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‘The One That's Going To Win!!’ Ev'rybody Pierre Chang Tonight!! Some Like It Hoth!! LOST 5.13!!
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I am – Hercules!!
Loved last week’s Vaughan-scripted installment, which depicted Locke waving hello to Sun and Frank, Charles Widmore’s exit from the island and Desmond’s foolish failure to have somebody take Ben into custody.
Now. Did Widmore use information somehow garnered from time travel to acquire his great wealth? And who told Ben it would not be cool if he asked Sayid to put a bullet in Charles Widmore’s brain?
Word is this week we finally get a clue as to what Daniel’s been busying himself with these last three years, and apparently they’ve hired a third Eloise Hawking, one older than the gun-brandishing teen but younger than the lady with the island-finding pendulum. Did Ellie leave the island to birth Daniel? And if so, whose your daddy?
ABC says of tonight’s Miles-centric installment, titled “Some Like It Hoth”:
Suspicions about a possible breach intensify after Ben is taken from the infirmary, and a reluctant Miles is forced to work with Hurley when he's asked to deliver an important package to a top Dharma official. Guest starring are Francois Chau as Dr. Pierre Chang, Marsha Thomason as Naomi Dorrit, Doug Hutchison as Horace Goodspeed, Patrick Fischler as Phil, Jon Gries as Roger Linus, Eric Lange as Radzinsky, Leslie Ishii as Lara, Brad William Henke as Bram, Dean Norris as Howard Gray, Tim DeZarn as Trevor, Lance Ho as young Miles and Linda Rose Herman as Evelyn. "Some Like It Hoth" was written by Melinda Hsu Taylor & Greggory Nations and directed by Jack Bender.
Next Wednesday is free of fresh “Lost,” then sweeps sweeps in the final four new season-five hours:
5.14 (April 29) “The Variable” (Daniel Faraday-centric)
5.15 (May 6) “Follow The Leader” (Richard Alpert-centric)
5.16-17 (May 13) “The Incident” (two-hour season finale)
9 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.
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hoo yah
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bitches!!
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If were going begin tying up loose ends they better show how they got Jaws onto the island.
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that is all
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DI brought it...or it was indiginous wildlife they branded.
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Didn't know 'Follow The Leader' was Alpert-centric. Goddammit.
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We need this talk-back earlier...I only now have an hour left of work
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God. It's just like I thought; I'm as amped to see every episode left equally, 'cause they're all gonna' be the plot equivilency of a punch in the junk.
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Faraday centric and Alpert centric episodes leading to the finale make me gooey.
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Does this mean Dr. Evil will be behind the whole thing
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Seriously.
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This is fake, right?
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Damon Lindelof 0wns j00.
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First person on this talkback to mention Adam and Eve is a fucking spanner.
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Miles-centric, Faraday-centric, Alpert-centric. Sweet sassy molassey!!!!!
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The scene with Ben being shown his mistakes kinda reminded me of the abysmal ending to Van Helsing. I hope with the few eps remaining they minimize the cheese.
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I'll be pissed if it turns out to be either Desmond or Faraday pulling some quantum time travel voodoo and thats where Faraday has been for three years
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... but I find myself leaning towards the Atlantis theory these days...
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I usually try to avoid looking at info on coming episodes but seeing an Alpert-centric episode is coming made my tax day! I've been waiting for that episode for a while... here's hoping we get to see him walking around during the time of the four toed statue!
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I read a rumor a few days ago that the last episode of this season will focus on...Wait for it...JacobSupposedly they show Jacob and his interactions with the losties over the years (pre-island).**End Possible SPOILER***
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It's all Norse mythology. According to Jensen.
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I had a feeling all that Egypt stuff was a red herring. It was too much all over the place and in our face for it to be that easy of an answer.
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I think tonight has the possiblity of being the greatest road trip comedy ever.
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Fine by me. The comic relief episodes are some of the best ones IMO.
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With this old-man Jin in the temple thing?
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Anyone know what that reference is? Empire Strikes Back? Cold donkey wheel room? That would be sweet.
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I thought they covered that with Stargate. If Macgyver pops out and fixes the time travel donkey wheel with popsicle sticks and sweat I'll laugh my ass off
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I won't mention anything here, but if you got to the spoiler sections lostpedia, dark ufo, etc. you will find out exactly what they are talking about. I found out and I really wish I hadn't looked, it is probably the biggest spoiler of the season or show yet.
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Stop spoiling shit
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i would agree that was not well played.
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That wasn't my intention.
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Just the name of the 2-part season finale has got me so stoked: The Incident. For those who don't remember, in the Swan station training video, Dr. Candle said that shortly after they began experiments on the island's electromagnetism, there was "an incident" that required Dharma to create the protocol to put in the numbers every 108 minutes.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ4VuFjxo40http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_incident
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The trolls who continue to post spoilers in talkbacks are so obviously and pathetically yearning for attention. Really guy? In a friggin public internet forum? Get out more.
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Why no more invisotext? Did ABC stop sending you screeners?
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Both dark ufo and lostpedia only post possible explainations as to what might happen. Quite frankly it seems like those guys don't know shit. Most of their "answers" consist of stuff you already know
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Because it seems almost too outlandish to be true. I figured it was one of those rumours everyone pretty much knew was false except for me.
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Very true... it's all speculation, but if you wanted to know what the above poster may be referring to, there you go.
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Look, you know Herc won't give a talkback for Supernatural. So what say we just designate a page, and have the Supernatural talkback there?
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Apr 15, 2009 3:46:05 PM CDT
Why does Pierre Chang have a hand in Orchid, Pearl, but not Swan
by billboefett
Aren't we led to believe the Swan came first? Both Swan and Pearl have 1980 copyright dates... shot on 16mm film reels. The Pearl seems to indicate its objective is to monitor the "psychological experiment" of the button pushers in the Swan..its why Locke felt so betrayed and pissed off and told Eko and Desmond to stop typing the numbers. The Orchid seems newer, recorded on VHS (the recording ability didn't really come out until mid 80s, possibly around 1985 or later), utilizes 80s synthesizer music, etc. Yet in both the Pearl and Orchid vids, he has both hands. The Swan seems like an introductory lesson, focusing on what the Dharma Initiative is, etc. Is Chang doing some time travel? Is there more than one physical human being.. at least 3 of them, with different names and not just one man with different aliases? Note he also has his hand in the Comic-Con video pleading with someone from the future to "change the past" with Faraday filming.
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Not just the cold "Hoth", possibly the Orchid area on the island, but Luke also lost his hand going up against Vader. Is this the ep where Chang loses his hand?
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i feel a time travel headache/nosebleed coming on...
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I forgot he lost a hand/arm in that one video. Same person? Brothers? Clones?
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That's a very astute conclusion, about the Luke-Chang-hand connection. I always 'Hoth' was just a reference to the icy, frozen donkey wheel, 'foreign matter' area.
What up jay, and everybody!
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I hadn't heard that. I figured it'd be Hurley's since we haven't yet heard why he came back on 316. But shit, RA-centric would be awesome.
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Maybe this is where Dharma try to escape the island? Or at least some of them...
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but could someone ruining the end of esb lead to dharma finding out they are from the future?
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...and my typos begin.
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...that the episode titles are nearly always red herrings. Either that or such roundabout references that the meaning could in no way be percieved by just reading the title. In all likelyhood The Incident ep. won't even include the fabled INCIDENT.
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Because in the Swan video copyrighted 1980 Chang mentions 'the Incident' and says they don't want to have another one. Radzinsky apparently removes some of the reel which talks about someone using the Swan (or another) computer to contact the outside world. This is strictly forbidden as it would lead to another Incident.
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Yes! I'm pretty sure this is at least as exciting, if not more exciting news, than when we learned of the first Ben centric episode. Should be some wild-crazy shit going on in that episode. Fucking Sucks About Next week though. I thought they said they weren't gonna do that shit any more.
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Copy that.
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Those of us in the know have known about it for some time. Yet we resisted posting in talkbacks.
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Look like they will be all set in Dharma time. When will we get back to the shadow statue people?
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Because the Lostees stay on the island until current times, having controlled the others along the way.
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God I miss the Wire.
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The Swan and Pearl videos were on reel to reel tape because if they were on VHS the electromagnetic energy would wipe out the magnetic data ;)
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VHS, while incredibly expensive, was first available in '76. I'm sure Dharma could afford it.
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I'll be back after I download this later; somebody's tv fell victim to the recession. Hope its a good one, we know it'll be funny.
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shot by all the weapons she put in other hands
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That's really funny.
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For some reason I honestly don't remember Chang missing a hand in the Swan video. Was it very obvious he was missing a hand or something you catch on repeat viewings? As far as next week, WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!?! I can't believe tat we have to go two weeks again. Weren't we all told that the reason we had to go through 8-9 months of no Lost fix was so we would get 3-4 months of the pure unadulterated, ununimpeded bliss that is Lost without interruption. Those fuckers! By the way, in response to Herc's statement that * SPOILER IF YOU DIDN"T READ HERC'S SYNOPSIS * tonight features a third actress in the role of Eloise Hawking, I have a question. We all seem to be in complete agreement that the Ellie from the 50's is Eloise, I don't think anyone argues that. However, has it ever actually been confirmed? Has it ever been stated that Eloise Hawking was an Other or that she had been to the Island? I agree that it's her as well, but as far as I can recall the show has never come out and confirmed it. One more thing and then I'm off to count the minuted of Jack Bauer-like torture until Lost starts. I know I'm in the minority here but I think that Richard is the one character that should have never gotten a flashback episode. There has to be something that is left shrouded in mystery when the show ends. I think Richard's character is the shit and all but I think the reason for that is the mystery surrounding him. Perhaps it's necessary for him to get an episode, maybe he's the key to everything which would make explaining him necessary. If, however, he is just one piece of the puzzle by show's end, I personally would have perferred him stay mysterious, eyeshadow and all. It's Wednesday! Namaste Mother Fuckers!!!
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One last thing, VCRs are a lot older than 1985. They were around in the 70's. It's just common folk like you and me couldn't get one without taking out a loan.
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I believe the reason the Swan video had all that "introductory/about the Dharma Initiative" stuff is because once they realize our Losties are not salvage boaters, they probably become much more cautious about who they give information to. New people get stuck in the Swan where the people in the Pearl can keep watch over them, make sure they're not hostiles, make sure they don't go crazy, and make sure they keep pushing the button. I have a feeling that Radzinsky knew there were people in the Pearl watching him the whole time, but never told Kelvin... hence the invisible map.
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Do you all remember when this stuff was up butt crack early in the morning?
Me neither I was still sleeping but that's beside the point.
3-4 o'clock just seems late. How else could all of us who love Lost baskk in it's glory? Or trolls, um troll. Where's the JUSTICE man!
Pitch in a tea bag today on the American holiday of suck the life out of you tax day
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So what is up with Radzinsky. He seemed to be pretty far up the Dharma ladder, then he becomes relegated to the Swan? A little confused, but perhaps it will all be explained.
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I love what Bilbo said about Luke/Candles hand. I never thought about it.
One thing that occured to me was that Some Like It Hot was a movie I think with Maralyn Monroe in it. I've never seen it. But its an interesting juxtapostion hot & cold. I remember that in Hoth one of the rebels reported to Han Solo that Luke had not returned. So Solo said that he was going out to find him and the rebel said that he would freeze to death. Solo said "Well I'll see you in Hell!" which is a hot place. Another thought is that in the begining of Empire Solo is in a very cold place (Hoth) and at the end of the movie he's in a place that's cold but looks very hot (the carbon freezing chamber in Bespin). Maybe also like Empire this is a time when everything starts to go really bad for everyone? Candle losses his arm, La Fleurs cover being blown, The Incident? -
It's been good, but it's meandered around a lot. I hope Season Six has a good focus to ride us through to the end.
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And Daniel is Penny's Brother. C'mon its true.
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The new Desmond/Sayid Bromance.
"Hey Fatty Fatso whatcha eating?? Or should I say who"
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Apr 15, 2009 4:37:53 PM CDT
Hey Fatty Fatso whatcha eating?? Or should I say who
by hot_ham_water_fan
"Kate's leftovers"
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The show has not come out and said it. The Podcasts maybe, but not the show.
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I ment tame like a dog or made uninteresting.
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I was the one two weeks ago who shouted out that Daniel and Penny were twins and that Widmore and Ellie had to leave the Island to give birth to the two of them. I'm sure I wasn't the first to put the theory out there but last week pretty much shut that theory down. Ben said that Widmore had left the Island and had an affair and a child with a woman who was not 'one of them.' If Ellie and Eloise truly are the same woman than Farraday and Penny wouldn;t be siblings as Ellie was 'one of them.'
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The theory is that herc no longer gets advanced episodes of Lost. Therefore, no invisi spoilers and not up until mid afternoon on Wednesday (eastern). Bitter?
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Thanx for the clarification, I wasn't sure
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Haha, Herc. You're a silly bitch. That totally made up for the late talkback. All is forgiven.
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Apr 15, 2009 4:42:05 PM CDT
We're getting to see Jacob at the end of the season right?
by drewlicious
Because the rumor is that he shows up later on and that Mark Pelligrino is playing him. If you want to stay surprised as to what he looks like then don't look at his IMDB profile.
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Yeah, in the past he used to give star ratings and a more detailed description of the night's show. He doesn't do any of that anymore and waits until the last mintue to post the TB. The producers probably shut him out
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Someone mentioned that seeing a Alpert episode would take away some of the mystique. I would have to saw Alpert would be okay, but I would like Jacob to remain more of a mystery.
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I have a feeling that tonights episode will be cool like the Hurley fix the Dharma Van episode in season 3.
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If you all want to read some funny shit, check out the comments on any lost related articles on Watch w/ Kristen and Doc Jensen's blogs. Wow. All they talk about on WWK is the !@#$% love triangles.
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Is it me or is he a really annoying asshole? I hope someone lays his ass out before painting the ceiling with his brain.
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Livid.
But I'll get over it.
Just miss the checking from work and seeing posts all day.
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But so has that black haired security guy. I think his name is Phil?
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Good to see you again! I stayed up late compiling scenes for a new video. I just need to make time to oraganize them.
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He had an opportune chance there, but he he throws him into the ocean?
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The dead body is Faraday. Mark my words, he'll be controlling everything by possessing the body of the asian ghost whisperer and killing jack and kate in the cave thereby completing the adam and eve scenario ( someone had to say it) then he will start a glorious bromance with Richard who will magically make a child names jacob appear out of the ghost box so the two of them can live gayly ever after on the island after the incident which shoots them 1000 years into the future where Jacob uses a transdimensional time helmet to fuck it all up in the first place ensuring his existence. Wow, i could probably just write the rest of the season myself
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Phil as been kind of funny in his idiocy though, Radzinsky seems like someone who just thinks his shit doesn't stink and the boss of everyone
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Instead of the vans, biild a train system!
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we haven't seen what happened after Desmond threw Ben into the water or how Ben got a sling put on his arm. Hopefully we will see the missing scenes this season. Although I'm not sure how they would fit into one of the future centric episodes. I just hope Ben doesn't talk his way out
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Sounds great buddy. I'll have to relearn how to do the darn things. Just when we were catching our stride.....
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Any chance the polar bears were being trained to turn the space time donkey wheel so no one had to leave the island? And i'm still thinking the shark was trained to use a rifle and that's who was shooting at team Locke during the time shifts. Stop me if i'm gettin warm
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Sorry if someone already said this, but I didn't read all the TBs. I think Hoth is from HP Lovecraft - Yog-Sothoth (sp?) is a gatekeeper for the Ancient Ones, like Cthulhu. Oh crap, I just said his name out loud. Aarrghhhh!!!
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J hope Penny and Des tied him up and gave him a severe beating, and then Charlie kicked him in the leg.
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all the way.
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Ben seems like the kind of guy who'd keep a sling handy. You go after a menacing scotsman's family, you're looking at some injuries win or lose.
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You can say Cthulhu out loud. The one you can't say out loud is Hastur.
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guys go see the stargate talkback, its wayyy much more fun than this already deadbeat show. http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/40772 u guys need to realize that LOST is one of those crappy shows, while stargate is just too good to be true kinda show. im sometimes perplexed by its astounding consistency in providing solid entertainment for all these years. its really inspiring.
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As long as I don't think about it too hard... I'll admitt, that kind of puts a little smile on my face.
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i'm pretty sure hoth is a reference to star wars.
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in one of the podcasts, they said the shark with the DI brand was more or less a one off, something of an easter egg to start fucking with all of us about what the hell the dharma initiative is.
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Some like it Cold as opposed to Some Like it Hot. The key is cold.
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stargate is such a tiredass show and you post about it in every fucking TB
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the only reason a certain someone keeps posting in here is because everyone keeps acknowledging him. Just ignore him like his mother did and he will search for acceptance somewhere else.
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"asked to deliver an important package to a top Dharma official" hmmm, its 1977, Hoth.... It is either a cryogenically preserved body, or a smuggled copy of Star Wars on whatever film format the station training tapes are in.
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just to add to the mix...
i love when something potentially has so many levels of meaning.
since many have been specualating on all the god/goddess references the god thoth in egyptian mythology is not only "considered the heart and tongue of RA" but he also "He has further been involved in arbitration, magic, writing, science, and the judging of the dead". plus, in the Osiris myth... "After Isis gathered together the pieces of Osiris' dismembered body, he gave her the words to resurrect him so she could be impregnated and bring forth Horus. When Horus was slain, Thoth gave the formulae to resurrect him as well".
science, magic, judgement, AND resurrection? curiouser and curiouser.
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Means all these things at the same time. MY HEAD IS COMBUSTING!
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not specualating. sheesh
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Apr 15, 2009 6:59:43 PM CDT
I was wondering when Stargate boy would show up.
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
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Apr 15, 2009 7:02:10 PM CDT
redfishbluefish & barfy dog are our Godesse's!
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
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but no penitence, please. the kneeling makes me blush. :)
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umm... I always thought it was some clever subterfuge - like his ever-changing name - just to throw "people" off, and he actually was in possession of all his limbs the whole time...
of course why they engaged in clever subterfugre in the first place, remains a mystery?
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It's not like he built the fucking railroads, man!
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Who shall die? Who shall die!!! neither I should hope. Too much to ask I feature..Weird of it is Sonya Walger's show is based on a book by a dude named Sawyer called..wait for it ..Flash Forward.
From ABC's web: "What if you were shown a glimpse of your future, but didn't like what you saw? How hard would you fight and what would you sacrifice to keep it from coming true? When an unexplained, cataclysmic event knocks out the entire population of the world at the exact same moment, for two minutes and 17 seconds, everyone will see a glimpse of their own future. Then they will wake up to chaos. From his flash forward, LA FBI Agent Mark Benford is able to piece together the 'when' April 29, 2010, but he's desperate to figure out the 'why' and stop what's coming because it's a future he doesn't want to see. In the future, Mark's beloved wife has left him for the father of one of her patients. He's started drinking again, his loyal partner's been murdered and masked operatives are hunting him down. Before long, everyone starts asking themselves and each other, "What did you see?" As Mark and his team struggle to figure out what caused this bizarre event and wonder will it happen again, the only thing they have to go on is a huge mosaic of people's flash forwards."
Hmmm...that sounds sorta kinda familiar...sorta. And 2:17? And that date being soooo close to the series finale of LOST..ultimate crossover conspiracy oppo..would be very suspicious had Sawyer not written the book back in 1999...sounds kind of groovy. Confusing coincidence with fate. yep
"...he would tell you, if I may speak in his place, not to crucify yourself on a shadow such as old resentment or impossible loyalties. Perfect freedom has no existence. A grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is... I crossed this floor in spoken friendship...when I go up those stairs I become the hand of Jacob, ready to crush all those who challenge his authority. There are too many small men of envy and ambition who try to disrupt the Island. You have become the victor and hero to these people. They look to you, their one true god as I called you. If you stay here, you will find yourself part of this tragedy."
"..I am already part of this tragedy."
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I thought the whole fucking point of doing these shortened season was so that we could get 16 straight weeks of Lost without interruption and all that bullshit that accompanied the first few seasons. This is now the second break they're taking by skipping a week. WHAT. THE. FUCK!
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i feel sorry for u losers coz u will never be able to comprehend the what a good show stargate is. u guys are so sad, just following the trends and becoming the sheep that the media conglomerates want you to be. stargate is for people who are sharp and have depth. plus chicks dig stargate u fuckers, i can get layed just by talking about stargate easily. stargate fans are like 70% chicks anyway.
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3 hours 30mins till we can even think of coming back to the TB.
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He's a nervous annoying assface, IMO. I hope it turns out to be Sayid who shoots him in the Swan
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Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a shit about the rules? Mark it zero! Mark it zero! You think I'm fucking around here? Mark it zero!
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Nice tie-back, Maniaq.
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true dat, brother, true dat Has anyone brought up the idea of Sayid teaching the Others to fight? Here and there throughout the history of the show, the Others have been shown to be able to fight like Zach Snyder's wet dream. Ethan, Goodwin, and hell even Juliet have thrown down some serious ass kicking in the past. What if Sayid, obviously unable to join up with Dharma after shooting little Bennie in the chest, joins up with the Others and trains them in the art of Sayid ass pounding; explaining how they all learned to fight so well?
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Its all because of April/May sweeps. ABC is stretching things out just so there will be enough Lost episodes to cover the upcoming Sweeps. Its all a money advirtising thing.
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Cause the last episode is two hours.
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Aren't sweeps in February or March? I thought they were earlier than April but then again I don't remember hearing anything about sweeps in the last month or so. Sweeps steals away my unbroken chain of Lost goodness.
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look, man, I've got certain information, all right? Certain things have come to light. And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I... this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it's not just, it might not be just such a simple... uh, you know?
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I can get you a toe in an hour, dude
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I actually ran into Darlton last Comic-Con and was asking them about a debate that we had a year & a half ago about if Ethan when fighting Jack had been aided by the island or if he was a really good fighter and they said that The Others have special training that all of them go through when someone becomes an Other. So thats how Mikial, Ethan, Juliet, etc have such great fighting skills. Now thats not to say that Sayid didn't start it all, but ether way someone had has been training new Others for awile now.
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It's Wednesday. Everyone remove your pants because Lost is on.
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i cant wait for the richard episode
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i completely striped naked for this...
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..you know thats what I meant...
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Claire was Goth Claire. Then I want to conduct an official Dharma experiment where I'm trapped under water and the only source of oxygen is what I can breath from between her legs. I'm not sure what the scientific value would be, but it would be the first 10000000000 hour science experiment ever.
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i get it, the writers are amazing.
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god i hate radzinsky
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you think her queefs have that same accent?
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Good to hear that the writers remember the Others can fight; sometimes it seems they conveniently forget
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Don't break the rules!
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...the perfect example of like the stanford experiment or something like that, where this guy is given a little bit of power and now he's become mean and paranoid and just plane nasty to people that he perceives beneath him. You know if anything like this happened to you in real life there would totally be a radzinski in the group.
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is named after himself!?
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this episode is such a filler
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The whole idea goes on a loop.. he had to be named before he traveled back in time.
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sucks?
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Bounty Hunter? Hoth? Hurley's writing Star Wars sequels.
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"You talk to dead people. It's ok, I do too!" LOL!!!
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This is probably SOO out there... but wouldn't that be a shocking twist? I'm expecting SOME twist about Miles' father...
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Sympathy fuck for Roger.
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So Miles had sex with Jin?
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dad!
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Did not see that happening
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THE BIGGEST PLOT TWIST EVER!!
CHANG is MILES' DAD! wow
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Apr 15, 2009 8:34:44 PM CDT
I don’t know why they call it Hoth, they should call it Coldth.
by mustang_dvs
I've got nothing to contribute.
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of them staying in the Seventies and interacting with the Others, I think Jack would teach them how to fight, Sayid moreso subterfuge and weaponry. Remember, Jack gave Ethan a run for him money AFTER falling down a hill and ultimately smacked him around. Plus doesnt he have some sort of training...still catching up.
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"i like country"
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NUMBERS!
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Just cause Miles is Asian, huh? Lazy writing.
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Rusty from Seinfeld is killing me.
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Aha! So Widmore DID fake the plane crash and empty the graveyard for bodies! Check that mystery solved.
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I read that Vito rapes Jack.
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getting weird now
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seem to have the same sort antagonistic relationship tha kate had with sawyer in the beginning. now is the time for her to fist juliet and get it over with
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HAHA Greatest use of Time Travel EVER.
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just won the universe
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...but doesnt know the names of the probe droids or bowcaster?
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Don't make prequels!
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Kate is fucking hot.
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Hurley was making to Empire...can't say that it needs any.
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sawyer is good with those cheapshots!
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now THATS funny!
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more AT-AT's
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should of popped Juliet across the throat and told her to stop breathing through her mouth.
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Rewrite Return of the Jedi and get rid of those damn ewoks.
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More Boba Fett!
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Just put in the Star Wars reference specifically to derail this talkback.
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I TOLD YOU
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how to explain what Charlotte, Miles and probably Daniel just did?
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Somebody said it! Er..AGAIN!
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can hurley save return of the jedi or would he need desmond?
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what the fuck is all that about? And these fans bash BSG? For shame.
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Luke got his hand cut off BEFORE Darth Vader says he's Luke father!!!!
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clip show? fuck you abc
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I got a bit teary eyed there at the end with Miles and his dad...
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Oh dear, how is this going to work out now.
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I know you were making a joke, but Hurley's point was they should have talked from the beginning. That's what family does. Vader's mistake was trying to fight instead of just outright saying "Hey, I'm your dad."
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PS: ROTJ is better than ESB, even with the Ewoks
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Seems to be that Dharma and the Others are free to come and go as they please. But after the "Incident" certain rules were created. Such as leaving the island.
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I would chose the hatch half-full option and that's still in play, as far as we know.
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Widmore can't come back bc he can't find the Island. Has nothing to do with rules. The rules are the same rules referenced when Ben said "He changed the rules," in regards to Alex's death. Honestly, I think the rules have something to do with killing or allowing other Others to die.
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you can't come back alive
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Form of an overweight amish guy, form of an asian sixth sense ripoff.
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"these aren't the rules your looking for", "he can go about his business". "move along"
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Ben, Widmore, DHARMA scientists over and over again...
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Filler episode... I guess we'll spend the remaining episodes for this season detailing the riveting backstories of Frogurt and the baby Hurley's carrying, and resolve the 5,234,643 remaining loose ends in the final season.
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seem to be from some other group
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And was almost executed for it. If those *are* the rules referenced.
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Every episode is becoming more brilliant as time goes by. I could spend another 10 years with these characters.
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Hurley's plan will fail, and his script will ultimately become the first official Star Wars fanfic. Lucas will instead decide to incorporate Ewoks into Empire (in order to increase merch sales, of course). Wicket W. Warrick will take Yoda's place and instruct Luke in the ways of the force, and it will be revealed that Chewbacca is actually just an Ewok with an acute case of gigantism.
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furry arms.
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I would hope we have a more substantial interaction with van-guy, Ileana and groupies.
I'm not sure if I know what lies in the shadow of the statue, but it would seem there is some meat on this particular storyline that I perhaps had thought way back when it started to brew. It's intriguing enough, and seemingly "core-mythology" relevant enough, that I hope it's well served in the coming episodes. -
I know he was trying to make a point but you have to get it right writers. Luke found out Vader was his dad AFTER getting his hand cut off....and Ewoks don't suck. Don't judge me.
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I thought people were crazy when they suggested there is a 3rd group at play, but maybe they were right. Maybe Ellie Hawking IS a 3rd faction. Because let's see, if they worked for Widmore, they wouldn't care about Miles going on the ship. If they worked for Ben, I'm sure they would have communicated after the crash. Then again, maybe they ARE working for Ben and that's why Illana grabbed Sayid. But why ask that possible Other code riddle "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" Miles doesn't know and therefore he isn't ready to go to the Island? Sounds like the zero tolerance policy Widmore seemed to espouse (ordering Ben to exterminate Rousseau and Alex).
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1)widmore is doing all this as a grudge against ben?and more important, who or what is widmore and ben really, 2)who is this opposing group against widmore, and wtf is in the shadow of the statue? 3) wtf is the smoke monster and this whole egyptian connection to the island / others? 4)who or what is richard alpert and jacob/christian 5) we know the connection miles, faraday, and bloody nose have to the island/others/dharma, but what about the oceanic group, why are they important? 6)what really happened to john upon returning since ben says dead is dead on the island, and was john the smoke monster in human form last week? im sure there are other mysteries but these are the ones im wrestling with
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Will look at the Oceanic 6 "from a new perspective"? I actually don't mind these recap specials if they're done well. There are plenty of people out there who wouldn't mind a refresher before the season finale. Not everyone is as obsessed as we are. The timeline between them leaving the Island and coming back to the Island has been very fragmented and we still have unanswered questions. Do we still want to be watching flashbacks about why they went back in Season 6?
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They set up the important points and clue you in on to what will be addressed in the future, what's important to remember, etc. Its fun to watch and to start making theories based on what they tell you.
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Tribal teddy-bears! I love the post-modern jokiness of it all! The only better take on such cute, fluffy things were Moreau's experiments from the second volume of "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen".
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He asked where that money was and then told him to leave.
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Seriously... write Lucas a script for Star Wars 7-9 with Admiral Thrawn. And find a way to work Mara Jade into the films.
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I love that the title is 'The Variable' and it's a Dan episode. Hopefully it will tie in with Desmond and the whole 'constant' stuff. Then an Alpert episode! Jesus, it's going to be 2 kick ass episodes back to back.
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Course I was 2 when I first saw the movie. But I like how they work as the technologically inferior race that manages to be successful in their insurgency.
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I don't keep up with spoilers for future episodes. And you just ruined what would have been a fantastic surprise.
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Ilana and Bram are OTHERS! Thay're trying to stop Widmore and that's why Ben knew what Miles was talking about when he mentioned the 3.2 mill in Eggtown. Because those peeps told him that would be his price.
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And make it so that he can't suck!
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I mean "it."
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Fucking ADHD addled fucking pissants with your pathetically engorged senses of entitlement. This was a great episode with heart and humora nd we got to see coll shit like the Swan and Orchid being built.
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Suck it Jabba.
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I think its plausible they do work for Ben. I'm just surprised we haven't seen any interactions from them yet after the crash. Though, of course, that would ruin the surprise. But why bother asking Lapidus the statue riddle? Surely they'd know, from Ben, who was an Other on the plane and who wasn't. Though maybe, juuuuuust maybe, when Lapidus returned from the expedition to Main Island, they thought that perhaps Ben had converted Lapidus into an Other, so they asked the code riddle as confirmation... And they asked Miles that to see if Widmore had given him Other info/teachings too.
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God damn blaring shitty guitar riffs ebery five seconds are giving me a damn headache.
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Hurley is like Warren Buffet in the past.
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I could have heard it wrong.
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I was wondering why we didn't see faraday on the island...but this makes no sense...why would he have left the island? Where was he when sawyer and company ended in the 70's? Didn't he come with them? Or did he disappear and now we hear where he's been?
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He did go back with them to 74 but at some point in the three years they have been there he hopped aboard the Galaga for a trip to AA and is just now returning. He sure seemed peppy too. He must know a bunch of juicy shit.
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The first, and as far as I remember, only person to say that if you leave the island you can't return was Ben.
Now, Ben is a chronic liar, to say the least, and we have seen multiple people leave and come back one way or another.
I propose that, after Locke blew up the submarine, Ben was looking for a way to get off the island in order to go after Widmore and Penny. Plus he needed a quick escape from the freighter folk.
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Really? Ewoks didn't ruin Star Wars. I mean Return of the Jedi isn't nearly as bad as any of the prequels. It has it's moments. The fight between Luke and Vader is classic, and we finally learn what the emperor is all about. It's a pretty good movie. Just not great like Empire or Star Wars(it wasn't called A New Hope when it came out).
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When do you remember a name? Last week or in the van this week?
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I think the "rules" are for The Others. Dharma people can do whatever the hell they want.
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the rules of leaving the island only apply to certain people. and another good question is what did Ben mean about Charles changing the rules when they killed Alex?
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Ben wasn't lying when he said "When you turn the wheel, you can't come back to the Island." I theorized after the finale, and correctly now it seems, that what he meant was turning the wheel teleports the turner off the Island, and it also *moves* the Island. And since the teleporter is thrown into the future, he has *no* idea where the Island is, and thus he can't return to it. So what he said was true, from a certain point of view. That's a Star Wars axiom that all must adhere to when analyzing LOST and previous revelations.
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my point is that we didn't see that happen, right? we just assumed that because they didn't show us anything in the last 3 weeks involving faraday, right? and again, when did young faraday's mom show up?
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it's on Lostpedia: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bram
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I like that Other rule.
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um...i'm not one of them, but i do know there are those who hated the ewoks. those whiners got their payback when George invented Jar Jar
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The 50's flashback. We met a young woman named "Ellie" that reminded Faraday of someone he knew.
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Right. We didn't see him leave. I'm sure it will be explained in the nest episode. Faraday's young mother Ellie was when they traveled back to the 50's. We haven't seen where she is in the 70's yet. possibly in AA.
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Sort of like the Galaga, a name you only get through closed captioning or script credits.
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Sorta like the concept of a badass Gungan bounty hunter.
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they've said the name this season on the show but in past seasons it was just "the sub."
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I read that the first time the name was revealed was in the subtitles for the Season 3 episode in which Tom and some Others take the sub out to steal Desmond's sailboat from Sun, Sayid, and Jin. Pickett's wife apparently mentions it (in the subtitles) when she's quietly talking to Pickett at a place where Sawyer can't hear what they're saying. I don't remember hearing the Galaga this season- only "The sub". did Chang mention it at the end of the ep? I didn't quite make out what he told Miles.
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The Ewoks fucking suck. Amen, brother.
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You might be right about galaga. I thought they had but can't find it. They definitley said bram in the van tonight though because i didn't hear the name previously.
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all the time. As did some of the Others after they killed off Dharma. It's a matter of whether or not you could ever find your way back. Just in case you people missed it the first time. Ben is a fucking liar. He wasn't even supposed to turn the donkey wheel, Locke was, which is why the island started skipping and Locke had to turn the wheel again and bring the O6 back to fix it. The plot isn't that hard to follow.
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come on guys, the rules don't prohibit leaving and coming back...that's dumb...everyone has done it..ben, sheriff roscoe, michael, the 4 losties, charlotte, miles, richard alpert....
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Ok, maybe this has been suggested before and I missed it but what if the smoke monster IS the shadow of the statue.
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But I like your thinking that it isn't a literal answer like Jughead or the Temple. I think its a riddle. I think the answer is Death.
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Apr 15, 2009 10:39:44 PM CDT
Offtopic: A Heroes season finale possibility that will make u
by pennsy
puke: http://tinyurl.com/dcxfyc.
This couldn't wait for next week's penultimate episode and that this week's TB is already off the main AICN page. I almost threw up in my mouth when I saw this. Forewarned is forearmed... -
Apr 15, 2009 10:41:16 PM CDT
Where's the best recaps? I've given up on watching weeks ago...
by flip63hole
All I need is a good explanation but nothing ridiculous. Thanks!
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So I don't want any spoilers, but why will it make us puke? Because its so stupid and god-awful, or because it steals from LOST?
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but after tonight's episode seems to be hinting pretty strongly that season 6 will deal with whatever this new group is as the main antagonists. I feel as strong as this season has been its going to come off almost as all filler while even though we are learning stuff its just going to end up back in 2007 where nothing has changed because whatever happened, happened.
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I love the fun stuff Lost continues to come up with even in its most serious episodes. Another great hour added to the Lost library. Miles and Hurley are a great pair up. Too bad we have to sit through one of those shitty catch-up things that they advertise as being important. Richard Alpert: Time Pimp Episode FTW
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That at the end of S4, we're still in the funeral home with Locke in a coffin. All we did was learn how they got there. But the fun comes from the journey. I'm sure S6 will be all about the big War Widmore and Bram hinted at. It seems both sides are preparing for the inevitable. How they both know its coming is beyond me. Ben did say in the Season 3 finale that the Island was about to be dealt some stresses that were far stronger than anything it had ever encountered. The Freightie mercs weren't much, but they were the harbinger for what's to come. Next season: WAR. And zombies!
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You know I was with you on the first read..that is was a challenge question..and metaphorical (death). On reflection, it occurs..assuming certain some such apogees and perigees and things of that nature....perhaps, and more interestingly..the challenge is literal. Understanding the query is not just a question of geography, but of TIME! Wow We We Wow! The only way to know the literal answer of:
"What lies in the Shadow of the statue?"
Would be to have been there in that time, when the Statute was whole and tall and in those times specific solar astronomical x,y,z positional when the Statute stood tall and foreboding..interesting.
So to be literal..what lies in the Shadow? 'The Door'. Remember 'The Door'? The 'unfinished' station Sayid so poorly cleared doing a John F'ng Wayne style sweep with a one hand grip on an SKS..(would have broke his wrist had he had to shoot)..What lies in the Shadow?? I'm going with 'The Door'
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yeh i can see that point. Season 6 is going to be big. who is the third party lead by? ( as of right now i am going to go with Ellie unless they introudce a new character in follow the leader that might have closer ties with Alpert). Will this force the Losties to forge an alliance with Widmore? ( is this new groud better or worse than Widmore). And, of course it comes down to how Jacob fits into this whole situation?
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Apr 15, 2009 11:13:46 PM CDT
Truthfully, I rather know more about Walt than Miles.
by hollywoodhellraiser
Before the "Walt story is done" crowd chimes in I have to add this ep didn't do anything for Miles.I mean who gives a shit who his dad is and we already know about his ghost whispering so big deal!However it was Hurley and little bits of whats going on with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer that saved this ep for me!A decent ep only for the shit thats about to go down in 2 weeks!
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I think the rules have more to do with timeline dos and donts.
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Also interesting how you managed to be the only Talkbacker I've EVER seen do "boldface" type in a Talkback... Impressive. Most impressive. As are your ideas. I still think the question is one that defines the responder as "enlightened" or not, but perhaps the answer is both literal and metaphorical. Like, Death is the answer, but Death in the form of Smokie? Or even "The Door"? Which reminds me of a scary story I read as a kid about a crazy old mountain hermit that lived on a mountainside. Some pple said he was guarding a mineshaft that held a huge lode of gold or jewels, and he always shot at intruders. Well, some stupid teens decided to go up one day and break into his shack on the mtn side to get what he had. It turned out he was guarding a very dangerous portal, and the kids broke in and ended up getting sucked into a very terrifying and unknown darkness before the hermit could stop them. Perhaps the Door represents Pandora's Box? Now I'm having flashbacks to the Swan Station (which was *awesome* to see in its early construction tonight). But, alas, I must disagree with you. For the Door wouldn't be present when the Statue still stood its ground. But it gets me thinking: Just *when* did the Others make that fake camp? And the fake door? Was it originally some fake DHARMA props meant to trick the Others? The tents looked like the same kind that the torturer 2 weeks back lived in (forgot his name already). But who constructed the fake door? Curious. And yeah, I'd love to see Jim Morrison show up on the Island. Tell Ben that if he builds it, they will come.
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Everyone has gotten their time in the spotlight, their reasons for being on the Island. Miles was supposed to get his due last season. Or maybe not, maybe Faraday was, but the point is, it was always *intended*, just as every other major character got his/her flashback episode. So lots of us wanted it because that's how LOST rolls. And he had daddy issues- an extremely common theme on this series (can you name someone that does NOT have daddy issues?). Everyone has them- Kate, Jack, Sayid, Charlie, Ben, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Claire, Boone, Shannon, etc etc. So the episode fulfilled two LOST staples: a character-centric flashback, and one that reveals daddy issues. True, we already know he can talk to the dead, but the episode confirmed he was from the Island, making the Freighter Four more connected to the Island than we originally thought. They weren't just random characters thrown together- there was a method to the madness. I don't know about you, but I miss these intimate, outside-the-main-plot, character driven episodes. Reminded me a bit of Hurley's DHARMA van episode, one that had some terrific writing, some great character moments, and some introspective scenes that let the characters live and breathe on their own. And while it didn't seem to serve any purpose with the over-arching plot, we were proven wrong in the finale.
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They are tasty, roasting on the end of my lightsaber.
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But Widmore had already been banned. Very interesting observation and reminder, tbransonlives. Perhaps, off-Island, there are a lot of spies on both sides: some working for Ben, others for Widmore. Or maybe Widmore has access to vital DHARMA secrets through Ellie and her place at the LampPost station in that church? That's gotta be the explanation.
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Bold isn't that difficult...sheesh. And boo on the writers for manipulating geek canon just to tug at non-geek heartstrings.
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last week they showed when widmore was kicked out of the others it was from the barracks. Which meant Widmore was the leader during the Purge and had access to all the DHarma information after taking over so why wouldnt he know about all the stations.
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I think it would be cool that when the incident occurs some people or maybe one person(Jacob?)experience what Desmond did when he turned the key. That would explain how certain characters seem to know what's going to happen .
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But I've never seen anyone do it here before. And yes I'm attempting to do that now. And you can't disparage the writers for manipulating geek canon when they *are* geeks themselves. It'd be a disappointment if they didn't acknowledge Star Wars and the present DHARMA year at all.
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For some reason, the fact that Widmore was living in New Otherton before he was banished, and thus had access to sensitive DHARMA material, didn't occur to me. Must be this Fat Tire Ale.
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There was a strange 'r' tag embedded next to the bold tag, I find no references to that tag online that assist me, either. Also, I was hoping the 'package' was the film itself...do we know what month it is in 1977?
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But how from just looking at that folder was Keamy able to deduce that's where Ben was? Someone asked him how Widmore knows where Ben is and I think his response was "mr widmore is a smart man."
I'm just throwing stuff out there seeing maybe if I missed something
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LOL!
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I think that Widmore knew what the Orchid was capable of and that it would be a last ditch attempt by Ben to get away and to hide the Island. So he gave Keamy specs on The Orchid, but probably didn't tell him what the Orchid technically did. What Keamy *did* learn was the Orchid's blueprints, so he knew how to access the secret door to get down below to the real research station. That's how Keamy knew where to find Ben.
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More to specific..Why was it built there?..I feature it was not by chance. As the Orchid was built, as ChangiCandleWax put it, over the 'unlimited power source' (which was there before the DI) and as the Swan was built over the, as Kelvin put it, unique 'geomagnetic properties' (which was there before the DI)..The theory proffered is that the DI was intent on building 'The Door' station over what was there in/on/below the Island BEFORE the DI. What lies in the shadow of the statute was there before the DI..'The Door' is just the name of the station the DI intended to build there. Over the entrance..
So, when I type, most hazily, that 'The Door' (read ENTRANCE) lies in the shadow..I refer to what was there BEFORE Dharma.
Sidebar..noting Bram's eyes and passionate enthusiasm in delivery of recruitment.. I offer again that this little bunch of stormtroopers (Illana and Bram and at least 2 more) are the kind of folk that "believe hard. Kill. And never ask why." I am sticking with the previous ident that they 'campaign' with/for Ms. Hawking. -
I was starting to miss that fucker!
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Ok that sounds reasonable. I look into things way too much with this show.
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Take this package..(Star Wars print)..return with this package..(Apple II)..brilliant call.
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How were the others getting off the island before they took over for the Dharma Initiative. Because Penny is obvi about 40 yrs old which would place her birth around 1965-67. So how was WIdmore getting off the island than to impregnate a woman off the island.
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some little tit bits here, but it's setting up the end of season. obviously all hell is about to break loose, so im waiting for it to happen. does hurley actually see dead people or are these hallucinations? who are the shadow of the staue guys? another group to be introduced for the final season? nice to see naomi back and daniel. yeah the ep was ok.. kinda wierd no one in dharma is worried about ben. kinda odd that roger is drinking and getting on with work.
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Richard Alpert told Locke in the 50s that getting off the Island was very valued and secretive information.
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I know douchey arrogant pretentious style! My technique is perfect!
Behold! The knowing of the 'Hurley attempts to steal script' attack.
http://tiny.cc/macgenius
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yeah that seems like interesting information. its really the biggest piece of info we dont have yet. HOW where these people already on the island? We find that out and theres so much we can piece together.
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Does that sound right, guys? So 1977, the Swan Station gets an ID number: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42- which negates the entire LOST ARG idea that the numbers were part of the Valenzetti equation. They were random. OR, they were intentionally made the Swan's ID # in an attempt to harness its power. Thoughts? But let's presume the numbers were random. For some reason, those numbers are then broadcast from the radio tower. Maybe this occurs AFTER the Incident? As if the numbers actually *caused* the Incident? Do we know when Hurley's crazy friend Leonard heard the numbers as a Navy man? So the numbers are broadcast, Leonard hears them, then in 1988 the French crew hears them, follows them, and crashes on the Island. Does that sound right?
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When Jack was in the classroom cleaning the chalkboard,, everything that was on the chalkboard was about the egyptian's past and their teaching??????? what's u wonder
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yeh it never really seemed like DARLTON ever considered the ARG as really part of Canon. So like some people speculated i think they are gonna retcon it that Hurley is the one that recorded the Numbers which probably creates some type of paradox but i'm not smart enough for time travel paradox theories.
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Man, Miles had some awesome one-liners tonight. "You owe me a fish taco". Call me crazy, but Ken Leung really reminds me of a young Michael Keaton. (that's the best compliment I can give)
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Miles: "Uhm...we're not supposed to be in 3-3-4. Isn't that Hostile territory?"
Horace: "Welcome to the Circle of Trust"
Something I'd never even considered, but I can't seem to shake it now...we've been wracking our brains, trying to figure out about this 'truce' between the Hostiles/Others and the DI. What if...they're essentially the same thing? What if Charles Widmore, a man we've obviously seen have a good head for business, struck up a deal with Alvar Hanso, or whoever was calling the shots at the Hanso Foundation, and has allowed the DI to come in here? That's how the DI can come to and from the island at ease. That's where Widmore got all his money. And that's how the DI and Others can co-exist as they do. I think it was made pretty clear in this episode that most of the DI folk there...don't a fucking CLUE what is going on at the island. They're just there to work, or possibly lured in with the promise of scientific discovery. The deaths, the 'Truce', the posturing between Horace and Alpert, all of this is just one more fake beard the Others are wearing, or using to their own ends. What if the whole reason for the DI to come in was to build the stations to control the various natural phenomena on the island? And when they've got what they want, they mass slaughter all the people who aren't 'Enlightened' enough to join the cause. This could explain how Ben and li'l Ethan could be hanging with the Others even before the Purge.
What if Horace's 'Circle of Trust' is a lot bigger than we can imagine?
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I just wish we had found on what Miles' Ghostbuster vacuum thing was when we first saw him in his first flashback. Ah well, good to see some character and I always like to see Dr. Marvin Candle (interesting that even he thought that the Hydra Island experiments were stupid). Also, I'm guessing Hurley's ESB ending had Luke and Vader talk it out and hug. No ROTJ.
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Apr 16, 2009 1:07:15 AM CDT
I dont know if im the only one who picked this up
by stuckinthepresentpaused
but are we on the page that Felix the dead guy that Naomi used to test Miles was the guy we see caught by Widmore in Season 4 on the tape that Ben shows Locke. if this is true than doesnt it answer the question of who put the place at the bottom of the ocean since if Felix is that guy working for Ben than it would be WIdmore who planted the plane and took out the bodies.
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before my brain burst.
I did love this episode. I slightly agree this was a filler in that I expected a liiiittle more on the 'answers' side of things, but I did love getting more Miles backstory. And I second whoever said they had a tear in their eye during Mile's last little scene with his dad. With all the daddy issues that have been rolling around, with Miles coming to terms with his it also furthers the idea that the problems that have been persisting for the Losties are starting to resolve themselves.
Miles = King of the One-Liners. "The ditch had a gun?" HI-larious. And all-around great acting chops from everybody this season. The tops.
And BRAM! So there goes my theory that he and Ilana are just sick...
I think this 'third faction' must be working for Ben; in the way the Widmore could have possibly set up everyone in the 815 crash, Ben could have been completely implicit in everyone on 316. Who else would have the knowledge of who Sayid's killed? The person who sicked the Iraqi on them in the first place. And does anyone remember the cordial 'Good Morning' Ilana and Ben shared at the beginning of the last episode?
Great episode overall. The Empire stuff bumped it over from Good to Great for me, but not quite to Awesome ('cause let's face it, Ewoks are cuddly but they do kina' suck). The Awesome's coming in two weeks (ANGRY!), and I'm ready for it. -
And it explains how Widmore was exploiting the Island for personal gain. Makes MUCH more sense than all the theories I came up with, which centered around Widmore somehow turning the Island into an evangelical circus for healing cripples. Widmore secretly was in league with the DI to make millions off-Island. Brilliant.
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The sentimental fool that I am. And Tallboy, I and others have assumed that Miles' vaccuum made the room colder and thus easier to speak with the ghost (like in the 6th Sense).
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My take on this (because it did bug me for a while):
We found out this episode Miles needs a dead body to talk to, and from his explanation of his 'Power' to Hurley, it sounds less supernatural-medium stuff, and more that his brain can scan the last firing electrical impulses or communications the dead brain is giving off. There was obviously no body in that dead kid's room in 'Confirmed Dead'. Maybe Miles' device can record the electrical impulses from the dead brain (he mentions to the dead kid's mom/grandmom? he had spoken to his buddy at the morgue), and he needed to transport it to his room so he could show Miles exactly where his stash was. A little far-fetched, maybe, but it makes sense in my mind. -
A man after my own heart. :) But why couldn't you hug it out with your kid? Hurley's wiser than his years, I tells ya'.
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Widmore would not know the layout of the Orchid since he got kicked off the island soon after the purge.
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and you'll see Tony "Soul-Patch" Almeida, who engineered his return from the grave via use of the Island. "The US doesn't have shit on me," Tony says, and disappears into the shadows.
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in the grandmas house also
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Magnetism from the Swan station?
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I love Ewoks also
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why dont you think widmore wouldnt know? he was leader during the purge. when they took over he had acces to all the dharma stuff except it seems the swan though they could watch it. and i would place Widmore in charge for a year+ which is plenty of time
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When you come from a family of parents that divorced when you were 5 or 6 years old, you can't help but be drawn to and feel emotional during stories of a son resolving his daddy issues. This was a good one.
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My brain-reader theory is admittedly a little far-fetched; I'm always just wracking my brain for an explanation. Comes from my days as a Marvel Comics fan always trying to win a No-Prize...
And I don't mean to hate on the Ewoks, I give them much respect; hell, they basically took down the Empire. I'm just an ESB guy at heart. -
Brilliant.
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Brilliant.
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THats what I was figuring
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I notice Doc Jensen does it all the time with his LOST columns. Is this something Stan Lee used to do in his? I admit, as a kid, I just glossed over the editorials, but now I feel I missed out.
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Its a toss up for me between Empire & Jedi.
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Lostpedia Timeline:
1992
"The Man Behind the Curtain" "Cabin Fever" December 19
The Purge takes place at 4:00pm during which Benjamin Linus kills his father.
1993
"Dead Is Dead" Unknown date, shortly after the Purge
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Widmore leaves the island
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what about the comparisons for Alex's age. i would put dead is dead in 1994 personally not 1993 based on how Alex looks.
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Just rewatched that scene in the van...there's So. Much. There. And Bram calls Miles 'my friend'! Maybe Cesar's in on the Shadow Conspiracy too?
D.Vader, it was indeed Stan the Man. Back in the day, they had people write in to complain about continuity errors, especially after the creation of a 'shared universe' with all the Marvel characters. In response, Stan offered readers what he called a 'No-Prize' if they could come up with a plausible explanation for any errors in story or continuity. What is a No-Prize? Exactly what it says...no prize. It was an empty envelope from Marvel. Sure, it was a writer's way to cover up loose writing or mistakes, but it also empowered the readers to essentially add to the stories they loved so much. As a writer AND an extreme continuity nut, I always loved it.
PA, Jedi's good stuff but I'm Empire all the way. I'm always drawn to the darker stories for some reason. -
this 3rd group, with Ilana, Bram etc all look a bit Middle Eastern/Egyptian...so maybe they are all connected to the island's deep history...also tonight seemed to imply of an analogy between Darth Vader cutting off Luke's hand and Pierre Chang losing his entire arm...anyone else catch this?
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I actually enjoyed this more than last week. Is that weird?
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Haven't seen it yet
set up the vcr for the first time in like a year
tapes old as shit
hope I got it right and the tape worked
I gotta get a dvr
want one with a hd, burns to dvd (not blu), and can interface with my computer
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What did you think of "Some Like It Hoth"?
What were your favorate moments of "Some Like It Hoth"?
Who does Bram work for?
Why did Daniel Faraday leave the island?
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Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight, etc... why are we drawn to the darker aspects of entertainment? Because those dark descents into madness/criminality/what lurks in the hearts of men remind us of ourselves. They remind us of what we're capable of. The *best* stories show us what can happen in both instances: we can try to stop the bad things from happening, or we can try to profit from those bad things. Its up to us. That's why we're drawn to dark stories Because we can relate to all aspects of it. LOST has been a great example, showing all sides of a conflict, allowing us to decide which is the righteous and moral, which is the wrong.
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That's pretty funny. Its sad he watched his mom die then, but... its kinda funny seeing him as a Rufio type kid (but with more piercings in the 90s).
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That's pretty funny. Its sad he watched his mom die then, but... its kinda funny seeing him as a Rufio type kid (but with more piercings in the 90s).
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Empire probably is my favorate, but more because of Yoda and the lightsaber battle at the end not being two old guy battling in slow motion.
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Is anyone paying attention to this guy? It's kind of sadly hilarious.
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Might be decide to give up Ben and the Others in exchange for their location in Season 6? I think Im spot on! What about you guys?
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They've clearly established that there's a war coming between two factions connected to "The Others" as both Ben and Charles Widmore would lay some claim to being connected to Alpert and Jacob. So there's at least two factions, perhaps more. Ilana/Bram could belong to one not belonging to Widmore. Going back to last weeks episode there was something a bit off about the exchange between Ben, Ilana and Bram. Especially with the cutaway to the way Ben reacted. I wouldn't be surprised if they were connected to Ben's faction.
BTW there's obviously ways of leaving and coming back to the island... Mr. Friendly has done it. Even Richard Alpert has done it. The "rule" Ben and Widmore speak about is obviously more complex than "if you leave you can't come back". It must be something in the manner in which you leave. -
Ha, thought the same thing. Then I made a not intentionally racist remark that he looked like the guy from Linkin Park(worstbandever.)
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Are a new strain of the Dharma group.
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fain88, I think you might be onto something there!
I was just about to post a question about The Wid - which I think you may have answered all pre-emptive-like for me-
I was always under the impression The Wid's company WIDMORE CONSTRUCTION along with PAIK INDUSTRIES were the companies that were involved in BUILDING all those stations on the island, for one HANSO FOUNDATION...
but... it seems The Wid was busy leading the Others at the time, so how could his company be building the DI??
because he was doing BOTH - which is a GREAT explanation for why he went along with a TRUCE with Dharma, instead of just killing them all, like the US Army...
brilliant!
so.... it seems a certain theory about Iliana (and Bram) being OTHERS and working for Hawking, not The Wid, now holds a little more water? I guess we can safely say they're not just a bunch of lucky guys...
I wonder, d'you suppose what lies in the shadow of the statue could be... THE BLACK ROCK?
I originally thought it had to be the Temple - aka the Well - aka a rope sticking out of the dirt - but maybe, just maybe...
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he didn't even PRETEND he was gonna offer Miles 3.2 mil - tells me he's NOT working for Ben...
Ellie, I can believe -
Just sayin'
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These two should never be allowed to write Hurley again.
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And? Sylar's fucking insane. How would it surprise anyone that he'd do something that batshit crazy?
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So-so episode to me. Miles deserved better. And clip shows in the middle of "unbroken" seasons is still cheating.
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seriously, lets just leave that show out of the talkback. its not gonna go anywhere constructive.
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or a means of spreading the ashes around the room giving him remains of the body to pull memories from.
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Better throw out this ep then. FUUUUUUCK was it terrible, save for maybe three minutes. (Reviewed) http://tinyurl.com/c5k565
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The machine was a cop-out. They didn't want to confirm Miles could talk to the dead, so they had that as a 'cute' way of getting round it. Which was annoying, because anyone with a brain knew from 402 that he could commune with the dead.
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about that spoiler. I'll leave it at that.
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Will be a huge point in the show... they've given us everyone else and what they've been up to all we get about faraday is a scene at the beginning of the season in a dharma worksuit which could be at any point... now he's arrived as a scientist from ann arbor 3 years later while our losties have been in dharmaland. was he there all along and then left for a time? or was he ever with them in the first place? did he somehow get off-island? what the hell is going on?
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The only reason he had it was to make his conversation private in case the mother was outside listening. he was asking about and trying to find some dudes stash, If the mom had heard she would know what he said later was bullshit. It was simply the easiest way for him to block the one-sided convo from the room without bringing in a ghettoblaster and blasting jimi hendrix (or if you prefer, geronimo jackson).
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It will turn out that Faraday is responsible for the creation of the Swan Station while he was working with the DI in Ann Arbor, and also possibly the Lamp Post (I forget if Hawking said that was built before the rest of the stations, but she did say a "smart man" figured out how to find the Island with the pendulum).
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He doesn't talk to dead people. The whole point of the conversation was to convince the grandmother that he could. I feel like even since season 4, he's been able to "experience" aspects of their death, like when he walked over roussea's grave. and in season 5 when he found the pig. Unless he can talk to animals too.
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Strong acting from leung, good mythology especially with those shadow of the statue guys, and a nice reintroduction.
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The cop-out is that he doesn't even have to speak out loud to them. When he does in this episode, it's to other people who he wants to know the information. So if he doesn't need to speak aloud, then he doesn't need a machine to hide the fact that he's speaking aloud.
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was the plan all along. It dominates the show now where it didn't the first three seasons. And you people don't even realize you're spewing nonsense in every talkback now.
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He's spoken aloud more than once, he does it to get more information... like If some crackhead walked up to you on the street and was all "I've seen that you're going to die, man!!!" ... you might ask, "how?" (if you don't immediately think he's crazy) ... now if you believe him or not is up to you but theres probably some part of yourself that wants to know more. SO! a dead guy says "my filling shot through my head" and you may find yourself having to ask a couple follow-up questions.
In the situation with miles earlier in the show, even his follow-up questions would give away his intentions... leading to the couple scenes with the random dad in this ep, and miles giving back the money, he's uncomfortable with swindling people, especially when he can't actually contact the deceeased. -
He turns off the machine opens the door and says "you can go now" obviously, the machine, and the speaking, are all part of the actual con. same episode, he finds naomi's body, and doesn't talk to her, but finds out how she died
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If you are obsessing about a prop a 2nd tier character had for 12 seconds in one episode and are searching for answers, I guarantee you are going to be sorely disappointed with Lost by the time the series ends.You people make me laugh.
Oh...sorry...here I go: hahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahah. -
chrth likes the taste of his own semen.
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coz its fucking great. and yet its not a dark story, so ur fuckin theory is shit on an elephant's bottom.
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I'm sorry, that's a foul. This is not Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
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Mark that frame an eight, you're entering a world of pain. A world of pain.
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You happy, you crazy fuck?
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haha stargate is so coooooooooool! in the stargate talkback we are making fun of this stupid LOST show and burning any dignity it got to the ground
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Except it isn't a con, because he finds something he has no way of finding.
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And you know Smokey has emotional problems! He's fragile, man! He's very fragile!
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Don't mention the Big Lebowski in a Lost TB. That film is perfect. It just makes this terrible ep even worse.
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Lost is so Village People. Stargate is Nickleback
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You're not dealing with morons here. We know which Lebowski you are Lebowski. Don't fuck with us. If your wife owes money to Jackie Treehorn, that means you owe money to Jackie Treehorn. You see what happens? You see what happens Lebowski? Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski.
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Obviously not a golfer.
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Go give kurt russell a Bj and shut the fuck up already.
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Lost isn't Village People. It's the TV show equivilent of Paul McCartney's solo career.
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I'm trying to remember when that was mentioned... Ben was offering it to Miles last season when they met ? Or did Ben say to Locke to offer it to Miles ?
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Like I said earlier, the machine had the ashes of the body, or he had already "interfaced" with the body beforehand.
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haha LOST is gay mixed with a smelly fish odor.
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If in the future, grown up Aaron tries to get back to the island, on an aeroplane or whatever, might he flash out like the rest of the O6 did on the Ajira flight? The 06 left the island and when they returned they synchronised with the time flashes. Even thought the time flashes stopped. But there's nothing specific about 2007 to the time flashes, is there? Wouldn't grown up Aaron flash to 1974 too? Only 30 years would have passed for him instead of three, so he'd end up in, wait for it, 2007, instead of 1977. So could he be walking round the island? And was he raised by another, or not? I think they have to do something with that though I'm not sure precisely how it would work and whether it would apply to Sun's child as well. Actually, they've still not explained why Sun is still in 2007 not 1977. And it seems Christian Shepherd knows something about this. What era was he in when he saw Locke underground by the Frozen Donkey Wheel? If you're looking for rival factions or parallels to Richard and Jacob or whatever, Christian seems like a good option now that Widmore seems to be with the Others. And they still need to address who Hanso is. Did we ever get more about the DeGroots? And Paik must have something to do with the island too. There are lots of wildcards shuffled into the deck already, so why not use this Ilana group to explain some of that. If they were feeling very ambitious, they could take that dynamic where some of the people on the Ajira flight - Ben, Locke, Ilana - have concealed knowledge and motivations, and work something into the original Oceanic crash along those lines. It's already implied, because of the direct symmetry between Locke and Christian. Where did that stewardess Cindy go? Why did the monster take the pilot? Who else was on that flight? Which, remember, was bringing people to the island in 2004 that people from 1977 had already met, in the future! So there could be people with information manipulating things behind the scenes. We still don't know about the temple. Or the Black Rock. Presumably the people in 1977 will get back to the present. Will the time travel stop, except using Desmond's version of it? Will a faction be introduced that comes not from the past but the future? I think there's an implication that if some of the characters we know are jumping about in time, this may have gone on with other groups at different times. Somehow they have to exposit some of this island mythology that they're setting up so brilliantly now. There are lots of pieces in play and of course there'll be new ones that come with whatever the big premise is for season six. Not least of which is the whole Shepherd family. Widmore gets exiled because he had a family off the island. So did that happen to Christian too? Interesting that both Widmore and Christian now have grandchildren with a parent who has ties to the island also. Desmond and Jack even met each other before they went to the island. That's weird, although Jack is Aaron's uncle and Desmond is Charlie's father. Does Ji Yeon and Paik fit in with this? Is Walt ever going to be explained? One other thought is that now we've started to see characters played by more than one actor, surely they wouldn't spring a surprise that two characters we already know will turn out to be the same person. They've certainly mined the interconnectedness of the flashbacks to good effect like a lot of us begged them to when the series was meandering in the early years. Are they going to interlace the different time periods too? One really crazy thing they could now do is have a future version of a dead character. I don't mean this as an example, but because I kinda thought Ilana and Alex resembled each other a bit, I wondered, well if Locke can be resurrected, why not someone else. Also, remember how the French people went into Smokey's lair and came out with "the sickness"? Well, where have Locke and particularly Ben just been.... Which also makes me realise, the French tried to kill pregnant Danielle, presumably under the influence of Smokey, and now Widmore and Ben are talking about whether the island wanted Alex dead or not. They should be telling the story of characters like Christian by now. I like what they've done with the flashbacks ultimately, though god knows it took them long enough to get there, but it is getting irritating how much they're chopping up the narrative into chunks and switching them around and putting them side by side. It's nearly as bad as when they showed the hatch from three points of view at the start of year two. Having so much going on with different characters and multiple settings is great but they need to start focusing the chronology and building to the climax. And there's just too many people floating about doing nothing at times. It interrupts the flow of what are actually some very compelling ideas and devices. It's weird how episodes are actually standalone whilst giving the illusion of being a serial, but the overall effect is quite mosaic like. Curious to see what the damn thing is going to look like when we finally have all the pieces. This week wasn't one of the best.
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is a nonsequitur or deus ex machina. Maybe it's both. Sure as fuck came from out of nowhere and now revolves around everything they do. And 'Frozen Donkey Wheel' should be a Primus song, not a major plot device.
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You know how Sawyer's now spent three years wandering around the 1970s wearing LeFleur's identity? Well when Desmond was in the hatch, he was always with Kelvin Inman, wasn't he? "Radzinski" was dead before Desmond got there. So is the guy we've met in the 1970s, Radzinski, necessarily the guy who ends up in the hatch with Kelvin Inman and draws the map on the blast door which Locke eventually finds? I seem to remember Inman describing Radzinski as a brilliant man, or a brilliant mind, or similar. No offence to the character they've introduced this season, but I don't get the vibe that he's a guy they're going to spend a lot of time showing exploring the subterranean world of the island and making clever deductions. Isn't that somebody more likely to be someone we've already know? "Radzinski" obviously survives the "incident", but maybe he survives it the same way LeFleur's still alive... That way, the writers can explain the blast door map by actually showing it being created, and use those explorations to reveal a lot about the island. Because that way the map becomes significant again, to the viewer, in a way it never really was before, because Locke never really used it for much in the end, it was just a really cool and mysterious visual, and the hatch got blown up. And "simultaneously" to the map being drawn in the past, you could now have Locke in the future, learning more about the island too, the type of stuff he first knew a little bit about because of the map. In terms of who Radzinski would be, I wondered about what exactly they're going to do with Sayid, and he does have kind of an affinity with the hatch - there are signs he's even going to be involved in its construction - and there was the strangeness of him meeting Joe Inman in Iraq - was it ever settled if "Joe" and "Kelvin" were the same person, or twins, or whatever? Remember how worried Radzinski was about Sayid seeing the plans for the Swan? But the brilliant mind thing makes me think of Daniel, who we know is alert to the time travel aspects of the island and will be looking for the subterranean Frozen Donkey Wheel, and will also presumably be doing something about that bomb. I'm a bit confused about the timing of this, because it's a long way from the 1970s to the purge, and we presume Kelvin doesn't meet Radzinski until after the Gulf War, but after the incident, maybe Daniel, Radzinski and Sayid are going to be left alone in the Swan Station, and by the time of the purge and Kelvin Inman turning up, only one of them is still going to be left there, and will have already drawn the map, but still wanders around the island a bit, perhaps looking for a way to time travel and get home. And maybe "Radzinski" even fakes his death for Kelvin's benefit, and does flash out of there. Heck, maybe Daniel is wearing Radzinski's uniform, starts work on the map in the 1970s, time flashes to Kelvin Inman's era, does a bit of work on his map, and flashes out of there back to the 1970s to sort out the Donkey Wheel. Is that possible? And, of course, you can feed Desmond into this new hatch story line, because although he has no memory of this, he is now able to time travel his consciousness into his own body and change things.... And the time he spent on the island, he spent in the hatch. So is the purpose of the map to leave information, from Daniel, to his "constant", Desmond? That map does seem a bit like Daniel's notebook if you ask me.
The more I think about it, I really think this is a strong idea that would work... I'd love to see them use something along these lines. But of course, it's just scenario to put the characters in. A framework. The pay off is whatever revelations it allows about the island. And I have no idea how the Daniel / Charlotte story would feed into it. Could Daniel and Desmond somehow change the past so that young Charlotte never leaves the island? I'm not sure whether they'd get Clancy Brown back though, and if this were a season six story line, a lot of people seem to think Daniel will be dead by then. Although it could be flashbacks, and there's a chance Desmond is able to re do things to some extent. Daniel could well speak to Desmond again during his time in the hatch, like we saw earlier this season. Aside from this, all the others are using their real names. Is there some point to Sawyer being "LeFleur"? For instance, somebody making a "list" later on, maybe when the plane crashes, will know about Jack and Kate and Hurley and Jin but won't have the name "Sawyer" or "James Ford"? And yet Sawyer now knows Richard. Hmmm. An alternative crazy thing they could do with the blast door map is have Locke end up in the past again and draw it himself :) Or, "Radzinski" could end up being this Jacob character they're supposed to be introducing soon. He'd probably know a bit about the island, and Ben referred to him as a brilliant man. Actually, does anyone recall how Kelvin described Radzinski and how Ben described Jacob way back in season two? Of course I'm probably barking up the wrong tree and they'll hardly revisit any of this stuff.... But that map seems to tie in with the smoke monster and the temple. I do wonder if we're going to get some parallel stories about the Swan Station in the past and whatever Locke, Ben, Sun and maybe Richard and Christian, or even Ilana, are doing in the future. And the way to weave it all together is with the time travel characters, Desmond and Daniel. But of course this is just the backdrop to the Ben/Widmore struggle and whatever Jack, Kate and Sawyer are doing. -
Or at least the true place behind the legend or theory. I'm sure of it. I reckon it all become more overt next season, not just giant statues, lost time travel technology and temples. I hope they mention Plato having been there :)
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You're putting in more effort than the writers are.
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The fact Bram is talking to Miles in 2004 makes me wonder who else they spoke to. Could it be characters we know are going to have sympathies with Ilana and Bram? For instance, maybe Daniel listened to what they had to say and played both sides. Or they could have approached Desmond after Ben tried to shoot Penny. Sun could be another possibility.
I think it's possible this new group is going to the Island to respond to something originally set in motion by the Losties in 1977. (Dharma would actually fit this, wouldn't it.) If so, it would be ironic if we see the new characters do things leading up to 2004 or 2007 that actually facilitate characters like Kate ending up on the island, when they would rather have prevented that. Although that could be a bit confusing! Another thought is that if any of the 1977 crowd stayed in 1977 - coming back to the present by "the long route" so to speak - then the thirty years older than themselves Jack or whoever could be a major player behind the scenes with a big agenda by now. For instance, and they won't go there, but Christian could have really died in 2004, but the Christian we see walking around now could actually be Old Jack. (Old Jack could even have killed his father to be like Locke and Ben, LOL) They won't do that, but they could do it with another character. And this new group could be working for them. Old Jack might be Jacob, haha. Or Old Sayid might be the Big Bad. I don't know :)
Locke and Ben in 2007 rather than 1977 is presumably down to the Frozen Donkey Wheel, or them being island leaders, or whatever. Is there any indication why Sun is there with them? Pregnancy? Christian has spoken to her now, like he spoke to Claire. Could they spring something really screwy, like Sun being on the island before and leaving, and when she came on 815 she was actually returning? Maybe Sun pushed the Frozen Donkey Wheel in the past, lived off island for a bit, came back. She just holds her cards really close to her chest - they could have kinda pulled that off with the Korean language barrier thing and she's had an agenda the whole time. OK, no. It's ridiculous. But my point is double. Why is Sun with Locke and Ben not Jack and Kate, and given the direction of recent seasons, don't the writers wish they'd given themselves the wiggle room to have one of the 815 survivors to have been returning to the island in season one and concealing their agenda all along. Because that would have made an awesome twist. I suppose they'd be part of Christian's group. There just isn't anybody remotely plausible to do it with now, because they're either dead, left the island and came back again, or have been given too many redundant flashback episodes early in the series which would make the premise silly and deceptive given what we've seen of the characters. But it feels like a missed opportunity given what they've done with Ajira 316.
Speaking of which, is it possible passengers from 815 flashed into the past too? So many parallels between the flights - right down to Locke and Christian. Could they go there too? You just know that Frozen Donkey Wheel has been pushed prior to Locke and Ben pushing it. What happened then? And what happens as a result of the next time it gets pushed? Because of the time travel, characters affected by that could already be set in play. Remember that Harper character who appeared and disappeared in the jungle? Not necessarily her, but again, now we've seen time flashes, it feels like a missed opportunity not to have had events influenced in previous seasons by mysterious interventions from characters who unbeknownst to us are caught up in time flashes of their own. Is there anything like that unexplained? Obviously the whispers, but that's probably something else. Did we ever find out who hit Locke on the back of the head in season one? Where exactly did Niki and Paulo spring from, LOL. And, consequently, the group in 1977 don't have to be the only group the island has displaced, and who are maintaining a cover story. Maybe some of the people in Richard's group will shed light on this. -
LOST is for pussy
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I'm sure you had alot of good points but I'm not about to read all that babble. sorries ><.
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if u are gonna be an ass and write all that about lost's fartfest then at least use paragraphs. write this to make paragraphs
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Fucking b-budget Canadian sets. So cheap the episodes were probably filmed next door to Pterodactyl, Marabunta, Snakehead Terror and other astoundingly shitty Sci-Fi Original Movies.
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I have no idea what the hell you're talking about but my post before was directed to diox... if that helps.
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its this without the spaces
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Fain, I think you hit the nail right on the head. I think you're right that Widmore was working with and possibly instituted the truce with Dharma to meet his own gains and it got him exiled. That's a damn good theory, Fain!! StuckInPresent, as far as the Others leaving the Island before gaining access to the sub through the purge; have you forgotten the boat that they gave Michael? Michael managed to leave the Island on that old ratty boat by following the same heading that Lapidus used. Pa, Widmore could have gotten the plans for the Orchid in many different ways. First of all, he was still boss for a little while when the Others had full access to the Orchid. Secondly, Ben showed Sayid (?) that Widmore was killing Others off-island, surely he could get information off of them somehow, he doesn't seem to be above torture. Well, we all knew that Miles was Chang's son and that Ewoks suck so no big surprises there. (I was seven when ROTJ came out and I will admit I loved the fuckin Ewoks at the time though.) Herc, it seems every week someone is forced to ask you this, no one has stepped up to the plate yet so I'll do it. Do you even fucking watch this show? Ben said that he wouldn't be able to come back if he MOVED the Island, not if he left. No one has ever said you can't leave and come back. Petras, I like your theory that Smokey IS the shadow of the statue. Okay, now the main points, Faraday, bout time he came back. I'm trying to remember if he was ever shown on the Island after that first sub left the night Sawyer talked Juliet into staying on the Island. Faraday must have left on the first sub. The DI is extremely circular and exclusive as Miles said last night. Consider Juliet has proven herself to be a pretty good doctor yet still works in the motor pool. Not to mention they had Ben for twenty odd years and never noticed that he was smarter than shit and kept him a work man. So I find it hard to believe that the DI would take Daniel and send him to Ann Arbor to be one of their scientists when he came to the DI in such an unorthodox way. Me thinks he left the Island and infiltrated the Ann Arbor DI and none of the DI on the Island recognize him beacuase he was only there for a few short hours three years before. Anyway, he's got secrets to spill. Bram - Okay, were Bram and Ilana working with Caesar or not? They sure seemed to be at first, those three took the reins immediately and established themselves as leaders of the new Losties. If they were indeed working with Caesar, there is no way in hell that they are Others. Ben wouldn't kill an Other in the manner he killed Caesar, especially for Locke. If anything, Ben would have allowed caesar to kill Locke as Ben was planning on trying to kill Locke again anyway. The fact that Bram and Ilana immediately alligned themselves with Caesar makes me think that they are Hanso Foundation and perhaps there to re-establish Dharma. We know for a fact that Bram isn't working for Widmore, and it doesn't seem as if he's with Ben. Then again, they didn't go all out asking cryptic questions and knocking people out until Caesar was out of the way. Hmmmmm....The key to figuring out who they are with the information we have right now is their relationship with Caesar. Okay, one more point and sorry for the long ass post everybody but this episode while being called filler by many raised a lot of questions and added more mystery to the shows mythology. My last question. Did Widmore stage the plane crash in the ocean? No one has brought this up yet. How does the dead guy brigning the photos of the mass grave and the invoivce for the plane prove that Widmore was responsoible? What if the dead guy was an Other, showing Widmore that either the plane crashed in the ocean or that the Others had staged it to shut Widmore out? I don't know if either theory holds water but it seems we're still in the dark as to who actually staged the plane crash. Someone up above stated that the dead body was the Other that Ben had a video of Widmore beating down. If that's the case, then doesn't that show that it was Ben's camp that staged the crash? Thoughts?
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Did you loathe this sorry-ass ep like I did?
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btw diox go fuck yourself.
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so it's pretty obvious since we got the Ajira 316 backstory for everybody on the plane except for Hurley...and since Hurley will not be featured on any of the remaining episodes this season...this makes it obvious that he will be the major character death in the season finale...the season finale will explain his Ajira 316 backstory and he will go splat!
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champvinyl, zedd told me he slept with ur wife and gave her something itchy. thats what i heard. i think he made a pussy out of u
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I hear your mom calling go upstairs and get to bed, you have grade 10 science in the morning.
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Kinda hard to do, considering last night I was having an Emo cry of monstrous proportions over how lame Hurley is.
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No, the Ewoks don't suck. Hurley sucks. Least the Ewoks aren't dumb enough to try rewriting a script AFTER BEING TOLD THAT THEY COULDN'T CHANGE THE PAST BECAUSE IT ALREADY FUCKING HAPPENED. GOOOOOOOOOOOD DAMN.
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Hurley wrote the Empire Script in the first place. so there.
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Based on a story Richard told him about the Black Rock. That's how he became rich.
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So you're saying that an incompetent jack-ass who couldn't even spell bodies back in S1 wrote a draft of ESB?
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That I'd believe. Charles is an old romantic at heart.
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The island's a snow globe wrapped inside a shower curtain at Hurley's mental asylum. But they didn't rip anything off cause Hurley wrote it first.
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with script doctors. as long as he remembers the whole i am your father scene, the rest writes itself.
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Because they're shit at everything.
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You trust Hurley to remember that?
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Series finale - a chair spins round. Reveal a monkey in a suit with a pipe. Monkey: Hello. My name is Joop. The Island was created in 1923 by Aliens...
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he thinks the Stargate TB should stay empty. so i'll be sure. Hurly is the reason i dont watch LOST, that fat fuck makes me mad
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dioxholster, you no longer amuse me.
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that phrase came out of no where
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I was really looking forward to a joop flashback...
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chrth, you no longer excite me.
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I say they should just go bat-shit insane. Monkeys... raptors.
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You're trashing our TB.
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And I elevate any Talkback I grace with my presence. And don't you forget it.
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or vice versa?
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The guy doesn't even know how to spell bodies - he'd probably think it was a furry tractor.
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he loves me, he wants to kiss me, he wants to marry me, he wants to die for me.
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I believe,
yeah, I Believe...
I'm in love again.
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Jacob's cabin is travelling through time because some Chinaman from Korea peed on his fucking rug.
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This year: Time travel. Next year: Vampires!
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Not as bad as Jar Jar Binks, mind you, but they most certainly suck. And in your hearts, you know that ROBOT CHICKEN sketch of Boba Fett blowing away Ewoks and hacking them up with his "Purple Rain" lightsabers would indeed be all kinds of awesome.
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make your own special songggg...
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can't play the record, if you can't play the record...
If you aint' got nothin' to say.
you can't play music if you got nothin' to play.
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This was why Ben was so shocked when Alex was killed, and this is why Ben can't kill Widmore. These are the rules of the game. They hate each others guts, but they are working together against the as-yet-unknown group represented by Bram. Ben's extraction from the island by the freighties etc is an issue in this theory but could be explained ultimately as Widmore forcing Ben to work with him. Also, keep in mind that Illana captured Sayid as vengeance for a man that Ben ordered him to kill, but now, given her allegiances, it's clear that Sayid's targets may not necessarily have been associated with Widmore.
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I thought this was pretty clear when Hawking implied that Desmond was her agent, whether he wanted to be or not.
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there's room enough for two, up on the rooooof!
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The "Shadow of the Statue" assholes have to be a group that occupied the island long ago... perhaps in opposition to what we know as the Others, and perhaps they ahve been looking for a way to get back to the island for centuries!
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You know, that thought has crossed my mind more than once as well. There's just too much evidence against it, however. Now, if the show had explained that they were forced to work together against some unseen third party months ago, we could have been privy to watching them work together/against each other this whole time. Fuck Dharma! Give me a Ben Linus vs. Charles Widmore game of cat and mouse where they have to be alligned yet are all the time fighting against each other. The show could have gone in tat direction but it didn't. Instead, what we have seen is these two men battling in some cosmic game with rules that seemingly only they know. Now, when you think back to the moment that Ben killed Locke, there was genuine surprise on his face when he heard Eloise's name. Of course he knew her, but Emerson's incredible acting gave us the only hint that we need. She plays an enormous role in this war, a role that Ben knew existed, but had no idea she fulfilled. It would not jive with what has already happened for it to be A & B vs. c. I think it is A vs. B. vs. C. Ben trying to fuck over Widmore, Widmore trying to fuck over Eloise, Eloise trying to fuck over Ben, and all points in between. I once thought the Island was the Garden of Eden, the Others were God's Angels, and Widmore was Satan. I'm pretty positive the show is not going that route now, but I'm not sure the key players in this cosmic battle are completely human and/or mortal either.
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Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think any anger attributed to that particular storythread was just a little off the mark.
From where I was sitting, it was not a deconstruction of Star Wars or Cambellian mythology, it was not a jump-the-dharmshark moment for Hurley, it was not some retcon to intellectually castrate George Lucas by having the guy who can't spell "bodies" into having written one of the most famous films of all time... it was simply a sweet, character-based confection, leading to the more important element of the storyline; the nature of one character, Hurley, gifting some hard-earned wisdom, in his own inimitable way, from one end of the character-arc to someone else on the other end of their character-arc.
The fact that it came in this yummy, debate-provoking Star Wars packaging, is a testament to the writer's abilities, in this humble TBers opinion, that is is a scar across the soul of the show. -
Obviously present day Dharma.
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I'll get back to ya when they're done having their 'fun'. Great episode.
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I thought it was funny as well. When Hurley first said bounty hunter last night, I turned to my wife and said, "He's writing Empire Strikes Back!" My wife, of course, rolled her eyes. I agree that it was just a funny little piece of character definition and not deserving of all the debate. Cheif, looking forward to hearing your thoughts on last night's episode. I figured you'd be one to just ignore the morons not wait them out.
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Is that less than a day ago, Miles told him that they couldn't change the past. Yet Hurley wants to write a script for ESB, and improve it. Not even someone as dumb as Hurley can seriously be doing that.
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anyone notice the numbers were stamped in a different place than the original ones we saw? they were stamping them on the inside of the hatch, hurley saw them on the outside stamped onto the top of the tunnel/column.. whatsit.
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Why is it an issue for you? If you recall, miles was less than convincing in his argument.
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hurley is the "Back the the future" believer, Miles is the faraday causality believer. hurley is still on the "dissapearing photo" frame of thought, which makes me think he may do some really dumb shit in the last few ep's we have.
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Wasn't that impressed with her first appearance, but that chick was smoking tonight. Very nice. I think it would be a pretty good job to operate the casting couch for the Lost appearances ... because that guy gets some seriously nice talent rolling through.
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...not a cardinal character-aspiration. The remainder of Hurley's story will not contend with how he made ESB...
It was gently humorous aside to greater things. And I thought it was a fairly endearing one.
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Dammit. The more I think about this the more I'm convinced they are a reconstituted Dharma. Don't get me wrong. That's a badass prospect, but if that is true, and they aren't Others, the writers have managed to muddle this $3.2 million dollars thing even more instead of clarifying it.
Miles said he wanted double what Widmore offered and Bram told him to take a hike. So Miles tries to extort that amount from Ben assuming Ben hired Bram's peeps. Ok. But why did a look of recognition cross Ben's face when Miles mentiuoned that precise amount?? Argh. -
Apr 16, 2009 10:09:11 AM CDT
Hurly script for Empire Strikes Back will influence George Lucas
by leafar the lost
By the Lost Time Travel Theory, Hurly's "Empire Strikes Back" script will influence George Lucas to make the 2nd and 3rd Star Wars movies the way we remembered them. If Hurly script gets to Lucas, and he writes that "Ewoks suck..." then that is where Lucas first got the idea for Ewoks. So, Hurly's hatred of Ewoks actually created them. Like Sayid trying to kill Ben as a child actually made Ben the evil son of of bitch that he is today. Jack was totally right in not helping young Ben. The less you fuck around with time travel, the better. It would not surprise me if Miles interaction with his father actually caused his death. I love time travel stories if they are done correctly, and extensive charts are used to prevent paradoxes.
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Is why you can't have babies on the island anymore.
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Apr 16, 2009 10:12:52 AM CDT
Hurley is basing his assumptions about time travel...
by nasty in the pasty
...on Back To The Future, so is it REALLY that much of a stretch to assume that Hurley still thinks he was re-write Empire? Hell, even I'D try that.
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I've got nothing but time...(travel). I never feed trolls. They are always way too starved for attention. Take the attention away...they go away.
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Ann Arbor? Maybe Faraday was "jumping" around with Hayden Christensen. Anyway, nice University Of Michigan shout out.
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Up until last night i thought I had that figured out. Check this out: Miles told Ben that he would keep his mouth shut for 3.2 million dollars. Yes, Ben did have a look of recognition on his face, but he also asked why that amount. Isn't the bearing to reach the Island 3.20, or somewhere in that vicinity? I always thought that the 3.2 number was just Miles' way of telling Ben that he could get Widmore to the Isalnd if he wanted. Now, I'm not so sure. I'm almost positive that it is a either a reconfigured Dharma or Eloise's crew. The new group being Others makes no sense. It's illogical in many ways, first of all, they don't recognize Ben or each other, the Others are very familial and Ben seems to be in contact with all of his people off Island. They wouldn't be Other recruits, they just dont seem to fit the bill. Ilana captured Sayid for killing someone that Ben hired him to kill. Although Ben told Sayid that he was killing Widmore's people, he could have had him killing Eloise's too. FUCK!!! I'm talking in circles here, aren't I? Someone else?
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I ignore them as well and always try to urge everyone ese too. It's too bad though, I always look forward to hearing your theories even when they directly conflict with mine.
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Seeing Hurley's numbers again reminded me of the "Lost Experience" and its revelation about just what the Dharma Initiative was up to. I assume the "asinine [sic] experiments" on the Hydra (as referenced by Chang) are related to finding the core value of the Equation. But that is just a sham, a cover. The DI and/or Hanso is really there to exploit the time/space abilities found beneath the Orchid. That is its sole and real purpose. And Chang is privy to that knowledge as he is seemingly in charge of the science, thusly eye-rolling about the other DI experiments. So though the Valenzetti Equation might be real, might actually be the reason eco-friendly millionaire Hanso funded the DaGroots, what they were actually up to in Ann Arbor had nothing to do with finding the "core value" of the equation and saving the world. In reality it was pure scientific exploitation of a truly earth shattering phenomenon found only on this island. But...using the numbers, playing with these numbers, not knowing their mystical implications, may have preceded the DI's downfall in ways these hard-minded scientists would never have known or acknowledged. Darlton had pretty much stated they threw us a bone with the Lost Experience, that that should take care of our "numbers" questions and it will really never be answered on the show. I hope that's not true, but if it is, I think this is a way for us to reconcile the number's existence in the mythology.
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That would have made more sense, especially considering his Ewok hatred.
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Good point about Ilana capturing Sayid for killing Avalino. Hadn't thought of that. Ben did ask why that specific amount, but only right before whatever dawned on him dawned on him. So I think that's moot. There is not enough info and too many possible lies to venture a solid theory a tthis point, but my guess now is that they are Dharma or some other independent group and not Others.
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I don't recall Darlton ever saying that they wouldn't flesh out the numbers or the VE further on the show, just that the show, and not the ARG's would be adequate in presenting the mythology of the show. The ARG's aren't even canon according to Darlton.
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Damon Lindelof: I would say in terms of all the… background that we did, in terms of the Valenzetti equation and explaining the formation of the Hanso Foundation and doing the other films…we’d consider that stuff canon to the show. Where there’d have to be wiggle room is the Rachel Blake story where she’s in the real world, in the outside world as we define it, the show Lost might be defined in an entirely different outside world so we can’t vouch for the overall fit ability and veracity of everything that Rachel was doing. But we can say that all the factoids that she was uncovering were vetted, in fact many of them were written by us personally so they are canon.
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Word is, Jacob is at Sawyers parents funeral.
Jacob also says something to Locke after he falls from that high building.
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Also, having just researched some of the old Lost Experience info, those who are saying these two might be "new Dharma"...I'd forgotten about Mittelwirk and the Hanso Foundations outside world work involving the island. Also, forgotten Paik Industries were involved as well...so that's a possibility.
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Thanks for proving my point.
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Yeah, I hadn't even thought of Paik. But then, wouldn't Sun be involved as she's the majority shareholder of Paik? As far as the Valenzetti Equation and the Rachel whatever her name is stuff, I watched it all once but i hate to lend it any credence. As far as I'm concerned (and I know I may be wrong here) if it isn't in the show or the missing pieces segments, I don't really care. The Rachel reporter stuff was so stupid and cheesy that I couldn't take it seriously. The Valenzetti equation was interesting but I would hope that the numbers are dealt with within the show itself. I think to have to go outside of the show for a definitive answer on such a huge plot point is a bit of a cheat on the part of the wirters and sells the show short. But hey, that's just my opinion and no one asked for it!
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The thing about Hurley trying to write ESB seemed just about character development, or testament to character if you will.
A friend I was watching with last night said she was wondering when someone would try to take advantage of knowing the future to make some bank, and most people in that position would think the same thing: "If I can write something I know will be successful before someone else does, I can cash in on it!" But that's not Hurley; he didn't want money, he didn't even want recognition. He just wanted to make Lucas' life a little easier by writing it out for him. And his inner fanboy shined through, in he was trying to make 'corrections' for what he thought would have been better. Just a strong symbol of the kind, good soul Hurley is. -
we hear the phrase 'Valenzetti Equation' at least once in the next episode?
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Off topic, but I'm just saying, Just look at the Co-Ax Count, LOST is at 474 in 24 hours. The next closest is the Red Dawn story from like 3 days ago, at 344 total posts, and thats just the political dorks arguing about whether China could invade America. It's pretty impressive how intensely LOST dominates the talkback scene every single week. We pretty much rule, no?
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Dead people cannot give birth. Everyone on the island after the Incident is dead.
My theory anyways.
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i like that theory, but i cannot remember if females on the island could not get pregnant or if they could just not carry full term
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The Red Dawn TB has been up for about 7 hours longer than the Lost TB, but, yes, we rule.
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No wonder a lot of people on these boards think you're an ass. I, of course, did not prove you right. It absolutely refuted your opinion that the info in the ARG's aren't canon. Now, you're desperate attempt to prove you were "right" is technically correct. He did say the ARG's themselves weren't canon. But that, of course, is not what I was talking about. And you knew it. He did indicate the "factoids" in the AIG's WERE canon. Which was what the post was about. ALSO to make you bask in your complete wrongness of your statement, here is another quote form Damon via Lostpedia: Damon Lindelof:
There are some questions that are very engaging and interesting, and then there are other questions that we have no interest whatsoever in answering. We call it the midi-chlorian debate, because at a certain point, explaining something mystical demystifies it. To try and have a character come and say, "Here is what the numbers mean," actually makes every usage of the numbers up to that point less interesting.
You can actually watch Star Wars now, and when Obi-Wan talks about the Force to Luke for the first time, it loses its luster because the Force has been explained as, sort of, little biological agents that are in your blood stream. So you go, "Oh, I liked Obi-Wan's version a lot better." Which in the case of our show is, "The numbers are bad luck, they keep popping up in Hurley's life, they appear on the island." ... But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six." -
she did say residing didn't she... very interesting. I didn't even blink when she said that.
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If they are dead, then what is the Island? We already know what the writers have said it isn't. I'm not arguing your theory, just curious as to what purpose the Island serves for the departed; atonement? What part do the Others play? Isn't Alex born after the Incident?
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after the incident, but she was pregnant before she got to the island, but born before the purge, right?
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Actually, douche, a lot of people like me on these boards, trolls excluded. My POINT wasn't that the ARG's aren't canon (though Darlton DID express this at probaby a later date than your Lostpedia quote), but that the Valenzetti stuff could still be included on the show as mythology in some respect, which none of your quotes DO refute.
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I agree with dancetothebeat. The Lost writers and showrunners know better than to make the non-show information important to the story. Anything that needs answering gets answered in the show itself. Your understanding may be deepened, you may get clues in advance, by watching web material and DVD extras, but the story of the show itself has to take place IN SHOW. And they know that. Hopefully TV will continue to acknowledge this and will never stoop to making you do research for story satisfaction. That would be cheap and an epic fail on the part of the show.
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You're right, she was conceived off Island, my bust. Richard is my midiclorian. I want a brief, solid, cursory explanation of the numbers. Jacob by now HAS TO HAVE an explanation. Richard, on the other hand, I wish would remain the mysterious plot point
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Totally, hot_ham; pregnant off the island, born on the island, like Claire and Aaron.
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...that last one didn't even make sense in relation to what we were talking about. But I think you know that. And dude, remember. Just because you SAY things doesn't automatically make it true...
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Hurley's writing the ESB script, testing the waters to see if "whatever happened, happened," and that maybe-just maybe- George Lucas got the idea for ESB from Hurley's script. There's nothing contradictory there.
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he's busy mastubating in his heroes talkback. he's also mad because that talkback gets like 90 posts max. and 90% of those state how horrible that show is now. it makes him and that other douche feel better to try and find holes in a superior show. thats it bottom line. they're dicks
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I guess I am up in the air on it. I'll revise what I previously stated, I want some of the Jacob aura uncovered, but at the same time leave some up to speculation. Much like Mulder's little sister - they gave us little tidbits but never a definitive answer. At least I think so... I was in college during those last couple seasons and was drinking pretty heavily then.
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Its up for preorder at Amazon's UK site (but not the US?). Can't wait!
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If so how did it not make snese?
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from a story conceived by George Lucas. I think this is a moot point, of course, because Empire Strikes back gets MADE with or WITHOUT Hugo's help.
Of course Hurley is attempting to write Empire...it's 1977...the next chapter in the story IS Empire...why would he jump to ROTJ...Ewoks hate or not.
You don't write Jaws 3-D before Jaws II is made!! Lol!
Necgray is spot on with regards to the writers/Darlton sticking to their "what you see on TV is canon" rule...the online and extra shit is merely bonus fodder...That's not to say that the fodder might not get USED in the show...but up until it hits the ABC broadcast satellite...it's NOT canon.
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You make complete sense with every word you utter. With every letter you type. Happy?
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I loved that look Sawyer and Juliet were giving each other last night. "Well !@#$&, I suppose it couldn't last forever." And Juliet's "Here we go" earlier in the episode was great as well. I am excited to see how the remaining episodes will play out as the Dharma cover slowly, err, rapidly comes unglued. And whoever mentioned it previously, I agree that Hurley and his Back to the Future time travel meddling is going to royally screw things up.
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We've seen so much of Ricahrd yet we know nothing about him. I'm fine with that. As a matter of fact, I like it that way. Jacob on the other hand has been laid out before us as the ultimate authority on everything; he's the Wizard of Oz. I personally think that Richard is truly the man behind the curtain, he's the hand that moves all of the pieces on the board. Consider the look on Richard's face whenever Charles W. or Ben say something is Jacob's will. Every single time Jacob is said to have ordered something, at least every single time I can recall, the camera ALWAYS goes to Richard and he seems to always have a look on his face like he's knows he's being fed a line of shit. I think if we go all the way through next season without hearing Jacob's full story we will all feel cheated to the point of never being able to loook back on the show fondly. Jacob has been put out there in order to perpetuate the mystery of the show, if he's not fleshed out the whole buildup will have been bullshit from the start. Richard, however, is constantly in our face, seemingly all knowing, completely fleshed out, yet he remains a major mystery and we all love guessing his importance. I think it would be fine if Jacob ends up being a weak Wizard of Oz type character, helpless to stop the war suffocating his Island; I wouldn't feel cheated at all. And i think if Richard remained as mysterious as he is now, it would add to the mythology of the show. It seems that none of this matters anyway as Richard is apparently getting an episode soon and Jacob has been cast. It's just my two cents.
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"...a lot of people like me on these boards"...? Come on. I'm actually embarrassed for you right now. Try to be cool, okay?
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It's Not Heaven or Hell, it's "another place". Where that is, I have no idea.
I can guarentee you that everyone on that island has been on the island in the past, even juliet.
They all died on the island during the incident. Everyone went on afterwards, thinking everything is cool. They leave the island, but get drawn back to the Island because they are not meant to leave since they are dead. Just like what Mrs. Hawking told Desmond.
Charles and Mrs. Hawking all left before the incident ever happened.
That's a fact.
Desmond is the key because he isn't the dead one. He wasn't on the island during the incident. He doesn't follow the rules of someone who is dead on the island.
Remember when Mrs. Hawking told Desmond about how things are supposed to happen. Right when a guy dies and how she couldn't save him?.
Well, they were meant to die, the island brought the Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley back. Because they were never supposed to leave. It's a way to LIVE when they are dead, instead of going to Heaven.
The Island is wanted so badly because it's like enternal life. You Die, but your not really dead, You get to live on the island as if you are alive. People who are scared of death, who invest greatly in that island.
Yeah that's what I think anyway.
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i just looked over and read the Stargate talkback and all i can say is...... THANK YOU FAIN!!! i implore everyone who cant stand that Stargate troll to go there and read the smackdown that fain and chrth give that dipshit. classic fellas!
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I like where you're going with that. I think it has a lot of holes but the idea is sound. One cool point that goes along with your theory is that no one who has had a child after the Incident is there in that time period during the Incident. Think about, Claire: not there. Rousseau: not there, Sun: not there
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I'm sorry you are unable to backup your staements and your attacks on me but there is no reason to make this personal.
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I thought about what you said, and after thinking about it for awhile agree with you. I like what you said about everytime someone says Jacob told me too, Richard gives the "yeah right" look. And thinking back to last week when Richard told Widmore that "it was jacob's will, to heal ben" widmore knew he was busted, and therefore couldn't call BS. I like it. Thanks for fleshing that out for me.
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The Hieroglyphics on the blackboard in the classroom Jack and Rodger were in.It seemed to me that Jack had written them and started to erase them after Rodger walked in.Also Rodger mentioned that he was supposed to clean that room not Jack.So maybe Jack is doing some Egyptian Hieroglyphics research while Sawyer's running things.Thought?
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Ha, you beat me to it! I was just going to mention the classroom. I guess my take on it was Jack looked at it and didn't understand why the class would be studying it, then erased it. Also did you notice that during the scene with Pierre and the baby, he was reading him a story about polar bears?
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Maybe Ben was reffering to the laws of travel when he said that Widmore 'broke the rules'. Maybe Ben somehow saw Alex in the future alive, and that's why he was so confident that she wouldn't die.. or something
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Also, is it possible that Ilana (and possibly Bram) are like Richard Alpert?
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Not sure what to think of them yet. It could be possible they are like Richard, but it would seem Richard is able to get to and from the Island unhindered, where as Bram and Ilana had to crash a plane to get there. I am starting to lean more (like others) to a 2nd Dharma Initiative. Bram also seemed to know bad stuff was going to go down with Widmore's team and tried getting Miles to hold off on his island trip for awhile. Wonder why?
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I agree hot_ham_water_fan, the Polar Bear book was a nice touch.Speaking of Chang... My guess is that Miles warns Chang of the upcoming purge and Chang sends his family away. Chang himself stays and tries to remedy the situation. Kinda like how Faraday told Charlotte to never return to the island (and it still backfired - What happens, happened).In the Orchid video Chang was worried when the duplicate rabbit appeared and didn't want them to *touch* - which I think someone had mentioned a while back sounds like JCVD's *Time Cop* time travel rules. If this is what Chang was thinking does this mean we'll never see Miles hold himself as a baby or change his own diaper as Hurley mentioned? Not that Miles would want to. :)
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"douche" wasn't personal? Oh, Hobo. You just make me L to the O to the L.
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Noticed that, too; seemed important, so I went through the episode again to get a better look. From what I can see, there were three sections of the board. The far right was already erased when we first saw it. The middle one seemed to be giving different Egyptian time periods, but was mostly talking about Egyptian writing and grammer, and how it had changed through the different ages (that's the middle section). The far left couldn't be completely seen close up, but there were hieroglyphs on it; underneath it reads: "Writing of the words of God", which I'm guessing is a translation of what 'hieroglyphics' means, or how the Egyptians viewed it. Overall, looked like a history or vocab lesson on Egyptian hieroglyphs. Hmmm...
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Cool. I was planning on pausing and going frame by frame on my DVR tonight to look for the same thing.From what you saw it looks less like Jack was writing (but maybe he was studying) and more like a Dharma Egyptian Hieroglyphics 101.
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You are so KEWL. Actually you started the personal shit by calling me an ass, so why don't you give me a fat kiss?
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If all of this eyptian stuff is a red herring, then they are really trying hard to push it down our throats for no reason. Even back in season 2 hieroglyphs showed up when they didn't push the button. So to answer your question? I would say no, or at least I hope so! Actually? I don't care, I'm just along for the ride.
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I'd stop now, Hobo. He's sorta owning your ass....
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And you are? I've never even seen you here before so why should I care what you think? This is probably Alienist logged in as another user to defend himself. Pretty sad.
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Go fuck yourself. I gave Lost 501-505, 508 and 512 rave reviews. It's not my fault the writers can't keep up an awesome track record every week.
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Just a quick note to BillBoe: the ability to record to VHS has been around since the Seventies, probably even the Sixties (when it was actually reel-to-reel, like audio tape). In fact in last night's episode, if you remember, all the security cameras were recording onto what looked like 3/4" tape (the incriminating video showing Sawyer and Kate driving past the pylons with little Ben). And that's supposed to be '77.
As for the Others, I subscribe to the "Prince Caspian" theory, which Lindeloff and Cuse have cited a few times without explaining why. If you remember (and I had forgotten until I saw the movie recently), the invading Telmarines were actually pirates who had shipwrecked on an island and entered Narnia through some sort of portal they'd found after being shipwrecked. I believe Alpert and the rest of the Others are actually the original "lost" -- they were the crew of the black ship that somehow wound up in the middle of the island and were maybe "unstuck in time" like the modern-day survivors who were left behind when the island was moved. It would also explain Widmore's obsession with anything pertaining to the ship (McClutcheon's Whiskey, bidding on the old maps and paintings at the auction, etc.). -
The thing is an issue for me because it makes Hurley look like a horse's ass. Granted that they usually write him poorly - but there are some slight times when they nail his character. Like 502.
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Kate didn't bang Roger. Phil finally got punched. Jack acted like a man for the second episode in a row...officialy back? Chang comes off as something other than a world-class dick. Miles and Hurley could surpass Sawyer/Hurley as the funniest odd couple. Oh, and Hurley trying to improve ESB and protect us from the Ewoks...perhaps the most heroic attempt at change we've seen so far. Dan's back as well. People can call it filler but I'm enjoying the season just fine.
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as how young you were when ESB came out. My vote is for Star Wars (fuck that "New Hope" shit), because I remember the excitement of not knowing what the fuck I was looking at when I saw the trailer. Back then we wore onions on our belts (which was the style at the time).
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Why do you think it makes Hurley look like a horse's ass? Yes, Miles told him the 'whatever happened, happened' basis of time travel, but Hurley took the rest of the episode arguing against that point. Why would he be stupid for trying to prove his point right and Miles' wrong? Sure, he can't spell (which you pointed out has become something of a running gag for him, and I'm sure all of us have been thankful for a spell-checker now and then), but that doesn't automatically make him an idiot, does it?
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Weren't Ben and Eloise working together to get everyone back on the island? It seems more likely that it's a straight Linus vs. Widmore thing.
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so I'm sure he did take a look at the board but he didn't write any of it. It does seem a little strange that they would be teaching the kids that stuff though. Most of the DI seems to come for tours of duty, not to stay forever. I wouldn't want them loading my childs mind with all that island crap; that's not education that is indoctrination.
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Indoctination, you say? Like, oh, I dunno...Room 23?
That's an excellent point, and I felt I missed the forest for the trees on that one. Why would the DI be teaching about Egypt, when we know that's somehow connected to the True Origins of the Island? Happy coincidence? Or more proof that the DI and Others are either essentially the same thing or working towards the same goal? -
ended with Hurley stumping him. Hurley has a different opinion on the ability to change the past and that is evident in his hilarious attempts to bring Miles and his father closer, and yes, to rearrange the Star Wars universe as we know it.
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Yeah he was cool last night for the first time in a while. I like the new layed back Jack.
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I just can't hide anything from the likes of you, can I?
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just in case all the "island education" doesn't take hold properly. Or for those who develop doubts. I'm not sure that Room originated with the DI though, I think the Others set that up after moving in. Same concept different group of people.
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are that they are both headed up by folks that know what the Island is capeable of, so their ultimate goal is to control or harness the Island. The DI is obviously headed up by a former island resident who wants to use the island for their own purposes and uses the DeGroot ideas to hide their true intent...to build an society on the Island to rival and defeat his old clan.
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ur nitpicking just for the sake of it. that was the same hurley as you've seen in prior episodes. now, run back to that other talkback while i go fuck myself silly.
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Time Travel has been in the show at least since Mid Season 3 with Demond Time Traveling to before coming to the island which in the timeline actually occured between seasons 2 & 3. Then he did it again mid Season 4. So Time Travel is not some thing that has just suddenly came out.
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To many trolls heres today. I thought that it was an awsome episode!
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and Uncle Rico took a step back. No one threatens Kate in front of Jack!
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When did the off-island segment of the DI become aware of the fact that their entire population on the island got wiped out? Why are the food drops continuing? I know the Others are acting like they are the Initiative, but did they go so far as to arrange fake food drops, with fake Dharma food? That seems a bit excessive. It seems that either the Ann Arbor office never learned about the purge until recently and just kept operating as normal. That's why they are sending a second group in the form of the 316 folks, because somehow they finally got clued in. Or was the DI making that drop specifically for the Losties and it was not an ongoing thing? It did drop near their camp.
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okay, after watching last night.I'D SAY that the ORIGINAL purpose of change and the CHARMA init. was to TRY to change the outcome of what the Valenzetti equation was theorizing-which was the end of the world.According to that equation, the world was doomed in the very near future,unless something could be done to alter the numbers.So, perhaps,after finding the island-and discovering it's time-traveling properties, figured they could go back and alter things for the desired result.
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My guess is the bullet wound Ben gave Des is bad enough, life threatening enough, Peny has to take Des back to the island to heal. Maybe even has to ask Daddy dearest and/or Eloise to help.
I heard a couple months ago "The Incident", which is the next new Lost in 2 weeks was like "The Constant" in tone. And we need our Des back - so I am thinking that it is a Des/Danny - centric eppy. Or I hope it is anyway. -
when Hurley was antoginizing Miles. "So, dr...your kid is names MILES, and whatdoyouknow...thats his name too.Miles...what are the odds of that?" way to go hurley
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SMOKIE snack? see how he ripped off montag's arm...and remember the farmer who snitched on kate..perhaps he crossed paths with smokie too once.
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I would've been a happy man. But since the point was to keep him quiet, a verbal smackdown was enough. It's been a bit too long since we saw intense Jack...god help us if he starts tearing up with emotion just like the old days.
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Great character story with a confirmation on the candle/Miles connection and extra mythology mixed in like the construction of two stations, the numbers coming back, Ann Arbor mentioned again, the Statue group reintroduced and Daniel is back!
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Apr 16, 2009 2:49:04 PM CDT
12 Things showing this wasn't filler, and stop using that effing
by billboefett
1. Who Miles dad is, leading up to a decision Chang will have to make to get his family off the island. What impacts that decision will payoff soon 2. That Miles was on the island before (this will payoff later) 3. That the Dharma initiative is being sneaky and breaking the truce and covering up some accident involving energy that they had to kill that guy-this will payoff soon 4. Mile's ability with the dead differs from people who interact with the "dead" such as Hurley, Locke, Jack, etc. 5. Once and for all, Widmore, not Ben, planted the dead bodies and the fake 815 plane 6. Kate and Sawyer have already sown the seeds of distrust and trouble with Dharma and the plants are beginning to sprout (payoff fairly immediate) 7. Sawyer abducting Phil will not help matters one bit 8. The Swan hatch numbers were an actual serial number chosen by unassuming people; not magically placed or deliberately reflecting some conspiracy 9. Brams, involved with Illiana, who pretended to be only interested in Sayid, knew Miles before the island, and is on a different team than Widmore or even possibly Ben (payoff soon) 10. Brams is passionate about the island and the magic and mysteries and isn't just another Merc like Keamy 11. There's something special to do with the dead body at the Orchid 12. Faraday is now considered a "new scientist" from Ann Arbor Michigan (Dharma home office most likely) and is important enough for Chang to welcome him and others to the island. Faraday apparently has left the island, gone to Dharma HQ, studied up, learned what he needed to, and returned to the island to do something important. Sorry, when you have ALL those as necessary, meaningful, and tied into lots of other plot subjects, how in the HELL is this a filler episode? The definition of filler is something unnecessary that doesn't help advance the overall plot forward. There's 12 plot threads that either reward earlier mysteries, develop new ones, or directly impact upcoming twists and turns in the story. Would you people stop using that fucking word please? It doesn't apply at all. Nuff said.
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I'll email too, but wanted to let you know I have all of season 5 now, so when you are ready, we can give a new video a shot. You are the brains of the partnership..obviously. But I am ready when you are.
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i liked how they showed the magnetism is already in effect by mentiong that guy in the body bag was killed because his filling got pulled through his head. so it exists in 1977, so maybe its a natural thing or at the very least not the result of any accident or whatnot.
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In 2004....Hurley is a rich mutherfucker.
1. He won the lottery with cursed numbers. (which, btw may not be random...Just cause a construction guy was rattling them off...he was READING them off a paper...a paper that someone way smarter than him gave him, me thinks).
2. Hurley is rich in 2004 because of his "story credit" for Empire Strikes Back.
If you follow Miles opinion of time travel...you believe the first. If you believe Hurley's time travel theory...you believe the second.
Either way...Hurley IS rich in 2004, whether he was able to get that script to George Lucas or not. The simple fact remains...
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The One where the rabbit had a copy of himself pop up during the video and everyone went crazy.
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Apr 16, 2009 2:59:12 PM CDT
and regarding Star Wars and filler, for the filler-lovers
by billboefett
The people that keep dropping the word "filler" for these Dharma episodes would be the same kind of people that would say the visit to Bespin Cloud City in ESB was "filler and halted the main plot down" when they forget that capturing Han Solo, Lando's betrayal and later redemption in ROTJ, Leia's revealed love for Solo, and Luke's confrontation with Vader, losing his hand (becoming more like his father), revealing Vader is his father, are ALL necessary plot points to the overall story and tie loose threads together from a New Hope and ROTJ. Just because people aren't savvy enough to look more closely at how things on LOST pretty much always pay off, doesn't mean all these Dharma eps are "filler". It's short sided and ignorant of the fact that LOST has rewarded you and proved itself consistently for the last 5 years. Don't cite me things about Eko or Nicki and Paulo, those are exceptions, not the NORM. If I cite you 30 examples of payoffs and you name me 4 things that didn't, 4 out of 30 is not a norm, do you understand? Remember Sawyer's letter? That didn't payoff until nearly 4 seasons later. Be patient people, and have faith in LOST.
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This may have been mentioned, but several have stated that Dan and Penny may be twins. While it's a possibility I'm more inclined to believe they are half-siblings. Widmore and Ellie have Dan on island/Widmore and some non-island chick have Penny off-island.
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I mentioned the rabbit a few posts back and how it might relate to Miles vs. baby Miles.
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Apr 16, 2009 3:05:04 PM CDT
Dhaemon, what specifically about the rabbit orchid video?
by billboefett
The rabbit time-traveled onto itself and Chang freaked and told them not to let the rabbits get near each other. What are your thoughts?
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I like your list of 12. I agree with you in 3 that DI is hiding the construction, but they didn't necessarily kill that guy (on purpose). Miles found that the guy felt his filling come lose and get pulled through his head (seems more like an accident than a straight kill). This is also fits in with 11 as why the body at the orchid is important. The DI may not have realized that the filling did the killing (sorry) and are examining him to find out why.
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It was in there a joke, a way for Hurley & Miles to connect and for the writers to break the fourth wall and slam the Ewoks. For one thing as far as I know Lucas had the much of the overall story structure in mind from the get go. He wouldn't buy a script he'd already conceived, he'd just be really freaked out and tell Hurley to go away. On a lighter note, can you imagine how different the improved version might get...and it all ends with hugs!
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Actually the next one which is the Faraday one with some Des mixed in is the Variable, then Follow the Leader, the The Incident
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It just time traveled within the same timeframe. I was starting to thnk of copies of everyone on the island. That's the last time I eat Yogurt!
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remember guys, the creators have said from the beginning that everything seen on-screen means something...nothing is random, everything is relavent...awesome episode, confirmation that chang is miles dad, clarification of the extent of miles power...more of the "what lies in the shadow of the statue" stuff....cant wait for "the incident", prob what brings all the losties back into 2007 or whatever year NOW is supposed to be.
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wow, i never figured the magnetism....thanks for that...lol...i had just assumed someone shot him under the neck and the bullet pushed his tooth up into his brain ...oh well...like your idea bettr
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Yeah.. metal filling via magnetism. So maybe the bullet hole was added to conceal this AFTER he died? I initially thought he got massively effed up by some energy accident and they put him out of his misery, shot through the mouth or something into his brain... but duh, yeah, the metal filling got yanked by magnetism and pulled through his grey matter. He wasn't near the Swan, was he?
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why not rewrite epi 1, you fat idiot
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If anyone needs me.
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yea i really thought that widmore put the fake plane with the fake bodies thing was resolved quite some time ago...surprised anyone would question that...
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Listen, when the show is in it's third act, when the trashcan man is on his way to Vegas, when Frodo and Sam are in Mordor and Mt. Doom is in their line of sight, LOST isn't in filler mode anymore. They have so many episodes left (about 20 plus or minus) to finish the one single story they've been telling since season 1. They've got a lot of things to finish up, and they've had to drop storylines to do it (like Libby, dammit). You get people on one side who complain that there isn't slower episodes developing characterization... listen, they've developed the characters enough over 4+ seasons. You know who Jack is, Sawyer, Kate, etc. You don't develop characterization in the third act. The third act is the wind-up conclusion. The payoff. The final confrontation. Since the show is 6 seasons long, seasons 5-6 are the third act. Things are going to move much faster. So sorry, no more time to slow stuff down and develop characterization. And then you have people on the other end who think things are going too slow and not moving fast enough. These are the people who most likely dropped LOST somewhere between season 3 and 4, heard at the watercooler at work "did you see Locke met Jacob?!" etc, and started to slowly tune back in. Fuck you, impatient people. Why would you want all the answers earlier? A show that you enjoy is good so you want it to end sooner? What the hell? If you're enjoying a good woman you want it to be over in 5 minutes instead of 30? Huh??? I talked to some guy who is upset we already don't know what smokie is, what the whispers are, who Jacob is, Adam and Eve, the black rock, etc. He thinks these things have been forgotten. So I told him that they are central to the CORE mystery of the show and CANNOT be revealed until almost the very end of the series. Just because you people are impatient doesn't mean LOST has some internal problem showcasing that it sucks. So the two groups on both sides, are both wrong. LOST is moving at the pace it needs to; its going fast enough to the conclusion, can't go any faster, and it won't slow down to develop characterization. Again, we've learned enough about these people, their motivations etc. As for Ben, Locke, Alpert, Widmore, etc. those characterizations are still coming because they tie into the overall mystery of the island, again. So those characterizations are spread out in the entire series.
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No, it wasn't, because in season 4 the captain of the Freighter told Desmond and Sayid that it was Ben who planted the fake plane and dead bodies and they should be weary of Ben. We didn't know who to believe. Both Widmore and Ben benefit from the fake plane. Ben in season 4-5 told Jack and Sayid (maybe Hurley? I forget) that he was protecting the Oceanic 6 from Widmore. Widmore told Locke that he was protecting them from Ben. Ben killed Abbadon. Ben killed Locke (but said he had a good reason, probably lying). Widmore seems ruthless. Are both bad? But my point is... we didn't have confirmation on the fake plane and bodies until last night. We have STRONG theories, but no confirmation
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Because Hurley has seen no evidence that they can change the past. Everything points to 'whatever happened, happened.' Hurley may have stumped Miles with 'why doesn't Ben remember Sayid', but even without the 'memory wipe' concept there's no evidence that Ben DOESN'T remember Sayid. The Others were expert infiltrators, as Ethan-Goodwin-Juliet and Ben proved. So they'd hardly play their trump card, even if they knew any of the 815 survivors.
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Go back to the start of S5. Note how fast the first five episodes moved. Then note how slow everything has moved since then. It is not moving at a consistent pace.
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on Patchy's Chess computer? That had to have let Ann Arbor know there was a problem. Could this be Illiana and Brams?
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Hurley is already rich in 2004. We know because he came from 2004. The Numbers are what sent him to Australia, and thus onto the plane. If his money comes from an ESB script, then he has no reason to be in Australia... not to mention how headache enducing it is that Hurley sells a script in 1977, starts up a bank account in 1977 and... my head. YOU JAMMY GIT. It makes NO SENSE.
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Apr 16, 2009 4:06:51 PM CDT
I dont get everyone saying The past cant change the future..
by jbouganim1
Didnt we see that it did change the future with the picture of Hurley, Jack and Kate? Obviously, the past changed that picture
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a show that moves at a consisten pace is boring and feels repititous. You need fast, slow, middle, and you need to mix that up. Like a good song, a good sports game, good bedroom activities, good exercise routines, etc. Season 5 is moving out of its middle 2nd act to its third. The middle act is always where things slow down. Hold on to your hate Mr. Zeddemore, things are going to go alot faster. And then LOST will be over, and you'll wonder how it went so fast :(
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I'm thinking they were always in that photo. Just like Locke always gave Richard the compass. The FDW had to be turned so that the Island's linear path could exist.
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Again, you assume I hate. I only hate shit eps. The opening of S5 was brilliant - the slower paced 508 and 512 were brilliant. Rest was naff and dull. But 503, 505, 508 and 512? Outstanding eps.
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Your blog rules
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I look at the same episode and see that Jack, Kate, and Hurley were always in the Dharma Iniative and Ben is shocked he doesn't remember them. He hadn't seen that picture before. I don't see any evidence he HAD seen the picture and it changed to now include the 815ers.
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sick of the "filler" comments...the only filler is whats needed to shut all u "filler" cryers up, right in your mouth.
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I never assumed you hate. Where did you get that from? Ben? He's not to be trusted!
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i thought bens surprise at the 815'ers being in the picture was genuine...im sure hes looked at those pictures at some point before....but honestly the fact that the people in the dharma photo were the ones taken by michael to the others at the end of Season 2 is interesting...tho i dont remember if sawyer was in the group photo with jack,kate,and hurley
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Sorry - reflex. People often can't understand the 'neutral' stance on a show. I flip between 'love' and 'dislike' Lost depending on the week.
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Apr 16, 2009 4:20:24 PM CDT
I always like how Herc changes the subject line for these
by billboefett
AFTER he sees the show, as if to imply he saw it before we did, or whatever. The fact that I know he's seen my repeated requests week after week to explain the always-late LOST talkbacks and the absence of the inviso-text basically tells us what happened with his screeners. And I guess his "everybody Pierre Chang tonight!" is a take on the "everybody Wang Chung tonight" song? Um.... heh.
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Apr 16, 2009 4:21:52 PM CDT
The picture was always there and they were always in it.
by longjohnny99
It was always hanging in on the wall in the rec room where Jack, Kate, maybe Sayid have been tied up at various points. At the point when the Others purge and move into New Otherton, why would anyone except maybe Ben give a shit about the DI class of '77? They left all the DI crap up as part of their ruse. Now, after Ben escaped from the Losties, sure maybe he noticed, but that still wouldn't have clued him in about Sayid. Maybe the Initiative kept files about the incident and the surrounding events and that's how he found out what happened to him in the past.
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For some reason, I think we should keep an eye out for copper or brass materials in future weeks. Since these are not magnetic, I anticipate that a character will either use one wisely, or that we'll find out that we're encountering a "different" type of magnetism. Also... the ending to last night's episode was probably the best from this season. Seeing Daniel stand-up to be welcomed by Miles was truly a high-point thus far. Finally... while the Miles has long-been suspected to be Baby Chang here at AICN, kudos still go to everyone who called that some weeks back.
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I don't think someone added a bullet hole, the filling just ripped through his forehead, or at least that's what I got from it.
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Jack, Kate and Hurley were in the photo. Ben should remember Sawyer, Jin, Miles and Juliet were in Dharma.
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Ben lies. He's a liar. Lies. Constantly lies. Is incapable of telling the truth.
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well those files if there prob just said ben was shot by a "hostile" if anything.
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Because he had already been in Dharma for 3 years starting in 1974. That photo was taken in 1977 when Jack, Kate, and Hurley joined.
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Or are you all "Constantly" hitting refresh on your browser in this talkback? :)
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you are a pussy, actually this talkback is full of pussies that have to beg their wives everyday for sex. and they only like LOST coz it gives the audience an opportunity to participate in solving the island's mystery's and put the pieces together----like little kids, your minds are still developing, they still havent acquired the brainpower needed to understand the complexity of Stargate.
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true, if his memory was intact after the wipe..if not...all that ben had was the picture, and if all 4 were in that photo, it adds more relevance to why those 4 were taken at the end of season 2...besides just the "ben needed a surgeon" thing.
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... good point. Some of this may also hinge on the fact that Sawyer was in the surveillance video with Kate (assuming he doesn't somehow dispose of that tape in the coming weeks). That wouldn't be too hard to do, as it looks as if he's already about to put Phil in the "Jacob position." Still; it makes you wonder how the future Others come to recognize him as Sawyer, and not LaFleur...
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This is all speculation, so we know that someone major dies in the finale (once again I say this is a possible spoiler), and several people have speculated that it is going to be Hurley. Some reasoning behind that being we haven't heard his O6 story about how he got to the plane and that will be part of the story of the Incident episode, which I'm guessing he somehow causes. Anyways, so if Hurley dies... maybe that makes sense for the end of S2 how Ben let Hurley go back to the camp, because Ben knew that Hurley would die in the future and not play any major role in events further in the future. But Ben knew Jack, Kate, and Sawyer would... nevermind, because now I've confused myself because Jin wasn't on the list and neither was Sayid. I probably should have just deleted this post, but perhaps someone else can take it further than my lost-addled brain could. Sigh.
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yea that makes sense....the photo was only "new arrivals" ...still 3 outta 4 aint bad, kinda coincidental...maybe on purpose.
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the series last season. I'm supposed to believe that everything hinged on the concept of time travel from the very beginning? It's very flawed. It's a catch-all solution. They can use time travel to fix any conundrums or problems now. They didn't actually have to work to solve any of their mysteries. 'We can just fix it with time travel!'
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You're right, I haven't had a lobotomy.
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They cut a line in 109 where Rousseau said she was studying time. Trust me, it's always been planned. Domination took a while. As it does.
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...I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say "cheap Canadian sets". You mean like Battlestar Galactica? You mean like Watchmen? You mean like the last two X-Men movies? These were all shot in the same city and undoubtedly used all the same set people. Just sayin...
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Hey - bravo on those posts in the Stargate TB. I did a spit-take at the FDR one, nicely done.
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Apr 16, 2009 5:12:26 PM CDT
Sick Fixx, re: Time travel being in the show's DNA from the begi
by billboefett
Sorry everyone, but I'm going to play the Adam and Eve card. I know people are sick of it, but here goes: Sick Fixx, time travel as one of the major secrets was known, and planned, from the very least, the 4th episode of season 1, titled "Walkabout" when Jack and Kate found the skeletons of Adam and Eve in the cave. Those skeletons are going to turn out to be major, known characters from the future. Exec producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse did this on purpose this early in the show to prove that they didn't make it up as they went along. I'm not going to link it, I've done that like 100 times already. Sorry you missed it. If you want to see it, its an interview in Entertainment Weekly and its searchable from lostpedia under "adam and eve". Look, time travel was a MAJOR secret. But to get there, you had a LOT of ground to cover FIRST. Get to know the 815ers, drop hints about the whispers, the numbers, Russeau, Walt's ability to see the future and "be in places he shouldn't be" [season1], get to know the tailies and introduce the hatch, Desmond (time travel man!) and introduce the Others [season 2], provide the tension of the island mysteries with who the Others are, what they want, Jacob, Charlie and fate/destiny [season 3], introduce the concept of the flash-forward, Widmore, the Constant, more on Ben, the island, Jacob, the Freighter Folk [season 4], and then move the island in time (its always been moving in time, btw) at the end of 4 and develop that in season 5. During season 5, show how time travel was in consideration always, and have time traveling impact people and the plot, and reveal earlier secrets. Season 6, payoff the time travel aspect with reveals on the whispers, Jacob, the black rock, the island, Desmond's "unique ability", Faraday, Dr. Marvin Candle/Edgar Haliwax/Wickmund, etc. Yes, all this build up to the time travel reveal in season 5. You could NOT get to it any earlier. And, yes, they dropped little hints. We'll see more of them. The show's narrative has always been chopped up and mixed around; that doesn't mean its a badly written show. It seems awkward and unsettling to those who aren't used to it or have chosen not to accept it, but again, its not a reflection of bad writing. If you'd have preferred a linear storyline that began with the island and the statue, then it shows Locke in 1954, then it shows Dharma landing on the island, Charlotte there, Jack there, kate there, then it shows Jack becoming a doctor on the mainland, then it shows Hurley winning the lottery, then it shows the 815 crash... this would be a very different show, and it would have revealed tons of secrets right at the beginning. I for one love the way the story is told and I enjoy how there's always something more under the table. But DON'T accuse the show of using time travel as a crutch to cover up plot holes. They've had it in mind since season 1, they proved it, and it will continue to payoff and be evident. Don't be lazy.
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LOST is shot in Hawaii, and is the only show on network television right now that doesn't have a default soundstage. 99% of it is all on location.
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Because Walt said he saw Locke in his suit getting attacked by the Ajira people?
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Apr 16, 2009 5:25:44 PM CDT
my idea: a linear and historical re-edit of LOST: feel free to s
by billboefett
Ok... so, Darlton, or anyone working with ABC.. how about this: When LOST is all said and done, and the entire series is out on bluray.. how about a special "linear re-edit" cut of the entire series that shows the island history and everything including flashbacks, flashforwards.. in their historical chronological order... meaning.. season 1 starts off with the island in it's earliest days with the full statue, then later on in this season you have Alpert and the Others in 1954, season 2 has events like Locke in his childhood, Kate growing up with her stepdad, Charlie and his brother, The Dharma Initiative landing on the island, the 815ers on the island, the Purge, the Incident, Russeau. Season 3-4.. Jack studying to become a doctor on the mailand, Hurley winning the lottery, Desmond meeting Penny, Sayid in the gulf war, Juliet on the island, Desmond in the hatch, the 815 crash, etc. Season 5, the events from 2004-2007 with no flashbacks or flashforwards, season 6... whatever the hell is left. Wouldn't that be cool as hell?? No flashbacks or flashforwards, everything linear. If ABC doesn't do it, any fans with awesome editing abilities and TONS of patience and time to kill want to attempt this??
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Apr 16, 2009 5:29:50 PM CDT
But um Luke didnt get his hand cut off until after he found out
by mrjonz72
Sorry if this was mention before, to many posts on here,
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It could work - but the time-travellers wouldn't make sense. They'd be introduced in S1, but we wouldn't have context till S4
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billy dee Williams was in the expose episode with take a shit guy and nicky. and obviously he was in Empire strikes back. Nice linkage lost folks!
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How the hell did MacFaux bold part of his post?!?!
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Apr 16, 2009 5:34:10 PM CDT
Mr. Zeddemore in response to my re-ordered historical edit of LO
by billboefett
I think it would work in almost exactly the same way as LOST is working now in mysteries presented, answers or clarification coming in later episodes or seasons. The basic premise in season 1 or 2 would be "oh.. ok, here's Jack and Kate and Sawyer and they've time traveled to 1970s... ok.. interesting. Wonder how they did that?". And then in like, season 3, you see Ben turn the frozen donkey wheel. I think that would be cool as hell. Well, not citing the best example, but we just had that LIFE ON MARS show which at least tried to portray this guy as being sent back to the 70s. The final explanation for how/why was kinda dumb (he really wasn't). I don't see re-ordering the LOST timeline into historical order as a problem. I think it would be really cool.
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To do a new paragraph, or for the old-timers, a "carriage return", insert a letter P surrounded by a left and right arrow. Probably just as easy to do bold. Both are standard web-page HTML comands that most forums like this one understand. I just don't know what the command is.
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Possibly. Eh, it'd be fun at least.
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He was refering to Stargate
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oh my, that SGU tb is hilarious. you said you were gonna and you did. LOL!
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Canada is the awesome-O
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Its good to see you and don't you mean awesome-eh?
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... would be to explain things by saying they happened "magically." Time travel, on the other hand, at least requires any set of writers to operate within the parameters some form of logical framework.
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If this works - Bold. Then all you need is your text asn close with .
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Fair enough, point to you sir; and actually, if Hurley does end up being the cause of the Incident, maybe it's because of his misunerstanding of the rules of time travel. One might even argue that his 'proof' is the Back to the Future Trilogy...but I think that wins your point for you anyway. :)
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Haha, comparing Lost to Stargate gave me a laugh, thank you. I'm not a Lost fanboy, but I do recognize that it's a very well written, well acted show. I'm afraid Stargate isn't... and screaming "STARGATE ROCKSS!!1!!" on every talkback isn't going to make it so.
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Desmond teams with Widmore, forces Old Lady Farraday to tell them where to intercept the island, the commandeer a hot balloon and it's pilot---Henry Gale. Probably not, but I bet Widmore uses Desmond to get to the island because now they have something big in common.
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I agree that one of the best things about Lost is the fact that it's an interactive experience that the audience can participate in.
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Sorry.
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like Widmore wants back on the damn island!
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perhaps I was wrong in my "its simple HTML code for bold" thing? Hm? how the hell do we do this??!
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For the record, it's a bug that sometimes pops up now and again. At least, it is nowadays...
My memory is a little fuzzy on the whole thing, but anyone remember when they they first introduced the linebreaks along with the site renovation a couple of years back? Well, if my memory isn't so fuzzy that it's lying to me, I seem to remember that there was a little extra, somewhat clunky page that happened when you clicked "post to talkback" but weren't logged in. It would give you, somewhere at the bottom, the code for the linebreaks, along with the guff for the tinyurl.
If I'm not mistaken, that's how we (or at least how I) first learnt to use linebreaks. I remember that much because I felt a little proud of myself for finding and applying it.
The thing is, I seem to remember there being code for bold, and maybe even italics and lists, too.
But my paranioa is creeping in, and I have begun to doubt myself. Probably the begining of the end before I pass onwards into the east, or something.
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You are right it used to be, but no more.
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Lost is just a tv show people nothing more. stargate is more than that, its about our future, about our destiny.
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Apr 16, 2009 8:32:18 PM CDT
Miles has given us an explanation for the polar bears.
by leafar the lost
I do not believe that the guy or guys who write Lost had it all planned out from the beginning. If you know in advance where a story is headed, then it stops being interesting. I think the idea has evolved over time, and time travel was the only possible way to tie all of the characters together. I am hoping that Lost doesn't fall into the same trap as Ron Moore's "Battlestar Galactica". It all fell apart in the last hour. After four fucking seasons, he decides to give it a butt fuck ending. Now I am focused on Lost, and JJ Abrams had better deliver!
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hurley likes working in the kitchen
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But they also left room to experiment with things that didn't end up working like Nicki and Paolo. And they didn't want to write out Mr. Eko. The actor wanted to leave. They didn't know how many seasons the show would run at first. So now that they're moving towards the finish line it's easier for them to make mistakes like Charlotte's date of birth. But I have faith they have and had an overall plan from the very beginning.
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LOST is like Pussy. Two things he just doesn't "get"...
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I wholeheartedly agree with someone from a previous talkback who said that if they turn out to be Jack and Kate, it is a huge insult to viewers to prove they wasted their time. It really would trivialize the characters of Jack and Kate if they turn out to be 'Adam and Eve'. It would essentially be a 'Look what we did!'
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Well then our destiny sucks then
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Apr 16, 2009 9:16:34 PM CDT
Lost has been losely planned from the beginning
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Just like JK Rowling plnned Harry potter from the begining and jut like Potter Lost will end awsomely.
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then... will we have commercial breaks every few minutes??
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hmmmmm, it seems no one here gets Lost either. and shes acting dude, AICN talkbackers will never be able to please a woman. which is why u guys camp here all day talking about dump shows. if it werent for stargate i wouldve been a lonely person.
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i mean when i have to take a Stargate. i HATE Stargating with a share rated demo of .06 people watching dammit....
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in the Stargate fuuutuuureee.....
the Stargate fuuuuutuuuureeee.....
Conan- in the Stargate future the word vagina will be replaced with Richard Dean Anderson.....
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it ends after THE FLOOD. dont tell anyone, i got my info from J.J's office.
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If you like Fringe and Love Walter Bishop - go on to the Barfy, Fishy, Edshrinker site for all things Fringe. I have compiled a Walter Video for your laughing pleasure.
http://genesfringelab.blogspot.com/
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Is J.J. working closely with the show again?
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He is very involved with Fringe LOST...not too much. Though I expect him to be knee deep in LOST for it's final season. Maybe.
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I watched that and it was awsome!
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But it is kind of fun messing with them.
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Awesome job on the Walter montage. I could watch that dude for an hour every week.
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...when Miles told him you can't change the past is that Hurley didn't buy what Miles was saying. Simple.
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Are Rose and Bernard I'm betting. Although it would be cool if it were Jack and Kate since they're the ones who discovered them!
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I agree Cheif - I could watch an our of Walter just babbling the way he does. Although Peter and Olivia have a great chemistry as well.
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If you can sit through his monologe (strained at best)...and the dee-lish Rachel McAdams...Michel Emerson is a guest tonight on The Jimmy Fallon Show. Not Kimmel...Fallon. I know...brutal...but...maybe Ben will kill him?
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That was awesome.
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The island is the planet Zeist. There can be only one! (I mean, there should have BEEN only one).
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When Hurley and Miles pull into the construction site of the Hatch, there is 2007 model 580 M Construction King CASE backhoe sitting in frame. What year is this supposed to be? 1977? Come on guys youve got to do better than that.
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Apr 17, 2009 1:01:25 AM CDT
I think they're just pulling it out of their ass, episode by epi
by flip63hole
After season three it all just seems so arbitrary. I wish they stuck to the storyline they were pursuing the first three seasons. The time-travel thing took one big giant shit on the whole Lost flashback type of storytelling. Just glad season 4 is over. A fucking freighter and some people walking around the island. Captivating shit!
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Are you serious? You expect them to get vintage construction equipment shipped to Hawaii for a single scene? Some of you nipickers got to give some consideration for production realities, especially for a television program that's got to budget for 17 episodes a season. Making sure anal retentive construction equipment enthusiasts don't get annoyed isn't going to be a budget priority...
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Apr 17, 2009 1:18:35 AM CDT
So sorry, no more time to slow stuff down and develop characteri
by flip63hole
Then what was last night's Miles episode?
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It was hard not to respond to that trollnugget above. I'm trying to cut back on arguing with the intellectually inferior cold turkey. GODDAMMIT. Even this in itself is a response. I STOP NOW.
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I'm just a bit drunk and couldn't help myself. Seems like my mind's somewhere else...
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I wanted Miles to yell at him, "You stupid fuck, the world doesn't revolve around Star Wars".
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That was Miles 2nd flashback, thats what it was. A new character introduced a season ago that we barely know. We've already learned enough about Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, etc.
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I think you can. I think this is why Ben is surprised Locke resurrected, and was surprised to see Jack, Kate, and Hurley in the DI in 1977, and seemed surprised to hear the name "Christian Shepard". Ben has done this time loop before (or someone else has and has told Ben how it will go down), and he's starting to freak out because things aren't going according to plan on this iteration of the island time cycle. The reason is, because of a variable (Desmond?) who has impacted it and changed things. LOST as a show concludes with the time loop fixing itself once and for all and no one has to go through the loop again.
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Yeah, there are little things like this at time through the show. Like, here's a teaser for ya...the Black Rock set sail in 1845. The ship contains dynamite. Dynamite was not invented by Alfred Nobel until 1866, and patented in 1867. Simple answer? It's a TV show and not everything's going to be perfect.
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I been thinking this for a couple weeks now, but every time I gt to the bottom of the talkback I forget and never post it...
So I'm not sure if anyone's already mentioned this before but...
Could Jacob be the son of Aaron and Ji Yeon? There's a certain symmetry with those two - one conceived off-island, born on island, the other conceived on-island, born off-island, one male, one female, both about the same age...
Maybe that's all a bit convenient, but considering Time Travel is definitely part of the equation, maybe just maybe...
Also, about Bram and Iliana - I'm still stickin to my theory they work for Hawking - and are therefore basically Others. Yes sure they seemed to ignore Ben both on and off flight 316 - but Ben is one sly, cunning motherfucker and that doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't know them.
Also - more importantly - Hawking had to go through A LOT OF SERIOUS SHIT to figure out how to get back to the island and which plane to put the O-6 on - DO YOU SUPPOSE MAYBE SHE PUT SOME OTHER PEOPLE ON THAT PLANE TOO??
esp. considering she don't TRUST Ben...
the ONLY thing that's got me even considering the idea these guys are Dharma is somebody reminded me that Locke had entered "77" into that Apple ][ back in 2004 - but again, the DI have so far been painted kinda semi-incompetent and I'm just having a hard time buying they're somehow now JUST AS in the know about the island moving around and the significance of flight 316 as our Ellie...
Just doesn't sit right with me.
If these guys KNOW there is a war coming - and they are on the "winning side" - that tells me they are on MS HAWKING'S side - which is not necessarily Ben's side, but surely must be Richard's/Jacob's side? -
but that didn't beat the line about the ditch having a gun.
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Apr 17, 2009 3:05:46 AM CDT
Miles seeing his parents and himself got to me emotionally...
by prof. pop-cult
I can't explain it. But that scene really moved me emotionally. Maybe it's because Miles was effectively depicted by the writers as a hardened, jaded cynic. And then we finally saw where that bitterness all stemmed from. Yeah, many of us guessed a long while back that he may be Dr. Candle's/Wickman's/Chang's son, but, man, I wasn't expecting to be affected like that. Now I dread what could be coming... everybody is going to try to alter the future with respect to the Swan Station (which will probably lead to The Incident). The Incident is probably why Dr. Chang lost his arm, and ultimately his wife and Miles.
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Yeah I got emotional. But Im a stupid little girl, I get moved by things easily.
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Nothing wrong with that; it was emotionally moving. Just the quiver in his voice when his dad said he needed him was enough for me. Plus Ken Leung's a pretty damn good actor.
The fact that his character is moving forward, turning himself around in a positive direction, still falls in line with the theory that destiny is being shifted, the Valenzetti equation is being re-written ('3' 16, anyone?), and the human race still has a chance to save itself from mutually assured destruction. -
There definately seems to be some implied connection between Aaron and Ji Yeon; Sun's comments about hoping they get to play together and telling Ji Yeon she has a new playmate for her seemed a little too heavily emphasized to mean nothing. Some good points on the yin/yang aspects, sir.
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thats 80% of the reason I've slowed down posting here, most of the time its just like monkeys throwing shit, and I'm tired of being inadvertently bombarded.
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Reading of "little boy blue" ever.
i don't normally mind fallon there were quite a few hilarious parts tonight including slow jammin the news, and rachel mcadams dog story (which was *ridiculous*). I just wish he wasn't slowly going the a.d.d. internet route, he only had micheal emerson on for like 5mins, only to have some college football kid on. They don't give enough time for quality guests. -
WHERE THE F#%& IS MIKHAIL?
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It started out with a reference to time and how fleeting it is. That we are all own borrowed time, and each moment we have is at that moment gone.
So I thought about LOST. About time. About not borrowing, but owning time. What would that mean? What could you do? What would you do? How powerful would that make you, and what would that power do to you?
And if you knew you could...that it was actually possible to own time, what would you do to make that happen? Especially if you have the wealth/resources to make it happen?
There would be no more "there was a time when I would have..."whatever. There would be no more "I wish I had..." whatever. At least there would be none of that as long as there were no rules.
But what if there were rules? Rules like you can't change things that have already happened. Could you live by those rules? If your dearest love was in an accident and killed? If a child contracted a deadly disease? And you could change that but you'd have to break the rules. And if you broke the rules you wouldn't own time anymore. Could you do that?
And what if someone put you in a (spelling?) Kobiashi Maru...a no win situation where you had to break the rules no matter what you did. Time was stolen from you. Time was stolen from you by someone who could manipulate things to their advantage in that manner. Someone who could do that now owned the most precious commodity we have.
Time.
What would you do to see they did not own it forever? Whether you got it back or not, wouldn't you want them to lose it too?
I was just thinking about this and felt like sharing.
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that was retarded.
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You got two conflicting superpowers going on here -- time manipulation and immortality. Even if I could jump around through time at will I'd still be getting older.
If I could jump around in time but not change anything according to the "rules", but if I did I'd lose this power, would I go for it? Hell yeah. Most people never get a single second chance to fix something. If I got one that'd be incredible.
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For God's sakes. Gold fillings aren't magnetic, and neither are silver amalgam. Just google the words fillings MRI. Possibly if the guy's filling came from someplace like Russia and had iron in them, but in general, fillings just aren't magnetic. You can safely take an MRI scan with fillings in your teeth.
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no one wants to go to your stupid fan site.
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Tell us, oh mighty MacFaux.
Flummage, I spent almost 20 minutes yesterday clicking and re-logging in and all sorts of stuff to try to find that very same code info that used to appear every so often at the bottom of the screen. Couldn't find it. -
Time... the new fragrance for men by Rbrog.
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what WAS the point/ I FIGURED IT WAS to have them turn the "frozen DONKEY WHEEL",seeing as it was located in a very cold place.Otherwise, I guess it was just part of the D.I. experiements, which werent very important. Anyone know?
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See ya.
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must be worknig for mrs.hawking and ben.except..maybe ben has kind of veered off there overall effort/plot-and seped into an area where his NEW goal is to save alex? But, I think Bram is in cohoots with them, becuiase he was on flight 316-which landed on a landing strip! (which we know the others were building back in season 3)..so obviously the other already were privy to the fact that 316 would be ;landing in the future, and thusly built a landing strip for them.
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Apr 17, 2009 10:07:53 AM CDT
a really important question that not very many people are asking
by gordon bombay
How did the Others know that 316 would be landing there in the future, thus needing to make the landing strip?
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Mikhail's fish food. Sometimes dead really IS dead.
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So which side is Les Claypool on? Others, Losties or Freighties?
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What is this? Meet the Losters???
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The polar bears were theorized as being used to turn the FDW but there hasn't been any actual evidence yet, other thna the polar bear skeleton in the desert. Personally the concept is so retarded in so many ways that I hope it's not true.
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Top Ten. I'll see ya then.
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What are the many way you find so retarded in regards to polar bears turning the FDW? Why sacrifice a person who then won't be able to return (at least without tremendous difficulty)? Makes way more sense to have an animal do it. Who cares if you lose a polar bear or two?
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How exactly do the polar bears get down into an underground chamber for one? How would a polar bear turn a wheel that's halfway embedded into a stone facade without destroying it? Why would anyone in Dharma, who presumedly brought the polar bears to the island to study, turn the FDW? Do the polar bears predate Dharma then and if so how did they get there? It's an utterly ludicrous idea in my mind and requires way too much precious time to adequately explain.
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Wow!
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So would anyone like to come up with why Miles' powers have completely chnaged since his first flashback? Since when does he need a body (he didn't in Confirmed Dead and did just fine), and since when does it not occur as a conversation (like it did in Confirmed Dead)? Seems like a glaring inconsistency to me, but I'll hear explanations if anybody has any.
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at first, you have to acknowledge the fact that the skeleton exists. The only known way of appearing in the middle of the desert via the island is the wheel. Perhaps after the Purge, the Others started using the bears for moving the wheel; I'm sure there are times when it is prudent to move the island without sacrificing a person to the real world. We know there's a lot of underground tunnels involved on the island. Big enough for a bear? Perhaps. Plus, perhaps DI finds the FDW before they get waxed and is tired of sending random dudes into unknown situations. As everyone noted by naming it the FDW, it looks like something an animal could manipulate. Plus, everyone seems to forget this but animals have always played an important role on the show: Sawyer's boar, Kate's horse, Vincent, the bears. Sometimes the animals even seem to have dead people inside.
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it just makes it way easier for him to connect to the ghost. I think when we first saw Miles he had some crazy machine that helped him pin down the location of the spirit in the room with him. Once he knew where the dude was he seemed to communicate freely. Let's put it this way, the creators have said they don't want to over explain things. I'd assume that Miles has a machine that helps him out when there's not a body for him to make direct contact with; that's what the scene implied, I can roll with it.
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he returned the money to, I think he was lying. He felt the man didnt deserve to know. There was a little anger transference going on there, I'd say. He was just saying that because he was bitter about his own dad.
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Bold
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Really? You think the FDW looks like something a giant bear could turn without destroying it. It's WOOD, and as we've seen, easy to knock off its moorings. I suppose that it's possible that a polar bear was sent to Tunisia ACCIDENTALLY by the FDW. That would almost make sense given your tunnel theory. But peeps using polar bears to turn a wheel sounds ridiculously hokey to me. Then again we are talking about a frozen donkey wheel so what do I know.
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Apr 17, 2009 1:19:55 PM CDT
a really important question that not very many people are asking
by idrinkyourmilkshake
HOW did they know about the plane? Th same way Ben knows ALOT of things, and seems to know things before they happen...they have all lived this before, and possibly gone abck in time...to change SOME desired result.So, as they repeat things again( or perhaps ONE of them is repating "this" time again)-they would be aware of what's to come (a plane).
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we know the polar bears happened to be able to LIVE ON A FRIGGIN ISLAND (seeing as how they are POLAR bears, they usually need cold!)-so we know the D.I. was tooling with them so as to have polar bears that can live on an island.Now,why? And maybe lostboy is right, maybe the skeleton of the polar bear was a "test" to see where it goes.
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...in the past. When did he first show up as a young crazy Russian?
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I suppose, but a smaller, more controllable animal would probably make more sense.
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It was extremely hard for both Ben and Locke to push. Would be no problem for 1200 lb. polar bear.
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well...i always guessed why...was once they showed us the small cave the frozen donk.wheel was...looked cold...obviously suitable for a polar bear.
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to see the POLAR BEAR, Rollerskating, eating mangos
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Unless the polar bears were living in the frozen cave I think any animal would be able to move the FDW. It takes about 5 seconds.
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it was JOOP and family who was turning the FDW! lol sorry, i had to say it. so how is my lost hubby, HoboNodey today?
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OK. I hurt my back though and it's looking like a doctor may be necessary. Bocce season starts this coming Wednesday too so I need to get off the DL! How are you Lost wife?
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What's shakin'?
idrinkyourmilkshake, good idea on the frozen donkey wheel room being...well, frozen, thus neccessitating an arctic animal. But I think this whole 'them pushing the FDW' point is moot...I've always got the impression that the FDW SHOULDN'T be turned, unless the Island's gone time-record-skipping before... -
as Mr. Friendly was so quick to point out. The fact remains that the bear got ported off the island so it either pushed the wheel itself, or somebody was riding it like a donkey, right? It does seem kinda funny I'll admit but that's what we've been presented with so far: push the wheel, end up in the desert.
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The polar bear had a Hydra collar on so we know it was transported during Dharma days or after now that I think about it. Maybe the Incident will explain this. becasue otherwise I'm really not sure how it was transported off the island
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My thoughts were that the FDW wasn't turned fully by Ben. This resulted in the island time skipping. Which is why Locke had to correct it (complete the turn?). Once Locke had done so, the time skipping ceased.
When the FDW is turned correctly, all it does is move the island, AND transport whatever pushed the wheel off the island as well.
I think that the FDW probably has had to be pushed a few times in the island's history in order to keep it safe (hidden).
SO... when one of those few times DID arise, they had a giant polar bear move it. I am not in agreement with HoboCode that simply any animal could do so. As we've seen, it took an enormous amount of effort for both Locke and Ben each time we saw them do it. -
NoDiggity the filling was not pulled out by a magnet but pushed out by Magnetic levitation. See Wikipedia article: http://tinyurl.co m/c6gcs3 .
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He didn't need a machine, he was just using it as a prop to con the people out of there money. We see that at the end of this episode when he goes back to the guy and tells him he lied and gives him the money back.
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if Hurley's version of Empire ended with resolution between Luke and Daddy Vader. ROTJ has, yawn, another Death Star (Great creativity George, suprised we didn't have another one in the prequels) teddybears unbelievably defeating the might of the Empire plus a tagged on Leia is his sister plot device which again was repetition of the great twist in ESB. It would be no great loss to end the films with one sequel. While I'm on, if we do have to have the prequels then Anakin being a slave until teenage years with his mother being mistreated as a slave would have made for a much more powerful storyline/explain his anger issues. Oh and Lost rules. that will be all.
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I'm in agreement about your first thoughts, but my point is simply that it didn't have to be a polar bear because the room was cold. Any bear or horse could have done the trick even with the cold of the cave because they would not be down there for extended periods of time. And the polar bear HAD to have been transported during Dharma because it had a Dharma collar on.
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Who was the first person to stand on a Starfleet transporter...as some science officer pulled the slider bar and beamed him somewhere? Risking having every atom in their body digitized and reassembled elsewhere...I guarantee you it wasn't a human being...probably a monkey.
Well...the frozen donkey wheel is NOT a slider bar...it a big hunk of heavy wood....that's hard to turn.
My thinking is, they drugged a polar bear...put him down in the FDW room...(Maybe the 'simulated' his habitat, or it just IS naturally cold down there)...The D.I. strung up some fish biscuits above the wheel spokes...When the bear awoke from his slumber, he stood up on it's hind legs...with it's front paws resting on the spokes...and began lunging for the fish bisquit treats. The heavy animal was able to turn the wheel...there was a blinding flash of light...and the huge beast disappeared before everyone's eyes.
The polar bear in the desert was the very first 'guinea pig' of the FDW. Of course, the D.I. may or may have NOT known 'where' the bear ended up (Tunisia)...my guess is that they did not, hence the bear woke up in the desert....vomited...then roamed for a while...8,000 miles from it's closest indigenous habitat...and it died due to lack of food and water.
Perhaps it had a tracking device on it...it cerainly had a Dharma ID tag...so, it gave the D.I. a good idea of where the FDW 'exit point' is.
After the test...a human tried it.
Now...whether these first tests 'moved the island',,,or started it 'skipping across time' remains to be seen. Perhaps at first it was just a transporter...but the more they used it...the more unstable it became...so the FDW project was abandoned.
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Apr 17, 2009 3:03:40 PM CDT
Finale guess: Everybody is going to try to change history...
by prof. pop-cult
Sayid may be the one to try to destroy The Swan. I'm undecided if Jack will try to help or stop him from doing this, and what Daniel is going to do. But in trying to change history, they will cause The Incident. (Dr. Chang will lose an arm in this event.) The children will have to be taken off the island, and Chang will have Miles save his mother and younger self. The man who tells young Charlotte never to return to the island might not be Daniel (since he already believes he's the one who will tell her this, he might avoid doing so in order to change history). Maybe the crazed guy who tell her never to come back to the island will be Jack.
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Daniel will be at The Orchid (where the FDW is), hoping to alter the course of things. Sayid and others will destroy The Swan (AKA The Hatch). The Incident will cause the loss of Dr. Chang's arm, and the children to be removed from the island. It will be implied that Miles acquired his gift due to being exposed to The Incident when he was a baby.
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we saw from Sawyer's trials to get his fish biscuit that they had created problem solving situations in those cages for the bears to learn from...involving levers and paddles. Seems they were training up the bears so they could do that same 'pulley and lever' problem solving in another area, maybe with a big ole' wheel?
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Bingo.
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That's quite awesome. I'd never really thought about the whole polar bear thing before. Good post, my man.
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what if the 'test bear' pushing the wheel is what causes the Incident? And starts the record-skipping again, forcing someone else (newly destiny focused Jack?) to right it again, knocking everybody time-displaced back to their proper time?
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Were sent away after Pierre discovered who Miles was. He couldn't risk having old Miles come into contact with young Miles. See the comicon video.
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Were sent away after Pierre discovered who Miles was. He couldn't risk having old Miles come into contact with young Miles. See the comicon video.
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not, but if Rousseau got on the island in 1988, how did she survive the Purge? Do you think this will be explained?
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But a chimp would make more sense
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Due to OVER USE. I think it had a tendency to stretch the talkbacks out when folks used it for their entire posts. I think it CAN be done...but they stopped advertisin how.
Thanks, Mr. Monkey. I'll be here all week.
Rousseau survived the Purge by being far, far away from it. The poison gas was limited to one part of the island...not 'island-wide'. It was not an Airborne Toxic Event (great band name). Plus, Ben didn't kill Danielle when kidnapped Alex as a baby...why would he kill her in '92? She's STILL Alex's Mom. -
They are strong little fuckers...But there's a reason why Darlton showed us all the BEAR cages on Hydra...and that they were training them to perform tasks...and showing us polar bear remains in the desert. I guess the D.I. were short on adult chimps back in the day.
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When Miles was a kid he had the body there and was able to read the impressions from the body and since the death looked recent since there was no decay the spirit probably hadn't left quite yet. Same thing with Miles and the Dharma body.
When talking to the Father he had no body since it had been scattered on the football field. The boys spirit had also left by then. So he wasn't able to get a reading from ehter a body or spirit.
Now with thye Grandma in season 4 she called him more as a Ghostbusting role or to make the spirit leave. I don't know if the device was to make noise, create cold air to accomodate the comunication, to detect the spirit or something else. But the spirit was still there and he was able to get a reading from it. from the spirit he found out about the money and told it to leave the house.
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and I currently don't have Season 4 on my computer but when Miles first appeared he communicated with a ghost he found or trapped with some weird machine and the ghost told him where his old hiding spot was. He found drugs and money or drug money, cant remember. So, he obviously doesnt "need" a body to work his mojo and it was not a con. You are probaly right about the father though; he told him what he always wanted to tell his father, and then came clean because it was unfair to the dead boy to let his father off the hook for his prior behavior.
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that doesn't really place it anywhere specific in the timeline right? The Others moved in and set up shop, they kept all the Dharma crap. Unless I'm missing something there is no real way to tell if the bear was put there by the efforts of the DI or the Others. Like Fain, I'm starting to suspect the line between the important DI folks and the Others is pretty thin.
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I felt that he'd been pretty much useless redshirt material for a while.
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So Darlton has said that they were going to give us Frieghter flashback in season 4 if the strike hadn't hit. If there would have been no strike do you think we would have gotten the introduction of Bram and the "shadow of the statue" line in season 4 or that would still be in season 5 with maybe another character being van napped?
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So Darlton has said that they were going to give us Frieghter flashback in season 4 if the strike hadn't hit. If there would have been no strike do you think we would have gotten the introduction of Bram and the "shadow of the statue" line in season 4 or that would still be in season 5 with maybe another character being van napped?
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breaks are too short at work. sorry to hear about your back. it was all that Wii bowling, i'm certain! LOL! I got Wii tennis arm the other week. :) hope you feel better soon, sans doctors. maybe a trip to Lost island would help... but maybe not Cheif's version, that could exacerbate it! ;-B
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keep up the great work on Room23. LOVE the Miles illustration, and the Lapidus one makes me laugh. love that Hawaiian shirt
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the people that ben trusted to keep john's body? those are probably the "shadow" people. there hasnt been any explanation WHO they really were. we just assumed they worked for ben or were an "outside" resource for him. he prolly has to WORK WITH ellie and her people because she's against widmore now. they now think ben turned on them after he shot ceasar. they only started asking that "shadow" question after frank got back from going after ben.
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If butcher lady is part of the 'Shadow Conspiracy', and she was entrusted with Locke's body, and the 'Shadow' people are all over that coffin-sized box...
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Apr 17, 2009 5:57:02 PM CDT
Discussion: If Boone & Shannon were still alive
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
where would their character arcs have gone and what would they be doing this season?
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regarding his 'ability'... what if that residual energy that he talks about is what the island captures when a person dies and that is why we see all the dead folks?
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maybe they USED ben to get themselves and locke to the island. now they're getting ready to claim it back from widmore AND ben. they were going to double-cross ben but he beat them to it. btw, i think locke is still locke because walt said he had that dream of them trying to hurt him. since he's supposed to be the new leader they have to get rid of him now. hence the war...
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u know in a step-sibling kinda way lol
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... than he's letting on. Remember his extortion demands in "Eggtown," when he shouted at Ben and demanded he not be treated like "one of them (Lokce et al)?" His flashback didn't explain when he came to know that Ben had access to big money, though one could assume that he found out before setting foot on the island. Does this seem like a minor detail (which the writers would simply ignore), or could this be part of a larger "gap" that will be filled before this season ends?
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... where *was* Hurley's father during the stretch of time that he was a kid? If his father "left" about 17 years back, could he have been on the island during a post-purge stretch? Granted, Cheech Marin's character is rather silly, and could possibly damage the mystique of the island (Horace's faux dim-witted antics do a little of that each time he pretends to be bungling), but it might explain that long time that he was away. It would also continue with the idea of Miles and Hurley being kindred spirits, so to speak.
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i was getting ready to say that. ben was working with the "shadow" people. miles had that pic of him from the airport remember? they ( or miles ) must have put 2 and 2 together and thats why he told ben 3.2 million. double what widmore was paying him.
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I would bet that Naiomi filled the frieghter four along with the mercenaries on Ben and his ability to get out of any bind and his limitless resources monitary and otherwise.
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I mean, hey-- the Frozen Donkey Wheel looks sorta like the wheel on a Black Rock-type ship. All you'd have to do is turn it over, and there you go, sorta.
Just wondering, and I'm too lazy right now to bother to check all the different theories. So I send up a test balloon.
Also-- everybody keeps talking about Polar Bears turning the Frozen Donkey Wheel. That's cool. But why haven't we seen any plain ol' donkeys? -
that Miles assumed if 'Shadow-Van-Bram' was against the mission to get Ben, he must be working for Ben. I think that conversation he has with Ben in 'Eggtown' makes perfect sense; Miles thinks he 'knows' something from the spiel Bram gave him, and that's also why Ben had no real idea what he was talking about. But that is a lot of 'ass'es out of 'u' and 'me'.
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... you're right (I also notice that Hobocode made a similar post). When did Miles have that airport photo, again? I'm drawing a blank on that, so I assume it was a while back. By the way... is it possible that the bandana'ed guy in the van with Bram is going to resurface? I almost wonder if this mystery person is one of several "possibles" that the writers are using, and one to eventually be inserted into a number of prior scenes (such as being the shrouded character that pursued Sawyer et al in the boats--- and got shot for his troubles). Things like these lend more credence to my belief that the writers use tree diagrams for the storylines. This would allow them to maintain a rather coherent big picture, but also keep things flexible enough to throw the fans off if we ever get too close to the big theme. Not that I think we ever have, of course.
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she was trying to recruit miles so she would have 2 moles on 2 seperate missions to the island. bettering her chances. shes about to fuck over EVERBODY ( or try )!!
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he showed it to locke and his group i believe. to show that ben could'nt be trusted and had been going on and off the island. its the episodes where sayid "exchanges" miles at the barracks.
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... that would make sense on one hand. If Ben really has that kind of money, however, it also seems pretty risky. Kinda' makes you wonder why Ben couldn't simply pay-off Keamy and his boys. After all, they weren't the most "tightly-wrapped" group of mercenaries out there (killing their ship's captain, and all).
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... okay. *Now* it's coming back.
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ellie had the location and ben had the O6 so they HAD to work together. at least in the beginning.....wink wink-- nudge nudge lol
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Apr 17, 2009 8:05:51 PM CDT
at the risk of reigniting debate on polar bears and donkey wheel
by maniaq
I used to believe the polar bears were brought to that island by Dharma *SPECIFICALLY* to turn that wheel - but according to this latest episode, there's a problem with that theory...
his name is Dr. Chang.
it seems the bears were brought to the island *BEFORE* there even was an Orchid station with said FDW and what have they been doing?
"inane" experiments, says the good Dr. - with a hint of disgust!
I'm therefore lead to believe the bears and the donkey wheel bear (pardon the pun) no relationship to one another, apart from the purely coincidental - although there's still room for the above theory that the OTHERS appropriate the bears to turn the wheel AFTER the purge has eliminated the DI... but considering the utter CONTEMPT the man who is actually in charge of the FDW project has for those people who brought polar bears to the island, I simply cannot believe they were both serving the same purpose... -
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they were already manipulating the bears. u know with them being able to even survive on a tropical island and all. and the bear in tunisia is a direct experiment of them tuning the wheel. like other people have said y risk a human when u can use a animal? its typical in all scientific expeiments. thats the reason the writers put the dharma collar on it. its not that hard to understand.
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don't use the numbers - it's like they're bad luck or something!
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what I'm saying is they didn't bring the bears to the island just so they could turn the wheel - because they needed a guinea pig that isn't a person - that doesn't fit with the timeline, because the bears are ALREADY on the island for whatever purpose they were brought there in the first place BEFORE they built the Orchid and (for all we know) before they even DISCOVERED the FDW in the first place...
like I said above, I'll go along with them being "retooled" for wheel-turning duties later on, like say, after the purge (maybe just as a way of getting rid of them?) but that's obviously NOT the reason they were brought to the island...
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Polar Bear didn't turn the wheel. It was in a room with someone who did. They wound up in Tunisia. Man killed the Polar Bear. That man was John Locke.
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they were doing all kinds of experiments on the island way before they found the fdw. the bears were one of them thats all.
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Excellent point. I caught Chang's 'inane' comment too and it ruins all these beautiful theories about the DonkeyWheelBears (cousin to the ManBearPig, if you care to know). BUT, maybe that's just another smoke screen set up by Chang to throw the 'lower level help' like a Chef and a Security Driver off the scent of what's really going on?
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We know that somehow the Blck Rock ended up in the middle of the island. What if the same thing that put that there also put a Polar Bear in the dersert?
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bears weren't brought to the island specifically to turn wheels (unless it's part of that whole Marvin LotsaNames/missing limb/Swan station "lower level help" subterfuge) but at least ONE obviously will at some point and end up in Tunisia...
Mr Zedd - remember Locke's not in 1977 but it's entirely possible the bear's in the room with some OTHER guy who kills it in Tunisia - or girl?
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I bet there'll be a cliffhanger at the end of an episode some time when a character we don't expect to know the answer to the riddle answers it back. I wonder who it will be. That revelation will be as important to the story as what actually lies in the shadow of the statue. And then they'll spend three weeks following other plots around before getting back to addressing anything, like they usually do.
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Just to throw my two cents in as far as the bears go, I agree that one of them was probably used as a guinea pig to turn the wheel when they found it, but I remember from either an old episode or webisode there was something mentioned about they were experimenting on them for climate adaptation tests also. And we know they were in those cages to see how smart they could be, etc. So I would the say the bears are fairly unimportant overall considering Changs comment about the Hydra people's "inane" experiments. When he found the wheel, he just went and took one from them. Maybe we will see that happen.
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this talkback is a waste of words.
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One thing that we need to ask our seleves is how did the Polar bears get to the island in the first place? The sub is to small. There wasn't a runway until Ben's Others built it. Only thing that I can think of is maybe the food drops they use parachutes or something? Also how did they get big metal beams and other things needed to build the Orchid and other stations/buildings? How did they bring construction vehicles & Vans over?
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Bingo.
Chang thought the work being done on the Hydra island was "unimportant" and frivilous. Thus, his apparent disgust with the D.I. polar bear "re-habitation" work.
However...
Once Chang found the FDW room...
CHANG: The hieroglyphics we found speak of a wheel...a wheel that once turned...can transport one to another place in time and space...this MUST be the wheel!
HORACE: Well, Pierre...why don't you give it a spin?
CHANG: I...I can't, Goodspeed...I...I have a son and wife here...I don't know what...the...ramifications will be.
HORACE: Well, Doc...I have a wife & kid here, too. What about you, Dan?
FARRADAY: Um...I dunno, guys...there could be...ahhh...complications if you turn this thing wrong. Maybe we need a lab rat?
CHANG: You fool...that wheel weighs 600 lbs...what lab rat could turn that wheel?
HORACE: What about the polar bears over at Hydra Island? They could turn it...they teach 'em to do all sorts of shit over there.
CHANG: (sighs) Get me their polar bears.
HORACE: Bears? How many of 'em do ya want, Pierre?
CHANG: All of them.
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the same way widmore's freighter people got there. u just follow whatever quardinates dharma gave u. it was easier for the dharma people because they had been on the island for years. and as some have suggested working with widmore when he was in charge.
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I don't think a few polar bears would be that much more difficult.
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My guess is that if Boone & Shannon were still alive, Boone would have been able to move on from his lust over Shannon and she would date Sayid for awile and then leave him for someone else. But would also have found more self reliance. Boone would have been Locke's second in command for awile dutifully pushing the button, but realizing before Locke that it was futile and then treaking off on his own only to get captured by the others. Becoming one of them like Cindy did. Later Shannon laevs the island making it Oceanic 7.
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Thats what Im saying, how did they get the crane there? Wasn't the Freighter captain not able to actually get the freighter to the mainland? Weren't the coordinatyes just for small things like submarines & Helicopters?
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all u have to do is get close and fly the stuff over. they have heavy-duty copters for that.
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if they can leave the island in a small boat like that, im sure they could get all that stuff over.
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Boone's purpose was soley to help Locke find the hatch. Locke tossed Boone a flashlight...Boone dropped it....and it made a 'clank' rather than a 'thud' when it hit the ground. Swan Hatch Found = Boone's purpose OVER.
Shannon's purpose was to 'awake' Sayid from the demons his past...AND learned a lesson about becoming a better person herself. The 'selfish' and 'vanity obsessed' Shannon met Sayid in the LA airport...he asked her to watch his bag...her prejudice over his Arab appearance led her to report him as a security risk. Later...on the island...once she got to KNOW Sayid...she found out he was really was a nice man...and began to have feelings for him...and thus, learned not to judge a book by it's cover.
More importantly...Shannon spoke French...Sayid needed her to translate Rousseau's map...this led to their relationship...which later led to them BOTH seeing backwards talking, drippy wet Walt. Ana Lucia ended their relationship at that moment...but Shannon's death helped spawn Sayid's uneasy relationship with Ana Lucia...which led to exposing Henry Gale as a liar...thus becoming more actively involved in the island's designs.
Shannon and Boone 'served their purposes'...and the island's demand for them was no more.
Or...as Locke said...they were "a sacrifice the island demanded".
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invisible to the outside world. We ASSUME it would be tough for the 1974-77 Dharma folk to get in and out of the island's 'invisible' radius...thus making boat-to-land equipment drops next to impossible.
However...I think the 'geothermal generator' inside the Sawan hatch had a lot to do with the island's 'cloaking' mechanism.
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AS Ben!
They did a skit were the whole cast & crew were having a horrible day...but everyone is soothed by watching Susan Boyle sing "I Dreamed A Dream"....Emerson as Ben, steps in and tries to tell everyone "You have to go back to the island..."...and everyone waves him off, cuz they are awestruck by the Britain's Got Talent singing phenom. So, Ben sulks off.
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Boone was the first of many tests the island threw at Locke, and his first failure. If you watch the episode that Boone climbs up into the plane, he basically has to do so because Locke is incapacitated. The situation ends up being quite like the one between John and his father; Locke uses Boone because he needs to know what is in the plane, without regard for his safety. Locke has failed numerous times on the show. He let the Swan blow up, he has been manipulated time and time again. Plus, I still don't think it was a coincidence that Aaron, the first child born on the island in quite awhile, was born right when Boone died.
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I mean his faith has faltered, with tragic results. He discovered the hatch, but lost his head after Boone died. He didn't think it was the island's desire till Desmond turned on the light. He started the button pushing but was also the reason the Swan went kaboom. He couldn't get the O6 to return so he hung himself...I'm just glad he finally seems to have found his way.
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Locke's failures have become legendary...However...I think Boone was NOT a test for Locke...finding the hatch was his 'test'. He would have walked right by it had Boone not dropped that flashlight.
Boone's death was a consequence of passing that test...and while it may be viewed as a 'failure' on Locke's part...Locke did need to know what was in that plane. But the island 'saved' Locke by taking away his legs....Thus, Boone became a sacrifice...to allow join to fail again...on his journey to become 'the one'.
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I was sure that Boone was the price for Aron, some kind of balance, and that Locke was the mean, but it have more sense the other way around.
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Marvel comics has a series called "What If" where they take things that happened and change them. Lost has rules, but its crated by Darlton and they could have done anything or made any rules that they wanted to. So what Im saying is What if Boone wasn't the Sacrfice that the island demanded, what if Locke had not lost his legs at that moment. looking at the path that Boone had gone on up until then, but didn't die how would Darlton have written Boone & Shannon if they were still alive. How do you all think that their archs would have continued? We know that Eko had a different intended storyline but wanted to leave the show.
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to die in the Looking Glass? How would that have changed the story. Or if Eko instead of dieing became the one who became the Variable and forsaw Charlie's death or even another character? What if Hurley was the one destined to go down into the hatch to be shot by Michael. How would that effect the storyline and character development? What if Aaron had been kidnapped and Claire was the one who shot Ana Lucia & Libby. The same stuff is happening, just with different characters. Same results, just different character dynamics. Like if Sayid was intended to die in the Looking Glass then Shannon would greave over him reather then Hurley & Claire greaving over Charlie, but the Looking Glass still got turned off.
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I was about to say essentially the same thing about the Island taking away Locke's legs so Boone's death couldn't be considered his fault, and then you not only beat me to it but add another spin that makes it make even more sense!
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But the simple answer is...some of our regulars...even some of our 'core' Losties...are wearing red shirts underneath their clothing.
Each is fulfilling their 'purpose' on the island. Once they are finished helping the island do what needs to be done (Hello, Michael/Kevin Johnson)...they are 'released' from duty.
Some of our favorite characters merely are there to learn a lesson...like Eko...Ana Lucia and Shannon...and they get the axe. I think Eko was brought on board so Locke would have a spiritual 'sounding board' for Locke's 'loss of faith' moments...a ying to his yang, if you will.
But if you want me to 'guess' where Eko would be in the current storyline had Adewale Akinnuoye Agbaje not grown tired of shooting a show in Hawaii and continued on LOST...I gotta say...I can't get invested in that. I'm having enough trouble keeping track of everybody on the show CURRENTLY without trying to 'guess' what killed off characters would be doing on the show right now.
Let's save the "what if's" for AFTER the series finale. There's too much to still discuss that's relevant to what happening NOW on LOST, than to be coming up with fan fiction fantasy worlds where Boone is talking to Jacob.
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Had Locke's ability to use his legs not been taking away by the island at that instant...he would have told Boone to wait 'safely' on the ground while HE went up inside the plane...and jack would have been amputating LOCKE'S leg with a door, instead of Boone's...
And BOONE would have been pounding on that hatch door when Des turned on the light.
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An epic battle between Eko & Keamy!
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Apr 18, 2009 2:51:45 AM CDT
He He all will fall under the power of my What If!
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Bow to me, Bow to me all!!!!
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I'll share more What Ifs tomarrow. (Invader Zim voice) Bow to me earth worm! Bow to the power of What If!
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Great minds, and all that.
I always loved 'What If?' PA, nice reference. That's an interesting concept to think about, especially considering the heavy thread of Destiny running through the show. I'll have to ponder a while... -
Is now on after LOST!
I've been waiting for him to be concerned for a new recruit named walt...
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"WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLTTTT!!!!!!!111"
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Was obviously introduced as an island rival for Locke. Maybe he would have got some of Ben's story lines if Michael Emerson hadn't been so awesome. Or Desmond's, because it seemed like Eko was meant to be one of the biggest new season two characters. He was interested in Dharma so would have kept learning about that. His connection to the drug plane suggests he would have been involved with the Frozen Donkey Wheel eventually. But I guess the smoke monster, which was interested in him early, eliminated him as factor earlier than anticipated. Which is a shame because he was a great character and his passing makes a lot of season two a bit pointless in retrospect. I wonder what the church would have been. Remember those logs he was chopping. Maybe he was building a cabin. I hope we see Yemi again. I'm surprised that we haven't. I still think that needs wrapping up a bit better than it has been. How the plane got to the island. Presumably something to do with the donkey wheel?
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Damn' good episode. Loved Miles AND Hurley!
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... here's hope, Desmond shows up very soon!
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Quote of the week.
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Apr 18, 2009 9:23:34 AM CDT
The idea that they need polar bears to turn the wheel
by thunderbolt ross
is silly anyway. A turd like Ben can turn it on his own, why the hell would they use POLAR BEARS?
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...caused his plane to crash? Did I misunderstand that conversation with Miles? It sounded to me like he said an accident occurred to bring down the Oceanic flight. Is he saying that an acident caused the hatch to blow off and strike the plane?
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Has anybody considered that RA is from the original egyptian people living on that island?I mean, everybody knows their leaders wore eyeliner... :P
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Yeah he said the hatch caused his plane to crash, des revealed to them in an episode that it was the one time he didnt get to the computer on time, the same day their plane crashed
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The Hatch was an electromagnetic thingamajig. When Desmond almost missed entering the numbers, the Hatch pulsed and the electromagnetic force killed Oceanic's plane, bringing it down in two big pieces.
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oh and another thing I've seen ppl posting about the dude that was dead saying that dharma killed him, miles said he was killed by a filling flying out of a tooth and through his head not a bullet, prly caused by the electromagnetism exposed while building that hatch, remember when they were investigating it earlier or actually in the future that it was magnetic...I thought it was interesting though that the guy looked like a skinier version of hurley I wonder if that was a red herring or of some significance
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...he's referring to the station under the actual "hatch" not the door itself. DUH! How dumb of me. That's right, I remember that the date on some printout or other showed that an EMP occurred at the time of their crash. Okay. I get it now. THANKS!
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and one small piece.
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Front, Middle & Tail. Im guess thats what you ment CB anyways.
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So Im curious if where the 3 sections landed was random or if it happened for a reason? Like why did the front land inland the middle on the beach and the tail section in the water on the other side of the island? Just random or was it controled somehow by the island?
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The Empire that Hurley knows had flaws. Thats why he rewrites it and somehow gets it to Lucas. Listen to Hurley talking to Miles about Luke and Vader again. He tells Miles that Luke finds out Vader is his dad but instead of putting away his lightsaber and talking to him, he goes and gets his hand cut off. Thats a different scenario to what we know. We know that Luke gets his had chopped off FIRST. Then Vader tells him he is his father. And we also know that Luke from there on in the next film wants to find the good side of Vader. So Hurley, wrote that as the improvement! It fits his belief in a Son to find the goodness in his father. We know that there is nothing to improve in Empire because Hurley fixed that!
As for the "What happened, happened" rule, it still applies. Time is elastic. If something is changed the, the timeline rectifies itself. Hurley's improvements made no significant changes to the timeline. -
Now...let's hug it out, bitch!
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You have to sit through some silly Fallon "humor", but it's worth it.
http://tinyurl.com/deamjv
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John Locke: Jacob and The Island
Jack Sheppard: Inertia and Gravity.
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Emerson's 1 line escalates that skit to a whole other level. Literally!
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The island used Boone to influence Locke a number of times. For one, Boone made Locke feel like the leader he is apparently destined to be. Two, the island seemed to be using Boone to show Locke the different Dharma stations. He found the hatch because Boone dropped his light, as mentioned. But everyone seems to forget that Boone was involved in the dream that lead Locke to the plane...and the Pearl if he would've looked hard enough. He also shows up to lead Locke to Mr. Eko and back into the land of the believers after Locke gives up on pushing the button and causes the hatch to explode.
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Apr 18, 2009 1:47:03 PM CDT
Until he killed himself, Locke never really showed any faith
by longjohnny99
I honestly think the island thinks Locke needs a little training/molding before he can take over. The first thing is Boone - the island gives him a son-type to nurture, and Locke uses him like his father did to him. The main reason Boone had to climb was b/c Locke was having his legs taken away by the island due to his hatch frustrations. Locke could've just had some faith and tried, like he finally did with the FDW, but he was content to let Boone take the risk. I mean really, if Locke mans up there and starts climbing that wall, does the island allow him to die? Nope.
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The show has always used "hatch" and "swan station" interchangeably. "The hatch" is just the door. Even in this episode, the DHARMA guy said "hatch door" which is either a tautology, or even DHARMA were calling the station the hatch for some unknown reason.
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seen in a whole new way... :)
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I'm trying to figure out when exactly the show jumped the shark.
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Season 6, Episode 7: "It Was All Just A Dream".
Keep an eye out for it. -
"A job...is a job!", indeed!
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No need to entertain him. He's on here every week saying the same three sentences. If you don't like the show, skip the topic! It's like driving to a soccer game every week just to tell other people in the stadium how much you hate soccer. Anyway, I'm guessing we'll see the dead dharma worker alive and well sometime soon, without any recollection about what happened. Something to do with the orchid pod.
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he becomes "Felix the (Lab) Rat".
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I imagine we just saw it two episodes ago when the "Under the shadow of the statue" phrase showed up. Throwing out a brand new concept right before the final season starts screams of Indiana Jones meeting aliens.
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I don't get the comparison. If by 'brand new concept' you mean introducing aliens into the Indy canon (which, every other movie had supernatural or religious pulp concepts already...but extra-terrestrials is pushing that a bit thin), what does that have to do with the 'shadow' pharase? The Statue was something that was introduced as early as the finale of season 2.
And we all know the Jumping of the Shark will happen when the 40-foot-tall, four-toed alien with a dog face jumps off his spaceship, yelling at everyone to "Get the hell of my lawn!" -
I'm not even drunk; no excuse.
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Apr 18, 2009 6:11:04 PM CDT
EyeofPolyphemus, re: new plot threads at the end of the season
by billboefett
is what LOST has been doing since the first season, and every season. And usually introduces a new set of people that come to the island.
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a Constant is a little pebble in a time-stream that has to go with the flow, and cannot alter the stream. A Variable, however, is a very large pebble in a pool of small peoples that can definitely change the flow of the stream.
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i think, one of the reasons, locke was brought to the island was to actually RID the island of the Swan Station. all these stations were actually HAMPERING the islands true nature. i mean, he took care of the Flame so no more outside communication could happen. the swan was fucking around with the islands "natural" properties even causing the incident that dharama has to fix. we've seen what happens at the Orchid when people keep fucking with it. i think what makes locke the true leader of the island is him "restoring" it to how it was before outsiders started fucking with it. remember locke chastising ben for having electricity and not "living off" the island-- he thought they were "cheating"....
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But Rock Band is clearly superior. :)
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Introducing new people at the end of this season prevents LOST from jumping the shark how exactly?
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they are ellie's people. she was introduced in season 3. no shark. u must not watch the show if u ask a question like that. do u need this show SLOWLY explained to u??
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he was introduced in season 3 (and hinted at throughout all the seasons)--- so WHAT shark are u talking about??
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Not as much as you apparently need grammar and punctuation slowly explained to you. if you are going to patronize me over something as frivolous as a television, do try not to mangle the English language in the process.
Now, since my question is obviously stupid, the answer must easily come to you, so i shall ask again: how would introducing new people at the end of this season preclude the possibility of it being a jump theshark moment?
Oh, heck. Let me answer for you. It will not. The storyline attached to the new people could be as extraordinarily bad as the first six episodes in 2006.
I will even up the ante. The redoes appear to be a supernatural element attached to the new group. Previous seasons have introduced relatively normal people like Desmond, the others, and the boat crew. So, yeah, this is going to be different.
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about frivolous television... so i guess you're pandering now????
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SLOWLY watch ALL of the seasons..... if u do u should get it... or not...
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ummm... desmond TIMETRAVELS by using his mind.... miles TALKS to dead people... hurley SEES dead people... jack sees his DEAD DAD in the 1st season.... walt "appears" to shannon and sayid... the WHISPERS... the entire fucking island "moving" in TIME... need i mention JACOB??? yeah this is a "relatively normal" show dumbass....
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The dude asked a simple question in a cizilized manner and was arguing his point, and didn't resort to out-right insults until you did the same first. Not cool, man; chill out, play some guitar hero. I actually DO dig your theory above, and it goes along with the idea that Widmore was the one who brought in the DI to harness the power of the island, which Ben in turn continued to use (that'd also explain why Jacob/Christian told Locke to 'Help Me'...He/The Island was imprisoned like a slave). But c'mon; I know this thread gets a fair share of trolls but you can't just start insulting people because they have a different opinion than you. *gets off soapbox*
EyeofPolyphemus, I said in response to you a little earlier that 'the Statue' is something that was introduced back at the end of Season 2, and has honestly been one of those things most people have pointed to as something everyone wants to have explained. I'LL up the ante and also say (as you stated) that new characters have been introduced and at times even added to the main cast every season, so how is this different? And I actually don't see what's the basis for thinking any of the new characters or their actions have led to them being thought of as 'supernatural' in nature (especially considering we've got a black smoke monster, walking dead people and an ageless man walking around the island; I know Darlton's said everything will be explained through science, but I'm still scratching my head on some of these...). Thoughts? -
he pissed me off by the whole "jump the shark" comment. i mean c'mon! that comment BEGS for someone to defend the show. to introduce "new" people like thats a stupid move on the show's part. and... yes... im having SOME trouble with "everlong" on hard ......SORRY!!! lol damn 95%
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I cannot find the exact quote so take what I have to say on it as pure speculative opinion...
I, too, remember someone in authority over at LOST saying that things will be scentifically plausable.
Now the way I took, it at the time, was that it was a reference to the show AT THAT POINT. That the show would remain grounded for a bit longer before delving into the more fantastic stuff, but that the fantastic stuff would arrive in due time. -
Damn lack of edit button.
Although "scentifically" imples "smellovision", which is kind of funny. -
BELEIVE me I do (Damn you, Dave Grohl!). But there's really no need for name calling and random insults. 'Nuff said.
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I have actually gone out of my way to say it is potentially different, not definitely a jump the shark moment. It was actually on off the cuff joke to a question asking for speculation when the show jumped the shark. Cheif Brody made a similar joking response.
It slipped my mind how hostiles LOSTies can be about such things. seriously, I have been involved in talkbacks as either Citizen_V or EyeofPolyphemus since 1999. other than the presidential debate talkbacks last year, I have never so many jerks congregate in one place. Is LOST like flypaper for jackasses? I have been jumped on at least once in everyone I have been in. You would think merely by the law of averages I would post at least something every now and then that does not get pantie sin a wad.
Anyway, I suspect the black/white element is coming to fruition in season six. I have seen that sort of thing done many times before. The Egyptian mythology appears to have popped out of nowhere. The hieroglyphs on the computer was the only previous element I can think of and it seemed incidental. I fear Locke's resurrection makes him some kind of ambiguous angel like Starbuck on BSG. We have heard nothing about the Oceanic children. We do not know what the whispers are. We do not know what Smokey is. There are loads and loads of questions that are probably going to all be answered in the last few minutes of theseries finale just like Alias, but all the answers will probably have to do with the new people who are coming to the island.
So, yeah, there is jump the shark potential there.
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we just disagree. were is my "no prize" lol. i think he was insulting the show because he wasnt following it. its easy to "crack" on a show if u dont actually watch it. to automatically call out "jump the shark"... seemed kinda pointless to me...
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there's been alot here lately, just ask fain or brody. just have some patience. i think ur questions will be answered. apology accepted???
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That's a thought, but they've gone to an awful lot of trouble to use scientific theories to base their use of time travel around (and before everyone starts yelling, NO, time travel is not possible at the moment, but they ARE using actual scientific theories to prove it plausible and hence not supernatural). I'm actually kind of excited to see if they can explain everything else with scientific theorm and postulature. But if not, that's a good 'fix' for that comment. :)
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Oh, I hope so, too.
And when I said "fantastic", I didn't mean "supernatural" so much as "not *hard* sci-fi". -
I wasn't trying to be hostile, I'm sorry if it came off that way. Re-reading your first post I did kinda' jump on it without realizing you were joking (hell, I made a 'Jump the Shark' joke too). I'm all about honest discussion, differing opinions presenting their opposing viewpoints in a civil way and throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks. Sorry if it came off as an attack.
I'm actually very excited by the new 'Shadow' people; like you said, their coming will probably lead to a few answers we've been drooling for, and that's what we've been waiting for this whole series! :) -
Sadly, not yet. I'm just a bit dumb some times. And yes, 'Crazy Train' can suck a dick.
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If someone answered already, sorry...
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I gotcha', broseefus. That's the thing, Lost is a genre/sci-fi show. These concepts they're dealing with might be able to be 'explained' through science, but there's no way it's realistically scientifically possible. That's to say, the dead folk walking around can be called, I dunno, 'Residual Electrical Brain Impulses' or something, as opposed to 'Ghosts', but I don't think they're implying that their 'scientific' explanation is any more plausible.
...I don't know if that made ANY damn sense. Sorry, I ramble sometimes, if you haven't noticed.
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At some point sci-fi and fantasy enterttainment can only be distinguished by superficial labels and window dressing.
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Yep. Apology accepted.
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Apr 18, 2009 10:56:46 PM CDT
i got ur beer right here fain.. may i buy mister eye one too?
by jay2517
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he's the guy chasing THE BANDIT!
ok, seriously tho, I gotta agree with the Cheif about the Locke/Boone thing-
seems to me Boone had a specific "purpose" to fulfil, very much in the same way that Michael served a specific purpose...
so I think the island essentially took away Locke's ability to walk at the crucial point in time that would lead Boone to climb up to the plane and subsequently meet his end - I think his purpose was not so much preventing Locke from being the one to fall and die, as teaching Locke to accept his sacrifice (remember that whole tent/dream/spirit-journey-thing with Dead-Boone which I think is when Locke starts walking again, right?)
kinda like (and I know my SW references are starting to pile up) Ben Kenobi making sure Luke sees him die - very much on-purpose - I always thought Ben was a sly old dog for what he did there, coz it totally provided motivation for young Luke by way of a desire to avenge his death
anyway, maybe I'm stretching the analogy a bit thin, but I think Boone's death served a similar purpose of allowing Locke to deal with sacrifice - esp. sacrifice of someone who's close to him,as opposed to sacrificing just some random red-shirt type...
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If I remember, Darlton explained that the supernatural elements on LOST would have a sci-fi explanation, akin to Star Trek, in that the things shown could be potentially explained using pseudo-scientific explanations; in contrast to such things portrayed in Lord of the Rings or other fantasy genres where zero attempt is made to explain things scientifically. Warp drives, dimensions, time travel, etc. on Star Trek all try to ground themselves at least in scifi with the optimism that someday they may be possible. This is what I remember Darlton saying in a podcast; right or wrong.
Now onto the jumping the shark thing: the term was coined from the infamous Happy Days episode where Fonzie jumps over a shark on waterskis (or was it a motorcycle.. don't care). The stunt was a last-minute desperate attempt to try to gain news fans or retain old ones and it didn't really work. Sitcoms in the 80s and 90s then followed suit by always adding some brand new cast member like a new member of the family or a neighbor, or, on Family Matters, the whole Steffan Urkelle thing. Usually, when a show suddenly does this, its on it's way out and you can start counting down to the end. The reason shows do this is an act of desperation to spice things up, help with ratings, or buy a little time with hopefully renewed interest from the audience. Notice a pattern here? LOST is guaranteed 6 seasons, and wants to END at 6 seasons. It's a contract. It's one-single story, a serial, told from beginning to end. The story itself is linear, even though the narrative is all mixed up in order. In other words, LOST isn't in desperation mode to even pull a "jumping the shark" moment. They don't need to bide any time. Since they've known the end of the show for years now, they also wouldn't suddenly just pull a jump the shark moment. Everything has to fit in with the larger explanation that Damon Lindelof, JJ Abrams, Carlton Cuse, Jack Bender (director) and I'd even add Matthew Fox, knows of. The time travel isn't a jump the shark moment because it was strongly hinted at in season 1 with the skeletons. It's been in the DNA of the show from the beginning. This will become more apparent as the show concludes. I've already listed the reasons WHY time travel as a completely naked and bare concept of the show (instead of hinted at) came in the third act in a post above; they simply couldn't get to it sooner. It needed a ton of lead-in.
In summary, LOST doesn't need a jumping the shark stunt, it's not in desperation mode, and will finish out on-time, as the producers want, with 6 seasons. And, again, they've introduced brand new characters, new storyline threads, near the end of EVERY season, leading into the next. That's been explained to death in the posts above this one. Illiana and Brams could be with Widmore, Ben, or Dharma. I will even grant that if Brams+Illiana's group is an altogether NEW group that we've never seen before, I'd think thats cool, and still doesn't fit the jumping the shark qualification. It wouldn't be an act of desperation or chosen to bide time. And it certainly isn't ridiculous or outside the scope of the LOST universe. Fonzie jumping over a killer shark, is. It was laughable then, its laughable now. A jumping on the shark moment would be if Locke and Ben move in together as roomates as a sort-of Odd Couple sitcom. The phrase is WAY overused, and rarely applies to the miriad of things people try to put it on. Same with "filler". -
above was mainly for you sir.
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ALWAYS comes before a show knows its cancelled, btw. LOST has known 6 seasons since mid-season 3 when they went before ABC and brokered an industry-first contract deal to end the show 3 seasons later.
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it seems that people use that term too loosely. i mean what "really" is "filler"??? stuff u dont understand? things u dont like to begin with?? if u have all action then they bitch TOO MUCH ACTION!! if u have character episodes the say NOT ENOUGH ACTION!! im at a loss for words sometimes...
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Jack punched Ben out in Through the Looking Glass. 100x
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Things they are unwilling to grant can and will payoff later. Its that simple. The lack of faith from these doubting-Thomases is unbecoming for them despite the 'touch it and see' evidence the show has given them for 5 years now. Of course the major secrets and all the tie-ins are being saved for the final bow which is indeed season 6, but some of these people apparently can't hold on that long. Good riddance. Go watch HEROES or something.
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fain does too. i implore people JUST WATCH ALL THE SEASONS. thats it.... im sorry fain if u agree with zedd but, he just goes on that talkback CHAMPIONING that show... then he comes here to nitpick LOST??? he cant do BOTH and retain credability....
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I love Lost, and there hasn't seemed to be anything contridictory in it. I love the speed of this season, but I also loved the character moments of season 2. Its all great!
I tried to watch an episode of Heroes mid 1st season but was confused. I thought of watching it all, but with Lost, Smallville & Office I didn't want to add another show to my list. Same thing with 24, I'd like to pick it up, but don't have the time. -
Remember Dharmashark? That reminds me, how about a Lost spinoff starring a talking Dharmashark who plays drums in an underwater rock band with the ghosts of Charlie, Mikhail, Greta, and Bonnie?
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Donnie was supposed to die, but he didn't. This set a chain of events that would ultimately lead to the alternate timeline (the one that wasn't supposed to happen) ripping apart the very fabric of time and space. The irony is that the very plane his mother is on is the one that ends up killing him. Donnie became a sacrifice to fix everything. I feel LOST is doing an ultimate 6-season course correction; someone is manipulating events from the behind the scenes to make things right; I just can't figure out who. I guess I'm choosing either Jack, Desmond, Ben, or Locke as the Donnie Darko character in this.
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Actually what I said was that Lost, The Office & Smallville are the main shows that I do watch. That was awsome last episode with Dwight & Michaels little war.
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I vote Jacob
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Like that one guy said, it means different thing to different people. I admire Lost and do think certain things will either pay off in or at least jibe with forthcoming explanations, but to me season 2 and 3 had a lot of filler (for example, Charlie I guess having a heroin-induced vision that he had to baptise Aaron, Sawyer stealing the guns, etc. etc.). Some of that filler happened to be entertaining, other times not so much -- although that too is subjective. Now you can say that all of that will end up paying off later, and maybe it will. Personally I'm skeptical, but I don't really feel like arguing about what might or might not happen; I'm just grateful that -- for whatever reason -- the show seems to have gotten a lot better since the end of season 3.
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What if Ilana & Bram aren't working for Widmore, Ben or Eloise. What if every leader Widmore, Ben, Locke, etc has messed up things in one way or another and so Jacob is taking things into his own hands and Ilana, Bram & others are working for him. Jacob is using them to now make sure that things really run the way that he wants them to?
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By jove, PA, I think you might be on to something...
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So...I'll try to be brief.
I remember Eye of Polyps...hello. Eye. Welcome back into the fold. I think what Eye was trying to say...is that while "football" (a screen name I've never seen in a LOST talkback since Day 1) may or may not have been a dixholster "plant" from the gay ass Stargate talkback....He had a point...when did LOST jump the shark? My answer, which Eye was riffing upon, implied that LOST has NOT jumped any shark yet...HOWEVER...that possibility EXISTS in it's future (hence, my fictional episode title)...
There are a billion ways Darlton could fuck this up. A billion. One 'wrong' explanation of something on LOST could send half the LOST fans into a venomous frenzy of hate and dismay. Carlton & Damon are completely walking a tight rope right now.
Each step has to please the 'characterization' crowd, AND the 'mythology answers' crowd...AND the 'this better not all end up being sci-fi' crowd...AND the 'this better be ALL sci-fi' crowd.
In other words...Darlton has the unenviable task of pleasing ALL of us.
Guess what? They can't...they've even SAID that they can't. They have prepared a LOST finale for us...some of us will LOVE it...some of us will HATE it. They guaranteed that.
The "shark jumper's" fear the latter is an inevitability. And, ya know what? Good for them...they are completely entitled to THAT opinion...to have preordained 'doubts' about LOST's final outcome.
The basic truth is...until the show is flat finished...DONE...whatever answers Darlton deems necessary to give us are revealed...there's absolutely no WAY to know if the 6 year investment was really worth it.
Those who are already 'questioning' this...late in Season 5...should probably bail now...cuz it would appear you are already jaded as to where the current storyline is headed. But...if you've stuck with this show since September 22nd, 2004....and you would be happy no matter WHAT happens...then you have 'enjoyed the ride'...which...when you get right down to it...is the basic POINT of ANY type of entertainment...that the audience 'enjoyed the ride'.
There are a billion ways to fuck it up. But, if you are like me...you trust that Darlton HAS. A. PLAN. And they KNOW people are just waiting for LOST to jump the shark.
At least they have been honest in the fact that their conclusion will NOT please everyone (and how could it, really?)...But if the final episode doesn't completely shit the bed...I'm certain the MAJORITY of hard core LOST fans...who have followed the show religiously like most of us in this talkback have...will be MORE than pleased with the results.
Good Jacob! I said I was gonna be brief. My apologies. I've been drinkin. My point is...as it was a few weeks back to Cherry Valance...
If you are already having doubts about Lost's direction...it may be time to jump ship NOW. Save yourself the bitter disappointment. Otherwise...
Enjoy the ride. Thanks for promoing my blog post, Pa! For those interested in more LOST than humanly necessary...check out our LOST blog at the address above!
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It hurtssss usssss. Jack Bender >>>> Kelley
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The present filler debate is basically people complaining that all these current Dharma episodes are nothing but filler.
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which do u choose?? chicken PARM or veal PARM??
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thats their WORST sandwich!!! BITCH!!! LOL
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Maybe I'm nuts but was that not the point of showing Sawyer, Juliet, etc. standing in the shadow of the not yet destroyed statue durring one of the flashes? The newbies are simply asking "Do you have any fucking clue what this island can do?" Obviously, if they know about the island's inner workings, they were probaly very curious to hear Lapidus answer that...do you think Frank has leadership material in him? In other words, if he had been on and survived 815 where would he have landed in the pecking order, and how would that have affected events?
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Does anyone else think he looks hilariously cool in that bloodstained white dress shirt with his shocked grey hair? Wandering round that ghost town like a guest at a David Lynch Halloween party.
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I really loved that movie, especially the first time. Both Gyllenhalls are good in it, Jena Malone. The soundtrack kicks ass, and more importantly, the songs are utilized well. For me the best part was how they didn't overexplain the time travel. They told the story, and let it exist in its own world, not try to shoehorn it into ours. As for the point made above about Darko and Lost featuring course correction, well it would certainly appear that is the case. The adventures of Desmond and Charlie and Michael's repeated attempts at suicide come to mind; I'm sure there are more. Will the entire conceit of Lost be a major course correction...we'll see.
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but thats what she said!
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I suppose I can allow the mentioning of Darko (allow? haha, like my opinion matters...). Personally, I felt (and the director's commentary backed me up) that Kelley didn't know what the hell he was trying to say about anything. Yes, theoretically Lost involves course correction in the same way that Darko did. But I feel like Lost actually knows where it's going and knows what it wants to say. Darko was a lot of great mood, some quality acting, a decent score, but a hop-around mess of a script. Kelley is just enough of a talented visual artist to have conned me into digging it on first viewing. Then as I thought about it after I saw it, I began to realize how little sense it made and how little it cared about making sense. But, ya know, that's one man's snarky opinion.
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hyroglyphics were around since season 2.This is when the countdown metere(for the computer) went past zero-and we saw these atrange egyptian glyphs.bam!
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Part of what I liked was that it didn't make sense. It felt like sombody came up with a decent story but had a hard time applying the time travel aspect. People who try to derive any deep meaning from it, good luck.
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very thoughtful of you to enlighten me. However, the definition of "jump the shark" is not necessarily a ratings stunt, but any point at which a show begins its decline. A show can jump the shark in the final five minutes of its series finale, such as St. Elsewhere being all an autistic boy's fantasy.
Therefore it is also not a matter of ratings. I am aware, as it has been pointedout to me on three separate other Talkbacks, LOST has a contract. it does not matter if it has 100 million viewers or just J.J. Abrams' mother watching, it will fill out its episode order. but the quality of those episodes may or may not meet measure up thanks to bad storyline decisions. have you already forgotten Nikki and Paulo? LOST has not exactly hit every mark in the past.
Nothing anyone has lectured me over has explained why the inclusion of the new faction and the "shadow of the statue" story line will necessarily be a satisfying one. I am also amazed how an offhand speculative comment by me as gotten so many peoplestirred up. if it makes anyone feel better, i am sure it will be the most brilliant idea ever produced for broadcast. William Shakespeare will pound the lid of his coffin hedid not think of it first.
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"Nothing anyone has lectured me over has explained why the inclusion of the new faction and the "shadow of the statue" story line will necessarily be a satisfying one" Um... ok... why don't you fill us in on why it will NOT be a satisfying one? Why are you so sure? This is the point EVERYONE has been trying to make to you dude. Once again, with LOST having, for arguments sake, 25 plot threads that were all rewarded and paid off, and then trying to point to Nicki and Paulo as the norm, NOT the exception, proves nothing. Citing Eko or Libby, etc. still doesn't do it. 3-4 out of 25-30 is not a norm.
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My favorite moment of "Hoth"!
That would be the ENTIRE scene where Miles was transporting Chang over to the Swan site...with Hurley in the back seat egging Miles on.
But more speciffically...my fave moment of THAT scene...was Miles beautifully delivered look of disbelief when Chang said he preferred "country music". That quick, subtle look over from Miles was...perfect. The horror the once 'flock of seagulls' inspired Miles must have felt hearing his Dad's admission. (Ken Leung nailed that understated look of shock...combined with concealed disinterest like a seasoned pro). I actually got quite the chuckle out of that...even moreso than his "the ditch had a gun?" line. -
Okay. Third time is the charm, I guess. The first thing i said was, cur 'n pasted:
"I imagine we just saw it two episodes ago when the "Under the shadow of the statue" phrase showed up. Throwing out a brand new concept right before the final season starts screams of Indiana Jones meeting aliens."
I really do not know how I can elaborate any more on the issue It was an offhand speculation in answer to an equally flippant question. I am already sorry I even brought it up. Does it really mean that much to you whether I like the direction of LOSt or not? -
I'm probably late to this mental party, but I used to assumes that when Ben and Charles spoke of war, they meant with one another...
Now it's occured to me that that Ben and Charles are bickering over who gets to lead the war against the "Shadowfolk".
I might even go so far as to postulate that part of Alpert's... unease, perhaps... at Locke choosing the knife and not the compass means that this new possible leader will have to be a Warrior and not a Guide, thus signaling that a war was nigh...
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I think you're using the term wrong. You're not the only one, I'm sure. It has doubtlessly been co-opted by people who don't know better. But the term comes from Happy Days' desperate attempt to regain viewer interest by staging a ridiculous stunt. The end of St. Elsewhere hardly counts as jumping the shark because it was the end. The "shadow of the statue" people aren't jumping the shark because Lost isn't trying to regain viewers. St. Elsewhere is more Showering the Bobby. Same with the second Newhart finale.
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Hanging the Owl Creek Bridge? Stoning the Lottery? Any other literary twists I can ruin for people?
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a phrase like "shadow of the statue" seems to automatically mean Aliens are coming? Huh???
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Ghosting the Willis? Sledding the Rosebud?
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He didn't want to be with his wife and kid, really bad, openly admitting you like country music, doesn't get much worse in my book.
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A lot of symbolism in Lost seems to be good v evil, we see it in the games that are played checkers etc.
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is just some thing that Ben & Widmore are playing just as a game without any care about what happens to anyone that's on their teams. They are all just pawns on the board?
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I asked the question earlier in this Tb and I don't think anyone responded so I'm throwing it out there again. Did this last episode put to bed the questions on who faked the plane crash or did this episode muddy the water even more? Someone posted above that the body Naomi showed Miles to test him was the same Other that Ben had footage of being beaten by Widmore. If this is so, the Other would be bringing Widmore the files and photos why? To what end? Now, on the other hand if this was one of Widmores associates bringing him the evidence of the plane crash as ordered by Widmore, how did he die? Remember Miles said he EN ROUTE to Widmore with the evidence. Now, this could also be one of the people that Ben had Sayid murder, which would explain how Big Gay Tom got the evidence to show Michael. If Widmore ordered the faked plane crash, why would he need to be shown all of the evidence. Wouldn't he have ordered no photos to be taken and the evidence of the hoax destroyed? He can't trust his people to carry out his orders and demands a trail of evidence ultimately leading back to himself to be created? What do all of you think about this? I have tried in my head a few times to reason this out and there are so many questions. If the dead man was an Other, why would they bring evidence to Widmore, to taubt him? I don't know; I'm out
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Austraila's the key to it all, lol!
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The are reconstituted Dharma Initiative...back to reclaim the island. There's a reason why TPTB have had us taking DI 'tests' online...and putting fake DI advertisements embedded in LOST....and having DI idiots show up at Comic Con.
The Dharma Initiative LIVES! And this time they are bringin a big can of Ann Arbor whoop ass!
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I all could just be because of the big amount of time in 70's Dharma. But I've felt for a long time that Dharma was going to be coming back to talk back the island.
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i actually do think this is highly plausible. Children of Dharma like Charlotte who are drawn to the island for various reasons. Curious. Maybe they have all had experiments done on them or just living on the island has altered them in some way. i like it.
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Por quoi? I'm sad to say I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a little ashamed.
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Or connected to them significantly
This occured to me, as well, and the more I think on it the more I like it. This may allow for Hanso to finally gain more exposure.
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Excellent choices both.
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When young Locke chose the knife, what were Richard's exact lines (I remember the face he made, well enough) and what other items were there (I also remember that the compass was there, well enough).
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ARG that they did between season 4 & 5. It was the Dharma Octogon Global Recruiting online via the Dharma Special Access website...where Dharma was 'recruiting' us fans to be new members of the D.I.
You had to pass a series of 'odd' apptitude tests, and if you passed...you got your D.I. job placement...I received the level of "Construction"...not unlike Jack being given the job of "Workman". I even have a Certificate of Completion from the D.I. that is signed by Hans Van Eeghen, head of D.I. recruiting.
After the Comic Con Lost panel, where Hans showed up with an army of D.I. recruiters, trying to sign up Comic Con folks...Everyone who participated in the online testing got a hilarious email from Hans saying that "Due to budgetary contraints, the D.I. Recruitment plans have been disbanded"...and we were thanked for our interest and participation in the D.I...That he had been laid off by the D.I....and if anyone needed a luxury automobile in the Middle East, he said to feel free to contact him at his new job as a sales executive working on a car lot!
So...it was definitely NOT canon stuff...but it was Darlton's way of keeping the 'current' Dharma Initiative fresh in our minds...that there still IS a D.I. in 2007-09...even if it may be a lil financially strapped!
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I think I did read something about this (and that lostpedia link helps). Again, I am both surprised and ashamed I didn't know about this.
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RICHARD: I want you to look at these things... and think about 'em.
[He places some items on the table] Okay, now tell me, John, which of these things belong to you?
JOHN: To--to keep?
RICHARD: No, no, John. Which of these things belong to you already?
[John takes a vial of some kind of substance, a compass and after a pause, a knife.]
RICHARD: Are you sure the knife belongs to you, John? [John nods] You sure about that?
[sighs] Well, it doesn't. [Richard snatches the knife away]
WOMAN: How did he do?
RICHARD: I'm afraid John isn't quite ready for our school. I'm sorry I've wasted your time.
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WOMAN: What did you do?
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Just to add to Cheif's post, the other items besides the vial of (sand?), knife, and compass were an old Mystery Tales comic, a baseball glove, and an old book entitled "Book of Laws."
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Thanks for the help, there. Very appreciated.
Knowing what we know, now, one continues to wonder what the significance of all the items are (assuming that they all have significance). Some seem obvious.
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Apr 20, 2009 3:37:47 PM CDT
I dunno, GOB....Locke hadn't met Alpert yet at 9 years old...
by cheif brody
Alpert assumed lil John would immediately gravitate to their 'constant' item...the compass...But we know adult John showed a big fondness for knives, while working at the box company...and even ON the island, teaching Walt how to expertly throw a knife.
Obviously John was gravitating towards knives even as a young boy. I think Richard went there assuming Locke would recognize him somehow...and pick the compass...and if he had...he would have taken John off to 'school'.
I think John's 'incorrect' choice put doubt in Alpert's theory that he might on day be a great leader on the island. -
If John is confronted by someone out to harm him next season...back against the wall...person about to kill him (again!)...and just before the person pulls the trigger...a sickening 'thud' sound is heard...the person spins around to reveal a huge knife sticking out of his back...and as he falls to the floor...it is revealed...
That teenage Walt was standing there...having thrown the knife that killed the bad guy. And I don't mean ghosty, drippy wet, backwards talkin Walt...The REAL Walt.
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Yes, that is the "surface" read, yes... and by no means invalid... But I am wondering if there us an additional layer to it all.
As you said: 9 year old John had not met Richard, yet. Thus, that he would even select the compass at all suggests the the test had some sort of "weight of destiny" (it is also possible that Richard expects that 9 year old John already owns the compass, an odd assumption considering the Locke he met was not just grown, but old).
My thoughts are that not only did he not pick the compass (casting doubt) but the item that he did select had, maybe, a "bad omen" attached to it, as well, and really messed with Richard. I mean, given that all the other info that old Locke passed on that came true, I find it hard to buy that simply not knowing the compass was the whole test. Or maybe it was. -
"IS an additional layer to it all." I meant
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I'm not going to go back to read through all your posts leading up to this last one. However, judging from the last one it seems you don't understand why Richard was there in the first place, or maybe you simply forgot. Disregard this post if this has been covered but the compass was the only thing that did belong to Locke; everyhting else was insignificant. Locke visited Richard in the 50's handed him the compass, and told him that he was Richard's leader. Locke told Richard when and where he would be born so that Richard could jump off the Island and verify it. Richard went roughly ten years later to see Locke with all of the items in question includiong the compass that Locke possesed and gave to Richard earlier. Richard then asked Locke which item belonged to him knowing full well that the compass did. When little Locke chose the knife, Richard was visibly upset and stormed off. I think that all of the other items were just props thrown in to keep us guesing what Locke should have chosen. The issue was put to bed once we saw Locke go back in time and give the compass to Richard. The knife being chosen has no more significance than anything else John might have chosen. Richard didn't see it is a Revelation of war, he saw it as Locke failing the test, period. The writers have stated that Richard is the one who seeks out and finds the leaders of the Others. Perhaps waiting so long to finally meet the man as a child and test him, only to have him fail, stoked Richard into anger because the wrong people were in charge at that time. I think Richard sees the promise to come that is John Locke and is upset that he has to wait for him to literally fall out of the sky.
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Oh, I know/remember... I'm wondering if there is *more* going on there that will be revealed, eventually, that we are currently not aware of.
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Yeah, I realized that soon after my post went up. I was just too lazy to scroll back a little bit and read the conversation from the beginning. Sorry. Think about it though. Baseball glove significance: I can't think of any at all. Vial of sand, presumably from the Island: If that belonged to Locke, that would prove a time loop. The Island will eventually belong to Locke when he officially takes his role as leader of the Others. So, the sand could not have belonged to him yet. Knife: Again, time loop. Locke started hunting with his dad in his 30's. He became a hunter after that so the knife is of no use to him. Comic book: I guess there is a couple ways the comic book could be explained but Locke isn't fantastical, he's faithful. Which brings us to the Book of Laws: These are the books of the Bible that Moses wrote after Mount Sinai. Yes, Locke is a man of faith but he's not man of law. Maybe Richared chose it because a future leader would be compelled and drawn to it. I think too much has been read into these items. They were all wrong, the only correct choice was the compass because it truly already belonged to Locke. Richard may as well have thrown five compasses down and asked Locke to pick one. Maybe he chose items that he knew Locke would be drawn to later in life. Values and attributes that he knew already resided within Locke. Just to be sure, maybe he wanted to make it as difficult as possible for Locke to realize which item beloged to him.
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Taken at face value you are correct.
Consider that the compass... from what we have seen... never really belonged to Locke. He got it from Richard... Who got it from him... Who got it from, well, you see the loop there?
Also, as I said, the assumption that Locke at age 9 would have/recognize the compass he has in his 50's is a big one to hang this big momentous visit on (again though, not outside of LOST's occasional leaps of logic). -
Apr 20, 2009 4:36:22 PM CDT
To add to what Dance said with a possible theory
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Remember how Faraday told hatch Desmond to seek out his Mothers and at that moment 2007 Desmond woke up and remembered Faraday visiting him? Well I believe someone said that time isn't linear anymore, but all happening at the same time. What if Richard was hoping that if young Locke touched the compass that he would suddenly get a flash of and remember old Locke giving Richard the compass?
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Perhaps Richard doesn't understand the time travel principals of the Island. Or perhaps he does and there is a loop. I know what they've said, so please don't everybody jump on me for saying there may be a loop. If you stop to consider that Richard knew Locke would be dissapearing and travelling through time but also knew that he wouldn't go along with him, you have to wonder. If Richard understands the rules of time travel; then for him to think Locke would have recognized the compass PROVES a loop. Cuse, Abrams, and Lindelof have all stated their love for the Dark Tower which ended terribly. Lost is set up to possibly go in that direction and Richard's actions when visiting young John back that up. Now, Gob, I completely understand what you're saying about the significance of the other items. There is nothing YET to support the theory that any of them have great weight with Richard. I'm not saying that they don't and you're wrong, I'm saying that I personally don't agree that that do. That does bring up an interesting point though. To state it bascially: If Richard understands everything about the Island, his visit to Locke proves a loop. If there is no loop, than Richard doesn't understand the Island as much as we think he does. Right? Isn't that a logical statement considering Richard brought items that he into the past to be recognized by John as having been his in the future. That's a loop. The fact that John didn't pick the compass negates the idea of a loop. However, Richard was pissed that John didn't choose correctly. If Richard understandss the Island so much, how is this possible?
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I should have said that it is a big assumption unless you consider that Richard is accounting for some sort of "destiny" to be evident (and destiny is not new to the show), or at least sensed by young Locke even if the boy doesn't understand it.
While it is by no means a must, it is not to far fetched to theorize that's some (not "all" mind you, but "some") of the other items may have a "destiny" associated with them, of some sort. Even on the surface we know that the knife does for Locke. Maybe not that knife specifically, but knives in general. They are almost John's icon. If Richard even sees that, let alone sees an even greater significance, is debatable, of course.
But back to my point, if we accept that the test was not just "does the boy recognize the compass" but some sort of "destiny reading", as well (even if only for the benefit of the audience) then it is not far fetched to see some of the other items as having potential meanings (and some just there as "window dressing").
If (and not a very big "if") the test is related to tests given other potential leaders then I see it might also be away for Richard to see what kind of a leader this potential might be. A guide (compass), a judge (book of law), a warrior (knife) or who knows what.
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Very vaild...but we'll just have to wait and see what kind of 'tests' the Hostiles use to 'choose' their leaders. I think Richard's 'angry' reaction to Locke's failure has you looking for more significance to that scene than just "Hey, John...any of these thing remind you of ME?" type of thing. I remember watching that scene when it aired...and I just KNEW lil John would pick the knife...and I was somewhat surprised that his choice angered Alpert so much and was 'incorrect'. Perhaps there was more to those choices.
Speaking of lil Losties...Who wants to bet that we see another D.I. classroom scene soon...and the teacher calls upon lil Ilana...and Bram...and somebody else (TBA later)...to answer a question? And before 'the war' comes...The D.I. gets all the women (& pregnant women) & children OFF the island for their own safety.
Something cataclysmic happen during this war...which turns the island invisible to the outside world...AND brings on the fertility curse. So...the D.I. 'wins the war'...but loses all their childern...and future children in the process.
Oh...the other kid the D.I. teacher addressed?....
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No brother, I agree with Brody that your point was clear. I'm just of the opinion that Richard was only seeking out one truedecision by Locke and everything else would be a failure. If I went off on a couple of tangents and forced you to second guess your clarity and communication skills, I apologize. It's a testament to the depth and vision of this show that every single question opens up more questions to ponder and debate. That's all I was doing typing where my mnd was going.
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I hope your correct, but Im not holding my breath.
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A stewardess!
Ya notice how she completely seemed 'at home' back on the island every time we've seen her? Like she didn't have a care in the world looking at Kate & Sawyer in those bear cages.
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That scenes always stuck with me as something mind bogglingly important that we'll go back and watch multiple times and get multiple meanings out of it.
Here's another little twist on it: Say Alpert back in the 50's wasn't sold. Sure, this old dude walks into their camp, throws out Jacob's name and vanishes after a reasonably short conversation (and from what I recall of Jughead, Alpert didn't seem too fully convinced by Locke's talk). All in all, not that strange for the Island and what Richard's probably seen there. And unless he's got a really good poker face (and let's face it, most people on Lost do), he had no fucking idea that time travel was happening, let along possible at that point.
So he goes to see Locke get born, just like when he told him. Well, that's easy enough to fake. That old man who wandered into my camp's just messing with, Alpert thinks. I know what'll screw his little scheme up; I'll test him, Other Llama style with various items, and throw his compass in with the rest of the items I usually use. 'Cause if this is an earlier version of himself, he shouldn't know what it is yet. What if the knife was the right choice, and Alpert put the compass in there to try to prove this 'Locke' character was perpetrating a con?
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to start to correct. And for an otherwise pointless post. IGNORE ME!
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... I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Cindy was involved with Michael being manipulated into shooting Anna Lucia and Libby (in the same way that Ben tried to manipulate Juliette into killing Faraday and Charlotte when they were diffusing the poison gas machine). This is despite Mr. Friendly telling him something to the contrary. If Cindy's a true Other *and* if Libby was really a Widmore plant, it would all make sense. Well, everything except the part about Anna Lucia being shot. Of course, that could be a simple revenge on the part of Juliette. We never *did* find out the source of what looks to be the power to impose subliminal influences used by certain Others. A power that doesn't yet "look" to have been in effect during the 1970's...
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I think she's Dharma...all the way. Happy as a lark to be back home on the island...surrounded by children...just like her own childhood.
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Grand Galactic Inquisitor impersonation!
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And she is Australian (well moved to Australia when she was 2/3)
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from the Old Testament ala Moses and Mt. Sinai. It's the religious text of Baha'ism, which is kinda new agey and pluralistic/ecumenical in its inclusion of other faiths.
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Sorry, not trying to be a negative nancy, but whats all the recent interest in Cindy? She was in what.. 3 episodes for about 5 seconds each? I don't think that character is going to pan out to be anything interesting. Maybe I'm wrong.
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belonged to him unless there is some kinda reincarnation (canton-reiner on the van) timeloopy thing going on?
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Yeah, but if you look at the expression on Alpert's face when they are holding the new baby Locke in the maternity ward, he's smiling, with wonder, because Locke from 1954 was right. There's no way Locke could force someone 2 years ahead of time to name a baby John Locke and be born in that hospital on that day. Alperts face was one of pleasant surprise and satisfaction, not one of doubt or feeling like he's being conned. The next visit to the older Locke was part of the continuing process of ensuring Locke was their leader, not a restart from scratch.
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Richard's visit to Young Locke he also tried to recruit teenage Locke to "Mittlos science camp".
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When Jack was being held in one of the animal cages at the Hydra, he woke up to see Cindy standing with a group of strangers looking at him. He recognized her from the plane and asked her how she had ended up with the Others. Cindy told him it was "not that simple" and Jack became angry. He asked her what she was doing there and she said she was there "to watch". Emma whispered in Cindy's ear and Cindy said Emma wanted to know how Ana Lucia was doing. Jack, remembering Ana Lucia's tragic death, shouted that if she had something to watch that she should go watch it.
Cindy then led the group away from the cages. She later attended Juliet's trial...and also tried to comfort Locke when he was first awkwardly accepted into the Others before the time flashes began.
Any time a character says "It's not that simple" on LOST...makes me wonder...WHY is it 'not that simple'?
I just get the feeling, now that were back in the swingin '70's...we'll find out that Flight 815 wasn't Cindy's first time on the island. Not saying I ever want or need to see a Cindy flashback or 'centric' episode...but I think there's a good reason why the Other's kidnapped her all those episodes ago.
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Perhaps the Others had heard that flight attendants are wild in the sack.
On its not that simple front, maybe its just her being overly complicated like Kate and giving up Aaron. When Kate told Jack she didn't want to talk about it, we were all expecting something incredibly horrible/bad, hence the Kate ate Aaron jokes. But when we found out she gave him to his grandmother, it didn't match Kate's response, hence overreaction.
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I just can't make the leap from the rather bungling group thus-far portrayed as the Dharma Initiative, to this "shadow-conspiracy" group - I still believe they most likely work for JACOB - he's the one portrayed as a rather omnipotent all-knowing meddler while the DI is portrayed as... tragic...
I mean FFS they're a bunch of bureaucrats! It's one thing for Dr Shepherd to be cleaning toilets because that's what the paperwork says so, but as someone else pointed out, Juliet is STILL in the motorpool, right?
The Dharma Initiative is a JOKE, not some highly organised outfit with great resources and even better intel - just too much of a leap of faith for me...
As for the compass and who it actually belongs to.. yes time loops are a rather tricky territory! I believe the creators said they have gone for the "river" or "stream" theory, which is widely accepted by most (theoretical) physicists as how time travel would most likely work - if it were at all possible...
Think of a bunch of leaves floating on a river.
Most of those leaves are carried by the current from one end of the river to the other no problems - absolutely ordinary, garden variety, completely linear time as experienced by you and me. It is POSSIBLE however for some leaves to get caught in the occasional eddy and go around and around in a LOOP - perhaps even taking them upstream from where they started - and some of those leaves may get free of those eddies and continue down stream, although now separated from other leaves.
The point is that river itself has not changed.
No leaf ever opens up a new tributary or branch and no leaf ever slows down the current or reverses it or performs any other magical terraforming of the river... Whatever happens happens.
The problem is this idea has a nice little conservation of energy kinda vibe going on where no leaf can go back around and meet up with ITSELF - they can't take up the same space at the same time...
So (time travelling) old-man Locke is never going to tell child Locke what's what and prepare him for any test Richard might have in store for him. I think Richard's frustration with young Locke not knowing the answer to "which one is yours" is not unlike Bram's disappointment with young(er) Miles' not knowing the answer to "what lies in the shadow of the statue" - until you know the answer, you're not ready... -
How do you figure Dharma is a joke? We've only seen their field operation on the island (not their Ann Arbor headquarters) and it seems pretty organized and well financed for the 70's. They have enough money to build high tech underground hatches that tinker with electromagnetism and space-time. I'm sure that isn't cheap. And the DI is funded by the Hanso Foundation which has deep philanthropic pockets thanks to it's worldwide business operations.
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Totally see where you're coming from (and yeah, why the hell IS Juliet in the motorpool but Roger openly accepts her as a doctor? WTF?). But think of it this way...'till 2nd season, in our minds the Others were a bunch of jungle savages. I think Horace plays the part of bumbling leader very well, but when it really matters (ie: the council to execute Hostile Sayid or this last episode with Miles), he seems to have his shit right in order.
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at the end of Hoth...with some scientists from Ann Arbor...which included Faraday...Could we possibly be meeting the DeGroots finally in the next episode? God forbid, Alvar himself?
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I don't need a recap dammit!
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I don't need a recap dammit!
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Must be a "Echo" in here....
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like we'll see our favorite LOST characters from "a whole NEW perspective". I'm interested in what this new perspective might be....But I have a feeling there will be little or nothing that we core fans haven't already seen or surmised already...I think the new perspective will be helpful to people 'new' to LOST....But not for us idiots who spend all day in talkbacks pondering the show.
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That's my newest theory. They are Others, but not working for Ben. They are working for Richard, who, as someone said earlier, is displeased with the previous leaders of the others (Widdy, Ben, Locke), and now has decided to take matters into his own hands, declaring martial law, or becoming the steward of Gondor, so to speak, until the king returns.
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of course that Cindy is now the stewardess of Gondor. Thank you, I'll be here all week.
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To me it makes sense that they are Dharma just because of this past ARG with the whole reconstituted Dharma (I'm a card carrying member, are you?). I mean there had to be a reason for that regardless of whether the ARG itself was canon or not. It's a shame that got axed becasue of money issues. I can only imagine what Darlton had in store for us with that one.
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Very nice, Colonel.
They've gotta' get back to Cindy, and the kids (and I had just assumed everybody else in that crowd with them were the other 815ers who got 'taken' by the Others, the ones on their 'list'). Cheif, you mentioned her appearing at a couple times after her bear-cage talk w/Jack...I really don't remember those. Were they deleted scenes or do I just need to go back and rewatch some episodes?
And I don't know what it is, I really like Bram. I know he's basically only had two scenes, but I'm as suddenly invested in his character as I was with Locke and Lapidus (my other personal favorites on the show).
And PS(and sorry to go off topic): but thank god for you open, nice people in the Lost TB. Anybody read that article Harry put up about Emma Frost in the new Wolverine movie? I've been trying to wade through the shit being spewed over there because I'm a giant comic nerd and a 15-year X-Men Zombie and wanted to put in some input. Yeesh. Trolls are one thing, but some of that stuff's just terrible. -
But the last ARG very well could have always been planned to end that way....once they blew their wad a Comic Con...created a buzz, yada yada...their point was made...There IS a Dharma presence in the 'present' timeline.
I have a feeling the D.I. recruiting/volunteer assessment program was always suppose to be a one off.
It just differed from the previous LOST ARGs...in that...in the previous ones...we were following a fictional 'character' around trying to 'expose' Dharma...or Oceanic as frauds...and when the show returned to the air...both the characters in the ARG seemed to have to go 'back undercover' as they were getting 'too close' and felt their lives were threatened, etc.
I think with the recruitment one...they never HAD an ending planned out...I could just see Damon saying..."What if...at the end...we have Hans Van Eeghen send out a hilarious e-mail where he's been 'laid off' by Dharma...and is now working in a car lot in the Middle East somewhere"? That screams of Lindeloff.
But the point was made. Dharma lives. I completely agree that it may be too late to bring in yet a 3rd outside party interested in controlling the island. This season has been all about the Hostiles vs Dharma...I think Dharma will win the first round...(in the Season Finale) at a great cost....we know the Hotiles/Others retaliated successfully in 1992 with the Purge....I think they are merely setting us up for an Epic "Round 3" showdown. -
... just remembered that this week is only a re-cap show. Fuck. FUCK!
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I'm gonna turn it and skip ahead a week.
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Yeah I read the begining of that Wolverine talkback. I kind of thought the Harry bashing funny, but only choose to read about ten comments. I am a big X-Men fan fain88. What do you read? I also like the Frank Miller Daredevil and the 80's GI Joe comics.
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Charlie's a mutant in it.
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Ahh, Larry Hama G.I. Joe; good stuff. I'm mildly obsessed with comics (I only own, oh, 12,000 books or so), and I'm open to just about anything. X-Men was always my favorite, because they sunk in with me due to the 'outsider' parallel the mutants had with real life minorities (being an ostricized 'nerd', but the theme can apply to just about any major minority, be they black, gay, nerd or what have you), plus the fact multiple books could have a shared continuity and live in their own little pocket universe of the MU. I LOVE continuity!!
And hells yes Chawlie's in the movie! He's freakin' Barnell 'Beak' Bohusk! (well, Blackwing, but same-same) Maybe it's the li'l fanboy in me but I'm super-psyched to see it; mostly, just the fact they seem to be putting in as many familiar mutant faces as possible. If it's not good, it's not good (I've heard both positive and negative feedback for it, though). But I get to see Ryan Reynolds play Deadpool, by God, and that's enough for me!
And totally with you on the Harry bashing...it was just the uncouth, sophmoric way some of those guys go about it. Makes me cringe. -
according to the test I'm a carpenter for the D.I.!
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I had no idea! What's it about? Lol! (I hope all the effects are in place when it comes out!)...
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Yeah I always loved the outcast aspect of X-Men. I collected in High School before 300 when they became the Blue & Gold teams. I stopped for a few years but then started reading graphic Novel X-Men collections. Only thing that buggs me lately is the way that Cyclops treats Xavier. I know thatXavier did some bad things with hiding the 3rd Summers and the death of that team, but Im kind of angry at Cyclops for having that affair with Emma Frost and letting Jean Grey die. There was a lot of stuff before House of M that I didn't like, but its really coming around with The Shahar War and Messiah Complex, etc.
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I can't remember that character, when was he?
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Personally I was raised on the Blue & Gold 90s stuff (X-Cutioner's Song, etc), so that's what's nearest to my heart, but I'm the first to defend old-school Claremont as well(although going back and reading ANY of that stuff today, it comes off as...well, it comes off as going back and watching the old Thundercats or G.I. Joe cartoons today; ah, the rose-colored glasses of youth). And yeah, the character of Cyke's always been weird for me too; just a bit too hypocritical for his own good.
'Beak' was a student introduced in Morrison's New X-Men, who eventually got depowered in M-Day but later joined up with Jubilee & friends in the newest incarnation of the New Warriors, who were all de-powered mutants with stolen super-hero tech to simulate super powers. His new codename was 'Blackwing', which I think is what they're going with in the movie. -
Im watching Exodus part 2 to find clips for Ed to make a video and its amazing how many opposettes there are. Besides Boone dying when Aaron was born and the Black & White stones, in Exodus Aaron is freed from being kidnapped at the same moment that Walt was kidnapped.
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Yeah I knew about Morrisons Beak, didn't know about New Warriors though. A lot of people seem to not like the 90's stuff but I did. I heard that in the Cable book they are bringing back Stryfe. I agree with you about the Claremont stuff. I love the very old stuff like Phoenix Saga, but there just way to much talking about what they are doing like constantly reminding us that Cyclops has force beams that come out of his eyes but he must wear his ruby red glasses to control them, etc.
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if, as some people suggest, the DI being portrayed as a joke is just a clever rouse.. well I guess I can reconcile that...
sure they may be well financed and organised "for the 70's" - but that's not saying much... I seem to recall a rather well financed / organised military operation based around certain jungles in that part of the world in the 70's - which was totally OWNED by a bunch of guys in black pyjamas
sure they have enough money to pay for the construction of some underground bunkers with home computers in them - no question they have money - they built shit pretty good. Except maybe they didn't build it. The tinkering with electromagnetism and space-time didn't really seem to work out so well, so I'd have to say that lends more weight to the "bungling" idea.
Speaking of construction, I think I mentioned before that according to the ARG that construction was basically outsourced to WIDMORE CONSTRUCTION and PAIK HEAVY INDUSTRIES - now should that be considered canon? Coz, you know, The Wid was busy LEADING THE OTHERS when all that construction was going on... so... what gives? -
But It didn't have to be CHARLES Widmore Construction...It could have been HUMPHREY Widmore...his Dad's business. (BTW...Humphrey is completely made up...and NOT canon!!)
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Widmore could have started his buisness during his trips off island between the 50's & 70's and his company contracted with Dharma to build the stations. Which works into the theory that Dharma & the Others are actually one and the same.
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Keep reading to find out: the episode where we learn why Hurley boarded the plane (and brought whatever's in the guitar case--its NOT a guitar) is the season finale. He announced it today on the Bonnie Hunt show.
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question is what does he know about these Shadow people?
we always assumed The Economist was The Wid and all those people Ben sent Sayid to "take care of" were his - but what if they weren't? What if they were Shadow people? Jacob's people? Others?
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I didn't see anyone wearing "Widmore Construction" uniforms at either the Swan or the Orchid building sites. Would Widmore's people be forced to wear Dharma onesies on the job?
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"Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."
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"Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."
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the right statement is : « If there's more than one way to do a job, and one of those ways will result in disaster, then somebody will do it that way. » It's also called Lenz-Faraday's law.
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harry is freaking stupid overall in his rant. he knows coimics are always changing. i quit collecting in the late 90's crap speculation craze. it was to me and always will be about the characters and story not foil enhanced, chromiuium covers and trading cards. anyway, harry should know that they have to keep the story evolving. so just fact check before u rant. i didnt read them all but i can quess what they said--and harry deserved it sorry.
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just curious. because i grew up on comics since i was like 4. i have spider man #28 i think. i take my little girl to my local bookstore and casually keep up with the new releases. frank miller is a HACK now. it boggles my mind how much hes fallen. i read TDKR sequel and it was horrible. never liked claremonts stuff overall- just alot of word ballons lol ( and i love reading!). his NEXT MEN were uhhh like the X MEN lol. early Miller and Alan Moore were great. Ronin- Swamp Thing- DD- Miracle Man- awesome. Shooter's Valiant company was good in teh beginning-- XO Manowar- Unity- very good. man, i could go on and on. OVERALL-- just curious about u guys-- sounds like we all ahve alot in common.
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Apr 21, 2009 9:52:04 PM CDT
now im going to get back to watching The Real Housewives Of NY
by jay2517
ON BRAVO!U KNOW U WATCH IT BITCHES!!!!
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Pretty good episode overall. I like the writers using their tried-and-true Flashback format again and Miles had a pretty interesting back story. Although I still can't decide what I think about this whole Dharma narrative we have in the second half of this season. Its a nice change to have the group part of a larger group but there is a little bit of magic gone that was there in earlier seasons. I think that inevitably happens when the plots get too complicated, but I miss the mysterious tone the show used to have. I'm still a big fan of the show and very much enjoyed the first half of the season - however I'm still not sold yet on this Dharma story being stretched for as long as it has. Can't wait for next week's "The Variable" - the title alone has my mind racing with possibilties.
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and would no doubt go through the submarine/orientation procedures like everyone else - I know plenty of contractors who have to wear different uniforms, depending on who they're subcontracting to on the day - and go through all their clients' induction procedures, including those imposed on their clients due to site restrictions - again the question is, the Widmore Construction/Paik Heavy Industries angle is from the ARG so maybe not necessarily canon?
and yes absolutely, the other part of that Wid/Paik connection is Mr Hanso - so maybe he DID turn up on that sub! -
I can't see Herc putting up a talkback for a recap ep/clipshow...
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Darlton has stated that the show and the podcasts are cannon and that the ARGs and the video game is not cannon.
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that would be BEFORE he turned up last week on the sub, right?
chronologically, I mean...
as in - by the time Faraday has arrived (back) on the island on the sub, they have already discovered the FDW and are building the Hatch around it - right?
so when we saw Faraday bumping into Chang back in E01, that was EARLIER, maybe not long after "Lafleur" & co were brought into the fold..
I'm sure next week will have some sort of flashback shedding some light on the matter; I'm just a bit impatient sometimes; ok most of the time; pretty much all the time; is it next week yet?? -
Im 33 years old. Im currently reading the Essential X-Men Trade Paperbacks around the time of the Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants. Great stuff. I also enjoy the 90's stuff. and the current stuff. I just don't like the stuf from about 3 years ago like the Morrison run and the uncanney stories that ran about the same time. Don't get me wrong Morrison is a good writer like liked the destroying of Genosha, I just didn't like how they ruined Cyclops and how there were to many mutants before House of M. M was a really good move on Marvels part.
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shame - I quite like the idea of The Wid playing both sides like that - although that paints him as more of a Bad Guy and I've been maintaining for a long time, now, that he's "one of the Good Guys" - as opposed to Ben who is not, no matter how much he says it...
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read maybe three comics in those 35 years - one of those was (the) Watchmen ("graphic novel") a friend lent me about 15 years ago - I can appreciate them as an art form, just never got into em
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it goes back to my harry arguement. if ur a true comic fan, IMO, u ALWAYS keep up with it. they always have to keep the story different ie they always have to reinvent things. i may like some and i may not. its like if LOST was a comic book--- it would have to keep changing due to having to keep SOMEKIND of fanbase. but, i dont think we have rose colored glasses really-- the 80's and SOME 90's were GREAT. FUCK IMAGE NOW( im a McFarlane and Image fan too )!! AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON LIEFELD!!!!!!!!!!!
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it gets the "imangaitive" juices in ur brain going. thats what i love about comics, King and Arthur C. Clarke. it makes u think about how and y the characters do things and WHY and HOW U would do it different. its always been better than movies because U can IMAGINE ANYTHING. no special effects required-- just a couch and a lamp.
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Like they do with Smallville & Fringe
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i keed i keed!
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He was drawing some kid a picture and talking about how great he was. I just had to laugh to myself.
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just challenge to draw an actual BACKGROUND or some fucking FEET????? i mean really...
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u know the shaft of the arrow?? guess he didnt want to confuse his new readers...
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thats not plagerism lol
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But I heard that he was a real jerk over at Image
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like he complained about at Marvel. pot meet kettle...
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SO are you an artist or just admire comics?
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and even the fans are bashing the show!
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yep and Heroes is BAD....
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I do freelance when I can. But im trying to get into an Animation studio. Its a tough nut to crack. In the mean time Im a stay-at-home Dad of 2 boys. I do the Lost designs at Room 23. This is my portfolio. http://paulburrows.carbonmade.com/
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Cable gets knocked out and Hope just found an underground bunker that looks like the outside of the Swan Hatch!
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Cable gets knocked out and Hope just found an underground bunker that looks like the outside of the Swan Hatch!
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me and a friend of mine were going to create somethings. i was going to write and ink his work. he was really good. he could draw ANYTHING CORRECTLY. i mean art and anatomically school perfect. i was more of a "i can look at it" and draw it perfectly. hence, me inking lol. hey i got some good stories in my head ( dont we all lol ) we need to spitball some ideas if u want...
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Reading the Y The last man TPB collections at the moment, after seeing it refernced in Lost. The Lost guys should get a commission.
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you're working on? Hmmmm? Got a a big, uh, big stack of papers there? Got a, got a nice litte story you're working on there? Your big graphic novel you've been working on for three years? Huh? Got a, got a compelling protagonist? Yeah? Got a obstacle for him to overcome? Huh? Got a story brewing there? Working on, working on that for quite some time? Huh? Yeah, talking about that three years ago. Been working on that the whole time? Nice little narrative? Beginning, middle, and end? Some friends become enemies, some enemies become friends? At the end your main character is richer from the experience? Yeah? Yeah? No, no, you deserve some time off!
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First, I can't wait for the upcoming Youngblood movie to be directed by The Ratman, Brett Ratner! I hope Liefeld can be the Art Director of the movie. Second, Liefeld is going to take over the drawing and writing duties of your favorite comic book. I don't care what comic it is, next month you will see one of his expertly drawn covers, and inside you will see his unrealistic art EXPLODE off the page! I can't wait for that too, because my current favorite comic book is Wolverine: Origins.
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there are A LOT of idiots out there! How anyone can describe this episode as filler is beyond me. These are the same people that throw around phrases like "lazy writing" and "bad storytelling" when they obviously don't know what either means. They apparently don't know what "character development" means either, because this episode had lots of it, and it was beautifully handled. Great episode, no less. A terrific ambience of "storm clouds gathering", and you just know the shit's really gonna hit the fan soon. And while I was initally sceptical to chang being Miles' father (I just can't get why everyone has to be related/connected to someone in the past/future), it was handled well, so I completely bought it. Ken Leung did some pretty subtle acting there, and they managed to evoke tons of feeling out of relatively downplayed and small moments of bonding between chang sr. and jr. Some predictions: *Doc Jensen mentioned the look on Hurley's face when he saw the hatch and predicted something was up. I completely agree. Hurley will try to destroy the hatch, in an attempt to change the future and prevent 815 from crashing. This will of course backfire, and Hurley's meddling will cause the incident which in time will cause the 815 to crash. Grumpy Pierre Chang will get his redemption when we see the reason for why he "left" his wife and daughter. He did it to protect them. We have already seen he has knowledge of the future and the fate of Dharma, so he sends his wife and child away, so they will not die. Whether Miles' mother knows Pierre's true reason for "abandoning" them I don't know. Maybe she knew and didn't tell Miles to protect him. Or maybe she didn't know and was mad at her husband. Ok, maybe not the most revolutionary theories, but most of my thoughts had already been said earlier.
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Y was written by Brian K. Vaughn, one of the current writers on the show. Glad that appearance got peeps to read it; it's literally one of the best comics I've ever read. Liking it so far?
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Ha, jk man (I assume everyone here's at least seen Chasing Amy). I'm 27 m'self...am I the baby? I'm so not used to that. Been reading comics since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. So...as long as I can remember.
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I just started reading Y: The Last Man as well. I only just started Volume 2 though. V.2 is already better than the 1st after just one chapter so I hope that's a sign of good things to come. The Amazons crack me up.
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Reading the 5th TPB at the moment, havent read a lot of comics for the last 5 years, thoroughly enjoying this one.
Some network (hopefully HBO)should be producing this, a fixed 3 year run of 12 episodes a season would be perfect.
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I'm so happy when people discover good comics. And it's just uphill from there, Hobo; those Amazons can be some CRAZY ladies.
MM, I've heard DJ Caruso (of Disturbia and Eagle Eye fame) REEELLY wants to make, not one, not two, but a trilogy of movies that include essentiall everything from the books. And Shia is just as psyched about it to play Yorick (which I could actually see). Enjoy, gents; it's a good read from beginning to end. -
You need a quality show once Lost is finished ABC, hint, hint. Some of the Lost writers etc will need some work, and you already have seen Brian K Vaughn doing some great work for your network.
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Hasn't ended yet, so I can't say it's as good as Y, but so far...well, you read the first issue, get to the last page, and lemme know what you think. That was the point I said, "I will read this book as long as it comes out." Actually, I think they might be re-releasing the 1st issue at a reduced cost soon (DC's got this whole 'After Watchmen - What's Next?' initiative going, where they're trying to guide new comic readers who picked up the Watchmen trade...I know Y is one of them...)
And agreed on needing another 'Lost' after next year. I've always been hoping for someone to realize Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series would make an AMAZING cable show, each book a different season. -
How about King's The Dark Tower?
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don't listen to Chief he gets grumpy every once in awile. I know what its like to be working on a project for a long time. I've had 2 children's book ideas running through my head for ten years now. I'd be happy to work with you on a project. I just have to warn you that my life is hectic so it might take awile.
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I'm not sure what the general consensus is for Brian K. Vaughn as a television writer, but I think his work on LOST has been some of his poorest to date, in any field. His dialogue is unrealistic and he spells too much out for the viewer. In season five, we've seen him turn moments that could have been subtle and discreet into black and white text. I much prefer his work on Y to anything he has done on LOST, and I have faith that he could turn it into a successful television show. His style is more apt to the storytelling of Y than it is to LOST.
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Now....Stewart Gilligan Griffin...He's the grumpy one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_EUrgRrfNo
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I've enjoyed his episodes, but then again I love everything Lost. I read Y for awile, but dropped it when the main guy got kidnapped by that woman who tied him to her bed and wanted him to impregnate her. Got busy after that.
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I didn't think they could show that kinda stuff in comics!!
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I've liked Vaughan's work on Lost for the most part. Although Dead is Dead and Meet Kevin Johnson were two weaker efforts by him I have to say (But I blame Elizabeth Sarnoff for those. Talk about dead weight). But I loved Catch-22, The Little Prince, Namaste, Confirmed Dead, and especially The Shape of Things to Come. Although Drew Goddard I think probably deserves more credit than anyone for those last two. Goddard and Horowitz are probably the two most talented writers on the show after Darlton. When Goddard and Vaughn team up great shit happens.
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Hmmm...I could kind of see that... I guess. I do like Caruso though. Eagle Eye kicked a lot of ass.
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with projects and stuff, smarty pants
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I just finished Y: The Last Man last week and I was blown away. I hadn't read comics regularly since 8th grade and now I'm looking for something else to get into. Any suggestions?
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Hopefully will be finally freed up to sign up over at Heroes, where they can stretch out a bit. Lost has just become Groundhog's Day meets Gilligan's Island - not much room for the writers to really push the limits of the viewers intelligence. Heroes is always an intellectual challenge - if one gets lazy watching it and overlooks even the smallest detail, the show will suddenly seem to go over the viewer's head. Generally every episode has to watched at least twice. Lost seems to hold back its writers by having them spoonfeed everything to its audience.
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Whatever their spoon feeding me...I want MORE!
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Wishing my fellow femme fatale Lostie the bestest of birthdays!
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THANK you! I thought Eagle Eye was spectacular; anyone I talk to about it said it was 'so-so' at best. Great film.
And I'd always thought of Brekin Meyer (sp?) for Yorick, but the more I think about it Shia could do a good job.
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Just watched the pilot for Fringe. It was fair, but the writing is definitely not on par with Lost. Does it get better? Is it worth watching? Does Pacey Jackson's acting improve, and does he get less annoying?
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Yes, it gets better and I think worth watching. Pacey Peter gets better...then worse...then better...it's the writing, for the most part; they have trouble sometimes incorporating all the characters in meaningful ways. Last couple eps since the break were great, and last night's ramped up for the big 'show mythology' arc...it just lacked a little motivation and urgency. I'm definately sticking with it and do endorse it.
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I have loved Fringe, Last nights episode was great!
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Extra fish biscuits for you today!!
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Hope its a great one!
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MEANT for that to happen!
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Im not sure where your coming from about Heroes I've only seen one episode so Im not an expert, but from my visit to that talkback even the strong fans feel that show majorly sucks.
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He is probably majorly disappointed that everyone in the Heroes TB is bashing the show unmercifully...and this TB back in the Top 10 list...so he stopped in here to drop his 2 worthless cents.
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Oh, there's so many (glad you like Y, by the by; ending was RIDICULOUSLY amazing, right? Exactly what I didn't know I wanted, y'know?). Mostly any DC/Vertigo stuff should be up your alley if you liked Y; Ex Machina was mentioned a little earlier, and it's by the same writer. Sandman and Watchmen are classics, Preacher if you're into a little of the ole' ultra violence, The Invisibles if you want an acid-ey mind fuck of a book. Powers, by Brian Bendis, and some of his old Crime Noir stuff's great too (Goldfish, Torso); Criminal and Incognito are good current Noir style books, too. And that's just the non-spandex supercapes stuff.
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and it's really sad. But this show sucks indeed. I don't understand how a fourth season has been ordered. Mister Kring really shall go fuck himself with a chainsaw.
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thanks 4we. i know he gets a little menstrated every now and then lol. i was just talking about a couple of friends that were really talented. we were supposed to do some things together but never did. one had just stated a family and one went to school. that was in '94-'96. i played alot of sports growing up so there were'nt alot of "AICN" type people in my town to talk comics and such. so its cool to talk about some ideas in this forum. SO EXCUUUUSSEEE ME LOL!!! if u piss me off CB i WILL post spoilers LOL. like who they just CAST AS.....lol
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That movie gets its so-so status (especially by TBers here) because of the unwarranted and vitriolic disgust of Shia. Personalyl I was not more riveted by a film all of last year. It even cracked my Top Ten and I'm a pretty harsh critic.
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i havent watched it yet BUT could u not see the "surprise" ending coming? i mean they gave it away i thought. it looks really good and shia's not too bad really. havent seen KOTCS but all the movies i have seen him in were pretty decent.
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To what surprise ending are you referring? And Shia is actually a fairly talented comedic actor but he needs to work on his range a bit more. KOTCS is probably his weakest effort but you can blame The Beards for that one I suspect.
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Lol!!
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If you are referring to the fact that a machine is behind everything then that's not really a surprise ending. You find out it's a machine about halfway through the movie. It's not really meant to be a big shocker IMO. Regardless, I enjoyed it immensely.
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the way they were talking up the "surprise" ending YOU WONT SEE COMING! i told my friend- i bet its AI....
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I've read the first two Powers books and read Watchmen numerous times. I've got the first 100 Bullets trade. Is that one worth continuing?
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That's the marketing. I'm convinced that these studios have NO CLUE as to how to promote their movies/shows. It's kind of a joke how often they get it wrong. They don't care if it's the wrong audience as long as there IS an audience. Producers and directors must be immensely frustrated by it. They did the same thing the first few seasons of Lost. Every episode was promoted as having "ALL ANSWERS REVEALED!!!"
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Yes, it most certainly was amazing. Great way to end it all. Only the good kind of loose ends (355's real name, Alter's eventual fate, etc.).
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if u watch carefully in most of the trailers now u see the ending in some capacity. like in The Departed or The Hulk to name a few. just put in some basic action shots not shots from the end of the movie.
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Warner Bros animation is horrible also in promoting their stuff. Iron Giant was an awsome movie with a lot of heart & depth, but you wouldn't know that watching the trailers.
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They gave away the big scene of him jumping off that high pipe into the water. I wonder how M Knight kept advertising people from putting "I see Dead people" and Samuel L Jackson is the bad guy out of the trailers.
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and BTW-- nice work!! thanks for the link. i look forward to working with u too.
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Apr 22, 2009 4:37:38 PM CDT
Im rewatching a scene from the "Hunting Party" episode
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Man Tom was awsome before they de-breaded himself. I love the don't cross the line scene!
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"I see dead people" was in EVERY 6th Sense promo before that movie came out! It was one of the major draws to the film!
http://tinyurl.com/dxnm54
Some directors have editorial control over how much info is given away in the trailers...and have a "go/no go" clause in their contracts on promotional materials for their films.
But not even an idiot promo editor would be dumb enough to reveal (SPOILER ALERT) that Bruce Willis is dead throughout The Sixth Sense....and certainly both Touchstone AND M. Night would NEVER let a trailer like that hit the masses...as it would directly affect the movie's box office returns. -
Pa and Cheif and my best partner in crime, Fishy! I've had a great day and it's only marred by NO NEW LOST tonight like Cheif got for "his" birthday. :( Have a good recap tonight. And thank you again my best buds.
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http://tinyurl.com/cznoly my question was combined with the others on the influences
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Theres the part where Sayid & Hurley are on the beach trying to get music from the radio and Sayid says that the signal could be coming from anywhere and Hurley says from any time even. I know that its a strech, but that could be a very early hint of time travel.
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... knowing how so many organizations are run, the main problem with many studio promotion arms is likely tied to staffing. It's one thing to have a staff of people who have talent. It's another thing to have a system that allows you to consistently give movies marketing and advertising teams that are passionate about the film itself. Any of these people with a year of experience under their belt can, say, assemble a trailer with some clips, animate some esoteric Macintosh fonts, and weave an Immediate Music sound file into the track. When a team is truly passionate about promoting a project, however, I would imagine that it normally shines through. In those instances, I'd like to think that movie endings get ruined by the trailer. Of course, when one considers how many directors are kept away from their "dream" projects, one can only image that playing out in other areas of a production, as well.
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Apr 22, 2009 8:58:38 PM CDT
a little birthday love from Desmond/Spock to Barfydog
by redfishbluefish
http://www.trekyourself.com/?mId=29972596.3
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The recap brought up two points. we have already talked about how Locke never told Jack Ben was off the island, but I have just noticed the flashforwards gave the impression Jack had been flying on weekends for a long time. He could not really have since the redid not appear to be much time elapsed from Jack seeing him in the hospital and his funeral. was there any indication Locke spent weeks between talking to Jack and deciding to kill himself? I missed it if so.
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Yes, "Confirmed Dead" and "The Shape of Things to Come" are fantastic episodes. Forgot Vaughn had a part in those two. Still, his S5 work has been less than stellar.
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That's. Freaking. Awesome. Thank you for that sir; you made the pain of a recap-Lost night a little more enjoyable.
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nice find. i like it.
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andbeforeit'stoolate HAPPY B-DAY Barfydog!
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Think you forgot another..."or her"?
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Think you forgot another..."or her"?
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Oh...thanks for TRYING to keep the sex of the character who dies a secret. Narrows it down quite a bit though.
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I noticed that right after I hit post sorry.
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But the lack of the word SPOILER anywhere on your post didn't help either.
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guess Bernard as the Major character death.
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Apr 22, 2009 10:54:52 PM CDT
Actually Phil is a pretty major character right now
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BE: Will we ever find out why Libby was in the mental institution and if she knew Hurley pre-island?
CC: No, we feel like we resolved Libby’s fate, and for the fans that are still obsessing about Libby, maybe at some point someone will write sort of a “Star Wars”-like novel about the story of Libby, but we don’t consider that to be a major story thread for us. -
http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/2009/04/i-know-who-dies-in-finale.html
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Apr 23, 2009 12:01:35 AM CDT
I just found out that the finale is Swing centric!
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/2009/04/my-reviews-someone-lost-sloth.html
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http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/2009/04/i-know-what-incident-is.html
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Are we discussing spoilers? Bc if we are, I don't wanna be here.
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If you want to look at spoilers go to the Spoiler page of Room 23.
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which is more of a parady blog, no Spoilers
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I assumed that Jack felt a compulsion to fly long before he even met Locke again. He had been struggling with his inner demons for quite a while, and it was not necessarily a conscious goal to return to the island via flying/crashing. At least not until he met Locke. Its been a long time since I saw those episodes, and I'm just taking it from memory now, so there may very well be something I'm misremembering?
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Welcome back to Hoth, everyone. It may be cold...but it keeps the trolls away! I'll be residing HERE until the next episode talkback. I will NOT be returning to the 'Showrunners' talkback again...even AFTER it drops off the Top 10...and I won't be joining the NEW Lost talkback on Wednesday til it falls out of the Top 10.
Until then, I'll be checking back here to talk about LOST in a less 'hostile' environment. Namaste! -
Apr 24, 2009 9:56:03 PM CDT
Yeah Im definately not going back to read whatever mean stuff
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
they said about me after I left. Im fine here until the new one pops up. And I was thinking for awile of maybe switching back to paburrows. This would be a good time to do that so that hopefully the Trolls don't recognize me and I'll just keep e-mailing blog up-date until it drops off the top ten.
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I just dropped a pretty obvious hint in the "Showrunners" talkback as to where people could find me. If people show up...cool...if not...cool. I believe I e-mailed anyone I really care about.
You may wanna change yer name...but I think a lot of the idiots know we sometimes call you "Pa"...and they'll figure out who you are pretty quick...and one MENTION of Room 23 will DEFINITELY clue them in. May as well change your name to http:// lostroom23 . blogspot! Why not just change it to LostRoom23...then everytime they address you...THEY are promoting the blog!! Lol!
I dunno, pa...either way I think they'll know.
If you do change yer TB name...shoot us an e-mail and let us know. Have you talked with Ed and the rest of the gang yet? -
Apr 25, 2009 12:03:08 AM CDT
I spoke with Bilbo, Red & Barfy earyer today
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at chat, but forgot to mention coming here.
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but we have to be on at the same time. one the main page below the buttons, poll & blog postings list I added a live chat option and I would like you guys to test it out to see if its something that 1 works and 2 something that might be useful. I put one on spoilers also to give those who want to discuss spoilers a place away from those who don't.
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Sorry if i was a little venemous in the Showrunners TB about you dropping that bomb. The funny thing is, I was going to jump to your defense once I got to the bottom of the comments, but that changed quickly. Anyway, I've never gone to the chat during the show but I have checked out your site and it's pretty impressive as far as a built by and for fan site. The reason I'm mentioning this is because i wanted you to know that it wasn't for a lack of invitation that kept me away, I just try to stay 100% spoiler free and temptation usually gets the best of me. Sometimes it's better just to stay away from sites where the answers and secrets are just a click away. There has been a lot of talk about a fraternity-like atmosphere amongst you guys who have been here from the beginning. While I haven't seen it, (I've only posted probably 100 times since the show's inception and you guys almost always respond to me) it would be only natural if the few whose posts have never ceased in the last five years did form a unit. Why am I saying all this? Because the same people who cry that you ignore their posts are most likely the people who complain that you tout your site non stop. What has been missed here is that you and Cheif are always INVITING EVERYONE to your site, Not only that, you're inviting everyone to contribute to it as well. It's all inclusive and accessible to anyone, even the fucking trolls. So hey, I apologize for yelling at you and I say link the fucking site even more now, fuck em'
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AND FUCK TROLLS
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Climb on in the Taun Taun...It's nice and warm in here.
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Apr 25, 2009 1:10:48 PM CDT
To Jay & Dance & anyone else that I might have ruined things
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This is what I sent out to all of the Room 23 people as soon as I made my mistake. I would have sent it to both of you and to fain, but didn't have your e-mails. And I didn't want to stick around the showrunners talkback after my mistake because I figured then everyone was jumping on me. So here it is. I know that I can't take it back (I wish I could) but at least I can say sorry.
(E-Mail) "I wanted to to apologize to you all for something that I just now did over at the talkbacks and warn you all to stay away for awhile. There were a number of trolls over there bashing Room 23 blog and one of them went so far as to reveal a major spoiler. So I spent the day yesterday trying to talk to him about not revealing spoilers there. Then he and others called me pretentious and started saying that he had just been speculating, when before he had said that it was a spoiler. We'll I got angry and started acting in a way that I normally don't act. And suffice to say I stupidly confirmed that it was a spoiler and now they are saying that I'm the one that revealed it.
Ether way I am at fault for my actions. Regardless of what the troll said or did I hold myself responsible for my actions and I deeply apologize. I'm sorry if anything that I did ruined anything for you (Node in particular) and I advise that if any of you have not been over to the Talkback that you stay away until the episode. I plan on staying away at least until the trolls leave. I will keep Room 23 running in the mean time so feel free free to keep visiting. Again Im sorry if any of my actions have ruined anything for you all."
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and Pa I glad to find you here (and the others). That's alright, I mean there's a lot of surprises to come on the show, it didn't jeopardize the finale. Don't worry.
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Charlie's warning!!
http://tinyurl.com/c8v2xu
See TMZ's full report at...you guessed it:
http://lostroom23.blogspot
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I was always aware that it was a troll that spilled the beans and the only part you played was a momentary lapse of reason in confirming the source which in part confirmed the spoiler. Spoilers get thrown up all the time, inadvertently quite a bit as well. Usually when someone gets called out for spoling with no warning they respond with an insult and blaming all who read it for having the audacity to be online in the first place. You however, have dealt with it like a man. You apologized, took full responsibility even though you weren't fully responsible, and you seem generally contrite. For that, I and I think everybody else as well, thank you. It's water under the bridge, my good man. BTW, it's kind of nice and quiet in here, just pop in a couple times a day and not have to read an hour of complete and utter nonsense to find a few good posts worth reading and/or responding to.
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it's pretty darned cozy in here.
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Yeah thats how it is during the June to January break. Just those who are serious about hanging out and discussing Lost with a few enjoyable detours from time to time.
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I leave for a couple days and all fucking HELL breaks loose! And I thought I calmed that little asshole down 'horse whisperer' style...
Hey all. Pa, that was some dirty pool that jerk played on you, turning that situation around. But I guess that's trolls for ya'; sorry I was one of the feeders in the first place. And sorry again for the 'holier than thou' knock.
Bad news for Dez, CB...but not as bad for Maude. Bea Aruther passed. Very sad. I will be watching Golden Girls all weekend now. -
Im greatful to you for the times that you stood up for me.
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viggo mortenson is roland!
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I knew that It wasn't worth my time anymore and wanted to warn people from going there that I could.
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I just read about that. Two Golden Girls in a row practically. Sad.
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I really don't know much about the finale or next season. What are your thoughts about them? What is "The Fork In The Wall"?
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Too sad...Bea was the goods. Welcome back folks...we gotta be careful tho...we just cracked the Top 10 again...the trolls will be coming.
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Hurley was eyeing the numbers on the swan so it could be him trying to sabatodge it. Or Jack could stop just letting things happen and start trying to influence things. My guess is that Season 6 will be about the war (Duh) but also about how and why Jacob and/or the island and/or the Smoke Monster take your pick influenced all of these people to come to the island and why. We will finally get to see the inside of the temple. Also I think that since its always been about the issues that the castaways have had with their parents, it will switch for some to revolve around the relationship between the castaways and their children since so many have been popped out lately. The Black & White theme will pop up again also. What are your ideas?
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go back and read my post defending u brotha. the FUCK tried to turn it around and THEN started crying racist crap about the writers! we both knew he went to dark ufo and then posted that crap. im like u i go to the spoiler sites but i dont say anything. he then said that "how do u know im not making it up"?? we BOTH know he wasnt. im with u broheim.....
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was that not the best Office uve seen to date???? i mean i thought M. Scott was going to FUCK it up but NO!!! he came through. hive of bees-- the queen-- the great beet mystery-- and of course NO, YOU'RE DONE!!! CLASSIC!! man, that actually made me happy thursday. sorry to get off topic everybody. just picking with fain88.
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SHUT UR MOUTH!!!... IM JUST TALKIN' 'BOUT FAIN.......
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Yes Office was awsome! I wastched it twice. Even though it was a little to easy it was awsome how Michael got his job back along with Pam starting in sales and Ryan coming back. The queen bee was good also, but I loved how the Korean lady kept getting into their van and how Michael kept talking about adding a loft to the office. Oh and Please crunch those numbers again, I can't its a computer program.
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Apr 25, 2009 11:01:21 PM CDT
Refering to what the boss said to Dwight & Jim
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Thanks for defending me also, I'll take your word for it. Im not going back to read that vile venom that Im betting came out of texass after I left.
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I've seen a lot of posts lately about how Jack's turned into Locke now and how people don't seem to like what he's become and especially folks who never liked him sort of feeling vindicated that he's turned into some sort of monster - well I gotta disagree (surprised? nah me neither) - I never hated him before, tho I didn't think he was the strongest character but I *REALLY* like what he's become lately!
sort of... zen..
nobody is looking at him for guidance anymore and you know I think he's enjoying it! whatever happens happens... I'm just the janitor now and I'm just gonna chill... go ask Sawyer-I mean LaFluer...
I thought he had the line of the episode a while back when Kate said I liked you better before and he came back to her with "you DIDN'T like me before" (little biased coz I find so annoying so anyone that owns that bitch so completely like that... hats off)
actually, the "zen" attitude is sorta sometimes mentioned as a paradox in time travel - you know something is going to happen so you do nothing, even though that thing happening actually DEPENDS on you DOING SOMETHING - but you feel like... hay it's gonna happen anyway... they played with that a little with the whole Charlie-Must-Die bit
anyway, just wanted to REPRAZENT for da JACK cuz in the words of Richard Cheese he DOWN with the SICKNESS yo! -
after "crunching" the computer #'s. PAM-- is it better now??-- Computer Guy-- NOPE.... the look in her eyes lol
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a number of projects. I design the programs for my church. Also the last Tuesday of every month is an Animation Vendors fair that I take part in Burbank, CA. Im getting Skecthbooks and Lost trading cards that I made with my design ready to sell. I print and assemble them my self.
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jack always tries to fix things. thats his nature-- hes just letting people fuck up AND THEN hes going to start being JACK. no jack episodes of merit this season so far.... what do u think is about to happen?? MY MAN JACK!! oh did i mention jack and a certain scott are my favs?? GO JACK!!!
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I can see bits of both Jack & Locke in my personality.
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u want to go to room 23 to exchange our email address? and NO! im completely HETERO!! lol
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Apr 26, 2009 12:10:25 AM CDT
Anyone want to give their own theories about the finale & Season
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I gave my thoughts. WHat6s the "Fprk in the Outlet" What will next season be like?
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You DAMN right.
Last Office was the shit. Michael always manages to make me hate him just enough...and then pulls some professional shit like that. Love it. I just hope they can hold it together for the last three eps as they have for the previous two (brilliant!).
Fork in the Outlet. So is that their new 'Frozen Donkey Wheel'? Bet Hurley has something to do with it...Maybe that's what he's got in his guitar case? Or is that even in the same time period as them? I don't quite recall.
CB, I'm ready to *SHUN* those trolls, Schrute style. -
of rampant spoilers. Just wanted to say hi!
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The fork in the outlet yeah, I think it deals with Hurley provoking the incident at the early swan station using what he brought back in his guitar case. But I also think this is just a detail of the finale. I can't picture the whole scene, and I'm not convinced that the 77ers will be back in present time in the finale.
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Will be the last fight, between...I don't know, I'm lost, there's too much possibility with Ben/the others; the "shadow of the statue" crew; Widmore, we can't clearly say who's with who. The only thing I know is that in 2007 there is two separate group on the island (simple survivors doesn't count) with guns and determination.
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Next week episode is about Faraday who comes clean about what he knows about the island, But I'm pretty sure it'll take a 5 minute scene for us to realize that we are not to learn a lot about the island maybe its properties and its story during the last half of twentieth century.
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Jack hasn't changed at all. For once, he just let it be, but Jack's still there. Consider we've only had the one decision that he sat on his hands for; right before that he was in Sawyer's face wanting a plan; to be Jack. When Ben got shot, Jack let go of the wheel like Edward Norton with Tyler Durden whispering in his ears. For once, Jack just said "Fuck it!" There are times where I've loved and looked up to Jack. There are other times I've hated and yelled at the TV image of Jack. Love him or hate him, he is the Luke Skywalker of our little story; Jack's the hero. Locke has the ability to out-Yoda Yoda but he can never be the hero. Sawyer will always be the devil's advocate and Sayid is broken inside. Jack is our hero, I'm taking my hands off the wheel and saying, "Fuck it!" Accept it, it may not be in the traditional sense, but at the end of the day, he'll be the man.
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I guess he was just too obviously your "Luke Skywalker" type straight up and down kinda character - which I found pretty boring - not annoying, just.. meh...
maybe it's just the writers having so much more for everyone else to do and sidelining the char a little, but that little twist of Jack just "letting go of the steering wheel" made him so much more interesting - to me, anyway
-like when he went to Sawyer and laid the "you might wanna do something about the Roger Linus situation - jus sayin - it's your call" on him - after quietly letting ol' Rog know his kid's gonna be just fine and why don't you just chill, have a beer or six, let shit take care of itself - while I take care of these here janitorial duties...
I do agree he's totally letting people fuck up - particularly Sawyer - and hey, maybe "Old Jack" will step in at that point, tho I hope it doesn't go like that coz that would be a return to that... boring.. formula for a character that COULD have evolved in a much more interesting way -
Actually watching that again that scene in the classroom is classic Jack. He was actually getting quite pushy tell Roger to stop worrying about Kate. Try to control things at least with Roger.
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Good. I think there are two schools of thoughts on the numbers. On one hand perhaps they are bad luck and have can be "used". Or, perhaps Hurley has made them out to be more than they are, and this has affected more than him. What if, for instance, Leonard from the asylum and his friends were involved in the Incident? They are just working and Hurley causes the shit, all the time screaming about the bad numbers and yelling them. The workers know the serial number because it seems to go on everything related to the swan...Hurley saw it on the side of the hatch, we saw them putting the number on the door as well. In short, everything goes bad for these people afterwards, but not really because of the numbers. This would go right along with the show runners saying the numbers don't really have any power.
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You can see he's both intimidated and confused when he leaves; usually he's the dominant one and Jack has been quiet of since arriving.
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I'll agree that Hurley might have created more meaning behind the numbers than they actually have, but I still feel they're important or impactful than that. Unless them showing up everywhere is just another example of coincidence that we've seen in the show (and most of the coincidences we've seen have a heavier thread of 'fate' or 'destiny' behind them); 'cause they show up EVERYwhere.
Just had a thought, from LongJohnny99 mentioning Leonard...remember what Leonard looked like when we saw him in the home? His appearance? ...Do we know what Radzinsky's first name is? Could it be...Leonard? Because I'm thinking about it, and Mental Home Leonard sure could be an old Radzinsky...
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sidelined right now because they're going to have so much to do in season 6, and the actors know it, and are grinning on the inside and enjoying being in the background temporarily
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Same as the old Jack? (Had to paraphrase "The Who"!)...I think we have to go back to Season 1...RFemember when Locke was searching...searching for SOMETHING...before he threw that flashlight to Boone? Locke seemed to immediately KNOW he was destined to DO something on that island. Locke had an advantage over 1977 Jack...The island gave Locke the use of his legs in 2004...immediately! He could walk again. Jack did not receive any 'miraculous' hints that the island was special in 2004...so he kinda just took it for granted.
But he did have a purpose in 2004...everyone looked to HIM to be the leader...a job he didn't really want...or even think he was 'cut out' for (thanks Christian!)...he just accepted the 'role'. Well...Jack in 1977...he now KNOWS the island is special...He KNOWS it has a hold on him. He knows it will 'give him a purpose'...like it seemed to do with Locke in 2004. I think Jack is merely 'waiting for his sign'. He's waiting for the island to tell him what to do....as we are.
Now...don't forget...we've been focused elsewhere for a while...Jack HAS been on the back burner. Who is to say that Jack HASN't been searching for his 'special purpose' while shlepping around with mop buckets for the D.I.? I think that scene in the classroom...with him staring at the Egyptian glyphs on the chalkboard was a big clue that Jack hasn't exactly been 'sitting on his hands' during his trip to the 70's. But he still hasn't taken that 'leap of faith' that Eloise told him about in the season premiere.
Perhaps we are building towards "The Incident" that forces Jack to make that leap...to set him on his path.
As for how I see the rest of the season playing out?....I think the season will definitely end in the '70's. I can't see them being able to get everyone back together in 2007 by season's end. I think the finale will climax with "The Incident"...something catastryrophic will happen...killing some...leaving some other Lostie's fates hanging in the balance as we go to break.
I think Season 6 will OPEN with all of the 0-6 reuniting in 2007...and we will spend all of Season 6 flashing back to the ramifications of "The Incident"...and who lived...who died....and what, if any, changes in the future happened due to the Losties meddling in the past occurred. That will be the first 6 episodes of Season 6...telling us exactly HOW the 70's Losties made it back to 2007....
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faster than it took Locke. It took Locke nearly 4 seasons to get there. It's going to take Jack less than 1.
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this is my FIRST post on this week's (ok - last week's) talkback, and I'm delighted to see it's still going! Like gotilk above, I'm too scared to be spoiled for the season finale (in just 17 days, right???) that I've been staying away. From room23 too, 4we8. Is it still safe?
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Just don't venture over to the "LOST Showrunners Answer Questions" talkback. The trolls had a field day over there. Spoilers are now hidden behind a tab over at Room 23...so you're good there, too. Welcome back.
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seems to be dead now.
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Oh, that's right...there was no one IN there feeding the trolls. No Attention = They starved.
It's simple math, really.
Abe...My feeling it's going to be a war between the newly reconstituted Dharma Initiative and The Hostile/Others for control of the island. The Losties will have to pick a side...some will choose different sides...not unlike the split the LOSTIES had when Jack & Locke split ways in Season 4...some followed Jack....some followed Locke.
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I have gone as far as to create another page with a button link to get to spoilers. In fact I created 5 pages Main, Media, Muses (Art),Theories & Spoilers and I try hard to make sure that the only place that you can find spoilers is the spoilers page. So the long short of it Room 23 is totally.
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I know you have the spoiler buttons at room23 (I was just over there today) but they are soooooo tempting ... push the spoiler button, the shiny button.... I digress. I stayed away from the showrunners TB too, Cheif. Saw you got a question answered there - good going!
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2004 was the SECOND INCIDENT that took place at the Swan Station. something major happened the first time to require a "failsafe". now the "failsafe" is gone it maybe just STARTED the course correcting. all the hatches were hampering the islands true nature. now, since the swan is gone, the island is course correcting itself back to how it originally was sans DHARMA.
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I didn't like the Myles flashback episode as much as I wanted to. I thought it was (don't yell at me Hobo!) a little fillerish. It raised so many questions - Myles seeing himself as a child is mind-blowing! But Hurley was annoying, not endearing in this episode, and the whole "Empire Strikes Back" angle was pandering to us fan boys and sci-fi nerds. It was an ok ep, not a great one.
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and, YES FAIN YOU'RE DONE LOL
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I was starting to browse above, notice talk of spoilers... should I not attempt to read through this TB? Also, pa, I tried the live chat room at room23 - didn't get anywhere with it. I posted, some people responded, but I have no idea who they were and why they were chatting.
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Yeah, Jay, Bilbo & I were playing with that and it is wierd We think that it connects to anyother blogs that have the same chat tool. Or some dating website. I even got some spanish speakers. Im thinking of removing it. I was just thinking it might be a good place to go when there trolls or even having one on the spoiler page so that those who want can discuss that without ruining things for people. So I think that I'll keep searching for alternatives.
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....Must...resist....shiny....not...good....shiny....will...spoil...
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I agree that a new, improved Dharma Initiative is about to swoop down and cause all kinds of trouble in present day Lostland. Of course, Ben's special purpose would be to eliminate them again. So a war with the Hostiles/Others is where my mind has been leaning for the last little while. Where does Widmore fit in? Or even Paik? Is Widmore going to saddle up with Ben for the good of the Island? And is the Island a good place? It seems like such a simple question that we should all have the answer to; but do we? Of course good and bad are relative, especially on Lost. On the last Ben episode we saw that he was an inherenytly good man who had been forced and corrupted into being the evil little worm that we all know and love now. He did most of it for the good of the Isalnd. Widmore began a corrupt and evil man while standing in charge of the Island before Ben. Once Locke took it upon himself to become who he was meant to be, he started killing people for the good of the Island. Did his murder of Naomi stand to serve a greater good? Perhaps, but doesn't it seem like we're being led down a darker path to a conclusion where perhaps Dharma wasn't trying to harness the Island's powers but instead was there to limit or eliminate the power of the Island to save mankind? It's just a thought. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised or dissapointed to find out for sure that the Others were indeed the "good guys" I would be shocked and awed to find that all of our characters were bad and Dharma was the earth's last hope.
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tonight's lame ass finale of Heroes...but has YET to see one episode of LOST before it airs this season? A Heroes talkback posted at 4:30am this morning, mind you, that Herc utterly trashes.
Don't get me wrong...I'm happy that we even GET a new LOST talkback each week...some shows like Supernatural NEVER get one...but it seems odd that Herc gives so much love to a show he obviously can't stand...and so early in the morning!!
I would love to see this weeks TB pop up at 8:15am...just once. Not that I'll be IN there (due to the troll flow)...but it would just be nice to see it happen one time this season. -
I can spell...just not on here for some reason, lol!
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If Herc got to see each week's episode before it aired, it would just be one more place to avoid spoilers. Remember the fucking Inviso-text? I peeked everytime.
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Or...is it "Hell" as Anthony Cooper wanted us to believe..."Don't you know where we ARE, John?"... So far, NOTHING has swayed me that the island is anyplace but evil...a cruel, ruthless bitch. I liken it to the film Poltergeist...The island was probably once a great noble place...but then idiots came to the island, disturbing sacred burial grounds and temples...and angered the island spirits. Some of the folks have gone into the light...some are trapped between worlds... (God I miss my Claire)...But...in essence...
"You Moved They Headstones, But Ya Left The Bodies...Did'nt Ya?!"
I dunno, Dance...Hard to say...perhaps the island is seeking to create peace on the island...and is trying to attract as many 'good' people as it can...and purge those whose interests are only evil. Or, perhaps the island needs saving...and is trying to corral the people who can do that.
All I know is...the first rule of Hitchcock is...Put a bomb somewhere in your story...then go away from it for a while...the audience will always be wondering..."What's going on with that bomb?".
In this case...the bomb's name is Jughead...and that sucker is gonna blow before it's all said and done. That's my feeling.
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I remember the days! That was back when I was a spoiler hungry FOOL! I peeked every time, too.
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Not literally, but Darlton has said in a recent interview that the Narnia series has been a major influence to the whole show So you could safely make a lot of comparisons to the land of Narnia. Narnia was not alive, but everything else was. Maybe the trees on the island are alive and are the wispers? Maybe Jacob is metaphorically like Aslan? We have already had Adam & Eve = Sons of Adam, Daughters of Eve? Probably stretching, but maybe theres more to this idea?
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It's the Chronic-WHAT-Cles of Narnia! Lol!! Sorry...My favorite part of "Lazy Sunday"!
I think Darlton also said the whispers will be confirmed this season, too. Was that in a podcast? I can't remember...But...I doubt the trees have anything to do with it.
I think the corelation between LOST Island & Narnia ends at "They are both 'special, magical places'...and they both 'call out to those they want to come visit'. I think the comparisons will stop right about there. That's huge enough without borrowing actual plot points from the books/films. -
Ok....I'm a little bit rusty. I had the coolest advantage in te world in having my 3rd Grade tracher read The Chronicles of Narina to the class for a half hour a day. Everyone in that class beacame readers, it opened up the minds of us all; thanks Mr. Askeland!! That being said....while the Narnia books hold a special place in my heart...in the last twenty five years, I've never gone back and reread them. There was always just way too much out there. Like the Prelandria trilogy by Mr. C.S. Lewis (read that shit, bitches!!!) So I only have 25 year old memories of Narnia and they were even moested in part by those two movies that just came out. I do remember that every time the earth children (for lack of a better term) returned to Narnia, an uncontrolled amount of time had elapsed, right? Bah, I gotta go back annd read those now, I've been meaning to forever. While Lost has always had religious themes, the Narnia books were overtly Christian as was C.S. Lewis. I think Lost takes on a little more of an all-encompassing mythological tone, but yeah, there are definitely paralells. Chief! Good call on the Anthony Cooper quote, go back and watc that scene everybody, he was sure where he was!!! That always struck me as eerie, and upon rewatching it a few times over the years, it seems as if the writers may have tiped their hand a little bit on that one. Unless it's just another red herring like Hurley's Dave. Whatever the island is, and I don't think any of us will ever really know for sure, it seems to be the very nature of its inhabitants. It has always been a reflection of each person's tale. Think about this, and this may have been said before. Whenever we saw a flashback in the first four seasons, it was always a flash into a relevant time of said person's life. It was always a look into the origin of each character's arc explaining a hard decision or internal struggle going on, on the island that respective week. But, it never seemed as if Jack was remembering his marriage dissolving and how it related to what was happening on the island right now. The paralells were always shown to us but the writers never made it apparent that Jack was actually thinking about his marriage dissolving. What if the flashbacks are the Island's, or Smokey's point of view and subsequent judgement of each character?
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Man...Hugo better start teachin that bird how to say his name soon! Or else he won't be able to PROVE time travel works like "Back to the Future"!
Absolutely Dance...and I think when Smokey flashes you (as he did to ben in grand scale a few weeks back), Smokey (the island) is playing those flashback moments back to the Losties...and possibly judging their 'remorse' on those moments.
However...I hope Jack NEVER gets judged for gettin tatts & hanging out with Bai Ling in Thailand. The. Worst. Episode. Of. Lost. Ever. -
Well, every show has to have a worst.episode.ever. and Lost is no different. At least we got to see the Thai guys act out our disgust with that episode by eating the shit out of Jack. BTW, did the bird actually say Hurley's name? I can never tell. Yeah, Cheif, it's an interesting angle. You could even go so far as to say the Island directs each character based on their pasts. It directs some towards redemption, such as manifesting itself into the horse for Kate or the boar for Sawyer. Seeing the horse drove Kate a certain way and shaped her resolution. My only worry is, and I know how much you've all balked at a preachy, Christian, or Biblical angle, that the show will be explained away scientifically. No matter what you believe, we all believe. We all are born with that sense of wonder that we lose when we lose our innocence and the world begins to beat us down. Lost is one of those lightning in a bottle moments in the history of pop culture that has rekindled that a little bit inside of us. All I know is for five years I have sat back at the 'poof' every week and just said, "Goddamn!" It's an incredible, texture3d, layered show that has us fans actually having somewhat philosophical discussions about what it all means. To explian it all away with science would do a disservice to the creativity that the writers have been blessed with. I want to sit back next year at the last 'poof' and be amazed. Last year, me and a buddy started a drinking game; every time we said, "Holy shit" or everytime there was a holy shit moment, we drank. We watched Eli Stone drunk a few times. What I'm saying, or...what I'm trying to say, is that I want to be able to go back to Lost every few years for the rest of my life and be amazed at what an incredible show it was. Science doesn't amaze me like that.
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You son of a......you have the link up, I go to it, I read about another f'in clip show. Then...I keep reading, all those shiny spoiler buttons. The I see PROMOS!!!! I really do like the site you guys putt up, I'm just too weak to fight so I don;t go there. Everybody, rub a lucky rabbits foot for the Blackhawks to take out the Flames in Calgary tonight. I've got season tickets to the Hawks & i won't miss a game seven Wednesday night even for the 100th episode extravaganza!
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No ones forcing you to shoot up. LOL
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I can usually control my urges, but pa's shiny buttons ... I must know!!! Can't wait for this week's episode! Season finale in 16 days!
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This is from the Darlton Q & A not the showrunners one that Herc devoted the talkback, but the one with spoilers that I posted a Non-spoiler & a spoiler version on Room 23. This is a non-spoiler part.
BE: All right, this one is a little complicated, but it has the potential to be revealing. If you had to pick one book for “Lost” fans to read to understand what’s going on, should it be “Slaughterhouse 5,” “A Wrinkle in Time,” “A Separate Reality,” the “Narnia” chronicles, or “Valis”? And I have to admit that I’m not familiar with the last one.
DL: It’s a Philip K. Dick book. Um…I think my own personal poll would align with Carlton, which would be the “Narnia” books. A, it’s a series of books that sometimes tracks the same characters but sometimes abandons those characters to track entirely different characters, and B) it’s a more epic story that builds toward an equally epic conclusion. There will be many parallels, we feel, between that universe and the “Lost” universe when all is said and done.
CC: Especially when it comes to fauns. -
I know brother, but your stuff is clean, uncut, vein vittles!! Me like em a lot. Hard to resist when you stand out on te corner yelling, "Rocks, Blow, Lost Spoilers!" Ha!
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Like 3 times before I started watching the show, and there is some interesting relations to make with lost. Not literally (ther is no island in VALIS) as we can do for Narnia, but more abstract concept on good and evil, divinity-like that appears to be ancient mechanical communication device. And the character Mother Goose whose wife gave birth to the new "helper" (à la Marie). THat same "helper" (jesus like) who later tells the rhipidon society that her parents (goose and his wife) are fucked up and so they can't be trusted to spread the holy speech and save humanity from the Black Iron Prison. Now I have to try to connect it to Jacob asking for help. I dunno but I rather think Lost= Narnia+Valis (and probably one or two others book).
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for the poor translation I only read it in French so I'm not sure it's called black iron prison in English. And so on and so forth.
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In VALIS the"helper" is physically offed by high tech device. In lost it said that Jacob hates technology...
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like you I'm too week to stay away from Pa's weekly spoil-drug drop!
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I meant. It's too damn late here. I should soon go to bed.
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How about this Wednesday...we wait for the 'always late' LOST TB...that will contain Herc's incredibly lame thoughts and predictions...and the same 3 "Variable" preview clips Pa has already posted behind the shiny spoiler button over at the blogspot. So...my idea...
Let's just all go to the chatroom HERE at AICN...and discuss Herc's talkback there. Under the "Channels" tab, there is a "room 23" chatroom already set up...you simply click the "Chat" button...located up there where the "Coaxial" tab is...It will ask you if you want to install the chatroom java program...(it's immediate, not a download)....once inside...click "Channels"...scroll down until you see "room23"...double click it and the room opens. You change you java given name to your AICN screen name...and start chatting away...in real time!
the "Dickholsters" and Losttexasfags" of the world will be ready to pounce on Wednesday...but there will be nobody there (who matters) to pounce on.
I'm just saying...we do it until the "Variable" talkback slips low in the Top Ten ranking...and we can head over there once all the feces throwing and spoiler shouting has died down.
I'm definitely staying away from Wednesday's talkback anyways after reading Herc's post...but would be open to meeting up in chat afterwards to talk about it if anyone wants to join. I'm thinking the more of us regulars that stay away, the faster the trolls starve.
If you've never tried the AICN Chat, it's simple to use...and most of the trolls are way to lazy to figure it out. Let me know what ya think. Namaste! -
Apr 27, 2009 10:37:35 PM CDT
Well I have to stay away from chat until 10pm
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
California time. I like spoilers, but I don't like to read about it until I actually see it. Even then I might not be avaliable. But I'll try.
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I still wanna see a Vincent, Pa...in a heroic "Lassie" type pose!
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I'm there, brutha.
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Apr 28, 2009 12:19:33 AM CDT
OK which smart alick voted for every single one
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
on the Muses poll. I guess that I have to spell it out in the poll pick only 2.
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Double trolling? How ya figure? Are they never in the same place at the same time? Like Shoeshine and Underdog? Lol!!
Pa...wasn't me! I haven't voted yet! -
I can't find shit about this on the net. Someone can tells me about this?
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LOST's Matthew Fox...with Matthew Ian Fox?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Fox_(musician)
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i know you have the kids, but if you are free at 6pm we have an online link to watch the east coast feed. we all watch together on Room23!!
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I must confuse. It's just I read the post about Garcia's birthday at Room23, where it said that Jorge joined "the matthew fox's band : the lost souls" so I deducted it was jack portrayer's band, obviously it's not.
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I'd love to, but the boys don't go to bed till 7pm.
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immediately AFTER the episode. I'm a dude, which renders me incapable of multi-tasking! But I'll also be hanging out there tomorrow afternoon (morning? NAH!) after Herc drops the new LOST talkback.
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http://shrunklink.com/cgbs
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Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas - Filmable. Proven by Terry Gilliam, a little unwatchable at times but filmable. Dune - Filmable - personally didn't like what Lynch did with it, but he proved it could be done. The Watchmen - who the hell ever said it couldn't be done? Oh yeah, Alan Moore, and he's sane, right? The Watchmen was a comic book which is almost by definition a storyboard, of course it could be done. Again, not everyone liked it, (I loved it!), but Snyder showed it could be done. A Confedracy of Dunces - I'm still waiting, but I know it's filmable. Dark Tower? I don't think so, brother. If they could pull it off...holy shit...I'd be eternally impressed and grateful. Do you really think it could translate to the screen? It would HAVE TO BE, absolutely HAVE TO BE an HBO or Showtime series given room to breathe. Abrams and Damon would have to be given a long leash to give the story all it deserves. Do you really think it has a mainstream audeince though? Dark Tower is out there, it's really out there at times and it's DARK. If they try it, hell, I'll watch and I trust those two more than anyone else in the entertainment business with King's vision but I don't know. it's a monumental undertaking that I think Abrams would have to be very hands on with and I'm not aure he'd take the time. Now, all that being said, if they do it and get it right, WOW! They have stated that all of the original characters on Lost were loosely based on the characters of The Stand, considering how a network prime time mini-series turned The Stand into a soap operaish love story, I would rather see the two of them tackle that in some way. Or if they're going to do a cable series, where's the Talisman?!?!?!?!?
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In celebration of Lost's 100th episode...MSN selects the 100 Best Moments in the show's 5 year history. Is your favorite moment there? Did they leave something crucial out? YOU be the judge!
http://lostroom23.blogspot.com
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"Continue Reading" tab to that Best Moments list post...to hide some of that...it goes on for a while!
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It was oh so subtle but it's one of my mostest favorite moments and in a few short seconds defines how Ben was in control of everything and everyone aronud him. Hurley, Locke, and Sawyer are playing a nice little game of Rsik when the telephone rings. They go to see Ben who has just completely manipulated his way into Locke's heart. Just the night before Ben was prisoner of Locke's and now has his own comfy little home. When the three Losties come inform Ben about the message on the telephone, Ben gets up goes to the piano bench and pulls out a shotgun that was there all along and that he could have gotten to at any time. That was to me the most hilarious moment in the five years we've seen so far magnified by the look on Locke, Hurley, and Sawyer's faces when Ben grabbed the gun. I was really hoping that would be on the list, but otherwise whoever put that together did a really nice job.
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Seems Ben was never more than a step away from a shotgun at any time...like Cesar found out in the Hydra office!
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Apr 29, 2009 12:19:10 PM CDT
So I know that we don't want to support the Troll fest but...
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
What are all of your predictions as to when Herc will put The Variable talkback up? Im guessing 3:30pm ACIN time.
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I got tons of other stuff to put up also.
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Just have a feeling! I'm gonna be on the road for a bit...but I'll check in at Chat after I read Herc's post....and that's ALL I'm reading! Fuck those trolls.
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but I would have arranged things differently. Thats the problem with Best Of lists. Its all subjective according to someone personal opinion.
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I just read Node/Hobocode's comment at the blog and relized a little to late that the article did say in no particular order.
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ABC's 'Lost' marks 100th episode this week
Sawyer is large and in charge as 'Lost' hits 100
Lost: The Complete Fifth Season Dharma Initiation Kit (DVD, Blu-Ray)
Hollywood Reporter: 'Lost' 100th (interesting facts about the original ad campain in the actual article)
I put a Matthew Fox interview clip on Regis & Kelly on the spoiler page. The interview is totally non spoilery, but has one of the clips at the end so I put it there. Let me know if one of you wants it on the main page.
For now on Im going to send these up-dates via e-mail so if you haven't recieved an e-mail from me before and are interested in up-dates send me an e-mail paburrows@hotmail.com
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Yeah, but fains trying to confuse them all in that respect. Its kind of funny.
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just want to warn everyone that theres a detailed synopopsis of "The Variable" over at DarkUFO and you know that Cap-N-Jerk/losttexidiot or someone else will cut & paste it into the talkback.
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
Im going to try hanging out over at the other talkback underthis name to see how smart or stupid the trolls are. if you see me don't call me PA or 4we8, etc. Im going to only plug Room 23 here or via e-mail. -
I like spoilers, but not on a whole episode.
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http://lostroom23spoilers.blogspot.com/
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I've tried to look into the new TB and it is nearly impossible to make heads or tails of it with the one troll who uses many names that must not be named. We all spend a shit load of time in these talkbacks, I keep mainly to the Lost ones because that is where my main interests lie. This show has resurrected my belief that network television can be a compelling artform. At the same time so much goes on, is hinted at, or just needs to be discussed that this is an incredible forum for just that. While spoilers are readily available if you really want them and while we all know that internet TB's run the risk of spoiling just by their existence and public access, it is still an a great thing to be able to talk to so many different people from so many different walks of life and speculate and discuss this show that we have all come to love. That s why we all spend the time here, this show and therefore this forum means something to us; there is nothing sad or pathetic in spending time here talking about it. What is pathetic and sad is the person who, when this topic is top ten material, spends more time in here than any of us just to rag on the show. His whole existence in regards to this TB is to be an obnoxious idiot and to attempt to rile us all up and basically start shit. It's just a sad thing that he is so lonely and angry and bitter about life that he must go about his task of angering others as a means of obtaining some form of human contact and acceptance. I truly feel sorry for him, I wish that he would find a purpose in this world not beacuse he bothers us, but because he is so pathetic. Now, that being said where are all the regulars talking about Lost? I see Pa and Fain and D. Vader in the other TB but no one else. It seems almost as if we're running and hiding from this toad. Are you guys in Room 23? I've popped in there a few times but nothing is going on. Someone post back and let me know if you are all just waiting for the new TB to drop out the top 10 or what's going on. Thanks
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I've been away from AICN for more than a week and, understandably, it looks as if the "Lost" talkback moved on me. Whatever the case, kudos to AICN for taking the time to remove the "spoiler" posts.
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banana oil -
well..thats..very..interesting
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well..thats..very..intwhoops!very interesting.whoops.fammit again.
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I know douchey arrogant
pretentious style! My
technique is perfect!
Behold! The knowing of the 'Hurley attempts to steal script' attack.http://tiny.cc/macgenius
Right story bit, Wrong space opera...note the date.
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