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The LOST Showrunners Answer 10 Of Your 181 Questions!!
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Readers asked 181 questions of “Lost” showrunners Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof. The great Kathy Lyford of Variety passed along 20 of them. The showrunners answered 10. Some of the questions that did NOT get answered:
* Why did Kate need to claim Aaron was her baby? Why couldn't they just say Claire died in childbirth? And will we ever find out Libby's deal, why she was in an asylum, etc? -- “Ian”
* How is Widmore keeping track of the island's location in time/space? Is he using Google Earth? – “Miguel”
* Christian sure knows a lot about this island and its mysterious process. Is this hinting that Christian Shepherd has been on the island before and was always wanting to get back, which could loosely explain a part of his hardcore drinking habits? Maybe he was a doctor on the island? – “Shawn Lebert”
* Is [“Lost”] what you had pictured it to be before even the pilot-episode was shot, or have some elements changed quite dramatically? Have there been a lot of ideas/directions of the plot you've had to scrap?? – “Matias”
Who’s been flying in the Swan Station groceries? If failing to punch the Swan Station button always results in magnetic disaster, why not devise a code easier to input than “4 8 15 16 23 42”? (Like maybe just “4”?) And why not stick a third or fourth guy down there? If Henry Gale was a real guy with a real driver’s license, why did Ben borrow his of all names? Why did Walt refer to John Locke as “Jeremy Bentham” instead of “John” when Walt visited the Hurley Reyes of Oceanic Six fame? Why did Desmond let Ben get away at the harbor? Why did Kate let her romance with Jack disintegrate rather than simply explain she was fulfilling Sawyer’s final wish by looking after Sawyer’s baby mama? Why can Richard, Tom, Locke, Charlotte, Daniel, Miles, Frank, Sun, Jin, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid leave the island and return but not Charles Widmore?
None of these questions were answered. Find the 10 which were here.
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Good article.
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Clipshow talkbalk. YEAH!!!
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I would have just asked 1 question 10 times. Who the fuck is Jacob.
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Come on, we must have known that they wouldn't answer any spoiler questions. In fact give the questions that were answered I have to wonder if any of the 20 sent on were spoiler questions at all.
Not that I mind, I'm happy enough to wait and watch but it's kinda false advertising in a way to say you'll answer questions but then not answer any of the ones that people really want to know. -
because they're all really idiotic questions...
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I really didn't get anything out of their answers. Mainly stuff we kind of already knew....
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Those are some really stupid questions that could have been asked of anyone making a TV series.
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A huge patting of themselves on the back. What a crappy article. They would have been better off just bragging for a 3 page article.
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Supernatural will be on tomorrow, won't get one.
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..."get's".
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WTF!? False advertising anyone? Dammit!
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They're not gonna pick up many new viwers this late in the game, and if so, they have other places to catch up. Hell, why don't they just alert people to a clip show available on their website each week? They don't need to run them outside of premiere or final nights. And if Peter Coyote isn't narrating them, they don't need to air them at all.
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...I'll bet my life on it.
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The questions they "answered" were lame.
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I think it is sort of a Mockumentary of a conspiracy theory show about the oceanic six, maybe with some recap stuff added in. -
Did you really want to ask crazy spoiler questions like, 'who is Jacob' or 'what is the island'? 'Cause you would have gotten the same answer ten times. 'Wait and see'. I'd rather have questions they can actually answer, without giving away the gee-dee plot. Seriously.
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But hey, I'm a Lost fan.
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He doesn't know the "formula." Having a dead person, plus people who are destined to be there and/or have already been. You definitely need a dead guy.
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The question was in there but then they didn't answer. I think that says something.
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I'm right there with you. It's not like the showrunners were saying none of these questions would be answered.
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they can do whatever they want with this show, and people will still tune in. it's a cultural phenomenon, not an actually coherent, narrative program. Lost is the emperor's new clothes, and that's fine. it's harmless, whatever. but when people still try to hold it up and examine it as a great show, come on. you'll paralyze yourself trying to bend over that far backwards.The West Wing was a great show. Lost is just crack on an island.
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They probably just hadn't heard of that show (book? I've actually not heard of it either, but seems intriguing. Something worth checking out?).
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that's why he can't come back. Kate had to claim Aaron was hers because otherwise they would have taken him away from her. You can't just keep a random lady's baby after she dies, the government gets involved. The question is, why did she want to keep aaron? Claire had a mom who was perfectly capable of taking care of him.
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I've been so busy I've not kept up with last week's LOST TB. How about it, 4we8 and the crew - are we settling in here for the next 7 days?
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It's IMPOSSIBLE to new viewers to jump onto the series at this point, and any regular viewer with half-a-brain can follow what has happened up until now, so tonight's "episode" pissed me the fuck off. It even had a "NEW!!!" loge in TV Guide. Dammit...
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[Sawyer]Son of a BITCH![/Sawyer]
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They'll show the preview for the next actual episode, but they'll do a special wednesday show next week with ads making you think it's a regular episode with "special" meaning it's just airing on a another night due to basketball and then when you get all pumped up to watch it, it's a fucking clip show.
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that whole interview - the questions chosen & answers given - was down right homosexual.
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Did anyone else notice the comment on this article?
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...actually Charles Widmore's parents? Which freaked out Ben when he saw him on the boat because he knew if he died, he couldn't save him from his bullet wound?
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agreed.
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No Ben just has unresolved mommy issues.
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They do that on the podcast every week.
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It had fabulous style and liked to suck cock?
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While I agree with your sentiments on the West Wing, you're really selling Lost short...
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They mentioned that they had big plans for Eko but Adewale pretty much nixed em when he asked out. I'd like to know what they planned for Eko. And yeah those questions were useless.
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Awesome! They freakin' ignored mine! Course, I don't even remember what I asked...
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Seriously? Why did Kate claim Aaron? Because like she STATED in an earlier episode, she felt the need to protect him herself. And for God's sake, WIDMORE CAN'T GO BACK BC HE CAN'T FUCKING FIND THE ISLAND. Pay some damn attention for once. You're acting as bad as Harry with this immature shit.
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That was a by the numbers clip show that sucked.
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Yes, we know you had a bigger plan for him. Yes, we know the actor wanted to leave. Yes, we DON'T know what your plan for Eko was- can you please now tell us? No? Then when! This was the PERFECT opportunity!
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Apr 22, 2009 11:42:33 PM CDT
Clip show and fluf BS questions - WORST LOST WEDNESDAY IN HISTOR
by tallboy66
I defy you pick another "Lost Wednesday" that was worse than this one. Ick.
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I hate having my headers cut off.
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We got a confirmation that it WAS indeed Charles Widmore who faked the plane crash. It was implied last week when Miles talked to the dead guy on his way to see ole Charles. But it was still ambiguous. The guy could have been a spy taking vital information to Widmore about Ben's coverup of the crash. Tonight Alpert flat out said Widdy was responsible for faking the underwater 815.
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Like most ALL the past recap shows have done, what they choose to focus on is usually indicative of what's going to happen in the next few episodes. I would have rather this been a recap about the Swan Station, mentioning the Incident, maybe show some Jacob, talk about the Purge, etc. Then, those of us who've remained spoiler-free, might have ideas about where the series is going. But no. Instead it was just stuff on the Oceanic 6? Well that's not so interesting. If they mentioned Claire, THEN we might be getting somewhere intriguing.
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From http://tinyurl.com/dgbavz
BE: Will we ever find out why Libby was in the mental institution and if she knew Hurley pre-island?
CC: No, we feel like we resolved Libby’s fate, and for the fans that are still obsessing about Libby, maybe at some point someone will write sort of a “Star Wars”-like novel about the story of Libby, but we don’t consider that to be a major story thread for us."--------Grrr. They sure flip flopped on that one. Heres what they used to say: "She'll be in enough of the show for us to fill in the missing pieces of her story," says Cuse. Source: The Ausiello Report. 02/12/2006 - Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof reveal: Given everything else we have to tell, [Libby's story] is going to be a mystery that's going to have to get answered in year 4. There's really one significant missing piece to Libby's story. We saw in the season finale last year that she met with Desmond, she gave him his boat, and we know that her husband died — and then we know that subsequent to that, she spent some time in a mental institution, the same one as Hurley. The question the audience wants answered is, How did she get from A to B — from Desmond to the mental institution? We know the answer to that question, but the only way to tell that story is through another character's flashback, and that character would have to be another character on the show who is not among the beach dwellers. Source: Kristin on E!Online05/14/2006 - Damon Lindelof [reveals]: Libby's got this mysterious backstory, of which we've only given you the tip of the iceberg. We know she's spent some time in the mental institution with Hurley, and the idea of killing her before she had an opportunity to explain how she got there... we have a master plan for how we're going to tell that story, but it's all posthumous. You'll start to learn Libby's moves through flashbacks over the course of the next season. -
Unless its very important in understanding what's about to come. IE, its important to know what the O6 did off-Island IF that influences what the O6 are about to go through in the future. I missed the second half of the show tonight, but I get the feeling what they showed doesn't qualify.
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Apr 22, 2009 11:48:21 PM CDT
D.Vader - Eko was going to fight Locke for "spiritual leadership
by tallboy66
I found that answer buried away somewhere. Him and Locke were going to be island priests vying for the castaways whatever. Can't be arsed to source it. That's it. "Spiritual leadership." I'm disappointed that Cruise / Lindeolf sold Eko's death short. I thought it was badass. "You speak to me as if I am your brother" and BAM!!! Smokey-related death. I dig.
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They probably DO have a master plan for Libby's backstory. But is it important to the overall plot? No. And that's what they meant by "we've told her story." All that's left would have nothing to do with the current storyline. Which is a consequence of these shortened seasons- which I am NOT a fan of. I really miss the drawn out seasons with different stories allowing us to go in-depth with different characters and their histories (like Miles episode last week). Everything now is plot, plot, plot. I really wish they'd do a 20 episode season and give us some room to breathe.
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She gave her boat to Desmond because she was emotionally moved by it > was a crazy person who was also crazy like Hurley > crashed on island > hooked up with guy she remembered in crazy house > died. So there isn't really a big-missing piece of mythology here. Short version: She was a crazy person with a boat who died on the island. It doesn't seem like something that really needs to be delved into all that deeply or even revisited.
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That really, really pisses me off. I knew I remembered them saying that. Fucking liars. "her story is over, enough has been told. Her character is wrapped". Fuck you
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Apr 22, 2009 11:57:15 PM CDT
Her with Hurley / Desmond is another off those coincidences
by tallboy66
coincidences that happen all the time on this show, so don't read too much into it because almost EVERYBODY met somebody else before the island. It's not a plot thing, it's more a thematic thing.
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Spiritual leadership? Okay, I get that Eko was in tune with the Island a bit too, but where would he go? Would he have been able to build his church? Would he get the followers Locke was unable to? I just wanted more than a simple logline as the one you quoted, and I'm disappointed they didn't give it to us.
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I agree...I do like the faster pace of the shortened seasons, but the trade off is we get truncated explainations of things, or in Liddy's case, completely abandoned ones.
People complained about episodes in the longer seasons being "filler," but some of that filler was used to answer smaller questions and fill in holes... like the Nikki and Paulo episode...pure filler but we got to see a different perspective on many things we'd already seen. Libby's story while not necessary to the overall arc, would have at least left people satisfied that a dangling plot thread had been resolved. -
If you watched the series Oz (brilliant by the way, but strictly for mature audiencies), Adewale was fantastic there, and him not wanting to stay around has been one of the biggest disappointments for me in regards to Lost.
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The Lost guys have been very ambitious with the amount of characters on the show, including the new ones introduced. Has been interesting/frustrating/challenging in how they have handled this.
Per their comments some books/mini episodes or comics would be a great way to expand their universe outside the limited show.
I for one am a huge Desmond fan and hence have been disappointed with how little we have seen of him this season.
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Like when the show started, it was all about the characters- learning who they were, why they were there, why they're the way they are- with a bit of Island mystery mixed in. It stayed that way all through Season 2 and most of Season 3. Season 3 is where we started getting some more serious plot progression (Jacob! A Freighter's parked off the Island! Desmond can time travel!), though we still got some great insight into the characters (instant classic- Ben's first flashback episode). Then Season 4 started the truncated seasons and everything was BAM BAM BAM- Plot progression with small dashes of character in between (in the form of O6 flashforwards). If we ever get any insight into a new character, it feels very rushed. I would have liked for Charlotte to have a flashback before she died, and I hope Faraday's story is good. But I miss the 22-24 episode season. If we still had that, we may have gotten some more stories about what happened to the O6 off-Island, or maybe an incident that happened to Sawyer and the gang during their 3 years with the DI. Jin having trouble learning english. Encounters with 70s style Others, etc. Ah well. I still love the show, but right now, Seasons 1, 2, and 3 are better than 4 and 5.
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...I guess it's possible for doctors to go crazy too, but the fact that she was a psychiatrist makes her appearance in the nuthouse somewhat mysterious. I guess you could assume she just happened to pick it all up from the nurses and doctors in Santa Rosa and she lied about her identity, but her past is so ambiguous that it almost asks the questions itself. I have a feeling whatever else they may have been thinking of doing with her was just incorporated into another character's backstory, and whatever was left over wasn't enough to warrant bringing her back. Anyway, MY question: what is the deal with the Others' "disguises"? I can see dressing simply out of some weird sense of propriety, but their change in wardrobe always seems so arbitrary. Sometimes they look like they walked out of a J. Crew catalog, other times they look like a bunch of hobos. And Tom's "beard"? I assume that wasn't just a metaphor for his being gay, so what gives? This is a question I would really love to see answered because I rarely see it brought up, but it could just be one of those things where they changed their mind about what they wanted the characters to be mid-show and couldn't find a way to completely reconcile the two, so even if there is no actual "answer" per se, I would like the closure.
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1. Kate explains to Jack in 'The Lie' that she has lost too many people in the past few days (Jin, Michael, Sawyer, etc.). She can't take it if another one of their tribe is lost, especially a baby. At this point, Kate knows that Claire was giving up the baby to adoption--assuming that Claire had no one else that would want the kid, she took the kid for herself. In 'Whatever Happened, Happened', Kate confirmed that she kept Aaron for selfish reasons; as Cassidy points out, she kept Aaron for her benefit and not anyone else's.
2. I don't think Widmore is. As Miles says in 'Because You Left', it took him 20 years to find the island. I think we can deduce that Widmore found the island the same way Penny did, by tracking where he knows the island to pass through and waiting for an electromagnetic anomoly to happen...like say...the Swan Hatch blowing up? Penny and Charles found the island at the same time and both found coordinates to go explore that general area. By chance, Naomi found the island when her helicopter crashed (perhaps she accidentally found the bearing that would make it possible to find the island?) and Penny found the island when Charlie called her station.
3. This is very possible. The only people we have seen so far in Jacob's cabin is part of the Shephard bloodline (Claire and Christian). Christian's past encounters with other castaways can play the same role as Eloise, Desmond's monk and Matthew Abbadon (people that get people to where they need to be). He also returned to the island the same way Locke did. His father (Jack's grandpa), Ray, has a knack for always wanting to run to a "better" place (perhaps to the island?). In the mobil-sodes, the last one showed Christian standing in his suit in the middle of hte jungle, talking to Vincent, telling him to find his son cause he has work to do. A good chance Christian has intimate ties with the island (perhaps part of Charles' original Others group?)
4. Carlton Cuse has always said that they've always knew where they started and have always known where they want to end. Analogy: They're in LA and they want to get to NY, but they don't know what route they want to take and how long it will take. I say from after the middle of season 3, they finally committed to what they wanted to do, while laying foundations for possibilities up until that point.
5. Groceries? Timespace anomaly? Best I can come up with? Numbers? I think a better question is why not just make it automatic? I think the Swan was half real/half psychological test, which would explain why only two people were in there (other than the level of secrecy the Swan and Orchid had). Henry Gale? He picked the name because he knew that if it came down to it, there would be a viable and believable story to tell. Ben never expected Sayid to be crazy enough to dig up the grave. Jeremy Bentham? Perhaps there's a deleted scene where Locke explains to one of the 6 that his codename is important since he didn't want anyone that could possibly hurt him to find him? Realistically, it was more convenient to write it that way before we knew who Bentham was. Desmond and Ben at the harbor? He beats the shit out of him and then throws him the water. For all he knows he could be dead. Protect the family first I suppose? Kate and Jack? Kate told Jack, when asked why she wouldn't just tell him, that 'Sawyer wouldn't want him to'. Jack let it disintegrate by drinking and popping pills, driving her and Aaron away. Widmroe not returning the island? Maybe it has to do with the famous 'rules' we always hear of. Maybe once a leader is exhiled, he or she can never come back. Maybe harming one of their tribe is breaking the rules (like killing Alex and Juliet killing Danny).
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CHERRY - thanks for noticing me. I noticed, too, how they included my question but then didn't bother to even acknowledge it. Fain88 - YES, absolutely, CHILDREN OF THE STONES is worth checking out - and you can get it on Netflix and amazon.com. In fact, I honestly like that show so much - and think it relates so strongly to LOST - that I recommend it to any LOST fan sight unseen. Everyone I've shown it to has agreed with me (and I've been pushing the connection since Season 2) agrees with me they lifted MAJOR plot elements/characterization/etc from COTS for LOST.
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Why didn't Desmond "finish the job" on Ben? Really? You mean, like dive into the water and swim after him or something? He'd just been shot in the stomach; the fact that he managed to beat the crap out of him at all is impressive.
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Who says there is nothing new to talk about??
Three things that I have never heard or read about Lost:
1. Alan Dale (Charles Widmore, Sr.) played Praetor Hiren in a brief scene in Star Trek:Nemesis. In one of his only lines...he refers to a place called "Black Rock"...coincidence?
2. Everyone agrees that the statue is Osiris...and the hatch hieroglyphics said "Underworld". However, I haven't seen it mentioned that Osiris has THREE powers or domains:
a. God of the Underworld
b. The highest of Egyptian FERTILITY gods
c. God of REBIRTH
If this is out there...I'd never heard it tied to Lost. But with "The Incident" and Locke's rebirth...well, just thought I'd point it out to respected colleagues
3. Sun was not transported to the 70s...because she was thrown to the "other" side of the plane when it was turbulancing (and yes, I know it's not a word...but it should be.)
4. OH SNAP! There is a fourth. That crazy lady who has been haunting this forum for the last few weeks...screeching that, "no one has EVER physically traveled into the future on Lost...blah, blah". Ben did. Case closed. Move on.
It's just CRAZY how people just yak about time travel...like they know what they are talking about. Please!!
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did these guys forget mentioning this fact during early interviews???
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Shit. he's rumored to have at least one more now because he had an affair off island with someone.
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After that interview
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in respect for those who don't want to be spoiled
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on LOSTpedia haven't pointed at Osiris, yet: http://tinyurl.com/dg9rek
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Yeah, I could just leave Libby's dangling storyline as a thematic rather than a plot element. The reason that I - and I suspect others - have an issue with this is that the show made a point of raising the question of how and why Hurley and Libby recognized each other. It wasn't just some random run-in like Sawyer and Boone at the police station, Desmond and Jack at the stadium, Sawyer and Christian at the bar, Kate and Cassidy at the gas station, etc., etc. The Hurley-Libby thing was actually couched as a mystery that Libby seemed to be keeping from Hurley. Now, maybe that wasn't the case, and frankly I don't really care that much about the Libby storyline, but I do understand why people feel shortchanged on that thread. Hell, they even used the reveal of Libby as a patient at Hurley's hospital as the final beat of an episode, didn't they?
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The questions are a waste of time.
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and they ask them THOSE shitty questions. Come on. You get the fucking guys that created the damn show, and you ask, "Gee, is it cool you can shoot on an island." question? FUCK!!
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Because the writers don't have a fucking clue what they're doing. They just insert something cool, and hope someone else can retcon it into making sense further down the road.
This should be somewhat familiar to anyone who's ever watched, oh, I don't know, let's pick a show at random, Galactica. -
S2 dragged... S3 only started getting really good after 311... Hell, even the condensed S4 and S5 have had some poor eps. What I do miss, however, is characters getting a chance to step back and think things through. We didn't have a period of transition for any of the 06 where they got used to their jobs. Hurley's delivering sandwiches; Kate doesn't even appear to be working anymore - where's the 'contemplation?' Hell, being really cynical... where are the Jin/Juliet/Miles flashbacks to ON ISLAND during the time-shift. Are you telling me NOTHING of merit happened to them in the three years? BULLSHIT.
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was that their lives were going fairly well, but inside they knew it wouldn't last, it was too good. Then things went to shit, and the 06 had to decide if they wanted to go back. Given the crazy nonsense they've all dealt with they no doubt began to think that they might not really be back in the "real world", the only exception is hurley who started to see dead people and landed himself in the funny farm again... but still he told jack they needed to go back.
There's. Your damn contemplation.
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of the recent TNG Family Guy, "Mr. Lindelof, I have a problem with my guttering, I just can't seem to stop it collecting leaves, do you have any suggestions?"
The season finale is going be epic. I think the 77ers will be the ones who cause the first "incident", maybe in an attempt to get back to the future. Except it goes badly wrong, someone dies and they get flung back even further through time. B -
of the recent TNG Family Guy, "Mr. Lindelof, I have a problem with my guttering, I just can't seem to stop it collecting leaves, do you have any suggestions?"
The season finale is going be epic. I think the 77ers will be the ones who cause the first "incident", maybe in an attempt to get back to the future. Except it goes badly wrong, someone dies and they get separated and flung back even further through time, becoming the ones who set up the island's whole mythology in the first place. Hurley looses a toe in the explosion, original inhabitants build a statue of him. Sawyer takes the name Hanzo and becomes a ship captain. Jack and Kate are the Adam and Eve skeletons, the original others are their decendants. Sayid IS the smoke monster. And so on. -
sorry for the double post, have no idea how that happened.
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Yeah - I meant their ON ISLAND JOBS. For Dharma. That are an afterthought by the writers, at best.
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surprisingly my post still makes sense, just not in relation to what you were talking about...
WAAAAH waaaaaaahhh...
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Me too. I saw the one where ben is confronted by smokey/alex. this show is on its last legs. It does my head in all that three years earlier/three years later. lack of flashbacks really killed this show.
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There is a deleted clip. You first see christian shepard standing there in the jungle and vincent appraches him and Christian says go find jack he has a job to do. cut to the famous shot of jacks eye opening and jack wakes up....
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Thats not a deleted scene. Its a webisode that appeared online between seasons 3 & 4.
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...go on and on about how it's the story of the characters that matter, not the island mythology. Fuck you! They're setting us up for disappointment...
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what a waste.
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Of all of Herc's questions, this bothers me the least. Presumably, after Desmond threw him in the water, Ben recovered and swam off, eluding capture.
Rewatching 'Something Nice Back Home' I also agree it was kinda dumb for Kate not to just come clean about Sawyer's request. But she also says she doesn't want Jack around Aaron in his current state, so really it's the start of his mental disintergration that's behind the split: the thing about Sawyer is just straw icing on the back of the camel-shaped cake. -
we already have a link to the interview, NO ONE wants to go to your shitty fansite.
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Room 23 shitty fansite????
What's wrong with you dickhead? You couldn't manage to do your own so you just let out you anger by puking on Pa's site. I go every day there and it rocks. You'd better show some respect for people who move their ass to do things in a right way! Now you can insult me if it makes you better. -
If what you say is true, then Lapidus should have also been sent back to the 70's with Jack, Kate and Hurley as he was strapped into his seat on the left side of the plane. Just a thought.
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... but did everyone notice the way the writers were hitting us over the head with circles/loops in Hoth? Punk-Miles' nose and ear rings, the stacks of tires at the motor pool, references to "circle of trust" and "traveling in circles"? Not to mention the rotated numbers (apt #7, upside down #1 on back of Mile's shirt, etc)? Very nicely done. I like it.
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Since the rest of the world thinks the losties died in the plane crash, there was no other way to explain Aaron's survival. They could have lied and said Claire survived and it was her baby, but then it would have created a series of questions about Claires body and what happened to it and perhaps a search for it as well. Too much story and loose threads to worry about. It is much easier to lie and for Kate to say it was hers.
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Gillian anderson has just been cast to play a villian in one of the dr who specials.
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As much as I respect Lindelof and Cuse, they answered the questions that were the biggest cop-out on the list. The point of it was to clear up loose ends and tie up plot holes, instead they pick the questions about what it's like to film in Hawaii and about their 6 year plan that they've talked about enough over the past 6 years. Waste of everyone's time.
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-Kate claimed Aaron as her own kid because he would have been taken away from her and given to next of kin, i.e. the Grandmother. It was established Kate did not want to give him up.
I don't know if it's actually been established that the Christian on the island is the resurrection of Christian or just the island using Christian's body to communicate with the survivors.
Swan station groceries, I thought it was explained by the time delayed rocket in season 4. The groceries parachuted in were simply on some kind of time-delay. And keep in mind that it's only happened once, you keep referring to it as it happens a few times a season.
Why did Ben use Henry Gales name? at this time in the show, who cares?
Walt referred to John as Jeremy Bentham because at that time Walt could have easily read the obituary just like everyone else.
Desmond let Ben get away because Ben threw his ass on the ground!
Kate let her romance with Jack fizzle out because she's still in love with Sawyer, at least that's what I thought.
Charles Widmore can't return because he was banned from the island. And I know what you're thinking, so was Ben but Ben went back to be judged. Charles wants to come back so he can take control of the island again. So the island won't let him return. -
GeeeZUSS just let it go. It's not even news. Darlton has been saying Libby's arc is over for over a damn year now. Is it really important to the show or plot to find out how she went nuts at one point in her life and happened to be in the same nuthouse as Hurley? Or why she sold Desmond the boat?
These are just more of the little coincidences that lost throws in from time to time. KeeeRIST, is it too much to just assume Libby's husband died, she snapped, went to a mental hospital, and because of the trauma didn't remember or recognize Hurley from the nuthouse? It's that easy folks. Deal with it. -
I'm happy. Did you really think Darlton was going to explain any mysteries in an interview? Have you never listened to their podcasts?
You know how many people asked "What the hell exactly IS the smoke monster"? Of course they are not going to answer that in an interview. You want the answers...ya gotta watch the show, ya lazy bitches! -
Libby's arc at this point is not important to the story. Also, I liked the interview questions a lot. Makes up for having no podcast last week.
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*damnit*
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The answer to you first "unanswered" was unequivocally answered in the series. It may havebeen a shitty answer, but it was because Kate needed him in her life. If they had said it was Claire's kid, it would have been taken away.
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He was banished and the Island was moved- he has no idea where the Island is. He even SAID as much in a previous episode- the Island won't let you find it. But if he found the location, like the Freighter folk did, he could probably go back. But he could not until Ben and his people were removed. Its not some rule that everyone else can break but him, as Herc seems to suggest.
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How does 4we8have15to16go23back42's dick taste?
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Only "original" survivors were sent back in time...and only in correct configuration. A person in cuffs (Sayid)...a pregnant woman (Kate)...that sort of thing.
I wasn't saying that the left side of the plane was important...I was saying that she was thrown from her seat at the last second...thus getting 'lost' by whatever force transported them back. -
Show some love for my post at 1:02 am or I will hound you mercilessly for all eternity.
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The fact of the matter is they set up a story for the audience and never followed through. You do not have a "DUM DUM DUUUMMM" moment at the end of an episode and then never follow up on it. It's not as egregious as Heroes, but it is similar to just forgetting about the Irish girl in the future.
They don't have to give any time to it. We don't need complete back stories on everyone. There is no necessity that Farady's back story ever be revealed, bit to hint that there is something of significance in his background and then never follow-up is bad writing.
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And the Others that were on the island? Also presumably stranded in 1977. Also, when Desmond's consciousness flashes back to the past, does he change the memories of other people when he does something based on future knowledge? I.e., does Faraday now remember him from his days at Oxford? And does Desmond remember having weird flashes of future events all throughout his life?
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If she'd told everyone Aaron was Claire's, it would've shot the rest of 06's the story. Because according to the lie, Claire died in the crash. Between that and Kate "needing to not lose Aaron," I think that question is pretty done.
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Apr 23, 2009 12:45:26 PM CDT
Why has this show not lived up to the promise of s1?
by evilwizardglick
Also why did you fuck with the direction, characters and plot?
Show sucks now just like Heroes does.
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Had to be said.
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You said there would be no math in this talkback!
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People don't generally like sci fi on tv, for whatever reason. It almost always gets low ratings. So in the first season the show pretended to be more of a generic drama with a little supernatural stuff thrown in. Once the sci fi aspect kicked in as it went on, a lot of the people who watched it to see things like Locke building a crib for Claire got turned off. Personally I find this series much better this season than it has ever been. I truly wish it had been like this all along.
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except for the answer about the literary influences.
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you and dioxholster can go jack off each other while you watch stargate and supernatural together. we'll enjoy quality entertainment.
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That was a webisode, and they've said the webisodes are part of the story.
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whether or not they filmed certain scenes years in advance. I could see the very last episode having Locke talking to a 10 year old Walt.
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Was he seen bleeding? Because, y'know, sometimes people put things like metal food cans in their grocery shopping bags. Desmond definitely got shot in the shopping bag and knocked over... did the bullet hit him?Also, when Benjamin got thrown in the water, wasn't the amount of blood that gushed out of his mouth just way over the top? Did Desmond break his nose or karate chop him in the larynx or something?
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about the clip show was that the whole business of getting the O-6 back to the island - that's what I thought this entire year was going to be about. It's surprising to me how fast paced the show has become and how far past all that Oceanic Six business we've gotten in the last month.
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Someone mentioned that some old questions were now irrelevant since we were so far past that point. Actually, with modern Tv technology, there is no getting past plot points, no then and no, no time at all. When someone watches the complete Lost on DVD in a few years, a skipped over plot point about Eko or Libby won't be something that happened years earlier, it will be a reference to an episode they saw yesterday.Put it this way, comic books are periodical publications, on sale one month, gone the next (though usually available as back issues at your local comics shop). So a loose plot thread from two years ago can safely be ignored. However, if the material is collected in anthology form in a trade paperback edition or "graphic novel", then the work all has to stand up and hang together. It's all in "the now".Lost is one of those shows that people will want to own and watch repeatedly, at least a few times. And that's whether or not a serial stands up to repeat viewings in the syndicated market (traditionally, they don't). So every unanswered plot point, every missed opportunity, isn't just something that went past a year ago, it will be a weak link affecting the over all quality of the entire series. See what I'm sayin?
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i don;t know what the post above mine means, but you misspelled dickholder.
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Soooo...you're just an asshole?
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Quality. hahahaha.
Please. The show has been reinventing itself since season one. It has drifted so far from the promise and potential of the beginning it is now a sad parody of itself.
I'm sick of the continual revisioning of major groups like the others and Widmore. I'm tired of people thrown on just to die because no one knows what the fuck direction to take. I'm saddened at the lack of overall plotting.
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Unless the smog monster is a nanoparticle weak godlike Ai the show is goddamned fantasy.
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Any one know where it's streaming?
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You're a mean-spirited, nasty son of a whore, and i hope you go blind.
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Eh, it was essentially the O6 storyline off-island told in chronological order. Not a whole lot there, but I'm sure some torrent sites have it. mininova.org...yep, they've got it.
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It's the majorish one. The major one is coming up. There's 2 deaths.
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Time travel's being dealt with in a sci-fi, non-fantasy fashion. Well, the USE of time travel and theories behind it, anyway; the cause and that frozen donkey wheel we've yet to see. But I hear ya, I know they've said this could all be explained through science, but smokie and alpert and all sorts of things have left me wondering how.
I'm sorry you're not liking the current season; I personally don't feel they've abandoned any aspects of the show, they're either just expanding our view from S1 (when we were just as clueless about everything as the 815ers were) to reveal more and more of the over-arching story. It's to the point that this season we've gotten a veritable history lesson about the island. And I disagree with the idea they're 'revisioning' the various factions; we're just getting more and more of the curtain being pulled back for us, showing the true nature of the Others, DI, etc. It's like 'Dead is Dead' a couple weeks ago...we got a different look at Ben Linus. Now, one could argue they were 'rewriting' his character and changing him in some way by showing him as a redeemable person as opposed to the pernicious little shit we've all come to know him as; but I find it just as easy to argue the point that this is just another layer of his character we hadn't been privy to before, as most things we've seen on this show (and hell, in life in general) are never so black and white. Again, just my personal opinion, but I feel every season has been building up further and further from the wonderful bedrock of story and character created in S1, making the world of the show bigger and bigger. I've thought each season has topped the last one. -
Lostboy... it'll be another 2 weeks until your mother gives you back your cell phone--- thus allowing you to get back to pranking crises center phone lines. It'll be another 6 months before you can steal more bags of Halloween candy from 4th-graders. We'll also be in the next millennium before you're able to develop the skills to write something that generates the level of interest that "Lost" has. I'd wonder why a "fun-loving" poster such as you isn't off writing a computer virus program or shooting paintballs at the homeless, but maybe it's because you're not yet old enough to take a Java class or drive a car. Youth would better explain your behavior than simply immaturity.
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And thank you, Spymunk; I'll have to check that out.
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Dez wasn't seen bleeding... but the item that blew up in the grocery bag was a carton of milk. You are catching on to the recurring theme of milk (and juice), yes?
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... I can agree to the extent that the exploration of deeply ingrained fears (quite prevalent in the first 2 seasons) would resonate more broadly than the science elements currently playing out in "Lost." Still, the sci-fi orientation of the current season is one that simply has its own unique approach. I just have the sense that the creators have been very intentional in making this season different than its predecessors, and think the comparison is a little unfair. Just my vibe.
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is actually an extra on the Season Four DVD. Durh.
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That was way out of line.
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Apr 23, 2009 5:22:04 PM CDT
The clip show did remind me of one question that it DID answer
by stormwatcher
What were the Others building a runway for? In Season 3. It was for the plane to land. But how did Ben know to build a runway? But I thought that was pretty cool.
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... there's clearly something wrong with you so, seriously, what's your problem?
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It was the DVD feature with the season 5 stuff woven in. I actually really enjoyed it.
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I assume that the Libby flashback was going to be dealt with in Season 4 as they said, and when that season was truncated that was one of the things that fell by the wayside. I think those of us who want more Libby backstory just miss Libby as a character. I think it would be cool if they have a flashback scene coming up where Libby appears to Hugo and convinces him he had to go back to the Island. Noone else seemed able to convince him.
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i don't get why people are jumping down your throat. all that you are throwing out there is speculation as to who dies. unless you can back up speculation with a source that can be validated, i think everyone needs to chill the fuck out.
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I like that idea...Ghost Libby's already made a brief appearance last season in 'Meet Kevin Johnson', and Ghost Ana Lucia mentioned her again this season, to Hugo.
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I don't know if Jabba was referring to me above earlier, but I never said that Eloise HADN'T travelled physically in time. I just think she has a similar ability to Desmond and can control it. Until we have a flashback of Eloise turning some off-Island Donkey Wheel to go back in time to tell Desmond he can't change his future, that will be my theory. And how would she return to her original timeline? Would she send herself back to the moment right after she left? In terms of physical time travel, I also find it interesting that Ben only travelled forward 10 months but Locke skipped ahead 3 years. Why the disparity there? If you can only wind up in a desert in Tunisia and can't control how far ahead in time you travel, that isn't much of an ability to take advantage of, is it? Maybe Hurley should turn the wheel and send himself to the sets in Tunisia so he can sabotage or rewrite the Star Wars prequels? :) And I personally enjoyed the Recap episode. It wasn't the same as the Season 4 DVD extra as someone said above. It combined scenes from that season with scenes from the current season. It was a good mix of info to lead us into the finale.
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the whining by GLICK and V'shael is typical of an ignorant viewer that expects characters to remain the same as they were first presented but dont expect there to be evolution in the characters along the way or simply as many of u intelligent viewers have already pointed out is simply differnt layers of characters being revealed...god forbid characters change like real people do...and if this season proves anything Vshael...its that the writers have had this all planned from season one..only an idiot would say they "dont have a clue"...and RILEY...seriously ?? too convoluted ?? too much for your simple mind to take in ?? no wonder u like CHUCK, its made for simple minded idiots like u...too bad its getting cancelled...u will prob cry.... this is the BEST season of lost, cant wait for the season finale and season 6
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And also not true.
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I wasn't telling anyone what to talk about, just asking everyone to show some respect to those who didn't want to be spoiled. As for the blog if the real fans who actually come to these talkbacks even after it drops off the top ten want me to stop sharing the stuff on Room 23 (which most of them are contributors) I'll stop, but until then Im not stopping. Sorry. Im sorry for you that you feel that you have to find meaning in your life by trying to tear down people and by ruining show secrets for others. I just feel sorry for you.
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I started watching the special, and I was like, oh, I've seen this already.
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I'm sorry I didn't remember your name...my bad. I hope you realize that I called you a crazy lady for comedic effect...not to harm...
ANYWAY, I believe you have been in contact with some strong radiation source, which killed your short-term memory....
You doubted my linear time travel theory because I said that Eloise HAD to know the future...either by seeing it herself...or hearing from another.
Your argument was that she was like Desmond....and did it consciously.
You followed that by saying that no one has ever PHYSICALLY gone to the future...and then Ben did this week...which may explain why the Others know so damn much.
Once again, sorry for calling you crazy...but you are:)
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Who thinks that people should stop promoting their blogs on this board?
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Apr 23, 2009 9:08:25 PM CDT
I think that Nappark already beat you to that Jabba
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Over at Room 23 Muses archives, scroll down til you get to Napolean Parks Fiction on the sidebar. He wrote stories for most of the back ground characters.
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anyone who wants can join Room 23 as a blogger (if they are nice) we have about 11 bloggers working on Room 23 and even if you don't want to become part of it your welcome to submit Fan Fiction or anything else and we'll post it. Room 23 actually came out of the 10,000 posts "We have to go back" Talkback and has become a fixture ever since and is not likely to go away any time soon.
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I wasn't trying to prove or disprove JABBA's linear time travel theories. I read the Lostpedia entries on Eloise and Desmond AFTER our discussion, and the creators have referred to Eloise as a "temporal policeman" and made reference to her traveling in time, although I don't know if anyone has specified HOW exactly she does this. My initial reaction to Eloise was that she might be similar to Guinan from Star Trek TNG. the Trek fans will remember in "Yesterday's Enterprise" when she's the only one who realizes that things are different and Tasha shouldn't be there? And then when they bring Denise Crosby back later as Tasha's daughter, Guinan somehow knows she's telling the truth? Eloise seemed to me like she was aware that Desmond was trying to change things and had some "foreknowledge" of events, but that she was in the jewelry store because she always had been. She never said to Desmond that she'd come back in time to stop him. She seemed to sense that he was "unstuck" and was trying to guide him back to his original path. Like Guinan knowing when things have changed and not knowing how she knows. She just knows. The show has another season to go. Until an episode specifically spells out the method Eloise uses, I will continue to think it's "cooler" that Eloise has some sort of mystical prescient or precognitive abilities than the hard sci fi excuse that she has her own donkey wheel somewhere. If she's physically been to the future and "knows" how everything's going to turn out, why is she so cryptic about it? I don't know if the past can be changed or not, but obviously the future can. If it can't, why would she bother to talk to Desmond at all? Knowing what's "supposed" to happen and knowing what "will" happen are two different things. And her abilities seem to be as faulty as Desmond's. Claire never made it off the Island even though Charlie died. And Eloise is unwilling or unable to spell things out. She seems more like a plot device than a fully fleshed out character. Hopefully the rest of this season will provide more insight?
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And my recollection, Jabba (possibly Faulty) is that I said we haven't seen anyone go FORWARD and then come BACK with knowledge of future events. Ben traveled ten months into the future. And stayed there. Locke travelled three years into the future. And stayed there. Even if the Eloise in the jewelry store was 2007 Eloise travelling back, she was telling Desmond about events that had already occurred in her (and his?) PAST. The story is now taking place in 1977 and 2007. If an Eloise from 2027 or a Richard Alpert from 2037 shows up driving a Delorean, let me know. I'm not saying they haven't DONE it. I'm saying we haven't SEEN it. OK? If anyone we've seen on LOST is from the future or has been there, they've kept it to themselves.
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You cann't expect to come into a talkback thats been run by our group and not expect us to promote our blog.
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...I actually do. I understand that certain types of people find the prolonged tease of the show frustrating and probably would have enjoyed the show a lot more (or hated it a lot less), but I personally will miss the actual experience of Lost being on. It is sort of like an event, to speculate about what's going on, what Richard being ageless means, etc., plus the cliffhangers at the end of each episode (Jack saying "we have to go baaaaack!", Sayid shooting Ben) don't have the same impact when you watch them all in one sitting. Then again, maybe it's just because I've already seen them before by that point. In any case, I do believe that one of the qualities of this show is the way information is slowly revealed. Now maybe that means I'm more into the "puzzle" aspect of the show than the quality of the writing, or whatever. I actually think the show happens to be well-written as well, but I'm not going to force the issue. Whether or not that makes any of you who have nothing but contempt for the show and its fans "better" than me or proves your taste in scripted entertainment is more refined or whatever, that's up to you to decide. But I figured I would at least try to explain part of the why that type of storytelling appeals to me, since there seems to be an almost fundamental split on whether the show is enjoyable or infuriating.
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That's been "run by your group"? That's a little territorial, isn't it? It's not like the Talkback wouldn't be here if you weren't using it. That said, the links don't really bother me.
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Apr 23, 2009 10:54:59 PM CDT
Ribbons: Im not trying to be being territorial
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Its just most leave once the Talkback falls off the top ten. We Chief Brody, NapPark, Edshrinker, Redfish, Barfy Dog, Gotlick, Maximus Prime and a few others) have always continued the talkback going even after that by bookmarking it. We have been doing that since the 10,000 posts talkback and plan on continuing it until the shows over. And we welcome anyone to continue with us. We just ask that people respect each other and don't like Trolls. That includes not spoiling things for those that don't like spoilers and this is coming from someone who loves spoilers.
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Im not expecting anything, becausethats when the trolls leave.
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I always find it amusing when someone says the Writers don't know what they're doing. Just because WE don't know what they're planning doesn't mean there isn't a plan. If we could figure it all out on our own, it wouldn't be LOST. I don't even WANT all my questions to be answered! I hope they leave room for chance and coincidence and chaos. And mystery.
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I agree with you about the puzzle asspect. Its great just sitting back and enjoying the ride. And then being able to discuss & speculate about it here.
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that it will only get better!
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is that people will be so committed to their OWN theories that if the final answers don't correspond to them, they will feel like they've been wasting their time? Chris Carter said one time that X-FILES fans got so used to being jerked around and having the rug pulled out from under them that when the writers GAVE them definitive answers the audience didn't WANT to accept or believe them. When they said in the first movie, there ARE aliens, and THIS is their plan, people took it with a grain of salt. That's why I don't agree or disagree or take part in arguements. I get emotionally involved in the show and it's mysteries but I don't CARE if I'm wrong in my own speculations. It's their show. They can do what they want with it. I'm just along for the ride.
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I love speculating, but don't care if the answer is something different.
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Totally with you. The week-to-week guessing and puzzling between episodes is part of the fun; entertainment that makes you think and involves you in unravelling the mysteries. And, some people cite this as the reason they DON'T like the show, and more power to ya' if that's the case; but in 'real life' (ie: not on these TBs) I've actually yet to meet any person who's given up on the show or think it's turned to absolute shit, and I've introduced it to some friends and family I never DREAMED would be into the show, let alone stick with it once the real crazy stuff started happening. In fact, re-watching back-to-back episodes with 'Lost Virgins' is as exciting as watching it week to week, for those watching it the first time and for we who've seen it already (I cannot watch an old episode without picking up on something I never noticed before or new elements being forshadowed I'd hadn't picked up on a first viewing). If you don't enjoy it, that's cool too; I don't enjoy stuff like Grey's Anatomy or ER...but I don't watch that stuff or obsess over WHY I don't like it; yet people keep watching Lost seemingly just to come back and say why they don't like it. I don't get that.
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Again, totally with you. Man, if I had a nickel for every hair-brained theory I've had about this show that turned out to be completly not true, I'd have a hell of a lot of nickels. But as it continues, and some things are answered definatively, even MORE questions get asked, letting us speculate further. But at the end of the day, we're watching someone else's story, and it will unfold how they've envisioned it. Some will be happy with the story as a whole, some will be upset; but based on what I've seen so far I've not doubt I'll land in that first category. :)
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Or are the theories getting more far fetched and wackier the closer we get to the end? The idea that Charlie Hume is actually going to grow up and go back in time to be Charles Widmore or Charlie from 815 or that Christian and Jack are somehow the same person are just too out there for me. It's weird enough as it is without wishing it were even weirder. :P
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but I can't say I see the reasoning behind the Jack and Christian thing. Now I don't think Widmore is really Penny's son, not her father, but you could acutualy work, if you could establish how he knew when/where to find her as a child. It would explain his protective/obsessive nature in regards to Penny, but would confuse the issue with the way he treats Desmond.
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I was perterbed. Im usually better at ignoring Trolls.
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Didn't mean that as an insult at all, sorry if it came off that way. :) That's what I was saying; you're usually the modicum of level-headed troll ignoring I aspire to.
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...your recognition is not faulty...per say...but it all goes along with the time travel idea of major events being 'locked' in. Course correction...that sort of thing. Eloise is a time cop...making sure that the locked in things go right.
We have seen MANY times that the Others seem to have prescient knowledge...but it's always vague. Ben, obviously thought Alex wouldn't be killed...yet she was. The woman on the sailboat who confronted Sun with a gun...TOLD her she wasn't capable of shooting...YET.
There have been many times that 'Others' or Ben have made inferences that so-n-so will be fine or is in danger. Or, that they are 'good' and everyone else is bad.
Point is, regardless of source...some know the future. May have come from Eloise...or time travel or mental travel or the smoke monster or those who have been "reborn" by the monster (which also ties back into Anubis being the statue and the god of rebirth).
Simply put...the rabbit knew the maze by time travel...whatever form that takes. He had 'seen' the future somehow...or he traveled to it.
And I will always consider you the 'crazy lady'....:)
Jabba
P.S. You better get on the technology train...'cause it's leaving the station. The whole island is a terraforming seed ship. Alpert is an android who captained The Black Rock, drank from the fountain of youth-producing nanobots and merged with it's technology. Smokey is nanotech. And "The Incident" is going to prove to be the island running a shut-down protocol...as the alien experiment failed.
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I was going to say to Cym that I forgot to mention that when they used the bunnies for their experiment...they ended up with two bunnies.
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the way "Friends" used to. I personally can't wait for "The One Where The Smoke Monster Is Explained In Serious Detail"....and "The One That Tells You WHO Built The 4 Toed Statue...And When And Exactly How They Did It"...and..."The One Where Bernard & Rose Get Caught Bumpin Uglies In The Caves".
Talk about your "Fork In The Outlet"!
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Whoever asked those questions are total arseholes. They knew those weren't the questions that needed to be answered, but they asked them anyway. Cuse and Lindelof were happy to oblige: "Oh look, questions that fans generally don't give a rat's ass about. Let's just answer those. Suckers!"
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No it didn't come off as an insult, I was just tired last night and over sensative after listening to 2 or 3 trolls yesterday. Lets hope they have moved on.
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Two minor things it was a rat or mouse that ran Faraday's maze (named Eloise) and Darlton has confirmed that the Smoke Monster is not made out of nanobots. But other then that I love your theory.
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I post on these boards from time to time checking them every few days. Usually by time I get to the bottom of the posts, any point or argument that I may have had has already been covered. There is one thing that just caught my mind that I'm not sure has ever been considered. Forgive me if this has already been discussed but one thing that always nagged at me was, "Why didn't Claire and Aaron make it onto the chopper?" This was to be true based on Charlie's death, it was what made his sacrifice so poignant and deep. Now, we know that Desmond actaully did change the future in a very real and physical sense by saving Charlie from drowning and lightning. Naturally, course correction takes place and Des realizes he can alter the future but Charlie is eventually going to be taken by the island. Des gets Charlie off the hook one last time by saving him from the booby-trap when they find Naomi. He then tells Charlie that he must die to get Aaron and Claire, as well as everyone else off the island. Charlie at times was a tragic figure always wanting to be seen as capable and heroic but always falling short and going about it in the wrong way. He accepted hs fate and prepared himself for the ultimate measure of heroism that he was about to perform. Sorry, rambled a bit (I do that); here's the point: Why didn't Claire make it off the Island? Now the writers have drilled "whatever happened, happened." into our brains so much that we don;t even consider that they may be fucking with us. I posed a question a few days ago stating that if Richard does indeed have full knowledge in regards to the Island he did indeed try to change the past with young Locke. Did Keamy killing Alex set off a chain of events that really and truly changed the predestined outcome of all the characters? I can't remember the actual timeline but doesn't Claire dissapearing happen right about the same time that Alex takes one to the noggin? Again, if this question has already been thrown out there, sorry for wasting your time. Keamy's action had an enormous impact on Ben. I know that he watched his daughter get shot, but could there have been more to it than that? If so, considering that Alex, according to some set of rules, wasn;t supposed to be killed, Claire was supposed to get on the chopper. I beleieve it was the same episode. Thoughts?
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4we...or PA (whatever the fuck that stands for),... while i like his input, the constant blog spam is annoying as shit and the higher-than-thou attitude is tiring. Truth be told, there's no reason for his silly little blog to exist, there are countless LOST fansites that are more informed and better executed, after the first time i went to room23 i didn't go back.
Sounds like a smart decision to me.
don't want to kill any birds do we?
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I call out stupid motherfuckers like lostboytexass who 1) post blatant spoilers without a)spoiler tags or b)any actual point as to why they'd post said spoilers except to spoil the show for viewers 2)"tries to dictate what can and cant be discussed in Lost talkbacks" (you realize you said that statement in the same breath that you were telling 4we not to post something in the Lost talkbacks, right? It's called 'being hypocritical') and 3) says very stupid shit like "anyone who comes to a Lost talkback and doesnt expect spoilers is a moron. were talking about Lost you moron." No, WE'RE talking about Lost. You are lobbing out complaints and insults; the only talk about the actual show you've said this whole TB? Are blatant spoilers, with no tags. And not to make any arguments or prove any points (of which you have none), but to simply piss people off. You sir, are a troll (in fact, by definition). And an asshole. Aaaaand I'm guessing probably about...ooh, 12?
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he made them up? ever think of that?
*shakes his fuckin' head*
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IS AN ALIEN!!!!!!11111
He Burts Out her stomach in the series finale!!!!!
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Apr 24, 2009 8:52:14 AM CDT
Guys - It's Going to Be a Lot Simpler (And Lamer) ...
by thusspakespymunk
You do realize this is a TV show, right? The answer is going to be a LOT simpler and a LOT more lame than any of these complex theories. Like, for instance, whateve happened has happened ... unless there is love involved. When you love someone, you can change history. Charlie / Via Domus / etc. See? Simple.
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denny. crane.
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Someone else said that earlier, too, and I completely ignored it in the frenzied rage I've been in. But y'know, fair enough; I'm actually happy to think of them as made up. Mea culpa, I apologize for the outburst.
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I jumped all over you, my bad. And you're a better man than I, sir, to take on that challenge; but lord knows the old girl needs it. :)
dancetothebeatofthelivingdead, I've long thought that Claire not getting on the chopper was a result of 'special Desmond' messing around with the causality of Charlie's death. In fact, Claire was travelling with Sawyer when she 'up and disappeared', shortly before Sawyer actually got to the chopper. What if Desmond saving Charlie so many times caused the Island, or Destiny, or what-have-you, to pull Claire off her intended path? Because otherwise, following Sawyer, she would have ended up on that chopper.
Of course, the explinations are probably going to be a lot simpler than that, like Spymunk suggests. Hell, if it takes us multiple postings and paragraphs and paragraphs of text to explain some of these crazier theories, how the hell are Darlton gonna' explain it all in 20+ more hours of show? -
I guess clipshows are to Losties what full moons are to Lunatics. "Clipshow?! GRAAAHH!! ANGER!!!"
We gots to spread the love. Peace in the middle east? -
Don't sell the writers short, brutha! Consider this, they have in 100 episodes created a show that is so complex that it actually provokes thought amongst its fains *shudder* How many television shows can you count that have kept people guessing this long and most of the time we're all still wrong! Add to that, they have remained true to the arcs of each and every character. Consider the detail involved in Star Trek debates or in Star Wars discussions with the most hard core of each respective fan base. Neither of these worlds that Rodenerry or Lucas created spark the imagination enough that the majority of debates shift away from minor technical details to theological and philosophical topics. Now also consider that with the complexity of Lost, with all the characters being juggled along with all the different timelines, all characters crossing each others paths in different worlds/realms/settings, for the most part, the wirters never fuck it up. Sure, we get a few continuity errors along the way like Charlotte's DOB but come on! The answers on Lost have never been simple and up until recently haven't been soonfed to us either. The spoonfeeding frenzy we are receiving now is mostly due to our own public outcries to the writers. They're trying to make all of us happy by showing us unnecessary shit like Daniel losing Alex. These are things that we demanded to see. Back to your original reply to my post, could the Island have tricked Desmond into seeing Claire depart on the chopper so that he wouldn't get in the way of Charlie's death?
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Aww. I hope you meant 'fans' instead of 'fains'. I know I've gone a little bat-shit this TB, but I hate to think I make anybody *shudder* (jk!)
I would never sell the writers short, and there's plenty of discussion to do amongst us fans, and probably will still be some after the show's wrapped. But I do think we're gonna' need some truncated explinations, maybe even shtuff that seems simple at the base level of an 'answer' but can be interpretted many different ways, otherwise we might have episodes like Cheif described earlier, "The One where We Find Out What Smokie Is", etc. But I'm with ya', I hope they knock it out of the park and I'm left with a slack jaw and even more concepts to think about.
That Charlotte DOB thing bugged me with the way it was handled...and Darlton had two VERY easy explinations for it! Either 1) The info Ben told Locke et all was not true, as Ben is a big fat liar, or 2) Charlotte's birth info was changed when she left the island, and since her mother always denied she'd been on the island, that seemed a perfectly reasonable explination.
Destiny forging visions to make it's Variable get in line...I like that, too. It gives the timestream itself a motivation and character. -
I do love a good blowjob...
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I have to admit the possibility of that issue not being resolved sends a shiver down my spine more than anything else on this show. Even if it's a one liner saying why it didn't happen they still have to address it.
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DarkUFO has confirmed it.
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I agree with you about the writers. Lost is awsome with the way that it draws you in and allows for a lot of discussion.
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My guess is that Desmonds prediction will still come true. He never stated when Claire would get on the helicopter, just that she would. So my guess is that Claire & Aaron will probably get onto a helicopter at the end of the series and be able to leave the island and it will be because Charlie turned off the Looking Glass which set off a long chain of events that will pay off later.
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gee, thanks for the spoiler. hypocrite. why don't you just tell everyone Faradays father is...
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It was lostboytexass who has been speading that then lied that he made it up because people were jumping on him.
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Dude what the FUCK? How about not ruining the thing you love so much for yourself and everyone else? If people want spoilers they know where to look. You don't have to confirm his shit. You and I are amigos but shit. Why?
God DAMMIT I'm furious! Shits fucking ruined now. Jesus can't some of you just fucking WAIT a few weeks to find shit out? Childish nonsense. -
So unless this shit is rebooted at season's end that can't happen.
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At least 4we8 puts up spoiler warnings on his blog. You just blurted shit out during a fucking hissy fit. EAT SHIT you punkass bitch.
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Good one. Never heard that one before. Yeah, you're a real adult asshole. It shows.
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Instead of a link to another site? Maybe Harry should just change the name to Ain't It Sort Of Not Cool Link Exchange.
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LOST is ultimately about human beings. Screwed up, emotional, chaotic human beings. Happy, hungry, horny human beings. Whether they're part of some alien seeding ship or Dharma experiment or pawns in a chess game between Ben and Charles or trapped in some time loop where they end up giving birth to their own parents or finding their own corpses ISN'T why I watch the show. That's the problem with wanting one explanation for everything. If you don't leave room for chaos and coincidence, you aren't leaving room for the characters to be real human beings. And of course they aren't. They're characters in a fictional construct. But we accept them as real human beings because of the things that CAN'T be controlled or manipulated or predetermined by outside forces. They aren't just rats in a maze. That's the only thing I would try to stress with everybody. The fact that these people wound up on this island and some of them lived and some of them died and some of them got off and some of them didn't and some of them came back and some of them didn't and some of them are in 1977 and some of them are in 2007 and some of them have stayed dead and some of them are coming back as corporeal or non-corporeal beings is interesting and moving and entertaining and funny and perplexing IN AND OF ITSELF. Why can't Jack and Locke BOTH be right? Maybe some of them are destined to be there and some of them just happen to be there. Even if some outside force could arrange their circumstances, could it predict what they would do? How they would react? Who would become friends and lovers and who would become enemies or antagonists? Who would live and who would die? Of course not. And the human beings who try to play God are really LOUSY at it. Ben and Charles have all these resources at their disposal and they can't even protect their own daughters? The Island is a storytelling device. It's given us drama and action and comedy and suspense and adventure and mystery and foreign films (with subtitles!). If it chooses to give us a sci-fi or fantasy explanation for all these chaotic coincidences, so be it. I'm not watching LOST waiting for all my questions to be answered. I'm enjoying the fact that there's no way that ALL of them could be. Nothing that involves human beings can be put in a box that easily. A DVD Box Set, maybe.
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Which I'm sure you just can't wait to do to show everybody what a big man you are.
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I'll let you go back to your rape fantasies then. Enjoy your life.
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is that no AHA moment could explain everything. We'll get some explanation for the Island. But that won't tell us why Kate can't decide between Jack and Sawyer or why Libby seems more significant than the writers seem to think she is, or why Eko became less important because the actor simply decided to quit the show. Some things are simply random and can't be explained. In REAL LIFE anyway...
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The one reason I can see the writers having goofed on this one is that Desmond's dreams are probably one of the few aspects of the storyline that aren't fact-checked by Gregg Nations (their resident continuity expert), so if they forgot about it, it's likely everybody forgot about it (except the fans, of course; long live the Internet). Another possibility? They may not have had a choice due to Emilie de Ravin's schedule; sort of like Eko and Libby dying, they were forced to 'execute' the story in a manner less graceful than they would have liked due to mitigating circumstances. Another possibility? They *were* aware of what Desmond had told Charlie, but hadn't put that much thought into it ahead of time (they simply needed an emotional reason for Charlie to sacrifice his life) and decided that following through on that vision would have hurt other storylines on the show, so they decided to 'course-correct' by keeping Claire on the island. And the final possibility (that I can think of): Claire and/or Aaron will get on a chopper off the island eventually; we just haven't seen it yet. Although I personally believe that Claire is no longer among the living, which complicates things. Anyway, I'm not trying to answer the question, but take your pick from those options.
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God, grow up.
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I'm more and more convinced that we are on similar...if not same...pages.
And...this scares me immensely...as you are crazy and all...
Now, if I can get you to believe in my LINEAR time travel idea...my grand plan will have come to fruition...
Moohoo-ah-ha-ha... -
He was warned of things that could happen, but there's no proof that he actually changed anything. It would be different if we saw Charlie get killed (for real, not a dream sequence like the arrow) and then Desmond went back and changed it. But that's not what we saw.
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or what? Can something explains me about Ben traveling to the future.
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Don't have time at the moment...but according to this week's clip show...Ben AND Locke, traveled 10 months and 3 years, respectively, into the future.
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I'll go and see this recap.
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The actor portraying Eko wanted to leave the show, his character wasn't off because of his skin's color.
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sorry
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You are the voice of reason crying out alone in the wilderness. The same people that complain about these useless fucks are the same peopkle who continue to bow down to their wishes and keep them coming back day after day. Just ignore these dumb shits and they will stop coming. I'll give you one prime example of why these dumb shits must be ignored. One of these dumb shits purposely posted a spoiler just to rile everyone up because his mommy didn't give him enough attention when he was a baby. People read the spoiler, got riled uo, and the troll was proper fed. A point was brought up that the neglected son of a crack whore possibly just made said spoiler up. And then Pa for some goddamn reason only he could possibly know felt the need to confirm the spoiler without even posting a spoiler tag. So now, even though the spoiler site this came from has been known to be wrong, this whols shocking conclusion that this season has been heading towards is ruined because Pa fed the fucking trolls!!!!
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i felt the same way he did. that certain someone tried to pass it off as them "just making it up". 4we, you and myself both know he read that spoiler site. just DONT FEED THE TROLLS. drink a cold beer and let it roll of ur back. or lift some weights-- that helps me lol.
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Qu'est ce qu'il y a, t'es gros tu ressemble à une merde rassie, et t'as l'odeur qui va avec? Tu devrais retourner jouer avec te excréments,ou mieux aller faire un tour aux putes ça te détendrais, mais jee pense que même contre un gros paquet personne ne voudra de toi, pustule vérolée. Ah ça fait du bien quand même...
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the fact is, he tried. He really wanted to save Charley and went out of his way again and again to stop him from dying. But the way time travel works and from what Desmond's understanding of it ultimately came down to was, you can't change anything no matter how much you want it. "Causality" caught up with Charley and he died anyway. Sayid probably wasn't meant to shoot Ben back in the 70's, he shot Ben ultimately to end his life and stop him from becoming who he was going to be. But again, everything turned out the way it was supposed to anyway, all Sayid did was involve Ben with the Others in a different way. We never saw the 70's Dharma bums lived before before but my guess is even if Sayid hadn't shot him and Kate hadn't saved Ben's life, the kid would have STILL run away or entered the temple to become "Other Ben". My thoughts are the 815'ers are going to try and change events, they're going to take a vote and refuse to let things turn out the way they have but it'll go explosively wrong and they'll cause the very incident they set out to stop.
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Québec ou Canada?
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Dictionnaire billingue mal utilisé?
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It seems titus welliver will appear on the sow.
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tu parles français canadien mec. Y'a un Montpellier dans le sud de la France aussi. Fun de voir du céfran dans les talbacks!
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Boone, Shannon, Charlie, Locke (at one time), Claire (probably), Christian (who the fuck knows), Libby, Charlotte, Arzt, Frogurt,
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Boone, Shannon, Charlie, Locke (at one time), Claire (probably), Christian (who the fuck knows), Libby, Charlotte, Arzt, Frogurt,
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lost TBs, is the TV shows mix a huge amount of topics such as science, Egyptian even Nordic mythology, ...
Which are often discussed here. That's why I love to come in this place, because in a way I learn things. -
Hobocode?
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From where exactly? "céfran" is slang for french. Fran-9ais.... çais-fran....céfran.
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they film the entire thing in Hawaii. I always assumed that they had to shoot the flashback scenes in L.A. or somewhere else. I didn't find out until last year that they filmed it all there...
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Boone, Shannon, Charlie, Locke (at one time), Claire (probably), Christian (who the fuck knows), Libby, Charlotte, Arzt, Frogurt, Pilot, Bounty Hunter, Kelvin, Alex, Goodwin, Friendly, Coleen, Picket, Karl, Ryan, Gault, Doc Ray, Keamy, Minkowski, Rousseau, Cooper, Helen, Tom Brennan, Wayne, Ethan, Theresa, Edmund, every white member of Dharma. ALL DEAD. ALL WHITE. Shocking.
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for me is that the show is "shape defining", id est, it sets high standards basics for TV shows to come. Maybe like the shield was in his time.
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but one of the rules of lostboy's list is that killing an Australian, a French or an English character is considered as racist. The rule shots your list.
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...I only have one grammar hang-up...and it's you. It's YOU'RE not "YOUR".
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Apr 24, 2009 4:55:45 PM CDT
lostboytexass, you're kidding, right? Can't believe I'm
by coughlins laws
agreeing with hobocode, but he's right. First of all, not everyone on your list is dead. Second of all, you named 3 white people, but from other countries. Third of all, Rose was never even a main character, I'm sure we'll see her again. Fourth of all, Mr. Ecko WANTED to be written off the show. Fifth of all, explain to me how they were supposed to keep Walt on the show and not have him age past 9 years old when in real life he's grown two feet. And last but not least, look at Hobocode's list.
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FEEDING IN PROGRESS
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Apr 24, 2009 5:18:30 PM CDT
Sorry, I don't know who this guy is. It's hard to sense
by coughlins laws
sarcasm over the internet. Couldn't tell if he was being serious or not. I sure hope he doesn't really believe the shit he's typing...
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Hurley - Hispanic and alive; Jin - Korean and alive; Sun - Korean and alive; Miles - Chinese (based on actor's descent) and alive; Sayid - Iraqi and alive Desmond - Scottish and alive; Penny - British and alive; Widmore - British and alive; Hawking - British and alive. If you're going to throw nationality into it, it looks like there are not only more minorities cast in major roles but also a lower fatality rate among them.
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Apr 24, 2009 5:59:02 PM CDT
Feed the trolls...its the only pleasure they get in life
by longjohnny99
Who cares if someone wants to mention a blog in their post, even ad nauseum? The dude has been here, in force, all the times I've trolled or participated here. Does that make him special? Not really, but with all the Stargate/filler/douchebag talk that stuffs this talkback...who gives a fucking shit? Nobody is forcing you to read it, just skip his posts, like I do to quite a few individuals, and we can all sleep better at night.
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Apr 24, 2009 7:23:00 PM CDT
lostboytexass, you bring new meaning to the term DOUCHEBAG
by coughlins laws
Thank you for restoring faith in humanity...
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If anyone wants to find me...I'll be someplace "cold".
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Now where have I heard.....
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Ahhhhhh. I get it now. Makes perfect sense actually. -
1. Put fucking *SPOILER* in caps just like I have here so no one casually glances over your post and has a part of the show ruined for them! Common sense and respect people!
2. I can't believe anyone here is actually comparing this show to Heroes. It's like comparing getting getting kicked in the dick to getting your dick sucked. -
Maybe this has already been brought up, I'm not looking thru every one of these TB's. But it kills me that I see that was included. Haven't they talked ad nauseum about what other books and whatnot have been their creative touchtones? Who, that would be bothering to read this article, is so big a fan that seriously DIDN'T yet know that "The Stand" was one of their major influences on the series?
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Apr 25, 2009 3:35:25 AM CDT
Desmond actor sued for sexual harrassment!
by the_man_behind_the_curtain
"Desmond may be Daniel Faraday's constant for time travel, but a Lost crew member claims he was just a constant pain in the butt.
A former ABC Entertainment employee filed a harassment and sexual battery claim against Henry Ian Cusick Friday, claiming the Scottish actor groped her and made inappropriate sounds and gestures around her in October 2007 on the Lost set.
Plaintiff Chelsea Stone alleges that, on or about Oct. 16, Cusick "placed his hand on her buttocks" and then caressed her back "while making moaning sounds." He then put his face in her cleavage and wagged his head back and forth, according to the lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court. He then touched her breasts with his hands and kissed her on the mouth, Stone says.
Stone says that ABC and production company Grass Skirt Entertainment, which are also named as defendants, did nothing to keep her away from Cusick after she complained and, over the next several days, the actor and fellow employees became "very hostile" toward her.
On Oct. 28, 2007, Stone was informed that she had been fired, the lawsuit states.
Per the suit, "plaintiff suffered humiliation and severe mental and emotional distress, and suffered injury when by means of her stress Plaintiff miscarried," causing Stone to incur various medical expenses and suffer 'physical injuries, physical sickness, substantial losses in earnings" and other indignities.
A rep for Cusick would not comment on the lawsuit.
Stone is asking for unspecified damages to cover hostile work environment harassment, failure to remedy and prevent harassment, retaliation, wrongful termination in violation of public policy, intentional infliction of emotional distress and sexual battery."
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Because it kind of gave the clue that maybe Dave was telling the truth. I have always wondered if Jack and Kate and the rest are the people on the deck that Hurley thought he collapsed.
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honestly, i can't blame him.
Hope that's not as bad as drunk driving..., although I'm pretty sure any of the main cast could pull an OJ in the Off season and still HAVE to be there for season 6, they could probably get a court order or some shit. lol. -
so obviously, we don't exactly now what happens. However it seems Mr Cusick wanted to have a little fun, and his so-called victim saw the opportunity to get a shitload of money from that incident. Human beings...
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it bale news Bobby Jindal is coughlins laws real identity. That is fun!!
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Apr 25, 2009 9:53:13 AM CDT
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!! abetyler made a funny!!! With that wit
by coughlins laws
you must write for sitcoms or something...
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*master splinter fades into the shadows*
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Until all the spoiler talk (true or not) dies down. Its getting too close to the finale and I don't want some immature asshole spoiling it for me.
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you're so predictable!
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You guys just run off that ship, like rats, after just one incident. Okay that was a major one. But let it go.We all have fun here together.
You'll miss it, it will eat you from inside. Then you'll come to the point that you have to go back! -
Abe Vigoda still kicking.
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...the "Is lost racist" question being discussed here years ago. Clearly the fact it that Lost and Grey's Anatomy are the most internationally integrated shows on TV outside of maybe Sesame Street or the Bridge Crew of any Star Trek series. Yes, "the black guy dies first" is a slasher movie cliche, and yes, Lost has a huge multi-racial and multi-cultural cast and a huge series-to-date death toll. So, sure, Lost may have killed off more minority characters than any ten other network shows actually has minority characters. Would it be less racist if Lost had an all white cast like Star Wars did and then only killed off white folk?Oh, and nein sprechen zie francais, but that would be great if all the trolls spoke their own troll language - that would make their comments even easier to ignore.
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Confirming that one dubious source confirms one speculative rumor that one character on a show with an ensemble cast of well over a hundred characters dies in the end - that's supposed to spoil the whole series? GMAFB. Seven years, 100 + hours of great entertainment, spoiled because one character will die? Oh boo fucking hoo, Bimpy or Spadlow or whoever it was dies in the end. Big deal, LOST is not about Bimpy or Spadlow. It's not about Locke or Ben or Dez or whoever everyone's favorite character is from year to year. And forget the shippers, LOST is not about Jack or Kate or Sawyer.It's about Cindy the stewardess.But mostly it's definitely not about Bimpy.
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I swiped that from iGlobal Radio's DJ Riff Raff.
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One death does not spoil the show, for those who are less obsessional about it. personally I don't care, but I understand those who claim they've been spoilt.
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Telling Us WHO Dies is a Spoiler.
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But I would never spoil.
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She is also suing ABC for firing her after reporting it? Do you think a major corporation like ABC in this day and age would do something like that? That sounds suspicious to me.
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