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Finally Confirmed (But Not Surprising)!! Now We Know Whether Arnold Will Appear In TERMINATOR SALVATION...
Merrick here...
Since the beginning of production, we've been hearing many rumors regarding a possible appearance by Schwarzenegger in TERMINATOR SALVATION.
McG's been hot/cold/coy, Arnold's seemed detached and non-committal, finally offering THIS explanation as to the nature and status of his potential appearance via Twitter. It involves using CGI to bring '80s era Arnold into the film, without his having to commit to shooting new material.
And at the time of said Twitter, results were still uncertain/inconclusive.
I think that within the next week or so, we will see if they are technologically able to do that.
...said Arnold.
Variety now has all the answers for us, via a very brief article which explains McG & Arnold's unwillingness to comment too conclusively on the matter until now. In short - no one knew where or not adding a CGI Arnold into the movie could be pulled off convincingly, and only recently has Schwarzenegger given final consent for his likeness to be used. Meaning: he will be in the film.
Turns out Schwarzenegger has been secretly working with helmer McG and the effects team to reprise his signature role ... without lifting a finger.
A body-cast mold of Schwarzenegger, created when he first appeared as the muscle-ripped cyborg, provided the basis for a digital-effects version of his famous character. The figure appears in "Terminator Salvation" as a living, breathing actor.
Schwarzenegger viewed the resulting footage and gave his go-ahead just in time for McG to include the footage before the helmer completes his cut of the movie. Warners first screens the pic in early May and opens it May 21.
...says THIS write-up in Variety.
A body-cast mold of Schwarzenegger, created when he first appeared as the muscle-ripped cyborg, provided the basis for a digital-effects version of his famous character. The figure appears in "Terminator Salvation" as a living, breathing actor.
Schwarzenegger viewed the resulting footage and gave his go-ahead just in time for McG to include the footage before the helmer completes his cut of the movie. Warners first screens the pic in early May and opens it May 21.
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...hope the movie is going to be good.
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Already confirmed yesterday!
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I guess they needed Arnold to look like he did 20 years ago and not like the old droppy raggetty being he is now
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...as CGI. More like Arnold than even Arnold could hope to be.Does this mean they can get a CGI Governor in California, too?
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"A body-cast mold of Schwarzenegger, created when he first appeared as the muscle-ripped cyborg, provided the basis for a digital-effects version of his famous character." YEAH! SURE! I guess they just made a CGI head of Arnold and put in on a bodybuilder double, like they did with the naked Arnold at the beginning of T3.
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The movie does not need Arnold. It needs an assload of chrome robots and airships.
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should be wait and see. not jump to conclusions.
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CGI dinosaurs, which no one has ever really seen? That's one thing. CGI humans? Never looks right. But, if it works, It will definitely be cool.
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Forever and ever and ever....
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You can't have a Terminator movie without Arnold.
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The King of the Action Heros is back, where he belongs in movies! Now all i want is an R rated Terminator film, please McG let it happen. Arnold your the MAN!!!!
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Been on the official site for a few days now.
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Do eeetttt Do it nowwwwwwwwwwwww!!!
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Since this all began every story on the subject of him being in it has pretty much said this is how it would be.
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He doesn't even have to turn up. Still sounds cool.
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You used the "C" word. that's it then. If you run another story before then that says he's not in the movie, there's gonna be trouble.
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I'm excited to see this sequence.
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This won't be much more than a dozen Arnies standing perfectly still in a factory scene.
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My theory is that Robert Zemeckis is doing all this motion capture stuff so he can bring back a 1988 version of Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd for Back to the Future 4. CGI actors are the future, especially for youthening, agening, or sequels delayed by many years.
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The Variety article is just hearsay based on the recent Arnold interview (which again isn't from Twitter)
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Guess he was right about that line
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Even as a cgi cameo, I would love to see Arnold in the film, giving him presence throughout all 4.
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for that remake they are doing.
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This movie is going high on the suckometer.
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You'll be able to convincingly put any actor at any age in any movie you want, for the whole show. Should be interesting when we start getting young clint eastwood and the duke starring in westerns together, etc.
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Arnie is TERMINATOR...period! The films breath with him in them and now that Arnie is in TERMINATOR SALVATION as a cool new cgi cameo at the end of the film, we can expect Arnold to play a human bad ass resistance fighter that they model the T-800 on in TERMINATOR 5 & 6. Fuck anyone on here that says Terminator films could live with Arnie. McG knew this all along and should get an academy award for doing the right thing...LOL
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His presence will not dictate whether this movie is any good.
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Seriously....they rarely make them like that any more. All purpose shot as a teaser, not just film footage. Brilliant.
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If they are including it, then there's a good chance that this technology has moved ahead (no pun intended). Consider how effects have moved forward with mechanical/metal surfaces in both "TRANSFORMERS" and "IRON MAN" ...and apply that knowledge gained to human tissue. In the computer effects world, this could be HUGE.
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That model of Terminator was not created until late in the war, just before Kyle Reese went back in time. I was under the impression that Terminator Salvation takes place earlier during the war. Therefore, Arnold should not be in this movie.
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bring on robert patrick
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This is a McG film. Anything goes.
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THAT would be a dream come true, seeing the older/heavier John Wayne (no relation to Bruce) and prime Clint Eastwood in a western, together. Maybe Warner Bros. should do a new mix, like that fantasy boxing of Ali and Rocky (not Sly) from many moons ago. Anyone old enough to remember that?
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Not really.
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It will fit seamlessly.
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pg13 Terminator is a fucking joke. But you apologists go ahead and get excited for this corporate piece of shit.
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I don't give a fuck what today's standards are. If you think Terminator or T2 would be pg13 now a days WITHOUT ANY EDITING OF ANYKIND, you're sadly mistaken.
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This movie is going to redefine disappointment. For a start, there is a colon in the title. Fuck that garbage.
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When I go see T:S, I might have to just see it like three times in a row
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Super_Fight
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Such a lost art...
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...we have the technology (and enough classic footage).
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No not the teenage rating. The fact that Arnold will probably be paid a fortune for doing absolutely nothing while people in the world starve and struggle to survive on a day to day basis.
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Kevin Costner's Robin Hood movie.
They should have included it in T2.
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But otherwise, it'll be hilarious watching this piece of crap in 2014 on TNT and seeing an awkward Benjamin Buttonesque digital Arnie walking around.
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Apr 23, 2009 10:42:09 AM CDT
But does this mean that they changed Emma Frost skin problem?
by series7
And by that I mean having the character Deadpool the merc with a mouth not having a mouth. OHH whats that Deadpool toy...nope. Its really funny, look at the Wolverine toys and they have like the MOVIE version and the COMIC version. I guess no one showed these to the makers of the movie before it was made.
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That there will be no Shatner cameo in the new Star Trek then?
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Was the SHIT! Directed by the ;egendary Stan Winston, no less. It was simply amazing; I remember the first time I saw it was while watching a rented copy of "Total Recall". Me and my friends just sat there in awe, staring slack-jawed at the screen in amazement...saying to ourselves, "Holy shit! They FINALLY made a 'Terminator 2'!!" Now I'm sort of wishing they had stopped there. I'll go see the new one...but, with serious reservations.
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They thought it would be too obvious to loop old dialogue from the Terminator series.
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Couldn't be any worse than real Arnie...
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I have zero interest in this film.
I might go, but only to yell "It's fucking distracting" at the screen, but even that is increasingly unlikely.
Christian Bale, McG, Transformer-Terminators, and a CGI Schwarzenegger. The Four Horsemen have been re-envisionated!
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Apr 23, 2009 10:51:55 AM CDT
I remember when this was the stuff of sci-fi. Now it's real.
by mr nicholas
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I agree with everyone else on this talkback and elsewhere who after hearing this news says "who cares"
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This will suck beyond all recognition..Some movies need that unrestricted R rating. This is one of those films. Instead we're getting another run of the mill kiddie friendly explosion fest. This is not a bonified Terminator movie..Hack directors like McG that compromise their films just to get more butts into seats doesn't fly well with me. I'm going to keep my money and hold out for the (hopefully) edit free unrated version on blu ray...if there will be one and I'm quite sure there will
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Please don't go if you're going to yell at the screen.
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Hell, they don't even need Arnold to dub the CGI. They can just use one of the many flash soundboards available on Ebaumsworld! "John Connor...who is your daddy and what does he do?"
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In the first movie, just about all the kills either happened off screen or had no gore. We see a two second shot of Linda Hamilton's nipples, and a few people say "fuck". The series has ALWAYS been tame.
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Apr 23, 2009 11:16:47 AM CDT
Anyone noticed the youtube trailer other vids posted above the u
by theplant
Check the youtube uploader other videos. The guy has the complete BILL PAXTON MARTINI RANCH video clip directed by James Cameron, starring Kathryn Bigelow !!!
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Is in the other vids from the youtube user posted by Merrick
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rather have 80s arnold and 00s arnold
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I'm not kidding, it really does.
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Apr 23, 2009 11:30:21 AM CDT
Wow. This will be Arnold's first Terminator film that I skip.
by acquanetta
Makes you think.
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T2 was downright awesome!
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Well, hopefully, anyway. Because that would still be immensely cooler than another tired Terminator movie.
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Huh?
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We need some Micheal Jai White action here!
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I can just watch that one again and again. At the time I was a little disappointed that it wasn't part of T2.
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fine. If its the same that created the Rock-monster in Mummy 2, we're in trouble.
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arnold has spoken
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depending on how long he's actually in it for. They shoulda cg'd Christian Bale's sorry ass instead.
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Terminator without Arnie would be... even more pointless and tepid than Terminator 3. He's the soul of the series, no doubt about it.
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so we'll judge it on that aspect alone, and pick it apart moreso.
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A CG zombie of Arnold is no substitute for the man himself. Say what you want about his politics, acting, groping, or his trip to Brazil (youtube it, folks, its solid gold) but the guy's charisma is undeniable. Kind of doubt a creepy CG doppelganger will be able to recapture that. So fie, fie I say!
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but I'm not holding my breath. This guys movies have no soul.
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Otherwise it would have zero interest factor.
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McGay should go back to making "Gap" commercials. His body of work, so far, has been unimpressive. The fact that he wants Will Smith to play Captain Nemo is laughable. Didn't we learn our lesson in "Wild, Wild West?" He also wants to do adaptation of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" In other words, he wants to remake "Bladerunner." I hope Terminator bombs, and the movie career of McGay ends. Then he can focus on making shows for the WB Network.
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Of about a 100 Arnies tearing shit up! It would be an awesome climax!
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they was playing us
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Lord Bale is in it. It will be an historic blockbuster, despite McG's involvement.
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So I don't really give a McShit.
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Quit with all your whining stupid comments. ALL OF YOU will see this, regardless of ANY factor. It's a fuckin Terminator movie FFS, and one that stars Bale and looks fucking spectacular. You will see it. I will see it.
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The Smithsonian will be erecting a new building to house this monument.
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the only movie I'm actually excited about seeing this summer. Bring it on!!!
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Cheney shits pants.
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Apr 23, 2009 1:08:37 PM CDT
You will see McGay's "Terminator" it, but only once...
by leafar the lost
My prediction is that Terminator IV will have a huge opening weekend, and then the numbers will fall due to bad word of mouth. Just seeing it once isn't enough. Just having AICN geeks seeing isn't enough. My hatred of McGay has reached the point where I want this movie to fail, even though I have been a Terminator fan in the past. I loved the first two, the third sucked, and I hope this one will be the last. Have a nice McDay.
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Seriously, a CGI Arnold acting or the real Arnold acting. You trying to tell me someone would be able to tell the difference?
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Correction acknowledged. However, the Koreans want to exhibit the Bale Cock and are building the Prada Transformer as a bid to get it.
Praise Bale, He is loved worldwide:
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and amateur
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I always wanted to see the future war but either way any Arnold CG or real being terminator would be awesome
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Apr 23, 2009 1:39:56 PM CDT
Stop misquoting Total Recall because of fucking Jason Segel
by unapatowzing
It's "Give these people air" not "Give the people the air."
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They don't deserve air.
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you know he really wasn't the BUTCHER OF BAKERSVILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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GEDDD DOO DAH CHARIOT NNEEEOOOWWWWW!!!
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Will they pay him like an actor just for allowing them to use his likeness?
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at least we won't have to see his cack, blue or otherwise...
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I'm gonna squash you!
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Oh shit the cat is out of the bag now!
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http://www.aintitbalenews.com/latest-news.html
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That's great news!! In this case I'm looking forward to an ABUNDANCE OF MALICE.
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just had to throw that in there
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"That model of Terminator was not created until late in the war, just before Kyle Reese went back in time."...Time has been altered by every mucking with it, so the timeline the original Kyle came from no longer exists. Plus the introduction of future tech into the past has accelerated the development of Skynet/Terminators in the newly created timelines. That's one of the good things about T:TSCC...it actually acknowledges that everyone is coming from different timelines in many cases due to changes in the past.
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lol.
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T4 will be the very definition of consumate anti-amateurism simply due to the Bale Factor.
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doesnt this somehow fucks the time continuity in the franchise?
if we accept that the model 101,arnies skin that is,is applied in all the terminator series,then ok there is no problem.
BUT if it only applied in the t800 terminators,then there is a time plothole.the t800 series came i think when kyle was a soldier.in T4 kyle hasnt even been borned,and the events take place immediately after the nuclear war and not 20 years.
so how the fuck does T800 terminatos exist in the timeframe of the T4 movie? only the T600,T700,etc are in the movie.
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the new "franchise" really doesnt need arnold to be good. it should be able to stand on its on two legs. we are, after all, in the future now
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REAL Arnorld. Fact, chew it up, enjoy it. Maybe they can use it in the new RED HEAT Reboot by JJ Ab. next fall...
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Funny thing about different timelines is that it sort of makes time travel irrelevant. I mean, there wouldn't be much point for the Terminator to go back in time to kill John Connor and then end up in a timeline where the Connor family doesn't exist. Or an alternate timeline in which the Earth has been overrun with Aliens.
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Skynets top priority target for termination is kyle reese and then john connor.and no sarah connor at all.
does this make any sense, as the story goes,with what we have already seen in the first 2 teminator movies.
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I'm there.
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that would have been nice ;)
and also,a cgi Henriksen and Winfield from the first movie.
their inbetween dialogues always crack me up ;)
Lieutenant Traxler: Well, how do I look?
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T-800/850/101 are all variations of the same model. (like trim packages on a car, if you will) Roland Kickingers character is even credited as a T-800 model in the credits.
"The only consistent name for Schwarzenegger's Terminator character has been "The Terminator". Kyle Reese in The Terminator and Schwarzenegger's character in Terminator 2 refer to it as a "Cyberdyne Systems Model 101." In Terminator 3, the Terminator refers to itself as a "T-101," which could be an abbreviation of its model number. However, as Terminator 3 also contradicts the age of John Connor as established in Terminator 2, it's likely that this is a mistake." "In the T2 commentary, Cameron states that the Model 101s all look like Schwarzenegger, with a 102 looking like someone else, leading to speculation that the 101 refers to the physical appearance while the 800 refers to the endoskeleton common to many models. A scene deleted from the theatrical cut, but restored in the Terminator 2 Special Edition, lends the most credence to this explanation. In this scene, John and Sarah shut down The Terminator for modification according to his instructions. When he reboots, the upper-left of his HUD reads "Cyberdyne Systems Series 800 Model 101 Version 2.4". Additionally, the original Terminator 2 teaser trailer further verifies this on a display monitor during cyborg tissue generation, referencing the Series 800 Model 101.
The current, most widely-accepted nomenclature seems to indicate that the Terminator from the first two films is a T-800 series, model 101, while the character from T3 is a T-850 model 101 (model number referring to the outer skin type, whereas the series, or T, number refers to the chassis or endoskeleton). The sole difference between the two seems to be that the T-850, unlike the T-800, uses a nuclear power source, and thus needs further armor and shielding to prevent the rupture of the hydrogen fuel cells it carries." -
its gotta be done
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is applied to all the terminator series (from the 600 series to 850+) or only from the 800 and forward.
in other words is arnies cameo going to be a t700 series or a t800 series terminator?
if its going to be t700 ,it ties with the movies timeframe but if its the t800 then its a plothole.
unless the story unfolds a bit differently than the first 2 movies
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...before I could zero him." I thought Reese couldn't idenitfy the Terminator until it attacked Sarah Connor because he DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT FUCKING LOOKED LIKE.
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If you think this film is anything other than some half-assed cash-in bullshit (with Bale inexplicably along for the ride), you're a fucking joey. And the same goes for all those morons who like T3. This shit isn't even fan fiction. It's made by money-snuffling studio prostitutes. Cameron's being polite when he declines commenting about this crap.
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but personally i always wanted to make a Terminator movie with the future war,the resistance,skynet;s final defeat,how john connor was saving the human race,kyle as a young soldier who worships sarah, and also scenes which give a perfect tie-in with the previous 2 movies.
just imagine a scene in the movie when kyle and the bad arnie are send back in the past to accomplish their mission.it would have been a great moment for the old fans who grew up with those films.
unfortunately cameron didnt want to continue his saga,he believed that he told everything he wanted and that his story was over and i dont blame him.we should respect the true artists and their devotion to their works.
and now what we have? T3 an awful, unnecessary movie which is an insult for what cameron had created.
and we have the PG13 T4 with a mediocre actioneer director,a talented protagonist but who is a bit of a real phycho,the same terrible screenwriters from the T3 and ofcourse,the most important thing,this movie is happening only for the money,for the cashin,to sell pizzas and toys.
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Apr 23, 2009 6:38:34 PM CDT
Arnold is badass. Even though he's like 60 or something, he cou
by particularly hard vato
I'm just saying. And I can't wait to see this in Salvation...
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Apr 23, 2009 6:39:20 PM CDT
ld kick the shit out of everyone on this forum
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no editing is gay.
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I was under the impression from the first movie that it was actually the SKINS that were new, not the skeletons. When Kyle Reese mentions that the Arnold Terminator is "new", the context of his comments seems to indicate that he's specifically referring to the living-tissue skins. Now, I don't know what the timeframe is for when the different series (that is, the skeletons)were supposed to have been created. And it stands to reason that once the living skins were perfected that Skynet could slap living skins onto a T-800, a T-700, or a T-850. So for all I know it may be entirely within continuity to have T-800's in Terminator Salvation. I'm not necessarily saying that the 800 series shouldn't be around yet, just that there shouldn't yet be any Terminators with living skins. But on the other hand, when Sarah Connor says that we can't make cyborgs, Kyle Reese says something like, "I know. Not for about another 40 years." With The Terminator taking place in 1984 and Terminator Salvation taking place in 2018, that's 34 years that would have passed. Not quite consistent with Kyle Reese's claims, but close enough for me to buy it. Particularly if The Terminator in T4 is merely an early prototype of living tissue technology, and Skynet doesn't really ramp up production for another couple of years.
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only arnie could have delivered such iconic lines.
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more than his entire wage for 'Aliens' for allowing a bad digital scan of his face and a decapitated mold of Hicks in the crash, so i'm sure Arnie will get paid for the use of his likeness in T4, acting or not.
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from what i have seen until know,from concept art,trailers,interviews etc,the t600 isnt humanoid and the t700 is humanoid but it doesnt have a proper,human-like skeleton.its more bulky and bigger than a real normal human.which means even if it had a living tissue,it couldnt have passed as a human,it will have been easily spotted (without dogs ;) )
so the t800 series whose endoskeleton resembles almost that of a human skeleton,does appear during kyles time and not before,that fitting kyles story in the first movie.
in other words,arnie cameo must be that of a t800s.it cant be of a t600,maybe it is of a t700 and that because arnie is very bulky.but personally i doubt it.t700s endoskeleton from what i have seen,its bigger and taller than arnies real body.
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... it shouldn't have Arnie in it. Unless he's the the original Terminator sent back to 1984. Fullstop. And that would have been a brilliant Moebius strip concept to put in the film. Way above McG's ginger fucking brain.
And Ominus, Cameron did want to make more Terminator movies. He lost his portion of the rights to the series when he divorced Linda Hamilton, who sold them to Mario Kassar for fucking pennies. He even tried to buy them back, but was out-bid. So when Kassar asked him to direct "their" T3 he rightly told them to fuck off. Of course, he doesn't have any interest in the series any more.
T3 and T4 written and directed by Cameron, including, yes, a future war, would have a been mind-blowing. Think on that every time you gulp down the weak and bitter seed of McG and that U571 guy.
Christ, the T2 ride is 10x better than the last shit-fest. That's just a glimpse of what Cameron's Skynet would have been. -
"Gedd da Mini-Choppa!!! Id slice, en dice, id da mose handee choppa eva!!! Gedd yor Mini-Choppa dooday!! Doo eed!!! Neeooww!!!"
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for the franchise before T2? in fact,thats why the only reason that T2 was possible to be made.
i know that because he mentions it in the extras of the T2 special extras dvd.
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The movie looks decent. I wonder how long it will be until Studios are able to put the CGI Avatar of actors on contract...or buy their image and personalities outright. Imagine..with the advancement of cgi and technology in general...we may never need lose our favorite actors...even after death. Well..that is to say..their death. Kinda spooky.
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...she says "She'll be back" for more of my cock, as Fatty Knowles can't get it up!
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I mean, McG is directing this. I'm setting my expectation level to floor height. I'll be impressed if T4 will have a coherent story line. Other than Star Trek and Public Enemies, which I'm mildly interested in, there isn't anything coming out this Summer that has me really jazzed to see it.
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the crap of T3....
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it wont be lame. it may just well ruin the movie for me
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no surprises indeed...
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I know people are pissed about the PG-13, but get over it already. Warner Bros. probably would have never signed off on an entire trilogy without some guarantee of a PG-13 rating. Everything I've seen and heard so far on this movie has been positive...so why not give it a shot? People keep saying "it'll never be as good as James Cameron." Well NO SHIT Sherlock. Let it go! Cameron will probably only make another 3-4 movies the rest of his life, and I guarantee you none of them will have the names Alien or Terminator in the title. This is the movie we've got, and it doesn't need to be rated R to be a great movie.
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What a crock, people still coming up with that Linda Hamilton owns the right shit. NO SHIT SHERLOCK IT WAS GALE ANN HURD AND HEMDALE.
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"...Ahnd it is a deal, Mr. Mick-Gee!"
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Makes total sense to do this as Arnie is pretty old these days and busy being the Governator!
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I just don't know....I mean, yeah, sure, technology has jumped leaps and bounds, but man....can they put him in the movie, as a cameo with speaking lines and make it look 100% REAL? From what I'd read the other day, the cameo may not involve him being animated, sounded like they'd go through a room and see the Arnie Terminator being made, or in stasis.
And as far as PG13...meh. They can get away with ALOT in PG13 these days...besides...how much carnage/gore/sex/nudity do you need in the movie? As long as it's well written, inspired and true to the spirit, it will be fine. -
Go on, suck it up, suck his black wormy jizz and drink. Soon your souls will be as empty as his. You will soon say "Y'know this PG13 thing ain't so bad." and "Y'know his cock in my ass feels okay too." Judgement Day is at hand.
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doesn't know dick about film history. There's a reason Wayne and Eastwood never made a movie together. And it's not really a secret. Now get the fuck off my set.
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Apr 24, 2009 4:29:25 AM CDT
I doubt CG Arnold is walking in broad daylight or something..
by gibsonusa returns
Waving...."Sup everyone!"
Nah, I doubt its like that. If I were McG it would be a very brief, very shadowy cameo. At the VERY end of the movie, the glimse of Arnold's face appearing through the shadow for literally a couple of seconds, then the movie ends. Cliffhanger.
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why wyane and eastwood didnt make a movie together?
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"when Sarah Connor says that we can't make cyborgs, Kyle Reese says something like, "I know. Not for about another 40 years." With The Terminator taking place in 1984 and Terminator Salvation taking place in 2018, that's 34 years that would have passed. Not quite consistent with Kyle Reese's claims, but close enough for me to buy it. "
Don't forget Reese add "one possible future, from your pov, I don't know tech stuff". It was evident, right from the first movie, that the future reese comes from is not the one this world will go to -- hence this movie will crap all over wolverine, and become the biggest hit of the season. -
I am very reserved on this flick, could have, should have... MCG is kind of a no talent ass clown and the only thing saving his ass will be his actors and effects but I'm sure he will take the credit and fuck up another movie next.
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Blue Beetle vs T-800? Forget about it. BB dismantles him for parts.
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You know when Cameron said there was nothing more to add to the movies besides what they showed in T1 and T2 he was right. These future war movies are just going to be join the dot adventures with the events we already know happen being the focus. "Oh that event I already know is going to happen I can see that now." We saw the future war in the first two movies and we saw judgement day in the second movie - which was much better than the judgement day we saw in the third movie. When all is said and done with these new movies it will be disappointing precisely because they haven't added anything that those two movies didn't already cover - think Revenge of the Sith connect the dots bad.
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Garbage.
The conceptual universe is the star. Arnie doesn't even have that much screen time in the original...by rights he should be third on the case list, not first. And it's always been stupid that multiple terminators looked identical...they're INFILTRATION UNITS, fer Chrissakes. Hardly ideal infiltrators when they all look and sound like a burley, ultra-distinctive Austrian bodybuilder. Simply put up "do not let this man in" posters on every human resistance base, and Skynet is fucked. -
Sure it will. It has the potential to be the first genuine sequel. T2 isn't a real sequel, it's high budget fan fiction. It cannot work as a sequel to The Terminator because TT establishes that we're in a universe with a single time line that contains a loop. Branching timelines cannot work in that universe, yet that is what T2 tries to impose on us. It makes no sense as a sequel. Stopping the future war is a logical impossibility. So Salvation offers the possibility of covering the ground a Terminator sequel SHOULD have covered, i.e. the actual future war against Skynet. Hoo-bloody-rah.
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"It was evident, right from the first movie, that the future reese comes from is not the one this world will go to"
No, no, no, no, NO. That is exactly the OPPOSITE message of the movie. (Bangs head against desk.)
What do you think the polaroid photo of Sarah was telling you? Hmmm? What was the purpose of its inclusion? It was there to tell you that Sarah was now in a different future, in which by SHEER AMAZING COINCIDENCE the SAME EXACT FUCKING PHOTO OF HER was taken? What was she doing in that car with the dog in the desert in the "first future"? And who the fuck was John Connor's father in the "first future"?
Fuck me, I thought geeks were supposed to be smart. -
"I mean, there wouldn't be much point for the Terminator to go back in time to kill John Connor and then end up in a timeline where the Connor family doesn't exist. Or an alternate timeline in which the Earth has been overrun with Aliens."
Bingo.
Someone with brains.
Although...you also have to consider that Skynet probably has no fucking clue how the time logic of its universe works. It is basically executing a Hail Mary pass. It doesn't know if it will succeed; it simply has no alternative.
Being a logical sort of system, though, it might have been happy to ensure that a "time twin" survived in a parallel universe even if its own incarnation died. But even if it hoped that, it was wrong about the nature of the universe in which it existed, i.e. one with a SINGLE timeline that cannot be branched from or altered. THAT is the take-home message of The Terminator, like it or not. -
Did anyone else notice in the Simpson's movie that the President Of the United States was Swartzenegger, shouldnt it had been McBain?
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...Rainier Wolfcastle?
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The 800 # applies to the ENDOSKELETON.
The 101 # applies to the skin outside.
In the Terminator (#1) it was an 800 endoskeleton with a 101 skin (the skin that looks like Arnie) applied to it.
In Terminator 3, it was an 850 endoskeleton with the 101 skin (arnie again) applied.
So any terminator with the 101 skin applied will look like Arnie, where the 102, 103, etc. skin will look like someone else. The endoskeletons are just the frame and robot underneath. So the T800 endo will be used in the new film with another skin, the Roland Kikinger (whatever number they assign to is) and the T600 will have the Brian Steele skin (once again, whatever number they assign) Arnold is now OFFICIALLY credited in the movie, but no endoskeleton as been given yet for the (101) skin. Just refer to Arnie as the 101 and make it easy. But the T800 will be in the movie, I'm guessing in a fairly large role with the T600. The 600 endo can apparently attach a mini-gun to the right arm (or he holds it a LOT) and we will see that in the film. The 600 is also the model that you see in the clip where the heli lands on it and John caps his melon. -
Kickinger was quoted earlier saying he would be playing the part of the 101 skin (arnie). Now what we know Arnie is back I'm just GUESSING they will assign Kickinger with another 100 number. This obviously conflicts with Arnies intended cameo so something has been changed since he made that quote. Kick was cast to play Arnie in a bio as YOUNG Arnie, but doesn't look enough like him to pull that off. That and it would just piss people off, lol.
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Kickinger was quoted earlier saying he would be playing the part of the 101 skin (arnie). Now what we know Arnie is back I'm just GUESSING they will assign Kickinger with another 100 number. This obviously conflicts with Arnies intended cameo so something has been changed since he made that quote. Kick was cast to play Arnie in a bio as YOUNG Arnie, but doesn't look enough like him to pull that off. That and it would just piss people off, lol.
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Apr 25, 2009 5:01:31 PM CDT
ROCK'EM SOCK'EM ROBOTS the MOVIE starring Arnie and Yule Brynner
by monkey_king
Featuring totally real environments...Yet CGI versions of two famous actors in the roles that made them famous...knocking the shit out of each other. You know some turd in Hollywood will read this post and see a pot-induced "lightbulb"
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