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It's The Second Coming of STAR TREK this Easter For Our Troops in the Middle East!

Hey folks, Harry here... I've known that JJ and the Crew of the new STAR TREK would be doing this - but isn't this a nice way to celebrate Easter with our Armed Forces? To give them a peek at something that usually they'd have to wait for a trip home to enjoy? And that JJ and Crew actually went and spent this Easter with the Troops - that's all kinds of special. Here we go - there are a few spoilers here, so boldly go if you do not wish to be spoiled... otherwise read about a special Easter delight!

Harry, I emailed you a week or so ago. I'm in the Army and deployed to Kuwait. The cast of Star Trek along with J.J. Abrams were at our camp today to premiere the new movie. Below is my review. I hope that you find it post worthy: Star Trek Review I am in the Army and currently deployed to Kuwait. We have a movie theater on post that shows “second run” movies, meaning that we get the movie about a week or two after they are released in the states. At times, a special effort is made to show the movie here on the same date it is released in the states. With that being said, I was shocked to see the movie schedule that was published for the first half of April. According to this schedule the new Star Trek movie will have a “special premier” on April 11th. I found it very hard to believe that we would be able to view a big “summer time blockbuster” movie that won’t premiere in the States for another 27 days. Sure enough, the movie actually did get played today and I was able to get in to see it not just once, but twice. Not only did the movie arrive in Kuwait, but J.J. Abrams and most of the “bridge crew” cast (Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, John Cho, Eric Bana and Karl Urban) were here as well. The cast went out of their way to entertain us before and after the movie was shown. They were more than happy to interact with the soldiers (Eric Bana leaped out of his “reserved” seat and sat next to a female soldier who invited him next to her) and they took their time describing their experiences making the film and answering questions and requests (Quinto obliged a soldier who asked him to call his daughter back in the states and say hello to her). I was truly impressed and grateful in the fact that they went out of their way to thank us and to offer this film to us. I’ll admit that this review won’t be as objective as it could because of the way the cast lent themselves to us. My biggest thrill was walking up to J.J. Abrams after the film and having the opportunity to give him my general impressions of it. How many times does a geek like me get a chance to do that? In the spirit of full disclosure, I am not a “trained” film critic. I did not study film in school and have never worked in “the industry”. I judge movies by asking this question: Did it suspend my disbelief long enough for me to want to find out how it ends? If it did, I applaud the film makers for their efforts; if not, I move on to the next experience and consider if I could have thought of a better vision. I’m of the opinion that every scene and bit of dialogue that makes its way onto the screen was put there by the film maker for a specific reason and a viewer ought to pay attention in order to get the most out of his viewing experience What I do claim to be is an avid movie fan, a die hard Star Trek geek (3 conventions under my belt, buy hey…I never wore a costume) and someone who pays close attention to detail in all movies that I watch. Like most Trek fans, I’ve been anticipating this type of movie for quite some time. I can remember reading Strangers from the Sky 20 years ago and thinking it would have been a great story to revamp the TOS Trek movie franchise by hiring younger actors to start the 5 year mission from the beginning. I cherish The Original Series and was left empty after watching Nemesis. So I had high expectations for this film and was encouraged when I learned that someone like Abrams would be creating it. This review is SPOILER FREE as I made a commitment before entering the theater that I would not divulge any plot twists or story lines of significance. Therefore, I will only give you my impressions of the film in general terms. Ok, I’m done trying to validate my credentials. Enough of this blabber; let’s get on with the review. As we say in the military, Bottom Line Up Front: This movie was fantastic in every sense of the word. Perhaps I’m being a Pollyanna because of the delightful way the cast treated us today, but I’m finding it hard to point out any faults in this flick. Not only was I able to suspend my disbelief, but I was caught up with the story and the characters all the way to the end. Just like Kirk in the movie, the audience is left hanging off the edge of a cliff time and time again. Abrams takes something that we are all familiar with, turn it on its head and present us with something that is brand new and that we can quickly embrace. But that is not to say that the movie completely disregards what we all saw on TV while we were growing up. On the contrary, Abrams pays homage to the Original Series throughout the film by including little tidbits that should resonate with the fans. The all familiar pulsating audio blips are the first sounds you hear in the movie. We finally get to see Kirk participate in the Kobayashi Maru exercise. We are finally given a reason for McCoy’s surly disposition and cynical nature. We see Pike as the strong and aggressive Starship Captain that we knew he had to be before he was doomed to a wheelchair. Early in the film, McCoy describes space as “disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence”. And that is exactly the way Abrams displays the backdrop of this story. Gone is the antiseptic nature of space and the ships that travel through it. The Enterprise is no longer a clean and sterile workplace; it is constructed of dirty and oil covered I-Beams that moan with sounds and explosions while being attacked. Space is shown as the hostile environment that it truly must be. This vision is perfectly captured during the opening scenes when a cacophony of terror within a ship instantaneously becomes absolute and sudden death in a sea of silence as a crewman is plucked out of a ship and into the void. This movie has a true ensemble cast. The supporting charters (Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, and Scotty) are elevated to meaningful positions with enough substance in the movie to make each one relevant. Sulu (oh my) is allowed to kick ass without losing the character’s intellect. Chekov is allowed to deliver comic relief without being reduced to the ship’s fool. Uhura is given a critical role in a surprising twist that makes her more than just the “gal with the thing in her ear”. And Simon Peg steals the show in every scene that he is in. Of course, the film still centers around the Kirk, Spock and (to a lesser degree) McCoy, and again, we see these characters in a new, but familiar, light. The relationships between the “Big Three” begin to develop into the familiar “trichotomy” that we are familiar with. Spoke, McCoy, and Kirk still represent the Id, Ego and Super Ego and it is very fun to watch them play off of each other. Kirk and Spock’s internal struggles (Kirk’s desire to honor his father and Spock’s need to defend his mother ) are prevalent throughout the film. . Abrams avoids the traps of other Trek films by ensuring that storyline does not depend solely on an old stand-by such as time travel (or God forbid, a halodeck program run amok). As I think everyone knows by now, time travel does occur in the movie, but it compliments this story; it does not become the story. One thing is certain however: the story told here has altered the Star Trek universe in such a way that there is no going back for any of us. And it is this point that makes this movie accomplish its goal of starting things all anew and allowing us to fondly remember old characters that we have just met. If I’m forced to find fault in the movie it would only be in a sequence in which “Spock the Elder” narrates the future events that lead up to this story. He has a lot of ground to cover and very little screen time to do it and it comes off as a bit rushed. However, the narration is absolutely necessary and I can not see how it could be avoided. One last thought: as I stated, I saw this movie in a military Morale, Welfare, and Recreation (MWR) operated theater. As with all movies shown on a military base, before the film begins, our National Anthem is played. In fact, just as the lights begin to dim, everyone in the theater automatically stands and awaits the beginning of our Song. Having worn the uniform for the past 20 years, I feel the pride whenever the Song is played and I like the idea that it is the opening event for a purely American invention and pastime such as a motion picture. Just like before the opening pitch of a baseball game, I think it’s very appropriate that our country’s freedoms are honored right before a Hollywood produced movie begins showing. I’d offer that up to my civilian movie enthusiast peers as something to think about and to ponder: should we do the same thing at civilian run movie theaters? If you post this, call me Black Smoke (my first call sign from Desert Storm)
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  • April 11, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Glory_Fades if I could delete my posts

    by gusradio

    i'd let you be first asap

  • April 11, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Happy Easter

    by gusradio


  • April 11, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    If only Shatner were there


    The war would be

  • April 11, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    If only Shatner were there


    The war would be

  • April 11, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    ?!? Over?!?


  • April 11, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST

    And Happy Easter


  • April 11, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    first to not say first--

    by bma2192

    --and to not use big bright fonts. BTW ( heh ) --that was "very" cool that they showed you guys the movie over there --and with the cast in person ta boot! That had to be an awesome treat! You guys deserve it for all the hard work and sacrifice, no doubt about it:) My personal opinion of JJ Abrams went up a couple points-- Looking forward to the movie when it hits here in the states! :)

  • April 11, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Good Treat for the Troops.

    by The Founder

    God Bless them for taking the time out to go over.

  • April 11, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Stop whoring for

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 11, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Star Trek - you'll jinx it!

    by JuanSanchez

    Watchmen - fail OAR - fail Don't jinx Star Trek.

  • April 11, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Awesome way to support the troops!!

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Seriously... I can't wait to see this movie, but our soldiers totally deserve to see it early. I'm sure there are plenty of Trek fans in the military... God bless them!

  • April 11, 2009, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Fantastic for the troops, and for the movie...

    by critch

    But I gotta point out that playing the National anthem at a theatre before you see a movie sounds like something that Nazi Germany would do. There's patriotism and then there's propaganda.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    The anthem isn't the pledge.

    by gotilk

    I'd have no problem with the anthem being played. The pledge? Nah. Once the Knights of Columbus ruined it, it ceased to be my pledge. I just speak the original.<br> <br> "I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all." <br> I can get behind that.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST

    I wasn't clear above...

    by gotilk

    It was meant as a response to critch. I meant to include that the anthem doesn't come off as propaganda to me. As an anthem it works on so many levels. It's musically and lyrically powerful and inextricable from it's context, good and bad. But the revised pledge DOES feel like propaganda.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    No Anthem before movies

    by Horace Cox

    I go to the movies to escape the world outside the cinema. Plus I want to sit on my ass and just be entertained with no obligations. Leave the Anthem for sports, public events, and special ceremonies. We Americans don't need to be reminded of where we live before every single thing we do. Just my opinion. And before anyone jumps on my ass, I spent four years in the Marine Corps defending your right to speak your mind, so I think I've earned the same right.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Just for the rcord...

    by Horace Cox

    I'm all for getting rid of the commercials before movies.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Paramount is going BALLS DEEP with this thing

    by zillabeast

    There is absolutely no way this is not already THE movie event of the year. Michael Bay, James Cameron, you've got some serious promoting to stand up to.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:29 a.m. CST

    by critch

    Avatar needs to be delayed just like Star Trek was to get even close to the hype that Trek is getting. As it is, the only people that care about it is the internet. And, IMO, Avatar sounds like Pocahontas meets Total Recall, just with a higher effects budget and a 3D gimmick. Journey to the center of the Earth 3D + Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. Maybe with a trailer we'll see something special and I'll be wrong. But the last time we trusted a director who hadn't done anything in a decade we got the prequels, and Fox hasn't pushed out a good movie in several years.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Shit. Has everyone seen this movie already overseas?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Hey, about showing it here? You know, where people LIKE Trek?

  • April 12, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Hey Black Smoke

    by DarrylStrawberry

    Was it at Zone one on Arifjan? I just got in December stationed in Kuwait providing Convoy security all over Iraq. Stay safe over there and enjoy a rip it for me if you can. God bless and make it back safe!

  • April 12, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    JJ's turn to do the cock sucking now?

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    just for the good PR?

  • April 12, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Tomorrow: Star Trek screened for kittens with cancer

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

  • April 12, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST

    I remember the days when you only sucked cock for coke

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 12, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Next week: screened for auto workers in Detroit

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

  • April 12, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    And then a screening to benefit Lindsay Lohan

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    "Before she was taken off life support, Simon Pegg offered to peel her a hard boiled egg"

  • April 12, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    This must've been written by the serviceman

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    who put the mission accomplished banner up for good ol w on the aircraft carrier. a true patriot, whose heart is tough and resilient like ivy, whose limbs are strong like those of a tree, whose soul is rooted in the deep soil of American farmland where he grows and blooms.

  • April 12, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Next it's Old People in Rest Homes

    by lockesbrokenleg

    They get a special screening, too?

  • April 12, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Oh Fuck Off Already

    by medicinaluser

    This is almost as bad as when Arnie went and showed T3 to the troops, proclaiming it to be the best Terminator movie made to date and everyone there thought it was shit but kinda felt obligated to say otherwise seeing as well aint it nice ol hollywood thought of you....<BR><BR>Sorry but I still fail to see how anyone other than a mild trekkie is looking forward to it, everyone else (non trekkies and nutjob trekkies alike) are otherwise preoccupied scratching our asses waiting for T:Salvation.

  • April 12, 2009, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Classic Trekkies hate this movie with a passion

    by lockesbrokenleg

    They won't see it because some button on the bridge is red when it should be blue. This movie was made for new fans and fans who dont give a rip about tech details.

  • April 12, 2009, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Good for them

    by Rand92

    It's nice to see some people in Hollywood can still do something nice for the troops and show some support. It is a nice change of pace to horrible anti-military movies that came out all last year. Redford, Penn, and others can take a cue from these guys about how to treat the military who are over there dying to protect their right to be obnoxious assholes.

  • April 12, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST


    by Opinionated_Bastard

    C'mon AICN! That review DID have spoiler items!

  • April 12, 2009, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Anthems before movies?

    by motivotion

    Look, i love America, but that's cheesy as shit. You can't get people to shut up in movies, much less sing the National Anthem. Jesus

  • April 12, 2009, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Motion picture a 'purely American invention '?

    by Unclean1

    Uhm no, silly patriot.

  • April 12, 2009, 4:04 a.m. CST


    by critch

    Er, you do know that T4 is written by the same people that did T3? And CATWOMAN? And thanks to the failure of Watchmen got neutered? It's ok, we'll see which one is better in a little over a month. I'm not holding my breath for anything from T4. Awesome trailers, but considering their original idea was "Lets kill John Connor and have him be a Terminator!" And the only reason they changed it was because the internet found out...yeah, I'll stick with Trek, thanks. It may be for medicinal purposes, but you're definately smoking something.

  • April 12, 2009, 4:23 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    You don't have to sing, just stand.

  • April 12, 2009, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Except the disabled row.

    by gotilk

    "ohh-hoo.. nay nan you neeee!!!"

  • April 12, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST


    by Sleeperkid

    ...that's just awesome.

  • April 12, 2009, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Unclean1 - Hes right. You should read what you post.

    by Mike_D

    "The FIRST experience successfully took place on June 11 at the Palo Alto farm in California with the press present." You probably just read this part: "The SECOND experimental film, Roundhay Garden Scene, filmed by Louis Le Prince on October 14, 1888 in Roundhay, Leeds, West Yorkshire, England is generally recognized as the earliest surviving motion picture."

  • April 12, 2009, 4:57 a.m. CST


    by medicinaluser

    I would still see it Pg13(they neutured The Bale)or not seeing T2 would likely get the same rating nowadays and as for the writing team the script was extensively polished by the lesser Nolan brother (not the one wanted for murder..the other one)<BR><BR> Speaking of which who the fuck wrote Star Trek anyway, thats right the dudes behind Transformers ffs.... but what really hurts my soul though is your percieved non 420 friendly stance. <BR><BR>Enjoy your prosthetic foreheads come 8th May.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Mike D - He's not right ;)

    by Unclean1

    He states motion pictures are a 'PURELY' american invention. As you can read in the wiki entry (which you clearly did) you'll see that it is a development arising in many countries roughly around the same time, including the US. (also, the early film industry was arguably dominated by the French, again from the wiki: 'By 1905, Pathé was the largest film company in the world, a position it retained until World War I'). Which ever way you look at it, claiming it as 'purely' American is, as said, rather silly.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:58 a.m. CST

    The marketing dept at Paramount is genius...

    by JackIsLost

    Those guys deserve a raise once ST becomes a huge hit.

  • April 12, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST


    by Alexxa

  • April 12, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    This movie will be awesome

    by American Mythos

    And what a great way to honor the troops by showing it to them with the cast and crew. But no Anthem before screenings. I love my country but I don't need to be told to be proud when I'm doing something as simple as seeing a movie. Besides, what if I'm in a packed auditorium and I just let out a silent fart, and when the Anthem plays I'm suddenly the only one that stands, and the fart wafts to those around me, and they now know it came from me? What then?

  • April 12, 2009, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Honouring your inventions

    by ultrakev69

    How about honouring other American inventions with some patriotic noise. The machine gun was invented in America in 1881. How about whenever you score kill on the battlefield your entire platoon gets up and salutes as your national anthem is boomed out of speakers attached to your flak jackets. Or would that be both annoying and stupid?

  • April 12, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Now everyones the biggest Trek Fan..

    by Redfive!

    I hate how Trendy movie geeks are.You can have Star Trek,Batman and Terminator.And when the next Search for Spock,Batman & Robin and T3 gets made you can have those too.

  • April 12, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    F Troop.

    by NeilMcCauleysBrother

    I met some of your valiant servicemen some time ago in Europe. It seems their only sacrifice involved their humility; thought they fuckin' owned the place. I don't know: maybe they were not representative of the US military as a whole; maybe it was just mob mentality at its ugliest. They DID upset a lot of people just out for a few drinks though, and when they were asked to quieten down they pulled the old "Do you know who we are?" bullshit. Gung ho fucking ho.

  • April 12, 2009, 8:08 a.m. CST

    If The Played The National Anthem, I Would Never...

    by Loyalfromlondon

    Go to the movies again in North America. Sorry. It was enough dealing with the 100000% sales increase of American Flags following 9/11.

  • April 12, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST

    medicinaluser - ?

    by critch

    Um, so glossing over "From the writers of CATWOMAN and T3" and bringing up Transformers isn't going to win you any battles. One is the winner of 'worst movie of the year' awards, and one was a huge blockbuster event movie that was the highest selling DVD of it's year and made over 700 million worldwide, and somehow made a cheesy 80's toy commercial a entertaining movie. I'll stick with my prosthetic foreheads, thank you very much.

  • April 12, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST


    by medicinaluser

    YOU seem to be glossing over that the script has been pretty much rewritten by Jonny Nolan its a fact and well correct me if I am wrong but didnt he also fucking have a hand in writing last years biggest grossing movie as it stands the figure being ..... Worldwide: $1,001,921,825<BR><BR>Suck on that or roll a fat one the choice is yours.

  • April 12, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    the guy who shot those moving animal photos...

    by CorpseRide

    ...showed them as a series of photos, not as a movie. They were later turned into something a bit like short movies by printing them on discs and spinning them past a lantern, which had been a method of projecting moving images for centuries... just not done with photos before. </p>But anyway, he was British, he just happened to shoot the photos in California. But this is flimflam- bottom line is the guy said film is 'purely' American which is just a bit nutty. But thanks for fighting, go freedom!</p> PS they stand for the anthem before every movie in Thailand. They project images of the king as they do it. So if you've ever thought "hey, if only the US was more like Thailand..." sure that's one way you could do it.

  • April 12, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    true story - indian national anthem

    by Mr_X

    i was in goa fr a month and watched batman begins in goa, before the movie started the national anthem played. now im an indian, but i just thought that was bizzare. but fear of having the shit kicked out of me made me stand up holding my popcorn and samoas.

  • April 12, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    I'd stand - thank you Soldier!

    by aceattorney

    Be safe!

  • April 12, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Typical brainwashed American Soldier

    by theycallmemrglass

    Fucking typical. National Anthem playing before every film american's watch? Movies are an American invention? Star trek is purely an American film? Fucking hell, these soldiers are so brainwashed with patriotism. Its scary. God help world piece.

  • April 12, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    theycallmemrglass, it's "world peace" you illiterate dope

    by YackBacker

    Learn English if you want to talk with Americans about movies!

  • April 12, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Mr. Glass...

    by expert_40

    ... go FUCK yourself.<br><br>You're the kind of Obama's Socialist Army douche bag mother fucker who doesn't deserve the kind of freedom you enjoy because you don't have the common courtesy to be fucking grateful to the ones who protect your goddammed right to be a giant fucking tool.<br><br>You're a fucking clown show mother fucker.

  • April 12, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST

    And when I say clown show...

    by expert_40

    ... I mean you dress up in fucking clown paint in the Obama's Socialist Army HQ in San Francisco and take sit on a sybian up your gaping anus while other ungrateful military hating liberals watch and jerk off on your douche bag face.

  • April 12, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by Zarles

    What's more American than homophobia and extreme violence? AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!<p><p>expert_40, kill yourself. Preferably with something blunt. You too, mrglass.

  • April 12, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by expert_40

    What did I say that was homophobic?<br><br>I'm pro gay rights mother fucker.<br><br>HAHA

  • April 12, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Anthems before movies?

    by bigbill

    I think they did that during WWII

  • April 12, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Good For Them :

    by PTSDPete

    Bad for the Iraqui.

  • April 12, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by PTSDPete

    Go fuck YOURSELF. Eh? </p>Stupid militia son-of-a-bitch.It's not Obama who's building an ' illegal army ' now, is he ? Unless, you count the puppet one he's building in your favorite Middle Eastern nation ' illegal '. Which, phony U.S.-backed constitution aside, it is. </p></p>And movies are a FRENCH invention, dimwit.</p>

  • April 12, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Can we all just get along?

    by WIBoomer1

    Let's drop the politics

  • April 12, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    jesus...I thought i was on a Fox news board...

    by DrBrianOblivion

    ...for a second. There's no reason to make every story a political back and forth between angry liberals and conservatives. Its sunday morning for fucks sake. Take a day off.

  • April 12, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Fuck the whole "Support the Troops" crap


    I don't support the war, why should I support those who fight it? If it's a necessary war, like World War II, then yeah, I support you for being over there, but then I'd probably enlist myself. This was an uncessary war, and these guys are doing the job the applied for and are getting paid for. Who the fuck signs up for the army without considering they'd have to go somewhere and fight? I support you enough with my tax money, you don't need any more support then that to do your fucking job.

  • April 12, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Nice review.

    by cameron1975willi

    Stay safe out there you guys.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    i dont support the war AT ALL but...

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    i support the men and women who put their lives on the line for us.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    expert_40 + theycallmemrglass

    by redfist

    Hi! You two jackoffs are what is wrong with America. <p> Are you surprised? <p> Listen, turn off FOX, CNN and go watch CSPAN or read a book or just unplug your computers and stop infecting the internet with you retarded political vomitting. <P> For everyone else: I am ex-army, and it is true, the National Anthem is played before the movies but it is not as "2 minutes Hate" as you think. Google "AFN commericals"...they will make you want to put a gun in your mouth.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST


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  • April 12, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Paramount and JJ

    by Jodet

    Have raised the bar so high on movie promotion with this one no one will ever top them. First the 'surprise premiere' in Austin, now taking the bridge crew to the troops overseas. My hat is off to everyone involved in this. It's just fucking great.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    National Anthem

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    I agree with you, Black Smoke. Sometimes, I really wish people in America could find out just exactly what it would be like for movies if Sharia law were imposed in the US - what could and couldn't be shown. When we go to see a movie, we should be thankful for the freedom of expression in America that allows artists to be creative.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Oh, and one more thing

    by Jodet

    I would send this link to my friends, because they'd find it interesting. But I will not promote a site that allows 'megan foxs cunt juice' as a member name. Jesus fuck, Harry, get a Goddamn clue.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    anthem & pledge

    by berserkrl

    The Founding Fathers would have been horrified by the Pledge (in either its original or its revised version). Loyalty oaths to the government are contrary to everything the U.S. was founded on. No surprise that the author of the Pledge, Francis Bellamy, was an authoritarian collectivist (his brother Edward Bellamy wrote _Looking Backward_). The anthem is less objectionable than the Pledge, but I still find the idea of playing it at the beginning of private, non-governmental events to be somewhat creepy and un-American. When political and state-oriented rituals start invading every aspect of private life it's always a bad sign.

  • April 12, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    How is the war in Iraq protecting American freedom?<p>(If you respond to this question by insulting me instead of answering it, it will be obvious that you don't have an answer. But of course, feel free.)

  • April 12, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    Soldier: "Big titty hookers??"<p> Abrams: "No, even better! Star Trek!"<p> Soldier: "......"

  • April 12, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Good For the Troops

    by picardsucks

    Support the USO it's a good cause!!

  • April 12, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    my brother is in the army

    by Dijjot

    he knows its all mob mentality retards with C averages and no money. fighting for freedom? not quite; more like fighting for free college. Good marketing idea though for abrams, and im sure they appreciate it.

  • April 12, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    See - poor education is a good thing sometimes.

    by Professor_Monster

    So all the meat heads who spelled their names wrong on the SAT got a visit from a used car salesman. The average soldier's brainpower is damn near retarded - how would they know what a good movie is - aren't they busy tossing puppies out of Hum Vees or raping ?

  • April 12, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    My fondest wish...

    by EverythingEverywhereStinks

    I sincerely hope that someone out there living on the vast network of pneumatic tubes that comprise the magical interwebs collects all of the posts in this talkback and etches them into marble. Then I hope this marble obelisk is erected adjacent to Gene Roddenberry's star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame, so it can stand as a haunting testament to the legacy of his work as perceived by the people who call themselves "Star Trek Fans." The image of a group of people inspired to make the future a better place has forever been replaced by an angry, impotent mob of feral, dysfunctional human beings. Trekkies now sound like a pack of junkies rabidly in need of a fix of their beloved franchise, to the point that a self serving, megalomaniacal Hollywood "It Boy" can serve them reheated leftovers and be heralded as a demigod. Trekkies are getting what they deserve, another millionarie-cum-savior getting richer off of their cash. Enjoy it, Space Monkeys!

  • April 12, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    You support the troops

    by WaitingforAvengers

    Then go fight!

  • April 12, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    RE: National Anthem

    by OneBuckFilms

    ThusSpakeSpymunk ... Erm, what has the National Anthem got to do with creativity and freedom of speech in movies?

  • April 12, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Yeah support the usarmy.

    by ominus

    happy amry with high moral means more killings of the enemy. <p>more killings of those muslim bastards,means the quicker we will get our hands to all these rich oil fields and strengthen our geopolitical control in middle-east and have an eye for those fucking russians and asians. <p>god bless america,the international bodyguard and liberator of the world. <p>amen

  • April 12, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Good on ya Trek crew...

    by morGoth

    ...ain'tTHATcool? Good to read another fan review and fuck off to all of you who hate on the troops. Thanks for keeping the fanatics from our shores to all who wear the BDU's.<p>On another least we agree on the 420 love medicinaluser {[:^)

  • April 12, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Professor_Monster, RE: See - poor education is a good thing some

    by OneBuckFilms

    That was an "intelligent" statement. Full of BS, innuendo and venom. Were you raped by a Soldier or something? You need therapy.

  • April 12, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Trek for Troops - Bullets for Somolli Terrorists!!

    by picardsucks


  • April 12, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    The funny ironic thing is that

    by ominus

    roddenberys vision through star trek,was all about unification of the world,no stupid religions,no racial and social discrimination,no countries and no borders,wealth,control and power were absent in the future. <p>but here in the present what we get? jj abrams and co,they show the new super duper star trek in those young children of the usarmy,in order to heighten their spirits in this time of easter celebration. <p>these young children,who are there in a foreign land,ready to sacrifice their lives..for what? liberty and independence of the muslim people there? <p>ofcourse not,its all about the big interests of the big heads who control america and the rest of the world. <p>well done abrams.thanx for spiting in roddenberys grave once again.

  • April 12, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Did this guy just call...

    by BendersShinyAss

    .... the motion picture a purely american invention? <p> What. The. Fuck are they teaching these soldiers over there? <p> I suppose there's only two places in the universe - America and some war zone. <p> but then I'm sure it would kill the soul of any hardcore american patriot to know that the motion picture was invented by the French. <p> or how about the first feature length motion picture was an Australian Movie, about Ned Kelly, running a grand total of 70 minutes. <p> Geezus, that really pissed me off hey... some of you yanks are totally brainwashed fucked up. <p> ID4 could have been the greatest film ever... if it wasn't so fucking republican patriotic we are the world america!

  • April 12, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Anybody seen Ominus' brain?

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Because apparently it flew out of his skull and is bouncing around on the floor somewhere. So watch where you step.<p>For fuck's sake, combining grade school bitches about U.S. foreign policy, the military, corporations, and saying they all equate to spitting on Roddenberry's grave? You know what, cancel that brain search. Apparently there wasn't one to begin with...

  • April 12, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    I appreciate that write-up by Black Smoke. I'm glad these soldiers were given a well-deserved treat. I'm no J.J. fan, but massive props to him and the ST cast for doing this. And it's not necessarily soldiers who are "brainwashed" - just walk down your average street and ask anyone who invented the motion picture. I'd be shocked if you got one right answer. It's America that has an education problem and thank Bale we have Obama now to fix it. Praise Bale.

  • April 12, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    And he would've done it, too.

  • April 12, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    I think it was the Germans. Or a Frenchmen living in Germany.

  • April 12, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    BRAVO Abrams and cast

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I don't care what your politics are, in the end this was a fantastic thing to do. Showing the troops the movie early and the cast getting off their pampered Hollywood asses and actually taking the time to fly overseas to personally mingle with them as well. BRAVO Abrams and cast, and to Paramount as well, for doing a truly stellar thing. Whoever came up with the whole idea of doing this was one of the few people in Hollywood actually using their brain for once.

  • April 12, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    In which case, yeah, totally American. <P>

  • April 12, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback


  • April 12, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    And why do our guys and gals overseas get second-run movies? Fuck that, they should get first-run.

  • April 12, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Do not fuck with the SEALS.

  • April 12, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST


    by altoandando

    he was playing "the most frightened person on earth" for Christ's sake.

  • April 12, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    WB could have used this kind of marketing with Watchmen.

    by polyh3dron

    Paramount is kicking all kinds of ass with the way they are working the buildup to the release of this movie.

  • April 12, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    I support the Woodster on that.

  • April 12, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    There was a screening for Obama's new dog

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

  • April 12, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    What kind of plant grows in the desert?

    by Kingdaddy

    Lil Billy : A studio plant? Teacher : That's right! (The two high five and then fuck on the teacher's desk) - Fade to black -

  • April 12, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    I'm Not The Pro War Political Type...

    by Media Messiah

    ...but I am happy for the soldiers here. I recently debated becoming a soldier, actually it has been almost a life long debate...and it is certainly a worthy career field, but I am just glad that these soldiers are getting a chance to serve under a President who really cares about them and their families. It takes Angels to do your work, and to do it right...with justice in mind. And to those of you who are these good Angels, you know who you are! Thank you for your service!!! God Bless you and your families, and Happy Easter!!!!

  • April 12, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    America OWNS the World & the Space around it.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    God Bless America & Obama's new puppy.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    OneBuckFilms - National Anthem

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    From Wikipedia - Qadi ‘Iyad ibn Musa al-Yahsubi argues that Sharia does not allow freedom of speech on such matters as criticism of Muhammad and that such criticism is considered blasphemy against Muhammad. He writes: "The Qur'an says that Allah curses the one who harms the Prophet in this world and He connected harm of Himself to harm of the Prophet. There is no dispute that anyone who curses Allah is killed and that his curse demands that he be categorized as an unbeliever. The Judgment of the unbeliever is that he is killed. [...] There is a difference between ... harming Allah and His Messenger and harming the believers. Injuring the believers, short of murder, incurs beating and exemplary punishment. The judgment against those who harm Allah and His Prophet is more severe – the death penalty."[98]

  • April 12, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    OneBuck Films - Middle Eastern Cinema

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Saudi grand mufti says, “No movies for you. No nothing for you.” April 3, 2009, 7:18 am Photo: Chad Rebels Photo: Chad Rebels Just weeks after that grand Hollywood delegation visited Iran on a “cultural” exchange, they’ve received bad news from neighboring Saudi Arabia. Movies are now taboo. As AsiaNews/Agency in Riyadh explained it: Cinema and theatre are “against Sharia” because they distract people from work and weaken their efforts in achieving progress, said Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti Shaikh Abdul Aziz Alu Al Sheikh during a conference on leisure, visual arts and literature attended by students at King Saud University. “Theatrical performance, whether it is a cinema or a song, would generally make an impression that is against Sharia. People need only those (art forms) that are useful to them to change their way of life (in an Islamic manner),” he decreed. They continued. And so did the nutcase Mufti: In his address to students at King Saud University, the grand mufti warned against playing chess because it “causes a man to lose his wealth and waste his time.” Conversely “photography is one of the necessities of life” because it helps in “lectures, [. . .] religious activities [. . .] while maintaining public security.” “Only the photography of sculptures and models is prohibited,” he said. Remuneration for poets who attend festivals and cultural events is permissible if their words are good, faultless, without “abusive words or references.” Finally, the mufti urged students to stay away from cigarettes and avoid reckless driving, especially at night or early morning. Hold on. He didn’t mention cable TV, did he? Can they watch cable TV Saudi Arabia? If so, we highly recommend Entourage to the Grand Mufti. We’re pretty he’ll like it. But he might want to watch it with the blinds pulled down. (SOURCE:

  • April 12, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    There is nothing casual about it!

    by MelGIbsonsAssBlood

    I mean to fuck!

  • April 12, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST


    by Sicuv Uyall

    Yeah.. and maybe we can also pray for world "PEACE," dickhead. You know they're fighting for your right to an education too, dumbass.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Never speak ill of Lord Bale.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Our new first puppy is cute as a button!

  • April 12, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    OneBuckFilms - America Under Sharia

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    If the Terroists Win: America Under Sharia Law Posted by RidesAPaleHorse on February 16th, 2008 No Comments Printer-Friendly If you're new to DBKP, you may want to subscribe to the RSS feed. Thanks for stopping by! Beheadings, Stonings and FOX News Shut Down The DEA Would Still Be in Business, Though A Terrorist Caucus Would Vote Unanimously Democrat Last October, a book which gave a glimpse of what America would look like under Islamic, or sharia, law. It would be a much different looking country than what Americans are now used to. It would also be a country in which those who raise their voices the loudest against the United States’ fight against Islamist terrorists would be the first to feel the ire of America’s new masters. Beheadings, stonings and honor killings would be common-place if American ways weren’t changed–and changed in a hurry. “Schmoozing with Terrorists” by Aaron Klein was the number 1 book on about the Middle East. Klein, an ABC reporter who was banned from Syria because of his religion, conducted a series of interviews before the book came out with leaders of various terrorist organizations. It’s extremely revealing what party and candidate the terrorists are all rooting for in the 2008 American elections. Of the interviewed terrorist leaders, every single one of them said they hoped a Democrat becomes president in 2008. 9/11 was America’s most disturbing experience with terrorists. Before the 2006 U.S. midterm elections, Klein conducted a series of interviews with senior Middle East terrorist leaders who urged Americans to vote for Democrats. al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades leader Jihad Jaara told Klein a Democrat win would ensure victory for worldwide jihad, explaining the Democrats policy of withdrawal from Iraq would “enhance the resistance.” Klein also read to the terror leaders statements from prominent Democrats such as House minority leader Nancy Pelosi claiming a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there. All terror leaders interviewed rejected the claim. Islamic Jihad leader Muhammad Saadi said an American withdrawal would “prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works.” Jaara declared a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would “mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America).” Pelosi got in some practice wearing a headscarf Nancy Pelosi, in particular, was much appreciated by the terrorist leaders. If the Speaker of the House continues her unauthorized diplomatic attempts in the Middle East and her anti-military votes in the House, she may well earn the plaudits of as many terrorist leaders as well as her constituents in San Francisco. Of course, Pelosi would likely not have to worry about sharia–she wore a hijab on her visit to Syria. In April, 2007, when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited Syria and called for dialogue with Damascus against the stated recommendations of the White House, Klein conducted interviews with Mideast terror leaders whose headquarters are in Syria. The terrorists called Pelosi’s visit “brave” and “very appreciated” and said it could bring about “important changes” to America’s foreign policy, including talks with “Middle East resistance groups,” Iran and Iraqi insurgents. One terror leader, Khaled Al-Batch, a militant and spokesman for Islamic Jihad, expressed hope Pelosi would one day become U.S. president, explaining the House speaker’s Damascus visit demonstrated she understands the Middle East. But assuming that Pelosi and her fellow Democrats have their way and sharia law does ever become the law of the American land, what can Americans expect? Bars and clubs would be closed down, church bells would be banned, non-Muslims would pay special, extra taxes and Madonna and Britney Spears would be put out of their misery. In the book, various leaders took turns describing everyday life in the U.S. if al-Qaida or other terrorist groups won the war on terror. “Once Islam dominates, anyone living inside the Islamic state must abide by our rules. There is no choice. You will abide or face the punishment,” said Muhammad Abdel-El, the spokesman and a senior leader of the Popular Resistance Committees terror organization. Sheik Abu Saqer, a prominent Gaza-based preacher, a founder of the Sword of Islam terror group and a subscriber to the ideology of al-Qaida, explained if Islam controls the U.S., all American women, whether Muslim or not, must cover their hair. “This is the demand of our religion. Being and walking naked doesn’t mean that you are enjoying more freedom; it means that you are going against Allah’s laws and you are serving the enemies of Islam who want to empty our Islamic society from its values. Uncovered heads is a form of nudity.” Yasser Hamad, a cleric and a Hamas leader in the northern West Bank, explained in “Schmoozing” Islamic law enforcers would at first try to persuade American woman to cover their heads, but eventually females would be forced. Those women who refuse may be stoned. Asked by Klein whether stoning was too harsh a punishment, Hamad replied: “If you don’t respect the local law in America, if you don’t pay taxes, if you drive on a red light, aren’t there sanctions used against you by your government? Of course there are and it’s okay with you. Why is there a problem when it comes to the Islamic state that wants to impose its rules?” Sharia would likely not bother those Americans who are in the habit of proclaiming, “There ought to be a law.” There will be plenty of laws. Hamad and other terror leaders stated all Jews and Christians living in the U.S. once Islam takes over would need to pay the jizya, a special protection tax, and other special taxes for non-Muslims, including one for the right to cultivate land. Non-Muslims cannot own land themselves. Saqer said no new synagogues or churches can be built in the Islamic state. Existing houses of worship may remain, but services cannot be conducted loudly or in any public fashion. The ringing of church bells or blowing of the ceremonial Jewish shofar would be forbidden, the terror leaders said. “For every sin and crime there is a sanction.” That is how Hamad explained sharia in the U.S. “Prostitution: one hundred whippings; if the prostitute was married, he or she will be stoned until death; for a thief, his hand will be cut. But before enjoying the primitive nature of Islam and before you express how much you are shocked by our rules, I must say that these are not immediate sanctions, but they are used only if the person was warned.” Hamad explained prostitution doesn’t mean selling sex; he said the Islamic definition applies the term to all extramarital sexual relations. But he boasted Islam’s allowing men to marry many women was a perfect remedy for prostitution. “In order to prevent prostitution and before reaching the sanctions of stoning or whipping, we will marry all our unmarried young. By the way, Islam allows the man to marry four women, so if he or she keeps practicing sex outside marriage and prostitution, in this case the sanctions mentioned in Quran will be used.” The terror leaders all said alcohol would be banned and American movies and television would be shut down. DEA agents would likely notice no change, as they would still be employed. The war on drugs is one aspect of sharia law that is already implemented in America now. “American culture is very cheap and very corrupting. Your American culture is based on capitalism, on democracy, sex, and other principles that go against the nature of human beings as Allah created. We will fight all that this culture represents and promotes,” said sheik Saleh Faraj, one of the main leaders of the Islamic Liberation Party in the West Bank. Freedom of the press in America would mean: no freedom. In the American Islamic state, the terrorists said once Islam rules the U.S., American media outlets that don’t conform to disseminating Islamic messages will be closed. They said that the NY Times, CNN and the Washington Post would all likely be banned. “The media will be closed not because there will be no freedom but because what is the logic of allowing the activity of media that can endanger the political and social stability of our state?” said Nasser Abu Aziz, no. 2 of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group in the northern West Bank. One thing the terrorist leaders had in common with the American Left and Media Matters is an intense dislike for the FOX News Chennel, which some called a “network of evil.” That’s the terrorists’ appraisal. Abu Abdullah said, “The evil FOX encourages a lack of respect to Islam and resistance movements and will cause moral confusion and negative political influence.” There is a possibility American music may be altogether banned if Islam takes over. Saqer explained in “Schmoozing,” some Islamic experts and sages, including those of the school of Egyptian scholar Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, allow music; while others, like those belonging to the Islamic Salafite school, forbid music. Multiple terror leaders had never heard of many top singers in the U.S., but Klein said they were all familiar with Madonna and Britney Spears. “Unfortunately, I heard the names of Madonna and Spears on [Arab] television when parents complain that their children neglect their studies and their values because they are influenced by your cheap American music that you call culture,” said Saqer. Hamas’s Abu Abdullah said, “At the beginning, we will try to convince Madonna and Britney Spears to follow Allah’s way. But I honestly don’t think they will follow. If they persist with their whoring music, we will prevent them by force. I don’t think that I can be in the same place with these singers. They might be killed if they do not respect our laws.” A stoning offense The Committee’s Abdel-El, whose group previously bombed Americans, said, “Their music video clips will be forbidden and these whores Madonna and Spears will be thrown in jail until they admit they made sins and return to the moral way. If they don’t, they will be stoned to death or eighty times hit with a belt.” Abdel-El said even before Islam takes over America, he would personally kill Madonna and Spears if he ran into them. “If I meet these whores I will have the honor ? I repeat, I will have the honor to be the first one to cut the heads of Madonna and Britney Spears.” The terrorists repeatedly state that their goal is a worldwide Islamic caliphate. “We see already in America a nucleus of Islam, a base for Islam. This will become bigger, stronger, more important, until Islam will take control and will seize the power in America and the world,” said Faraj. Abdel-El affirmed, “America will be overthrown. We are seeing more and more signs that prove that the process had already started.” So that’s what America will look like if the leaders of the terrorist groups that some Americans insist do not threaten us ever come to power. During the Cold War, there was a segment of the American political spectrum that was always advising against fighting the Soviet Communists. They blamed America for every confrontation with the Communists. Their motto was: “Better Red than dead.” These Americans would transition easily to sharia law. They’re many of the same ones who are counseling “submission” in the war on terror. Sharia is all about submission. Or you die.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    But dat shit is good yo.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    OneBuckNation - Source on Last Article Was

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk Now, if you're still not sure how sharia law being imposed on America and the death of cinema and creative expression are linked, I've got nothing more to say to you.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Under Baleia law, you can do the same, but the daughter must be a hottie.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    So many different gripes....

    by Sicuv Uyall

    Lots of things are setting people off in here. I thought talkback was all about unity, inteligent conversation, and constructive criticism. Boy, was I wrong. May you all burn in hell, mutherfuckers!!!!!

  • April 12, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Allah will trash your fuckin' lights!!!

    by Sicuv Uyall


  • April 12, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    That's the make-or-break issue with moi.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST


    by Die_Hardest

    Please take a running jump and go fuck yourself. Cheers.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Didn't you see Footloose?

  • April 12, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    OneBuckNation - National Anthem

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    It's things like trying to stop the National Anthem from being sung (a real effort in the USA, actually, which is surprising given the info in those articles! - uh-huh) that have a lot to do with slowly, and by degrees, getting people to forget what got them where they are and has kept them there in the USA.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Sharia Law in America?

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Anything is possible now that a fucking muslim in President.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    National Anthem

    by Die_Hardest

    One thing I've never gotten about the arguments against are anthem is the suggestion that its overly violent. I mean, have these people heard the French National Anthem? Now that is some militant shit.

  • April 12, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    stupid stupid stupid

    by Die_Hardest

    that should say "our."

  • April 12, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    None of that. It's not that someone IS or ISN'T any religion. Don't confuse the issue - that IS the kind of hate that conservative people DO genuinely oppose - attacking people because of the basis of any religion is wrong. That's what we're fighting against, so let's not make this political. Instead, let's try to point out the realities. Hollywood can be FOR Iran ---or--- it can be FOR gay rights. It can't be for both, QED. I'd love to tell Sean Penn this, but he wouldn't listen. It's -that- hypocricy that proves liberals wrong. Let's let them see the error of their own mistakes USING THEIR OWN TOOLS, like pointing out the very movies that keep Meryl Streep employed WOULD BE BANNED in the culture she's supporting when she speaks of allowing sharia law in the US.

  • April 12, 2009, 7 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Because that's what we had with Bush.

  • April 12, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback


  • April 12, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Happy Easter to the Troops!

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    It's really cool that you guys got to see the new "Star Trek." Oh, and as far as I'm concerned "I Want to Rock & Roll All Night and Party Every Day" is our National Anthem, and we owe it all to you for letting us do that in this country!

  • April 12, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    I like the guy, he's a fine actor, but he doesn't speak for all Libs. Not even close.

  • April 12, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Reluctant - thanks for reminding me -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    I want to send a BIG THANK YOU out to our troops for being willing to defend Talkbackers to protect their rights to express themselves. Heck, given the opposition's viewpoints, would we ever have a place where we could read a name like DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD?

  • April 12, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Where did you read that?

  • April 12, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Chaimbensexyback -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Actress Meryl Streep, who plays an authoritarian nun battling a “passionate liberal priest” (according to Newsweek) in the new film Doubt, told the Boston Herald on Sunday that the film is actually a metaphor for those who think the war on terror can be won with force. She argued: “It’s about someone who thinks you can control evildoers with force and a firm hand and an unrelenting, ‘We will not negotiate (with terrorists).’” There you go.

  • April 12, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Agh - Source for that, Chaim

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk The "there you go" was mine.

  • April 12, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    that Meryl Streep "speaks of allowing sharia law in the US"?

  • April 12, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    If you can't do the math on that ...

  • April 12, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    But since you said, "Meryl Streep ... speaks of allowing sharia law in the US" (your quote), I'd like to, well, read where she actually speaks about allowing sharia law in the U.S. <P> I mean, if you can't provide an example of where she does, I think you should retract your statement. Don't you?

  • April 12, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Meryl Streep has repeatedly said we ought to negotiate with terrorists, and she says the same thing there. These terrorists she speaks of have repeatedly said the ONLY negotiation they will accept is the surrender of the USA and the imposition of Sharia law. Therefore, if she doesn't believe we should use force (which the terrorists have said is the only thing they will utilize or recognize) and has said the only negotiation is the imposition of US sharia law, doesn't that MEAN that she is saying we SHOULD negotiate and enforce sharia law? Like I said, if you can't do the math ...

  • April 12, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    So Meryl Streep never really spoke of allowing Sharia Law in the U.S. Okay, glad we've established that. <P> Now, for the vast majority of Muslims in the world who oppose Sharia law, and are doing so through demonstrations and political opposition, and not violence, does this mean they support Sharia law? Sorry if I'm being difficult but I failed pretzel logic.

  • April 12, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Unclean, You Dumbshit...

    by Rebeck2

    Did you even read the Wikipedia page you linked? Fuckin' idiot. The very first instance in the birth of film was: "In 1878, under the sponsorship of Leland Stanford, Eadweard Muybridge successfully photographed a horse named "Sallie Gardner" in fast motion using a series of 24 stereoscopic cameras. The first experience successfully took place on June 11 at the Palo Alto farm in California with the press present. The cameras were arranged along a track parallel to the horse's, and each of the camera shutters was controlled by a trip wire which was triggered by the horse's hooves. They were 21 inches apart to cover the 20 feet taken by the horse stride, taking pictures at one thousandth of a second.[1]" Get that? In the US, you dumbass motherfucker. Besides which, Edison (ever heard that name?) invented the cameras that would CREATE AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY. I'm one of those commie Liberal Obama Democrats, but I am so FUCKING SICK of Europeans (mostly the Brits, let's face it) who quibble over the invention of the car, the internet, whatever. It's just such a lame bit of blatant anti-Americanism. No, we never did anything good - never invented or created anything. It's all a big lie! The Americans are crap! It turns out, The Wright Brothers weren't the first to was the Bob & Bill Shinyknob from Manchester. They beat Orville and Wibur by one week, but American PR stole it away from them! Oh shut the fuck up, you jingoistic twats. You were on the moon first too, weren't you? I knew it!!!

  • April 12, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    RE: National Anthem

    by OneBuckFilms

    ThusSpakespymunk, I had a complete brain fart and completely missed what your initial post was about. Please accept my apology. For some reason, I thought you were implying that the National Anthem was going against freedom of speech. Please place my post in the "Completely Idiotic" trash can.

  • April 12, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Benders Shiny Ass

    by Rebeck2

    Oh, and fuck you too! Read the same Wikipedia page. And if you think Americans suck, then here's a way to put your principles to work: Never again spend your good money on an American produced film. Go ahead. Show conviction to go with your ignorance. Not one more American movie - that'll show us. And...also open up your evenings considerably.

  • our country didn't do anything besides invade other countries evidentally

  • April 12, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Do I Think...

    by Rebeck2

    The national anthem should play before movies? No. Do I agree with the Iraq war? No. But I appreciate this soldier's service and thank him for it, and he wrote an excellent, intelligent review. I just hate these "brainwashed" anti-American dickheads who come on here and have this kneejerk reaction and jump all over a guy who seems to me pretty cool. It's fucking sad.

  • April 12, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST


    by Mike_D

    oh its true

  • April 12, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    A little explanation of where I stand.

    by OneBuckFilms

    I should clarify that I am very happy to see the film shown to the troops. The National Anthem is a tradition, and is not cheesy in any way. Althouhg I don't think it's necessary to have it played before every movie, it does serve to remind us of the importance of the National Anthem in affirming allegiance to America and it's freedoms and ideals. Sharia Law is an abomonation if ever one existed. The Movie Camera is an evolution of many ideas and inventions, many of which were created in the United States. In addition, Hollywood is the producer of the majority of motion pictures, and should be recognized for this.

  • April 12, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    I'm an evil socialist ...

    by DennisMM

    and I respect the people who accepted the responsibility they chose and went to the middle east to serve in an illegitimate war. You know who I also respect? The troops who walk away from stop-loss, disappearing or going to jail because they rightfully served out their enlistements. You know who I don't respect? The assholes who say, "I didn't sign up for war!" You're in the military, moron. What do you think you signed up for? The GI Bill and VA care are benefits, not the essence of being a soldier/sailor/marine. (And my dad did 28 years USAF, fought in two wars and spent the Cold War standing by with the hot nukes. So don't give me any shit.)

  • April 12, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Stupid worthless

    by cineninja

    basement dwelling acne infested ignorant socialist fucks. All you nutless sheep fuckers are real tough sitting there behind your moms keyboard talking shit about something you know nothing about. Bunch of fucking cowards trying to hide the fact that youre scared little panty wearing nobodys behind your ignorant statements. Its a MILITARY theater you douchebags. And YES we play the National Anthem. And for you stupid brain addled 'Europeans' talking shit you wouldnt even have your fucking countries if it wasnt for us you useless piles of pig shit. Fucking Euro Trash whining bitches. Why dont you ALL take your white napkins and move to France where you wont feel so self conscious about waving them. Fucking pussified little bitches. Fuck you and the worthless wombs that shit you out.

  • April 12, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Britain used to be a nice place.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Until the muslims took over.

  • April 12, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Sucks for America, now the President is one.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Cute dog though.

  • April 12, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Wow... cineninja...

    by DennisMM

    forget to take your antipsychotics?

  • April 12, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Spymunk you FN wackjob douche...

    by Kid Z

    ... if you can't figure out how to insert paragraph returns, don't post your nurbag, rightwing screeds here! In fact, this is a movie geek site, don't post them at all. Paranoid assfuck! On another note, all you good folks serving in the armed forces in Iraq & elsewhere, "Good Job!"

  • April 12, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    It aint cool...check out twitch

    by cant_stop_yawning

    I've just started checking out and it is bar better than this site. Wish I had discovered it sooner.

  • April 12, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by Horace Cox

    Two points...<p> 1.) I don't think anyone has a problem with the Anthem playing in a theater on a military base. It never bothered me when I served, although I usually went to see movies outside the base because the selection was infinitely better. However, I find it totally unnecessary to play the Anthem in civilian theaters which are privately owned and operated. It's not a special event. Just show the movie and some trailers. That's what I'm there for.<p> 2.) We would have lost the Revolutionary War if France had not supported us with money, troops, weapons, and training. Ever been to Washington DC and wondered why so many things are named after Lafayette?<p> The French also engaged the British navy on our behalf which among other things challenged a clear British superiority, ran blockades, kept harbors open, and ultimately cut off Cornwallis' escape route in Yorktown leading to his eventual surrender. By the way, Washington wanted to attack New York but the French commander Rochambeau persuaded him that attacking such a well defended position was too risky, and that an attack farther south in Virginia had a greater chance for success. Good thing Washington listened because we won and ended the war.<p> Perhaps you missed that chapter in American history, or perhaps you are just an ignorant chest thumping flag waving ass. I'll assume the latter. But don't let facts get in the way of your infantile xenophobic rantings. Your profound ignorance is only matched by your eagerness to flaunt it.

  • April 12, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Kid Z -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    The posts you seem to think are "nutbag, right wing screeds" are simply quotations from fascists. While I'll agree with you that fascists are nutbag right-wingers, I disagree that all right-wingers are nutbags or fascists.

  • April 12, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Wow; Horace that was far too mature and balanced for this lot

    by toadkillerdog

    But it was very well said. I found no reason to interject into the childish and jingoistic rantings of some of incredibly ill-informed posters above - kind of pointless really. But still I thought your post deserved a comment. <p> I too served, and I too avoided most of the movies on the base because they were invariably out of date - with one excption. I remember seeing The Terminator only 6 mos after it was released!

  • April 12, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Troops in the Mid-East: The Voyage Home....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I would like to see that rather than tying to appease them with a movie...

  • April 12, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    The Fuck-tards of AICN come out talking about Muslims....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    As a Muslim, I would clearly urge those reasonable people who browse this TB not to listen to the morons spreading misinformation about Islam...

  • April 12, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Darfur -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    I respect and admire Muslim people for standing up for themselves and speaking out against the evil attitudes of extremists. However, I am curious to hear your opinion about some of the posts I have put up here, since you're speaking out as a Muslim. In all honesty and sincerity, what are your thoughts on those issues? Are these voices I have quoted in any way representative of anybody but themselves?

  • April 12, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Edith Cavell:

    by MotherPussBucket

    I realise that patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone.

  • April 12, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    i believe

    by frank cotton

    that 'ressurection of STAR TREK' is the phrase you were after. unless the apocalypse is under way (i could have slept thru it)

  • April 12, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST


    by brobdingnag

    That was then, this is now. The French are our enemies now. But then you knew that.

  • April 12, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Suddenly Harry likes the US

    by brobdingnag

    2 years ago he would never have posted this. If anything he would have been calling the guy an murdering baby killer.

  • April 12, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Wow.........This TB is about Star Trek?

    by Mundungus

    Why so Serious? <p> I'll chime in anyway, I've liked what I've seen of ST so far. The shots of the Enterprise(?) being built off in the hazy distance from pastoral landscape is at once iconic and inspiring. The aerial action shots look great as well. The only thing I'm worried about is whether Kirk is going to be portrayed too cartoonishly like some Cowboy\Rebel Maverick who can get away with being a complete ass because he looks like Adonis and is the best at everything. The few snippits of new Kirk that I've seen sort of point that way, but it amounts to about 30 seconds of material that can't be wholly revealing.

  • April 12, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    National Anthem Before Films

    by edgreen86

    The Anthem is played on *military* bases before the film. Military members are required by the UCMJ to render proper respect to the Anthem, which indoors means rising out of your seat. Everyone else can relax. There are no commercial theaters doing that, and even if they were, you can all sit on your big fat asses and mock any and everything you wish. And, as a bonus, you can let someone else fight for you freedoms.

  • April 12, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    "you can let someone else fight for you freedoms" --<p> I know a lot of civilians who are fighting for our freedoms. But I don't see how the military is currently (or in living memory, for that matter) fighting for our freedoms (given that, e.g., our freedom has never been in any danger from the people of Iraq). On the contrary, government power tends to expand during wartime, making us less free.

  • April 12, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST


    by Horace Cox

    Maybe you should call the State Department and the DoD since you obviously know something they do not.

  • April 13, 2009, 12:29 a.m. CST

    We don't have the anthem, but we do have...

    by hypermaug

    a music video about kid rock telling us to join the Army, and to be a warrior, and for Dale Earnhartd Jr. to go real fast.

  • April 13, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Yeah, actually I'd rather have the anthem than that shit.

  • April 13, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST


    by edgreen86

    Well, first, living memory has to include the people (military and civilain) who fought in WWII - but hey, let's forget that piece of history. But, you'll have some reason to ignore that thing. What have you done, you yourself?

  • April 13, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST


    by erykthedead

    Yeah, grandfather will be happy to know he wasn't fighting for our freedom at Normandy, he so enjoyed that Christmas in Bastogne, and it's not like the we haven't helped the French out a time or two since 1776. This entire Talk Back is just sick. Harry still in the chair? What do weigh now? I'm down 75.

  • April 13, 2009, 1:03 a.m. CST

    edgreen86 & erykthedead

    by berserkrl

    What are you talking about? Are you seriously claiming that the U.S. was in danger of being conquered during WWII? I don't think you'll find many historians who'll go along with you on that one.

  • April 13, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Plus, if the U.S. hadn't intervened in WW One, there never would have been a WW Two. Without the U.S. in WW One, the Allies would have asked for a negotiated settlement rather than the Versailles treaty. Hence, no Hitler. Likewise, without Chennault & the Flying Tigers -- no Pearl Harbor.

  • April 13, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST


    by edgreen86

    My fault - I forgot the rule about feeding trolls. Enjoy your world.

  • April 13, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    In other words, you have no argument, only insults. Thanks for confirming that. Au revoir.

  • April 13, 2009, 2 a.m. CST


    by Toonol

    I'd absolutely support the anthem before movies. We have it before sporting events, and sports are far more stupid and trite than movies.

  • April 13, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    can anyone believe bruce willis actually postd here?

    by Prossor

    i mean walter b, he has the fucking account. i wonder why he doesn't post with it anymore?

  • April 13, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    The anthem already plays in front of some movies.

    by otm shank

    Porn movies.<p> God Bless America!

  • April 13, 2009, 5:50 a.m. CST


    by redfist

    I dont know if anyone has called this guy out, but I love how the film Doubt being a medophor to the GWOT, denoted that Meryl Streep supports Shria Law within the USA. <P> WHAT. THE. FUCK. <p> Allow me to say to you now...and forever, GET THE FUCK OFF MY INTERNET.

  • April 13, 2009, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Rebeck2 and Mike_D are such cocktards

    by CorpseRide

    That page you're so hot to quote? Click on the guy's name. He's fricking English, dude! Born England, died England. <p>Oh, but he made his movie in the US, that's what you're saying? No, he shot a series of sequential photographs in the US. Not a movie. He came up with the idea of projecting them onto a wall later. And just to re-iterate, he was British. <p>Sorry to school you so hard, but you were basically doing the talkback equivalent of rolling around on the ground with your tongues hanging out, roaring with ignorance. Thanks.

  • April 13, 2009, 6:23 a.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    As long as I'm part of the Sharia. For once I would like to be the oppressor, instead of the oppressed. Bring it!

  • April 13, 2009, 6:34 a.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    As a Jew, I gladly join you in the Resistance against ignorance. Salaam Baleikum.

  • April 13, 2009, 7 a.m. CST

    Black Smoke? OMG! The Smoke Monster's in Kuwait!

    by DKT

    Was I really the first one to think this?

  • April 13, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Let's see, the USA is...

    by Kid Z

    ... a country founded on secularism, with a Christian population of about 90+%. Yeah, we're in a lot of danger of becoming a Muslim state, "Chipmunk". Idiot.

  • April 13, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Can we maybe discuss Star Trek?

    by Kid Z

    Just maybe?

  • April 13, 2009, 7:16 a.m. CST

    And I'm in a rant kinda mood here...

    by Kid Z

    ...Goddammit we're talking about an event on a military base. Something worked up to bring a little entertainment into the lives of our troops so they could forget about their stressful jobs for a couple of hours. They get a chance to hang out with the stars and see a big Hollywood movie before everyone back home. One of them was kind enough to post a preview here and what happens when he and his friends and comrades check in to see the post? Chipmunk and his Free Republic mental dwarves have turned the Talkback into Glen Beck's blog. Assholes!

  • April 13, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST


    by Dataset

    Singing a national anthem before a Star Trek movie is the antitheses of everything Star Trek stands for. Only when there is a human culture, not sniveling left wing "multi-culture" will there be peace. Market economy with humanistic socialism is the brightest hope for our future. So when any rightist claims Obama is putting us on the road to socialism, ask where the fast lane is. Socialism is not unAmerican. It is what got us out of a Depression and caused the economic prosperity of the 50's. Do you really like needing two incomes to survive? Do you like myth and legend being taught as science in your schools? The left always wins in the end. A modern, market driven economy can only prosper with socialism working for the individual. You may have to pay more taxes, and many programs may fail, but as long as the goal remains we will be better off as a species.

  • April 13, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Fuck the Troops

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Jesus Christ, what a martial fucking society we have when we expend so much effort worshiping fucking killing machines - which is what soldiers are. Soldiers are, quite literally, tools of the state and they're sent off to protect rich people's property all over the world. That's the point of an empire. I would have a little bit of sympathy for them if they weren't consciously part of such a terrible thing as the war in Iraq. Fuck 'em. How about we show the Trek movie to some of the people who's houses/lives/kids our Glorious Soldiers have destroyed? Oh and why would I give a fuck what a lunkhead soldier thinks of this movie? I'm sure he fucking loved it.

  • April 13, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Notes from Baghdad

    by ThisIsTheCaptainSpeaking

    I'm currently in Baghdad, so I didn't get to see the screening. Which is fine. Klytus, I serve so you can say everything you just posted. It's not that I "allow" it or somehow "provide" it, I just defend it. I don't care if you call me a "tool of the state" either, be it on this site or to my face. I really don't. As long as you don't show up to spit on me at the airport, I couldn't care two shits. As far as the Nat'l Anthem, others have said it. I raised my right hand so I do it. You, just as the cast and crew of Star Trek, do not have to. When you go to almost any sporting event, you have the same freedom to stand and sing or not. I choose to; you can do the same...or not.

  • April 13, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Fuk you Klytus - You Motarded piece of sleestak shit!

    by Liberal_Warrior

    You wanted a response, well you got one buckwheat. You want to rock and roll with the Warrior? Bring it!

  • April 13, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    I'd gladly watch the National Anthem before movies...

    by mraig

    ...if it meant I didn't have to watch twenty minutes of commercials. You go in and they're playing a continuous loop with a young idiot in a brightly colored shirt with too much product in his hair promoting shit TV shows and music. <P> Then the "movie" starts and we get to see a Coke commercial, a car commercial, and a "join the Army" commercial (my favorite Army commercial ever was the one that cut between a country music singer, a bunch of racecar drivers, and the Army). <P> Then we get to see eight trailers--two movies I actually want to see, two lowest common denominator grossout comedies, two Written By An Algorithm romantic comedies, two Written by an Algorithm horror movies, one Written by an Algorithm political thriller, and one family comedy starring a comedian who was funny in the seventies or eighties. <P> Then, on to the actual movie--preceded, of course, by the clever animated logos from the seven studios and production companies responsible for making the film. So, yeah, I'd sit through the National Anthem if I got to skip that. <P> Also: what's the deal with airplane food?

  • April 13, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Socialism is unAmerican

    by natecore

    "There is not the least doubt in the mind of any HONEST person who has studied the record, that the preponderance of people who framed and ratified the Constitution intended to form a more perfect Union "for the United States of America," not to establish a United State, a sovereign national power." -Clyde Wilson

  • April 13, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    Smack a Motard day came early this year

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Because we have some seriously Motarded dick swizzles in here that need to be smacked. Starting with Klytus

  • April 13, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST


    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    So, uh, what's your reasoned response to what I said? Why do you think I'm wrong?

  • April 13, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST


    by redfist

    Isn't that Jumbo Shrimp? <P>

  • April 13, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST


    by redfist

    You are as wrong as 2 boys in a sleeping bag. If someone has to retort to the reasons in your post why you are a fucking idiot, you are an ever more colossal idiot then you display to be. <P> Now get the fuck off my internet.

  • April 13, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    You're about to become the new Coughlins on this board. The pile on will be swift and overwhelming. An avalanche from both sides.

  • April 13, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Klytus ------ You Fool.

    by dioxholster

    u are such a fool u know that. what a foolish thing to say there, ur brain is the size of one of my balls, and you right now think u are teabaging us with ur brain but guess what, u are just dipping that brain of yours into a a pile of automated chainsaws that are waiting to consume that hybrid brain/balls thing that you are so proud of. the troops are doing more for their country, and for their family and their people, than your tired old rant. think for a second, or i'll come over to trash whatever runs your head.

  • April 13, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Klytus - Not supporting the war is one thing- but disparaging th

    by Liberal_Warrior

    means the warrior is about to tear you a new one, you twice fukked piece of diseased camel shit! How fukken motarded do you have to be not to see the difference between a soldier doing there sworn duty and a government who puts them in harms way? Disagree with the war but not the people who are asked to fight it. Do yourealy think they want to be over there? Do you really think they wake up singing God bless America and thinking 'hey we are freeing the world'. Is that what you think it means to be in the service? Why dont you fukken try and talk to someone who has been in before you talk out of your black rhino raped asshole! Killing machines? What fukken shangri la, utopian butt fukked fantasy land are you living in? Have you ever fukken even met a someone in the military or do you just play Doom? And don't fukken tell me that there is no need for the armed forces, because if you did I'm sure you must like the taste of borscht or wienerschnitzel or sheep guts. I don't reason with motards like you, because if all you can do is make moronic statements - then you don't deserve any 'reasoned' response. <p> But now you are on the Warriors list of Motarded Muthafuks.

  • April 13, 2009, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Wonder what plan of action...

    by mrfan

    Klytus has next. Morons like this just like to babble and ramble on.

  • April 13, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    We need Sharia law in the talkbacks.

  • April 13, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I'd rather they bring back the news reel

    by Shepard Wong

    before films than play the anthem. It would add a nice nostalgic to the theater experience.

  • April 13, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    The new album by Liberal_Warrior hits iTunes tomorrow.

  • April 13, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    That just came to me. Wish it had come during the Milk talkbacks, but better late than never.

  • April 13, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    That should have said: Do not disparage troops

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Fukken motarded Klytus needs the explaination

  • April 13, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    My mama didn't raise no motard!

  • April 13, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    You must be BSB

    by Liberal_Warrior

    You 'sound' just like him

  • April 13, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    And the message is ... Praise Bale!

  • April 13, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    ChaimBenSexyback: Agreed :)

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Ignorance needs to be fought against. On a serious note, how did you come to receive The Message? What is a burning Bale on the mountainside?

  • April 13, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Because I had always been looking at the light, but not knowing that the light is too fucking distracting. The message just strolled all dah dah dah into my brain, and I finally understood, after many years of not fucking understanding. It was at that moment that I said, Oh Good! I'm no longer an amateur! And that - that's the first step towards being a professional. Spread the good word, Darf!!

  • April 13, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Everybody needs to calm the fuck down

    by D.Vader

    Stop insulting people who don't know that the invention of film, the motion picture, and the motion-picture public showing was an international collaboration among different people who took others' successes and built upon it. <p> NO ONE KNOWS THAT SHIT unless they took a course in film (which this author states he did NOT) or Wikipedia'd it like some of you now-enlightened folk did. <p> But I guess you feel all big and bad insulting a "commoner" for not knowing the history of something he claimed to not be experienced with in the first place. <p>

  • April 13, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Spymunk, no one will read that shit unless...

    by D.Vader

    You put some damn paragraph breaks in there!

  • April 13, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Klytus, you really must be an idiot if dioxholster is against yo

    by D.Vader

    I'm completely surprised you made such an idiot statement as "fuck the troops". Even 90% of the liberals in the country wouldn't be so moronic to say something like that.

  • April 13, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Why did you change your name? Were you banned? I don't even know how to pronounce it.

  • April 13, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    At least liberals can use punctuation properly.

  • April 13, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    I think he changed it during an argument with someone

    by D.Vader

    It was some argument with someone else over Israel or some anti-semitic. I don't recall, but BSB created the new account and then spent a good portion of a TB talking to himself with the new names. <p> I and some others warned of a potential banning for, in essence, "spamming" the TB, so he stopped. I don't think BSB got banned for it, but I've only seen CBSB lately. Maybe he likes the new name better?

  • April 13, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    CorpseRide, You Fucking Idiot

    by Rebeck2

    Click on the other name, asshole, Leland Stanford was American. So it was a Brit and Yank working together in the US. Happy now, schmuck? And sequential photographs ARE the beginning of motion pictures, or didn't you ever flip the pages of a book? Yeah, you're a genius, you schooled us. As has been said, there were obviously a lot of people that contributed to film from different countries, but there is no arguing that American filmmaking became the dominant influence throughout the world for the next 100+ years. No bullshit revisionism is going to change that.

  • April 13, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    "Socialism" has two meanings, just as "capitalism" does. In one set of senses, "socialism" means government control of the economy while "capitalism" means a free market. In that sense, socialism is what CAUSED the Great Depression (i.e. Federal Reserve tampering with interest rates, thus creating bubbles -- just like now). Also in that sense, despite its public rhetoric, socialism tends to be pro-big-business at the expense of the little guy, and most government intervention has had the effect ofgiving businesses special privileges and subsidies. That's why the corporate elite is terrified of free markets and the prospect of having to face unfettered competition (which is also why most supposedly anti-big-business economic regulation over the past 150 years was vigorously lobbied for by big business). In that sense, I'm a capitalist and against socialism.<p>BUT there's another sense of those terms, a sense in which "capitalism" stands for the power of big business while "socialism" stands for worker control of industry. Since government intervention against the free market is the main factor propping up the corporate elite and shafting workers, in that sense I'm a socialist and against capitalism.<p>The confusion over these meanings tends to benefit the ruling class. Those who favour capitalism in the sense of free markets get tricked into supporting handouts for corporations; they become tools of the state-corporate Right. Those who favour socialism in the sense of worker empowerment get tricked into supporting regulatory intervention like the New Deal (which served the interests of the corporate elite by cartelising the economy and co-opting the labour movement); they become tools of the state-corporate Left. The existing system is one in which big government and big business cooperate -- not always without tension, since each would prefer to be the dominant partner in the relationship (which is what squabbles between the state-corporate Left and and the state-corporate Right are about), but always united against the rest of us.<p>For the evidence for these claims, see

  • April 13, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    It's pronounced "Khhhkkhhhkkkhhhhhkkkhhhhime", and D. Vader was pretty right. AS BSB I was arguing with the infamous AnimalBraneRowdyRoddyStriper, and he was holding up Chaim Ben Pesach, a filthy domestic terrorist who bombed Lincoln Center, as some kind of fucking hero. Brane was rightly and swiftly banned but not before I took on this moniker. I'm still BSB, just too lazy to log out and log back in. hehe

  • April 13, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    I was going to go on an epic rant against Klytus

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Right before force feeding him Dulcolax and prune juice and then shoving his head up his ass, but I see Lib Warrior and BSB have everything under control. Carry on, gentlemen.

  • April 13, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I Wonder

    by perromaldito

    what it must have been like for Bana (australian), and Pegg (Brit) to show the film to a foreign army, and salute their flag and tend to the needs of foreign troops as if they were their own people

  • April 13, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I love it!!

    by skydemon

    That was pure joy to read. HUGE Kudos to JJ, the cast, and Paramount for doing this for our troops. Our troops absolutely deserve no less for the job they do for all of us everyday. Thanks for putting this up for the rest of us to enjoy Harry. Star Trek sounds like a hell of a lot of fun, I can't freaking wait to see it myself.

  • April 13, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST



    any political views expressed about anything in this talkback will make ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE to ANYONE nor will it CHANGE ANYONE'S OPINION... so GIVE IT UP. In the same vein you could also say; any view about STAR TREK will make ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE to ANYONE nor will it CHANGE ANYONE'S OPINION... so GIVE IT UP. *sigh* this is all pointless and a waste of everyone's time. Why am I even posting?

  • April 13, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    If I ever get a first in a talkback...

    by Toonol

    I think I'll post the first stanza of the national anthem. That should ensure that the talkback is completely derailed from that on.

  • April 13, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    There is NO WAY

    by BendersShinyAss

    Any population is 90% + christian. Not even in churches.

  • April 13, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST


    by Morte_Bea_Arthur

    Amen, Brother

  • April 13, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    You've convinced me that no one is ever convinced by anything said in talkbacks! <p>If you were Captain Kirk and I were a computer, I would have to explode now.

  • April 13, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by Don_Logan

    I'll tell you a congregation that's MORE than 90%, one that, by faith, can actually become more than 100% Christian (boggles the mind, doesn't it?): BALE. believe, or prepare to have your lights trashed. what DON'T you fucking understand?

  • April 13, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by JRyanH

    Lots of anti-Americans on this board. Doesn't really bother me. We are not a perfect country by any means. But how can an American pick up a history book and not be proud of so many things this country has done? It's not brainwashing, it's just facts. So when I see some dumb-shit whining about how evil America is, I just laugh and realize that person is obviously ignorant, or brainwashed themselves.

  • April 13, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    By "America" do you mean "the American government"? Because when people complain about what "America" has done, they're usually complaining about what the American *government* has done. But this country was founded in a revolution, man! Skepticism and hostility toward government power isn't "anti-American," it's the essence of Americanism.

  • April 13, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    RA RA

    by Hasselhoffflying

    gee isn't that special...rtards

  • April 13, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    the thing about Americans is...

    by Don_Logan

    most are spoiled by free speech. also, most are sheep. i hate to bring this up and start another TB war, but as a "for instance", look at Obama's campaign, and the people that immediately jumped on the bandwagon before even hearing what the man had to say. he ran a BRILLIANT marketing scheme. of COURSE people wanted "change". yeah, things got REALLY fucked up over the past few years. but, in case no one noticed, it became "cool" to become a follower. all of the asshole movie stars and rock stars came out of the woodwork to toss their unwanted opinions behind Mr. Obama. and the herd followed. don't get me wrong, i wish the man the best, and hope that he can turn things around. my point is, we all have the right to say whatever we want, which IS a great freedom to have, BUT, i feel that some (not naming names, just scroll up for a bit) should have their mouths sewn shut and doused with lemon juice for the simple reason that they don't think about things before they speak. they don't factor in all of the parts of an equation (families of soldiers, DEAD soldiers, etc.)before rattling off something offensive to men and women who are performing a duty which they signed up for. i know for a fact that many of them likely don't feel that we entered into a war that was COMPLETELY just, but, they did what they swore to do, and for anyone to just log in here and begin hurling insults at them is beyond ignorant. that is the type of person who hides behind a keyboard, and if/when it really came down to it, would never, EVER have the audacity to look military personnel in the eyes and tell them to go "fuck themselves". McG, do YOU have something to say to this prick?

  • April 13, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by Harold-Sherbort

    Sure!! I love Radiohead!!

  • April 13, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Black Smoke...

    by robert.thekilled


  • April 13, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I took no part in ranting against Klytus, knowing that an onslaught by others was inevitable. Lib Warrior stated his case beautifully.

  • April 13, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Religious Debate=Flames on Optimus Prime

    by chetedawg

    Hows this for a starter, you people arguing for christianity are a bunch of bigots with no real answer so you go to A BOOK and claim its real and back up all your actions with said book. JESUS IS A FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION. SHEEP.

  • April 13, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Amen. Soon, everyone will be a Baliever, whether they want it or not. It is not an option. Amateurism will be a thing of the past. This is a new beginning. This is Year Zero.

  • April 13, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape

    by ominus

  • April 13, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    A motion picture is pure american invention?

    by ominus

    jesus h. christ. <p>and i am sure, u believe that u were natives in america and not the offsprings of european immigrants and african slaves.

  • April 13, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by theycallmemrtibbs

  • April 13, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Wow..not touching this talkback with a ten-foot Pole...

    by Bones

    If you ever wanted to know how much "Anti-American" and "Flag-Waving National Zealotry" there is, just read this talkback.<p> Of course the soldier is going to feel good while singing the National Anthem--and enjoy the sense of comradship and family the military characters of Star Trek feel--he is a soldier and is away from home, doing what he feels he must in service to his country.<p> Most people in this talkback could not hack it as a soldier, for any country--we are too opinionated and fat for starters--let alone any of us follow the chain of command. The real story isn't that he sang the national anthem, while serving with other soldiers--the story is that he liked the movie.<p> Abrams and his group are very very smart at marketing this film.<p> Here's hoping it is actually good--and also works as a Star Trek film.

  • April 13, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I guess I did touch it..

    by Bones

    ...Not like that, you dirty monkeys...

  • April 13, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    The real story is that this world is going to hell

    by ominus

  • April 13, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    There are troops in the Middle East?

    by Sithdan

    I didn't get the memo...

  • April 13, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Sector_11374265, don't forget the Burger King

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    And to the rest: no, I don't think the troops are defending my right to say this. Grow the fuck up - they're defending rich elites and their interests.

  • April 13, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Yeah right Klytus...

    by morGoth

    ...which "rich elite" are we defending in Afghanistan...the Taliban and their opium trade?<p> Soldiers swear an oath to defend the constitution, and by extension, all the amandements...including the First, the right to free speech.<p>I have to ask, are you from the US or elswhere?

  • April 13, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    hey, Klytus...

    by Don_Logan

    curious...when Michael Moore was through filling you out like an application, what was his post-coital meal? and did YOU have to serve it, or was it prepared buffet style? now, reapeat after me: "BAAAAAAA, BAAAAAAA!" punk.

  • April 13, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Wait, they made it to Kuwait?

    by ganda1f

    There was a preview showing here in Auckland (which I was lucky enough to attend) on Thursday the 9th with Chris Pine, Zach Quinto, Karl Urban and the Almighty Cho. They must be seriously racking up the miles to have made it to the Middle East only a couple of days later. Oh, and it was a good film. Not mind-blowingly awesome, and it borrows heavily from Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the new Battlestar Galactica, but it was enjoyable and fast in a way Star Trek has never really tried to be.

  • April 13, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    BUT, don't repeat my spelling errors. FUCK!

    by Don_Logan

  • April 13, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    I understand that my posts enrage many of you

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    And fortunately that means nothing to me. I do wonder, though: do you think your invective-filled responses are in any way a refutation of what I've said? I don't take back or regret what I've said, by the way. I just wonder how "I'm gonna fuck you in the ASS!!" type responses translate into some kind of reasoned (or reasonable) response. I guess they're not meant to be, right?

  • April 13, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Trek Hype

    by Magnum Opus

    It's funny to see how film geeks on sites like this are foaming at the mouth for Star Trek, while it's just a minor blip on the summer movie radar for the rest of the country. I suppose the fact that the Trek franchise has always been fairly nerd-centric should make this no surprise, but it is a pretty big production from a Name producer, yet doesn't seem to have generated much interest in the general public. I'll be there opening night, but I bet the theater won't be close to full.

  • April 13, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Too bad Obamanation is a FUCKIN LIAR..

    by conspiracy

    or these fine folks could be watching it at home with their least those that Barak didn't send to the meatgrinder in Afghanistan.</p><p>I guess once he got in the big house, and bailed out the folks who helped get him elected...the old Bush 18 month time line looked juuuuuuust fine, as did expanding the war in Afghanistan and bringing it further into Pakistan. need to keep ALL those campaign promises once you are elected. President of Peace..."He's gonna change the world"....Hahahhahahahahahaha! SUckers.

  • April 13, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST


    by skydemon

    Get the fuck out of my country! NOW FUCKER, LEAVE!!!

  • April 13, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    So many vile pieces of shit...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...have infected this site over the last year or so. Too bad.

  • April 13, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    I apologize for my vileness

    by skydemon

    But that anti-American garbage makes me very upset. And pushing lies about our Country makes it worse. I will not let that go without saying something dammit!

  • April 13, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST


    by Prossor

    This site has been a neverending swirling shitstorm, like Jupiter'sr red spot, only it's a brown spot. you have to form a zen about it and then you become "the One" where you don't look at the feces covering ou but instead look at the beauty of nature. or some shit. BIATCH.

  • April 13, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Because despite our faults, we are the most professional nation on the planet. <P> T-minus 10 minutes to Dancing With The Stars, people. Look sharp.

  • April 13, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Don't worry. The Professionals have already begun cleaning up the place. The foul stench of amateurism will be a thing of the past.

  • April 13, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST



  • April 13, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    The problem isn't the basis of what you said - because one of the biggest critics (along the lines of what you said) of the historical role of our armed forces happens to be an ex-general himself. I forget his name but I'll post it when I find it. <P> It's the fact that you are generalizing way out of line. I think you must realize that, just from reading the replies, as harsh as they can be. There are so many honorable men and women in the US armed forces, have you not heard their voices, ever? How can you lump the vast majority good in with the tiny minority bad? <P>

  • April 13, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST


    by Don_Logan

    waddup, Danny.

  • April 13, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    And soon, by the grace of Bale, we will take over the world. <P> Bale on high, hear our prayers!

  • April 13, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Brother Logan. Good to see you.


  • April 13, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Lib War!

    by toadkillerdog

    Good to 'see' you again dude! Thanks for fighting the good fight against the motards.

  • April 13, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Like I figured...Klytus is just a troll.

    by morGoth

    Who's enraged...besides you?

  • April 13, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST


    by toadkillerdog

    Or should I call you Ming? You request a reasoned response to your thoroughly unreasonable and unbalanced rant. You got what you deserved from Lib War and others, and probably got off better than you deserve. I have seen some of the warriors more infamous and funnier rip jobs - and you got off light. <p> Be that as it may, here is your reasoned response from a former U.S.M.C. non-com. I do not consider myself some robotic unfeeling, uncaring, ill-informed point and shoot 'killing machine'. I volunteered for the Corps. I was and remain damn proud of my time in it. Most of the men and women I served with are honorable decent, and very normal Americans who joined for a variety of reasons. Some to see the world. Some for adventure. Some to get money for school. Some to escape. Some out of an intense sense of patriotism. No matter why we joined, we were all Marines. Mostly good people who did not join to kill people, but were fully aware that it may have been called for.<p> When you are in a firefight, you are not thinking about the flag. You are not thinking about why you are here, or who sent you. You are not singing the battle hymn. No. When you are in a firefight, the most important person in your life, and the only person or thing you are fighting for, is the man standing next to you. Because he is the only one who is going to get you home safe. And you damn better believe he is feeling the same thing. That is where the brotherhood is formed. That is what Semper Fi means. <p> There have been unjust and ill-conceived wars and military actions throughout mans history. And you can debate them until the cows come home. But a well armed and well trained and restrained military has kept this country and its freedoms safe. You can quibble all you want, but do you really think that if America had no military 70 years ago, that we would be free today? You really think the Germans would have said, 'ach leave dem alone'. Or if the Russians had somehow prevailed - which they would not have, but lets say they did, do you think Stalin would have said 'Let them be'. Or that the Japanese would have stopped at Hawaii? <p> Freedom is not always a linear line, but it is one that is clearly defined. You have yours because those 'killing machines' you denigrate fought to maintain it. No they did not do it for you or some ideal - although quite a few did join to fight for that, but most of them found out that no mater the cause, you are fighting for the man standing next to you - so you can get home. <p>Marines and soldiers have not changed in thousands of years. But you did benefit from it. So you must be one of the rich elite. Or just a very lucky, if ill-informed free American.

  • April 13, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST


    by ChaimBenSexyback

    True blue.

  • April 13, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by Liberal_Warrior


  • April 13, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by Liberal_Warrior

    Monkey Shit.

  • April 13, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    Klytus, I hope you don't attempt to raise your head back up in this talkback. Best to just swallow your pride and back out. Stick to TBs about movies. <p> 'Cause YOU <p> just <p> got<p> SERVED!!!

  • April 13, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    has anyone seen this?

    by StrokerX

  • April 13, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    That review was really sappy....

    by TheWaqman

    and fucking annoying. I think I threw up when I read the last paragraph. I don't support the troops, but I'm not against them either. Because "supporting the troops" means you have to support their cause. And it wouldn't make sense to do one without the other. But anyways this guy who sent in the review was pretty annoying. He should have cut that last paragraph out, and also all the other bullshit "American cinema, American invention, blah blah" out. It would have been a pretty good writeup then.

  • April 13, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST


    by Mike_D

    oh its true

  • April 14, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    "...a purely American invention and pastime such as a motion pic

    by ironburl

    Ever heard of the Lumière Brothers, Eadweard Muybridge, Étienne-Jules Marey, Ottomar Anschütz? I guess not.

  • April 14, 2009, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Leland Stanford was interested in horses, not movies

    by ironburl

    Muybridge was responsible for all of the photography. Edison capitalized on others' work in cinematography, but to act like he invented it, or worse, that Leland Stanford, the lawyer, invented it, is silly.

  • April 14, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Lol @ MikeD

    by CorpseRide

    Rebeck2, on the other hand, is a true dingbat.... Yeah, who designed the setup and took the photos, brainiac? Yep, the British guy. He was 'sponsored' by the other guy, whose only interest was to get one - one! - photo of a horse with all four hooves off the ground. That's all the American wanted, and he put up the cash to get it. <p>Plus, love how the British guy taking sequential photos - and publishing them as such, in a BOOK - is now an American 'inventing movies'.<p> Good work Einstein, you've lowered the smarts level of a talkback, not many can claim such a thing.

  • April 14, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST


    by Rebeck2

    And the British film industry has THRIVED ever since! Today, it's six movies a year are truly the biggest attractions in the world! You're not a little insecure, are you? Not overcompensating at all. The Brits did it all! God save the queen!

  • April 14, 2009, 5:31 a.m. CST

    This pretty much sums up my thoughts on America

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Thanksgiving Prayer by William Burroughs:<p> Thanks for the wild turkey and the passenger pigeons, destined to be shit out through wholesome American guts.<p> Thanks for a continent to despoil and poison.<p> Thanks for Indians to provide a modicum of challenge and danger.<p> Thanks for vast herds of bison to kill and skin leaving the carcasses to rot.<p> Thanks for bounties on wolves and coyotes.<p> Thanks for the American dream, To vulgarize and to falsify until the bare lies shine through.<p> Thanks for the KKK.<p> For nigger-killin' lawmen, feelin' their notches.<p> For decent church-goin' women, with their mean, pinched, bitter, evil faces.<p> Thanks for "Kill a Queer for Christ" stickers.<p> Thanks for laboratory AIDS.<p> Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs.<p> Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business.<p> Thanks for a nation of finks.<p> Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!<p> You always were a headache and you always were a bore.<p> Thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest of human dreams.

  • April 14, 2009, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Why did Shatner get the shaft?

    by BatPsycho

  • April 14, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST


    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    I doubt you'll find a receptive audience for that poem here. But I've always liked it.

  • April 14, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    You are a tool.<p> I preface this by saying that Burroughs was a literary genius. But he was a moral idiot of the highest order.<p> Apparently you know nothing of world history...and that which you think you do disturbs your leisure and forces upon you hard truths about the tragic complexity of life, truths you would rather forget about. You prefer to think we can live in a world where no one has to die ever. You resort to a material calculus that prevents any action which is not cheap, fast, and nearly cost-free.<p> You live in a cozy world. Cocooned in comfort and freedom, you can afford the luxury of doubting or even despising your own culture and it's ideals even as you enjoy their benefits, masking that hypocritical self-loathing behind nuanced analysis... but really standing for nothing. Nurtured in prosperity and freedom, you indulge a fashionable cultural relativism that prohibits the belief that the culture and values creating your freedom and prosperity are superior to ones which do not.<p> United States is history's greatest success story, for it grants to the greatest number of the most diverse peoples the most freedom and prosperity ever enjoyed by human beings. <p> This is not some "rah rah USA" bullshit. It is an empirical fact.<p> This was addressed to you but is easily applicable to any number of the other pseudo-intellectual worms reading this who post similar tripe. As always, it is my pleasure to bring the beat down.

  • April 14, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    That was a pretty heavy-duty inference from one poem the guy posted. One of the complaints that many people have about the US is not that it is on the level of or worse than any other nation - it is that the US started with such a high-minded ideology that it has since betrayed. It's about a wasted potential. I can't remember where I read this but I've heard that conservatives love the US the way a 4 year old loves mommy: mommy can do no wrong and is the greatest mommy in the world! Liberals often love the US the way an adult loves their mother: mom has a great heart and often tries to do the best by me, but she is ultimately a flawed being who makes mistakes and those mistakes should be considered and analyzed. I admit, this paints with a broad brush (we are on an AICN talkback, after all) but I think there's something to it. I wonder if someone's ever done a sociological study to see if conservatives tend to come from rigid, patriarchal families. I would suspect they are. Look around you at this country - is this REALLY the best we can do? Of course not. Why? Well it is at least partially because of our (I say OUR, I don't exempt myself) legacy of slavery, pillaging and exclusion. For every example of "we are the freest nation (whatever that means - it's different for everyone)" I could give you an example of the mistakes America has made and the people it has (and sometimes, still does) exclude(d).

  • April 14, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Oh and I don't think I buy all of Burroughs' assertions

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Particularly the "laboratory AIDS" one. I don't think I've ever seen compelling evidence of that one.

  • April 14, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    So Klytus...

    by morGoth

    ...yours is an attitude of "accentuate the negative"? Yeah, the "wasted potential" started just as soon as the Founding Fathers started disagreeing over slavery which, of course, ultimately led to the American Civil War. Hundreds of thousands died to redress that particular evil. And there you have another inconvenient truth, we, the citizens of the United States, are not now, never were and will never be perfect human beings yet we do what we must when the need arises. What do you expect? Furthermore, if you are a citizen (I thought I was very perlite when I asked this of you earlier.) of the US and find the country so distasteful now, then why do you stay here?<P>I excercized another right, that is ultimately protected by our armed services, this past fall and voted. Did you?

  • April 14, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Please Klytus...

    by DoctorWho?

    If that poem "pretty much sums up" his thoughts on America then everything I wrote applies perfectly.<p> Your Mommy analogy is a flawed one because it is based on the typical cartoonish view of how you see conservatives. Most conservatives know that politics is not about policy technique, but about the philosophy underlying policy...whether or not you agree with that philosophy is beside the point. They know that a quirky, unpredictable human nature is a constant, visible in the record of history, which provides the parameters of what is possible for such flawed creatures and their aspirations. They know that utopia is indeed “nowhere,” that perfection is not in the cards, that every good has a tragic price, and part of being an adult is being willing to pay that price. I would rather consult philosophy and history, rather than on the delusions of children petulant over a world that doesn’t answer their desire.<p> Your Mommy analogy of Liberals: "... has a great heart and often tries to do the best by me, but she is ultimately a flawed being who makes mistakes and those mistakes should be considered and analyzed." is a curious one since many modern liberals still want to move in with that same flawed mommy, use her car, eat her food and hand over their pay check so that SHE may dole out their allowance..

  • April 14, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    "labratory AIDS"

    by morGoth

    Once upon a time, must've been 'round October few years back, in one of those TOP SECRET LABRATORIES the Government kept stashed away underneath Virginia, an Evil Prince, occasionally employed as a part time theatrical criticizer set to working on a plot for the systematic genocidical remove'lance of all unwanted highly-rythmic individuals and sissy boys. The cocksucker done whiffed up a SECRET POTION...and right along with it, the atrocious idea that what he'd been boiling up down there just might be the FINAL SOLUTION to the white mans burden...if you acquires my drift.<p>Even Zappa could be full of shit.

  • April 14, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST


    by morGoth

    ...I get called a "liberal" all the time by my right-wing friends though I certainly don't fit either the Klytus Mommy or DocWho? mold. Maybe it's high fucking time people in this country stop looking at (or past) each other as either (them or us) liberals or conservatives. Funny Part II, all this time I just thought I was an American. Of course, we seem to prefer our caricatures of each other since that more easily fits our pre-conceived notion of what the "other people" are like.

  • April 14, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals support policies that favour big government's being the dominant partner in the big government/big business partnership, while conservatives support policies that favour big government's being the dominant partner in the big government/big business partnership. Conflicts between liberal policies and conservative policies are really just squabbles within the ruling class. See my comment on "socialism" above:

  • April 14, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    liberals/conservatives - oops, try again

    by berserkrl

    Argh! Let me try that again:<p>The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals support policies that favour big government's being the dominant partner in the big government/big business partnership, while conservatives support policies that favour big BUSINESS's being the dominant partner in the big government/big business partnership. Conflicts between liberal policies and conservative policies are really just squabbles within the ruling class. See my comment on "socialism" above: Click for previous story

  • April 14, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST


    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Why do you think I live in the US?

  • April 14, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    and for the record

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    I suppose I'm probably an anarchist - I don't think any government can work, in the final analysis. I suspect humans will never be able to get along on any large scale. Were we small, tribal creatures then maybe we could get long (although we'd still likely go to war over scarce materials with other tribes). I'm not exactly sure where "the human race is fundamentally fucked" falls on the political spectrum. When I talk about the liberal/conservative divide I'm talking about how it's practiced in American politics.

  • April 14, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    and by "small, tribal creatures"

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    I meant something like "small" in terms of the size of our societies, not the size of the people. I wasn't wishing we were Ewoks.

  • April 14, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Good one Morgoth...

    by DoctorWho?

    I'm a Zappa freak and think he was a creative genius but he did go off the reservation at times with shit like that.<p> And I can see where I come off here as some 'super-conservative' but I'm hardly that. In contrast to the fringe leftists it just seems that way. I'm slightly right of center, big on the lessons of history and super distrusting of too much authority. I consider myself a liberal in the classic mold... NEVER a leftist.

  • April 14, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Sure Klytus...anarchy is the way to go

    by DoctorWho?

    Lawlessness is always a good option. Grab your gun and lock up the women and pray the inevitable Genghis Khan wannabees don't come looking for your food and property. Good times.<p> "I don't think any government can work, in the final analysis."...Meaning what? Utopia or bust?! I can see why you would be dissillusioned. You must get a sense of what it's taken to even get this far...warts and all. Political freedom historically has been a rare plant, difficult to sow and easy to destroy, for it runs counter to other powerful human impulses. Humans for most of their history have lived in societies characterized by tribalism, clannishness, and the domination of society by some sort of elite that monopolizes force and resources, a control reinforced by irrational superstition. It has taken the work of centuries to create the sort of societies we see in the West today: those in which respect for individual rights is encoded in consensual governments that reflect the will of the citizens and that approach the problems of living and governing through rational procedure, discussion, and law rather than through superstition or force.

  • April 14, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't say Utopia or bust...

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Anarchism could be seen as a goal to evolve towards - the least government possible - but is something that I don't think could be implemented right away. The goal would be the elimination of class. Could it work? I don't know but I chafe at any system that implements or implies some kind of ruling elite. I would look at the US as a hopeful step in that evolution if it weren't so hostile to liberty around the rest of the world and if it didn't exclude so much of its own population from health and prosperity. It's funny, Doc when you talk about "societies characterized by tribalism, clannishness, and the domination of society by some sort of elite that monopolizes force and resources, a control reinforced by irrational superstition." That sounds like the United States to me and to much of the rest of the world. Only the citizens of the US absolutely cannot see that. When you talk about "consensual governments that reflect the will of the citizens and that approach the problems of living and governing through rational procedure, discussion, and law rather than through superstition or force," you are describing something that could be a step toward peaceable anarchism, but you're not describing the United States. Some of those elements may be there, at least on paper, but they rare exist in the US de jure. I'm sorry to have to point that out to you - I suspect it's hard for many Americans to swallow because of the amount of indoctrination Americans are so steeped in, but wishing your country was a certain way or believing it was a certain way doesn't make it so.

  • April 14, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by morGoth

    ...I don't anything about where you live...I'm just asking you.

  • April 14, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by morGoth

    ...I don't THINK anything about where you live. Damned fat fingering keyboard!

  • April 14, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Do you think your vote mattered at all when you voted? You got to choose between two (viable) candidates who were both supported by hundreds of millions of dollars. Do you think either of them would have listened to you? It's unlikely your local representatives would listen to you let alone the presidential candidates. Do you think McCain or Obama would know anything or care anything at all about anyone other than the interests who put them in power? They gave millions; you gave a vote. Do you really think your vote mattered? Voting in America is a safety valve - it gives the populace the illusion of control, which helps to keep them docile and manipulable. Do you honestly think anything is going to change as a result of voting?

  • April 14, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    And if you voted for a third party

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    then I applaud you but that vote didn't count for much either.

  • April 14, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    The New Hound of the Anti Christ

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    conquers all, through it's cuteness.

  • April 14, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Damn, Sector_11374265

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Get ready for the pile-on of American rage. I promise it won't hurt - just let it pass through you.

  • April 14, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Anarchy is not the same thing as lawlessness. On the contrary, anarchy is the only system compatible with the rule of law -- because part of the rule of law means submitting your disputes to third-party arbiters, and the State never submits its disputes to third-party arbiters:<p>

  • April 14, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Jesus Klytus...

    by DoctorWho?

    If you think "...domination of society by some sort of elite that monopolizes force and resources, a control reinforced by irrational superstition" describes today and not the feudal and tribal societies of the past than this conversation is obviously over.<p> The one you and I live in is a culture that approaches reality rationally and respects the truth of the world; a culture that gives rights to individuals, governs by transparent law, and allows citizen participation in the state—this sort of culture has the best shot of providing freedom and prosperity and solving whatever crises may arrive.<p> Is there corruption, inequality and hardship? Um, yes. Welcome to the human race.<p> Prosperity and democratic politics have narrowed the stark divisions between rich and poor that way more so characterized earlier societies. Movement up the socio-economic ladder is more frequent and easier than in ANY time in history. Your pipe dream of evolving torwards anarchy is absurd and laughable...essentialy every man woman and child for themselves. And you say I'm wishful?<p> Your view is one of an adolescent who has animosity toward his parents because he just found out they were not perfect.

  • April 14, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    "should we do the same thing at civilian run movie theaters?"

    by awepittance

    yeah we should you brainwashed pile of feces

  • April 14, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Thanks for posting that link. Very interesting.

  • April 14, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    ThusSpakeSpymunk = holy shit what a sociopath

    by awepittance

    you need some help man

  • April 14, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    My vote didn't matter?

    by morGoth

    Well, I'm a product of the 60's and the knowledge that my vote helped to fullfill The Dream of Dr. Martin Luther King sure counted a lot to me. Of course, I must acknowledge that I voted as a Yellow Dog Democrat in the last election. Sorry you're so cynical Klytus and you may think you know a lot about the US but I can tell you really don't. Sure, you've got some book knowledge but you fall down by generalizing us into one lump that's either this or that and our voting doesn't mean shit and 9/11 didn't mean anything and the only reason we're in Afghanistan is because of oil, etc., etc. You are completely wrong, every vote counts and it is very important. Look what happened in 2000 compared to 2008.<p>Anarchist, I knew it...may as well move to the vacuum of space.

  • April 14, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    You're quite welcome DoctorWho?

    by morGoth

    Glad there are others who dig on Frank still. I hope you've read his book. It contains one of my all time favorite quotes concerning communism: "Communism will never work because one of the first words out a baby's mouth is "Mine!"" Ah Frank, we miss ya...

  • April 14, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    I don't think we're in Afghanistan or Iraq for the oil. Have you ever read the PNAC document? It lays out the reasons for Middle East intervention. Oil is definitely the overarching reason but I don't think it's the immediate goal right now.

  • April 15, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST


    by CorpseRide

    I'll take that as an admission you were wrong. Thanks! BTW I'm Irish, but thanks for caring. Now put your pants back on and go home.

  • April 15, 2009, 4:04 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams - full of shit

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Star Trek XI's J.J. Abrams used to feel left out when he watched the original series. <p> Watching the original series was enjoyable to Abrams, who liked the idea of different species working together, but he didn't feel that he was part of that universe. "I always felt like I missed the way in," he explained. "I enjoyed the idea of [Star Trek]. I thought the notion of this group collaborating, various cultures and races and species working together, not conquering but exploring and discovering, there was something inherently, obviously interesting. but... I felt like, well, you missed me." <p> Unlike the experience of some Star Trek fans, Abrams couldn't identify personally with the characters. "...I'm none of those guys," he said. "I'm not Kirk for sure. I'm not Spock. I'm not Bones. I wasn't really Chekhov. I'm not Uhura. Sulu's not me. I didn't have me in there, so it was a very objectified experience watching that show."

  • April 15, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams - the new Spielberg

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Interviewer: "Someone commented last night that you’re sort of the Spielberg for the new generation…" <p> JJ: "It’s obviously an insanely complimentary thing to hear… but you know, it’s like, you can’t hear that. You hear that and all you want to do is hide. But it’s very kind, and whoever said that obviously doesn’t know all of my work." <p> What Abrams meant to say was "Yes, I consider Mission Impossible 3 and Star Trek to be on a par with Jaws and Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

  • April 15, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    IF YOU VOTE ...

    by berserkrl

    ... then you actually ASKED for what you're getting.<p>

  • April 16, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    goddamn, you people are sad.

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  • April 16, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    So are we gonna talk Star Trek or....?

    by Sithtastic

    Thanks for the review Black Smoke...and everything else too.

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