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"Crusade" rumors dubunked / "Buckaroo Banzai" rumors debunked / "GvsE" heads up !!!
Glen here...
With some odds and ends which should have been posted much faster than I was able to
accommodate:
Crusade
There have been several rumors indicating Fox is somehow interested in picking up the
defunct Babylon 5 spinoff Crusade. I will say that I've recently heard
many rumors about the show's potential disposition, but all of the rumors have lead
nowhere.
I have received no indication...on any front...regarding any network's interest in
picking up Crusade. In reference to the above mentioned "Fox wants
Crusade!" rumor (which some of you may have heard), CLICK HERE to jump to Allie
Sawyer's coverage of the rumor, including direct quotes from series' creator J. Michael
Straczynski on the matter.
Problems on the Buckaroo Banzai series ?
In response to the rumors originating from HREF="http://www.backstage-pass.com">Backstage Pass...which indicated the
proposed Buckaroo Banzai television series is currently subject to in-fighting between
Banzai creators and Fox television...long time Banzai compatriot W.D. Richter
(who directed the Banzai feature film and is developing the series alongside film /
series pilot scripter Earl MacRauch) issued the following statement:
To: All Fans of B. Banzai
From: W.D. Richter
Subject: The Way Things Are
A few years ago, I overheard Dr. Banzai remark to a
concerned unit of Tibetan
commandos as the clock struck midnight in a particularly
dark hollow of the
Universe: "We’re all in this together...whatever ‘this’
is."
Now, B. Banzai
was actually waxing philosophical, I concluded, and was
thus referring to our
shared time on this and other planets ... but his remark
might easily be
brought down to Earth and used to describe the crazy
adventure of bringing
his exploits back to the screen -- silver, cathode-ray, or
plasma, take your
pick.
And so now, it seems, we must temporarily divert our
energy from the task at
hand to contend with rumors that the forces of evil have
gathered to demand
we "dumb down" the great pilot script Mac Rauch completed
in January ... and
that Mac and I are "fighting tooth and nail" against such
madness.
But this is only more gibberated nonsense. In fact, we
have received no
orders from anybody anywhere in any form whatsoever. Yet.
But if we do, can
you imagine what Buckaroo’s instructions to us might be?
I have my hunches.
Glen again...
So, in other words, Richter is saying the rumors of trouble between Banzai staff and
Fox are not true. It should be noted that every other indication received by Coaxial have pointed
to no problems within the show's development - save for one annoying glitch:
Progress on the series' development seems to be moving very, very slowly. Which isn't
a problem per se (except to those of us who want to see the series now, now, now) because
said slowness isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes, projects like this simply take a while to
unfold properly (trust me from personal experience on this one). Doesn't mean doomsday,
doesn't mean strife or dissent. Just means it's moving slowly - most probably due to a
combonation of non-belligerent factors.
So there you have it. Believe me, if I ever get wind of people messing with
Buckaroo, I'll be shouting it from the highest mountains and start rallying the troops.
But for now, that isn't remotely necessary...
GvsE
For those who have been enjoying USA's GvsE, I thought I'd pass on a friendly
reminder about tonight's episode. I received a copy of the first and third episodes of the series
for initial review on Coaxial. I did not see last week's second episode until its actual airing -
otherwise I might have implored readers to "hang in there".
Personally, I thought last week's second episode was considerably softer than the first. To
those of you who may have been let down a bit by episode #2, I wanted to let you kow that the
third episode (which airs TONIGHT) is generally considered to be much stronger than the
second: many consider it better than the first installment of GvsE. I would tend to agree
with both sentiments.
So if your faith in the series wavered a bit after episode number two, be sure to hop back on
board for tonight's installment. Additionally, I have seen next week's episode, called "Gee
Your Hair Smells Evil". If you have liked the series thus far, you'll likely be knocked out by
next week's show. Said episode features Charlene Tilton (Dallas), Dawn Wells
(Gilligan's Island), Jill Whelan (from the original Love Boat), and Erin Moran
(Joanie from Happy Days) as wicked council of Morlock evil doers who become
involved in a black market scheme spearheaded by the treacherous Morgan LeFay.
Any series which features the whistfully spoken line: "If only we had an army of
Erin Morans" rocks hard in my book...
Glen
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I'm looking forward to tonight's
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I thought that was Emmanuel Lewis from the preview! This is the greatest thing since .... since ... since I don't know what! This must be the greatest thing. I'm sick of seeing Gary Coleman in the news. It's about time Emmanuel Lewis got some action!
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Hmmmm. I guess nobody really knows *for sure* if Sci Fi is seriously looking at Crusade but it looks more and more unlikely. In light of that, if WB was so nice to save the Crusade sets and wait then maybe they should stop waiting now and do something themselves. The only way I could see it being moved and saved is if WB got off its duff and made it an HBO original series. Provided of course that it wouldn't violate the "vast orporate politics" of the WB empire.
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Crusade is dead. Long live B5. Crusade has failed to impress the majority of it's own meager fanbase, it ain't gonna be picked up by ANY network, especially not FOX! As for sci-fi, I wouldn't hold my breath. It's time for JMS to prove that he is a writer and WRITE! Enough with regurgitating a dead franchise. It's amazing how some B5 fans can bash Trekkers for copulating over a petering franchise but desperately try keep B5 on life support. Christ, give it up, go read a book or something.
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Um, actually, I already knew that FOX was in no way thinking about picking up Crusade. orac_uk didn't know that and I alerted him to jms' debunking of that rumour on another Talkback recently. And the reason B5 fans talk about Trek being dead is because ironically it IS dead even though they keep making more of it. There's no need to have a stroke just because I expressed a little hope for a series that me and many others think is better than most of B5's season 1 episodes. If Crusade hasn't gotten your attention yet then maybe you've forgotten how slow some of B5's S1 pace was before we saw Signs and Portents and Chrysalis. If Crusade isn't picked up (which I SAID myself in my post looks increasingly unlikely) I'll live. Don't spend your time preaching to me and other B5 viewers that we need to move on. When Crusade is finally, totally gone, we'll realize that if you are so worried about us. Now go have a bleak and bitter little tantrum somewhere else. I think you're the one who needs some rest.
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Alright, I figured that me hitting my thirties was going to cause problems with me getting the new shows in the medium. Maybe my tastes had changed? I still listen to all the *new* music that is out there. I knew almost all the songs that were on the Woodstock pay, not me someone else, per view BBQ. So I was stunned to find myself and several of my friends not like the "Orange" ep.
Style wise it was to chaotic. Pacing wise it needed help. The characters seemed interesting even if Henry reminded me of a cross between Sam Jackson and the Catt from Red Dwarf. Again, it didn't impress me.
So it was with some real trepadation that I decided to give this show, and Glen's reviews, one last chance. Both turned out to be dead on.
Sure there is some suspension of disbelief but the ep was fun and that's all I wanted. Plain and simple fun. forget reality and go with it. Same way I did with Deep Blue Sea [ funnier than Deep Star Six and it wasn't trying to be funny ].
G vs. E has the abillity to take the supernatural in to the fun adventure catagory that SG-1 seems to do with Sci Fi. I only want them to get bigger budgets, yes I know that might not happen but I can dream, because it could really strive if it doesn't have to limit it's self because of an FX cost barrier. Not that this show has to rely on FX and that is a plus in it's favoe as well.
I am now going to give this show the full season to grow on me because smart eps like this deserve it. Not wierd guest stars or this 70's rehash style. Smart dialogue and character chemistry. that's what makes it work even in it's slower moments.
BTW Glen. Thanks for the Crusade news and the BB update.
Dolphinar. I just can't agree with you on this one, however, I still like what you have said in the past about Trek: The Merchendise Continues. -
I'm happy to see that you're keeping us informed on the current progress of the proposed Buckaroo Banzaii series. As I've stated previously I can't wait to see what Mr. Mac Rauch comes up with. As soon as any casting is announced please let us know.
As far as Crusade is concerned, I think it got shafted from the start. It's been pointed out that Bab. 5 started season one slowly (but not the earth shattering yawn that was season one of STTNG) but managed to improve drastically and even reached into the ST realm and had an affect there. The powers that be at TNT have been watching too much wresteling and aren't prepaired to commit to a series that may (GASP) provoke their audience to thinking. I wish they'd at least let them make a full run of season one episodes. Ah, bugger.
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ah, after Crusade fades away, no more B5 fanboyz spamming, and no more JMS. No movie, just books and re-runs on at 2 AM. Ah, sweet bliss. . .
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As a die hard B5 fan, all I can do is wait patiently for the series that was to be Crusade to end. I watched "A Call to Arms" and "War Zone" and washed my hands of the attempt. The story seemed promising, the cast magnificent, but the technical problems I just could not get past..the main problem being that god awful music, backed up by the shoddy special effects. I know many B5 fans had hoped to that Crusade would have carried the banner til the often rumored theatrical film. But unless the series underwent a severe change, Babylon 5 ended with "Sleeping in Light", just as it should have. And I am very, very much looking forward to that new Buckaroo Banzai series..now if we could only see a theatrical sequel...sigh...wake up....til later...
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Don't think so little of that one, I thought it had a good bite. I didn't see the first episode, and thanks to shitty conditions out of my control, I missed the first half of episode three. But I enjoyed the second episode a lot, particularly the Keiyser Soze mastermind, and the villain with the 'Gary Oldman from Air Force One,' accent. I tried hard to catch this week's and I'll try hard next week based on what I saw in episode 2. Maybe it slightly disappointed you, Glenn, but anything that gets new viewers can't be bad.
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You press one measly button and the darn thing sends your message before you're done! I wanted to comment on Crusade. There a nasty polarization happening with old B5 fans over Crusade. Hah! That's good, as B5 is finally reaching the dilemma that Trek has been in all this time. Trek IS NOT dead as somebody said, but it is truly trapped in a deep coma that will never end until everybody involved with Trek leaves or dies and the franchise is left in the winds to recover for a few years. Trek has too large a fanbase for it to ever die. The same is true of B5, however Crusade would never be the means for that. Look at! This is a different show. It is just not the same realm. The appearances of B5 elements feel inserted and forced. That was the idea I realize, but it worked. The show stands mostly on its own. And the fact that there are people now who don't see its potential, yet claim they saw B5's potential frightens me. Okay, Cursade's first episode bit pretty hard. But it has developed nicely since then. I never thought I'd like Max Eierson, but he has emerged as one of the better characters. Gideon is still not there yet, but he's better than Sinclair. Yeah, Chambers is lamer than over-cooked fettacini, and the music still blows chunks. But this show could really be something if it continued. It doesn't feel like its milking a dying cash cow. Like I said though, by being a spin off--that unholy medium that some snobby B5 fans have always looked down their noses at--has effectively split the B5 fans, who I fear aren't numerous enough as a whole, let a lone a half, to save a good show. Hey, look at this way, B5 remains unappreciated. The worst thing that happened to Trek was when somebody dubbed it a cash-cow success.
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I too was prepared to write off Crusade after the first two 'TNT inspired' episodes. However, since then I have come to see and appreciate the same kind of character development and interplay that sucked me in to B5 in the first place. Sure there are weaknesses, like lame FX and the music (Evan, you're getting better, but there's a looooong way to go...) but I feel the basic premise is still sound. Even if TNT won't, folks, give this show a chance! As others have said, there aren't many SF shows that have been able to charge strong out of the gate without allowing time for their formulas and cast to gel. (The notable exception of course, ST:TOS, which started great and became nearly unwatchable by the end of S3. I know, I saw it all first-run, so don't be calling me some fanboy.)
My big concern now with Crusade is jumping back in time, production-wise, to show the first five produced eps out of order will destroy whatever gains these last five eps have made. PS, loved John Vickery as Welles making a return!! What a slime!! (Sorry, Glen, had to get that in.) -
The last poster wrote...
"My big concern now with Crusade is jumping back in time,production-wise, to show the first five produced eps out of order will destroy whatever gains these last five eps have made."
I don't see what the problem is. These episodes don't run out of order from a Crusade timeline standpoint. They begin five months after the plague was dropped, which is where the storyline is.
As for the comparisons of Crusade to B5's year 1, I think B5-Yr 1 had something that Crusade lacks--a descernable passion of the part of the production team to make it. Crusade is lame, not just story-wise, but it shows a lack of intensity in the production values. If the people producing a show don't care enough about it to do their best, then a show surely has no potential.
When you go back and watch Season 1, despite its weaknesses, that intensity is there.
I see that passion in the making of Farscape, which IMO did prove that a SF series can hit the ground running.
The first eight episodes of Crusade en masse are some of the most anemic television I've ever seen. There weren't even any interesting ideas. As to it being "thinking-man's" SF, all I ever found when I tried to think about it, have been plots that are nonsense, timelines for the character's backstories that are unrealistic, and dialogue that doesn't relate in any way to human speech patterns. Please don't make me think about it.
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I saw the 3rd episode last night. I rolled on the floor laughing when they blew up Webster! I never saw it coming!! I hope this series goes on for a long time!!
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Passion, intensity. I couldn't agree more. Like SO many producers/directors JMS (and crew) have simply lost the PASSION to push the limits. Look at Paul Verhoven, Robocop was a great satire on inner-city america, while his other works where simply attempts to insert as much sex as possible into a film (Basic Instinct & showgirls) or an orgy of violence in an attempt to regain the title of on-screen deaths king (Total Recall, Starship Troopers). Recently Lucas and even (god help us) Stanley Kubrick began spewing passionless mental sewage. Don't believe me? Check out blair Witch Project. Even if it is rather amateurish, atleast you can sense that the people involved give a damn. Even Roland Emmerich (the whore who gave us ID4) showed SOME sense with Stargate. And Luc Besson, despite a simple plot, gave us a heck of a ride with 5th Element. Everyone should take a break and try something new once in a while, and after 5+ years of carrying B5 on his back, it's time for JMS to do something different.
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It looks well-produced and all, but the whole thing is way too Pulp Fiction-ish for me. I'll take Crusade (flaws and all) any day. Also looking forward to Buckaroo.
All this diversity in the market is great! I sure wish fans would wake up and see how good things are. If you don't like GvsE, you can see Farscape. If you don't like Farscape, there's the X-Files. Or Buffy. Maybe someday SF fans will learn to treat each other with mutual respect. Before reading the talkbacks here, I thought the SF community was more tolerant than the hopelessly redneck town I work in. Live and learn, I guess... -
Sorry. I posted before I was done. Here's the rest:
This TB seems like a reasonable lot, so tell me, is anyone else bugged by the generally negative vibes generated by other TB. I can't read TBs about SW or LotR without people complaining that Lucas or Jackson is ruining the story. And don't get me started on the B5 vs. Trek. I may be out of line, but are SF fans malcontents? -
Savant, you said: "How can you expect TNT to respect it for being "thinking" sf, if that's not what it is?"
Hasn't it been a known fact for some time that TNT didn't GET it period in any way, shape, or form because they didn't want to GET it. They wanted it so they could HAVE it and exploit it. Duh. As far as Crusade lacking the intensity of S1, well I don't know. People seem to forget that both shows really are different. B5's S1 intensity revolved around the character's personal agenda's and parts they played in their own world's plights, politics, ect. Crusade seems to be about reflection and aftermath. We see Dureena struggling to find her own people and identity after the Shadows killed off her world. After Gideon was left behind to die in space he now sees it as his mission to help and change things for those that can't. Galen outwits the entire crew so he can visit his loved one's grave and keeps thinking about all the bad events in his life. These are also examples of magnified personal agendas. In B5 S1, every so often we'd get some personal agenda storyline such as Londo's romance with Adira. But Crusade really seems different so far as the balance of business and personal politics goes. You can't expect the show to 'feel' or 'seem' totally like S1, especially considering that we're dealing with different characters, story, settings, and that we probably will never see the first arc episode. But it all comes down to personal taste of course. Some people just don't like it. And that's OK. But there's something overly cynical about saying that jms should just retire the B5 universe including parts of it like Crusade. Maybe he was overwhelemd to some point, but as Dark Hawke pointed out, the show is still more original than most stuff on TV. -
I admit it, I like Crusade. I don't think it's great TV or even great sci-fi but despite it's weaknesses it does entertain me, the same way that Voyager despite it's many flaws usually manages to entertain me. They are both, along with shows like Sliders, Star Gate SG1, Xena etc., shows that are just popcorn entertainment to me. They're not deep, they rarely tackle anything startlingly new or original and truly great episodes (if any) are few and far between but they still manage to pass the time better than 90 percent of the dreck on tv these days. They are not and never will be must see tv to me in the same way that Babylon 5, Deep Space Nine, Millennium, American Gothic, X-Files, South Park, Simpsons and to a slightly lesser extent Buffy, GvsE and Space Above And beyond are (or were) to me. They're popcorn, they're bubblegum, they're simple no brainer entertainment to me. Sure it's be great if some of those shows could manage to shake their shackles and do something great instead of just 'getting by' but thats the way it is. I think that sci-fi fans (just like any other fanbase) are way too quick to trash one thing just as some kind of backhanded praise or support for something they like. You don't like something fair enough, vote with your finger, give it the bird and change the channel. Having an opinion is fine just so long as you don't use it to bash people over the head with just because they dare to think differently than you do. All of this 'my show is better than your show' bitching and moaning and bullshit is just too fucking immature for words. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but just remember that everyone includes those that (shock! horror! gasp!) have their own opinions and don't agree with you or yours. Of course after saying that I am now going to get flamed by those stating that their opinion is that I should shut the fuck up or something of similar wit and hilarity. Also, just on a side note as sorry as I am to say this I can categorically state that the sci-fi channel has no intentions of picking up Crusade, at least not so far as to produce new episodes. Fact is they have a new B5-ish (in terms that it's sci-fi and it follows an arc, not in terms of actual story) show in the wings that they are in the process of final negotiations to air and perhaps co-fund (things are still being ironed out as we speak). It appears that once again there's just no room for Crusade on the network, plus the suits haven't been overwhelmed with either it's perormance over on TNT or fan reaction to the show, plus then there's the fact that JMS himself really just isn't that interested in the show any more (and many would say never really was). Sure he may say that he is behind it 100% but when it comes down to it Crusade was made more out of TNT's want to create a 'trek like' franchise than out of any great need for JMS to tell this particular story, at least that is how I have come to understand it all. I'm sure that plenty of people will tell me how utterly wrong I am on this, so believe what you want to believe. End of rant.
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I liked the statement about Banzai but I wouldn't say anything's been "debunked". I think it's fairly obvious that it's spin control. After doing some checking that's exactly what it is. Richter and Mac Rauch aren't going to go on record as saying that they're having problems with the network or with Polygram - they don't want to burn any bridges. But I've gottenit confirmed that there are some problems the way things are right now and will stick by that story and it's sources. KJB http://www.backstage-pass.com
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Glad to see action afoot, but I'm confused. Who all is involved in this proposed series? Last I heard, the assets of defunct Gladden Entertainment (the evil Lectroids who held up a sequel) were acquired by MGM as part of the Polygram buyout. Plus, there is the dormant sequel script penned by FANBOYS creator extraordinaire Ernie Cline. Does Fox still have any controlling interest in Banzai and his Blue Blazers?
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Hey, nice to see a familiar name around here. I actually like Chen's music, ***BUT*** I despise the way it is being utilised. Crusade can go an entire act with hardly ANY music. This is SUPPOSED to be a Crusade, ie an Epic. It NEEDS to be scored as such. I will be interested to see how the pre-interference eps go, but I feel that once JMS wrapped up "Sleeping in light", mentally he had pretty much closed the books on Babylon5. "Thirdspace" was something of an emotional let down after making SiL, and "In the Beginning" was basically a kind of epilogue to the show, framing JMS's legacy. As for Season 5 of B5, I think that to a great extent the "wind" in JMS's sails was already gone, which is why Season 5, to a great extent, only manages to survive on the ashes of what came before (With the exceptions of "Deconstruction of Falling Stars", which offers a unique flashforward and "The Fall of Centauri Prime" which would have made for a better TV movie than "Thirdspace" and "River of Souls" combined, and was the ONLY remaining plot thread remaining after season 4).
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Polygram nee MGM owns some of the rights, FOX owns some others as the original distributor. That's always been part of the problem with making Buckaroo sequels - the rights were held by no less than three companies, one of which (Sherwood Productions) ceased operations not long after the film's release. MGM would love to have a viable franchise but that company is really strapped for cash at the moment and is pinning all of it's hopes on Bond.
Something is going to happen with BB but whether or not it's going to become a franchise this time around, nobody really knows. But the script for the pilot is really good and shows a lot of potential. Question is: IF it gets on the air, will FOX give it a chance to find viewers and build an audience or will they kill it like so many other good series and replace it with something starring Jennifer Love Hewitt? KJB http://www.backstage-pass.com -
I recieved this just moments ago from one of my most trusted Rangers and it isn't good.
Hey Ranger.. have you received a Sci-Fi post card saying the "I am sorry to
inform you that the network cannot pick up the show but thank you for your
interest." I received it in the mail today.. and was wondering what your
spin on the issue might be.
What ever fight is left just became even harder. If you do, and I know most of you don't, like the show now is the time to panic. If you don't like the show, and again I know the score, please keep the "I told you so" remarks brief. No one likes a smart ass when they are right.
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I thought that GvsE was as close to unwatchable as a show gets. It looked as though the creators watched every Tarantino film that there was and took all the elements that they thought were "cool" and forced them into the current Xfiles trend of uncreative ripoff television. It's just bad. I managed to get through the premiere episode, but that's all that I can do. It may be of interest if you're 12 years old, which seems to be the average age of posters to this site. I was disappointed with Crusade, as many were. Being a big B5 fan, I was looking forward to it for some time. While B5's mythological inspirations were overt and subtle, Crusade just bangs you over the head with them. From the ship named Excalibur to the Merlinesque wizard/sage on board. Dragons. It also makes the mistake of going where other shows have gone before, mainly Star Trek country. B5 strived for realism. Crusade strives for Voyagerism. Ugh. Its at least watchable, however, unlike GvsE. -D.
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Someone asked..
Has anyone else noticed the decided lack of passion on JMS' part in all of his post-Crusade interviews?>>
Actually I noticed the difference in JMS even before Crusade went into production. I've seen or hear JMS in person several times.
April, 1997: I-Con convention (middle of Season 4)
February, 1998: Gallifrey convention (middle of Season 5)
August, 1998: Worldcon (pre-Crusade production)
February, 1999: Gallifrey
The first time, he was full of excitement when you heard him talk about upcoming episodes and it was infectious. His excitement got me excited.
Each successive time, I saw a decrease in his enthusiasm. His descriptions of the upcoming shows didn't have the same emotion in his voice. (I have this stuff on audio tape)
When he talked to the Worldcon audience by phone (because he couldn't make the convention), there wasn't that much excitement in his voice about the plots. The only thing I recall him harping on was the partnership with JPL--which in the end has seemed irrelevant to the success or failure of the show.
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Aug 04, 1999 10:39:49 AM CDT
Original Crusade pilot airs tonight - Was TNT right? You be the
by mr eurosnob
Do you want to see "Crusade" as JMS originally intended it? Tonight at 10 pm (Eastern, Pacific times) "Racing the Night" will air on TNT. --- Were you turned off by "Crusade"'s weak opening episode? Was TNT's interference justified or not? Is JMS burned out or has he lost his touch completely? See the original concept tonight, and YOU be the judge... --- Before TNT changes, this episode was supposed to air as the pilot episode. --- BTW, for a good unbiased newspaper article on the whole Crusade/TNT situation, go to http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/19990606crusadea4.asp . It's a very good article, with interviews from both sides. --- Spread the word...
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We've not entered the home stretch of this little disaster, tonight (8/04/99) marked the airing of the first produced episode of CRUSADE. Now wasn't it fun? This episode was written, produced and approved by JMS. It was produced without any input from those "Evil folks" at TNT Atlanta. The Buck stops with him for the next five. He has no one to blame for these except himself. Wouldn't this have just been such an audience GRABBER and had the average viewer wanting to come back for more? Didn't you love those great CGI airbike scenes?A person who just can't stand the truth. Just to bring you up to date. Last week's CRUSADE was yet another loser in the ratings dept. The Actors (As well as everyone's) contract expired on July 15. Sci-Fi didn't come to the rescue by July 15 as some poor souls thought they would. Instead they picked up another season of FARSCAPE and decided to produce a new version of THE INVISIBLE MAN.
There was an UNCONFIRMED rumor that the SCI-FI channel has been sending out postcards to the "Save Crusaders" telling them that they're not picking up the show and thanking them for their interest. Can anyone confirm or deny this? The Sets are in storage and the studio rented to another show. The Cast and crew have all been looking for other jobs for months Those who have expressed a strong desire to return haven't lined up new shows I should add.
It looks as if his Gary Cole series will be picked up as a mid-season replacement called SHERMAN OAKS. David Allen Brooks will be joining the cast of YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS. The Ratings are now lower then the final season of B5. The demo's are very weak for the program. Women seem to be tuning out in droves. The blind followers are now waking up! They seem to understand that the end is now near Some fanboys still can't deal with the fact that the game has been over for months.
Whom will JMS blame now for the problems with these last five episodes?Doug Netter? The Man in the moon? The nightmare known as CRUSADE ends on Sept. 1. How will it end? In Madness and a whimper......... CRUSADE IS DEAD.
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Without elaborating, I for one LIKED the episode because it was a lot different than previous epidoes and seemed to focus on sci fi and character interaction at the same time. The scene with Gideon talking to his Apocalypse Box at the end was great and makes me wonder even more how the story would have developed. But that's just my personal preference, eh? Shouldn't you be running around in the street with a sign taped to your shirt yelling that the jms, er the sky is falling? Good grief. It seems strange that people keep looking for reasons not to like the show so they can be the first ones to post a message to a board stating that "jms is a crybaby, it's so obvious why TNT didn't like the show, blah, blah." Has it ever occurred to you that the brains in TNT Atlanta weren't going to keep from interfering in the show no matter how it looked to them at first? What's so bad about a scene with a hoverbike? Netter Digital ruined this episode for you? Manin the Moon? WHAT? People don't like jms because he stands up for what he believes in and is diferent.
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While I know some have already damned these last 5 Crusade episodes, I for one think there is no one to blame for these episodes because it was a truly good episode. I think it was excellent peak into what Crusade could have been without the meddling and it's a shame it won't get to continue. Oh, and by the way, Crusade is not being killed because everyone has suddenly come around to the Fordian line of thinking. (i.e. JMS is Satan) It's because some suit(s) in an office thought so little of his viewers that a program showing any intelligence had to be immediately changed. Oh well, live or die, it's only a TV show...
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I didn't like Fordat 1 comment on Crusade: why so much despise and agressivity? I live in France where the series doesn't seem to have been scheduled yet. I follow B5 through videos I buy from an english mail-order company, and we are in the middle of season 5.
I appreciate B5 for what it is: an effort to create something different in today's stereotypic TV world (come on, Star Trek series only work upon "cutural" redundant effects, and would never have lasted without almost blind support from fans - which many of you reproach to B5 fans concerning Crusade)
I really can't understand the agressivity around JMS. His egocentric personality has NOTHING to do with his work, and he has the right to resist to the network's pressions. B5 has its weaknesses but was by far the best SF efforts in years. Concerning Crusade, I can't judge a series I haven't seen, but come on, all thas cancellation problem comes from an executive decision and has NOTHING to do with creativity and storytelling.
When I see what Earth: Final Conflict has become (I stopped in the middle of season 2, tired of poor dialogues and incredibly weak plots, as if written by teen agers), how is it possible that this show has been picked for 2 more seasons? What about the Stargate: SG1 concept and its pseudo historical and cultural alternatives? What about a NEW Star Trek series? Is that necessary?
Would Earth: FC have been picked up without Gene's prefixe?
Wouldn't Crusade have been picked up WITH the Gene's prefixe?
And a last thing, because we are approaching Sept 13th: if you want to see what happens when creative people try to please the networks and the public without following their own original ideas: compare Space 1999's second season with season 1. Many of you haven't seen this series, but the contrast between the 2 runs is... interesting! ;-) -
I liked this episode quite a bit. It was a pretty good story and it had a nice, "edgy" feel to it. This and "Path of Sorrows" are by far the best two episodes of the nine aired. I'm not entirely sure how it would have worked as a first episode, and of course, now we'll never know. I have enjoyed Crusade so far, and am even getting used to Chen's music (it's actually quite appropriate for Galen). Yes, there have been a couple of episodes whose plots were no better than Voyager, but they were pulled off better. I'm still hoping (though I know the chances are dwindling) that someone can pick this up...
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This site hasn't posted anything remotely interesting for ages. Has Glen lost interest? Where is the news on X-Files 7th season? The coaxial sectioned has really lost its spark since the removal of the Crusade forums.
To anyone thats interested, Crusade is getting good viewing figures here in the UK. Anyway, hope things improve here.
Does anyone know of a really good TV sci-fi site??
PSST! Wanna see a really cool spacecraft? Goto:
http://www.blakes7.com/articles/liberator.html -
You know, Ford, I think that what you need is some kind of assurance that your little Captain Ahab routine wasn't for nothing. So I'll give you some degree of satisfaction. Yes, it is true that Joe's show Crusade has failed to last into a new season. It will end with the next four episodes. Will this end your obsession with Joe and his work? Will you finally stop bashing anyone who happens to like something that Joe has made, despite the fact that you dislike it? Let it rest, man! You told me a few months ago that you did not hate Joe, but I honestly think that you will only be satisfied when every shread of his work is erased from the memory of society. Well, for once, you hit the jackpot. Your words of doom have come true. Unlike every other time in the past, you are right this time. Crusade will come to a close. Let the "fanboys" live in their own deluded fantasy world, and go back to whatever unheralded task that you do when you are not bashing Joe and Babylon 5. And maybe, just maybe, you will get a little bit of recognition for that work so that you can stop tearing other people down to make yourself feel superior.
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Well, after having seen the two recent episodes which aired as JMS would have liked, I have to say they're a vast improvement over the TNT altered versions. This would have been a good way to get the series going. This entire sad affair is...just plain ridiculous. That's television for you!
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