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Tuesday Brings Fox’s First New FRINGE Since February 10!!

I am – Hercules!!
When we last saw FBI agent Olivia Dunham, she had just learned that – shades of Sydney Bristow! – she had been experimented upon as a child by agents of Massive Dynamic – the multinational founded by demented supergenius Walter Bishop’s shadowy former lab partner William Bell. TV Guide reports that – shades of Irina Derevko! – we will finally meet Bell in next month’s season finale. Fox says of tonight’s installment, “Inner Child”:
Just seconds before a building is demolished, a mysterious mute child that has been living alone underground is discovered. When the FBI's Fringe Division investigates, the boy forms an unspoken connection with Agent Olivia Dunham. Meanwhile, an especially gruesome serial killer resurfaces and showcases his "artistry" by displaying his work publicly. As the boy gradually assimilates into a new environment, Olivia and the team must race against the clock to prevent the mad man from further macabre. Guest Cast: Jeremy Shamos as The Artist; Spencer List as The Child; Matt Mulhern as Dennis; Alicia Goranson as Tattoo Girl; Carolyn Feldschuh as Older Woman; Jimmy Palumbo as Mike; Erik Palladino as Eliot Michaels; Nelson Pena as Junior Agent; Robert Payne as Agent; Victor Williams as Phil; Phil Nee as Archie; Sandra Daley as Dr. Winick; Mary Lou Schriber as Nurse.
9 p.m. Tuesday. Fox.

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  • April 7, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST


    by BillboeFett


  • April 7, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    and 2nd!

    by BillboeFett


  • April 7, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST

    question for Herc

    by BillboeFett

    How come the LOST talkbacks are always so late? How come no more inviso-text? How come it seems like you don't get to preview the eps anymore?

  • April 7, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST


    by BillboeFett


  • April 7, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST

    apparently FRINGE lost all its fans

    by BillboeFett

    in the hiatus. Fox and ABC need to cut this shit out

  • April 7, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST


    by BillboeFett

    this is boring even me

  • April 7, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    We met William Bell already. He is...

    by Julius Dithers

    Walter Bishop or the Walter Bishop from a parallel earth. They've been insinuating that very heavily. I hope that's not the case, though.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    actually that was 6th, this is 7th

    by BillboeFett

    Herc, answer my question please. I've asked it other talkbacks over the last few weeks.. no answer

  • April 7, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Julius, welcome!

    by BillboeFett

    Yeah.. Walter Bishop freaked out though.. ..because he got out his typewriter and basically figured out HE was the one who wrote that book.. so.. are WE the parallel universe.. and they're the original?

  • April 7, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Hi, BilboeFett.

    by Julius Dithers

    I liked that it was he that wrote the ZFT manifesto. Especially, when Mr. Jones went all gaga over him. Funny stuff. As for your question...I'll say we're the copycat Earth and Fringe takes place on the...fringe.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:31 a.m. CST

    I mean Bell is from Classic Coke & Bishop from New Coke.

    by Julius Dithers

    I sooo want to make an Star Trek mirror universe joke, but how much P.R. does abrams need?

  • April 7, 2009, 2:38 a.m. CST

    HERC oh HERC how could you have not seen STAR TREK???

    by zillabeast

    Your review is the one that I look soooo forward to!

  • April 7, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Damn those lucky pricks in Austin.

    by Julius Dithers

    And the ones in North Carolina.

  • April 7, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    Great episode of House

    by JuanSanchez

    I certainly hope we get more answers, cause so far the death of Kutner doesn't quite sit well with me. It was a great episode though cause it was dramatic, the acting was great and it was probably the best looking episode of House I've ever seen. Beautiful photography.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:49 a.m. CST

    I am enjoying this Show

    by Captain RawBeard

    I like it. Hope it continues for another season or 2

  • April 7, 2009, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Fringe started 4 weeks ago over here on TV.

    by DerLanghaarige

    I like it so far. I love how they are not going the "ooooooh, this is sooooo spooky"-route, but instead play it more like a normal crime show with a heavy Science Fiction component. Someone gets killed in an unusual way and they find the killer by plugging their brain into a supercomputer or something like that. And John Noble rules!

  • April 7, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST


    by BillboeFett

    It starts to get majorly awesome about the 7th episode in, then the around the 10th is really wild, and I think we're on the 15th tomorrow here... the 14th dropped a bombshell

  • April 7, 2009, 4:53 a.m. CST


    by Sebilrazen

    I agree with everything you said.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:23 a.m. CST

    yeah house tonight was crazy....

    by champvinyl

    the promo's kinda tricked us showing a shot of kutner running into some room in the hospital, which was kinda lame. <p> But i can't be too pissed because if they hadn't i would have worked it out beforehand... If they don't get into why he did what he did I'll be pretty pissed, he was the best character on the show next to House, It was like watching a grown-up Kumar who gave up the weed. *sniff* <p> I'm pretty sure we'll get more next week... and i agree, it was one of the best shot episodes of primetime TV i've watched, I'd love to know what filter/processing they used, everything had a greyish tone without being washed out.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST


    by DerLanghaarige

    Sounds cool! We just had yesterday our first official encounter with The Observer, so I wonder what's happening next.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST


    by Uncle_Bryn

    Due to all these annoying long breaks all the time I've forgotten the typewriter / parallel universe intimation scene. Can you remind me?! Might wanna put a big 'SPOILER' in the subject for DerLangHarrige...

  • April 7, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    The kid has no eyebrows

    by Jor-El23

    It looks to me like the little kid in the building that Olivia finds is pale, bald and has no eyebrows.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    I can't bring myself to watch Fringe

    by karatemedia

    Because "fringe" sounds to me like slang for female genitalia. Like, "I'm gonna go out tonight and do some Jager bombs and get me some fringe." And don't even get me started on that classic barbershop series, "Trim." Or that behind-the-scenes look at the cattle industry, "Beef Curtain."

  • April 7, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Beware The Beef Curtain


    It waits for you.... on the fringe.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Black Chick needs a storyline.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    What the fuck is she wall paper? We know nothing about her. And she is hotter than Olivia, <p> Anyone notice Olivia laugh during the first episode with her sister? It was that loud drunken Aussie bray.

  • April 7, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    William Bell = Victor Garber

    by runrun

    That would be cool

  • April 7, 2009, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Glad Fringe Is Back

    by Crow3711

    Really enjoyed the first run of this last year, and the last 5 or 6 episodes were really great, I've been waiting for this to return ever since. Glad to see some people still care, I really hope it survives its hiatus. I'd be very sad if it came back tonight and no one watched any more.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    And Yeah EvilWizard

    by Crow3711

    Astrid definitely needs something to do/a mystery background or something. I'm sure they have it planned. You can't do everything in the first season, but I'm sure she is there for a reason besides fodder for Noble. Astrid will have her day.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST

    2 month hiatus...

    by dj_bollocks

    way to go Fox.... long time in showbiz....

  • April 7, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Not that it's important...

    by emteem

    ..but I'm pretty sure we met Irina Derevko in the second season premiere. Having Sydney go, "Mom" isn't really "meeting" her in my mind especially since Lena Olin hadn't been cast yet.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    On the actual subject

    by emteem

    I'm happy Fringe is back, but it will have to sit on my DVR until the weekend. Sigh. <p>So, I definitely won't be back to this talkback after this afternoon.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Only a two month layoff?

    by HoichiTheEarless

    I caught up with the show from the pilot to the latest via torrents after the last episode aired, and honestly it seems like three months since I did that.<br><br> It took a few episodes but I started getting into it. I hope they've got the thing mapped out well, though with this series they've got it set up so they can do the "make it up as they go" thing or have entertaining filler episodes, unlike my other beloved series Lost and BSG... not that I think this series has gotten to those levels yet.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Fringe is decent enough

    by Rob0729

    Nothing special, but not bad either. It is a show I TIVO and get to when I can get to it. <br><br>I do agree that they are telegraphing Walter as William Bell too much. I think a lot of the arching story of this show is a little forced. Maybe when they tie it all together, it will be more interesting.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    A Fringe Talkback? Wow...

    by MrSentinel

    Gee, maybe now we'll get Smallville and Supernatural talkbacks... I can hope, can't I?

  • April 7, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Olivia isn't the special one.

    by kenjinattix

    I think the Olivia experiment thing is a BS misdirect. I think its Peter. I think Peter turned the lights off on the bomb. He was there the first time and was there in the building. They never explained how he rigged the one for the test to shut off. I think he didn't rig it and turned it off with his power. AND the lights for the bomb didn't turn off until Peter came back from the elevator. Its Peter and I think he knows it.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by jim

    I really liked how that episode was shot, like it was overcast. While we all want answers they may not give any. Life, or rather death, can be like that.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Jumped the shark via the first episode

    by Dhaemon

    The first episode seemed to be going somewhere until they did some sort of mind meld. That and they have a freakin cow in the lab. Screw this, bring on the Lost Talkback!

  • April 7, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Life on Mars > Fringe

    by Dhaemon

  • April 7, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by furzee

    Hot Black Chick is names Astrid and I'm pretty sure she is going to turn out to be the one pulling the strings behind the whole evil pattern, or at least one of their higher up agent. Makes sense and is a good twist in the storytelling. Plus during one of Olivia's sensory deprivation tub sessions I think John Scott mentions the name 'Astrid' in an aside to one of his conspiritors. Just something to chew on

  • April 7, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by shodan6672

    The phrase "Jumped the shark" jumped the shark abut 7 nor 8 years ago.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    by shodan6672

    wow, wtf happened? that was supposed to be about 7 or 8 years ago.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    A Lot Like Alias

    by MrMerle

    Holds some marginal interest, has a few good characters (Noble in Fringe, Arvin Sloane in Alias), but it really feels like a repetitious, formulaic, dumbed down version of something better (Mission: Impossible or X-Files) over time. If there's good word of mouth on the newer episodes, I'll probably spend some productive time on hulu catching up.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by SeanMiller

    I completely agree with you about Peter being the special one. I posted a similar theory after the lights episode. They clearly made a point to show Peter coming back from the elevator. Also, Walter says something like "you don't realize the potential/power that you really have" in like every episode. Walter did all sorts of experiements on Peter when he was a kid.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by Dhaemon

    Your forgot about the "Mom thinks I'm cool" rule. Since Mom says I'm cool, I'm bringing back "Jumped the shark".

  • April 7, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Peter's a clone, or experiment.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Rewatch from the beginning and pay attention to all the weird questions Walter asks of Peter. Like the fevers. We know they were in a car accident and under water. <p> Peter is either a clone or one of Walters experiments. <p> Yep I recalled Astrids name a few minutes after posting. Still hot black chick everyone knows though.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by SpreadLegsNotWar

    ...there's a mystery down my pants that only she can solve.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    William Bell is Walter Bishop

    by HellKing

    Clone... split personality... whatever!

  • April 7, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Sweet, glad this got a talk back . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . I was very surprised that I ended up liking this show (took a few episodes) and Dollhouse ended up being garbage. Am I the only one that think's whoever plays Olivia's ex LOOKS like a great candidate to play Captain America?

  • April 7, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Finally Fringe is back.

    by FookU

    I hope Fox didn't manage to kill it with this hiatus.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    im so annoyed at fox

    by Obscura

    for the huge gap.... and for such a shitty reason. the figures will be down, and guess who they'll blame? the creators, and they'll use us as an excuse. when in actual fact the only real reason is that they like to fuck around with shows that take more than 2 brain cells to understand.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by jaysin420

    4th Best Character on all of TV! Right behind Eric Cartman, Ben Linus and obviously Jack Bauer.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Another chance to play "Spot The Observer"

    by jim

    or, as I like to call it, "Where's Bald-o?

  • April 7, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    I hope it Peter that is the special one...

    by allykatD

    because Olivia Dunham is too boring. Although the last show before the hiatus for (stupid) American Idol made her a little more interesting, she's still too cold... Peter and his father are way more interesting. Oh, and Peter isn't a clone. The creators have already said that in several interviews. However, he is *different*, they say Peter isn't a clone but he is Walter's *offspring* whatever the hell that is suppose to mean. I mean, I know the definition of offspring, but in the interview Orci went out of his way not to say 'son' and say offspring instead. Somethings up. I wish they reveal a few more secrets.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Fringe = Eureka + X-Files was okay...

    by tangcameo

    ...Fringe = Eureka + X-Files + Charlie Jade was a bit too much for me. Too many already thought of premises.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    House - Kutners sudden exit

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Kal Penn is leaving for a job with the White House.<p> "The 31-year-old actor has accepted a position as the associate director in the White House's Office of Public Liaison & Intergovernmental Affairs"<p> So that like makes him King of the Tour Guides?

  • Just curious. The wife pointed it out.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    damn cutoff....

    by jashba

    on Idol?

  • April 7, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    I saw, jashba

    by fain88

    Or rather, a friend texted to tell me. Damn you, Fox! You've made me actually watch an episode of Idol!<br> <br> So excited this show is back. It's one of the few shows I actually make time to watch when it airs (along with LOST, obviously, Office & 30 Rock, and Dollhouse because I am a self-hating Whedonphile and an eternal optimist). Hope Fringe gets a second season.<br> <br> Holy Shit, there's the Observer, right behind this Anoop guy's parents! And that's totally really Cerveris! Kings to you, Fox. Viral marketing for one of your shows in the lead-in for that show. Brilliant.<br> <br> Also (just catching up with the talk above), why couldn't it be that BOTH Olivia and Peter are 'special'? What if everyone on their 'team' (Astrid and maybe Charley) are all being groomed not to become singular 'agents' in whatever reality-war is raging, but as a squad or cell?

  • April 7, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST


    by Melvin_Pelvis

    idol fucking running way over<p> And the goddamn embeded video ads on this site have been set to auto run

  • April 7, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I hate American Idol

    by cossack_says_die

    Fuck everything that the show represents. Fuck it to hell. No one on that show has any fucking talent. They keep saying they are out of time. You aren't out of time your over your time you cock sucking faggots. FUCK YOU FOX.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Melvin - wow for Kal!

    by karatemedia

    That's a nice career path - from stoner flicks to the White House. I still don't get why Kal was completely excised from the episode (except for some photos) - not even a cameo as the body on a slab. It's an odd send off that seems to imply that either there was bad blood on the set, or Kal simply said, "See ya, losers, I'm gonna go smoke a bowl in the Lincoln Bedroom!" and never showed for work again.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    That kid is some creepy shit.

    by cossack_says_die

    I love the shit out of this show. I would fuck Olivia Dunham till next Tuesday.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST


    by VictorNewman

    I'm surprised theres no news on here about Kings being bumped to Saturday nights then eventually cancelled. Now McShane can move on to better things.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    These short commercial breaks

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    are killing me

  • April 7, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    any one seen the observer yet?

    by kenjinattix

    I may have missed him. Not paying the proper attention

  • April 7, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    re: any one seen the observer yet?

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    I think the kid is a member of the observer race / faction...<p> Somehow sealed off and forgotten, or placed there delibertly to be found in the future

  • April 7, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    So pissed about Kings...

    by Judge Briggs

    The show is terrific. Fucking hate you network shitheads!

  • April 7, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST


    by jocutus

    I thought Walter explained that he's probably much older than he looks, but they keep treating him like he's 10. The fact they ignored this point drives me nuts. That and ignoring the yellow arrow. Looks like a shrunken Billy Corgan.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Melvin pelvis

    by cossack_says_die

    I was thinking the same. He pretty much looks exactly like the observer mainly because he has no eyebrows. I'm interested to see what actually happens to him. I dont think the CIA will get their wish.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    The commercials for this show are very pretentious

    by ShabbyBlue

    Makes it seem so full of itself, especially with Joshua Jackson's smug line delivery.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    there's uncle fester

  • April 7, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    So let me get this straight ....

    by Itchy

    the last episode of Frine, which was like half a year ago, was a great episode hinting at some interdimensional timeline war, where Bishop was a central character, and establishing that not only did Olivia have special powers, but someone was willing to risk God knows what fate "worse than death" to bring those powers out ... and now they come back with an episode that references none of that ? What the fuck.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Next epi looks awesome

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    looks like the plot is going to start moving like a runaway

  • April 7, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Of course we knew network folk were dickfaces

    by Itchy

    for taking a two month hiatus in the first place. Didn't they learn anything ? two months break with a new show = death fucking sentence. But then these dickless fuckfaces sit around with their peckers in their hands and wonder why new shows never "take off". Oh and fuck Fox for always pushing this show back some random amount of minutes to show us bonuse footage of American Karaoke starring everything that is wrong with this country, Ryan Souless Automation Secrest NotOutofTheCloset.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by cossack_says_die

    You are my new hero. My thoughts exactly. They didn't reference a single fucking thing from the episode. Oh and go fuck yourself American Idol.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Decent Episode though

    by JulesVega

    It did piss me off that they made it have nothing to do with the last episode... However, that withstanding I thought this was one of the better episodes.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    the Observer was in the American Idol audience!

    by BillboeFett


  • April 7, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    To be fair

    by fain88

    As much as I hate 'American Karaoke', one can't deny it's insanely successful with the ever elusive 'popular viewer'; and at least they're giving Fringe that titanic lead-in. Think of it this way; if the slack-jawed knuckle draggers who watch that Idol crap aren't watching Fringe, they ARE voting for their favorite pretty face at the end of the show, and their boob tube's still tuned in to Fox = better ratings for Fringe. Shit, even if they turn their TVs off after, it's still tuned in to Fringe (admittedly, I could be 100% wrong on that; not sure exactly how this magical 'Neilson' gets his ratings...but I'm trying to stay positive). <br> <br> And maybe I'M a super-genius in the realms of Fringe science, 'cause Walter Bishop and I were apparently the only ones that could put two and two together and realize when Olivia was in a meat freezer and the baby observer was shivering that meant they were (duh-duh-DUUUH!) somehow linked.<br> <br> Itchy, that's a good point; through the whole episode I just kept thinking Liv's empathic connection with baby observer was more proof of her 'abilities'. Now I'm gonna' have to go re-watch 'Ability'. <br> <br> jocutus, I think Bishop only postulated that. And to be honest on a good day his rambling's only correct 75% of the time.<br> <br> I thought this was a GREAT episode; 'Ability' was better, but still a solid start back and as Melvin said, seems to be gearing the plot up to start moving forward like crazy. I will say...did anyone NOT think the kid was a 'Baby Observer'? I thought that might as well have been the name of the episode; so that ending was a liiiiittle on the nose. But very happy this show is back, and crossing my fingers it gets another season.

  • April 7, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    Yeah Fringe!

    by Real Deal

    Finally! Ever since the last episode I've been on the edge of my seat! This really is my favorite new show! It really has a little bit of everything. And John Nobel's performance is always entertaining! Love this show!

  • April 7, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    "I'm sure Miss Dunham knows what a penis looks like"

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Yeah, like mine (I wish)

  • April 7, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    "Joshua Jackson's smug line delivery."

    by Shermdawg

    He's channeling Clooney. <br><br> Or making his best effort to.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    John Noble = The Shit

    by fain88

    Never fails to make me laugh out loud at one point in any given episode and then completely buy the pseudo-scifi mumbo jumbo he spouts the next minute. That penis line was CLASSIC!<br> <br> And I don't think it's so much that Joshua Jackson's being too smug; I just feel like he has nothing to do. This whole episode I kept thinking, 'What the hell are you doing here?'

  • April 7, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    I'd like to know what they're thinking

    by David Lazarus Long

    taking such a ridiculously long break and then coming back with such a lackluster episode? It's obvious they're setting up pieces that will become important down the line (baldy kid), but it moved so slowly I practically fell asleep in the middle. This would have been a good episode to have, say, just before the "mid-season finale" (the fact that shows have mid-season finales is odd in general). Hopefully next week will pick up the pace, because I really enjoy it most of the time.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    American Idol ate up my DVR padding

    by HoichiTheEarless

    I padded the end by 5 minutes but that wasn't enough. It cut off when Dunham was with her niece. I'm sure there was nothing Earth shattering after that but if someone can fill me in...

  • April 7, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST


    by champvinyl

    I can't believe we're still subjected to hours of this shit on TV when the only people watching it are 15 year old girls, gay men, housewives, and slack-jawed morons... <p> what makes it worse is that its basically just Star Search, which means either these fucktards don't *remember* that (and i was like 10 years old when it was on, even I remember how bad that show was), or they LIKE the shit so much that they can just remake the same fucking show from like 15 years ago and make millions. <P> FUCK!!! *walks off and kicks a puppy*

  • April 7, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    What up, dude? The only thing I think you missed was black doctor lady driving Baby Observer (presumably) to his new foster house. Baby Observer is empathically receiving Liv's happy thoughts while she's playing with her niece. Suddenly, Baby Observer goes blank, maybe a little upset. He turns and looks out the window as they pass The Observer, who is walking down the street of some nice suburban neighborhood in his suit and a black trenchcoat, holding a briefcase. Big Observer has stopped and is similarily looking back blankly at the kid, who turns and looks out the back window as he and black doctor lady drive off. The two stare until the car's out of sight, then Big Observer turns back, no emotion on his face, and starts walking again. And the trailer for next week looks pretty exciting too.<br> <br> But yeah, despite my earlier post, fuck Idol.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Jackson seemed bored

    by cant_stop_yawning

    At one point, while all the adults were theorizing at the hospital, he was looking at his cell phone. Nothing against the guy - I could do with more of he and his old man's banter - best part of the show.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Also, replace Torv

    by cant_stop_yawning

    with Noble's hot assistant. She is fun (when they give her lines), smart and serious eye candy. You guys drooling over Torv are settling for the lowest common denominator - I pass 20 women on the street on a daily basis who are better looking (granted, I living NYC). I suspect they are better at acting as well.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Torv is Rupert Murdoch's neice...

    by cant_stop_yawning

    Another reason to dislike her.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    Some people just don't like their coffee black.<br> <br> Yikes. Was that racist?<br> <br> And was I the only one hoping Baby Observer was gonna' end up under Liv's care? Make him part of the 'team'?

  • April 7, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Fain88 raises a really good point re. Idol

    by cant_stop_yawning

    Hadn't considered it, but it makes me less irritated my dvr didn't catch the ending.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Totes, cant_stop

    by fain88

    We can yell at Fox all we want for the damn hiatus, but nobody can say they didn't give Fringe a pretty good time-slot. At least they're...well, 'sort-of' trying.<br> <br> Now, if it only gets a 4 ep. renewal next season (with option for a back-end) and gets moved to the Friday death-slot to replace Dollhouse and T:TSCC, I'll be the first to call all the Fox execs crack-smoking asshats and start a petition.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Cripes - I forgot to watch. The hiatus threw me off.

    by JuanSanchez

    Started watching The Mentalist in its absence and just watched it out of habit.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    At least next week's Octo-Beast looks good

    by zillabeast

    Time to get back on the horse!

  • April 8, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Oh, crap

    by fain88

    Sorry if I spoiled anything for you, Juan, with that ending re-cap. My bad, dawg. (Christ, why did I watch Idol?)

  • April 8, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST


    by HoichiTheEarless

    Thanks for the recap. Damn, that sounds pretty cool. Fuck Idol, indeed.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    No prob, Hoichi. And if you didn't read earlier...

    by fain88

    ...the fuckin' Observer was in the audience on Idol! Sitting right behind all the contestants parents, staring blankly forward, so any time they cut to a reaction shot of their families they had Cerveris peering over their shoulders. AWESOME!

  • April 8, 2009, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Don't worry fain88

    by JuanSanchez

    I didn't read any recaps, just scanned some topic lines.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST


    by HoichiTheEarless

    Thanks for the recap. Damn, that sounds pretty cool. Fuck Idol, indeed.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:28 a.m. CST

    what the hell

    by HoichiTheEarless

    That last double post must have been a "refresh button" glitch.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    complaining about this ep being creature of the week

    by BillboeFett

    eh... the Observer.. hello?

  • April 8, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    The observer

    by HoichiTheEarless

    Okay, having caught up with the show during the break via torrents I hadn't been catching all the observer appearances. I think I noticed one of them the first time. I saw the compilation clip on youtube and also the clip of him on the sideline of the Eagles Giants game. That bad ass stuff. <br><br> And yeah BillboeFett, it's kinda silly to complain about this not being a mythology driven episode considering how they keep dropping Observer cameos in just about every episode and viral marketing.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    ATTN: Dhaemon

    by BillboeFett

    Give us the flashback to the Black Rock dude... don't finish up season 6 without it dude.. I'm talking the high seas, swashbuckling, splashing waves, the starboard bow.. all of it dude. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. You and Cuse owe us from the Libby backpeddle you did. Comeon now.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:40 a.m. CST

    I don't mind Idol

    by Toonol

    Not that I watch it, God, no. But there have ALWAYS been glorified talent shows on tv, and there always will be. As far as the reality tv genre goes, American Idol seems like a bastion of good taste compared to "wifeswap" or "the biggest loser" or "the Bachelor".<p> It's just not for us.

  • April 8, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Did anyone else see him in both Cupid and Fringe?

    by Acid_Frio

    Back to back hours of Erik Palladino. Guy must have loved to own last night.

  • April 8, 2009, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Astrid is quite the dish...

    by MrSentinel


  • April 8, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    I agree that kid is Mini Observer.

    by HoboCode

    Interesting to see just how many there are. Are there just the two or are there hundreds. Love this show. Walter kicks ass.

  • April 8, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    The Observer is totally lame.

    by Nice Marmot

    Total rip-off combo of The Watcher and that little creature that was hidden in each episode of She-Ra. Oh wait, I'm totally lame, too. . .

  • Fuck American Idol for making me get stuck watching the last 10 minutes of it as it overran Fringe and fuck it even more for making me watch that complete fruitcake who likes to play dressup with the Pete Wentz eyeliner do an actual ass-kicking version of Tears for Fears "Mad World", which I've loved ever since Gears of War adopted it as the theme song for their ad campaign. I want to kick myself in my own nuts for actually thinking something American Idol had on was good.

  • April 8, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Stupid American Idol!

    by Real Deal

    They went 5 min over! My DVR was set to record 9:01 to 10:01. They went almost 6 min over so the end was cut off!

  • April 8, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST

    William B. Davis for William Bell

    by zillabeast

    A puff of smoke upon you, Oliviadunham.

  • April 8, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    The Observer is coolness, Marmot!

    by Kid Z

    Granted, little kid Observers are sorta lame, though.

  • April 8, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    That Mad World cover...

    by Kid Z

    ...had to be the worst, teenybopper, Vegas-y, Muzak-ready, asswipe cover of anything EVER! Oh, and FUCK American Idol!

  • April 8, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST


    by Dhaemon

    By the power of Vin Diesel's Pecks I command you!

  • April 8, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    I thought kid observer was alright

    by HoichiTheEarless

    Though it is kinda disturbing to think of what Victor Salva would do with him.

  • April 8, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    i want to loke this show more, but...


    that kid's bald cap was horrible. crumpled neck meat at the back, hair texture on the sides, and gluemarks around the ears...jeez. i thought makeup effects had improved in the last 25 years. did the kid's mom/agent not let him shave his head? how hard is that? you're a ten year old boy. what- do you have a fruit roll ups commercial to shoot tomorrow? if i get picked to play a bald kid on tv, i'm shaving my head...

  • April 8, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    john noble should play Vincent Price


    in a biopic of his late life or something. lose a fe pounds...he has the mannerisms down already.

  • April 8, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    CIA Guy said

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    on the phone to someone, *I think we got another one*<br> That implies they have at least one in custody, there's the one in the wild, and now the kid one.<p> 'course the CIA guy could have been talking about the observer that they have pictures of...

  • April 8, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    The first victim....

    by klgrl7681

    Tattoo girl is Lecy Goranson a.k.a. Becky Conner from "Roseanne". I thought I recognized the last name, but didn't put it together until I saw her face.

  • April 8, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Goddamn American Idol!

    by allykatD

    My recorder cut off the last 10 minutes too so I don't even know what happened. We really need more Peter. Olivia Dunham just isn't cutting it. The bald kid observer was okay. All in all, it wasn't the show I've been waiting 8 weeks to see. Oh, and the Pete Wentz looking guy in American Idol is Adam Lambert and he's very good and despite whatever barbs you want to throw at his sexual orientation, the fact remains that he outclasses, by far, all the other contestants.

  • April 8, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Becky from Roseanne


    i recognized her immediately. ha- they said last night she was 24....ha- she's older than I am and I'm 32.

  • April 8, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    oops- didn't mean to say HA twice


    now i sound like a creepy skipping robot.

  • April 8, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Zom-bot is a cylon!

    by klgrl7681

  • April 8, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    JJ Abram's "Fringe" will be renewed for a 2nd season, but...

    by Leafar the Lost will undergo some drastic changes. The success of Abram's "Star Trek" will spill over into Fringe; FOX will keep it on hoping that Trekkies will start watching the show. Personally, I think it is sort of boring. It reminds me alot of the X-Files, but it just isn't as interesting. It's kind of like "we've seen this kind of shit before". Having an FBI agent investigate supernatural events isn't new. I know that Abrams picked a hot, blonde chick to play the lead agent, and then he hired a wacky, drug addled, older dude to play the doctor (plus his genius, high school drop out son who looks like he is reading his lines as he says them), but that isn't really giving us something new. That is just switching the genders. We saw that all ready with X-File's characters Fox and Mulder. Abrams gave us something new with "Alias" and "Lost". Alias was unique, and Lost continues to be one of the best shows on TV today. With Fringe, Abrams made a mistake. Maybe he was too focused on making the new "Star Trek". It looks like he left most of the work for other, less creative people. I don't think that "Fringe" can be saved. It's beginning to look like Chris Carter's "Millennium", which also had a promising start, but it fell apart after two seasons, and then it went all to Hell in it's final third season.

  • April 8, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    building a mythos vs viral crap.


    didn't see the Observer on idol or football because i don't watch either. and while you night think it's neat fox would cross over and throw that guy in for fans to notice....i can tell you 99.999% of people watching those things wouldn't, or even know what they are looking for, or start watching Fringe because of it. And you also have to ask yourself- if they are doing it to build the mythology of the observer- what the fuck is he doing at american idol or a game? that's when you realize that they are doing it for FOX, not for you, the fans. <P>and i still say- that kid's bald cap Nuked the Fringe.<P>and Noble needs to be Vincent Price in a burton directed biopic.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Drastic changes

    by cant_stop_yawning

    Clearly the show needs some shaking up, but I don't buy that it is just another X-Files; Noble and Jackson bring a new element that works well when handled properly. Torv is just Scully - pretty face, zero charisma. The other FBI dude who helps her out occasionally is cool and when they throw him a funny line (remember "he told me he loved me too"? clever) - cut Torv's lines by 15-20% and give them to him. I kind of dug massive dynamic as well. Essentially, I think the show needs to pick up the pace, keep with the mythology, replace or backburner torv (and no more or her boring love interest or home life all...ever; know your audience - the show is for nerds and kids, not housewives), more Astrid, and give us some serious curve balls. Also, sideline the watcher for awhile - bad enough you stole it name and all from Marvel (pathetic), but it really getting stale to see him every episode standing around. Really lean on the writers. Oh, and get rid of that cow in the lab (not Torv, the other one)...prop humor is a crutch. Also, Jackson has this big mysterious backstory - get to it or he risks becoming a weak ass sidekick, or worse, scenery.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by karmakitten13

    even when you try everything possible to ignore and avoid the crotch rash that has taken over the public, it STILL finds a way to fuck me over and cut off my DVR. ASSHOLES!! ok, i feel better now.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    I usually give Fringe a lot of flack but-

    by Raymar

    I liked last night. <P> The Torv's acting was probably less annoying than in any other ep, probably because she didn't seem so bewildered all the time. Pacey didn't have anything to do (yay!) other than be the straight man, the mystery was more or less explained, and the villain was pretty cool. <P> And next week is a creature episode! They really dropped the ball with the last one (with the porcupine-werewolves) but this looks idiot-proof.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Another comment about Peter

    by SeanMiller

    Did anybody else notice Peter's call out to Usual Suspects..."a few years ago I was working as a sweeper in an old meat packing plant down in Louisiana." I call bullshit on that whole comment. There is no chance Peter was doing that. What it means, I am not sure.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    William Bell

    by TheGame

    Ausiello at says that Leonard Nimoy has been cast as William Bell.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Where's LOST????

    by decypher44

    Tonite's episode looks like it should be the best of the season.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    BTW - I love Fringe

    by decypher44

    Just missed last night's. Will catch on DVR when I get home today. So glad the show is back, just too busy last night to watch it.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    LOVE this show

    by pumaman

    I just pray the hiatus that Fox put it on, didn't alienate the tv audience. This kind of show has longevity and some great future storylines.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    God i hope you're kidding.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    william bell, according to the fringe wiki


    The casting of William Bell had been announced to be Clancy Brown

  • April 8, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Clancy Brown has always...

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    ...played awesome villains. And what's more villainous the head of a large/evil/secretive corporate entity.

  • April 8, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    cant stop yawning

    by slkboxrman

    i live in NYC as well and the women aint THAT good looking...then again i live in one ugly mofo afte another too, ha ha

  • April 8, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    This is so bizarre

    by Pooter the Clown

    I'm on a MOVIE site where people are slagging the Michael Andrews "Mad World" arrangement from Donnie Darko, or better yet, crediting it to a video game. Ho. Lee. Shit.

  • April 8, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by fain88

    I don't see ANYTHING on the Fringe wiki that even mentions William Bell or Clancy Brown. Anybody got a link?

  • April 8, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Spock is William Bell

    by Poopfoot1980

  • April 8, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST


    by cant_stop_yawning

    fair point... not to be snide (serously), but i never factor queens (or the bronx or staten island, or brooklyn outside of the area around my neighborhood - brooklyn heights) when i think of nyc and women. don't think i've ever actually seen a "woman" (at least not as i think of them) driving through queens; many sasquatch, however.

  • April 8, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Thanks Poopfoot

    by fain88

    Huh. Well, that's pretty awesome. But, I was excited about the idea of Bell being an 'other-dimesional' Walt Bishop. (Anybody read King & Straub's 'The Talisman'? It's a Walter Bishop twinner!)

  • April 8, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Is hiring Leonard Nimoy to play William Bell drastic enough?

    by Leafar the Lost

    If you will look up a bit in this talkback, I wrote that Fringe will be renewed for a 2nd season, but there would be drastic changes. Does hiring Nimoy qualify? HOLY FUCKING SHIT! To Joss Whedon, who has created another sci fi series called Dollhouse, this is how you bring instant ratings to a show that wasn't doing well in the ratings. Unfornuately, the best you can do would be to bring Sarah Michelle Gellar to Dollhouse as a new Actor. HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!

  • April 8, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Hey "The Artist" used the "Buffalo Bill" move.

    by SID 8.0

    Hey could you help me with this since I'm cripple. Out comes the syringe. Next thing you know you're dead and being posed for all the world to see. Love this show more and more all the time. Walter dancing to make Powder/lil' Observer laugh was awesome. Plus when the kid seen The Observer was cool too.

  • April 8, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I've figured out the secret of Fringe.

    by Royston Lodge

    Olivia Dunham is actually Fox Mulder's long-lost sister. We're through the looking-glass here people.

  • April 8, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Can't_stop_yawning I completely agree...

    by allykatD

    with everything you've said. Why can't the writers and the show runner realize that no matter what they do to Anna Torv's character, the *majority* of the people don't find her compelling. It's like they're forcing her on us. Focus on Peter and Walter, make Anna a major sideline player but stop making her the central character. It seems like most of us are sticking around for Walter and Peter. Even Astrid is more interesting than Olivia. I don't know if it's how the character is written, Anna Torv or a combination. Whatever it is, if it's not fixed, that character is going to kill the show.

  • April 8, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    I WAS addicted to Fringe. Then I lost interest.

    by Royston Lodge

    I was a Fringe addict. I loved rushing to Wikipedia after every episode to look up all the references to quantum mechanics, fibonaci numbers, and the golden ratio that are sprinkled throughout the show. <p> I lost interest when, IN EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, Olivia fails to get EVEN A LITTLE BIT angry when her boss tells her in the second act, "oh, we know a hell of a lot more about this case then I originally let on. Sorry 'bout that. Guess I shoulda mentioned it. Here's the double-secret file I've had in my briefcase the whole time."<p> She just smiles and says, "wow, this is great stuff! It'll really help me out with my investigation!" When she SHOULD be saying, "you fucking pinhead!!! Why didn't you just give this to me at the beginning of the damned episode?!?!"

  • April 8, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    I'm telling you...

    by allykatD

    Olivia Dunham is poorly written. The only people who like her are looking at her rack and ass.

  • April 9, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST


    by cant_stop_yawning

    agree completely - rack and ass and that is it. and what is really lame about that isn't that she isn't qualified in both areas, it's that the world of modern media is glutted with great rack and ass - cover your eyes, throw a rock and you'll hit some. there is so much out there, the porn industry is looking for a govmt bailout. so why this particular pant suited r&a? i kind of think it is degrading to women in general that they can't come up with a more interesting and funny strong female lead character than this clone of a clone of a clone.

  • April 9, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Lackluster Episode = mangled timeline

    by browncoat_skyfan

    Perhaps FOX decided to air the last week's episode out of order? I mean, they've never done that in the past, have they? ;-)

  • April 12, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    Which, by the way, was more interesting and had more charisma in its lead characters than FRINGE has had since it started.<P> In the absence of THE X-FILES, FRINGE kinda hits the spot. But Anna Torv has no charisma and is very average looking, and Joshua Jackson plays Joshua Jackson. Again.<P> Kill those two characters, reboot with decent people we like (and who can ACT), and FRINGE might be close to great. Right now, it's a good idea looking for great actors.