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Updated w/ Response From Fox! Fox claims it's fine to download & review WOLVERINE?!?!?

Beaks here...

Fox has issued the following press release in response to Roger Friedman's idiotic review of the leaked WOLVERINE workprint.
We've just been made aware that Roger Friedman, a freelance columnist who writes Fox 411 on Foxnews.com - an entirely separate company from 20th Century Fox - watched on the internet and reviewed a stolen and unfinished version of X-Men Orgins: Wolverine. This behavior is reprehensible and we condemn this act categorically - whether the review is good or bad.
Friedman's review has been removed from Foxnews.com - which is heartening, but I agree with Moriarty that this is not enough. Friedman has admitted to breaking the law. If 20th Century Fox - and the FBI - are serious about nailing the perpetrator(s) of this leak, then Friedman must be fired immediately for downloading and reviewing stolen material. There's no wiggle room here. Allowing Friedman to keep his job sends a message that certain Fox employees - i.e. those who generate decent web traffic - are above the law in this matter. This is unacceptable. And I trust that Fox - which has thus far behaved intelligently in response to this leak - will do the right thing.



Hey folks, Harry here... Wow - didn't see this one coming! Moriarty just rang me up spitting and pissing mad about this scenario. You see, the very real and transparent shill, Roger Friedman of FOX NEWS, has written a piece where he talks about downloading and watching a 95% finished WOLVERINE - which apparently nobody else in the world has seen. Ahem. He goes on to declare, "It’s miles easier to understand than "The Dark Knight," and tremendously more emotional." and "I am, in fact, amazed about how great "Wolverine" turned out. It exceeds expectations at every turn." and even goes so far as to say he was going to download and catch up with Paramount's "I LOVE YOU, MAN" next because it was so much easier than going out in the rain. Now - What's interesting about all of this is that FOX has a very rigid history on pursuing employees that brazenly break the rules. Like when they went after Memflix for reviewing one of their films on AICN - and got him fired. How is this situation any different FOX? I mean, if FOX doesn't go after Roger Friedman - aren't they basically telling the entire world... It's ok? I understand that this is damage control - the overwhelming word of mouth from this print is wretched. I've heard from fans that what they do to Ryan Reynolds' DEADPOOL is so abhorrent, that they wanted to know exactly who was responsible so they could KILL them. It was a jocular bit of hyperbole, I assure you - but the emotion was solid and real. They were pissed. I've seen fans declare, "Worse than X3" and I've seen them say, "Slightly better than X3". Fox needed Positive word of mouth. Now - I've been talking to John Palermo, one of the producers on the film - ever since this story broke. The word I've gotten is that the print you can see online is several months old - and is in fact the version of the film that drove FOX to spend untold millions on a couple of weeks of additional shoots. That things have been edited out and that even with that - the film now runs 20 minutes longer than that which you see online. That there was stuff they didn't like and they took aggressive and costly steps to correct that. If they wanted Roger to write a piece to fluff up WOLVERINE - why not show him the real version of the film? Part of the reason that I decided not to run reviews on AICN of WOLVERINE based on the work print was the knowledge that this is a 3-4 month old print - that had 2-3 weeks of reshoots and millions of work put into it to make it better, because they were not happy with that version. The only point in seeing that workprint is as a comparison to the finished version, to see the process in which the Producers and Director and Studio went through to try and make WOLVERINE as good as it could be. It's also why I don't run script reviews after the test screening process, what's the point? Beyond the moral issues - it is old information. Script reviews when the script breaks prior to or during filming? Fair game. Test Screenings provide information on the state of the film in question - the day & night in which they screened it. But what is online is a snapshot from months ago of a film with reportedly dire issues, which they allegedly took fairly intense steps to correct. And I did the right thing of discussing this with the producers and that is the proper way to follow up this kind of story. But having Fox shill Roger Friedman tell everyone about this great new way to see movies for free at your home - and how all 10 of the top Box Office films right now can be seen comfortably and happily in your home, well that's criminally irresponsible and if I were FOX - Roger Friedman would be joining millions of Americans that have lost their jobs - only this time - it would be deservedly lost. SO - what do you think of Roger Friedman's piece? WOLVERINE? FOX's policy?

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  • April 3, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    A Trick

    by StarQrtrs

    Sounds like a trick to me

  • April 3, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    String him up!

    by Lenny Nero

    Even if Fox doesn't do anything, the MPAA might.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Wolverine

    by kgerm

    Honestly, it's worse than X3 which is saying something. Damned if Hugh Jackman didn't try. Gambit isn't the total wash I thought he'd be but he shows up for the most ridiculous, pointless fight ever. And I'd be fine with Deadpool if they'd let any of the characters develop. Oh, and the 180 Sabretooth takes at the end = ludicrous. It's Wolverine without balls.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Wolverine

    by kgerm

    Honestly, it's worse than X3 which is saying something. Damned if Hugh Jackman didn't try. Gambit isn't the total wash I thought he'd be but he shows up for the most ridiculous, pointless fight ever. And I'd be fine with Deadpool if they'd let any of the characters develop. Oh, and the 180 Sabretooth takes at the end = ludicrous. It's Wolverine without balls.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Easier to Understand then DK = Made for Morons

    by robotdevil

    Tremendously more emotional = better turn off your brain or you'll pissed off. This movie is a shitbomb waiting to happen and we all know it. Nice try Fox.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Embrace It

    by Autodidact

    Even though I haven't downloaded a movie since 2000 when I used to use the fucking Hotline network, The movie studios need to embrace the idea that most people treat downloading movies like a test drive. If they really like the movie they'll recommend it to friends, possibly buy the blu-ray or go check it out on the big screen. A lot of people treat it like free movies, yes, and those people generally don't spend a whole lot of money on their entertainment in the first place. Most people I know who download movies also have a huge stack of DVDs and Blu-rays..

  • April 3, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Wolvy 2

    by kgerm

    The opening running through all the wars was pretty decent.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Run and tackle 3X

    by Jersquall

    Wolverine and his brother get this running start at eachother not once, not twice but three times in this movie. It was lame each time. X3 was better from this current mess. Hey don't hate! Fox's soon to be unimployed basically gave me the go ahead to see it. Let them take me to court. Harry is my witness!

  • April 3, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Don't worry, Fox is collapsing from the inside as we speak.

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

  • April 3, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Ah Harry

    by 2LeggedFreak

    If I didn't know already that you were American, your total lack of understanding of the word irony on any level would be a give away. 1) Its Ironic that YOU are having a go at soembody for watching a rough draft 2) Friedmans article is in no way condoning the fact that you can download this stuff..you see he understands irony. Oh and Moriarty's angry is he...well that's a new one.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Something is up. the entire thing has been so fishy.

    by Silverglade

  • April 3, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Economically encouraged

    by akirakid

    In this climate, the film studios have made it an economical reality to download movies. Why would I pay $20 for two people to see a new release movie in a theater when I can A) download it for free or B) wait 3 months and buy it for $16.99 and watch it in the comfort of my own home? With the availability of high quality home theater, why would anyone ever want to go to the theater again. I understand it is a totally different experience but the economics of it just sucks. And then if you get a family going, you might as well just kiss $100 bucks good-bye once you hit the concession stand. Who can afford to go the cinema anymore?

  • April 3, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    IF I'd seen Wolverine

    by Cedar_Room

    just like Fox News Doucheface, I would say it was OK at the beginning but unravels to a rather unsatisfying conclusion. Overall enjoyable but probably going to benefit from the re-shoots. Not that I would download a film in such a way because piracy clubs baby seals to death using cancer.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Fuck FOX

    by vini77

    24 and House are the only decent things coming out of Fox. Fuck them. I wouldn't care if the company went bankrupt.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    The person who leaked Wolvernine was...

    by atalcot

  • April 3, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    ...a spy for Warner Bros

    by atalcot

    Revenge for fucking with Watchmen

  • April 3, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Harry , your hypocrisy is astounding

    by bigbaldpapa

    Is it ok to post images from films "until they get pulled from the internets"? One of the main reasons I started coming here was the occasional juicy bit of spoilery material that is happened upon. You guys often post images or links to images that you admit that are not supposed to be for our viewing and will be taken down as soon as they are found. That you have no problem with. Where does the line get drawn? We all know of your hatred torwards anything conservative. We learned that this last election cycle with your less-than-inept political reporting. You are just taking this opportunity to spew venom at FOX when your website itself is guilty of hosting stuff that is not supposed to be meant for our consumption.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Friedman's a tool...

    by Godzookys_Dead

    ...and we all knew it the moment we read his "review". "Easier to understand" and "more emotional" the The Dark Knight... give me a god damn break! And he should be prosecuted the same way as anyone else downloading and watching the film.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    I really don't care

    by JuanSanchez

  • April 3, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Reminds Me of Sid Rosenberg On Imus...

    by Spaz Medicine

    He got on a national radio show and proclaimed that he had an illegal DirecTV card that got him all the channels for free. DirecTV promptly sued him. Can't the studios do the same thing here?

  • April 3, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    That's funny...

    by KidCthulhu

    The stills I saw online supposedly from the reshoots are from scenes in the leaked version...from what I've been told anyways, heh.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    I still haven't changed my mind...

    by Wungolioth

    I'm skipping out on Wolverine because X-3 left a bad taste in my mouth, The whole Watchmen debacle, and generally I just dislike Fox. I might rent it on DVD.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    MY THEORY

    by The InSneider

    Gavin Hood leaked this shit himself. A copy with no watermark? Hmmm.... interesting. His reputation has been hurt with all the problems during production, so maybe he figured he had nothing to lose from leaking it online early. Maybe he did it to get back at the studio (which stands to lose millions... although I don't think it'll really hurt the box office that noticeably) that fucked with his movie. Funny how silent he's been through this whole incident. Like Proyas, I don't think he'll ever work for Fox again. Fuck 'em.

  • April 3, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Easier to understand than DK = I'm a fucking retard.

    by FookU

    When there is no story of course it's easier to understand. What a fucking douchebag tool. How does someone that stupid get a job like that. And you're still a hypocrit Harry. You watched a workprint of AotC and reported on it so you really just need to stop talking.

  • April 3, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    Man is Fox bitter about Dark Knight.

    by jimmay

    Its deserved success and accolades apparently bother them to no end. It's not that hard, Fox. All you need to do is, wait for it, make a superhero movie that doesn't insult the viewers' intelligence. Is this really such an enigmatic formula?

  • April 3, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Harry have you talked to...

    by Nickn328

    Hugh Jackman about this? I know you two keep in informal communications, so I didn't know if either of you have talked to each other about it, it being a seemingly perfect discussion point given you refusing to run reviews.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    this aint the same "fox" from the 1970s...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    when they were just a movie studio - and alan ladd jr gave lucas what he needed to make a movie no other studio would touch

  • April 3, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    When is the film actually getting released?

    by jackalcack

  • April 3, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Fucking hilarious!!!

    by Gabba-UK

    Being from the UK I'm only vaguely aware of Roger Friedman and what he does on Fox. Sorry. But if he keeps his job after this..... then we know that he comes from the same school of career advancement as Rothman graduated from. He's sucked Murdoch's cock, gargled and swallowed...... Then went back and asked 'Please Sir, may I have some more.'

  • April 3, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    well, yet another franchise ruined

    by i.baronvladimir

    because of a studio insisting on dumbing everything down for people. Why would a movie with Wolverine in it need a dozen or so more heroes alongside him and a dozen villains against him to make it work? Wolverine is interesting enough on his own, wasn't that the whole point of giving him his own movie? I am so fucking tired of multiple villains and multiple supporting characters in these films. One hero, one villain, for christ's sake. If you're going to have more you'd better know what the hell you're doing, because with the exception of TDK I can't think of a single superhero movie made better for more than 1 villain in it.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    keep in mind who this guys intended audience is...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... people that cant watch televised news unless all the female anchors look like porn stars - people that voted for bush twice - people that think obama is a muslim terrorist sympathizer that intends to wipe out capitalism and force people into fema camps after taking all of their guns - so who cares

  • April 3, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    and Fox sucks

    by i.baronvladimir

  • April 3, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Friedman Just knew it was not worth paying for!

    by Saen

    Though I will waste the $20 to watch it some lazy afternoon.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    What the fuck was so hard to understand in TDK?

    by MY_BLUE_PENIS

    Man, FOX is just awful. "The movie we need right now", what, because Box Office has been incredibly low? It's the highest it's been in a while...

  • April 3, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    X-Men Origins: The Ragin' Cajun Gambit

    by Jesiah

    Fox: Get to work on the above. Cut your losses on wolverine and get a hot blonde to play Belladonna, get Lacey Chabert to play Rogue, have a cameo by Anthony Hopkins as Magneto akin to what he did in MI2. Have it directed by Proyas, that way you can also kiss his ass for the anklegrabbing he had to endure during I Robot. If you get a decent director like Proyas saying the studio's changed for the better, it's a step in the right direction

  • April 3, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Harry..it's foxes property to do whatever the fuck they want wit

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    YOu still don't have that through your thick fucking skull yet do you, you jackocrite..serioulsy, grow the fuck up man

  • April 3, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Remember when your site did shit you just said you wont do

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    You are so full of fucking shit

  • April 3, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    bigbaldpapa, the lines should be drawn at...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... the unauthorized circulation of scripts and downloading entire unreleased films for free - im sure their are some other lines that need drawing - but the 2 i mentioned seem like big nonos to me

  • April 3, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    "Slightly better than X-3"?

    by Magnum Opus

    Are you fucking serious? That movie, while pretty bad, was watchable. Wolverine is basically a 2 hour episode of Heroes, only with less depth and more by-the-numbers plotting. It's that bad.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Easier to understand then 'TDK"= I'm a complete moron.

    by Evangelion217

    If you couldn't understand "TDK", then you're IQ is below 10. It's not hard to understand "TDK." And it's an extroadinary film. With that being said, Fox can eat all the dicks. I'm done with "Wolverine", and I'am not going to see it. I'll just save my money for "Terminator Salvation", and "Star Trek." I'll probably even see "Angels and Demons" at the matinee, for 6 bucks. :)

  • April 3, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    clusterfuck

    by TheExterminator

    this whole thing is just one big clusterfuck...what a joke

  • April 3, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    when Joker showed up at the hospital

    by smackfu

    I was like 'whoooaaa...what the hell? He's a NURSE? The Joker works in the health sector? Why would he be working for measly nurse money when he can just rob banks...so confusing...AND he's dressed up like a woman. First he's dressed like a man, now he's dressed like a woman? Did he get a sex change? damn, this film is confusing'.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I heard that there will be a screening tommorow...

    by The Dum Guy

    Yep, the admission fee is only fifty cents, but all the money gathered will be given to orphans who have AIDS.<br><br>I just say fuck Fox.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST

    so it's still pretty much fuck off

    by logicalnoise01

    for everyone fucked over by magnet on "let teh right one in"? Harrty get your fucking priorities straight. easily over 100k people get fucked on a DVD you recommended and you don't say a fucking word. FOX gets pissy because of their inner workings and some fox affiliate decides to review it and it's the holocaust. Fuck you harry.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Intellectual Property: the cure is worse than the disease

    by Dreamfasting

    The entertainment industry has created a culture in which snippits of sound, of pictures and story are the nouns and verbs with which we communicate. The Internet has blurred the line between conversation and publication. This has created a clash of culture between a business model and a communication medium.<BR><BR>As much as I like films and music and all that the industry has created, if I have to choose between commercial entertainment and freedom of speech, I'll give up all the movies and the music. Copyright law and its enforcement is morphing into a draconian system that is worse than the disease it cures.<BR><BR> *sigh* I hope that doesn't too much like a crazy-person anarchist rant. I still like my cool stuff to experience ... but just don't think the "property" model is going to work for entertainment much longer.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    HI HUGH. : )

    by alice 13

    i think you will rock in<p>wolverine <p>and i cant wait to go see it. <p> maybe you have a workout video you<p> might be able to send harry for us<p>to see how chiseled you are for the wolverine movie. that would be so <p>awesome.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Irony 2

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Harry you are now so scared of upsetting the staus quo with your buddies in movie land that you are more Corporate than the studios you used to generate cool news about. <p> <p> Fuck me, how long will it be before you are deriding some poor slob for having entertainment spies who give advance info on upcoming movies. <p> <p> <b> Lord what a sell out</b>

  • April 3, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    a business model and a communication medium

    by manifestchaos

    that's deep. but then again i'm pretty stoned.<br><br>fuck Fox

  • April 3, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    everytime liev schrieber runs on all fours

    by StrokerX

    should be taken out. Give gambit an accent. COMPLETELY redo Deadpool...and then talk to me.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    F Fox

    by Nivek666

    What a bunch of assholes.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Like I need their fucking permission.

    by brock landers baby

    Screw Fox.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    smackfu

    by RaveX

    nice... you made me laugh at 3am. that's quite an accomplishment.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    I love it everytime Harry posts one of these

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    His fat fucking hypocracy knows no boundaries anymore...oh sorry..oh and "fuck fox" (in my lemming retard drooling voice)..almost left that out

  • April 3, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    HOw many Flops

    by Phategod2

    can fox have before they go bankrupt

  • April 3, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    hypocracy = a type of gland disorder?

    by The Dum Guy

  • April 3, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Streisand Effect

    by enderandrew

    If you try to shush something up, you just get publicity for it. Why not run damage control and run with it? If people are discussing the work print, then at least throw out a positive review and hope for the best.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    "It exceeds expectations at every turn."

    by Amazing Maurice

    What. The. Fuck? <P> I've watched the leaked version and I can safely say its one of the biggest loads of utter fucking shite I have seen in years.<P> <P>SERIOUSLY.<P> <P>It's a fucking fugly mess of a movie. And no amount of "extra scenes" and "finished FX" is going to save this.<P>

  • April 3, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    JUST SELL THE FUCKING LICENSE BACK TO MARVEL

    by Phategod2

    cause you halfwits don't know what to do with it.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Fox OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T care if you download the film

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    So why are Harry & Co. getting on their holy-than-thou high horse and pooing those of us who do? Fox is simply laughing in your face at what such easier manipulated dupes you guys are.<p>Who released this workprint for everyone to see? Fox did. It got a whole lot of free publicity for this film that didn't already exist and created hype for all new footage that people who've seen the workprint will STILL go to the theatres to see in order to compare and contrast with.<p>This 'site is Hollywod's version of Pavlov's dogs and everyone knows it EXCEPT Harry. Sit Ubu, SIT! Good dog...

  • April 3, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    "What's the point? It's old information."

    by IndyCollector

    Ummm...most of what is posted on this site as "news" is old information.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    So Harry, where's the video of this D-bag?

    by ugh

    Did he say it live on tv or was it in print? Where is it?

  • April 3, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    deadpool got rapidly raped in the asshole

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    no amount of special fx and 14 mins of missing footage is gonna change what happens to him in the end. fuck you fox. fuck you rothman. i hope someone shoves a kinfe in your asshole and twists it around slowly but forcefully.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    deadpool got rapidly raped in the asshole

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    no amount of special fx and 14 mins of missing footage is gonna change what happens to him in the end. fuck you fox. fuck you rothman. i hope someone shoves a kinfe in your asshole and twists it around slowly but forcefully.

  • April 3, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    sabertooth climbing that building by the way??

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    GOD FUCKING AWFUL

  • April 3, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    The title alone keeps me from wanting to see it

    by IndyCollector

    X-Men Origins: Wolverine. What a lame fucking title. Just call it Wolverine for crap's sake. I'm surprised Fox isn't calling it XO: W. Does Fox honestly think when people go up to the box office they are going to say "One for X-Men Origins: Wolverine?"

  • April 3, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I cant wait to see what Deadpool will

    by Phategod2

    say about the movie yoiu he's going to comment on a future issue.

  • April 3, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    What wrong with how he climbed the wall???

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    It brought back fond memories of the 1970s Spider-Man TV show. :)

  • April 3, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    lol..who gives a fuck about Deadpool..

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    Get a fucking life you fucking crybabies.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    So now it's cool?

    by Mavra Chang

    We can say "Hey, we have reviews of this at www.mymavra.com." and everyhting is fine and dandy? <p> Excellent!

  • April 3, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    I hear ya Jimmy Joe

    by bigbaldpapa

    I am a bigtime conservative and even I don't buy into all of the crap on FOX or anywhere else. It has been shown in the past that Harry is a big Lib (no pun intended) and he is salivating at the chance to bash right-leaning FOX for something yet on his own site he will post links to leaked scripts, images or whatever. It is pure hypocrisy at best.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Harry are you fucking serious

    by kenjinattix

    Do you honestly think these reshoots are gonna unfuck and unkill Deadpool? Because if they don't the movie sucks. Is the reshoots gonna unrelate Silver Fox to Emma Frost. Cuz if it doesn't the movie sucks. Is it gonna not have gambit be 10 years older than cyclops? Because if it doesn't the movie sucks? Is it gonna not have Sabertooth saving Wolverine? Because if it doesn't this movie will suck. AND SEEING THAT THE FUCKING COMMERCIALS STILL SHOW ALL THE STUPID SHIT WE SAW IN THE WORKPRINT, This movie will still suck. They could have a month of reshoots...unless they COMPLETELY CHANGE THE STORY AND ENDING...this movie WILL SUCK. Don't defend this shit Harry. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    I still love this site....

    by bigbaldpapa

    I just wish that politics (which this article is clearly about) would stay the fuck out.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Hypocritical...

    by quantize

    The reason Harry etc get on their high horses is because it bypasses their 'role' as internet publicists..

  • April 3, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    People are gonna download it anyway...

    by Han Cholo

    Even if they do see it in theaters. This movie's guaranteed to be number one, at least until Terminator comes out a few weeks later. Fox needn't worry, their collective asses are saved, hell, this could be a good move for them. Why not release screeners to the public like they do test screenings and have the people who watch them tell them what they do and don't like, everyone's a winner.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Who gives a Fuck about Wolverine

    by Phategod2

    its 2009 He hasn't been irrelevet for years.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Fox is owned by Murdoch...

    by crankyoldguy

    A living excuse for wealth re-distribution if there ever was one. He's a shithole of human being and doesn't care about others anywhere, anyplace. He supports hate-mongering and class oppression (and I am not a socialiast before anyone tries to day it). But I am pissed off by people like him, a good part of the Fox upper echelon and of course, the hacker, including TV hacker who can fuck with any form of Fox news gets my applaude. Download it, copy it for friends, who cars at this point? If it's actually good, those that are inspired will go see it in the theater. And I might be one of them. But screw Fox nonetheless. And Friedman? Yet another moron as an entertainment jounralist." There are a ton of them. Can you say Billy Bush (what a fucking turd) and that haven't they glammed her up blonde on what is, it Access Hollywood, and Julie-panties-in-a-bunch-on-E (is she still one). And of course, one of the luckiest no-talents in Hollywood, Ryan Cheesecrest. Ugh.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    What's So Hard To Understand About The Dark Knight?

    by thelordofhell

    A psychotic criminal with an unlimited stash of explosives and detonators and henchmen, robs a bank, wires two buildings to blow up, kidnaps a city prosecutor and his girlfriend, goes on a city wide chase and kills dozens of police just to get captured and put in a interagation room with the Batman, tells Batman about the two buildings he's going to blow up and who's in them, blows up the jail, blows up the buildings, makes sure the wrong person is rescued, makes sure that said wrong person is seriously injured and in a hospital, convinces said person that everything he has ever believed in is wrong and turns him into a villian, blows up hospital, burns untold millions of dollars, threatens to blow up more buildings, just so he can finally get the Batman, then gets beat up......that plot is so easy, even a caveman can write it.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    I meant Relavent

    by Phategod2

    You ask me Deadpool is a better character. Sadistic and funny beats Emo and angry all the time.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    LOL fox is bitter about dark knight and not having watchmen

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    but hey, theyve got dragonball? oh nevermind they shitted on that as bad as they did on x-men! what about fantastic four?? oh even worse you say!! well thats too bad! maybe rothman will reboot them over and over until he finally gets it right, which is never!! die!!

  • April 3, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Hey Crankyoldguy

    by IndyCollector

    Anyone who uses the phrase "class oppression" is a socialist. I "daid" it. Fuckin' Commie.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    That's what I thought.

    by Herb West

    That's exactly why I had no problem reviewing this work print at www.mymavra.com. For all we know, Fox leaked this themselves as a publicity stunt. Either way, it was the best thing that could have happened to this movie.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    I have a Question:

    by codymr

    if Wolverine is a prequel to first XMen film, how is it Sabertooth does not recognize Logan when they meet on the snowed highway at the beginning of the second act in X1? <P> Did I miss something in the workprint that explains this?

  • April 3, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    COLLECTOR...

    by crankyoldguy

    FUCK YOU until you've been thrown out of work one too many times, asshole. Pussy, I could kill you with my bare hands, I don't need your NRA gun, twit. But I'd kick you in the kidneys until you pissed blood. Big Bald and Revell too. Anytime, suck-ass.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    but you wouldn't

    by crankyoldguy

    coward

  • April 3, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    rothman doesnt understand tdk success

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    because all he sees is that the movie is over 90 mins, and to him theres no way it was a good movie!! must be shorter!! must cut budget in half!!

  • April 3, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    codymr-exactly whats wrong with this film

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    i knew they werent gonna explain that from the get go. if this was a star wars prequel lucas would say they knew each other through the force. but its not. so no one has a clue.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Karma for Watchmen fuckers.

    by JediRob

    Gonna watch and review on every blog tonight!

  • April 3, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Did you watch the post Credit scene

    by Phategod2

    I guess its alluding to a sequel in japan. But it was much lamer then the Nick Fury scene.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    The truth about everything...

    by calrabjohns

    I know skepticism is alive in these here threads, but I (someone who lives in a Pennsylvania suburb) has a friend of a friend who is close to the production. Here's what happened: Fox, knowing they had many problems with the film intentionally put out the workprint counting on fanbays pointing out every problem in multiple reviews. This is how they'll use the original and reshoot footage to make the best product possible. I watched the workprint, and for everyone with eyes, the person viewing it could tell that no FX shots were really placed yet. Those that were are most likely placeholders for the real ones. So the budget hasn't really been tapped into yet. To Harry, Beaks and Moriarty---I think it sucks because you three supported them so much. If anyone should be angry, it should be you guys.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    If Fox was smart....

    by Redfive!

    They would tell everyone to download it becuase its not the finished film they will see in the theatres.And they would put The Avatar trailer attached to it.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    And to the "I hate Rothman & Fox" crowd

    by ugh

    you are probably the same whiny bitches that said the same thing when Fox won the "Watchmen" settlement and how you were going to boycott Fox...then turned around and made the movie "Taken" a $137+ million domestic hit.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST

    moral issues

    by gotilk

    Seriously, educate yourselves about the history of the press, media, recorded music, etc. I'm sure a lot of you are up on film, but there's a LOT of historical precedent that takes this so-called "morality" argument as it applies to intellectual property and the advancement of technology and communications and flushes it straight into the sewer from which it came. Where it BELONGS.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST

    P.S.I Love how harrys...

    by Redfive!

    all on his high horse about this.A dude who i heard use to sell bootlegs and im sure has watched many bootlegs in his life.What a f***en hipocrite.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST

    But as an aside...

    by gotilk

    I wouldn't pull Friedman from a burning car if he was sitting on the fucking Mona Lisa.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I called this the other day

    by Cymbol

    Obviously a plant - no way someone working for Fox News would watch a downloaded/illegal copy of this movie and write a review on the website. It was so obviously damage control - and an INCREDIBLE insult to our intelligence. Just amazing. . .

  • April 3, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    that diddling feeling you guys are feeling..

    by gotilk

    in the backs of your heads...it's a hand. (let it sink in)

  • April 3, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    well...

    by cineninja

    ...now there's enough hypocrisy to go around....

  • April 3, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by RaveX

    what post credits scene are you talking about? <p> only thing my version had was army picking up stryker after he's been walking (and, let's pretend our IQ is above 13, swimming) for days and arresting him for the murder of that general. <p> though I agree that it was TOTALLY lame and unnecessary, I don't see what could it have to do with japan-bound sequel...

  • April 3, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    EXPLAIN TO ME HOW PEOPLE LOSE THEIR JOBS

    by VALENTINEproductions

    When you download a bootleg? Dont these people get paid when their jobs are done? I think it sucks when a person who works hard and earns whatever money they make, decides to take it easy one day and treats themselves and or their family to a night at the movies and then are dissapointed by what crap the movie turns out to be. I was someone waiting for this to be released and was planning on paying to see it. But the movie is shit and i'm glad i wont be spending my money now.Movies arent what they used to be.Even if a person has already seen a leaked film but enjoyed it, most likely their going to pay for it again anyway and buy the dvd.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Moral issue?

    by DarthBakpao

    Harry, you're such an hypocrite

  • April 3, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Deadpool isn't that bad

    by Kizeesh

    He's about as far removed from the comic character as Lady Deathstrike was in X-Men 2. <p> The sad thing is he's bang on the money until about halfway through the movie, but when he re-appears as Deadpool he's just a pile of re-worked re-imagined bollocks. Why do that to such a great character? why didn't thy just invent someone. A 4th wall breaking comedic Deadpool would have been much more fun.

  • April 3, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    i thought the nick fury scene was bad

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    and not ven well thought out seeing as the first thing you see is the cameraman. i noticed that in theaters and laughed my ass off. that scene felt so out of place...anyway i thought the after credits scene in wolverine would be him drinkin in that bar he did in x1 but wolverine is way in the past though right? what year to be exact bcause shouldnt cyclops be fuckin old then by the time x1 came around...weird

  • April 3, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Reshoots

    by PTSDPete

    Are NOT going to motherfucking fix what they've apparently ' done ' with Deadpool. There's fucking ACTION FIGURES already, for crying out loud ! ). </p>The story and direction IS the problem. Almost nobody is even talking about the damn effects ! Word is this stuff is so wretched it makes the unfinished stuff LOOK GOOD. </p></p> And why did that son-of-a-bitch shill felt like LAMBASTING THE DARK KNIGHT to prop up this bullshit ? Looks like a thousand more downloaders coming in for the next 45 minutes....</p>

  • April 3, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    ryan reynolds was perfect for the part

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    until the raping of deadpool took place

  • April 3, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Has anyone been prosecuted for downloading & watching Wolverine?

    by Amy Chasing

    Or was it only the person who leaked it? Or the server(s) that originally hosted it? Has anyone been prosecuted over this? And once it's on the torrent networks, can anyone still be prosecuted? Does anyone know?

  • April 3, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    There was another scene

    by Phategod2

    Although it might have been from X-3 cause the credits in mine were from X-3 b ut the Stryker scene was first then after the credits you see Wolverine in a japanese Bar saying to bar maid that he's "Drinking to Remember..." fade to black.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by Herb West

    Yeah, at first it looked like the bar Wolvie was in at the beginning of X-Men 1. I had the credits for X3 too, I thought that was weird.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    version I saw also had X3 credits

    by RaveX

    but no logan in japan scene. <p> huh, guess now I have a reason to go and watch it when it hits theaters... /end sarcasm <p> btw, not really sure if this is new or not (I haven't seen it yet), but imdb has TF2 roll call posted: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3175385856/tt1055369

  • April 3, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    The whole admantium lab should be re-done

    by Eclipse7015

    The 13 part comic story by Barry Windsor-Smith was fantastic. To take that whole series and make it literally 5 minutes in a film is criminal. 5 minutes to explain how he got adamantium and escape???? What are they thinking?

  • April 3, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    I don't think Deadpool is

    by Series7

    Even in the movie anymore. I mean they don't mention his name in the laundry list of all the different characters that are going to be in the movie. He doesn't have a link on the site, I'm pretty sure they just cut him out or made him some normal dude. That or Fox is trying to act like Deadpool is some big surprise since his Comic is so popular right now.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    this just proves my point

    by oisin5199

    Only giant douchebags pirate films.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I think they can only improve the movie...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...it was pretty good even in that raw form.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Does anyone really listin to Fox news?

    by Series7

    Oh whats that? <P> Really? <P> Number 1 cable news station. <P> Wow I guess we are a dumb nation.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by FuckMichaelBay

    There is no way he's not in it anymore. Deadpool is definitely in it.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    If you think thats bad

    by Series7

    The fucking theater down the street had on their internet schedule and on the billboard that Conan was playing there on Thursday night! BUT no fucking Wednesday was the last day. Fucking liars I missed it. I missed the chance to see one of the best movies ever on the big screen. FUCK. Now that's a travesty.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    the final version w be MUCH BETTER

    by CENOBITE

    Even I could edit this into a better film.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Friedman is a piece of shit and so is Fox

    by wash

    Friedman has bee righting crap columns for years. He's Fox's useful idiot.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah,

    by Herb West

    I don't see how they could take the whole Deadpool character out with only a couple of weeks of reshoots.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    All I want to know is if the reshoots fixed Deadpool

    by PornKing

    I haven't seen the movie yet, but I heard the same things Harry did about how horrible Deadpool's portrayal is. If Harry's talked to the producer, what does he say?

  • April 3, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    @VALENTINEproductions

    by robotdevil

    People lose their jobs because if the bootlegging cuts into the profitability of the movie the studios are less inclined to make similar investments in the future and thus the people who work on it will have less opportunity to work. Yeah, it won't happen because a few bootlegs on one film, but just go ask anyone in (what's left of) the music industry about what bootlegs can do to your industry and livelihood.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    DL at your own risk

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    http://tinyurl.com/dk7k8d<p> "FBI Seizes All Servers In Dallas Data Center"<p> "FBI agents have raided a Dallas data center, seizing servers at a company called Core IP Networks. The company's CEO has posted a message saying the FBI confiscated all its customer servers, including gear belonging to companies that are almost certainly not under suspicion. The FBI isn't saying what it's after, but there are reports that it's related to video piracy, sparking unconfirmed speculation that the probe is tied to the leaking of Wolverine."

  • April 3, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Questions

    by Herb West

    I have no idea of Deadpool outside of this work print. Was there ever a time in the comics that he had all the powers of the mutants like Torch in FF2? Was he ever a zombie terminator?

  • April 3, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, I wonder....

    by The Dum Guy

    When will the DVD riffs hit the street?

  • April 3, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Deadpool

    by Phategod2

    Joined Weapon X because he had Terminal Cancer They gave regenerative Property, and Agility like Wolverine and Teleportaion. He's like joke Character he's very funny and he often Breaks the 4th wall Meaning he talks to the audience and knows he's just a comic book character.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Also he's horribly disfigured

    by Phategod2

    and his face is always covered.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    SO FOX'S OWN PEOPLE ARE PIRATING MOVIES

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Paramount needs to sic the FBI on Fox. Fuck Fox.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Trust me...no matter what they say...

    by wacko3205

    This is the worst possible movie they could have made. It is terrible...they ruined Deadpool, Gambit is about as Cajun as a Bojangle's biscuit, the dialogue is so ridiculous that it is worthy of Dawson's Creek fame (yeah I've seen the Creek!!!), & I shit you not...it's 10 times worse than X3. They explain erasing Logan's...scuse me Jimmy's memories with an adamantium bullet to the brain. What is he? A gotdam werewolf by default or some shit. No lie...it's pathetic.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Melvin_Pelvis

    by Herb West

    Holy Fuckin Shit. Did you read this? <p> Simpson closed his online letter with the statement, "If you run a datacenter, please be aware that in our great country, the FBI can come into your place of business at any time and take whatever they want, with no reason."

  • April 3, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    phaedrus007

    by Amy Chasing

    and yet the music industry is still going. Especially now that they've essentially embraced stuff like iTunes and having online stores (which most people use). <P> We could do the usual back and forth with this argument, but it's been done to death. The big question is does the industry think prosecuting people will help, or will changing the way they market and make-available their products be better for business? My perspective: making things illegal has never stopped people from doing it.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    MAYBE SOMEONE WAS UPLOADING KIDDIE PORN ONTO CORE IP SERVERS

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    I highly doubt they would shut down the whole data center and confiscate so many servers over a Wolverine workprint. <P>

  • April 3, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by Herb West

    So what was the whole deal with the embalming process? Is he only the walking dead in the movie/work print?

  • April 3, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    OMFG DEADPOOL TALKS TO THE AUDIENCE?!?!?

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Tell me you're joking!!! BWEAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!

  • April 3, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Oh...& about Deadpool...

    by wacko3205

    One of the most amazing parts of the movie is the small amount of screen time that has to do with Ryan Reynolds as Wade Wilson. Reynolds busts into his scene full of the normal banter & cockiness that we’ve all come to love from Deadpool. He comes out with two razor edged samurai swords & the reflexes to deflect & slice bullets in half as he wire flips from floor to ceiling. While a lot of the action is 100% neck breaking near orgasmic fun…the film is constantly compromised by some of the most ridiculous dialogue you may ever hear. That being said…the acting is top notch for such bullshit dialogue. No lie...one of the most laughable points of the film (& there are many) comes from a Wilson & Stryker scene. Just prior to a free for all Stryker tells Wade Wilson that “If you didn’t have that mouth on you, Wade, you’d be the perfect assasin.” Now while that doesn’t sound so bad…the end of the film reveals a newly made Weapon 11/aka: Wade Wilson/aka: Deformed Deadpool with a stitched up mouth courtesy of William Stryker. The irony is almost stomach turning…but if that aint enough…try Wolverine going to war with said mouth less baddie only to spout out “Well Wade…I see Stryker finally shut you up!” Oh my. Out pop the samurai swords from his wrists like Wolvie's claws & they battle to the near death...with Wolvie on the losing end only to be saved by Sabertooth who belts out : "Brother's look out for each other!" CORNY LIKE A COB!!!

  • April 3, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Friedman's a catty hack

    by Charlie_Allnut

    He routinely refers to movies starring people he doesn't like as "bombs" even if they make 100 plus million dollars. I was shocked as well when I read his column, Fox needs to have a consistent message on this, either its ok or its not.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    They will never stop online piracy.

    by Herb West

    Ever.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Why fuckup Deadpool like that?

    by fiester

    Doesn't anyone at Fox realize how popular the character is? That is handled correctly they could have a really fun, smart, surreal,crazy action franchise featuring Deadpool? <p> And why does Fox have Deadpool anyway? Where's the line between which characters they own and which belong to Marvel? Does Fox own the rights to every mutant ever to appear in a Marvel comic?

  • April 3, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    ChaimBenSexyback

    by Herb West

    Yeah, no shit. There has to be something more to it than that.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Herb West

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    I'm sure they had a reason, and it will probably come out in the future.<p> They're probably in the process of an audit trail to find out who the original seeders were and who was providing tracking.<p> I bet the FBI followed a trail there, went there asking for info on who owned what servers.<br> Data center guy said something like *this is America and I don't have to tell you*<br> FBI goes and gets some supeonas, cam back and seized everything but the wall sockets.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    LINK WAS PULLED FROM FOX NEWS - WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

    by buzzdiggity

    i just went to fox news and saw that the link was pulled ... seems like this totally complicates the situation... i mean, why in the world would Fox (Studio) post a favorable review and take it down - dont say such that they could get the attention of AICN (though I love AIC) .... THIS WAS CLEARLY NOT a ploy for positive word of mouth.. if it was, it sucked. i think this is just a case of fox news being a little too fair and balanced (*cough) for their own good. and btw, i am now f-ing pumped to see this movie!!!!!!!!

  • April 3, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    i've pirated movies, cuz i'm a thief. but at least im not a liar

    by BMacSmith

    some of the moronic excuses you people come up with for justifying stealing shit is laughable. just admit you want shit or free and no one can stop you.<p> and if any of you fuckers say "i buy the movie that i pirated if its good" is full of shit and i will call you a liar to your fucking face.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    And

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    the kiddie porn aspect is also a possibility, as is terrorists sites.<p> We just don't have all the info yet.<p> Hopefully some reporter will stay on the story and keep us informed.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Melvin_Pelvis

    by Herb West

    Yeah, I can totally see that happening. Still fucked up though.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    No way is this leak a rouse

    by Magnum Opus

    Seriously. If you'd seen this cut you'd know that Fox wouldn't want ANYONE to see this debacle.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Maybe he wants to get fired

    by CherryValance

    so he can get stimulus money? *shrug*

  • April 3, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    this is getting repetitive

    by donkeyskills

    It's fine that you play by the rules and try not to incur the wrath of the industry people that feed you occasional exclusives, but whining about other people not following the rules just smacks of sour grapes.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    I thought that was Ryan Reynolds...

    by moonlightdrive

    in the trailer. Casting him in an action/comic book movie is a joke.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    One shill commenting on another ...

    by DawgScribe96

    C'mon, Harry. After the Beaks ban and the AOTC re-memories from users on this site, wouldn't it be better if you just sat on the sidelines, shut the heck up and waited for that next press junket to a crap film whose stars you always wanted to hobnob with? This site was better when it was a collection of outsiders looking in. Now you're just another sprocket in the corporate wheel. Cheers.

  • April 3, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Wolverine R5 releases May 28 in Russia so..,

    by FookU

    A theater cut will be released with English audio sometime before or just after May 28th 2009.

  • And also FREE test market research. And yeah, that Fox "review" was a new low. It was pathetic even by Fox standards.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Anyway...

    by Herb West

    If anybody gets bored of this shit they should check out www.mymavra.com. It's the website about 20 of us talkbackers started. We're always looking for more contributors if you have what it takes.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    HerbW

    by Phategod2

    I think that was for the movie where they giving him Adamantium but HE does not have Adamantium in his bones or swords in his Knuckles or Ruby based laser Vision. Ryan Reynolds was perfect casting they just underused him.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I want a Beaver movie instead. wolverines are lame

    by BMacSmith

    Wynona's Big Brown One.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    but seriously, is this the Red Dawn sequel i've heard about?

    by BMacSmith

    WOLVERINES!

  • April 3, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Eat shit Friedman

    by kafka07

    everything Fox touches turns to shit. I'm skipping this movie and seeing Star Trek.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Interesting

    by Herb West

    But could he cut apart and deflect flying bullets with his sword? That is the question.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Is it just me or is...

    by MainMan2001

    Sasha Grey not only one of the hottest chicks in porno but anywhere. I just found out her two greatest influences in life are Godard and David Bowie!! I love this girl.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Herb West I'm not sure if he could or not but

    by FookU

    Deadpool is fucked with a broken off broomstick in this movie.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    BALLS OUT!

    by Ass Lesson

    Funniest script I've read in a LONG time. Some pretty big writers think so too. Check it out at www.therobotard8000.com

  • April 3, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool...

    by wacko3205

    Anyone that see's this smokin' butterbean encrusted turd of a flick will most likely suckit up & admit that Reynolds was perfect casting for the Wade Wilson role & would have nailed a legit Deadpool bit. Deadpool's a bit of a cocky joker...& Reynolds pulls that out all natural. The few lines that he uttered & that snarky smirk he wore for the duration of the film was perfect. They should have let Deadpool be Deadpool & not turned him into a sword popping deformed version of a Wolverine/Mimic mash up. This film could have been fantastic & they could have banked a good Deadpool movie or franchise start...had they not decapitated him. What a waste.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    "I thought that you were my moon...& I was your Wolverine..."

    by wacko3205

    LAMEST LINE EVER!!! NUFF SAID.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    AVATAR NEWS: (SPOILERS)

    by MY_BLUE_PENIS

    So the Fast and Furious chick was talking in an interview and revealed she dies in the end...hey, it's something right? Where the hell are the posters for this thing?

  • April 3, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Harry you actually expect us to believe...

    by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI

    That you haven't watched this? Please, we aren't all dumb, naive Texans.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    UM, HELLLLOOOO... FOX KILLED THE LINK! NOT A PLOY

    by buzzdiggity

    http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=6634 wake up commenters! obviously not a ploy

  • April 3, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    FOUND A LINK HERE

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    haha..as all you "fuck Fox" douchebags open the comment.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    It was reviewed on http://lagtv.com last night.

    by Orionsangels

  • April 3, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    So did it NUKE THE FRIDGE ?

    by lanalangsucks

    Well?

  • April 3, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY WOLVIE!!!?!?!?!?!

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Wolvie!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  • April 3, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Fire Friedman

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Harry - they ought to fire the guy. It's repulsive.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    It Nuked the Fridge

    by Phategod2

    Jumped the Shark, Saved the Cheerleader, And screwed the pooch.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST

    In the Video game He could delfect bullets

    by Phategod2

    not sure about the comic. another good Deadpool related Comic is Agent X good stuff.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Right, Harry. You "heard" fans say.........

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    Because as we all know, you haven't "watched" it yourself, and don't "think" it's wretched. You only "heard" people say it was.Right. <p> <p> Someone please remind me, again, is it hypocrisy or irony when one corporate shill uses his site to lambast another corporate shill for shilling on his own playing field? <p> And of course Harry, we also "really" believe you when you state that the only reason you wouldn't allow reviews is because you care about all those crew members who stand to lose from this movie losing money from the leak. I mean, why else would you make sure to let us know that the word of mouth so far (as far as you've "heard", anyway) for this leak is.......what was the word again?....Wretched? I'm sure the crew is loving that.<p> Mmmmm........Shilling......it tastes real good.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Two news stories about this?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Is this worth the hype?

  • April 3, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Oh My!

    by raystevensonwarzone

    Has this offended thy delicate sensibilities?

  • April 3, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Just cause they decapitated him doesn't

    by bottombrick

    make him dead. Deadpool has been ripped to pieces, returned to his clients in a box via UPS, and blown to fuck before he could still grow back. Seriously though, tell me more about how they fuck up Deadpool he was my favorite character

  • April 3, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Him and Magneto, who they made geriatric

    by bottombrick

  • April 3, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Hey Magnum Opus?

    by Bootskin

    What the fuck is a rouse?

  • April 3, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Herb West

    by Bootskin

    Sorry man. I like your moxie, but the two positive reviews on your site for this movie makes anything you have to say completely invalid. Fuck yeah I saw it. And it sucked. Bad.

  • April 3, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    fiester

    by Rufferto

    I can't answer your question but Marvel is supposedly "pitching" Cable so Fox doesn't own that. Yeah it makes no sense. Incidentally that would make one awful movie.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    I loved the workprint

    by GregoryHarbin

    It needs a lot of work, sure, but I've confident they've done that work. I really look forward to seeing the finished film in theaters.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    They Sewed his mouth shut

    by Phategod2

  • April 3, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Roger Friedman has written a confession of a crime...

    by Leafar the Lost

    ...so FOX must alert the authorities and have this man immeaditely arrested for downloading a pirated movie. There can be no exceptions and no mercy.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    BMacSmith

    by gotilk

    phht.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Marvel hates Fox, too!

    by Zardoz

    Marvel wants the license back on the X-Men so bad. They hate X3 and Wolvie, too...

  • April 3, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    sewig is mouth shut seems like a pretty goog gag

    by bottombrick

    he is kind of like a stooge or ash from evil dead, except the gags can go a little further cause you can gore the hero, slapsticky shtick like sewing his mouth shut would be funny, does it suck because he is just completely humorless for the rest of the movie after that?

  • April 3, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Zardoz

    by Phategod2

    How do you know. Not That I dont believe But I actually love to hear what Marvel Actualy feels about How Fox and Sony have used there licensed characters.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    he only has 2 scenes

    by Phategod2

    When it's revealed he's "The Big Bad" he mouth is gone and there absolutely no more humor exuding from him of course cause cant talk he's basicly Night crawler, Wolverine, and Cyclops rolled into one.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    this must be a joke

    by RobertCrane

    There is no way in fucking hell 14 or 20 minutes could change what I have seen of this steaming pile of shit. Wolverine living in 1845? His brother is Sabretooth? Bone claws? What the fuck is going on? Did some 12 year old grab the camera and start filming? And what they did to Deadpool had to be a joke. Why would Hugh Jackman sign off on this unless that check was cashed and he bought his G5 already?

  • April 3, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    i loled hard at smackfu's post about being confused...

    by Warcraft

    at what the joker was doing at the hospital dressed like a female nurse. that was some funny fucking shit.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Bootskin

    by Herb West

    I did like the movie, as an unfinished product, but you can plainly see I said it wasn't a great movie and pointed out the worst parts of it. It was way better than what I expected it to be. If you didn't like it, I can understand why, but that's the whole point of sharing information and opinions. Your statement about my opinions being invalid just because I reviewed it doesn't make any sense at all and you know it.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Well Actually

    by Phategod2

    Wolverines Real name is Jame Howelett, we was born in the mid 1800's and he did think Sabertooth was brother for a time. this revealed the origin comic that came out 2 years ago.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Amy Chasing

    by robotdevil

    Yes the music industry is still going, but it is a fraction of what it once was. Things like Itunes have kept alive, but it's more like life-support than actual life. I didn't actually mean to treat the issue of whether making something illegal stops someone from doing it (does anyone alive really believe it does?) --- I was just responding to someone who asked that the connection between bootlegging and the loss of jobs be explained. Cheers.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    I find Fox's behavior

    by MY_BLUE_PENIS

    really funny. When are they firing this guy?

  • April 3, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Even Fox's press releases are poorly written. . .

    by jimmay

    "Whether the review is good or bad" is a poor choice of wording. Upon first reading, it inspires confusion as to whether their opinion stands whether the review was positive or negative towards their movie, or if they mean whether the review was well or badly written.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Awww Jes. Sus Wept.

    by Herb West

    I just noticed the update. Do we really need any more self righteous melodrama about this? All this does is prove my point that the free publicity they are now getting because of this whole fiasco is priceless.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST

    The ending with Wolverine in Japan...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Is at the VERY END of the workprint after the slapped-on X-3 credits. AFTER the 2nd ending with Stryker walking on the road being stopped by the MPs.<p>So, the film ends, WOLVERINE credits start rolling, Stryker clip, X-3 credits roll and at the END of the X-3 credits, a scene with Wolverine in a Japanese bar with a barmaid in heavy "geisha" makeup who looks about as Asian as Kristen Kreuk. In other words, not very Asian.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    'Agree with Moriarty" ?!???!!

    by MaxTheSilent

    Fuck you, fat cunt!! Moriarty actively encouraged people to download a leaked workprint of THE HULK a few years ago. Do you forget that!?! Then ban me you hypocritical cunt. This shit has been AICN's bread-and-butter since it began. You fat corporate whore!!

  • April 3, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    I like the righteous indignation from Harry and Moriarty

    by Photoman

    You know both of these guys have seen the workprint...in fact this entire site was built on the leaked info and scripts and things of that nature. It's only when Harry and the other guys here were smooooozed by the studios and then made their bitches that they started this indignation bullshit. I'm not condoning the piracy or downloading this at all, just calling bullshit to these guys hypocrisy. I mean, come on...

  • April 3, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I Told You This Was A Publicity Stunt By Fox!

    by Media Messiah

    They were, and are, just looking to get some media attention for Wolverine, hence they leaked it themselves, and pretended to be victims!

  • April 3, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    In other news, FOX news rewrites history and censors itself

    by The Shyster

    not saying they're the only web-site/cable channel that does this, but at least CNN & MSNBC make their mistakes & retractions visible<p> FOX is intent on rewriting their own history, especially when guys like Freidman, or even O'Reilly or Beck, stick their feet in their collective mouths.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Hypocrites? Really?

    by robotdevil

    For all of those lashing out at Harry and Moriarity as hypocrites because in the past they've reviewed work prints and now condemn it... have you never considered that maybe they've just grown up a little and learned from their mistakes? A hypocrite a person who isn't practicing what they preach... but I always thought that those things had to misalign at the same time... A guy drinking a beer who says that drinking beer is bad is a hypocrite. But a recovered alcoholic trying to warn you from making the same mistakes he did... not so much. Do you all really believe that people can't... you know... change their minds about things? Evolve morally? Forget it... I forgot where I was for a moment there... continue mindless ravings.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    going to the theater is a shitty experience

    by HaterofCrap

    people on cell phones, people with their babies...people with bad breath, people with gas... people talking...people jamming you in between them....loud breathing...once a kid fucking fell asleep on my shoulder... so creepy. im not saying steal movies, but a new method of delivery should be devised.

  • April 3, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Oh wait, what's this? Hey, it's the review. Well, lookee here...

    by The Shyster

    http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3306/ fuckfoxwolverine.jpg<p> as always, just hit backspace where needed (in front of fuck ;)

  • April 3, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Yours, through the magic of cached pages & digital trails

    by The Shyster

    Eat it, Rothman.

  • April 4, 2009, midnight CST

    Fire the prick

    by aversiontherapy2

    If not for the act of downloading the film then just for being so stupid as to admit it on a Fox web site. What a moron.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    The Shyster

    by Herb West

    Good job, man.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Not sure this has ANYTHING to do with FOX News...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    But it sounds like Shyster's upset that FOX News has been kicking CNN and MSNBC's collective butts for the past several years, regardless of who's in charge up in Washington.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    hey folks, Harry here!

    by HARRYKNOWLES_HEMORRHOIDSLAPBAND

    You people calling me a hypocrite are redundant. <p> You should all know by now that I'm just a studio asskisser with not an ounce of integrity in his fat bloated body, but not a hypocrite! And good luck getting me to admit to it here! Oh sure, I'll pop in talkbacks once in a while with my fancy black box to answer some trivial comments, but I never have the balls to do it when the idiots that populate the talkbacks call me out on my corporate sellout bullshit. <p> Meanwhile, have a great weekend, and I hope you all enjoy the next amusing and informative video of the lovable Scriptgirl!

  • April 4, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Easier to understand than DK?

    by Creative1

    Anyone that had difficulty understanding The Dark Knight should be allowed to review a movie. Hell, they should be allowed to SEE a movie.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Fox should have nothing to worry about

    by Lord Elric

    After giving this guy his sign. Seriously, I don't know what's going on with Deadpool, but everything I've seen on this looks absolutely terrific! Seriously, the WOLVERINE parts look fantastic!

  • April 4, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    RobertCrane about 1845 and Bone Claws.

    by FookU

    Both of those things are canon in the comic book. Wolverine is old as hell and I think the bone claws came from when Magneto stripped the adamantium off of his body although it seems like he only had two bone claws.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:19 a.m. CST

    MaxTheSilent

    by drew mcweeny

    You are 100% wrong. It was the other way around. I refused to publish any reviews of the "Hulk" workprint, too, and got called names for it then as well. But keep pretending you know something you don't, little boy. It's cute.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Creative1

    by emteem

    Please tell me you misunderstand the difference between should and shouldn't in your comment.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Lord Elric this movie is a fucking turd.

    by FookU

    I don't know what you've seen but this movie fucking sucks and would only be better if they re-wrote it and reshot the whole fucking movie.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Hey Moriarty admit that you've all seen this workprint.

    by FookU

    Because we know most if not all of you have. Either way this movie is gonna tank and hopefully Marvel can get the rights to these characters back.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    this could't be a ploy to spur interest.. no, never!

    by MurderMostFowl

    Geez, I know a bunch of people are calling this faux news, but the only thing I want to add is that of course the statment that Beaks was given from Fox is patently false about the relationship between the two companies <BR><BR> They're both subsidiaries of News Corp, and there can be no doubt that one receives direct advertising revenue from the other and vice versa with broadcast rights. <BR><BR> I was going to compare it to NBC and GE, but GE actually has real products in other business sectors. <BR> ANy news is good news, right FOX?

  • April 4, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    And yet TheRealMoriarty

    by emteem

    You guys never actually have the fucking integrity to actually address the fact that publish test screening revies, script reviews, early screenings, etc.<p>You fucking beg for scripts in articles that are posted then review them then say I'm not going to discuss this plot twist because you, the pathetic reader, should see it as intended in the finished product because although our entire careers are based upon seeing, reading, and judging things in advance what's good for the goose is definitely not good for the gander. <p>Come down off your fucking high horse.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    AICN are a bunch of complete fucktards

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    then how about AICN staff being brought up on charges for every photo they posted that was leaked, or script or ANYTHING...you fucking people are all retarded.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by emteem

    I need to change the batteries in my wireless keyboard apparently.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    If people see the workprint a boycott won't be necessary.

    by FookU

    Because no one would pay to see 15 more minutes of this shitty movie.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:25 a.m. CST

    THIS FUCKING WEBSITE WAS BUILT ON SHIT LEAKING

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

  • April 4, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    My typos aside

    by emteem

    None of that changes the fact that you are indeed a hypocrite Drew. Harry makes you look like you have integrity and Beaks... well that dude is just a giant douchebag.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    I apologize...

    by emteem

    ...for posting like 4 times in 5 minutes and, again, for posting at all because we all know Harry, Drew, Eric, and the rest have no leg to stand on, but will never honestly confront their own hypocrisy.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    It's only OK if it leaks to the elite movie news sites.

    by FookU

    Here's the deal AICN and McWeeny. The movie got leaked and it fucking sucks. If it were a good movie people would pay to see the finished product. Since it's shit people will either see the workprint or here the bad buzz from people who did. This can only be good news as they might lose enough money to let the rights revert to Marvel. It's win-win.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    damage control

    by cifra

    they can't fire Friedman who obviously was told to write that piece... if they fire him, they'll run into bigger shit. And noone that truly love movies wouldn't be interested in watching that workprint and then compare it to the final result. But obviously, they should watch it AFTER the finished product.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Let's talk about the economy

    by The Dum Guy

    It sucks

  • April 4, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

    by yorickfinn

    If Fox is telling the truth that Mr. Friedman is a freelancer, not an employee, then calls for Fox to fire him are unnecessary. Prosecute him, sure. Make an example of him, absolutely. But you don't fire a freelancer. You just stop using him. Maybe that's splitting rhetorical hairs, but if we're going to be angry and demand changes, let's make them rational ones.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    AICN - McCarthyism at its best

    by Loosejerk

    I don't care who the fuck watched a dl'd movie and reviewed it...if AICN published it, they'd protect him. Calling for his job? You guys are the finest of douches. Where is the Cartuna image of Harry with the "I Heart McCarthy" in the upper left-hand corner?

  • April 4, 2009, 12:41 a.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty

    by HARRYKNOWLES_HEMORRHOIDSLAPBAND

    you, sir, need to shut the hell up and go back to writing your lame articles for your lame non-AintItCool site.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    "Moriarty just rang me up spitting and pissing mad"

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    That D-Bag has serious anger issues. Get over yourself, McWeeny nobody cares if you've gotten your knickers into a bunch (AGAIN!) trying desperately to inject your enormous bloated ego into every hot-button, attention-getting issue that comes down the tube, you self-righteous wanker.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:44 a.m. CST

    I DOWNLOADED IT AND FOX WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER CENT OFF ME!!!

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    Rupert Murdoch is a modern day William Randolph Hearst, a tycoon who has used his status as a media baron to pollute the USA with nothing but right wing lies on Fox News which isn’t a news organization but a propaganda machine for the Republican party, their warping of the truth and subversion of democracy. As for 20th Century Fox, it’s no wonder that the studio is tanking when it’s being run by the same type of frat boys like the one that stole the 2000 election and ran the worlds economy into the fucking shitter. So, download Wolverine, burn it to disk, give copies out and that goes for every fucking movie that Fox puts out. Do whatever you can to fuck over this studio, the retarded monkey’s that run it and the fascist cocksucker who owns it.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    So Moriarty...

    by MaxTheSilent

    You DIDN'T post the link to where people could download the HULK workprint. Lying cunt!

  • April 4, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST

    You want to know why Fox is "On top" in cable news ratings?

    by Robstar

    Because people like to be afraid!

  • April 4, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

    by one_guy_from_andromeda

    Jesus, i'm really getting pissed off at you guys, especially Beaks. You basically want to see a guy FRY for doing something this entire site is BASED on, you holyer than thou pricks. I really don't get it. <p> Here's my review of Wolverine, so you can rat me out to the man and have me castrated for breaking the LAW!<p><p> IT'S SHIT<p><p> Idiots. Oh, and Beaks: fuck you.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Anytime something is "just wrong" or

    by gotilk

    "just bad".. it means the person calling it that obviously already knows the issue is more complicated than they've let on. But keep taking that stand! <br> <br> Hey, I know if I was running a studio and I had a choice between blaming the economy/bad business decisions OR piracy for having to lay off workers... I'd probably be a big pussy too and blame the :pirates: . And then I could get some of them a weekend's work shilling our anti-filesharing tripe for a commercial. <br> <br> "hey, Frank.. that personal assistant over there doesn't look *laborey* enough, stick a hard hat on him and give him a wider belt."

  • April 4, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    OH! and.. still haven't downloaded or watched it

    by gotilk

    .. never will.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    MaxTheSilent...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... call me all the names you want, but you're wrong. I have never posted a link to download a movie on AICN. Ever. <P>And I'm sorry you don't understand the issue here, but I expect nothing less from the venomous thick-headed dolts who have taken over the talkback from the people who used to actually be able to engage in a conversation. The issue has been explained clearly and succinctly. If you choose to make it about anything other than Friedman's actions and the stated policies of 20th Century Fox regarding ANYONE WHO PIRATES THEIR MATERIAL, then you fail at comprehension completely. Not remotely a surprise.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    And to be clear...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... viva la Memflix. That should explain this if you still aren't getting it. Consistency is all we ask.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    hrrrmmm

    by macheesmo3

    Now is it also illegal to watch it streaming online? You didn't download anything, you have only viewed something placed online by someone els. ( i have no clue about the legal aspect of this so somebody clue me in on it) Seems like it may be unethical, but not illegal to watch it, but illegal to post it. Downloading means you are taking possession of a copy of the film itself which i can see is illegal. any clarifiaction would be appreciated.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    FUCK FOX, FUCK AICN

    by batman713

    cunts!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    HEY MCWEENY, HOW DOES MICK GARRIS' COCK TASTE?

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    Seeing how you sucked up to him to get your writing gigs the way he kissed ass while doing interviews for Fangoria back in the day. Hacks of a feather suck together now, if you'll excuse me, I have an important phone call to make to the President of Africa.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    oh and...

    by macheesmo3

    good to see you Moriarty!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    re: Fuck you Beaks

    by one_guy_from_andromeda

    Sorry, i forgot to mention: Fuck you too, Moriarty. The issue here is not that FOX wants to anally rape ANYONE WHO PIRATES THEIR MATERIAL (idiot), the issue is that AICN has turned from a place that was ABOUT getting scoops and early info on movies to a place where they call for people who do just to be castrated and jailed till kingdom come. Assholes.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    HARRY'S BOOTLEG AOTC REVIEW!

    by lanalangsucks

    Great review!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    So easy to bait Moriarty

    by Photoman

    This business is too tough for you sweety. Maybe you should try something else, like truckdriving or something. And please stop with the false indignation you hypocrite.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:09 a.m. CST

    The real crime...

    by TheMarineBiologist

    ... is Dom's role in this movie. Really... that's just a fucking shame...

  • April 4, 2009, 1:09 a.m. CST

    you guys still support FOX movies?

    by WhoDis

    fuck them and fuck WOLVERINE

  • April 4, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST

    em_tee_em

    by gotilk

    Ah... but that's sharing of data on a SMALL scale. Which makes it different. Right? RIGHT? You know, before your post, em_tee_em, I was kinda still siding with Harry and crew. But then I realized that intellectual property is intellectual property. And isn't "leaked" just another word for "stolen"? <br> <br> You know, I have TONS of respect for this site and the people that run it. I love this place. But sometimes you just have to man up. You can't call your readers (or others) a bunch of thieving little pricks for downloading a "leaked" film and then excuse yourself for accepting leaked scripts. Oh sure, you don't send these things out into "the wild". But it all starts with that first lea... I mean THEFT. And you accept a copy of it. <br> <br> And remember, every script DRAFT you've ever reviewed and panned put WORKERS (the people that make great stuff that we all enjoy) out of WORK when word got out that the film was going to be a stinker. Right? Right?

  • April 4, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Yes, I agree Drew...

    by emteem

    ...consistency is all we ask as well.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Moriarty - GO BACK TO YOUR CRAPPY SITE!

    by lanalangsucks

    Leave us!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    A link to Harry's Attack of the Clones review.

    by FookU

    http://www.aintitcool.com/ display.cgi?id=11796 Did you turn that motherfucker in Harry? No? Isn't that hypocritical? Mr. Beaks and Moriarty did you find this activity illegal and reprehensible and ask Harry not to publish his review and instead turn in the guy who showed it to him? I didn't fucking think so.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    I mean.. if that's the leap we're going to be making

    by gotilk

    ...seriously..

  • April 4, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty - "Consistency is all we ask." BULL FUCKING SHIT

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    To anyone who wants to know the REAL DREW MCWEENY and HARRY KNOWLES just read FilmThreat's article on them called Deconstructing Harry. Here's the link.... http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=features&Id=159

  • April 4, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Preview Screenings

    by one_guy_from_andromeda

    Talking about consistency, Moriarty et al: from now on, when someone goes to a test screening where they have to sign a form that it is illegal for them to share any information about the movie and then send you a review, will you not run it and call for them to be prosecuted to the full extend of the law? Because if you won't your indignation is completely out of place. Why don't you get that?

  • April 4, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Freedom of the Press

    by ulcer

    here's the thing, as a part of the press you SHOULD indeed have the right to report on the stolen material, including by viewing it and reporting it. It's not like you're redistributing the thing -- which is the crime.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    FookU

    by emteem

    Obviously your point will never be addressed because the editors have no clothes.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    If they don't fire him

    by Tigermyth36

    Then it proves they told him to say he had watched it and it was great. They not only should fire him, but they should also sue him. They have a clear cut win win case against him since his own words can be used to prove he downloaded and watched it. He has also put his own company in peril since in the scope of his job, he talked about downloading another studio's movie. They really can't let him stay since he mentioned watching I love you man next.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Hypocrisy.

    by Thom85

    With what authority can AICN call for the termination of a journalist for legal and/or ethical violations when AICN and its founder Harry Knowles have themselves been involved in multiple such scenarios?

  • April 4, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    re:CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    by ulcer

    9 year old rant from a competing web site about this one is not really relevant to anything. no one's putting a gun to your head to come to this site.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Did you guys call for Harry to be fired for AOTC?

    by lanalangsucks

    ASSES

  • April 4, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Come on guys...

    by emteem

    ...do as they say, not as they do. Black boxes mean never having to show integrity.<p>No offense Vern.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Fire Harry for the AOTC bootleg review!!!

    by lanalangsucks

    do it!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST

    fooku

    by HebrewLantern

    just because you see a movie doesn't make it illegal. there are occasions when people are allowed to see movies early, such as advanced screenings, etc. reviewers are allowed to see movies early so they can publish their reviews when the movie is released. how do you think harry is able to put his reviews on DVDs on tuesday. do you really think he is able to watch all those DVD's in a few hours tops before he posts the review?

  • April 4, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    gotilk

    by emteem

    Now look at what you did. The idea that even a single person in this thread is listening to me makes me feel self-conscious about all the immature profanity and name calling I've been throwing around, <Pretend I put a smiley here>

  • April 4, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Harry Can't Fire Himself For His AOTC Review...

    by Media Messiah

    ...but in light of his new stance on reviewing bootlegs, it would grab headlines if Harry did just that...played the repentant martyr and fired himself.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    SO WHY IS THE PROFESSOR X NOT IN HIS WHEELCHAIR AT THE END?

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:37 a.m. CST

    AT THE END CREDIDS HOW DOES WALKING MAKE HOLES ON TOP OF YOUR SH

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST

    WHY IS WOLVERINE IN JAPAN AT THE END ,AFTER THE CREDITS

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST

    DEAD POOL DIES LIKE DARTH MAUL

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Harry, what the hell?

    by Lost_Horizon

    I don't download illegal/copyrighted materials (I'm not a sanctimonious prick, I just think artists getting compensated fairly for their work—no matter how shitty it might be—saves us ALL money in the long run), so I fully support whatever action(s) FOX chooses to take against this tool. With that said, Harry, seriously... please explain how you watching a stolen copy of AOTC with a couple of sleazeballs in a hotel room, and then writing an orgasmically gleeful review of it, is somehow morally superior to what this guy's done. I admire the passion you demonstrate for what you do, but, wow... what an unbelievable crock of shit you can serve up some times.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    BULLET THROUGH THE BRAIN ERASES MEMORY.WTF?

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST

    got ugly in here

    by THE KNIGHT

    fox isn't going to fire anyone. full of shit...

  • April 4, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST

    BLOB LOOKED LIKE FAT BASTARD,FROM AUSTIN POWERS

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Of Course, It Won't Be Fun Unless After A Few Weeks...

    by Media Messiah

    ...Harry pulls an Art Bell, and hires himself back! It'll be an even better publicity stunt than when Fox leaked its own movie to the net, and as you all know, that would be, Wolverine. They'll even have the perfect excuse in advance of the movie bombing at the box office, they'll just claim that the bootleg undermined the film's box office potential...shifting the blame from the fact that the movie looks like a mess, and onto some nameless leaker who will magically never be found, just like Osama bin Ladin.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Wow...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... if you think that there has ever been any legal reason not to report on a test screening, you're a fool. Straight up. Again, the studios may not like it, but it's not illegal. You do not enter into a legal agreement with them by attending a test screening, and there's no binding way to stop anyone who attends one from talking about it. Never has been. Not the same issue remotely. <P>Script reviews? Same thing. It may not make the studios happy, but it's not illegal. At all. <P>But it's always good to see people dredge up things like that inaccurate and ridiculous Film Threat piece. What is Ron Wells doing these days, anyway? Oh, that's right... he sold me a fucking hamburger the other day. Yeah, that hit piece really did the trick, eh?

  • April 4, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    WOLVERINES BORN IN 1800,S BUT STOPS AGING IN HIS 30,S????

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    SO SAVRE TOOTH GROWS TALLER AND GETS BLONDE HAIR FOR XMEN?

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    STORM COMES FROM THE AFRICAN VILLAGE LOL PATHETIC

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    GAMBIT LOL PATHETIC

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:45 a.m. CST

    I DIDNT HAVE HIGH HOPES FOR THE MOVIE ANYWAY

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST

    SHOULD HAVE JUST MADE XMEN 4

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:47 a.m. CST

    As soon as they said "Adamantium bullets,"

    by TheMarineBiologist

    I cried "bullshit." Wolverine is a fucking mutant, not a werewolf.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:48 a.m. CST

    JUST SAVED ME WASTING MY MONEY AT THE CINEMA

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Wait...there was a link for the bootlegs here?

    by lanalangsucks

    WOW!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by logicalnoise01

    Ypou have anything to say on the "let the right one in" debacle because Harry seems to not give a crap as long as he gets his referral credits.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST

    I LAUGHED WHEN YOUNG WOLVERINE WAS YELLING WITH HIS CLAWS OUT

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST

    ulcer

    by gotilk

    I don't really know about THAT. I mean, this place is completely legit now, but not too long ago this was just a web site, like a blog. (who could argue that AICN is not the press, honestly.. as the term was intended?)And the courts even now are NOT always extending the full rights of the press to bloggers and web site "writers". I believe there's an apple fan site owner STILL in jail for refusing to reveal a source. <br> <br> Said the judge:<br> <br> "Unlike the whistleblower who discloses a health, safety or welfare hazard affecting all, or the government employee who reveals mismanagement or worse by our public officials, (the enthusiast sites) are doing nothing more than feeding the public's insatiable desire for information," Kleinberg wrote.<br> <br> California's shield law does not hold up for bloggers, at least in CA. <br> <br> And let's face it, no matter what state you live in.. you piss off Hollywood.. guess which state you'll be sued in? So as much as *I* would consider a place like this "press" and it's writers "journalists"... the law appears to differ from place to place. Having said that, and having read many blogs, I think it's safe to say that what it takes now to be a "journalist" is significantly different than what it used to be. The line is blurry. What defines a journalist? Do you want to live in a world where a judge decides who is and who is not one? <br> <br> I have a point though, honestly. And it is that a LOT of black and white, fundamental moralistic judgment is flying around here today. Not a lot of gray areas for many people. Yet, here we are in this gray area, with judges setting precedent in regard to who is and who is not a journalist based on the MEDIUM they choose. And here we are as well with the Internet "cat out of the bag". That box is never going to close. And I'm sorry, no matter how long or how firmly you stand, your(whoever the YOU is in this) moral view of the accepted norm will simply someday soon be.. irrelevant. Writers work hard to write books. Would you put a book store out of business because you use the library? What if EVERYONE waited until it "came out on DVD", imagine the job loss. All that great art would never be created. What about all those cassette tapes that ruined the music industry? The jukeboxes that destroyed the record industry? TV that destroyed the movie business? The VCR that destroyed the very fabric of all things entertainment and beyond? The DVR that destroyed television. (best year in a while for them) You just can't demonize the norm and expect to come out the other side feeling like anything but the idiot. Business, opinionated douchebag, blogger, columnist.. whoever you may be. Take a deep breath, look around and look at history. It's the same story, just a bigger, faster and more dense means of moving it around the world. The benefits of this revolution (the Internet itself) FAR outweigh any imagined or REAL losses.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Well, if test screening are okay...how about premieres?

    by Bones

    I wait with baited breath for people to start spoiling STAR TREK.<p> Please, for the love of film, DON'T Delete spoiler posts of the new Star Trek!!!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST

    I WOULD HAVE WALKED OUT,AT THE BLOB SCENE

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    THAT WAS HANDY THE CLOTHES FITTING HIM

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST

    THE AOTC review

    by MetiphisLabs

    Yeah, I like yah Harry, but they really got you on this one. You did do pretty much the same thing, and with the same studio even...

  • April 4, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST

    THEY SHOULD LEAVE THE MOVIE EXACTLY HOW IT IS

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    HUGH JACKMEN,ALL DOWN HILL FOR U NOW MATE

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    scotsman75

    by Sleeperkid

    What are you, 12? Or are you just fucking retarded?

  • April 4, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    THEY HAVE TO REMOVE THE SCENE WITH BLOB

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Actually...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... the AOTC thing was not the same. People keep mistakenly connecting the guy who was prosecuted by Lucasfilm to Harry seeing the movie. Two unrelated incidents. Harry's source stole nothing. Harry stole nothing. And just because he didn't name the source to you doesn't mean laws were broken.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Star Trek spoiler...

    by Sleeperkid

    The film *SPOILER ALERT* ...leads to and outdoes a ridiculously overrated TV series. *END SPOILER*

  • April 4, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    LOL SLEEPER U GETTIN ANNOYED?

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    LOL SLEEPER U GETTIN ANNOYED?

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    LogicalNoise1

    by drew mcweeny

    I've written about the "Let The Right One In" situation a few times this week at HitFix, including earlier today.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    PROFESSOR X CAN WALK AT THE END

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Drew, how about...

    by MaxTheSilent

    'The Real Cancun', or your apallingly mis-guided review of early footage of TOMB RAIDER. You're a whore. Deny it and FURTHER incriminate yourself as a self-serving douche suckling at the tit of corporate Hollywood when it suits you. Nothing you say will change what you are, a bottom-feeding douchebag until the day you die.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Isn't it weird...

    by emteem

    ...how Drew keeps stopping by, but keeps ignoring the elephant in the room (Psst! It's Harry watching a stolen print of AOTC in a hotel room and reviewing it) like he's never even seen any references to it in-between the posts he is replying to?

  • April 4, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE MAKES INDY 4 LOOK GOOD

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    moriarty well done

    by logicalnoise01

    I'll be happy to shift my attention to your site rather than this one.

  • April 4, 2009, 2 a.m. CST

    "sold me a fucking hamburger the other day"

    by lanalangsucks

    After seeing your site, you should apply there soon!

  • April 4, 2009, 2 a.m. CST

    CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY SABRETOOTH LOOKS DIFFERENT??

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Away and and bile yer heid Scotsman75

    by BenBraddock

    You post so much but have so very little to say

  • April 4, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty, Wolverine, and beyond

    by Dancingforever

    Moriarty, Do you remember when you told me Watchmen was a very good film while I was arguing what a piece or garbage that film would be? Ah, the good times. The Wolverine film as I saw it is terrible. The acting is not the problem, Jackman is good and there are some bright spots, loved seeing Professor X at the end. The story however is so bad that noting can fix this. The farm scene, the helicopter attack, the Darth Mauling of Deadpool, Emma Frost as a teenage cheerleader, every thing Saber tooth does etc. It just sucks, there are no redeeming qualities. The leak of this work print has effectively killed the opening weekend sucker punch they were hoping for, I doubt this movie will do over 80 million.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    GAMBIT WON A PLANE IN A CARD GAME LOL FUCK ME

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 2:03 a.m. CST

    "... the AOTC thing was not the same."

    by lanalangsucks

    I know because Harry is your friend.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Currently: Deleting McWeeny's bullshit blog site from my 'Favour

    by MaxTheSilent

    Fuck you, you hypocritical, talentless pile of shit. I've followed your shit on here for about seven years. Fuck you for even trying to claim some moral high ground with this WOLVERINE leak. You provieded a link for the workprint of HULK. Deny it and you're a lying cunt.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Hey Max

    by MetiphisLabs

    Can you possibly shut the fuck up at some point? Moriarty is my favorite film reviewer, and I pretty much agree with him on a consistent basis. You act like he killed your family and raped your dog. The manb is living his life just fine, so stop being a giant screaming mouthpiece in the sea of cackling madness of internet troll-ery.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    No, Lana...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... because no one stole AOTC. But please, continue to misunderstand if it suits your thesis.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...but didn't Harry see an illegal copy of AOTC...in a secret location...and then review it on this website? <p>I definitely agree that this behavior is wrong and illegal...but wasn't Harry wrong too?

  • April 4, 2009, 2:06 a.m. CST

    MaxTheSilent...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... post a link to where I told people to download "Hulk," or you're a petulant child who just learned the word "cunt" when someone was paying your mommy.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:06 a.m. CST

    ...or did Harry have permission?

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Maybe he did? His review seemed very hush hush.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Actually after reading the AOTC review

    by MetiphisLabs

    For all we know those dudes in the hotel room were Lucasfilm sanctioned to show Harry the film. Lucas could have sent them himself for all we know.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:07 a.m. CST

    AOTC...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I've addressed it twice now, and it's Harry's point to make, so I'll leave it alone at this point. But he did not see an illegal copy, and he did not steal the film, nor did anyone involved. Beyond that, I don't know what to tell you.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Ok...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I might not have remembered it correctly. I've slept hundreds of times since then.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    i really enjoy you're writing mori but this is patently ludicrou

    by drturing

    i'm sorry but you can't take the moral high ground. for years at aicn you and the other writers made a name for yourselves by at first giving access to test screening and script reviews - and if you ask me a script review is even crueller than a workprint review. i agree with you friedman is a douche, and obviously you've evolved, but all aicn is accomplishing by pretending to be white knights on this issue is just fuelling more admonishments of hypocrisy. reviewing a film before it's complete in any state is just not fair, and you helped open that genie out of the bottle.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:10 a.m. CST

    WHO CARES THE MOVIE IS SHIT

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    "post a link to where I told people to download "Hulk,"

    by lanalangsucks

    I'm not saying you did post a link, but this site does have a BAD REPUTATION of deleting links. I don't know why.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    WHY IS WOLVERINE 200 YEARS OLD?

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST

    DrTurning...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... but we're not pretending to be white nights with spotless records. Go read what I actually wrote at HitFix if you doubt that. The point is this... Fox tracked down one of our contributors who reviewed a trade screening and had him fired from his job. He didn't break any law when he reviewed it, although he did show poor judgment. They made sure they took his livelihood from him. If they don't do AT LEAST the same to Roger Friedman for admitting that he downloaded stolen materials and then reviewing them, then Fox no longer gets to set any rules for how anyone covers their material. That is the point. THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT. You can obfuscate as much as you want, but that's the point.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST

    I WANT TO SEE GAMBIT ORIGINS,SEE HIM WIN THAT PLANE LOL

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Lana...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I don't delete stories. In fact, I'm still chipping away at creating an archive of everything I've ever posted here.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    wait wait wait i agree that test screening reviews

    by drturing

    aren't illegal, but are they ethical? for harry to claim that the basis of unfairness in judging something once its leaked is that the film is unfinished that is ridiculous. you have allowed reviews of unfinished films forever. and do we have to bring up JOE HALLENBECK?

  • April 4, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    And watch...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... Max will never address the issue. He will never post a link. He will never be able to come up with a single place where I recommended that people should download "Hulk" or where I told people how to do it, because it never happened. But he won't apologize or back down. He'll just keep calling me his mother's name, over and over again.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Harry is not a hypocrit

    by lsleelee

    Sure, his lack of understanding of punctuation is sometimes astonishing, but he's not in the wrong on this one. He didn't steal the AOTC workprint and AOTC had not gone through major reshoots since that workprint had been made.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:16 a.m. CST

    DrTurning...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... bring up Joe Hallenbeck all day long if you want, and then show me where I had anything to do with that or where we condoned it. Joe went to jail for what he did. Not me. Not Harry. I've never sold a bootleg in my life. And you continue to make this about issues other than the specific thing being discussed, so what's the point?

  • April 4, 2009, 2:16 a.m. CST

    I thought it was fine

    by smackfu

    It was pretty much exactly what I expected it to be. Were we really expecting Schindler's List here? It did contain some classic cheese, the part where wolverine's girlfriend died and the camera did the classic, 'above-the-head-pan-back-while-the-hero-roars-up-at-the-Gods' made me nearly piss myself laughing. Directors should get fined $10,000 for doing that.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:16 a.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty, IS THAT WHY YOU CALLED RON WELLS AT HOME???

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    Quoted from FilmThreat.... "Drew McWeeny AKA Moriarty called Ron Wells at home to yell at him about what he described as "unfair treatment." The humorless hack whined about the story to Wells who described the encounter as "like arguing with a girl in junior high." McWeeny? Yeah, he wasn't relentlessy teased for a name like McWeeny when he was a kid. Now we understand all that pointless arrogance and anger..." They had your fucking number even then and you haven't changed one fucking bit.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    fox can cry all they want

    by logicalnoise01

    they have no credit with the internet anymore. They'll receive no sympathy from fans and now they likely have no chance at a blind #1 weekend. If WB was smart they'd move anything with a chance of competing with wolverine up to challenge it. Just based on what I'm hearing I'll wait til netflix to see this. Piracy is part of business and basically fox should be mad at themselves for allowing the leak. yeah go ahead and sue whoever did it but reportedly FOX got the FBI to blindly take down a Dallas data center that served thousand upon thousands of customers. The copmpany running the center says they have no record of the company the FBI was looking for doing business with them within the last 8 months. Meaning the link to the xmen link is just blind brute enforcement. I remember the supposed AOTC leak harry watched. he never said it was a nefarious screening just a very secret one. I do recall AICN pushing "Batman:dead end" even though that short only escaped oblivion by having it's creator take the entire production cost at a loss. Meanwhile studios like fox and disney make it impossible to get more public domain material everytime their copyright is up.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    As far as ethics...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I would be happy to sit down with you and debate the ethics of reviewing test screenings face-to-face, because I am proud of the work we did to undermine NRG and eventually drive Joe Farrell out of the business completely. NRG was a rotten, rancid organization that was hurting filmmakers, and I absolutely did everything I could to violate and upend their process. And I didn't break the law in doing so, either. Ethical? Guess that depends on which side you're on. If you're on Joe Farrell's side, you and I will never see eye to eye.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Yeah, lame AOTC deflection there McWeeny

    by Photoman

    "Harry's source stole nothing. Harry stole nothing. And just because he didn't name the source to you doesn't mean laws were broken." Yeah, bullshit. Care to back that little bit up with some actual evidence there? You realize you can fucking write anything you want and just say "no no, this is true" and it doesn't make it true you know. Harry watched an illegal version of AOTC. There, see, I can write stuff also with absolutely no back-up too. The thing is, you, Harry and the other idiots here have ALL seen the workprint of this movie and you're coming up with this indignation. Why? Because you're not special anymore. You and Harry are irrelevant now. Look at the posts on this thread alone....see many people standing by you clowns? We're all standing back in awe really at you guys and your hypocrisy. I will say you two have HUGE balls to come out with this bullshit. But we here know that it's just that...bullshit. Now STFU.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Drew all i can say is this

    by drturing

    i read AICN for the advance word on films that aren't going to get major press play like oldboy or let the right one in or the iron giant, or set visits or non scripted interviews and talkbacks are fun, and the hubbub about movies...<p> Only if you ever have a film you're truly proud of and love and have gone through hell with a studio and end up test screening it and going through the horror of seeing just how idiotic the cards can be ("why isn't this r rated movie more like step up 2 the streets") and then the studio pressures you to reshoot cut a different version, and accordingly it get s tested, and written up on aicn... will you know how yes it's not illegal, but it's never been very ethical. the problem with test screenings has never been that a studio wants to do them - it's the sheer idiocy that gets collated on those reports embodied in the general public.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    So you didn't 'hide' a link...

    by MaxTheSilent

    ...amongst an article about where to download a copy of Ang Lee's HULK workprint?? But don't worry, Drew. Only the foolish newbies here who don't have a memory as long as mine will believe your vague (but by no means 'actual') denials.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    A leaked script is an intellectual property

    by gotilk

    and they may look away , but it is FULLY actionable. When someone steals a script and sends it to you, it's just as illegal as stealing anything else. (I'm not even hinting at suggesting that stealing is the only way you or anyone else gets scripts.. so halt that vitriol) And considering a purely MORAL stand, it's "just stealing, pure and simple". I'm sorry, there's just no winning on that one, on any grounds. I know people pass these things around and in some cases they want them passed around. But you know as well as I that it's not ALWAYS at that stage when your eyes see it for the first time. <br> <br> And you wanna talk about theft? Actual theft? <br> <br> Movie Studios and producers accused of screenplay theft:<br> http://tinyurl.com/rjoeq <br> (different "kind of theft" though, right? ACTUAL theft)<br> I know of one example. I know Icon threatened to sue over a stolen draft of the Passion. (but who sues Catholic Bishops?.. unless diddling is involed)<br> <br> I'm sure others can find examples.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    i agree with that NRG can burn in hell

    by drturing

    and tom rothman's fox when it sinks as i pray it will soon...<p> but sadly i think it's going to get replaced by even worse people.<p> I need a job right now but i wouldn't do anything to have a movie at fox.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Here's a cookie, ThinMan...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... now go play with all your little troll friends. You believe Ron Wells and his story completely, and nothing will change that. There is a reason he can't get a job writing a fucking fortune cookie at this point, much less "journalism." And yet, I'm still here, and I actually got a great job in a tough market because my track record earned it. Now call me some more names, little boy.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Off-topic, but quick question Moriarty...

    by The_Coyote

    Did you ever post part 3 of your Sherlock Holmes interviews? I may have missed it somewhere, but I don't remember ever seeing it up on the site.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Okay

    by emteem

    I guess I was wrong regarding the legality of Harry's viewing of Episode II. <p>Also, I have always agreed 100% that FOX has no choice but to fire Freidman. They as a company just don't (what are you talking about? That was a great sentence)<p>But, I still have a giant problem with this site's admonishment of the fans over wanting to see something early when they get the chance. You guys weren't always "professionals" and I'm fairly certain all of you would have jumped at the chance to see a movie like Wolverine a month in advance if say this was 1987 and you were just film geeks.<p>To be clear Drew has not been doing what I just said as he's just been arguing the legality of the situation, and while this shouldn't matter I did want to point out that I have not seen the film in question. Honestly I will probably see it with some friends when it comes out, but overall it is not a film that excites me.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:21 a.m. CST

    btw hallenbeck is not about you... it's about AICN

    by drturing

    this site has always tread a dodgy ethical line. on the other hand your writing over the years just reminded me of all the gossip that gets passed around when you're in the industry making sales but not getting anything made, just presented on the net to a wider audience.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty, TELL ME DID WALTER DO IT?

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    Something you wrote a few years ago when someone asked you what have you done......"You ask me to define myself and my credentials. To you, I say that I am a lifelong film fan. I say that I am someone who takes the art form very seriously, who's been lucky enough to study the subject with some of the best teachers in the world in both practical and academic settings. I'm an award-winning dramatist. I'm a card-carrying member of the WGA. I'm the west coast editor of Ain't It Cool News. I'm Batman and Bruce Wayne, and I'm working my ass off." You are a pretentious douchebag and a fat whiney pussy.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    i cannot recall mori ever linking to a leak

    by drturing

    ever. and i can remember when harry claimed that natalie portman and her friend stayed up at a slumber party and sent him a card. i actually remember that shit.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Sabre Tooth is Wolverine's brother? WTF?

    by lavatory love machine

    how was that guy that got dumped by the lost girl?

  • April 4, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    DrTurning...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... if test screenings were just for filmmakers, I'd side with you. But they aren't. And that process has gotten much much better AS A RESULT of all the "unethical" behavior we built the site on. The power has definitely shifted away from NRG and similar companies and the sheer brutal force of numbers, and back into the hands of filmmakers who use the process right. Not every time, but far more than when we started. So I'm fine with our role in things, and I absolutely feel comfortable with where I stand on it ethically.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:24 a.m. CST

    And a link can't be found...

    by MaxTheSilent

    ... in an article that has been erased or altered AFTER THE FACT. I KNOW you posted that link, Drew. I KNOW you encouraged people to download that workprint. And I KNOW you are as much a hypocritical douche as Harry for even ATTEMPTING to claim some kind of high ground over this WOLVERINE leak.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:24 a.m. CST

    A review site calling for another reviewer to be fired?

    by dailysportspages

    Thats pretty low... regardless if its a FOX shill or not.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by ChocolateJesus

    Really?

  • April 4, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    AT THE TIME ,IF U HAD A CHANCE TO VIEW CLONES,U WOULD HAVE,SO SH

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Morarty, geez!!

    by JimBobCooter

    In your defense: in AOTC there was no "crime" if the film itself was not stolen. Yet Friedman admitted to "stealing" by illegally downloading, and admitted how easy it was and how many other hit movies he'd rather download. Which is just stupid. But your feverish defense and bringing SilentMax's mother into the argument is overblown because you do rely on people getting their hands on stolen property (yes, you know that scripts are studio property and the ideas discussed therein) or discussing screening though they OFTEN DO SIGN WAVERS SAYING THEY WON'T. So yes, you are not stealing, but selling stolen goods. Thanks for stating the difference.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Max

    by MetiphisLabs

    Oh for the love of god, I have been reading this site for about 10 years, and Moriarty never linked to any leaked films ever. This site is my fucking homepage for god's sake, I check it 10 times a day.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    test screenings will never be for the filmmakers

    by drturing

    unless you're joe swanberg and you spent five bucks on some condoms for your film. i'm sorry but a 100 million dollar gamble will always, always have insecure business people hedging their bets on pseudo science metrics. that's like saying that marketing should be in the hands of the filmmakers. good luck.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    that is true that your reviewers sign agreements

    by drturing

    not to write up the screenings on aicn, which would be a breach of contract.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Also

    by JimBobCooter

    I know that, for the most part, the studio allows it, knowing that a good review of a small film saves them marketing money or pushing award season. But this is the risk. The buzz is ridiculously bad and they are worried and pushing back to you guys. If the buzz was fantastic, I wonder if the feverish indignance would be there.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Mori is right on the Friedman issue though

    by gotilk

    If they'll get someone fired for a much lesser thing, they should fire Friedman for doing what they have described as a MUCH worse thing. Even if I disagree about the "moral" implications of THE THING he did. OR if they have decided to take a softer stance, they should go public with it and have that softer stance apply to all of us.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    i think wolverines claws were not shiney enough new topic

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 2:31 a.m. CST

    all u geeks need to calm down,its only a movie

    by scotsman75

  • April 4, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    i dont know about calling or a guy's job.

    by BMacSmith

    seems pretty mean. guy's gotta eat! but then again. he is a douche

  • April 4, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    *FOR

    by BMacSmith

  • April 4, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    And you KNOW...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... nothing, Max. As I suspected. Google cache should have anything you suspect has been erased. Go. Find it. Prove me wrong. Unless your theory is that I somehow have the power to make Google take things down, too.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Douche gotta eat?

    by JimBobCooter

    Not a pretty thought.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    This site reputation was built on leaks

    by theplant

    I'm just saying. Script leaks. Screening leaks. You people reviewed early cuts of Titanic 6 months before it came out. You should definetely review this piece of crap movie that is Wolberine.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Months old?

    by the_patriot

    Did I miss something? Seriously. Because I read repeatedly in multiple articles that the print was from March 3. (I will admit that I don't recall that tidbit being on this site.) Was that incorrect or a revision to try and build the "You haven't seen the whole film" tower a little higher? Don't get me wrong, I'm gonna see it anyway, regardless. Hell, I sat through White Chicks...and I promise this doesn't suck anywhere near that level!

  • April 4, 2009, 2:39 a.m. CST

    CCon99

    by MetiphisLabs

    Did he release a public review of Spirited Away? I also seem to remember he legitimately ordered and paid for the film but it was taking too long to be delivered.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:39 a.m. CST

    DrTurning...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... nonsense on the "breach of contract" thing. It's not a contract. It's not legally binding. At best, it's a request. And you don't have to fill them out. I never did at any screening I went to, even after they started handing them out. I just handed back a blank. People sign names like "Ivana Humpalot." It's an absolutely useless piece of symbolic paper. Again... you can disagree with me ethically, and I respect your position, but it ain't illegal.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    CCon...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I've more than copped to that. I am not spotless. I had Kazaa on my computer in the early days of its existence. I did indeed download "Spirited Away." None of that has anything to do with Fox's response to Roger Friedman's article. At all. And it's not a "gotcha" if I've written about doing those things in an article here on AICN.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:44 a.m. CST

    how are decent files of unreleased movies...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... making it onto the internet in the first place? - especially when their not even in theaters yet - a 100+ mil to make and distribute world wide and some ass holes steal it and give it away for free on the internet - id be pissed if i were flipping the bill

  • April 4, 2009, 2:44 a.m. CST

    PS Friedman feature was OK

    by theplant

    I mean, now, journalists aren't allowed to report on leaks ? If Fox banned this, they should also ban any page, or forum, reporting the leak. Like on this site.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Screenings are well planned.

    by the_patriot

    And as far as test screenings go - if studios *REALLY* intended for people not to talk about the film in any way, shape, or form to other people or to scoop sites - they would simply not have them. Or they would keep them to industry types only. The publicists and such are completely aware that the film will be discussed - those waivers are mainly intended so that people like Harry or Drew can't sneak into a test screening and write a paid review ahead of the rest of their compatriots and competitors. But Joe Schmoe? And me? So I'm one of 700 people that gets to see Avatar (or whatever) 3 months early and I post a review. Who the hell am I? I'm a nobody with no name recognition or fan base or reputation - and I can be easily condemned. But if Drew McWeeny posts a review? He's got the name, a reputable site, and recognition - and people will automatically give creedance to what he says - and that's what the studios want to avoid. The difference here is that a product was stolen, not willingly shown. Every single person who has watched Wolverine is a thief, and that's a damn sight different than someone who was willingly asked into a location to view something by the creators. So really - everyone, climb your sorry asses off your high horses and cut the crap with calling everyone a hypocrite here. It's a specious argument and only serves to show that you don't really understand most of how the business has to interact with each other - only that you want to stomp your feet and biatch because you think you've got a chance to score brownie points with the rest of the trolls. Harry - Moriarty - thumbs up.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Moriarty - your being Is Being Very Defensive!

    by lanalangsucks

    Do you feel guilty of something?

  • April 4, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    if you had Kazaa on your PC you're the same as Mr Freidman

    by lavatory love machine

  • April 4, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    if you can show me a movie lover

    by drturing

    who hasn't violated region coding or downloaded something that at the time appeared it would never get a US release (because we get maybe 1% of the world's cultural output here).... then you're showing me a fucking unicorn with wings

  • April 4, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by rutgerman

    This is ridiculous. When did these guys say they are without sin? They didn't. But Friedman works for Fox. Not only that, but these guys don't sit on the internet and download pre-work prints, which are released ALL THE TIME. You have some real pieces of shit on this board. You need to do what us at Gawker/kotaku/Gizmodo did and MODERATE these people out...

  • April 4, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty, RON WELLS IS MORE TRUSTWORTHY THEN YOU....

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    Your “burger selling” crack shows exactly the type of hypocritical scumbag that you are. For all of your pretensions it’s always about the money. You’re like every other hack and if you were capable of writing a quality script then you wouldn’t need Harry to pimp your shit on this site as he did years ago. Do YOU know what Ron Wells is doing for a living now? No. But because he’s not writing about movies he’s beneath you, right? So you think your better then other people because you got two shitty TV episodes made by John Carpenter? What I do know about Wells and Film Threat was that they maintained at least a small amount of journalistic integrity unlike you and Knowles who use AICN to shill your non-existent talents while side-stepping any sort of objectivity by accepting freebies and peddling your crayon scribbled wank to hacks like McGarris who hasn’t written or Directed one single fucking good thing in his worthless career as in evidence from his list of credits on the IMDB. I’ve contacted Wells and I’ll let you know what he’s up to.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    or worse because this was the first time he ever dowloaded a mov

    by lavatory love machine

    you should excuse yourself from making any negative comments about Mr Friedman

  • April 4, 2009, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Moriarty - your being very Defensive!

    by lanalangsucks

    That is.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:49 a.m. CST

    I have not seen it, but...

    by Razorback

    A friend of mine told me that a lot of the campy stuff may come from the fact that the shots are not finished, and that parts of the movie show promise.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST

    actually yeah i have to say

    by drturing

    i have never at any early screening ive ever attended had to sign anything... my bad. i think it's become just stupid bragging that they're getting away with something.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Actually, ThinMan...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I do know what he's doing for a living right now, and if you work a double-shift at your job tomorrow and earn a whole quarter, you can get a blow job from a former Film Threat staff writer. Isn't that exciting?!

  • April 4, 2009, 2:51 a.m. CST

    It does smack of desperation for positive comments.

    by Mr Nicholas

    Well, I'm certainly curious as to how the film eventually turns out.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Wells sould him a burger. Is that slander?

    by lanalangsucks

    I think it is!

  • April 4, 2009, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Go Fuck Yourself Rutgerman. Seriously.

    by FookU

    Go back to where ever the fuck you came from bitch. And work prints aren't released all of the time dumbass.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:55 a.m. CST

    if I was Miyazaki I would sue you and get you fired

    by lavatory love machine

    or banned from ever reviewing or posting about movies

  • April 4, 2009, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Moriarty - Slandering people is illegal too !!

    by lanalangsucks

    You may be in big shit now!

  • April 4, 2009, 2:55 a.m. CST

    But one overall grave thought...

    by JimBobCooter

    Why are so many movies getting comic book characters wrong? Deadpool as a humorless Terminator with his mouth sewn shut?? Is it that hard to give him a reason to want to hunt Wolverine (like he's simply a hired gun, which is actually is). Or emo Superman. Or whatever. It's so odd that screenwriters are so desperate to "reinvent" established characters that it ALWAYS comes out poorly. Look at TDK and Iron Man. The reinvented Joker and Iron Monger, but only in ways that enhance and were actually TRUER than a literal interpretation. Seems an obvious issue. But I clearly am missing something.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:57 a.m. CST

    What's the prison time for stealing a film?

    by Crashbang

    With all the aggressive advertising about the consequences of stealing films and music - what are the typical punishments for us common folk? Jail time? Sued for thousands?

  • April 4, 2009, 2:57 a.m. CST

    FookU

    by rutgerman

    You're a funny guy. I'd love to see you come over here and say that, you internet twat scum of the earth. Aww, you're a pussy? Too bad. And yes, there are plenty of workprints going around in the industry all the time jackass.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:57 a.m. CST

    mori, do you regret reviewing the stolen e1 script

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    you were given stolen property - and reviewed it on line - thus admitting you were in possession of said evidence

  • April 4, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST

    DrTuring...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... it's nice to know that it is possible to actually have a conversation here. You may not agree with me, but you've been nothing less than civil, and I hope you have a good weekend. <P>Some of you others (coughthinmancough) can keep filling your diapers if it makes you feel better. I'm gonna go watch a movie and head to bed.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:59 a.m. CST

    I'm not the least bit afraid Rutgerman.

    by FookU

    Fuck you dickless wonder. Tell me where you are. I'll come say it to your geeky little face bitch.

  • Dipshit.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    gawker? gawker makes aicn look like harper's

    by drturing

    fucking bullshit elitist hatred for all those jealous they never made it. gizmodo is porn for men who can't get hard at the sight of a woman but will for a new laptop. and kotaku is just some weeaboo in japan posting pictures of cosplay underage jailbait every other item to drive traffic in between obvious commentary on games.<p> the one thing i'll give credit for to aicn always is that it made talkback completely free. harry would never delete the worst most reprehensible shit written about him. anything goes here, and again that's the clusterfuck bugfuck insanity that you can't get anywhere else.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    You're all a bunch of little pussies

    by Biffs_Pleasure_Paradise

    Moriarty and most of the talkbackers here. Doing nothing but trying to sling comebacks around like a bunch of kids at the schoolyard. The ones who run this site can't just admit that yeah, maybe they fucked up a bit, while the talkbackers act like Harry and the lot raped their mothers. Get over it.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Oh kay, I gave up and.......

    by The Dum Guy

    Saw it (not on my comp, but a friends) and I must say that I am so Meh'd.<br><br>I'll have to catch up on what is above me, but I will say that based on what I saw, the work print isn't that good.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Uhhhh Drew. That was a fucking punk ass move.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....writing that piece on Friedman, calling for his resignation. What the fuck do you have to do with it? I'm really just blow away by this shit. Why the fuck do you care? Have your opinions. But calling on someone to get shit canned just to make a name for yourself and promote your new site-- thats fucking weak. <P>I've defended you many times in the past, but come on. You just painted yourself in a whole different light. Now you will be seen as the squealing rat. If thats how you wanna role in life, fine. But expect a fallout.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:04 a.m. CST

    BTW Moriarty your site SUCKS!

    by lanalangsucks

  • April 4, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    I don't know why I said RESIGNATION.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I meant "CALLING FOR HIS FIRING."

  • April 4, 2009, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Question:

    by JimBobCooter

    Does Harry have a black box on Moriarty's site?

  • April 4, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    FookU

    by rutgerman

    Hey dickweed, all it takes is one loose workprint to make its way to the internet. And I fail to see how you're gonna come and kick my ass when you can't even put together a proper sentence. Have fun jerking yourself off, take care now ;)

  • April 4, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Rutgerman, my wife takes care of the jerking off.

    by FookU

    I can't many a sentence together but since I called your little bluff we see who the real pussy is here. Fucking Pussy.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST

    And if you wanna discuss this subject in a more civilized...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...environment, just come to The Zone!<br> http://zone.aintitcool.com

  • April 4, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    No edit button sucks!!!

    by FookU

    Because I can put a fucking sentence together. I just can't undo fat fingering. You're still a fucking bitch Rutgerman.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    drew you gotta have a thick skin for tb is all

    by drturing

    shit most of the readers here miss you. badly. i mean seriously, script girl and merrick? you have a good weekend, too.<p> and the one thing that no one sees at all here is what's more dangerous: hollywood have done nothing to prevent creating a generation of kids who think they are ENTITLED to content free, and that goes for movies now, too. people love going to the movies, but in forcing consumers to buy DVD to fuel ten years of short term growth, and by actually agreeing to put movies on cellphones and whatnot, the studios have totally fucked themselves. the real problem with movie piracy isn't theatrical release, cause of course people will go see the dark knight three times in a theater... it's when DVD is the plan to make a profit, and a whole generation who thinks that movies aren't worth effort. like your average 18 year old film fanatic today wasn't born when ET came out, and have no fucking idea what it means that to watch the holy mountain for thirty years was a fucking QUEST on par with searching for the holy grail.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:12 a.m. CST

    The Zone is for pussies.

    by FookU

  • April 4, 2009, 3:12 a.m. CST

    The top ten movies

    by Toonol

    ARE available for download, illegally. I'm not sure stating an obvious fact should be illegal in and of itself.<p> That said, I'm sure every reviewer on AICNs staff has watched pirated movies and clips. There are often illegal youtube copies embedded in articles here. I'd just keep my mouth shut, if I were them. (That sounds like a threat! I don't mean that, just as friendly advice on how to handle this touchy situations.)

  • April 4, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Nobody cares about this clusterfuck. No.Body.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    And what the hell was so comlicated about TDK?!? That Fox reviewer needs to be fired for being a dumbass.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:14 a.m. CST

    &.... haey TheRealMoriarty

    by The Dum Guy

    you should have never left...<br><br><br>things have changed since you left.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Real pieces of shit on this board

    by NivekJ

    Amen, rutgerman. These assholes are giving, and have been giving, talkbackers a bad name. I've been going to this site since '98, the Episode I days. And I've watched these forums get worse and worse. <p>I've been banned twice. For stupid fucking bullshit, mind you, nowhere near close to some of the shit these guys spew from their fingertips. Fuck a workprint. Fuck a test screening. The movie's gonna come out one way or the other, and until then, all this shit is pointless jerk-off material. And not even good jerk-off material. Not even Sears Catalog jerk-off material. <p>I remember reading ABOUT the Avatar scriptment on Corona Coming Attractions. I remember reading MAYBE Freddy vs. Jason would hire writers. I remember reading PERHAPS Meet Joe Black would have the Episode I trailer. <p>These little shitheads don't know a Damn Thing about that, and any nebulous codes of honor, TalkBack honor mind you, are long gone. Both twits that got me banned at least apologize to me afterwards. <p>If I got into a Talkback fight, motherfuckers knew how to use a fucking search bar to prove their point. And this is back in the old NetZero, AltaVista free Internet days, where any broke piece of shit could get access. <p>And even then, there were manners. There were interesting comments. There was correct spelling. And stupid, pathetic, inbred pieces of shit got banned or booted. You could ACCIDENTALLY repeat a talkback, and get banned. <p>SO, yeah, rutgerman, you got a point. Moderation is in order on this site. People do say what-the-fuck-ever, with nothing to back it up, or for no reason except to jag off or blow off steam. <p>You don't like this website? You disagree with their ethics? Read a fucking issue of EW. Otherwise, make your point and move on. I fucking hate the Internet, and you pieces of shit are the reason why.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    It’s miles easier to understand than "The Dark Knight,"

    by MattmanReturns

    and tremendously more emotional." BWAHAHA. Being easier to understand doesn't make it better. And more emotional? If you call a forced romance with no buildup emotional... okay. This guy should be fired just for being an idiot. The workprint was a steaming pile and there are no 'buts' about that. I hope the reshoots can fix it, but I doubt it.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:18 a.m. CST

    This place has really gone to the dogs.

    by Playkins

    Harry, you've posted several early reviews of unreleased films, most notable EPISODE 2 which you bragged to the entire world about seeing. How's this different?<P> I think it's a shit thing that this movie got out so early, but to call for the head of a reporter for reviewing it is DOGSHIT. It's GRADE A, TRIPLE-TAPERED DOGSHIT with FLIES.<P> Fuck AICN.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:19 a.m. CST

    and am i the only one who remembers

    by drturing

    harry knowles' natalie portman story where her and her friend made him a special card during a slumber party? i know that was deleted, and i just want to have someone tell me i didnt hallucinate it.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Gambit = Han Solo

    by BRUTICUS

    Anyone else catch this vibe? I found quite a few moments of the movie to be heavily inspired by star wars...

  • April 4, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST

    I don't get your logic Mori...

    by DarthBakpao

    Leaked scripts are STOLEN properties, similar to leaked workprints, it is illegal. IF you write/received reviews based on STOLEN scripts, then tell me, how's that different with writing/receiving reviews based on leaked workprints?

  • April 4, 2009, 3:26 a.m. CST

    DarthBakpao, they will tell you that it's not illegal.

    by FookU

    Moriarty has been busy justifying himself over and over. It is the same thing but since it's released to the wild rather than one individual somehow it's different apparently. Whatever.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Fuck you too NivekJ.

    by FookU

    I mean you wanted to be flamed right? Rest assured I can call you an asshole and a douche bag and not only spell it correctly but use proper grammar as well.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Proper grammar

    by NivekJ

    You forgot a comma after 'flamed', pussy.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:39 a.m. CST

    FookU

    by DarthBakpao

    What i see here is someone who defends himself more and more into a corner

  • April 4, 2009, 3:42 a.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty, WITH THAT QUARTER....

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    I can still afford a better looking mail order bride then the one who shat out "your" kids.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Oh Harry.... take a deep breath

    by ricardoflynn

    Take a deep breath, step back and read your whole article again. "Fox 411 on Foxnews.com - an entirely separate company from 20th Century Fox" Yes Harry, but both owned by News Corp.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:45 a.m. CST

    "Stolen Movie"

    by BRUTICUS

    I don't understand the use of this word. "Stolen" or "Theft" in this type of situation. Maybe someone can clear this up for me but to me. As far as I know it's not illegal to download a movie. I mean anyone can download something by accident. Or have someone rickroll them into downloading something they wren't expecting. What IS illegal is SHARING the movie. And SHARING the movie is NOT theft. Is it? Sharing is illegally distributing. <p><p><p><p>So why do we ever use the word "STOLE" or "THEFT"?

  • April 4, 2009, 3:51 a.m. CST

    So Freidmans article was not a piece on the realities of downloa

    by dailysportspages

    So Freidmans article was not a piece on the realities of downloading? <br> <br> Thats what it looked like to me.<br> At least mixed in with the Wolverine review.<br> It looks like he took advantage of the situation and made a conscious decision to go into this world and report on it. <br> Isnt that what journalists do? <br> Ive read the stories of writers living on the street with the homeless in order to make their article/book about the subject more realistic. <br> <br> Furthermore, this patently hypocritical and obviously misplaced UNrighteous indignation... is simply fucking retarded. <br><br> The LAW.... are you guys really hanging your hat on something being against the fucking LAW? <br><br> Have you ever watched an episode of Bill Mahers show?<br> The guy admits to smoking pot all the time.<br> Pot is illegal, yes even in California unless you have a prescription. <br> OMG he's breaking the lawlz. <br><br> Im not going to sit here and repeat what everyone has already said about Moriarty in the past... i think most of us have a clear understand of that by now.<br> What I will say is that there is only two reasons I can figure for Mori, Beaks, etc... acting like they are acting and calling for a mans job.<br> <br> 1. Its FOX, so fuck em... we all hate FOX so lets take a moment to loosen up the gastric bypass belt and let out some of that pent up triple regurgitated vomit thats patiently stored away for these types of moments.<br><br> 2. They fucked over one of your pals, so payback's a bitch... and her names AICN.<br><br> Of course its most likely a little bit of both.<br> But please, spare everyone the melodramatic bullshit about the poor workers on-set who are losing their lunch every time someone downloads a movie.<br><br> Piracy doesnt hurt their business one bit.<br> Folks who download movies fall into 4 categories.<br><br> 1. Rabid fans who cant wait for it to come out in theaters, so they download it to satisfy their fandom... but then watch it in the theaters the day it comes out because they want to watch it in all its intended movie theater glory.<br> 2. Folks who never had any intention of going to the theater and paying for the movie to begin with.<br> 3. People who are curious about the movie, but not curious enough to spend 10 bucks a seat to see if it sucks or not. Then once watching it at home on their small monitors and under ty resolution and tinny sound... they might decide its worth going to the theater and paying for it.<br> 4. People who want to watch a movie that the was released for a limited run and in limited cities... or maybe not released in your state/country at all. Some of these movies dont even get a DVD release, ever. <br><br>

  • April 4, 2009, 3:55 a.m. CST

    HERE'S A QUARTER OF MCWEENY'S SCRIPT PAVLOV'S DOGS....

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    The white parts are the real script.... http://geocities.com/drewmcweenylovescock/pavlovreview.htm

  • April 4, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    "you can get a blow job"

    by one_guy_from_andromeda

    Really taking the high road here, are ya Mori xD <p>What an asshole...

  • April 4, 2009, 3:57 a.m. CST

    NivekJ.

    by FookU

    Go fuck yourself, bitch.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST

    comment moderation is for pussies cause

    by drturing

    what we have here, sadly and for better or worse, in talkback is pure democracy, even if it's insane. comment moderated sites become full of syncophantic douches and inside jokes and little cliques and people purposely posting the comment that will get moderated up. at aicn anything goes. you want to get attention? then be smart and clever enough to do so.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    that's correct the fox piece was about the realities of download

    by theplant

    and the downloading phenomenon mixed in with WV workprint taken as an example. To call for the guy to be fired is unfucking professional, it's the nadir of 15 years of this site reports. Moriarty, you should be ashamed of yourself

  • April 4, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    So let me get this straight...

    by Sleeperkid

    ...Harry reviewing an illegal screening of AOTC is ok, but one of us reviewing an illegal screening of WOLVERINE is deplorable? I'm assuming 99.9 % of the folks who've seen the workprint didn't STEAL it, which is the apparent difference vtw Harry and the guy who made off with the WOLVERINE print. So why forbid a review from a fan who, say, watched it at a friend's house just like Harry did with AOTC?

  • April 4, 2009, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Harry avatar vomiting

    by theplant

    just clearly, shows exactly what this site has become.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:15 a.m. CST

    you people are all missing the point

    by BrainFart

    The issue is quality control. I wanna see my favorite fictional characters brought to life on the big screen, the ones i fell in love with reading about as a kid and still now as an adult. Now why would you make up a new story change the characters and make up new ones. What are they gaining?

  • April 4, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    To make Wolverine a success...

    by theplant

    All they needed was to use the Miller / Claremont mini series, and incorporate the Weapon X origin in flashbacks, and presto, they had a 60 millions $ budgeted movie making 500 millions at the BO. But no, they had to listen to Harry Knowles, Moriarty, and all the fanboys, and incorporate 572 mutants from the comics in the storyline so that they wouldn't complain on AICN about "niaaaahhh niaaahhhh Gambit is missing waaaaa waaaa". Harry, you disgust me. Moriarty, you misuse the stupid influence you have on studios. If any super hero movie sucks, IT'S BECAUSE OF AICN INFLUENCE. YOU ARE GUILTY !

  • April 4, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    one_guy_from_andromeda, MCWEENY IS ALL ABOUT THE HIGH ROAD...

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    What do you expect from a University dropout? Of course he'll come back with "well, at least I was at University" which is like me saying that at least I sent my resume to NASA. The fact is that this douchebag is pushing 40, has spent the better part of the last decade shilling the scripts that Scott Swan writes, has 3 TV episodes to his name and his only means of income is selling advertising space on his shitty website and the money his mail order bride makes from performing in bestiality flicks.

  • WIMP.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:50 a.m. CST

    If adamantium is so undestructible

    by DarthBakpao

    then why can it be melted into liquid and injected into Logan's bone structures?

  • April 4, 2009, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Man, it's like you guys don't like it here..

    by Jersquall

    I see the same names week after week saying the same old thing. Cursing the writers. looking for something to hate. some of you are the reason things are bad here. I dought this was Harrys vision of AICN.. Some are calling for heads to roll? Wow, Where would you go to shit on people then? Watch and you'll see in a few minutes who i'm talking about.

  • April 4, 2009, 5 a.m. CST

    DarthBakpao

    by BrainFart

    good question. Adamantium is refined as ore like any other metal but once it is refined and liquified it will become adamantium when cooled.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    did i just fall for a geek test?

    by BrainFart

  • April 4, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    SO.... THIS IS THE ANGRY TALKBACK THEN

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

  • April 4, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    lame

    by stallonegger

    the indignant tone in these "editorials" is just sad.downloading shit is here to stay. who cares? We don't all get free blu-rays every week to review. That's something for nothing too.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:12 a.m. CST

    BRUTICUS

    by CRanga

    Everyone confuses the terms. When they talk of theft or stolen workprints, scripts etc, they're just getting theft mixed up with copyright infringement. This is where the legal aspect of it is important. Theft requires the taking of something, without permission, and with the intent to keep it forever. Copyright infringement occurs when something is copied without the right (hence copyright). Copyright infringement can occur in a number of situations, including copying something or sharing something copied. Downloading a copyrighted movie without permission is copyright infringement, but it is not theft. Don't ever get the two mixed up.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    The movie industry isn't coping as well as the music industry

    by penhapus

    with new technologies and distribution methods... as for Wolverine workprint; it's perfectly enjoyable except for the last 20 minutes - if they've sorted that, they've got a 3 out of 5 stars film.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:22 a.m. CST

    The Hulk Workprint

    by HeadpieceToTheStaffOfRa

    Moriarty chastises those who download Hulk workprint (June 9, 2003): <br><br> http://tiny.cc/49Iee <br><br> Moriarty apologizes (June 11, 2003): <br><br> http://tiny.cc/8Osls

  • April 4, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Moriarty only apologised

    by penhapus

    for being mean to people who sent in reviews; certainly not encouraging downloads.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:31 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams' Superman Script

    by HeadpieceToTheStaffOfRa

    Also, here's Moriarty's scathing review (justifiably) of JJ Abrams' script for the proposed Superman film in 2002. I'm sure it was sent to him from Abrams himself or the President of Warner Brothers (as they would be the rightful copyrite owners and receiving it from anyone else would be a violation of US copyrite law or someone's employment contract with Warner Brothers): <br><br> http://tinyurl.com/ck8jr

  • April 4, 2009, 5:34 a.m. CST

    wolverine

    by klag

    I don't understand my copy had some things missing and a cartoon ending does anyone have a proper copy cos i don't want to spend money on films also does anyone have the new star wars by the cloverleaf director. fuck,writing is hard.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:35 a.m. CST

    New issue of deadpool

    by BrainFart

    On the cover he is decapitated holding his own head and winking

  • April 4, 2009, 5:35 a.m. CST

    This is the last straw for me.

    by Unbelievable

    I've been a regular reader since the days when the most interesting thing about this site was the remixed Star Wars gifs Harry made himself. The leaked Starship Troopers bug designs - all that great, subversive stuff. But this calling for someone's job for reviewing a leaked movie is jaw-droppingly, disgracefully hypocritical - no amount of justification can change that. It's bullshit, and the defensive tone of the editorial staff makes it obvious that they realize it, too. The whole thing astounds and disappoints me to the point where I feel ill thinking that I am supporting the site by contributing to the advertising revenue. I will never come here again. I am through. There are so many better sites for film news these days, and I'm off to one of them right now.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Abrams' reaction to Moriarty's script review

    by HeadpieceToTheStaffOfRa

    http://tinyurl.com/db6u5g

  • April 4, 2009, 5:55 a.m. CST

    AMEN!!! NIVEK!!!

    by champvinyl

    Sing it brotha!!! <p> i hate what the internet has become

  • April 4, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    I already said that...

    by emeraldboy

    I feel Harry is new gif revolting.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    There

    by Cobbio

    I saw it and thought most of the scenes looked pretty good, though I'm glad they did re-shoots. It definitely needed more.<p> A finished movie with more effects and scenes could mold this into something much, much better. I'll probably be there opening day.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    LONG LIVE MEMFLEX

    by buffywrestling

    Do you guys remember that shit when he got fired? Talkbackers were up in arms, man. I like those days, when TBers rallied around. <p> It's not the same anymore...

  • April 4, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Legality of AOTC review

    by Son of the Suns

    To quote "I saw Star Wars Episode Two: Attack of the Clones hours ago. The ‘how’ of that will be a thing of mystery buried in a passed piece of paper from my book signing with a hotel, a room number and a time listed upon it. You don’t want to know about that room or the person(s) in that room, you want to know about Episode Two."... Sounds legal. Right? So, let me put this question out there. If someone approached me, with a time and place and 'wolverine' written on it, I go and watch it, then review it. That's perfectly fine. Should however exactly the same thing be done via an MSN message with a link to a file, that's entirely illegal? If AICN can't see how people are entirely confused by this then, in my opinion, they are VERY ignorant.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Playkins - Episode 2

    by HEADGEEK

    First off - I was shown EPISODE 2. The print I saw was never released to the public, was placed safely back in Lucasfilm's hands - and my source was never found. (Contrary to what you may read on the internet). <BR><BR>Journalists and Reporters often have sources - and watching what those sources show you is "fair game" - so long as no monetary loss can be shown. <BR><BR>Friedman did not have a "Source" - he downloaded an illegal print, then bragged that he was going to download another. And he works for the parent company involved in all of this. <BR><BR>My punishment for seeing EPISODE 2 - because FOX doesn't control AINT IT COOL, INC - was basically to rarely if ever be invited to press screenings - which I am banned from Locally. That's all they could do to me because... I NEVER HAD POSSESSION of the film. I NEVER RECEIVED IT. I was shown it. NOW... they could have put me in jail to reveal my sources, who took great personal risk and peril to show me the film, but it is a journalist's job to stay true to their sources and not roll over on them. <BR><BR>Harry

  • April 4, 2009, 6:07 a.m. CST

    CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    by The Curious Dr Humpp

    Come on man, that's the mother of his children you're talking about. There's a certain line you do not cross. And you just did. Sorry, call me an a-hole for saying this, but that's just how I feel.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST

    I am unbelievable on this one...

    by Marcus[G]

    Calling for someone to be fired over watching a leaked movie is quite a bit over the top. Suck up your pseudo-righteuos rage and think about what kind of impact losing your job can have on ones life. It surely was stupid of him to review the movie at this point and such behaviour does warrant some kind of penalty, but the studios are no saints themselves so keep things in perspective.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST

    by Son of the Suns

    "Journalists and Reporters often have sources - and watching what those sources show you is "fair game" - so long as no monetary loss can be shown."... How do yo ushow the monetary loss of a negative review on an unfinished film?

  • April 4, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    by Son of the Suns

    "I NEVER HAD POSSESSION of the film. I NEVER RECEIVED IT. I was shown it." So, let me get this straight. My friend Joe invites me round. Shows me Wolverine. I never have it, or have downloaded it. I'm okay to review it?

  • April 4, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    yep...

    by yubnubrocks

    That sounds like what he's saying. And true, how do you show the monetary loss of a negative review on an unfinished film??

  • April 4, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST

    RE: Harry watching AOTC

    by HeadpieceToTheStaffOfRa

    Unless Harry's source for the AOTC print was authorized by George Lucas to show the print to Knowles, then it is either a violation of copyright law or the source's employment contract and possible criminal violation of trade secret law (or all three). It just is, whether you call yourself a journalist or not.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:18 a.m. CST

    If the general word of mouth...

    by penhapus

    is that Wolverine is terrible (and that word of mouth is generated from negative reviews of a work print) and people don't go to the cinema to see it, I think that qualifies as 'monetary loss'. I don't care, because it's a not very good film that AICN are defending because they are gay for Hugh Jackman, but it will cost Fox £££ (sorry, $$$). I still think you can run reviews of it detached from how people saw it, and I think Harry & co. are wussing out by not doing so.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:23 a.m. CST

    the clusterfuck

    by TheExterminator

    continues

  • April 4, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Wow.

    by Swoomustdie

    Calling for someones head that did the same thing this site was built on. I'm near-speechless.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Here's why AICN's argument is ridiculous ...

    by HeadpieceToTheStaffOfRa

    According to AICN (Moriarty, Harry, Beaks) ... <br><br> If a guy working on special effects for the film Wolverine takes a rough cut of the film and uploads it to the internet (anonymously, and against the studio's wishes) and then I download a copy on and then subsequently write a review of the film ... then I have committed a sin worthy of firing (or criminal investigation, or any other number of bad outcomes). <br><br> BUT ... <br><br> If that very same special effects guy takes a DVD copy of that same rough cut to Harry's house (anonymously, and against the studio's wishes), shows it to Harry, and then Knowles proceeds to write a review of the rough cut on AICN ... then that is perfectly reasonable and well within the bounds of journalist ethics (or whatever the hell kind of argument he's trying to make). <br><br> It's ridiculous. Either they are both legal or they are both illegal. Either they are both ethical or they are both unethical. There's no difference (legally or morally).

  • April 4, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST

    This is someone's career and family

    by jimmy_009

    Why don't you let the parties involved decide what should be done instead of calling for a fucking witch hunt to have the guy lose his job. You're not even involved in this. I'm really disappointed that you're trying to have someone's career and livelihood ruined so you can be on a high horse. If he screwed up then he'll probably pay for it. Roiling up the masses against this poor schlub is uncalled for.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST

    HeadpieceToTheStaffOfRa

    by penhapus

    The distinction is that with the former, only negative word of mouth will impact on box office. With the latter - and I know a fair chunk of downloaders wouldn't go to the cinema anyway, but... - it has an affect directly (how much is another debate) on the box office. AICN's attitude is still all over the shop, and since when has Harry been a journalist? I missed that one...

  • April 4, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    headpiece, exactly...

    by champvinyl

    they're arguing for their own position, i.e. the fatass movie critic mentality. If they dont get off their ass and someone comes over and *SHOWS* them the film, and i *of course* know noooothing then its alright. If however I'm not a lazy tard and go download the thing and review it, I'm a criminal. Mostly because i might threatened their positions. <p> AICN is just a site i come to now to watch the monkeys throw shit... and the "King-kongs" (yeah i'm talking to you harry), are obviously the biggest shit-flingers of the bunch. <P> It's kinda depressing to see a bunch of delusional fllm nerds fall so far down the rabbit hole.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST

    penhapus - you missed my point

    by HeadpieceToTheStaffOfRa

    What you say is exactly right, in regards to the disgruntled special effects worker in my hypothetical. But Harry and Moriarty aren't attacking that person. They are directing their attack at the film reviewer; the film reviewer that did the exact same thing AICN has done for years. <br><br> Regardless of their stance on the workprint leaker, they are calling for criminal and fiscal (loss of employment) penalties on the movie critic. And calling him unethical. <br><br> It doesn't make any sense.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST

    ace

    by champvinyl

    its because from day one, this site has been run by neckbeard-film-nerd-douchebags... who want to be "In the biz". <p> It's sad because they still cling to it.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    harry is bitter and frustrated...

    by emeraldboy

    cause he couldnt get his production career off the ground. Harry knowles is a bullshit artist. pure and simple. fox has never forgiven him about Rollerball remake. which was a terrible film. Review the movie. cranks taking potshots at hollywood holds no interest for anyone.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands - Exactly

    by jimmy_009

    This site was born out of "illegal" information. I can't fathom what is possessing someone to not only condemn someone FROM THIS SITE from reviewing it but actually calling for the person to lose his job like we're the morality police or something? I don't agree with what the guy did, but to read that updated post calling for the guy to be sacked just rubbed me the wrong way. Not what I thought this site was about.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:50 a.m. CST

    That reads wrong

    by jimmy_009

    Should read "I can't fathom what is possessing someone FROM THIS SITE to not only condemn..." There. Now it makes sense.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Harry, shit, man you fucked up on this...

    by Cameron1

    Your AOTC argument is based one thing only - that you are somehow more worthy of seeing the film because you know people willing to do illegal things to get a hold of said film.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    I am reading this talkback..

    by emeraldboy

    and the conclusion is that this site has been turned into a place film hatred.

  • April 4, 2009, 7:03 a.m. CST

    If murdoch..

    by emeraldboy

    does sell 20th century Fox. who will buy it. nobody. and it will be shut and all of the people will lose thier jobs. If this site keeps up its attacks on fox, I would strongly urge those sacked workers to sue this site and its owner.

  • April 4, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    A lot of you fail at logic...

    by Sebilrazen

    I think the beef is, not only does he download a movie from his own parent company that they have decided not to show him and he reviews it giving it a decidedly positive review, but he also advocates, through indications of his plans, downloading a film from his parent company's competitor - to me that's where the line is crossed.<br>Mori has admitted downloading movies before their US release, guess what, he probably bought the movie when it was made available. I do the same thing - I downloaded the entire first season of True Blood - the same time I pre-ordered the season on Blu-ray.<br>This is a non-stop argument though, it's like religion, you can't use logic on some people.

  • April 4, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    This talkback is legendaty, Drew gets owned!!

    by Dancingforever

  • April 4, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST

    for some people its ethics, for others its kinda personal.

    by champvinyl

  • April 4, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Sebilrazen

    by jimmy_009

    A) I understand what the "beef" is. My problem is with how AICN is calling for this person to lose his job, his very livelihood. This is irresponsible as this site has fuck nothing to do with Fox and their rules and what goes one with internal company matters. AICN and it's writers are in a position to influence a large amount of people.If Fox suddenly gets wind that there's a huge outcry to sack this reporter, do you think they'll think twice? They'll nip it in the bud before they get bad (or worse) PR. This is someone's life AICN is fucking with, over something they do themselves. Fuck that. And B) just cause you "buy it later" doesn't make it any more legal. It's like saying you can go steal a Hershey bar as long as you buy another one later.

  • April 4, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    It's about the "presentation" of the films

    by buffywrestling

    I can understand it, in a sense. Some guy brings a sneak/prev to your house vs sketchy download. <p> Both are reviewed but I think it's how you have retrieved the film that makes things a little more cut and dry, not the review itself.

  • April 4, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    you guys all suck

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    i used to come to this site for cool news about movies/tv shows/mostly honest reviews. now not only is harry and everyone else under the big ol corporate chicken wing writing anything to get a web hit for some dumb toy advertisement, but here i am actually scanning a talkback policed by one of harry's minions defending himself like he were fighting a godamn tiger with a toothpick. not only do i feel stupid for caring about this dumb bullshit, but it makes me feel like you ALL have forgotten the fucking REASON you stupid nerdfucks go see movies in the first place. is it not to trick your mind into escaping into a reality that is not your own? cinema should be what it used to be, something you enjoy personally. yet, history has proven that not only is everyone a critic, but they're all right... right, just like i'm fucking sinbad making a career comeback... on numerous occasions on this very site i have voiced my own opinion as foolishly as most of you. but only until now have i realized how foolhardy and, for lack of a better word, RETARDED, it was to do so. there isn't a single one of you, (harry and co. included) that could even slightly sway my opinion in the least. i truly hope that somebody who reads this can at the very least TRY and fathom exactly what im trying to convey in this text (another reminder to you dumb fucks who think they are SAYING anything by TYPING, when in fact they are not). the saddest part is that i'm not even a third of the age of cinema, yet, i can honestly say i get more out of film then all of you combined. guess why... i dont have a stake in it; not opinion, money, reputation, etc. which makes me beg the question that most of you have forgotten- what the fuck is this website's purpose?

  • April 4, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    you guys all suck

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    i used to come to this site for cool news about movies/tv shows/mostly honest reviews. now not only is harry and everyone else under the big ol corporate chicken wing writing anything to get a web hit for some dumb toy advertisement, but here i am actually scanning a talkback policed by one of harry's minions defending himself like he were fighting a godamn tiger with a toothpick. not only do i feel stupid for caring about this dumb bullshit, but it makes me feel like you ALL have forgotten the fucking REASON you stupid nerdfucks go see movies in the first place. is it not to trick your mind into escaping into a reality that is not your own? cinema should be what it used to be, something you enjoy personally. yet, history has proven that not only is everyone a critic, but they're all right... right, just like i'm fucking sinbad making a career comeback... on numerous occasions on this very site i have voiced my own opinion as foolishly as most of you. but only until now have i realized how foolhardy and, for lack of a better word, RETARDED, it was to do so. there isn't a single one of you, (harry and co. included) that could even slightly sway my opinion in the least. i truly hope that somebody who reads this can at the very least TRY and fathom exactly what im trying to convey in this text (another reminder to you dumb fucks who think they are SAYING anything by TYPING, when in fact they are not). the saddest part is that i'm not even a third of the age of cinema, yet, i can honestly say i get more out of film then all of you combined. guess why... i dont have a stake in it; not opinion, money, reputation, etc. which makes me beg the question that most of you have forgotten- what the fuck is this website's purpose?

  • April 4, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    ok, buffywrestling but what if that dodgy guy then..

    by Cameron1

    takes it round to Mori's house and Devin from Chud's and Nathan Rabin's and so on and so on, are we saying that just because these guys review films on websites they somehow have more right than a general member of he public to see an illegal copy of the film? What if Harry was offered the oppurtunity to see AOTC and review it but the contact had uploaded it to rapidshare and given only Harry the password to unrar the file, would that be ok for Harry to review? I'd really like to see what Harry has to say about that actually.

  • April 4, 2009, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Here's what I see...

    by jimmy_009

    AICN catches Fox and a Fox reporter in an ethically compromising position > AICN feels morally righteous > AICN acts on this moral righteousness to make themselves feel superior > AICN puts the call out to fire a reporter. Sad, what's next, AICN files a lawsuit? Just be happy that you called out Fox, everyone knows it, and let it be. You start being the morality police demanding retribution and you can count me out.

  • April 4, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Basically...

    by joergn

    you are allowed to talk and write about set-reports, trailers, early screenings and everything that makes you watch the movie but if you criticize a almost finished product and it turns out to suck, it´s illegal or not ok? Let´s be quite honest 10 extra minutes couldn´t help "Ghost Rider", "Electra" or any other of these movies to turn out any better. Seemingly Fox is just doing a lousy job all around in making quality products, in saving these products and in dealing with the aftershocks of their failure. Come on, a reporter of the very own company (and no matter if splitted into 200 different smaller companies, it still Fox) reviewing the downloaded movie? How stupid can these poeple possibly be?

  • April 4, 2009, 7:42 a.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by Sebilrazen

    AICN is basically saying that News Corp should apply the same treatment in similar cases. A projectionist let loose an early review of Fantastic Four (against their wishes) and Fox got them fired, one of their own reviewers reviewed an early cut of Wolverine (against their wishes) so Fox should fire them. Otherwise it's a case of "it's not breaking the law if we do it, but is if anyone else does." <br><br> I'm not saying they need to fire him, I'm saying I'll be happy if they get Jesse Morrison his job back and reimburse him for wages lost since the Fantastic Four debacle. <br><br>Again, that's my opinion. <br><br> However, I think if Fox takes no action on their reviewer, they should wave all rights to prosecute the sharing of the movie in the first place and issue a public apology to Paramount for the mentioning of downloading their movie.

  • April 4, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Fox can go and....

    by Kizeesh

    ...eat a dick.<p> They've squandered all my good favour with crap re-makes shoddy scripts and butchered concepts.<p>

  • April 4, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Harry NUKED THE FRIDGE !!

    by lanalangsucks

    ASS!

  • April 4, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Heh

    by jdb1972

    What's funny is that Friedman is a reflexive Hollywood leftist who never misses a chance to inject his politics into a column. Maybe there's a future for him as a contributor at AICN?

  • April 4, 2009, 7:56 a.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by Sebilrazen

    about B)I think the candy bar analogy is shit, but agree with your point in principle. It seems you're arguing that there is only "right" vs. "wrong" with no degrees of variance, I disagree with that. In my opinion there's 3 levels: wrong - downloading with no intent to actually pay for the files you're getting; bad - downloading files before they are legally made available and actually paying for them once they are legally made available in digital or physical media(paying for same quality or better); and finally good - waiting for the media to be legally made available before obtaining at all.

  • April 4, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST

    I'm with headpiece

    by cool_britannia79

    watching a movie or version of a movie that you are not authorized by the studio to watch is either ethical or not. There is no distinction between AOTC and Wolverine. Harry and co, your arguments have been stretched so thin you sound like parodies of yourselves. The guy tried to put a positive spin on what is undeniably a completely shit movie. So he should be fired?! You guys do the same thing every day! In fact, AOTC was you spinning a shit movie!

  • April 4, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST

    However you justify it Sebilrazen

    by jimmy_009

    People usually justify why they aren't doing something that's bad. I'm not here to judge you, I could care less what you do. But the candy bar analogy is apt. You are getting something that is NOT what you are paying for. You are paying for ONE specific thing, a movie on a dvd/blu ray. You are GETTING two things, one of which you did not pay for. The analogy is completely relevant.

  • April 4, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST

    The Curious Dr Humpp, FEDEX DELIVERED HIS WHORE C.O.D. AND…..

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    He just ignores the fact that "his" kids are black because he can't handle the truth that the mongrel slut likes taking nubian cock in her rancid STD riddled baby wallet while face down in a garbage can because it’s more romantic then a night with that fat whiney pussy she married for her Green Card.

  • April 4, 2009, 8:05 a.m. CST

    By your logic Sebilrazen

    by jimmy_009

    If you paid to see it in theaters that would give you the right to walk into a store and take a movie on DVD. Same logic as if you paid to have it on DVD you can take a digital copy.

  • April 4, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Cam

    by buffywrestling

    But, so far as we know, that didn't happen. That is a "What if?" scenario and not an actual "This happened." Sure , you could speculate til the cows come home but Harry gave his side and he presented - with proof - Friedman's side. It's inconsquential to trump up a larger scenario than what was presented. It just becomes gossip at that point, imo.

  • April 4, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands, THE ISSUE OF MCWEENY RIPPING OFF FLICKER.....

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    Came up back in 2005 when I saw the synopsis of Cigarette Burns and immediately knew that the whiney fat pussy had ripped off Theodore Roszak’s novel which I had read in 1993. McWeeny’s from the James Gunn school of complete and total unoriginality. The only difference is that Gunn blew the right people while Drew’s been sucking cock in all the wrong places.

  • April 4, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST

    What about HD-DVD....

    by Mindworm22

    ...that's the one that killed me. Harry was sooooooo over his head when he accepted bribes from the HD-DVD camp and reported on tech he had no clue about (i.e. "Backwards compatability just feels right!"). I love me some blu-ray....and Harry can suck it when he specifically talks about the high road. Big time.

  • April 4, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST

    We shoud have a Hollywood gossip TB!!

    by buffywrestling

    I think we are on the right track so far and it can only get more JUICY!!

  • April 4, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    My point, Buffy,was that...

    by Cameron1

    Harry's defense of him reviewing AOTC is based on an incredibly flimsy and half arsed distinction between Harry getting to watch something illegally by virtue of his connections and the rest of us getting to watch something illegally by virtue of our internet connections

  • April 4, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Look out, Hollywood! Bit Torrent's gon' get your mama!

    by blackmantis

    Bit torrent will be the end of Hollywood. Your monopoly on distribution has come to an end. Long live the net!

  • April 4, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    I know Harry, I much prefer sitting in a strange hotel room watc

    by BobWinters5

    You know Harry, like you did for the Episode II "early cut" review.

  • April 4, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    hing an unfinished cut of a major film.

    by BobWinters5

    Damn break.

  • April 4, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Does Friedman have a family to feed during this recession?

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    And McWeeny is calling for him to be sacked over a POSITIVE review? Hey, McWeeny, piss off! Who the fuck asked YOU? This should be simple slap on the wrist if anything for Friedman and if he gets fired over this shite and his family goes through hardship because YOU want to latch your bloated jealous ego onto his sudden media infamy, I hope that karma zaps you right back and finds YOU giving those "quarter blowjobs." By the way, in case nobody ever told you... you're a mean arsehole. Go back to shitfix.

  • April 4, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I saw it. It's a terrible film

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Even worse than Fantastic Four and X3. It's fucking boring! The action is tedious. Why did they get Gavin Hood to direct this?

  • April 4, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Karma is a Bitch!

    by Darth_Kaos

    I think Fox is getting what they deserve after the Watchmen bullshit.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    AICN's own journalist standards aside...

    by Freakemovie

    ...can you believe what a massive idiot Friedman is? Seriously, what on earth was he thinking? Talk about a false sense of job security. Maybe he heard rumors they were going to fire him and decided to burn the place down while he still could. That's the only rational explanation; otherwise, what an idiot.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Actually Harry, you just hate Fox News

    by ZoeFan

    So any chance you have to climb all over that organization you will.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    NIce one Drew

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Your comments on where Ron Wells is now, firmly cements you in my mind as that douche bag character who was the nemesis of Ricky Gervais in Extras. You know the smug twat who had marginally more success than those around him but was in reality a sad sad shite of a man.<p> <P> None of the arguments that you or Harry have put up here have any merit. Yep in the cold light of day there could be something for Fox to sort out with Friedman but for you two half-wits to be demanding blood is beyond belief.<p><p> Maybe an apology apropos your Hulk apology would be in order for your condescending and arrogant posts on this talk-back. Better still, just fuck off like you promised you would and stop coming back here trying to generate interest in your immature whitterings.<p><p> On a final note I'd just like to say that the only thing that makes this site in any way relevant nowadays is the talk-backers, be they genius or psychotic. The hosts and contributors to the site are worthless self absorbed losers.<p><p>

  • April 4, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Mori please go home.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    You claim to be a talented writer, yet you come back on the AIC talkbacks to bitch at some of the other talkbackers, calling them cookies and cunts. You are just sinking down to there level and its really unprofessional. Can't you just move on with your career and leave all this bullshit talkback behind? I am not taking a shot at you here, just my 2 cents.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    If a link is deleted on the web . . .

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    it isn't gone forever... just saying.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    What's the point of AICN, if not the earliest possible

    by CreasyBear

    looks at movies, especially geek movies? I understand the argument that in this particular case, the print reviewed might no longer be relevant to the finished movie, but in general, I would gladly sacrifice some of the studio-friendly on-set interviews for more bits and pieces of truths that might piss the studios off.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Hey Everyone!

    by WYLD STALLYNS RULES

    What's going on in this Talkback?

  • April 4, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    "calling for someone's job for reviewing a leaked movie" This gu

    by lanalangsucks

    You FUCKS!

  • April 4, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Fuck AICN i'm Going to www.NukeTheFridge.com

    by lanalangsucks

  • April 4, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Fuck AICN i'm Going to www.NukeTheFridge.com

    by lanalangsucks

  • April 4, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Fuck AICN i'm Going to www.NukeTheFridge.com

    by lanalangsucks

  • April 4, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    And as far as leaked info ruining people's lives,

    by CreasyBear

    ANY negative review can affect ticket sales, which down the domino-line can cause people to get fired, make less money, whatever. If the number one goal is job security for all filmmakers, then just have every single review be purely positive. Pretend there's no difference between Christopher Nolan and Tim Story, or Guillermo del Toro and Mark Steven Johnson. I really don't understand how a site like this, which should be subversive and fan-centric at all costs, makes the argument that what's bad for certain movie studios is inherently bad for movie fans. Non sequitur.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Fuck AICN i'm Going to www.LatinoReview.com

    by lanalangsucks

  • April 4, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    I'm confused. . .

    by heyscot

    I think what happened with Wolverine is wrong, but I also feel like Fox has been roundly criticized by the community for a lot of different things related to Watchmen and other issues. I think it's wrong to steal, but at what point does this conversation cut off when it comes to sites like this one? There are major spoilers about movies on this site; it's what this site is pretty much about a lot of the time. On the other hand, when AICN posts a spoiler-free review, it's great--I love the reviews that Moriarty, Harry, and others have put up here. Mr. Beaks and Alexandra duPont have also written just amazing reviews. But I guess I don't understand the distinction yet between what happened with Wolverine and what happens daily with movies being spoiled ahead of their release. Why is one okay but the other isn't? Should they be in the same conversation? I respect the contributors on this site because they don't run around just nerd-raging and calling people "cunts." You guys would never act like this to someone's face and, if you did, no one would talk to you.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    I don't hate Harry like most of you seem to do.

    by DerLanghaarige

    In fact, just don't hate him and sometimes even understand the kind of love he has for movies that some angry nerds otherwise hate. But sometimes I really wish he would keep his answers short, simple and especially logical.<br> Like when he explained why AICN didn't cover Bale's behaviour at the T4 set. All he had to say would be: "AICN isn't about celebrity gossip." Or with the ATOC review. Instead of writing some easy deconstructable story about journalism, he had just should have said: "Yeah, that was years ago and I'm not proud of it, but I grew up in this case and don't do this anymore."<br> But that's just me.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Karma is a bitch all right..

    by Stalkeye

    ..especially for Marvel who fucked Kirby,Ditko,Gerber and even Len Wein over. (somewhere, Len is smiling over this shit.)Fox and Marvel can kiss my ass. Piracy is fucked up but so is hollywood putting out shitty movies and remakes.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    There is an "I" missing after "In fact".

    by DerLanghaarige

  • April 4, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Drew can be thin skinned.

    by Sal_Bando

    Make a joke about Uncapie and Minor-Jeff having a boxing match, and the winner gets to write for John Carpenter sponsered by Hooked On Phonics-and BAM--<p> I thought it was funny myself.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Cam

    by buffywrestling

    I get where you are coming from (I think?). You don't think there is distinction between the method (or DELIVERY) of the distribution of leaks. I however, think there is, as I stated re: vs.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    In the case of pirating porn..

    by Stalkeye

    ..It's more than ok with me. I kinda hate the fact that guys are getting paid copious amounts of $$$ for having too much fun on the job."Yarrgggh"!

  • April 4, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Physical Data

    by Eonz_Higlo

    This is my first post on this site ever. I am a pirate. Now technically, I downloaded the work print. I watched the stupid fucking thing. I want you to tear apart my HDD and point out to me exactly where on that shiny disc that copy was. If you can find it, I will gladly turn myself in to the FBI or FOX or whoever is looking for me. You cannot touch data. It's 1 and 0's on a basic level. When's the last time you touched a 1 or a 0? When's the last time you were able to physically reach out and with your finger and touch data and were able to manipulate it without a dozen other mechanical feature to help you along? This whole thing is pointless. Now according to at least one editor, this would not be illegal. At first I couldn't believe all the posts on piracy and blah blah blah. Then I thought, surely you were trying to get back at FOX because, I don't know, maybe they had done you harm at sometime or another. But with this new post, I am back to being completely dumbfounded by the staff here. Being on a moral high ground isn't what bothers me though. If fact I'm indifferent to what all of the staff has to say, about me or anybody. It's the fact that none of you recognize how naive you are. This isn't simply a TB anymore. Despite all the references to cock sucking and mom fucking that some other people have mentioned, there have been huge points made on piracy and lack of copyright management skills by major companies. It may just start with wolverine, but the thoughts and opinions expressed here are valid. Because we are the fucking people. Not them. Not editors, not companies. Us. We are the fucking people. And we dont answer to you. I'm not defending or condoning piracy. That's for a single person to decide whether or not they can draw a line at any given point. The point here being, regardless of the wolverine movie, major changes need to happen in the online world if people want their shit to remain theirs. If it keeps going unchecked like this, your site will crash due to all the people complaining or cheering on whatever cause they wish to back. So, please, for the love of god...PICK A FUCKING SIDE!

  • April 4, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Allison Bales of Reel Talk gave ,AICN a shout-out

    by Stalkeye

    for mentioning that the files have a virus that can be tracked to the p2p user.(Bloody Brit Bitch) What a desperate scare tatic these fuckers will come up with yet somewhere there's a copy sitting on their desk.<p>Fox got arrogant with the Watchmen release, now the Rothmen got spanked for acting cute. Ah, life is good.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    THIS TALKBACK IS MAD CRAZY!!!!!!

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Thanks Fox!!!

  • April 4, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Technically yeah your right.

    by Xanthious

    It just seems like the AICN staff are hiding behind technicalities. Sure all the early reviews, pictures, etc weren't against the law, but a good majority weren't things the studios wanted floating around either. So I guess being unethical is fine so much as you just can't be legally held accountable.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Once again, about AOTC

    by BobWinters5

    "I was scared and thrilled to be watching Episode 2. The entire time I was in that hotel room, I was convinced that agents of Lucasfilm were going to knock down the doors and I knew I was being set up for a fall. I mean, it isn’t possible to see STAR WARS early. I know that, but there I was watching it." Scared because it was a perfectly legal and non-stolen copy?

  • April 4, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    But how do I explain this to my kids?

    by kafka07

    Their idol is Roger Friedman and they love Fox news. This will confuse them and I fear now they will break the law too.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    for the love of BALE

    by cool_britannia79

    where are the professionals? why aren't they running the site by now? haver you got any idea how fucking distracting it is to try and be reading major scoops on geek movies only to have you pricks walk into my eyeline and preach hypocrisy at me? I've never had a scoop site behave like this. Never. Do you want me to trash your pirate bay? DO YOU?! McG, you got anything to say to these pricks?

  • April 4, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Mori, I see your point, but the article doesn't read like that

    by lex romero

    Your point, and some of the other talkbackers point, that Fox needs to fire him or come down hard on him etc is needed because otherwise it shows a "one rule for us, another for them" is sound and I definatly agree. However surely you can see that this explaination did not come through in the article? But rather an attitude that left a bad taste in everyones mouth, an attitude that AICN/hitfix is somehow morally superior because "we don't run illegal reviews" came across, whilst avoiding the issue of AotC that had been raised earlier this week? An attitude that cried out for a man to lose his livelyhood? It's the same kind of horrible attitude you condemn many of the talkbackers for. <br><br> It was the same kind of attitude that permeated the first article, a holier than thou position that anyone who downloads the film is evil and their actions will lead to people losing their jobs. Yet in the same breath admit "well yeah, I've downloaded stuff before". I'd never argue that illegal downloading films/music etc was anything but illegal, and anyone that tries to argue it's ok or "legally grey" is wrong. But the attitude that has come across is extreme. It's not just a "this is illegal, we won't watch/review it". It was an OTT "zomg this is horrible you are evil for doing this I am disgusted!". <br><br> Not to bring up the AotC issue again, but the defense that it was "ok" seems to be splitting hairs. The basic logic that "a man stole an unfinished copy of a film for me and let me watch it in a room then returned it" seems logically unsound. It's essentially saying "it's ok for one or two people to see this illegally and review it, but not for lots of people to see it illegally and review it". It's a seperation of journalist and the general public that doesn't exist. Lets assume it wasn't harry that had been shown the work print of AotC, would AICN have run a review? Looking at how they've reported on the wolverine leaking I'd assume no. Which shows a hideous double standard between what the "media" (which surely AICN never claims to be?) is allowed and what the "general public" is allowed. If the articles had just made this point I wouldn't have been particularly bothered, it's more the fact there is a lot of this mock outrage, claims that you drew were really "angry" and how terrible this is, hyperbolic statements that seem to imply downloading the film will lead to thousands of people that worked on the film with no money or home. <br><br>When all it boils down to is that we have two situations where a man was able to watch an illegal copy of a workprint and write a review. How it was stolen doesn't matter, that it was "put back" doesn't matter, that it wasn't given to other people doesn't matter. At its core Harry and this Fox dude have done the same thing. I think someone else pointed out, would it be ok for someone to send in a wolverine review who watched the film at a friends house but didn't download it himself? Of course not. And thats' where the hypocricy lies with this.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    FOX lawyers are looking at this Talkback right now...

    by Leafar the Lost

    ...and they are taking down the names of anyone who has admitted to downloading a pirated copy of "Wolverine: Origins". They will use their computer scientists to find out your real names and addresses. Then, they will raid your dwellings, arrest you, throw your asses in jail, and seize your computers. They will start with Roger Friedman, and then they will work their way down to the Pirate Talkbackers.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    I do enjoy the site actually.

    by Sal_Bando

    Warts and all. I think that downloading a movie that's not even outta film lab whatever is kinda stupid, go see it onscreen where it's meant to be seen. It's not like you won't have your chance-after it is done in the theatres you have cable, dvd, etc. It's an odd thing. Watching Hulu.com on here is okay, but the screen is little and it's not like your tv.<p> Harold has kinda given up the pirate-site on-set spy shit, hasn't been doing that for years now. So I'm thinking he just moved on.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    and hitfix is shit

    by cool_britannia79

    they've got a story about 3 new transformers revealed, i looked at the pics, there is 1 revealed. not 3. fucking amateurs.

  • April 4, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Good luck with that scare tatic Lefar

    by Stalkeye

    ..ppl including the Tbers are not impressed.Oh, if anything, everyone should sue Fox for putting out shit like the Fantastic Four. Refunds FTMFW!!

  • April 4, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Moriarity, explain this please.

    by BobWinters5

    [10:52] -Moriarty- It's taken me almost 25 hours to download SPIRITED AWAY. [10:52] -Moriarty- BUT I AM WITHIN FIVE MINUTES!! [10:52] -Moriarty- IT WILL BE MINE!! [10:52] -UnLuckyTourist- You have cable? [10:52] -UnLuckyTourist- You lucky man. [10:52] -MCVamp- 25 hours good god. [10:52] -BladeRunnerUnit- moriarty, why would you do such a thing? [10:52] -Moriarty- This is the longest any film has ever taken. [10:52] -DirtyRatBastard- Spirited Away? [10:53] -Neth- Moriarty - don't sweat it. It's taken Coolashop.com 2 weeks to deliver my DVD. [10:53] -MCVamp- fastest DL ever for me was Jay and Silent Bob in 2 hours. I was amazed [10:53] -BladeRunnerUnit- moriarty, have you not already got the skill to see the quality of a disney movie by the poster alone? [10:53] -Moriarty- Because I am sick and fucking tired of waiting for Disney to stop boning American Miyazaki fans. [10:53] -Moriarty- I can't wait.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Also, this link

    by BobWinters5

    http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=15427 So, you had something you shouldn't have had that you wanted the internet to see? Fire yourself.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    As for Hitfix

    by Sal_Bando

    It's just kinda 'meh'. It's there. It has a few TB's. The news etc is homogenized and not terribly unique from anything else in the field you can see online. <p> Drew's blog is okay reading though if you're into that sorta thing.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I'm going to Hitfix.com better then AICN

    by lanalangsucks

  • April 4, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    So what have we learned today, class?

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    ......that, (by AICN Logic powered by AICNlogicspeak 2000tm) when something is taken from its owner without permission, and somehow made available for public consumption ( through the internet, let's say), then that's stealing; and anyone that takes advantage of said stolen object by obtaining it from the unpoliced, unregulated, unlegislated internets, and then goes ahead and talks about, should be fired and thrown in jail. Forget the person who stole,....I'm sorry....I mean; "obtained" it in the first place or let it be so "obtained". If, on the other hand, something get's taken from its owner without permission, (like jewelry from you house for instance), BUT, is not made available to the public per se or directly, and is rather shown to a select individual who then gives his glowing, "unbiased" opinion of it to the public, then that is NOT stealing, and NOT a crime. Forget the fact that by most semantic and logical standards that the original item was actually,.....um.....er......you know,......stolen. <p> <p> This recap brought to you by the makers of AICNlogicspeak 2000(tm), powered by the new and improved HypocrisyBS Hybrid(tm) engine and the makers of world-famous 'Chocolate-pussy' Shillmaster 3000(tm) reviews. <p> <p> Hypocrisy. Mmmmmm........tastes as good as 'chocolate covered pussy' (as seen on poster of some-movie reviewed by AICN.....logicspeak).

  • April 4, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    SPAM! FLAME! Seriously, this is insane. Who fucking cares?

    by dr sauch

    It's just another shitty movie. They make em all the time. Yes, Fox is run by stuffy douchebags, yes, they are as opposite to the fanbase they serve as a corporation can be. A bunch of fatties on the internet will not change that. How about you all just shut the fuck up and don't see it?

  • April 4, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    BobWinters5

    by emteem

    Drew did address the Spirited Away thing in his post of Apr 4th, 2009 02:41:28 AM entitled CCon.<p>All Drew has really done ih the talback is say that they need to treat Freidman the same as they did Memflix, etc. <p>Now Harry is the one being a total douchebag by saying that it's okay for him to do something, but not okay for you to do that same thing. Which at the end of the day is what he is saying no matter what kind of weaksauce spin he tries to place on it. I was SHOWN a movie whereas the people in question here have WATCHED a movie and thus it is different.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Ah yes the infamous Klones hotel room thing.

    by Sal_Bando

    And can you imagine if Harold HAD gotten in trouble for seeing that--the movie w/ the sand line and the worst line readings this side of the Duck and Cover propaganda film in the fifties? EEESH.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    WEAKEST talkback EVER!!!!

    by tbdeinc

    This just amazes me... No-one here actually reads the posts they are responding to... NOT ONE PERSON!!!

  • April 4, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Oh, c'mon, let's be honest here.

    by digitalcos

    You guys trying to take the moral high ground on this is laughable at best.<p>You've built your reputations on pushing the limits of this exact behavior as far as you can without legal consequences. Then when someone else crosses that line your first reaction is to start the finger pointing.<p>Let's face it, you're the guys who are driving around with your blood alcohol level just .00000000000001 below the legal limit because you know you can get away with it.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    FIRE HIS ASS, FOX!

    by D.Vader

    Do what's right.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    i didnt download wolverine

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    i just watched it on a certain movie bootlegging site thats kinda like youtube. i wount give out the name though in "fear" of Moriarty screaming at me to be banned. ive been banned to many times already. everytime i question harry its a instant ban. its very annoying. VIVA LA MEMFLIX

  • April 4, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    BobWinters5 LOL mor will just come back

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    with some kind of douchebag repsonse and disguise it as fact.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    If they can track down TBers for

    by buffywrestling

    illegal downloading, why couldn't they track down that horse fucker Equines in Vern's old TB? <p> Cause seriously, horse fucking is way scarier than Wolverine: Origins.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Fuck you moriarty and harold.

    by reaganjn

    You wouldnt give two flying fucks if this was a Warner film. Its only a big deal because its FOX. I just love how moriarty is soo worked up over this now. A little defensive i might say. Your both a couple a hypocritical cock suckers.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    This is all just another example of Harry's hypocrisy....

    by Angry Mike

    Sorry, but anyone, including Drew, defending Harry's early review of AOTC is either extremely misguided or just not being honest. Saying either that Harry didn't steal the print, or it wasn't an illegal screening is just BS. I don't want to attack you Drew, but you should have just stayed out of this one. Defending Harry on this one is making you lose a lot of credit. When this situation is long gone, maybe you will get a different perspective.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    And if Harry "bootleg" AOTC screening wasn't illegal....

    by Angry Mike

    then why wasn't it done at lucasfilm? Why a Hotel room? You gonna tell me this wasn't shady?

  • April 4, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Well, it's not going away

    by Eonz_Higlo

    might as well just apologize. You lost. sorry.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    OK, some questions

    by RaptorJesus

    For TheRealMoriarty. Longtime reader, firsttime talkbacker. I have always enjoyed your reviews, and for that I thank you. But I have to say, I don't understand the stance of this site. Many man people download, which is a fact. It is also questionable as to just how unethical or damaging doing so is to the artists. I also wonder just how illegal it is if you watch it on a streaming site, i.e. not downloading as such, and certainly not sharing or making available. Instead, this should be a great opportunity, like taking test screenings to the next level, to hear peoples opinions and actually work to please people, instead of sue sue sue. As for Fox having double standards? I don't know the whole story with Memflix, but I know Fox does this kind of crap. Hence...AICN or Memflix should have fought harder for Memflix. Maybe at the least when someone does have action taken against them, they can cite this as an example of Fox being selective.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    The truth about harry. Hurry before removed.

    by reaganjn

    Harry does not want you to read. Copy the link quick before it is removed and i am banned. Look out fot the space between the 2 and 4 at the end. http://efilmcritic.com/feature.php?feature=72 4

  • April 4, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Your STILL talking about WOLVERINE?????

    by AwkwardAvenue

    Ugh. Get past it.

  • April 4, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    even for the internet

    by smackfu

    this thread is a pretty epic one-up pissing contest. The smallest people in the world, fighting it out to be the winner, who will win? Oh damn, I just inadvertently joined it. I'm better ten jooo000000!!!!

  • April 4, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    A better stance

    by lex romero

    would have been accept that the AotC screening was just as "wrong" but that the site has grown up/matured and so can't condone that kind of activity anymore. But to try and defend it as not hypocricy is a big mistake.

  • April 4, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER DOWNLOADS LIKE MONSTER VS ALIENS AND HA

    by AwkwardAvenue

    What about thoughs. There is a million movies online right now. Out now or not out now. Whats the big deal over this

  • April 4, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Don't be cruel

    by Destroyer

    No one should lose their job for watching a stupid movie. I'm shocked to hear this site calling for blood, isn't it enough that bad word of mouth on this site and sites like it can get projects shelved? Now you need to cost someone there job? Power trip much?

  • April 4, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Roger Friedman is a hack

    by DDMAN26

    And that's saying something considering he works for Fox News. And I'm looking forward to Wolverine. And I even liked X3 much better Spider-Man 3

  • April 4, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    reaganjim-that's a dead 404 link

    by Sal_Bando

    sorry pallie. What's it about?

  • April 4, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I've been reading this site since a week after it launched....

    by Stink_Miser

    ....and this is the straw that broke the camel's back. Between Mori leaving and Harry largely ignoring the site unless he's using it as his own poorly-written, drunk-at-2am personal blog, AICN has withered away into a seemingly studio-funded shadow of it's former self, and this staggeringly hypocritical WOLVERINE debacle is proof of that.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    This is a TalkBack for the Ages!

    by DoctorWho?

    I love the site too, like the other guy said..."warts and all".<p> I'm always amazed at how many spiteful, petulant little douchebags have such hatred for Harry and Mori. Is it personal?<p> Damn, if I hated someone that much I would never visit their site.<p> Anyway, an actual substantive topic here with great posts by Gotik and others which have me considering points I hadn't previously.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I think Beaks needs some time off. A little R&R might not hurt.

    by MrInsidious

  • April 4, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    TELL YOUR FRIENDS: BOYCOTT WOLVERINE!!

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    Seriously, Harold and McWeeny are now like corporate Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum terminators infiltrating the geek homebases. It's obvious FOX gives these two Faustian shills their marching orders. So let's all show FOX what we think of their tactic of hiring turncoat, sell-out, would-be "Geekherders," to TRY to keep us all in check. There's only one way make this b.s. backfire on them. TELL ALL YOUR MATES: BOYCOTT WOLVERINE! We geeks are this movie's core audience. We have the power here to hurt their bottomline. FREE ROGER FRIEDMAN!

  • April 4, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    WHOA harry is getting ripped on that site

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    god damn!!

  • April 4, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    oh THAT one-

    by Sal_Bando

    I've read that before. Hilarious! outdated, somewhat-but they score some pretty telling points. I see what ya meant there ReaganJim.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Harry re: journalistic integrity

    by necgray

    I love the site and I back you, buddy, but if you want to make claims to journalistic integrity, you seriously need to start proofreading your articles and reviews and whatnot. I'm not talking about stuff like the Marley and Me post where you obviously were writing stream of consciousness. That's fine. But some of your reviews and news posts read awkward because despite a claim to journalism you don't write like a journalist. <p> Again, not trying to rag on you or be a dick. I like both you and the site. I'd just appreciate it (and I'm probably not alone) if you would proof your posts or get a 3rd party to proof them.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Sal_Bando, REMOVE THE SPACE BETWEEN FEATURE AND . AS WELL

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

  • April 4, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Moriarty...

    by JackLucas

    Jesus fucking christ, man. Seriously? After chatting with you numerous times in the AICN chat back in the day and always regarding your peices here on this site as some of the best stuff posted, I would never think that you would feel the need to sink to the level these kids. Calling people "little girls" and telling them to work double shifts to afford Film Threat blowjobs from hamburger stand workers? Come on, man. Really? Glance over at your DVD collection, at your wife and child, and just chuckle at these assholes. For fuck's sake, man. If you didn't do anything wrong, then why so defensive?

  • April 4, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Eonz_Higlo

    by CRanga

    The very reason you can't "reach out and touch" a copy of Wolverine on your computer is why copyright is an INTANGIBLE right.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Jacklucas, that is the question.

    by catlettuce4

    "If you didn't do anything wrong, then why so defensive?" because maybe phoning up a guy at home and unleashing a torrent of abuse isn't something a mature person with nothing to hide does?

  • April 4, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Yup

    by Eonz_Higlo

    I'm not arguing that point. I know it's an intangible right. I was trying to point out the fact that because my copy was intangible, I was completely in the right to have seen it. Much like harry did with his AOTC "screening"

  • April 4, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Jesus Mori and Harry are scum bags

    by Kief_Ledger

    It keeps getting worse and worse with these two. The main reason to stay on this site anymore is to see how they're going to top themselves next in the hypocrisy arena

  • April 4, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Can...open..worms - all over the floor

    by Brody77

    Honestly, anyone else think this Wolverine leak - deliberate by Fox or otherwise - has just opened a clusterfuck can of worms? We have everyone fighting with each other in TB, Moriarty laying the Smackdown, people demanding other people get fired...all over a shitty workprint of Wolverine 4. That's pretty lame. There's better shit to worry about. That's not to say Wolverine's prosepects aren't looking good

  • April 4, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    WHY WAS MY POST REMOVED?

    by lanalangsucks

  • April 4, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Eonz_Higlo

    by CRanga

    But you're not completely right to have seen it. It's an illegal, unauthorised copy. That's copyright infringement, and it's illegal. Now, Fox aren't gonna go after every individual who downloaded and wacthed it, but that doesn't mean each one of our actions (mine included) any less illegal. As for Harry, as far as I can tell from the facts, Harry broke no laws when he watched AOTC. The problem comes with the double standard of him being able to post a review of an early unfinished version of a film, whilst not accepting reviews from people having seen Wolverine.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Fuck it, this has depressed me...

    by JackLucas

    I'm off to watch some MonsterVision with Joe Bob Briggs.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I Ask you...which is the worse crime?

    by conspiracy

    A film company knowingly making a bad product (lets be honest..they know before production if it will be quality or not)...hyping it as good , marketing it as good, paying off the critics to tell you it is good (don't say that doesn't happen) giving you a 30 second taste of all the best scenes so you will take your family, spend $100 bucks...and when it SUCKS laugh in your face when you ask for a refund.</p><p> Or, someone leaking an unfinished copy of the movie so that people are aware exactly where this film is headed and can therefore make up their minds whether or not they want to pay their hard earned money to see it or not?</p><p>Neither is right, neither is particularly just...but I'd rather have journalists who did their job...warned people about issues well ahead of time and in a way so they can decide for themselves the correct course of action, instead of protecting those that would seek to rip you off.</p><p> This is why I think we should pay for seeing a movie AFTER we view it...just like a restaurant. It is the only way to ensure everyone stays honest, and makes the best product possible.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    AICN = Hypertensive Histrionics for the MPAA

    by raystevensonwarzone

    Beaks said "Friedman must be fired immediately for downloading and reviewing stolen material." In addition to passing judgment on films, he also passes judgment on whether people should keep their jobs. Its amazing how offended, how shocked you all are that people would want to watch a movie early, and that this act has some incredible moral weight or importance. ITS A FUCKING MOVIE, ITS NOT A BIG DEAL. You just need to cool off and stop acting like you work for the MPAA, because that is exactly what you sound like. Its like being harangued by a particularly religious friend for looking at a nudey magazine or drinking. Give it a rest guys, are you a bunch of old ladies or something? By the way, Wolverine was a shitbomb, except for the helicopter fight.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    smackfu, IT’S NO CONTEST, MCWEENY IS GODS MISTAKE….

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    He’s so easy to bait because he’s spent his entire life on defense because his parents gave him a faggoty name that ensured that he was a punching bag in school. He also knows that if it wasn’t for AICN no woman would ever want to marry him just like Knowles. Why would any self respecting female want this pasty white pansy for a husband when they would have a better time being gang raped by circus clowns! He’s also insufferably pretentious and has a deep seated hatred for Kevin Smith because as McFaggot was blowing C-Listers at Dave’s Laser Disc, Smith was making Clerks and has spent the last 15 years working as a Writer, Director, Actor etc… obtaining 8 features to his credit and building a worldwide fanbase. Meanwhile, McWee, who’s the same age as Smith, has spent the same time becoming one of the most hated hypocrites on the internet and has nothing to show for his douchosity apart from a mail order whore and two kids who aren’t even his.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Oh..and if you folks are DL'ing this stuff..

    by conspiracy

    Be smart...anonymous proxy, shields up, Script off...and if the fuckers ping you..trace them back and nuke um from orbit.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I'm not reading all of this crap.

    by CatVutt

    I just hope it's safe to assume somebody mentioned Friedman should really be fired just for apparently enjoying this piece of shit.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Harry and FBI

    by enderandrew

    First off, Harry is a media-schill and not a journalist. Please don't pretend otherwise because no one is buying it.<p>Secondly, it is not illegal to download a movie, though it is unethical. It is illegal to share the movie. So Friedman did not break the law, and can't be jailed for his actions. The people who posted the workprint, and everyone who shared it via BitTorrent or whatever have broken the law. Friedman only broke the law if he left the movie in a shared folder and continued to seed it.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Personally, I neither like nor dislike Drew

    by smackfu

    He's pretty much just a name on a website to me. But your level of obsession with him is pretty creepy. Sounds like the guy really drives you wild, for better or for worse. I hope it works out for you.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Moriarty is making Harry look bad..........

    by lanalangsucks

    Dude let harry speak for himself !!

  • April 4, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife..GODDAMN!!!!

    by conspiracy

    That was insane amounts of hate filled WIN. "Douchosity"...New word to add to the English language if ever I read one.</p><p>Personally I don't hate Drew...and have no malice towards the guy....I even like his reviews as they at least make sense when you read them....but I salute you anyway for the best Flame I've have read in years! You are a master.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    So when will Harry review the "Workprint" ?

    by lanalangsucks

    Since he does NOT work for FOX.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    enderandrew

    by cossack_says_die

    Right on man.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    LOL@Crankyoldman

    by IndyCollector

    You didn't deny it you Commie fuckhead.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Moriarty was up all night posting here.

    by lanalangsucks

    Dude , is your site that bad?

  • April 4, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    CRanga

    by Eonz_Higlo

    Dude, it was sarcasm. I'm not saying it was legal. I know for damn sure it wasn't. And yes, what harry did was illegal. It's called accessory. Because he didn't try to stop it, it was in fact illegal. Downloading is not illegal. Technically. when you need a computer driver, you can go to the manufactuers website and get it. Granted, I can't go to fox's website and download it, but thats not where the distinction is. Most people classify piracy as downloading. Not true. The only way people get caught, is if they do massive upload. Ask any computer nerd.

  • April 4, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    There's A Whole Planet

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    ... a whole planet of difference between SEEING something and TAKING something. I'm with Harry on this one. If someone VIEWS a diamond that was a stolen diamond, that is hardly the same thing as taking a diamond from someone by stealing it. Now, do I think it's poor judgment not to report being shown a stolen diamond? You bet. But that's Harry's cross to bear and I think he bears it pretty well. Would I have done the same thing? No, but I'm a freak.

  • April 4, 2009, noon CST

    Eonz_Higlo...yes good advice...

    by conspiracy

    Listen up kiddies..do not file share if you live in the USA, unless you know what you are doing. Nothing wrong with leeching from Ukrainians, Chinese or Brazilians...DO NOT upload your shit in the USA...or the partyvan will be at your door. Bro-in-Law got a cease and desist order from Paramount a few years back...stupid twit forgot to turn off fileshare in Lime...fucktard.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Downloading is not thievery

    by theplant

    To steal is to take MATERIAL things from one person and deprived them of it. As far as I know, Fox still OWNS the Wolverine movie.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Plant. Same thing happened with Elite Squad.

    by ricarleite2

    tiny little brazillian movie that won the 2008 Berlin festival. A workprint was leaked, the responsibles were actually caught, but the whole thing was out. And it had a HUGE opening, even though this was everywhere almost a month before it's original release date. And it did not hurt the box office at all, in fact it gave such a publicity, people actually thought the film was leaked on porpouse. There were some talks of the actual film having an extended ending not present in the workprint, which was not true, which only inforced the idea of a studio leak to boost publicity. Maybe Fox noticed that and said "Hmnnnn", we can use that. Only thing is, Elite Squad is a neat/ok film, while Wolverine is a shitty crap on a stick piece of garbage. This review here almost feels like a plant... Hmmnnnn

  • April 4, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    This leak doesn't hurt the box office

    by Movie_Grinder

    .....and Fox knows it. Now that it's widespread news that the leaked version is NOT the finished product, they know that whoever downloads it either a) still will see it in the cinema or b) just wanna see it for free and wouldn't pay for it anyway. .....and not firing the guy is just stupid. So thanx Fox! I'm gonna go download the movie right now.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ

    by Anything But Tangerines

    HOW ABOUT NAILING WHATEVER IDIOT LEAKED THE FILE??!?!?!

  • April 4, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Poor Gavin Hood.

    by Knuckleduster

    Even if Wolverine does make money (which it probably will), Fox are unlikely to bring him back for the sequel. Actually, after this nightmare production, he'll probably never want to direct another big budget Hollywood blockbuster again. Can't blame him.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    ThusSpakeSpymunk...not really...

    by conspiracy

    If you know of a stolen item...know where it is, have seen it, have touched it..and you KNOW it was stolen. YOU my friend are an accessory if you fail to turn whomever has it in. In fact...legally...if you take or view something illegal..even if you do not KNOW it is illegal, you can be charged with receiving, possessing or knowledge of illegal or stolen materials.</p><p> This is the same legal loophole the Feds use to prosecute people who view, but do not possess, child porn. Just because you don't possess it, or even know it is illegal, does not protect you. The legal system makes the assumption that due to the content or context a reasonable person could assume it was illegal and therefore you are complicit. Same is true of a guy viewing a workprint of a studio film in a dingy motel room.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Diamond vs. POS

    by Eonz_Higlo

    Someone shows me a stolen diamond vs. a pile of shit, I'd say those were 2 very different things to be talking about stealing. Perhaps a diamond in the ruff would be.....nope. still a piece of shit. But I get what your saying. And though it is his cross to bear, by his postings and those of his staff I'd say no. They aren't bearing it well at all.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't be hard to be better than the dark knight

    by alienindisguise

    At least Wolverine doesn't sound like he's shitting himself with every word he utters.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I'm with Conspriacy RE: creepythingguy...GODDAMN!!

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    Win. (Making note to self to NEVER piss off creepythinguy) "Mail order whore" being "gang raped by circus clowns"? ::bows down and offers up sword::

  • April 4, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    by MY_BLUE_PENIS

    Dude, lay of Drew, and seriously, don't drag his wife and kids into this. That's just not cool.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Uploading

    by Eonz_Higlo

    Uploading in the usa is fine. Its the mass uploading that gets you caught. If your entire music folder is your share folder, being shared at 300kb you have problems. But thats only with limewire and other such programs. Torrents you dont really have this problem, but if you do mass uploads on torrents, most likely your ISP will contact you about your bandwitdh and then shut you off or cut you back.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Harry is essentially the Rush Limbaugh

    by cinemixtape.com

    of the film industry, politics aside. Biased as all hell, not all that consistent, but entertaining as FUCK. He's not meant to be anything else. I have no problem with the site's stance on downloading the workprint, but their stance is inconsistent as far as reviewing an unfinished film. Reviewing an incomplete AOTC was apparently OK, but Wolverine? No. But I love the site, so I don't care. Harry doesn't owe anybody anything and those arguing that he took money and/or trips either now or back in the 90s... so what? Isn't that his prerogative? I come here for fun, not because I expect Gospel. I miss Mori, though, and Hitfix's layout is terrible. If someone has a link that's just ALL Mori's stuff and nothing else, I would appreciate it. Because I can't find anything on that site when I want to.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    even FOX doesn't like FOX NEWS

    by guerillakarma

    WE'LL DO IT LIVE FUCK IT! FUCKING THING SUCKS!

  • April 4, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    McWeeny

    by shellfishh

    McWeeny (God, what a horrid name) is the two faced cunt that waded into a fairly civil Watchmen conversation and started hurling more of the same childish insults. <p> So fuck him, fuck his site.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    KreepySinMan--dang sir.

    by Sal_Bando

    You reallllllllly have the Hate on for Drew don't ya? Not that it's anything we should care about here-did make for some interesting reading, at least.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Wait? A guy dressed like a clown? But...omg a guy dressed like a

    by BurgerKing

    MY MIND HURTS!!!!!

  • April 4, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    IT'S IRONIC, HARRY WANTED ME TO WRITE FOR AICN ONCE

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    Back in 2003, Harry was looking for new writers and asked for people to post their top five favorite films of the year or some such shit. I wrote a long ass post and apparently he liked the cut of my jib but I got into some massive flamewars with a few asswipes and so the ginger fatshitfuck banned me. It was at this time that I also read the FilmThreat article about what loathsome, hypocritical scumbags Knowles and McWeeny were so it worked out for the best. Since then I post from time to time, spewing hatred at them because I enjoy it and they deserve it.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    As far as I know,

    by TheMarineBiologist

    Rush Limbaugh is consistent in his conservative blathering. So, in a way, Rush is better than Harry.<p> Buuuuuuurn.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Indy IV....

    by Amazing Maurice

    .... is a fucking masterpiece compared to this unholy pile of shit.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Sal Bando

    by shellfishh

    Didn't you get your legs amputated? No, wait that was Ron Santo. My mistake.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Fox = Fix Deadpool

    by viranth

    Go to wiki, read what the character is like. Copy & paste that into the movie. Do the same for every other character as well, I promise you, it will be the best comic book movie EVER.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    OMG THAT GUYS NAME IS TWO FACE

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    and he has like two faces?! but humans are only supposed to have 1 singular face!!?!! this is so confusing!!

  • April 4, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    AICN is officially over

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    and you have FOX to thank for it..it took a bunch of douchebags at Fox to expose who the fuck Harry Knowles and Moriarty and AICN really are...You build your reps on "spy reports" and leaked information (still licking your wounds from those joker fakes i take it)and leaked films..and then you come out and go "oh no..no reviews."....Wolverine is Foxes property to do WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH...you still dont fucking get that. I'd rather stand with the talkbackers which Moriarty (sorry, your site is hard to even look at) insults and Harry ignores than anyone fucking hypocrite that works for AICN...If fox called you tomorrow asking to put a banner ad on this site you' do it..Fucking site filled with ads for movies and studios and linking to Amazon...You've serisouly become a punchline over this and what's funny is it took Newscorp. to expose you.

  • April 4, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Hey This Message is For Harry and McWeeny...

    by TheReal_JasonNicholl

    For years, like so many, I was a frequent visitor to your website. But then something started happening along the way. Your hypocricy, childishness, and unprofessionalism began to shine through. You can say all day long that you did not break any laws in your AOTC review, and technically you probably didn't. But your original comments on how you came to watch the screening certainly gave the impression that it came by illegal way, or at the very least unethical. Now you finally come clean, and for some employee to steal (sorry borrow) the print out of the Lucas vault, invite you to a hotel room to watch it, and then return it to the vault before anyone notices it was gone, is coming to see it through unethical ways. Just because you didn't do anything wrong yourself doesn't mean you weren't an accomplice. If the getaway driver is guilty, than so are you my friend, so are you. You going on a rant calling for Roger Friedman to be fired is the definition of hypocricy and one of the reasons why you have lost a lot of respect among the internet crowd. What you have done in your past is really no different. Whatever Fox does to Friedman or doesn't do is none of your business. But if you are going to call him out for doing something wrong, then you better as hell be standing on higher ground yourself, which you aren't. Combine this with all of your unprofessional comments like your review of "Journey to the Center of the Earth" a "steaming pile of dick," or allowing Moriarty to publicly slander Roger Wells shows that you really have no standards to stand behind. Yes Moriarty, suggesting that if someone has a quarter they can purchase a blow job from Roger Wells is essentially calling the man a street prostitute. And unless that happens to actually be true and you have proof of it, is slander. Also, just because you can sign a fake name to a non-disclosure agreement at a test screening technically gets you off the legal hook, it does not make it ethically right. The studios have every intention of keeping the details secret, and you know this going in. How you decide to proceed demonstrates what kind of morals and ethics one has. For me, If I go to a test screening that asks me to sign a non-disclosure agreement, I don't review it. For example, I have not reviewed "Jennifer's Body" because they asked that I not. But I did review "Step Brothers" early because when I went to that screening they did ask me to sign anything at all. Its called professional ethics. I urge you to find some. Yes Harry, you are the 300 lb gorilla of internet movie sites, and the studios kiss your ass and give you tons of freebies to gain your public approval. But have you earned their respect? But truth be told I thank the both of you from the bottom of my heart. If it had not been for your deplorable actions I would never have had the desire to start my own website...one that is free of this type of behavior. A place where you can read an honest review, and if you disagree you are more than welcome to post your responses free of having me or one of the other staff members publicly berate you and make slanderous remarks about you. If anyone is interested, you can find my website here: http://tinyurl.com/cpb87z And finally to Moriarty...you say you don't delete posts. Will you have the balls then to leave mine up and even to address it? Or will the post be removed?

  • April 4, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Sal_Bando's legs are fine as far's I know.

    by Sal_Bando

    Santo is the guy w/ the seriously bad diabetes. Played w/ it and thrived despite all. However, you CAN google Bando and find some interesting Bill North anecdotes if you look hard enough.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Trust me Jason--say the magic word UNCAPIE-

    by Sal_Bando

    --and they delight in deleting. A sad day I know.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    @Shellfishh RE: Watchmen TB

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    You are spot on, sir. Kudos.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    WOW!! "TheReal_JasonNicholl" Nuke The Fridge ?

    by lanalangsucks

    Finally something good on this website!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Said it before-

    by Sal_Bando

    --and I'll say it again: Journey to the Center of the Earth: 100M. Hellboy Too--75M. <p> in best Buscemi voice--make ya feel GOOD, doesn't it?!!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    @Sal_Brando

    by TheReal_JasonNicholl

    Not only does former AICN writer Uncapie write for me now, so does RobP. Any other AICN writers want to join up...you know where to find me.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Hey Nerds

    by SantiagoAndDunbar

    If you don't like the site, then don't read (or post on) the site. What's the issue?

  • April 4, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS MADE 30 MIL ON FRIDAY

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD

  • April 4, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    THIS HAS BEEN AN AWESOME TALKBACK!!!FACT!!!

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

  • April 4, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Yes I know Jake.

    by Sal_Bando

    I'm over there as TomBodet. Sad I know. As Uncapie the Unstoppable. He knows my sad tale.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    ASK not as. Good lord.

    by Sal_Bando

    I suck.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Harry, you're a hypocrite

    by MattmanReturns

    Stop justifying that Episode II nonsense. You broke the law, AICN has no right to act high and mighty about this Wolverine fiasco. Just because you had a source who was never disclosed doesn't mean you didn't do anything wrong. You could have said, "No, I'm not going to watch that." Or at least not reported on it. But you didn't.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    This is the best talkback ever.

    by Vesuvio

    that eCritic article just made my day. As we say here in Brazil.. "A alegria do palhaço é ver o circo pegar fogo".. ("the clown's joy is to watch the circus burning down") :D :D :D

  • April 4, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Did Harry really have a Superman in a wheelchair cartoon?

    by lanalangsucks

    I think I saw that here.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Worst then an AOTC bootleg REVIEW is saying it was good!

    by lanalangsucks

  • April 4, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    30 FUCKIN MILLION?

    by Biffs_Pleasure_Paradise

    Here comes WAY MORE FA5T AND FURIOU5.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Harry, you are not a "journalist"

    by Kirbymanly

    Yes, "news" is at the end of the site's name but this does not mean that the staff who write for this site, including yourself, are "journalists". Your point about the AOTC hotel room trip is proof that you may not even know the meaning of the job. A REAL journalist does research. Ask yourself this: would a real journalist post a fake Oscar winners list? Would a real journalist accept gifts from the creators of the beat that he covers? You had an ethical choice when it came to watching the obviously stolen copy of AOTC. There is no difference between a stolen video tape and a downloaded film. No one dragged you there. You watched it by choice because it was available, as did Friedman. You are one in the same.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Kirby is right.

    by Sal_Bando

    pretty much. I remember that whole Klones episode, happened same year as the infamous JJ Abrams Supes script fiasco. Good lord.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    This Movie will make a crap load of money....

    by BEEK

    .....no matter what anyone says on this site and attacking people behind a keyboard is a cowardly and pathetic act. Watch this and listen to Kevin Smith really making some sense here<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gnkFYTSeT_U&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gnkFYTSeT_U&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

  • April 4, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    THE FA$T & THE CHA-CHING!!!!!!

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Good!!! Better that Vin Diesel makes the money$$$ than Tom Rothman!!!!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Beek

    by BEEK

    Damn no link. Look for the Kevin Smith on CHUD. Good stuff and relax. Good talk back though, sad and good.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    THIS IS NOT THE BEST TALKBACK EVER

    by Kief_Ledger

    It isn't even close. The Baleback is far and away the greatest talkback that ever (and will ever) exist. Fucking recognize.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Yes lanalangsucks..Harry did

    by TheReal_JasonNicholl

    mock Chris Reeve in a wheel chair. Ever the bleeding heart liberal he claims to be.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    This is the 2003 Drew/Hulk thing all over again.

    by Sal_Bando

    And it spawned the same kinda backlash in the festering, teeming masses of the Prolatariot here. Just--don't DO this sorta thing Harold. The finger-wagging routine usually blows up in yer faces here. It's just too easy to come right back w/ the AICN HYPOCRITES shit, ya know? Don't need that. <p> Go review Giant Robots instead.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    yea the bale talkback owned and

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    the reactions on the sopranos finale talkback were classic too.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    WANT TO SEE FAST AND FURIOUS FOR FREE? HERE’S HOW…

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    You sit in a chair, I swallow a hand full of Hot Wheels toy cars, I lower my pants and fire them out of my asshole into your face and VOILA, you've just seen something better then this fucking movie, saved the fortune it would cost to see it at a theatre and still have enough brain cells to operate a spoon!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    cigarette burns...

    by Lobot

    ruled. My favorite episode of masters of horror (second being pelts). I haven't read the novel it's accused of ripping off, so i can't comment on that. I am a bit suprised some of these trolls haven't been banned, and that should be a testament to them not deleting posts. there does seem to be a little hipocrisy, but it's just that. a little

  • April 4, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    CreepySinMan--you weren't the Facer were ya?

    by Sal_Bando

    or Georges Melieres or the George Lowe Band? Hmmmmm==

  • April 4, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    YES, THE BALEBACK IS THE GOD OF TALKBACKS

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Good call, Kief Baledewan.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    MORIARTY AND THE HULK DOWNLOAD ISSUE

    by Cedar_Room

    I have no axe to grind with the guy, but reading the article that someone linked to waaaay up there where he apologises to the AICN readers for calling them fucks for downloading the Hulk workprint: <p> "it's a personal choice. I have no business telling anyone what decision to make regarding the trafficking of stolen materials. And I wouldn't even if my hands were squeaky clean. Which they aren't. <p> At this moment, with me dealing with the people I deal with all day long and all week long, and with my career developing the way it is, I have a particular perspective on the issue of the duplication and distribution of copywritten material. It's my personal perspective. It's not more right than someone else's. It's not more ethical. It's not more moral. It's simply mine <p> "When I wrote what I wrote, I spoke down to my readership. And that's absolutely a mistake. The minute you condescend to the person reading your work... whoever they are... you risk alienating them" <p> you remember writing that Drew? Coz if you're wondering why people are now calling you a hypocrite theres the proof. Like I said, I've no axe to grind, I wish him all the best on whatever site he chooses to write on - but its certainly clear that opnions and perspectives have changed over time.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    BUT DOES YOUR ASS SHOOT OUT JORDANA BREWSTER?!?!?!

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Now THAT I wanna see!!!!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Christ guys

    by emteem

    We all agree that the editor's here have no clothes with regards to the opinions stated, but slander? Really?<p>Drew said something mean about Roger and now there is a boo-boo on his heart.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Wait, so if Fox 411 is NOT owned by 20th Century Fox...

    by Organs

    ...then who DOES own it? If this is true, then I suppose Fox wouldn't be in the position to fire Friedman, but it doesn't make sense to me.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    also, i going to gets tom rothmans daughter pregnant

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

  • April 4, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    i *am* going to get tom rothmans daughter pregnant

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    WHERE IS THE EDIT BUTTON HARRY YOU FUCK FACE

  • April 4, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    No, Harry did *NOT* mock Reeves in a wheelchair

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Fucking idiots. Seriously fucking retarded idiots. HERCULES (notice the difference in spelling there from HARRY) (whose icon is a green amputee in a wheelchair with oxygen, etc.) was drawn with a Superman costume on about the time of the release of Superman Returns - sending the PC Nazis into paroxysms. The drawing was meant to convey Herc's thrill at the new Supes flick, but was instead twisted into a slam at Chris Reeves by morons with too much time on their hands and serious needs for lobotomies.<p>Oh, and fuck Chris Reeves. Loved the guy until those tools twisted that cartoon into an excuse to slam Herc and claim some PC offense. Fuck Chris Reeves up his moldering ass!

  • April 4, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Tim Rothman=Bill Orally.

    by Sal_Bando

    You know it's true.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Sal_Bando, NO BUT I KNEW THE FACER.....

    by CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    We had limited contact just before I ended up at The Scorched-Planet.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    now people are trolling because they can't edit their posts?

    by Lobot

    what's next? Anti-red head monologues? btw i download material similar to what dailysportspage mentioned. the movie business has lost none of my money. the music biz on the other hand.....

  • April 4, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    No, fuck Bikey Sharer up the ass.

    by Sal_Bando

    For defending a dumbfuck HarryToon which even Bikey's retarded dalmation could have figgered out was a product of piss poor timing and likely to make everyone(including your dalmation) think of one thing and one thing only-it's insulting Chris Reeves. DUH. Fucking DUH.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    EVERYBODY DOWNLOADS AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    We're only human. Doesn't make one worse than another. <P> Shooting 12 people in an immigration center? Now that's a crime.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    fucking asshole rothman i hate you

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    you ruined fantastic 4. and kingdom of heaven. and alien vs predator. and x-men. and die hard. i hope you die a fiery painful death.

  • April 4, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Ah that's cool then CreepySin-

    by Sal_Bando

    ---figgered you were around right about the time The Facer was doing his thing. He also had a funny Harold and Drew toon made if I remember rightly---

  • April 4, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    oh and dragonball

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    you fucking fat douchebag bitch

  • April 4, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    ALSO, PUNCHING A HOOKER IN THE FACE AFTER KISSING HER

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    That, too, is criminal.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    I think my post was removed too.

    by E_Nizzle

    It described that fat lying scumbag harry knowles and the unethical methods he uses to further his own interests. like giving GLOWING reviews to Godzilla, or telling everyone on this sight how AMAZING a script was that his friend wrote. do us all a favor, knowles, and get out of this business. youre such a fucking detriment to everyone its amazing.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    I think my post was removed too.

    by E_Nizzle

    It described that fat lying scumbag harry knowles and the unethical methods he uses to further his own interests. like giving GLOWING reviews to Godzilla, or telling everyone on this sight how AMAZING a script was that his friend wrote. do us all a favor, knowles, and get out of this business. youre such a fucking detriment to everyone its amazing.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I DON'T KNOW WHO FACER IS

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    You guys must be old-timers from way back.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Fuck Reeves

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    He *DESERVED* the wheelchair. Almost as much as Sal_Bando deserves to be anally raped by Michelle Obama. Choke on a dick and die please. How's that for "piss poor timing?"

  • April 4, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    See?^

    by E_Nizzle

    I posted twice so hopefully one wont be REMOVED by these FOX lapdogs

  • April 4, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Fire the dumbass

    by DarthScotland

    I downloaded it becuase after AVP and X3 I will never knowingly give money to fox again, plus I have a big connection and lots of free time.<p> Its better than X3 but thats isnt hard (I hate that peice of shit to the point of pretending it doesnt exist), its nothing close to X1 or the brilliant X2. No ammount of reshoots can bring it up to par with those.<p> If you've got time to kill, go see it but I wouldnt recommend it.<p> I did like the opening credits jumps through wars though, I like films that make good use of the credits, its one of the main resons I now detest seeing Spiderman films, you spend 5% of the film watching names in bold. <p> I know I'm pure evil for downloading it but the way I see it I'm only downloading films I wouldn't pay money for anyway so whats the harm, I don't profit through selling them on. Plus I still have a giant DVD collection, so if I do download it and it turns out to be amazing, I'll buy it on DVD then, (like I did with Iron Man, I was convinced it was going to be shit) so they if the quality is good the company actually MAKES MONEY from me downloading it and then recommending it to friends.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    ALSO, LOOKING AT THE LIGHTS

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Not only criminal, but distracting.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    See?

    by Sal_Bando_Cock_Sucko

    Sal_Bando_Love-o_Cock_Sucko! Love it, love it, love it, love it. Especially if it's a quadriplegic cock. Limp, wrinkled cock in Sal's mouth that is never gonna get hard? Ever. Well, that's just like his all-time fave. Mmmm-mmmmm. Limp quad cock.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    oh yeah, the fox guy

    by DarthScotland

    If I downloaded films whilst working for a film/media company though I would expect to get fired if caught doing so. The guy is a moron

  • April 4, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    AICN won't roll over on sources, but they will on fellow journal

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Fuck that shit. Pitiful....absolutely pitiful behavior pointing the finger at Friedman and snickering for him to be fired. Reveals you guys for what you really are....disgustingly opportunistic hypocrites that don't give a fuck about anybody else but yourselves. I always give you guys the benefit of the doubt and figure you're doing a good thing here and you're probably all decent guys. But fuck no. Not anymore. This shit has gone too far. You're little fucking snakes in my book now. Growing up with those personality traits, Drew must have gotten the shit kicked out of him. And if he raises his child with the same values, he too shall get the shit kicked out of him. Nobody likes a punk motherfucker.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    In the future we won't pay for anything.

    by Orionsangels

    Everything will be provided for us, just like in Star Trek.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    HITFIX = ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY NAZI PARTY

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Do not contribute to that corporate shit. Fuck that. Give traffic to a more deserving site that doesn't call for fellow journalists to be fucking fired to promote your own ventures. Jesus Christ what a fucking coward move.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    This is very true DannyG.

    by Sal_Bando

    Bikey Sharer's mouth is a collective sperm-bank for the South Side. Very nice. Your sister would be proud.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Drew McWeeny = JOSEPH McCARTHY

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 4, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Hey Bicycle Sharer

    by IndyCollector

    It's Christopher REEVE you fuckwit.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Creepythinmanspreciouslittlelife

    by seppukudkurosawa

    So you're from Scorched Planet? The prototype 4chan site who used to send in fake reviews to AICN and who give out a dartboard with a picture of Drew McWeeny's face stapled to it to new members when they sign up?<p> Curiouser and curiouser. That might explain the influx of bastardizations on regular talkbackers' usernames as well.<p> You almost make me ashamed to be a Scott Pilgrim fan.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Fuck this shit. Everyone here needs to visit some real sites....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    www.aintitbalenews.com<p> www.mymavra.com <p> ....and for actual scoop please see: <p>www.darkhorizons.com

  • April 4, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Sal_Bando talks about being a sperm bank

    by Sal_Bando_Cock_Sucko

    Because he's just jealous 'cause the flaccid dick he sucks can't produce. How he dreams of gargling down the pearly white globs of glistening man goo! Just like daddy used to give him.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    BRUTICUS

    by Jesiah

    I also kinda got that Gambit=Han Solo vibe. The way Gambit was a rogue giving the hero a ride kinda vibe. I've only seen Taylor Kitsch in Covenant, and even though he looked the part his voice didn't sound the part in that movie. I'm glad he appeared in this movie with a different voice and a little accent, not enough to sound like it's offensive to Cajuns but enough to do the job. Can't wait for his own flick THE RAGIN' CAJUN.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    its King SeePOOkoo--

    by Sal_Bando

    --where's yer pal-and ours--The PaZoozoo? He should be in on this. He'd love it.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    THE INTERNET IS ONE BIG COCK

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    and we are its whores.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Indy Collector, I added the extra "S"

    by Sal_Bando_Cock_Sucko

    To make up for the fact that the tool was in a wheelchair. Where he should have been.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Bikey_Wearer-

    by Sal_Bando

    -a Depends wearing tranny. One of the best.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    HEY DANNY - THANKS FOR REMINDING ME

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    I have to e-mail you some content for aintitbalenews.com.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    "criminally irresponsible"? bullshit

    by punto

    people have been downloading movies and tv shows for 10 years. it's the way of the future. I get that some people don't like that, but pretending it doesn't exist is sad, and dishonest in my opinion. It's happening, and it IS more convenient. It's not our fault that the big studios are just figuring out now how to do it, and pretending it's a new thing. "hey, look at this, you can watch this tv show on the tiny web box, isn't it the cutting edge technology??". no. just stop, it's ridiculous.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    whoa, just read all the posts near the admin posts

    by DarthScotland

    ...what the hell is wrong with you guys, so filled with bile, plus your arguements were flawed and unsupported for the most part. Some of moriartys responses weren't too much better though. <p> On the topic at hand I agree, there should be no double standard and the fox guy should go.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    A depends wearing tranny?

    by Sal_Bando_Cock_Sucko

    Your just 'membering yo daddy's dick again, huh? Face it - them quads is never gonna get hard for you the way yo daddy did. Just go back to the source and leave those more crips alone.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    How to combat piracy:

    by SifoDyasJr.

    Make great movies that demand to be seen on a big screen. Charge a reasonable price for tickets and food. Set the audio for the movies at the same level the advertisements are. Allow patrons to have the legal right to punch the moron behind them that's kicking the seat/talking/has a crying baby/crinkling the cellophane wrapper. Problem solved.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    LMAO@Harry's AOTC reasoning

    by IndyCollector

    What a hypocrite fat fuck. Jesus.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Why is AICN out for this guys blood?

    by Sloopjohnb

    First of all, Moriarty, your posts in this talkback have been brilliant/hilarious, and based on the facts, I would say firing this guy wouldn't be an inappropriate course of action. But since you don't really have much stake in this (other than sticking up the mere principal of the matter), why are you out for this guy's job? In this kind of economic climate, losing your job is volumes more disastrous. So what's the deal? Did he try making moves on your wife or what? Because this behavior seems a little extreme...

  • April 4, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Creepy Thin Man Owns McWeeny!

    by Dancingforever

    My God man, you have arse fucked McWeeney, won the crowd over, and become an absolute legend. I'm just happy to say I was here to see it. Wow was that an ass whooping! Seeing McWeeney posting here now is like watching an old out of shape boxer in his last few fights get demolished by younger smarter competition. One can easily see McWeeney slouched somewhere in a dark room reading these comments, knowing he has lost all respect from his biggest supporters, contemplating the utter waste his life has become. The story here is not a shitty Wolverine film or downloading movies. No friends, the story here is a once respected and marginally talented man has been exposed as a hypocrite and summarily owned in this talk back. To the Creepythinman, sir you have taken down a biggie, what are your thoughts and did you see the crowd turning on McWeeney, that to me was the big shock.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    ChaimBenSexyback -- Bless you brother.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 4, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    ChaimBenSexyback -- BSB?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Is that you?

  • April 4, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    BUT WHAT ABOUT MERRICKS 15 YEAR OLD SON!?!?!?!?!

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    I MUST KNOW WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ON THIS DEBACLE!!

  • April 4, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Sloopjohnb -- Drew is trying to cozy up to Fox.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    He wants to ensure Fox and the rest of the studios understand he is a "Friendly." And he's trying to hype up his new site and get it linked all over the fucking place. And look at that! It worked. I saw the story and the link on countless entertainment sites. All driving traffic to his new corporate cesspool.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Merricks 15 year old son is more man than any other.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    .....fat ass man-child that writes for this site. The kid is probably an ordinary human being with actual social skills. He deserves a fucking trophy.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Wait a second...

    by SantiagoAndDunbar

    Your all bitching about a website that your currently on and will continue to be on for years to come . . . I dont think any of you can survive without AICN. No one gives a shit about you in the real world so you need these talkbacks to survive, so ease up a little eh.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    agreed, hes trying to be a friendly

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    so he treats the talkbackers like assholes. what a cocky fuck. i wonder what merricks 15 year old son thinks about this...

  • April 4, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Like Anybody Really Needed This To Prove Ethics "ARE" Dead in Jo

    by MattHooper

    The guy is just doing the same stupid reporting everyone who covers the entertainment community does. Not that I condone it, but so he's an asshole. So is everyone on Fox News; does that mean we trust everything that they say ?? FUCK NO.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    DANNY - YES, IT'S ME

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    I converted!!!

  • April 4, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    he has social skills!?!? but he writes for aicn!!

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    not possible! okay his indy review was right on point

  • April 4, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    SantiagoAndDunbar

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    You're right. It is a unhealthy addictive habit to post here. We come here to shoot the shit and have fun with one another. I don't know anyone who comes here for the scoop or stories exclusively. I know they exist....but I don't think this readers TB much. My point is.....we continue to post here out of habit. But if this place crumbled and fell, I'm sure a large portion of us would run outside of our offices and cheer in the streets.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    ChaimBen....did you lost your name too?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Fuck. What the fuck is going on around here? As soon as we get the better comments section up....you gotta start hanging out more. And bring friends, women, and rum.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    TAIL SPIN...

    by elwood_p_dud

    Thy name is FOX. This douche bag posts a review at the behest of Fox and some of you drooling shit bags want him fired? How god damn naive are you lot? Christ, it's amazing how stupid people are.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Merrick's son is 15 and still in middle school!!!

    by IndyCollector

  • April 4, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    I didn't say Merrick had social skills. I said his son did....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 4, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Moriarty in my opinion is incriminating Harry a bit...

    by lanalangsucks

  • April 4, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    15 in junior high or middle school

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    ODOYLE RULES

  • April 4, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    ATTENTION AIN'T IT COOL NEWS

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    I think it's time. just say the word and give me the names.<P>everyone will receive TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    AKA Larry Craig's plumber.

    by Bike_Wearer_Fists_Rush

    Another one in a lonnnnnnnnng line of douchebag inbred retards who cannot stop flogging it to pictures of his sister. A sad, sad day.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    20th Century Fox..

    by emeraldboy

    is owned by News Corporation which is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    -----and lives to pull the Oxcy from his nair---

    by Bike_Wearer_Fists_Rush

    _----------as Noted_Sage Chris_Reeves Said: Your Mamma.----------

  • April 4, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    we can be polite about this

    by drturing

    no two ways about it, AICN has in the years gone by profited from ethically dodgy utilization of people sharing information in ways that are not legitimized. that's what this site is - genuine passion or no, half of the stories here are people profiting from information given to them in ways that violate filmmakers' sanctity. The JJ Abrams Superman thing is a perfect example. For better or worse that's how it is. Doesn't make Harry or Mori evil, or bad, etc. But it is ethically shaky, especially now when it's obvious that this site is considered to be something that can be played by marketers. What was the last real scoop this site had?<p> And seriously NO ONE can remember when Harry claimed Natalie Portman made him a card at her slumber party when her "friend" emailed him?

  • April 4, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    AKA: the Buttplug of EnCino.

    by Bike_Wearer_Fists_Rush

    Everyone needs to drop some napaulm upon the neighbourhood one time or another

  • April 4, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Oh don't get me started on that JJ Abrams Superman script

    by IndyCollector

    And how Moriarty backtracked on his initial review now that AICN has made nice with the name. Fuck that script.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    DANNY - NO,BSB IS STILL HERE

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Just trying out this new name, since registration was re-opened.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    This TB pretty much guaranteed I won't go to Moriarty's site

    by FrodoFraggins

    Not that I was planning to, but he sure comes off as really unstable.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    BSB....Amen. I'll keep it quiet.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 4, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Drew represents the scum and villainy of corporate America.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Anyone who would support his site, over something independent like darkhorizons is a fucking scumbag.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Not "name." Man. Now AICN has made nice with JJ Abrams

    by IndyCollector

    Fuck, Fatty. Edit button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 4, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Drew's big goal in life was not to be a writer.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    It was to be a "FAMOUS WRITER." Thats when you become a shit human being willing to trample all over anyone that gets in his path to promote your own name. Disgusting.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    WHAT KIND OF BURGERS IS RON WELLS MAKING?

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    I'll have one, medium rare.

  • April 4, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    SAY NO TO EDIT BUTTONS

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    Proper spelling is the hallmark of a professional talkbacker. Balebackers don't need edit buttons.

  • April 4, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    as the ghost of a PROFESSIONAL myself...

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    I am glad to see my fellow PROFESSIONALS here giving McDouchey his comeuppance that is so well deserved and lonnnng time in coming.

  • April 4, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    The Spirit

    by StrokerX

    watched it yesterday....and i liked it ok. Could've been better obviously...but i def had a cheesy grin throughout and never got bored. I kinda loved some parts of it.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Punisher War Zone

    by StrokerX

    OK people...anyone who says Thomas Janes Punisher is better needs to get their brains checked. <p> Punisher War Zone > The Punisher <p> Who's with me?!

  • April 4, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    That is illegal Stroker

    by IndyCollector

    You are be fired and placed under arrest!! It is not available on DVD yet!

  • April 4, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane's Punisher IS better

    by IndyCollector

    Fuck War Zone.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    God bless total fucking destruction

    by Kief_Ledger

    his posts always get a laugh out of me. And it's good to see ban back as well

  • April 4, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    the wolverine "fiasco" is only a fiasco because

    by bacci40

    the movie sux ass<p> if it was brilliant, while fox would still be crying, no one would care<p> tdk was up on the web the night it was released...didnt hurt its bo in the slightest, because people still wanted to see it in the theater<p> as for the fox news employee...does anyone think he posted that review without clearing it through his bosses first...who must have contacted the suits at the big company? of course they did<p> it was being used to soften the blow of the shit reviews that were all over the net<p> then posters at imdb and other sites made a total mockery of that "review" and fox had it pulled<p> fuck fox, rothman and murdoch

  • April 4, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    the wolverine "fiasco" is only a fiasco because

    by bacci40

    the movie sux ass<p> if it was brilliant, while fox would still be crying, no one would care<p> tdk was up on the web the night it was released...didnt hurt its bo in the slightest, because people still wanted to see it in the theater<p> as for the fox news employee...does anyone think he posted that review without clearing it through his bosses first...who must have contacted the suits at the big company? of course they did<p> it was being used to soften the blow of the shit reviews that were all over the net<p> then posters at imdb and other sites made a total mockery of that "review" and fox had it pulled<p> fuck fox, rothman and murdoch

  • April 4, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    god damn total fucking destruction

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    I got my reasons. But fuck that arse.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I agree. TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION = PROFESSIONAL

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • April 4, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    There was ZERO blood in Punisher

    by StrokerX

    Buckets in Warzone....and Ray Stevenson played a better punisher....and he actually looked like him.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    seriously

    by StrokerX

    i'll arm wrestle anyone over this.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I thought the ending was sooo weird...

    by The Dum Guy

    I still don't understand how Bruce Willis could be dead the whole time and not know it...

  • April 4, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    total fucking destruction < professional

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    sorry, Danny, e-mail me for my reasons.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    PLEASE. DO NOT MENTION WOLVERINE AND THE DARK KNIGHT

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    in the same talkback, or in the same month.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION < = > PROFESSIONAL

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    See? Compromise.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    BALZACS_BALLSAC

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    why don't you put your reasons down for everybody to see, dink? or are you too afraid that they'll be ready by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION?

  • April 4, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Rupert Murdoch's behind all of this

    by aboriginal

    If this isn't just a farted up plant to set up and generate excitement its the exec who came up with it - not the idiot messenger that delivered it or failed to deliver it properly. If you believe this dink isn't being told what to say (or that its being said for him by wanna be creative FOX execs) you're waaaaay off. FOX is the anti-Christ of the media beasts.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    My Professional review will be up tomorrow on........

    by Stuntcock Mike

    http://www.aintitbalenews.com/

  • April 4, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Total Fucking Douchebag

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    The people who need to know, already do. Let's just say my reasons are legitimate "dink" and I don't like you. Twat.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Shame on you AICN

    by ColdNorway

    I have used this site from the time it got started, but only got around making a profile a year ago to comment on Verns funny Steven Seagal reviews.Sure I have read stuff from Harry and other contributors too over the years and have learned to "deal" with the mood and way of writing.But this appalling "I am better than you" attitude represented in this article must be the mother of all fuck ups. I have read all the comments,and I cannot do anything else but to join in on the negative feedback side towards the writers of this article. I have lost all respect for this site,and will leave this place.I hope most the old fans of this site shun you like the plague and walk out.I will get my Vern review fix elsewhere.Shame on you AICN.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    DANNY- chk your e-mail

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

  • April 4, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    STOP FLAME-WARRING!!

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    You guys are worse than an old-married couple. Geez Fucking Louise.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    BALLESS_BALLSAC

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    the people who need to know? is that some nest of losers you hang out with on the internet? how could your reasons be legitimate when you and i haven't even had afternoon tea?<P>you read like a coward who wants to bask in the limelight of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Oh so ChaimBensexyback is BSB

    by TOTAL_FUCKlNG_DESTRUCTION

    Good thing to. If it was an impostor I would have to a friend of mine.........a friend called TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • April 4, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is going on with.....

    by travis-dane

    all those usernames? and whats up with the TFD hate and why is BSB not BSB anymore.....mommy?

  • April 4, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Total Fucking Dickhead

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    "English, motherfucker!, do you speak it?" Your posts read like a retarded kid typing with one finger while sucking his Dad's cock. There is no limelight TFD, there is only your imcomplete sentence postings. "If it was an imposter I would have to a friend of mine" HUH??

  • April 4, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    hey guy How do we feel about Vern?

    by Phategod2

    I kind of like that guy. is he still cool? or has he become a corporate tool as well?

  • April 4, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    THANKS FOR GETTING MY BACK TFD

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    You = Professional

  • April 4, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Eonz_Higlo

    by CRanga

    I'd be interested to hear why you think that downloading a movie is not illegal. I'm sure you're aware that copyright law is concerned with sharing and copying IP. Downloading is copying. Now, the authorities are almost certainly not going to go after individuals, but the act of downloading a movie is illegal. Debates about whether it should or shouldn't be illegal are irrelevant, the act is illegal. The law is the law. You may not like it, and you may not obey it, but it is the law.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    VERN WILL ALWAYS BE TEH GREATNESS

    by ChaimBenSexyback

    And I have temporarily converted.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    FUCK!!

    by TOTAL_FUCKlNG_DESTRUCTION

    I meant to say I would have to introduce him to a friend of mine. Pretend I said that instead. Now I have to receive TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Vern is the Man!

    by travis-dane

    and if TFD destroys T_F_D, then we will have TFD!

  • April 4, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Vern is my personal film critic

    by TOTAL_FUCKlNG_DESTRUCTION

  • April 4, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    FUCK again!!!

    by TOTAL_FUCKlNG_DESTRUCTION

    I meant my favorite personal film critic and then I hit the enter button by accident. Okay I'm done for the day. Enough TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION has been handed out.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Buy SEAGALOGY guys....

    by travis-dane

    the best book ever written. By VERN.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    BSB calling an END to a flame war?

    by Xiphos_2

    That's a good one.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife

    by medicinaluser

    I have no idea how McWeeny will find a way back from the demolition job you have done on him in this t/b well deserved (calling for a man to loose his job..WTF) well hopefully the bubble has finally burst around here for fucking good. <BR><BR>So where is everyone leaving to now DH/NTF or AIBN?

  • April 4, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    by Phategod2

    What if Harry Hands the site over to Vern then we can all be happy.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    This site's hypocrisy is amazing

    by whitty

    Moriarty, you are one of the most obnoxious, hateful and rude people I've ever seen post something at this site--how incredibly unprofessional you are for someone who claims to be a journalist (though I've never seen any evidence that you or Harry has ever done anything to deserve that title--there's nothing journalistic about this site or either of you). And Harry, I would think your inability to write a coherent sentence or punctuate would be reason enough for you to be banned from test screenings, even if you and Drew didn't already have a track record of doing exactly the same sort of thing your ridiculous editorial and Moriarty's Unibomber-esque Talkback rants are railing against. The hypocrisy of you guys is simply unbelievable. It's no wonder you have no credibility or respect in the industry.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Vern has his own website.

    by travis-dane

    outlaw Vern.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Wow whitty that was brutal.

    by Orionsangels

  • April 4, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    A Plea for Civility

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    I remember a time when TalkBacks would get heated occasionally, but generally served as a living platform for passionate debate. This, however, was a brief time in AICN history before things turned nasty. The first time I ever met Harry I asked him why he thought Talkbacks were so venomous because it really bothered me. My friends and I had much heated debate about film, but it never sunk to the lows and vicious attacks I've seen here in recent days. Harry told me he didn't have time to waste reading that type of venomous stuff, and just blew it off. That made sense. But it's become so bad, I almost feel like TalkBacks need to be wiped clean and given a fresh start. Maybe we can take it back ourselves if we just show a little courtesy for each other and exercise a little restraint. You love film or you wouldn't be here; we all have that in common. If each of us makes a choice to come here and comment intelligently on the topic, even if we passionately disagree, we can change this. If just one person who has sank into negativity in TalkBacks decides to change maybe he/she will influence others. Now, this leaking of Wolverine is a terrible thing for all the people who worked on this film and those who invested in it. The only winners are those who like to watch films early for free and don't care about the consequences. I hope the finished film gets a chance to earn what it would have earned now that the "excitement" that generates the income for the first weekend is shot. I mean, "Fast and Furious" just made $30 million in one day. Do any of you think it would have earned 1/3 of that if it had been leaked online a month ago? I think not. It doesn't matter who you like, don't like or want to see "get screwed because they deserve it." It's still not fair to those who worked on the film. And Drew, you don't need to defend yourself or your career to those who attack you here. Your work and career speak for themselves.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    You're a dick, Harry.

    by DeafPoet

    It's one thing to weigh in with your opinion on an issue like this, no matter your take on it. It's quite another to persist with such vitriol to have some low rent internet columnist put out of work. Shouldn't you be using your dubious internet celebrity for something other than being a complete asshole?

  • April 4, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Wolverine will do huge box office.

    by antonphd

    The geeks may not like it, but most of the rest of the movie going audience is going to see it. Look at Fast and Furious - 30 million friday - the country is ready to have some flashy fun at the movies.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    I love how Drew McWeeny....

    by BoboCop

    ...in many of his flames towards talkbackers references his website, Hitflix, LOL. He'll claim he said this or that, and then invite people to see for himself at Hitflix. That's pretty desperate. Crawling back to this site and flaming people to get people to visit his site. Translation: <p> "Please visit my site! Toshi Mcweeny needs a new pair of shoes!" LOL...while at the same time trying to convince an angry mob of geeks to go after the job of some other corporate shill who likely has kids of his own. That's Moriarty for ya.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    The Reluctant Austinite

    by BoboCop

    Basically you're saying that talkbacks should be full of sycophants like yourself who hang off Harry's scrotum like ginger crabs.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    What's up, talkbackers

    by BoboCop

    I just registered for the first time in about a year after being banned about 5 times in a matter of days for criticizing Scriptgirl and joking about how one of her psychofans would kill her and rape her dead corpse. And how's you all been? <p> I'm not staying, though. I'm either going to be instantly banned, or stop posting after today. Y'all should do the same. There's life after AICN.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Writing rule #3: Know Your Audience

    by gusradio

    I was just wondering if Beaks, Moriarty, and Harry are at all surprised about the overwhelmingly negative response from internet geeks to AICN jumping on a high horse concerning the illegal downloading of a workprint, that is sure to become a fanboy collectors item, much in the same vein as the Star Wars Holiday Special. If I were writing these columns, and admittedly I am not - because I have not paid my dues or tried to make any kind of name for myself in your arena, I wouldn't condemn anyone for trying to get their hands on a comicbook movie workprint, but I wouldn't encourage it either. I'd just shut my mouth and let the pieces fall where they may. Its no skin off your back, except that your readers may have seen it before you for a change. Report the story, but don't talk about banning people, and don't talk about Hollywood losing money, or the evils of piracy. You guys make fanboys jealous with your advance screenings, hanging out with directors, and free DVD’s -everyday. You deserve all those things with your free promotion work, but part of knowing your reading audience, is knowing that most of them are going to jump at the chance to see an early draft of Wolverine, and they don’t want to hear you guys drone on about the evils of piracy because they did. Is piracy OK? I’m not trying to say it is, but look around at what room your standing in. This isn’t print media, this is a website full of tech-savvy film geeks who can speak loudly from the shadows of anonymity. Part of running this circus is trying to see things from the clown’s point of view from time to time. You’ll be much more appreciated if you can empathize with your audience, instead of trying to come across so high and mighty. Despite some seriously amateurish reviews from Harry lately (Drag Me To Hell; I’d spooge all over myself if I got to hang out with Sam Raimi too, but Jesus man, your supposed to be a pro), I still consider you guys to be relatively intelligent. Intelligent enough to know that the downfall of the American film industry is not going to be fueled by piracy, least of all by a work-in-progress of a shit-bomb. (I haven’t seen the workprint, only the trailer, but I can smell the shit from there). Hollywood execs are paid far too much money in their efforts to stifle the evolution of the film medium, unbelievably bad actors are paid tremendous amounts of money to ruin movies based on name recognition, and failed directors are used time and time again even though they have nothing new to offer. The Hollywood formula is questionable at best. When Fox fails to break box office records, you can help them blame the download of this workprint if you’d like, but it might be better received by your audience if you admitted what you should know- that these films will rake in money despite how many people pirate it, if it’s really good. Also if Fox is smart, they will release the workprint of Wolverine on the special edition of the DVD. It would say to the leakers and downloader that were as cool as you, and it’s probably a very interesting inside look at the filmmaking, special effects, and editing process.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    AICN alternatives

    by CRanga

    Can anyone suggest good alternatives to AICN. Dark Horizons or The Onion AV Club? Any others?

  • April 4, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    joblo - latino review - Dark Horizons - Coming Soon.net

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    ya know..pretty much every other website that AICN hotlinks from

  • April 4, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Man Harry...you sure fucked up this time bad...

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    Bout fucking time people came to their shit and realized what a waste of time this site is for news. You'll always have JJ Abram's and Stallones table scraps.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Bobocop, "No, I'm not saying that."

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    The fact is that I've also fallen prey to negativity myself. Life is tough and sometimes what's going on in your own life follows you here. I've pissed Harry off a couple of times. Recently. I've also recognized that sometimes I'm wrong and make mistakes, and Harry and I are totally cool. He isn't perfect either. What I'm saying is that sometimes we're going to disagree and fight, but we're in this together for the long haul. It's okay not to like ScriptGirl's reports, for instanace, but to say what you just said about her is extremely inappropriate. Just be civil to each other and to those who write here.

  • April 4, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Long live the creepythinman

    by OptimusCrime

    He has supplanted DGDB as bar none the greatest flame warrior in history. Fear his wrath, and put Moriarty on suicide watch.

  • April 4, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    By the way...

    by BoboCop

    ...I was in Blockbuster a few months back looking for a horror movie I hadn't seen before, and I came across the Masters of Horror episode directed by John Carpenter and written by Drew McWeeny (it was either Cigarette burns or the other one). So I was curious to watch a movie written by the guy banned me from AICN for joking about necrophilia. <p> Well, it was awful. The tone was really flat, it was dull and dragged along, but it was also just bizarre. But then came the kicker - there's necrophilia in it! LOL. There's a scene where some dude is in a movie theater and starts making out with a dead chick. And I was like, "Thaaaat's Mcweeny" Hypocrisy is his middle name. <p> But seriously, it was awful - McWeeny can take credit for putting the final nails in the coffin of John Carpenter's career.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Conflicting Deadpool Info

    by fiester

    I've heard the final character is called Deadpool but is played by Scott Adkins and not Ryan Reynolds--and that the Reynolds character may be spun off into his own film. Confusing.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Fox, Wolverine, AICN, etc.

    by The Angriest Planet

    My computer just freaked out and may or may not have sent an incomplete post. Since I forgot what I started with, apologies if this repeats... I share the other posters' bafflement with AICN's position on this issue. This site was built on inside info like this. Is it only wrong when you don't have exclusive access? This is a gray area for sure but I really have to wonder what you guys are about these days. As for the leak of Wolverine itself... If Fox was smart, they would downplay the leak, which they're sort of doing. Just tell people it'll be better when its done just like they tell people at legit previews. While a leak of this nature is definitely worth an internal investigation, I really wouldn't sweat it. Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN got out early and still opened huge. And we all know about TAKEN. If WOLVERINE under performs, it will be because it is not as well liked as some other thing, just like always. Even if it is not that great, it'll still be huge world-wide. After all, FANTASTIC 4 was a hit. So anything can be. And Fox, if you are reading this, stop trying to turn people into the copyright police and stop calling the fucking FBI. NEVER call the FBI, they are busy with REAL crime. Besides, the real agency to call is INTERPOL since the unlawful sale of bootlegs of new movies is your true enemy, and they are overseas. And not to the tune of the numbers you guys throw out. 18 billion indeed. What is it with this business that they are swimming in ever increasing profits yet all they can do is cry about imaginary lost millions? We may never know how the print really got out but I'm sure some poor sap will hang for it. Which would be a mistake, fire whoever for sure but jail, no. Unless you can prove whoever was copying it and selling copies. If not, focus your energies on battening down the hatches on chain of possession with film elements so this doesn't happen again. After all, scream and cry "THEFT!!!" all you want, but it's really YOUR fault this thing got out. Own it, deal with it, and quit bitching.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    So Harry "Headgeek" Knowles just admitted...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...to doing pretty much the same thing that this idiot did?<p> The only difference is that Harry doesn't work for Fox, and Harry's source was some "unnamed source" who provided an illegal copy of AOTC while the other idiot's "source" was an illegal download of Wolverine. </p> I'm disappointed, Harry, because I remember your AOTC review...and the leak of spoilers too.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    gusradio

    by CRanga

    Well said. One of the few intelligent, well thought out, and well written posts on this TB. Good grammar goes a long way.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Reluctant Austinite

    by BoboCop

    You're Harry's friend and you have met him personally, so that is shaping your opinion. For most of those here, this is just a place to vent, talk shit, and talk about movies. Most of the people here aren't in the movie biz so they don't take this shit seriously, but get worked about because they love movies, and it's frustrating to watch that medium turn to shit. Well, I'm speaking for myself. <p> As for Scriptgirl...let me put it this way. Harry is like the geek who always wanted to be cool, and part of the in-crowd. He starts a site called "aintitcool" and then the in-crowd (hollywood) and those who want to be in the incrowd (Scriptgirl) start buddying up to him just to use him. Then Harry becomes that geek who gets a swelled head and starts throwing his weight around because he thinks the cool kids are his friends and the slutty cheerleader (Scriptgirl) likes him...and eventually you just can't stand to be around that person anymore. <p> My jokes about Scriptgirl were just that...jokes. I could care less about her...but she sucks, and the way that she's put on a pedestal at this site...this site sucks, too, now.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Onion AV Club sucks.

    by Toilet_Terror

    All they write are dumb lists of things you've already watched, read or listened to. ZZZzzz. Chud was decent for a while, but it's way too obnoxious and diluted these days. There honestly isn't a perfect movie news site on the internet that I'm aware of. Most newer sites use the crappy 'blog' format as well.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Besides, Harry...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Didn't you get in trouble with the Academy? I remember a "leak" in which you pissed off the Academy and the readers of AICN. <p> http://tinyurl.com/harryknowles001 </p> I still enjoy this website...but I think that it was in poor taste to criticize a guy for something that sounds a lot like what you were guilty of in the past.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Fiester

    by Phategod2

    Ryan Reynolds Character is referred to As Wade as In Wade Winston Wilson a.k.a deadpool I believe it was him in the final scene but it could have well as been a Stuntman since he has no lines and he's wearing pretty heavy makeup.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Scriptgirl?

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Is that the name of some B-movie superhero? Oh...is it that subpar "celebrity" who writes "stars" in a ridiculous column each week? Ouch.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    HARRY & MORI > TALKBACK DOUCHES

    by Derek Wildstarr

    Do the math. Mori and Harry are simply saying that they don't illegally download workprints and then review them on AICN. The idiot from Fox News did. So he is a fuck-tard. Story over.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    You are really down with Moriarty's antics Harry? Really? Harry

    by TheReal_JasonNicholl

    Harry...Moriarty completely slanders someone and your silence makes you an accomplice. I hope Wells reads this. Very sad that you have allowed your site to become this. Harry has had lots of moments like this, but I think this right here is your NUKING THE FRIDGE moment. Harry Knowles has officially NUKED THE FRIDGE!

  • April 4, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    NEEDS GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS

    by Sal_Bando

    Make an All Sentinels, All the Time X-men flick, and all will be well. <p> You know I'm right.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    What the hell is going on!?

    by Ribbons

    Granted this is a touchy issue, but I never would have guessed that this particular article would have brought all the Harry and Drew haters crawling out of the woodwork. Then again considering I don't recognize 50% of the names here, I'm guessing that you Scorched Planet freaks e-mailed one another so that you could collectively "pwn" Moriarty with your disturbing encyclopedic knowledge of his personal history. Come on, people! We've got bigger fish to fry! Fuck Fox, etc! Seriously though, I don't understand what's going on here. Fox threatened anyone who downloaded their film with legal action, and one of their employees *reviewed* it. That's the whole story.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    BoboKop must Bobo---ummm I remember ya.

    by Sal_Bando

    You got nuked here because of the idiot Tit-girl segments? really? what is Harold thinking w/ that shit anyways-? <p> ZeroCorpse also had the same thing happen to him, too. Very sad.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    EVERYBODY FORGETS...

    by TheTajMan

    99.9% of studio releases are PRODUCT TO BE CONSUMED. There may be some level "craft" involved, some degree of "artistry," some modicum of "personal insight" infused into the film, etc. but the producer/studio only wants one thing: UNITS SOLD, and hopefully SOLD OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. To that end, any publicity is, as they say, good publicity. And we fall for it, again and again. And reviews ain't news.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by Ribbons

    ...it's cute that you Facer refugees are going on about how *this* is the day that Ain't It Cool News has officially "nuked the fridge" when you've been saying the same thing for 6 years.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    NUKING THE FRIDGE

    by The Angriest Planet

    Pardon my ignorance but I assume "nuking the fridge" is akin to "jumping the shark." I don't know if AICN has nuked/jumped but this is truly a turning point in the site's history in the making. To all those on board the good ship AICN, I would seriously take a long look at your selves and decide what you want this site to be. If you're all "on the payroll" to the point where you tout the MPAA line on commenting on a pre-release screening or download, or, if you're touting the MPAA line on anything for that matter(MPAA...worst lobbying arm EVER), then you are all seriously need to reconsider your methodology. Everyone in whatever passes for entertainment journalism is compromised somewhat but you can't be an insider and an outsider at the same time. Or if you can, you need to be smarter than this. Go to your rooms and think about what you've done. Seriously, unless you want this site to become Aintitcol news, that wacky link site I get when I mistype the addy here.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Shhhh, Ribbons...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... stop making sense. Can't you see the natives are restless? This is about Ron Wells and "Spirited Away" and people who say "nuke the fridge" 9,000 times hoping it will somehow become clever. It's not about Fox or this particular case or any sort of reason at all. Silly Ribbons.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    TomBodet, how've you been?

    by BoboCop

    Yeah, that was the official reason given, but I think part of it may have been because I was partly the ringleader of the "Gone" talkbacks where me and some others created a continuation of that crappy youth fiction by writing how those characters travel to Austin to visit the man behind the curtain by giving him a jar of chocolate covered pussy juice and allowing him to have sex with a dead chick who had been fucked to death by a truck, LOL! <p> Shame about ZeroCorpse, but he's better off, as am I. There's a better, brighter world out there.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    BALLESS_BALSAC

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    you need to learn how to read, dink. obviously your eyes did not pick up the distinct difference between me and my imposter with the underscores. look closer at the difference in the names. you'll see that there is only one, true TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Harry, explain this:

    by cool_britannia79

    'Personally, I will not conduct business or serious debates about journalistic ethics on the site. These discussions would be highly boring for most of you. They would be heated and passionate as there are always issues that would be disagreed upon. But these talks shouldn’t be about ‘playing to a crowd’ and making snipes at one another. They should be calm, cool and collected. They should be face to face and organized. And it should be 100% business. ' - Harry Knowles 2000. Care to explain why we have staffers sniping at talkbackers then? You guys have absolutely no legs to stand on and this debate is going to flood into every talkback until you issue an apology. I'm thinking of leaving the site, latino review is looking pretty good in comparison. The only thing this site has going for it is the talkbackers. If someone made a similar site with an identical talkback system you guys would be fucked. It's not like you post cool news anymore anyway.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Why yes there is Zero.

    by Sal_Bando

    I was nailed for about 6 months here, but whatever---it's still a festive time at the old ranch once the summer blockbusters come to fruition. <p> We also get to see big Robots hitting Vulcans after the Terminator nuke-out. Seems like a good exchange. <p> Spirited Away was kinda dull.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I fucked up that post...

    by BoboCop

    ...fuck it.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    TO MY BELOVED IMPOSTER

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    i know who you are. does that frighten you? it will. especially when you receive TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Silly Ribbons?

    by cool_britannia79

    It's EXACTLY about this case. You just have your heads so far up your asses you're dismissing anything that doesn't fit your hypocritical version of events.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    RIbbons

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    The reason you don't recognize fifty percent of the names on here and we all just happen to be feeding McWeeny his arse for breakfast is because he has abused his mod capabilities here for years and basically and tyrannically banned hundreds of long time posters for the crime of being in disagreement with his holy shiteness, like the insecure bloated pooftah he is, and we've all had to re-register under new names but we've carried our great hatred for this megalomaniacal twat ever since. He's total shite and he deserves it. Fuckin' self-important wanker.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    @Moriarty...

    by TheReal_JasonNicholl

    I love how your only response is the natives are restless. Good way to avoid the real issues. The real issues are not Harry or your stance on Wolverine, and it is not about the people saying "nuke the fridge" 9,000 times hoping it will somehow be clever. Dude, it already is clever and going to stick around, so much so that Time Magazine put it on their cover. NO, THE REAL ISSUE is that you and Harry have called out FOX and Roger Friedman for downloading an illegal copy of Wolverine, and you claim to take the high road. But all these people on here keep pointing out all the examples of your's and Harry's hypocricy. And neither of you want to address it. Unless you are both perfect on this issue you should not throw rocks. And also, your remake about Ron Wells being a prostitute who gives blow jobs for 25 cents was both slanderous and unprofessional, and I think you should own up to it and admit you stepped over the line. But I don't expect you to actually answer any of these charges, you will just keep dancing around them.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST

    'Sides--we're still waitin' for Minor-Jeff and Uncapie's bout.

    by Sal_Bando

    I think the Real_Jake_Nicholls would be interested in setting that up, myself. And the winner-????? <p> DrummmmmmmmmmmmRolle PLEASE: they get a GEOCITIES site! YES! it's a win-win situation-

  • April 4, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Sal Bando

    by BoboCop

    I don't think I really like Blockbusters all that much. It's a nice escape for a few hours, but there's nothing to get excited about anymore. Definitely nothing worth reading about months and months before, only to have all those months of anticipation deflated in a couple hours. Johnny Depp is filming Rum Diary right now...that's pretty cool in terms of upcoming movies. Other than that, there really aren't any movies I'm looking forward to.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Forgive me if I'm being dense...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...but after having read Mori's piece it seems most of you are missing the point. It's not so much actually calling for his firing as pointing out how hypocritical Fox are for NOT firing him, considering the blowtorch they apply to reviewers caught in similar, if not equal, situations. See, since Fox would NEVER fire him, their hypocrisy becomes that much more evident. <p> A lot of you people seem to be awfully literal, to the detriment of your own capacity to grasp a point being made beyond the complexity of "Jane sees Spot run." <p> The rest of you people howling for blood are simply using this as an excuse to get digs in regarding other AICN matters. <p> I'm beginning to have huge problems with AICN myself, but I'm not about to castrate my legitimate gripes by spicing them up with irrelevant shit just because I'm pissed off. <p> And like a talkbacker earlier pointed out -- if you can't back up your claims with links, then please, shut the fuck up. There's plenty of shitty stuff going on here at AICN as of late which can be criticized with the help of hard evidence. Anything else is pointless and makes you look like a tool. <p> As for pirating, sure, I've downloaded a few things, but I've never downloaded anything that's new or currently available in commercial form. I've downloaded loads of VHS and LD rips of movies and shows which aren't available in any other form as well as out-of-print DVDs on occasion. I suppose that makes me a pirate of sorts, but I'm sure as hell not ripping anyone off by doing so.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    There are no American tanks...

    by cool_britannia79

    ...within 50 miles of Baghdad says Moriarty! We believe him. Report at 11.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty

    by CRanga

    It seems clear that the problem most people seem to be having is with the apparent hypocrisy of various AICN contributers and their statements on Friedman, piracy, and the Wolverine leak in general. I think a post on the front page addressing some of the main criticisms that TBers have would go a long way to calming down a great deal of this outpouring of hatred.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    ...

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    The funniest part of all this is that we've got people saying how they think Harry and Drew are irrelevant ... and yet they're posting it on AICN Talkback. If it's so irrelevant, what are you DOING here, guys? That's about as dumb as casting Aang as a white dude.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Ahrrrrrrrrrr--AVAST----

    by Sal_Bando

    -------the PaZoozoo is a Pyrate?? Or a Viking-deuced Viking! Ahrrrrrrrrrr--<p> It's just been a snowball that's awl there PaZooz. It's the Hulk/Drew talkback of 6 years ago, part Too, if you like. <p> Plus we have MrBobo here too-which makes for good readin'.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Mori, have you been monitoring this TB the whole time?

    by Kief_Ledger

    If so, care to comment on some of the harsher accusations (such as stealing your tv episode idea from a book) made against you instead of your usual holier-than-thou drivel that you spew? <p></p> I didn't think so.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Oh and...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...Scorched Planeteers are the scum of the internet. If you think AICN TB is a sewer, you should try perusing the SP message board.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    McWeeny

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    Bout time you showed up. Just couldn't stay away, eh? How does it feel to be so HATED by so many like you are you silly hypocritical cunt? We HATE you here and we LOVE watching your life and all your bullshit bigtalk slowly collapsing in on itself to the point where you have to lash out at anonymous TB'ers for some sense desperate misplaced sense of accomplishment and to vent your deep rage and eternal shame at the failure of your non-existant career. Poor, poor, McWeeny. Don't worry, you can always troll the AICN talkbacks and to get your douchebag superiority fix and pretend like you are some kind of bigshot which you NEVER will be. Btw, how does your arse feel after the royal shagging Creepythinman gave you? HE PWND YOU BITCH! You are irrelevant.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Is the SP board the leftovers of the Facer?

    by Sal_Bando

    This site really needs, in no particular order-The_Lion(for his film-making skills), Mercier(Troll-tastic), Fettastic(total loonacy) and of coures Ringy(can't have enough 1000 word posts about bats, eye-color and the proper shade of cgi flames you know). Get some of those guys back here and you KNOW it will be fun come Terminator/Bots time this spring.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Cool News Talkbacks: The Movie

    by Kief_Ledger

    I'm going to translate the talkbacks to the silver screen in which it is a giant battle royale where nerds fight with sheets of paper taped to their chest with there screen name written on it. There will be certain talkbackers/warriors in the battle royale who band together, such as The Professionals. Alliances will be formed. Friendships will be tested. Blood will be shed. <p></p> In the end, everyone will be killed except the talkbacker named TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    This whole thing has been handled badly

    by TruckMirrorTarget

    AICN has lost what little geek cred it had left because of this. A site that made its bones by getting scoop is now seen to be kowtowing to the corporate powers that be. BAD. Why even mention the leak? Claim ignorance. Don't set up a Talkback for it. But no, that's not what you did. Beaks? Unbelievable. Could you make yourself seem like more of a jerk? Your rhetoric is over the top. Again, not cool. Back it off about 90 percent. Better yet, just ignore this issue. You obviously are not in agreement with the majority of Talkbackers, and insulting people and calling for Friedman's job is unnecessary. Let's not forget what this site has posted and done in the past. Is this the ultimate publicity stunt? I doubt it. Reshoots and added scenes aren't going to fix the major problems with the movie. Are they going to reshoot the last 2/3 of the movie? Recast Stryker? Eliminate Deadpool? As others have said, if word of mouth was positive Fox wouldn't be freaking out. Other movies have leaked and done well at the box office. Um, Slumdog Millionaire, Gran Torino, Taken----I saw all three at the theater AFTER I downloaded them. Difference is, those are good movies. I also downloaded the new U2 when it leaked---then bought the vinyl AND the CD. Downloading does not go hand in hand with dishonesty. There is no journalism here. Harry, geek supreme that he is, is not a journalist. He's like the lead character in "Almost Famous", except he was never able to maintain separation between fandom and objectivity. The "Godzilla" incident comes to mind. Funny how a paid junket resulted in a glowing review of a POS movie. The AOTC thing has been discussed to death. No, Harry is a fanboy who's easily bought off with promises of proximity of celebrity. He's been banned from Fox press screenings---maybe this current situation is his way of weaselling back into the good graces of Fox? I'm sure everybody has downloaded it. Mori, Beaks, Harry--there's no way ubergeeks like you haven't taken a look. Again, I wonder what the reaction would be if the film was good. But it's not good. It's an abomination. It's X3. It's Dolph Lundgren Punisher. I remember the old days here, when I might actually learn something interesting. I remember when there was a punk/geek ethos here, outsiders peeking in, raging against the machine. Now it's a cog in that machine. I hope whatever Fox has promised you guys is worth it. You are officially over.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu, don't you work for AICN?

    by BoboCop

    Or did you work for AICN at one time?

  • April 4, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Naw Ringy9 will the one left standing.

    by Sal_Bando

    Yew can't kill him. He's still hanging onto Oliver the Friendly Bat 4 years after-

  • April 4, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Another Big Difference

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Harry and Drew aren't paid by studios to review movies. They do it because they love it - and the fact that they can still love it while swallowing all the douche-water you all throw at them is cause to give them some credit. I know I couldn't put up with the fetid breath spilling out from each of you negative megadicks.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Bando

    by DocPazuzu

    Word. Where are all the unintentionally funny trolls these days? It's all just bile and shit now. Part of the blame is firmly on the shoulders of the new AICN. <p> And where the hell is Mercier? How could a compulsive, infuriating, attention-whoring poster who called himself "THE KING OF TALKBACK" suddenly just up stakes and vanish? <p> Weird.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Bobo

    by DocPazuzu

    According to zfisk/homewrecker, I'm not only 80% of all talkbackers (including you) but also Mori himself.

  • April 4, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    ThusSpake

    by BoboCop

    The reason Harry and co. put up with all the "douchewater" as you call it from talkbackers is because I would estimate that about 95% of the hits at this site (or higher) are generated by talkbackers either posting in talkbacks or clicking to check who responded to their talkback message. They could always shut the talkbacks down, but this place would become a ghost town. Tumbleweeds and all. You think people come here because of Harry's wonderful command of the English language? LOL

  • April 4, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Mercier prob. is Ryan Seacrest.

    by Sal_Bando

    You'll never know. <p> Some stuff that would make this site fun again-more of those Stallone 10 Questions things, more of those Quint Movie a Day's, things like that. Harold is SUCH a film-freak, you'd think he'd come in some day and say: You know, Ray Milland was pretty Okay. I'll break out 'The Big Clock' and 'Charlie Chan in London' and 'X, the Man w/ X-Ray Eyes' and just review'em and give an appreciation of the guys career. <p> From the Harold point of view. I respect his expertise on this shit, no really I do. But you'd NEVER never know it from alotta the postings you see here by him and some of the other writers now. <p> Mercier was a riot. Your little rants w/ Ringy were priceless too. The_Lion was gonna out-duel Kevin Smith w/ his little movie about a shower stall. All good times.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Y'know what else was on the cover of Time Magazine?

    by DerLanghaarige

    An alien from Independence Day, together with the headline "Apocalypse Pow".

  • April 4, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Sal

    by BoboCop

    When it comes time to promote "The Expendables", you can likely expect plenty of personal messages from Stallone to AICN, and possibly another 10 question things. It's gotta be a gazillion times easier just emailing the answer to 10 questions to Harry than sitting through hours upon hours of press junkets. <p> Despite his obvious attempt to shill his movie, Stallone seemed pretty cool. And Bruce Willis confirmed to me that he's the douche I've always know that he was. And I'm convinced that ABKing is the primary shareholder in Planet Hollywood, so is desperately trying to ressurect the careers of the 3 aging action dinosaurs: Stallone, Willis, and Schwarzenegger. Either that or ABking is a raging homo. LOL!

  • April 4, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    ABKING is basically to Ahnold as--

    by Sal_Bando

    --Herkimer is to all things Joss Whedon AKA Hackimer. You know I'm right. <p> One of the more entertaining eras of this site was when Jurassic_Kong came out, then a couple years later, when Big Robots(Hitting Each Other) took over the screens. Good times both. I think Messi was nuked here awhile back--where is that Green Lantern obsessed freak anyways?--but I am sure YackBacker is still here.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    So where is MrGeyser amidst all this?

    by Sal_Bando

    can't have The PaZoozoo show up w/out MrGeyser. Seems to always be a tag-team event. Sorta.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Don't forget Tubgirl Tonay

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Without whom the phrase "browncoat" wouldn't exist, as he and his alts consisted of about 90% of them. I think he was also the first person to get AICN to lock new talkback registrations, too. Speaking of which, that might have something to do with why the talkbacks are a whole lot of nothing lately. People who stumble across an article and actually have something to say can't make a new account and say their piece. Instead we're left with post after post of attention whoring. Glad to see they've been reopened.<p> And I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I totally agree with Spazuzu* on the Scorched Planet fartknockers. For all of you who gave scarythinman all those slaps on the back for "owning" Moriarty, you might like to know that they're probably the second racist site on the net, after stormfront.org.<p> Not that I don't agree that AICN's hardheaded attitude against piracy (oh noez, it's the LAW!!!) is a bit suspect... I wouldn't be surprised if they'd been browbeaten by the studios into taking that stance. Come on, if you love movies, if they're your crack, you'll do anything any way possible to watch them. Especially if you're stone broke. I know that Harry & Co, if they didn't have screeners and DVDs dropping through their mailboxes every morning, and were as poor as the rest of us, would be hitting the rapidshare and torrent sites every day.<p> <p><p>*had to do it...for old times' sake.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Why even mention the leak?

    by TruckMirrorTarget

    Surely you(Harry) didn't think you could possibly come off looking like anything other than a corporate lackey? You should have ignored the whole thing. Ghost, baby. But no. Now you've hung yourself. Stupid.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    There is 1 thing that is dumber than "Nuked The Fridge".

    by DerLanghaarige

    It's "Jurassic Kong". Seriously, what's up with that? Because it had Dinosaurs? Like...the original King Kong from 1933?

  • April 4, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Lol

    by Maceox

    My My My My. What a pathetic talk back. Like watching a Jerry Springer show full of acne ridden, overweight, loser geeks. Have your mom heat you up a hot pocket and calm down. The ultimate irony is calling for the downfall of AICN but continuing to post here. Wow just wow.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    it's King SeePooKoo---

    by Sal_Bando

    ---of course---<p> who else? So what happened to that Stiller/Wilson remake of F-Troop-? w/ CGI Robert Stack-? I think it woulda worked--John Larroquette was in there too-

  • April 4, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Gambit

    by TruckMirrorTarget

    Should be HARRY CONNICK JR. Duh. He's funny. He's Cajun. He looks young. Obvious casting.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    So which one of you is Goat_Zinger?

    by Ribbons

    I'm gonna guess Sal Bando based on that reference to "Jurassic Kong," and also based on the fact that you seem to be the most annoying.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    On a tangent, I watched this interview with JJ Abrams once...

    by BoboCop

    ...it may have been linked from this site, I forget. But he basically said in not so many words, that the series "Lost" is all about building suspense without ever giving any answers. He likened it to this mystery magic kit he bought as a kid for $20. It had a huge question mark on it, and he never opened it. He said the mystery and suspense of what was in the box was far better than anything that could have been in there, and he said that pretty much sums up "Lost". <p> In other words, the show is a colossal waste of time. That's like sacrilege at this site, right?

  • April 4, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Connick Jr is great--

    by Sal_Bando

    ---why didn't they do that I wonder--

  • April 4, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Fucking up Deadpool....

    by fiester

    Is like shooting yourself in the groin in a roomful of hot nymphos. <p> Why? Why? Why?

  • April 4, 2009, 6:20 p.m. CST

    -and which one is der Ribbons--

    by Sal_Bando

    --why it's Ribbons of course. Sir Platitudes. As for Der Lainguage---just Google 'Jurassic Kong'. Believe you me-I didn't exactly originate that tag for Sir Petey Jax's little Monkey Poo tossing Opus. <p> You of course may continue to burnish and re-visit your 1000 hours of on-set JURASSIC KONG footage DVD set all ya wanna though, of course----

  • April 4, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    On another tangent, why does Vern use an alias?

    by BoboCop

    I mean, even his book has an alias. Didn't he already serve his time? He's doesn't have outstanding warrants does he? Or is it because having his photo shown and his criminal record known might scare away potential employers? Just curious, I like Vern.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Here Der Langy--

    by Sal_Bando

    http://tinyurl.com/cmvt8b There's tons of it. Trust me. This was easy.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    I never said that you invented Jurassic Kong.

    by DerLanghaarige

    I just said it's dumb to use it. Especially after I googled it and still found no other explaination than some people thought that there never were Dinosaurs on Skull Island until Peter Jackson came up with that.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    What exactly is this Vern anyways?

    by Sal_Bando

    So weird--you have this guy who has this online Persona for about a solid decade, gets published, has a site, comes off like being Joe Bob Briggs Jr. etc w/ an odd Segal fetish--seems to be (relatively) well-known-<p> but besides being a Tacoma-ite, well--you never see him on camera or interviewed or whatever. I think he came THIS CLOSE to having a major melt-down when Big Robots Hitting Each Other One came out a couple years back---which was so WEIRD. It's just a Mikey_Bay movie. Move along, nothin' to see, Hasbro CGI shit, move along--

  • April 4, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Der Langy--look closely at the ID's you see on this TB.

    by Sal_Bando

    Come on-Creepy Thin Man etc? DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD, supercowbell4therequestformoreco wbell, CreepyThinMansPreciousLittleLife, etc---and you're freaked about a rather Wellknown nickname for a bloated Big Monkey movie? Think about it for a second.....See?

  • April 4, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    All I know is...

    by seppukudkurosawa

    his surname begins with H. I once got into an email convo with him when he was compiling his list of the Top 100 Most Badass Movies. So maybe the Vern moniker isn't just something he uses to sound mythic and manly...like Divine and Bono, and it's his real name?

  • April 4, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Alright, I think I'm done walking down memory lane....

    by BoboCop

    You can ban me now. <p> Adios.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Damn, the amount of animosity in this talkback.

    by Orionsangels

    Not since the great Phantom Menace talkback of 99. Have I seen this much name calling and just plain hatred in the geek fandom culture. Can we all just...get along...just...get along?

  • April 4, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    SeePooKoo--yer prob right?

    by Sal_Bando

    The guy's Real voice sometimes creeps into the Leo Gordon/Lawrence Tierney persona, just makes ya wonder.<p> Hey he can make a buck doing it, more power to him--be it a gimmick or the real thing. I've no real use for his stuff, just not my thing. <p> Hey the Metsies Signed Sheffield. YAYYYYYYY. Another gimpy 40 year old DH who hit .178 in Spring training---woweee--

  • April 4, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have inserted my opinions on the whole leaked "Wolverine" debacle in the same post with my attempt to bring some sort of moral civility to these preceedings. I was just trying to kill two birds with one post. It's fine that you think my opinions are "junk." They're just opinions, and beleive me, I've got a whole lot more of 'em where those came from, but I'm serious about the hurtful and spiteful things people say about each other here. That's not coming here "to have fun," that's coming here to vent hate and anger. We can be better than that.

  • April 4, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Well enough of this...

    by Sal_Bando

    .......have a good one there BoboKop, PaZooz and SeePooKoo. This TB is dead--

  • April 4, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST