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The Trade Papers Are Raving About J.J. Abrams’ STAR TREK!!
I am – Hercules!!
I was up way too late last night watching “Shore Leave,” with Jim Kirk beating the tar out of Finnegan - and Spock mocking the puny humans’ need for recreation. What a great show!!!
Today the trades have their reviews up for J.J. Abrams’ new movie and, as maybe the only AICN staffer who hasn’t yet seen the movie, I’M ALL WORKED UP, BABY!!
Variety says:
… Abrams' smart and breathless space adventure feels like a summer blockbuster that just couldn't stay in the box another month. Paramount won't need any economic stimulus package with all the money it'll rake in with this one globally, and a follow-up won't arrive soon enough. …
The Hollywood Reporter says:
… Paced at warp speed with spectacular action sequences rendered brilliantly and with a cast so expert that all the familiar characters are instantly identifiable, the film gives Paramount Pictures a new lease of life on its franchise. … The boxoffice should beam up enormous returns. …
I can’t wait till May 8 to see this!!
It's been a long three years. Find my first, April 21, 2006, post on this matter here.
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...everything looks great.
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You know, watching stuff.
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Awesome. They usually slam stuff like this.
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Sorry, 2 reviews from rags that live or die on a studio's whims does not bolster any confidence on my part. Willing to bet we will be seeing plenty of lukewarm and negative reviews before this thing hits.
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Great news.Why didn't TPTB just mention that in the beginning?
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SOUNDS HAWT!! Just got my Imax tickets. Bring it on baby!!!
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Place your bets, people.
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Don't believe any review you read of this movie until I, Media Messiah, see it. I will either give my blessing of the film, or shoot it down...but which ever occurs, at least I will be honest, and not a bought and watered plant.
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Yes, I am looking forward to seeing this, in Imax no less, but when reviews refer to "all the money it'll rake in ", and "The boxoffice should beam up enormous returns.", I have to remember its Variety and Hollywood Reporter, where box office matters and quality is number two.
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Considering all the positive things I'm hearing about this, anything less will be a disappointment.
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Yep, looks like we got us a keeper folks.
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typical aicn hyperbole. the trades are "raving", huh? i'm going to wait until more than 15 reviews come in. i think this will wind up in the mid-60's on metacritic.
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I can't wait to find out if all these positive reviews are correct. I hope they are.
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I would stuff myself with bean burritos just so I could spend the day smelling my own farts. This guy now officially has a license by Paramount to make whatever movie he wants to, period.
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Awards for:
Lost
Frings
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to those people like Frakes and Berman who made those shitty TNG movies.
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Really, only his opinion matters, since he is the Arbitrator of all that is worthy in the AICN-verse. While the bounds of his unmitigated self-delusional narcissism may frighten you away, be strong and worship your Messiah and you will be delivered!
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With 7 reviews. It's not going to go down either. Nosiree. Seriously, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool fanboy so I'm likely to love it anyway, but it's nice to see people are at least liking it. Even if the people who've seen it would be predisposed to review it favorably anyway.
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a Trek movie ffsWho the hell would get excited to see one other than actual Trek nerds. I have yet to come across a genuine non trekkie creaming themselves to see this.I say bring on Terminator:S already.
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"I was up way too late last night watching “Shore Leave,” with Jim Kirk beating the tar out of Finnegan and Spock mocking the puny humans’ need for recreation."Dunno who Finnegan is, but why would Kirk beat the tar out of Spock and he? Kirk is also human last I knew, so wouldn't he be familiar with their need for recreation?Harry, is English your first language?
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in the movie. They know I'm a Trek nerd, so they're asking me questions like "Is Spock in this? Is Kirk?"
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Herc wrote this not Harry, he's already jizzed all over this movie and Herc's the last to see it
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Otherwise, I'd buy a ticket and go see it.
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Polite conversation what they realy thinking is seeing you naked or something.......
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Apr 22, 2009 5:37:34 PM CDT
Reviewing the special effects - this years Superman Returns
by professor_monster
Yeah - we need more reviews on how great the Special effects are - "We can do things they could never do before - the uniforms are patterned and the dynamic spins and turns will surprise you" - oh wait - that is a quote for Superman Returns - that harry also gushed over
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A co-worker of mine pretty much summed up exactly how the AICN crowd will treat this property: "I got my tickets for opening night! Man, this movie's gonna blow! They'll ruin everything!" It's as if he feels obligated to buy a ticket so he can justify his preconceptions. Terrible.
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it would be all too shocking.
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that fanboys will have. They bitched about 'shaky cam' in the Bourne movies. Lens flares WILL be the new shaky cam.
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But I'm going to see this. It looks really good.
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Apr 22, 2009 5:46:38 PM CDT
spider-man 3 started off with good reviews
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
and that movie was balls
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And see this movie a couple of weeks after release. But no, I'll be there opening night, with most of you bastages.
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And I'm going to see this, but I'm not going to like it. I watched all four seasons on Enterprise, and I didn't like that either.
And J.J. can burn in Sto'Vo'Kor. In fact, I'm going to go dressed as a Klingon, complete with baht'leth, and decapitate anyone who laughs at Simon Pegg's crap Scotty impersonation. -
Star Trek, Drag Me to Hell, and Up in May, NOTHING in June (Transformers doesn't count), then Bruno and Harry Potter in July, and only Incredible Basterds in August. That said, it looks so far like this might actually be a good summer, not quite as disappointing as the last 2-3 were. Bring on Star Trek!
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Apr 22, 2009 5:59:33 PM CDT
Infinetly more interesting than JJ's rectal decimation...
by fa_tass_dinomolester
New Planet Discovered, which may contain oceans:
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cool things out this summer. And Joe, but that's not till later.
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"...it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
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I read an article today in an advertising trade mag that Wolverine was going to punk Star Trek at the Box Office because FOX's pre release campaign was charting 'better.' I had to smile.. the writer clearly doesn't spend any time on fan sites or really have a trues sense of the buzz factor... But because Hugh Jackman charts higher with women, Wolverine will come out on top... I think it's going to be the other way around..
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I don't give a FUCK about Variety and HR...those two rags are shills for the Studios anyway. In Fact..I don't give a flying fuck if Ebert his bad self jumps up and proclaims that not only is this the BEST movie he has ever seen; but that the touch of JJ Abrams contained the cure for cancer and Orci's script was so good it restored hearing to the deaf....I am STILL gonna DL this thing and preview it at home before I drop $25 bucks to see it on the big screen. ORCI and Abrams have given me an unlubed fucking one too many times to be trusted at this point.
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Apr 22, 2009 6:14:37 PM CDT
WONT make nearly as much as Wolverine, Terminator, Up, or Harry
by stifler's mom
That's not a prediction of quality. Just an objective forecast. STAR TREK does not have the mainstream appeal of any of the other franchises. The STAR TREK brand carries a very un-hip, un-cool conotation. Like WATCHMEN it will open big, blow the fanboys away, then barely cross the $100 million mark. Just saying.
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It's gonna bomb big. X 3 was such a disaster. Terminator will do decent, but T 3 really killed that franchise.
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are not just positive, they are resoundingly positive. One calling it one of the best sci-fi films of all time. And the guys name isn't Harry...Of course, reviews that state it's the best _________ off all time are to be seldom trusted.
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might be the movie this year .. but then again .. there was cloverfield ...
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Industry folks think it's because the W:XO campaign was targeted at the mainstream public, and STAR TREK has primarily been aimed at fan boys and girls. Still, I agree: once Star Trek hits, word of mouth is going to spread like wild fire.
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Is just what the Trekkers need! This will be the first Star Trek I've seen in 18 years (when Star Trek VI was released) that Rick Berman had nothing to do with......no technobabble that nobody understands (temporal flux, spatial anomalies, etc.)......no holodecks as a story crutch.....no TV episode projected onto a big screen.....just an honest to goodness, FUN, space adventure.......It's LONG overdue!!!!!
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Apr 22, 2009 6:34:42 PM CDT
last summer was pretty good but 07 was a travesty.
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
epsecially for threequels. spiderman 3, shrek 3, potc 3. even rush hour fans hated rush hour 3. how about crappy fantastic 4 2. evan almighty. halloween. what a awful summer.
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and Twilight...and use works like "Sick" to describe their viewing experience? If so, there is your first clue not to put too much faith in themA good rule of thumb is to never trust a review from a guy/girl who has obviously never touched a person of the opposite sex.
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..seem to have been pretty positive too. From Chris Tookey (who got pretty much shredded and stir-fried in lemon juice for a pig-ignorant Watchmen review that was posted on Rottentomatoes) to geek-culture know-all Jonathan Ross (who was practically bursting to praise it on the last Film:2009 before the break), everyone seems to be singing praises. Roll on May!
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Apr 22, 2009 6:37:27 PM CDT
the greatest sum up of spider-man 3 ever (07 sucked)
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
from geeks of doom.com
"It was bad enough that my left brain was working double time trying to block out Kirsten Dunst’s goofy teeth anyway, but there is no ignoring that every character’s development was being robbed by unnecessary scenes featuring someone crying. Seriously, there is a lot of $#&%*ing crying in this movie! I’m not kidding even remotely. Before you assume that I’m just being insensitive, allow me to walk you through the film a little (watch out — SPOILERS AHEAD).
Peter is going to propose to Mary Jane. He tells Aunt May. She brings up Uncle Ben. They both cry.
Mary Jane is concerned that Peter isn’t paying enough attention to her feelings. She cries.
Peter takes his psycho friend to the hospital, after his friend tries to kill him. Peter cries.
The Sandman breaks out of jail and hides out in his sick daughter’s room. He cries. His wife fights with him for showing up. They both cry. The daughter discovers he’s there but doesn’t cry, which makes Sandman cry a little more.
The clumpy cat litter man suddenly rises from the traumatic reconstruction of his entire molecular makeup. He then looks at his daughter’s locket … and cries a single dirty tear.
Mary Jane gets fired from playing the lead in what looks like Victor/Victoria. She cries.
Peter’s crazy friend remembers that his Dad is dead. He cries.
Mary Jane breaks up with Peter in Central Park. They both cry.
Captain Stacy tells Peter and Aunt May that Uncle Ben’s killer is on the loose. They both cry, before Peter yells at the captain, who looks, at that moment, as if he is about to cry. Then there’s a flashback scene where Uncle Ben gets shot. Uncle Ben of course cries. In all fairness here, bullets hurt.
Later, clumpy cat litter man will explain to Peter what really happened on that fateful night. Both clumpy cat litter man and the flashback of clumpy cat litter man are both crying.
Peter forgives the clumpy cat litter man for killing his Uncle Ben … while crying.
I don’t want to blow the ending for any of you, but trust me, there’s crying."
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We had two surprises - Dark Knight and Iron Man. Indy was all right too. I enjoyed it.
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thank god he didn't get his shit mitts on this one. It actually has a chance of not sucking giant, pus oozing yeti cock. I'll definitely check it out.
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"I know you’re wondering this so I’ll go ahead and tell you: Venom looked real cool. He was in the movie for maybe twenty minutes, but he looked fantastic in a couple of scenes. Also, he didn’t cry; not even once."
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Oh man!! That was one funny review for the awful Spider-Man 3. I laughed 'til I cried! Thanks for the post.
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Iron Man, Indiana Jones, Wall-E, and The Dark Knight made 2008 the best genre summer since 1982.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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Apr 22, 2009 6:48:13 PM CDT
HAHA, "The box office should BEAM UP enormous returns..."
by joker gordon levitt
BEAM UP!! Get it?!? Oh! Thats a good one.. Well done Hollywood Reporter. Well done indeed...
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"sooo gay" or "Stardate 90210", so thats a good thing.
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Never heard that one before.
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it has fucked up your minds. Indy 4 will go down in history as one of the most complete FUCKINGS of a beloved property in movie history, and as one of the biggest falls from grace from two of the biggest names in modern cinema; although to be honest Lucas fell harder than his MMA bruiser kid the minute he picked JarJar from his neck rolls.Nope..Indy 4 was the nail in Lucas self made coffin, and showed that Spielberg really doesn't give a fuck.
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Apr 22, 2009 6:55:03 PM CDT
Am I hallucinating, or did 2 tb'ers just imply Indy 4 was good?
by jimmay
I thought we'd all collectively agreed that Crystal Skull was a trainwreck. It almost singlehandedly countered the positivity of Iron Man, Wall E and Dark Knight combined. It's very presence last summer brought the whole season down in my eyes.
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really, we know you guys are gay for JJ, but do you really now have to start mentioning reviews from other media outlets, didn't see the positive review for other movies like this, i hope you guys put up the same articles for other movies (wolverine, transformers, T:S) please, stop being so goddamn biased.........love you AINC!
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Indy 4 sucked stinky kangaroo balls.
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every Talkbacker (including me) will be played by Justin Long
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Apr 22, 2009 7:04:54 PM CDT
INDY 4 is the retarded cousin of the rest of the series.....
by stefan2789
You know its true.....
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Are you fucking kidding me? I work around the mainstream and Wolverine promotional materials and the ONLY people I see totally into this movie are people who only know Wolverine from the movies. This will be a huger hit with people who continually ask me which mutant Ryan Reynolds is playing and still have no idea once I tell them. Fox has it's audience and it ain't us.
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I rewatched it the other day and fell asleep.
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Apr 22, 2009 7:09:42 PM CDT
Star Trek will be a great movie, but will dissapoint at B.O.
by stefan2789
Like someone said above, Watchmen got same amount of rave reviews, everyone here was sucking on the blue dong just like they are doing to JJ (you know its true), and both will turn out to be great, great movies, will open pretty good, then will die out quickly, fanboys can only do so much, its sad cause i loved watchmen, and pretty sure will love star trek too, but thats how it is....
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so trek can continue to be made with a big budget. But i dont think it will open huge or beat Wolverine (though I think wolvie will drop big time when bad reviews and word of mouth gets out). Lets remember guys this is Trek. It still has a very big geek/dork/nerd stigma, and thus many people just wont touch trek with a 10 foot pole. It simply never has been seen as cool by the mainstream. And lets not forget guys..trek is not well known globally, its not a globally known brand name as it were. Which makes its internatonal b.o a mystery...
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Except when Mola Ram goes outside at the end, and in the daylight looks like a bald, gap-toothed, slightly pudgy Indian Marty Feldman.
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I want to like this thing so much and it just looks like expensive shit to me. Nothing seems amazing or awe-inspiring, just a bunch of explosions and stuff we've seen so often. The crew looks thrown together and Pine doesn't look like he's competent enough to lead a full bar crawl let alone a starship.
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men and woman like him. Plus the x-men name has large appeal to the mainstream (more than trek anyway), even if X3 sucked, but remember that it made bank, partly on the strengh of the xmen name. The average movie goer did nt know how it completely bastardized the dark phoenix storyline...
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My friends are all calling to talk about it. It looks so much bigger in scale than any of the other ones.
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on the bridge. Everything is too bright and out of focus. Good job there Mr. Saving Private Ryan, director.
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Remember the guy that used to run the Star Trek franchise, Ricky Bermen? Has anyone seen him lately? I used to make daily posts calling for his termination, but now I am concerned for his well being. Yes, his stupidity destroyed Star Trek, but it also allowed someone like JJ Abrams to come in and resurrect it. If Rick Bermen actually did a good job, then we would be seeing another Star Trek: TNG movie. In an odd way, I am glad that Rick Bermen was such a horrible, inept, and generally pathetic producer. I image that right now he is in his bathroom, curled up in a ball on the tiled floor, covered in feces and mumbling words in Latin. I just hope he is okay with this.
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it from my mind, and i dont want to see it again or remember it..
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and then fall big,while i think trek will open smaller but have way better "legs"
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and then fall big,while i think trek will open smaller but have way better "legs"
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A monumental let-down that screams cash-in. The pirate reviews are tepid at best, outright lousy at worst, and nearly everything I've heard of it makes me less interested to see it. Of course, my anticipation level started pretty low--I generally ignored the news on it until I saw the first preview, and then, that last shot of Wolvie jumping off a flying/exploding car onto a hover helicopter in mid-air, just screamed "nuke the fridge."
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Apr 22, 2009 7:28:18 PM CDT
The Bridge Finale in TOD is certainly the lowest part of the fil
by fa_tass_dinomolester
but I still like it. It's the least of the three climaxes from the original Indy trilogy, but still largely superior to the end of KOCS, (including Spalko's demise, where she continues to scream after she combusts).
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How could you guys forget Hellboy 2? That was a glorious burnished jewel of a film!
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unknown globally, no preconceived ideas about trek could really help its international b.o...
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This years Superman Returns.
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Lucas, please stop writing things.
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Extremely excited about Del Toro doing the Hobbit duology, although disappointed they've dropped the "Bridge Film" idea. Anywho back on topic: JJ Abrams is a hemorrhoid on the ass of the planet!
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Of course. Have you SEEN Uhura's uniform?
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and i was with those balls until the whole fridge scene. from then the balls started shriveling up. the movie came to a screeching halt and began to suck as bad as episode 1. except episode 1 had that tottaly flippin sweet fight scene with darth maul at the end. where as indy 4 had aliens, a double-triple-double-who-even-gives-a-fuck-anymore-double cross, and a wedding.
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Star Trek is for the fans only. These know-nothings coming in cold won't know who Nimoy is or care about some dude called Spock. I say fuck 'em! This is my party, get the fuck out.
And if you couldn't muster anything to enjoy Indy 4, you are a sad, pathetic slug. Aside from some dumb jokes, it was a lot of fun and was no more over-the-top or absurd than a guy watching his heart being removed. ENough with the hyperbole- Worst ever! Fuck you and your fanboy cliches! Fucking child murderers. -
... I didn't think it was that bad, in fact I thought it was pretty damn entertaining! Ford was still believable as Indiana Jones, and there was enough tension in the movie to make it a decent entry in the series. What I don't understand is that "The Watchmen" gets more love around here than Indy IV.
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yes the spiderman 3 review was hilarious. fuck there was more crying in that movie than the wrestler. and i love the watchmen, aside from the old age makeup, and malin akerman stinking up the place. 9/12 from me.
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I've never been remotely interested in the original series, was bored to tears whenever my mom (big Trekkie) watched the one with Patrick Stewart, and the one movie I've seen b/c my dad dragged me to it (was it "Insurrection"?) was pure torture to me. And while I enjoy Lost and loved Alias, I do think JJ Abrams is overrated (Lindelof is the reason Lost rocks, and M:I-3 was just ok). But for some reason...I'm really looking forward to this. I like the cast and the cinematography (not to mention the obviously bigger budget) but mostly, I can't remember the last time a summer blockbuster looked this FUN that didn't involve superheroes or Pixar. It's...refreshing. I just hope the script by the Transformers guys isn't too dumb for me to enjoy it. I know Trek was supposed to be the more intelligent space franchise, after all.
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fuck you aintitcool for not having a edit button. these talkbacks suck more that channing tatum (insert family guy flashback here)
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You know, that means X-men 3 is the 3rd or 4th best movie of all-time
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Apr 22, 2009 7:49:25 PM CDT
yea jj is overrated and cloverfield sucked badly
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
mi 3 was pretty lame to. but i was never a fan of watching tom cruise run around for 2 hours and pulling off masks.
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I bought my ticket over a month ago for the opening day. But I doubt if all the ST fanboy/girls in the world could give any ST movie a mega opening. This will live or die on its appeal to the under 25's if its going to be a big hit. ST11 may be a good movie but even Wrath Of Khan would not be a megahit if released today as the culture is different now. Thats why the trailers/marketing are targeting that younger audience as Paramount know its the only way it can live long and prosper. Star Trek has a lot of barriers to overcome, most mainstream audiences view it as childish sci-fi which ran forever on TV (courtesy of Berman & friends). I think it will open solidly but unspectacular then drop off around 55-60% and slowly fade into obscurity around mid-late June. Overall I would think it could gross worldwide around $375-400M split 50/50. $100M more if it can capture the kids & teenagers. This will probably do similar numbers to Die Hard4/Superman Returns (both 1980's franchises as well). Paramount must be a little worried though as the turnout for their recent publicity world tour was not exactly huge. At best they got a few 100 fans show up (except for Germany).
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Hire me Variety!
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Like in Edward Scissorhands? And is there a backstory as to why she would let herself get dicked by a vulcan? According to cuba gooding jr. Hollywood doesn't do interracial romances unless there's a backstory as to why a white girl would go out of her race.
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Apr 22, 2009 7:59:53 PM CDT
i think old ass star trek fans will hate this
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
"they dont make em like they used to sonny." guarantee youll hear that about 6000 times.
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Apr 22, 2009 8:01:08 PM CDT
Shut up about Indy 4 you fat fucking worthless nerds
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Can't even comprehend the pulp inspirations of the series you claim to love. Fuck you, I don't think so.
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I dont know. I'm going off message boards and stuff...but dont geeks consider Star Trek: The Motion Picture as one of the weaker movies? (I've never seen it myself.)
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But the rest of us couldn't care less about it
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Beginning...after the caddyshack gopher...good...then...nuke/fridge...bad....but aftermath with government/army...good...back on campus...good....Shia stuff as Brando/wlld one...dopey...but their meeting...good overall...then everything through Marion appears...good (even the snake/rope thing)...but Shia vine-swinging - bad -- Close Encounters-like finish.....eh....feh...not so good. Why supernatural stuff is better than sci-fi angle for Indy is hard to explain, but the latter just feels right and the former doesn't.
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Why people hate it is beyond me. It contains all the same ingredients of the other 3 movies yet many dislike it due to childish Lucas hate payback from the prequels. Spielberg is the one who wanted many of the unpopular elements including the Fridge yet he gets a pass.... Lucas wanted Aliens & the 1950's everything else was Spielberg. I think it stands with the other movies and Ford gave an astonishing performance. If he dyed his hair back to how it was in 1989 (Spieberg wanted him to but Ford rightly refused!!) you would struggle to see the difference in the scene where Indy is talking to Mutt in his library about the Skulls from the Indy3 scene with Marcus/Donovan before they leave for the adventure. Spielberg was also the holdout and reason it took so long as Lucas was ready to go in 1996 but ID4 made SS nervous so he never committed to the project until 2003 then it tooks them years to get a script they all liked. Hopefully SS listens to Lucas more next time (SS loved the Darabont version script which was utterly terrible and not a worthy Indy story) and Indy5 is within the next 3 years (quite likely if Lucas can find an semi-real artifact for Indy to chase). If box office is a real indication of franchise popularity then Indy still has it as internationally he was the biggest movie of 2008 (yep even beating TDK outside NA in the global theatrical markets by $1m).
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-preferably ones that look just like tribbles-
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Apr 22, 2009 8:31:56 PM CDT
funny, because i like episode 2 and love episode 3
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
and im not even one of those big geeky star wars fans. i dont own any of the sw movies. so does that mean im allowed to hate indy 4 now? seeing as we need your permission.
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So they didn't like it.
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Apr 22, 2009 8:36:18 PM CDT
ign movies and music sucks ass, dont ever listen to them
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
EVER
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That kind of movie is wholly out of touch with most of what passes for movie fandom on the internet and it was also pre-destined to be caught up in the general Lucashate internet fart that it seems will never dissipate from the web. The apparent success of Trek will also be used to bash the prequels here and by lazy critics as well - never mind that we are a decade on now.
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Apr 22, 2009 8:42:56 PM CDT
Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World...
by fa_tass_dinomolester
well, at least we can comprehend a sucky-ass mess when we see one!
And Genrefanboy, actually the fridge and many of the other god-awful shit from KocS was indeed Lucas: the fridge, all of the alien stuff, the waterfalls, the rubber tree, the giant bugs. True, Shia of the Apes and the Hedgehog were Spielberg, but alot of the film was there from "Saucer Men From Mars" onward; check out that script and "City of the Gods" for proof. No one could have done that story justice, even Kasdan...
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And Karen Allen was wasted.
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Was not the worst Star Trek film by a long shot. 3rd or 4th best, I'd say.
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I'm totally a billion percent pumped to see this movie, but those ads are really insulting. "If you like this series, GO FUCK YOURSELF!" Yeesh. Thanks for the boot in the ass on the way out the door.
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My father never watched Star Trek. So every iteration of Star Trek has not been my father's Star Trek. But nice try JJ.
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But The Shat's not in it after all, eh Herc?
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...is less suspect than most of the critics, whether they be the major critics or alternative media critics. Besides, I sexier than they are.
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I'm interested in how much this will make. I predict $24m to $40m - in other words, meager by current standards, followed by a precipitous 60 percent drop. Whee. Can't wait for all the "nerd" water-dunkings that will happen outside theaters as cars speed past ignoring this movie.
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calling Star Trek this years Superman Returns.
I'd assume it's meant as a joke at this point given that everything we've been hearing is pointing the other way.
To bad it hasn't caught on as a MEME yet.
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Apr 22, 2009 9:31:13 PM CDT
50 mil opening 150-165 mil in total
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
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Making a change of plan on its big-budgeted project "Avatar", 20th Century Fox has announced that it has pushed back the release date of the movie from May 22, 2009 to December 19, 2009.
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Although your a douchebag , I may have to agree with you that it will not be a huge money maker. I am think 50 million tops. I hope I am wrong and it hits 60-70 but I don't see it. I do think it will make 200-300 million worldwide and be a gigantic DVD seller. It will more then make its money back when all is said and done and their will be a sequel.
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u da man J.J.!
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That people are saying " Only 2 reviews? Wait until the rest come in ". Haven't they been reading what people have been saying that have seen it? So far I've only read one reviewer in the talkbacks that said he saw it and didn't think much of it. All of the reliable sources I've read have been overwhelmingly positive which for ST these days is really something! Can't wait! My Birthday is the 10th so a bunch of people from work want to go together on the 9th. I'm so glad Star Trek is making it's mark again!
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reading that makes me really uneasy. glad to know that two papers owned by the studio system liked an expensive movie, though.
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Funny. I just went to IGN to check what you said and the 2 reviews there give it 4 out of 5 stars! One from the UK the other from AU. Both seemed to like it a lot using words like " Brilliant ".
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Certainly, whatever the final opening weekend box office numbers, or the final numbers of the film's take, it could have always been much bigger. The point is, if Matt Damon was hired for Trek as young Kirk, and William Shatner reprising his role as the older Kirk, the box office numbers would be drastically higher. Hell, I would have even been happy to see Damon as Christopher Pike, but no, we can't have that can we Paramount and JJ? No, I mean, Matt Damon is only the star of a blockbuster franchise...with enormous cross demographic appeal among mass audiences, world wide, but who cares about that, right? The chance to expand Star Trek's audience well beyond science fiction audiences, or its normal fan base, was huge, but Paramount threw that chance away...eyes wide shut!Now JJ Abrams is falsely claiming that Damon turned down the role as young Kirk, but months ago, also according to Abrams, no such offer was ever made to Damon, by him or by the studio??? Which is revisionist history, Abrams then...or now? This is nothing but last minute desperation in terms of film marketing/promotion to try to raise the profile of the film among the public by selling it as a film that Matt Damon was considered for. Could it be that tracking numbers for the film are soft?As for Shatner, his career rebound with the Priceline ads, Boston Legal, and a number of Emmys for that latter role, would have been priceless for the new Trek with regard to selling tickets, but agin, Paramount and Abrams couldn't have that? Why pay Shatner 5 million for his salary, for 35 million extra, or more, opening weekend, in return, in ticket sales, thanks to his appearance in the film. He has built a new legion of fans that are diverse demographically, fans that would have flocked to see this film out of curiousity, if nothing else, and others, just to support him, as this would have been an event. Many of Boston Legal's fandom, in addition to Emmy viewers, and those who enjoy Shatner's Priceline pitches, would never dare see a science fiction film or have anything to do with Star Trek, including many older and younger women, but they would have shown-up in the millions to see Shatner in the new Trek film, however, Paramount and JJ Abrams are too invested in a campaign against Shatner to see that--the reason I suspect that Shatner did not win the Emmy for his last nomination, as Paramount influenced a large share of the vote. Now, that agenda has been further reflected in Paramount's bashing of Shatner in a CSI episode based on Star Trek which aired last week, one that featured a Shatner like character who was sleeping with his female fans at sci-fi conventions, and a female producer, etc., while secretly recording his sex sessions via a hidden camera on a touring set of the ship's bridge. Oh, and he was also stealing ideas from a book author, in addition to threatening women, he was also a sex addict, a misogynist, a women beater, a loud mouth, arrogant, and a all around low-life. What a way to say thank you to William Shatner? Clearly, if you didn't think his not being cast in the new Star Trek film wasn't personal, now you know otherwise. The new Star Trek will make money yes, but is will allso lose the hundreds of millions of dollars extra that Matt Damion would have brought to the box office, the additional cross demographic he would have given Star Trek by drawing in all new audiences who would never willfully watch a Star Trek film, and much of the same is true of Shatner's present value...now all lost, ironic, since JJ Abrams help to create the series Lost? Paramount's execs are about as reckless as the people running AIG, in terms of making executive decisions, when it comes to getting the most bang for one's buck, including the money of their own film investors.
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with you. I also think about 50-60 mil opening (though i hope higher) and about 15o mil NA maybe 350 mil worldwide (though i hope higher).
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But isn't that what this movie is all about? Reaching a larger audience than before? Already I'm seeing people who say they don't like ST but are excited about this movie.
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Some FUCKING RETARD doesn't know how to spell retarded!!
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... But I love 'em both nonetheless.
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and i always go into a movie wanting to like it, some love. My dislike for Indy 4 has fuckall to do with "Lucas hate" or payback for the prequal trilogy (which for the record i have mixed feelings towards...like some things, love a few, hate many other things..) I wanted to love a new indy movie, and was looking so forward to it. Firstly, i blame spielberg equally for whats wrong with it, Spielberg gets no free pass from me dude. Now that thats out the way...i dont like indy 4 because of the flat out goofy/cartoonish/retarded moments like the fridge incident, Shia on the vines with the monkeys, and the fucking ants which all looked really bad too becos of bad use of cgi. U can tell me all day how it s no different from the other indy movies, but i think you may be trying to convince yourself. The other indy movies were ridiculous sure, but they always walked just the right line between that and suspension of belief. That is not the case with all the afore mentioned scenes in Indy 4. I agree with you about Ford, he was great and credit to him for making the effort. And yes he looked good for his age. But Indy 4s shittiness had nothing to do with Ford, it was all Koepp's shitty script, and Spielberg and Lucas who gave Ford little to do, and made him mostly passive in the story, rather than pro-active like he was in the other films.
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Same, "Let's travel back in time and save the future, by saving the past" plotline from Star Trek 4, Star Trek: First Contact, and Star Trek: Enterprise.
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I thought I'd be bored after everyone went to bed tonight. Wait! Why wait?
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they should have made Obama be Spock
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they should have made Obama be Spock
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ending and how they wasted Marion, or how uninteresting the new characters were. Though I liked Spalko, just wish they gave her more to do and a better death scene. Btw...for what its worth, i really like the first half hour. Its a clever seup to the 1950s, and to Spalko, and its an unexpected begining. Also liked the references to Raiders and the last few years of Indy's life. Just so sad that it all went so damn downhill starting with the fridge.....*sigh*
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Can't wait!
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From the IGN UK Review - "The film is never boring, but it never takes off in a way that is seriously exhilarating or electrifying. These days we expect our $200 million summer movies to compete with The Dark Knight and Transformers: Both are obviously very different films, but they are united in their narrative urgency and intensity. Star Trek never approaches those heights." - That does not get me excited to see this film.
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Simply jump cutting from shot to shot because Bay is a shitty director unwilling to make the effort to work on one good shot and stick with it for more than three seconds does not equal "narrative urgency" or "intensity." Transformers and Dark Knight aren't even on the same planet, aesthetically speaking. If IGN's reviewer is saying Star Trek is less "urgent" than Transformers, then sign me the fuck up. Lesson one for a film critic: never use a Michael Bay movie as a comparison to another film unless its how much less the film happens to suck.
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Apr 22, 2009 11:11:06 PM CDT
Thanks to Rick Berman for carrying the torch but thank goodness
by vomitousmass
Without Berman, there would be no modern Star Trek to SAVE from the wreckage he's left by letting the franchise get moldy in its tupperware. Looks like JJ is exactly the right new blood the franchise needed. You know things were getting bad when Galaxy Quest was a better "Star Trek" movie than Nemesis.
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... carrying the torch of Trek, I mean. (Dang talkback subject line character limits...)
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The most popular Trek film was The Voyage Home because it poked fun at the Trek mythos and was accessible to non-Trekkies. From all accounts, Abrams film is the most accessible installment since that one and should, in my opinion, do very well. Wolverine will open stronger(around 80-90 million). However, I see it plummeting after and struggling to get to $200 million. Trek will open to around $50-60 and have stronger legs and finish with around $250 million. Oh, and Indy 4 is a good, entertaining film. Save you bile for true crap like the Mummy 3.
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In spirit, it is the most honest example of Gene Roddenberry's vision of START TREK. It's the truest sci-fi story of the entire film series. It's slow as a motherfucker in a lot of places, but the themes and "adversary" are pretty cool.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10225572-36.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0
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I'm betting that Wolverine will tank because of the bad taste left over from X-Men 3, and bad word of mouth once it's out, where as Star Trek will be getting good word of mouth, and fans will will do their part by dragging non-fans to see it, converting them, then they convert others and so on, plus all the flashing lights and loud noises will attract the Lowest Common Denominators.
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It's looking like way too much fun to spoil. I'm going spoiler-free from here on in.
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That flick was heartbreaking. There was good stuff littered through it, but it was like golden flakes on a turd, after all is said and done, it's still a turd.
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TMP is the only Trek film to use hard-core science-fiction as the mcguffin. I tend believe that those that hate it are just dumb sacks of shit who don't get the questions posed,"Who am I? Why am I here? If nothing else the film deserves credit for asking such deep stuff and the film is very deep, almost into 2001 territory. Of course anyone that hates 2001 is a dumb retard as well.
That score alone kicks all kinds of ass!
I won't speculate the BO as I'm not good at that, but the film will be one of the big hits of the year and it won't be from the "general Masses" but from the fans young and old who recognize a great Trek when they see it. Please stop with the "I hate Trek, but I will see this!"
Why?
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Apr 22, 2009 11:33:30 PM CDT
Fuck this Trek virgin noise! Their opinions are irrelevant!
by zodnotgod
Dammit! I want a hard-core geek's opinion! Not Harry because he lost me with his like for Twilight.
I want a basement-dwelling, wool-cap-wearing-virgin geek's take! If you can please those nitpicky fuckers, all is good! Screw these morons who've never seen it, (I feel very sorry for those stumps)
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I will get on board the "Wolverine" hate as I've seen it. It's awful. Ryan Reynolds is wasted...totally wasted.
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Ok. I'm looking at the UK review at IGN now. " Actually the quote is :
" The film is never boring, but it never takes off in a way that is seriously exhilarating or electrifying. These days we expect our $200 million summer movies to compete with The Dark Knight and Transformers: Both are obviously very different films, but they are united in their narrative urgency and intensity. Star Trek never approaches those heights.
Then it goes on to say : " In a way, Star Trek is this year's Iron Man. Both were superbly cast, full of great character interaction and genuine humanity. But the pair were also seriously hampered by badly conceived storylines and humdrum action sequences (remember Tony Stark's rubbish fight with Ironmonger at the end of the film?) that stops them joining the likes of Jaws, Star Wars and Independence Day in the annuls of truly great summer films.
The great thing about both Iron Man and Trek, however, is that they lay the groundwork for (what we hope will be) mind-blowing second instalments. By the end of Star Trek, we have a (mostly) brilliantly cast crew in place on the bridge of the Enterprise. For Star Trek 2 (or should that be 12?) here's hoping a strong new adversary returns to threaten the Federation (wouldn't Klingons or The Borg be awesome?) -- then perhaps Abrams' promise of genuinely exciting space adventure will be fully realised. "
And of course the AU review has : " Star Trek is an incredibly entertaining film from the opening moments to the last. It nails the balance between characterisation, sexuality, action and spectacle and the pace never falters. There are moments, particularly during the more heartfelt exchanges between Spock and his family, in which you feel like you're being manipulated – but this only really occurs as an afterthought – such is the directing ability of J. J. Abrams. He will suck you into his vision of the universe and he'll play with your emotions. "
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It starts with a hairy man-boy looking into the mirror ponderously, then picking up a Schick razor. Next shot he has a movie Wolverine haircut and manicured chops, then proceed to the god-awful flying-off-an-explosion-lifted-army-hummer-towards-a-floating-helicopter scene. Nothing says a good movie like a tie-in with male hygiene products.
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prediction...just kidding, seems great minds think alike lol. But Imagin78, cmon...you really liked indy 4? Why?
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Tell all those European/asia sci-fi conventeers that Trek is not known globally. Stop with the BS. Of course its' known worldwide. Never saw Trekkies 2, eh? Of course...shithead.
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I dug the hell out of Indy 4, stop fucking your hobbit and climb off.
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Is this some kind of masculinity thing? I just don't see how Wolverine is more 'mainstream' than Star Trek. We're talking space porn here, people. Spaceships shooting at each other, with characters that waaaay more people are familiar with than the members of the Weapon X program. Unless we're talking about teenagers who grew up (shudder) with the X-Men films. Trek is going to be huge. If you think it's not going to beat the pants off of Wolverine in the box office, you're on crack. Not that it's a competition (well, not for me anyway). Well, I definitely want Trek to do well, and I have mixed feelings about Wolverine. I do want them to make more X-verse movies, but I want them to do them right and I want Rothman to stay away. So maybe if it tanks, they'll go a different direction or maybe sell the rights back to Marvel or something.
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TMP...well the dorectors cut anyway, which is far superior IMHO. I think the theatrical version largely deserved the criticism it got, but much of that was fixed in Wise's DC. And i like that its so different from all the other trek movies. In a way its the most adult and intellectual of the movies. But I think thats what is cool about the trek series, how different the movies can be (comedy, murder mystery, action etc..) due to trek being such a versatile concept...
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Apr 22, 2009 11:49:27 PM CDT
Looking forward to this...and i cant stand JJ's other movies
by quantize
...he better not let me down!
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mean by the mainstream dude. Not hard core sci-fi fans at conventions. Im South African, and i can tell you that Trek is not hugely known by the mainstream, nor is it in any way popular in Africa. I have lived in Japan, Hong Kong, and I am currently living in Korea. And i can promise you my friend in the mainstream trek is unknown. I have yet to see trek for sale or rental in any video store in Japan, Hong Kong or Korea (and keep in mind these countries devour pop culture, especially sci-fi) nor have i ever seen any trek on tv even though ive lived in Asia for years now. My Korean girlfriend loves sci-fi, but she has never even heard of trek and has never seen any image from it. This new trek will be her introduction to trek because I cant find any Trek here in Korea to show her, and Ive tried dude. In fact, here in Kore its called Star Trek: The Begining becos as far as they are concerned this is the first trek movie. And aside from Germany and the uk, trek isnt well known in Europe.
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Star Trek won't be Dark Knight or Transformers? Count me in, then.
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wolverine and make huge bank, but im trying to be realistic here as a trekkie, unlike some who are proclaiming that it will be the biggest movie of the year. Those guys are on crack. You guys have seen the previous b.o of trek movies right? And have you looked at their international b.o? Not good...
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movie of the year. That movie will print money...
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TF2 will make the Fed look like amateurs when it comes to spitting out $$$. But that is what worries me....Cuz the same low brow FUCK that thinks crying, pissing, ghetto talking robots are somehow high concept comedy is the SAME writing for retards motherfucker who wrote Trek.
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1.The same crowd that liked TF will like this.2. Trek will do about 175-200M Box office....TF2 will do close to 300..maybe a bit more.3. Shatner will provide the voice over at the end of the film "to boldly go..." to appease the hardcore fans.
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i have concerns about ol Bob and Alex's writing too. Though they appear to adjust their writing level for the director they are working with. However, they do have a habit of just aping ideas from other sci-fi...
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im gonna go out on a limb here and predict between 800-900 mil worldwide. I think Trek will do 300-400 mil worldwide...
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those kind of numbers only would prove that Retards indeed do run the world.
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not one preview mentions his absence...and only one mentions a voice over of some sort at the end....Shat delivers this line...Bank on it.
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WATCHMEN comparison makes sense in this regard:1. WATCHMEN seemed to please some of the die-hard fans, but not enough.2. WATCHMEN attracted curious newbies during opening weekend, but most weren't won over.Worse case scenario is that the same thing could happen with Trek. On the other hand, as has been said in other TBs, it could be the CASINO ROYALE of Trek.
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So, what's your intel on Shatner delivering the famous line?
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Then it's not a Star Trek movie.
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....I don't know if Trans will do THAT much more business than Trek. But definitely a few hundred mill more worldwide.
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Apr 23, 2009 12:46:26 AM CDT
southafricanguy-yea i just dont seeing it do
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
superherp-blockbuster type numbers. more like bond numbers.
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1. Not one mention of Shat in any review...not even in mentioning that he is missed, or that Pine makes "Kirk" his own. I mean...Kirk=Shatner, if only seems reasonable that SOME mention of the man be made somewhere...by someone. None do.2. I'm not sure which of the 5000 Blowjob reviews it was here on AICN....but ONE of them made mention that there is a closing voice over..and that Voice would be a hit with the fans...which means it is either Stewart..or Shat. Seeing as how TNG are overly represented in the comic book, and putting them in the film would be overkill....that leaves only Shatner.Call it a guess...a hypothesis...what will you. But I'd put money on Shatner doing that voice over...especially given all the press given to the fact he wasn't it in earlier. And if it IS NOT Shatner...Then FUCK YOU JJ Abrams...FUCK YOU HARD in your ungrateful shithole you lousy pompous prick...Shatner IS Trek as much as Nimoy is...and for that alone you owe it to Bill, as the fucking professional and living legend he is, to put him in your film.
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Then the boycott line starts right here.
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Of course retards run the world lol. Just over exagerating. But think about it. TF1 made 700 mil worlwide. It made a whole new fan base for transformers and introduced a whole new generation of kids to transformers. Then the dvd sold over 10 million copies, and it was a huge rental. Here in Asia, Transformers was fucking huge dude (and remember how big a market Asia is, and how they love Anime type sci-fi).
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knight, or x1-x2 (just 2 examples that spring to mind). In each case the original movie was successful and made the property popular beyond its traditional fan base, and then the sequals did gangbusters...
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this summer. Besides did you see that Showest footage? Whatever you may think of the quality, it looks like sheer epic spectacle. And people want escapism at the moment...
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full of quality and maturity. Hell...even Voltes 5 from the 1970s was better written and more mature in plot that Transformers. I can see some N.Korean thinking it was the shit...but the Chinese, Japanese and the rest should know better..unless they too have had a retard population explosion this last generation. I'm hoping in the intervening years kids have taken a hard look at TF..and decided that they, like the rest of us were screwed by Orci and Bay.I've said it before...TF wasn't just bad, it was insulting...it was even insulting to the kids who watched it...the Toy commercials from the 80s had more heart than that turd..and I mean the ACTUAL COMMERCIALS...not the TV show. 7-900M you say...there is no hope for mankind.
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or TF2? Sorry but it wasnt clear from your post...
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If we were talking about N.Korea then you could discount anything I said. South Korea is like the 10th biggest economy in the world, its a lot like Japan..just hotter woman and a lower cost of living (Japan's cool, but insanely expensive)
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that Showwest footage was a nothing but an 150M digital ceiling mobile for video game addicted, ADD afflicted tweens who forgot to take their Ritalin and are naturally attracted to shiny objects and loud noises.
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sci-fi. I did not mean to imply that Bay's Transformers was the equal of good Anime, sorry if i made you think that. I just meant in the sense that it uses Anime ideas and imagery.
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i will wait for Avatar.
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As I could understand why they would like TF....S.Koreans have no excuse for liking that shit, they should know better, being raised on quality Anime Sci-fi
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comment, but you know im not defending it right? Im just trying to be objective based on what ive seen, and simple b.o numbers..
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comment, but you know im not defending it right? Im just trying to be objective based on what ive seen, and simple b.o numbers..
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stood your intention.
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Damn I love those S. Korean girl groups(wonder girls, After school, etc...)..not the music mind you..just the girls. How do I know of these underage (by repressed American standards) pop tarts you ask? Asian wife...thats why.;0
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everywhere there has been a retard explosion here as well, just not as big...
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tards will be like moths to flame...Orci will be the wealthiest mediocrity in Hollywood...bad times. I salute you SFA..You are a fucking professional. And now I shall retire...for Orci will be here soon...and I will need my strength to flame him into oblivion. Nite all.
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Apr 23, 2009 1:46:32 AM CDT
Yeah, the music is really shitty, but there are some really
by southafricanguy
woman in them. Asian wife huh? Yeah Asian woman are the best, are nt they?
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bodies, really pretty, very kinky in bed (at least in my experiance), and into geeky things like sci-fi...
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guys, its like a sex fantasy for them...aah, i love living in Asia...
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So some Hwood papers like a movie. Okay... So? This is the same shit this site and some others tried to do with WATCHMEN. Save it before it opens. As readers we all know Harry and Tim got Paramount to screen STAR TREK in Austin early and now as thanks, I guess, they have to pimp out the movie like it's the second coming. Fuck, could you sell out a little more?
Why can't the flick survive or fail on it's own fucking merit? Why do you have to pray at the altar of JJ to somehow sway people into believing it's gonna be a classic? And besides, kinda preaching to the wrong crowd since most of the readers of THIS site have made up their mind one way or the other about when or if they're seeing it. I hate this shit. This is NOT news of any kind. Cool or no. This is the exact OPPOSITE of what many film blog sites are trying to do with WOLVERINE. Instead of firebombing it, like WOLVERINE, they are basking in it like CLOVERFIELD which was pretty damn mediocre. Stop trying to sell tickets to your friends' movies. Same with BASTERDS which I'm sure is gonna get the full on blowjob ass kiss extravaganza on this site later this year. Can't wait to read the MULTITUDE of reviews here that trumpet it as Tarantino's APOCALYPSE NOW. Yeah, right. -
As an Aussie living in Japan, its amazing.
Like so many guys I know that came here single and had no intention of getting married, have since got married. The girls are just that amazing. Also like every guy here, you walk around and your eyes are incredibly well excercised.
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$250m for me, Transformers 2 $550m, Terminator 4 $350m (Bale's star power will at least add $100m)
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...u have ever seen. just read nikkie finkie's DHD.
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Apr 23, 2009 3:13:14 AM CDT
The studios already has AICN, Variety and HR in their pocket.
by frye777
Period.
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And I'm excited about Star Trek.
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about Crystal Skull - Lucas raped my childhood, Lucas can't write, Spielberg has lost it, it got terrible reviews, waaah waaah, waaah. Well, Lucas didn't write it, he just came up with the story idea. The (admittedly weak) screenplay was by David Koepp. And it actually got really good reviews from most people. And was the second highest grossing film of the year worldwide behind The Dark Knight. I love how fanboys take their delusional notions of how they felt about the film and try to turn it into some kind of universal truth. The truth is the film was a massive hit. And, despite its flaws, I really enjoyed it. At least Spielberg knows a thing or two about filmmaking, unlike the hacks i've had to endure for the last 13 years.
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even the reviews I've read that had issues with the film have considered them minor and not damaging to the film as a whole. Can someone please point me to all out hatefest on the movie. All these great reviews its getting give the impression its perfect, which of course nothing is. It would just settle me down and help keep my expectations lower to find someone who hated it. And they need lowering. I'm so jazzed up for all things Trek right now I just spent £70 pre-ordering the blu-ray box set of the first 6 films and didn't have to think about it in these uncertain times!!! This could get expensive...
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come on now. those are dark knight numbers, i dont think will be seeing those again for awhile, especially by transformers 2.
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Thinking from a global box office perspective not just US Domestic.
Per Box Office Mojo, Transformers 1 Worldwide gross was about $700m.
Looking at that list, Pirates of Carribean :Dead Man's Chest at $1,066m - we should all feel ashamed. -
I really appreciate you and your buddies pimping this fucking flick half to death, two weeks before it comes out. Seriously, what the fuck is the point of posting links to reviews from other websites? This site has already masturbated furiosly all over JJ and his minions in one pathetic circle jerk. We know you like it. Stop posting bullshit like this in a embarrassing attempt to validate your collective corruptness and increase traffic.
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woman are the best. Same here dude, so many guys no intention of getting married, until they meet an awsome Asian woman....and you can add me to that list, never thought i would want to get married, but damn man! These Korean woman...And as you say your eyes in Korea and Japan are very well exercised, its actualy like overload..
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smokin bodies and then they wear tight, short clothes....ay! Oh, and agree with you about Chinese woman...not so much, dont know why, theres just something off about them..
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serious work out every day...
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dude, i dont hate Spielberg for indy 4, he is still one of the greats no matter what. However we will have to agree to disagree about Lucas, who for me has lost all credibility and any talent he once had. I m happy for you that you enjoyed it, wish i could have. Im sorry (and this is just my subjective opinion) but Koepp's script, like most of his scripts, sucked. And there were just too many cartoon moments for me. As i ve said i liked the first 30 mins, i thought Ford was damn good, and Spalko was a cool villain (in concept anyway). But Lucas's idiotic ideas are all over the film, and why was Shia in te movie? Did it really need him?
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know im not into irrational hate for films just for the sake of it. Im also not jaded or cynical about film, unlike many i actually still really like many films, and I always go into a movie at least wanting to like it. But what can I say? Indy 4 just did not work for me...
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Or did NewKirk go all surly and stuff on him, and say, "I'm not going to warn you one more time, pal..." but Finnegan says, "I'll be believin' it when I sees it, boy-o!" But then Kirk says, "Okay, but don't send the doctor's bills to me!" and unleashes a ton of whooooopass on him, with lots of shaky-cam and quick cut edits so you can't see what the fuck's going on, then Finnegan's on the ground bleeding, saying, "Is that all you got, laddy?" but Kirk says, "Stay down, buddy." but Finnegan tries to get up anyway, and NewKirk does a wicked awful leg sweep and Finnegan's knocked out fucking cold, and as Kirk's walking away, Uhura's panties are soaked, and he says "Top o' the morning, *that*, bee-yatch!" and they play an awesome rap song, or maybe the Kill Bill Electric Samurai song...
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I really want those two films to beat Transformers' ass.
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IMHO. TF2 will almost certainly be the biggest movie of the Summer..
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my friend...
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That this film will be shiny and 'exciting' and make loads of money because morons will go and see it based on the fact that there was a shiny and exciting ad on TV for it. It's written by two morons and directed by someone who thinks shaking a camera about is how you make action movies. It'll be a mindless two hours of whiz-bang razzle dazzle disguised as a good film. No intelligent debate will follow it but the creators will get the chance to churn out more vacuous pish based on its box-office success.
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Kirk fucks EVERYTHING
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How wrong can one person be about the CSI episode? The character you described was the PRODUCER not the Kirk Character. He was the anti-Roddenberry, not the anti-Kirk. The whole point of the character and the fans hate for him was that he dared change the mythos. It wasn't a slam on any existing Trek character. The CSI lab guy represented the Kirk character throughout the episode which treated the Kirk persona very simpathetically. You are completely, utterly wrong in your assessment and logic here.
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A durp, a durp, a durpity durp.
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all that matters now.
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Orci has said they want the sequel to be informed "by the fans". For all we know, they could be lurking these boards, looking for stuff to rip-off right now!
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I'm thinking the only movie this summer that will really challenge this movie is Harry Potter. It's the return of Trek and with all of the early word being so positive this movie will at the very least be the biggest trek film ever and probably a lot more.
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The Times and The Daily Mail both gave it 5 stars
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Wolverine: 150 million Star Trek: 200 million Terminator: 210 million TF2: 325 million
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I wasn't having a go at you, I know you know what you're talking about. And I agree with most of your points, including that the screenplay was lame. But I still enjoyed it, especially the temple sequence at the end, which succeeded for me in capturing the vibe of the old films.
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By the way have you watched the making of documentaries on the Crystal Skull DVD? If not you'd be surprised at how many of the crappy ideas actually came from Spielberg, and not Lucas.
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You are correct.
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That character was styled after Shatner, not Roddenberry. Although both men were alleged to be sleep arounds, it is clear that the character on CSI was a shot across the bow of Shatner, as it was patterned after the many rumors that have dogged Shatner for years, about sleeping with fans at Star Trek conventions, and being an arrogant loud mouth on the set of the series. Roddenberry was never accused of those things...and we both know it.Now, the character, within the character, on the show...as played by a CSI actor, was depicted as being a great guy, as the Kirk character. I am not discussing him, and you know it, I am talking about the offset jerk who likes to beat women and sleep with fans...who was murderered as a result of his Bob Crane like lifestyle...and that was aimed at Shatner, himself, the reason why they didn't call the show Star Trek, but came up with a parody title for the series.
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Apr 23, 2009 9:42:22 AM CDT
I DON'T TRUST TRADE REVIEWS - BECAUSE THEY'RE TRADE REVIEWS
by bringingsexyback
I'll wait to hear what Yackbacker has to say :)
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That fat fuck gave great head!
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He's mine! Get your own man!
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Death Blossom.
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You can always watch Voyager. That show will NEVER be mainstream cool.
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I liked the original Star Trek: TMP movie.
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Apr 23, 2009 10:26:58 AM CDT
CSI: Star Trek Episode, With Ron Moore And Grace Park...
by media messiah
...and the chief's wife, from Galactica. They parody Boomer's shooting Adama scene. Park gives a non speaking cameo, but Moore has a line or two. Anyway, here it goes, the CSI Star Trek episode, complete with Shatner bashing. Cut and past the net address link I have provided in your internet navigators and hit enter to link to the show. Note: If any spaces appear in the address, take-out the space, or spaces you see, before you hit enter, in order to link to the address and avoid any bad link connection warnings: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi/video/video.php?cid=446409122&pid=w1mVVqKBy5amUvOwwVY8tZPsupRnuKd8&play=true&cc=0
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I hear that Shatner fucked every fan and cast member of Star Trek that he could possibly get ahold of...no wonder why the jealous execs at Paramount hate him so much?
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Everything following in Star Trek movies has been less.
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Took all day.
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yup...
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Come to daddy.
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Have you ever met the Lord Christian Bale?
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Made from the nectar of Nigella's melons?
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The words is, he steals the show as Bones.
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but I'm definitely going to see this on opening day. I like a good space sci-fi movie.
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Well that's what I heard.
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Do I hate being right all the time!
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...how do you explain the belly flop of AUSTRALIA? Nah, it will all come down to word of mouth. If it's good for either movie---START TREK or WOLVERINE--- it'll rake in money week after week, regardless of reviews (See: TAKEN). And, frightfully for the studios, word of mouth is not something that can usually be manufactured artificially.
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**Actual size** http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1949977.html
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It can happen to even the most diehard Star Wars fan:
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Bob Orci...Bob Orci...Bob Orci... So...there you are...smugly and fresh from your Geek molestation in Texas. Gotta hand it too you...you know how to give good geek head...trot out a living Geek legend and the good reviews will flow like Tears outta Harry.I'm willing to keep an open mind on Trek Bob...maybe you did find some tiny spark of artistry in that script punch heart of yours...but you have alot to prove here buddy..especially after seeing a CRYING FUCKING ROBOT...what the FUCK were you thinking there Bob!?!?
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Gorn,gorn, gorn. They were an interesting yet mostly unexplored species only appearing once in the original series, and their unusual reptilian appearance compounded with modern special-effects would most certainly get butts in seats.
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I want Tholians, and I want them bad.
You hear me Orci, huh? I want a Tholian armada and I want a big old giant Tholian web covering the Alpha Quadrant.
On a different note: I tell this to my little sister all the time(who is young and sooooo worried about liking what everyone else likes) Disliking something just because everyone else likes it, you're still living as a reaction to other people. Just think for yourself and don't worry about what others like or don't like.
Jesus, do i have to be everyone's big brother (and I'm not talking about the fictional political party) -
It's better than The Last Crusade. Seriously. Now what, bitches? I said it. Now what?
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so they'll have incentive to update the ST Experience in Las Vegas... BEYOND just moving it to its new location.
*sigh* I miss going to Quark's Bar while having a night on the town. -
I don't care what else the UK review says. The fact he said that at all. Tells me that perhaps the film is not as amazing as everyone says, I'm just tired of being letdown.
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I enjoyed it for what it was, that's all there is to say, those that nitpick it and say its the worst thing ever, get a life. Harrison Ford is old now and the fact that at that age he can still be that cool, is enough for me. I can understand if Harrison Ford was young. Expectations would have been high for me, but I went in with a ho hum attitude and it paid off. I liked the movie, even with its faults. It's nice that we even got a new Indy film. I accept it and i move on.
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Apr 23, 2009 3:11:04 PM CDT
potter will probably be the higest grossing movie of the summer
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
if yates doesnt fucking shit all over it anyway. i see a big huge drop in its second weekend if he cuts out SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO CARE *dumbledores funeral*.
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are my three favorite Indy's. TOD is just so damn boring.
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Apr 23, 2009 3:16:12 PM CDT
*highest* and i cant believe all this crystal skull love
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
to each his own i guess. but jesus did i hate that movie.
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Apr 23, 2009 3:18:36 PM CDT
Miyamoto_Musashi-yes i know late response
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
i didnt know you meant global sorry. i like potc 2 though. just a enjoyable movie all around. 3 was complete ass from start to finish though god damn it was as bad as spiderman 3
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Apr 23, 2009 3:25:27 PM CDT
200 million dollar opening weekend lol
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
not unless tickets go up another 50 dollars
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The mine car chase too slow for ya? Who is this? Merrick's son?
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And it had nothing to do with Ford, his age, or even Shita Leboof.The problem was Lucas, with his horrid writing and ideas; and Speilberg just not giving a flying fuck and adding his own bucket of shit to the story.What you had with Indy 4 were two icons of Hollywood who got bored and decided..."ehhhh, lets toss one off "for the fans" since we have nothing else better to do right now". It was lazy filmaking by a bunch of guys who just don't care anymore. But if you liked it..well good for you...I wish I were so easily entertained.
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So the new Supreme Court of Star Trek wants the next Star Trek movie to be informed by the fans?
Assuming that isn't total bullshit (which we all know it is) how's this for an idea? Come up with a creative way to have a big, important adventure that lets your alternate Trek universe interact with the original Trek universe.
Of course your excuse that "The audience would be too confused," is already ringing in my ears. But that won't stop me from suggesting such a cool idea to you. Pity that you and the Paramount suits with their MBAs don't understand. -
You aren't the only one who feels the way you do. It would be one thing if people began to appreciate things for the same reason you do, but that's not the case here for Star Trek.
The audience is getting a safe, dumbed down, hilarious CGI explosion that is indistinguishable from every other safe, dumbed down, hilarious CGI explosion.
Just remember that the people who hated Star Trek before will still hate Star Trek now. It's just THIS MOVIE that they'll have a hard-on for. You'll never catch them watching the old stuff...just the big, expensive, shiny, übersexy JJ stuff. -
Anyone who hates Star Trek isn't going to see a movie called "Star Trek."
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As it looks highly likely every fanboy will loathe the X-Men film.
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BORG!
They could have been attracted by Nero's ship, the Narada, and have come to investigate, meaning we get Borg a hell of a lot earlier then in the old time-stream.
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I'd have liked some DS9 movies and a 25th century series set on a colony in a recently discovered area of space, (the galactic boundary, if you will), but I guess that particular starship has launched, cracked up and exploded.
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the car jumps tracks and lands on the other side? And people complain about the fridge?
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I'm with you on the Klingon Battle Cruisers scene! Great models, photography and a KICKASS score.
IndyCollector, Skull better than Crusade? You need to put the CRACK PIPE down dude. REALLY!!! -
I like how Goldsmith created that great theme for a small scene. Most composers wouldn't have bothered.
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was among his best. Although he didn't excel at transitioning from scene to scene through music the way Williams helped propel the SW trilogy, Goldsmith's ST themes really elevate the franchise.
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It's not about being easily entertained. I obviously don't care as much as you or don't take it as personal as you have. I don't think Indy 4 effects the character in any way. It's just a case of me being ok with it and you not liking it and two directors pissing you off.
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"Forget it, Orionangels, it's Chinatown!"
I love Skull as well!
southafricanguy, I'm talking mostly Europe and Australia/New Zealand, they love Trek, I'm surprised Asia hasn't flipped for it. I'm sad to hear they haven't heard of a 40 plus year old sci-fi property. I wish I could say the same about Dr. Who....anything to forget that shitbreak. -
And for the last time, Lucas did not write Skull! Do some research for a change.
kwisatzhaderach Apr 23rd, 2009
03:23:21 AM
about Crystal Skull - Lucas raped my childhood, Lucas can't write, Spielberg has lost it, it got terrible reviews, waaah waaah, waaah. Well, Lucas didn't write it, he just came up with the story idea. The (admittedly weak) screenplay was by David Koepp. And it actually got really good reviews from most people. And was the second highest grossing film of the year worldwide behind The Dark Knight. I love how fanboys take their delusional notions of how they felt about the film and try to turn it into some kind of universal truth.
This last sentence especially speaks volumes about the posters on this site and also Chud.com- the kryptonite of joy.
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The Klingon battle cruisers scene portrayed space with size and scope. The new movie probably won't capture that largeness. Everything is getting too small, too inside, too much like a coffee shop.
http://tinyurl.com/5wnp8t
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Overall, I really enjoyed KOTCS. IMHO, it is better than Crusade. All the Indy films are goofy to a certain degree. They are based on serials after all. Yes, Marion is underutilized. Yes, there are too many supporting characters. Yes, the rubber tree and Tarzan-Shia are bit much. However, the three action set-pieces are terrific. I think Cate makes a good villain. I think Shia is very good as the son and Harrison was as good as ever. I never understood the problem with the alien theme. I think it fits perfectly. Both Raiders and Crusade have anti-climactic endings. All in all, I thought it was an improvement over Crusade which, except for Connery, felt like a repeat of Raiders.
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from crashing and burning. The movie opens up great. Better than Doom did. I love everything until that stupid scene at the Russian camp, then it gets batter after that.
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I never had a problem with the alien theme, actually quite liked it, as well as the 1950s setting and the ruskies as the bad guys. For me it just went too goofy several times, like jump the shark too goofy...
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we may have misunderstood each other. But dont worry about trek being so unknown in Asia, its probably a good thing...no preconceived ideas (i.e the dork stigma trek has). Also, Trek is being heavily promoted and advertised here in Korea. My Korean girlfriend is really interested in seeing it based on the trailer she has seen. Cant wait to introduce her to Trek:) I think Trek could become popular in Asia thanks to the ground work this new movie is about to lay...
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is indeed awsome. klingons, great model work, even better score...
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you were nt having a go at me. Thanks for the info. I have nt watched the indy 4 material. So a lot of the dumb ideas were spielbergs?! Really?! Geez...
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...absolutely dude, I was thinking the exact same thing given that the Nerada has Borg tech. Have always wanted to see the TOS crew vs the Borg...
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the klingons and romulans...
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time line to make it possible for a rematch with....Khan! How fucking cool would that be? Im thinking maybe Benicio Del Toro for Khan....What do you guys think? What would any of you like to see in future sequals now that the timeline has been altered?
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Whilst I don't mind a battle against a "big bad" like Khan, or Klingons or some Alien race. Am keen to see some internal squabling, like to see the Federation when it turns on itself i.e. in DS9 final season (I think), when there were changelings in the Federation, then we got the McCarthy undertones.
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but just cant get into it or see its appeal. Iys endurance is a mystery to me...
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...who rules a vast empire where the Borg are his subjects (along with the Klingons) and the Borg queen is part of his harem.Might as well add a Klingon queen to his harem for good measure.
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Javier Bardem would actually be even better. I bow to your superior casting skill. Not sure about the rest though...
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launch are the only good scenes of that shitty movie.
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Apr 24, 2009 7:17:24 AM CDT
I Told You That There Is A Studio Backed Hate Campaign...
by media messiah
...against Shatner. Now, the actor playing young Kirk in the new Trek film has just officially apologized to Shatner, basically saying that he is just an actor and has nothing to do with it, the being the studio attacking Shatner at every turn. For his part, Shatner accepted his apology in the spirit it was meant.
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Apr 24, 2009 7:18:45 AM CDT
Amended: I Told You That There Is A Studio Backed Hate Campaign.
by media messiah
...against Shatner. Now, the actor playing young Kirk in the new Trek film has just officially apologized to Shatner, basically saying that he is just an actor and has nothing to do with it, that being the studio attacking Shatner at every turn. For his part, Shatner accepted his apology in the spirit it was meant.
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Regarding Khan having the Borg queen in his harem, I just thought it would be interesting to make him like old Khans like Ghengis and others who had multiple wives.
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until I've seen the pirated workprint.
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The Borg were a great nemesis. Did anyone watch "Enterprise"?
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(great premise BTW, with the Nerada attracting the Borg's attention from across the galaxy)...
If they bring back the Borg, I'd want more of the Borg we saw in "Q WHo" and "Best of Both Worlds." The subsequent Borg episodes took the mystery away. The Borg should have been treated like the galactic boogie men. The Borg should be the thing kids taunt other children about on the playground. The Borg should be something that swoops in, fucks a lot of shit up in the most nightmarish ways possible, then swoops out before Starfleet can help the hapless colony. The Borg should virtually be a relentless part of nature. "Resistance is Futile" is a phrase that the characters on screen and the audience in the theater actually believes. "Shit, resistance really is futile isn't it? Damn!"
I also like the idea of revisiting Khan and Space Seed. Javier Bardem would be an insanely perfect choice to play Khan. It could be a mashup of ideas from Space Seed and Wrath of Khan, where instead of Khan taking over the Reliant, he takes over the Enterprise instead, perhaps forcing Kirk to have to blow up his beloved ship in order to stop the madman from killing millions of people. -
Mark my words!You can engineer a big opening with PR and spin much like Fox are doing with Wolverine. And you can rake it in with early buzz and word of mouth if the film is any good.But to truly have a hit you need both, and that's what we have here.This film has come along at the right time and place. It has pop culture written all over it. Even the built in fan base is guaranteed to a least make its money back.X-men has nowhere near the potential inherent in Trek. Transformers was lucky first time round, but after the big robots hitting each other there's nothing left to see but Bay's bumhole, which is just not that anticipated beyond the moron crowd.Then there's Terminator. If it's any good it will be huge maybe bigger than Trek. The question mark is McG. Do you think he's pulled it off? Whichever way you read into that only time will tell.Not forgetting there's another little addition to the Harry Fucker series to cream the box office, this summer has alot of potential, but you would be stupid not to put your faith in the Trek.
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