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Wow... My brain just went berzerker over this Teaser spot for WOLVERINE
Hey folks, Harry here - and what I'm writing here has a bit to do with anger management. I'm friendly with one of the producers on WOLVERINE - but I just saw something that literally pissed me off at a level I wasn't aware this new WOLVERINE film could manage.
You see, I know that they've played around with Wolverine's origins... but so has everybody. To me Wolverine's origin isn't sacred stuff. The whole Weapons X thing never really thrilled me. And I've never been a particular fan of Gambit or Deadpool - both of whom I've heard fans of getting angry about this film. Like I said, they're not characters that I particularly care about.
But when I went over to Yahoo Movies' Wolverine page to look at a series of new Character TV Spots, my eyes were drawn to the one that said EMMA FROST.
As the spot played, I found myself confused. The girl calling herself Emma Frost was blonde like Emma Frost - but in the footage her mutant power seems to be the ability to suddenly look like a human disco ball.
I blinked at the spot, downloaded it in 720p and watched it again. Yup, EMMA FROST. The Human Disco Ball. Now, I'm going to assume that they're having her turn into diamonds or something equally shiny.
I thought about it. Am I thinking wrong? I thought Emma Frost was a very powerful psychic/telepath/empath that had a fairly sadistic, kinky and manipulative streak a mile long. I think Emma Frost was known as the White Queen and was one of the leaders of the Hellfire Club, a kind of mutant SKULL & BONES society at a rival institution to Xavier's School. But I must have the name wrong. Because I'm relatively sure that surely the people making these movies give perhaps even the vaguest of shits about the material. Surely they Wikipedia'd the character name - read that she was an telepath like Xavier and thought - We can't have another telepath, but let's make her a goddamn human fucking DISCO BALL!
I fucking hate FOX for shit like this. EMMA FROST is one of the greatest characters alongside Sebastian Shaw. If the writers, producers, studio cared even a fucking ounce about the characters and the material they would know how fucking stupid turning Emma Frost into the Human Fucking Disco Ball would be. I HATE THIS SHIT!
My only hope is that she is never called EMMA FROST in the movie - and that her character has less than 3 minutes on camera - so that the damage will be minimal. No matter what - the fucking TV spot will probably do its damage to our fair White Queen.
Do you think Kevin Feige and the team of folks behind MARVEL films - laugh or cry over the ineptitude that is constantly exhibited by the spaz squad at FOX?
Ok - so I just read that apparently at some point in some iteration of the X-MEN - that EMMA FROST developed Diamond skin... Which wasn't the case in the far superior Claremont days of the character - so technically they're not to blame for inventing her DISCO BALL BULLSHIT - but god damn - it is cheesy looking and ridiculous looking. And at the very least is fucked up continuity. Which, of course, they don't give a shit about.
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Apr 21, 2009 5:26:27 AM CDT
I'm no expert, but i 'm fairly sure in either the whedon or morr
by notspock2
I think i am supposed to call you a name here Harry, but i have too much respect for you.
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She was tough, I'll tell ya
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Ya big fuckin baby!
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So if you go and read Grant Morrison's run on X-Men(GREAT stuff by the way), Emma has a secondary mutation that allows her to turn herself into a living diamond. It's not a big focus or anything, but it IS a power of hers in the comics. Oh yeah, and first. :)
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in some of the later comics
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what i meant to put in the title there was- I'm no expert, but i 'm fairly sure in either the whedon or morrison runs on the comics that she has that power.
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Turning into diamond is Frost's secondary mutation, which helped her survive the destruction of Genosha - it was a pretty major part of Morrison's X-Men run and subsequently featured in Whedon's Astonishing X-Men run where it was explained to be induced by Xaviers' sister.
Blame Fox all you want, but if you'd read the comics at all in the last several years, you wouldn't appear quite so misinformed. -
that in addition to being a telepath, emma frost can turn her skin into a nearly invulnerable diamond form, yes? and i thought you were head geek. pfft.
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so whose inepititude are we talking about here?
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Maybe you should google or wiki this stuff before posting it. Emma Frost has been able to turn into diamond for over 10 years now. That's a decade. A full fifth of the X-Mens total history.
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you need to read some comics that were released after 1975. there ARE good xmen stories out there. and emma's diamond power is a lot more interesting than you give it credit for. but what am i thinking? you actually liked fantastic four 2 and spiderman 3.
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didn't realize that they decided to modify the character in the book to make her Diamond girl. At the very least in a prequel set 10-15 years prior to Wolverine joining the X-men she wouldn't have Diamond Skin yet.
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I'm sorry but it is.
Even the ads in the UK and the footage shown on Jonathan Ross last week looked scrappy and unfinished, and nothing in the ads makes me think the workprint is different in any way from the cinema release.
I wish Marvel had the power to get all their movie rights back from Fox and Sony. -
Many people have pointed out these flaws in the workprint, the released film will be the same crap. Emma Frost does not look like some skinny average looking teen, she is supposed to be drop dead beautiful like Charlize Theron.
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I think we've all learned something today...
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are the last thing this flick needs to worry about.
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windows XP was way better
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You of all people should know that the movies are seperate and distinct from the comics. And yet this point happened to be in line with the comics.
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Yeah, I go kneejerk sometimes. I'm a hardcore Chris Claremont X-MEN geek. I stopped reading X-MEN around the time that Wolverine was crucified on that X on whichever issue that was.
Yes, I realized about 2 minutes after I posted this that Emma Frost had apparently been given Diamond Skin as an additional power which I find incredibly annoying sounding - and even worse - it makes the character look like a disco version of a Twilight Vampire.
The thing is - my personal favorite run of X-MEN comics runs from GIANT SIZE X-MEN 1 through the end of the Phoenix saga. Claremont's run is the best X-MEN run that I've read. I'm open to suggestions for better stories to read, as apparently I've missed amazing shit like the White Queen getting diamond plated. -
If you're friendly with the Producer - why didn't you ask them about it? Seems to me that would have been a goldmine of info right there.
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Harold's Flames on Optimus moment.
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"journalists," even "online" ones, sometimes do "research" before they spout they fool mouths off.
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If this was the first sign Harry had of how bad Wolverine was gonna be...i just feel plain sad for the dude.
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Apr 21, 2009 6:04:04 AM CDT
95% of the people who will see this flick...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
won't give two shits. Like me, they won't know who Emma Frost is and that she's different from the funny books. It won't matter. Every single bullshit detail doesn't need to be obsessed over. Most X-Men geeks have already chosen to hate this flick. So shut the fuck up about it. For fucks sake, don't make Emma Frost as a Human Disco Ball this years Flames on Optimus geek obsession.
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Could he have watched that abortion online aready? Could he be a pissed off/pissed on as every other Fanboy about that shitball called "Origins".
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Fall of the Mutants was a pretty good storyline Harry. It spread across Uncanny X-Men, X-Factor, and The New Mutants. The stories weren't intertwined, but they did change the status quo for each title.
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why not start with Morrison's New X-Men run? Like most of his stuff, it veers between out-and-out brilliance and occasionally bizarre retcons (cough*Xorn*cough) but it is for the most part incredibly compelling.
It also sets up Whedon's Astonishing X-Men run which is genius the whole way through.
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is obviously unkown to the people behind this movie. It would be easier, and possibly more cost effective, to go to the doors of each fan of comic books, and X-Men in particular, and just assault each of them to save them the brutality of witnessing the characterization of their childhood heroes unceremoniously gang raped on the silver screen.
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I read a lot of that, but I think I missed a few issues here and there. Did it get bound as a trade paperback?
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WHAAAAAAAAAAA.........NO! NO! SHUT THE FUCK UP HARRY! Is that all you can do? Bash Fox? You fucking ignorant childish wing nuts. FOX the movie company is NOT connected to the Fox News Channel! Why don't you *Wiki* it up and see for your own self! Fucking Amature! You and me, man, WE ARE DONE PROFESSIONALLY!
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...you goof. Harry, you are clearly less informed on here then you are on the High Def disc wars. And before you dismiss the change so nonchalontly since it's not as you remember, you arrogant pud, you should actually read Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly's "E is for Extinction" trade paperback that came out about 8 years back. It's on par with any and everything Claremont and company did back in the day. (And I don't say that lightly.) I love this site, but absolutely HATE when you open your yap about something you know nothing about.
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OMG, they gave Emma Frost mutant powers that she HAS in the comics? What amazing fucking sacrilege is this?
Kind of funny that you say "Surely they Wikipedia'd the character name" when you obviously didn't to check if the character had changed before posting this abortion of a nerd bitchfest. "ZOMG THEY DID SOMETHING NEW AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT! THEY MUST BE WRONG!" -
And that's what REALLY matters.
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Let's get rid of all this shit and just make a decent movie of 'Executioner's Song' or something with Apocalypse in it. I don't want to see another fucking origin story. EVER!!
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Harry, I know it's the Internet and all, but you admit yourself you've never read Morrison's (or any subequent) run.
Still, the day Harry went apoplectic and blamed the filmmakers for turning Emma Frost into a diamond will go down in AICN history. -
Cause Harry don't know shit about Emma Frost and her mutant powers...Harry kill the thread cause you cleary fucked that one up!!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Frost
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Old school X-men geek....yea....Clever way to misguide us into making us believe he somehow avoided the chance to see the unfinished workprint. No way Harry wouldn't fact check his rant unless there was another motive. Misdirection.
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alot of other stuff are messed with in the XMEN movies... there is no reason to get pissed at FOX now... just move on people... nothing to see due to FOX not keeping the faith...
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Gambit uses a staff and throws energy blasting cards!!!!! I heard Spock was a Vulcan is Star Trek is this true?????
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I am from the future, I wear shoulder pads, I am a Clint Eastwood rip off, I have a arsenel of OVERSIZE WEAPONS...get fucked. X-men is dead to me.
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... must sure be red. I hope when the Green Lantern movie comes out he doesn't complain that they've replaced Alan Scott with some studio created punk named Hal Jordan. I jest of course. We still love ya Harry.
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... of having Cyclops in this film if they killed him in such a gay way later on. It's not like we can see the origin of how he became a badass leader, as in the X-Men trilogy of films he never is a badass leader. The screenwriters were too busy felating Wolverine.
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"What a colossal bungle!" And way to reveal your hate card early. The bias on this site is naked and incredible. Hey, don't F with X-Men continuity, especially if you are a studio I don't agree with who doesn't wipe, kiss, powder and clad my geek ass in studio-branded movie gear throughout the year. But, uh, if you come to Austin and show me "Star Trek" early, I have no problem with you F-ing with continuity and changing the rules, tone and flow of a franchise. There is a great time-travel explanation! Ugh. Harry, my good man. I would have had more respect for you if you published another "Observe and Report" review or cast and crew interview.
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an under used word.
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"My mistake, just checked wikipedia, John Conner does actually lead the resistance"
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is incredibly Eh. She has nega-titties and is cute. Emma Frost is supposed to look like voluptuous and sultry, not like she is late for her after school job at The Gap.
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Of all the reported offenses this bullshit-smelling flick has commited to the material, THIS is what sets you off ? The one GRANT FRICKING MORRISON came up with ?!?And that bit with you ' being friendly with one of the producers '. Haha. Says it all, right there.
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and care about the Claremont 80's X-Men and don't give a shit about Deadpool, Gambit or Disco Ball Emma Frost? I'm on it.
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READ IT. NOW. That is all.
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Re: Cable. Warren Ellis's Nextwave said it best: "Techno-organic prolapse imminent! To me, my X-bait!" :D
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Any word if First Class is supposed to be a restart to this whole mess or is it just going to go further down the toilet?
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Grow the fuck up.
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For a character that has a whooping 30 seconds of screentime.
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Don't act so surprised. My only complaint was not enough Deadpool/Ryan Reynolds.
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Way to go, getting all huffy and puffy and ready to write a scathing attack on Fox for "fucking up" Emma Frost (right after you pretty much discard the criticisms Deadpool and Gambit fans have with the film) without doing ANY research WHATSOEVER to back up your point. Sheesh.
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For the people bitching about non-sexy Emma, please read the 18 issue long "Emma Frost" series, detailing Emma's life as a fairly plain-looking teenager, and how she grew up and developed the personality of the bitchy Emma we know and love. No, I'm not kidding. This came out in 2003-2004. So again, this is stuff from the comics. It may not be the stuff you remember, but you can't fault the filmmakers for not having read the source material. They did. You didn't.
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He wants him to dance to his tune and then
Wolverine : "put on a dress and fuck me ?"
"I was going to say : kill you"
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Never mind Emma Frost, didn't anyone notice that Wolvie's not sporting his signature swept-back Bozo hairdo? They're implying that that haircut is a style choice instead of just the way his hair grows.
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where do i rip this movie...anyone?
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that was war worse a movie than this will be
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Emma Frost wiping her ass with Victoria's Secret catalogs isn't hot. Think about what you're saying.
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Then I guess you're all about Cyclops, Beast, Marvel Girl and Angel and who the FUCK is this Wolverine guy they keep focusing on ... Comics change, all the time, for better or worse. Don't be a stick in the mud. "The era I read was the best because - because - it was the era I read!"Oh and Chris Claremont has gotta be the most overrated comic book writer ever. Terrible dialogue.
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This was on the NATIONAL NEWS in Denmark recently
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfowars%2Ecom%2Fdanish%2Dscientist%2Don%2Dtv%2Dnano%2Dthermite%2Dbehind%2Dcollapse%2Dof%2Dwtc%2Dbuildings%2Don%2D911%2Dnot%2Dplanes%2F&feature=player_embedded
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When you put it like that...
it is even hotter than first concieved. I have thought about it, and I think that could be noted as a new fetish. -
When you put it like that...
it is even hotter than first concieved. I have thought about it, and I think that could be noted as a new fetish. -
i thought it was just some other mutant with the same power. so cyclops met logan before but didnt recognize him in the x-men movie? yes many years went by but seeing his abilities and powers shoulda rung a bell no? of course that first movie also made no illusion to the fact logan and sabretooth knew each other but yeah.
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don't get too worked up, they pretty much rape the franchise on this one.
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Advising the filmmakers to look up stuff on Wikipedia kinda backfired, didn't it?
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Apr 21, 2009 7:09:47 AM CDT
Harry, you can stop pretending that you haven't already watched
by trazadone
I mean, come on. The spirit of this site is to get the "cool" news before anyone else. You're telling me that you haven't already watched this film several times? I'm not buying it for a second and your faux outrage over an insignificant plot point is just silly. What's the point of this site if you ignore the fact that all of us have already seen Wolverine - that was so 2 weeks ago.
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...or is absolutely none of the blame being put on Gavin Hood, the director? I mean, I know Fox are a bunch of bastards and have taken a lot away from Hood and made some terrible decisions throughout production, but he still does have SOME sort of control over what's going on right? When X3 came out, most of the blame was geared toward Brett Ratner, along with Fox, but here it seems to be all Fox hate. Just seems to me like some AICN bias towards "the great one who brought us Tsotsi!"
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"Yeah well, it still fucks up continuity! SO THERE! I'm NOT wrong! Fox still is! Nyaah nyaah!"
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Nobody cares
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What are comics now, $10 an issue? For like 10 pages?
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Apr 21, 2009 7:15:40 AM CDT
WAHHHHH! Look, X-Men is fucked. You're whipping a dead horse.
by dr sauch
X-Men was done from the start. They were all horrible failures, stamped with the Fox "We're out of touch millionaires and we just want your money but fuck art" logo. Lets just move on with your lives.
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introduced the concept of a second mutation for the mutants.in other words emma frosts primary mutant power is telepathy,but later she achieved a second mutation which gave her the ability to transform her body into a diamond-hard one.(similar like colossus).
the Beast's second mutation was that he turned into a cat-form look ,resembling the Kilrathi from the Wing Commander videogames.
i dont remember the secondary mutations of the other xmen,i stopped reading superhero mainstream comics for years now.they simply suck nowadays.
btw Morrisons run was superb,he gave a new refreshing air to the xmen saga and created a decent backstory for wolverines origin.
unfortunately Morrison destroyed everything good he built with his New XMEN series with the last arc (xorn turned out to be magneto).marvel tried to retcon in a degree his screwup,the later writers ignored or changed many of the new xmen established facts,and at the end the franchise turned to a crapfest,well for me to read at least. -
I've been an X-Men fan for about 25 years and the movies have very, very little to do with the comics. They basically took the names and some basic powers and ran with a whole new story. The Weapons X Program was Marvel's excuse to throw all the stupid things they could into Wolverine's origin....I imagine at one point he may be one of the people at the Last Supper. The fact that characters who were not part of the program (Blob, Emma Frost, Gambit) are being incorporated into the film to just add familiar names from the legend is just plain dumb. I don't plan on seeing this in the theater...the last 3 X-Men movies were so bad, I'll wait for this one on cable tv. The breaker for me was when they made Colossus an American and Angel a whinny kid who wants to cut off his wings...they obviously never read the books. I bet in the end of Wolverine, Galactus and the Silver Surfer will show up wanting to join Weapon X, and the Thing will grow wings and come in and save Wolverine....
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there was a mini series about Emma Frosts origin.it was pretty good and i believe the wolverine movie has done justice to her pre-WHITE QUEEN era.
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Personally, I thought that it was the worst X-Men stories ever. Making Beast a cat and all this crappy second-mutation stuff was just bad writing. When a writer is so bad he can't work with the characters he's given, he makes up new stuff (see Ang Lee's Hulk movie.) Morrison obviously didn't know much about the X-Men before writing them (he probably watched a few episodes of the cartoon to familiarize himself with them.) I personally was very glad to see him leave the book. I really enjoyed Josh Whedon's run on X-Men, because he brought back a lot of what was cool in the Clairmont run. Bringing Colossus back was one of the smarter things they've done in the book in a long time.
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God knows we talkbackers are all about the kneejerk reactions, with the emphasis on the jerk part.
I just thought it was such a bizarre thing to get worked up over, since we all know the movies aren't the comics. Rogue isn't a teenage girl with a crush on Wolverine. Sabretooth isn't Logan's brother. Et cet era. -
to anyone who has seen the workprint, does Deadpool ever wear anything resembling the costume or do we just get a beardless Hannibal King all over again?
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as each X-men film thats been released since X2 just makes it look better.
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comics dont do justice to these iconic characters and their past.
yesterday i learned that spidy releaved his secret identity for the second time !!!
i knew that he releaved it just before the civil war crossover event,but i wasnt expecting that they will retcon this and again will make him reveale it,all these in issues of one year.
at least in DC the changes are more permanent,the infinity crisis happenened after 20 years since the crisis of infinite earths,and Oracle is still paraplegic. -
What about the fact that she is only in the movie for about 30 Seconds...so everything you see in the trailer is her in the movie
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if harry had just been the bigger man & admitted he totally dropped the ball in nearly every sentence he wrote. but rather than say i fucked up, i was wrong - he digs in with some 'continuity' bullshit & the crack about older issues being superior.
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they will use cgi for deadpools suit.thats why raynolds doesnt wear a shirt and has these marks.the marks are there to help the cgi crew to put the sfx on him and on the scene.
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...he came up with this, probably back a the tail end of his "drug-addled mystic" period. I hated it too, but it's Grant Morrison, so I gave him a pass on it.
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But holy shit is that woman hot... who the hell is she and has she gotten naked in any movie I can rent?
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Damn You Michael Bay
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is not convincing in and of itself.
We'll just have to see what the reaction (or lack of reaction) is, from those in power. That is usually the more telling part. After all, remember the BBC's reaction when they were caught editing the interview between David Frost and Benazir Bhutto? -
Now which to watch the trailer or the downloadable leaked movie.
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if u havent already,its very funny:
http://tinyurl.com/dnghcx
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second mutation concept because he wanted Colossus in his New Xmen series.but unfortunately colossus was dead in the marvel universe at that time,so he decided to give colossus-like powers to emma frost.
personally i think it would have been better to just ressurect colossus.its not that it hasnt been done again in marvel comics (jean grey goux goux aka goux phoenix) -
Whedon brought him back in Astonishing X-Men.
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In the version I saw, Emma Frost is Silver fox’s Sister!!! Turns out Silver fox is working for Striker all along (shock!!) to bang Wolvie, get killed (but not really) to make him accept Strikers deal to get revenge on Victor.
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More to the point, why in hell is Cyke in there? And why does he appear to be running around with Emma Frost rather than Jean Gray? Yeah, they are giving her powers she has in the comics, but that's not the point. The point is they're doing their damndest to ensure we won't get the best stories we can possibly get. But hey, if you want dreck for your 10 or 12 bucks then by all means, clap these decisions.
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Surprisingly enough the best thing about it is Schrieber as Sabretooth and his dynamic with Wolverine. Its the only thing they got right.
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Seriously, somehow I managed to miss where it was Emma and came to the conclusion it was Movie!Dazzler, and adaptation finally managed to improve a character. Oh well.
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The only PROBLEM I have with this article is Harry sounds upset. You should have been upset YEARS ago when this abortion train left the station. They have done NOTHING for the X-men with these movies, nothing is even close to the way the characters met and the team was formed in the books. I'm I'm talking about true origin that started in the 60's. I'm not upset they changed things around, but the entire x-men legacy has been so raped and convoluted it's probably tough for most young readers today to even remember what really happened first. Don't get me wrong, I started buying x-men books in the late 70's but these movies just plain fucking suck. The fact that you are suprised now is the REAL suprise. You should have started hating these movies years ago. Looking at what they did with the first Iron Man and Spiderman movies (in regards to how well they preserved the origin stories while still keeping things interesting to a current audience) it's just tough to swallow how bad they fucked up what should have been a slow pitch softball. Oh well, we can always hope for the reboot, lol.
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but we are talking about the period when morrison was writing his xmen series.that was before whedons AXM.
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Did anyone see the Wolverine ad being run on Nickelodeon where Blob belly-bumps Wolvie, complete with comical "Bwoomp!" sound? I'm guessing the sound won't be in the film, but was added to the commercial in desperate hopes they can get children that like fart noises and people falling on their booty to buy a ticket.
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Will they have the rights to everything x-men as long as they keep churning out crap like this every few years? Same with FF? I want Marvel to have them back! Please?
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is yet again another major fuck up from Hollywood. I'm laughing my ass off that the work print was leaked, you make shitty movies and you deserve it you dumb fucks.
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Do you really give a shit about this? Its going to be sunny and in the upper 80's where you live today, Harry... Go outside, get some exercise, and get over the small details of a summer adventure film which will not affect your life going forward in the slightest.
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whoever says the opposite well he is wrong.
the problem with adapting xmen or justice league or avengers,is the large number of characters.
in the comics you have hundreds of issues,detailing their characters and lives,but in a movie u have only 2 hours to do that which ofc is not enough.u dont know from where to start and where to finish.
i believe singer did a good job with the xmen comic franchise.it could have been better but his versions are not at all the crapfest some of you say they are.
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However, I completely understand Harry's frustration, being the huge fan that he is. Despite early negative word, my wife and I will likely be seeing this,...unless a flood of negative press hits the fan, so-to-speak.
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You're kidding right? So listen, I loved the X-men movies and I know people are still crying that Singer left, but c'mon people. In comparison to the comics, there are tons of things Singer got "wrong". Aside from her powers, Rogue was Kitty Pride. Storm was all wrong. Toad was wrong. Sabretooth was wrong. Mystique wrong, Cyclops kind of a pussy, Magneto an old (gay?, Bi?) guy, Phoenix continuity all screwed up, etc, etc.
Look, the movie may suck, I don't know. But most of the comic book movies we love are totally fucked up in terms of continuity, and sometimes even the main characters are out of character. Batman wouldn't have blown up a chemical plant with people inside and Clark Kent would never have gone back in that bar and beat up the bully. -
It is.
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He then jumps the shark in the form of a helicopter.
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...you think this is going to be bad, what about the mooted X Men: First Class film, with a young Cyke, Jean, Beast et al. X Men 90210- good looking teen non screen entities, a cool soundtrack, loads of effects and people flying through the air. Modern day teen friendly blockbuster- just add water.
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When I think of Emma Frost I think White garter belts and psychic powers not disco balls. That's dazzler.
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Like most here, it seems. What bothers me right now is that there still isn't an authoritative review - in the sense of someone legitimately seeing the finished product. (At least I don't think there is. Someone post a link if there are any reviews.) And I feel like the title of the movie tells me that it's about one thing, but the posters, trailers, etc are telling another story. I look at the poster, with those half a dozen or so characters and think, "Who or what the heck is this thing really about?"
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"whoever says the opposite well he is wrong" ??? Really? lol My main point was the series as a whole has been so convoluted it's tough for anyone to remember how it all started. I'm not going to say you are "Wrong" because you have your opinion. To do that would make me sound like an ass, but "I" think they could have done a much better job maping out these characters in the movies. It's pretty obvious if you take even Sabretooth, how bad they are just running back and forth over themselves because they never really planned out what they were doing. Really it's just a mess and could have been done much better. When I saw X2 I had some hope they would move in the right direction but the entire series is just a joke. So many stories out there that could have been adapted and it's just a shame this pile of shit trilogy with the wolverine shit cherry is the best they could do. Back to Iron Man and the Avengers...
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Clark would have gone to that bar again,and would have kicked the bullys butt.
and he would have done this not because of his harmed pride and ego,but because the bully was bullying the owner and the other customers.
Just like GENERAL ZOD was a bully who was terrorizing the entire planet,in that way, the bully of the bar was terrorizing that small place.
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....that Emma Frost spot didn't look any more retarded than every other spot for this turd....
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A bloody mess like Watchmen, rated R that only die hards will see???
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1] She simply doesn't belong in the movie (and from what I've heard/seen/read, thankfully she's only in it at the end (but even then, why have a whole character promo about her?!). 2] Her secondary mutation of the diamond hard skin is treated HORRIBLY in this movie! her whole body should be like one huge diamond, but instead, they went bugnuts with a fucking BEDAZZLER and plastered a bunch of different sized diamonds on her body!? LAME! 3] Emma Frost and Silver Fox as sisters?! wrong, just...WRONG.
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That's all.
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the first 2 xmen were good MOVIES.
were they good adaptations?.
well to each to his own.
personally i believe that yes they were good adaptations, concernig the huge ammount of material the creators had to work on.
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see, the thing about this is that it's not the diamond skin, secondary mutation thing that is troublesome. It's that Emma Frost is in this at all. If you're going to shoehorn her into an origin film, she should be in the Magneto film. Frost worked best as a rival/mirror to Xavier - she's a telepath who leads students like him, but she gets them all killed. That's a great story. She also works great as a challenging lover for Cyclops (a much better relationship partner for Scott than Jean ever was. Sorry, Silver Age fans!). If they had done the story right, they wouldn't have killed off Cyclops, and X-Men 4 would have been her trying to take Jean's place.
She's just unnecessary and out of place for a Wolverine film and it smacks of the whole Fox 'insert random mutants here' mentality. Emma Frost makes no sense as a Weapon X prisoner. Her origin as a rich, daddy's girl who struggles to gain power and control over her family from her sister makes much more sense for her character. Anyone remember that solo origin series with the ridiculously hot Horn covers?
If you absolutely had to squeeze in another character, Storm would have been a better choice. Although she too was not involved in Weapon X in the comics, at least that origin would fit in with Storm's development through hardship and adversity. Which is the OPPOSITE of Frost's origin. -
"Superman in the comics I remember could leap tall buildings in a single bound because Krypton had heavier gravity than Earth, what is this bullshit the studios have invented with Superman FLYING?! What? They added that in the comics first? Well excuse me for not realising they changed Superman from how he was originally created."
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That's the way she's portrayed in the comics, and they could easily do it - just upgrade the look of Bobby/Iceman from X3.
the more I hear & see of this, other than the basic origin (young boy, claws appear when daddy gets killed), the more the comic-fan in me is cringing. I'm glad I'm not bothering w/ midnite showing; I'm burning my midnight babysitting-card w/ Star Trek & TF2:ROTF; both of which appear to be headed towards worth pissing off my parents & spending my hard-earned 2-job bucks. -
comic wasnt even r-rated.u could have keep its movie adaptation pg13 or whatever,and still retain the content of the original.
but that little ignorant,selfish,idiot snyder didnt even realise that.and he is supposed to be a huge fan of the comic.more like it he thought that he was filming another one 300 movie.fuckin cunt. -
who actually liked the movie, sure they should have had a hot as hell woman for emma and they fucked deadpool (which hopefully gets fixed cuz I thought he was cool at the begining) but overall I was entertained.
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Are you serious? You expect us to believe you got this from watching the trailer?
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...as you are a writer. Not only do you have NO knowledge of punctuation, but you clearly have no research skills either. I have to ask this: What even drew you to a writing career in the first place, if you don't know the first thing about how to be a journalist? You keep putting dashes in every sentence, but you NEVER do it correctly. You keep including information that is entirely irrelevant to what you're talking about. You keep posting inaccurate articles, like this one, and never bother to correct them when everyone points out what a crappy job you've done. You're an embarrassment to the writing field, Harry, and every time I see you refer to yourself as a journalist, I have to shake my head in annoyance. Journalists know how to write. Journalists know how to punctuate. Journalists know how to conduct research. Journalists know how to fact-check. And journalists know how to use a fucking dash.
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Hugh Jackman. Class act. No bullshit.
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Don't care about Wolverine's origins, Gambit, or Deadpool, but up in arms about Emma fucking Frost? And for something which doesn't diverge from the comics except for when she acquires the ability? And you call yourself an X-Men fan?
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The Chris Claremont run on Wolverine (issues #1-10) are excellent as well, before Hama fucked up the Silver Fox storyline.
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X-Men are my shit. I was of an age where the 90's cartoon drew me in, and since then I have read ever X-Book. The whole outcast thing was right up my alley (a little annoyed that it has taken on a metaphor for being gay since that is currently the most popular minority and Singer directed the first films) The first wo films were well made and entertaining, I'll admit, but asthetically it just never feels like they have captured X-Men on screen in a whole film. I've said before if you just cut together a compilation of all the genuine X-scenes of all four movies you would maybe have 45 minutes of an incredible X-Men movie. Nightcrawler's intro, Colossus's "Intro", Iceman freezing up, all of Patrick Stewart's scenes, ect ect. But two much was screwed from the get-go because it was the first big comic movie after the success of the Matrix and Blade, so it mimicked their asthetics, and was handled by "filmmakers" who obviously didn't know anything abou the source material. So we wound up with black leather, a Rogue that was too young to be as hot as she should (have you seen Anna Paquin now on Tru Blood "Whew") no accents for ANYBODY...and of course...Halle Berry. I've heard they are writing a sort of New X-Men movie that may include the younger characters without Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry ect ect, but after seeing X3 and the workprint of Wolverine, it's pretty obious these movies aren't getting any better. It would literally take a miracle stroke to fix the irreprrible damage to the franchise at this point, and by miracle stroke, I mean Joss Whedon. He's the only filmmaker I think I trust anymore to handle the X-Men with respect. It's just sad at this point that considering X-Men are what drew me into comics in the first place, I'm vastly more excited for what Marvel is attempting with the Avengers, which is one of the more ambitious things I've ever heard of in a film.
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Yes. You were the only person who actually enjoyed this movie. I'm guessing because everyone else is more intelligent than....a stupid mop?
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introduced in the Fleischer cartoons and not in the comics.
ofc its also well known what was his first ever origin/status,and what was the kryptonites origin.
its not bad that other media than comics,take liberties and introduces new ideas in iconic characters (i agree with raimis reasoning for the organic webshooters,i had the same problem since i started reading spiderman)which later pass in the comics.
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everything after that sucks.
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Apr 21, 2009 8:30:26 AM CDT
The real fuck up is that Emma and Silver Fox Are Sisters?
by kenjinattix
This movie...got donkey punched by Fox. If you don't know anything about the books you'll prolly like this movie. If you know anything about Deadpool, Gambit, Cyclops, Silver Fox, The Weapon X Program, Agent 0, White Queen, there is no possible way to like this film. Unless you just hate the X-Universe.
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is that it will tank like a champ and Marvel can buy back the rights for $50 and reboot the whole fucking franchise.
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It is also possible that this young disco ball is in her spare time an identity thief and is borrowing the real Emma's name.
Emma Frost will not make or break this movie. Finola Hughes did a fine character/power-accurate portrayal of the White Queen in the Fox original TV-film "Generation X" and it was a turd. Too bad, as the book was kinda fun. -
Guy puts all he can into a movie and Harry picks apart a minor character...Can someone please ask Harry if Spock is gonna save the fuckin cheerleader or not! Or does Sulu know if there is White Castle on the Enterprise???
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Read the Whedon Astonishing X-Men. Best run since Claremont (Morrison's last arc was a letdown, set in the future, but good until that point).
On a side note, this is basically a result of a central creative issue with comics - at least, the decades-long continuing stories with the same characters. That is, creators usually seem to feel the need to come in and put their unique stamp on a character - whether or not it makes sense. So while we can get great stories like the Death of Captain America, we also get weird stuff like Emma Frost having diamond form (not to mention the fact that she's at least kind-of-a-good-guy now). Pick any character which has been around long enough and you find - somewhere along the way - horrible costume changes, bad supporting cast additions, bad power changes (electric Superman, anyone?), stupid plotlines, etc.
I don't think we can fault Fox too much for using the existing power set for the character given that she's not exactly well known outside the comic community. A lot of audience members for this movie have probably never even read a comic book...sadly...given that the first X-Men movie came out 9 years ago now...you could be 20 years old and have seen 3 movies with Wolverine - and hence be pretty familiar with the character - but never read a comic book.. -
Apr 21, 2009 8:35:47 AM CDT
I thought Gambit was supposed to speak with a heavy Cajun accent
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but not this one. a much better casting choice would have been Trueblood's Michael Raymond James
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but hey use only one of Emma Frost's powers instead of two and you get mad? Shouldn't you, as a reviewer, be objective and critize all bad choises made, to EVERY character and not just the ones you love? I don't love Gambit and Deadpool either, but I think what they've done to Deadpool in that movie is a total mess anyway.
Now back to the topic, remember when the writers of X2 mentioned they wanted Sigourney Weaver to play Emma in X3? She was working with one of the writers in another proyect by that time. That would have been the perfect White Queen; milfy, intelligent, with presence, gravitas, beautiful, sexy and milfy. Of course all went to hell when Singer droped to make that movie where Superman is gay and wears a brown cape. -
according to the Latino's article in the link below,wolverine despite its leaked workprint,it has a very good chance to be a summer blockbuster hit:
http://tinyurl.com/d58vqa
well we will find out soon
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In the 70s, there was a commercial that aired that showed the Enterprise pulling up to a space station with a White-Castle sign. A male voice orders several hundred burgers.
I have no idea if this was only local Cincinnati market or was a national. It was in the good old days of few channels and very (very) local productions. -
...sit around arguing whether a character's power allows her to turn into a diamond or a disco-ball.....I've never been happier that I grew up a fantasy nerd.
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to be the White Queen?????
ZOMG!! perfect cast,just perfect cast,holy shit she would have owned the movie.
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and the writers are an hero
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Hit up some non-Geek forums and in the OT's (at least on the car/bike/surf MB's I frequent), people are very excited to see this flick. It's a huge character with non and geek "lites", people loved him (character and HJ) in the XMen flicks and it's got some great action pieces (a staple for a summer "popcorn" flick).
Personally I'm kind of ambivalent - I dug on X1 and [especially] X2, felt X3 was crap (and that the whole Phoenix thing was poorly handled), but I'm also sort of an old school Byrne/Claremont X-Men fan. I'll probably just wait for this on BD. -
Search your feelings...
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Apr 21, 2009 8:49:14 AM CDT
Seriously, this is probably going to be 15 seconds of film time
by rob0729
Does anyone really care that much? I am sure this movie will fuck with more of the X-Men continuum than this. It is a movie, they will take some licenses with the characters from the comic books. It is a fact of life.
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You fucked up!!! You fucked up!!! You fucked up!!! Seriously, Harry. You quit your X-Men reading around the time Inferno ended, but even I, who absolute loathe what has become of the X-Men could tell you that Frost can turn into a disco ball.
You totally discarded yourself as a geek.
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so I can understand freaking out about it being a major aspect in this, even if you had known.
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think for one fuckin second. the THE FUCK. ARE. YOU. DOING!? are you professional or not?
what the FUCK is it with you? what dont you fucking understand?! you got any fuckin idear about 'EMMA FROSTS POWERS?'
gimme a FUCKIN ANSWER!!! what dont you get about it!?! OOOOH!!!! GOOOOOOD FOR YOU!!! and how was it? i hope it was fucking good because its useless now isnt it? FUCK sake man youre amateur.
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Claremont was good for his day, but you really should check out Grant Morrison's New X-Men run.
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Yet ANOTHER moronic Harry Knowles posting. Seems like Im saying this almost daily! Lets see, where to start, your "friends with a producer" Like we give a shit? Whats the contextual purpose of stating this? It does nothing to further or develop your article. You state it merely for the purpose of letting US know how important and cool you are. You have a serious inferiority complex Harry, and it shows in your writing. Your prejuduce and bias shows no bounds. YET ANOTHER lets rag on FOX article because im an ultra-uber-liberal that hates all things FOX. Simply moronic. I agree, this movie WILL suck donkey balls, but how about doing SOME RESEARCH. It took me literally LESS than 1 minute to go to Miki and find --- "After the series ended and all the X-Titles were revamped, in 2001 Frost appeared in New X-Men as a teacher for the mutant population of Genosha, which was then controlled by Magneto. After a Sentinel strike leveled the island nation, the X-Men found Frost amidst the rubble with a "secondary mutation" which hardened her skin to a diamond-like density. Subsequently, Frost joined the X-Men. This would lead to her instigating an affair with fellow X-Man Cyclops, who was having marital difficulties with Jean Grey."---You are telling me you cant even do the simplest of research. I am currently writing a book on boxing legend Max Schmeling. I would be glad to give you proper research lessons for a flat fee of $100.00 per day. If the flaming of you on this talkback is particularly harsh, which it is, its because you deserve it. You seriously NEED to get your shit together Harry, your slipping rapidly. ON THE PLUS SIDE, you at least axed the Plastic Ono Band's music column, which was pretentious garbage that no one gave a shit about...thanks for that!
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sorry thats "Wiki"...i suck ass.....
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I wonder if we bad mouth Star Trek will Harry banish us from the site...
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Picking nits like Emma Frost's diamond skin is just a distraction from the bigger problems this movie suffers- like plot, writing and a meaningless foe. Your gripe is like complaining that the Titanic had shitty deck chairs.
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From one nerd to another, I was never huge on X-Men or the comics, and I just awtched the Deadpool character spot...and I don't know what his power is. He's clearly very fast, and likes swords and murder, but why is he called Deadpool? Sorry, I know this is super dumb for most of you, but humor me, what can the guy do? Tons of TBers seem to love the character...any one want to tell me why?
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good shit
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Those spots are terribly, terribly cheesy and awful. FOX is so bad at understanding what people think is cool...because those spots are the opposite of cool. They are like public serice announcements. "I'm Gambit...and I play for keeps." Those actors were EMBARASSED the day they had to tape that shit. Wow.
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He has the amazing ability to use Wikipedia and research something before he writes a post and makes an ass of himself.
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ala batman. It could star the first xmen and be more true to the clasic comics. It will take place in the 90's witch will be considered retro since it will not be devolped until 2020. From this a entire new line of films will be spawned. If faith is given to the source material it will be huge. It could be an epic trilogy. the secon film could bring in the next class of storm wolivrine storm ect and the third could deal with the far future ans sentinals, cable etc...
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You're right, I could have done that, if I had expected everyone on here to be a dick and not just help me out. Go fuck yourself. Like you've never wanted someone to answer a question for you. I figure you guys know better than Wikipedia. I hope that made you feel about yourself, you pathetic fucker.
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because she's cuter than hell and therefore immune to judgment
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Apr 21, 2009 9:11:44 AM CDT
Plagarism? Or At Least a Little Trigger Happy With Paraphrasing?
by hapapapa72
Who wrote the script? I already caught a rephrasing of The Fly's "I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it, etc..." coming outta Sabretooth's mouth...
THEN Wade Wilson... I was a big 21 Jump St. nerd, what can I say ...and I remember an episode where Hanson (some guy named Depp) was describing the CIA as, "traveling to exotic places, meeting interesting people, and killing them." I mean, I always knew there wasn't an original idea in Hollywood anymore, but jesus! There isn't!!! -
2 seconds on screen was what was really bringing this movie down. Other then that it was absolutely flawless. You know I'm starting to think Deadpool really wasn't in this movie, the name Wade Wilson just HAPPEN to be a coincidence. I mean no where anywhere does Fox state that Deadpool is in the movie.
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My comments were actually directed more and mainly towards Harry considering that's exactly what he did...but ok how ever it made sense.....guilty conscious?
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Apr 21, 2009 9:17:34 AM CDT
CLAREMONT'S IS THE DEFINITIVE X-MEN TO ME TOO, FATSHITFUCK
by bringingsexyback
I haven't read Grant Morrison's X-Men, but I will as soon as I win Mega Millions.
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Every minute of it was LAME.
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i hate this kind of douchbags too.
well to answer your question,although i am not a big deadpool fan:
deadpool is mercenary,one of the deadliest killer on earth.in order to save his life from the cancer he had,he joined the X-WEAPON program.he got the regeneration ability (much stronger than wolverines) which cured him from cancer but also deformed his body,turning him a bit crazy.
deadpools trademark is the wisecracks he makes all the time.thats why he is called the merc with a mouth.
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he seems like a nice fella but it doesn't seem like this is gonna be a massive hit. but then again i thought the same about fantastic 4
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I hate to hear stupid defenses of shit like this by saying...OH WHATS THE BIG DEAL. YOU'D PROBABLY COMPLAIN IF THEY CHANGED THE COLOR OF HIS SUIT AND...BLAH BLAH BLAH. No. Its not the color of his suit. Or his size. Its the changing of ENTIRE CHARACTERS that pisses us off. I could give a shit if Wolvie doesn't wear a costume. But what happened to Deadpool in this movie is the equivalent of making Martin Luther King The Movie and making him a white supremest terrorist. Having Emma Frost (An American blonde white chic) be sisters with Silver Fox (Canadian Enuit)to us is akin to having Barack Obama being brothers with John McCain. These aren't nitpicky things "noninformed" viewers. These are like complete changes...if you're gonna do that just MAKE A NEW CHARACTER AND BE DONE WITH IT. Don't sell me Milk and then hand me Motor Oil. That is why we fans of the comic are pissed. Watch this movie and then WIKI Deadpool...its 2 different characters...COMPLETELY.
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Deadpool was made to hunt other mutants and gets his ass handed to him by 2 that he shares the same power with (and enhanced) in less than a minute's worth of fighting. But whatever....disco ball = bad movie
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Apr 21, 2009 9:21:50 AM CDT
IF AL QAEDA EVER RECRUITS A MUTANT WITH REGENERATIVE POWERS
by bringingsexyback
We are all fucked.
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There was a shot of the diamond transformation in the first full trailer. Where ya been?
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She'd be perfect. And she is fucking ripped, yet hot as hell.
But this is Fox. A company that made a movie about an Assassin(Elektra) that doesn't kill ANYBODY.
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Apr 21, 2009 9:24:11 AM CDT
DIAMOND TRANSFORMATION: I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRE-OP ICEMAN
by bringingsexyback
My bad!
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props to Harry for leaving this post up. I know I woulda taken it down had it been me.
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mouth in the movie.the merch WITH a mouth,doesnt have a mouth in the fucking movie.and u got angry with emma frost being a dico ball?
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I fucking fainted at what happened to Amy Smart!
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Emma is NOT supposed to be 15 years old. She is supposed to be a mature woman. A woman that uses her sex appeal to get what she wants and when that doesn't work she uses her telepathy. I tired of every comic book character in the movies (MINUS IRON AND BATMAN) being "Into The Jonas Brothers" age. I'd cast older. And man you really must not watch Burn Notice...cuz ain't nothing shriveled on her.
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Apr 21, 2009 9:30:51 AM CDT
I'LL BET THAT MALL OWNER WISHED THEY HAD REGENERATIVE POWERS
by bringingsexyback
This recession has hit them hard. Showing Wolverine will be the final straw for that camel.
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this film is an insult to the MARVEL Universe. Its only purpose is to sell a Slurpee. FOX pulled this same shit with X3. Sure Hugh Jackman is a good guy but he apparently doesn't care about the character or the fans. This film, again, is an insult.
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Hug it out bitches, ok? Remember, the main source of our wrath is this shit sucking movie and Harry's moronic rantings. Lets stay focused gentlemen
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Either she had on old lady make-up or they're airbrushing her on Burn Notice. Wait, maybe that wasn't Anwar. Maybe it was Madchen Amick. Whoever it was, she was one wrinkly lady.
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they plucked her from the mall. Blonde hair. Check. Girl. Check. Speak English. Check. FUCK THIS SHIT.
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Apr 21, 2009 9:35:10 AM CDT
Tom Rothman personally fucked up the Emma Frost character.
by leafar the lost
I'm telling you, Rothman hates comic books, so he has deliberately fucked up the X-Men characters. He doesn't give a fuck about how it looks in the movie.
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Shia Lebeouf.
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Is there anything you'd like me to tell them, other than Damn You Michael Bay?
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Apr 21, 2009 9:36:58 AM CDT
SERIOUSLY THEY SHOULD GET CHELSIE HIGHTOWER TO PLAY DAZZLER
by bringingsexyback
She is so fine.
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I havent missed an episode of Burn Notice and I really cant stand the sight of her. Her face, her body, I just dont find anything sexy about her. NOW Tricia Helfer on the other hand......
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Apr 21, 2009 9:37:39 AM CDT
Woo! I haven't had this much fun since "Harry chose HD-DVD
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Apr 21, 2009 9:41:01 AM CDT
Are we still pretending nobody has seen the workprint?
by hollywoodhellraiser
Because Emma as "The Human Disco Ball" is one of many things I "hear" is wrong about this movie!
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He loves that!
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.... that whole Reavers ambush story was great.
and that crucifixion cover was brilliant.
Steve Dillon did the same for Rogue Trooper back in the day.
all hero's need a good crucifying.
Jackman has turned into a cross between Rock Hudson and Fred Astaire ....ffs.
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It's a shame, because Gabrielle was really fine in the early 90s. I just googled Tricia Helfer - see you in 15 minutes.
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Hey Harry, Nolan is planning to use Catwoman in the next Batman flick, and he's planning to make her a god damn jewerly burglar!! now what the fuck is that!! can you believe it!!
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The X-Men part of Fall of the Mutants is available in paperback. The X-Factor and New Mutants parts aren't though.
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I just saw some of the 30 second spots. Emma Frost looks like she can turn her skin into diamond, but probably no mental powers. However, it wouldn't surprise me if they gave her ice powers, like Iceman. Her last name is Frost, so the screen writer probably just gave her frosty powers. She looks like a typical, 100 pound, Hollywood blonde. The Emma Frost from the comic is curvey, with big boobs and round hips. Fuck this movie...
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Christ, I haven't read comics since the 90s and even I know about the secondary mutation thing. This genre is supposed to be your wheelhouse, harry. Fucking inexcusable.
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Apr 21, 2009 9:49:43 AM CDT
I THINK PEREZ HILTON WAS WRONG TO JUDGE MISS CALIFORNIA
by bringingsexyback
on the gay marriage issue. That was too militant. And seriously why is a gay man judging Miss USA? It's all about who makes your dick harder, and Miss North Carolina won fair and square according to my metrics.
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at least thats what i thought when reading the comics as a kid.
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...and his X-Men stuff was too, just didn't like the Diamond-skin Ms. Frost. Morrison didn't really "click" w/ the Marvel characters as well as he does with DC characters, I guess. But most of the X-Men stuff he did was good.
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Apr 21, 2009 9:51:47 AM CDT
IN ALL FAIRNESS, CLAREMONT HAD PLENTY OF HELP FROM BYRNE
by bringingsexyback
They were like Lennon/McCartney. Magical together, a bit lacking apart.
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Yeah, Helfer is hot in Burn Notice but in BSG as "Number 6" she is absolutely on fire.......
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Or as they would probably say nowadays... The Bedazzler™. You know, that MILF Tana, the Bedazzling Queen™.
Okay, so she probably isn't a MILF, but whatever. For most of the guys on this site, she's way hotter than they could ever dream of landing in the sack.
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How many times does it need to be said? The FOX Marvel Movie Universe is *another* universe within the Marvel Multiverse. There's the Ultimate Universe, there's mainstream 616 Marvel, there's the Marvel Zombie universe, and there are thousands of other universes within Marvel cosmology as established by "What If?" and pretty much every other Marvel title within the past 40 years.
So the FOX Marvel Universe is *not* the mainstream 616 universe. It's something else, where things happened differently just like they happen differently in the Marvel Ultimate Universe or the Marvel (studios) Movie Universe or the Sony Marvel Movie Universe or the various cartoon universes or the various TV show universes. So THINGS WON'T BE THE SAME!
Yes, in 616 Marvel, Frost does have the diamond power, but she develops it later. In the Fox Marvel Movie Universe, she apparently develops it sooner. No big deal; This is the same universe in which Nightcrawler didn't remain with the X-Men, and where Jean Grey didn't encounter the cosmic entity known as Phoenix. This is a universe in which Warren Worthington and Bobby Drake were born a LOT later than Hank, Jean, or Scott. In this universe, Kitty and Piotr never dated. In this universe, there's no Lockheed. In this universe, Xavier never formed the New Mutants, and didn't have to assemble a group of new Uncanny X-Men to replace the original team.
IT IS ALL DIFFERENT, and that's OK because they've pretty much established that this isn't the same universe as you saw in the Claremont days, nor is it the Morrison version, or the Whedon version (thank goodness for that; Whedon's run is just crap. A lot of nostalgia and bad one-liners. Gods, he sucks in every way imaginable.)
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GGRRRRRRR!!!!
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And she is shriveled like an old man's penis. In fact, I bet she has an old man's penis. That's why they have to digitally remove shit from her all the time. Remember the "Where's Fi's Bellybutton?" scandal? Where is Fi's bellybutton? Ah, yes, she had it removed along with her shriveled up dick. Funny stuff, if a bit disconcerting.
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but i disagree with whedons AXM.it was good.
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Seriously people, this is going to be another lackluster X-Men film. I'm over them all. Time for a reboot already.
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Those spots were the worst things I have ever seen.
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and colored it myself. Short of jacking random people on the street that's the only way I can afford to read a comic book.
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All of them. I am not going to pay my hard earned money to see this movie. Complete crap.
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Apr 21, 2009 10:05:44 AM CDT
MY FUCKING BROTHER SOLD OUR X-MENS FOR 10 CENTS EACH
by bringingsexyback
I haven't talked to him in well over a decade.
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Apr 21, 2009 10:06:55 AM CDT
CLAREMONT/BYRNE'S X-MEN EXISTS ... ONLY IN MY MEMORIES
by bringingsexyback
Unless one of you bitches wants to sell me your collection for cheap.
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Ominus has serious anger issues?? Christ dude, try masturbating a bit more!
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Hard to resist a movie all about a guy with indestructible admantium claws. And Hugh Jackman will be good, I expect. But it looks like the stuff they did with Deadpool (and I'm not talking canon, I don't care about that, it just looks monumentally stupid) is bad news, as well is the effor to shovel in as many mutants as possible into the running time. I don't think this is going to live up to the X-Men movies, including the last one . . . but I still have high hopes for the Magneto movie, as long as it's chock-full of Ian McKellen.
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...can cut glass to spec for new tract housing developments.
...can finance a military coup in Mogadishu.
...is her own best friend.
HARRY for fucks sake mate can you really be that angry?! Really? FOX rapes canon with impunity.
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Why blame the writers? How do you know it was even their fault? Do some b.g. research. It could have been the director's wishes, it could have been a star actor's choice. Who knows?
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Thats right, full frontal nudity is needed to save this terrible movie!! (Hugh Jackman naked=WIN!)
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= studio fucking over characters, story and fans inorder to sell a fucking slurpee. Get real.
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with crystalline Krypton and Fortress of Solitude. But he did it respectfully, not like Fox. Fox only does hate-rape.
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Apr 21, 2009 10:17:15 AM CDT
This is just the tip of the iceberg as to why this movie is wron
by rupee88
I guess Harry can't comment on the workpring version, but the whole movie is a joke...bad script, bad acting, good cgi but that's it.
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knows as much about comics as the @$$holes.
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I actually thought it was pretty cool - certainly worked in Grant Morrison's run. And Joss Whedon's too for that matter. Not keen on the look of the girl in the movie, but i don't think she has a big part.
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I know he's kind of a cranky old a-hole now but give some credit. Besides the art(and giving Emma Frost that sexy dominatrix outfit) he did co-plot the later stories including the Dark Phoenix Saga and the book noticably lost something when he left besides his art.
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You people call yourself nerds? She developed that in Genoa (but cannot use her psychic abilities while in that state), can't blame the filmmakers for showing her using an ability she's had for yonks. It'll still likely be shit, but you'll have to find a better reason to slate it.
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Out of any chick they coulda got for Emma Frost, this one is waaay far off the mark.
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It explains so much that Claremont's run is Harry's favorite. Please, can I read another issue where all the characters explain (in thought bubbles) their powers as they are using them, EVERY time they use them? "It's a good thing I've got my healing factor." Yeah, thanks for explaining that, Wolverine. Because I didn't catch on that you had a healing factor the last 50 times you said that. Claremont hasn't been relevent in 30 years. Now he's just a joke who still gets work from Marvel because he's blackmailing Quesada with pictures of him in panties molesting kindegarteners.
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It was Dazzler in the 6 Player Xmen Game. The rom is out there on the MAME sites
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FULL FRONTAL!!!
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To be far that is because of Stan Lee. They have to do that because he believes it's always somebody's first comic book.
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Damn it!(this site needs a edit button) To be fair that is because of Stan Lee. They have to do that because he believes it's always somebody's first comic book.
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it's too bad they didn't follow the origins of these characters better, and not just because of "sacredness" or whatever, but more because the original stories were just better stories. This movie looks like X-Men 4 with Bret Ratner lurking behind the camera somewhere.
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...try pretending that the movie continuity is in another dimension. Call it Earth-712 or whatever. Isn't that easy? Now you don't have to get angry that the film isn't using old comics as storyboards, because it takes place in an alternate universe.Or, alternately, just read your old funnybooks and don't go and see the movie. Then you'll never have to worry about it at all.
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"We don't research shit!"
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"We don't research shit!"
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To think otherwise is completely ridiculous.
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Apr 21, 2009 10:36:52 AM CDT
Actually, erichaislar, I think that was Jim Shooter's editorial
by rev_skarekroe
But yes, that's the reason why Marvel comics at that time have all the characters think or say they're powers, and everyone always makes sure to mention their codenames at some point. "I'll stop you from your evil scheme with my eye blasts, Arcade!" "I'll kill you first, Cyclops, using this giant pinball machine!" "Not if I, Storm, have anything to say about it!" "Nooo!! You've used your weather manipulation powers to hit me with a lightning bolt!"Sometime in the late '80s/early '90s they stopped doing that.
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Maybe that was true 30 years ago, (although Stan lee was just a figurehead at Marvel by the time Claremont was on the X-Men, so I doubt it) but I flipped through an issue Claremont wrote 2 or 3 years ago and that corny "explaining everything" shit is still there. He hasn't adjusted his style at all and it comes off like a guy tryng to pick up chicks wearing a Saturday Night Fever suit with no irony whatsoever: Pathetic.
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Alternate universe's are a dime a dozen in the Marvelverse. And lets not forget issue 141 "Days of Future Past" which is pretty much the groundwork for any future travel in Heroes.
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Harry, if you want to recapture some of the grandeur and innocent joy of those Claremont /Byre days – track down the collected volumes of Grant Morrisons run on the book where The White Queen gets her diamond sheen. If you don’t adore them I’ll refund your $.
Seriously, go to Amazon right now and type New X-Men, Vol. 1 by Grant Morrison (Hardcover) and if you don’t love it unconditionally I will send you 20$ by post, no lie.
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Apr 21, 2009 10:47:49 AM CDT
is there anyone out there that's anxious to see this P.O.S movie
by victornewman
the third Batman can't come soon enough
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like the rest of us you'd not be surprised by this.If you think you hate it now...just wait till you drive it.
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Conspiracy you can't drive movies asshole
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Helicopter-Staff Gambit? Come the Fuck On.. I don't care if that DID happen in the books. Gambit flying down to the ground with his staff majestically swirling like helicopter blades is G-G-G-GGHEY!
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fox had it coming. karma's a bitch.
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Apr 21, 2009 11:01:36 AM CDT
I stopped reading "X-Men" not too long after Harry did...
by the nihilist
...and this, along with the awful, hideous, lingering vegan diarrhea taste left in my mouth by "X-Men 3" means that I have virtually no interest in seeing this film. Almost none. I'm actually really struggling with it. The 13 year old inside me is screaming "what are you doing, it's a Wolverine movie for Chrissake, you have to go!" The adult on the outside is shouting back to him "shut up and go back to masturbating, I may go to a strip club instead." Then the 13 year old replies "OK, that'll work."
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The way that they have reduced Cyclops is embarrassing. This "origins" bs makes me sick...
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You can't just admit you screwed up. Instead, as usual, you offer your "geek passion" as some type of convenient excuse. Why don't you just genuinely apologize for all the unjustified hate-spewing and name-calling?
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They spent THREE X-Men films focusong on Wolverine. Technically he's already had three movies made about him. Origins is just more of the same. Oh look...claws...oh look...yawn. Nothing tops the x-mansion invasion in X2. Enough with Wolverine already.
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NEW X-MEN by Grant Morrison is the best X run EVER. READ IT! I'm sure you can afford the Omnibus collection.
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and a proper phoenix story for HIS 3d xmen flick, man this property it´s completely fucked after they kicked him off
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Is that retarded Discovery commercial that runs after every.single.clip. Honestly though, I don't know who Emma Frost is, but by Harry'e description, it sounded like she turned into a weird orb. No- she has some weird transluscent thing going on.And?That clip says absolutely nothing about what she does, who she is, or anything else. But whatever. I don't really have a horse in this race.
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As an outsider, I expect someone named Emma Frost to be a hot looking woman. This one isn't. She looks like an elementary school teacher.
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You know what I'm saying.
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I haven't really read any spoilers or anything but I've been hearing bad stuff about Deadpool
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Is probably the only interesting "B" character in the whole x-men cannon. And from the looks of it, Fox also fucked that one up big-time. And I understand Harry getting worked up about Emma Frost. I'd get pissed if they made a Judge Dredd movie and made him take his helmet off... Or they put nipples on Batman's suit... Or flames on Optimus... I love Jackman, I love his Wolverine, but still I'll skip this movie because it looks like a huge stinker. Unless, by some miracle, it starts getting amazing reviews. Then I might reconsider...
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Guess what? He dies
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Guess what? He dies
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Because he certainly isn't the same character that Claremont intended him to be. Or, how about Wolverine in general? Are you pissed because Wolverine isn't a cut and paste version of how Claremont wrote him?
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You ever make a mistake? It's happened to me. It happened to Harry too.He tries to inform us and jumps the gun before fact checking...holy shit, we better crucify him so we can feel better about ourselves.Get fucking lives.
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Apr 21, 2009 11:20:25 AM CDT
IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL LIGHT... AND IT'S MAGIC!
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
and it's MAGIC
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Apr 21, 2009 11:21:05 AM CDT
Emma Frost is being wasted along with all other characters in th
by stormwatcher
Seriously, why is FOX allowed to make genre films? I mean they REALLY suck at it. I never thought I was smarter than a US president till Bush and I never thought I could actually make better movies than a Studio till I learned the name of Rothman. Christ I could easily do better on Fantastic Four and Daredevil then they did.
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A) his refrence choice was questionble at best about the white queen.
b) he disrespected 2 of the most popular fanboy charecters. deadpool( whos name is really retarded. but is a really awesome charecter that and gambit ( the best mutant since wolverine. no question. it should have been Sawyer. big mistake)
c) xmen/ wolverine films are a great hot topic for debate for talkback because there is so much subgectvity and room for interpitation and adaptation that someone if not a real die hard fan will be upset at something
c) bottom line wolverine is a perfect movie hero and when given the chance and free reign over his universe and associated charceters all and any producer,writer, or director needs to take the masses into consideration and what makes the story move and work. the movies change the facts and is for all porposes the reality of the charecters. xmen will become like batman and star trek something redone and recycle many times.
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With X-Men being good but not great and X3 being pretty forgettable and Origins sucking ass...HOW ON EARTH did X2 turn out so good? What a fluke. I don't even give Synger that much credit because the first X-Men still was pretty bland and he was at the helm.
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Apr 21, 2009 11:28:38 AM CDT
I can't wait for the day when bashing Obama is second nature.
by cotton mcknight
Obviously bashing GW Bush has become second nature and it's roundly accepted without protest, but I'm telling you- Barry makes GW look like a saint. This honeymoon can't end soon enough.
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I'm sorry, but that's just bullshit. Clairemont is a damn good writer and that was one of the best X-Men runs in their history. Morrison's was ok and if you really liked Whedon's it's probably because your a Whedon-whore. It doesn't even matter because its current level of suck makes them all look amazing.
This film will suck. Too much misguided character and plot developments from what ive seen already.
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Apr 21, 2009 11:39:51 AM CDT
laughs and points at harry [and mcknight, and darthxmas]
by ironic_name
and anyone with darth in their name.
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but loves emma frost...lol harry is such a fagmo i can see why he jizzed all over twishite now. and double lol at him pretending he hasn't watched the workprint
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Apr 21, 2009 11:43:09 AM CDT
Ironthorman; whedon sucks, 'clairemont' sucks, morrison sucks
by ironic_name
stan the man lee is that nikkuh.
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His New X-Men was thrilling to read BUT
X-MEN has been floundering helplessly since the end of Morrison's run. He changed things forever, and a return to the naive, tights-wearing, cartoony, pure adventure style of the 90s comics has proved impossible so far. The comics now are grounded in too much realworld, serious angsty stuff. -
from the Punisher comics.apparently noone stays dead in the Marvel Universe.only the cannon fodder and the innocents.
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You're a cockhead - I'm pretty sure thats going to be roundly accepted without protest.
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mojo is from a parallel dimension where no one has heard of the xmen, either.
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from burtons alice
http://tinyurl.com/cv8qoo
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That’s why there were so few mutants in the team in X1, angel and iceman were supposed to be in it a lot more “No. Take them out”. Sentinels? “Are you crazy Brian? We cant afford that”, considering that Singer was being bent over by the money people at Fox so much its IS a miracle he pulled of a good couple of movies.
No wonder he got out when he could, Warner Bros!! Ha “ here, have a truck full of money Brian!” “ Just don’t mess this up, were all counting on you”
I can’t see why anyone can defend Fox. It is so obvious they are in this for the MONEY and not the artistic/creative/original side of things. AND so far people are lapping it up like idiots.
Please stop seeing (paying to see) stupid Fox Superhero movies. X2 was the last good one; they are NEVER going to produce a decent one ever again. Even with a good director, the producers always get their way. If I were an acclaimed director with a few hits under my belt I would never ever take a superhero movie gig from Fox.
Feel bad for Gavin Hood though, he really got shafted with this one. As for Brett Ratner though…..
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Remember how those movies were going to be huge hits because all of us geeks on AICN couldn't wait to go see them?
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Well put about the mansion invasion. That's the only part of the 3 movies I really enjoyed. I also agree with the 616 point. I also think Chris Claremont and John Romita Jr’s Chris Claremont and John Romita Jr’s run on the book was amazing. Hell for a Wolverine movie why didn't they use the Miller/Claremont mini series?? That would have been kick ass.
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unfortunately as life has it,at the end of the day rothmans studio policy was justified,while singer was proved to be a disappointment to the warner studio and to the fans.
X3 was the biggest success in the xmen franchise,superman returns flopped and sucked and now rothman looks like the best businessman who knows how to bring money in the studio,even without producing 'artistic' genre movies.
and singer looks like a bad sheep for the super hero movie genre.warner studio not only wants a reboot instead of a sequel,but they dont even want singer to helm the project.i dont blame them,but god dammit singer just followed the wrong approach with the superman movie.he is a good director but he made the wrong choices. -
is that it's convoluted and filled with (forgive me) kind of cheesy characters like cable, gambit, etc. so using any of those characters is a gamble i think. sorry, but i'm old school on xmen.
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Harry, I cannot fucking believe you're so retarded. This must be part of your strategy to create froth on the site by posting the stupidest shit possible. Obviously you never read New X-Men, you fucking poseur! Go suck a dick on your next set visit ya damn cultural appropriationist!
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is to ignore everything published by Marvel after '90. You lose a few good books, but 99.7% of their books (including X-Men) are absolute crap.
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Diamond cutters! Lookout!
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more like it
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I saw the same thing on FX, a preview of the film and it shows like 2-3 minutes of emma and is very nice and sweet and helping mutants and crap. I was pissed. The diamond thing didnt bother me but the fact that they are writing her like she is some new jean grey incarnation and lovable, pissed me off. She is the mother fu*king white queen, bad as*. She was always a favorite of mine and even when she was leading the Generation X (lame, she was still manipulative and put herself first and this movie version, while they have to make changes for movies, seems lame. Three minutes of her smiling and seeming sweet made me want to vomit.
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PASS! fuck fuck fuck. Hate that bag of douche.
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Im really looking forward to your review of this film because you know how bad its gonna b. I read on yahoo that the movie is one and hour and 47 minutes. Some blockbuster. It says Origins (plural) in the title because the movie isnt really about Wolverine, but him and other people who will no doubt have minor crappy parts. Im sure most of them wont even be called by their aliases just so FOX can leave it out for mystery purposes. The continuity is so screwed up that they're trying to make spinoffs with radically different stories. None of these characters in these movies have even tapped their true potential powers on screen because of budget reasons and lack of a good screenplay. I shit all this movie, twice, with hot after practice shit thats been marinating the whole day. Fuck FOX. Thanks Hugh for the run but I can stand no more watching my favorite characters getting drilled in the ass with Excalibur swords on screen.
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I've been buying X-Men comics at various rates in the 22 years since the "Mutant Masacre" story arc, and it has never been that good again. I think Morrisson's New X-Men is the best marvel mutant material since the 80s. You can still go back and re-read some of the 60s to 80s stuff and it's all good, but try re-reading any of the X-Men comics that came out in the 90s... they are pretty much all complete garbage.
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The way to tell if a comic-to-movie adaption is any good, is to note whether it's based on classic pre-90's characterization and story, or post-90's juvenile grim-and-gritty power trip fantasies.
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when obama proclaims to the world that america does not torture, then proceeds to have two individuals water boarded over 200 times in a month, cuz it "works"...give me a call other than being black, what has obama done that is so much worse than that...you racist fuck
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Wolverine, Diamonds on Emma.
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they fucked up almost every character in the movie they fucked up the movie there is no way that the finished product is any better than the wp...no way
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they fucked up almost every character in the movie they fucked up the movie there is no way that the finished product is any better than the wp...no way
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Peter Parker is 61 years old! (And still swinging!)
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It's rehashing the origin again. Why does everything always have to be about the beginng, or the end/ultimate? Why does everything always have to be so personal? Even The Dark Knight got it way wrong by making it all about Bruce's company, Bruce's girlfriend, Bruce's friend, Bruce Bruce Bruce UP YOUR FUCKING ASS WITH BRUCE. Give me a fucking story with some HEROISM in it. Have the hero sacrfice himself for some reason other than revenge or as a form of psychological unguent! They got it fairly right in the very end when Batman decided he'd be the bad guy Gotham needed, in order to give them a hero that they needed. Or something. That was actually heroic, but the rest of it was too personal and convoluted. Seriously I'm gonna have to make a fucking movie and show all you fucknuts how to tell a story that is approachable without having to start from the beginning.
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That is the funniest thing on this site in a long time. Harry, you just became the biggest dork in a room FULL of dorks, me being one of them, but if nothing else, I can completely appreciate your passion for this, at least we geeks out there that actually care about this stuff, can see that you still have that fire in ya! Sometimes, it seems like you get almost apologetic about certain things that Comic movies get wrong, but this was nice to see!
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The new receptionist on the 19th floor. Holy shit I am gonna be spending more time on that floor.
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i have some old wolverine comics but that it...should it not work for non-fans? yep...yes i watched the bootleg...not very good. i doubt reshoots will fix it. uncompleted FX dont mean thing as to the film's overall effect.
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Superman II, the best Superman movie we've gotten so far, is actually retarded, because the whole problem is caused by Superman's fucking father in the first place, and then made worse when Superman can't keep his Super-dick in his pants and says "fuck the world I need to bust a nut." Honestly that movie makes me chuckle so much at the overtone.
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This site can't even do the 10 seconds of research necessary to find out that Emma Frost actually has the ability to turn into diamonds in the comics?
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did they ever do an origin comic for cyclops other than the first x-men? I think its hillarious that they were able to get ruby quartz sunglasses for him and enroll him into public school and not warn his teacher, "oh yeah by the way little scott can't take his sunglasses of or he'll kill you and all the students and maybe destroy the school."
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Claremont's X-men run had two recurring hallmarks: bad dialogue, near endless exposition to make up for lack of story-telling skills.
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And man, I hate to hate, I really really do, but the fact that you haven't read Grant Morrison's New X Men really kills your nerd and comics cred.
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Imagine Jor-El is some redneck who has gotten drunk and fallen off the riding mower. Now the riding mower is trundling zombie-like across the lawn, bearing down death upon a baby sitting on a picnic basket. No-one can save the baby but the son of Jor-El, who is up in the farmhouse giving it to his girlfriend. Kal-El comes stumbling out the front door, onto the porch and with his dick flapping in the air and his pants around his ankles, he manages to slap the kill-switch on the mower at the last moment before it slashes the baby's face off. Then Kal-El goes back inside and roofies his date, who turns out to be pregnant. The he fucks off on the girl for five years again only to come back and stalk her like a moony fucking putz.
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That was perfect.
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This is a pretty recent addition to the comics. And he is right that it looks ridiculous, even in the comics.
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Don't even get me started about the most embarassing thing about superhero comics. It's not the costumes, the homosexual undertones, or the WWF juvenality of 99% of the material. No, it's when Chris Claremont and his ilk have characters exchanging mass amounts of dialogue in the middle of what are supposed to be pitched, violent confrontations. To me, that's the barest marker between good and bad superhero comics.
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Apr 21, 2009 12:47:25 PM CDT
Super powers don't necessarily define the characters who use the
by magunga
FOX's superhero movies tend to be about the spectacle of dazzling effects - plot and characterization are secondary, because those elements don't sell as many tickets. They don't respect source material, and it has been proven repeatedly that they are only looking to comics as a vehicle for big 'splosions and CGI. The old tired adage, "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice..." applies to FOX's superhero movies. It's a pretty safe bet that this movie will be terrible given the movies that have preceded it: FF1 & FF2, X3, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, My Super Ex-Girlfriend, AvP & AvP2... dare I continue?
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Apr 21, 2009 12:48:56 PM CDT
Jackie Chan is right! The Chinese need to be controlled!
by leafar the lost
The copied the following from the AP. I have to agree with Jackie. The Chinese people need to be controlled. Have any of you seen "Croching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" or "Hero"? Apparently all Chinese people know martial arts, and some of them can jump 100 feet into the air. These guys would take over the world if they were brutally controlled by their government.
"I'm not sure if it's good to have freedom or not," Chan said Saturday, adding freedoms in his native Hong Kong and Taiwan made those societies "chaotic." Taiwan, which split from China in 1949, is democratic and Hong Kong , a separately ruled Chinese territory, enjoys some free elections.
"I'm gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled. If we're not being controlled, we'll just do what we want," he said.
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AND LONG LIVE NEGASONIC TEENAGE WARHEAD FOR THAT MATTER!
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To my recollection Emma Frost only has one power. Look totally hawt.
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Your post would have carried more weight, if you would have spelled it FELLATE!!!
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In this new movie adaptation, from Fox studios, of the beloved iconic comic character,we find out:
Magneto was in fact an SS officer with the name Arnold Schwarzenegger ,and he was Himlers right hand.
he participated in Mengeles secret project which purpose was to create the first nazi uber soldat.
the experiment is a success.Arnold gains superpowers,at first he has the ability to shoot lasers from his eyes and spider-web from his ass.
But soon there is a second mutation,he loses his original powers and gains new ones,those of magnetism.
unfortunately the experiment has a side effect.he turned Arnold into a fag.and because that was something opposite to the nazism ideology,the uber soldat project finally is considered unsuitable for Hitlers needs and is abandoned.
the war ends,and arnold escapes incognito to USA using the alias Magneto.there he meets his true love of his life,a bold man called Charles Xavier.
Charles was an unhappy man because he lost his beautiful hair.it didnt matter to him that he also lost the function of his legs.
You see Charles was living in Texas where people hated mutants.and charles was a mutant.he could read peoples mind and could learn who was gay,lesbian,bifem or into beastility.
the people of texas got angry with that and beated him down so hard that he lost his legs and his hair.
but that was a long time ago,and now charles was in love with Magneto.a romantic relationship until one day,they started arguin on what was the best future for the mutandkind.
their difference in their ideology brought an end to their love,and magneto left leaving charles alone in his school mansion/super secret mutan thideout, which they had built together.
but that was the end of one story and the begining of another one.that of the XMEN.
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he didnt download this shit. THAT is a got damn lie and we all know it. that fat fuck loves movies too damn much to be able to wait. you have no control when it comes to eating twinkies, do u really think people will think u have control when it comes to downloading the fucking wolverine movie?? dont insult our intelligence harry. u saw it and hated it like everyone else. drop the bullshit hollywood charade.
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Apr 21, 2009 12:52:40 PM CDT
IF CHINESE PEOPLE HAD FREEDOM, CHINA WOULD LOOK LIKE TALKBACKS
by bringingsexyback
Is that what anyone wants?!?!!
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ha ha
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Imagine if Cotton McKnight had nukes. Fuck that.
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Were Cyclops eye blasts powerful lasers (like superman eye lasers) or big kinetic blasts who could destroy things with their impact?
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And an old-school one at that. Not a new school one, like Megan McFattyCain.
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Kinda like Megan McFattyCain sitting on you. That's how they feel.
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People who like the newer stuff are the same as kids who like the SW prequels more than the originals. It is what it is. But the new stuff is just taking someone else's great ideas, tacking on newer own much-less-substantial ideas, and "grounding" it in some BS "gritty" "reality" that supposedly gives it more "credibility" than the more imaginative stuff of the past.As for all the people complaining about Claremont exposition--we all take X-Men success for granted now, but there was a time when these comics actually had to be marketed, and when newsstands were a big part of sales. They had to be mindful of the new reader picking up at any given point and not getting completely lost. They did it in all titles, not just X-Men, though X-Men was very ambitious in terms of scope and number of characters, so it needed more of it.Nowadays, they can write for a consistent loyal nerd base, but back then it wasn't that way.Personally, I'll take the far superior imagination, drawing craftsmanship, and massively better character creation of those days over the decreased exposition and pseudo-grittiness of today's boring comics.
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"Breeding, dahling. Pure breeding."
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btw worst part about the Morrison years were that Jean suddenly became 5'1" with no ass. wtf
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Putting aside the fact youre too lazy to take say 5 seconds to look the character up at marvel or wikipedia, why would you be angry over a character you obviously know very little about to begin with? Makes no sense
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Those were the days - when you *read* a comic book instead of looking at a book of mini-posters. That's how you give characters character. And Byrne's great panels, Austin's inks. That was the shizznits.
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it turned to shit. She should of stayed in generation x but they were canceling all the spin offs at the time. To bad most of those titles didn't stay gone.
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terrible
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If you're going to get pissed over teasers, get pissed about Sabretooth ripping off a quote from The Fly.
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Elektra, LXG, Monkeybone, Jumper, Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li, Dragonball Evolution, Pathfinder...
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If I could find the pussy under all that fat!!!!!
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Shes chubby not fat. I like my ladies slender, but shes actually kinda cute. And not a total idiot. Smarter than GHB's half-wit no-talent son anyway. end transmission
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Because the premire is in Arizona with a whole slew of rednecks.
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or however you spell his name, fuck that asshole. Grounded in realism? When was that? When Wolverine and the old x-men were sitting around discussing how cool their new leather movie costumes are while waiting for the next unexplained, unprovoked random disaster to occur? He didn't know anything about those characters as far as I'm concerned. I hope his stench doesn't stay for long on what he did to Batman.
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That's something I think too but couldn't put a finger on. I don't want to dismiss everything today out of hand, but too much of it is like paging through someone's Photoshop portfolio. Imitation of cinematic technique, but without the underlying craftsmanship and sheer love of the color and flamboyance of words.
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I'd pay to watch that!
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Ya, some of the best stuff I could recall reading as a kid were the conversations Nightcrawler had with Wolverine about human nature. That shit helped to make me the man I am today. Too bad my fucking piece of shit brother sold off my childhood for 10 cents an issue the fucking prick. I'm gonna kick his ass this weekend.
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and told him she wanted to see his eyes. He has nice eyes. And kissed him.
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She makes my pee pee hard like diamnds.
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WTF happened? You got banned? I like your new name better!
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It's like they're hungry for the sausage! F'n wonderful...
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Apr 21, 2009 1:27:54 PM CDT
C'mon Harry: keep your anger for stuff that's a tiny bit worthy
by notveryfunny
Nothing in this piece of shit Wolverine movie has anything even remotely close to any kind of continuity. They just take the names of the characters and do shit with them.
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...Seriously, what's wrong with you people? We humans have the capacity to think in the abstract, to use reason and tact, to create entire social and political constructs based on shared concepts of ethics and morality, yet so many of you seem obsessed bodily orifices and the fluids that they excrete. I'm against government-controlled censorship, but shouldn't we as intelligent creatures be able to refrain from unending streams of potty humor and horrifyingly aggressive and graphic chauvinism?
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Banned in the service of Bale? There is no greater honor! Bravo! Your martyrdom is humbling to me!
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Apr 21, 2009 1:33:41 PM CDT
And, did you see that Harry?! They gave Wolverine f'ing CLAWS?!!
by jacksonspole
What the hell is that, Harry?! They've turned him into some damned pussycat!!
Updated: So, I've just been informed that they gave Wolverine adamantium claws later in the comics. Disgusting! I'm just such a far superior OLD SCHOOL Wolverine fan of when he killed people with chopsticks! But, of course, stupid jerkface Fox won't show that!! -
You're kidding, right? This is AICN, where the talkbackers--and even the so-called writers--have ALWAYS been disgusting 4-year-old chauvinists. Are you new here or something?
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the sexiest tomboy beanpole ever?
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Harry, you cannot write to save your life. You need to recognize this, and seek a means of compensating for your deficiencies. There's no shame in admitting that you lack a specific talent. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, and you've obviously done very well for yourself with your unique abilities. Regrettably, constructing a coherent sentence is not one of them. If it were, I'm fairly certain we would have seen one from you by now. Show some pride in your craft, and please hire an editor. That's just awful.
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Fuck... more and more frequently, I just find myself shaking my head in disgust everytime I read one of your articles.
You can't even be bothered to mosey on over to Wikipedia or something to at least look up the stuff you're about to bitch about. Fuck, man. Check your shit or just start writing for Fox News instead. -
... it's far from rednecky here. Nothing but college kids, rich old farts and hot, fake-breasted, bleach-blonde chicks running around. I actually live down the block from the Tempe Marketplace Cine Capri. It's a nice theater. I just wanna know who Dan Harkins had to blow to get the premiere here in town.
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...It's just gotten progressively worse here. It's a shame, really. I used to really like this site.
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should be that of her body being covered with chocolate.
so u can get double the pleasure when u lick her.
a friend of mine who is a chef,does this with his girlfriend.luck bastard. -
Disco Ball Girl trashed my scene
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It's not fucked in continuity... because the film ISN'T comic-book continuity. It's a new continuity leaping off from the comic-book. So while the effect may suck, the ability is an adaptation of something from the comic-book. Next time, do some research first.
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Probably haven't gotten head from many hot chicks. It's like the guys who say porsche owners have small dicks... probably can't afford a Porsche.
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I wish I could say the disco ball in Emma surprises me. It doesn't. When I read the headline i was hoping it would be Harry going nuts over new footage.
Then reality kicked in.
It will be a miracle if this movie doesn't suck.
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fag.
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Thats the biggest story related to this film. It was an inside job. Reasons were simple. They have a great excuse if it fails. They rub hands with the Big G. Get some serious new laws moving forward to self police violators and the G gets a perfect excuse to go after a shit load of servers. Insurance policy, enacting new laws to protect media content and giving the G's another excuse to rape a few sever farms for information.
So when the hell are you guys gonna give us your 2 cents on the nightmare screenplay that leaked- I sent you a copy. Good god is bad. I know it's Warner Bro's, so probably not.. Damn and no Amulet either :( Dracula really wants the Amulet. Damn... -
Just ask Yoko. Right, Harr?
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You can check the Marvel site for a detailed bio of pretty much any hero or villain. AT http://www.marvel.com/universe/Deadpool
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It was something but it wasn't X-Men. Emma should never have turned into diamonds.
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Apr 21, 2009 1:51:49 PM CDT
harry also liked the blair witch project 2 and jar jar
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
NEVER FORGET
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of this movie.and lets face it,like sniper with blade,his wolverine role is the only successful one in the boxoffice.
thats why he has taking this movie very seriously and is promoting it so hard.i respect that,his intentions are justified,the only thing i dont know is how much is responsible for the creativity part of the movie.
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I need to get less of a life so i can get on these talkbalks faster, i am always to late to the party no WAY am i reading all that but anyway i digest if know one has mention this yet i advise you to read Grant Morrisons Run on New X-Men with artist Frank Quietly,
Also if you have not read Joss Whedons run on Astonishing X-men you are missing out BIG TIME! and on an unrelated note have you read Morrison and Quitley's run with All Star Superman? simply classic! -
Fuckin' AMATEURS! Stomping around and fucking any future hope the X-Men franchise ever had with X3. Bunch of franchise-fucking, light-tweakers... all of 'em!
This movie is going to be unwatchable, but it's going to make a shit-ton of money based on the fact that this is just to get kids and parents in the seats and to sell an assload of toys. You remember all the Batman toys, don't you? They'll keep churning this shit out. Nothing will stop them.
I just really wish Marvel had all the rights to this franchise right now. They might be able to save it from the amateurish claws of Fox. -
Look, the old books were good because they were still somewhat fresh, even in the late 80s. However, don't let your ignorant bias fool you. It's much harder to write a book in which ever fucking story imaginable has ever been told. Do yourself a favor and start reading some of the newer X titles. You'll quickly find out how amazingly talented comic book writer have become over the years. You might even find some of your beloved themes from yester year carrying over into these modern books with a little heart.
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I need to get less of a life so i can get on these talkbalks faster, i am always to late to the party no WAY am i reading all that but anyway i digest if know one has mention this yet i advise you to read Grant Morrisons Run on New X-Men with artist Frank Quietly,
Also if you have not read Joss Whedons run on Astonishing X-men you are missing out BIG TIME! and on an unrelated note have you read Morrison and Quitley's run with All Star Superman? simply classic! -
Amen.
Brubaker/Fraction on "Uncanny"
Mike Carey on "X-Men Legacy"
Yost/Kyle on "X-Force"
Peter David on "X-Factor"
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Now bitch all you want about bone claws, dark-haired Sabretooth, non-cancerous Deadpool, etc. Though there are many changes to the characters from the comics, their essential core is mostly maintained. I actually like the improvement on Blob. But with Emma Frost, the essence of the character is totally fucked. She's a British socialite with delusions of grandeur and power, and the will to control and influence people, especially men, through sex and telepathy - and besides, the diamond skin was just a metaphor for Emma hiding her true emotions under a thick layer of posh opulence. She's not some fucking badass American freedom fighter rebel. She's the goddamn White Queen. Age isn't the issue - and some of you seem to have missed the 'Origins' part of the movie, and that this takes place many years before the X-Men films. Why did they bother putting her in the movie at all? It just makes absolutely no sense.
Wraith, Deadpool, Sabretooth, even Blob (though he wasn't a Weapon X guy in the comic) makes sense. Although this portrayal of Gambit looks pretty cool, he doesn't fit into this continuity and should have been in one of the X-Men films. It's like they squeezed him in because they didn't have room in X3. And Emma definitely does NOT belong. -
which means the characters stay the same all these years.they never change,they are never being developed following a positive or a negative path which will lead to a final resolution.
heroes die,heroes are ressurected,heroes become murderes but later are forgiven,even we have seen rape in a superman comic.but at the end nothing changes.superman will remain a boyscout and spiderman a whining pessimist.
fuck mainstream SH comics.they have reached their full circle.give room to alternative heroes and universes.and i dont mean ultimate or all-star universes but something totally different. -
How can Hugh Jackman work with a director that said and i quote "Fuck the Fans" and if he really cared about these movies he wouldn't have let them clusterfuck Deadpool, seriously there is no reason why they had to do what they did to him. trust me Harry, pretty sure you would be a fan if you read more of his books, he's a funny mother:P
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That was some good shit. Very character driven and not about the stupid poses and costumes and WWF style ranting.
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Deadpool looks like... well, fuck all like Deadpool. Even last month's Deadpool comic cover took the piss out of this movie. The merc with a mouth - hey! let's take away his mouth *bangs head on keyboards until brains leak*
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and not the director of the movie.
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that would one more deviation from the source material really make any difference, even though this was true to comics anyway?
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Frost has had the diamond form/power for years now. I love how when you realize that you messed up and started screaming about something you didn't know anything about, you excuse yourself by saying, "Oh, well, uh, I'm an old school X-Men fan." Astonishing X-Men #1-25 plus Giant Size Astonishing X-Men. Whedon, Cassiday. Read it.
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Why would anybody be upset that wolverine has boneclaws in the movie? he does in the comics and always has, we found that out when Magneto ripped the Adimantium from his skeleton, also on a related note, how can anyone like Gambit, he is one of the gayest(not that there is anything wrong with that):P characters ever created.
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this movie looks terrible. i think we can safely stop defending it now.
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loves having super powers and he is having fun with them.
something which most of us would have done if we had super powers,we wouldnt have been like 'great power brings great rensponsibility' or 'i just want to be a normal human being like the rest of the people'.
jesus christ has everything to be so serious? u have powers,fuck the rest of the world and enjoy your life with them.is this so hard? -
um, dude. Welcome to the Wolverine talkbacks. You know, in which every one of these things (except for this one, oddly enough) has been dominated by people bitching about the bone claws. I know all about the claws from the comic, so I have no problem with it, but it seems like as many talkbacks have been devoted to the bone claw issues as the squid issue in the Watchmen movie.
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They FUCKED FUCKED FUCKED him up. And to think there was rumors about a Deadpool spinoff. And that Ryan Reynolds did Deadpool instead of the Flash. Ooooo god I forgive X3 but DEADPOOL?!?!
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since ugly/fat chicks lack in appearance,they give their best self when having sex with a guy,in order to maintain their relationship.
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the whole secondary mutation crap doesnt belong here. you know Emma Frost here is going to be a bland, pretty girl that can turn into a diamond, minor character. She deserves a bigger role (or better yet, no role at all here). Plus no one gives a shit what happens in modern comics when trying to make an origin movie. I'm not saying the thing has to be set in the 70s but at least try to keep it reasonable.
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I think he just wanted to do a typical anti-Fox rant, saw something he didn't like about Emma, then went off about it. Secondary mutations, bub. Look it up. Not Fox's fault.
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Weird, i guess some people just dont get it:P oh well i definitely think it makes Wolverine a little cooler that he has always had claws, rather than them being just implants i have always been a fan,
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Morrison hated XMen and his comics sucked
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or is she just the amazing Diamond Girl?
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They barely want to move. I don't agree with the BJ thing either. Least not from my experience.
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Gotham City being destroyed. It happened in the books, but is totally out of place in a movie.
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Your missing out. Epic skull.
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Seriously, i really think you take shit too seriously, i mean did you really have to write a full column just to shit can a charactar which is so minimal to the movie, forget the comic, its about the movie, fucking bryan singer fucked up cyclops, he fucked up all that other shit which you only really criticize x3 and this one for, come on, shut up and try to be positive, i love ya man but slow your role.
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Yeah absolutely no problem with him having preexisting bone claws. not sure why some people hate this idea. and it works as a metaphor for puberty and stuff
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for wolverine sucks also.its very bad.which means that there was a good opportunity the movie to be a better version of wolvies origin.
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it fit in with the whole animal thing he had going. I would think the government has better things to do than put claws in people. doesnt make any sense.
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One of the fallen. Bale be praised. http://www.aintitbalenews.com/the-fallen.html
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Apr 21, 2009 2:45:54 PM CDT
I JUST JOINED THE SEND JACKIE CHAN TO NORTH KOREA FACEBOOK GROUP
by bringingsexyback
Not because he hates freedom, but because of Rush Hour 3.
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that was one of wolvies appeals.his past was surrounded with mystery and lack of information.
we didnt know much about him,and that made him very fascinating.
why should i know about his origin? why marvel decided to releave his past and his roots? by doing this,they destroyed one interesting aspect of his character.
and the sad thing is that they keep adding new things to him.at the end,he is going to become the Charles Xaviers lost grandfather.jesus. -
Apr 21, 2009 2:46:54 PM CDT
Wolverine shouldnt have a clear cut origin. this movie is stupid
by bmacsmith
they pretty much ruined his character with that stupid ass origin comic. He lost the mystery. All readers needed to know was that he had a fucked up past, and some of his memories were true an some false, and no one knew which was which. then they go and lay it all out, and as usual, doesn't live up to the readers' ideas. He got raped worse than Vader.
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since birth is better that gaining them through some goverment experiment.he gained his adamantium skeleton,thats enough,let the rest to relate on his mutant nature.
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Apr 21, 2009 2:49:13 PM CDT
Maybe they will retcon Wolvie again and throw out his origin.
by bmacsmith
and maybe retcon this movie so it never happened, too.
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So you say they screwed up Emma huh?
Well if they would invest say, 130 million and make say, 4 vastly different mutant films based on 4 of the most popular mutant "B" characters--at least two of the four films would make a profit and be the start of a whole new tentpole franchise. In addition- the two films that make money would have an advantage of a much bigger budget for the followup film
There are plenty of mutant characters they can choose from in the Marvel library for this project and a boatload of willing writers and directors willing to work for scale wages for a shot at this type of thing
And while I agree that Emma should be treated with respect, the diamond skin idea actually works (especially noting that much of her cell make-up is carbon based)
And don't be so harsh...Emma may be important to 200,000 comicbook geekers, but she's essentially a nobody to the potential millions of film watchers who've never heard of her and if they make an entire film around her it would gain her character a whole new audience which of course, is the bottom line wether you work in the comicbook field OR the film field
(we're talking longterm cash franchises here)
But of course, Hollywood won't listen to me because this idea makes sense.
But if they ARE listening- please, please please use my idea without giving me a dime. Put something on the screen we all want to (and will PAY to) see......thats all I ask -
Praise be to Bale may he grant His blessings upon KV!
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now that would have been a huge hit
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Amen to Grenadier.
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NUFF SAID, PUSSIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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anyway. she was fucking weird looking
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...about his perception of a film franchise throwing away continuity? I thought 'continuity' was a bad word. Plus I thought Harry was a continuity hater anyway (based on his love of all things JJ...)
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Bale has washed his hands of the Chan.
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Apr 21, 2009 3:09:12 PM CDT
Everyone has Issues with Spiderman's Organic shooters as well
by thedoctor28
REMEMBER??? That did turn out to bad did it??!!
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no farther than Nigella Lawson and the wonderous English Melon Farm**bricks in pants**
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wish this kind of stuff happened more often. it's so really funny to read a guy complaining about how uncanonical something is by a guy who apparently hasn't read an x-men comic book in the past twenty years. this was a mutation developed for her about a decade ago. in the ultimate line of comics the diamond form is her only mutation. and this wasn't something added by some crap writer just adding sh*t to be adding sh*t. this was grant f*cking morrison. yep. pretty much hands down THE comic book creator of the 21st century. i know he's no claremont but face it claremont ain't no claremont anymore. have you read anything the guys written since 1989? sucks. balls. love you harry. thanks for the chuckle.
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Isn't it amazing that Harry bitches about a perceived bastardization of "X-Men" lore and mythology but seems to care less about the raping of "Star Trek" canon and mythology in the upcoming JJ Abrams fiasco. Seems like typical Harry. Fox must not have given Harry free reign of the editing room and a star studded premier at the Alamo. What a hyprocrite.
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From all that backpedalling? Don't give us this shit about you being an old school fan of the comics. You just proved how horribly out of touch with geek culture you are. I'm a casual comic reader. I don't even buy them. And I knew that Emma Frost had the Diamond Skin thing going on many years ago. Come on dude. Pass the torch, and let a real geek run this site.
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Wait 'till he sees the goddamn movie.
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Wait 'till he sees the goddamn movie.
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This also goes to show how out of touch with your own talkbacks and general internet buzz you are. Emma Frost going all shiny was in the first or second trailer. And we all talked about it. You didn't once think, "hmm, they are talking about Emma Frost, wonder where she is in the trailer?" No you didn't. Because you didn't even know people were talking about her.
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Nigella Lawson is HOT!!!
she must be a criminal too.
criminals are hot.
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Just had to stick my head in and say that Claremont's writing is unreadable crap, unadulterated, juvenile, preachy, self-important, unreadable crap. As I remember, characters didn't have personalities beyond representing whatever minority/victim group they belonged to. Even as a fourth-grader I couldn't make it through an entire issue. All my friends absolutely loved the X-Men comics though, and I thought much less of them because of it (I remember trying to explain to them why Elektra Assassin was so MUCH better). Never even remotely liked any of the characters until Morrison took over the books. I was a Morrison fan so I was open to his interpretation of the X-Men. Some of the best comics ever... Cyclops and, yes, Wolverine kick all kinds of butt as real CHARACTERS in the Morrison books.
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is the ability to remove his foot from his mouth.
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leaked printwork.and instead of writing a full review which is illegal, he just gives us segments of his opinion creating new talkbacks every time.maybe tomorrow he will tell us that he found out that LOGAN is tall and not short like in the comics.and he will rant about it.jeez.
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Can we hijack this talkback and make it about Nigella Lawson? Who's with me?
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Bale loved Snake in Eagle's Shadow, but that Chan has long left that dojo.
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i would buy that for a dollar
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Your anger seems to be over done. You read like a grumpy old man. I actually think that the trailers have been pretty good so far, and that Ms Frost didn't necessarily look cheese balls. Furthermore, I am pissed as well about the way Fox has been doing things lately. However, I think there is a chance that this film could be pretty good. I dunno. Just don't want to hate on Wolverine before I see the film is all.
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There's your White Queen porn. SKEET.
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Comics aren't for kids anymore. The greatness you remember is from when they were. Now comics are for adults - filled with rape, gore, sadism, etc. Modern fans like to call it "realistic." The great, FUN stories filled with HEROES that used to ignite your imagination are pretty much out of style.Personally, I think modern Marvel and DC comics are crap, but there are plenty of people buying them who disagree with me. Although I feel vindicated in my revulsion to what passes for modern comics when I see sales figures and realize that the number of readers it takes to make a "hit" book today (around 100,000) would have gotten a book CANCELLED due to low readership in the 60s and 70s.
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Oh, not the diamond bit - which makes her look as though she'd shatter if you gave it a slight tap - but the mousey, practically milquetoast characterization of Emma. Where did they dig up that actress. If she's the right one to play Emma, I'll be up for an Oscar for my role as Juggernaut.
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but i think i'm "up" for it.
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nailed during a night out.
ok honey suck my dick,and u will get a part in the movie.hmm i am thinking about emma frost.she isnt part of the wolvies comic origin,but we can threw her in the movie.who gives a fuck about the fans anyway.now start sucking. -
Nigella Lawson is HOT! I never heard of her but Stuntcock Mike has my gratitude for pointing her out to me!
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and I've seen a lot of post from people about this movie criticizing this thinking as if it was their decision just like Harry did with Emma. BUT Wolverine's bone claws make absolute perfect sense and although I think Marvel is usually a mess editorially speaking I believe they knew his claws were bone since at least the early 90's. Marvel Comics presents Weapon X is a fantastic read and if you read it you'll notice the scientist were surprised by Logan's claws. They were surprised by them even in the 90's cartoon! I honestly believe it was a long brewing plan to reveal his bone claws when Magneto tore his metal out. I consider it an ingenious master stroke by what was once the House of Ideas. You don't see much stories like that anymore. Especially ones that make you interested in Wolverine more then people already were.
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She turns all glittery and it ruins the whole movie for you? If you want the comic, read the comic. Let the filmmakers do what they do, man.
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So f'n what!!!!If you don't like it then create your own characters and make a comic out of it. All that bitch about these characters being fucked up owns no rights to them so just let it go. A the end of the day theor just comics..jeez.
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She's got this fucking amazing English accent that reduces mortal men's balls to warm butter.
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How about "Why is Wolverine the tallest Xman?" I don't care how much you love Jackman's performances, a tall Wolverine makes no sense. He's named "Wolverine" in large part because he's . . . um . . . not tall! I think you're a little late to the party on this one.
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Well, I disagree about the potty humor (always room for that!) but yeah, there's a few too many misogynistic imbeciles on here that, despite how much they write it, they ain't ever gonna "plow" nothing except their pillow, "hit" nothing except the palm of their hand, and they use these movie talkbacks to vent a little of that pent-up aggression. At least that's better than them being out and about, behind the wheel of their souped-up rice rockets, playing fast and furious in their heads on city streets, looking for poor, unsuspecting and outta their league girls to harass.
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Two cocks up.
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i think i ll start watching her cooking show ;)
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O wait. I went back in time for a second. Sorry.
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It begins with them. They never made guidlines for this kind of stuff. They do it all the time remember Trask!
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I'd pound her snatch...Oh and this movie looks horrible.
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K, most of us know that typical hollywood CAN NOT make a decent superhero/comics film.....only happens every once in awhile...hate all you want, dis people all you want, but the first two X films were OK..... just OK. Superman and Superman 2 were good, Conan was very good, Transformers was good, Iron Man was good, '89 Batman was decent, Returns too much going on... Begins was ok, and sorry, but Dark Knight was just OK.... second Hulk was pretty good, Hellboy, Watchmen(yep, liked it) Blade, Ghost Rider(actually was good) and I kinda liked Judge Dredd. I think those were pretty good flicks.......NOW, the suckage..and I mean SUCKAGE...Superman Returns, first Hulk, non Keaton Batmans, Daredevil, Elektra, both FF4, Catwoman(what a fuckin' atrocity), Captain America(1990), X-men 3, Spiderman 2 and the fucking unbeleivable shitstorm Spiderman 3, Blade 2 and 3, all 3 Punishers, Alien vs. Predator, Barb Wire, Spawn. There are more out there, but if you want to talk about totally screwing canon and fucking destroying what we hold dear.... the Spiderman movies have to be the worst shit ever made, and I hate them for fucking that all up!!! and Kirsten Dunst is NOT Mary Jane.... that is one of the worst castings ever, she fucking stunk. so please give us a break with bitching about Emma Frost casting bad...... but in the other scheme here, whether it will or won't make money.... here's your true answer....the awful, heart wrenchingly bad, pure fucking shithole, bastard piece of moron filmaking Spiderman 3, made $300 million plus !!! and that was with a "Brokeback Mountain" ending.....
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I really never understood why Ratner got so much shit for simply finishing what Singer started, which was a pretty liberal take on the mythos. I mean, Sabertooth and Wolvie don’t appear to have any real relationship in the first film, Rogue goes from being a southern belle hottie to a barely legal teen, and Cyclops gets regulated to being a stiff, unlikeable prick in just about every scene despite being the true leader in the comics. I’ve enjoyed all the X films for being decent and solid movies but they’ve never been particularly true to the source material. As to Origins, it’s got some decent talent in the mix so we’ll see. If nothing else, the videogame based on the flick is looking ultra-violent and quite good.
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And then there's her – Nigella. I know that for many people, especially men, Nigella's Christmas Kitchen is the highlight of the season. That's because the most important ingredient is Nigella Lawson's cleavage. In this special, Nigella tells us how to deal with Christmas, “the last bastion of traditional cooking.” Apparently, this will involve a good deal of “stirring, stuffing and marinating.” Don't forget "Jacking off"
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oh yes. Her cooking show is basically food porn. They love to show close, airbrushed shots of her 'tasting' her food to a smooth jazz soundtrack. She's definitely part of the 'real women have curves' school, attended by Miracle Laurie and Christina Hendricks. Hmm. Christina, Miracle, and Nigella. There's a fantasy. Um, what movie are we talking about again?
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Conan was a horrible adaptation.it was good as a movie,but as an adaptation? it sucked monkey balls.
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is it me, or does anyone else think that most of these film studios don't know a frackin thing.... a Thor movie makes about as much sense as say... a Catwoman movie with the worlds hottest actress in a skin tight leather suit..... and then CGI her instead....... don't misunderstand, I'm a fan of Thor, just don't see 20 million other people that do... ( figure that is what it takes to make it a success at $10 a pop + $200 million)...
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He built the site, found an audience, got close to studios. Still kept decent amount of integrity though definitely affected at times... but this? Harry, you're supposed to be the uber-nerd, at least publicly. Every kid knows she turns to diamond, and your updated excuse was even lamer.
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Apr 21, 2009 4:14:25 PM CDT
I'D LOVE TO HAVE A TASTE OF NIGELLA'S FISH AND CHIPS
by bringingsexyback
yeah! And I would so hit her plow!
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Her cooking shows in the UK are pretty much loaded with double entendres. She makes cooking, really fucking dirty.
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photo in Entertainment mag and the CGI of his hand looked like crap, I know it's not the movie but still, looked like second grade water color shit.
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an over to cook the foods.hot damn.
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you are correct sir, my mistake, wasn't good adaptation... but a damn good movie...... course I liked Howard the Duck, too......
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tomorrow on South Park.
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Apr 21, 2009 4:20:44 PM CDT
I LIKE WHEN NIGELLA GOES TO THE KITCHEN FOR A MIDNIGHT SNACK
by bringingsexyback
in her nightgown. That's one fridge that won't be nuked anytime soon.
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There is a typically disturbing scene in Jonathan Coe's latest novel, The Closed Circle, in which our tremulously would-be adulterous husband-figure is ironing his shirt in front of the television while a cookery show is in full spate. He sees "an implausibly glamorous young woman, living in an implausibly elegant house, preparing delicious morsels of food while tossing her hair, pouting seductively at the camera and licking traces of butter and sauce off her fingers in a manner so explicitly suggestive of oral sex that he found himself getting an erection while ironing his cuffs for the fifth time." Coe does not sully his prose with unnecessary information and his purveyor of gastro-eroticism is not named. We know who it is, though. More to the point, she knows.
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He is SO FAT.
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While we speak, a copy of her latest oeuvre lies between us, a glowing, tantalising volume rejoicing in its one-word promise, "Feast". On the back cover is a photograph of Lawson, smiling wide-eyed and welcoming into the camera, with her arms around seven large and golden baguettes. The picture says harvest, land of plenty, come in, be my guest. It is also faintly worrying, and I don't know why. Two of the loaves encroach upon her face, the finger and thumb of her left hand are daintily pinching the bottom of one of them. What is wrong with this picture? "Oh God," she says. "I know. Charles took one look at it and said, 'COCK!'"
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THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO SUCK BIG GREEN DONKEY BALLS PAINTED WITH WATER COLORS
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Again, not to hammer this point too much, but comic to film adaptations work when the writers 'get' the characters. It's not about changing details and origin stories per se. I had no problem with the 're-imagining' of Rogue, because they got the essence of the character. Even though they screwed Cyclops, they got the gist of his character. If only Marsden would have had the chance to develop Scott into the true strategic leader he should have been in the X-movies, instead of just being a dick to Logan and pining over Jean. But they got the essence of Scott's relationship with Jean and Xavier. Even Nightcrawler, who started out as shy and contemplative, could have developed into the swashbuckling hero he was meant to be. There was nothing there that would have been contradictory. Jean, Xavier, Magneto and the relationships between them, again, despite changes, they got right. Despite the height factor, they got the basics of Wolverine, especially his relationship to the kids and Rogue. Even in the much-hated (especially by me) X3, I felt like Beast and Kitty Pryde mostly worked as characters. Where they missed the boat: Although Storm has her moments as a teacher, as written and acted, she was not the noble, 'goddess' character she should have been. Mystique should have been more than a sidekick. Especially in X3, she should have held her own against Magneto when she turned human. Mutant or not, she's still a bad ass assassin and conniver in her own right. Iceman was all wrong. I guess they needed a teen angst representative, but he would have been much more effective as a wise-cracking kid who was hiding those issues (think Xander from Buffy), then as a broody lovesick emo boy. In fact, I'd level the same criticism at the Toby Maguire Spider-Man - most of the time, anyway. and the less said about the non-characterizations of Angel (again, would have been better if he was a snobby, rich pretty boy hiding the angst, instead of putting it on display), Colossus, and most of Magneto's crew in all of the movies, especially Sabretooth, Callisto, and 'Kid Omega'(??!!). Toad changed but he's such a malleable character, at least Ray Park gave him some personality. This is why Emma Frost being so different is enough to make you wonder if it was just a random mutant that they decided to call Emma Frost, instead of actually doing justice to the character.
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Apr 21, 2009 4:30:43 PM CDT
Fucking Batali would suck anything if ti had gravy on it.
by stuntcock mike
Unprofessional. On the other hand, Catherine Jheon? Professional.
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"How to get an erection from looking at hot ass while your Wife is in the same room"
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http://tinyurl.com/ce9dn6
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From Wikipedia:
Diamond form
During the destruction of Genosha, Frost developed a secondary mutation: the ability to transform herself into a perfectly smooth, flexible, translucent diamond state. In this form Frost is nigh-invulnerable and can support incredible amounts of weight, though different writers have shown varying accounts of her strength. Emma's diamond body is virtually tireless as she does not produce fatigue poisons and has no need for water or food. She is also numbed from all emotion and empathy, "impervious to cold" and resistant to heat in this form. Though the exact location of the flaw in her diamond body has not been stated outright, clues point to it being located in between her eyes. -
... how did the franchise fall so hard? Stryker and Nightcrawler were the shit. Storm, Rogue and Cyclops always sucked my fucking taint though.
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I mean, damn- that actress is really fucking hot. Like Meagan Fox hot...
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I mean, damn- that actress is really fucking hot. Like Meagan Fox hot...
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when you change things for no reason at all, or as the filmaker or whoever changes them for "artistic" reasons then you fuck up what should be no brainer stuff... case in point: Spiderman's Mary Jane. they fucked her character up so much that in the movie she was Mary Jane, Gwen Stacy and Felicia Hardy all rolled up !! now that is the kind of shit that causes us to hate these movies anf the no-talent fucks that make them and allow to be made.
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Apr 21, 2009 4:37:54 PM CDT
I GET AN ERECTION WATCHING "DOWN HOME WITH THE NEELEYS"
by bringingsexyback
Nothing sexier than juicy chicken on a hot grill. Giada ... close second.
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I think you have very well encapsulated the problem with the movie treatment of the X-Men. The powers are relatively unimportant compared to the core personality of the characters.
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...by Harry no longer writing for it. He is, without a doubt, the weakest link here, by every discernible measure.
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A pear would fall out of her shit-cutter.
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Watch the workprint and be done with it harry...
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that the core elements of a comic character should be maintained during the translation from the comic to the movie medium.
but i dont think that the powers are less important,well at least for some characters.the powers in some way is a part of their personality definition.
for instance wolverine cant be the same character without his claws and his feral nature.u can remove his adamantium skeleton and his regenerative ability,but u have to keep his claws.otherwise he wont resemble his original comic character at all,even if he looks and acts like wolverine. -
Even when FHM airbrushed the living fuck out of her photo shoot, she was just 'ok.' I will admit that she's cute, but Nigella Lawson could have my abortion anyday.
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happy bday to you and your sultry panties!
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"Oh I don't care about the FAN FAVORITES they raped and threw in the movie, but OMG THEY TOUCHED UPON A CHARACTER THAT CLAREMONT BARELY DEVELOPED AND THAT IS UNFORGIVABLE"
Christ I hate nitpicking fucks who bitch and moan about shit that they don't even know about, and when they're busted they continue to moan anyway.
Next time you lazy bastard, use Wikipedia instead of posting a thing on the main page. Or at least keep it to your twitter feed.
For all your posturing about "AICN IS FOR THIS AND THAT AND BLARGH BLAH BLAH" your ranting about something on a site that's supposed to be about up to date info on movies and interviews and the like, you sure do bend the rules to your favor a lot. -
Really? Did you just list Ghost Rider as a good adaptation? You've just lost credibility with 99% of humans with brains. Retards don't count
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Someone else might have come to this conclusion, but might she be a version of Diamond Lil from Wolverines Alpha and Beta Flight days? Yes, she didn't turn into a diamond, but maybe the filmmakers wanted to go with someone with a power that was much more visual and decided to combine her with Emma Frost's powers?
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Hm. So the Clark of the 40's might've gone back to the bar and beat the guy up. But the Clark of the 60's / 70's wouldn't. Oh, he might show up a Supes and teach him a lesson, probably using psychology or "super-hypnosis", but he wouldn't have beaten the crap out of him. Which is sort of my point. When we're talking about comic movies, it depends on your "jumping-on" point. Example: Huge fan of Spider-man since the 60's, Lee and Ditko are gods. But Bendis' "Ultimate" run was superior in every way. And the movies, which I loved, (and so did Harry, for the most part) totally fucked the MJ/Gwen continuity to an extent that this Emma Frost crap will never approach. Fetishes aside and as hot as she is, she's a minot character. Get Wolvie and Sabertooth right and I'll be happy.
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For a small few (usually much older people), the X-Men will always be the original five and prof X from the Kirby and Lee days (and Thomas and Adams); for others it will be the New X-Men of Byrne and Claremont; and for others it will be the later runs by Morrison, Whedon and others that will be the definitive X-Men run. No matter what, not everyone will be happy.
Personally, I am of the Byrne/Claremont camp, and look at that as the definitive run. Sure, it was the X-Men I grew up with, but it also was the one that did the most work establishing the characters of the most popular members and established the themes that are still used today. The original X-Men were mostly a metaphor for the generation gap; the New X-Men of the 70s and 80s were a metaphor for those excluded from society, be it race, ethnicity of sexuality. It was Byrne and Claremont who made them the great social metaphor they became IMO. -
For some reason, I always feel that X2 was very overrated. I always preferred the first film and to a much lesser extent, X3. Strange.
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"i'm just the cook"
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waaaaah waaaah!
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That Black Eyed Peas guy? What the fuck?
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He comes off like a super nice guy and a family man in this cable TV promo spot, where he talks about X-Men lore and his kids' reaction to him playing a superhero; he showed a clip from WOLVERINE. It was a scene where his character confronts Sabertooth over indiscriminate killing and they come to blows. It looked TERRIBLE; furthermore it had an unfinished, rough quality to it (sort of like Death Proof, but not on purpose) yet the thing is being released in a week and a half. I see a big opening weekend and then this sinks like the Titanic.
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Apr 21, 2009 5:34:54 PM CDT
"Fox News Fires Reporter Over Illegal 'Wolverine' Movie Review"
by xbagboy
I guess that reporter did get fired after all.
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Maybe it isn't as bad as it seems. Wait a minute. What am I saying. It's probably WORSE.Oh, Harry, I hear your pain!
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That way, I can add two years and look forward to a proper X-Men movie...
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...and Rothman. Goes without saying, really.
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Major deviations from the source material can be attributed to Bryan Singer.It was Singer that made a 5-foot, ugly 60-something into a 6-foot, 30-something chick magnet.It was Singer that made an orthodox Catholic priest into a self-mutilating pagan.It was Singer that made Rogue into a screaming little girl.It was Singer that put a 15+ year gap between Scott and Jean.On and on. Yet it took X3 for all the hate to finally come out. Sure, Harry was off about this not being a faithful adaptation of the character's abilities, but even then overall canon and the character's own arc have still been dicked with.I don't see this as anything but a logical progression in the Adventures of Knifey-boy and his Mostly Mundane Friends.
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I can't believe Harry wrote enough to inspire this level of venom.
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With Whedon's Astonishing, it was pretty clear with some specific references that he was nostalgic for the Claremont days (esp. with the focus on Kitty), but with some updating. Also, his was somewhat a reaction to Morrison ('the leather was starting to scare people'), while also continuing some of Morrison's themes, like the secondary mutation. What Morrison did was take X-Men in a completely different direction. It was no longer about the social metaphor, and more about evolution, "post-humanism" and the like. It was much more sci-fi, and Warren Ellis' new Astonishing carries on in that vein, somewhat. But with Frank Quitely's artwork, it was much more interesting and quirky than the mostly airbrushed pin-up stuff done in most of the X-titles nowadays (and renditions of Emma are the biggest culprit). The thing is that Morrison did something so different with what had become such a stagnant formula, most of the writers after him didn't have the creativity or the balls to carry it on. Instead, they went back to the same cliches. Outside of the glory days of Peter David's 2nd X-Factor run a few years ago, none of the X-titles have been very good lately. Messiah Complex was a mess, for instance. It's too bad that the X films didn't take more from Morrison, and been braver with things. I still love Whedon's idea for an X film (god, I wish he had taken that job). Oddly enough, he wouldn't have included the cure storyline that was taken from his own run. Instead, he has said, he wouldn't have added new characters, but concentrated on the ones we had, keeping it simple. He would have developed the Dark Phoenix storyline more gradually, and have the whole thing about the powers being more out of control and the struggle to rein them in. Wolvie gets more feral, Rogue starts sucking the life out of people (maybe some equivalent to the Ms. Marvel storyline, where Rogue absorbs somebody so much it drives her insane), and of course Jean getting too powerful. Which would then necessitate a Sentinel program. Not some cheap ass 'Danger Room' simulation. Perhaps the Cure could have been saved for the end or the next movie, but Cyclops certainly wouldn't go out like a punk. He would have been a main character. Sigh. What could have been.
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Huh? Do you mean Nightcrawler? They found him in a church, and he talked about God and angels. How does this make him a pagan?
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...as long as a good movie is made. Donner's Superman deviated from Superman canon as did Burton's Batman yet both were well received and popular, even today. All signs point to WOLVERINE being a turd. Sorry, Hugh. Maybe as a producer you should have protected your movie from studio interference a bit better.
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sorry, those photoshopped pictures do not do Nigella justice. She's much more of a woman than some skinny-ass Playboy model.
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I fucking LOVE nerds arguing over tiny details, remakes, re-imaginings, etc. I got hooked during the LOTR talkbacks, and relapsed in the Transformers clusterfuck.
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The X-Men movies have been terrible, i haven't liked a single one of them. They changed so much about the characters, it wasn't the X-Men we all know and love. When i saw the first movie i felt so cheated. They should have respected the characters, and the costumes! It was as if the film makers thought it was too childish or ridiculous, so they had to change it. Idiots! The ruined it! So I completely understand Harry's reaction, even if it's not completely right of him cause he didn't investigate enough before going berzerk. I think it's an overreaction due to being so let down by the X-Men movie franchise. Harry simply can't take it anymore and needed to speak up. I completely understand, although from now on i will take his words with a bigger pinch of salt. He is only human after all, like us, and makes mistakes.
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Has anyone mentioned Age Of Apocalypse yet?
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Why are you surprised? Fox eats dingleberries. They dotn understand the Marvel characters (look at the Xmen shit movies) and they dont care about the fans. Otherwise they wouldnt have cast Jackman as Logan to begin with. This movie will feltch deadmen's assholes. Truly!
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From the movie spoiler. All I read about it sounds like just complete ass and there is a cameo at the end that will piss us off even further. This movie is going to be a piece of shit. I'm going in with my expectations very, very low. Apparently there is also something at the very ass end of the credits. Just remember as a consolation, we only have a week after this fetid piece of garbage that we get the first REAL hit of the summer with Star Trek.
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I'm right there with you Harry. My guilty pleasure in the late '90s was Generation X and LOVED that they brought in hardcore sexpot Emma Frost as an instructor. Since those days, I guess a lot has changed. Watching that new Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon series on Nickelodeon I was freaked out by seeing her turn into a shiny diamond version of Iceman.
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The New X-Men series was when Emma got the Diamond skin and it's possibly the best incarnation of the X-Men since the classic Claremont days. I don't think putting it in the movie should make anyone upset.
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Seriously dude this is rediculous I can't stand when people rant about things without doing prior research that is annoying!!!
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I don't know shit about comics. And I don't pretend I do. So reading a rambling, punctuation and grammar deficient diatribe (in other words: your basic Harry Knowels article) about how Fox screwed up just to find out he is worng... well that is just priceless. You should just delete the entry.
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I got to admit, while I might not always agree with you (although a lot of the time I do) you always have something insightful to say about the X-Men and the movies.
Personally, I am not a big fan of Morrison's run or the idea of secondary mutation (just like I was not a fan of Singer's X-Men because I felt it focused on mutants as a metaphor for being gay way to exclusively, IMO). I admit freely that it has to do with me being an old time X-Men fan and I always thought mutants should follow Stan Lee's guideline that mutants (for the most part) have only one power (the eXtra ability that gives them the name X-Men). Sure there are side effects such as Wolverine having a great sense of smell thanks to his healing factor or the Blob having immovability to go along with his invulnerable and resilient fatty hide; or characters who are the exception (such as Nightcrawler having heightened agility, demonic appearance and teleportation), but for the most part everyone has just one power.
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Heroin is much to dreamy and syrupy...and there are substitutes for it. Nope, AICN Talkback is more like Meth and Crack; hard hitting, foul,and there isn't a methadone like substitute for them, or this.Ever since the Tards at Yahoo shut down their boards...this became one of the last free boards left to rant, rave, howl, and flame...and Thank God it exists. If for nothing else, I thank Harry for providing this space for us to talk shop, and smack...it is the last of its kind.Now if they'd just stop randomly banning people.
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They use chicken livers to divine who the gods want banned. It isn't random at all.
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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOCCCCCKKKKIIIIIINNNGGGGG
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No amount of reworking, or a extra 15 minutes will turn Wolverine into a Good movie. I've seen the WP, in my opinion it isn't as bad as Transformers, but it is NOT good by anyone's standards.
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I always thought they just picked names out at random, rolled the bones...or asked ScriptGirl which one of us she hated most.
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We ALL SAID THIS SHIT ALREADY!!!! We all watched the workprint (those of us who aren't plants or tools) and I think we all came to the conclusion that FOX DOES NOT GIVE A FLAMING SHIT ABOUT THEIR FANS OR PROPERTIES!! Some of us who pay more attention than other came to this conclusion probably around the days of DAREDEVIL and have never looked back. Some people think there's still hope...there isn't.
Emma Fucking Frost is the LEAST of the atrocities that this movie commits against the source material. Anyone with 1/10th of a working brain should have known this would be shit from day one. It took Harry over a year filled with script leaks, shitty trailer, even worse posters and the grand finale..THE ENTIRE MOVIE LEAKED!!! If they SUPPOSEDLY reshot 15 minutes of this and changed Deadpool and whatnot, why are all the trailers with finished FX shots USING THE SAME FUCKING FOOTAGE?!?! This film SUCKS BALLS!!! Accept that fact and let it die, Harry.
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Harry is indeed wrong about her powers. Forgot to mention that in that whole little explosion of rage above, haha. I'll be taking that Geek Membership Card now, Harry.
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—If you've never read any Grant Morrison material, then please avail yourself to the trade paperback collections. Frost's mutation was explained in his "New X-Men" series which was a major reboot to make the characters shed the nostalgia of Clairmont's cold war 80's era vision, as it internalized the social conflicts for the 21st Century and the late nineties teen generation. Geezus. Your rant sounds too much like my friend who bitches about "The Ultimates" because of the Sam Jackson inspired Nick Fury. Funny how prescient these writers are when identifying new archetypes and utilize (I'll quote Morrison) "…the language of symbol and metaphor…” to expand on the ideas of Kirby and company, while commenting on the observable world. Think about how the mutation of Emma Frost is based in character, how it is a manifestation of her personality externalized and you can easily see the entire POINT of the change. Do you have a problem with Morrison's JLA because it's not drenched in nostalgic excess? Should we complain because "Animal Man" is late 80's Post–Modernism and doesn't revive the 60's camp? Let's leave the nostalgia to Adrien Veidt.
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I always imagined that they looked at her like she was the Oracle of Delphi and thought she could talk to the gods of geekdom. Instead she was just being vindictive.
"The Gods have said that Kurzinski Valentine must now be banned!" -
they have their own gravitational pull
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If the makers of the X-men movies spent half as much time as Hugh does sculpting his perfectly formed body then maybe we'd have some good X-Men movies. I mean Wolverine is probably one of the hardest characters to get right and Hugh nailed it, more so then probably any other comic book movie actor.
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To not get upset over Hollywood's treatment of 4th tier characters. The White Queen, Deadpool? Who really cares?
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And saying otherwise shows a total lack of understanding for the character. Hes certainly the closest in the first film, as the series goes on he ceases to play Wolverine even and is something much closer to Cyclops, and in the latest film he's out right horrible, playing a bland ill defined character. Jackman is FAR too light for the character. Wolverine is, in his best iterations, much closer to an old school Clint Eastwood. Anything else is a poor interpretation.
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She's not even the White Queen, she's just some random mutant that turns to diamond and doesnt display any telepathic powers whatsoever thrown in there for idiot fanboy wanking. Anyone who eats that shit up is a moron.
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..we begin debating the fuckability of Food Network stars. I still stand by Giada, bobble head and all. She makes killer food, has the best rack on TV and eats her food like she's giving it head. Win, win and win. Bonus points for being the grand-daughter of the producer of Army of Darkness.
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It IS the best presented rack on Food TV, but hardly the best. So damn tiny. But she pushes it out there at ever possible instance. One helluva wonderbra going for her, but she does not even have best on food network. Sandra Lee has a better rack, but alas does not show it. Paula Deen has a bigger rack, but has bigger everything else too. Don't get me wrong, Giada is the hottest, but does not have the rackage to merit having them called the best. Oh, yeah I'm still going to see the Wolverine movie.
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Smokin
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I have deep respect for you in most ways, but it's hard to take anybody seriously who can look me in the eye and say that Chris Claremont is a better writer than Grant Morrison.
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Tiny? She's rocking at least a C cup, man. Sandra Lee might have looked good 15 years ago but she hasn't aged well at all. Plus her food fucking sucks and she's a bore to listen to as well as look at. Like a leathery Barbie Doll who's on her 3rd loveless marriage. And Paula Dean is in no way involved in this debate, hahaha.
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My only hope is that she is never called EMMA FROST in the movie - and that her character has less than 3 minutes on camera... Hmmm, you mean just like she's isn't called Emma Frost and just like she has less than three minutes of screen time? I mean I only know that because I saw the workprint, but hey, good guess anyways... tell your producer buddy I said he's a douche and makes shitty movies.
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Knowles, how can you distinguish how superior one X-men run is to another if you havent even read what you're comparing?
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Having Jackman play Wolverine again in 20-25 years (hunched over, preferably) is going to be pretty cool.
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You are right, tiny was the wrong choice of words. But, I stand by my assessment that they are not the best on Food network. Have you seen Nigella Lawson? And how can you not have love for Paula Deen? She is pillow soft!
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How can anyone possibly think Morrison is a good writer? This is the guy who made Magneto, the epitome of equal and opposite to the X-Men's view...not to mention probably THE greatest villain in comics, and reduced him to a fucking drug addict that infiltrates the X-Men by being in disguise. That is NOT Mags....that is blatant disregard for a character and lazy writing. I'm not even a DC fan, but after reading Final Crapsis, I wanted to hunt that fucker down and sing him a song to defeat him. No, wait! I wanted to kick his ass...singing a song is how he wrote Superman's part in saving the multi-blahblah. Grant Morrison is an overrated tool, and what's he doing next? Re-writing the characters that the Watchmen were based on, in a similar tone...fucking coat-tail riding no-talent ass-clown.
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Emma Frost does have the power to turn into diamond in the comics! Dont you fucking know anything, or do research to know what the hell you're writing about in your ridiculous rants?
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White Queen and Deadpool are not 4th tier. White Queen is featured prominently in almost all X-books and is second in command. Deadpool is very popular and hilarious, and has his own successful solo ongoing series. They may be 4th tier to the non-comic reader because they aren't Wolvie or Spidey, but they are well-defined characters and respectable in their own right.
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Keep on blazing that trail for angry anonymous nerds everywhere.
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All that for Emma Frost? Are you kidding me?
As far as "creative licensing" goes with continuity, yeah, so they at WORST messed with some of the continuity. Big Friggin Deal. Compared to other movie adaptation sins, this is WAAAAY off anyone's list (except for yours, obviously).
Seriously, you gotta give them laxity for something like this. They made bigger changes to every single other character in this film. Same for pretty much every other comic book film. A comic book does not translate perfectly onto the big screen. Ever. That's why they're called ADAPTATIONS.
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Apr 21, 2009 9:24:24 PM CDT
As an Aussie there was one thing Clairemont did that fucked
by white_vader
X-men for me back when I was a kid - actually two. First was his truly shit writing, with every fucking background character/passerby uttering over-the-top exclamations even Stan Lee wouldn't use. Every second person was like, "oh holy Mary mother of my anointed lord NOOOOO!". Secondly I knew he was a bullshitting big-arse FAKE when supposedly the X-Men were dead so they hid out in AUSTRALIA, where apparently the whole country is the outback (and I could have sworn that 90something percent of us lived in developed coastal cities), and more than that, not an actual Aussie outback but an American Old West ghost town, which is apparently the right euphemism for Australia. That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I bet he fooled most American Fuckwit Comic fans though, judging by what I read above. Chris Clairemont, you fuckwit faker.
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fox+comic book movies+millions wasted to make em=badly done films which make rich motherfuckers richer and happy and leave everyone else feeling like they been kicked in the head or the balls which ever they prefer,usual both!!!
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xmen 1,2 and 3 sucked,yep xmen 2 was better than 1 and 3 but thats not really saying much!!!the to do list for mavel buy back the rights from fox and remake it then no one will rejoce in the bullshit of fox,now if only life was that simple lol.
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Dude, you aint read X-Men books in a decade and you're ranting about a modern X-Movie...
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i started supporting "The Pirates" after X3. I aint never gonna be screwed by Fox again, and i am so glad that i'm not gonna pay for this crap of a movie.
Fox started sodomising the fans way back, and now Hugh Jackman is in on the act. As Jackman had creative and script control, you can say this $ whore sold us out big time. And Fox just used this movie to 'introduce' a 1001 other mutants just so they can have their very own spin-off franchise.
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apparently dyes his hair and grows it out and gets worse at acting between this flick and X1.
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But as an Aussie living in Japan, dealing with many American colleagues, they arent the most worldly group of people. Have met many Americans whose sole venture out of their country was to Cancun in Mexico, then come to Japan and complain about how people don't speak their language here.
Further to that, its kind of common in basic forms of fiction or entertainment that when they leave their base country, and visit other countries they only show the stereotype, i.e. in the case of Japan, having everyone wear kimono's, everyone practicing a form of martial arts and living in old samurai houses, rather than the reality of Japanese living in a compact apartment, wearing modern clothing in a concrete "jungle" that is Tokyo.
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Jesus Christ, kid. Calm the fuck down.
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You people are by far the crassest, most annoying louts ever to spread across the globe. You make Americans look like Canadians.
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I have no idea what that means, but it made me laugh. Cheers sir.
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Stop with Deadpool, his series have never made it and no one cares. I was being generous when I called him 4th tier. In terms of popularity he's somewhere between Blue Devil and Moon Knight. If he get's his own movie it will be another Elektra.
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Is that Harry can't delete it without looking like an even fatter turd with zero credibility. These are the kinds of posts that cause real journalists and critics to laugh at sites and blogs like this. OMG - they presented the character exactly as some fans would remember it but not like me quasi-fan with a grudge does...murder FOX executives tonight!!DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH YOU FUCKING NIMROD!
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...let me add the word "racist" to MiketheSpike's rant against Aussies. Despite what many of them may think, Aboriginals are people too.
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Don't forget about all the nasty Lebs that are clogging up their beaches!
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is why i don't read comics. NO ONE can keep up with all the myriad intricate details - it's like trying to reconcile the conflicts in the Bible. and in the case of comics, in the end, IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!
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Apr 21, 2009 11:09:25 PM CDT
wasnt Claremont the guy that kept making Rogue say "ya'll"
by bmacsmith
when she was talking to one person? that was really annoying. Its a contraction of "you" and "all". As a guy from the south, I'm a big fan of that word, and hate to see it used incorrectly. pretty amateur stuff.
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He's a bad muthafucka - The Merc with a Mouth - That's my nigga!
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As is Fox As is Wolverine As is Harry and his X-Men knowledge.
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Apr 21, 2009 11:28:40 PM CDT
By the way, I agree about Harry as MOJO
by joancrawfords_coathanger_abortionsauce
they are both a disgustingly huge spineless sack of shit attached to a mechanical device that moves them around, and spend their entire time in front of televisions that rule their rotten minds.
And for Spiral I guess Patricia AKA Cool Cuts Yoko would be perfect, since they are both useless near-lobotomized diseased skanks. -
Wolverine should be played like an old school Clint Eastwood. I love X2 and all, but even I was disappointed with just how damn "soft" Jackman/Wolverine played the end when Jean died. I was like, sniffles, really?
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not actually insulting anybody, just a play on words. First, secondary mutation was not about giving characters 'extra powers' but to show how they were changing, and becoming less human, or post-human, possibly distancing them further from those they have sworn to protect. This relates to the whole U-Men thing - people who undergo extreme surgery to get a mutation (pretty much a commentary on the current surgical lifestyle). Anyway, you can wallow in Lee/Claremont nostalgia as much as you want. There's a good 30 years or so of that material. But X-Men needs to grow and change, which is exactly what Morrison did. Now it wasn't perfect - I agree the Morrison's Magneto was waay over the top and the final arc made little sense, and the whole Weapon XI thing was strange, but at least he had the balls to try something different. And the first few arcs were great. Your Mom's A Cylon, if you hate Morrison so much, you obviously haven't read Animal Man (which I argue DOES deal with 60s camp, but with a post-modern sensibility), Doom Patrol, and The Invisibles, three of the most brilliant comics ever written. Either that, or you're a lunkhead. Haven't read Morrison's current DC stuff, but those 3 titles withstand the test of time as classics.
And Contintentaltop, can't remember if I've had this debate before with you or someone else (somebody's always bringing it up), but I will argue until I'm blue in the face against the claim that Singer's X-Men was nothing but a gay metaphor. They played up that conceit with exactly ONE character in ONE movie - Bobby in X2. Just because there was 1 out gay actor (McKellen) and one bi actor (Cummings), and Singer is gay, does not somehow make the entire franchise into a gay metaphor. If anything, the first movie especially was the MLK/Malcolm X conflict between Xavier and Magneto. As I've said, you can choose to read the gay subtext, but that's only one of many possible interpretations. -
Harry pretending he hasn't watched the workprint.
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Scenes of Avatar have screened in selected places, according to the Spanish blog, Uruloki. Let me translate: "According to a non disclosure agreement signed upon admission to the screening, the only thing my source has been able to tell me is one sentence, that by itself places my expectations for Cameron's film at an indescribable level. I cite my source: the spectator will enjoy a unique cinematographic experience. Avatar condenses the rich creativity of Star Wars with the epic adventure of LOTR and with all the doses of state of the art brought to us by The Matrix. He assures me that the CGI is so brutally spectacular, that it is impossible to differentiate a digitally created character from a real character, and that the 3D is of such a superlative level that it makes you feel part of the set." Sounds nice, eh?
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First Harry shows that he doesn't know his x-men shit, goes all apologetic about it in the talkbacks and then gets railed by every other talkbacker for his lack of knowledge. Gives more material to douchebags like Devin Faraci from CHUD to mock AICN even more. Only thing that would make this shit even better is more Bale, right professionals?
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Apr 22, 2009 12:10:38 AM CDT
Jesus - Know your damn material before you nerdrage and look lik
by cheesylover
Frost has been incredibly popular and the only reason she's even in the film is she has a made a lot of new fans since she joined the X-Men and gained the ability to turn to diamond.
Now you're complaining about continuity? What about Beast and his blue fur, what about Cyclops DYING. Continuity my ass, they're movies and should be treated as seperate.
I have been browing around this site for a few years now, watching you brown nose abominations like AOTC, Indy4 and many more. You decide whether you're going to like a film LONG before you see it, and hand out brown nosing to anyone who invites you to a premier. You're a fucking joke of a reviewer and stuff like this is the proof. -
Until you've tried it. I LOVE old school Claremont as well. I bought Uncanny X-Men Omnibus and it is amazing. But Grant Morrison really knocked it out of the park on New X-Men, and even admits he was biting on the Clearmont/Cockrum/Byrne stuff. Check it out! It got me back into comics after an eight year hiatus.
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Too bad I have zero tolerance for any kind of 3D. Bad eyes be damned! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!! Oh well... Hope it's enjoyable in 2D also.
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His "I'm sorry" was one of those false, ironic apologies in the "Oh I'm sorry, you're such an idiot!" sense. He should have been a man and apologized for his mistake and admitted making a huge error *in* the story. Right now he just looks like a hypocritical asshole.
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"Harry didn't really apologize"
True, this 'well it exists in one time in one type of x-men, but I HATE IT ANYWAY'. What kind of retraction is that? It takes a big man to admit when you're wrong, and I guess Harry is small, small and ginger.
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I just got a PS3 today. I'm posting this from my bedroom TV. Technology truly is amazing these days, isn't it?
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Here's the thing, I like the Wolverine comics when they were mostly set in Japan.
So if the movie isnt mostly set in Japan, I'm gonna wail on the fucker. How dare they make a movie based that isnt based on my favourite run of comics!
That is Harry's new excuse for the stupidity of this post 'well I liked giant sized'. -
To clarify you memory, yes we did have "X-Men=gay metaphor" debate. The final verdict, if you remember, was that I found that it had too much and too obvious of mutant as gay metaphor but you felt that the metaphors could work for other disenfranchised groups (the young, other ethnic groups, religions, etc.). In the end we agreed to disagree because film is a subjective medium. At least that is how I remember we ended it (which could be subjective).
And just in case you thought I was dissing Morrison, I was just saying that I couldn’t get into his run as much as I could the Claremont/Byrnes days. Yes, having the X-Men becoming even more unlike there human cousins and have them be metaphors for post/trans-humans is an interesting concept, but it didn’t work for me (emphasis on "me"). Maybe the reason is because I grew up on a diet of Marvel characters, and especially the X-Men, as a metaphor for current issues instead of as about something that has yet to happen (transhumanism and posthumanism). While there are no mutants in the world, there is bigotry, intolerance, homophobia and prejudice; however, there currently is no trans or posthumans.
I am not criticizing anyone who likes Morrison’s run. I am just stating that it didn’t work for me, and the reasons why. I am also explaining what type of X-Men and Wolverine stories I would prefer, which I imagine might very well be different from yours.
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Apr 22, 2009 12:20:43 AM CDT
Its ironic, cheesylover, bc Harry is in fact a very LARGE ginger
by d.vader
It takes a big man to admit he's wrong. Apparently, Harry isn't big enough.
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Yeah true, one of those "your'e right, but I'm righter (although I'm completely wrong)" apologies. And hypocritical is Nothing new around here... Remember Godzila? This kinda reminds me of that, only much smaller in scale. Still hilarious.
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If you morons actually READ my post you'd see I was only insulting Clairemont and inbred American Comic Fans, not all Americans. As for Aboriginals, you do realise that word inherently means native, not necessarily native Australians don't you? Of course you don't. And you saying Aussies are racist to their indigenous population (what a fucking brainstorm! Thanks for the info, Einstein), I'd bring up people in Glass houses. If you're actually American then I needn't bother even pointing out the obvious analogies. Again nice way to out yourself, whatever the case. It never occurred at any stage you were indulging in a teensy bit of hypocrisy there? And let's not all forget that the English Empire (it wasn't all of Britain after all) make the Nazis and Romans pale into insignificance in terms of arrogance, jingoism and good ol' genocide.
There are plenty of stupid fucking Yanks AND Aussies to go around (though naturally there are more fuckwit Yanks as there are 300 million to choose from as opposed to 20 million Aussies). Try sticking to the point retards and stop unintentionally embarrassing yourself. "Nasty Lebs eh? Nice one.
Miyamoto, I getcha, but if it wasn't your American mates, it'd be Poms with the old deaf/stupid/talk louder in any case confusion, or any pretentious English-speaking country really. Or not even English-speaking - every time I hear tourists complain about being robbed and mugged by locals (in ANY country) I roll my eyes and patiently and politely tell them it may not be wise to advertise their money and swag by snapping pictures as they roll off the bus - wearing the t-shirt advertising the last place they went which is basically a billboard saying "take me!". People are stupid all over. Look at Mike there with the classic racist catchcry "You people" blanket statement! And without making that same mistake myself I must say though that a lot of the time that we English-speakers are the absolute best for racist snivelling about how others congregate instead of integrate, don't learn the language, get around the taxes etc. etc. all the while completely oblivious to the fact they're doing exactly the same thing themselves...
I'm guessing that after decades of X-men comics Mike and Magunga have yet to realise the major metaphor- that brings these posts full circle. Oh the irony... -
For the record, they didn't play it up with just one character in one movie. There weew many other scenes that could be viewed as being a metaphor for being gay, and if someone saw that subtext it them I don't think they would be wrong. Stories about the gay subtext were written in a number of publications, including the Advocate. In fact, this essay does a better job of pointing them out than I ever could:
http://tinyurl.com/d4a44x
And once again, I am not saying it is the ONLY interpretation. I am just saying that it is easy to understand why some people (including myself) saw the X-Men as being a metaphor for being gay (and no, there is nothing wrong with being gay, I just felt the movies focused to much on that group alone at the expense of mutant being a metaphor for all discriminated people).
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'cause I thought Emma Frost's popularity had more to do with nerds getting their rocks off to a stacked chick dressed in fantasy bondage gear, with her "primary mutation" the ability to get fanboys fapfapfapfapping by her very appearance and therefore disabling one hand at least. I don't think we'll hear anyone complaining about nipples on Frost...
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..."the far superior Claremont days" if you haven't read an X-Men comic in the last twenty years? This furious tirade of yours makes you sound like the worst kind of critic - the dismissive critic. Also, you make some cruelly unfair accusations about the integrity of the people behind this film. Even your retraction at the end of the post is snarky and ill-conceived.
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My point was on being worldly, probably more a nationalism issue, even foreign policy issue than race.
I don't think there is any country on this planet that can be high and mighty about race, we all screw up on a very regular basis.
Its been very interesting experience going from being a majority (Person of European Descent) living in Australia, to being such a minority in Japan.
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Only me?
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Does anyone really want to see this vapid pile of pig vomit? Disco Ball Bitch is the least of this movie's worries. Hugh Jackman is starting to look like a young Ben Kingsley in his choice of movies to be in.
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I also enjoyed the Claremont days, but I think humans often look back at something they were fond of when they were younger/in their past and overrate it. I think Harry is doing this with Claremont X-Men, it was entertaining, but its not the greatest piece of literature.
Saw this warped perspective in regards to the Transformers movie as well, some people were viewing the 80's cartoons as Lord of the Rings quality storytelling, rather than a fun, entertaining show which was used to help sell toys. -
Because if he had he would know that Emma Frost whole time on screen can be seen in the trailer.
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No, seriously. They have a lot of hot women (especially Perth).
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X-Men is so Bush administration years. I'm waiting around for the Obama superhero team. The Avengers. Then when Sarah Palin wins in 2012 and the world ends I'll have eternity in hell to watch uncool movies.
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***SPOILERS*** Emma Frost turning into diamonds is just plain stupid, even if it is in the comics. But, what's even worse is how she fits into the movie's story: Remember how Frost is supposed to be one of the most powerful and influential mutants in comics? Well, in the movie she is ...Silverfox's little sister. She has blond hair and uses her "power" to block gunfire from other mutants. That's it. That's all she does. Unless you count the times she talks to SCOTT SUMMERS. Yeah, he's there too. See, he's a teenager who's been kidnapped by Stryker and has been brought to an island with other mutants (including Emma) because Stryker wants to create a SUPER mutant that has all the other mutants powers. Just like Gene Hackman wants to create that blond sun-god guy in SUPERMAN IV. And who is this "super-mutant"? That's right. DEADPOOL. Only, "Deadpool" is basically Ryan Reynolds with katana swords coming out of his wrists (like Logan's claws) and has Scott's power beam, Wraith's teleportation, Wolverine's healing ability, and every other mutant thingy you can think of. How could Logan kill a foe like that, you may ask? Well, by movie magic of course. Yep, Deadpool dies at the end. And Profeesor X shows up (walking) and takes all the other mutants on the island to safety, thus setting up the amazing "first class" prequel. With Emma Frost. Who changes into diamonds. Part of the X-Men first class. So its, Jean, Scott, Beast, and Emma Frost. That's the first class. Written by the guy who created "The O.C.". Thanks a lot film geeks. Oh, and how can Wolverine meet Scott and have his lover (Silverfox) die on him by the hands of Stryker, and be actual BROTHERS with Victor Creed and NOT remember any of this?? Because Stryker shoots him in the head at the end of the movie. Then Logan rides away on his motorcycle, probably into another sequel where Donner and Fox fuck up yet another X-Men storyline. Maybe ...the Hellfire Club? Hmmm...
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Apr 22, 2009 1:26:11 AM CDT
at least harry didnt use the magic bullet in brain made him forg
by s_rorschach
how fuckin lame is that.
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Bone claws? Great. One of my favorite issues was when Magneto ripped off Wolverines adimantium to reveal the bone claws. Emma? Deadpool? Scott Summers? Weapon Zero? SABERTOOTH HATES WOLVERINE BECAUSE SABERTOOTH WAS NEXT IN LINE FOR ADIMANTIUM AND WOLVERINE BLEW UP THE PLACE. That was the most fitting. Especially for a fucking movie. Deadpool. Oh my god poor Deadpool......DEADPOOL!!!! *tears*
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this talkback software hasnt been updated since claremont was on x-men either.
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the point being that Harry is just a huge freaking shitstain with not one goddamn iota of credibility, common sense or intelligence. What a fucking waste of good oxygen. They should have put the lapband around his brain.
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Nice name, it seems that Caps are all the rage these days, additionally did you max out in terms of characters ?
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Am from Perth, there are some nice ladies, but damn hard work, good for a fun night out, but not so much on the relationship front.
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He's a professional enthusiast. You will be disappointed if you think otherwise.
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I was just making a point about CC being a dodgy writer and a few idiots in particular, rather than tarring a whole nation or race with the same brush. Where fools like Mike got mixed up I think was in misreading my being Australian as the obvious reason I called CC's bluff on an appallingly clichéd and arrogant stereotypical and lazy American perspective. That's all. I have American relatives too, I'm not putting everyone in the same damn basket, and one of my best mates in primary school was a full-blood Aboriginal who was part of the stolen generation. BTW Don't anyone lap up the lazy stuff in Baz Luhrmann's "Australia" about it just being the mixed-race kids. And the practice lasted into the Seventies, too. I worked on that flick and I can tell you there's a lot of 'gilding the lily' as they say, and super broad stuff that shouldn't be taken for fact. Originally the ending was 100 times better too, everything made more sense, right back to the start of the movie. Even early on though there was the bizarre contradiction of a generically titled "AUSTRALIA" movie being based on an intrinsically American creative conceit (Somewhere over the rainbow/Wizard of Oz)...
And Continentalop, you are damn right re: The Road Warrior (we call it Mad Max 2 though). I've done stuff for him too and as far as directors go, he's a good guy to work for. I'll still never forgive him for killing the dog though in MM2. That was the best dog ever. What a low blow... ;) -
Can give it a definetely give it a miss now, or make it a drunk boys movie, where we can make fun of stuff and talk about the cute girls
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A fun night out is all I ask for. I just visit for a couple of days, a week at most.
For relationships, it is Mongolian girls all the way - they are asian but tall, they love to take care of you and do things for you, and the ones I have been with have been very kinky. -
I'm not THAT short, but I hardly had to duck walking under her arm at a party a while back...
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Was a pretty good depiction of the "Stolen Generation." I don't know how historically accurate it was, but I thought it was pretty gripping. And "The Proposition" was another great movie from down under.
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Have anyone of the AICN gang admitted to seeing the workprint and if so what were the comments ?
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Lucky guy to be able to even walk under her arm, remember she was up for the Wonder Woman role or something.
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Sadly never got any Mongolian action. Will have to add it to the list of things to do before I die...am sure the wife will understand.
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That it is a Mongolian girl and not a Mongoloid girl. World of difference.
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of Harry peppering everything he writes about with who he's friends with, friendly with, hangs out with etc.
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Comic Book movies rarely follow stories from 30 years ago so precisely.
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When Liev Schreiber playing Sabertooth is the best thing about an X-men movie.
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Think the issue with Harry's connections is that a few years ago, they were the reason they he got so many great scoops. Whereas now they seem to be the reason that Harry/AICN heavily reviews certain properties and doesn't reveal certain scoops.
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Great posts. I seem to remember Chris Clairmont speaking on the Malcolm X/Martin Luther King jr analogy in the late 80's. I think the interview was in Comic Scene(?), but I'd have to check. My point is, the themes within the movie and comics emphasizes the estrangement and alienation of the characters and could be viewed as a 'dual consciousness' narrative; a parallel to the social challenges experienced by any disenfranchised group.
Oh yeah, my bad about Grant Morrison's camp references and post–modern structures in "Animal Man." I don't think I was clear in my last post. -
Anyone surprised after they jammed all these characters together that they didn't just jam Cable in there too? Or maybe they want him for the sequel to this shitstorm?
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Not to offend Kidrobot (great site, fucking awful service) by namedropping again, but yeah I was on JLA too (George, remember?), hence the party, before it all went down. C'est la vie...
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This was supposed to be at the end of the sentence before my mea culpa: so any meaning (homophobia, racism, sexism, etc.) is valid, because all of the alienation issues and estrangement issues are potent narrative strategies, and they make sense for the adolescent world view for the majority of these characters. I think both readings are not only valid but, vital to that particular story world.
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Yeah, but I don't think it's drawing a long bow to make the connection between X-Men and, well, illegal aliens...
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how much do you actually need to 'interpret' or 'read into' when they're so blatant as to have whole story arcs about mutants/aliens/different races being outlawed/illegal/hunted/alienated etc. etc. Not like there's much connecting the dots really, even as a kid.
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Absolutely. It's strange though—are the ideas of writers like Morrison and Ellis too intimidating? I'd love to see an attempt. Hell, we all remember "Global Frequency," right? Oh wait—!
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100% accurate. It is austrailias darkest chapter.
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...is Yahoo Serious.
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I thought that geeks hated topical stories in comic book movies.
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...for the compliment.
For the record, I don't want anyone to think my statement was meant as a slam towards oisin5199 - I was just stating an observation and my opinion. Besides, oisin5199 is one of the few people here who you can have an intelligent, civilized debate. I think I argued with him on two different talkbacks, and I don't think he ever resorted to any name calling or insults (the asshole).
As for what you were saying about trying to do stories by Morrison and Ellis, I personally think modern stories just don't make good material for movies. Not because the writers are bad or the stories are no good - far from it - but because they are usually built so much an already existing super-hero worlds and long comic book histories and continuity.
I think for their type of stories to work, you can to condition the audience first (kind of like how Hitchcock supposedly conditioned the audience to accept ideas he would use later). You can't really do there stories justice without it being maybe the sixth or seventh movie in a series (if even then). By then the mainstream audience will understand what you are saying about the character and the genre. -
yahoo serious. and the irish sent a turkey puppet to eurovision. and gave the world riverdance. america gave ireland micheal flatley. we would gladly give him back.
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I don't think they hate them. I think they just don't want them to be obvious. As long as it can be viewed as a metaphor for a typical subject instead of an overt message, I think most comic book fans are fine with that.
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Topher Grace playing Arnold's character in a remake of Commando.
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...we apologize for Michael Flatley.
I also apologize for how every white American claims he is Irish (and then uses that as reason why they understand racism).
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Well I am totally shocked! How dare Hollywood NOT respect the source material. How dare they change the storyline to whatever suites their views. I for one, will now boycott all superhero movies! (Yeah, I’m being sarcastic.) Who DIDN’T know this movie was going to be clusterfucked from the get go??? Please, after I saw that mess that was the X-MEN, I waited for the rest to come out on TV. Sure WOLVERINE won’t remotely follow his origins. Hell, once I saw the trailer shot of Cyclops that just confirmed my fears. Some one already pointed it out; a young Cyclops meets Wolverine but doesn’t remember him in the X-MEN movie? That is a stupid. I agree, adding recognized characters that Wolverine meets later in his life in the movie just for sake of adding some named characters makes no fucking sense. I really hoped that Wolverine was going to be dark, gritty and SOMEWHAT to his origin. But yet again, the whores in Tinsel Town “thought of better ideas.” Sux to be a movies fan.
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so what did you all really expect !?
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When the fuck are you going to take Rolf Harris back, eh?
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X-Men was good, X-Men II was great. Fanboys are just mad they didn't do a direct translation of the comic-book. If they did that, it would have bombed. And Wolverine as Eastwood? Would have bombed too. In films, characters need arcs and emotional beats - they can't stay the same for an entire franchise.
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FUCK.. THAT.. it took us thirty years to get rid of the prick and his fucking wobbleboard.
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AVATAR.December.nothing else matters
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even though he was born in australia. I think his dad and his brother were both welsh. and both fought in world war one. His documentary about tracking down his uncle's grave in the world war one graveyard in flanders was very moving and he re recorded two little boys. because he thinks that is who the two little boys were.
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Sketch Art auction. dealer: who wants to pay 10 million for this picture. Lord webber jumping up and down says me me. dealer : who wants to pay 20 million to kick this annoying little shit out of the country. crowd starts jumping up and down and saying we do.
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Avatar as you are, but seriously (and i really dont mean this in a hostile manner) please stop repeating the same damn thing in talkbacks. Please dont contribute to overhyping something....i guess what im saying is...dont be Harry...
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America had the Native Americans, Israel has the Palestinians, China has the Tibetans. We all have our crosses to bear! MoveOn.org!
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Now I know why - he thinks Aboriginals need to be controlled, otherwise they'll do whatever they want.
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The AVATAR thing is getting old and the fucking TRAILER hasn't even been released yet..The Timing is all wrong.. it would be like if I started the catch phrse "HOT ROD IS THE MOST AWESOME MOVIE IN THE HISTORY OF EVER!!!!" ™
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You guys broke Rolf - you own him now. No returns, and that extends to Germaine Greer also.
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That deal was brokered around the same time you took Kylie. Fair trade I say.
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I'd pay to see that.
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Wolverine and Weapon X to me in the Team X incarnation is sacred. Fox blew it big time here, but I'm still going to support Hugh & Ryan.
Now I'm GLAD Maverick never made it into this film. Same with Tyler Mane, glad he wasn't called back to be Sabes judging on what little I've seen.
Emma Frost, don't care, but doesn't surprise me.
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Maybe you should read a comic more recent than 20 years ago before you start bitching, Harry.
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I'm still confused as to why Scott Summers is in this. Wolverine had never met him before in the first X-Men film - can anyone explain?
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From what I've read, Stryker kidnaps Scott for the Weapon XI project near the end of the film. Wolverine doesn't meet him per se, but he does play a small role in the climax. Even if they did meet in the film, however, there is a ridiculous plot device that wipes Wolverine's memory. Keep in mind how they altered the title a few months ago with X-MEN ORIGINS. They deleted some scenes involving a young Storm as well.
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And even I know that diamond skin has been one of Emma's powers for some time now. I'm not sure how I know that but the whole time I was reading that rant I was thinking "This guy has no clue". This is not cool nor is it news. Harry is in terrible need of a blog.
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Because you're about as well informed on that as you are X-men lore, it seems.
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acting all like, "What a great teaser!" as if he hasn't already seen the movie like the rest of us
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Imagine if they approached these characters "just like the comic"? It would be laughable.
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Thanks mate, I now remember the ridiculous memroy wiping, flashbacks to Alkaline Lake etc.
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doing the VO? It got me back on the Wolverine bandwagon.
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So Harry lays into the Wolverine producers for essentially "wrecking" Emma Frost. But when he find outs they were being accurate, does he do a mea culpa? A little bit. He still asserts that Claremont's version is "superior" over a version he never read (Morrison & Whedon's Emma) and essentially calls that version fucked up contiuity and still lays into the producers. To me, the current Emma Frost is far superior to Claremont's version, and I read both versions.
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I'm just surprised nobody brought up the "Clerks" berzerker thing. Sorry if I missed it. "Would you like to suck my cock BERZERKER!?!?"
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Thanks again stuntcock. I LOVE Nigella. It's like watching food-porn: the music, the closeups, the sometimes fuzzy camerawork. "Everyday Food" on PBS tried to steal Nigella's production look, but it comes off like Ugly girl amateur food-porn.
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...in the gay bathtub image on their Slurpee cups. Remember the "Grrr! I'm mad Wolverine in a bathtub" shot that was ridiculed a few weeks back? Yeah, that one. Another cup has Liev Schreiber with muttonchops. He looks more like an Elvis impersonator than Sabertooth. God, this movie looks ridiculous. I have a feeling it's going to tank.
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I thought he was good as sabertooth(especially after the tyler debacle) until I watched The Wrestler yesterday. When they do a reboot they need to get mickey to be sabertooth
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Then he could rant and curse at Fox for fucking up the movie real good. because you know what makes The Faculty a shitty movie?The retarded film teacher that's onscreen for five seconds.
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Apr 22, 2009 9:26:12 AM CDT
This is why AICN will never be taken seriously as a journalism s
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Because instead of presenting yourself as a "professional geek" (i.e., an educated person with a wealth of knowledge about all things geeky), you come off like a whining, ranting, raging misinformed nerd.
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I preface this by saying I have a lot of respect for you and your site, however I feel your "retraction" is pretty weak and you should acknowledge that you were wrong and out of line. First off you didn't know what you were talking about when you went on your rant, and then when you learned you were wrong you declared the Claremont version superior to a version (Morrison or Whedon) that you are unfamiliar with, which justifies your tantrum...which it didn't. It just made you look retarded and childish. Be a man and admit you fucked up. Your opinion for not liking what you saw is fine, but the way you went about bashing it when you were obviously uninformed was not cool... like everyone you are allowed to make mistakes, but own up to them. What you did here was embarrassing and weak.
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Bring on December.
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Apr 22, 2009 9:37:41 AM CDT
"HOT ROD IS THE MOST AWESOME MOVIE IN THE HISTORY OF EVER!!!!" ™
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
I'm jumping on!
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It would appear "the people making these movies" did more than that, Harry. They read the comics. Have you? Before you declare that you "f-ing hate FOX for shit like this" and call them the "spaz squad", maybe you should ask yourself an honest question. Do you, as you put it, "give perhaps even the vageuest of shits about the material", material you haven't bothered to read in twenty years?
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As the others have said, they gave her the alternate mutant ability so she could survive the Genosha genocide, which also lets her get physical with the baddies if needed; I believe this occurred after Peter sacrificed himself to trigger the Legacy Virus cure, so they'd still have a resident tank. The achilles-heel they put in is that her TP is disabled while in diamond form. There was also a plotline during the Morrison run where she was hit in a "flawed spot" and shattered into a bazillion shards, and Jean had to reassemble/reanimate her.
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Does anybody have a link to the article or video or whatever that quotes Rothman (or one of the Wolverine producers, or whoever it was)saying "fuck the fans"? I keep hearing somebody involved said this, but it would be nice to see proof with my own eyes instead of repeating something somebody pulled out of their ass as fact. (I know, I know: "what are you doing on the internet then?")
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I'd like a taste of her native tongue.
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The pilot for A Game of Thrones will begin filming this October in Ireland!!!!!
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he said "and their mothers too." That's a direct quote.
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not gonna give you shit for the kneejerk reaction, everyone already beat me to it... but, seriously, if you're going to get pissed about something, at least be current on it. the change, secondary mutation, occured during Grant Morrisons run. I'm a fan but Morrison's stuff is either loved or hated.
BTW, you probably wouldn't like it but Age of Apocolypse? greatest X story ever.. .though it is alternate universe stuff. also, the Fatal Attractions crossover was fucking gnarly and great.
BTW, you would NOT be sucking Claremont's cock if you've read ANY of his recent (past 5-10 years) of X-Men stuff. About the only decent thing he did was Excalibur. That ended after M-Day. eXtreme X-Men? CRAP! His HORRIBLE run on Exiles? CRAP! Uncanny? CRAPITY CRAP CRAP! Claremont's a hack and a former shell of himself. -
I should clarify that my hatred for Morrison is balanced by respect in regards to his own creations and unknown characters. His utter lack of respect for established and beloved characters is infuriating. I've read We3, Arkham Asylum, and some others, and as long as he doesn't get his hands on actual continuity, he does ok. Just don't let him touch my fucking X-men again. Go Brubaker/Fraction!
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Rothman never actually said "Fuck the fans" thats just us fanboys boiling down what he did say. Basically, the story that ran purported that during a screening of Wolverine that didnt go over so well, or maybe it was something to do with a trailer premiere at Comic-Con, that Rothman was quoted as saying something along the lines of "it doesn't matter what the fans think. We already have their money." basicaly insinuating we were all going to pay to see wolverine day one no matter what, good or bad, and that it didnt matter what we thought about it, which basically boils down to "fuck the fans" as far as I'm concered. "these losers will pay to see wolverine whether its good or not, so well focus on getting the other people in the world, who dont care about the character or material, to come see the movie after these nerds get done with it." thats arrogance, and it does boil down to "fuck the fans" However, I don't think he actually ever said quote "fuck the fans" like that, it was more implied, and I don't have the link to the story that ran. sorry, hope that helps.
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"...as long as he doesn't get his hands on actual continuity, he does ok."
Yeah, because when he gets his hands on continuity then you get disasters like Animal Man, Doom Patrol, JLA and the undeniably brilliant Final Crisis! Not to mention the best X-Men comics in decades. Who actually likes that bullshit? Not me. I can't understand a word of it. It's all undeciperable and uncomprehensible.
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for everyone saying that regular people wont care - i hope you do if you just care about good movies. the plot is a mess and if youre seeing this movie because you want to see wolverine kick ace, then just watch x2 over again, because theres not too much of that here. throw in a random bad guy at the end, and a bunch of characters you learn nothing about, and an ending that makes the entire movie pointless - think dream sequence, makes it all crap. sticking to comics or not - wolverine doesnt function that well as a comic movie OR a movie.
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Quote.."And let's not all forget that the English Empire (it wasn't all of Britain after all)"
Yes it was. In fact, if you look at the driving force behind the British Empire, most of the innovators/movers & shakers were scots, particularly in Victorian times.
Continued..."make the Nazis and Romans pale into insignificance in terms of arrogance, jingoism and good ol' genocide."
Really? Did you get an attack of TB vein throb? The type of anger that makes the hearts of sad little no marks beat so fast that they can't control their rage & so type venomous (& historically innacurate) bile? Or are you just fucking stupid?
On arrogance & jingoism, mostly a sterotype in American movies. Rich, snobby blokes in dinner jackets, living in castles etc. In reality, they make up about 1% of the population. As far as Jingoism is concerned, if anything, we put purselves down too much. Try going to Britain, it's virtaully a crime to be patriotic there,despite the fact that we should be. Unlike the U.S & Australia who constantly brag (although, to be fair to Americans, at least they've achieved things to brag about.
& to say the Empire makes the Nazis pale into comparison? Yeah, maybe their skin is a little paler. That's about it.
I just love how you started your post about how racists expose themselves on here, then proceed to spout total fucking prejudiced bullshit. Either that, or you're another one of these liars who comes on here & makes shit up to back up their point.
Jog on, muppet.
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...find a new site to follow movies, comics, etc. (music would be a plus). Harry's fucking retarded rant and subsequent asshole defense (thinly masquarading as an apology) have been the final straw. This site has been circling the drain for the last year. However, I don't have a good alternate source for geek info...can y'all (rogue humor) help me out? I suppose I could sheepishly crawl back to Newsarama after blasting their shitty site redesign, but I'm interested in all your recommendations. Thanks in advance.
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Apr 22, 2009 11:19:14 AM CDT
BSB, I think ShamPow Vince plowed the Rosetta Stone dame
by stuntcock mike
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I'm an Historian. If what you said was true, I'd be cool with it. But you just showed yourself up as a prize twat.
I'm going to bed now. Feel free to rant some more. I'll no doubt prove you wrong when I wake up. Until then, read some history books.
Most of all, get out more. Lose some of that pent up tension that makes you rant total fucking bullshit at a million miles per hour. Flash women in the park..anything. Be careful mate, those head veins can go "pop".
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Mindless? I'm fairly sure I've put some thought into this as well as repeatedly given Morrison second and third and fourth chances, and all he's about is sensationalism. Disregard for characters. There are ways to respect the past and introduce new concepts. But Beak? Really? Evolution, the basis for mutation, would not produce a flightless, powerless bird mutant. Now we may have differing opinions, but to say mine is mindless is...well...mindless.
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Look, near the end of the movie Wolverine opens up the mutant jail cells (in a horribly predictable, arms and claws stretched out, running towards the camera and cutting up the locks kind of way).
Scott’s eyes are in bandages so he can’t see anyone or anything during the escape.
Wolverine doesn’t stick around to take any particular notice of any of the escapees powers and besides, Stryker puts a few adamantium bullets in Logan’s head after he defeats the ‘merc with(out) a mouth’,wiping his memory anyway.
Prof X helps the mutants escape by putting the whammy on Scott with his mind powers, helping Scott lead all the silly fuckers to the correct exit, where Jean Luc Picard introduces himself and offers them all a lift home to his big house.
Fuck me! Fox really know how to push those geek buttons with their trailers and TV spots.
DON’T FALL FOR IT!!!
Oh and New Orleans looks like a soundstage. Terrible!
Just watch the work print like me and thousands of other people did (including all the LIERS involved in this site), it will at satisfy all you curiosity and save you ticket price plus overpriced snacks!
Lets do this people. Watch the Leak! Spread the word! Hurt Fox as much as we can!
We can do it!
Who’s with me?
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Your posts are so dull I truly believe you when you say your a historian. What a twat.
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You whining geeks kill me. I used to come here to learn something about movies. Now I come just to laugh at you!
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And try to read some comics published post-1980.
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they can't make up for fucking up Spiderman and Godzilla.... hollywood does mostly what they want, because people like Stan Lee and others who shoud control their stuff... (ie: Stephen King) DON'T... and i blame them as well.!!!
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I just found out COCKNASTY_BUTTSTANK that you are Kurzinski Valentine reborn!
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Harry: Hey guys we're going to make a sequel to the fly!!!! Studio executive: Uh, Mr. Knowles, we already made a sequel to The Fly and it was a critical and commercial disaster. Oh, well I only saw the far superior first one, so lets move ahead with the sequel! Maybe we can get Quentin or Guillermo to direct, probably not but I felt like making sure that everybody in this room knew that I'm on a first name basis with them.
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..do you even want her near your dick? While she's smacking her lips together do you really want to have to puzzle through whether or not she's turned on or imagining your dick with ketchup and mustard with lots of relish? She could be hiding a cup of chili behind her back! Couple saltines too! Anything can happen!
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lolwut
Is this the talkback for the new Red Dawn remake?
DONKEY BALLS
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That's just cruel.
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the new black and white Harry gif? It's strange ....
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With all due respect, I thought it was pretty good, and you probably shouldn't have spoiled the movie for those who haven't seen it, or should have indicated SPOILER in front of your message. That's some major stuff you gave out there. And I thought Schreiber was good in it. A better ST than Mane, not that it was Mane's fault; the ST part just wasn't written very well for the original movie
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to score foreign chicks.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vx9Tz6AA0
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Where's the Earth Day talkback, fatty?
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Apr 22, 2009 1:56:39 PM CDT
KV - IT'S MORE LIKE HER RACK IS TOO BIG FOR HER BODY
by bringingsexyback
but just right for the Bale cock, as StuntMike pointed out.
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Waddup homes?
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fuck
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Apr 22, 2009 2:07:02 PM CDT
JACKIE CHAN WAS WRONG ABOUT LESLIE ANN MACHADO'S TITS
by bringingsexyback
They should not be controlled, and should do whatever they want. They obviously want my cock.
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that is by far, the GREATEST porn name I've ever heard....... lol...kudos
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Let those puppies free!!!!
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British Empire worse than the Nazis? Guess a fucking gain. Nice to see you're at least perusing your grade 7 history text, but try reading more than the captions under the pretty pictures next time.
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do urself a huuuuuuuuuge favor and read morrison and quitely's all star superman. i guarantee ull gain some if not much respect for him as a writer. and its self-contained, so u wont have to worry about continuity confusion. it's definitely true that he doesn't work so well with established continuities, but part of the message that u can get from final crisis is that he doesn't care much for continuity nitpicking if it gets in the way of some good, fun storytelling. undoubtedly not the same opinion as many comic fans, but u know he's not just lazy.
and sector, just because YOU can't deny that final crisis was brilliant doesn't mean that final crisis was undeniably brilliant. it takes an effort to really enjoy that thing man, and that fact in itself can turn off a lotta people. -
read morrison's new x-men. if not for its bug nuts radical story ideas than because you're now nerdily obliged to.
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You made a mistake! What a fucking idiot! Who makes mistakes?
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Ich liebe die mikly bumsende Brüste
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ok, her'es the horribly convluted story of how emma frost got to be a diamond.
Magneto took over the island nation of genosha. he made a mutant homeland. Emma frost moved there and became a teacher. Meanwhile charles xaviers twin, that he killed in the womb came back as cassandra nova. she went on to take over a bunch of really powerful sentinels. She used these sentinels to attack genosha. killed about 16 million mutants in one massive attack. Emma Frost was supposedly one of them. Then later on it was revealed that some mutants have a secondary mutation. the beast changed into a more feline form, and it was revealed that as the sentinels attacked emma frosts second mutation started. she could change into a near perfect diamond form. the drawbacks of which is that she had no emotions in diamond form and didn't age. The first thing she did of course, was to have herself apraised.
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EU TRAÇARIA AQUELE ATRAVÉS DO HEADBOARD
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C-top (hope you don't mind if I appreviate), thanks for the article. That's actually pretty good. Do you know is it part of a longer work or an anthology? I actually have been teaching a comics and culture course to freshman for the last two years - if I do it again next year, I might add this to the syllabus. We read an essay on gay superheroes (mostly focusing on the fan reaction to Northstar), Scott Bukatman's "X-Bodies" essay about the hypermasculinization of 90s comics, and a little bit of Young Avengers. In general, my knee-jerk reaction to an argument saying that X-Men is MAINLY a gay metaphor is mostly because of the tendency of talkbackers here to gay bash, and blame things on Singer BECAUSE he's gay. As I've said before, I'm certainly not denying that the gay metaphor is prominent in the X-Men films, but in many aspects they follow Joss Whedon's 'BYOS' policy (bring your own subtext). As this author did, you can certainly interpret the entirety of the X-mythos that way, but that doesn't discount other possible interpretations. I guess my main problem is the implication that the use of the gay metaphor is 'unfortunate' because there's inherently something wrong with exploring those issues, as opposed to any others. Even if the gay metaphor was the only possible interpretation, I think it's a valid one and there's nothing wrong with it being the main lens through which to interpret the X-Men. And let's face it, no one's looking for hidden communists anymore, and racial 'passing' isn't much of an issue anymore, so for the 21st century, gay issues are the new black, so to speak. Even so, the racial issues are still intact in the movies, as the MLK/Malcolm X metaphor is pretty clear.
With Morrison, I'm mainly arguing that by 2000, civil rights issues had been played out in the X-books, and it was time for something new. And I don't think the futurism of Morrison and Ellis' work is necessarily far-out scifi of the distant future. They are clear commentaries on contemporary practices, from the continual cyborg-ization of the human body and technology, to plastic surgery and transsexuality. These are different concerns from Silver and Bronze age superheroes - this is a genre of comic literature influenced by Philip K. Dick, Gibson, Ballard, Baudrillard, etc. (just like the Matrix, which came out shortly before Morrison's run).
Oddly enough, to go back to Animal Man, I'd argue that that title was a love-letter to the Silver Age, in which Morrison wanted to go back to the Pre-Crisis, pre-Dark Knight and Watchmen days, while still putting that Silver Age-wackiness through a postmodern, metafiction blender. Morrison's entire Animal Man run was tinged with nostalgia, especially the last scenes. But as is always the case with nostalgia, it's never quite how you remember it, and the process is never clean, as Buddy Baker (and Morrison himself) finds out. One of these days I've got to catch up to current Morrison, because I find it ironic that he's the one in charge of this Final Crisis thing when he seemed to be criticizing "Crises" so much in Animal Man. Almost as if he had to get Animal Man out of his system first before he jumped into the contemporary superhero. But I've never been an avid mainstream DC follower (mostly just the occult titles, thanks to Moore and Gaiman), so I have a lot of catching up to do (thank gods for bittorrent!). -
One of my students actually tried to suggest how an Animal Man movie might be done (and he cast Brad Pitt! I could almost see it, but the slightly off Pitt, not the gorgeous, charming Pitt). A straight adaptation is clearly impossible, but I imagined maybe a superhero meets Truman Show kind of story. So you can have some of the meta aspects, but you obviously couldn't comment on Crisis. And the thing is, the Animal Man story only works in relation to other superheroes. So instead of the comic medium being the trap for Buddy, you'd have to have the 'film' world. So then you'd have to have Buddy think that there are other real superheroes aruond him, while showing the audience that they are special effects set up to fool him. It'd be pretty complex. Maybe if we get Charlie Kaufman on this.
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final crisis aint like the other crises, which is why a lotta people were pissed at dc for hyping it up as such
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ok, found it, in a book called Uncovering Hidden Rhetorics: Social Issues in Disguise. Since I work in a writing, rhetoric and discourse department, this might be perfect for me. Thanks! Never thought I'd get a scholarly text idea from AICN! (especially from someone I disagree with). Every now and then a talkback is a beautiful thing.
But wait, you suck, Harry! You got it wrong! Now that's more like it. -
You mean they make Americans look slimmer, healthier and smarter?
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are funny to me.
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Who cares this much about a comic book Z-character?
You know, why don't you fanboy fags start your own movie studio? Why has that brilliant thought never occurred to you? Instead, you sit around, pining that every movie - that costs millions to make but only $10 for you to enjoy - doesn't live up to the expectations set by your imagination?
Have none of you fucktards ever read a book and then seen the movie? Nothing competes with imagination!
It's just so pathetic to me that you sit around waiting for the Holy Grail movie that's going to have perfect writing, perfect special effects, perfect everything. It's never going to happen! And even if it did, in two years, it would feel dated. When "The Next Generation" came out, everyone thought it was the coolest thing in the world - now look at it: it's pathetic! Even Tim Burton's Batman was supposedly so awesome and cool - it's embarrassing to watch five minutes of it.
I've always known you guys were pathetic but worrying about "Emma Frost" is really pretty spectacularly gay. -
Oh come on, the average Canadian is just as tubby as the next American Joe. Go to Holland if you want a skinny populace.
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really, kudos.
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Claremont built the foundation, Morrison tore down the house, Whedon rebuilt it, and now we've got Brubaker(formerly), Fraction, David & Carey doing some exquisite interior design. I'm not the biggest X-Fan, but my roommate is and I read his stuff every week, and it's a really good time to be an x-fan. If can you erase the memory of this movie from your mind. If any of you actually pay money to Fox to watch this movie, you and me are done professionally.
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Yeah, my posts were dull, replying to each & every part of a dull person's dull post, pointing out how fucking stupid it was. I should have replied to him like nerfherder, but as usual it was sometime after 1AM & I was shitfaced. I'll do my best to be more interesting for you.
By the way, your ma says you're a cock. At least I think that's what she said..she had her mouth full at the time. -
Used to think History teachers were cool, there is a fine line between informative and douche.
Personally think White Vader might have going a bit far with the "pale into insignificance".
But he is right in alluding to that the Western Europeans (Britian, France, Spain and Portugal) in expanding their Empires partook in mass genocide across the globe, the Americas, Africa, Asia and Australia.
Have not read a school history book in Australia in recent times, but from my memory they were never as harsh on the nations I mentioned in their history, as compared to the Nazi's or the Japanese. Perhaps if the Japanese and Nazi's had done their empire "building" 200/300 years before it would have been a different story.
The language used was interesting they "colonized" rather than "invaded". As an Australian (especially coming up to ANZAC day) I personally don't like how we glorify the battle at Gallipoli, failed attempted invasion of Turkey under command from the Brits. Would much prefer if we had chosen the Kokoda battle instead. Probably at the end of the day it comes back to the truism of history being written by the winners. -
Yes, you can abbreviate my name as long as I can abbreviate yours. Deal, oisin? Oh, and by the way, call me Conti, the name all my professional friends know me by.
And yes, I agree, the mutants as a metaphor for homosexuality and sexual identity is probably the best use of it nowadays. Of course, that is what I have always loved about comics (and I am sure you do to) is how they can use superheroes as a metaphor for social issues or personal ideas. And with the great characters it can change and evolve with the times (or the character is tied to such a great issue that it will never get old or stale). Crime is never going away; neither is Batman. And the X-Men can go from a metaphor for the generation gap, disillusioned youth, racial discrimination, ethnic hatred, religious intolerance, homophobia, identity politics and sexual identity.
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Apr 22, 2009 8:20:41 PM CDT
can we even make fun of canada anymore
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
i mean damn our country is so shit right now moving to canada sounds almost good
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a hot, kinky fuck of a lifetime (ask Scott in X-Men trade paperback collections I checked out at library. Jean was the love of his life, but Frost was the fuck of his life). And btw, the two volume X-Men sets should be followed, finally, but Spider-Man season sets from '90s. It's about time they were offered up right.
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If they stay close to a script floating around online, it'll be damn good and yes, includes an appearance by one A. Scott.
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IT SUCKED!! what a dissapointment. I'll just say this..it was as good as XMEN UNITED. nuff said.
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If ever there were anything to ever cry about, Emma's having diamond skin as a secondary mutation (from the very choice Morrison run on New X-Men) isn't it. Emma's character will hopefully not be as anorexic as she looks in the preview. She needs to be fully realized and that friends will be ultimately the great downfall of Wolverine. Aside from Logan himself and perhaps Victor Creed to a lesser extent, the characters in the ensemble cast will be little less than the cardboard cutout cameo disasters witnessed in X3, with little regard to who they actually are. I don't think the final print of this will go over 2 hours and for FOX to achieve the epic feel of the preview, they might've not played it cheap for a change and done an epic film for a change, taking their time with characters.
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what the fuck?
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There isn't a fine line when people start throwing insults. They get the same in return.
That's the thing though, White Vader wasn't "alluding to" the imperialism of Britain, France etc. Those are facts that aren't in doubt. In fact you can throw America into the mix too.
The thing that annoyed me was that he came straight out with bullshit statements about the Empire being a solely English thing (people love singling out the English) & that Britain made the Nazis AND the Romans pale into insignificance. Personally I found that offensive. Mainly because I was drunk, but nevertheless it was a blatantly stupid thing to say.
I'm not apologising for Empire etc, in fact, one thing white vader obviously doesn't know is that British people are extremely anti-empire & have been for a long time. But, as Empires go, the British Empire was by far the least genocidal of any. I can think of 10 right now that make the British Empire look like a charitable foundation. It just gets on my nerves when people talk shit as fact, because other people read it & all of these things become self-perpetuating myths.
I agree with you, the Galipoli thing is weird. Even weirder is the modern Australian take on it (particularly post the awful Mel Gibson movie). Actually, war is my main area of study & it's weird to see how the old guys who were there are amazingly proud of it, despite losing.
But that's also a change in Australian society,in the sense that those old guys don't see it as being under the command of the Brits, as you do. Whereas now you have a very strong identity, back then it was just naturally accepted that Australians fight for King/Queen and country. Times change. These days you get a lot of Anti-British stuff, like people who weren't there, saying the British generals somehow fucked you over.Actually, they fucked over everybody, British or otherwise. But mainly they just fucked up.
I'm gonna stop talking about it now. I only replied to the dumb fucker 'cause I was drunk.
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Has anyone else noticed how many references to decapitations there are? It's like different variations of the same line are repeated 300 times.
It starts off with the "decapitation of an officer", then all the way through it's Wolverine saying "I'll pull/chop/take your head off."
Most of Stryker's orders are "Pull/chop/take his head off."
Then at the end, Stryker sits there at a pc typing "DECAPITATE."
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Thank you Shite. It might be de rigeur to recast the British Empire as a group of proto-Nazis, but the fact is they were a less evil gang in a pretty bad group.
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Apr 22, 2009 10:58:20 PM CDT
No you're right (and a bit wrong) Dark Shite, and so was I
by white_vader
Even as I was aware of making the same broad generalisations as fucking tools like Mike when my original post was NEVER about race to start with, I still didn't take the proper care to make a statement that wouldn't be misconstrued (ironic, as that's what happened originally to start all this race stuff). Yes you're right I didn't think about the Scots. And I used an inappropriate analogy to support an unclear point about numbers and didn't take into account the span of time or the separate multiple horrors of the British Empire. So fair enough. And while you shouldn't post drunk, I shouldn't post after all-nighters either. I'm in no way making any simpleheaded connections between England and Skinhead/Neo-Nazis btw. It surprised me though to see you make the simplistic mistakes about Australian national identity and Gallipoli in particular.
I'll man up and apologise for the careless way in which I put it all, even though I'm not going to revoke the main thrust (and I don't think we actually disagreed there). As for "obviously doesn't know", glass houses my friend. The whole "fucked you over/fucked over everybody thing was bizarre too, as one doesn't negate the other, so maybe we both got our words a bit twisted. Got to get back to it now and I guess you've moved on but I just wanted to reply and say that while I stand by the basics of what I said, I'll take more care to properly articulate it next time. And yes, "pale into insignificance" was very very stupid. The vein was throbbing I guess. A death is a death, murder and genocide are murder and genocide, and I'm sure my Jewish friends would be right to disown me for that one. But Australians are generally jingoistic? O.Kaayyy thennn... Our 'cultural cringe' takes care of a lot of that and ensures that generally in terms of patriotism vs jingoism we wouldn't mistake "most powerful" for "greatest" nation like a certain latest superpower/empire. Like you say though, we'll leave it at that.
You might be amused to see over at Amazon.com there's a TB about America's education issues and the dumbing down of a nation. It's a good thing that people aren't lapping up the status quo and don't feel like political heretics for questioning their leaders, but when teachers are criticising the curriculum and literacy even while misspelling it... That's not a slam on Americans, that's a slam on stupidity and accountability. With a bit of irony and hypocrisy thrown in.
And good point about "head" - all this in a PG13 movie, too, beyond the obvious concerns about how such an inherently r-rated concept/character makes a mockery of the rating system, especially in cartoon form. It's all about the iconography I guess. Maybe they leveraged it by including disco balls, I dunno.
One thing hasn't changed though. Mike is still a stupid fuck and after his feeble "comebacks" I'm not surprised he's leeching on you. Funny he talked about the Dutch, boy what a can of worms that one is...
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Long as you don't compare us to Nazis. that's fine by me. I don't think I made mistakes about Galipoli though. A few years ago, I interviewed a bunch of guys who were there. The ones I spoke to hated the modern revisionist stuff that happens these days & don't see it that way at all. Anyway, this is a wolverine thread & I'm hungover, so fuck it:-).
Nigella is indeed the most edible thing on her show. Unfortunately, much like the pricey ingredients she uses in her recipes, she's beyond my means. -
about Nigella is that she's named after her dad Nigel. That adds a slightly creepy overtone to things.
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'putting on X-geek hat': Emma's far more than just a great fuck. Though this is probably more about the evolution of more mature writing of these titles (esp. with Whedon) but Emma understands Scott in ways that Jean never did. In many ways, Jean is the childhood fantasy that Scott grew up with and into. But Emma is the adult relationship. She doesn't bullshit him, helps him to claim his power, and he's become a stronger person with her. For Buffy fans, for me it's the difference between the Buffy/Angel relationship and the Buffy/Spike relationship. The first is the adolescent, romantic crush. The latter is the adult, mutual respect, though slightly more kinky relationship.
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http://tinyurl.com/2b6xwb
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"Uncovering Hidden Rhetorics: Social Issues in Disguise" sounds excellent. And, it's true Morrison and Ellis are using mythic ciphers to comment on the spaces and environment we live in. That's also why I believe it's critical to remove the silver age goggles from our eyes, and look at new and relevant discoveries in the sciences, arts, psychology and
anthropology, religion, etc., to create relevant dreams. Reinterpreting older forms are fine and necessary, but, imagine a mind like documentarian Adam Curtis crossed with Jean Baudrillard writing comics? Christ, I mean Morrison was using Silver Age nostalgia as the raw crude and he refined it into a new and potent fuel to drive our imaginations… I look at Ellis'“Planetary” as a meta–fictional equivalent to what Morrison was doing in “Animal Man” and ”Doom Patrol,” extending those ideas by drawing from late 20th Century concerns while anticipating new 21st Century myths. We can read them as culture–texts and Bukatman is a good reference and necessary reading. Thanks for brining him into discussion. -
http://tinyurl.com/c6gmgr
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Its not like I would kick her out of bed for it.
Think Hugh Jackman would have a good shot at Nigella if he tried, he likes the older ladies. -
t-shirt with the words "English Muffin" printed on it.
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http://tinyurl.com/ctv6mv
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I just can't see her as a member of the X-Men. The conversation from villain to hero (or at least anti-hero) always seemed forced, like she was some nerd-boy's fantasy of the bitchy beautiful ice princess suddenly having a change of heart and hanging out with the nerds, without losing her stuck up bitch attitude which makes her the reason you want to fuck her so bad. She is the 7 of 9 of the comic book set.
Maybe later writers have given a better explanation for her change in character and did some good stories featuring her, but I just think someone with her past track record would be capable of any redemption. This is a woman who was part of a secret society dedicated to manipulating the political and economic world by any means necessary; was part of a plot to use mutants as a natural resource and planned to use the X-Men as guinea pigs to see how their powers worked (and they were told they would probably be better off dead than what the Hellfire Club had planned for them); ordered minions of the Hellfire club to attack the X-Men, and when they failed she coldly had six of them killed; was prepared to mind wipe Storm, effectively lobotomizing her; knowingly supplied Mastermind the technological means to corrupt Jean Grey; was partly responsible for Phoenix turning into Dark Phoenix, therefore being indirectly responsible for the death of billions of aliens; kidnapped Kitty Pryde and planned on brainwashing her; planned on training Firestar to be her own personal assassin; murdered Firestar’s boyfriend, a mercenary for the Hellfire Club, when he tried to warn her of Frost’s plans; and these are just in the first three or four years of the character.
Of course she isn’t alone; a number of X-Men foes have gone from good to bad and back again: Juggernaut, Mystique, Sabretooth and even Magneto. The constant switching from kayfabe and face is the reason the X-Men has long been the WWE of the comic book world.
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Sorry. I almost ruined my own Nigella fantasies with that one. Almost.
How'd you pick your name by the way? I live in Japan, that's all.
Dingbatty, in the part of England that I'm from, muffin is slang. At least it is if you stick an apostrophe on the end. Then it becomes a verb:-).
You can't beat a good muffin'. -
Conti, I was wondering in the other thread whether the Bale TB is still active (and what node number it is), or if a Tb has started up on AIBN yet. Where are the professionals at?
Dark Shite, MM, that IS a bit icky about Nigella. She's been through a bit, that chick. I'm not normally a boob guy (legs and heels baby), but she wipes the floor with bloody scriptgirl, that's for sure.
I've got a creepy story like that too - I worked for a guy a few years back on a very crap film that fanboys loathe (actually I've done a few fanboys loathe - not everyone gets to pick and choose what they work on but we do our best), and while he was a famous guy that was on things like Star Wars, Raiders and Aliens, it was a strange experience and none of us could get past he AND his wife having the same first names (and therefore obviously surnames). Someone said their daughter had the same too but I think that was garbage. Man, I don't even like the lack of creativity in naming kids all with the same first letter. I do still think it's funny though that my Dad has such Irish names (surname is more English though) that despite them being spelt the male way he still gets letters to "Mrs"...
MM, a mate of mine is over in your neck of the woods right now, visiting the Ghibli Museum. Lucky bastard... -
Hmm. been wracking my brains trynna work out who that might be! If it wasn't for Aliens being included in the list, I'd have given up & settled on George Lucas.
Fuck it, I'm gonna go with Lucas anyway. According to imbd, Lucas had a long relationship with Linda Ronstadt. Therefore, the answer is, George Lucas' real name is Linda. That'll do.
I read once that all of George Forman's kids are called George. Now that's either fucked up, or a stroke of genius. -
I saw a unfinished special fx version of it online and it was awful. the movie was finished just some of the effects werent. yeah , its not good.trust me.
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well, it's pretty much comic book convention that bad guys can be redeemed, even after they destroy worlds. Heck, Doctor Doom cried at 9/11 (I know, I know). I guess what makes Emma's conversion work is not the fact that she has changed sides, but the fact that she has forged serious and complex relationships, especially with Scott and Kitty. And the main person to thank for that is Joss Whedon. He gave her relationship with Cyclops some amazing nuance, and as I said, transformed him into a deeper, more complex character. And while her relationship with Kitty was mostly antagonistic, when it became clear that she personally asked for Kitty to be on the new team, and why, was pretty brilliant, especially given their history - Emma kidnapped Kitty back when both were brand new characters introduced by Claremont. So it's not so much whether the conversion itself is realistic, it's that the characterization (and the subsequent relationships) makes her a more real, multi-layered person. So you believe that she's formed these bonds for more reasons than just plot contrivance.
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HE must have the greatest PR machine in all of comics. This idiot has made some of the greatest mistakes in comics. Brought some of the worst literary clichés to us, the comic book reader. And everyone think he is the bald second coming in comics. You make Batman Use a Gun? FUCKING BAT (I HATE ALL GUNS) MAN! You made an idiot mistake. You give Charles Xavier a FUCKING TWIN EVIL SISTER, one whose only ambition is the death of her brother? You’re a cliché driven hack! What’s next? Going to bring out a Marty SUE catheter that will save the X-Men’s lives just before getting one to The X-girls into bed? Wouldn’t put it past him. And good old secondary mutations! The biggest canard ever to darken the X-Men’s door. You’re not smart enough to make a shitty one note character interesting (aka Frost) so let’s dream up something to make her interesting, no matter how impossible, against continuity (OH NO SHOULDN’T HAVED USED THE C-WORD! THAT’S NOT FORWORD THIKING TO MARVEL THESE DAYS), and just plain out of character it is for her. A female fighting Colossus. The only thing physical Emma ever did was WHOEVER SHE COULD to get to the top of the Hellfire club. A tradition she proudly continues with Scott to this day.
And the worst thing is the producers and writers of this movie are lapping all of Morrison’s stuff up like starved cats. So Harry you’re not far from the truth. If the move makers are using Morrison’s crap, WEEP FOR THIS MOVIE!!!
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Bwa ha! Me, a "stupid fuck"? I guess I'll take it, but I don't haveta like it.
Just to reiterate, my main points were 1), Australians abroad are by and large annoying (and if it makes you feel better, I am one so no hard feelings), and 2) the British Empire can hardly be compared to the Nazis. Sure I was leeching but, shit, I can't let such a comment pass by without a second dissenting voice.
I sometimes wonder what colour Nigella's nipples are. You might figure they'd be on the darker side, but one can never tell. That dark hair with fair skin can be a mysterious combination. My penis had the pleasure of frequenting the vagina of someone who looked somewhat like her (although, obviously, looking "somewhat" like Nigella is like "somewhat" curing ebola; just not good enough), and hers were a delightfully rich pink. As for her bush, I imagine she keeps it neat and trim, but certainly not shaved bald. That sort of affectation is far below her.
God I hope Saatchi fucks up and screws some young little tart of an artist he's got under his wing. It might be hard on Nigella at first, but I'll be there to pick up the pieces.
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