets her healing, but loses telepathy.<p> <p> EXAMPLE (HOW IT SHOULD WORK): Peter touches Matt and gets his telepathy. He touches Sylar and loses Matt's power, but gains ALL of Sylar's powers... at a reduced/prorated strength level. He touches Claire and the weakened version of Sylar's stockpile is gone, leaving him with full strength healing only.<p> <p> This way, Peter gets lots of badass powers, but all at weakened outputs.

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Content .... DITCH DEAD WEIGHT!!! This show has way too many players. It has become X-Men. With 22 people on the same team, they're only going to get one page to shine each issue. Cut the cast. Save the show.

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Content With its premise and staff, all it had to do was SHOW UP to get praise from us. But the first season was as stupid as the others, we just didn't realize how little they had planned out beyond their initial ideas. The thought that this could get another year or two while Dollhouse dies is anathema to me.

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Content Heroes NEVER had a plan. It had a premise and some bullet points. Everything else has been ripped off from old storylines and cliches that only comic geeks would recognize. At, least with S1, we could still care about the characters and follow the storyline. Now, with Vol2-Vol4, everything is a mess. The stories are incomprehensible. There are no clear cut definitions of good and bad. The characterizations reek of bad video game writing.<p> <p> Heroes S1 got lucky with a couple of lucky gambles and a really catchy tag line. Everything after has been about riding on that single moment's glory.<p> <p> Heroes S2 & S3 is the old, fat Elvis. Bloated. Barely comprehensible. Happily waiting for the sweet release of death.<p><p> Here's can't ever go off message or stray from the plan since there never was one. <p> <p> Heroes would have made for a MUCH better minseries than ongoing.

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Content Sylar was the best part of the show, but over time he's becoming the worst. Now Quinto wants to do more movies, so Sylar is Nathan...until the Quinto cameo next season finale, possibly series finale. I saw this coming since Sylar got his shapeshifting powers, but I didn't suspect he'd "become" Nathan. I just figured he'd take on a new look to let Quinto take a break from Heroes. Tonight, Heroes jumped the shark. What a cop-out of a series finale fight. We already had a big fight occur behind closed doors in the first season's alternate reality episode. I'm done. No more Heroes.

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Content Did it ever explain or show how Hiro came to learn perfect english and have long hair in a ponytail with his samurai sword duds, etc? I believe he met Peter Petrelli on the train in that manner.

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Content That was so BAD! Seriously, a closed door fight? Everyone has been waiting for a Sylar showdown since that awful Season 1 finale and THAT is what we got? Wow. I am so glad that was my last episode of Heroes. I'm not going to waste an hour every Monday on that garbage any more.

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Content This season was more uneven and thrown together than the short writer's strike Volume 2. WTF? And this is the 4th time Nathan has died including alternate realites. This was the 2nd time Nathan was killed by Sylar. Nathan was first thought to have been killed by Sylar in an alternate future, after which time Sylar assumed his identity and ran for President. If you count the season\volume 1 finale, Nathan is believed to have died in the explosion. Season\volume 2 finale assasination. Season\volume 3, Peter travels to the future with Sylar's hunger and kills President Nathan. Season\volume 4, Sylar slits Nathan's throat. I think that was symbolic, because the show's throat was cut during this episode too. I think it will bleed to death slowly.

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Content She said she can't change the future as predicted in her dreams. Reminds me of Faraday saying you can't change the future while time traveling in the past. Why bother trying anything then if it's inevitable?

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Content That's it -- I'm out, too, gang. No more Heroes for me next season.

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Content ...that was utter shit. Closed door Battle Royale and the absolutely fucking lame reasoning in keeping Sylar alive.<p> Thank god my work shift is changing and I won't have to watch this garbage next season. Anyone who actually likes this tripe is a fucking moron.

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Content ...How many people would watch Heroes again if they cancelled Kring and gave Fuller the title of show runner?

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Content ...But I doubt this will happen. There's word already that Fuller wants to bail to run one of the new shows next season. I can't blame him -- he should be looking out for himself anyway. And I don't think Kring wants to go. Like it or not, he did create the show. So it's his baby to abuse, as far as he's concerned until NBC's execs step in and kick him off the show.

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Content They seem to squander it a bit in the end. Epic builds that cannot possibly pay off in show. Still...perhaps this is the end of the show?? thoughts? What am I up to? producing my own series geek humor with Safety Geeks: SVI sponsored by KoldCast.TV if you're inclined have a look http://www.koldcast.tv/video/forked_up for episode one

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Content Maybe I've missed something, but whom among the current cast actually KNOWS about Claire's blood? Does Claire even know?

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Content I see a lot of crapping on the finale. I guess that is to be expected. Me? I actually that it was quite decent. Aside from the behind closed doors fight (WEAK!!!), and what they're needlessly doing to Hiro, and that pussy Matt Parkman (DO IT, ALREADY!!!!), it was one of the better eps. I really like what they've done with Sylar and am interested in seeing where it goes.

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Content Just had to give some love to Medium and Chuck. Very good episodes. Although I do watch Heroes (sometimes unenthusiastically), those 2 shows are really the anchors that help to keep me on NBC. They're always solid and generally consistent and should both be renewed.

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Content Not to hijack the heroes TB but shirley manson was just on craig ferguson's show and referred to herself as "an unemployed singer and an unemployed actress." <P> Shit. <P> It'd be one thing if weaver was killed off but, looks like the show is really, really shitcanned.

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Content He hasn't had a good time of it with his own critically appraised, quirky but cancelled shows. <p> Personally I would like to see him do soemthing different, more intelligent and interesting, maybe put a "CSI" at the start of the name to keep it from being cancelled. <p>

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Content Personally think there is so much good source material out in the comics world to be made into TV, would be keen to know what if anything is being looked at or developed. <p> Am reading Y the Last Man TPBs at the moment, and this would make a great show, would prefer tv show to movies. <p> Preacher (has been talked about before), 100 Bullets, Fables (though would need decent CG budget).

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Content I swear to fucking christ most of you are as bad as or even worse than that Media Messiah retard on the Dollhouse talkbacks. Hell, lets rip on Heroes for ripping off comic books, but Joss Whedon gets a free pass he does it everytime. You guys are fucking faggots.

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Content "Juice the Baby"<br><br> I Lol'd.

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Content The last few episodes were certainly better then the rest of the season. The Exiles rip off was probably a coincidence but that was the first thing I thought of. Still damn inconsistant that they couldnt use Claires blood. Again no bad ass power fight. Peter only being able to absorb one power from Sylar was lame. Hope they explain next season why "nathan" doesnt have Sylars other abilities.<p> Still the ressurection of the company was good. The jury is out on Tracy no. 3. Next year could be better.

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Content First off, When they first used the idea you people bitched like crazy about it, now you're complaining that they *didn't* use it? <P> Secondly, Nathan wasn't in the same location as noah/claire/peter. After Nathan and Peter ran in to fight Sylar (which we Didn't get to see... way to fucking go producers, good decision...), Nathan and Sylar end up in the apartment angela was dreaming about, not exactly sure where... but not in the same building they were in before. <P> IMO the general idea was that angelas dream was actually parkman "saving" nathan by mindfucking sylar, too bad it's not going to last. <P> Next season will be our heroes struggling to leave their old lives behind and teaming up to finally get sylar and make shit right, Tracy may be a wildcard. I kinda liked how the Ep ended. even though we got nothing involving micah. <P> If they kill Hiro I stop watching.

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Content if you saw T:TSCC 1st season finale they had a swat team charge into a room, had a bunch of noise and flashes, then a musical sceen (was there a voice over? can't recall) with swat members flying out the door, over the balcony, into the pool.<p> No fights seen, guys run in, and come flying out.<p> And it was great.<p> Both of Heros big off sceen throw downs, sucked, bad.

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Content Surresh said to Hiro "you cant freeze time anymore or you will die"... something like that. Well Hiro DID freeze time one last time, so we should expect to see consequences for that, right? <br><br> Hiro suffers blackouts everytime he stops time... his nose bleeds and ear bleeds worse and its discovered that he has developed a brain tumor. <br> While in Japan with Ando he realizes that he can no longer stop time. His mind has compensated for the stress that stopping time does to his brain, and now allows him to merely slightly slow down time in a small area surrounding his body. <br> Hiro realizes that this is his destiny, to be a great sword sait, and figures that his power is a gift that allows him to outmaneuver his enemies while in a fight. <br><br> Boom! Bad ass Future Samurai Hiro is born.

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Content that scene was fucking awesome, the song was "when the man comes around" by Johnny Cash, they ran most of the song, the combat went for at least a min or so. <P> I can't believe they're canceling it.

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Content And you can always bring him back in the future for a cameo or a guest spot for when Nathan/Sylar dies... you see him turn back into Gabriel Gray. <br> For now just have this new Nathan BE Sylar... he just doesnt know he is Sylar yet. Have him go through the whole spiel of working it out on his own (after all that IS Sylars natural power), and when he finally figures it out... dude is gonna be pissed. <br><br> But being the evil guy he is, he will stay with the Nathan persona and fool as many people as possible. <br> Expect a twisted father/daughter perv moment when Nathan/Sylar comes on to the cheerleader. <br>

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Content Is If Hiro said "fuck it." stopped time and had a stroke, leaving him in a coma, and everyone else frozen in time. <P> *goes for another drink*

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Content And now with him actually being Sylar... those instincts are going to be amplified. <br> I fully expect the good Senator from NY to rise in the political ranks quickly... with his eye on the presidency.

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Content They had me really enjoying this episode, up until they made Matt Parkman pull the crappiest Undeath ever. My main cristicizm of this show is that they never move on from the original characters..which is what they should have done. The only way this show works , is when NEW things are being revealed that have not been seen yet. That is why S1 worked so well, it had the promise of showing so much more...but they keep fake killing the characters...I don't want a fake Nathan, just kill the bastard...that was a great death...but they keep bringing these people back...It's lame. I loved everything they did right up till right after his death...then the show started backtracking and spinning it's wheels again..And sorry, I am SO BORED with the idea of yet ANOTHER Vapid Ali Larter Character...ughh....Hiro and Ando...So sad to see such great characters so underused...he has so much potential to be this awesome character..but they keep handcuffing him. The whole idea that you can't change the future by going to the past is lame. Oh well, here's hoping they start to right the ship next season...but somehow I doubt it...

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Content I had the same kinda thought, only that he stoped time and said "see" then died. TSCC was an example of a pretty cool way of making a fight out of nothing. Even if they just changed the sets time to early night killed the lights in the room and have them light up every now and then in the dark with a bit of noise and some extra facial make up that would have been WAY better that glowing doors. Heroes is pretty much a null and void show now anyway, there just seams to no way of killing off anyone... well important. Even character that have died twice have come back *cough Tracy*. <b> I can't belive it i just remembered the last time that glowing door was used back when sylar and scarface peter were going at it an mohinder was holding it back..... MOTHER FUCKERS....

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Content ...is if it's just and hour of Tracy Strauss going down on Claire.

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Content We'll always have season 1. Screw the rest of it. Can't see myself watching this anymore to see what other convoluted shit they come up with.

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Content Claire, HRG, and the body all disappear during the mind-wipe. They way this writing is going, I'll bet they DID raise Nathan, and he is in hiding, to be popped out of the cake in some future episode (perhaps if Quinto wants back or some such). Would not put anything past the writers and thier video-game mentality of resetting dead characters.

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Content Because now Sylar-Nathan has to be able to fly, right? Also when Sylar landed on the balcony, they played the flying sound effect that Nathan and Peter usually gets.<p>So, wtf. How did that work? Did Sylar randomly empathically absorb Nathan's power? Perhaps from having gotten all of his memories too? Maybe they'll explain it in next season.

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Content Seriously, ripping off Douglas Adams right down to the bathub is no way to write a finale.

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Content absorb a power...he just kills out of pure enjoyment now, but I do believe somewhere in the last couple of seasons he either swiped that ability from Pete or his Papa Petrelli...But I do believe it has been established that he doesn't have to kill to absorb someones powers now. And I do have a problem with the fact that they never show Nathans body after the Sylar/Nathanizing...and how is Angela not completely berzerk after seeing her boys neck sliced open like that...don't know how she could allow Sylar to live...even looking like Nathan... I dunno, I am getting tired of the show's wacky sense..

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Content while I choose the "empathic power absorb" theory for how Sylar was flying.....another simple explanation is that one of the many "missions" that agent Traub (Sylar in disguise) had the team catching a person who could fly. Sylar steals his power and boom. there you go. We don't know what powers he got from the missions that he went on.

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Content I've watched every episode from the beginning. Following another underwhelming finale with more lazy writing, I'm out. There were a couple great episodes toward the end of the first season, but the rest has wavered between mediocre and truly awful. Budgetary concerns may explain the fights that don't take place onscreen, but don't explain the illogical characters and sloppy writing. I don't think it's gonna change. They've had plenty of chances to fulfill the promise, but enough is enough.

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Content That was last night's numbers from the Heroes season finale. Chuck was 3.5/6.

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Content I mean, how do you compare the amazing ending to S1, to this half baked lame piecemealed end...and the New volume didn't have me chomping at the bit either..how do they now know how to make this show cool??? ugh...

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Content ...Nathan and Sylar die (though Sylar's was a mental death), only to be quickly brought back again.<p>Does Kring think he's doing a George Lucas thing by repeating ideas over and over?<p>At least with Star Wars, you were seeing Luke going down his father's path, so repetition made sense.<p>Anyway, okay episode. Weak season. Michael Dorn got shafted. Yet, I'll be back for Vol. 5...because this show hasn't pulled the Fredo on me that it has many others (though I understand your complaints).

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Content ...the first time he cuts himself shaving and watches it instantly heal?

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Content LMFAO. The ending to season 1 was anything but "amazing".

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Content Somebody (above) gave it a C+, I'm in about the same place. Some good stuff, some lame stuff, some WTF are they doing elements. <p> I know they were trying to avoid Nathan becoming a victim of super powered people, but once I cleared that up (using the Sythan© stand-in) and put some political agenda in place, I'd smoke him in an "accident" (oh too bad, his car went off a cliff, and exploded). It's funny they get to keep the Sylar character, but now that ZQ may be migrating to movies, they don't technically need the actor.

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Content Oh wait it's Tuesday ahahahaa... But seriously we won't see it posted until 1 hr before the show starts... Lammmmmmmeee

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Content Let Warren kill off half the cast, nuke a foreign country, and this show will be right as rain again. Hey, it worked for G.I. JOE.

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Content Balloons "pop" because the molecules that surround them come instantly rushing back in and collide as they try to inhabit that previously "empty" space. So... moving 20 or so bodies that were once somewhere, causes them to "instantly" disappear, making HUGE thunderclap noises that would shake the building. I'd love to see more science worked in here. Flying guys are easily explained by the controlled expulsion of methane gases.

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Content IS NOT ice chickie. I think she's the third "clone". No?

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Content -I'd hit that. just sayin'...

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Content I was about to type "are you fucking retarded?" but then remembered we're talking about Heroes here.

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Content well, to be honest I haven't watched it since the first time it ever aired...but I do have a slight memory of being hooked into it line and sinker and glad to see all the events that were hinted at throughout the season actually come to fruition....

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Content Heroes always seems to give us a small, faint hope it will get better each season...but it has failed each time. This season was the worst yet, and the small amount of promise I found in characters like Danko, were thrown away with many of the same poor decisions the creators have even acknowledged in the past based on fan feedback. Choosing again to NOT SHOW a final fight w/ Sylar was incredibly disappointing, especially if it was (hopefully) the final chapter. There is such a universal lack of focus on this show...from losing/regaining powers, switching powers, repeating similar storylines again and again, there's just no payoff in sight. Watch the effective gambles with writing taken this season by Lost, The Unit, Big Love, Prison Break, Terminator...there's just too much competition for my time in order for Heroes to survive even my own dedicated viewing habits. I've watched Heroes since the first episode based on the promise to deliver a mature superhero story in prime time...and in every way I believe viewers are still waiting for that promise to deliver. Three seasons is long enough. The morons who make this show should have learned from their mistakes by now. Even Smallville knows they can get by with mediocre filler during the long season by always delivering fun super powered, and emotionally effective finales that fuels the next season right out of the starting blocks. Heroes doesn't seem to know the race is already over, and they continue to lap the track in an empty stadium. Sad.

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Content ...do you create paragraph breaks in talkback? Thanks, fellas.

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Content "<" then "br" then ">" with no spaces. <br> <br> I'd do it, but it wouldn't show

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Content even though I only typed the one symbol. <br> The key to the right of letter M, then the words B and R, then the key two to the right of letter M, with no spaces.

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Content 'less than' symbol, then 'p' then 'greater than' symbol.

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Content I mean: 'less than' symbol, then 'br' then 'greater than' symbol.

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Content Do you realize what it's going to do to Peter when he finds out his brother is Dead and Sylar was mind wiped into being his new bro? He is going to get all killy.

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Content herc missed the big scoop...greg beeman has been given his walking papers<p> truly makes no sense at all

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Content herc missed the big scoop...greg beeman has been given his walking papers<p> truly makes no sense at all

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Content When Ma Petrelli gave her overdramatic scream? Wow, I was forgiving of this show for awhile, but man it's really hit an all time low. It's like we're introduced to some pretty cool ideas i.e. Future Hiro, Ando and Hiro future fight, Pa Petrelli, everyone getting powers etc. Not great ideas but kind of cool. And then those ideas are just abandoned and we're treated to the same old retreaded crap. Kring does not know how to write superheroes, and I'm pretty sure they don't have too many closed door fights in actual comic books.

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Content What the fuck are you people talking about. Dead as the dodo. They put Sylar to use because it suited their goals (the first interesting thing to happen to Sylar since season 1) and yes, he is going to be pissed. Brainwashed Sylar is the only reason I'll come back next season.

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Content I don't really understand all the bitching about Heroes, frankly...having read the TB on Heroes for the last few weeks (and only registered today), I have to say that 90% of the bitching that goes on here about the story not making sense is silly...either you're not paying attention or are incapable of applying critical thinking of your own to the story and need it all spelled out for you in spoon-fed portions so that you can understand it simply. Heroes, for what problems it has (and I'll admit it does have it's fair share), is STILL better than 80% of EVERYTHING ELSE on television today. Of course, if Heroes is simply too "dumb" for you to watch anymore for entertainment purposes, you can always turn on the Tyra Banks show or Celebrity Apprentice or wait til you get force fed Jay Leno 5 nights a week. Regarding the season finale, it was a great cap off to a mixed season, full of excitement, interesting twists, temporary resolution (which is important to tide me over til next season), and frankly I enjoyed it a great deal. Moreover I'm not scared of being challenged on that opinion, nor am I chanting "Heroes sucks, I quit!" simply because it's apparently the sheep-driven fad thing to do around here. Definitely looking forward to seeing how next season pans out...thinking about what may happen if/when Sylar figures out he's been convinced to be Nathan will be very interesting - Zachary Quinto can either pursue a future in film or go back to Heroes whenever the mood strikes him or the story calls for it - frankly, it's a brilliant way to move the story forward with Sylar in it in spite of not having Quinto around to play him. It's also very possible that he might figure out he's Sylar, but be unable to actually change back into him because the majority of his brain is convinced that he's Nathan. It was already established that Nathan was induced with the same ability that Peter was given when they were both kids - Peter developed the empathy, but Nathan didn't. Ma Petrelli could very easily convince Nathan that he was, at last, finally starting to "show his potential" when/if Nathan starts demonstrating additional powers - hell, it took them quite a while to originally manifest for any of them, so why wouldn't it develop later? Everybody grows at different rates, so that'd make for a veyr plausible way to keep Sylar off of the secret that he's not actually himself. Excellent way to take the story. Overall grade for the episode: B

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Content I've always thought Strikeforce Morituri would make a great TV show. For those not familiar, it's like V but with superheroes. The superheroes are just ordinary people who undergo a treatment to give them powers. The process is fatal and the heroes die within a year of getting their powers. You can fight the aliens to help save the world and be a hero but it is a suicide mission.<p>It would be a great concept for TV. A cast that gets replaced every season, unless the aliens kill them first. And new recruits could join during the season so they would last at most until the middle of the next season, unless they aliens kill them first. And it is not exactly a year so some may expire sooner than a year, some later. And all the while they are working on a way to fix what makes the process fatal. But on the other hand, will audiences tune in to a show where they know the majority of the characters will be off the show by this time next year?

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Content wouldn't the Haitian be better at a mind wipe than Parkman? Danko should have been killed already. hit by a bus like on Lost. weren't they going to incinerate the corpse of the original shapeshifter? i know noah stopped them at the furnace but you would think danko would have ordered it burned again after he framed noah.

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Content look, the show has major major major issues. I was a huge fan but I am going to have to bail. Lazy writing, lazy story, lazy lazy lazy. They keep a show like this but won't keep a show as good as Life??? They won't revamp because NCB exec have their fat fingers in the fucked up mixture of that show. Too many heroes, same story line, same stupid plot every season

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Content ... Heroes. But fuck, this is tough. What makes it more heartbreaking is you could see the influence Fuller had on previous eps. It's like he was MIA on the finale. My kids liked it though. That probably means I won't abandon Heroes for season 4. but fuck get it together.

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Content Boring. Again no budget for a final showdown between Sylar and Peter. Just Clair looking thru a door crack with lights a flashing. Peeeee U!

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Content Finally got around to watching the episode and, fuck me, that was epic fail pretty much all the way. I'm not even going to go into all the badness of that episode as everyone else has mentioned the billion or so plot holes.<p>After the first season, I thought it was a pretty decent show with a poor final. I watched all of the second season because I loved the first one and figured that no tv show could possibly take such a steep dive in quality in such a short amount of time... I was wrong. However, I came back again for the third season because I'd already wasted my time with the first two and i'd heard they were going to fix all of the problems. I thought the first half ("Villains") was pretty decent and it gave me some hope. The second half ("Fugitives") started okay but seemed to get dumber and dumber. This episode (was that really a season final?!?!) made me see the light of day. Awful. Fucking awful. Okay, I said I wasn't going to mention any of the badness but I can't believe the whole 'Claire's blood' thing got swept under the carpet there. And, as someone else pointed out, how many fucking times can you kill the same character? Oh, that's right. Once per season.<p>There's more chance of Danny Glover talking about his dickblood in an interview than me returning to this show next year.