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Quint has seen JJ Abrams' STAR TREK!
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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here… Holy crap what a night.
I started it expecting to see 10 minutes of JJ Abrams’ TREK with the full feature of a pristine WRATH OF KHAN and ended it by watching about 5 minutes of WRATH OF KHAN (the opening credits) with the full feature of a pristine STAR TREK.
I would give all the credit here to Harry, and he certainly deserves some credit for kicking this idea off a while back, but from my understanding Paramount and Tim League of the Alamo snuck this one under his radar, too.
Tim League took the stage, beer in hand, of course, and introduced us to Harry who then introduced us to Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof who said that the premiere in Australia was happening within hours of that moment, so JJ couldn’t be there, despite his desire to spend the night in Austin watching Khan with a room full of real Trek fans. They also talked about Khan being their main inspiration when preparing this film, hoping they made a movie half as good as that flick.
Then the movie started, James Horner’s fantastic title music played over the credits, some audience members snickering at “and introducing Kirstie Alley” (I think she’s actually really good as the Vulcan, Saavik, in Khan) and then the first scene. The print was beautiful and then lines started appearing on the print. Booooo… then cuts… then it skipped frame, running for about 10 seconds split in half… up is down, down is up and all that before locking up, the frame burning.
Tim jumped on stage to say he’s going up to fix the problem and called for Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof to kill some time. They show up, Lindelof going, “Okay… so, you wanna know what the monster is?” Clearly talking about the black smoke monster on LOST. People started shouting out LOST things (“I want to know what the statue is!” etc etc) and suddenly a man shows up on stage wearing a trench coat and a hat.
This man is holding a film can in his hand. He removes the hat and right there is Leonard Nimoy.
The audience went ballistic, standing ovation for the man, the girl behind me losing her shit. He takes a mic asking what’s going on here… why would you only show 10 minutes of the new movie? “JJ made a good movie, why only show 10 minutes of it?” Then he took a vote. Who wants to only see 10 minutes of the movie? Crickets. Who wants to see the whole thing? Thunderous applause .
And within seconds Orci, Kurtzman, Lindelof and Nimoy are off the stage (not before Nimoy could throw out one more Vulcan salute, of course) and JJ Abrams’ Star Trek plays.
To say that wasn’t a perfect segue into the movie would be a filthy, rotten lie. The audience was energetic, jittery with excitement. It’s the best one of these moments I’ve witnessed since BNAT 3 when Peter Jackson, Richard Taylor and Harry premiered FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING after telling everybody they couldn’t make it happen.
I will start my thoughts by saying only that I’m not a huge Trek nerd. I love the original series, Next Gen and a handful of the movies. I like the universe, but I was always a STAR WARS kid.
The flick starts out with a bang as the USS Kelvin is attacked by a giant Romulan ship that appears out of a black hole. The ship is almost instantly crippled, the Captain summoned by Nero, the movie’s villain who is searching for Spock. When the Captain leaves, he promotes a young man named George Kirk to captain the ship.
Young Kirk honorably runs the ship, successfully evacuating everybody before it is destroyed, including his wife, in the middle of giving birth. It’s actually a very touching scene, about as perfectly effecting and emotional as I could have hoped for.
It also kicks of the real split between this universe and the Trek universe we all know. Without any cop-outs, Abrams and his team establish that with this single event everything has changed. In short, it’s the perfect set up for a reboot. It can (and does, with Nimoy’s appearance as Spock Prime, as he’s listed in the credits) respect the originals while being free to do its own thing.
Everything we have seen still exists, just not in this reality. I think it’s pretty genius, actually, but only if they stick to this universe now. I’d hate to see them go back and forth with the existing Trek reality and this one in further sequels. I like the world (or maybe universe is a better term considering the material) that Abrams and his team has created here. I like the cast he assembled, I like the way this new universe turns some old Trek landmarks on their heads, while keeping true to what’s really important to each character.
I want to see more of that. I’d love to see more Nimoy in the future installments, but that should be the extent of it.
Abrams’ style is consistent in the film. There’s a reality to the sci-fi, but he doesn’t ignore the awe-inspiring sci-fi vistas and characters we want to see. He’s able to populate the universe with beings that could have walked out of the cantina on Mos Eisley, but are just like the Vulcans in that they do their jobs and are just part of the reality, even if they have huge eyes or crazy Don Post-ish heads. I liked that, outside of two or three instances (my favorite being the usage of the green-skinned girl), Abrams keeps all that in the background, giving the universe another layer.
Without going into too much detail, I want to clear up some stuff. Nero isn’t a fantastic villain… he’s not a showy Khan, a real match for Kirk. But that’s fine, in fact it fits the story. Here Nero isn’t a brain, he’s not a warrior. He’s almost a truck driver that happened to be off planet when something horrible happens, causing him to seek his revenge with the person who tried, and failed, to help: Ambassador Spock.
That’s right, he’s not after Kirk. He’s not trying to use time travel to personally attack that family. He’s not after Kirk at all. His aim is the dude with the pointy ears.
As a result Bana is more of a lingering threat, a reason for Kirk to take the mantle he’s supposed to take now that he doesn’t have the benefit of the support of his father. Without that father figure, Kirk is out of control, his talent and energy without focus. Instead of using his father, it’s Captain Pike (Bruce Greenwood) that is able to start him on his path.
What Pine brings to Kirk, what he’s able to recreate from William Shatner’s iconic performance, is that playful glint in the eye. He can be deadly serious, but there’s always a smile underneath.
Pine has the swagger, the humor, but he also has the presence. I didn’t think I was going to be a convert to him in the role, but I thought he was great.
In fact, there’s nobody I felt didn’t deliver. Simon Pegg as Scotty is perfection (great job on the accent, dude), Zachary Quinto as Spock is not only visually perfect, but he hits that perfect balance of emotion and logic that is crucial to Spock’s character and Karl Urban seems like he was born to inherit the role of Dr. Leonard McCoy from DeForest Kelley. Urban will be an audience favorite, for sure, and his introduction (and nod to his nickname) is exactly what I wanted to see.
Another great surprise is Anton Yelchin as Chekov. He is given a couple of different scenes to shine and didn’t feel like he was just trying to mimic a Russian accent. That goes for everybody… from Zoe Saldana’s Uhura to John Cho’s Sulu nobody feels like they’re locked in to someone else’s performance. Each person seems to capture what we love about the characters from the original series without making us wish we just had the originals back.
I also have to single out Abrams’ collaboration with Daniel Mindel on the photography. They use a ton of lens flares, making them part of the look of the film. On the planets, on the different ships… there’s a difference in the lens flares just as there’s a difference in lighting and I think it really gives the film a unique visual style that I loved.
Without exception, I think the first 45 minutes of the movie is rock solid. The second act has a few problems, the biggest of which seemed to be a sequence of check-listing, making sure all the characters we know and love are on the bridge and the way they introduce Nimoy is a great hero moment, but seems very convenient. I forgive it because they pulled off the overall story, but I don’t think anybody can deny how convenient it is that Old Spock is exactly where he is when he pops back into the story.
But other than a few conveniences, I think Abrams pulled it off. STAR TREK isn’t just a successful reboot, but a genuinely fun and exciting science fiction action adventure. My biggest complaint is that it feels like they just got started up when the film ended. I want more! I want to see the further adventures of Captain James T. Kirk and his crew aboard the USS Enterprise.
Speaking of, when Orci, Kurtzman, Lindelof and Nimoy took the stage after the film they mentioned they were just now starting work on the next step and invited everybody in the audience to post their thoughts, positive and negative. They’re reading them.
My personal input would be to focus on the adventure. They have now firmly established the world, the characters and everything is primed for the big adventure film. They need an iconic villain. Eric Bana’s Nero is fine for the purposes of this story, but they need someone to challenge Kirk and his crew… not just in strength, but in a mental game, which is why people love Khan so much. He was a smart motherfucker. Those are my thoughts and friendly suggestions.
So, with the premiere in Australia probably letting out around now, I’m sure you’ll be seeing many opinions and if tonight’s surprise screening is any indication you’re going to be hearing a lot of happy geeks gushing about the film.
Our screening ended with Nimoy getting a long standing ovation and a touching speech ending with the Vulcan Salute and a “Live Long And Prosper.” STAR TREK is back, fellas. Now I'm going to pop on WRATH OF KHAN... I loved JJ's Trek, but damn... I worked myself into a Khan mood and that itch must be scratched!
-Quint
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Leonard McCoy you numpty!
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Apr 07, 2009 2:13:27 AM CDT
Yeah, that Abrams certainly can do PR and ad campaigns.
by jackpumpkinhead
Too bad he can't make decent movies. Still, when promotional campaigns are incomparably better than the films they sell (see "Cloverfield"), it's interesting, too.
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Though I can definitely agree that if I worked myself into a Khan mood, I'd still want to watch Khan.
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Yeah, the title pretty much sums it up. I'm Jealous and there's nothing I can do to change that. I'm gonna go to sleep now and in my slumber I'll be creating a better Star Trek film than the one you saw so perhaps you will be jealous of me. Envy me, I demand it.
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You're one of the few men in this world I can rely on.
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Is Captain Data really in this movie?
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...Then the more they thought about it, the more the film fell apart. The same was true of Transformers and a dozen other films.
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why didn't I go? but more importantly, is there any Shatner?
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There still won't be that many "straight" people who care.
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going to be the good ones now, instead of the even numbered ones?
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Then the more they thought about it, the more they saw it. And then you brought up Transformers, which was a surprise 300 million dollar blockbuster...and then was the highest selling dvd of the year. Just because the internet hated it, doesn't mean that the world hated it.
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Do we see any of the 24th century? How is the music?
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I'm not a huge Trek fan, but I would have loved to have been there for this. I can't imagine what the energy must have been like.
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Wow, sounds pretty good actually. Quint, did you read the Star Trek Countdown prequel comics? Do they fit in with the overall storyline of the movie? Are any events of the comics and/or Next Gen characters referred to?
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He says it in the commercial. Damn
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When I arrived, I was first....if only I had posted instead of reading Quint's review....sigh.
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I'm in!
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Your estimate, give or take 100 pounds?
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I really wanted to be right and that when the timeline was altered Old Kirk would appear at the end with Old Spock. Oh, well. Still looking forward to it!
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no next gen, no Shatner.
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Fixed it... Guess my X-Men upbringing got the better of me as I was furiously writing this. I know better, brain fart.I didn't read the comics leading up, but no Data and no Shatner. Giacchino's score is really good, but not as good as Goldsmith or Horner... The best was the end credits music.
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All those years of ST movies done on less than big movie budgets with TV crews. Over. Thanks for this review, Quint. And especially a big thanks to Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof. Live long and prosper...
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He's seen it too early!!!! This is an early review!!!!! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!
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He has only directed one you have seen - MI3
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and how about that star trek fighting music?
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What I'm getting at is...what if they switcheroo is still in play? If the Supreme Court was clever enough to pull this stunt in Austin, what's to say there are not some surprises in store for May 8?
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Must suck.
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Apr 07, 2009 2:31:57 AM CDT
Yeah, what if what he actually saw was Terminator 4?
by gibsonusa returns
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Sucks! I enjoyed the comics because they established the new movie firmly within a Next Gen context (even if the dialogue was downright awful at times).
Oh well, I guess Nemesis will be the last time we see Picard onscreen. Doesn't he deserve as much of a swansong as Kirk got? I mean, the guy's not even fat and can actually ACT! -
In my earlier paranoid post.
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Ooooo...Did we get the original theme?
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Everything works, even when it doesn't work, the villian is no kahn and he's weak, but surprise. He doesn't have to be and i totally accept this alternate reality and I wouldn't mind seeing more of it. Did I mention the entire cast is awesome! You know why everything about this movie is awesome? Because we got Nimoy on stage and got to see Abram's ST early. How could I say anything negative about the movie? After all. One hand washes the other. Yes, Quint is actually promoting the movie, to change the naysayer's minds. Once it comes out and all the promoting is done. Will get the real reviews. Yeah that's right. I smell a plant!
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The kids in the class HATED the Next Generation. They treated them like wannabes...like new Ghostbusters or something.
I remember the class used to draw "wars" on the chalkboard...one side the high and mighty original Trek squad, and on the other side the pussy-ass tiny Next Generation drawn about half the size with their little weak phasers. And the originals would be drawn obliterating the Next Generation. Memories... -
And there's a fantastic injoke involving a guy wearing a red jumpsuit. hehCritch, you know it.
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Quint, please think carefully. Are you able to hum Giacchino's theme right now? That is the ultimate test.
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So what the hell is the smoke monster??? ;)
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A V A T A RDecembernothing else matters
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So Wrath of Khan and everything else is void.
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Thank you for answering quickly Quint. I cannot be more excited.
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This movie looks awsome..
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You're wrong about this one. That might have been the hope of the studio in arranging this screening, but I am telling you my honest thoughts. You're exaggerating my review to make it out like I'm giving it a pass, but I'm not. There are troubles, I highlight them, but none of them derailed my enjoyment of the movie... not because the studio asked me to or demanded it. I had no idea I was seeing this tonight. These are my thoughts and I stand by them.
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We've seen the villain stuff done pretty much to death. I hope you can somehow get the crew into a plot that forces them to solve a problem with ingenuity and teamwork that doesn't involve some badass villain. Think of something mixing the grandeur of STAR TREK: TMP and the humanity and humor of STAR TREK IV. If you can pull that off, you will have a truly groundbreaking and true-to-TREK show on your hands.
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Karl Urban really does deserve the "heart" award for this movie. His performance as Bones really stands out. All the new cast was solid, but Urban steals every scene he's in. Note to writers, more Bones in Trek 2 please.
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Apr 07, 2009 2:40:45 AM CDT
Hey Quint, settle this little internet debate about the new Ente
by zillabeast
The little caps on the ends of the engines...what color do they glow? Red? Blue? Dark with blue spots?
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Vin Diesel pretty much plays a comic book superhero in this version.. He is Psychic, impervious to bullets, and can hold an 1,000 pound engine with one hand... crazy huh?
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Now THAT'S why I come to this site. Great review Quint, I skipped bits as I'm avoiding as much plot as possible. But I get the idea. Great movie, not perfect, but gonna be a crowd-pleaser. What says Harry?
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Yes, I can, but it's because it's the original theme song. heh Other than that, I couldn't hum anything from memory.
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Read a good point, any classic themes in the movie at all...?
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Fast, ha, ha. Question answered.
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Though I imagine it won't compare to the experience above.
Nimoy is a class dude.
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Giacchino composed his own original theme and all you can remember is the original theme song from the end credits! Giacchino's score is a failure!!!!!!
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of the TNG crew.. Recast Picard as the young man we never saw being a badass... Lets see a young Riker banging every chick he meets.. The possabilites are endless...
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Is because they were caught off guard and surprised. The kid inside them briefly awakened, suppressing their sad adulthood need to prove how cool their are by criticizing everything in the world. Once the initial thrill wore off, they were able to settle back into their more practiced rut of douchebaggery.
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Any chance we'll see either of them in future films?
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...and getting a blowjob instead! You lucky shit!
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The directing sucks, the actors suck, Chris Pine and Sylar are so yesterday. I could have done the special effects so much better. The sad part is, if I just came out and told you all how cool and all around awesome I am, you would immediately get defensive and take the opposite stance. It would be a lot less work if you would just take my word for it, because all this complaining is a full time job.
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I have to say it was one of the things that disappointed me. I really loved the movie... but the "in story" score felt, adequate. The problem is, I've always felt the score was in essence the Enterprise's voice. Sadly this score never gives Enterprise her moment to shine like the previous films do. Oh, she has her moments... but nothing truly iconic. One of the very few flaws in an overall fantastic movie.
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To leak it out a month in advance means they know they've got a winner. While I think it's a little cocky of them to show it off this early, they've managed to generate the buzz they were looking for on the internet.
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Can you remember the main theme? Any theme at all? How does it compare to Goldsmith, Horner, Rosenman, et al?
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Apr 07, 2009 2:55:00 AM CDT
Yeah, thats some pretty frakking cool news right there
by col. tigh-fighter
Stoked, I am!
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Does it look "right" if you know what I mean? Or was it distracting to see the weird differences from prior TOS versions?
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There is no comparison for me. I think Horner's score for Wrath Of Kahn is one of the best movie scores laid down. That said, Giacchino is a very strong composer and did a fine job scoring the movie... but none of it is iconic. Just solid. The end credits are a tribute to the original themes though. I wish they'd used more of the original notes in some of the main score for the film. But I don't think it hurts the movie, the score is still a "good" movie score. The only times it feels pff is during the hero shots of the Enterprise. They feel a little flat because of the new score.
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Or will they be deleted?
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Glad we get original themes...Are there hints of anything from Horner or the other composers?
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Enterprise was great looking. This comes from someone that has a NCC 1701-A model I painted when I was 14 sitting on my desk. The only issue I have is when you see it in space for the first time... they just kind of cut to it. No slow loving reveal... just, oh, look at that, there it is. The cut they choose to use in the first reveal suffers from a lack of scale and awe, just bam, full side view. But the movie makes up for that later when the Enterprise gets to kick ass and really shine. So fear not, she looks right, and she's still the best ship in the fleet.
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Huge deal, yes. Hard for me to fathom Giacchino's music getting anything less than a rave review. Dissapointing to hear.
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Can anyone remember an original theme?
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First off, thanks for answering us. My next question is re: Kirk's rise to the Captain's seat. Does it make sense in the story or does it feel rushed, like one minute he's a college dropout, the next he's running the 'Fleet's flagship vessel?
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If it makes you feel any better, a music composer friend of mine who was at the screening tonight was gushing about Giacchino's score (then again, he's not a big fan of Horner in general). I respect his opinion quite a bit, so maybe everyone else will love it. I might be too biased because I love the old notes so much.
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Hey, Devin at Chud was saying that Chekov dies and the reset button is used...That was weeks ago so those aren't spoilers...Is there any truth to a reset button being used?
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Im sure we will be getting some more samples of the music in the coming weeks....can't wait!
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It's a tiny bit contrived, as is everyone's placement in their "parts". But not super ridiculous at all. When he joins Star Fleet, 3 years pass before he's on the Enterprise (and he's considered a great student). So he's not some stow away that accidentally takes over the Enterprise. It all makes sense in the course of the story.
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I'm an old school Trek fan. I was cynical when I saw the trailers for this remix, but this movie really won me over tonight. The pros : The new cast, story, visuals (very "used world" and practical look), and no cop outs. Cons: A few "fan dialog" moments that feel a little forced and awkward (very few though and forgivable) The engine room of the Enterprise looks like a glue factory from 1982 while the rest of the ship looks very sleek (yes, I realize it's an engine room and should look rough, but it felt like it wasn't even on board the Enterprise when we see it), the characters kept "lucking" into their old positions on the Enterprise over and over. But the majority of the film really works perfectly. So much fun for Trek fans and non Trek fans alike. My wife started crying when Nimoy came out as a surprise to intro the film. She didn't grow up a film geek like me, but she did grow up loving the Trek movies and Nimoy as Spock was, as always, note perfect. It was a great night. Thank you to Paramount, Harry and the Alamo for an amazing screening. This one will go down in the geek history books. The writers mentioned they were working on the script for Star Trek 2 right now... let's hope one of the crew members of the Enterprise doesn't briefly toy with the idea of growing a goatee. :)
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If you don't mind, it's really awesome that you're here for us "fans out in the cold." Does Pine pull it off? Not that he behaves/acts like Shatner, but do you believe Pine has the "gravitas" to be a Starship captain or does the center seat seem a little too big for him?
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Feels very much like ToS Kirk. They paint him as a genius, but one that leaps before he looks. Pine pulls it off, very likable as Kirk. There are even a few "Shatner" moments that he does that are VERY subtle but really work and made the fan in me smile. His work with Urban (Bones) is going to make all the fans smile. They have the Kirk/McCoy chemistry right off the bat, fantastic. I think the second film will bring new Spock into that fold. I think the highest compliment I can pay to this film is, I want to see part 2 right f'ing now.
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I don't remember, but he does get to use a sword, which is great ("what kind of combat did you say you trained in?" "fencing")! Sulu was a big surprise for me, I didn't think he'd be in the film much, but he has quite a lot to do, and they make him really kick a whole lot of ass.
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I'll say this... no cop outs.
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So I say to myself, this Knowles, your boss, he had chivatos like that working for him, his judgment stinks. I only tell you once. Don't ever be a plant, Quint. Don't you ever try to Plant me.
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goodnight/morning dude. If I come across you again on the TBs, be prepared for more pestering!
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Apr 07, 2009 3:27:24 AM CDT
Kurtzman and Orci appeared in front of genuine movielovers
by kwisatzhaderach
...and they're still alive? What happened there guys? Why didn't you take your revenge for all the crap they've foisted on us?!
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You lucky fuckers!!!!! The idea of a pristine print of Kahn was almost enough for me to book airline tickets. If I'd even had a inkling you were going to pull off this kind of stunt....
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good job
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So, certain PLANETS stay destroyed? They don't find a way to save Vulcan?
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So this big modern blockbuster is an apéritif?
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Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn Kahn seriously... Kahn :)
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...but all these people came to see Khan! Don't be susprised if someone sues you because you didn't give him what he wanted. People got sued in this country for less!
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Oh definitely man, it's a great setup film.
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You like Kahn's sausages and meats?
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they made the audience promise not to tell. If William Shatner's not in this in some capacity, then I call bullshit. That would be a major, awful flaw.
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.... to have Kahn The enterprise can come across the botany bay all over again. this time tho, they can have the information that this has happened before. there can be a tangent and before too long Kahn is back in form, taking control of the enterprise, dog fighting with the crew as they try and get back the ship.... just a thought, yknow
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the whole set up to the presentation sounded amazing, and i'm not even that much of a trek fan
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thank you all for not killing us!
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and it sounds like the movie is.. meh.
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Honestly, if Shatner had shown up somehow I would have been pissed. It made perfect sense that Spock Prime was there... but in this story, there would have been no reason for old Kirk to show up. He died in Generations (yes, I know he comes back in the books, but that doesn't count in movie world) ... Kirk would have been dead in Prime Spock's future time, this is post Nemesis... Kirk would have been long dead from old age anyway. Maybe Shatner will show up in Star Trek 2, but I think having him in this one would have been too much. Honestly, what I would love for them to do is a TV- Next Gen reunion movie... search for Kirk? I'd rather not see Shatner show up in these new movies at all because that would mean more time travel. I think it worked in this movie as a setup for a new Universe, but I wouldn't want to keep seeing it used as a device in the sequels. Otherwise it would turn into Enterprise.
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Or does Pine lose like a little girly man?
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totally change the entire aesthetic of the Star Trek universe, canon and history, which I am interested in but not completely sold on, but figuring out a way to get Shatner, the man who is responsible for making Trek what it is, in this film some-how, some-way. I just don't buy it. It seems to be a big dumb Star Trek movie, and I'm not sure I'm into that.
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Well, it is the unbeatable test. For some.
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Sounds like he doesn't live up to his "FIRE EVERYTHING!!" line everyone loved in the last trailer.
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How many times do I have to hear that phrase trotted out to defend pedestrian, Lowest-Common-Denominator bullshit.
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Uh, BendersShinyAss? It's "Khan", unless Mel Brooks made a TREK film back in the 70s...
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they used archive footage of Spock's death to find out that he transferred his 'Soul' into McCoy. I just thought they could use a similar device to show archive footage of Prime Kirk. Therefore, having him in the film without upsetting the order of Abram's new universe.
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Does Greg Grunberg have a cameo? I really don't know If I can bothered to see this if doesn't. Granted, that's a complete and utter lie, but I stand by my statement.
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Shiny new ship, brand now high tech gadgets, and STILL no edit button. *Sigh*
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Screw it. It's too early in the morning for this.
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woulda been worth a trip to texas (and risking execution) to see it
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You're a lucky guy. Gotta hand it to you, classy work getting Nimoy there in person. Must have been a thrill for the crowd.
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young Podracer Kirk stealing the car?
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I cannot wait to see this.
Saddned by the "No Data, No Shatner" comment - was hoping for even a quick bit of TNG action, but what the hell, huh?
It isn't supposed to be a 2hr fanwank, so I guess I'll get over it.
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Can't see why everyone loves this film so much.
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I KNEW I should have went to Austin yesterday. I suspected this was happening, but I wasn't able to get off work. Congrats to Harry, Quint, and everyone for a successful screening!
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(((got my fingers stuck in my ears)))
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im seeing it anyway so i dont need to read a review. im expecting trek to be awesome though and im gonna force my non-nerdy friends to watch it.
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...because it was an actual review, not a jumbled mess filled with name-dropping and rambling. Well done, Quint.
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PLEASE PLEASE BEFORE THE NEXT GEN CREW GETS TOO OLD. MAKE A CROSSOVER WHERE THE NEXT GEN CREW GOES BACK AND MEETS THE YOUNG KIRK CREW. I WOULD SHOOT NERD JUICE EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW IT!
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Remember how adamant Herc was that Shatner was in this one? I thought he knew "a whole fucking lot about the movie that you do not". It seems people are better off getting their inside scoops from a magic 8 ball than from Herc. Oh, well. I guess actually knowing what the fuck you're talking about isn't as important as being a pimp for Amazon.com.
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...original Star Trek fan douchebags who won't give this film a chance. I will. But if Shatner and Nimoy don't share a post-timeline change moment at the end of this film, I will be very pissed and disappointed by the missed opportunity.
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I swear!!!
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Because, so far as I can tell, any one who enjoys any movie on any level is a plant these days.
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Ok I know this is petty but I swear I have lost sleep over this. Someone who has seen the movie simply must tell me how they launch the enterprise. I have sworn to my friends if they strap booster rockets to that thing and lauch it into space I will walk out of the theater.
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It's not a moment you see. The moment Kirk rides his bike up to it as it's being built and the moment when he arrives on board are separated by 3 years. It's already in space when we next see it.
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I think there should be a 48-hour wait period between the screening and writing the review. This sounds like it was blast because it was such a great switchup - go see Khan and get surprised with the entire new Trek movie. I'm sure this was done with a sense of fun but it also probably really jazzed the reviewers so much that they would be more forgiving of a less-than-stellar film. I haven't seen the new Trek so I can't say for sure, but I remember how I walked out of Phantom Menace thinking it was a whole lot better than it was, and that was because I saw it in a packed theater full of SW geeks on opening day. About 12 hours later the crushing realization that the movie really sucked set in. I'd like to hear a review from someone who let the film settle in their minds a bit after the euphoria of the surprise showing wore off.
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Unlike FatShat owning the role of Kirk, which he doesn't, you can't bring Khan back. Montalban owned that role. It would be like putting George Bush on Mount Rushmore.
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I had no doubt it would be fast paced, action packed and beautiful...but not ONE reviewer has mentioned the script. Not one hyperbolic, Red Bull fueled, freshly Star Fucked reporter has said a word as to whether those nitwits stuck in fart,piss,and masturbation jokes. Nobody has said squat about how these characters interact with their world, other than they are reverential while feeling "fresh". PLEASE tell me that Hack ORCI pulled a rabbit out of his base pandering ass and wrote with some heart and respect...tell me he has risen above everything he has shat on us before...tell me this is a GOOD script and not another Orci/Kurtzman punch job.
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change how the Enterprise was built? Would that really affect the fact that Enterprise was built in space and in this new timeline it's built on Earth?
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Great review. Thank you for not taking 1800 words to get to the discussion of the actual movie.
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Those are big shoes to fill. I'd hate to be the actor who tries to fill them.
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Quickly, before they cast Gael Garcia Bernal.
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Apr 07, 2009 11:20:44 AM CDT
I hope they try this SWITCH for GB3 for the first film
by six demon bag
austin burns to the ground
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That you never pick a winner for, too?
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Hank McCoy brain fart aside, reading everyone else's 'reviews', yours really shines. Cheers fella.
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Incredible story. And i want to share it with fellow geeks. But ... I'm already getting complaints that there are too many spoilers contained herein. Any chance of posting a spoiler-free version of this story?
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Be creative, Jesus. Who needs an alt-verse Khan? That's fan-fiction material all the way. How about STAR TREK goes back to exploring outer space? Crazy idea, I know. But imagine a Trek movie 1) without a villain, 2) without anyone saying the word "revenge!", 3) without time travel and 4) with a puzzle or problem that takes the whole crew to solve! Please, move forward with this story.
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Wrath of Khan just isn't that good. Its just NOT a great movie. I am not a huge Trek fan, but the only really great writing I have seen in anything Star Trek is from the old next generation show. I watched TWOK again maybe a couple of months ago, and you guys need to get over it. It doesn't deserve the hype.
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dickhard says make it so..........
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is there any mention or sign of Borg technology being implemented? That's what happens in the comics, you see, and it looked quite promising.
Not that anyone would know the Borg back then... and btw: FUCK "Enterprise" and "Voyager" for everything they did to ruin Trek!
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Great theater experience.
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bfi imax at waterloo, now booking get them while you can!
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Apr 07, 2009 1:33:32 PM CDT
“The Expendables” PICTURES HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by fam8sion
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You want villains for this next film in the Abram's Trek? They have a rogues gallery that would rival Batman. I'd like to see big screen interpretations of Charlie X, Mudd, Kirk from the Mirror Mirror universe (Shatner anyone?), General Trelane, Nomad, Gary Seven ... there's a huge list to draw upon ... and then there is Khan. Personally, I'd love to see Shatner as Kirk from the Mirror, Mirror universe go up against Pine's Kirk.
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At the theater I got ripped off at while watching CLovershit..people fucking laughed..and one dude screamed "THAT FUCKING SUCKED"
Cloverfield was a steamer...a new high in lows..a movie so bad it is unwatchable on the small screen and doesn't even work to as fodder for getting loaded too. Complete Fail. -
if you're getting a blowjob during it. Ask me how I know.
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If so, do they have ridges or old school Klingons?
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Once this hits a week after Origins Wolverines fate will be sealed. Take that Fox.
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You guys are lame.
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What's the upside to retelling old stories like that? They can and should do better with this new series. Create new characters and stories! They've written themselves into a place where they can go anywhere. So... go and do it!
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It's not rehashing ... it's saying that there are great villains in the Trek world that can be rebooted in new and great ways. There is a huge amount of characters. Was it rehashing to bring Khan back for Wrath of Khan? No. It made for a great movie because he was a great villain. I'd rather see movie with Batman fighting the Joker than Batman fighting some made up villain.
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Give us the flashback to the Black Rock dude... don't finish up season 6 without it dude.. I'm talking the high seas, swashbuckling, splashing waves, the starboard bow.. all of it dude. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. You and Cuse owe us from the Libby backpeddle you did. Comeon now.
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Into its fold via Lindelof. Very cool move.
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This all sounds good but I definitely don't want the old continuity to disappear forever. Maybe these movies can be Trek's equivalent of Marvel's Ultimate books and future Trek projects can move the story forward in the old continuity? Having two continuities works well for Marvel...
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Does Trek anally rape my great-grandfather's corpse while shoving pussyjuice-covered shitballs up my cockhole thereby causing me to cum diarrhea into my own open and willing mouth?
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...to watch this film. I am so desperate to like this film. Is there ANYTHING else coming out this summer?
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I get nervous anytime this site gushes about some new event movie. Their track record is awful, and usually the things they say are great are sub-standard or worse.
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I really hope this movie is as good as they say it is. After Enterprise I need some good Trek.
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Plus some clips http://digg.com/d1nrMA
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For no reason other than it just popped into my head- the animated series is so under appreciated.
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That is the most ANNOYING SHIT I've ever seen here at AICN. More annoying than goddamned ScriptGirl.
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I can hear the audio, but not the ad!!
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is what I meant to say
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This isn't being rebooted, just re-focused. Time travel changes the continuity,(frees it up) just doesn't erase it. NOT A REBOOT!@
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Zod-how is changing the continuity not a reboot? That's the definition of a reboot.
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I love films with a wear & tear feel to it, of course i'm more of a midnight movie maven. But i think it adds to the viewing experience.
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I know what JJ brought to the show but I'm not interested in tinkering the characters for the MTV/Nickelodeon, Disney Channel bunch. Transformers 2 I will see!
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Apr 08, 2009 8:55:55 AM CDT
Give a Khan a rest, its starting to sound like the GOP with thei
by the founder
Seriously Kahn was over 20 years and so was Ronald reagan. Let the past go.
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Given and not earned.
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Kirk's ass was a perfect match for Pike's...AND A LEGEND WAS BORN.
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Kirk and Spock were impossibly outmatched by Khan - he was, by far, their intellectual superior. The thing that brought Khan down was his all-consuming zeal and lack of experience, not a lack of intelligence.
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I'm not sure if Khan is soley just an icon or phenom from 20 years ago. During the the 90s and up to maybe five or so years ago, some popular video stores had entire sections devoted TOS Trek and Space Seed (along with Mirror, Mirror and a few others) seemed to be always out.I'm just sayin.
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is the only review on this site that I care about. The review from Empire seems pretty fair to me, also. I have quibbles but I am a die hard Trek fan. This movie looks like a great way for me to waste my money in a theater. And BTW: Kirk and Spock bested Khan twice. He might have had the superior intellect and strength but he weren't no proppa playa. 0-2 record speaks for itself. Fail is fail.
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would be rap music. The corvette should definitely be blaring the screaming rockabilly of Johnny Powers "Long Blonde Hair"
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Talkback adds spaces!
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I don't want to have to wait until midnight May 8--the 7th is my birthday and I told my husband he's taking me to the midnight showing.
As for Khan...Khan is Montalban. Nobody else could ever play that part again, the role is so associated with him, just like it'd be impossible to have a Joker who wasn't Heath Ledger.
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*They need an iconic villain.* Stop trying to stuff everything into your post Khan expectations. What made Star Trek 6 so great was that it brought a new kind of enemy, prejudice, rather then some rogue character set on a course for revenge. Kirk figuratively, and literally, fought himself in VI..it caused him and everyone around him to grow up a bit.. Sure there was Chang, but he was just one of several gate keepers. Don't get me wrong, I love Wrath of Khan, but not every story HAS to be Star Trek 2.
Now I haven't seen the new movie and originally didn't want to, but yes! The buzz has taken me over. Fine, it's Utlimate: Star Trek. I can live with that; but if Batman begins was followed by the Joker, then I'd say Startrek 11 *where are we at now?* should be about Klingons, and you know I'm right. If I had to give some advice blindly, I'd love to see more exploration then simple TNG space patrolling, as well as an injection of Hornblower. I'd love to see a green Kirk forced to go against a well-trained Klingon bird of prey. I'd also love to see Aliens that aren't simply humans with ridgey foreheads. Klingons should be ALIENS, not cuddly like TNG, as foreign to us as insects, and think and fight outside human expectations - real masters of space combat. If they want a historical template though maybe they could be LIKE Nazi Marauders and Kirk could go against their Klingon equivalent of Rommel - really cut his teeth and show us why Kirk is so revered throughout the galaxy while showing us why Klingons are so feared.
Just a thought.
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Should be about Mugatu. That is all.
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Your Batman Begins-TDK is a great analogy IMHO. If Batman Begins was followed by the Joker in TDK, it would be fitting to follow up this "Kirk Begins" Star Trek with an arch villian comparable to the Joker like Khan, only reboot Khan too.With an imaginative story, it is possible to have exploration AND a rebooted/re-imagined Khan at the same time.My suggestion is to re-imagine Khan by giving him and his superhumans the great empire he dreamed of. This way you can include Klingons and other alien types, as well as unexplored, unchartered territory claimed by Khan and under his dominion.With imagination, Khan's empire or realm wouldn't be a rehash of the Star Wars-type galactic empire. Nonetheless, the same thing could probably be done minus Khan with the Klingon Empire.
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"first" ?
Fail.
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it's actually coming out may 9th. i'm a normal human. i have to work the next day so midnight is out. Anyone have any idea what day of the week this is? don't have a calender next to me here at the libary. i'm thinking friday. so maybe i'll call out sick. oops! so much for the "normal" human comment. i agree with an earlier poster, that the next movie should be a "sense of wonder" type movie, not a stock villian screaming "fire everything!" These days though movies are too expensive to produce and the objective is to get the asses in the seats which is why you're always going to get the transformers type of movies, and not the 2001 type. TV may be the last hope as far as that goes, although there too you have the "ratings" conundrum. I would say that the Galactica reboot was the exception, taking a show that was nothing but action and artifice, and bringing alot of cerebral "what constitutes being human and/or being alien" and it suceeded under Ron Moore. Hopefully Caprica will be more of the same. (otherwise i'll just have to keep watching the old Outer Limits series over and over!) That said, i'll still watch the first movie. I consider myself more of a movie fan and science fiction fan first before being a Trek fan so i don't give a rat's ass that other actors are playing Kirk, Spock, etc. I still think it would be cool for Ellison to do a really sense of wonder Trek screenplay that isn't interfeared with at all (but it'll never happen as Trek is poison to Ellison and with good reason.) sidenote: i'm so picking up the Ellison documentary from Amazon in May. (it's frakken awesome!)
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