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Bryan Fuller Talks About Ali Larter And Whether She’ll Be In The Final Four HEROES!!
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I am – Hercules!!
Returning “Heroes” writer Bryan Fuller reveals to scifiwire what, if anything, actress Ali Larter will be up to since his script shattered her into tiny bits two weeks ago. Highlight invisotext for spoilage.
FULLER: Tracy comes back in a really big way later on in the season. That was one of the things where it was like, "Is she going to come back as Barbara now?" I was thinking "Can we please not do Barabara, because that's another sci-fi ghetto storytelling element with clones. How many Ali Larters are there?"
SCIFIWIRE: Can you tease viewers about the remaining episodes this season?
FULLER: There's actually a lot of really fun character work happening in the last four episodes that the writing staff is proud of. We'll see Matt retaliate against Danko in a very interesting way. We'll also see Sylar strike at the heart of HRG's life in a way that causes things for him to unravel.
The episode after that is essentially "Company Man" for Angela Petrelli, where we'll be doing a flashback to her life in 1961 and the events that happened there, which really motivates who she is now.
In episode 24, we get to the heart of Sylar's identity crisis, and we clearly understand what his agenda is, what he's after and who the people in his life are that made the biggest impact.
Episode 25 is our big finale.
NBC says of tonight’s installment, “Turn and Face The Stranger”:
As Danko (guest star Zeljko Ivanek) spearheads the government operation, someone close to him is put in the line of fire. HRG's (Jack Coleman) life continues to spiral out of control and his marriage is dangerously close to the breaking point. Meanwhile, Hiro (Masi Oka) and Ando (James Kyson Lee) continue their road trip with a special delivery for Matt Parkman (Greg Grunberg). Elsewhere, Angela Petrelli (Cristine Rose) unearths the demons of her past.
After tonight, only three episodes left till autumn.
9 p.m. Monday. NBC.
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Yay.
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Looking forward to the finale. This story arc has gradually been improving lately.
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Haven't seen this side of Season 03 yet, I'll wait till the DVD release.... .... Maybe
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I think there's a decent chance that Syler, with his new shape-shifting abilities, spends some time in Ali Larter's form.
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Why in the hell where there no Damages talkbacks? Easily the best thing on television...
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seriously, the balance of comic book mentality and good TV is seriously got to be the most precarious balance we've ever seen on network TV. and it seems like Fuller is the only one who gets it. god gave larry bird all the white basketball talent, and Fuller became this amazing gay-TV-comic-genius!! Fuller just got a free pass from me. I'll see anything he does again...ever. the only other people to have that are Charlie Kaufman, Steven Soderburgh, Aaron Sorkin and David Fincher...
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Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles has been kicking the shit out of this show on regular basis pretty much all season. This Friday will likely be its final episode. Please give it a talkback.
Last Friday's episode was absolutely the best episode of the series so far and I'm sure many other fans are looking forward to a riveting finale.
On a side note, can people who work on Heroes stop referencing "Company Man"? It was a great episode but the show hasn't done anything up to par with it in the 2 years since it originally aired. -
And probably the 2nd best on TV period. Office #1. It's not as good as season 1 but it's picking up some pace. I just want to see Peter finally do something, remember when he was the main chacracter? Now it seems the writers are trying to distribute the screen time equally which I think is a big mistake. Some characters such as Hiro,Ando,Parkman have all lost their way in terms of storyline and all need to "die" or be reinvented, everytime one of their segments start I'm just eager for it to pass. Give me Sylar v. Peter II for realzees this time.
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you should check out Kings. it's easily better than anything else NBC is airing right now.
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CHARACTER work. He knows it. He understands it. He appreciates how important it is to good story telling.
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...awesome second season and great to see Zeljko cameo in the finale.It'll be interesting to see if they follow up on William Hurt (technically innocent) next season, and any more on Wes. And here's hoping we get some Rescue Me Talkback love this Tuesday too.
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Weren't they supposed to unload the last few episodes sometime down the road?
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Apr 06, 2009 3:57:13 AM CDT
Heroes died a few episodes before the end of season 1
by kwisatzhaderach
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Unbeknown-st to Danko, the building janitors cleaned up the mess by sucking her remains into a shop-vac and dumping them into an Igloo cooler. When the time comes, she's gonna reassemble T-2000 style.
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The final episodes will be shown in the UK later this month, before ABC
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In other words, buy the damned DVD set if you want to watch the unaired episodes.Loved the first season of Damages, but the second season was disappointing. Still a fan, though.
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William Hurt's character isn't technically innocent at all. A direct intentional act occasioning death as a direct consequence is murder. It doesn't matter that he got someone else to finish the job, because even if he hadn't made the phone call, his wife would still have died.
Why am I talking about Damages in a Heroes tb? Because Heroes is shit and Damages is the shit, that's why. Remember when Herc kept claiming that he wasn't going to ever watch Heroes again. And yet here we are months later, and Heroes remains one of only, what, four shows that gets a weekly tb. -
You KNOW it to be so not true!
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...or have they STILL not explained how Sylar survived being stabbed in the head at the end of Vol. 3?I know he had that bit where he said that he had to be stabbed in a location that was "microscopic", but that's never been the case for any of the other healers.Sorry for the repetition.
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But I still find Chuck to be the best series on any channel on Monday nights. Fuller is helping Heroes though, the last few have been not too bad.
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You scared me there for second.
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I'm asking nicely here as I'm sure I can't be the only one who watches this quite excellent little show.
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Why the hell did they go to the trouble of writng the copcat character if they were just going to discard it so blatanlty.
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No, that still hasn't been explained.
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I have to admit: now that BSG is gone, TSCC is the finest, most layered and enjoyable show on TV. This is strictly my opinion, but after careful consideration, I find that no other show has a cast this talented or unique - Lena Headey, Summer Glau, BAG, Garret Dillahunt, Stephanie Jacobsen, etc, or the balls to kill off major characters, show after show (They killed Kyle Reese' brother Derek *B.A.G.* this past Friday, Riley, Jesse, Charlie and Charlie's wife Michelle. The storyline has built into a wonderful piece of Terminator lore. The plot is a fabric woven of many different storylines that were started in the first season and are just now starting to coalesce . I am sad that this may be the last episode but excited to watch it. I know that Fox will never continue this, but why not SyFy? If they could afford BSG, then why not TSCC?
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Apr 06, 2009 7:25:23 AM CDT
why didn't the shape-shifter change back to his true form...
by cap'n jack
...after being killed? Like the fat girl shape shifter did in season 2.
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I loved the little in joke where Savannah says to Shirley Manson's character, "you can't sing". Sucks that TSCC will most likely be cancelled after this season. If it were as consistently awesome every week as it was last week, it probably wouldn't be this close to death.
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She dealt in illusions. She could make you see, what she wanted you to see. (That's how Micah couldn't leave the hotel room, if you remember.)
As a corpse, she can't do that. So you see her as she really is.
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According to futoncritic (so yes, the news will be old by the time AICN posts it), the last three PD episodes will air on Saturdays, starting May 30, with Window Dressed to Kill. They may also burn off Dirty Sexy Money and Eli Stone in the same time slot afterward.
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Whether it be camera work, lighting, music, acting or tone, TSCC feels like no other show on prime time. I love it, but it is so relentlessly somber, it's unfortunately not hard to see why it fails to connect with people in its 8pm slot. Great, great show though. I loved the scene with John Henry a few weeks ago - where he is playing with Savanah in a rare moment of dry humor - and then it ominously cuts to him on the verge of going psycho. Excellent stuff. Shame it's going to get canned.
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Great show too, but am I the only one who felt that the final episode was WAY too rushed? Also, can someone explain the time-line to me? They kept going back and fore between the scene in the hotel room and everything before it. I thought it was over the course of 5 or 6 months, yet it leaped to the hotel room in seemingly a week or two at most in the final episode.
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I don't see where the show can go at this point. Patty is now clearly a villain, so there's no ambiguity to play on there. I don't see how they can possibly have Ellen go back and work for as implied at the end of the last season. It would just be farcical.
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Thanks. For a moment I thought I was going insane.
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after episode 2 of season 3. Was the season good enough? Ok, it isn't as good as Supernatural, but I used to enjoy Heroes way back in season 1.
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Left of this crap and then its done for good, right? Please tell me its over.
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Sylar shape-shifts into Ali Larter. Either gets stuck in that form or enjoys having a vaj and hence Ali Larter's continued presence on Heroes and Quinto exits stage-left for bigger and better things.
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You made it to Season 3?
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...have been by far the best since season 1 (which wasn't all that great to begin with except for a few episodes). The last few episodes have used the idea of powers really well to advance story, not just to look cool. There's some character development happening too which is good (and Zeljko Ivanek is just gonna bring a show up a notch, let's face it).
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I loved Vol. 3, but there were some MAJOR problems with it, and most people on this talkback hated it.On the one hand, the overall cast was pretty good. On the other hand, some truly atrocious decisions were made.Hope that helps.
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That's pathetic, they are just trying to have someone on their show have as badass or mysterious a name as they can. His name is fucking Noah Bennet. I haven't watched the show in months and even I know that. This show sucks.
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I bailed halfway into this season. Superheroes that barely use their powers and spend most of their time talking. Ali Larter's Nicki character was so lame they had to kill her off and bring her back as sister #3! Hey Heroes, maybe it's not just the character. Maybe it's Ali Larter. I got so tired of Hiro and his quests and destiny. So tired of the boring mystery they have to solve each season. So tired of Claire not doing anything and Peter not doing anything. I hung in so long just waiting for this show to get good and it never did. I'm waiting for the creator to apologize to fans for the third straight season. For a show about superheroes they aren't very super.
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Well stated explanation of shape-shifting requiring conscious effort to change shape but not to maintain it. I like.
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Um, its called character development. Its great that we can see there motivations in the last few episodes. If you want mindless action go and watch some vin diesel movie.
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Why does it suck? Hes been known as HRG since the start of season 1 and thats just how they refer to him.
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Made the mistake of tuning into the show last week simply because everyone talks about how good the show is, despite not having seen it since season one.I was quite surprised by certain things such as the sudden killing of a major character (much like real life it really was sudden and unexpected) and the character of John Henry who I'm assuming is the prototype for Skynet?Anyway, it was pretty good. Even Shirley Manson was good which was unexpected (I thought she was just a singer?).I'll have to check out the previous episodes now!
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I have enjoyed what they are doing with skynet, and how there are apparently two versions of SkyNet that are against each other. One wants to find a way to coexist with humanity (and at this point is guided by Shirley Manson's T-1000 model), and one is the old school KILL THE FUCK OUT OF ALL HUMANS version that has some humans helping it come into existence. Of course, you still have John and Sarah Connor's side as well, trying to make sense of it all and at this point still trying to prevent SkyNet and judgement day PERIOD.
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...set up the whole endgame in a way that *didn't* burn Ellen? Sure, the sting with the Marshall's office was self-serving, but if she was really such a bad gal, it could have gone down much worse for Ellen in the end. Obviously, as angry as she was, she still felt a lot of guilt, and I think that's why Ellen got a pass.
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He's writing decent storylines and the characters are starting to MAKE SENSE and act intelligent for once.
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The show is a lot better. And you feel like you've only love 20 minutes instead of an hour during the really bad episodes. That's what I've found this year.
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Seriously when am I going to get to see some cars tossed around, laser beams cutting through people....
Show needs MORE action, less emo crying about my marriage is failing, my mommy doesnt love me, my brother sold me out...
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First season, it was doing it better than Lost with like the Cheerleader waking up with her chest open. Since then, not so much. Although predictable, the Sylar team-up was a decent try last week.
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are easily the most boring part of the show. They're giving Angela her own flashback episode, so that kinda indicates she'll get whacked soon. Then either Nathan or Peter will get killed by Sylar in the finale.
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Heroes has sucked for two years and Supernatural keeps getting better. I just would love to know how decisions get made on this site.
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They gave HRG/Noah his own episode (titled "Company Man") and he wasn't whacked. "1961" is supposed to be a similar format to that episode in the way that it focuses on one character and lets you see how they came to be and their motivations. I'm looking forward to it.And Claire doesn't have tequila-drinking prowess....she cheated.
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It's off until April 24, but I'm sure there will be a place to discuss the show in the Dollhouse talkbacks until then, as it was over the weekend. And when it does return, if Herc doesn't come to his senses.....speak out. But until then, let's keep the requests to a minimum. Because after our favorite show became the most popular thing on AICN over the weekend that didn't involve the Wolverine debacle, I doubt Herc would pass up a chance to get more hits. No matter how much he may "dislike" the show.
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someone has said it's based on traffic, and that makes sense. Following that, Heroes' talkbacks must be assumed to be capable of generating more traffic than Supernatural's would. Can't say I agree or disagree. I WILL agree that Supernatural is much more entertaining that Heroes which, in spite of Fuller's messianic return, still has the brains and entertainment value of a TeenNick show.
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I was avoiding the Dollhouse tb out of, well, a complete lack of interest in Dollhouse. But, I'll have to swong over to it.
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then that's just retarded, because clearly only about half the posts in any Heroes tb are about the show, and half of those are just whining about how much it sucks.
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when will they put an edit function on this site?
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Supernatural DOMINATED that talkback.
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flawed show it is. But I keep tuning back in to see John Henry/Skynet's advancements. Particularly cool was his brief freak-out when he got hacked. As well as the conversations with Manson's daughter.
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I got Season 1 on Bluray for $30, and I've caught a few episodes of season 2, and I think I geniunely enjoy this show. Really can't wait for the bluray release of S2 so I can see just what the hell is going on.Too bad they're probably gonna can it, though. BSG finished, Terminator not coming back, Lost becoming a predictable mess: It's not the best time to be a sci-fi TV watcher. :(
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I've been catching up on Supernatural and I'm up to Season 4 Episode 14 at the moment and that Uriel guy is proving to be a real dick. I hate him. I hope he gets turned into angel dust soon.
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* Raises palms of hands to either side of mouth and shouts at Audio_Of_Being*Boooooooo!
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the character evolution of Wesley Wyndam-Pryce
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Is over. :o(
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In the flash forwards, the sub eps.
They were meeting a different faction of terminators. Ones that were more free willed and not necessarily anti-human.
It was implied that the mission was an attempt to form an alliance between them and the humans against skynet forces.
I believe John Henry is the first of that branch of terminators and his human interactions and friendship with the little girl and the ex-fbi guy is what sets the foundation that not all humans should be killed on sight.
Hope we find out if I'm right..
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I shall echo the sentiments that his character development over the course of Angel is most epic!
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So who thinks that they are going to go the whole some robots are good, lets live together bullshit route that BSG went?
Clearly they are trying to show 2 factions of Terminators, with that whole Sub picking up a T1000 meeting, and I kind of sense that John Henry is supposed to be the forerunner of the "good" robots.
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The greatness and quality of that show is inversely proportional to the amount of talkback coverage it receives on this site. WAKE UP AICN COAXIAL
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DAMMIT
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Sorry, I guess that having a centric episode about a character doesn't mean that they're going to die...it just needs to be a pretty big reveal because Angela has been tedious at best this season.
Did Claire really cheat? She drank all the tequila the frat boys were pouring. Sure, she didn't come out and say "I have a superpowered indestructible liver made out of titanium," but why would she?
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I would dig Kings about 70 percent more, if I understood the back story better. Is this an uncolonized America, an alternate reality scenario where the south wins the civil war. They named the HQ Shilo, which is where a major battle took place during the civil war. Hell, I just want a bone thrown my way as to how there is a monarchy in what is so obviously the US. I spend most of my time looking for clues when that show is on.
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Ali Larter is way too hot and talented to be on a show that has jumped the fucking shark like Heroes. That babe is gonna be a movie star.
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Is he?
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It still astounds me how different he is by the last time you see him, and the first time you ever see hm on Buffy. Stabbing that junkie to get information out of her. Casually SHOOTING that guy in the leg when he doesn't care about Fred. And the entire evolution is completely motivated and believable.
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AICN staff do not watch this show, and are probably too busy to catch up with Supernatural. If a talkback is allowed for either, then the latter deserves it more.
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Buck-bucka-bucka, buck-bucka-bucka, buck-bucka-bucka, buck-bucka-bucka. Torture.
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The last episodes of Sarah Connor were good, but what is there to talk?
That Supernatural simply is ignored over Heroes and Dollhouse (I mean: look in that talkbacks...Over 50% is about other shows. the other 40% are opinions how crappy these shows are)is simply disrespectful against us.
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I'm so done with this show, but for those who aren't, check this out: http://digg.com/d1nrMA
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had some things going for it and it's a better show then most but it was vastly inferior to the spectacular 1st season - mostly due to the lack of focus in story/character/structure.
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It would be terrific if Sci-Fi or anyone else saw the potential in TSCC.
I mean ABC brought Scrubs to NBC. Nothing against Scrubs, but it's been long in the tooth for a while and it was saved.
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I thought that I had missed a couple of weeks of episodes. There was so much left unanswered, and not in a good way. Alsl, why did Olyphant's character save Patty? Wasn't he working for the company she was going up against? We never found out anything about his supposedly corrupt background other than that the truth would put him away for life. And would Patty really have sat through that exchange with Ellen without commenting that she had been knifed in the chest? As for Tate Donovan (did he really date Jennifer Anniston?), are they going to make is a seasonal tradition for Patty to fire and then re-hire him? Perhaps it's because I work in the legal industry, but the one thing above and beyond everything else that took away the credibility of the show for me was the idea that he was a former Supreme Court Clerk, and that furthermore he would then go and work for a Plantiff's firm.
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Not quite as good as S1... but still FX 2nd best drama, right behind The Shield. Both, ironically, featuring Glenn Close.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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this is absolute crap. HEROES? is jack o'neill in it? is daniel jackson in it? is sam carter in it? is Teal'c in it? is Mckay or Sheppard in it? ---- NO? well why the fuck is it called HEROES?????????!!!!!!!!!
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Then why do they feel the urge to come on here and tell everyone, fair enough Heroes has had it's problems but what show hasn't?
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Chuck is far superior. I would rather talk about Scott Backula and Chevy Chase on tonight's episode of Chuck than how Heroes will continue to slip into mediocrity.
The funny thing is that Chuck is in danger of getting canceled although it puts up similiar numbers and probably costs a lot less to produce than Heroes. And the writing, acting, action, etc. is worlds better. It seems the only place Heroes skimps on money is Hayden Pinetteri's wig she is wearing this year. -
You're a fucking idiot. Seriously. Lots of people got banned this year for being broken records while posting off-topic, and if somebody (like me if you keep this up) starts emailing Herc and Harry about you spamming these talkbacks, you could be gone real real soon.
You may be safe for the moment only because Herc seldom has time to read the talkbacks. If the size of the talkback means anything to Herc, he probably just says, "Oh, 500 talkbacks for Dollhouse. Better keep those Dollhouse posts coming!"
NOT "Oh, 500 talkbacks for Dollhouse. Better start putting up posts for that kiddie crap Supernatural!"
Seriously, dude. Rather than alienate this sites mods and every non-Supernatural fan who reads the talkbacks, you need to start posting your thoughts on the show in AICN's Supernatural thread in The Zone, or at TWOP, or over at the CW's Supernatural site. Because that's where Supernatural fans go to read people's thoughts about Supernatural. Where most Supernatural fans do NOT come are talkbacks under Herc's posts for Dollhouse, Heroes and other shows not on the CW.
I'm pointing out these obvious facts for your own good. Smarten up or feel the banhammer, which you may bring down not only upon yourself but upon your fellow Supernatural fans.
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I am finding it interesting that John Henry isn't Skynet, but potentially the anti-Skynet. It definitely is an interesting twist and makes Shirley Manson's character far more complex.
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Everything he says is true. It's amazing how fucking BORING this show is. You have a show where about 80% of the characters have superpowers, yet week after week over 70% of each episode is fucking talking? If you didn't have the budget to actually show superpowers the way they need to be shown every week - why make the fucking programme? This show REEKS of low budgets, writing to fit round the limitations and basically what should have been a compelling look at how absolute power can corrupt absolutely into a FUCKING SOAP OPERA.
The same tired old predictable storylines: what's Sylar's REAL agenda? Why can't HRG have a normal family life with his beloved Claire-bear? (The amount of times they tell each other that they love each other is starting to veer towards the pervy). Which side is Nathan on? Ditto for Angela / Peter / Parkman / anyone else? Will Hiro pass this week's / month's / year's test? Will anything genuinely fucking interesting happen?
Sorry, but this show is the lamest and most boring on TV. It's more interesting watching the hair on my balls grow. My pubic area looks like Crab Man from MY NAME IS EARL now.
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"If all these people dont like it
then why do they feel the urge to come on here and tell everyone, fair enough Heroes has had it's problems but what show hasn't?"
Because that's what the Talkbacks are here for. If you want message boards where outsiders are drummed out and everyone is a happy little pod person telling every other happy little pod person in that thread how great their chosen show is, without fear of any well-reasoned criticism or any dissenting points of view whatsoever, go to the SFX magazine forums. They are as pussy as it gets in the internets.
I can talk all night about why I think HEROES is absolute shit. Can you give me reasons as to why I'm wrong - and back them up with well-reasoned debate?
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Actually, I think the "which side is HRG on?" is more of an annoying cliche on this show. It is so annoying because everytime that question comes up on the show, everyone knows the answer. Seriously, you cannot constantly tease that a character has switched to the side of evil and then reveal that he is secretly working for the side of good before people just stop caring.
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Why call out Shermdawg like that? He's hardly the only person talking off-topic. I think the one thing that can be learned from this talkback is that Heroes doesn't deserve a talkback.
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I could certainly try a well-reasoned debate but if i get caught up in the swing of the talkback ways il probably just say im right and you are wrong.
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Chuck is far superior, one of the best shows on tv these days. However, to Heroes' credit, they made Claire kinda sorta hot last week which was a first.
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but ali larter has a kick ass sex scene you can find on youtube thouh. you see her ass!
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My problem is that a series about superheroes should have a lot more superhero action in them than HEROES does. Before anyone starts going on about character development and narrative etc etc, I watch stuff like LOST where character development is front and center, and yes, it is integral to the series. But in HEROES, there's so MUCH development, the powers don't get much of a look in. And it's painfully obvious that the powers that DO appear weekly are the cheapest ones to show, eg mind reading and control, indestructibility, cheesy flying effects etc.
Then there's the problem of scale. Part of the fun in movies like HANCOCK, or in books like SOON I WILL BE INVINCIBLE (which would make an AWESOME movie or TV mini-series), are the big-scale smackdowns: hundreds of superheroes going at it hammer-and-tongs, beating the living shit out of each other. THIS is why the first two X-MEN movies also bored the living shit out of me: how many mutants did we have beating each other up at the end of the first movie? 8? 10? Say what you like about X-MEN III (and God knows it fucked up the X-MEN mythology but GOOD) but at least that ending kicked ASS: a huge fight with fatalities on both sides that felt like a good, epic climax to a movie that is - let's face it - about beings that can inflict more violence on others than the average human can. Beneath all the new age bullshit that pervades the X-MEN stories, what do the good guys ALWAYS end up doing? KICKING ASS! Which is what superhero stories thrive on. Having scary Zach Quinto kill a couple of people quietly every other episode doesn't do it for me any more. Why is he so obssessed on keeping everything on the down low? He's practically indestructible: why isn't he going all Zodiac and taunting the media with his serial killing? Why not take on the National Guard - and WIN? There's so much they could do with this guy!
But no: more of that boring ass who's-side-is-he-on-oh-suprise-he's-still-GOOD HRG guy hunting down Sylar. It's not action-oriented enough: too much damn talking, not enough powers! -
Apr 06, 2009 4:40:50 PM CDT
"If you didn't have the budget to actually show superpowers..."
by big jim
Isn't the Heroes budget $4 million / episode, or something equally ridiculous? The 4400 was able to do superpowers with a limited budget and still tell an interesting story. But then it got cancelled after 4 seasons, so what do they know.
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Ali Larter is several miles of very rough road indeed. Where's the totty on this show? And don't say Claire - God she's annoying!
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That's even worse! $4 million per episode, and it's like DALLAS with superpowers!
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If it's true that this show is super expensive to make, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MONEY GOING!? When it comes to the look of the show and the action quanitity, Supernatural and Angel take massive 80 gallon diarrhea shits on Heroes from a great height.
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I can't believe I'm saying this to someone who rightfully trashed Heroes for the garbage it is... but my God, YOU again??? I'd call you a troll, except Heroes really DOES suck.
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It could come back, though maybe not on FOX. The show is independently produced and jointly owned by Warner Bros. and the production company behind the movies. They're keen to keep the series going to actively keep the Terminator franchise name in the public eye throughout the next three Terminator movies. There exists the possibility that a third season of Sarah Connor would air on TNT and have 13 episodes.
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i actually agree with you on your points about the sometimes boring aspect of the show and the ever changing are-they-good-or-bad characters but to talk about how you want to see superpower action on par with movies is a tad unrealistic.
i mean if they had that kind of money to throw around would they not be better off just making a movie in the first place?
All im saying is that it's just a fun tv show, i don't watching it expecting the most intelligent amazing show of all time, if it kills 45 minutes in a fun way then it's no big deal. -
Thanks for the info. It seems to me that Heroes season 3 won't be my cup of tea. If there are still some major problems I probably won't like it.
I mean I got tired of Hiro. Got tired of Claire. Got tired of Sylar. Got tired of Suresh. I hate that female Flash. Loved Elle but they killed her off very fast. I don't like mama Petrelli. The Petrelli brothers have become boring. Matt is boring. Hated the Telemundo Twins. Etc etc. At the end of season 2 I only liked Elle and HRG. Have any worthy characters been introduced in season 3?
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like this one in Variety that Herc had linked to last year:
http://tinyurl.com/6pskmo
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It would be fucking sweet if they could cut a deal to do 13 episodes a season on cable either on Sci-Fi or some cable network like TNT very much like the FNL deal, which BTW is fucking awesome that DTV did a straight up 2 season 13 episode deal. They need more shit like that. I'm also hoping that Chuck gets renewed, NBC would be fucking crazy not to.
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for the theme.
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Because the last few weeks have been very compelling and well written. Its a shame you kept ignoring it Herc, its probably going to end this week without any fanfare, and thats a shame.
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2 shows, within days of each other having very sudden exits for main chars.
This is house though, so it could be a dream or hallucination -
It's just dull. The guy whines and complains so much. What an asshole.
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I mean, the Hancock comparison? if that works for you, fine, but bashing Heroes for not being what you want is a little odd. it's certainly been inconsistent, but it has NEVER been about "big kick ass action spectacular" or whatever.I don't go into a Lost talkback and say, "that doesn't make sense! how could the island move? a polar bear would overheat in a tropical climate!" etc. etc. because I know that not making any fucking sense is part of what that show is. Heroes is about people with superpowers who are NOT super. they aren't these iconic comic superhero caricatures. so if that doesn't work for you, that's a shame. but it doesn't mean a show empirically "sucks" just because it's a different show, and has ALWAYS been a different show, than you'd like it to be.
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First off darlin', I'm asking Supernatural fans TO NOT plead for a Supernatural talkback anywhere and EVERYWHERE like we've been doing for months. Secondly, in case you haven't read through it yet, the Dollhouse "fans" were receptive to the Supernatural discussion and that will probably become our unnofficial home given the awesome discussion that sparked up over the weekend. Third, unless I do some REALLY heinous shit, Herc's not gonna ban ME. And lastly, if you think fans of certain shows, don't go to talkbacks if they're not related to them, you OBVIOUSLY are new around here....or don't visit the site ENOUGH. I'm just trying to keep the peace, so please......fuck off.
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Were we supposed to think that wasn't Sylar masquerading as her the whole time?
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It's the Shiloh from the Bible not the Shiloh in Tennessee.
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or are these scenes really dragging and boring to boot?
especially the whole "divorce" scene. I kept going to the computer, looking back at the TV, and saying "hell, are they STILL talking?" -
HRG and the Mrs.?
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on these posts. But honestly, I really have no idea what's going on now anyway so I can't ruin it too much...
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There's one in the thread's title.
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this episode reeked of "transitional." Oh well, they gotta wrap everything up in the next 3 eps anyway
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After Trek hits big, Qunto will act like a huge movie star, leave and star in a string of flop movies.
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is a bigger moron ... I mean, they're all borderline retarded. I think it might be Parkman ... but maybe it's Hiro. Or Nathan. Peter is just Corky dumb ... no hope for him.
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Corky was bad ass!
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Which is Future Hiro. I mean, they don't have the restrictions Smallville does, so unless they are foolishly saving that stuff for a bigscreen spinoff (heh), they need to go there if there IS a next season.
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Well, I thought it was a good episode.
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i mean who HASNT tried to kill him at his apartment???
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They should really set an end date. It worked awesomely with LOST and it keeps the writers from backstepping and redoing plots so as to flesh out episodes.
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That's not the only show it's worked awesomely with.
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An end date for Heroes makes no sense, because there's never been an ongoing story that the writers have been writing towards, but stalling because they had to outlast their ratings. If the show was created with an end date in mind, then planning out an end date would absolutely help the writers, but it makes no sense with a show where the writers have no endgame in mind.
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Parkman was being so stupid for the entire episode. Lusting for the murder of innocent people to teach a lesson to the guy whose crime was killing an innocent person. He's just retarded. And then once he learns he has a kid, everything changes and he forgets about his Daphne vendetta and all his idiotic nonsensical actions recently. Seems like retconning away the old behaviour, but it was still done stupidly. And HRG is a fucking uber-retard. He spends the whole episode holding a gun to the back of the head of people he thinks are Sylar. And when they disprove his argument, he just assumes that Sylar has attained a new power. Here's an idea: cut his fucking finger! God, could his actions have been stupider?? And yet, the show, sadly, is improving.
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Noah Bennet goes bananas after the slightest push from Sylar. Come on! Bennet has always been smarter and tougher than that. They have him run away from the military guys, in full-lunatic fashion - ridiculous, almost comical. And then there's Matt Parkman, out to murder an innocent woman. And Suresh, with his powers, who doesn't seem to know what he's doing on the show anymore. Angela Petrelli has gone from being shrewd and cunning to being frantic and hysterical. Ali Larter has been killed off, re-imagined, then killed off a second time.HEREOES has completely betrayed its own characters. I hate to finally say it, but I think this show is truly broken beyond repair. I'd held out some hope, especially when I saw the Fuller-scripted episode. But I really doubt now that this utter train wreck can be saved.
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*To stop you from killing a killer, I must kill you!* trope yet?
I can't wait for that one
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Cloning is a sci-fi ghetto storytelling element, but shapeshifting is good tv? eh?
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chuck hit a whole new level tonight... i was blown away.
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That was one really hot Russian prostitute. Good job, Russia! Thought the episode was decent, although it seems like Heroes is looking back instead of forward, again. They really need a powerful, coherent threat that unites at least the central characters, forcing them to actually DO SOMETHING proactively.
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How about Bennet's remark about the glass in the back of Sylar's head melted in the fire. How in the world did he know that?
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Honstly do you people have to be spoonfed *everything*?
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i refuse to believe that it sucked there is something you guys are missing
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Seriously, Quantum Leap is Chuck's Father! Chevy Chase as a evil Steve Jobs type character! Jordana Brewster returning next week! Cmon show is awesome!
What did Heroes have? Boring Shape Shifting, marriage problems, baby crying, silly faces... really this is crap! Show needs a super powered death match that completely wrecks through a city, ala Peter vs the Chicken in Family Guy! I want to see Peter given his full powers back then fight it out with Syler across NY, then ripping off his head in the end and impaling it! Now there is talkback worthy TV! -
Not hard to believe you're a chuck fan, since its as derivative and mindless as the Heroes idea you just had.
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It's a wonder how he's manged to survive this long and somehow managed to father a child to further prolong Hiro's delinquency. Future Hiro would have been interesting, but instead they made him the goofball comic relief, and gave the heavy parts to lightweights like Parkman and Peter.NBC would be stupid to cancel Chuck, especially now that the show it's confused with, Reaper, is all but officially dead. Yeah, it's not high art, but it found a fun groove long ago, has good guest stars and now they're diving into the "mythology". But then NBC is NBC, maybe they can up Leno to two hours.
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It was lazy, anticlimactic, and should have been done back at the beginning of the season if it was going to amount to so simple an explanation. But at least they gave it, so I'll stop bitching.Otherwise, not a bad episode, in my opinion.
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OK, Peter's Irish Lass is trapped in an alternate time line never to be referenced again. I can live with that. But Nathan has two sons (who are also Angela's grand kids)so he tries to make it up with Claire for the terrible job he did with her but totally abandons his other children? They are not stuck in an alternate reality and the writers have totally ignored them. Lame. Good grief, have him look at their photo longingly or flash to them in his memory with some teary eyes or something.
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Let's see...Hiro: mostly bad, though the stuff with his mother was good.Claire: Evil Claire sucks, but her problems with immortality were decent.Sylar: redemption plot was good, but he morally jumped back and forth WAY too much (Vol. 3 is notorious for rapidly changing characters).Suresh: if you don't mind Mohinder becoming Jeff Goldblum in The Fly, his plot was good.Daphne ("female Flash"): passable, but when she loses her powers, she gets better.Angela Petrelli: I liked her, but if you didn't, a lot of Vol. 3 is about her.Nathan Petrelli: THE rapidly changing character of Vol. 3. I mean, seriously.Peter Petrelli: hugging his father is the single dumbest thing I've seen on the show. Otherwise, passable plot.Matt: you're right. Boring."Telemundo Twins": Alejandro died in Vol. 2, and Maya doesn't do much in Vol. 3 before exiting stage right.As for new characters, Arthur Petrelli is a nasty threat, though you don't really get inside his head as much as I'd prefer.Doyle is a pretty cool character, and his Russian Roulette scene is really good.The best new characters are the vortex man (but you don't get much time from him before he vanishes) and Usutu (Mr. African Isaac, as Hiro calls him).Hope that helps.
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an explanation to Sylar's resurrection but realized later that, oops, some do. Seemed fairly obvious to me when he "died" that either the fire would melt the piece of glass or the entire building collapsing on top of him would crush it enough that he would heal. It's Heroes. It's what I've come to expect.
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Heck, he can't even save other shows he worked on.
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I hung in there for a bit, and I had hope after the last couple episodes...but this one again had me snoozing. WHY is this show turing into a primetime soap?? I hate that the characters are just circling each other for what seems like forever. I honestly thought that this series was going to be a slicker show, one with more imposing threats and much more direct outcomes. IT IS TOO WISHY WASHY. Start really KILLING People dammit. And what the hell, Sylar is great and all, but there have GOT to be other bastards with powers out there that aren't as lame as the ones that were introduced last time. I don't need explosions and powers left and right, but I do need the characters to be more than just siting there not knowing what to do next, and coming up with lame brained reasons to go to see other characters...it is getting to be too much to take. The best scene this whole season was when Ice chick finally gets killed...but then who knows, she could have thawed out and come back to life off screen for all we know...ughh that is another thing that gets me, NO ONE important gets killed. I thought that from season one, you would see new characters emerge as other characters storylines were finished off..ie NEW actors with new abilities etc etc..not the same people doing the same thing and being angsty for two seasons more then they should.They're losing me.
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Yeah what do you want to see? 60 minutes of Marriage counseling for HRG, that will make for good tv. Or more of this shape shifting crap, look we can have several actors playing the same character, and use it as a power so we do not have to spend money on special effects! Heroes is boring and hugely overrated. They ripped off Marvel's mutant idea, then failed to make anything great out of it.
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It's just like in comics, when you have a great creative team, the books just kicks butt, but when things go stale, time to bring in a new team...or a new approach...even in this season, there were a couple of really great episodes, there is great stuff to be mined here...don't understand why they are meandering all over the place with it.
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Cassandra was a great way to explain this character. The myth is very tragic and the analogies show a new light to all the actions of Angela in this and the others seasons. Cool call. And now with all the dead bodies it could be really intersting.
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Didn't expect that to happen.
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Those who think the last two episodes dragged must have been raised on Ritalin. Our whole family were holding on for dear life for the first time since season one. Finally the characters speak like adults and the exposition is deep enough that it satisfies Science Fiction fans, not just video game players. The whole psychological playing by Sylar was ingenious .. HRG KNEW he was being played and still could not break out of the trap. Now that HRG knows Sylar is playing Chess, he will think 3 moves ahead to Sylar's 2. The show was only boring when the characters were dumb. It is now rockin'. Oh also, I wonder if Ali will return as the same character or as Elizabeth. Either way, we cannot complain about the return of Ali - because they put in the wink to let us know they PLAN for her to return. The problem before was not the resurrection of characters - it was the fact they contributed to a fear that the writers were making it as they go along (i.e that the series was becoming a D&D game). It all has to do with how well a plot turn is written, not the plot turn itself.
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I am not a "gamer" nor was I raised on em, but this last episode, aside from the Sylar stuff, which I am glad they finally decided to make him embrace his evilness, was just more of the same slow paced non interesting line holding. Aside from the hint of Suresh finding new clues from his fathers research, I mean they waited two seasons for him to find that?? What about the fall out from all the people who were and are being tracked down and hunted by the bald vampire looking dude, can't remember his name right now..and as much as I like the hi-jinks with Hiro and Ando, I would love more developement of possibly the most powerful person on the show..I dunno, it just seems like they really lost their drive on this show...
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Those are the new series-lows for Heroes after last night's episode. They are series lows for the *4th consecutive week*. Kristen Bell got off this Titanic in the fucking nick of time.
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they leave out so many demo's its not even funny, including canada, they need to work out a new system for their ratings so it actually matters again.
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he fucking lives in in dads apartment for 2 yrs and never thinks--- maybe he might have some OTHER research in his storage?? i mean really! that just reeked of -- lets add this because the plot has to get dumbass to the same place as everyone else. and pennsy, please stop with the bell shit. its really old.
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The problem though is that unlike some comic books that have survived transitions from good to bad to good writers; this show just does not have characters worth a reboot. They have not done a good job of getting people attached to any character, or fully developing a character.
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when I first started watching heroes, I thought that is was exciting that at any moment Sylar could come in and eat the brains of one of the main characters..I always had it in the back of my mind that sooner or later one of these characters was gonna get it. But that never happened, they don't need to reboot or anything like that, they need to put an end to the idea that they have to live up to season one, which was complete and now drop character which are over done , who you can see in the show have no clue as to what they are doing...and introduce through true story, new interesting characters that don't rely on shock value , nor are shoe horned into the same story. Hrg should have stayed dead, it would have made for a better storyline. As much as I love the character, look at him now..they have no clue what to do with him, he goes back and forth from being good and bad, but with no real purpose. For gods sake they even had Sylar in an apron this season. Who ever came up with that one needs a kick in the nuts. I do believe this show can be 100 times better than it is achieving right now. They need to trim the fat, off these bloated storylines that seem like , "shoot we need to fill in three weeks before we reveal this..uhh take Hiro on a road trip with the baby. eah!! good idea...Although I actually like baby touch and go..cool idea there.
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they start with peter trying to change the future. all his powers in FULL control. now, it has NOTHING even resembling a cohesive narrative. i mean we have to forget the irish chick,and also, the TWO fucking possible futures they hinted at in the beginning of the season??? gimme a freaking break
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so...did they drive from California to D.C. in a day?
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The stuff with HRG and the Mrs. was good. The rest? Not so much.
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why didnt they just give the kid some tylenol? u know put'em to sleep?? lol its not that hard to think... oh yea its heroes
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such as "go to the person you care most about", why not plant a suggestion like "stop hunting us" or "what you are doing is wrong" or "quit your job and start a garage band". He doesn't even read his thoughts to see what he is up to, what he has planned.
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You can't develop character and be interesting at the same time? Lost manages to do it. Fuck mindless action. You know that's not what I'm talking about.
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hits a brick wall and they just get rid of the character. Mya, Nikki's son, Nikki, Claire's brother, Parkman's wife, the little girl Parkman and Mohinder were taking care of, the girl who could imitate any ability she witnesses, etc. Don't know what to do with them? Just pretend they never existed.
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They tried to repeat the idea of season one, after the short lived season two was killed due to the strike. I for one really enjoyed the idea of Hiro in the past working on becoming that cool ass hiro we saw in season one. But they went with creating an ultimate villain instead. Which was cool with me, until the completely trashed the character later on. Every one was on them about how nothing was happening in season two, but I Actually liked their approach. Then the strike cut whatever they were planning short, and then they second guessed themselves, and came back at us with the Peter wanting to prevent yet another disaster, which we have SEEN before and had no weight whatsoever copared to the original idea. THEN they had to backtrack on that idea and go with the whole concentration camp idea, which never became real either...SO what the hell??? Make up your minds people....
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Mya - she left after being cured and betrayed by Mohinder.
Nikki's son - do you mean Micah a.k.a. Rebel? He clearly exists.
Niki - umm she died in an episode. We saw her funeral and Micah mentioned it.
Claire's brother - a side character who they don't "pretend never existed". Noah mentioned him last night.
Parkman's wife - she split with Parkman and we last saw her being taken in by agents. she exists and they acknowledged it a few times
Little Girl/Molly - they've mentioned her too. Mohinder sent her away for safety.
Copycat girl - don't know with her. maybe she died too? can't remember.
Do you watch the show?
Also sometimes actors/actresses move on to other projects. Sometimes people are written out because of real-life circumstances....not because the writers don't know what to do.
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Would be season 2 and everything after....including Fuller's lame additions....
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Any guess as to the identities in the boneyard?
One thing I think we all agree on is that Hiro's character should be allowed to develop. Like ckone above, I think that was the original purpose of him spending a very long time in the past as a real warrior and hero. If so, then it is one more thing the writer's strike derailed. I hate unions. -
I could be wrong but I think the last time we saw her she was trapped inside a burning house after trying to get Micah's backpack back from neighbourhood punks.
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so I don't know Rebel is Mikah. I know Nikki died. I know what happened with all of them. So all of those actors had other things to do? Really? All of those characters die or just leave and it's not because of bad writing? Usually when an actor wants to leave they kill them off for the drama, but the only one who died was Nikki and she came back as a third twin!
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To teach Danko a lesson about murdering innocent people? Seriously? The ex-cop decides to murder someone?
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