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Michael Scott Paper Company Headed For The Shredder?? Thursday's Final-Four OFFICE!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
Last week they dropped the new opening title sequence featuring the Michael Scott Paper Company, so I gather it’s not long for this world.
Tonight:
BROKE
Written by Charlie Grandy
Michael’s new company struggles to make early morning deliveries while the office tries to get their expense reports in on time after Angela enforces Dunder Mifflin’s policy.
Next week:
CASUAL FRIDAY
Michael has to mediate a dispute within his new sales team. Meanwhile, trouble brews in the office when several employees take the term “casual” Fridays too loosely.
May 7:
CAFÉ DISCO
Michael enters the cafe-disco business. Meanwhile, Pam and Jim decide to take a secret trip.
May 14:
COMPANY PICNIC
Season finale.
Pam looks likely to be joining Dunder Mifflin as a salesman, as does Ryan.
Kelly Erin, the new receptionist, is expected to keep her job even subsequent to Pam’s return.
“The Wire” vets Idris Elba and Amy Ryan will both appear in the fifth season finale because ALL the Dunder Mifflin branches will be brought together for a giant company picnic.
Scenes deleted from last week’s “Heavy Competition”:
“Suvivor”: 8 p.m. Thursday. CBS.
“Parks and Recreation”: 8:30 p.m. Thursday. NBC.
“The Office”: 9 p.m. Thursday. NBC.
“30 Rock”: 9:30 p.m. Thursday. NBC.
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Battlestar Galactica 4.11-4.20 (Blu-ray)
Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series
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When Bruce Met Clark!!
Written by Charlie Grandy
Michael’s new company struggles to make early morning deliveries while the office tries to get their expense reports in on time after Angela enforces Dunder Mifflin’s policy.
Michael has to mediate a dispute within his new sales team. Meanwhile, trouble brews in the office when several employees take the term “casual” Fridays too loosely.
Michael enters the cafe-disco business. Meanwhile, Pam and Jim decide to take a secret trip.
Season finale.
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Battlestar Galactica 4.11-4.20 (Blu-ray)
Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series
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When Bruce Met Clark!!
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The Office was about the mundane aspects of office life and how frustrating personal relationships were in such an unforgivingly repetitive environment. American Office is just constantly poking fun.
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Enjoying the last few episodes. Hope this one ends funny.
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Love the breath of fresh air. Bring me more.
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funny is fine, but there's no way Michael's business would succeed!
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It's a shame the arc is ending so soon. Pam is back to her deadpan greatness lately too.
Meanwhile, The Unusuals was very good last night. Really enjoying that new show. Better off Ted wasn't too bad either but they made the boss too nice at the end. -
Not the strongest of the season, but was still reallly good last night
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SAVE CHUCK
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...Herc's childish. Like, it's really getting embarrassing. Oh, who am I kidding? "Getting"?
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I think they've successfully established in the past how important Ted is to Veronica. If she loses him, she's probably toast, and she's too focused on her own career to let that happen.
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I absolutely love the show, but I do have one major complaint. Is Chuck at least on the CIA/NSA payroll? Are they paying him? That really bugs me. Especially when that ill tempered rude general from the NSA pops up on the screen. I'd be like: "Sure General. Understood. Where's my fucking check by the way? I've been risking life and limb for this country and without so much as a penny thrown my way. If you want me to go along with this Intersect garbage you better pay up". It's just wrong, and another example of how our government sees us all as sacrificial lambs. You'd think they would pay the poor guy. God damn that pisses me off!
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When it doesn't , I will stop watching.
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That last episode was terrible! Office is still greatness.
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Seasons 1 and 2 were great. After that, it was a slow downward spiral into mediocrity.
And most of that is the fact the writers have fallen in love with their retarded adult Michael Scott. so much they created a second, lesser Michael, in the form of Andy Bernard. They DESTROYED a great character in Jan Levinson by turning her into a simpleton. They injected reality show drama into the Pam/Jim relationship by relying on alternating shots of a depressed Pam and a depressed Jim. The only thing that still keeps this show alive is Dwight and the background cast of Stanley, Phyllis, Angela, Oscar, Kevin, Toby, Creed and Meredithd (I could give or take Kelly, though Mindy Kaling is a good writer). The only Michael stuff I can really stomach anymore is his useless picking on Toby.
It used to be a rather realistic show, about life in ANY job. Then Michael started testing high and it became about him. The occasional trips out of the office tested high, so now every episode is a field trip.
So they take all the retardnesness they've boiled "The Office" down to, get proud of themselves, and make a new show about absolute mental retards running a parks and recs department. Brilliant! I'd rather watch an hourlong about maids cleaning up hooker blood with a ShamWow.
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Granted, I haven't been keeping up, but Montag, if your biggest complaint is if they're paying him or not... suspension of disbelief, man. Some times we need to believe Jack Bauer is taking a shit at least twice during an episode of "24", even though we don't get a split-screen of Jack copping a squat somewhere.
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that title sequence has nothing to do with it. It was a joke. Meant for one episode only.
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"He's a Jewish zombie?"I watched the first episode out of curiosity and liked it enough to watch the second episode, which I liked even more. It has really grown on me, much like Better Off Ted. So you know ABC won't be picking them up next year. Shades of Eyes and Miss Guided.
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Auseillo(or however you spell his name) had a clip from the season finale. Casey hands over a check. I imagine with retro pay. POOF-no more problems with Chuck. NOW SAVE MY DAMN CHUCK HERC.
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Just wondering where the Supernatural fans will be gathering, now that it's finally back.
You know, I've watched The Office from the beginning, and I haven't noticed any significant drop in quality exactly...yet I'm not looking forward to it as much as I used to. Last week's ep is still on my DVR even. Did I change, or the show?
I checked out Survivor for the first time ever. That Coach dude is a real-life mashup of Michael Scott and Dwight Shrute. (or maybe I should say real-life, quote-unquote. I don't know.) If Dwight were to ever meet him, I think he'd say "Douche" to him, but pronounce it so that it rhymes with "touche." As in, you out-douched me, well done. I don't know special characters. -
As a character Michael needs to fail because he is a hack as a leader. Ryan should go back to the bowling alley and get demoted, and Pam needs to accept that she's going to stay in that town and start a family with Jim. Nothing wrong there, that's just how it is.
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I'm expecting he was so successful in taking away a big DM client that DM buys him out. We'll see, I'm not spoiled so that might be way off.About The Unusuals, the actress playing Beaumont is hot. And Adam Goldberg is fun to watch.
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Apr 23, 2009 1:10:28 PM CDT
Didn't think Better Off Ted was that good either
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
But some people seem to find it funny so i guess it's got an audience. Somewhere.
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thats definitely the most plausible scenario, but if that's what ends up happening, I'll be more than a little disappointed. Seems a little too easy a fix for what has been their best arc of episodes since the glory that was Season 2
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Check out the clip on the following URL around the 1:10 mark and you will get your answer on whether Chuck gets paid. Spoiler though, it is a scene from the season finale: http://tinyurl.com/dy2qva
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"It freaked me out when it came down from its web." Funny stuff. Hope it lasts at least one more season. As for "The Office," still love it but I hope they know when to quit. I'm hoping around season seven so the show doesn't have a chance to suck.
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Supernatural and Better Off Ted is So much fucking better and deserving of a post from herc and a talkback.Chuck is too.Please Harry hire another reviewer of tv or just have herc review it{not negativlity talk about it ratings wise}.?NOt that I want herc to have the competion but damn if I haven't seen so much love for a show on the talkbacks for a show to be ignored by the main tv reviewer on the website.
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Herc is just a shallow power hungry "reviewer" that doesnt care what his readers like. BOOOOOO Herc
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Fuck that guy. His character isn't funny, it's a total vanity move for him to still be on the fucking show.
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I watched two episodes, and it's no good. The last episode I saw, the end joke was a female character gluing feathers to her back to fool the researchers.. and they thought it was real! Wow! Shenanigans abound! No thanks. Saw "Parks and Recreation." and Aziz Ansari is still not funny. He always plays characters where the joke is not on him, but on everybody else, including the audience.
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Not as good as last week, but still funny. And drewlicious, you're right about octo-chicken:D
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If all you focused on was the "end joke" and you didn't laugh at anything else that happened in that episode, then I feel so sorry for you. That episode and the episode before it (racist sensors) were indeed funny as hell.
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Since you're fucking everyone else, maybe you should go fuck yourself? Just saying...
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Add me to the list of those who want to SAVE CHUCK!!!
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and still none for regis and kelly, i will lose my shit. The people demand it herc.
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I like the show, but it has a huge problem - the Buy More. I guess the scenes there, and the characters that work there (besides Chuck) are supposed to be funny but they're not. Every character there, especially Morgan, are annoying to the point it makes me angry. Is Chuck ever even at the Buy More? What's the point? It's not funny, it's not entertaining...the show needs to focus on the spy thing and kill all of the Buy More employees.
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is smarter than Herc. Poor, poor Herc.
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has always been a pleasant light beer. Last week I actually got a little tipsy.
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I actually love the show, and it is because I've grown so used to the characters that I feel bad for Chuck. He should be getting paid damn it! Other than that, I think it's a great show with some of the best action/fighting sequences I've ever seen on any weekly TV show. Now that my mind is at ease with the fact that the U.S. government isn't taking advantage of Chuck, I can say SAVE THE DAMN SHOW!!!
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I actually love the show, and it is because I've grown so used to the characters that I feel bad for Chuck. He should be getting paid damn it! Other than that, I think it's a great show with some of the best action/fighting sequences I've ever seen on any weekly TV show. Now that my mind is at ease with the fact that the U.S. government isn't taking advantage of Chuck, I can say SAVE THE DAMN SHOW!!!
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such a douchebag. you are not meant to like him. he is meant to be awful and he does it so well. hes great
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and a Korean lady boarding the van! that was one funny teaser!!
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is fucking hilarious!! Still laughing..
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a hive of bees ...
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Apr 23, 2009 8:14:34 PM CDT
When did people start treating this show like Lost or Battlestar
by billypilgrimisunstuck
Am I still the only one that watches this expecting only laughs and a good time?
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finally getting a clue he picked the wrong horse. Or wrong bee.
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Mose in socks. Case closed.
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That was nice.
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best line this year. This episode smells of win.
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And he got to show off his massive balls. Good one, Micheal!
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...was so much better than Michael blowing it would've been. This was a great episode, and this has been a great arc. Having the new boss not like him was a great way to do something interesting and new with Jim's character, Pam's finally not a receptionist anymore, and this is a just barely plausible (okay--not really) way of getting Ryan back on the show. But of course what made it really work is that it was consistently very funny.
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Hmmmm, thursday night, supernatrual back after a break, and no where to talk (zone sucks and doesn't count). Herc completely ignored the office, but gave it a shot and now we have a talkback for a show that doesn't have much to discuss... its great, but its a stupid show for a talkback. you do this professionally herc--do the damn work and inform yourself on the great shows you refuse to acknowledge existence of... there's that, but whats even worse is you did acknowledge that Terminator SCC exists, but only when you hear a rumor that it will be cancelled. Why create talkbacks for a show only when there is a rumor of its demise??? Plus, with SCC, you heard from a very, very questionable source. Then, further showing the bias a professional shouldn't have, you make a weekly talkback for a show that the majority of us think is just 'meh' and then when you hear from a legitimate, named, and higher up source that dollhouse is cancelled, you remember to remind us like three times in the article that 'this is not for sure' whereas you seem to enjoy spewing articles about the potential demise of SCC. I have no respect for herc... none. apparently, this is his world and we all just live in it. do your job you fucking geek-site tyrant.
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MAN, WHAT A TWIST.
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Wooooow. Awesome.
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Classic. Wonderful episode; just when I think I can't possibly like Michael he pulls some shit like that. Hope they can keep this up for the last three episodes.
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I still can't believe they allow content like this on network tv nowadays.
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"I think I brought something back with me..."
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...won't be around after next week. :(
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then you REALLY loved this episode. or, maybe you didn't. i did. i also loved the entire chuck miner story arch. best the show's been in a couple of seasons. oh, and holly's coming back for the finale. word.
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This one really irritated me, plus it was hardly funny. Also, Charles should've kicked the shit out of Michael's smug face. 'You're done'? How dare Charles have come in and try to run the place like an actual business after Michael quit in a petulant tantrum and proved wholly inept (until some douchebag writer decided to make him suddenly competent)?
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for once. And finally Pam is doing something else.
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...copying and pasting what's on wikipedia. You don't get paid to do this, do you?
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one of the funniest moments ever on the office. And 6th conchord, go fuck yourself. Michael has proven to be pretty damn competent a lot of the time, his dinner meeting with tim meadows at Chilis, for one. The episode was extremely funny.
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the episode info makes it sound like a big thing, but unless i missed it, it was only a throwaway line from angela and never brought up again.
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There has always been more to Micheal then is what is one the surface. sometimes he can be damn brilliant. Sometimes the dumbest thing's he says have very deep meanings to them when you look at them. Also if your not finding the show funny why are you still watching? I for one will admit the show is not as good as it use to be, but you act like this show is the worst thing on tv. It is so far from that, it is still damn good TV. Most people don't watch this show to laugh anymore they care about the characters and there lives. The show can be more then just gags. All great comedy's are.
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Thank god. Although, if it things had played out like they appeared to be, that would've been fine too.
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I thought last weeks episode was perfect at every turn, but that apparently was only leading to where we were a month ago and now Ryan has a job again.
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Last week was pure gold, but this was good to. And by the way, Parks and Recreation is shit.
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Great Office! Things are back to the way they should be. And Dwight should have a kick in the ass coming. But really, we need more Creed.
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except for the actor who plays the boss and Rashida Jones. I'm in love with Rashida - she deserves better.
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Apr 23, 2009 11:03:55 PM CDT
People who still say "jumped the shark" unironically are dipshit
by mr spork
The truth hurts, I know.
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...saying "jump the shark", is perfectly fine.
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was probably - structrually - one of their strongest episodes this season. Micheal was not only typically clueless (delivery boy? Or a loft?) but also typically competent when dealing with David Wallace. Dwight had a Mose/Beet story, a bee story and Jim got some validation about Dwight (I mean, no wonder Jim didn't get along with or respect Charles when he couldn't even see how insane Dwight can be). Micheal, Ryan and Pam had a nice little pity party that was sweet as well as sad and I think Pam's smile when Micheal was turning the screws on Wallace made her feel a bit better about going to work for Micheal, especially after her "kid driving a car" theory. Plus, a running joke with Koreans. Yeah, good ep. I hope they'll have a decent commentary on the DVD for this one.
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And in the company picnic season finale, I take it Karen won't be there...?
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Aziz Ansari is kickass too. Very funny guy. Shame the show is still shit so far.
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I don't think we're talking about the same thing.
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supernatural was tonight (i'm about to watch it) and the title is 'jump the shark.'
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Apr 24, 2009 12:12:02 AM CDT
Michael acts like a baby and still wins in the end?
by hollywoodhellraiser
What a load! How DW even came to think MSPC was a threat is beyond me. What a fucking idiot! Plus, he let Michael set the tone and follow like a retard!And to think all Michael had to do was act like a spoiled brat for a couple of weeks. Man, if only real life could be so simple!Poor Charles came to Scranton and got sidetrack by Michael temper tantrum and wasted 2 weeks of his life for nothing!Ryan came out of this okay because who in their right mind would hire Ryan failing ass again, except idiots like Michael and DW!Jim is happy because he can go back to slacking off and owning the rest of the office like he usually does with his pranks!So I guess things are back to normal which should make for boring episodes of The Office!
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Carell did a good job directing.
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Didn't like the premise but like Charles Miner and some of the other stuff.
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Next time you contribute, why dont you address me or everybody else calling you out on your bullshit. Save Chuck, Save Better Off Ted.
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I saw the episode. The Michael Scott Paper Company fails, but somehow Michael gets his job back, and he immeaditely fires the black guy. He said it emphatically. In past episodes, Michael has made racist statements, but we were led to believe that it was just because he was stupid. Now, I think differently. I think it drove Michael crazy that a black guy had replaced him, and he did everything he could to destroy his career. It worked.
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And Michael didn't have any power to fire him. At the end, Michael was simply telling him to leave and go back to NY headquarters.
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and three big reasons are named Stanley, Darrell and Kelly. He's fought for Stanley to stay when the prospect of the ole' crossword puzzler leaving even possibly came up. He looks up to Darrell, often asking him for advice. And he has helped Kelly on more than one occasion (in some of his flashes of kindhearted brilliance) to feel better about herself and get over her low, shallow self image.
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It ended the only way it could: "No, no. You're done."
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That is just stupid.
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10/10. Would be trolled by you again A++++++++++
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But the Office was completely awesome.
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I've seen some more of his work. It is brilliant in its simplicity, no?
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Considering what a giant nerd Tina Fey is. Carrie Fisher stating, "Help me Liz Lemon, you're my only hope", Cyberdyne being mentioned in news crawls, and last nights shout out to Mad Men, when Kenneth stated "My real name is Dick Whitman.."as he passed out from strawberry poisoning. Come on people, this show is written for tv junkies like us.
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She looks great. And if Leafar the Lost is serious then he is an unbelievable idiot.
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set of stereotypes (blacks are automatically good at basketball).
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I really liked Miss Guided too. Silly but entertaining.
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where Sam & Dean met their brother (named after a certain Brady cousin)? schnorbis, Miss Guided was a fun show. Some of the best jokes were in the background. One I loved was behind the VP as he was talking. There was a banner for football championships, which looked brand new, that showed the year of their one and only city title, 1957. Not sure why, but the thought of the school getting that made up every few years, and proudly displaying it, made me laugh.
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uh, i think you may have mental problems dude. first, what is with all the exclamation points? are you really this upset? second, you do realize this is just a show and "poor charles" didn't actually waste two weeks of his life? These are just characters on show, a show you clearly identify with a little too closely. Maybe try spending some time outside for awhile....
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I expected more from The Office. This show is done. End it this season. I can't imagine the ratings are that great anymore. Bring on the Creed Spinoff!!!
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Poheler deserves a better cast and better writers and a better concept. She has made the penis graffitee joke twice and the mural of the history of pawnee joke twice in two episodes; they've had months to craft this thing and they are already recycling? All of the characters are douchebags (even her mother is a douche - wtf?) w/ the exception of amy and rashida (and her role doesn't even make any sense - she's a nurse; how does she have all this time to hang around local govmt types)? Worst of all - just aint funny; seriously - really seriously just aint funny. at all.
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Great episode, but I really think it has gone about as far as it can go. Gervais knew the premise was going to be short lived from the start; nbc is so desperate it is ordering dozens of additional eps each season so it can sandwich them around crap like Parks and Rec thereby speeding its demise.
I was thinking - there are so many people out of work these days, why don't we all pitch in and start flooding the networks with pitches and scripts for new (non-mockumentary) programming...there have to be some funnier ideas out there than the running scrabble gag on P&R last night. -
I'm with you on both points, but mostly the first one. Yes, definitely the first one.
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a "Typical SitCom Restorative Bullshit Conclusion" is exactly not what is expected on The Office. I was waiting for Michael to fuck it up, and he played the negotiation beautifully. It helped that Charles backed Dwight until the bee meltdown, and I'm sure David viewed that as a major setback towards Charles' management judgement.
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Yes, randomly competent Michael Scott is a new revelation, but previously no matter how bad Michael fucked things up he always managed to somehow keep his job. This was just the biggest example of that thus far. So, I guess I was wrong about expecting more from the Office. Just wanted something different. Was switching back and forth between it and the Flyers game so I guess I'll have to watch it in its entirety since the general consensus is that it was a great ep.
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I believed that Michael was just an idiot who believed all of the racial stereotypes, until last night's episode. Michael had no problem with black people working "for" him. The problem for Michael started when a black man took over his position. He couldn't handle it, and he did everything he could to undercut his former company. Look, maybe the writers of "The Office" are not aware that they are writing Michael as a racist character. Maybe the writer's inner racism is hidden even from them. It amazes me that when I tell the truth, as I see it, I am labeled as a "troll". I guess some people can't handle opinions that are different from their own. It would be nice if you could just read things that you like, but so what? This is just a stupid sitcom on a stupid network, and you are wasting your time reading this stupid talkback from an "unbelievable idiot".
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He didn't have a problem with Charles because he was black. He had a problem with Charles because Charles was given HIS job!! Fuck, I get so sick of people trying to make a racial conflict out of every situation pitting a white against a black. It's just total bullshit.
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To continue Sonny's theory above, if a caucasian actor was cast in the role, Michael's actions would have been the same. No one's branding you, (well I'm not) we just think your conclusions are wrong.
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Have you seen the way he treats Toby? There isn't anyone he treats worse than Toby. Why? Because Toby, as the HR rep, doesn't work for Michael, he works for the company. As far as Michael is concerned Toby is an unnecessary intrusion in his company and is a constant killjoy. Much like the way he felt about Charles being forced on him. Had Charles been played by any actor it would have played out in the exact same way.
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has an appropriate handle, guys. He's just lost.
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Michael is obviously racist! He hit Meredith with his car but was aiming for Darrel. He called Charles the n word. Remember that time he crucified a black baby?
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I mean its not like Michael hasn't said some pretty racist, homophobic, and sexist things!But I do agree Michael hates corporate and thats why he hates Charles and Tobey.
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In case you haven't noticed, Michael is a horrible person with very little redeeming value. He hates Toby for no reason, he makes sexual remarks about Pam, he can't help but point out minorities, and he's selfish. The only good thing about him is he's loyal to his long time employees, but this too could be a selfish act since he fears change.
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They established that he was DF's number one salemsan at one point. I love how they have made Michael someone who was promoted to the level of their incompetence. Every time he has to sell something to someone he comes across as a charming man with a plan. When he's managing people and interpersonal relationships he sucks horribly. This was totally consistent with his character. He sold them on his company being worth millions over time.
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Did he?
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Apr 24, 2009 5:38:15 PM CDT
Oh, and I still ask, as I do every week, why is there no 30 Rock
by billypilgrimisunstuck
A Battlestar reference AND a Mad Men reference in one episode? Really? Why is this not discussed here?
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I think it's overtly racist to believe that the only necessary reason for Michael to leave the company is because the man that was challenging his authority was black--not because the man had a completely different worth ethic, sense of humor, and demeanor about him, but because the color of skin was different. I think someone hear is mistaking a possible sufficient condition for a necessary causal one. For shame. Think before you speak, Troll.
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An idiot savant, sure. He is clueless, overbearing, and a bit of a narcissist. But he is not a racist. He acts like an idiot around white people to. He wants the acceptance of the black person, and tries to emulate them, though unsuccessfully.
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calling michael racist is out of this world insanely idiodic. Yes, he definately believes in stereotypes, and while that does make his character a very minor form of racist... but instead of using the word racist, i'd say that he's just very, very ignorant. his character is ignorant in soooo many ways--the character isn't racist, because his character shows his ignorance of soooo many things all across the board. plus, the show doesn't let him get away with it. The show ALWAYS shows the other characters making expressions that make it clear how stupid michael really is. But also, there is no chance in hell he is a racist and the proof of that is when he was doing the auction and the warehouse guys put up a 'go to the bar right now and we'll buy you a free drink' for auction. Michael immediately wants to bid, but they say he needs to keep running the auction so jim bids five dollars and the warehouse guys take it right away. Michael even made a comment that going to hang out with the warehouse guys was one of the things he's dreamt of doing. That and that alone is indisputable proof that michael is not a racist... even a little. Would a racist keep going to black guys for advice? Yes, michael is very, very stereotypical, but there's a big difference between stereotypical ignorance and a racist. I roomed with two defensive lineman football players at USC and gained plenty of black friends. Some of my fraternity brothers would want to come over to hang out with myself and the football players, and that resulted in a fair amount of subtle stereotypical comments, but the huge difference is that my black friends easily laughed about it and responded in some very funny ways that put my frat brothers in their place, but not in any way did it create tension and hostility. So, what i'm getting at, is that black people (or at least all the black friends i have) can easily brush aside ignorant and nonmalicious stereotypical comments, but they will NEVER stand for racist comments and let someone get away with it. I think you're being called a troll, leafar, because you're trying to start a flame war about a very sensative issue that is simply nonexistent, in any way, in the show.
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and continues to let it dictate most of his actions. He himself has stated that selling paper is the only thing he knows how to do that is his own making, explained further by his, "If this paper company fails, I'll just start another one; if that one fails, I'll start another one.." last night. He is a weak person perhaps but is generally warm hearted. And not racist. He has no close friends and his childhood seems to be less than desired - he was drawing horses with spikes through their heads before he even knew what a unicorn was, "Couldn't even talk yet. I was five." - and it seems to me a little simplistic to make such a sweeping statement.
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That's insane. He may be a little ignorant and insensitive, but he's not a racist. In fact, dude actually WANTS TO BE BLACK!
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and means no harm. He is genuinely surprised when others are offended.
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No wasted time--quirky odd moments (the Koreans just getting on the van, one still sitting there, pissed off, was super!). Jim back on top of his game, manipulating Dwight, and Dwight's Plan Bee was fantastic.Michael's mono a mono with David ("I don't have to wait Dunder Mifflin out, I just have to wait YOU out.") was spectacular.This was the best one since the one where Holly thought whatsisname was a Special Needs guy.Welcome Back to Greatness, Office!
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been a long week......
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I'm always interested in any David Wallace appearances. He seems to allow for the possibility that someone like Michael would stay working at this company. Wallace kind of likes Michael, and is a fan of Jim's. He never comes off as mean and even genuinely thought Michael was right about not getting a 15 year party.I too really expected them to know the company was nearly broke. But it's actually true, money-wise, Michael got a better deal.
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Pam: Who can be a criminal in our office?Michael: Hannah? Andy?. Kevin: Martin? (zooms in on Martin. A Black man) Michael: You are such a racist! Kevin: Wait why am I a racist? Michael: Cause you think he's black!
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Not sure if you're just looking for trouble or what. Michaal thinks work should include fun and that the employees should be family. This is for the most part a stupid notion on his part, but Charles would have none of that in the office, and was forceful and "boss-like". That is why Michael didn't want to work for him.What's most hilarious about this is arguing this point as if Michael is a real person with some secret motivations. The racist angle here is not something intended by the writers, and thus does not exist. Ridiculous!
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He got people talking - it was trolling of Win.
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I seem to remember him not being an actor - at all - but a real life NBC exec. Did I just make that up or can someone confirm?
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Apr 25, 2009 7:42:04 AM CDT
...Rev. Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson have never brought this up.
by leafar the lost
Michael is not a real person. I think the racism is something that the writers have put in. It is something that Michael isn't aware of, due to his stupidity. It is very clear to me that Michael believes in racial stereotypes, and in my opinion that is racism. It doesn't matter to me that his racism stems from his ignorance. I really didn't care about it until the last episode, when he insisted that one of the conditions of his return was that the Black Guy, who replaced him, go away. Michael wanted to be in charge again of his Office. I saw, beneath the surface, the racism that Michael has in his heart come out. In the end Michael got what he wanted. He told the Black Guy that he was done, and he said it in a way the revealed some hatred.
Someone earlier talked about being friends with Black football players, and that is a good example. Michael thinks of himself as the Coach of his team, and he has no problem at all with Black people being part of his team, and he will go out of his way to get them to like him. He wants everyone to like him. However, the difference in these recent episodes was a Black Guy had taken over his job. He doesn't like Charles, but he doesn't hate him. He hates Toby, but that is due to many reasons. With the Black Guy it was different. If you think this is "trolling" then so be it. I really don't get what the big deal is about, and why so many people are reacting to this. The character of Michael is a nice and stupid guy played brilliantly by Steve Carell, but I wouldn't be honest with all of you geeks if I said he wasn't a racist. All of the examples that you have given in this talkback about Michael prove my "point of view". BTW, I am very surprised that Rev. Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson have never brought this up. Maybe they will now. -
Not only for defending your veiwpoint without name calling but for attacking the episode from your own point of view. But I still think your opinion is a bit skewed because you think that what Micheal did to Charles was intentionally race based. You might be projecting a little.
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Yes, Michael disliked Charles, wanted him gone, and even took pleasure at pushing him out of the office. And, yes, Charles is black. But the two are not related. There was nothing in Michael's interaction with Charles to suggest that. Your only argument that Michael is racist, or more correctly, that the writers have made him a racist, is due to the fact that the actor who played Charles is black. Watch it again but don't think of Charles as the "Black Guy", only look at him as Michael's nemesis (like Tobey). Pay attention to the character, not the actor's skin colour.
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When he told him he was "done," was throwing back on Charles EXACTLY what Charles did to Michael when the roles were reversed. That's the problem, Leafar...you are transposing stuff onto the show with no sense of context at all. Michael did to Charles PRECISELY WHAT CHARLES HAD DONE TO HIM. So are you going to argue that Charles is racist as well? The true telling point is this: would the arc have played out any differently had the actor not been black? Not one bit.
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zacdilone-- EXACTLY. Lefear--if you really believe michael hates charles, then it makes you (in a certain sense) more of a racist than the writers or michael. When the rest of us looka at Charles, we see an intelligent man who doesn't stand for the rediculous shit michael does. That's how he was written--he was written to be one of the only guys on the show who has ever put michael in his place (and michael definately needed to be put in his place). Its funny you say that the writers are racist, because there is absolutely nothing, and i mean not even a single line, in the writing that says the character needs to be black. If you want to attack anyone with your distorted view of this show, blame the casting directors... the difference between you and us is that we see the character as just another character. you see him and you jump right into the issue of race. When you say that there are racist elements at work, you make it clear when you look at him you see him as a black man. That says a hell of alot about you, because what you see in the show is a black guy first, and a new manager who doesn't stand for michaels shit second. You completely ignore the real reason that michael hates him because you see a black character instead of a character, period. leafar-- YOU'RE FIRED!!!
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Actually, I think Zacdilone made a good observation. Yes, I think that Charles is racist too. I think he was written in a way that he took pleasure in telling White people what to do. He saw Michael as the worst example of a White person, or he saw in Michael everything he hated about White people. So, you might say that two, racist characters clashed, and in this story Michael won. I didn't see the racism in Charles until Zacdilone pointed it out. Thanks.
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congratulations Leafar, you did what you set out to do--make rediculous claims to bait us all into wasting our time with your off the charts idiodic theory. I have decided you are an official troll as you choose, several times, to ignore the simple truth that nobody like michael could ever hold a manager-level job. Charles comes in and doesn't take michaels shit immediately, because and idiot could see that michael is too stupid to be anyone's boss. Charles gave him no respect because nobody like michael in the real world could possibly be respected like a manager needs to be. Everyone has always kept their true opinions of michael quiet, until Charles. Michael gets put in his place by charles and as a result hates him. its that fucking simple. you REFUSE to acknowledge this even a little. YOU'RE FIRED! WE'RE DONE, PROFESSIONALLY.
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What is wrong with you Leafar??? Yes, you're a troll, that much is clear now, but you have been given two clear conclusions as far as how to approach this topic. WHY do you so desperately want to jump to the completely irrational conclusion that THE TWO CHARACTERS ARE RACIST, instead the obvious: TWO PEOPLE HATE EACH OTHER BECAUSE EACH OF THEM TRIED TO STEAL THEIR JOBS. its simple. you're an idiot. YOU'RE FIRED! WE'RE DONE, PROFESSIONALLY. AND YOU'RE RACIST.
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Leafer, if you honestly believe what you are saying, your lunacy is truly world-class. Honestly, you should probably be out there with Sharpton and Jackson spewing divisiveness. ou could probably make a very comfortable living at it like they do. Put simply, there is not a single, solitary line in the entire six-episode arc of Charles Minor that is related to race in any way, shape or form. To claim that racism was involved in Michael's attitude is, at a fundamental level, a fallacious argument. It can't be substantiated. There is nothing you can pluck out from the show that in any way supports it. Therefore, your assertion is as believable as unicorns. It simply has no backbone an falls apart under the most rudimentary scrutiny.
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Angela's expense report enforcement, mentioned in the synopsis, was one line. Still loved the episode, I hope moving forward we get to see more competent Michael, I know therehave always been flashes, but it'd be refreshing to see it just a bit more consistently.
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The following are some quotes on racism. I was inspired by that Rongo guy. Just because you can't see Unicorns, it doesn't mean they don't exist. You can't see Racism, but we all know it is real.
Leafer, if you honestly believe what you are saying, your lunacy is truly world-class. Honestly, you should probably be out there with Sharpton and Jackson spewing divisiveness.~RongoRongoMu
Racism isn't born, folks, it's taught. I have a two-year-old son. You know what he hates? Naps! End of list. ~Dennis Leary
One day our descendants will think it incredible that we paid so much attention to things like the amount of melanin in our skin or the shape of our eyes or our gender instead of the unique identities of each of us as complex human beings. ~Franklin Thomas
I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality.... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
I think you should defend to the death their right to march, and then go down and meet them with baseball bats. ~Woody Allen, on the Ku Klux Klan
The conquest of the earth, which mostly means the taking it away from those who have a different complexion or slightly flatter noses than ourselves, is not a pretty thing when you look into it. ~Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness
Jim Bakker spells his name with 2 k's because 3 would be too obvious. ~Bill Maher
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Well, since this tb is all about making ridiculous claims, i'll join in. Pam is a racist, so there. I don't have any solid evidence to back up this statement, but then, evidence is, apparently, not necessary.
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