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Is A Remake OK If The Guy Who Made The Original Film Is The Person Remaking It??
Merrick here...
We all know there are far too many remakes in the pipeline these days - and most of us aren't particularly happy with "the system's" lack of originality when we know there are many original projects being turned down in the name of reviving safe, pre-established, easily marketable fare.
But...does that equation change at all when a remake is actually being mounted by the person who made the original film? I guess that would depend on the project...
Donald Wrye is remaking his own movie - ICE CASTLES (HERE
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Wrye's 1978 original starred Lynn-Holly Johnson (who played, well, an ice skater in FOR YOUR EYES ONLY) & dealt with a figure skater whose life is turned upside down when she loses her sight...and how she continues to skate despite her damaged vision. The film's Marvin Hamlisch/Carol Bayer Sager/Melissa Manchester theme song nabbed an Oscar nomination & subsequently became a muzak favorite...
Re: the new version...
Figure skater Taylor Firth will play the starring role..;
...says THIS snippet in Hollywood Reporter.
Based on past Talkbacks, Donaly Wrye's name may be recognized by many Geeks as the writer/director of the controversial ABC miniseries AMERIKA - which chronicled life in the United States ten years after a Soviet takeover. I'd rather see that revisited, but I guess we can't have everything...
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That's one of the only ways I approve of a remake. The other is if it is handled by someone with deep love and respect for the original- see Cronenberg, Carpenter, Jackson, etc.
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Why the fuck not?
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The remake was shite.
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The Vanishing, Kiefer n' Mumbly Jeff Bridge version, was awful. As for this film, who the fuck cares?
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He evolved since the tv show, but chose to update it in his own manner.
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Does the public really demand an update of it becaused on the success of Ice Princess and The Eye?
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Because that was pretty much as bad as this bullshit ice-skating movie sounds. Or does it not count because it's a sequel to a remake rather than the remake of a sequel?
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Greedo Shot first...need we say more?!
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who gives a shit about whose remaking it. Martin Scorsese could be doing the remake, its still about a blind figure skater.
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It's a little movie called Highlander. I really think that a remake could help out that movie especially with how cooler sword fights have become in movies.
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So the answer would be "No."
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You could have Christopher Lambert play Ramirez so he would still have a hand in the movie! Plus Mr. Krabs could still be the Kurgan if he wanted to because he is still pretty big! It would be awesome!
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no one watched or heard of the movie the 1st time...why do it again???
AIC BORING NEWS...good god..ice skating now????
Triple Lutz Yawn here...
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proves that revisitation of the same material by the same director can be brilliant. That being said, I'd rather have my toenails ripped out with pliars than watch a remake of Ice Castles, but I feel the same way about the original.
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horseshit.
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A remake of ICE CASTLES??? Seriously?!!? That's it, then. We are truly living in the Last Days. What's next, a remake of ZAPPED?
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well, Evil Dead 2 is pretty much a remake of part one...but with more laughs and chainsaws, right?
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They need to do a dark toned lord of the rings style live action version of the late seventies cartoon "the Flight of Dragons". It would be awesome. If youve seen it youll no what i mean. James earl jones,john ritter and Harry morgan provided voices for the englush dub.
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Apr 06, 2009 12:09:11 PM CDT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by awkwardavenue
Because everyone in hollywood must STOP. Anything that sucks that is not a remake is good now. BECAUSE ITS NOT A FUCKING REMAKE.
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God this hollywood and site sucks.
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I remember watching this movie as a kid and liking it. I think it would be great to see updated into the modern day when we seem less tolerant of people with disabilities than we were back then. I don't know why AICN is talking about this though because it is NOT the kind of movie that 99% of the people here would be interested in, but for the 1% like me, it's fantastic!
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What's the point?
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And replace it with "rerake," as in re-rake in more of the moneyz!
I'm with you on a rerake of Amerika, though. Great idea, very shlocky execution. And if the crappy sounding rerake of Edge of Darkness actually pulls in a profit, I wouldn't be surprised if this actually happened. 'cept they'd have to replace the Soviets with the Chinese. -
What the fuck? What.The.Fuck.
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...to remake his own movies: George Lucas. Wokka wokka.
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i love this site but where is all the "cool" news?
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The original Man Who Knew Too Much was far more imaginatively shot and more atmospheric. Plus it didn't have the frankly annoying Doris Day belting out Que Sera, Sera for no reason in particular.
The American remake of Funny Games is only better if you have hardcore dyslexia and can't read. -
An X-rated, "Heavy Metal" version of a Flight of Dragons remake would be awesome, and by awesome I mean totally sweet. As a kid, istening to the lyrics of Don McLean's theme song for that cartoon taught me a lot about the effects of drugs.
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Roger Moore fucked her.
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it sucks! ice castles = cool news? really?
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Whore shark.
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People have been hoping for this for years. Now if we can get Hollywood to remake "Dutch" and "Dunston Checks In," we'll be set. I also have an idea for a 2hr movie about a piece of dog shit with notebook paper in it. The notebook paper will be CGI.
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Hollywood has run out of things to remake.Will they make MY idea of a blind drivers training instructor??
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...married some filthy rich investment guy and became a crazed right-wing fundamentalist.
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Just for allowing anything of his to be remade. Christ, he was the fucking co-producer of Rupert "WHATTHEFUCKISTHISSHIIIIT?!?" Wainwright's celluloid enema THE FOG. There is no fucking excuse, and John Carpenter needs to have all the pussy beat the fuck out of him before he goes and lets them remake ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK with someone other than Josh "Should be fucking SNAKE" Holloway, or remakes fucking BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA with fucking Zac Efron.
I don't care how great his old stuff was - and he is, let's face it, THE MASTER OF 80s HORROR - he let them remake THE FOG and HILLBILLYWEEN. Those happened on JC's watch. So, no matter how good the videogames, the fried chicken and that fucking bong are - if I ever meet John Carpenter in the street, I'm punching him in the gunt.
Of course, were I a multi-millionaire, I'd just pay him enough to keep him in fried chicken, weed and games forever, in return for the all the rights he holds to his own stuff (not much as I recall reading) so he can NOT LET SHITKICKING STUDIO COCKSUCKERS DUMB DOWN HIS CLASSICS FOR THE NEXT ADD DUMBFUCK GENERATION!!!
Yeah, I feel pretty strongly about this. -
The original didn't have Edward G Robinson playing a South Bronx Jew in the desert.
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...is this even on AICN? Why would anyone think we care about this item, or this kind of movie?
Just a slow news day, huh? -
seppukudkurosawa, show some respect, or I'll take that fucking Hanso off you and spank you with it. Doris Day was a GODESS. Bow, lowly dog, and recognise!
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"Where's your Messiah NOOOOWWW?"
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It's basiclly saying that the first time was shit and everyone involved wasted the effort. Which in the case of Ice Castles, they did.
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And yes, I know it's technically called Evil Dead II, but we all know it's a remake.
It WASN'T ok when Haneke redid Funny Games, since both versions sucked. -
Meta-hijinks ensue.
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Damn straight sir! Anyone dare to touch The Thing, and they'll pull away a bloodied stump.
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"There is so much more I would do if only I could get another crack at Ice Castles. It just doesn't meet the vision I had in my head." Kinda makes Lucas' constant tinkering with the OT seem normal by comparison.
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I'm still unsure of whether it's worth two hours of my life to see it. I'm in my late 30s now, I gotta make my movies count these days knowwhaddumsayin'?
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Imagine how much cooler the paint ball fights could be using today's technology!
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worked for Evil Dead 2, but then again, it was supposed to be bad.
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as Spiderman 2 & 3. Hero battles villian created by science/has relationship issues with girlfriend/saves girlfriend held hostage at end.
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So... yes.
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The dude that made the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA every flavour of awesome until that batshit insane (and not in a decent David Lynch way) finale is working on a sort-of prequel to THE THING, regarding what happened at the Norwegina station. One of the more fucking stoooooopid ideas was that one of the Norwegians was Macready's brother. Which doesn't even remotely explain why Macready never mentioned that fact ONCE in JC's superb 1982 remake.
Yup, lightning only strikes onxce with RDM - this movie stinks like melting shit on a very hot day. -
Apr 06, 2009 12:54:54 PM CDT
Merrick, does your 15 year old son give a damn about this?
by leafar the lost
Really, who gives a flying fuck if some guy is remaking Icecastles? My God, does Harry give you guys a article quota or something? How many shitty articles do you have to come up with in a week?
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Funny Games was a successful example of this at work. Of course it was shot for shot.
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I can say without a doubt that there are things in films I have done that part of me would love to go back and 'do right.' But life usually doesn't let us do this. Other projects come along and things get pushed to the side, and eventually you just say "Oh well" and forget about it. But, if the opportunity DID come along, I would definitely go back and redo some things.
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You know, The Assassination Game. The one where they play paintballs on campus, the winner every year finally gets eliminated, goes nuts, and starts to kill the others with real bullets.
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I think that was the arcade game where the little bear picks up coins in a 3-D landscape, avoiding goblins, witches, and carnivorous trees.
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I'm actually liking SUPERNATURAL more and more. If they HAVE to ass-rape my favourite JC movie, I think The Ackles has the requisite level of blowhardiness to make it work. Plus I'd love to see who they'd cast as Wang-Chi. John fucking Cho!
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Hopefully an emo version of "Through The Eyes Of Love" is in the works.
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And the whole thing is shot from the side, 2D-style, like the corridor scene from OLDBOY but for about 85 minutes. Get the OLDBOY director to do it, but remind him it's going to be PG...
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Apr 06, 2009 1:11:48 PM CDT
surprised they didn't get try to get Shawn Johnson for the lead
by stevenscorsese
You've got strike while the iron is hot and nothing is hotter right now than Shawn Johnson, ice skating and crappy remakes! I just hope they find the right doucheyness quotient to fill Robbie Benson's shoes. Perhaps Toby Maguire, one of the Jonas Brothers or anyone involved with Twilight.
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...was the best game everrrr made...I loved when he would get hit and his armour would fall off and you were forced to fight giant exploding ameobas and avoid getting hit with lava throw up all while in your underoos.
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isn't Raimi doing another remake of EVil Dead?
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I agree, but just so you know, latest reports are that they completely scrapped that script treatment and are starting from scratch for "The Thing" sequel/prequel. Either way, as long as they don't go all ET on Carpenters movie, I don't give a shit.
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My favourite aspect of those games? That damned addictive theme tune! I was about 14 when I last played it, but I can STILL hear it in my head! AAAAARRRGHHHHH!!!
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Either you blew it the first time or you'll blow it the second time.
Also, if your career is healthy, you shouldn't have to keep going back to the same trough to get a job. Same genre is one thing, but same story? Not a good sign that you are at the height of your creative powers. -
...that I look like a young Rush Limbaugh
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Now THAT is Cool News! From what I read of that RDM reboot, it was as derivative and predictable as you'd imagine it to be. At least with a clean slate...
Ah, what am I saying? Now they'll make it Macready's son, and it'll be Shia LeFuckingBoeuf. Jeeeesus. -
A What's Up Tiger Lily reference? Nice name, sir.
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...That I look like the rabbit from that kid's book GUESS HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU.
Long stringy arms, long stringy legs, and a big fat rotund torso. I basically look like the really long-armed alien from CLOSE ENCOUNTERS with the torso of Johnny Vegas.
Ladies, get in the queue NOW. -
...That music was epic. The game was just so trippy bizarre though... And they wonder why 20 somethings are so strange... There really should be a new movement of film that feels like a super nintendo video game...
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I am really holding out for the R rated Alf Movie. Hey a great script, crap puppet, and lots of dead cats... It's coming!!!
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...a young karl hungus
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...when AICN runs an article on Ice Castles. Really weak man.
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Really with all things movies and given how behind the times this site can be, is this really a story that deserves any time and space? Possibly the worst scoop ever to grace this site. Blind Ice Skating movie WTF. Maybe get Taylor Hackford back for White Knights. Two rival studios rushing to release their movie first. One may have won an oscar, but White Knights Redux will have Lionel Richie again, this time with 50 cent, Say You, Say muthafucking me muthafucka! Gonna Ice Skate Like it your Birthday!
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But I thought she was gonna get smacked at 3:45. Great song. Can't wait to see this and all the leg-spreading spins.
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I look like a young Melissa Manchester.
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Was the Lifetime Channel needing two hours to fill?BTW, my idea for The Thing sequel would occur about 2 weeks after the original ended. A supply chopper flies to the outpost on its regular rounds and finds the charred remains of the building. Upon examination they find the frozen bodies of Mac and Childs. They take the bodies to a nearby hospital, in a small secluded Artic town. In the hospital, one of the bodies begin to thaw and mayhem ensues. One of The Things destroy the power, and the hospital is running on a limited reserve power generator. A snow storm prevents outside help, so the inhabitants are trapped inside the hospital, with a time limit imposed, and a duplicating alien...
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Talk about a sequel pissing all over the original..great gore and makeup effects though.
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a young John Merrick
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I look like a young Barack Obama.
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"Five Came Back" (1939) and "Back from Eternity" (1956) by John Farrow, father if Mia. Plane crashes in isolated jungle, with variety of characters on board, and headhunters/cannibals in the mix. The original B & W is my favorite, actually.
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...he was born a woman
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but seriously....ICE CASTLES?!?
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...that the audacity of hope was written by an 85 year old barack obama who traveled back in time and gave the manuscript to the young barack obama...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTyD_8hcmzA
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Remakes are for pussies. Hollywood sucks big balls.
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There's a name I haven't heard in a while. She started out big, then practically disappeared. Check out "The Watcher in the Woods" from that time period. Talk about a film being rethought to death. Check out the IMDb listing on its history - Disney didn't know what to do with it.
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Toe pick!!!!!
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is not going to let this feeling end.
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But then again that was Hitchcock... "The Man Who Knew Too Much". And both versions are really good.
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if it gets financed and a greenlight, it's okay.
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I think, though, that Haneke's FUNNY GAMES remake is underrated. For the king of remakes see the aforementioned Mr Carpenter. How many versions of RIO BRAVO has he made (not that there isn't some cool stuff in all of them...)? And Hitch's reworking of THE MAN WHO is simply sublime.
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It's not even P2P'd anywhere. Unbelievable. Are US audiences still afraid to watch it?
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Rescue Dawn, Evil Dead 2, Desperado
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That's all I'm asking for.
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The movie is called Ice Castles after all... Ba DUM bump!
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Fucking awesome movie - one of those genuine surprises. I saw it in 1992 when it first got released, back when I watched a movie at the cinema EVERY SUNDAY WITHOUT FAIL, and enjoyed it way more than I thought I would. Paul Michael Glaser is a great director, and both leads were just so likeable! Oh, and remaking this without Moira Kelly is just - is just --
It's like recasting Agent Scully, for God's sake. No Moira Kelly and DB Sweeney = NO CUTTING EDGE REMAKE!
Though they need to remake SPAWN right fucking NOW. Without DB Sweeney. And definitely no Michael Jai White. Keep the Leguizamo, though.
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But keep Eddie James olmos as the teacher. SO SAY WE ALL!!!
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And cast CHRISTIAN FUCKING BAAAAAAAAAAALE!!!
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Its been done and was called Blades Of Glory.
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Oh... wait....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jil1ynYVIDk
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The first movie is a fucking fantastic superhero movie that frankly deserved a LOT more respect than it got back in the day. Alec baldwin is actually great in it. Penelope Ann Miller - sexy, feisty. Tim Curry - there's always room for Tim Curry! Sir Ian McKellen as the brilliant kidnapped scientist! And John Lone is brilliant as the Shadow's nemesis, Shiwan Khan.
Trust me, fuckos. Netfilx THE SHADOW and tell me that shit wasn't under-rated! Awesome, awesome stuff. -
I liked DB Sweeney in Fire In The Sky - thought that was a great movie. Thanks for mentioning him, I need to Netflix that one too.
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Cuz I always follow a Professional's advice.
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...stand and deliver is the only movie that math teachers in high school don't feel guilty showing to their class...Fucking history teacher gets all the good movies...
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with, maybe, Charlie Sheen, as an undercover cop investigating a stolen car ring...kind of an early Fast & Furious..
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that someone is using my talkback name i've had since about 2003. it's like that time i noticed that other guy wearing the same legwarmers as i was at Prom in 1987.
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Apr 06, 2009 3:02:52 PM CDT
Only Nelson has the right words to soothe your pain Killdozer...
by drbrianoblivion
HA ha....
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Remake? http://digg.com/d1nrMA
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where the fuck am i?
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I just remember the attention to detail really scared the shit out of me - stuff like all the detritus of other humans, glasses etc, in the dusty corridors of the spacecraft as they wheel Sweeney through on the trolley. And the reaction he gives when he's found in that house - naked, screaming at everyone, hiding behind the tipped-up table. That movie still gives me chills to watch it, and it's mainly due to the powerhouse performance DB Sweeney gives. Damn good true-life case too - there's way too much investigation and research gone into the Travis Walton case for it to be dismissed out of hand...
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Not saying that you are, of course - but if you ARE that Professional BSB, what the hell happened? Did you get the Ban Hammer?
"I'm out of it for a little while, and everyone gets delusions of grandeur..."
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i saw FITS in the theater by myself when I was young and, though I was fascinated by it, it scared the crap out of me, too. DB Sweeny does a great job as travis. I've only seen it a handfull of times (mostly in snippets) since then, but what i have seen again still seemed to hold up well. One of the images that sticks in my mind is when the aliens are dragging him or wheeling him down that long hallway and one of them looks back at him with this creepy fuckin face that is something just short of a frown. Don't know why, but that always creeped me out. Did you ever see Communion with Christopher Walken? I saw it once, right around the same time as FITS, and that was all i could stand. I don't remember how well-made the movie itslef was, but I do remember one part where they nailed the suspense. Walken wakes up in bed in the middle of the night. He thinks he hears something or that someone is in the room with him. It's dead quiet. He sits up in bed, looks around. Sees nothing. He cautiously lays back in bed and that's when from right behind the bookshelf in front of him, one of the aliens leans out and looks at him. Creeped the shit out of me for years. I'd be lying if I said that to this day, whenever I get up in the middle of the night and look at a piece of furniture against a wall, it doesn't make me think of something poping out from behind it. Fuckin alien movies...haha
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If he hasn't seen FITS. BSB, weren't you the one who SOMEHOW hadn't seen Big Trouble In Little China a few months back? Please tell me Netflix has gotten it to you by now!
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Shawn Johnson is a figure skater. They should have gotten Tara Lapinski. Though personally I wish they would get Amanda Seyfried. I still won't watch this movie. -
Wasn't Evil Dead 2 kind of a remake of Evil Dead by Raimi..? That worked out ok?
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Cheers for that, now I won't sleep tonight! No, I read the book COMMUNION back in the 90s, but haven't gotten round to watching the movie. I heard there was a bit where Walken tries to teach the Greys to dance?!?
But yeah, alien movies freak me out! Except for SIGNS, which was all kinds of shite. One for you to look out for is ALIEN ABDUCTION: THE MACPHERSON TAPES, a kind of Blair Witch Close Encounters, where a family is terrorised by Greys for ages and decides to leave video cameras all over their ranch. Coincidentally, this is on a night when they have a LOT of activity...
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It's not wrong for a director to remake his own movie, but, like with Funny Games, it's kind of redundant. I mean, I love both Funny Games movies, but they don't both really need to exist.
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If not now, when?
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Well, this oughta shut everyone up who's been begging for this all these years. Now when are they gonna remake HARD TO HOLD?
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Try Fire in the Sky. Seems like a semi-suspenseful drama for the first hour or so but then the movie flashes back to Walton Travis' abduction and it's "pants, meet shit" time. Brutal, creepy-ass stuff, right there.
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Bit torrent is your friend.
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Welcome to the party, pal! We've been discussing FITS and yes, the flashbacks to the actual abduction seem to be the bits where we all shit ourselves watching this movie. It's amazing how well this movie holds up - and how great the cast is too. DB SWEENEY, ROBERT PATRICK, CRAIG SHEFFER, PETER BERG, HENRY THOMAS, JAMES GARNER... that's not a bad cast for a TV alien movie. (That got the big-screen treatment, heh heh ;D)
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I think if George Lucas decided to remake the original Star Wars trilogy (a move that isn't outside the realm of possibility) most fans would throw a shit fit. We've all seen how his and Spielberg's changes to Star Wars and E.T. have gone over. That's no different than remaking your own movie.
So the appropriateness is going to be directly proportional to the size of the fanbase.
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Or at least film re-film all the shit that got cut and is now supposedly lost.
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Sorry, I usually read through talkbacks before posting but I was impatient this time.
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Apr 06, 2009 4:09:37 PM CDT
Is it OK to make a remake if the original film sucked?
by mrmysteryguest
Let's look at that premise, shall we?
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What does the singer from Frankie Goes to Hollywood have to do with this?
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you can do it. yes you can.
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Ain't it Lame News !
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What's so shocking about it is how different it is from other depictions of alien abductions where there's a sort of ethereal sheen and it's all very new agey and hallucinatory. In FITS it's just fucking BRUTAL, with dirt, screaming, pain, horror, violence and sheer terror. Awesome.
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So why not? When he spoke of "The Man Who Knew Too Much
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0025452/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049470/
Hitchcock said the first one was the work of an amateur. The second was the work of a master.
Besides wasn't The Ten Commandments a remake? And Ben-Hur? NAD Wizard of Oz? That's tears it. I'm remaking Star Wars.
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Apr 06, 2009 4:22:32 PM CDT
Noit's not ok..a remake is a quick way of saying "I'm all out of
by alienindisguise
And seriously who DOES give a shit about this??? probably all of 10 people in the whole country. Yeah remake this dumbshit and watch it make $20 you retarded studio suits.
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First movie I ever saw where the abductee is basically just a piece of meat. Walton gets dragged, thrown on a table, forcibly held against his will, physically violated by God knows what experiments, and the unceremoniously dumped back on Earth... fucking terrifying. Made me think: is this how animals in research labs feel when they're being experimented on like this?
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That shit gave me nightmares. I really need to rewatch that movie. great, hair-raising, terrifying stuff.
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Apr 06, 2009 4:35:18 PM CDT
michael mann adapted miami vice from his tv show
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
adapting a tv show to movies is different. this is just dumb.
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Isn't the same person making the same film again thus technically not a "re-imagining" ? (See, I always wondered what the hell the difference between a remake and a reimagine was, now I've cracked it !)
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Remake = doing the same shit the same way
Reimagining = doing the same shit the same way.. WITH A TWIST!
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That works, but a reimagining can also be taking the core concept, and redeveloping it from the ground up. For example, if I were to reimagine Beetlejuice, it'd still have a deceased couple, a troubled Goth girl, and a wisecracking, mischevious ghoul.
BUT, I may incorporate elements from the cartoon. Or I maky make a hard-edged, rated R version. Or it just may be loaded with sex.
BUT, Tim Burton could do the same thing, and it would be a remake, and a reimagining. But then again, ANYONE could do that, and it would still be a remake or reimagining.
Remakes and reimaginings in themselves are not bad. Only when they're badly done. The history of cinema is loaded with classic examples of remakes, redoings, adaptations, new versions, and retries. Story is story, and good stories are hard to come by. That's why they get re-done. -
NICE FUCKING MODEL! *grabs crotch* HONK HONK!
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That was pretty lame. Pretty sure the same guy pooped out The Grudge 2 as well, so there you go.
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I like Ice Castles. I don't care, that is a tearjerking classic. See...they forgot (sniffle)...about the flowers (sob)... Okay. The line to beat me up forms on the right.
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and cling to an argument that you aren't "re-making" it because of said "Twist". Lame. Besides, there's nothing inherently wrong with remakes. Some remakes are arguably better than the originals: Ben Hur, Color of Money, Little Shop of Horrors, Cape Fear, Father of the Bride, Ocean's 11, possibly Batman Begins, and 3:10 to Yuma [from what I hear, I haven't seen 3:10 to Yuma]. They aren't all Oscar winners, but I'd argue all of thsoe films are more entertaining than the originals. "Re-make" has become a dirty word though, and frankly, seeing most of what has come from Hollywood in the form of a "re-make" I understand why.
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Seriously what part of this struck anyone as remotely "cool" except in the most literal (ice) sense? That Fame remake will be cooler than this, though I'm still holding out for that Baz Luhrmann "Xanadu" ...
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I'd accidentally shit myself from strain trying to care less about this than I do.Actually, as a kid, this used to get more than its fair share of air-time during the dark ages of pre-cable tv, and I was strangely fascinated with how incredibly, painfully, unfuckingbelievably boring it was. ICE CASTLES!? Wow.
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Hopefully you wouldn't leave out the dead football team dancing to "Senora" on a staircase at the end. ("Handbook for the Recently Diseased" "Deceased" "...Deceased.")
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You give bad studios bad ideas! Remake Xanadu, Indeed! Actually it's ripe for it now, isn't it? Especially with a new Xanadu muscial already out there.
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...if it's good like, say, the John Huston version of The Maltese Falcon. I'm happy I have it, and I wouldn't without remakes.
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Yepster, I am BSB - just converted for Passover. BSB will be back for Easter. Glad to see the love for FITS! I mean, I loved that movie when I first saw it, but never revisited it (until now). I remember Robert Patrick being great in it too.
Finky ... thanks for remembering me re: BTILC. It's still in the queue, and I am guilty for not bumping it. I will do so now! -
And, again, I can't believe I'm "defending" Ice Castles, but this is a site for FUCKING MOVIES, guys. Not HORROR MOVIES...not SUPERHERO MOVIES...not APATOW SEX COMEDIES...not TARANTINO CRAP... It's about ALL MOVIES. If you don't want to hear about anything at all but the same comic book crap then go to another site and stop calling yourself a "movie geek" cuz you don't qualify. Granted, this is chick flick crap, but my point remains. If you don't give a shit, then don't post on the talkback. See how that works? Isn't that amazing? Save yourself the time. We all know how cool you are, you don't need to prove it. The same thing happened with Quint's column... "Who gives a shit about movies before 1995??!" God forbid AICN started talking more about foreign or independent movies (that don't have kicking, monsters or blood), all hell would break lose. I'm sure there's some corny film like this one that gets to you hardass bastards. TCM: The Beginning?? Something like that? Seriously. When did movie geeks get so fucking narrow-minded? As a kid I remember loving The Sound Of Music as much as I did Jaws or Butch Cassiy or The Godfather or James Bond. The Way We Were too. Ooooooooh, I must be a fucking HOMO! I better not tell anyone!
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...was one of the first actresses I had a major hard-on for when I was a kid. Watched this stupid fuckin' movie on HBO everytime it showed. She looked damn good in those short little skating dresses!
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Don't let this feeling end !!!!!
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good call there on Maltese. I forgot about that one! Another strong case for GOOD remakes of not-so-hot originals
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Great post. Because of this post I'm looking forward to watching Ice Castles. And I've got Melissa Manchester in the background now. It's all good!
Don't hate!!!
Appreciate!!!! -
Remember your Four Questions:
Why on this night does Hollywood insist on both good AND crappy remakes of crappy movies instead of just good remakes of crappy movies?
Why on this night do we eat bitter herbs when we go to the cineplex? (Because it makes shite like Fast & Furious seem not as shitty) Why on this night do studios insit on double-dipping DVD sales by putting out a standard version, then a year later, another version with "new extras"? Why on this night does anyone in a theater not shutting the fuck-up while I try to enjoy Watchmen automatically get a flaming leg kick? (Because shutting-the-fuck-up during a movie is the Professional thign to do!) Yeah, these were pretty random... -
remember to take plenty of mahror with your matzah, or you know, your shit canal will be more full of it than all the Hollywood studios put together! More full of it than a Michael Bay movie is full of big 'splosions!
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1) Because they don't consult Talkbacks first. If they did, all remakes would be great. Especially casting.
2) I like your answer.
3) Capitalism / Greed. Time for a RevoLucian.
4) I thought you might have been out of pencils? -
on what film/which director. the boo-hoo factor of ICE CASTLES will probably get it greenlit
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I hadn't seen your list when I posted, but good list.
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You want to impress me?
Take the wheel for a while motherfucker. -
I'm fucking confused.
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It's like they hate their own movie. There is nothing wrong with ICE CASTLES!!!
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nice to see that get some love here
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I've said it many times, AMC confirmed last year Brian DePalma was working on a script for a remake of it...however, I think I'd like to see him hand the directing duties over to Edgar Wright. But it makes me hope that he has some grip on today's youth culture...and the fact people know the actual "Phantom" story thanks to Andrew Lloyd Webber.
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it don't get much more uncool than freaking ice castles. New low dude.
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Trying to think of a less cool movie....
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is a remake of Colour of Night. The friggin' pinnacle of the erotic thriller.
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but this? really? Doesn't seem to qualify as a scifi/fantasy/horror/extreme genre movie... or is this site supposed to be more?
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what's the newest animation up there a reference too? Not Poltergeist 2? Not Spirited Away...
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I would love to see a remake of that.... well, then again maybe not. But I totoally though that when I real Ice castles.
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Man, there's GOTTA be something else out there more worthy than this fabulous piece of news. Who the fuck at AICN was given a blow job to do this? This is truly pathetic. What's next, a Beaches talkback?
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remake of Blade Runner might be like.
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cant say no to that?
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I can understand Indy or Sallah or even Marion, but Rene?
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film whose original director remade it. I only mention that because that's what I thought of when I read the headline but I agree WTF Ice Castles??? Maybe there is no innovation left. Everything's an adaptation or remake. If it's not either of those it's a combination or a reimagining/reboot/overdue sequel. How exactly do we "know" that there are more original ideas being shot down in favor of this bullshit?
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I love ICE PRINCESS!!! By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, and Holy Shit, what I would't give to be inside Michelle Trachtenberg!!!
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That is one instance in which the big Hollywood budget made the film better, funnier, and let it find its way into my heart.
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In the case of Don Mancini redoing Child's Play and making it darker and scarier, I'm totally down. While people may have enjoyed Bride and Seed of Chucky, nothing is better than when he's really scary. That I'm looking forward to.
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Pink Panther.....what a blockbuster remake....the one for all the suits to stand up and take notice...of blah blah blah tired of remakes unless it is Star Wars eps 6 sans ewoks
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don't you see Willis' Willis in that movie?
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Hell yeah, the Bruno comes out to play in Colour of Night!
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...with An Affair to Remember in 1957. It was a remake of Love Affair which he did in 1939.
As to why he re-made it, McCarey said: "A lot of young people couldn't have seen the first version, so I felt I should tell the story again-for them."
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George Lucas remade the original Star Wars trilogy now?
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It's winter in the Reich, and then means only one thing...more Gestapo ninja bitches back-flipping with machine guns, more hordes of heavily armed SS Death's Head fanatics, more indestructible medical-experiment-spawned mutants.
And Robby Benson. And love. -
so sick of this shit... Funny Games, The Grudge... it's getting tiresome.
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On the subject of Funny Games, that movie shouldn't even have been made once. Its a priggish, pretentious, finger-wagging sermon about how bad and nasty and idiotic we all are are for enjoying on-screen violence. Cache is great, but Funny Games is just moronic, condesending, and self-important.
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that every second day, he morphs into a state of deep suspicion and distrust with regard to change, and them BANG changes back into believing in change again.
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on an IMAX screen, in 3-D. I REALLY wanna FEEL the BURN!
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Never seen original. Remake is boring, pretentious twaddle from another filmmaker who is convinced that having characters speak directly into camera equates to you being part of the action. Hey shitheads, if your name isnt William Fucking Shakespeare, it doesn't. It doesn't work when porn actress looks directly into camera, and it doesn't work when metrosexual serial killer addresses the audience. Killing a dog on camera would be shocking ... if I hadn't seen Godfather 30 years prior. The clumsy "oops I knocked cellphone into water" was about as hamfisted a plot device as I've seen outside of a Kevin Smith movie. Having killed off camera isn't disturbing - its a copout. Having the baddies win out = been done before and better. Hard to believe the abyssal depths to which the once promising career of one Tim Roth has slipped into. Disturbing = Salo. Trite and Stooopid = Funny Games.
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Apr 07, 2009 3:00:48 AM CDT
Bourne Identity and Munich - remakes better than originals
by jackrabbitslim
Doug Liman's "Bourne Identity" was a remake of a godawful 1986 (or so) tv movie "The Bourne Identity" featuring Richard "No, please, call me Dick" Chamberlain. Munich was a remake of a crappy 1984 tv movie "The Sword of Gideon" featuring Stephen Bauer ( aka Manolo, Tony Montana's right hand man and sister-fucker) in the lead.
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so the answer is no, it's actually worse if the original director does the remake as well. especially if the director is foreign and makes an english language remake.
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Here it is:
http://tinyurl.com/cupoht
I fucking KNEW it! And Lucas, if you even fucking THINK of entertaining this, the Spud is comin' for ya. I mean it. I'll get off my couch and everything.
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Aw HEEEELL naw. I've heard about that SALO. I'm convinced that once I watch that, there's no going back. Apparently, that shit is berserk.
I also hear MARTYRS is good. Must catch that soon, too. -
otherwise, no.
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Simply that it does a better job of A) defining what is truly abhorrent in film and B) does a far better job striving for the literally impossible - placing the viewer amidst the atrocities going on. Amazes me when I read the opinion on Funny Games US as "the most disturbing movie ever". Please - turn off your 6-Pixar-movies-in-rotation player, get out of the art-house-ghetto that made you think there was a chance in hell that Naomi Watts was going to escape and watch more movies.
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Does Zac Efron count as a marionette? Because then the Disney FOOTLOOSE might get a free pass!
Actually, no. NO IT WON'T. EVER!
PS - If you ever write your autobiography, call it I AM NOT SPORK. Pleeeeeeeeease! -
When no one remembers the original.
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Has anyone seen La Grande Bouffe? I haven't seen it, but it's supposed to be "shocking" and it's available on Netflix. Just wondering if it's worth watching?
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Jaws?
2001?
Superman... oh shit they kind of tried... and it didn't work... -
yes if it wasnt a hit in the past and no if it was
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With songs like that playing in the backdrop, you'd think the guy would cut her fucking eyeballs off with her skates !God, I love this era.
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Ice Castles WHAT THE FUCK ? The girl is skating blind and nothing fucking happens !
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If it ain't tweener twaddle, it's mid-level abortion. Easy.
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and Megaforce!
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doesnt need a remake tho
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I used to love that crappy old film. Bruce Villanch, and all.
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