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TERMINATOR SALVATION is officially PG13 according to Pizza Hut?!?!

Hey folks, Harry here... Looks like TERMINATOR SALVATION is officially PG13. And while I really would prefer for this franchise to remain in the realm of R-rated badassery - there might actually be a very real reason for this. This is the first TERMINATOR that takes place entirely in the future and is more firmly entrenched in the realm of science fiction as opposed to our reality. Which suddenly gives the MPAA the excuse to say something like INTENSE SCI-FI VIOLENCE. If the MPAA decided this film was so entrenched in an unbelievable universe then they might have given the film a hard PG 13. Especially if you look at the sort of things they're allowing in R films these days... and by that, I mean an intense amount of cock. They could've looked at this film and said... HMPH NO COCK, PG13. Anyway - if you want to see it for yourself - go to Pizza Hut where you can see a Terminator Tie-In page which holds the official rating. What do you folks think about this?

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  • April 6, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Lame.

    by myspoonistoobig

    That is all.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Fuck a Duck.

    by jimmy_009

    Well Dark Knight was PG 13 and it still kicked ass. Here's hoping.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    PG-13 cuz of the need for Marketing sponsors/tie-ins?

    by George Newman

    Is it PG-13 so we can get Terminator Happy Meals?? YeeHaw

  • April 6, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    second

    by paviod

    yes indeed lame

  • April 6, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    McPG

    by Skuzz

    Still hoping this kick ass.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    It sucks.

    by V'Shael

    But what sucks even more is that this won't be a gritty sci-fi movie at all. It'll be on a par with Transformers or Wild Wild West. Stupid CGI and spectacle at the expense of plot.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    So, no dirty sweaty future boobs...

    by turketron

    I agree that there has been too much cock in R rated movies lately... we need some vag and major boobage back in our films.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    There will never be an R rated Batman movie

    by GAH

    But there has never been a non R rated Terminator movie. Much like Die Hard, this could be bad news.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU PIZZA HUT!!!

    by Mike_D

    blah!

  • April 6, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    As if T2 wasn't CGI and spectacle?

    by turketron

    come on.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Great...

    by vettebro

    No blood & guts...How can it be PG-13 with Christian Bale in it? "Get out of my FUCKING SHOT!" "McG, get this fucker off the fucking set. Motherfuck! Fucking unprofessional fuck!"...PG-13??? What the fuck?...

  • April 6, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    YIPPE KI YAY MOTHER (gunshot noise)!

    by dixieflyer

    PG13 Terminator, heh.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    The abundance of Arnie weiner and graphic gore

    by Mike_D

    made the past films "R".

  • April 6, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Total Bullshit

    by Eldawg

    Just how Die Hard 4 was PG-13, I hate to see these franchises take the "more money" strategy. There's no such thing as hard PG-13 . . .it's either intense violence with fuck bombs, or else you have an X-Men move. Again, this is total bullshit!

  • April 6, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    PG-13 = more money but weaker movie

    by Rupee88

    I guess I don't blame them for cashing in on the stupidity of the masses, but it is a bit sad.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    R...

    by thewizardofoz

    ...PG-13...G...still don't give a shit!

  • April 6, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    R...

    by thewizardofoz

    ...PG-13...G...still don't give a shit!

  • April 6, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Not surprised

    by Lando Griffin

    and even then I can't say I really mind. I was really weary of LFODH but came away liking it despite its rating. Looking back at T2 and T3 its all mainly sci-fi, robot action violence, not a ton of blood and gore. I can live with this. Plus everything coming out for this looks cool in spite of McG.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Pussy ass T2 would not be R today. Salvation will own you.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 6, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Maybe the MPAA made exceptions for bigger B.O. cash-in.

    by Mike_D

    i heard they're pretty lenient these days.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    GHOSTBUSTERS was PG-13 back in the day, now its PG.

    by Mike_D

    ratings always change to today's society's acceptances.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    That's BLUE cock

    by photoboy

    If it's normal coloured they allow it. Didn't McG promise us an R-rated film with Moon Bloodgood's tits? Guess he lost that battle.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    I don't know...

    by wampa 1

    ...but it sure smells good!

  • April 6, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    who cares?

    by j2talk

    who cares?whats the big deal between pg13 and R anymore..

  • April 6, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    thejwac

    by thejwac

    T2 was sponsored by Subway. The sponsors/studios should grow a sack. At least the Terminator TV show has some balls. Close up of Derek Reese with a bullet hole in his head.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Can topless scenes make it into PG-13 movies nowadays?

    by Rindain

    Across the Universe & Titanic had boobs and were PG-13, maybe McG won't have to cut Moon Bloodgood's topless scene after all.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    okay but, why no cock?

    by CherryValance

    (can't believe I just asked that.)

  • Look, the first TERMINATOR trilogy starring SCHWARZENEGGER were all R. Now that it's the future war and a brand new trilogy of TERMINATOR films, I expected a PG-13 from the word go. Would I have prefered R. Yes! But it really doesn't matter, as long as McG delivers some really intense R rated stuff in this PG-13 film! Bring on the SCHWARZENEGGER cameo!

  • April 6, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Cock Cock Cock

    by Unscripted

    I love the fanboy mentality - guts all over are okay, gore knee-deep is okay, scare scenes that make half the audience shit its pants are okay, boobs are okay, a little dancing snatch is okay... but dangle a little dong around and you all freak out like Victorian schoolmistresses. You're all closet gays, just face it and shut up about cock on the screen for five whole seconds!

  • April 6, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Horse Shit

    by TwoTonLeither

    FUCK a pg terminator. I am officially missing this watery turd.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to seeing this...

    by Frank Black

    ...on cable! Hollywood, grow some balls!!!

  • April 6, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Sell out

    by DARKJEDI

    Thats what happens when you sell out for money versus product.....

  • April 6, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Lower rating = higher box office

    by Pongo

    More people can see it. Obviously doesn't apply to all movies, but it's why we're seeing major blockbusters end up with a PG-13 rating or lower.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Yeah..it still may work out...but...

    by vettebro

    I still would have liked to see some terminators graphically terminating...It would have made the movie heavier. Isn't that the point? Post apocalyptic? War is hell, etc...I don't see John Conner dancing in the charred daisies with his rifle. Anyone get my point? Hard "R" would have been better IMO.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Changed ending due to AICN?

    by Lando Griffin

    Moviehole is reporting that a new ending was shot due to AICN's script review last June. Anyone here this before?

  • April 6, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    doesn't matter

    by nostairway

    If the original terminator was released today it would have absolutely gotten a PG-13 rating, and T2 probably would have as well. An R rating today allows anything just short of Bukakake or scat so an R rating isn't really necessary for this kind of movie.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    T2 and T3 would get a PG-13 under today's ratings

    by chaseguy17

    How often did they swear? How bloody was it? even the impale through the milk carton scene is tame compared to today's standards. You see more gore on an episode of heroes. This film will have just as much action and just as dark as those films. To make the film R...the directors would have had to make this even more gorier than than T2 and T3...and people would likely make complaints that the Powers that be were trying too hard.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Danny's right: T2 would be PG-13 by today's standards.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    The rating doesn't make or break the movie. "The Dark Knight" was about as complex, dark and adult as a Summer movie can get and it was PG-13. Blood and guts (or even tits) won't give you a better story or more rounded characters. Those elements can "add value" to a movie that's otherwise unwatchable, but certainly won't help here.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm...

    by codymr

    I guess I'll have to wait for the R rated director's cut DVD.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    This will make no difference on its quality...

    by Davidia

    DK was PG-13 and could've very easily been R. The line between PG-13 and R is hardly there anymore, save for a few variables (like...cock, or excessive swearing/major gore), the two ratings hardly have a difference anymore.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    As long as War Monkeys is rated R...

    by barneyshouldbeputdown

    I don't give a hootenanny about cyborg violence. Cyborg blood isn't real, and McG has big nasty boots to fill.

  • April 6, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    PG-13 today still only allows a few "fucks"

    by Rindain

    So T1 is out. Plus the Linda Hamilton / Biehn sex scene wouldn't be allowed by today's sexually prudish MPAA.

  • April 6, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    The reason T3 was R

    by myspoonistoobig

    Is the one scene where the TX shoves her arm through the driver's seat of a car, through the driver to grab the steering wheel. If they cut that, THEN it would be a PG-13. In T2 they'd probably have to cut the part where the T-1000 shoots his finger through the security guard's head and probably the milk carton shot too. I feel like I'm forgetting something else as well. And Ghostbusters was never PG-13. There was one run of videotapes (classic logo on black) that mistakenly had the PG-13 logo on them, but it was always rated PG.

  • April 6, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    First photoshopped Terminator dong!

    by SimianJones

    http://is.gd/r6i6

  • April 6, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    they should throw in a skullfuck scene and make it R

    by HaterofCrap

    skulls need love too

  • April 6, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    It's (gunshot) distracting!!!!!!!

    by Lashlarue

    (gunshot) ass!

  • April 6, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Ghostbusters was never PG13

    by Biffs_Pleasure_Paradise

    Because that rating didn't come about til later that year. Plus GBII was also PG. And I do have to agree that T2 would probably be rated PG13 today, with the exception of a few scenes that are questionable.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    You and me, we're done professionally.

    by Lenny Nero

    ...

  • April 6, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    FUCK

    by TheMcflyFarm

    fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

  • April 6, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    TALK TO THE HAND

    by punto

    and other hillarious catch phrases. That's why I think.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    AICN apologizing for the studio

    by raystevensonwarzone

    AICN was against it being R, but now they are all like, well, it is so great that it is PG-13, which is basically R these days, right guys? guys?

  • April 6, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    most great scifi movies are PG13

    by BMacSmith

    its not the end of the world. I dont expect gore or horror from my Terminators anymore. T2 had maybe 2 mildly gruesome parts in it. and to be honest they didnt fit in the rest of the movie.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Surprisingly,

    by cinemixtape.com

    this may be the first scoop Harry has ever gotten from ordering pizza. But the odds were that it had to happen eventually.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    So you're saying T4 needs more PENIS

    by zillabeast

    Big ol T-6900 cock gun. Sends the humans running to their foxholes.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    How about crediting the talkbacker who spotted this?

    by JuanSanchez

    In the Expendables twitter thread? Hm?

  • April 6, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    you only get R ratings from tits and ass nowadays

    by BMacSmith

    but you can get away with all the violence you want. look at CSI on TV. there is some gory shit on that show.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    UK cinema ratings

    by palimpsest

    TERMINATOR = 18; TERMINATOR 2 = 15; TERMINATOR 3 = 12A. That said, TERMINATOR was passed uncut at 15 for the 2001 UK DVD release. To complicate things further, the original release of T2 was trimmed slightly by Carolco to ensure the 15 rating. Interestingly, the recent KNOWING was passed uncut at 15 in the UK rather than the milder 12 certificate which is closest to the US PG-13 cert. I'd expect SALVATION to come in at PG-13 and either 12/15 in the UK (I'd expect 15, but you never know). Mind you, in the UK, we don't care about nudity in movies, and action fantasy violence is unlikely to be cut at all at 15 (some trims might be thought appropriate for the 12 certificate that the studios prefer these days).

  • April 6, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    yes Ghostbusters ALWAYS PG

    by George Peppard

    PG-13 sucks for a Terminator.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    by George Peppard

    this is supposed to be a SCARY, gruesome world of the future where people are exterminated and piled high in concentration camps! And it's possible that SOLDIERS might say the F word more than once in that situation.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Why a "hard" rating?

    by jambone

    What happened to a rating being a rating? Why is everything a hard R or a hard PG-13. Is there a hard G or PG?

  • April 6, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    PG-13 doesn't give this a free ride or an instant ball kick.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    I'm not the world's biggest McG fan, and wasn't excited intially about this, and not much has changed. I literally hate the idea of Transformer-sized terminators and don't think motorcycle terminators much any sense at all. However, the rating doesn't make a bit of difference to me. This is a film that I hope to enjoy the way I enjoyed "T3." Based on what I'd heard and seen from "T3" I assumed it would be a huge piece of crap, and while still not as memorable in the long run as Cameron's films, it provided better-than-expected Summer entertainment (and a cool ending to boot!). If this film achieves anything close to that, it'll be an okay Summer escape.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Bullshit T2 would be PG-13

    by Vern

    Not only are there all the impalements, child endangerment, child crime and language but Arnold shoots about 100 or more cops. Not just people, cops. I watched it recently and it is WAY more violent than most of today's sissy action movies, regardless of what some weird revisionist nerds may say about it not counting as violence since he only horribly maims them and doesn't actually completely murder them.<p> That said, and as much as I'd prefer to see a Verhoevien bloodboath for this thing, I do think Harry is right. A futuristic war with metal robots can get away with more than the old ones did. So it's not necessarily a nail in the coffin. It is too bad they have to do this shit though, these type of movies were made for dads to bring their kids to.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Pizza Hut News

    by kershner

    Should appear in the next Robocop movie

  • April 6, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    PG13 takes away the "anything can happen" feel

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Its normal during a potentially scary part of a movie to ask "whats this rated?"<BR><BR> If the person says "PG13", then the sense of scariness is lost because you know nothing extreme is gonna happen.<BR><BR> Just having it be R (it doesnt even need to end up being a hard R) brings a sense of "anything can happen in this movie."

  • April 6, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    R-rated action movies

    by Jodet

    Are just so much violence porn. There's no reason this shouldn't be PG-13.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Have you seen what they show on network tv?

    by gotilk

    I would NOT be surprised if pg-13 got heavily re-defined in the realm of violence. But sex? Forget it. Thanks, Quakers!

  • April 6, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    How much stripping off of skin can they show with PG-13?

    by JuanSanchez

    And this is war. How about limbs flying off? People exploding? People being ripped apart by bullets and lasers? How much of that can they show?

  • April 6, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    this is NOT THE FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN for terminator salvatio

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    that was when the hired McG. This is more like a duh, of course this piece of shit is rated pg-13.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Nope. Cut about 35 seconds out and T2 is PG-13.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 6, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Showgirls would be PG by today's standards

    by kershner

    yeah.. right

  • April 6, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    I agree Jodet. R films have become Tarantino wankfests.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....talentless cunts saying "Look at me!! Look at me!! I can make R Rated big kid movies!!" <P>I like R Rates 80s films as much as the next guy. But lets get real, unless its a film thats gonna feature lots of fucking and lots of F-Bombs-- it isn't necessary at all.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    35 seconds can make a difference

    by kershner

  • April 6, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    T2 would have been PG13.

    by Christopher3

    Honestly, what's the difference between the T1000 putting a knife through Xander Berkley's mouth, and Mola Ram yanking out a beating human heart and torturing little kids? BTW, this says less about T4's business prospects than the MPAA's utter uselessness.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    I'm upset that McG had to cut stuff.

    by Rindain

    He shot it uncompromised, and has been pushing for the "R", as shown by his comments regarding Bloodgood's topless scene at WonderCon. I'll bet there is a lot fo language, violence, etc that has been cut as well to make this a PG-13. I hope at the very least we get an unrated/r-rated director's cut blu-ray out of all this.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    this will be a crappy CGI blockbuster...its McG

    by coltrautman

    anyone expecting a gritty war film...when we have Moto-terminators and giant transformer-like harvesters is kidding themselves....

  • April 6, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Lando Griffin

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I read the moviehole write up. It doesn't say a damn thing about AICN. It says they changed it due to the internet leak of the original ending. AICN can claim they posted it first and Harry can claim it was his source, but read up on his history. He stolen other people's scoop and claims it as his own his entire career.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    "Anything can happen" cinema died in the 70s.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    The thing I love about 1970s cinema is the dangerous edge on everything. Nothing seemed safe, and the good guys weren't guaranteed to win. I almost have to believe film makers had much more creative freedom to take risks.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Jodet...What???

    by vettebro

    It's a TERMINATOR movie...as in a world dominating computer network creating killer robots to eliminate mankind off the face of the Earth. "Terminate"..."Kill". That subject matter should be PG-13???

  • April 6, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    GibsonUSA Returns

    by codymr

    Yeah, I gave to agree with you... it's not that PG13 is wrong - the LOTR trilogy was PG13 if I recall? <P> But, it limits what the filmmakers can do and the viewer has a pretty good idea of how far they can go with the story. <P> That said, R for the sake of an R rating is just as lame. Violence does not always = better IMHO.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Rindain

    by coltrautman

    Ever thought that youve just been folled by McG?? the guy is a salesman...they were shooting for a PG-13 since day one...as evidenced by the toy deals that were signed a year ago

  • April 6, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    kershner

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Now that you've seen the original version it would make a difference, sure. But if a few frames here and there were never there to begin with, it would have still been jerk off pallet for loads of fat kids.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Vern

    by chaseguy17

    I respectfully disagree. When Terminator is shown on television, all of the cop shooting, most of the impalements, arnold throwing the guy on the oven, stabbing in the back, etc. are all shown. So the cop stuff does not factor as much. It definitely is intense, and there are quite a few impalings, but have you seen what they show in pg13 stuff. I mean, i've seen some dumb pg13 horror movies lately (The incredibly awful Prom night for instance)...and they've gotten bad. Pg13 horror films these days don't simply show one stabbing and the kill is finished. OH NO. you now see that killer thrusting the knife again and again and again and again into the body and blood everywhere. Used to be in a pg13 horror film that you simply saw one stabbing and that was that. Today, it is very brutal. Also look back at what they got away with in Lost world (T-rex ripping guy in two), Raiders of the Lost Arc, the Ring, X2(wolverine getting impaled time and time and time again with blood falling into a huge vat of liquid metal.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    The problem Isnt PG-13 the problem is McG

    by coltrautman

    PG-13 can be gritty and violent...check TAken, The dark knight, Casino royale......but McG is not nolan, he is not cambell....he is a CGI video director...closer to len wiseman/Paul anderson.....we're looking at another Die hard 4/AVP here....I.e. flash CGI pg-13 forgettable blockbuster

  • April 6, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    I don't care if they don't say "Fuck"

    by johnnyangelheart

    I say it enough every day for all of us. So uhhhh, fuck it.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    I love how people claim T2 is like the baddest shit ever.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Get the fuck outta here. Last time I checked Robocop was. Fuck T2.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    pepperoni and xtra mushrooms.

    by alice 13

    so no nekid cyborgs? :/

  • April 6, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    T2, as a I recall it...

    by Lobanhaki

    Had Arny yanking the flesh off his mechanical bones. The language is probably also saltier than you remember, especially from Young Edward Furlong.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    T2 would have been pg-13

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    if they cut that whole pesky John Conner little kid with a killer robot subplot and deleted every line of dialog linda hamilton had... because she drops the F bomb about 500 times. <br> yeah, but close...

  • April 6, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    coltrautman...

    by Rindain

    I gave him the befefit of the doubt,but I surely wouldn't doubt it at this point that they shot R rated material just for the director's cut, and knew all along that it would be PG-13 in theaters. Or even worse, maybe we won't even get a director's cut.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale == No R rating required

    by AshokZero

    Seriously... PG-13 does seem a bit foreign for a Terminator film. Regardless, just remember. The Dark Knight was PG-13 and Resident Evil was rated R. And we all know how that turned out...

  • April 6, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    AshokZero -- Amen.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 6, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    A good film is a good film, whatever the rating.

    by Daytripper69

    This can be a GOOD thing. Personally, I thought some of the gore in T1 and T2 were gratuitous and could easily have been cut to make a PG-rated film. In fact it probably would have brought more class to the series. Did "Psycho" have be rated R to be intense? Or "Jaws?" Or "The Dark Knight?" No, you just need a director with a little imagination. Relax, people!

  • April 6, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    I'm so sick of being brain fuc*ed

    by Turtlepride

    The studio's are using these talkbacks to control our thinking. As soon as we find out about the PG13, we have this abundance of people saying its not a big deal. It doesn't mean anything. It will still blow our minds. Give me a break with these talkback plants.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Danny so...

    by kershner

    what would you cut? Let's see if it makes a difference...

  • April 6, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Yippee-Kay-Yay-Mutha-Trucker! Terminator 4 = Die Hard 4

    by Cinemajerk

    Harry, stop trying to spin this. A Terminator movie without an R rating is gonna suck, just like Die Hard 4 did when it wimped out an got all pussified with a PG-13 rating. This franchise is dead and it WON'T BE BACK. Although I hear they're gonna turn it into a Saturday morning cartoon for the kiddies with cute little baby terminators. Yippee-Kay-Yeah-Mutha-TRUCKER!

  • April 6, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    I mean

    by kershner

    specifically what would you cut?

  • April 6, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Saving Private Ryan meets Terminator...

    by vettebro

    Now that would have been cool...Produced by Walter Hill, Directed by Brian DePalma...JC: "Terminator's....come out and playeeeaaaay!" ;)

  • April 6, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    It Was Better Than "Cats." I Want to See It Again and Again.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    McG is God. This Movie Will Rule, Even if it's Rated G! (Damn, head hurts. What's that whirring sound coming from my cell phone?)

  • April 6, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    just look at day tripper69's post

    by Turtlepride

    this could be a GOOD thing. who in there right mind thinks a pg13 will make this better. this tread is filled plants to soften this blow.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    How long until McG emails Harry to assuage our fears?

    by Rindain

    The countdown starts now

  • April 6, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    are there studio plants on this talkback??

    by coltrautman

    I cant believe that many people would be OK with the watering down of a franchises rating....let alone say T1/T2 could be pg-13...

  • April 6, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    stop whining about McG

    by Silverglade

    the guy is turning a new leaf. celebrate it. stop whining. Bale told him to fuck off until he changed his ways. He did. So how about leaving McG alone for a goddamn change. Until he fucks up, then re-convene. He is working hard to satisfy us, after all. Looks like the bugger might have pulled it off.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Americas standards....

    by Harold-Sherbort

    ..are fucked. When violent movies pass for PG-13, yet, the American Classic "Stand By Me", remains an R rated movie, well, that's just fucked up. But then again, its just some letters and a couple of numbers when you look at it. I don't live under a Jehovahs Witness roof anymore, so I can decide for myself what's objectionable!! Gosh Dang.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Vern...

    by kdog69

    The Dark Knight was PG-13 and also contained child endangerment (arguably more shocking than T2), impalement (pencil in the eye), tons of dead cops throughout. I must completly disagree that T2 wouldn't be PG-13 under modern standards. Also, 100 dead cops in T2????!!! Arnie never killed anyone in the film, remember? He only wounded (not even that badly)cops in that film. Just watched it again today on Bluray. Excellent film, but not R rated as we know today. Also, Who Framed Roger Rabbit was originally PG-13 and the DVD version now says PG.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    "...I was looking at the light"

    by Seph_J

    ...ha ha ha.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    you'd think it was a fox movie now

    by december

    that's it's been pussed. fuck you, tom rothman! (i just like saying that at every opportunity.)

  • April 6, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Silverglade...

    by vettebro

    McG has "satified us" with a PG-13 Terminator movie? Sorry mate...I don't buy it.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    is anyone realy surprised by this?

    by Cedar_Room

    ever since McGimp came onboard we all knew this was going to be weak, studio friendly CGI corporate tie-in bullshit. Jesus fucking Christ do these idiots have no idea? T2 did not peddle to its audience, it did not make things safe and tame and yet it still made shitloads of money. These terminator films are set in a future where most of the world has been destroyed, and humans are on the verge of extinction. Killer cyborgs run loose and will kill indiscriminately. This is not something that should be associated with a family pizza restaurant. FFS they can have Wolverine or Pixar shit - is there nothing that can be left just for adults??? Fuck me I had hopes for this film and possible trilogy but they've been seriously diluted by this bullshit.

  • April 6, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Also, minus the swearing...

    by kdog69

    The same amounts of violence and gore in T2 can be seen on the TV show version.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight pencil-in-eye was never shown explicitly...

    by Rindain

    T2, you see the thing poking through his head.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Ratings: watered overseas since 1991

    by palimpsest

    See my post above. There's no arc here, no 'story' to tell - just sequels for money's sake.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Maybe the rating was decided... but...

    by Seph_J

    ....McG 'wasn't there' when it happened. <p> "McG... YOU GOT ANYTHING TO SAY TO THIS FUCKING PRICK???"

  • April 6, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Harry gets his scoops now ordering pizza

    by drturing

    you've got to be fucking kidding me.<p> and your excusing its PG13ness is weak sauce. Pizza hut sauce.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Vern Are you retarded?

    by RickyDMontoya

    Did you really watch that movie recently or are you talking out of your ass? <p> He shot near some cops, but didn't kill them. <p> The T-1000 killed a single cop.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah McG, you're still the guy to me who

    by drturing

    produced Sugar Ray albums, has a douche patch, and wanted to make an evil keneivel biopic, and who tried to get christian bale without a script. Oh, and you made a PG13 terminator.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    dude that's the thing about T2

    by drturing

    in this post 911 world, the "hero" grievously wounds cops by kneecapping them. which is really darkly hilarious if you think about that shot with all the cops writhing on the ground moaning. fuck that movie's awesome.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I hope this shit leaks too

    by vini77

    Eat it you filthy pigs. Ruin another franchise why don't ya.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    kdog, Roger Rabbit was always PG

    by axel fff

    not PG-13. Not sure how that's related to Terminator's PG-13 hijinks, but yeah.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    T2 was great as is

    by Outlaw

    No need for fanboy TBer's to join in on Hollywood's remake-mania, and re-imagine T2 as a PG13 turdfest. T4 could still be great; however AICN's shills are now pretending that a PG13 Terminator is what the series needed all along. Add to that the fact that you have a shit Director who doesn't have an artistic bone in his body (judging by all of his previous work). Also moving a series from R to PG13 is a pussy move, plain and simple.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    PG-13 T2? Some people here are full of shit...

    by Kasch

    Do you know how many curse words and f-bombs are thrown out during T2? Yea, I'm sure the MPAA would've passed that playground holocaust footage with out a problem... Dumbass internet nerds.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    chaseguy17 - What's TV have to do with anything?

    by Dreamwriter

    The MPAA ratings have nothing to do with television; anything at all can show on TV, the station just gets fined if enough people complain. And the TV version cut out what blood was in the movie. You must not have seen the non-TV version in a while.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Man, fuck Pizza Hut.

    by phool2056

    It's amazing how often I find myself saying that.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    all about the Benjamins, folks.

    by yubnubrocks

    R is pretty much the new "X"... PG13 has such a ridiculously broad range that you can pack a shitload of violence and a few f-bombs and be more than fine. Unless you're doing torture porn or over the top violence, PG-13 will be just fine. Chill out everyone.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    PG-13 Terminator...

    by vettebro

    "Gosh darn it John Conner, we are going to have to send Reese back in time to save Sarah." "Crap, this sucks. He's my father". "Heck, it's the only way we can stop that Mutha-truckin' terminator!" "Dag namit, I guess your right!" "Get nekkid Reese! It's time for you to go...son" LOL!

  • April 6, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK is PG-13 too.

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    No Romulan Gore or Orion Slave Girl Titties for you TorturePorn Twelve Year Olds. Go sneak into WATCHMEN again...

  • April 6, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Ending Change

    by SanityKaos

    Who said the ending changed because of the leak? The ending changed way before the leak even happened! Bale didn't like the script and asked for it to be rewritten before he even signed on. This was when a different ending was discussed.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    VERN --- Arnold shoot 100 cops in T2?????

    by robotdevil

    What? When? The only scene I remember he shoots at the cops is outside cyberdyne when his internal computer is clear to show us that no one is killed (since John had given him the order not to kill anyone). Did i forget something?

  • April 6, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Nice try, Harry... but this is a COPOUT!!!!

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Big whoop, machines get blown up. PG-13 means that any REALISTIC carnage of humans — you know, the ones the audience are supposed to identify with — by said machines is off the table. Remember Alien vs. Predator??? That's the type of "action" we can expect with a PG-13 Terminator: Salvation.<p>The most violent thing about this movie will end up being Christian Bale's off-camera rant from a couple of months ago... >:(

  • April 6, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    star trek was always pg-13 though..

    by coltrautman

    this isnt a hatred of PG-13 films...its hating the watering down of R-rated franchises

  • April 6, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    PG-13=No Guts, No Balls, No Vag, no Fucks.

    by conspiracy

    PG-13 is the new PG.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR should NOT get the same rating as TREK

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    It's one of the Ten Commandments of Sci-Fi... REPENT!!!! >:O

  • April 6, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Agree, this will suck

    by Chief Joseph

    Also agree with Vern.<br> Since the invention of the PG-13 rating in the '80s, standards HAVE NOT CHANGED. What was R in 1991 would still be R today.<br> The "what's on TV is way worse" argument is beyond lame. With the invention of TV ratings and the V-Chip, TV standards HAVE CHANGED. That doesn't mean movie standards have.<br> We're getting another Alien VS Predator type screwjob here. McG, that "John is a Terminator" ending that they were ACTUALLY GOING TO USE until it leaked.... the signs of suckage are all there.<br> McG, do you have something to say to this prick!?

  • April 6, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    I just saw a workprint of UNC-Michigan State

    by axel fff

    and UNC whoops ass. Am I gonna get fired for saying this??

  • April 6, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Goddammit it!

    by epitone

    Are you telling me there's no cock in T4? Where's the "cancel" button on Fandango?

  • April 6, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST

    PG-13 Trek is fine..

    by conspiracy

    ..Star Trek does not exactly conjure up visions of melting humans and headshots.</p><p>But Terminator? Just look at that fucking title..."TERMINATOR", not "Adjuster" or "Rough-up-inator" or, "Hurtinator"...NO...it is FUCKING "TERMINATOR" As in KILL, Murder, Execute, Skull Fuck,relentless unmerciful, pull a baby out the womb, stomp on it, then kill the mother ruthless...</p><p>The very essence of Terminator is extreme...bring on a bit of the old Ultraviolence!

  • April 6, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

    by Mr.Krinkle

    Goddamned motherfucking douchebag dickheaded fuckbags! Fuck you Mc G! PG13 can suck my R rated cock!

  • April 6, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    In other words, T4 is direct to DVD...

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    ... because that's the only place I intend to watch it. Unrated. Things should be getting *more* hardcore as we enter the Future War, not less. And the story of Terminator shouldn't BE appropriate for 13 year olds... period.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    R rated 24 movie!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Would be cool.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    I don't understand what Terminator films you guys saw.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....I have never seen a Terminator film that I would call "Hardcore" or "Extreme." That would have been cool, but it never happened. I would have enjoyed seeing Arnold twist someone's fucking head off, or punch a hole through their face. But it never happened. Instead-- he shot people. Talk about revisionism. Fuck. If someone hadn't seen these films and they heard you guys rave about them-- they would go in expecting some Punisher: War Zone shit. Maybe you remember it more hardcore because you were like 9 at the time. I understand.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Pizza THE Hut

    by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    is Harry and PG13 Terminator is fucking bullshit.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Can Bale still say "hasta la vista baby"...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...in a PG-13 movie? Cause no hasta and you can kiss my vista goodbye. This sucks robot cock.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Hollywood...how about this instead...

    by vettebro

    Instead of stepping down soft "R" movies to "PG-13", how about ramping up soft "R" movies to a hardcore "R" with great storylines? Make it more heavy & disturbing. A dash of realism. That's how I would do a Terminator movie...That's what made the 1st Matrix cool. It had a disturbing element. SPR was heavy and graphic. It showed you how brutal war was. You would think that a post apocalyptic man vs. machine war movie would contain these elements to a high degree. Even the first Terminator was disturbing for it's time. Arnold killed without thought or remorse. Awesomeness! WOMAN: Answering door--"hello?" TERMINATOR: "Are you Sarah Connor?" WOMAN: "Yes..." BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!...Hell yeah! That's what I'm talking about!

  • April 6, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Ratings in Oz

    by MrH

    The First 2 Terminators Were Both Rated M Here In Australia which is equivalent of America's PG-13, Same With Die Hard. Our Equivalent Of America's R is MA15+. So To Me To See That The First 2 Termies Got The Equivalent Of Your PG-13 Rating Here In Oz, Tells Me There Is Nothing To Worry About. Hell Even Matrix Got Rated M Here And Rated Equivalent Of Our MA15+ In The States? A Lot Has Changed With Ratings Over The Years And What Ratings Boards Seem To Perceive As What Would Have An Impact On Audiences These Days. Take A Saw or Hostel Movie Rated R In America And The Equivalent Here. Does Any Terminator Film Have Anywhere Near The Graphic Nature Of Violence That Those Films Do? No? So Stop Bitching And Whining And Leave Your Judgement Til You've Seen The Fucking Thing!!!

  • April 6, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    I saw a mom take her 3 kids to Watchmen

    by Bishop6

    I watched in amazement a mom with 3 pre-teen kids in watchmen. I mean seriously why do we even bother wish ratings, parents haven't got a fucking clue in America.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    NEEDS MORE PUSSY

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Salaam Baleikum!!!

  • April 6, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    When Arnold cut his eye out with an exacto...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that was a pretty big deal at the time. OK, so technically it was just grown robot flesh, but I still wore out that spot on the VHS tape.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    vettebro.....uhhh you're full of shit too dude.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    You say you want more ramped up hardcore R Rated films, and then you name drop The Matrix as an example? Uhhhhh. Are you fucking kidding me? <P>And that Terminator smoking Sarah Connor at the door bit everyone likes to mention when calling it "Hardcore," do remember its a shot where Arnold is firing directly into the fucking camera. We never see an impact. PG-13 my friend.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    old news is old

    by geek molester

    I liked Die Hard 3 so fuck it, I submit to the evil empire. You win you fascist pigs.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    The Point I was Making...

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    is that Terminator is not a Horror movie or Torture Porn franchise. You don't need excessive gore or naked tits to make this movie work. Terminators shoot people. Or nuke people. Or stab them so quickly there's barely any blood. They don't have to decapitate them or rip their arms off and beat them to death with them. They don't have to spear them with a Pitchfork while they're fucking like Jason Vorhees. They don't torture them for fun like Jigsaw. This is going to be Sci-Fi Action for Teenagers to bring in the box office with an Unrated Extended DVD on the back end for all the whiners. It will either be cool or it won't. Tits Gore and F-bombs won't make it any cooler.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Isn't this site about reviewing workprints?

    by SmokeFilledTavern

    Where the fuck is the integrity and where is the crappy Wolverine review?

  • April 6, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    DannyGlovers...

    by vettebro

    I have failed you. I have failed to make my point. For that...I am sorry...

  • April 6, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    DGDB...I respect your Fucking Professionalism

    by conspiracy

    I think what we are saying...is that PG-13 is a sin for this type of film. Terminator was a serious R movie back in the day..tits, blood..it was a grand movie</p><p>Would not you like to see a hard R Terminator with 21st century sensibilities? I think we all had ideas about how incredibly brutal a war with pitiless machines would be..definitely not something you could have shown in the early 80's...just imagine the horror of that type of conflict...no difference between man, woman nor child as the merciless machines dealt death evenhanded amongst scrambling screaming terrified human rabble...and only a few alive to rise up against them...My God...I Want that movie!</p><p>Now..I'm getting a watered down vision of what should have been. </p><p>Bale save us...if anyone can make this a WIN despite the milk toast PG-13...it is Lord Fucking Bale.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    PG-13 is good enough

    by abovo

    There have been so many great movies with a PG-13 rating, I don't see why a deliberate effort to achieve an R rating is needed to just tell a good story. If anything, an R rating can just as much a marketing gimmick as a PG-13 rating.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by Cedar_Room

    yes T4 COULD push the limits of PG-13, it could be almost as crazy as T2 - but surely the sign that it has a tie-in to a family pizza restaurant suggests that this is unlikely to be the case???

  • April 6, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    vettebro -- there is always Salvation.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Join us. <p>www.aintitbalenews.com

  • April 6, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Cedar.....yeah that is a little odd.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    But its just a change of the times. The Dark Knight did Dominos, right? Whether you like it or not, there's nothing family friendly about it. I just see this as yet another source of revenue to pad their fat asses. Doesn't say anything about the film.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    there was a punch through the chest in T3

    by nooneimportant

    remember the hot chick when she was pretending to be the boyfriend and the cops picked him/her up. she punched right through his chest and drove the car! That's R-rated baby. Fucking Machines.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    ChaimBenSexyback -- AMEN BROTHER.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Every film ever made...NEEDS MORE PUSSY.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    here's a PG-13 description on what's allowed

    by nooneimportant

    A PG-13 rating is a sterner warning by the Rating Board to parents to determine whether their children under age 13 should view the motion picture, as some material might not be suited for them. A PG-13 motion picture may go beyond the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or other elements, but does not reach the restricted R category. The theme of the motion picture by itself will not result in a rating greater than PG-13, although depictions of activities related to a mature theme may result in a restricted rating for the motion picture. Any drug use will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. More than brief nudity will require at least a PG-13 rating, but such nudity in a PG-13 rated motion picture generally will not be sexually oriented. There may be depictions of violence in a PG-13 movie, but generally not both realistic and extreme or persistent violence. A motion picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context. The Rating Board nevertheless may rate such a motion picture PG-13 if, based on a special vote by a two-thirds majority, the Raters feel that most American parents would believe that a PG-13 rating is appropriate because of the context or manner in which the words are used or because the use of those words in the motion picture is inconspicuous.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    i want boobs

    by dioxholster

    will we see it?

  • April 6, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    "Tits Gore and F-bombs won't make it any cooler"

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    Terminator has never involved gratuituous nudity (unless you count the obligatory naked arrival scenes... but those make sense) so I'll grant you the tits. Gore and F-bombs, though? It's a fucking war. A fucking WAR. A certain level of realism or at the very least people behaving/talking like real people shouldn't be some kind of bonus, it should be a given.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    PG13=120 Million opening weekend

    by Turd Furgeson

    This fucker comes out memorial weekend and now it's rated PG13, good financial move on their part. This movie is going to make a TRUCK load of money.. I'm not that concerned about the rating, i've seen some real good pg13 in the last few years.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    DGDB...

    by vettebro

    I will see you there. And...I second this...Less dick (zero would be nice) and more pussy in films!!! Yeah titties and fur burger! Yahooooo!

  • April 6, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    so a quick glimpse of titties is still ok for PG-13

    by nooneimportant

    buy you can't really like looking at them or it's R rated. and you can have either realistic violence or persistent violence but not both. and no more than one "shit" or "goddamn" and no "fuck"

  • T2 is R and doesnt shy away with lame off screen kills.

  • I'm not as concerned about this particular PG-13 as I was with die hard, because I can see a pg-13 terminator war movie working out. However, the originals were definitly raw and not pg-13 at all, particularly number 1. Number 1 was pretty much a violent grindhouse movie, you had arnie naked at the start (full frontal), that explicit sex scene with reese and sarah, dozens of cops getting killed violently (with lots of blood), the exacto knife to the eye, not pg-13 material in the slightest. T2 was tamer, but is still definitley an R. Between the swearing, the impalements, arnie stripping flesh from his arm, sarah bleeding at the end and being tortured by the t1000. Honostley, my biggest fear is that pg-13 seems to really shift the tone of a movie. T2 and T1 have this bleak, uneasy, violent, driving, feel to them, where you're just fucked no matter what you do. Its hard to place what it is exactly (the music definitley plays a big part), but you don't get that feeling in T3, which is actually the closest to a pg13 out of all of them (remove about 15 seconds of the TX and you're there). I just hope MCG knows what the fuck he's doing.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Actually...

    by ShaunKillsDead

    ...Trek was always PG. First Contact was the first of only two PG-13 Trek films (now three, with the new JJ Abrams installment). Personally, this better not screw up the terminator franchise. This seems all too familiar as to why I only recognize Die Hard as a trilogy. The 4th was just an attempt to get younger kids into John McClane. And as a result did not feel like a die hard movie at all. You can't bleep out the franchise's most famous line with a gun shot! A CGI fest MESS is what that was... but i have obviously digressed. <sigh> As long as this doesn't compromise how bad ass and cool the R rated terminator trilogy is, I'm fine with it. The trailers look good and I'm hopeful. I just really don't want to see them pull a Die Hard on this trilogy.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    hope the positive people are right

    by Cedar_Room

    but I now fear for the worst. <p> oh yeah, and fuck the studio TB plants we can smell you a mile off. <p> "On August 29th 1997 it's gonna feel pretty [gunshot] real to you too"

  • April 6, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    T1 and T2

    by yubnubrocks

    What movies did you guys see? Yes, they were violent as in a lot of people died, but gore? Not so much. Swearing? Sure. Sex? Yea, some fucking in the first one. I think it'll be fine.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Future War as PG-13

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    Is beyond asinine. And it cheapens the level realism the War absolutely needs to sell on us when we watch the movie -- diminishing the impact of the casualties of War to bloodless, quick-cut/off-camera things relegates the killing we're going to see to cartoon levels. The Future War absolutely needs to be visceral, brutal, and bleak... and yes, a necessary component of that is a bit of blood'n guts. And the killing SHOULD be unsettling... we should SEE the consequences.

  • April 6, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Mike_D

    by mr.brownstone

    you're wrong. Ghostbusters was PG when released in 1984. The first PG-13 to be released was 2 months later - it was RED DAWN.

  • April 6, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    "But T1, T2, and T3 were barely R!"

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    For the sake of argument, OK... *BUT THEY WEREN'T ABOUT THE FUCKING FUTURE WAR*! Y'now, THE ONE WITH THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD, THE LAST DREGS OF MANKIND IN TRENCHES, DESPERATELY STRIKING AGAINST THE MACHINES?

  • April 6, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    and what really drove

    by yubnubrocks

    those first 2 movies was the stories. That's really what people remember. So if this next movie has a great script and keeps faithful to the originals, I'll think we won't be too worried about it. Hell, Watchman got an R rating, yet the reviews weren't exactly over the top.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST

    bullet3

    by mr.brownstone

    I couldn't agree more.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    McG is a fucking hack.

    by imagin78

    McG doesn't have an artistic bone in his body. For that God damn matter, he has no balls either. He didn't have the authority to intervene in the Bale rant. He doesn't have the vision to convince the studio to keep this R. He made Transformers 1.5 and he wants us to bend over and happily take it up the ass. After the disappointment of Watchmen, movies are about to be castrated in more ways than one.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    By the way, has anyone seen the hydrobots?

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    The snakey, Matrix-like Terminators that swim in the water with the facehugger-like fingers? There's a great T4 concept art shot of one of them latching onto a human's head/face and firing a spike through his skull and into the wall behind him. A very visceral, chilling image... but you can kiss seeing that on screen goodbye.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Harry's In bed With Pizza Hut

    by www.valiens.com

    How many kickbacks do you get for promoting Pizza Hut, harry, hmmm? Okay, I don't actually believe that or care. But I can't believe in all of these posts, not one person has said this. This AICN Talkback = PG-13 by its own standards.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Some dude shot himself watching Watchmen

    by drturing

    http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Man-shoots-himself-during-Watchmen-movie/H0qmxSQyCkim5hh80WuOSA.cspx<p> Eugene, Oregon. And if you think this talkback is bad, wait'll you see the comments on that news site.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Who Framed Roger Rabbit

    by myspoonistoobig

    Also always PG. The theatrical trailer has the PG logo on the green-band tag. And I'm not a T4 apologist, I just don't remember all the language. Now that I've been reminded, I agree. On the basis of violence alone, however, with a few trims, T2 could have gotten a PG-13. Dark Knight and Die Hard 4 had a considerable amount of violence, it was just bloodless, and the majority of T2's gunshot wounds are bloodless. Just because he kneecaps a bunch of cops doesn't mean it'd get an R.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Are some of the talkbackers here today animal, mineral...

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    ... or PLANTS?

  • April 6, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Who still goes to Pizza Hutt?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Shit, they're like moldy bread these days

  • April 6, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Dude, the Matrix sequels were rated R

    by drturing

    this new Terminator film will be less intense than the Matrix sequels. fuck me.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR: SALVATION BEING PG-13 IS OKAY BY ME

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    as long as they include the UNRATABLE BALE RANT in the bonus materials. <P> Praise Bale you heathen amateurs!!!!

  • April 6, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    speaking of cock.... lest we forget

    by MurderMostFowl

    Arnie was sporting the low hanging fruit in T1, lest we forget.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Cry cry babies!!!

    by Azlam Orlandu

    You're all a bunch of crybaby faggots.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    I JUST WANT TO SEE THE SCENE WHERE THE FUCKING LIGHT TWEAKER

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    distracted our Lord Bale. That is the moment of Revelation. That is all that matters. <P> Praise Bale.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    myspoonistoobig

    by dioxholster

    killing cops...think about it. do u really think the gov wants kids to see that

  • April 6, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    yeah Vern is nuts. I see T2 violence on primetime TV

    by BMacSmith

  • April 6, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    I HOPE THEY ASK CHRISTIAN TO DO THE ICE CASTLES REMAKE

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    That would just rock my world.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    T1 was an R, but it was completely different than 2

    by BMacSmith

    Terminator 1 was sci-fi horror, T2 wasn't.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    I WAS ... LOOKING AT THE LIGHT

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    FUCK!!!!!

  • April 6, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    this is almost

    by yubnubrocks

    as bad as a PC Mac-fanboy talkback. Jesus.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    NeoDevilbaneX

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I've always assumed that Skynet NUKED most of the Humans and that there were small groups of survivors scattered everywhere like any other post-apocalyptic movie. You seem to expect armies of Terminators marching down the street mowing down millions of people one at a time. One Terminator stepping on skulls and stalking one human through rubble and blown out buildings is just as intense as every other movie's CGI city wide overkill that long ago ceased to be emotionally effective. For me at least. John Connor should be teaching a couple dozen humans how to fight a guerrilla war. In this "first" movie anyway. We don't need to see the streets run red with blood.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    JESUS?

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    No. <P> Bale.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    SKYNET DID NOT NUKE THE HUMANS

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    They needed the humans for use as batteries. <P> Baleikum Salaam.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    seriously, have any of you fuckers ever watched CSI?

    by BMacSmith

    most episodes have more gore and violence than T2 ever did, it it doesnt improve the quality of that shit show.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    AND BALE SAID, "LET THERE NOT BE LIGHT."

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    What don't you fucking understand, Shane?!??!

  • April 6, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    I'M NOT A CSI WATCHER

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    but I get your point. I see more gore and violence watching my woman masturbate.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    I Don't Think It Matters

    by Crow3711

    I don't know if this will be good or bad, but I can guarantee it won't be due to the difference between a PG-13 and an R. It really won't.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    CROW'S RIGHT

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Not only that, it's got Christian Bale. <P> Has Bale ever given a bad performance? Be careful how you answer.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    I beg to differ, according to HOOTERS it's NC-17.

    by Orionsangels

  • April 6, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Chuck E' Cheese rated it G, so go figure.

    by Orionsangels

  • April 6, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Can we rate it G?

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    It makes the most business sense to pack the most possible people in seats, right?

  • April 6, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    RATED G. FOR GODLIKE.

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    I like the sound of that.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Dickblood is right, Vern is wrong

    by UnApatowzing

    You cut out the T-1000 murdering a couple of people and T2 is PG-13. All the Arnold violence in T2 is soft.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    VEEEERRRNN!

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    You watched T2 recently and saw 100 or more cops getting shot by Arnie? You were either drunk, high or watching a special AICN-blowjob-giveaway cut. OR you´re just plain wrong.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    "PLEASE ... DON'T LET THIS FEELING END ..."

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    That was my sign-off on Christian Bale's birthday card. I hope he liked it.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    blame pizza hut

    by frank cotton

    as a former slav - i mean employee, i am certain they will never associate themselves with an R film. in the 80s, they were tied in with ET, and the freakin' CARE BEARS. i'm suprised they would even consider PG-13

  • April 6, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    PG-13 Rating...

    by Grinning White Skull

    There is only one reason for that rating. The studio wanted the film to line up merchandising/marketing tie-ends with Pizza Hut and other companies and to sell toys. Wake the fuck up! Warner wasn't getting anything like that off WATCHMEN so they went for it with this giant tent-pole summer movie. No matter what kind of film McG made it was going to be released PG-13.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Still wish it was R.

    by a goonie

    I just can't be entirely happy with a badass franchise having its balls cut off. Or at the very least, having them lightly snipped. I just watched Robocop 3 last night and, while I don't think it's the horrible piece of shit most people claim it to be, I hate the PG-13 rating and all the stupid whiz-kid stuff in the movie. There's still some satire and a darkly comic suicide bit, but it still feels castrated. Same thing with Live Free or Die Hard. I actually enjoyed the pace and crazy stunts of the movie and saw flashes of John McClane here and there, but I missed the foul-mouthed bastard that was the star of the first three flicks.<br><br>Being PG-13 isn't an altogether bad thing. I mean, look at The Dark Knight. That motherfucker is insane and it was PG-13. It's just that this whole idea of stripping something away from a franchise because some studio execs got cold feet about a movie teenage boys can't buy tickets for is more than a little annoying. I'd love Christian Bale to go fucking nuts in this movie, but he'll probably just say 'shit' and 'ass' a bunch. Awesome.<br><br>That said, the movie does look fun, so I won't complain too much if McG pulls off a worthy installment even with the softer rating.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    HEY MCG...

    by batman713

    you fuckin got somethin to say to this prick?

  • April 6, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Maybe an R Rated workprint will be leaked first.

    by Whtshark

  • April 6, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    This site needs more Vern

    by theneonsamurai

    Seriously. I love this site, and I have for years. It's still the one of (if not the only one) film site on the internet by and for geeks who truly love movies. But, that said, where the fuck is the content?? I don't mean I want to see Slashfilm-blogosphere-style reporting on every goddamn press release in Variety, but more reviews, more commentary, and Vern.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Stupid stupid Stupid studios

    by FuryofthefilmFan

    Just the fact that it's being tied in to "pizza hut" leads me to believe there will be at least one scene in salvation with a pizza hut. Maybe a robot stepping on the sign or some other blatant bullshit tie in. This is stupid, just absolutely stupid.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    LINDA HAMILTON WAS MORE HARDCORE THAN ARNOLD IN T2

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    You can't deny that.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    My two cents

    by hobsnobber

    Terminator was the first film my father rented when he bought our first VCR, and I've been defending the movie ever since. I believe it to be far superior to T2, which IMO is nowhere near as brilliant. That being said, a PG-13 movie about The War To End All Wars is a bullshit call. I understand the studio's need to bank, and also that blood-and-gore do not make up for lackluster action and storyline. However, if you (whoever that is) can tell me with your best poker face that a PG-13 T4 is going to be as good or better than an R-rated T4, I'll still call you a liar.<p>dioxholster: I am by no means trolling, but Arnold didn't kill any cops in T2. As far as I can remember, he never killed anybody.<p>Chaim: Bale's rant as a Special Feature would be nothing short of Fucking Awesome.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Money is all that matters

    by geek molester

    fuck art.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Jesus,you people are retards....

    by Jobacca

    how can anyone defend a PG-13 Terminator film? Remember how much that PG-13 Aliens/Predator film sucked? Remember how much that PG-13 DIE HARD sucked? And no fucking way would fucking T2 be a fucking PG-1 movie in this day and age. If anything,the studios and the MPAA are becoming BIGGER prudes when it comes to this kind of stuff. Anybody who would defend censorship is a retarded fucking ass-clown. Oh I'm sorry...a "mentally challenged, love making, rectally enhanced circus performer".....

  • April 6, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Oh, we got a PG.

    by kabong

    Add a 13 to that, will ya? <P> Some of the rubes still fall for that.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    THE HARDEST, COREST SCENE IN T2

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    was when Linda Hamilton was shooting up the scientist's house. She was about to shoot the guy in front of his family. That alone was worth an R rating.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    McG confirms no rating yet...

    by Rindain

    He told Alex at firstshowing.net that Pizza Hut got it wrong:http://tinyurl.com/ccojbr

  • April 6, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST

    The Problem with PG-13

    by enderandrew

    Is not that I absolutely need tits or gore. The problem is that I saw commercials trying to pitch The Dark Knight to kids, with happy meal tie-ins and toys for tykes. Suddenly if you have a PG-13 you can market the film towards children, and Dark Knight is not a film for children, and neither is Terminator.<p>And for the record, T2 was a fucking landmark action film that still holds up today, much like Die Hard. However, I never understand why Cameron was able to take a horror film, completely change the genre, and people say that is a consistent sequel. Then people say T3 shouldn't count as a sequel. T3 is much closer to T2 than T2 was to T1.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST

    In the newest Toy Fair...

    by Barrock

    McG said it was probably going to be R because the subject is dark, and the studio isn't pressuring him for a PG-13.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Not PG-13

    by Rindain

    http://tinyurl.com/ccojbr

  • April 6, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    again i say

    by bauer316

    F*CK FOX F*UCK them til they cry like the bitches they are

  • April 6, 2009, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Bullshit Vern, Terminator 2 IS PG-13

    by TallBoy66

    Simple answer. When you see that movie on TV, do they edit anything except for the swearing? Hell no. The entire flick is basically unedited. These movies were never really hard "R" ratings in the first place. Bitching about PG-13 is much ado about nothing.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Got the bootleg yet Harry?

    by themasterofnonsense

  • April 6, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    FAIL.

    by PTSDPete

  • April 6, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I think you're fanwaking away the rating change.

    by fastcars

    Obviously, it's because they want the franchise to have the broadest appeal, and therefore make more money. Any other reason is a lie. I will wait for the Unrated Version of this movie on DVD, like I did with Die Hard. Pussified Movies = waste of time and money

  • April 6, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Sam Worthington exposed cyborg Heart.

    by #1 Zero

    So I've read where Sam worthington has an exposed cyborg heart in this movie. I guess Temple of doom had the Hindu guy rip out Indiana Jones's heart and still got a pg-13 so its all really a sliding scale. I think maybe the point here is that they could have made an R rated movie with commercial appeal that didn't have to have what is now considered the real "hard" stuff (wangs, torture porn stuff). They should have made it R for the sake of the series. It may still be graphic but anything PG-13 has the aura of child friendly to it. I agree it was probably for the sake of box office. While the preview looks okay to me, the end of it with the city shot from above that turns into a terminator face looks immature and something only a 13 year old would find cool. Like someone said, very transformers like. Especially the giant Robot that scoops up the humans. Also, I think the Dark Knight had more subjective violence than what was actually seen. It is possible we remember it being more violent becuase we mentally filled in the blanks so to speak. I don't remember a lot of blood being shown in DK, even when Joker impaled the guy on the pencil, it was just more of a hard collision that they could have easily added blood to.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Taken was FLUFF.

    by PTSDPete

    Yes, it is.

  • April 6, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    13 yo tried as adults, 13 yo fucking their teachers

    by DoctorZoidberg

    maybe PG13 means something new now?

  • April 6, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    The IT remake is 'R' however

    by DoctorZoidberg

    Check it out on LatinoReview

  • April 6, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Also, everyone defending the rating change is lame

    by fastcars

    You're defending bowdlerization. What the hell? What are you doing here? Either you're a plant, a desperate fanboy, or a nutjob whose services could better be used on a religious right Web site. Pick one.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    To fastcars:

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    I'm going with plants. This close to the movie's launch, don't be surprised.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    YEAH PG-13 worked great for Die Hard....

    by Chutch

    ...oh wait!

  • April 6, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    TDK was more hardcore than t2, you know its true

    by BMacSmith

    Just saying it doesn't automatically make it suck. I know maybe one or two scenes will probably be slightly watered down, but i doubt most people will ever notice.<p> it would be kind of cool to see good ole sci-fi horrorfests like Predator and T1 come back, but for some reason i dont see it in Terminator anymore post T2.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Not a big deal. Die Hard 4 sucked, but TDK didn't...

    by dr sauch

    It can be done.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    R rating =

    by Bass Ackwards

    Sex, swearing, or gay people kissing. Violence has almost no bearing. Though I will agree PG13 Die Hard was lame, but the gratuitous sex and gore in Watchmen actually made thatfilm feel a whole lot more juvenile. The pendulum can swing either way, I was ready to write this off when McG first signed on...but that last trailer does sell it pretty well, I think I'll hold off before quickly discounting the flick at this point, r rating or no.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    T2 would have been G-rated today, and released by Disney

    by Curious Jorge

  • April 6, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Fucking studio cocksuckers

    by crazykrug72

    count me out now. Whatever Fucking Mcg is directing this piece of shit how good did you think it would be? Hey dr sauch the unrated Die hard 4 much better. not the greatest but better.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    One thing I didn't like about Dark Knight....

    by gruemanlives

    When the joker cuts Michael Jai White's mouth with the blade and he either passes out or dies ( I can't decide, but I highly doubt a cut through the cheek would kill a person quickly like that). It felt very much like they were trying to keep it "PG-13" by the way it was edited. It just felt cheesy, and I know the whole "your imagination can be 10x more graphic", but I just can't help but feel it was kinda corny in the way it was done. Anyone else feel this way about that scene?

  • April 6, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    maybe there should be a PG-15 or 16

    by BMacSmith

    There is alot of stuff that fall on the borderline, and it would keep young kids out of adult movies while keeping fatass movie execs happy. PG-13 is kind of a joke now. its all over the place.<p> oh wait, that might kill R movies. not sure now.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    I think it's been proven time and again....

    by Playkins

    ...that R movies don't do as well. RELAX already. Dark Knight was PG-13 and not many people seemed to think THAT was shitty. Give T4 a chance.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    T1 and T2 Would Still Be Rated R Today...

    by Acquanetta

    ...assuming they were approached and created with the same mindset. Those films were R rated because they attempted to push the limits of the genre and break new ground- not because the filmmakers were sitting around asking, "Okay, how much blood do we have in this scene and how much cursing have we done?" Anyway, I can only assume that the PG-13 rating means the big emotional scene between Bale and Bryce has been cut.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Pizza Hut....

    by VonThunderballs

    can kiss my business goodbye. Their food is mediocre anyways. Fuck'em.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    gruemanlives - i agree

    by BMacSmith

    but i kinda felt like it was just poorly shot, but maybe they did have to cut away too soon. but either way it could have been edited better.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom was PG

    by slone13

    Ripped out heart and all.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    If the first Terminator had been PG-13...

    by UnApatowzing

    ...Arnold wouldn't have been able to punch through the punk at the beginning. He wouldn't have been able to say "Fuck you, asshole" (a line I've always preferred to the more popular "Hasta La Vista, baby" in T2) And they wouldn't have been able to show Sarah Conner's nipples during the sex scene. Little details, to be sure, but they count for something.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    i love...

    by Cruzboy

    boobs AND cock! Just twice as much chance to score my friends. ;0)

  • April 6, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    "Fahk you, asshole..."

    by UnApatowzing

  • April 6, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    so help McG, if this sucks...

    by BMacSmith

    you'll never work in this town again!<p>Based on the trailer, i'm still sold. in a few seconds, it basically embarassed Transformers as the insignificant piece of shit that it is, and Bale hasn't failed me yet, so I think i can live with the rating.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    who gives a shit if its R or not just make it good

    by slappy jones

    something getting an R doesn't make something automatically better. I cared about that kind of shit when I was ten years old. Has anyone seen league of gentlemen and ther two guys who rent videos make their renting decisions on how many killings each film has. thats what this sounds like. Why do people think R means better? There are plenty of shit R rated films there are plenty of great r rated films. theres shit pg 13 and good pg 13. fuck the rating just make the film good.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    no cock because

    by HebrewLantern

    they don't go though a perverted time machine thing that takes off your clothes

  • April 6, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    T1 is R, T2 isn't

    by BMacSmith

    people stop lumping them together!

  • April 6, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    revisionism

    by im_a_lead_farmer_muthafucker

    You know how Disney will take an originally dark story like Cinderella or Pocahantas take all the dark stuff out, add cute fluff, and then profit like shit? Same fucking thing here. <p> And if T2 were made today, it would be tame, John Connor would be a CW reject with CW problems, and all of the action sequences would have been done with greenscreens and tennis balls. Also, the T-1000 would not have died, it would have been dumped in the water or some stupid horror movie not killing bullshit, so the studios can make way for a thousand sequels.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    by yodaismyhomie

    is MUCH more intense than the PG13s of the 80s and 90s. Many movies that came out in those decades which were rated R would get a PG13 today. I'm not worried about the rating...because if the story is good, the rating won't matter

  • April 6, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Imagine Saving Private Ryan as PG13.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Thats what people are trying to say, I think. This is not about Arnold and some kid going around town. This is the future war. <BR> <BR> BTW, I havent blown this off yet. It still looks good by the commercials. :P

  • April 6, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    When I said "water"

    by im_a_lead_farmer_muthafucker

    I meant ocean, like Transformers. <p> Oh, and if T2 was made today, the entire plot would be spoiled three months in advance in a children's coloring book.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:43 p.m. CST

    TDK's off screen violence was lame, but Batman should be PG-13

    by Mr. Moe

    If that shit was pulled in a Terminator movie I would walk out.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Saving Private Ryan special edition...

    by im_a_lead_farmer_muthafucker

    where we replace all the guns with walkie talkies, and replace the word nazi with "person with conflicting political views".

  • April 6, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    who's being revisionist?

    by BMacSmith

    uh, T2 did pave the way for modern CGI FX movies so I wouldnt consider it some last of the old FX movies. It was one of the first big computer fx filled blockbusters (that people bitch about for some moronic reason). I think it great. <p> and Connor was basically a CW kid with CW problems. and christ, it was a movie about a boy and his pet robot. <p>"I know now why you cry."<p> really?! this is hard R material to you people?<p> btw, T2 is awesome, but i wonder if we watched the same movie.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Geez give Vern a break...of course it wasn't "100"

    by LabattsBleu

    its called hyperbole dumbasses... the point is T2 would still be considered R today...the T3/T4 apologists will say "if you cut out a few minutes, then the movie wouldn't be R"...well, no kidding...you can say the same about any movie. I am not saying that T4 will suck as bad as T3, but face it, "McG" wouldn't have been the first choice for any one of you...btw, if T3 was such a great movie, why isn't Mostow directing the fourth movie...oh yeah, because it was ass, that's why...

  • April 6, 2009, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Looks like Cameron was right about this piece of shit

    by Slippy

    A PG-13 rating, they had to reshoot the entire ending due to the leak, and fucking McG is in charge. Yep, this movie dropped its preverbal pants, spread its asscheeks, and is riding down a road filled with potholes on a bicycle with no seat.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Today's PG-13 > 80s R

    by BurnHollywood

    Apparently, they watched the WATCHMEN, whose overall box-office take was clearly hurt by a higher rating.<p> Anyway, who gives a shit...the original TERMINATOR was 'R' because there was not PG-13 in those days. Not sure why T2 was...there's one nasty scene where the T-1000 lances a guy through the mouth, big deal. You could probably see something just as violent on SciFi/SyFy these days...

  • April 6, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    you guys don't know shit.

    by bilbo78

    there is a huge difference between pg 13 and r if the director wants there to be. R allows there to be very cool and violent scenes that stick in your mind as your driving home from the theatre remembering how cool the terminator movie you just saw was. pg 13 on the other hand guarantees that there will be no shock moments of violence and therefore you are stuck with what is hopefully a great script and some good cgi. I myself prefer the r rated cherry on the top.

  • April 6, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST

    "had to change the ending because of the leak"

    by LabattsBleu

    Seriously?! WTF does that mean? Is that true? How good can the story be, if you can just swap out the ending on something that critical (if JC was a terminator in the original ending)? Especially for the first of a trilogy? Won't that change the arc of the entire trilogy? With the Empire STrikes Back, if word had leaked that Vader was Luke's father, do you think Lucas would have said, "Ok, fuck it...Vader isn't Luke's father...we'll go a different direction for the third"...Madness.

  • April 6, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    But wait, Dark Knight was good, and that was PG-13!!!

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    Except.... THE DARK KNIGHT WASN'T ABOUT THE FUCKING FUTURE WAR, WITH THE LAST VESTIGES OF MANKIND GETTING MACHINE-GUNNED IN TRENCHES AND HEAD-SPIKED BY MACHINES!!

  • April 6, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Labatts- Arnie didnt kill ANY cops in T2

    by BMacSmith

    he kneecaps a few dudes and beat up a few more. saying he mowed down "about a hundred or more" cops isn't hyperbole, its just wrong. this isnt T1 we are talking about. there was no blood, no fear of them dying (it was jokey), and it went out of its way to mention there were no casualties. THE MOVIE HAD A SCENE WHERE A BIG SIGN POPPED UP AND SAID NOBODY DIED! this was not a R rated movie.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    R versus PG-13. Was Grindhouse better than Batman?

    by AshokZero

    o.O

  • April 6, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Oh Pizza Hut you always have the best gossip. Them Pzones are pr

    by safeinheavendead

    Ok i'm a little worried. But then I was a little worried when this happened to Live Free or Die Hard too and that turned out to be fun at least. Also, you know they'll be putting out some sort of "Unrated Edition" with like five f-bombs and a boob restored.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    i'd even say scenes were added to T2 just to get an R

    by BMacSmith

    think about it. that one scene where the t-100 spikes the dude in the face. did that mesh with the rest of the movie at all? i remember watching it and thinking, "holy crap that came out of nowhere." It was like they realized they were making a PG-13 movie and said ,"hey lets add something like stabbing a dude in the face so people wont bitch". That little scene was so stiff and tacked on.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    1000 not 100

    by BMacSmith

  • April 6, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    What no...

    by moonlightdrive

    phalic Terminators?!?! :( And I second Vern's 'bullshit' to T2 being PG-13 now. There was some severe menacing in that. Great movie. This won't be a T2 but hopefully it will be good.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Here's the scale:

    by GregoryHarbin

    Animated, studio requests a G = G<p> Animated, studio requests a PG; live action for kids = PG<p> Indie films, studio sex comedies, anything with a cock = R<p> Everything else: PG-13

  • April 6, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Like it Really Matters...

    by MainMan2001

    ...Hollywood movies suck. Simple. Indie movies suck. Simple. There are only a few exception and they come from the same filmmakers over and over again. Termination: Salvations is completely unnecessary. A PG-13 rating means nothing. What were you NERDS THINKING!!!

  • April 6, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    LOTR pg-13 DECAPITATIONS and HACKING

    by dead youngling

    and gore and monsters

  • April 6, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Today's PG-13 is not > 80s R

    by ShaunKillsDead

    The first Terminator had graphic violence and nudity (not just a shot or two, but a drawn out sex scene) and a lot of "Fuck" usage (plus many cops were violently killed... not very PG-13). today's PG-13 cannot have nudity (or if so it has to be quick like in titanic), cuts back on graphic violence (mainly blood and any gore), and is occasionally allowed one "fuck" (which was not the case in Die Hard 4)... but that's even pushing it in a PG-13 film. My main point: Terminator in the 80's would in NO WAY be rated PG-13 today. Not even close.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Bah! These numbers mean nothing!

    by Fuzzyjefe

    This film has been rated 'Fucking Professional' since The Lord High Bale signed on. All else is shifting sand. Seriously, I gotta admit I trust the Bale. He seems to have pretty good sense for choosing projects that have at least SOME merit. Of course, he may have totally blown this one.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    this has me thinking that TV is more gory than movies

    by BMacSmith

    i watched an episode of House where a dude's eyeball popped out (it fucking showed it) his tongue swoll up so much his cheeks had to be cut open, and then, i shit you not, his testicle exploded (thankfully it didnt show it).<p> on CSI, they started cutting open a bloody dead body, and a giant rat clawed its way out. <p> so how the fuck are they getting away with this when movies could never show that stuff without an R rating? seriously fucked up.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by MainMan2001

    What's wrong with Danny Glover's Dick Blood?! I'm I the only one who thinks that's way to fucked up?!

  • April 6, 2009, 11:27 p.m. CST

    The CBS weekly cop shows are more bloody

    by lockesbrokenleg

    than anything you'll see in theaters these days. Even on shit like The Mentalist, there's blood and death.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Who are these people that think...

    by TheMcflyFarm

    ...that you get away with more in PG-13 films now than you used to? It is the complete opposite!!! Look at Pg films from the 80's like Temple of Doom and Jaws for example! And do not compare it to TV violence as they get away with a lot more than a PG-13 film could. I mean look at the amount of blood in your average Silar scene in Heroes compared to the complete lack of blood allowable in the theatrical release of Die Hard 4.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Enjoy Terminator: Pizza Hut

    by UnApatowzing

    You all made this possible by flocking to see that piece of fucking shit Die Hard 4.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    DH4 wasn't that bad

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Smith kind of killed it, but really, it was just as good as the third one.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    What do I think?

    by DarthCorleone

    I think it's a load of horseshit. That's what I think.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST

    TheMcflyFarm - it uneven, none of it makes sense

    by BMacSmith

    look at Prince Caspian. that movie had wholesale slaughter and rats stabbing spaniards through the face and laughing about it. i was laughing my ass off that whole movie and how it was supposed to be a kids movie. <p> it seems to change every couple of years, the raters will crack down on movies, then let it go for awhile. its fucking stupid. I know Goonies couldnt get made today but only because it has a few curse words in it.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    R didn't help Watchmen

    by geek molester

    but I agree, R rated future war mayhem would be the ideal way to go with this. But what can you do? Greed rules our society. Hookers and pure cocaine for the producers trumps our thirst for exceptional entertainment.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Where's the faith?

    by CoOoOoZ

    Isn't anyone excited by the fact that Jonathan Nolan is involved in the final scripting of the film? He and Bale have made some pretty hard PG-13 films together. I distictly remember walking out of both TDK and The Prestige wondering how such adult films got PG-13. Mature themes and content: INTACT. Gatuitous violence and nudity: WHO GIVES A FUCK. Another thing to think about: Warner, and their subsidiary New Line, know how to get an uncompromised PG-13 rating when they want one. Just look at The Dark Knight or Return of the King

  • April 6, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    GibsonUSA Returns re: Saving Private Ryan

    by hobsnobber

    Dead on, sir. Dead on.<p>I'm not one to dismiss a film due to it's rating, but we are talking about The Terminator, and I don't think that The Dark Knight argument holds any relevance. Batman is The World's Greatest Detective, not an "unstoppable" killing machine multiplied by who-the-fuck-knows how many. Yes, TDK was dark, gritty, and realistic compared to other superhero films, but his war was fought against thugs and super-criminals in dimly lit alleys, not the struggling remnants of mankind across the globe following the Apocalypse. In that kind of do-or-die situation, you expect more death, and I wouldn't assume that a machine would deliver anything less than a brutal death. I mean, if you're going to kill someone in the middle of the night after making a HUGE sandwich and pouring a glass of milk after sex, and not even let that person enjoy a last meal, well that's just fucked up.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Grandma and Grandpa won't take Jimi and Judi

    by kabong

    to see the show if it's R-rated.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST

    No Cock! PG-13!

    by ROBRAM89

    No soap! Radio!

  • April 6, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Jaws was PG-13?

    by BMacSmith

    thats crazy. no argument there, but that was the 70s. you could get away with anything then. you could have hardcore snuff porn in PG movies then.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST

    McG had to cut stuff?

    by kabong

    He probably shot stuff he knew he'd have to cut . . . just so he can pose as one daring filmmaker dude oh yeah baby. Then he can yap at conventions about how his vision was betrayed by the suits. I call bullshit. <P> I wish they'd release movies in differently rated versions and let the audiences decide which they want to see. I'd go for the X-rated Brutal Gory Violence . . . but maybe that's just me.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    CoOoOoZ

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    Because Dark Knight and King Kong were both dystopic, in-your-face war movies... I smell chlorophyta.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    This can be PG-13 and still be great

    by D.Vader

    I mean, it stars Christian FUCKING BALE.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    hobsnobber

    by BMacSmith

    PG-13 movies are filled with deaths, i dont get why it cant work. like dying in an apocalyptic war is somehow more brutal than getting hacked to death by orcs or something. I dont really see why you'd expect more gory deaths, since pretty much all that post apocalyptic stuff could get in a PG13 movie anyway. you'd probably have less punches through people chest cavities, but why would a Terminator do that anyway? just shoot people like rats and move to the next target.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    GET DOO DAH CHOPPAHHH!

    by BiggusDickus

    I know it's early days, but I just feel this is going to be shit.<p>Wrong director, wrong 'star', wrong feeling that the story needed continuing after part three - or even part two. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Remember when a PG film had tits and a fisheman

    by kikuchiyoboy

    that got chewed in half by a big fucking shark... <br> <br> Ah... those were the days.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    NO BLUE WANG NO PEACE!

    by Xiphos_2

    KNOW BLUE WANG KNOW PEACE!

  • April 6, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Name some great, visceral PG-13 war movies

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    Go ahead. I'll wait.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    BMacSmith - true...as part of the story arc

    by LabattsBleu

    the 'evolution' of Arnie required no killing. However, i think that this was more an evolution of Arnold the megastar - where he could not be the "bad guy" anymore...I still think than the movie would have warranted an R in today's ratings-maybe just barely, but still an R.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    As long as they leave out "frack"...

    by kikuchiyoboy

    I really wish they never uttered those words in BSG.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Why does T2's barely-R standing have such a relevance on T4's PG

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    It shouldn't. T2 wasn't THE FUCKING FUTURE WAR.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Die Hard 4 Unrated version was good...

    by Bill Clay

    But I skipped seeing the watered-down version in the theaters. I'll be damned if I'll pay to see a PG-13 Die Hard. And the PG-13 Terminator ain't getting my money, either. Let me know when the Unrated DVD is at Blockbuster.

  • April 6, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST

    i would like to see a Terminator movie where Arnie kills shit ag

    by BMacSmith

    that would be pretty awesome, i gotta admit. Too bad Arnold is too politically correct good guy for that now.

  • April 7, 2009, midnight CST

    So...T3 Had Balls?

    by ROBRAM89

    This might be a bad sign, but as far as balls, the ability to rise above the mediocre chaff and express a singular, uncompromising vision, T3 will probably make this movie look like Taxi Driver. The only advantage T3 had was Arnold and a skinny blond chick's ass.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST

    there was a Die Hard 4 unrated?

    by BMacSmith

    damn, now i have to go check that out. probably still sucked though.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Lord Bale

    by redfist

    is not interested in PG-13s, he is interested in story....and fisting cunts.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Paths of Glory was viscral...

    by kikuchiyoboy

    But I still want to see an R rated T4. <br> <br> Are you telling me no one yells, "Holy fuck!" when they see these gigantic machines coming after them?

  • April 7, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    I saw the "real" Die Hard 4

    by ROBRAM89

    I honestly could not tell what had changed. Not one thing.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    And for fuck's sake...

    by DarthCorleone

    ...an R rating does not mean financial death. Here's a list of 8 movies. All of them are R-rated, and all of them cleared $200 million in domestic box office alone: Passion of the Christ, Matrix Reloaded, Beverly Hills Cop, The Exorcist, Saving Private Ryan, 300, Wedding Crashers, & Terminator 2. I went to see Terminator 2 at the theater before I was 17; the audience expects Terminator films to be R. If Terminator experiences a financial downturn, it will be because the franchise simply doesn't have its legs anymore. Who do they think they're catering too? Moviegoers under 17 weren't even ALIVE when Terminator 2 was released. Do they think they're going to bring in that many new Terminator fans? Or would it be smarter to satisfy the fans they already have?<br><br>And if this decision was as simplistic as "Watchmen was rated R and Watchmen underperformed," then the studio is truly stupid. Watchmen "underperformed" (I put that in quotes because it did about as well as I expected) because most people didn't know what the hell Watchmen is, and many of the people who did go simply didn't "get it." (Witness the fact that all the average moviegoer was discussing in its wake was that big blue penis.)

  • April 7, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    BMacSmith

    by hobsnobber

    That is true. HKs could just as easily blow up any resistance bunkers from the skies, and T-800s could use long-range weapons to get the job done; they are, after all, artificially intelligent machines. But to portray a horror such as the Future War effectively, it needs to be just that: Horrible. I see your point about Orcs, but Lord Of The Rings is just as incomparable to The Terminator as TDK. There is no Middle Earth here; there is Earth. It's more personal since it has the possibility, however remote that is, of happening, and therefore would benefit from gore. I'm in no way saying that I won't see this movie because of the rating; fuck, I'll be there opening night.<p>I hope at least some of that makes sense. I've gone and drank waaaaaaaay too much coffee after midnight.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Still This Years Speed Racer!!!

    by genrefanboy

    ......except its now PG13 instead of R. WB knows it they are just trying to recover as much money as possible until the 2nd weekend when it will drop like 70-75%. Surprised no-one has even mentioned how the Producers are fighting their own future war with each other!!! Now thats the REAL AICN news. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118000947.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

  • April 7, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Looks like I just saved $10.00.

    by otm shank

    Because just like Die Hard 4, a PG-13 Terminator will not get my money.<p>

  • April 7, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    LabattsBleu

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    You know Vern meant the mowing down of policecars from the CyberDyne building. He missed the "no casualities" sign right after that. Then he goes on here and trashes talkbackers. Dumbass and dumbass´pet. And I WANT an R-rated T4, PG-13 is bullshit, just sayin...

  • April 7, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Well, this is a pointless argument

    by Vern

    But calling me high, a retard, and what not does not change the fact that I AM FUCKING RIGHT. There are many things that are a matter of opinion but this is not one of them. TERMINATOR 2 would not be a PG-13 today. The language alone exceeds the PG-13 rating about ten or twenty times over. The impalements and shootings are intense, graphic and very numerous. Okay, so maybe he doesn't shoot 100 cops. How many though? 30? 40? You know any PG-13 movies where the hero helicopter guns a batallion of cops and they fall to the ground moaning in pain (played for laughs)? It has a kid stealing from an ATM machine, swearing, being shot at. The heroine is crazy, breaks the arm of her doctor, almost murders an innocent scientist in front of his family, has a secret survivalist gun cache. Children are nuked into skeletons. There's even naked ass. Male. Most of these things they could get away with separately, but not all or even most of them together. And you can't tell me "well, if they only cut some of that stuff or the language it would be PG-13" because no shit, that's what cutting a movie to get a PG-13 rating is. <p> I guess we agree then. If T2 was released today cut down to a PG-13, then it would be PG-13.<p> Anyway who cares. I just hope this one is good. That last trailer looked fuckin great despite the cheesy rock song. I got high hopes. But also I just think it would be great if you guys had to admit that you liked a McG movie.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Forget R or PG-13

    by imagin78

    This will suck for reason and one reason alone...McG is directing it. This is the man who made Charlie's Angels. This is the man who wants to "reimagine" 20,000 Leagues by casting Will Smith as Nemo. This film should be rated R because McG is a pussy.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:25 a.m. CST

    for fuck's sake

    by Vern

    I said in my first post that he only maims them and doesn't murder them. Don't call me a retard or a dumbass if you didn't even read what I wrote.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Vern

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Never said it should/would be rated any different. Never got the rating systems anyway. Just thought you meant a kinda big point with T2 and the NO KILLING OF HUMANS POLICY MAKES JC THE SAVIOUR OF HUMANITY. I hope T4 good too! No casualities. ;)

  • April 7, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Vern

    by hobsnobber

    T2 has Guns N' Roses on the soundtrack, which is Point #1 of an R-rating. There's NO WAY GNR would be involved in a PG-13; that would make them sellouts.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    well there you go.

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Missed that part, that´s internet-ADD for ya. I apologize!

  • April 7, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Here's another movie AICN want to KILL

    by theplant

    WHAT, NO ADVANCE PAYMENT FOR THIS SITE YET ? BOURNE MOVIES ARE ALL PG-13 AND WE NEVER SAW YOU COMPLAIN

  • April 7, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    THE NEW ELFMAN THEME IS ON THE GAME WEBSITE

    by theplant

    BUT THAT IS NON NEWS FOR THOSE AICN TERMINATORS, MACHINES WITH NO FEELINGS THAT JUST WANT WOLVERINE TO SUCCEED AND THE BETTER, TERMINATOR FILM TO FAIL BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GOT ANY FREE PIZZA WITH TOYS

  • April 7, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    don't mean shit

    by lowmankind

    Ratings don't mean shit. It's an indication of the film's content, not how good it is. I think most people seem to think that if a film is anything less than an R, then the film will suck. And that COULD happen, but it's a matter of whether the film is edited to pass the ratings board, or whether the original script simply didn't go into R territory. If McG & Co did the former, then fuck them. But if it's the latter, then who the hell cares?!

  • April 7, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    T2 was Hard R and the apologists are faggots

    by bottombrick

    Yes, you figured something out, the Terminator in T2 wasn't killing people, it was an inversion from the first movie - its why on the AFI's top fifty heroes and villians Arnie can appear on each list for the same character. But you are peddling bullshit, T2 is hard R - the violence is mean, degrading, brutal, painful, even the cops who get kneecapped writhe in realistic agony and that is the lightest fare the movie has to offer. One single scene, the once pure mother turned into hate (another inversion) brutally beating the face licker during her escape is enough to earn a hard R. It is not a gag or a throwaway bit, it conveys the ferocity and erratic-ness of violence, it lingers on it. Think of the cartoony violence in T3 or Die Hard or even the Matrix, and compare it to T2. When Arnie throws that biker on the grill, it is not a gag - you do not laugh, it burns the shit out of him and does so long enough for it drive it home into your skull. he is almost crying afterwards, maimed and unable to work his fingers to cock his gun. You are pretending for the sake of the pg13 whoring studios that it is the physical depiction of a rubber model and corn syrup that we are losing, but what makes it a hard R is the investment of real, terrible pathos, characters who portray a life and seem like everyday people having a knife thrust through their head without a moment's notice, killing realistic people realistically in way that conveys the pain and agony and completely disregards their humanity. It is not a sick thrill or torture porn that we are losing, it is a powerful, visceral tool that has been stripped from this story, but fuck it we have already fallen from Cameron to McG and you are to busy sucking Bale's cock to notice. You deserve the Die Hard 4s and AvPs you stupid pathetic pieces of shit.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Luckily.

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    I´m not the only one on here with e-ADD. Vern, kiss n make up buddy? Bottombrick, take the brick out?

  • April 7, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Blame 2 things: (1) Die Hard Flacid (2) Watchmen...

    by The Dum Guy

    They (studios) know that most people will see whatever is the best thing in the cinemas on a given weekend, and they (audience) will rent the "unrated" edition when it hits Blockbuster.<br><br>I honestly hate the future.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    when I was a kid

    by Jesiah

    I soooo wanted the subway t2 cup with arnold's face half machine. This rating doesn't phase me....that bigass robot with the lame head in the trailer does.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Terminator: Pussification

    by NivekJ

    If Aliens vs Predator can get a PG-13 rating, then fuck it. Why not Terminator? Why not the Nightmare on Elm Street remake? <p>School of Rock is PG-13. The GOONIES would have been PG-13, and may be if re-released ever. What's the damn point? The 80s are way gone, even the early "not quite 90s, but still kinda 80s" 90s are over. <p>Raphael got the shit beat out of him in the first Ninja Turtles movie. Yeah, that's PG-13. Fuckin' Home Alone would be PG-13. We were supposed to get JOHN RAMBO levels of violence in a futuristic setting. Starship Troopers would have looked like Muppet Babies (or Nazi Muppet Babies). <p>You know why there'll be geek fall-out over this? Christian Bale. His enraged-psycho-Brit tirade raised rated-R expectations, and frankly was given a pass because it was on a TERMINATOR set. If he tried that shit on Beverly Hills Chihuahua, different story. <p>All I have to say is, where's our next futuristic big-budget swear-filled bloodbath coming from?

  • April 7, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST

    If James Cameron had made this movie...

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    it would probably be rated R. BUT it would also not dwell on Gory Violence, Tits and F-Bombs at the expense of Story, Character and Emotion. Those "R" elements may have helped sell the first movie as a low budget exploitation picture but they were not his primary goal as a filmmaker and if that's all the Terminator was, we wouldn't have had a T2, much less a 4th installment two decades later.<br /><br /> You people demanding an R are referring to "Future War" scenes that exist only in your own fevered imaginations. Just because you want to see Humans slaughtered en masse doesn't mean McG has to give that to you. Just because you're blood thirsty doesn't mean the Terminators are. They're machines. They can kill very efficently. They aren't gang bangers going by in a car spraying an UZI randomly at everyone standing on a corner. It's a waste of ammo. They only do that when they run out of options. The original concept is Stealth and Infiltration. That's why they disguised themselves as Humans. They are after John Connor. Anyone else is collateral damage. <br /><br /> And once again, they NUKED most of the humans. If there were millions of potential John Connors out there to fight back it wouldn't have been so important for them to go back in time to kill his mother in the first place. Or to try to kill him in the other two movies. It's got to be a small band of people fighting for their lives. These scenes of mass carnage you people are whining about would have taken place years before this movie is set, if at all. They're completely unnecessary to tell this story.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Oh, and fuck it anyway...

    by The Dum Guy

    I knew this shit was bound to happen anyway, bottom line is fucking paramount. Just think of the basic sales premise, you either get anyone who wants to see a movie a ticket, or you card them if they look under 17.<br><br>I honestly don't care (in the long run, when you consider that we'll get the "unrated" version in 5 months), but the whole idea that ratings matter is fucking stupid. I'm pretty well over the age of seventeen, but I still get carded now and again, and I can't understand why it matters if I'm a day or two older over the legal age of fuck-all on my I.D.?<br><br>I dunno, the fact that we are here on the internet, where you can find shit that is way past the point of NC-17 in a click or two, makes the modern MPAA rules fucking pointless... Two Girls One Cup is known my millions, yet they don't have a rating higher than "Up ChucK"

  • April 7, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    TSCC is more violent than SALVATION

    by Gorgomel

    Don't expect to see stuff like a terminator with a bloody new skin rising from a bathtub in the movie

  • April 7, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    I like both Terminator and pizza

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    This union was made for people like me.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:09 a.m. CST

    VERN..PLEASE DONT BOTHER LISTENING

    by southafricanguy

    TO the these revisionist dorks. Geez, it never ceases to amaze me how geeks just turn on things. It seems like ever since the phantom menace raped everyones childhood, theres this revisionism now where every great sci-fi/action filmn now sucks. You have guys on here that will tell you that die hard has aged badly, that t2 is nt actually good and that mcG (yes fucking Mcg) will o0wn Cameron. Yeah sure...whatever. Oh and Danny dickblood...please give me a fucking break, i get that you hate t2, but thats your opinion, not fact. And considering that you think the lost world is a good sequal pretty much renders anything you say about T2 worthless. Everything you say about T2 goes more than double for that lazy sloppy pos sequal. Was Spielberg even on set while that was being filmed or was he sleeping? Its really funny that when well known movie magazines like Empire, Total film etc compile lists of the greatest movies and/or sequals (either by the magazine writers or as voted by the readership) T2 is always on those lists, yet the lost world isnt, man that is strange. Or how about the fact that T2 has a 100% fresh rating on rottentomatoes and a 8.5 on imdb, while the lost world has only a 50% rotten rating on rottentomatoes and only a 5.9 on imdb. So going by a fairly objective general account of how T2 is viewed, its one of the best sequals and a good movie (again..its cool if you dont like it) while the lost world is considered a weak movie. I really want to know Danny why T2 is bad but the lost world is good? I need a good laugh dude..

  • April 7, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    And really, if we can longer tell the difference

    by southafricanguy

    and/or appreciate the difference between the good genre directors (and reward them for being such) as oppossed to the hack pack, then im ashamed to have ever been a part of geek culture. No wonder so many in the film industry and the mainstream movie audiance think we are all a bunch of fat losers living at home with our mothers, all we can do bitch and complain and tear everything down, even if it was highly regarded previously.....

  • April 7, 2009, 1:15 a.m. CST

    NivekJ

    by hobsnobber

    I've been chanting "Verhoeven"

  • April 7, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    and seriously...why then should anyone in the

    by southafricanguy

    industry or elswhere care what we say or think when what gets said on these movie geek websites is all so negative/childish or just flat out irrational/ridiculous?

  • April 7, 2009, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Helena Bonham Carter as a Terminator.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    http://tinyurl.com/dmyhvl

  • April 7, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Cameron fights for his vision.

    by imagin78

    James Cameron fights to the death for his vision. He will butt heads with anyone(crew, actors, studio) in order to make the film he wants. The Bale rant proves that McG has no such passion.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    I'M OFFICIALLY OUT OF TERMINATOR 4

    by 420 Boylston St

    I have zero interest in a family friendly Terminator movie and all the politically correct bullshit that MUST be planted into it. From the crappy tv series with that teeny-bopper terminator to this McG fuck fest. Esta la Vista, franchise, it wasn't same since IRON JIM went off to do more narcassistic projects. And NO 3D stereoscopic filmmaking WILL NOT revolutions films. It's a gimmick and that's it. The increase in ticket prices and the economic crisis will see to that, but AVATAR will be nice!

  • April 7, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    bottombrick you are fucking awesome

    by drturing

    you just nailed everything that's been wrong since the matrix, which had as an excuse it was set in a virtual reality. the problem is since then countless movies have the physics of that shit while supposedly taking place in the real world.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    IMAGIN78...EXACTLY DUDE...BUT THATS

    by southafricanguy

    also why so many consider him a huge asshole and/or arrogant because he will not bend in his vision for what he wants. And that makes him "difficult". While McG will just do nothing when his star behaves really badly. Anyway, I hope t4 is good because i really dislike t3 for many rerasons that I wont bore anyone with. And if they have to keep making sequals to t1 and t2 I really hope McG can pull it off. The trailer does look promising...

  • April 7, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST

    hobsnobber, I salute you

    by NivekJ

    I fear Americans won't be able to handle violence OR sex. No matter how bullshit we were or puritanical as a culture, we still had that violence for your ass. <p>80's kids had it so good, and we were tough as nails! I watched so much shit when I was a kid: <p>Brundle-Fly. Ripley in the Power Loader. McClane plunging an icicle in a dude's eye. Robocop (Murphy) getting the shit blasted out of him. Quaid's head blowing up in the vacuum of space. <p>And this isn't even 90s, kiddos, I haven't gotten to Darkman, Troopers, fuckin' Fifth Element (titties)!! I'm not fucked up in the head: violence has consequences. Shit, even swearing has consequences when you're a kid; I caught one of the worst whippings in my life repeating a line from Spaceballs (my ass is on backwards! Look, ma! I can see my ass!) <p>So, what does PG-13 teach the kids? That pencils through the eye are okay. That when Dick Tracy shoots bad guys, they don't bleed (now THAT fucked with me as a kid. Explain that). That fights are okay because one punch and you're done. At least Watchmen had consequences (though the heroes were still way too strong for humans). At least AVP: Requiem wasn't afraid of blood. <p>PG-13 ratings are political; studios don't give a damn about fucking up your kid, and bless them for it. My folks were right with me to separate fact from fiction, and why? Because they were good parents. But really, who's that PG-13 rating for? A weak kid going to get fucked up regardless of blood, guts, or tits if he or she doesn't have a good head on his/her shoulders, or parents to sort through their mental mess. <p>I want my mother-fucking R. And in the apocalypse, you can bet your ass those Resistance fighters would be cussing their damn ass off. Double dog damn ass.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    IMAGIN78

    by southafricanguy

    MY favourite Cameron story is when he attacked an executive that was complaining about the budget of one of his movies and started strangling him while shouting "shut the fuck up", now thats balls lol

  • April 7, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Why dont they call it "TERMINATOR 4: SALVATION"

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    That way we can officially call it T4.<BR> They can advertise it as Terminator Salvation, but I hope that in the actual movie the title screen reads "TERMINATOR 4"

  • April 7, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    hey, PG-13 is a bad sign, but its not a deal killer

    by BMacSmith

    stop with the bullshit boycotts. you know you are gonna go see it. Movies can get watered down to shit, but a lot of times they are still awesome. Take a wait and see approach and stop with the automatic rejection.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    The trouble with 3D films is...

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    They just show things that are pointy, pointy, pointy at the screen. No real substance, to add to the viewing pleasure.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Pirahna 2

    by imagin78

    Obviously, Piranha 2 is the least of Cameron's films but the fact that he will break-in to try to salvage what he can of the picture, tells me all I need to know about his love of filmmaking. I hate McG, but I will see T4 simply because this is what the story for T3 was supposed to be.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    aw fuck it. keep complaining. maybe they'll make it an R

    by BMacSmith

    maybe there is some decent shit on the cutting room floor they can still stick in there. I dont really care. A T4 PG-13 flick is doable, but no fucking way can they make a Robocop unless its a hard R.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Hey Vern

    by TheMcflyFarm

    You forgot the part in T2 when the hospital orderly licks Sarah's cheek. That guy's rape face alone warrants an R rating.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Robocop 3 was PG-13.

    by NivekJ

    He saves the homeless.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:47 a.m. CST

    oh my god, who cares

    by palooka_boy

    A movie can be plenty good and violent without being rated R.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Arnie doesn't shoot a single cop in T2

    by cool_britannia79

    Unless you count the t-1000 motorcycle cop. He destroys everything AROUND the cops, and even hits one square between the shoulder blades with a tear gas round, but he doesn't actually but a bullet in any cops. The guard at the facility yes, cop, no.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Fuck this shit..........

    by Cisco Dyke

    of course, I will still be downloading this, I love all things Termie

  • April 7, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Cool with me, if they can get away with The Dark Knight...

    by sonnyfern

    ...then they can get away with anything. If this was a horror movie it would bug me, but they can do tons of cool stuff in this and get away with a PG-13 rating. I'm down, movie looks incredibly fun and amazing, I still have no idea what the plot is...which is rare nowadays.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    cool_britannia79

    by imagin78

    Arnie kneecaps a whole SWAT division as they leave Cyberdyne Systems.

  • April 7, 2009, 2 a.m. CST

    it's cool with me too

    by cool_britannia79

    anyone expecting anything other than a friendly PG-13 on this from the start was deluding themselves.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    imagin

    by cool_britannia79

    yeah you're right, I forgot that bit. i remember the disappearing desk though, when he's shooting those guys in the feet/legs/knees there's a fuckoff marble desk there, when he drives the swat van in, it's gone!

  • April 7, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    This PG-13 Terminator movie is now officially FUCKED!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I have lost any interest whatsoever in this FUCKING kids movie.<p>Fuck PG-13 and FUCK YOU, McG. To hell.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    NivekJ

    by hobsnobber

    Disney films I watched as a child fucked me up worse than any R-rated movie, besides Friday The 13th. (I grew up in the country with no neighbors and an overabundance of trees *shudders). Ratings are like cigarette warnings: realistically useless and only there to cover someone else's ass.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:19 a.m. CST

    What about T2:3D?

    by im_a_lead_farmer_muthafucker

    When you're at Universal Studios in Hollywood waiting in line for T2:3D, no one there told you what the rating of that thing was. I mean, it's PG-13 probably by MPAA, but I don't remember any content warnings beforehand. <p> Not like I'm complaining, but I just think the entire content regulation thing is weird in a post two girls 1 cup world.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Why T2 is a shitty movie:

    by UnApatowzing

    T2 is a shitty movie because Arnold is neutered before John Connor teaches him that violence is bad. I need to see Arnold kill someone (at least ONE FUCKING PERSON) in TERMINATOR PART 2, in order for it to mean something when John Connor teaches him NOT to kill. The deaths in the first film don't count, unless you are a pussy. The key to T2's shittiness is in the very first scene where Arnold walks into the bar and strategically MAIMS a group of bikers. He's very careful not to kill anyone (ie he stabs a guy in the shoulder, throws another guy onto a stove; said guy goes "Ow ow ow ow ow! for comedic effect). Compare T2's opening Arnold scene to the opening scene in the original Terminator where Arnold puts his fist through the punk's fucking stomach. Add to that the insultingly stupid use of "BAD TO THE BONE" as Arnold leaves the bar in T2. The character, one of the all time great movie villains, is treated as a fucking joke from the get go. I don't know if this is the reason Danny Glover's Dickblood doesn't like T2, but the overwhelming majority of people give that movie a free pass because the effects are so ground-breaking.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Mc G is a liar and has played you all like bitches

    by alucardvsdracula

    1st off he CLAIMED James Cameron had approved the script when he fucking DIDN'T. 2nd He CLAIMED the rumour of the leaked ending (in which John Conner is killed and replaced by a terminator version) was false, when it WASN'T. 3rd He CLAIMED the movie might not be PG13 and guess what... Sniff, through all the bullshit I can smell Die Hard 4 all over again. And no matter what you fuckers on this site say, a PG13 Terminator is not a great prospect one fucking bit. Count me well and truely out. Definately gonna download a pirate copy now just so I don't feel so raped.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:42 a.m. CST

    How about we..

    by AzzyAzzy

    ..just get rid of the )(*@#$ rating system? If I had a kid, I wouldn't mind waiting three days after it opened to ask a friend if there are any swinging cocks, eaten brains, or dog sex to ruin my childs pudding brain.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:49 a.m. CST

    You know...life is an NC-17 movie

    by im_a_lead_farmer_muthafucker

    Unless of course you're one of those basement dwelling virgin nerds I hear so much; I hear they watch those video nasties on them intertubes. Allegedly...

  • April 7, 2009, 2:59 a.m. CST

    T2 is a great movie, its just not a horror movie

    by BMacSmith

    you cant compare it to T1. two different movies. and T4 will be like T2, and you will like it.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    no, sorry, it SUCKS.....

    by BRUTICUS

    I mean.... ALL of the shit they went through in the first three movies was done to PREVENT the horror that COULD happen in the future. SO it should be RAWER. Grittier, More Horrific. And definitely more adult. I see no logical reason to accept this. Could still be a decent movie but being PG-13 is certainly inexcusable.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    UnApatow

    by Vern

    First of all, you better be Danny Glover pretending to be somebody else. Because this talkback is not big enough for two guys who hate T2 and are on a weird anti-Judd Apatow crusade.<p> Second of all, thanks for actually making an argument against T2. I think I sort of understand where you're coming from, but I don't really get it because it never would've occurred to me that the Terminator beating the shit out of all those guys and throwing a guy on a fucking stove was some kind of "kinder gentler" Terminator just because he didn't necessarily kill them. But if that really did bother you for some reason I guess there's no arguing with that.<p> I can argue with the other part, I think you're wrong about people "giving T2 a pass." The digital effects *were* groundbreaking, but they're not impressive now. In fact when you watch it now it has a refreshing old school feel because most of it is not computer effects - you see them on a helicopter or a moving truck and you know they're really doing that.<p> What I love about the movie though is the story and the characters. Sarah Connor is such a fucking badass. Now days a woman works out a little and learns some kung fu moves and that's supposed to make her tough. Linda Hamilton in that movie looks fuckin ripped, she is convincingly crazy, and watch the way she moves when she fights her way out of that insane asylum. Every move counts. I also love the tragedy of her fucked up way of raising a son. And I love the relationship between John and the Terminator, which if you think about it is like a killing machine E.T.<p> The summer before last, when everybody was claiming that TRANSFORMERS was the best you could hope for from a summer sci-fi action type movie I dug out T2 for the first time in a while, and I saw it again recently in 70mm. Both times it blew me away. The action scenes still hold up as some of the best ever, but it's really the emotions that get me now. For me it works better now than when it came out. It has nothing to do with "giving it a pass." I think it's just below ALIENS and GODFATHER 2 as one of the best sequels ever made.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:06 a.m. CST

    UnApatowzing:

    by Playkins

    I was one of the extreme minority that wasn't impressed with T2 when it came out.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Vern is right.

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You are allowed to say fuck once in a PG-13. It is said more than once in Terminator 2. Therefore T2 would be rated R today. It's not rocket science folks.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST

    "I think it's just below ALIENS and GODFATHER 2 as one of the be

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Spot on Vern. T2 enrichens, adds to and deepens the original, just as Aliens and The Godfather Part II did. Easily the three greatest sequels ever made.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Why I won't see Terminator Salvation.

    by kwisatzhaderach

    First, because it's directed by McHack. But more importantly because the original creator isn't involved. Jim Cameron had a vision for his Terminator films. That vision was played out to the max in his two films. Everything that has come after has been a soulless cash-in. The story ended at the climax of T2, on that dark highway or in the Future Coda, depending on what version of T2 you watch. No James Cameron, no Brad Fiedel, no Adam Greenberg = no Terminator film.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    T2 is a classic.

    by sonnyfern

    Deny it all you want. Bitch and complain. But it will never change. T2 a masterpiece.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    T2 is good

    by caruso_stalker217

    But it's no LETHAL WEAPON 2.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:32 a.m. CST

    I was not a fan of T2 when it came out

    by YackBacker

    I thought Furlong was atrocious and Linda Hamilton, while badass as Vern says, was soul-suckingly drab. She's just not that strong of an actor. She lifted weights and sneered (which a lot of male actors do as well). And I thought the "causality" of the end was wrong. I honestly don't remember the plot hole there anymore, I kind of erased that stuff from my mind since then, but I do recall having a major gripe and no one I knew could give me a satisfactory answer at the time. But if it's on TV, I'll watch the motorcycle/big rig chase if I catch it in time. That scene is the ultimate home theater calibration material.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Vern, I love ya but...

    by UnApatowzing

    ... I totally disagree. Hamilton is indeed ripped but I don't buy her for one second as a woman on the brink of insanity just because she gnashes her teeth a lot and her voice is an octave lower. Edward Furlong is incredibly annoying and shrill as John Connor. I don't feel much watching him bond with The Terminator when the kid is so unlikeable. And as for Arnold, every single line out of his mouth in the first movie makes me glow inside starting with "Nice night for a walk..." He doesn't have a single line in part 2 that has that effect on me. The spark was misplaced. Again, I could forgive all of these short comings if Arnold had simply killed ONE PERSON in that bar at the beginning...

  • April 7, 2009, 3:47 a.m. CST

    T1>T2 but T4 will > T2 too !

    by theplant

    Have some faith, you bastards. R couldn't save the Watchmen from stinking, hell, one guy offed himself while Watching the Watchmen, What a Way to go. No one will commit suicide watching T4. Trust Me.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Give the man a chance

    by rams79

    I agree about the McShit nonsense. But having seen the few trailers and upon reading a few interviews with him, i honestly believe he wants to make a genuine hard edged movie within the Terminator universe. I won't be another Terminator film, just a film set within it's ideas

  • April 7, 2009, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Vern right fucking on

    by drturing

    Let's not forget, James Cameron got Sigoruney Weaver nominated for an oscar for a sequel to a sci fi horror film. These days movies equate female empowerment with hot girl + male hardware. Linda Hamilton made people gasp when they saw her on screen. She carried a gun like a trained soldier does. If you even watch incidentally she's taught her son how to do tactical reloads in moving vehicles. There's all this incidental detail in T2 along the lines of "if this crazy shit did happen, how would it be rooted in the real". And the reason the effects still work is because they're judiciously used. The problem with action movies today is that they have such little tension because you never feel like anyone's in danger - except for maybe the Bourne sequels. But Bruce WIllis vs. the Jet, The Transporter knocking the bomb off his car, all the bad wire fu that followed hong kong in the 90s... Shit next thing you know you fuckers will be saying The Road Warrior is weak sauce.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST

    WHAT THE HELL IS THIS PG SHIT?!?

    by spud mcspud

    "You're terminated, mother*gunshot!*!!"<P> What a crock of shit. And WTF is our Lord Bale doing letting this shit happen?<P> GIMME A FUCKING ANSWER! WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?!?!?

  • April 7, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai

    by spud mcspud

    Nice one, fellow Professional - with that One-Play idea, you just gave Fox their next big idea! DAMMIT!<P> One Play, indeed. You just KNOW this shit is going to happen...

  • April 7, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Ah, Vern...

    by spud mcspud

    We just have to agree to disagree. Because T2 was the weak sauce version of T1, but with bigger SFX and budget.<P> T2 is T1-Lite. It's the Diet-T1 of the series. Not quite T1 enough. And as for that cuddly, touchy-feely ending... BAH!<P> The only movie I ever liked Eddie Furlong in was DETROIT ROCK CITY. And even in that he needed a swift kick in the balls.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Vern, you're right

    by AKIRAone

    T2 had a visceral feel to it. Even though the movie is, what 17 years old? It still has that quality to it. I can't say the same for the action films of today. I recall Harrison Ford commenting on action movies of today and he said how they're too kinetic. I agree. Hollywood relies too much on CG, fast paced action scenes that don't have any bearing on reality. The scenes are to silly. An action movie is supposed fun to watch and have a heightened sense of reality to it, but after watching the action in Die Hard 4 you'd think it was a live action cartoon, which a lot of action movies seem like today. I'm afraid that the new pg-13 Terminator by McG, and tie-ins is shaping up to be a weak link like T3. I hope not.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    It's the language

    by vadakinX

    It's futuristic sci-fi. So you can probably get away with a grittier feel and more violence. <p> But it's the language that suffers. We all had this debate back when Die Hard 4 came out. Some said that profanities weren't necessary and others said it was part of the character. It's kinda the same here. But I don't think the story allows for characters to be watered down. <p> Look at the evolution of the characters through the first three Terminator films. <p> Sarah Connor starts out in T1 as a sweet, 80's chick. A decade later in T2 she's a swearing, warring, gun-toting psychopath. She knows what's coming. She knows the world is going to end and her son is the only one who can save humanity. So she toughens up. <p> Then there's John Connor. In T2 he's a cocky, rebellious kid with a psycho mother. He doesn't give a fuck about anything. In T3, the world has apparently been saved. John should have had the weight of the world lifted from his shoulders but he doesn't. He's quiter, maybe even depressed. When he finds out that Skynet is still around, that he has to fulfill his destiny, he doesn't want it. He wants to stop it, not to save the world, but to save himself from the future he knows is coming. But as the bombs fall, he finds himself embracing that destiny. <p> In T4, he's the soldier. All his training, his encounters with Terminators, all of it has been leading up to this war. But it's not going the way he thought it would. His fellow resistance fighters trust him, believe he can lead them to victory, but he's doubting himself. <p> What does this have to do with profanities? Connor grew up using that kind of language. He grew up hearing that kind of language. <p> Now he's in a war that he's losing. Battles should be visceral, a time where basic human instinct and emotion plays a huge part. Profanities are used to mask fear, or to show hatred for the enemy. <p> The resistance shouldn't be thinking "oh we had better not say fuck in case kids are around". They should be thinkng "Why won't you fucking die you goddamn machine?" <p> The thing about PG-13 is that it limits you from showing real human responses to the situation that Connor and co find themselves in. T3 toned down the language a bit and it suffered for it (among other things). <p> It's not about it being an excuse for the characters to say "fuck" it's about allowing them to have real human reactions in this apocalyptic world.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Exactly Why Was T2 Rated R?

    by LaserPants

    No gore, no sex, I don't even remember any profanity (though I'm sure there must have been) going on there. The grindhouse-y robotic domestic violence bathroom scene in T3 was enough to earn it a soft R. But T2? It IS a PG-13 movie. T1 is the only one who pushed it to R -- what with the self-mutilation / operation scene, which reamins creepy even though the efx are inept.<br><br>But seriously, aside from how MONUMENTALLY LAME T2 is, it was also NOT worth an R. So how could this be any 'softer' in terms of visual content? Oh, what, no teutonic buttcheeks? You could always photoshop some gay german porn for that if you need to.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:51 a.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Already explained why it was R. Read the thread. Now run along and watch your beloved Jonathan Mostow film.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Please, guys, stop defending TDK's PG-13...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...because it sucked. Not the movie, but some of the "violent" scenes, e.g. the bank robbery, Joker killing another baddie (no, not the pen scene), etc. etc.<p>It could've been seriously better with an R-rating. Plus, they could've killed the fucking ferry passengers. But no, they decided to pussy out.<p>Fuck PG-13 to hell and stop defending the money-greedy makers.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Oh Come On, Kwizatzhaderach!

    by LaserPants

    You don't have ANY time to spare? Please. Re-enlighten me! I actually am curious. I think the movie sucks, but thats just my opinion. But I really don't see how or why it got an R-rating. It is PG-13 level at best.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    NEWSFLASH! You Can Make Good, Exciting PG-13 Movies

    by LaserPants

    The Dark Knight. Lord of the Rings trilogy. <br><br> Of course, I agree that R, hard-R, would be the optimum. But Terminator hasn't been even close to R since the first one. T2 DOES NOT RATE AS R. At all.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:12 a.m. CST

    It just has to be PG13

    by optimus122

    The last Terminator movie made no money in the USA. It did well around the world and sold a ton of dvd's but it fizzled here. This will be a better movie but if it was R it will not do well.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:13 a.m. CST

    They don't want to end up like Watchmen did...

    by FlandersBum

    ...another high profile movie that didn't make as much money as it should have due to the R rating. Makes sense to me, smart business move.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Motoko, You're Killing Your Own Argument

    by LaserPants

    Especially by using TDK. The bank robbery scene was AWESOME. All the Joker kills were AWESOME. They need to be gorey or more intense then they were. Because the film ran more off of directorial talent and the superb acting. If you have that going, you don't need to be exploitative or extreme and create the same uneasy effect in people. <br><br>Of course, as I write this, I realize that this is being directed by the guy who made Charlies Angels (I think). *Shudder* Nah, but seriously, I think the trailers look cool, and I think that a cool, exciting, epic-sci-fi Pg-13 movie set in the Terminator world is entirely doable. Hard-R is preferable, but, I think this could be cool as well.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' No Edit Function

    by LaserPants

    I meant, "They didn't need to be gorey or more intense then they were."

  • April 7, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You can only say 'fuck' once in a PG-13. T2 has multiple 'fucks' (so to speak).

  • April 7, 2009, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Here's why T2 was rated R, you fucking monkeys:

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    aside from the foul language, kids robbing ATM, assassination attempt on a family, etc. etc.:<p>- T-1000 impaling stepmother, truck driver and night watchman (full on-screen violence)<p>- T-800 knee-capping a dozen police officers and a night watchman<p>- Sarah Connor breaking the nose of a guard and breaking the arm of Dr. Silberman<p>- innocent (!) guy in mall shot multiple times (bloody)<p>-helicopter pilot falling to death/severely harmed<p>- guy in bar thrown on stove (burned), another guy gets a knife through shoulder by T-800<p>- T-800 slices his arm, removes the skin, revealing the endoskeleton<p>- two resistance guys get blown up (one of them crushed by flipping car), a third one gets shot in the back<p>- women and children get nuked, and Sarah too

  • April 7, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    LaserPants...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    The bank robbery was indeed awesome and beautifully shot&scored.<p>BUT (and that is my argument), there was absolutely zero violence. The "shooting" of the bank manager was laughable and totally unbloody which is all the more weird when you look at the type of gun the Joker uses.<p>The complete lack of violence kinda ruined those scenes for me.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    OH WOW! They Said Fuck A Whole Lot?!

    by LaserPants

    HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man... oh geez, really? Thats it? Oh, yeah, then, you're right -- they can't POSSIBLY make a Pg-13 Terminator movie. If they only get to say "fuck" once? Instead of multiple times? DISASTROUS!!! You can't possibly tell a cool story or make a good action or sci-fi movie without screaming "fuck" as many times as possible. <br><br>You can't possibly believe that, do you?<br><br> By this yardstick then I suppose you feel TDK and Lord of the Rings were childish failures?<br><br>I still think T4 could be very cool. It'll probably blow, but it looks cool, and clearly COULD be told in a Pg-13 context, with enough action and violence to make it exciting. I couldn't possibly care less about the frequency of profanity. Besides, if I want to see hard-R horror, I'll watch a Miike film to I know I'm getting the real, uncut, deal.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Future war scenes in previous Terminator movies

    by Volllllume3

    You get to see people BLOWN UP TO PIECES by giant laser beams. It's graphic, dark and looked real. We won't get to see ANY of that in these new movies. Fuck you Warner and McG!

  • April 7, 2009, 5:32 a.m. CST

    "Here's why T2 was rated R, you fucking monkeys:"

    by LaserPants

    I don't seem to remember any of those scenes being particularly gorey though. It seems very Pg-13 level violence to me. it wasn't like we saw knee-caps and blood flying out. It was just like in thick blue smoke, guys falling over. Oh, but the arm removal thing was pretty gorey, thats true.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:33 a.m. CST

    You Didn't See People Blown To Pieces In T2 or T3 Either

    by LaserPants

    Thats the point Volllllllllllllume3. That only happened in T1 -- the best film of the series.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Violence: Its fucking DISTRACTING

    by redfist

    If you need the blood and guts....rent any of the 14 Saw movies. Until we see the movie STFU.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST

    PG-13?? You fuckin' pussies...

    by Sulla

    Seriously, go fuck yourself, won't get my money now.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by kwisatzhaderach

    What the fuck are you talking about? Its an MPAA guideline, any more than one use of the word 'fuck' and it's an automatic R rating. Did you not know that?

  • April 7, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by kwisatzhaderach

    ...and Motoko just listed all the other reasons why it was rated R. At the end of the day Cameron is a talented, visionary filmmaker. McG is a hack, and not an especially good one. Terminator Salvation will be forgotten by the end of the summer. We're still talking about T2 18 years later.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    This DOES take place after a full scale nuclear war, right?

    by alucardvsdracula

    Cause of all the footage I've seen it looks more like the aftermath of WW2 in Europe (if that) than some apocalyptic radioactive world. I'm sure McFuck's PG13 vision will be perfectly realized though. Christ, the more I think about it the more I feel for Bale going ape shit that time. He was right this film IS FUCKING DISTRACTING!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • April 7, 2009, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Harry is blaming WATCHMEN?

    by ricarleite2

    And for the rating, I quote Gomer Pyle. Surprise, surprise, surprise!

  • April 7, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    T2 wasnt rated R in canada

    by Bouncy X

    i saw it when i was 14 and until 2003, R ratings in canada meant you had to be 18 to get in, period. there was no "bring someone 18 or over with you" like the R rating in america. and considering canada always shares the same theatrical ratings as america, i find that a little odd. of course its possible it was a rare case of both countries having different ratings.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:10 a.m. CST

    HARRY YOU SELL OUT! Once you would have hated this! No matter th

    by silentbobafett2

  • April 7, 2009, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I don't care about the rating

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I don't even care that McG is directing.<p>What you should all be worried about is that this is the fourth film in a series that is following on the heels of an okay-ish at best third film and an utterly asinine television series.<p>If there's a reason this film will most likely be bad, that's it right there.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Well there's a fucking surprise.

    by henrydalton

    This film is going to be bad. Easily as bad and pointless as T3. I don't care if Bale is attached or not, he won't be able to save something that is inherently a bad idea, steered by a bad director.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:17 a.m. CST

    A few more things

    by myspoonistoobig

    I liked Die Hard 4 for what it was, but the Unrated cut is not an improvement, because it's totally fucking fake. Every time Bruce Willis swears in the Unrated cut he's got his mouth covered, which means they lamely dubbed it in after the fact, and the blood spatters are all digitally added. I don't want to hear him say "Fuck!" when he gets shot at, I want to hear him say lines like "No fucking shit lady, do I sound like I'm ordering a pizza!? I also like T2, but UnApatow makes a pretty good point about the Terminator's entrance. Lastly, in response to nobody, I also think it's worth pointing out that Cameron's director's cuts are all extremely bloated. There are a lot of scenes I like in the T2 DC, such as them pulling the chip out of Arnold's head and the T-1000 "glitching" in the factory at the end, but the long version is just too long. Same with Aliens: scenes I like, but just too long.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    T3 is not bad and pointless

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Parts of it are actually pretty good. Mostow gets some decent tension going here and there, the big chase scene is good, I like the fight between the two Terminators in the bathroom, and then it has that brilliantly depressing ending.<p>But it is essentially a remake of T2 but with added and unnecessary self-conscious humour, and it's also a solid indicator that every series (or 'franchise', if you must) starts to run out of steam eventually.<p>The Sarah Connor Chronicles is where all the steam finally disappeared, and I just don't see what else can be added to the story to justify another film.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Harry wants to pound on T4 till it crumble

    by theplant

    guy wants to pound on T4 until it crumble. He wants it to dance to his tune and then... <br> Christian Bale : Undress and fuck me? <br> I was going to say kill you. He issitting on an awful lot of rage and it could be manifested physically if he stress. Like vomiting in his avatar. Or doing plastic surgery to get thinner

  • April 7, 2009, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Plus, isn't this technically a prequel?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    It may be set after the events of of the other three films, but don't we already know that there's a big war and whatnot and John Connor helps the humans win?<p>One of the official and immutable laws of thermodynamics (as applied to films) is that all prequels suck.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Is anyone really surprised?

    by Wes_Reviews_

    A McG directed Terminator movie has had an aura of stink surrounding it since its inception. The rating further confirms that McG can only do lite, weak action. I anticipate something along the lines of a Sci-Fi Channel original movie here. Tell me now... for those of you fanboy defenders using the "but this time, it's more robot violence than human"... how did Alien vs. Predator work out for ya?

  • April 7, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Finally, the Pizza Hut tie in is sort of a giveaway

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Terminator belongs to the studios these days, and to them it's an amorphous 'product' that they can twist to their greedy and incomptent wills.<p>Say what you want about James Cameron, but at least that guy gave a toss about what he was doing.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Judgment Day as envisioned by Cameron...

    by Wes_Reviews_

    ...was NOT PG-13 in any way, shape or form. End of story.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Cameron abandonned the franchise

    by theplant

    He doesn't give a fuck. Live with it. McG will rule and make a superior movie to any T movie ever made, including the first.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Whatever. It's the world we live in now.

    by Cotton McKnight

    The Obama stupid culture. Perhaps an "unrated" version will be on the dvd.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:01 a.m. CST

    "PG-13... may contain intense violence"?

    by JackPumpkinhead

    What, footage of Balesshole beating up his mother and cursing at the peasants for ten minutes if they dare look at him?

  • April 7, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    There's too many dicks on the dance floor!

    by GaiustheBrave

    Yeah, I agree with whoever said that the earlier films (T1, T2) would be probably be PG-13 if released now. And, now that I think of it, not to be a prude, but can't we start a movement to have bush-only nudity in movies? I'm gonna look into it.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    So the word "fuck" disappears in the future?

    by Leafar the Lost

    I was looking forward to seeing Bale's rant in the movie. Instead of a blooper reel during the credits, I would have liked to see and hear Bale's rant. However, since this is PG-13, the word "fuck" suddenly disappears, but it is still okay to blow up someone's head.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST

    No big deal on the rating

    by Davidhessstation

    Aside from the original film, the two sequels don't have much graphic violence and have maybe about 5-10 F words. I don't think this is as big as a deal as Live Free or Die Hard was PG-13 where that was known for its intense graphic violence and non stop swearing.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    theplant

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You are hilarious.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Bale HATES Pizza Hut.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Dominoes motherfucker!

  • April 7, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Shit!. . . But wait!

    by Darth_Kaos

    That's how I felt about Die Hard 4, till I saw it, and it was good.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Darth_Kaos

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You must have seen some parallel universe version of Die Hard 4. The one we got here in this universe, directed by Len Wiseman, was a disaster. McClane had an annoying teen sidekick and there was even a cameo by Kevin Smith. What happened in your version?

  • April 7, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Kwisa

    by Darth_Kaos

    Call me weird. But I enjoyed it. Was it as good as DH1, 2 or even 3, Hell no. but it was better than what I thought it would be. If it makes you feel any better, I actually watched it on Cable.<br><br> I must be in denial, or hoping, praying that T4 will be good. Or is it wishful thinking?

  • April 7, 2009, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Darth

    by kwisatzhaderach

    That's not so bad if you didn't pay for it. I'm sure everyone is praying T4 will be good. Just don't think it's going to happen though.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I bet there's Pizza Hut product placement everywhere

    by HerbWestAustin

    imagine: Christian Bale saves the day by blowing up a huge transformer looking robot then celebrates by taking the gang out for a pizza party at Pizza Hut.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    JuanSanchez - i posted it in the expendables thread

    by mr sulu

    thanks for the suggestion though...p> man what drugs are people on here who think that PG 13 is aok? your talking about the *beep* ing TER-MIN-A-TOR!! A BONE FIDE R RATED SERIES!!! IT NEEDS TO BE A MOTHER *beep* ING R! especially since its the long awaited future war movie!! with F bombs and MoFos galore and bullet hits with blood and some serious brutal violence and horror - T600/700/800s tearing people limb from limb, people being herded like animals and then mass killings - stuff like Private Ryan, Rambo and Schindlers List...<p> and it needs that menacing disturbing feel...you aint gonna get dat with PG 13... <p> fact is if PG 13 is slapped on the poster and then u go in to see the film and that big black 'This film is certified PG 13 ' screen comes up - its just gonna depress you cos YOU KNOW nothing that bad is gonna happen so as not to upset all the kiddies..therefore NO F bombs, No MoFos, bloodfree bullet hits, camara panning away just in time whenever something horrible happens..all for a few extra $ <p> actually theres a possibility that PG 13 may TURN OFF alot of movie goers when they find out what rating it is as they dont wanna see a pussyfied terminator movie...so it could actually backfire...after all T2/T3 and the Matrix trilogy and Passion of Christ all did big BO with the R rating...hows bout dat huh?<p> I mean we are gonna be living in a world where a Terminator film (future war no less) has the same rating as a Superman, spiderman, star wars, star trek or Transformers - oh and HARRY FUCKIN POOTER!!.. imagine if someone had told u that in the 1980s/90s...youd do a LOL

  • April 7, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Again I ask...

    by Wes_Reviews_

    Those who defend the PG-13 rating... How did Alien vs. Predator work out for you?

  • April 7, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    What about T:TSCC? Gee... Wouldn't it be great <p>if there were

    by Nix_Cadavre

    Unfortunately, all I see here is a section that should be renamed from "Coax" to "Herc's Favorite Shows". <p> Still, color me surprised that a McG movie doesn't look like it's going to suck.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    palimpsest - Maybe it’ll be ‘15’ in UK

    by mr sulu

    same happened with AvP 1 and Die Hard 4.0 - they were pg 13 to everyones dismay but in the UK they were rated '15' (R in the US) <p> normally a PG 13 = a '12A' in uk - e.g Spidermans, Superman Returns, Batmans, Bonds etc....R = 15 or 18 in uk depending on just how violent it is....e.g. T1/Total Recall/Robocop/Predator were 18s - (T1 was later demoted to 15 for dvd), T2/Matrix trilogy were all 15s... <p> in fact with Star Trek II Wrath of Khan that was a PG in the US plus UK (with cuts) at the cinema...yet was classified '15' when it came out on vhs (that was pretty cool) and was later demoted to 12 for dvd (like the way T1 was 18 at the cin/vhs but 15 on dvd)..due to being the uncut US version<p> however in a curious flip case T3 which was R in US was classified 12A in the uk (equivilant to PG 13)

  • April 7, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Its all FOXs fault

    by mr sulu

    FOX released a PG 13 Die Hard and AvP which was an unforgivable thing to do and imo has sorta made Warners think that its ok to do the same with Terminator 4 (something they probably wouldnt have considered as they released the Matrix trilogy and T3 as R rated before those films so imo theyve seen Fox do it with DH and AvP and thought 'hey they made loads of $ by making them PG 13 and Terminator has always been in the same league as those so we'll do it too!')....

  • April 7, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    same fucking argument

    by sokitome

    as when Live Free or Die Hard came out. I cannot believe there are so many apologists out there trying to convince themselves a pg13 rating can give you a good terminator film. Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME! IT's FUCKING TERMINATOR! Making it PG 13 changes the dynamics of the film and scenario turning into something completely differetn like LFODH was. No matter what anyone says LFODH was a pathetic excuse for a die hard film.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    PG-13 will be fine

    by slone13

    Stop your fucking crying, bitches.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    DO YOU WANT ME TO TRASH YOU LIGHTS!?! DO YOU WANT ME

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    to trash 'em?!?!?! <P> FUCK!!! <P> McG: "I didn't see anything."

  • April 7, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    BALE WILL MAKE EVERYTHING FINE

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Stop worrying so much about the rating. So little faith you have.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    JUST MAKE SURE ICE CASTLES IS RATED NC-17

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Ice skating + Thong = Win

  • April 7, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    IT'S *GUNSHOT* DISTRACTING!!!!!

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Oh GOOOOD!!!! <P> IT'S *GUNSHOT* DISTRACTING!!!!! <P> Oh GOOOOD!!!! <P> IT'S *GUNSHOT* DISTRACTING!!!!! <P> Oh GOOOOD!!!! <P> IT'S *GUNSHOT* DISTRACTING!!!!! <P> Oh GOOOOD!!!! <P> IT'S *GUNSHOT* DISTRACTING!!!!! <P> Oh GOOOOD!!!! <P> NOOO!!! No *Gunshot* No!!!! <P> NOOO!!! No *Gunshot* No!!!! <P> NOOO!!! No *Gunshot* No!!!! <P> NOOO!!! No *Gunshot* No!!!! <P> NOOO!!! No *Gunshot* No!!!! <P>

  • April 7, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Look guys, did cursing and blood change anything in LFODH ?

    by theplant

    Nope. It was still the same shit film. Would Bourne movies be better rated R ? No, they would just cater to the lower common geek denomitor (and don't have hard cuts to mask the impacts). Hopefully this new Terminator will rule in the Bourne league. if not, we can trash McG lights forever and ever.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Re: "did cursing/blood change anything...?"

    by Bill Clay

    Yes.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Its official now so - this film WILL be a sack of shit!

    by TitusBallsac

    Never mind that McG is directing it, the fact that its PG13 and Pizza Hut were one of the first to be told shows exactly what this film will be like... a 2 hour commercial for the toys and video games. As if we didn't already know this but at least now its official!

  • April 7, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    FYI

    by Jak0lantern01

    The Sarah Connor Chronicles on TV is just as violent, if not more so, than both the original Terminator and T2. Some of the stuff on that show is pretty raw. Something tells me you'll get your violence, peeps. As if that's what makes a good movie.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Oh, Vern

    by Jak0lantern01

    I believe he had 0 casualties when he shot up the cops in T2. You haven't been watching the TV show, eh? Damn violent. Like Megan Fox's hubby getting a bullet to the skull and a nice close-up of it. All on good ol' television.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    "Yippie-Kay-Yay-Mother*gunshot!*"

    by Gorgomel

  • April 7, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    The Pussification continues....

    by Darth Macchio

    Ok..not really but then again..why all the defending of fucking pg-13? I mean, if you're not 12 years old or younger WHY would you want any of the traditionally 'R' properties to go to pg-13? I read on an on...rationalization after rationalization. I'm sure plants lurk among us, even moreso nowadays, but some of you for damn sure ain't plants but yet here you are not only defending the idea but in some cases lampooning those who disagree.<p>Now attacking those you disagree with is nothing new but I just read a lot of the fucking gonzo Fox-Fires-Friedmean post and basically 100% were slamming AICN for their apparent pro-corporate stance when their history shows the opposite but then all of you anti-corporatist's come in here and play the company line right down the nice and soft middle.<p>Oh and McG's bullshit during that Con where he stood up on the same stage as Moon Bloodgood and talked about her and her tits as if she wasn't there hints at his true face of jock douchebaggery. Every time I see the guy he looks to be selling something. I really hope I'm wrong and yes it is of course possible to make kick ass action movies in pretty much every rating except for G but it isn't *only* about the rating but about the *director* who's made schlocky and cheesey and forced sentimental but not totally fucking terrible work. This leads me to believe we'll get a mediocre movie and that we'll be lucky if they don't "push the envelope" and make it like AvP or something much worse.<p>Before you plants or contrarians slam me for daring to hint that McG is a fuckwad, or that I'm somehow trying to get into Moon's pants (I'm all for tits and ass but you don't have to be a disrespectful asshat to women in front of a crowd to have and hold them, you woman hating tiny dicked assholes), please understand that I really really HOPE I'm wrong about this and McGinty (as long as he still wants to be known as and called a childhood nickname by strangers, I will always doubt the class of this twerp...it was confirmed with his crack about asking a room full of pinheads of they wanted to see Moon's tits when she was sitting right there...and yes, even if she didn't mind it's still a douchebag thing to say. this jock asswipe wants to impress you guys so bad he forgets where, who, and what he is...at the least be a Professional. Bale is afterall.).

  • April 7, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I can't wait for Crank 3 in PG-13 !!!

    by Bill Clay

    Jason Statham won't say "fuck" anymore so more kiddies can see him. The box office will go through the roof!

  • April 7, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    MCGINTY MAKES ME SO MAD I WANT TO SPIT

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    and headbutt him.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Forget the rating... Just make a good film please...

    by Mrhazard

    I was really hoping for a Rated R release but I knew it wasnt going to happen... Still, you can make a violent PG-13 movie... IMO, The Dark Knight could've easily been rated R... But just make a good film because the tv spots are actually getting me amped for this... Christian Bale as John Connor in a future war movie against the machines should INSTANTLY be a classic, no matter what the rating...

  • April 7, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    wait for the MEGA EXTREME UNRATED DVD/BLURAY COMBO

    by Six Demon Bag

    to get your fill, you know it to be inevitable

  • April 7, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Any minute now, Bruce Willis will be on here

    by Stuntcock Mike

    defending this shit.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Picture of Arnold in the movie link HERE !

    by theplant

  • April 7, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    fuck, it's here boys ARNIE IS BACK !!!

    by theplant

    http://tinyurl.com/c9oa4e

  • April 7, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    to all you haters, THIS PICTURE PROVE YOU WRONG !

    by theplant

    BLAM !

  • April 7, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    HE IS FUCKING BAAAACCCCCKKKKKKK !!!!

    by theplant

    http://tinyurl.com/c9oa4e

  • April 7, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    STAR TREK CAN GET LOST IN TIME TUNNEL, ARNIE'S BACK !

    by theplant

    http://tinyurl.com/c9oa4e

  • April 7, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Ghostbusters

    by shodan6672

    Was not rated pg-13 originally. The Pg-13 rating began on July 1, 1984. Ghostbusters came out on June 8, 1984. Just some info. As for the Terminator PG-13 rating, it disgusts me. These films were never marketed for kids and they are obviously going for the Transformers audience now.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    You guys stop comparing this to Alien vs Predator.

    by veebeeyes

    When the first AVP movie came out, you guys thought it would suck because it was PG-13. And yeah, it sucked. But AVP2 was rated R and still ended up being shit. In retrospect, do you really think that AVP sucked because it was rated R? Or did it suck because the movie was just plain shit? Now sure, maybe Terminator Salvation will be total shit in the same way that AVP was total shit. But if that ends up being the case, does it MATTER what the rating is?

  • April 7, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Holy Christ, is everyone here THAT immature?

    by efxboy1

    Like the rating really matters one rat's ass how the story comes off? An R rating has NOTHING to do with how good the script/dialogue/characters are, and if you just had the trailer to judge by without knowing the MPAA's reaction, you'd just shut your fucking mouths and talk about how cool it looks. Tits? Cursing? Really?!! You dumbfucks honestly think these are the building blocks for a good film? Christ, we've become a country of low class morons.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Will people stop saying TDK could have been rated R!

    by Volllllume3

    It fucking couldn't ok! The joker puts a pencil through a guy's eye, but here's the thing, YOU DON'T SEE THE FUCKING PENCIL GOING THROUGH THE EYE. The camera pans out way before that.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Daytripper69

    by shodan6672

    I am late in responding, but if you think that cutting the gore from Terminator would have made it classier, you are an INCREDIBLE pussy.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    efxboy1

    by shodan6672

    Of course there have been great films that were not rate R, but this series has always been a mature presentation and will be neutered with a lesser rating. Die Hard anyone?

  • April 7, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    This is not the pizza my mother warned me about

    by Gorgomel

  • April 7, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    TERMINATOR 4 : HASTA LA PIZZA, BABY!

    by Gorgomel

  • April 7, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    shodan6672

    by efxboy1

    True, but you can't mistake maturity of theme for maturity of content. Die Hard 4 was a shitty film with a shitty script with nothing to say, no matter how much violence was/wasn't in it. I defy anyone here to try watching the Sarah Conner chronicles and tell me they aren't getting away with telling a great story without a shitload of onscreen carnage.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Terminator never marketted to kids?

    by veebeeyes

    Uh...this was a long time ago and the details may have gotten a bit mixed up over time, but I distinctly remember trading a few of my Spider-Man comics for a whole shitload of Terminator 2 trading cards. And correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there also Terminator 2 action figures as well as fast food promotional tie-ins? And not really having anything to do with the Terminator, but Aliens also had toys marketed to kids. A lot of them were stupid, but there was this one queen alien playset that looked pretty cool.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    yer right, T2 had Burger King tie in

    by theplant

    I prefer pizza myself

  • April 7, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    We all know The Dark Knight was PG13 AND brilliant but remember.

    by TitusBallsac

    ... it wasnt directed by McG!

  • April 7, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    PG-13 doesn't mean anything anymore

    by Dhaemon

    Sure, Showgirls was on the Family Channel the other day.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    PG-13 T4 script here!!!

    by Dhaemon

    John Conner - "Holy smelt"<br> Army dude - "That's some messed up smelt dude"<br> John Conner - "Upsize this motherlover"!

  • April 7, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    t2 would get a rated r now for the scene alone

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    when the stepdad gets stabbed through his eye.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    another neutered terminator..great.

    by FleshMachine

    lame.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    TUSCANI PASTA FTW!!

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    its the food john connor would want us to eat.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    so what

    by bluetunehead

    Dark Knight was PG-13. Terminator 3 was R. You can't tell me that Terminator 3 was a darker, scarier, and more adult movie than Dark Knight.

  • April 7, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Shit I'm late to this party

    by D.Vader

    But I brought a Warwick-Terminator!

  • April 7, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    T2 was R rated material all the way, ya fucking muppets!

    by TurdontheRun

    Hilarious reading all the usual douchebags trying to put their usual skewed spin on things. Vern told it exactly like it is. Nuclear blast scene-would that get by in a pg-13? don't think so. Arnie slicing his arm open to reveal bloody endoskeleton? Sarah Connor kneecapping hospital attendants? Dyson's cold and realistic death from the swat team? T-1000 impaling people through the eyes and mouths? none of that would fly, even today. it's not a question of gore, it's one of tone. T2 is, for the most part, a serious film, played straight. Nor is it particularly any less violent than the original. Oh, but Arnie doesn't kill anyone so it's less violent? bunkum. <p> Anyways, this PG-13 rating for Terminator Crapation isn't unexpected, nd to tell the truth, it won't be crap just because it's a PG-13; it 'll be rap because it will simply be no more than summer fluff. Even if it proves to be mildly entertaining - and the whole look of the film already smacks of a big-budget version of a TV sci-fi series (absolutely no atmosphere whatsoever) - this will still not leave an iconic crater-mark on pop and cinema culture like Cameron's movies - EITHER of 'em.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    T2 - PG13 today? You guys should really stop smoking the fucking

    by Fenrisulfr

    I agree that T2 was not a hardcore R, but you have to be slightly mentally disadvantaged to claim it would be PG-13 today. Most of the reasons have already been given by other talkbackers. Regarding the dream sequence, I would add that Sarah is alive as she burns and screams. This is not PG-13 material. Her flesh burns away slowly, and then the whole skeleton explodes. This is not PG-13 stuff. But there is one scene that hasn't been mentioned: how about when Sarah escapes from her cell and hits the guard with the baton? I mean have you watched the DVD lately? His nose literally FUCKIN EXPLODES. This is again something you don't see in today's action movies any longer, where we have quick cuts and the camera moves away. True, T2 was never over-the-top, but it was and still is violent. Wait for the Blue-Ray release... I am pretty sure you will see fucking nose-bones flying off the guard's nostrils.

  • Oh my God. How old are you people. What does it matter if a good movie is R or PG-13. Do you hate Disney/Pixar movies because they aren't hardcore enough. Grow up. Yea, so it might not be "the fucking futurewar" that you idiots have had in your heads for 2 decades, but it might actually be a damn enjoyable film. Finally, lay off McG guys. Has anything in his filmography given you any frame of reference for him doing a dystopian science fiction film? I mean fuck, he's really only made 3 films (2 really, both Charlie's Angels and We Are Marshall), and none of those really had any reason to be badass. And as for him being a music video director, so was Spike Jonze, and Michel Gondry, and even David Fincher. Your bitching won't change shit, you're going to go see the movie anyway, no matter how many toughguy "I'm boycotting" statements you make, so shut the fuck up and wait it out. Oh, and NeoDevilbaneX, I never mentioned King Kong, even in passing. I believe it was Return of the King, you know, that movie that had a war to end all wars in which the fate of mankind was at stake? Maybe it wasn't "the fucking FUTUREWAR," but it did have quite a few severed heads if I recall correctly.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Pizza Hut

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    You and me are done, culinarily

  • April 7, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    CoOoOoZ

    by efxboy1

    Thank you.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Entertainment Tonight.

    by imagin78

    Have you seen McG introduce the T4 trailers on Entertainment Tonight? He looks like a puppy begging for a bone. McG can't even swallow his own shit. He's a used car dealer...and a bad one at that.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    by CoOoOoZ

    So he's not a salesman, then he definately is not capable of making a film. The world's full of talented douches, and exponintially more untalented ones that bitch about stupid shit...

  • April 7, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Well, kwisatzhaderach, You COMPLETELY Missed The Point

    by LaserPants

    If the only potential difference in tone is the frequency of the use of the word "fuck", then it DOESN"T MATTER IF ITS PG-13 OR NOT. <br><br>Oh, and in case you haven't realized, Cameron is just as much of a hack as McG. He only made two good movies. Everything after ALIENS (which is EASILY his best film, and one of my all time faves) has been a slow but steady decline down the slope of diminishing returns. TITANIC was a HUGE success, true -- but it STILL sucked. Unless you were a 10 year old girl, or middle aged gay man, in which case I'm sure TITANIC rocked your balls.<br><br>And, in terms of the things that Motoko listed, the only really R level gore thing, was peeling back the arm. That was gorey, def. R level gore. I agree. The other things he mentioned fall well within the range of PG-13 style violence. Sorry, but its true.

  • April 7, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Unscripted-

    by TedKordLives

    Fucking Thank You! I'm an American, but as a society we are all pussies. Clint Eastwood said as much in Esquire's wisdom issue a few months back. I don't think he was talking about being squeamish in the face of cock, tho.

  • April 7, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    The point to all this.

    by Cptn_Howdee

    First off, TurdontheRun, fuckin' A. I wish people would shut up about The Dark Knight. I'm a huge fan of that movie, but its Batman people. It is perfectly acceptable and awesome to have a PG-13 Batman movie, he's a comic-book superhero. Terminator is a sci-fi horror/action movie. It had gory violence (T800 ripping a guy's guts out in the first 8 minutes and the T-800 cutting his own eye out, among many others), full frontal nudity (Arnold in the first 8 minutes), dozens of F-bombs by all main characters, an explicit sex scene, dozens (if not hundreds) of innocent civilians and police officers murdered in cold blood. Like turd said, it is a question of tone. T3 was campy and absurd (enlarged boobs, anyone? Not to mention a male stripper, and T-800 wearing Elton John glasses? Get the fuck out with that bullshit). What I don't want is another pile of garbage like that. T2 was technically 'softer' in terms of brutal violence, but the T-1000 was more of a scalpel, as opposed to Arnie's sledgehammer. What do you think Cameron would've said if the studio had said "Yeah, we really would like 13-year-olds to be able to see this move, can we cut out the f-words? And can we make the nuclear holocaust a little less intense and realistic? Maybe cut out the part where a mother and her child are incinerated and blown apart? Our ad projectors advised that we would make about $300 million more if little 13-year old kids, who don't really understand how horrific a nuclear holocaust is, or really care about the themes and messages of the movie anyway, could get in to see it." He'd probably tell them to fuck off, or drop out of the movie. Even 12-year-old John dropped f-bombs like everyone else. You would too, wouldn't you? Yeah, maybe the rating won't matter, but we're talking about soldiers fighting a war they aren't sure the can win. I say 'fuck' enough without having to fear for my life every second of every day. It will just lose realism and impact, not for the sake of the word itself, but it is how people would talk and act in those situations. Without the realistic language of the originals, you can't argue with the fact the they would be less intense and terrifying, and ultimately inferior films. Would you really watch the TV edit over the director's cut of T2? When the T-1000 is coming after Sarah and John in the mental institution, and the T-800 re-forms its head after it had been blown apart, Sarah reacts much as I would've: "Fuck! What the fuck is it? What the fuck is going on?" and not: "Damn! What the hell is it? What the hell is going on?" Or, how about his exchange? Dr. Silberman: "I'm sure it feels very real to you." Sarah Connor: "On August 29th, 1997, it's gonna feel pretty fucking real to you too. Anybody not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day. Get it?" How would you re-write that one and keep the pace and intensity? Get it? It's kind of lame. Let's face it, the serious tone of an R film is much different than the serious tone of a PG-13, there's just no getting around it. Terminator's main events include nuclear holocaust, and the slaughter of BILLIONS of innocents by machines that have no other purpose but to hunt and terminate all human life. These are things that are for a mature audience, and the filmmakers should respect that. Most of the true fans of these films honestly don't care about how much gore or nudity are in the finished product, it is the themes, realism, and characters within a sci-fi film that were so compelling and genre-defining. Dilution of the film, only serves to dilute the message, which is whats important. Otherwise its just like the hundreds of other wanna-be Terminator films, which this ultimately will be if the tone is lost.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    The point to all this - easy read version.

    by Cptn_Howdee

    First off, TurdontheRun, fuckin' A.<br><br> I wish people would shut up about The Dark Knight. I'm a huge fan of that movie, but its Batman people. It is perfectly acceptable and awesome to have a PG-13 Batman movie, he's a comic-book superhero.<br><br> Terminator is a sci-fi horror/action movie. It had gory violence (T800 ripping a guy's guts out in the first 8 minutes and the T-800 cutting his own eye out, among many others), full frontal nudity (Arnold in the first 8 minutes), dozens of F-bombs by all main characters, an explicit sex scene, dozens (if not hundreds) of innocent civilians and police officers murdered in cold blood. Like turd said, it is a question of tone.<br><br> T3 was campy and absurd (enlarged boobs, anyone? Not to mention a male stripper, and T-800 wearing Elton John glasses? Get the fuck out with that bullshit). What I don't want is another pile of garbage like that. <br><br>T2 was technically 'softer' in terms of brutal violence, but the T-1000 was more of a scalpel, as opposed to Arnie's sledgehammer. What do you think Cameron would've said if the studio had said "Yeah, we really would like 13-year-olds to be able to see this move, can we cut out the f-words? And can we make the nuclear holocaust a little less intense and realistic? Maybe cut out the part where a mother and her child are incinerated and blown apart? Our ad projectors advised that we would make about $300 million more if little 13-year old kids, who don't really understand how horrific a nuclear holocaust is, or really care about the themes and messages of the movie anyway, could get in to see it." He'd probably tell them to fuck off, or drop out of the movie. Even 12-year-old John dropped f-bombs like everyone else. You would too, wouldn't you? <br><br>Yeah, maybe the rating won't matter, but we're talking about soldiers fighting a war they aren't sure the can win. I say 'fuck' enough without having to fear for my life every second of every day. It will just lose realism and impact, not for the sake of the word itself, but it is how people would talk and act in those situations. Without the realistic language of the originals, you can't argue with the fact the they would be less intense and terrifying, and ultimately inferior films. Would you really watch the TV edit over the director's cut of T2?<br><br> When the T-1000 is coming after Sarah and John in the mental institution, and the T-800 re-forms its head after it had been blown apart, Sarah reacts much as I would've:<br><br> "Fuck! What the fuck is it? What the fuck is going on?"<br><br> and not: <br><br>"Damn! What the hell is it? What the hell is going on?" <br><br>Or, how about his exchange?<br><br> Dr. Silberman: "I'm sure it feels very real to you."<br> Sarah Connor: "On August 29th, 1997, it's gonna feel pretty fucking real to you too. Anybody not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day. Get it?"<br><br> How would you re-write that one and keep the pace and intensity? Get it? It's kind of lame. <br><br>Let's face it, the serious tone of an R film is much different than the serious tone of a PG-13, there's just no getting around it. Terminator's main events include nuclear holocaust, and the slaughter of BILLIONS of innocents by machines that have no other purpose but to hunt and terminate all human life. These are things that are for a mature audience, and the filmmakers should respect that.<br><br> Most of the true fans of these films honestly don't care about how much gore or nudity are in the finished product, it is the themes, realism, and characters within a sci-fi film that were so compelling and genre-defining. <br><br>Dilution of the film, only serves to dilute the message, which is whats important. Otherwise its just like the hundreds of other wanna-be Terminator films, which this ultimately will be if the tone is lost.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    FUCK THIS SHIT!

    by octagon71

    Way to go McG! FUCK I'm pissed! FUCK FUCK MOTHER MOTHER FUCK! is that R rated enough?

  • April 7, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    [Gunshot] off, [gunshot]-hole!

    by Darth Macchio

    I hope you dudes going bookoo fucking apeshit over people expressing apprehension over shoving the huge asskickery of the Terminator franchise (no, not counting the third one) into the PG-13 mosquito pee hole are right. <p>WalterB said the exact same shit about LFoDH and he was wrong. Not about the lack of the word "Fuck" or momentary boob shot but about it being a kick ass movie. I think the rating is important...very important and why? Not because of violence content, boobs, or the word "fuck". Why then? Cause I want my Terminator, not yours or McG's Walmart Terminator. Made more for consumption than for story.<p>Is this possible with PG-13? Of course it is which means YES for those still arguing this dead horse point...however, and here's the point I think everyone is overlooking, in the hands of a demonstrably capable director and actually story-centered production crew it wouldn't matter. Is this the hands this franchise is in? <p>McG is the probably the kind of non-story-denominational gimp to put gimmicky shit in his movie and this pg-13 LIMIT just outlines the potential cheese factor to replace what they see as what must be left out. Go watch LFoDH again: Weisman turned McLane into such a giant asshole, had a barrel of monkey fun with Kevin Smith (as JarJar goeth, so goeth Kevin Smith) and a bunch of stupid shit that just makes me angry when i see it. It's not reasonable but that's not the point...it wasn't necessary!<p>....of course im just a fan of die hard but the first Terminator has a special place in my heart on far too many levels to go into boring people by explaining it...<p>If you do not get that having a specific limiting rating can either dovetail or pre-hinder your story, then we simply must agree to disagree. I do think what you say is possible, I just don't think McG is going to pull it off. I'd love to be wrong tho...actually hoping and praying to the geek gods I am wrong. I get nothing for being right but if you guys are wrong, then our lovely send off to Terminator is the asscake equivalent to 'Live Free or Die Hard'?<p>Ugh.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Maybe this PG-13 thing is a good trend, b/c....

    by The Dum Guy

    "Dave Kajganich, the scribe adapting Stephen King's "It" for the big screen, tells Dread Central that you can expect this to stay true to the book, but in a family friendly tone. Kajganich explains that the film "will be PG-13. This will not be R, [it] means we can really honor the book and engage with the traumas (both the paranormal ones and those they deal with at home and school) that these characters endure, and we'll be able to ensure that audiences of all ages can attend." He also adds that the film will be "set in the mid-1980s and in the present almost equally — mirroring the twenty-odd-year gap King uses in the book." How he plans to compress King's 1,100 page opus into a two-hour film though is anyone's guess."<br><br>As not reported by Dark Horizons.

  • April 7, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    T4 Rated PG 13

    by DaBUU

    Studio subsequently announces they needed to cut 4 hrs and 13 minutes of the film to comform to new rating.Footage appears to contain scenes showing graphic sexual intercourse between Christian Bale and humans & cyborgs alike. Also very strong language throught by Bale. Studio execs claim the cut footage will be on the Unedited Baddass Bale Edition on DVD and BluRay

  • April 7, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You are hilarious. If you knew anything about filmmaking you'd know that the script for Titanic (not the dialogue mind you) but the script is a goddamn masterwork. William Goldman will tell you the same. It's not my cup of tea, it's badly acted and the dialogue is full of howlers. But i'll tell you something, it's a fucking masterpiece compared to Terminator 3. Maybe you just need to learn how to deal with emotion in movies? You seem to hate Cameron's T2 and Titanic because they're not just CG spectaculars. <p> Anyways this back and forth is really boring and pointless. We'll see what you think of Terminator Salvation, what you make of its writing, direction, acting and tone and talk again then. I'm sure McG wil give James Cameron a run for his money. <p> That's a joke by the way.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    and we'll get the unrated version on a special editon dvd / blu-

    by Gorgomel

    with all the gunshot sounds removed to hear FUCKIN'ROBOT DIE YOU PIECE OF METAL SHIT...

  • April 7, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    T3 Deleted Scene

    by MEGAN_FOXS_CUNT_JUICE

    You guys have probably seen this, but if not here, Arnie fuckin rules. http://tinyurl.com/ywh249

  • April 7, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    PG-13

    by Cobbio

    Fuck. This is exactly what I was afraid of. A neutered, bloodless story that insults the franchise and features lots of flashy (and bloodless) effects.<p> I actually like McG, but this sucks. A fucking made-for-kiddies Terminator film? Fuck that. Fuck the studio for making that decision. Eat shit, you penny pushing cock gobblers.<p> I was hoping to see an R-rated epic on opening day. Guess that won't be happening. Oh well. I'm definitely not going to see this in the theater now. Not that the studio cares, since they don't seem to care about much, especially integrity and telling a story the way it needs to be told.<p> I'll now be skipping this film. Fuck the studio.

  • April 7, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    "If you can hear this...

    by TedKordLives

    ...I'd like a large pepperoni with extra cheese."

  • April 7, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    ALL MATRIX FILMS WERE RATED R

    by Mullah Omar

    Are you telling me they were more violent and/or more grounded in reality than a TERMINATOR film?

  • April 7, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    "If you can hear this...

    by The Dum Guy

    ...I'd like to add an order of hot wings and breadsticks, and for fucks sake can I get bleu cheese and not ranch."

  • April 7, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Thanks the Internet...

    by Fenrisulfr

    for letting us watch movies online for free. I lost count of how many bucks I saved thanks to the streaming technology. And somehow, every time I do so, it feels incredibly satisfying. The pleasure to have saved my 10 bucks for a piece of cinematographic garbage, and the satisfaction of sliding my cock up the studio's ass.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    I think that the Matrix's and Terminator's

    by skimn

    (even T2) were rated R because of the intensity of the action scenes and the fact that the violence is visually perpetrated against human beings (or those that appear human). Blood, guts and gore is not always a factor. Redemption, I would guess, will feature a lot of "machine-on-machine" action, which the MPAA surely deems safe for those impressionable teenage eyes.<p>The whole issue of language is moot. The best use was in the original, where the terminator was programmed to choose "Fuck You Asshole" as an appropriate response, which is funny.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    "If you can hear this...

    by TedKordLives

    ...then you are in the P'ZONE!"

  • April 7, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Harry Please Stop It

    by MANNZILLA

    "And while I really would prefer for this franchise to remain in the realm of R-rated badassery - there might actually be a very real reason for this." For fucks sake Harry this just boils down to money and marketing. And this PG-13 effect on all our favorite franchises is part of the reason why movies suck nowadays. Whould Ridley Scott or James Cameron ever compromise on their artistic vision? If McG actually gave a shit about integrity he would never agree to this. Shame on you Harry for trying to spin this issue for the studios.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Soon PG-13 snuff and pron for all

    by Warloch

    Lol! Americans are so funny.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Could be worse... could be FRAK

    by spud mcspud

    Changing fuck for frak is one of the few missteps the new BSG made. That, the stupid cutting corners off of books and picture frames, and that batshit ending. Otherwise, pretty much the best SF TV series in years.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    "If you can hear this...

    by TedKordLives

    ...I'M GONNA KICK YOUR FUCKIN' ASS! And get some Pizza Hut Stuffed Crust Pizza."

  • April 7, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    When the issue of ratings and language come up

    by skimn

    I think of the televised version of Scarface..."Freak you, you mortar forking melon farmer.."..always good for a laugh.

  • April 7, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    To all who think T4 is fine as less than an R...

    by spud mcspud

    GO FUCK YOURSELVES. How exactly will cutting the balls off a franchise that is intended for ADULTS but now rated FOR KIDS improve it?<P> You fucking apologists disgust me. Go watch TRANSFORMERS again, you gore-and-profanity hating pussies. Obviously this franchise is a little too offensive for your delicate sensibilities.<P> McG... We're coming for you, you prick.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    And as a Professional...

    by spud mcspud

    How the fuck can Bale let this go unchallenged? I mean, the BaleRant made it pretty fucking clear who was REALLY directing this movie - so what gives, Bale? GIVE US OUR R-RATED MOVIE!<P> Is that heresy?

  • April 7, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I'll wait for it to air on Cartoon Network

    by MontyPigeon

  • April 7, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Why Bale hates Pizza Hut:

    by TedKordLives

    The heat lamps over the buffet are FUCKING DISTRACTING!

  • April 7, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Life is not PG13.

    by Reelheed

    Therefore PG13 is less than my life. And my life includes reading fansites.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    "Yippie-Kay-Yay...

    by TedKordLives

    Mister Falcon!" <P> Am I the only one who remembers this? <P> Also, RE:LFODH- Bruce, shouting "Is that the best you can do?" over and over does not make you John McClane. Go watch the first three movies again, baldy.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Terminator also shortened to 30 minutes or less

    by JoeSixPack

    *Rimshot*

  • April 7, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Anyone..

    by Harold-Sherbort

    who doesn't see this because it's PG-13, well, to me that's odd. I understand if you don't like the series, but to not see something because of a rating....yeah. If it were something like( please jesus, don't let this happen) Taxi Driver 2, and they made it PG-13, yeah, I'd be a little concerned. As has been stated before, they can make a great PG-13 Terminator. I hope that's what they did here.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Roger Friedman got his motherfucking ass FIRED!

    by Leafar the Lost

    I QUOTE: Fox News columnist Roger Friedman is out after posting a review of a leaked full-length work print of " X-Men Origins: Wolverine ." Fox News said Monday that the company's representatives and Friedman "mutually agreed to part ways immediately." Friedman had been an entertainment writer who has contributed to FoxNews.com for 10 years. He wrote in his Fox 411 column Thursday that downloading the 20th Century Fox superhero prequel was "so much easier than going out in the rain" and that the movie "exceeds expectations at every turn." The early review of the film, which 20th Century Fox described as a "stolen, incomplete and early version," was later removed from the Web site Friday. Fox News and 20th Century Fox are both units of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. The movie, which focuses on the beginnings of Hugh Jackman 's clawed Marvel superhero Wolverine, is not scheduled for release until May 1, but the leaked version began appearing online last week. 20th Century Fox promised that the source of the film would be prosecuted and said the FBI and Motion Picture Association of America are investigating the leak.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    "BALE'S CUT will retail at around $400 dollars and contains controversial 'one play' technology. Meaning that the film can only be watched once. 'Watching a film more than once is fucking distracting' said Bale when pushed for the reason behind this. It is thought that BALE's CUT not only features Moon Bloodgood's tits but also a gratuitous 'tit-fucking' sequence, which Bale describes as 'integral to the plot'." <P> I think I'm gonna print that quote out and frame it, haha. +1,000,000 internets to you, good sir. <P> This news fuckn sucks indeed... but, really guys... I'm so tired... just so tired of complaining.. I want to smile and be happy again. We need new franchises :\

  • April 7, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    New Franchises?

    by TedKordLives

    Heavens to betsy! Who would, nay, who could think up such a thing. I mean, really, who could envision something like that? That would take some kind of genius writer or something. Can't even wrap my head around it.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives & Cobra--Kai

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    IDK, but there hasn't been anything worth a shit in ages. Anyone still think The Matrix is worth caring about anymore? Is Outlander the new Predator? Not by a long shot. <P> Cobra, the knowledge that Lord Bale is indeed watching over all of us with his vigilant professionalism is indeed reason to smile. Hopefully he invokes some divine intervention on this matter.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    the_shogun_gunslinger

    by spud mcspud

    Keep the faith, brother Professional. If you write them... they will come.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Outlander...

    by Fenrisulfr

    ... is certainly not the new Predator, but that was a pretty cool and entertaining Viking movie. Flawed for sure, but entertaining with pretty good acting and awesome visuals. And the monster was pretty cool as well. The bioluminescence aspect was something new and refreshing.

  • April 7, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Shogun

    by TedKordLives

    Nah, man, I completely agree. I just can't see Hollywood even trying to do that at this point. It's so fucking sad. Even if one of us came up with a surefire hit franchise, wrote up three fucking perfect scripts, got an agent and shopped it around-it would be deemed 'Too risky' and they'd go back to casting zac efron in the new 'Nightmare on Elm Street'. It really makes me quite ill. Thank God for Stallone and his 'Expendables' (even if he stole the title from my brain).

  • April 7, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ

    by ominus

    i read in the other talkback that the Ghostbusters 2 sequel was crap,and now i am reading that the Terminator 2 sequel is crap too. <p>who ever claims such things he is an idiot who doesnt know shit about movies. <p>stick to your fucking PG13 Terminator 3 summer popcorn movie,and leave the first 2 terminator movies to people who can enjoy quality stuff. <p>as the pg13 labeling is concerned,dont worry.the pg13 T4 movie is impossible to be worse than the T3 movie.which i dont remember was this shit R-Rated? i think it wasnt.but anyway,one last comment <p>FUCK YOU HOLYWOOD

  • April 7, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST

    PG13 Christian Bale

    by ominus

    <p>what dont u fu(gunshot) understand? <p> fu(someone farting) man u r amateur. <p>i am going to kick your fu(toilet flushing) ass.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    PG13 Terminator 3 =

    by ominus

    = PG13 Terminator 4

  • April 7, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives and others

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    The Expendables is like, the light at the end of the tunnel. If Stallone can deliver it might just be what we've been asking for. I have faith in him to say the least. Speaking of Stallone, the man obviously digs this site, somehow got more hardcore as he got older and has respect for Harry for some odd reason. I nominate him for the position of Pope in the Church of Bale. <P> I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to Outlander :\ I love the concept but the execution of it seemed all wrong to me. Think I just have trouble caring about Vikings haha. However I give it a lot of props for accomplishing what it did with its minuscule budget. Just won't be a repeat viewer for me. <P> BTW ominus, GB2 does indeed suck balls, minus the eternal badassness of the line "On a mountain of skulls, In a castle of pain, I sat on a throne of blood". After that its nothing but bad 80's C-class comedians and pink slime. Everything else you said is right on the money. <P> Bale Bless you all :)

  • April 7, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    PG-13 Bale would fit right in on an episode of Married with children, lol.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Vern,UnApatow is right

    by ominus

    the entrance of arnies terminator was watered down.in the first film he killed the punks to get their clothes,in the sequel he just beats the biker guys. <p>but why is watered down is explained i think in the T2 dvd extras.Cameron in a commentary there,said that Arnie at the late 80s,after his r-rated movies,wanted to have a more family-friendly appeal to the audience,because he was going to start his political career.thats why he started making comedies and thats why his terminator in the T2 movie was a bit watered down so that he doesnt look bad by killing all the time innocent people like in the first movie. <p>personally i dont care,T2 was a great movie in its own merits,it cant be compared to the first one,because the original was a scifi horror movie,while the T2 was a scifi action adventure.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    T2 was R-rated then, it's R-rated today

    by AlwaysThere

    If you say otherwise, you need to go back and watch T2 right this instance.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    he_shogun_gunslinger the only problem

    by ominus

    with GB2 was the baby.it turned it to a more family movie,than the first movie. <p>and that was the producers choice,because the only reason the sequel was made (murray didnt want to do it heh) was the huge success of the cartoon tvseries.which even the cartoon,after the 2 seasons was waterned down into a more kiddie edition. <p>but anyway GB2 had great moments,like the court scene,the underground scene,etc.i always laugh with Venkmans reaction when Yahnos handshakes him. ;)

  • April 7, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Ominus

    by Cptn_Howdee

    According to Cameron, he gave the script to Arnold, and Arnold thought it was a bad idea to not have him kill anybody. I believe he said, "But Jim, I'm The Terminator." Jim reassured him that it was going to be an inversion, and that he would now be the hero.<br><br> Arnold trusted his brilliance, and the rest is history.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Watered down

    by Cptn_Howdee

    T800 was not watered down in T2. It was a conscious decision, both regarding story and character, that T800 would not kill anyone.<br><br>It looks like few people here remember when little decisions like that still counted.

  • April 7, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Shogun

    by TedKordLives

    I didn't see Outlander yet, so I can't say. Do they leave it open for potential sequels? But yeah, Stallone is definitely making movies for us now, and I really dig that. I fully expect the Expendies<TM> to fully kick my ass. <P>But hey, GB2 doesn't totally suck. It's just that the first one is so amazing and perfect that any possible sequel would pale in comparison. Even if they got Lord Bale to play Vigo (Or Janoz, think about that), I don't think it could touch the first one.<P> My favorite line from GB2: Venkman: "Oh, Johnny did you back the wrong horse." <P> Full-on Venkman there.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    T1 and T2 would still be R

    by Six Demon Bag

    T1 arnie rips thru a guys chest (to get clothes) and in T2 i think the fact that he has a certain "disrespect" towards the police officers by shooting at them would get them and R.. Besides, Cameron will Take On the MPAA, he aint afraid!!! and his films still rake it in. (excluding Abyss ahich has his least violent film and PG13 i might add)

  • April 7, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    You're Both Right

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    T2 is both a great sequel and awful. In my opinion, it starts out great - all the way up to the scene where Linda Hamilton begins to scream about "men! Men like you!" It skids a little there, and then begins to go off the rails, right up to the gut-puking finale in which John Connor hugs the killing machine and basically says "No, mah - Old Arnie is MY dog. I'm gonna take him out back with the shotgun" before bawling "Don't die, my toy robot! Don't die!" By then, it's just awful and painful. As for this PG-13 T4, Harry may try to sugar-coat it all he wants, but the bottom line is that McG is a ****ing liar, from the time he said James Cameron gave him his blessings to the time he said he made T4 with no interference from the studio about what rating it would be (surprise! it's pg-13! what a shocker!). We all knew there's no room in this world for R-rated action franchises that aren't about grim vigilantes (and even then ...). I call ******** on this entire thing.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Oh, also-

    by TedKordLives

    I've gotta say that I am of mixed feelings about T2. Good point about him not killing the bikers. Perhaps John Conner of the future instructed him not to kill anybody?<P> But there's this guy at work who swears T2 is one of the best movies ever made. I give him shit just to set him off. Personally, I prefer T1. Leaner, meaner movie. And if you don't like that-hmmm, what should I say? Oh, "Fuck you, asshole." :)

  • April 7, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    LAserpants--My BLACK ASS Cameron is a hack

    by Six Demon Bag

    name one bad film since Terminator...fuck you he rules

  • April 7, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    GB1 was always family friendly. The baby didn't have much to do with the sequels inferiority. The whole cast is visibly bored throughout the whole movie (especially Murray). It just wasn't the right story and to be totally honest, it just isn't very funny either. <P> And can we PLEASE stop pretending that T2 isn't THE most amazing film in the history of mankind? I mean, James Cameron's direction, T-1000, "Eeeeeaaasy Money", the groundbreaking effects, awe-inspiring stunt work, infinite quotability and Arnold firing a fucking minigun!!!! Does it have some goofy shit? Well, YEAH! But does it have the best G&R song ever? Yes! Does it have a guy getting impaled in the face with a giant arm-blade? FUCK YES IT DOES! <P> Don't act like you don't love the shit outta T2.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Robodaddy 2: Cryfest Day

    by Prossor

    what a soapy blubbering cryfest of a movie. I'd rather fucking watch Hercules in New York than sit through that nauseating abortion.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Present day ratings

    by Six Demon Bag

    T1, T2, Robocop, Aliens, Predator 1 and 2=R Matrix trilogy=PG13

  • April 7, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    If

    by TedKordLives

    T2 had come out three years earlier, I would love the shit out of it. It's still badass, I just don't have the love for it that some of you do. I don't have a vitriolic hate of it either, like some of you high-blood-pressure having freaks. That said, it IS fun to get on here and spew some hyperbole. That's what this is: Hyperbole Practice.

  • April 7, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Arnold's cock in T1?

    by Prossor

    Someone mentioned at the top there was dick in T1, in the beginning when he's strolling around at night i only remember getting only seeing a meaty robust ass picnic, never his Austrian smoked sausage. I might have to rewatch it now!

  • April 7, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Pretty Sure

    by TedKordLives

    There's no 'Austrian smoked sausage' in T1. Not, uh, that I was looking really hard for it. But, of course, um, it's cool if YOU do. I mean, not that it matters what I think about it anyway. Ok, gonna go away for awhile now.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Oh PLEASE...LOOK EVERYONE JUST

    by southafricanguy

    Dont waste your time on laserpants, he has some personal vendetta against Cameron, and he always goes on about him being a hack and that Cameron is like Bay. This only proves how demented this guy guy is, if you cant tell the difference between Bay and Cameron please hands in your geek card and stop wasting your time on a genre/geek website. Oh and laserpants if Cameron is a hack and the same as Bay then Kubrick was a pretentious, boring shitty director (see how that works, i dont have to provide any evidence or substance to what I say, its my opinion therefore its fact)

  • April 7, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Trent reznor=jon bon jovi..one and the same

    by southafricanguy

  • April 7, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Best teaser trailer ever

    by optimus122

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlLCqVKwWJk&feature=related

  • April 7, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Star trek=pokemon...one and the same..

    by southafricanguy

  • April 7, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    no Sausage

    by johnnylawless2

    but T2 definitely has Robert Patrick Balls

  • April 7, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Leonardo DaVinci=Hack

    by TedKordLives

    Jeez, pick a medium already. Oh, and your Code sucks.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST

    kids robbing ATM is one of the reasons for Rated R?

    by Prossor

    whoa some retarded folk here. Then every movie that featured someone stealing money is Rated R too.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Scorsese is a hack.

    by imagin78

    Martin Scorsese is a hack just like Uwe Boll. Boy, it sure is fun just saying stuff that has no basis in reality.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    T1's gore

    by Prossor

    In T1 you had Arnie plunging his fist in a dude's stomach and then taking it out like he just dipped his arm in candy batter, then there's the do it yourself surgery, some missionary fucking, also a soldier explodes during a future war scene. Oh and for the record T1=classic scifi horror. T2=summer popcorn effects vehicle. They even showed T1 on TCM. You'll never see T2 on that channel.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Herbie

    by imagin78

    You might not see T2 on TCM, but Herbie goes to Monte Carlo will be showing on TCM later this month. Who gives a crap what TCM shows? That is hardly the bellwether for great movies.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight could've been Rated R...

    by Mrhazard

    Just because they didnt show any blood doesnt make it any less violent... The Joker character was as dark and Rated R as you can get... People die left and right in the film... IMO its probably the most violent PG-13 movie I have ever seen... And the scene with Two-Face threatening Gordon's wife and waving a gun in front of their son's face is very disturbing... Mind you, I LOVE IT because its so violent... Hopefully T4 can accomplish the same thing...

  • April 7, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    HEY!

    by TedKordLives

    Who's dissin Herbie goes to Monte Carlo? WHAT DONCHU FUCKIN UNDERSTAND? The car has a 42 on it!

  • April 7, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Sup Cracker Jacks!!!

    by MainMan2001

    We all have nothing to do?! Non of us!!! We sit around and talk about T4 rating! Who cares?! This will not and I repeat not blow anyone anyway!!! It will be alright. Loud and some cool visuals! That's all.

  • April 7, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Another Thing You Fucking Nerds!!

    by MainMan2001

    Bale is overrated. I said it. Over fucking fated with the exception of American Psycho

  • April 7, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    fated=rated.

    by MainMan2001

  • April 7, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    T2 is still rated R "dickwads".

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    No problemo, DICKWADS.

  • April 7, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    'IF WE STAY THE COURSE...

    by TedKordLives

    ...WE WILL NEVER GET TO PIZZA HUT!'<P> <P> Sorry about all the yelling, but that's what Lord Bale sounds like.<P> MainMan, watch out for ninjas tonight. BaleNinjas.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Can someone post Bale Rant, the PG-13 version ?

    by theplant

    I mean, all the promo on this film was a long FUCK ! rant. Can someone post it edited down to PG-13, just to see if it's as fun. Not that it matter, the movie might still suck rated R. McG it's time for damage control.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Arnie doesn't kill anyone before meeting John Connor?

    by bottombrick

    Because he already met John Connor, John Connor reprogrammed him in the future - he is a hero in the second movie, Robert patrick is the terminator.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    And for apologists still lying to themselves

    by bottombrick

    and pretending that the only people who want it R are teenage delinquents who like hearing people yell fuck, and want boobies and empty gore - it is not killing as many people as possible, or rubber models and corn syrup, or people chuckling to themselves while they chant fuck fuckety fuck fuck that is being stolen from us, it is Adult Themes, it is real human agony and the human spirit that redeems it. It is the difference between a story that burrows into your skull and effects you, and a cartoon for the kiddies. R is for adult situations that are depicted in a way that is too intense and real for the children this movie is being made for.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    And how much cowardice

    by bottombrick

    Does it take to repeatedly claim T2 is too soft, only to excuse the even more watered down product being marketed to you? If going from a lower budget Horror sci-fi to a bigger budget summer movie ruined T2 as you claim, how in the fuck could sliding further down the raped for cash Hollywood gandbang from "softer" R directed by Cameron to Pg13 cash-in directed by McG be anything but a complete ass raping?

  • April 7, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    MainMan2001-Blasphemer!

    by conspiracy

    How dare you insult Lord Bale and his holy and righteous works. Sitting there all da da da da daaaaa, right through the middle of a talkback. You better hope Bale doesn't come over and kick your fucking ass....Fucking Amateur man.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Uh, guys?

    by TedKordLives

    I think we're supposed to be making Pizza Hut jokes, not seriously debating the ratings system and their effect (or not) on various genre movies. But I'm going home, so by all means...

  • April 7, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy...

    by TedKordLives

    Thanks, I already warned him. By the Way, I wasn't registered during the magical Balerant TB, but I read every single post. It's Bookmarked on my work computer so I can revisit it from time to time. I salute you, PROFESSIONAL. I hope in time I could be considered an honorary PROFESSIONAL.<P> BaleNinjas.

  • April 7, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Scorses is a hack 75% of the time.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    The rest of the time he's mildly entertaining. I like him more than I like his films.<p>His only true achievement is The Aviator. Admit it.

  • April 7, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives = MOTHERFUCKING PROFESSIONAL.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 7, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    You guys thinking only an R Rated film can be cool....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....need to eat a dick. I like gory, hard R shit as much as the next twisted motherfucker-- but I'm sick to fucking death of you jerk offs screaming "ITS GOTTA BE R!!" about every fucking film released. Shut your mouth and continue lapping the whip cream off Tarantino's balls with that nonsense. No one is saying every film should be PG-13. We're merely saying Terminator films could be just fine in the PG-13 world. There is no gore thats so fucking cool its gotta be there. There's no Robocop shit or anything like that; there's a few shots, a few stabs, cutting open an eye, what the fuck ever. Doesn't make the film. People keep bringing up PG-13 Die Hard. I agree. FUCK THAT. The foul language is vital to the character. He must drink, smoke, and cuss up a fucking storm for him to be John McClane. They stripped the character of his balls, and he feels like a totally different guy. That was a big fucking mistake. And none of that applies to Terminator. But he shoots cops!! Oh fuck off with that bullshit. PG-13 it is.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    thank god a movie's legacy is created in the

    by southafricanguy

    real world and not these retarded revisionist talkbacks. At the end of the day T2 has a 100% fresh rating at rotten tomatoe, its always listed in film magazines lists og greatest movies, and its often cited as one of the most influential movies in terms of effects (by guys like Spielberg, Lucas etc..) and to be one of the best sequals by ordinary movie goers and non-geeks. Because it actually expands on the story, deepens the characters, and is a different movie (wow..imagine that, a sequal thats different from the forst). I really need to ask if IQs just suddenly dropped while I was away? If you simply dont like T2 great, more power to you, but please stop handing out this bullshit that its bad becos its not as violent as t1 etc... T1 is a fucking horror movie! A simple long chase with a great premise (if that what you want..WATCH T1 THEN FOR FUCKSD SAKE). while (and i dont believe this needs to be said) is a different movie. ita an action movie that spends its middle section expanding the story and on character development, it inverts the villain of the first movie etc...Gods sake its like somone complaining that Aliens sucks becos its not a gothic haunted house story set in space, or ESB sucks becos the tone is too different, too much darker etc..If you prefer horror, then cool! then you will most likely prefer Alien and T1. If however you prefer sc-fi action thrill rides..well then you will prefer Aliens and T2. Why?,,,Becos they are...DIFFERENT MOVIES!

  • April 7, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    imagin78...yeah its great to just spout whatever

    by southafricanguy

    mindless crap I want without having to substantiate it or have it make any sense...the beatles=hacks!!

  • April 7, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    LED ZEPPLIN......BORING!!!

    by southafricanguy

  • April 7, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    STANLY KUBRICK.....MOST OVERRATED

    by southafricanguy

    DIRECTOR EVER!!!

  • April 7, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    BOTTOMBRICK......EXACTLY DUDE LOL

    by southafricanguy

    The same fuckwits that complain about all of T2's supposed faults, particularly that its "watered down" are all clamoring about how good T4 will be...it just beggers belief! If thats the case (regarding T2) they do realize T4 will onlt be much more watered down...right? Please tell me they understand this? That they are nt just all that blindly full of shit, contrarion, and revisionist?

  • April 7, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    TAF have posted the first pictures of Arnie in T4

    by theplant

    Look like this site is behind the news ... AGAIN

  • April 7, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Does it feel weird to go through life begging everyone to agree with you? I can't relate. I don't need anyone else to validate jack shit for me to feel better about myself. There's always a jerk off like yourself, dropping Rotten Tomatoes stats: "WELL WELL....EVERYONE ELSE LIKES IT, YOU SHOULD TOO!"<p>"gothic haunted house story set in space" <p>hehehe. You are a fucking moron. No need to debate.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by bottombrick

    Consider this scene from Robocop - the upstart is sniffing coke off some sluts' breasts, self assured and lapping up his victory. Until BITCHES LEAVE, and he gets a rude awakening in to the way the top dogs sort things out. Now, if we just tally up the physical effects needed to represent his schooling, its just a couple of KNEECAPPINGS and an explosion, nothing that couldn't expressly be shown in one of these PG 13 studio action-lite movies you faggots are fueling with your weakness, but how much would be lost in translating a hard R Verhoeven vision into a PG 13 hack pack abortion? You admit Die Hard 4 was shit, but you cannot see the parallel in T4? They are both cashing in once strong franchises and watering them down until they are bullshit

  • April 7, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Did someone say PHATE

    by Phategod2

    Look this movie could be rated XXXNCPGRZ and nothings gonna save it from the worst rating of all McG this movie will be SHIT on a stick. "So say we all."

  • April 7, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST

    I completely understand the cashing in argument.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I get that. Its been done several times with shitty results. Beverly Hills Cop 3 is another example. But in this particular case, I think a Terminator film can be just fine with a PG-13. Unless they were planning on showing insane decapitations and legs getting blown off and shit, which I doubt. Even if the studio greenlit an R, I doubt it would be very hard. Thats why I slammed those that brought up The Matrix. The most undeserving films of an R Rating ever.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST

    and I love me some 48 Hours and 80s shit like that.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Where there's coke, topless whores, everyone casually dropping F-Bombs, the fucking works. Some of my favorite films are those dirty ass R Rated cop films of the 80s. But that is not what films are today. Its just a change of the times. These days most R Rated films seem to be trying very hard to be R, and in walk talentless hacks like Tarantino who seduces those yearning to be cool and accepted by writing FUCK every other word. It just doesn't flow. Nolte and Murphy could sat FUCK a thousand times and make it smooth and conversational. This modern day generation can't for the most part.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST

    I think I love you man did not deserve a R rating

    by Phategod2

    Other then the dropping of a couple F bombs what was R worthy in that movie.

  • April 7, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Dickblood, if you don't come out swinging for R rated films

    by bottombrick

    who will? I see a broken future, every other geek already having been ass-raped from every other solid action movie being re-rebooted into G rated infomercials several times over, and you stand alone as Robocop at last gets the treatment, and kids grow up in this bleak dystopia half-heartedly clutching their Robocop toys having never experienced true Robocop. And you aided and abetted at every step of the way, justifying it to yourself "Hey, its an OK movie but it aint *gunshot*ing Robocop" until at long last isolated and alone you are powerless to stem the tide of faggotry

  • April 7, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST

    bottombrick -- GOD DAMN YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 7, 2009, 11:57 p.m. CST

    And if by the end of this Talkback...

    by bottombrick

    You are not praying to Bale for an R, you are demoted to levarburtons_peepeesauce

  • April 8, 2009, midnight CST

    "Bunch a slack jawed faggots around here."

    by otm shank

    How much fun would the vast majority of us movie fans who grew up in the 80's have had without the great (and sometimes shitty) R rated films of such skillful thespians as Stallone,Schwarzenegger, and Willis to name a few?<p> It was the masterful orator George W. Bush who once said "our childrens is learning".<p> Yes. To be a load of pussies.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Look, I draw the line a Robocop

    by Phategod2

    I saw this movie a 10 years old and it rock my Worls I love my mother for taking me to see this and Diehard without even me asking to see it. The guy Who played Clarence Boddiker still gives me the creeps. "Can you Bobby" that movie is as Hard R as you can get And if you water it down (as it has been done before) it loses its punch, its satire, everything that made it great.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Am I the only one who...

    by The Dum Guy

    Is pissed off at the fact that movies today are released in theaters under a PG-13, but is released on video as unrated?<br><br>My gripe is that we get inferior films to see on the big screen, but we get the intended version (I use that term liberaly) at home.<br><br>Thank Kubla Khan for Stallone and his ability to make R rated movies that seem like R rated movies from yester-year... ahh Rambo dismembering a platoon with a 50. cal.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Danny please go and fuck yourself, you

    by southafricanguy

    really are the biggest cunt on these talkbacks, well you and laserpants. Where did i say i wanted everyone to agree with me you dumb fuck? please find where I said that exactly? I was being sarcastic (look it up fuckwit) as a way of mocking those that pass thier opinion off as fact, or those that make ridiculous comparisons with no basis in reality...ok Danny? Alright with you?

  • April 8, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    and im a retard becos i said Alien was like a

    by southafricanguy

    gothic haunted house movie? Well i stole that actually from Empire magazines descrition of it, so then i guess Empire magazine is retarded...compared to your vast arrogance and super shitty taste (the lost world)

  • April 8, 2009, 12:41 a.m. CST

    being called a retard by you is a like having

    by southafricanguy

    G.Bush calling me a fuck up.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    OH, AND ONE FINAL THING YOU OXYGEN

    by southafricanguy

    THIEF, Im so sorry you are a bitter, cynical, elitist geek/fanboy. Im sorry for usein g things like rottentomatoes to try to use some quantifiable source to make my argument. In future I will try to say much more stupid things like you, be like you...just know what i know becos thats what ive deceided i know. In other words a typical talkbacker...

  • April 8, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST

    when Avatar comes out as this PG-13 business

    by mrbong

    are you lot also going to sulk and whinge, are you? Terminator Salvation looks excellent, stop getting all worked up about the arbitrary rating and get on with enjoying it/

  • April 8, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    The 80's are fuckin OVER dickwads !!!

    by theplant

    All I see here is talkbackers still living in the past. Yes, the 80's action R rated heroes were great. And you know why ? BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THE STUDIOS DEMANDED. IT WAS WHAT WAS SELLING. Today, PG-13 is the norm. Thanks to stupid shit Like Watchmen, with no story and over gratuitous violence not found in the comic, failing at the BO, it's even more the norm. Live with it. Yes DH4 sucked, but also Matrix 2 & 3 and they were rated R. Ratings don't mean shit. The filmmaker caring or not does. Bottom Line, the dickhead with no name who bang bimbos and did DH4 didn't care. McG does.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:03 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy -- I didn't call you a retard.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I called you a jerk off, a moron, and now I'm about to call you a cunt. <p>Please don't put words in my mouth you IGNORANT CUNT.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy -- A George W. joke? Seriously.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....go to bed.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    What the fuck is an OXYGEN THIEF?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Is that South African slang? Are you really South African? If so...I'm sorry. That place is a real shithole. You should move to Ohio.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Pizza Hut is trashing my intestines

    by geek molester

    fucking amateurs.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST

    watchmen would have been better PG-13

    by geek molester

    the whole hard-R horror segment was totally out of place. And they could have shown a glowing blue penis for a second and still get Pg-13, right? Do you really need more than a second of glowing blue penis?

  • April 8, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Just be happy they still make big budget R movies at all

    by geek molester

    that in itself is a miracle.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    move to ohio? why so i can be surrounded by

    by southafricanguy

    fat, ignorant, opinionated, arrogant American cunts like you? Where I can experiance your bankrupt, shallow and superficial culture up close? No thanks i ll stay in South Africa. Though as you are most likely a typical American you know next to nothing about the outside world, so how you could know what SA is like is beyond me. Amd why should nt i put words in your mouth? Is nt that exactly what you did to me? You accuse me of being a jerk off becos i want everyone to agree with even though i never said any such thing. You are such a hypocrite...but then you are American...

  • April 8, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Let me please be clear for those to stupid to

    by southafricanguy

    get my point (ie Danny) i dont care one single fuck if you like T2 or not, what im saying is that you are welcome to your opinion, but you cant state utter nonsense regarding the way the movie is viewed and or its legacy when there is plenty of actual quantifiable evidence to the contrary. In other words i was making fun of those that pass thier opinion off as fact, or who make absurd comparisons. For example like comparing Cameron to Bay, and then not being able to back that up whatsoever with any thing coming close to making sense.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    like good ol danny boy.....btw an oxygen thief

    by southafricanguy

    is someone that is stealing oxygen from more deserving people who actually have brains and thus need oxygen to keep said brain going. The thieves are those morons who have no brain cells and are thus 'stealing' oxygen from those more deserving as the oxygen they use is wasted.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    and you are the cunt here Danny..i was just

    by southafricanguy

    being sarcastic and making fun of stupidity, and you just attack me out of nowhere, calling me a moron and a jerk off becos you are too stupid to understand what i was doing. Ive spoken to you before Danny and we have had civil conversation before, so why the fuck you flame me like that for no good reason? Yeah...and im the cunt?

  • April 8, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    I will happily debate any movie topic with you

    by southafricanguy

    and could not be more happy that you have your own opinion, provided it actually makes sense, but dont come and start talking a whole lot of shit to me and about me just becos you like to be controversial in the talkbacks and start arguments.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:24 a.m. CST

    And really Danny dont be too quick to attack

    by southafricanguy

    my nationality, at least the whole world doesnt hate us, at least we did nt elect Bush..not once but twice! At least we did nt invade another country based on a complete lie. At least my country isnt isnt in massive debt, and living of the credit provided by China. At least...ah shit the list just goes on....

  • April 8, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    gewt your own house in order pal before you

    by southafricanguy

    call other people's countries a shithole.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:38 a.m. CST

    McG and Cameron.

    by imagin78

    The audacity for anyone to attack Cameron, who has made some of the best action films ever, and defend McG, who has done nothing, shows a complete lack of film knowledge. Or, they just enjoy stirring the pot for no good reason.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Scorsese relies too much on flashy editing

    by Prossor

    and i don't give a shit about the street scene subject matter he's so enamored by. I like Casino because it's hilariously over the top thanks to Pesci, and Taxi Driver, although that is more for Shrader's script tackling a universal problem no one ever thought for a movie, the rest i wouldn't bat an eye if their negatives burnt and their crews/cast were placed into mass execution ditches. Coppola is a dandy fellow though, even though i dont give a shit about mob movies either. Apocalypse Now is great! i'm not going i'm not going! over and out.

  • April 8, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    otm shank

    by Prossor

    sup fellow dvdtalker

  • April 8, 2009, 3:17 a.m. CST

    but Danny

    by Vern

    How is somebody needing their opinions validated any worse than needing to always say the most outrageous, ridiculous bullshit just to get a rise out of people? Like that one about Scorsese above, obviously you would have to be one stupid motherfucker who never saw a movie if you really believed that horse shit. You cannot convince me that you and Unapatowzed honestly believe something that moronic. But you gotta come up with that kind of crap multiple times a day to keep your reputation #1 King Asshole of the talkbacks.<p> For the record, I sincerely like McG's direction of the Charlie's Angels movies and want this movie to be good. So it makes me feel like an dumbass to see you pretending to like McG just because you think it's rebellious. You're like those dumb punks in the '70s who wore swastikas on their leather jackets because they knew you weren't supposed to do that.<p> I feel like we're kind of buddies though anyway. I'm not trying to throw you some shit, I honestly think you should consider what it is that makes you such a blatant show offy contrarian. You don't have to answer the question to me but maybe you should answer it to yourself, unless it actually makes you happy to be Danny Glover's Dickblood.

  • April 8, 2009, 3:19 a.m. CST

    No sooner do I send that...

    by Vern

    then fucking Prossor says the same thing about Scorsese. And I recently discovered an old talkback where Laserpants claimed that DIE HARD isn't that good and doesn't compare to the BOURNE movies.<P> Forget it guys, I give up.

  • April 8, 2009, 4:01 a.m. CST

    yeah well

    by Prossor

    maybe i was a little extreme there but while scorsese makes entertaining movies they're not for me. boring genres.

  • April 8, 2009, 4:29 a.m. CST

    VERN...PLEASE DO GIVE UP, ON THESE

    by southafricanguy

    TALKBACKS you have to hear the same guys always telling everyone that will listen how die hard has aged badly, how bad T2 is, how Scorsese, Cameron etc..are a hack....its like arguing with children, seriously. And if you say this you will get attacked as a moron and/or jerk-off by apparantly trying to bring sense and logic into the argument, because said sense and logic undermines thier absurd opinions (which they believe are valid regardless of wether they make a lick of sense or not). They cant understand that its got nothing to do with personal taste or opinion. Its about at least acknowledging and/or having some respect for directors that have been ground breaking or influential...basically they are nt members of the hack pack.

  • April 8, 2009, 4:33 a.m. CST

    however it seems that the outrageous squad

    by southafricanguy

    cant tell the difference. Heres a simple example...i dont like 2001, for me its the most boring, pretentious, and overrated sci-fi movie ever. However that is my opinion, but im able to stand back from my own likes/dislikes and acknowledge that it is an amazing technical achievemnet, that its very influential, and that Kubrick was a very talented guy (even though i dont like his movies). But i guess that makes me a cunt, right?

  • April 8, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    so cobra-kai..you like guys that act like com

    by southafricanguy

    plete cunts on talkback and just flame someone to start an argument so they can maintain their title as talkback asshole #1?

  • April 8, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    anyway...dannys just pissed off becos

    by southafricanguy

    trent reznor=jon bon jovi

  • April 8, 2009, 4:36 a.m. CST

    and Kubrick=hack

    by southafricanguy

  • April 8, 2009, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Pizza is overrated

    by Vern

    Don't even get me started on cake and ice cream. It tastes like poop and only a retard would enjoy it.<p> Sorry I get worked up sometimes, I just think everybody can be redeemed, but sometimes it's hard in the talkbacks. I got a pet peeve for people using the word "hack" wrong too. "Hack" doesn't mean a director who you think is bad. It means somebody like the guy who did GET SMART or something, a mediocre for-hire type director without a personal style or vision. So even if you are silly enough to hate James Cameron's movies you're using the wrong word to call him a "hack."<p> As for McG, not sure yet. At least he did CHARLIE'S ANGELS his own way, but it does kind of bug me how he just mentions other recent movies like CHILDREN OF (gunshot) MEN when discussing this new one. We'll see how it pans out.

  • April 8, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST

    exactly vern! they dont even know what the

    by southafricanguy

    fuck hack means.

  • April 8, 2009, 4:48 a.m. CST

    but then there is no thought behind what they

    by southafricanguy

    say, its about being outrageous or contrarion. fuck any thing else..

  • April 8, 2009, 4:49 a.m. CST

    oh, and vern...you forgot about sex..totally

    by southafricanguy

    overrated. It actually feels really unpleasant

  • April 8, 2009, 4:53 a.m. CST

    and you have to be a moron or jerk off to enjoy

    by southafricanguy

    it

  • April 8, 2009, 5:06 a.m. CST

    IMAGIN 78

    by southafricanguy

    dude, its useally an enjoyment of just stirring the pot, but just do as they do, make the most ridiculous, contrarion, nonsensical posts that you can, its fun.

  • April 8, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    T2 as released in '91 wouldn't be PG-13 today

    by Droid

    I haven't read any of the above comments so i may be repeating someone. <p>The film would be made very differently today, especially in terms of camera placement, blocking and editing. Of course the swearing would go. And the blood. It would essentially lighten the impact of the violence in the film, to its detriment. <p>While I agree that these days you don't NEED graphic violence to make a good action movie, a Terminator flick shouldn't be compromised to meet a PG-13 rating. I doubt this is the case here, because I don't believe for a second that WB wanted anything but a PG-13 movie. I just hope T4 hasn't been compromised the same way that DH4 was compromised. Six months from now I don't want to see some bullshit 'harder cut' dvd come out with three seconds of footage and the swearing cut back in.

  • April 8, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    True Lies=PG-13 nowdays?

    by Doc_Hudson

    Are you kidding?.....no one could even release that movie today,...to damn "racist",....the same excuse they had when it was released. Fuck the Terminator,...I wanna sequel to Lies! "Ass like a 10 year old boy!"

  • April 8, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    "Its for, you know, kids"

    by I AM ROCKO

    So a film dealing with annihilation of mankind by automated soldiers, will be suitable for kids. Lord save me.

  • April 8, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    haven't been paying attention...

    by Maniaq

    maybe this has already been reported - ya know - this being a NEWS site and all... <p> http://tinyurl.com/cfycgh

  • April 8, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    pizza hut

    by Dradis Contact

    Has their head up their ass, generally. I have a story about this but it's not relevant.

  • April 8, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Pizza sounds good to me

    by bobsjohnson

    http://digg.com/d1nrMA

  • April 8, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Movie ratings are made by Priests, Soccer Mom's and Beta Males

    by Dhaemon

    The power of Christ commands you! <Br> "Brought to you by the Chrusch of Jesus Christ and the Latter day saints"

  • April 8, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Movie ratings are made by Priests, Soccer Mom's and Beta Males

    by Dhaemon

    The power of Christ commands you! <Br> "Brought to you by the Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter day saints"

  • April 8, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Stupid double post.

    by Dhaemon

    Better than getting a lightening bolt to my head I guess.

  • April 8, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    It would be a stupid double post if it weren't for the...

    by Droid

    stupid spelling mistake. <p>Nice try though, mate.

  • April 8, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Hmmm

    by Dhaemon

    The devil made me do it? :)

  • April 8, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    If they had strip clubs promoting...

    by mrfan

    this movie then you would have your R or even a NC-17 rating. Instead of toys one could get a lap dance by female terminators.

  • April 8, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Context 101 aka Context for Dumbasses.

    by Darth Macchio

    In particular...those absolutist dumbasses making idiot comments like "ratings don't matter". Why call that statement idiotic? Cause it's false? No, actually as I agree they don't matter.<p>I call it idiotic because the approach these nitwits are taking is from the outside working in and not the way cinematic films are created.<p>Most of you making this claim are very likely not artistic/creative or have never had any true insight into their own artistic integrity.<p>The idea is very simple; so simple that I bet you already know the truth of it.<p>You create a work of cinema art. If you wind up with a movie a bunch of unelected outsiders say is rated this or that and then the production steps in to insist on guiding your artistic vision to produce a desired rating, and you let them, then you have no artistic integrity. This isn't necessarily a bad thing and guys like Ratner and McG have very likely made careers out of it. More power to them to put business before art. I just wish they'd do this with their own ideas or come to them already set on ratings; not come into existing franchises and allow production to dictate them into the proverbial shitter. WalterB championed this mentality in that infamous TB and look what that got him? A decent paycheck but a complete loss of respect for the art he helped to create.<p>I think it's unequivocal - when you cater to the final product in a manner that looks from the outside in with regards to story, then you've sold out your story for mass consumption. You've sold out your context for the greatest common denominator. You've sacrificed your artistic integrity either by force or by choice; the difference is usually tied into the current successes of those making the decision to refuse (stand) or obey (crawl).<p>You may disagree with specifics but if an external force enters into an artistic/creative process and guides it based on anything not DIRECTLY and 100% related to said art, is simply compromising of artistic vision. I would choose to fight even if it meant you'd never see my art? Why? Cause if some guy comes in and changes it to cater to a demographic it's no longer my art.<p>My philosophy is simple: the malleability of creative content should only ever come from the creator/s.<p>I understand and accept business will stick it's souless profit driven fingers in the mess...it's a necessary evil obviously. But one that was tenable at one point but now dictates and why? Because asswipes like McG and Ratner let them (which is why regardless of Watchmen's quality or box office, we should all hold a bit of praise for Snyder fighting for his vision...it's a rare quality nowadays no?).<p>I don't mean to say a PG-13 T4 will suck regardless but when the armchair general sits in his office and looks at a graph and then commands artistic procedure, everybody but that armchair general looses. (I'd argue he eventually looses as well as people eventually stop paying to see the stepford-movie homogenized pap they put out).

  • April 8, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Of course McG "sold out".

    by veebeeyes

    It's a fucking big budget action movie about killer robots from the future. Do you think that ANY of these movies are high art? That's what would be funny about this, if it weren't so sad and pathetic. Looking over this thread and seeing people taking this shit so seriously that they're actually getting offended that someone doesn't like T2, or thinks that the rating does/doesn't matter. I think a few people here need to stop and take another look at exactly what these movies are. Will a PG-13 rating hurt this movie? Maybe. Big fucking deal.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    It's not about high art or...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...even what you and I think about a specific movie or it's genre and the worth of that movie or genre.<p>I don't think ratings matter unless you are catering your vision to that rating for marketability. If this is what you're doing then you must ask yourself if you are truly intellectually free, creatively speaking.<p>You're welcomed to disagree with that statement obviously but it is not invalidated simply because of the specific genre you're working in. Why should it matter if it's big budget action or small obscure independent film? If artistic vision is trumped by marketability or anything other than the art itself, then that art is compromised.<p>Genre has absolutely nothing to do with it and is a poor excuse for dismissing these concerns over artistic integrity.<p>That said, could a pg-13 T4 be great and violent and in the spirit of the first 2? Of course!! Is it likely? I don't think so and why? McG. He'll fail just like Weisman did.<p>I'd still love to be wrong tho...about T4 and McG both...love to be dead wrong...very much so...Terminator and me go waaayyy back and I very much want this to succeed. Hope I'm wrong.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    I will never go to Pizza Mutt again, and it isn't about...

    by Leafar the Lost

    ...the new Terminator movie. Their pizza tastes like warm urine. Someone in the back must have pissed on it before giving it to me. I stopped eating at Pizza Mutt many years ago. Pappa Johns is a million times better.

  • April 8, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    To many pussys in this industry.

    by wowsucks

    Bales recorded tirade had an R rating so why can this movie not? Here come the shit dialog and the motherfu(Gun shot)er lines. PG-13 for what should be an R = instant rental material. The movies called fucking Terminator for a reason!

  • April 8, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by TedKordLives

    You're my hero. And T2 IS fucking overrated, especially on this site. Fuck'em all! Amateurs.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Why is it...

    by TedKordLives

    that this arguement became interesting to me only after DGDB came into it? Wait, don't answer that. <P> I do want to say that my favorite Scorsese film is 'After Hours', and I think it's sad that no one ever brings up this brilliant little dark-as-shit comedy. "I'll probably get blamed for that."

  • April 8, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    One thing I know for FUCKING SURE...

    by conspiracy

    If anyone starts Bawlingduring the press screening for this Fuckin Movie...Bale is going jump down from that podium, trash the fucking mics whilst vaulting over them, and kick somebodies fucking ass for complete being completely unprofessional.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    One thing I know for FUCKING SURE...

    by conspiracy

    If anyone starts Bawlingduring the press screening for this Fuckin Movie...Bale is going jump down from that podium, trash the fucking mics whilst vaulting over them, and kick somebodies fucking ass for being completely unprofessional.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    VERN = FUCKIN' MOTHERFUCKIN' PROFESSIONAL

    by Al Swearengen

    Huzzah!<P>You, sir, get half price off all the booze and cunt you can stomach at The Gem. Just tell them whores I said it's alright.

  • April 8, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Danny Glover's Moonblood

    by Ebolarama

  • April 8, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' TedKordLives

    by Al Swearengen

    If that cocksucker, Danny, is your idea of a fuckin' hero, then I got a mind to think that you're into specialty acts. Do you enjoy greasing up and grabbing ankle for that hooplehead?

  • April 8, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Still no rating on MPAA website

    by decypher44

    Does it usually take a while?

  • April 8, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

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  • April 8, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Al...

    by TedKordLives

    I was being quasi-facetious, and quoting 'Ferris Bueller'. I admire his balls-outedness, and share some of the same viewpoints. Like the fact that T2 is massively overrated. If it's any consolation, cocksucker, I dig you're style too.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    John Conner's age?

    by hollywoodsummers

    If we assume that John Conner was born in 1985, the year after the release of the 1st film, then in Salvation (2018) he would be 33, which would fit Bale's age close enough. But if that's the case then what year does T2 take place? If it takes place in the year 1991 (the films release) then John would only be 6, when he is clearly closer to 14 or 15. But if that's the case then that would put T2 past the supposed 1st Judgment Day which was August 29th 1997. Also if he was born in 1985, then in 2003 when T3 was released he would be 18, though I'm pretty sure in that film he's described as in his 20's already. So I guess my question is, knowing that T4 takes place in 2018, then what year does each of the first 3 films take place and is there a total fuck up in the age John Conner is suppose to be in each. Anyone have an answer?

  • April 8, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Hollywoodsummers

    by TedKordLives

    Dude, it's a movie series about time traveling killer robots.I daresay at this point we can dispense with reason and logic.

  • April 8, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives

    by hollywoodsummers

    Yeah, I figured as much, just wondered if someone in geek land had dedicated more time than I'm willing to figure out a logical answer and explain it to me. The truth most likely is the filmmakers were too busy blowing shit up to do the math. Fuck it.

  • April 8, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah.

    by TedKordLives

    Good point, tho. I hadn't really considered the timeline. And hasn't the tv show totally fucked the whole thing, if you count that? I heard someone on here say that. Actually, the new Empire magazine has the whole timeline charted out. It's pretty neat. It may be on their website.

  • April 8, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' TedKordLives

    by Al Swearengen

    If you're offerin' consolation in an attempt to appeal to my vanity then, by all means, fluff away.

  • April 8, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    PG-13 (WTF)

    by Bignegro

    News of this sissy rating just made my penis soft! How can you have the word TERMINATOR in the title of a PG-13 rated moved? P.S. Im still gonna see it opening week!

  • April 8, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Al

    by TedKordLives

    That's just the kinda guy I am. I can't have someone walkin' around, all dah da da da da, thinking of me unkindly. I'm the Blue Goddamn Beetle, after all. <P> Also, "This is not the stuffed crust my mother warned me about." These Pizza Hut/Terminator jokes are cracking myself up. I could do this all day. <P> Actually,I know I'm going to do this all day, so buckle up kids!

  • April 8, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    bottombrick and other dolts

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    Ok have any of you even watched T2? John DID NOT reprogram the T800 to not kill people before he sent him back. He doesn't kill anyone in the bar because John's safety is priority and the T1000 had already arrived, not because he was programmed to just wound them. Anyone else remember the scene when the 2 "Jock-Douchebags" tried to help John and he stops the T800 from killing them? THATS when he knows not to kill. <P> God pay attention you ADD fucks.

  • April 8, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Shogun_gunslinger

    by TedKordLives

    It was just a theory. Due to the nature of time travel, old John would know that he orders the T800 not to kill. So why wouldn't he do it before he sent it back and just let his younger self think he did it? Couldn't that be even a possibility?

  • April 8, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    ted

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i really doubt it since he comes within inches of shooting one of the guys in the face. Plus the dialogue: <br> John: You can't just go around killing people! <P> T800: Why not? I'm a Terminator <P> Case closed :D

  • April 8, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    What year does T2 take place?

    by hollywoodsummers

    Some dates are made explicit: - The Future War sequence takes place in 2029. - Skynet becomes self-aware at 2:14am EDT August 29, 1997 (this is a Friday). - John Connor's DOB is February 28, 1985, and he is 10 years old in the movie (these facts are stated in the T2 script). - According to "The Terminator" script, Sarah was 19. Sarah is 29 in T2. Therefore, most of T2 must take place in the summer of 1995.

  • April 8, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    In the words of McG-

    by TedKordLives

    'Fair enough'. You know, pre-Balerant I used that phrase quite a bit. Now, I fucking trash myself every time I say it. I'm trying to train myself not to say it, but it's tough.

  • April 8, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    hollywoodsummers

    by Droid

    The dates changed between 2 and 3 by the crafty explanation along the lines of "you only delayed the inevitable". Which kind of goes against the first two themes of "fate is what we make for ourselves". <p>Essentially by blowing up cyberdyne in T2 they delayed Judgement Day and then the military took over the Skynet project. Or something like that. So the original JD was 1997, then got delayed until about 2004. <p>2029 is the date when Skynet sends back the terminators from T1 and T2. Presumably why Kyle Reese looks 12 years old in the trailers for T4 which is set in 2018. Somewhere between the timeline of 2018 and 2029 the machines must invent time travel. <p>Except Doc Brown already did that in 1985. <p>Okay, I'm confused.

  • April 8, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Pizza Hut delivery driver trashed my breadsticks

    by Ebolarama

    He was a nice guy, but that don't fuckin' cut it when you're fucking around like that on my order

  • April 8, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    'I wanted a two-liter of pepsi, not coke!"

    by TedKordLives

    WHAT DONCHU FUCKIN UNDERSTAND?

  • April 8, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Hmmm....

    by TedKordLives

    What kind of soda does the Lord Bale enjoy? Any ideas, folks?

  • April 8, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    What do you folks think about this?

    by smitme

    Lets see Mcg directing....hmmmm sounds like it will be as much fun a eating a shxt sandwich in the desert

  • April 8, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Bale drinks Red Bull and Cola

    by Ebolarama

    It gives him wings

  • April 8, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Idiots, contrarians, shit-stirrers, and the just generally dumb.

    by TurdontheRun

    You are not professionals, you are laughable fuckers!<P> What we've learned: Scorsese is a hack. Cameron is a hack, and on the level of McG. PG-13 for a Terminator doesn't matter. Die Hard is inferior to the Bourne films. T2 is the worst action movie EVAAA! Anything to add?<p>Shotgunslinger - you hit the nail on the head. It's no wonder some of these fucks think T2 is over-rated if they can't even follow the story properly. The Terminator was never programmed not to kill in the future - did you just miss him trying to blow the head off that dude in the parking lot? There is a very good thematic reason why the terminator is not shown to kill anyone in the bar - not because he can't, but because the film is set up so that if you didn't know anything about it, you'd think Arnie was again the killer, and the T-1000 the human protector, until the big reveal in the shopping mall. Do you think they could show terminator ripping out a guy's guts just for the sake of it without tipping the hand, and then ask us to empathize with this character later? Same story with the T-1000; he knifes that cop at the beginning, but it's filmed so it just looks like he gutpunched him and knocked him out, thus keeping his status as inhuman and the bad guy hidden. And T2 was never watered down so Arnie could chase a future political career or become family friendly - in fact, he opposed the idea at first, thinking 'people want to see me terminate, that's what I do', but cameron convinced him otherwise. incidentally cameron talked about making arnold a 'good' terminator back in 80's interviews; it was always his idea for the sequel (and a genius one). Some of you cunts need to start studying story craft or some general research, but that would be too much like common sense, wouldn't it? Like I said, you are not motherfucking professionals. Bale knows it, I know it, you know it.<P>TedKordLives - if Mr. Dickblood is your idea of a hero, then I pity you. You are welcome to him. Pay him a visit, you can find him in the nearest trailer park. I'm sure he'll get the vaseline glove out just for you and fist you over and over, much to your pleasure, while he screams out bellicose adolescent obscenities!

  • April 8, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    After seeing Watchmen and Wolverine..

    by Dancingforever

    and with the news of a neutered terminator, this must be the year where almost every big hope type movie fails. Some of me thinks Hollywood has completely given up on quality of films and looks only for one big weekend and then DvD sales. If the recent trend of movies has taught us anything, thank god for the internet and the ability to see these films for free.

  • April 8, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I'll take pity.

    by TedKordLives

    I have no shame. <P> Ebolarama, you can do better. I thought it was common knowledge that Red Bull is actually Bale's piss. It was going to be called Red Bale, but Bale had it changed out of modesty.

  • April 8, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    COCKNASTY...THANKS...I THINK

    by southafricanguy

    TEKLORD, i dont know why danny is your hero, maybe becos he shares the same opinion as you, though im not sure how that makes you equate his obnoxious, nonsensical bullshit as ballsy. So now just making outrageous statements without ever backing them up with substance, and never being able to come back with any kind of reasoned or logical argument (with Danny you useally just get personal insults if you challenge anything he says, and dont offer anything quantifiable to him as evidence of anything otherwise you will really send him into a fit of rage) is ballsy? Sorry teklord, i really mean no offence, but you have a strange definition of ballsy...

  • April 8, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    You have Turd in your TB name.

    by TedKordLives

    Like I would give two shits about what you think. Also, I think you need to backtrack and read the whole TB. You seem to be missing something, RunnyTurd.

  • April 8, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    ha!

    by TurdontheRun

    "You have Turd in your TB name. Like I would give two SHITS about what you think." A nice, though probably unintentional, pun. I might be a turd, but you, dannyglover, unapatowzed, laserpants, prossor, et al. are the ones who need to be flushed straight down the shitter. Leave this to the fucking professionals, asshole! Heavo Ho, and away down the u-bend ye go!<p>I seem to be missing something? no...not really, pal. I got it all. guys like dickblood say things out of a need for attention - they are drama queens and bed-wetters. nothing to do with 'ballsiness'. As for T2, I'm sure a guy who can't even follow the narrative (and thinks terminator was programmed in the future not to kill ) is really qualified to make a statement, eh? If there were any points that even remotely challenged anything I, SouthAfricanGuy, Vern, Shotgun, Kwis, or anyone else said, I'd be sure to give them the time of day. Right now, you other dudes are only good for entertainment, like shooting fish in a barrel!

  • April 8, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    and for all those worried about how serious

    by southafricanguy

    its all taken, please dont worry, becos heres the funny thing, i completely agree with Danny that this whole argument about the rating is ridiculous (though its impossible to have an actual debate with Danny becos he's too busy grandstanding and playing to his small asshole audiance in the talkbacks), a movie is either godd or its bad. T4 wont be good or bad depending on the rating. And again for everybody that cant read, I, and many others here, dont care if you dont like T2, ok? Its about simply asking for some rational and logic to be placed behind your argument, as opposed to just trolling by making absurd statements that have no basis in reality. Such as an obvious lack of understanding what the 'hack' actually means. Or calling Scorsese or Cameron hack directors. Its cool if you dont like thier movies, but please stop making yourself look like an idiot, because if you cant tell the difference between them and the members of the hack pack, or the differences in how they shoot scenes or action etc..then you really should nt be so opinionated. There are few things that make someone look really stupid than when they clearly dont know what the fuck they are talking about. Such as equating Cameron with Bay (again before i get attacked for being a cunt, its great if you dont like Cameron's movies, but its like saying a dog and a cat are the same thing)and it displays just such a profound lack of an understanding of what makes any director different from another that it beggers belief...

  • April 8, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    It was just a theory.

    by TedKordLives

    Dear God Above I Love This Place! I could not have more fun with a tabletop covered in White Vader. <P> Seriously, tho, why didn't the T800 kill those guys for their clothes? It would have been faster than 'roughing them up'?

  • April 8, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    TURDONTHERUN......DUDE, YOU JUST

    by southafricanguy

    cant expect anything approaching sense from these guys. Btw you made me laugh out loud with that comment about danny in the trailer park fisting tekord. Like you im still waiting for any of them to come back with something resembling an actual argument, as opposed to their usal infantile name calling, and attacking anyone that does nt applaud thier attention seeking antics. It really is like trying to have a discussion with 7 year olds...

  • April 8, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    except that 7 year olds are more civil and

    by southafricanguy

    mannered

  • April 8, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Wow.

    by TedKordLives

    I don't think I'm being uncivil. I was merely trying to explain a logical goof in your beloved T2. <P> Just so we're all on the same page, no one's really taking any of this seriously, right? If you know the Blue Beetle at all, you know that he lives to make bad jokes and goof around. That's all I'm doing. <P> I still think T1 totally owns the series,tho. AND I loved T3 for the epic chase and the awesome displays of superhuman strength. That bathroom fight? Fucking Badass.

  • April 8, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Also,

    by TedKordLives

    C'mon. He called me a motherfucking PROFESSIONAL. And he was there for the fucking thing. Considering that I now divide my life into pre-rant and post, that kinda means something. I was just throwing the guy a bone. <P> <P> And quoting 'Ferris Bueller'.

  • April 8, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Cinemajerk

    by stupidmop

    Sorry but I know this is kinda late but it isn't "yipee kiyay mother turkey" but "yipee kiyay mister falcon" when they show die hard on tv, which i think is the funniest line ever. Vern is right on two points; T1 and T2 would never be rated PG-13 expecially because of the language, and Danny truly is a dick...'nuff said

  • April 8, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST

    and another thing

    by stupidmop

    i just wrote expecially...epic fail

  • April 8, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Tedkord...dont worry dude, no its not really

    by southafricanguy

    being taken seriously, thats just it....we just want to debate film dude, and lively debate too. Just asking for everyone to show a little respect to each other maybe? And to not have to deal with obnoxious attention seekers..

  • April 8, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Hey

    by TedKordLives

    He called me out. I don't want to be responsible for some dude's ulcer or high blood pressure giving him a stroke. I only do this shit to kill time at work. It's great! Now lets make with the Pizza Hut/Terminator jokes!

  • April 8, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    It would be funny...

    by TedKordLives

    ...if we actually knew each other and were friends in 'real life'. I wonder if that's ever happened?

  • April 8, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    I'm not walking-

    by TedKordLives

    he's the one that needs to STOP walking!

  • April 8, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Whatevs

    by hallowscorp

    I'll reserve final judgment for when it screens. What do these ratings actually mean anyways? Or are they just saving stuff for the "unrated director's ct" dvd? Pfft. Meh.

  • April 8, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    this whole room needs a big round of BITCH....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....except Ted of course.

  • April 8, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Well thanks buddy...

    by TedKordLives

    I feel like I won that round. Without resorting to base insults. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Man, fuck those haters. Fucking AMATEURS!

  • April 8, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    So...

    by TedKordLives

    What kind of soda DOES High Lord Bale drink?

  • April 8, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    T-800 Isn't a killer in T2

    by bottombrick

    I think you haven't put much thought into your argument that the T-800 is a killer up until young John teaches him not to be. Aside from the fact that he never kills anyone, and therefore is by definition not a killer, I could see where you might get confused because you think he was going to terminate the jock douche but you are like a child repeatedly trying to slap the terminator a low five only to have the mechanical hand pulled out from under you over and over again. The terminators are not some random malevolent force that we happened to come across, they like all technology are a direct extension of the human. The things we make have us in them, they are imbued with our psychosis at creation - when those kids are playing with their guns and John remarks that we probably aren't going to make it and the terminator says it is in our nature to destroy ourselves this is a direct reflection that Skynet is us destroying ourselves. Now, if you don't have the ability to read between the lines or comprehend a story, than understand that people are quoting Cameron directly when they say the T-800 was a good guy from the start, an inversion from the first movie by design, and in the movie the terminator says he was reprogrammed and sent back by John Connor. The T-800 is already an extension of John Connor and the human capacity for Good, just like the T-1000 is an extension of our capacity to annihilate ourselves. You see the scene where John pushes the gun from out of the jock douch's face and all you can see is the surface level, John exerting his humanity over the terminator and teaching him to be human, but John has already before sending the terminator back exerted himself over it, and as complex as the terminator may appear it is contained in a program put in it by John Connor, who has already lived through his experience with the terminator - who already made Reese memorize things to say to his mother that he learned from her and she from him. Like a dog that is only as vicious as the master who beats it, the terminator is a learning machine that is imbued twice with the spirit of John Connor, once in the future and once during the movie that is shown on-screen. Although it is only a theory that the terminator would not have shot the jock, it is a stronger theory with a deeper understanding of the story than the theory your weak mind and meager comprehension can offer in it's place.

  • April 8, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    In case that is tl;dr

    by bottombrick

    The truth of whether or not the terminator would have shot the jock douche bag can only be found in Cameron's intentions and in a careful reading of the story itself, neither of which you have a very good grasp of.

  • April 8, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    PG-13 TERMINATOR THAT'S LIKE TITS ON A BULL

    by ddubs

    Cameron would be pissed. Hollywood needs to stop raping my childhood.

  • April 8, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Oh God another PG13 movie that should be R..

    by Supermans

    What the hell is wrong with Hollywood..They are sissies.... Where is the cursing Christian Bale who yells at his hairdresser for waling in front of him during a scene?? Throw that in the film and you got a movie..

  • April 9, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Disagree on the PG-13 Arnold in T2

    by theplant

    The only reason they don't show arnold killing people at the beginning is that it would clash with what they are doing with the character after, it's all there written in plain type in the T2 screenplay book in the annotations. It's a PG-13 cop off. How fantastic T2 is, it's bogged down, and always was, by the preaching Cameron rams down our throats and minds re the Terminator Tin Man Humanity. "I now why you cwy !" Balls ! The idea of making Arnold the good guy is good, but to make him promise not to kill anyone is cutting off the original movie character balls. The original didn't succeed because people loved arnie smashing thru walls and destroying liquid machines vendors. It succeeded because Arnie killed off a whole cop precinct, after crashing his car into it ! Because Arnie gut punched the stupid punk ! because he shot the armory clerk with his own shotgun ! The original was the best, untainted. Arnie in T2 and T3 is just a muppet destroying private properties and machines, PG 13 fare. It's time reevaluate T2 as the moral drivel that it is, only saved by the nuclear dream scene and the action. Hell, Cameron put a future coda ending where everything was neatly resolved, negating the whole original movie ! Carolco had to fight him to get it cut, and he got his revenge by hiding this cut on the DVD ! Guy, listen and understand, True Lies is what T2 should have been. Arnie actually killing movie villains !

  • April 9, 2009, 2:10 a.m. CST

    BAD ECONOMY = MORE PG-13

    by CENOBITE

    this might not be the end of the ratings 'downsizing'. Expect more to come. :(

  • April 9, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    THE PLANT.....WELL I CAN SEE YOUR

    by southafricanguy

    point of view dude, for you the first set a particular template that established arnie as a completely ruthless killing machine, and so i guess you see what T2 did with him as some kind of watering down. For me personally the change/inversion of the character is what I like and what makes T2 an actual sequal as opposed to just a remake of the first, same reason I think Aliens and ESB are two of the greatest sequals, same universe, same characters but totally different movies. Its also why i like casino royale for finally breaking the mold (to a degree) of the Bond franchise which had become just the same thing over and over again. As for the moral coda in T2 i dont think its that over board personally, and its what good sci-fi does, deal with moral/political/sociological issues by useing speculative fiction to say something about said issues. T1 and T2 were products of the 80s, and obviously nuclear war was always a big issue then. I also like the change in T2 because its part of Cameron's ongoing themes in all his movies (any director with a distinct voice has particular themes that they constantly address) that of technologys dual potential to either destroy us or save us (which for me is really interesting thematic content). And thats part of the point of the inversion of the T-800 in T2. The symbol of mankinds destruction from the first movie becomes its salvation in the second.

  • April 9, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST

    And then there is always the religious

    by southafricanguy

    symbolism of the terminator movies, mankinds saviour in the future has the initials JC. I dont know, for me if a movie can be entertaining, have great action and fx, then im fine with it having some kind of moral code, as long as said moral code is nt offensive. For example star trek 4 could be called quite preachy, but it was really entertaining, and its moral code was good (how can you be angry about promoting the protection of whales?). And same with T2, whats wrong with its moral code? Nuclear war is really bad, is that offensive to anyone?

  • April 9, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST

    T3

    by imagin78

    This is the main problem with T3. It is actually not a terrible film. The crane chase is exciting and the bathroom fight is balls-out. However, while you are watching it, there is a heavy sense of deja vu. Until the ending, nothing new is really introduced to the mythology. It could have been the prologue to the the next actual chapter. Cameron always trys to move the story to someplace else. This is why he ingeniously put Rambo into Vietnam. The Future War is the next logical step for the franchise and that alone gives me some hope for Salvation. Nevertheless, McG helming it with the core writers from T3 and a PG-13 rating, make me apprehensive.

  • April 9, 2009, 2:59 a.m. CST

    IMAGIN78....T4 HAS BEEN WRITTEN BY

    by southafricanguy

    The same guys as t3? ahh crap! Now im not sure about it. T3 is really just ok. As others have said there was some decent action but the whole movie is just narrative water treading, You are so right imagin78 it really does nt move the story anywhere..until the very end (which is the only really good moment of the film for me). The next logical step has always been the future war, its where T3 should have gone...

  • April 9, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Thats exactly why i dont own T3 (aside from

    by southafricanguy

    it not being all that great) i dont need to own it, you can have T1 and T2 and then i guess Salvation, and nothings missing..

  • April 9, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Nolan and Haggis.

    by imagin78

    Yeah, the main script for T4 was written by John D Brancato and Michael Ferris who, of course, wrote T3. The only saving grace is that Paul Haggis and Jonathan Nolan have punched up the script. Apparently, Bale didn't care for the original script and asked for Haggis and Nolan to fix it. Bale's participation is my one hope that this film will be better than T3 and not Transformers 1.5.

  • April 9, 2009, 3:47 a.m. CST

    ok..thanks imagin78, good to know. Agree

    by southafricanguy

    with you there, Bale's participation is the thing that gives me the most hope for this too

  • April 9, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    oh and imagin78...so agree with you about

    by southafricanguy

    rambo 2, it was damn clever to send him back to Vietnam in the sequal. For me thats why no-one knows how to do sequals like Cameron, he really makes sequals, different movies that just happen to have the same characters and are set in the same universe. Even though Rambo 2 was heavily rewritten by Stallone. I would really love to read Cameron's Rambo 2 script, im curious how much of his ideas are in there. Do you know imagin78? Is the script available?

  • April 9, 2009, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Haven't seen it.

    by imagin78

    I'd love to read it as well. The special editions of Rambo II don't have them and I am unaware of it's location. From what I hear, the dialogue is what Stallone mostly rewrote. The setting and basic plot are Cameron's. I know for sure that the Hind helicopter climax is all Cameron.

  • April 9, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    thanks dude, would really love to read

    by southafricanguy

    Cameron's planet of the apes remake script or his fantastic voyage remake script, how about you?

  • April 9, 2009, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Damn straight.

    by imagin78

    I still haven't read his Spider-man script. I can only dream what Cameron's version of Apes could have been. I like Tim Burton as a director, but his version of POTA is easily his worst film.

  • April 9, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    yeah agree about burton, i also like him but

    by southafricanguy

    his pota was terrible. And we can only dream how Stan winston (R.I.P) would have brought the apes to life (no offence against Baker, his stuff was the best thing about burton's movie) but Cameron and Winston just always produced magic together.

  • April 9, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    why have nt you read his spiderman

    by southafricanguy

    scriptment dude? you really should, leaves you really dreaming about how great a spidey film he could have made (even though I like Raimi's). Cameron's would have been more adult in tone, Spidey fucks Mary Jane at the top of a skyscraper with his mask on when she still does nt know who he is lol...just a little bit more racy than the upside down kiss...

  • April 9, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Just haven't got around to it.

    by imagin78

    The thing I like most about Cameron's version is that he dispenses with the origin story. I am not really a fan of origins for characters. Cameron likes instantly putting you into a world and gradually revealing it from within. The Abyss is a great example of that.

  • April 9, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Yeah i know what you mean, and thats why

    by southafricanguy

    im excited about Avatar being a trilogy imagin78, can you imagine three sci-fi space epics that have the same characters but are all completely different movies? The next few years could bring us some seriously classic sci-fi...

  • April 9, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST

    December can't come fast enough.

    by imagin78

    The return of Jim to feature directing is enough to get me excited even if it was his diving film instead of a sci-fi epic. I doubt that if McG disappeared for a decade and returned, we would have the same reaction. With that, I am off to the rat race. Take care of yourself southafricanguy and see you around.

  • April 9, 2009, 4:48 a.m. CST

    ok cool dude..you too. I guess it must be

    by southafricanguy

    morning in your part of the world, where are you from anyway? Im South African (no shit) but i live in Korea.

  • April 9, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Rambo 2 script by Cameron available

    by theplant

    Just browse the script database google it, this script kicks over Stallone bullshit sequel arse. It's actually more closer to last year Rambo than to Rambo 2. There's also a lot of Predator in it.

  • April 9, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST

    wow...thanks theplant, will look for it, thanks

    by southafricanguy

    for the info..

  • April 9, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Rambo 2 Cameron draft

    by TurdontheRun

    You can read this online - go to simplyscripts.com, and find it there. It is indeed superior to the final film - much of the basic plot and action sequences are the same, but there is a lot of psychological stuff that was cut out, much more in line with the character in first blood, and actually like Ripley in Aliens, which Cameron was writing at the same time - a traumatized individual going back to face their demons. Also, Cameron's technology themes are present in this draft of the script - he has a partner named Brewer, who uses all the high tech gear - nightscopes, headphones, state of the art weaponry, contrasted with Rambo's use of simple weaponry and jungle smarts. Also, none of the right wing jingoistic stuff - do we get to win this time, etc. - is present in Cameron's script. it's interesting to see action scenes that he later reworked, like rambo swimming under a lake of napalm fire (true lies). the script has much better characterisation as well - in the final film, those hostages barely had a line of dialogue; here they are all fleshed out characters. I don't think Cameron was ever going to direct this; he was busy with terminator and aliens at the time, but if he did it would have been fucking colossal. I like Rambo 2 fine as it is, but it is a little cheesy and nowhere near as good as first blood. cameron's version would have been epic. Actually, Avatar has alot of aspects of First Blood in it, of setting traps and using the jungle to outwit the enemy.

  • April 9, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Only one problem with us making the Terminators...

    by Darth Macchio

    We didn't. Nobody did or, at least, it is not revealed who made them. It's one of the primary paradoxes (no, not the same thing as plot hole) in the movie...the Terminator, skynet, Cyberdyne, etc, all developed and advanced through the discovery of the cpu and T-800 arm from the first movie. At no time in any of the movies did a human being invent the terminator based technology. I love that!<p>Perhaps, like a Doc Brown alternate time-line (and taking a non-linear and non-singular temporal existence stance for the sake of discussion), human creators existed but in the "current" time-line portrayed in the movie franchise, no human being invented any of the Skynet tech, it was all developed and elaborated from the discovery and subsequent reverse engineering of the remains of the the T-800 in the first movie. Hnce the reason Sarah tried to destroy Cyberdyne of course and her reaction in T2 when the 2nd 800 is telling her about Cyberdyne and Miles Dyson, etc.<p>Oh and yours truly was probably one of a handful of people in the world (country, whatever) that DIDN'T know that Arnie was the good guy and the 1000 was the bad guy prior to seeing the movie. I purposefully skipped all spoilers, trailers, info, news, etc..anything remotely related to T2 and the big early "reveal". And it has since been the BEST way to see highly anticipated movies! (it made the movie better than it would have been had I known, I think).<p>Which is why I think the T-800 was not necessarily re-programmed to not kill people. The best evidence is the logic in the film itself...when the 800 goes to shoot the jock douchebag guy and Conner (Furlong) stops him. Perhaps the reason he didn't kill anyone in the bar scene was because he just didn't. No specific reason other than what was easy or most efficient to getting the immediate task at hand accomplished. I agree that it's more something you supposed to "ignore" as it creates the storyline reveal of killer being protector and "protector" being the killer. But then the evidence against the T2 800 being programmed not to kill is why he gets into a debate about killing with the young Conner. Why would he do that if the future Conner programmed him not to kill? Why would he keep asking "Why?" when Conner says you just can't kill people.<p>But, if Cameron were true to the story, he'd have made Arnie kill the guy who stabbed him in the biker bar at the very least and probably snap the spine of the guy who hit him with the pool cue. But that would mean people would have to accept him later and most people can't accept overt good and overt bad in the same person without blowing a fuse or at least drooling on themselves.

  • April 9, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Bottombrick

    by TedKordLives

    Thank you for putting my theory so eloquently. I'm sitting here at work, having a half-baked epiphany, and you're over there all dah da da da, framing the arguement like a philosophy professor. Hat's off to you pal. <P> Until we invariably disagree on something and try to rip each other's throats out.

  • April 9, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Thanks turdontherun, it sounds quite cool will

    by southafricanguy

    have to go find that post haste...

  • April 12, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Would you all just calm down.

    by Wolfblitzer

    Seriously guys. If you read Quint's interview with McG you would know that the film was made without a rating in mind. They were completely focused on making a good movie with a good plot. Plus they've said that there is a topless Moon Bloodgood scene that no matter what is not going to be removed because it is important to the story

  • April 24, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Hey Wolf...

    by RetroActive

    Not to discount Qunt, but theory and pratice are two different animals. If it's PG-13, boobs are out. This isn't After School with Rodney Dangerfield. McG has said a lot of things. the bottom line is, he doesn't have enough creative influence to tell the studio that his film is ratings bulletproof. He has no say. Studio wins, and this movie, despite all the hype...could be terrible. The fact that John Connor makes a silly statement like, "Humans have a strength that cannot be measured", makes me nervous. We'll see... The desperation of essentially abandoning any mystery in the ads (eg. **SPOILER**) is always a reason to rouse suspicions,

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