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Updated w/ Response From Fox! We Don't Want Your WOLVERINE Reviews!!!
Beaks here...
Not yet, at least. Not until the film screens in an actual theater. Because the only way you're seeing it right now is through illegal channels, and we're not going to condone that.
I hate running this story, but the deluge is about to come. Forums on other movie news sites are already overrun with links and reactions to a fairly high quality studio workprint that leaked this evening - and I don't care to comment on any of it because I don't want to encourage piracy at a time when the studios are laying off employees in droves. This is bad, bad, bad for the business.
But it's also unprecedented. While I don't know if this is the biggest film to ever leak (back in 2007, there were reports of SPIDER-MAN 3 rips turning up in China a week prior to release), I can't think of a single $100 million-plus summer tentpole that hit the internet a full month early. This is significant because, as Drew posted at HitFix, no matter how hard Fox cracks down on this leak, the toothpaste is out of the tube. If you want to watch WOLVERINE online, you're not going to have to work too hard to find it.
And then there's the matter of sharing your reaction. That's where I'm struggling. While we can control what we post to the site, there are these pesky little things called talkbacks where folks can write pretty much whatever they please so long as they're not advocating genocide or disparaging Vic Tayback. I called Harry the minute I knew this leak was real (on April 1st of all days), and we went back and forth on how to handle this. I considered disabling talkbacks for this story, but knew that the discussion would just bleed into other stories. Then I floated the idea of banning anyone who expressed an opinion based on the workprint, but quickly realized that would be a moderating nightmare.
There's really nothing we can do aside from report on the leak and let you steer the discussion. If you're excited for WOLVERINE and don't want to be spoiled on the kickoff to Summer '09, I'd stay far away from this talkback. Hopefully, most of you will do the honorable thing and not download the movie. Ball's in your court. All I can promise is that we won't run a single review until the movie screens for press (be it junket or otherwise). And, yes, I'm well aware that we're in a gray area here.
The following statement was just issued by Fox re: the leak of the WOLVERINE workprint:
Last night, a stolen, incomplete and early version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine was posted illegally on websites. It was without many effects and had missing scenes and temporary sound and music. We immediately contacted the appropriate legal authorities and had it removed. We forensically mark our content so we can identify sources that make it available or download it. The source of the initial leak and any subsequent postings will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - the courts have handed down significant criminal sentences for such acts and the last person who committed such a crime is still in jail. The FBI and the MPAA also are actively investigating this crime. We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning piracy and this illegal posting and pointing out that such theft undermines the enormous efforts of the filmmakers and actors, and above all, hurts the fans of the film.
Reiterating: "It was without many effects and had missing scenes and temporary sound and music." And for those of you who questioned our motives in posting this story: "We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning piracy and this illegal posting and pointing out that such theft undermines the enormous efforts of the filmmakers and actors, and above all, hurts the fans of the film."
X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE hits theaters on May 1, 2009.
Last night, a stolen, incomplete and early version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine was posted illegally on websites. It was without many effects and had missing scenes and temporary sound and music. We immediately contacted the appropriate legal authorities and had it removed. We forensically mark our content so we can identify sources that make it available or download it. The source of the initial leak and any subsequent postings will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - the courts have handed down significant criminal sentences for such acts and the last person who committed such a crime is still in jail. The FBI and the MPAA also are actively investigating this crime. We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning piracy and this illegal posting and pointing out that such theft undermines the enormous efforts of the filmmakers and actors, and above all, hurts the fans of the film.
Reiterating: "It was without many effects and had missing scenes and temporary sound and music." And for those of you who questioned our motives in posting this story: "We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning piracy and this illegal posting and pointing out that such theft undermines the enormous efforts of the filmmakers and actors, and above all, hurts the fans of the film."
X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE hits theaters on May 1, 2009.
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1/4/09
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I mean i'm not the most honest guy on the planet but that's kind of shitty.
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that would have to have been the biggest leak in the history of film.
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I fell for it.
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...who are you trying to fool!!
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Seriously. I hate shit quality, illegal copies of movies. Whenever a friend of mine offers me a movie of dubious origin, i always pass. I LOVE my movies, as much as anyone else on this site. So how can i condone watching an illegal version that hurts the industry and looks like crap. I want to enjoy the experience. Large screen. Great sound. Via a cinema screening or on nifty blu ray. I'll be avoiding this at all costs and cursing the bejesus outta anyone who spoils it for me on the TB's.
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The date is just a co0inky dink dudes. It's real as he...scratch that, I mean it's as real as Tom Rothman's douchey-ness.
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Kudos...but i still stand by my rant.
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see for yourself.
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I was hoping to read a review or 2. Oh well, May is going to rock! Wolverine, Star Trek, T4. Bow chica wow wow.
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...its real!! Why the hell would you want to watch a workprint a film that looks pretty FX laden...youre gonna miss alot and ruin the film for yourself.
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Honest injun!
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but it has been all over the place, news-wise. Though, I haven't necessarily seen any lay-man reactions, though I haven't really checked out any forums. So what say you, John Q. Public? Shitty? Did the Re-shoots save it?
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turns out it's the workprint and not even fully complete. the new scenes that were recently added to beef up the movie are not included in the workprint. the cgi is missing and the movie looks horrible without it. yes i downloaded it and watched it and know the story somewhat but trust me even if you see the workprint you're still going to have to go see in the theater to fully experiance the full movie with cgi effects fully intact. trust me without the cgi this movie looks terrible and cheesy. so yeah you can watch the workprint and then go watch the real full movie in the theater and see what changes they've made and what cgi they improved on, which would be all the cgi. some of the mutants abilities and appearances look stupid without the cgi.
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Anything you can ambiguously discuss without really ruining anything about it?
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AICN has grown Big Balls
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It's pretty meh. I also just watched Terminator Salvation, Avatar and Star Wars Episode 7. Spoiler alert: Jar Jar Binks is the new galactic emperor.
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Nothing i can discuss that you can't see for yourself. it's everywhere iamnicksaincnsn. just get a copy. apparently this version is pre-reshoots but honestly....i doubt those help that much. it seems beyond fixing.
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Apr 01, 2009 1:13:49 AM CDT
we don't condone piracy, but its easy to get if you want it!
by bmacsmith
piracy sucks, but what can you do?
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It's not an April Fools joke. It's not done by any means, while the quality of the transfer is perfect quality, any scene with CGI is unfinished to say the least. Most of the time it's just untextured standins. The movie itself is unfinished too, as the final version will have 20 more minutes added to it.
As it is, it's not horrendous. It's got a lot of stupid in it, but a bit of awesome as well (Unexpected cameo at the end was terrific) and Liev Shrieber pulls off a really great Sabretooth, though why he has transformed into Tyler Mane by the time the first movie rolls around is completely left unexplained. How Logan's memory is lost is idiotic as well. Gambit is pulled off about as well as anyone, though I wasn't really feeling the actor. The main plot is kinda meandering, and there were a few random mutants that weren't fleshed out and just as quickly disposed of. Ryan Reynolds was great as Deadpool, until they screwed him up at the end. Interesting but way too short fight at the end too, and the entire Sabretooth vs Wolverine plot is also dropped...
Yeah, it needs another 20 minutes, much of it needs fleshed out more, as it is it's a very light summer flick that will come out one week and be blown away the next (Star Trek seems like the better movie if the trailers are any indication). In the X-franchise, it's nowhere near as good as 2, and probably along the same lines as 3. Like I said, it's unfinished though.
This has happened before. Remember when Hulk leaked early? The bad word of mouth about the effects hit that movie hard when it released. I'm wondering if a similar effect is going to happen here. -
Apr 01, 2009 1:17:36 AM CDT
u could have just said dont do it, it triggers the conficker vir
by pjvader
maybe it does who the hell knows! all i know is that i will watch the workprint, pay to see it, then even if it sucks ill buy the blu-ray as im that kinda guy :)
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i'd stay away from it! could be a very different movie from what will be released in a month ... it might be fun to compare this workprint AFTER having seen it on the big screen ...
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But then I will go to a proper theater when it is released... Not the same thing, and how can Wolverine be spoiled anyways, everyone pretty much knows how the story will roll...
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...if you want to help the Hollywood industry lay offs, you've got to point the finger at the over indulgent pay checks at the top, not piracy...the way bottom.
I tell you man, whenever there's an Econ crisis, the little man and the little'er man get it point blank while all the fat cats keep what they always had and, in fact, usually end up with more.
Sorry, busting a little early 20th century soap box in Washington square style.
Solidarity people, Solidarity.
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I saw it on Kevin Smith's AICN inspired website...
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in the past i've always found it interesting to see the workprint version and then see the full version just to see how they've improved it. what changes they've made. i find myself sometimes going "wow, the changed the ending completly." or "they didn't kill that guy like in the workprint".
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because Fox management sucks sweaty donkey balls? Just thinking out loud.
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Unless those fourteen minutes give us some kind of closure on Sabretooth, flesh out Deadpool, make the farm sequence not stupid, and completely erase the "Adamantium bullets", and add at least one more kickass action scene for a total of 1 and a half, I don't think it's going to be a different movie. The opening credits do kick ass though.
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Apr 01, 2009 1:21:16 AM CDT
Ummmm.....theater attendance is better than ever.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
And there is not one shred of evidence that pirated films negatively impact ticket sales.
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I can wait until someone sees it at a legit showing
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If you don't want to support piracy, then don't spread the word that there is a leak. Now tons of people are going to look for it, and spread it even more.
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this movie sucks!
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Apr 01, 2009 1:22:38 AM CDT
Exactly. This article just told hundreds of people its out there
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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Apr 01, 2009 1:22:59 AM CDT
Box office records are being made in the last couple of years!
by silentbobafett2
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Not each download equates to a lost sale, because some people pirate who don't have the financial means, or any real desire to pay, but piracy does effect some sales. That's just common sense.
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Apr 01, 2009 1:24:56 AM CDT
Most people who pirate would not pay to see it anyway.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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I saw Taken online, would have paid to see it in a theater otherwise. Maaaaaybe the good word of mouth was boosted by the pirated version but maybe not.
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Not really a report! lol! But seriusly, this is my view: 1) Get better theaters with better staff. 2) If I borrow a film off a friend... is it piracy? 3) If I tape a film off of TV - is it piracy? 4) If I buy an import - is it piracy? 5) How comes all kinds of records for box office have been broken recently? 6) Didn't Dark Knight come out last year, that is now one of the most succefull movies ever? THERE WAS A DVD RIP (HQ) OUT OF THAT THAT WAS REPORTED IN THE NEWS!!! 6) Seeing a film on the big screen in a GOOD CINEMA with a GOOD STAFF WORKING THERE will always beat a file off of a computer. 7) Theres more but lets just say these lay-offs and fear of piracy is studio BS. An excuse to cut costs and scare people. There is a lot more that the studios could do to save the industry than worry about the occasional leaked work print etc
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Apr 01, 2009 1:28:52 AM CDT
And Beaks. If you're concerned about Hollywood layoffs....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....perhaps you should stop promoting films shot outside of the U.S. Runaway production is a massive crisis for the industry resulting in mucho job loss here in the states. Of course the suits don't give a fuck. The films are still getting made, with non-union crews and they're pulling in massive profits.
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I know it's wrong, but must watch now! WWJD?
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I'll pay to see it, always intended to. Besides, this is far from a finished cut. And it's going to make a butt-load of money, even with the good will lost from X3.
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the 1st one
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I thought it was a joke, but if MSNBC is reporting it, I'm willing to concede that this print really is out there...and that's bullshit. at least they know who leaked it and he's gonna get shitcanned...
http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh
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Now we have a reason to blame for our movie's shitty under-performance. ('Cause, God knows, no one's gonna let us blame Hugh Jackman's jazz-hands.)
"Why are these kids willing to settle for shit-quality downloads of our big-screen blockbusters?", always asks the idiot selling software applications for palm-sized media devices. -
There were very good copies out there, and yet...
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No-win situation here. It's a major leak. We reported on it, and left it up to the readers.And tell my friends who've been laid off over the last few months that they should be thrilled about that spike in theater attendance. Or the ones who will be let go before the end of the summer. The industry is in a transitional phase - and the scale of that transition could be staggering.
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*golfclap*
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Its like a blowjob after breakfast.
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is being moved off-shore. We're gonna be a 3rd world country any time now.
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Apr 01, 2009 1:34:58 AM CDT
Yup...the transitional phase is: cheaper crews = more money.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
THANKS AUSTRALIA AND CZECH REPUBLIC!
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...for saving me the effort of finding out for myself that it was shit.Then again, the short-haired Sabertooth and the ridiculous flying-attack-on-helicopter pretty much telegraphed how it was going to turn out.Can we PLEASE have the Miller/Japan story now we've exhausted all the tiresome 'Weapon X' bollocks?
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just ask your Lord Obama!
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Apr 01, 2009 1:38:39 AM CDT
It all comes down to OUTSOURCING AMERICAN JOBS.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
The studio fucks can come up with a million excuses. They can point the finger at shit like piracy all they want. They're pulling in records profits, yet more and more American employees are laid off while production overseas soars. Sound familiar? Yeah. Sounds just like every other fucking industry we've lost.
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Or, it could mean there will only be thirty theater screens within 15 miles of me instead of forty-seven. Won't really matter since 18 of them will still be showing "Wolverine" and the other twelve won't be showing anything I'm willing to pay $11 for either.
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Anyone that read the shithouse script knew that the final product was gonna be terrible, even with any rewrites/reshoots.
I'm still gonna download it and watch like I always intended to, but no I get it a month earlier and in better quality.
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I had no idea there was even a leak. You guys basically just advertised it to everyone who visits your site and didn't know about it. =S
But I won't watch it yet anyway. I relish the experience of being in a theater with a full audience, soaking up the big screen. w00t. -
Apr 01, 2009 1:40:51 AM CDT
Thanks, Harry, now I can get it before Fox pulls it.
by cossack_says_die
If you wouldn't have said anything, then I would have probably gone to sleep and not checked my usual sources. But since you did, I am currently downloading the motherfucker. Ill be watching it when I wake up tomorrow. This shit is legit people, not an April fools prank.
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This movie will suck, Almost as much as X-men 3, and now when it doesn't get the numbers ($$) they want, they will blame torrents and petition Senators to kill more of the freedoms of privacy that we enjoy on the internet. I'm not saying that piracy is even remotely OK. But there are many benefits to things like newsgroups, file sharing, ect. that we will dearly miss when Hollywood corporate money talks Washington into taking it away. That is why the Wolverine leak is bad. I know filmmakers and musicians that put their art on torrents themselves (mdotstrange, Giuseppe Andrews, ect) because they want to reach people and can't get they're movies distributed because of the way Hollywood bullies the distribution process. I'm not happy at all that this film was leaked and I will refrain from watching a workprint, but I saw that lame ass trailer and I'm tried of watching butchered stories that I've known by heart for over a decade. Also, I've grown out of enjoying paying to sit in a cramped theater, overhearing conversations through movies, shifting around to let drunks go take a piss, and smelling your farts. I'll watch this when it hits video, what can this film possibly enlighten me about Wolverine? I've read those comics since I was like 6 years old, and the movie will obviously be a let down. So far this year my favorite film has been Coraline in 3D. It was like watching a living diorama. Henry Selick is a visionary, while Gavin Hood (the director of Wolverine) directed Kickboxer 5 and an episode of Stargate SG1.
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I watched the first scene and the opening credits...I wont watch anymore until theaters, it looks to badass, I want to see the proper f/x.
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Apr 01, 2009 1:44:21 AM CDT
BEAKS: come on... I agree with about piracy and this film BUT
by silentbobafett2
You can't tell me you think your friends are loosing jobs because of it! Cheaper crews, international production bases, the ECONOMY DROP MIGHT have something to do with it... MIGHT! Beaks - I have friends who are looksing their jobs. There were thousands and thousands in the last few months of factory workers - WAS THAT BECAUSE OF PIRACY? THE WORLD IS IN TRANSITION! DOn't give us that "piracy is killing the industry line". It's an excuse. And I will tell your friends who lost their jobs that. It's a shame but they deserve to know the truth and fight for whats right! Not fight on a lie... Is priacy bad? Yes. Is it the devil? No. Ask your friends how many big cheese suits took pay cuts? How many of them PAID to see a film at the cinema? How many took h ome a screener? Take away the piracy issue, which I'm sure has an effect but it's minimal compared to other factors, and see what you're left with.
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But that's not much help to California crews. Runaway production is an entirely different issue, and really isn't germane to this discussion.
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i didn't know this leaked, until you said so.
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got in a shitload of trouble. Just sayin'
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Work prints usually suck. I'm not "super" excited for this film either. It looks like "Wolverine and a whole bunch of other mutants crammed in for the fan boys".
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You just watched the best part of the movie. It's all downhill from there.
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Nice try, but you read the "actor" portion of his IMDB profile, not his director credits. What do I say next? Fail? Burn? Cookin the books? ::insert trendy net phrase here::
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There is one thing I truly support it's the arts. That goes for music, movies and the such. I agree to pay for said content because I want it to keep coming. It's enjoyment.
When assholes leak shit and others steal it in the long run you are not only hurting yourself but everyone else. Eventually this type of stuff will hurt the quality and the amount of movies you will see in the theater. And that goes for home media too. Rent a movie if you have to by paying for a service like netflix but stop stealing it because you're fucking it up for everyone else in the long term and that's just selfish.
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...How the fuck did you come up with that?
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...even pirated. The trailers look like canned ass. Not worth the time to find it.
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I've seen plenty of rough cuts, prescreenings and test viewings. STILL going to see this at the theater because TONS.
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until you told me it was leaked.
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hit the enter button... anyways... TONS of edits can be made and entirely change the feel of a film.
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May I remind you of a little film affectionately referred to as "Episode III", out as an essentially finished workprint about two weeks before its release.
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Gavin Hood did not direct Kickboxer or an Episode of Stargate. He did Rendition and Tsoti. I've honestly never seen either (but still don't care).
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it comes fro Rising Sun Pictures, the date of the print is march 2, 2009.
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http://tinyurl.com/c6d67l
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Johnny Depp in talks to become Freddy Krueger almost had me. I love Depp, but he ain't Kruger.
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. . . when you've got both studio heads and unions tearing the profits to pieces with their bullshit. Same thing with the auto industry; it sucks that things are bad, but at some point we have to acknowledge that marginally-skilled labor requisite of nothing higher than a GED might not be worth six figures a year and lifetime benefits.
As far as the studios go, they'll do well to remember that those in the horse-and-buggy business didn't gain their shares back in a changing market by making it harder to buy the same old surrey.
In these times of downturn, people need to remember that the purpose of the economy is not to provide jobs or keep any specific business afloat. The only thing the economy has ever been capable of meeting demand and supply. If you can't shift your supply to the demands of the market, you either fail as a business or your market goes to the next available opportunity cost. After hearing Fox at ShoWest declaring that they'd like to set a $5 premium on certain tickets atop of their regular price, I think having a studio or two fail in this economy isn't the worst thing. And if those studios happen to be . . . say . . . Fox and the Weinsteins, I can't really pretend to be that upset or surprised. -
That was a big deal leak wasn't it (in fact Harry ran his orgasmic review based on the pirated version if I recall correctly).
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http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd000a.jpg
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Hey, The Australian film industry got reamed in the ass on our local content quotas when we signed an FTA with the USA (much cheaper for local networks to buy the rights to American product than get behind domestic productions)... Aussie crews gotta eat too, you know.
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http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6905/pdvd000a.jpg
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In a restaurant...you eat dinner before you pay. The unspoken rule is this...if you get served crappy food, there is a good chance you won't have to pay, provided you complained from the first few bites, at the very least you'll get a new plate. But the way Hollywood sets this up...you pay before you take the first bite...hell, you pay based upon 30 seconds of a 2 hour movie and the pompous ramblings of what are usually some bought and paid for "critics", then 20 minutes into what turns out to be shit...they typically won't refund your $ if you walk out. Oh...you can demand your money back...but it isn't often they will give it too you...Nope....you pay up front..and when the movie sucks you don't have much recourse. The Box office should be at the exit...if you leave before the half way point because it sucks ass..no charge. Why this rant here? because the way I see it Hollywood owes me at least one pirated movie per year...Fuck, they owe me three for Cloverfield alone...one to pay me back for the money I wasted watching it...1 more awarded for damages for the 80 mintes I'll never get back, and one more for pain and suffering.
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Im about an hour and ten minutes into the workprint at the moment. While I do realize this isnt the final product I cant see how adding 14 minutes to it will fix the problems im seeing.
The acting is pretty good but the story is such a let down. Its got a very slow pace after the beginning 20 or so minutes.
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Down with the system!
Screw Mr. Beaks' friends! Man, my friends have lost their jobs too, but the only difference is their jobs were not cool and didn't pay well and my friends are now losing their houses and having to make hard choices about what to do next.
Come back when we're talking about real life and not the effect that movie downloads are going to have on your wimpy friends.
Ad hominem attacks work best.
I won't be downloading this because I have better uses of my time, bandwidth, and hard drive. Thanks for letting me know about it though so I can follow the hysteria!
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Apr 01, 2009 2:11:05 AM CDT
IT'S NOT PIRACY KILLING THE STUDIO'S, IT'S SHITTY MOVIES!!!FACT!
by thefuckingcreepythinman
Why don't the studio's try to produce movies for less than 100 to 300 million dollars and actually try to hire good directors, good writers and MAKE SOME GOOD FUCKING MOVIES!!!
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Beaks, can't believe you don't remember the Hulk leak. Mori had a massive sanctimonious bitch about it here, and was roundly outbitched by tb'ers for his hypocrisy. I think you've done the only thing you can do in this situation - you're a news site, it'd be remiss not to report this news, but you've managed to make the point about "piracy bad" without resorting to Mori's level of basically saying "it's OK when I do it because I'm a professional".
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Dark Horizons didnt report it. Didnt hear of it anywhere else. Another case of AICN the biggest movie site on the net (i think) reporting something while claiming they didnt report it. Thanks for the exposure! You know this cant be contained but AICN dedicating a headline to it sure wont help matters. At all. You guys are silly.
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Is Deadpool not mentioned in the trailers? Is he some secert? Is there a reason I only see trailers for this movie on Cartoon Network? Is the name Deadpool to menacing sounding? I mean they do that WHOLE stupid Blob, Cyclops, Kitten, Minx, Fozzie, Kermit, Miss Piggy, Animal line up of all the Marvel people in this movie but no Deadpool? I mean its not like they are showing the Blob eating the Wasp? Seriously, is Deadpool suppose to be some sort of surprise, like this movie was trying to be till it got leaked? Ahhhh Hood why couldn't you have just made another sequel to your only worthwhile accomplishment in life American Kickboxer.
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... only putting prints together for a few screenings then disassembling the prints, otherwise they plan to keep the film segmented until it has to be sent to distribution. It seems like a good plan since it has been complete since 2008 and they have a bunch of HP fans who were pissed at WB for pushing it out 9 months.
It seems as though film companies should spend more effort refining their chain of custody security than trying to murder john doe downloader in the courts.
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Apr 01, 2009 2:17:37 AM CDT
I know a bank that fired people because of piracy.
by stalin vs predator
Specifically, because they plundered a few dozen accounts.
Yeah, just as "the crisis" is the best excuse now, allowing thousands of company executives to do whatever they want and blame "the crisis", "the piracy" is an even better excuse for several industries. Get ready for holy calls of: "We need more online surveillance and content control in Web 2.0, because WOLVERINE TUK ER JERBS!"
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.... and the world is still turning..... who would want to download Wolverine anyway? It looks HORRIBLE and so far it seems that that is the general consensus....... Also -- BEAKS...... I had no idea that this was going on until you posted it.... in trying to keep people from downloading it you just opened a can of worms and now even more people are downloading it because of your post..... make sure you don't tell your friends that when they lose their jobs.......
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Please have harry post an op-ed piece stating categorically that neither he (or any writer associated with this site) have ever watched a non-studio sanction pirated copy of a move and commented about it on the site.
Or shut the fuck up.
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I wouldn't of know had you not said anything, now Im downloading it. Thanks for telling us! :P
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You sat through CLOVERFIELD, and you're only asking for one free movie to cover your "pain and suffering."
Dude, why are you being so easy? Any civil court would award you six months of free showings, plus popcorn! CLOVERFIELD sucked major balls!
Tell me you paid for WATCHMEN, too, and I get you a year of cinema, popcorn and a reach-around from the ticket girl. The physically-challenged one, bro - not the hottie. Be reasonable. -
I'm not joking, why didn't you just stay quiet?
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http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=11796
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remove the space in that URL for it to work.
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went to the link and damn... definetly makes AICN look like a bunch of hypocrites right now
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At least, that is what this article seems to suggest, if you read between the lines. When has AICN.com refused to publish advanced fan reviews that are authentic, in the past?
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They gave us Marley and Me, they deserve every bad thing that comes to them for that gift from Satan (or God depending on who's side your on).
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...from a bootleg copy? Can anyone square that with this latest edict?
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Apr 01, 2009 2:35:49 AM CDT
I miss the old days of this site - before the paychecks
by professor_monster
when badasses worked here.
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That's all I have to say.
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I doubt anything will be said in response to this. Im just curious as since you say you talked to Harry about the leak... did he ever mention how he might look like a hypocrite?
Since he reviewed a pirated copy of Star Wars in the past on this site. Did he bring up how stupid he might come off here? Honestly? -
Apr 01, 2009 2:39:04 AM CDT
Are the reviews of the non-pirated WOLVERINE expected to be any
by bjornegar
Or any worse? It's WOLVERINE!!! Who gives a s # ! t? Pirate it into the ground!!! Hollywood can only be BETTER if this kind of garbage is un-profitable.
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I have never met a person in real life who has been against pirating of music or movies. Maybe its my age group(mid 20s), maybe its because I dont know anyone personally in the movie industry. Not everyone knows how to pirate and get these movies early or the first week they are in theaters... but everytime I find one of these movies and show my friends they are grateful. Never once have I had anyone get self-righteous like you try to in your original news story. Laughable in my opinion... but whatever
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Ahh, the true spirit of the internet...
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and I really DONT have to pay Fox to see a movie this year.
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...Except for when Harry watches Episode 2 on a bootleg or any other reviews that aren't Hostel 2. You know you aren't allowed to report to outside media sources what you saw in a test screening either, right? This film won't get hit hard because of Piracy. That shit has been proven straight up to be a myth. It will get hit hard because it looks shit, and once word of mouth gets out that it is shit, it will tank. The workprint won't help matters. But for an alternative, just witness Taken. Full DVD quality out on the net almost a year before it hit cinemas. People were talking about it endlessly after bootlegging it. And its still a huge hit. I also have another question...Why are you covering for Fox? I mean, why do you care if people express their opinion on bootlegged material. It never bothered you in the past when it was Moriarty talking about pirated Myiazaki flicks.
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...I haven't seen it. Why the fuck would I waste precious porn bandwidth on a sure fire turd like this? Oh, and whose gonna get fired for leaking it?
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Apr 01, 2009 2:45:38 AM CDT
Fox released it themselves so they can blame the low BO
by professor_monster
on the fact that it is available for download. They know they made a piece of shit and this is a brilliant move on their part.
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Looks like all you've done is have everyone going on about piracy yet again.
By the way - whoever made the restaurant allegory, I like it.
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Drew the cock suck McWeeny banned me twice from this place because he couldn't argue points I brought up.
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I am having trouble even bringing myself to finishing the movie. Got about 30 or so minutes left. Wraith and Wolverine are just about to go get Gambit. The movie is dull as shit though. I mean its great seeing Wolverine again as I think Hugh Jackman is awesome in the part, but my god the movie is just fucking slow as shit most of the time.
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Even watching the thing for free thanks to those swarthy pirates I still felt ripped off. It was that fucking bad. End of review. Oh and Harry, if you want to help the Hollywood goldmine some more, don't publish such a pathetic article in the first place which may as well have been titled "ATTENTION, WOLVERINE WORKPRINT NOW AVAILABLE FOR FREEEEE DOWNLOAD FOLKS... BUT WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T MENTION IT TO YOUR FRIENDS AND DON'T TALK ABOUT IT TO ME!!!!! Sorry but fuck em, if some overpaid dickless corporte stooge is stupid enough to leak this in the first place then they deserve to get ass fucked by the general public.
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...I rarely pirate. Its usually for films that get fucked over in my country in regards to releases. Like Grindhouse or whatnot. I do however, RENT alot. I used to go to the movie once or twice a week. Now its more like that a month, simply because the experience is beyond a fucking joke. Ticket sales are down because you pay a fortune for shitty visual and audie quality, up to 45 minutes of ads (not trailers, just fucking ads) and constant interruptions from assholes, and now STAFF. I went to see Dark Knight opening night at the biggest, most expensive cinema in Sydney. Talking throughout the whole film, constant DELIBERATE sound drops (to trace the copy if it was pirated) and staff doing nothing about cell phone calls, but shining fucking torches in our FACES during the flick to see if anyone was recording. Plus assigned seating, to save on cleaning up. Fuck em.
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Somebody really screwed the pooch this time. The people I really feel bad for is the cast and crew. Working hard for months, re-shoots, hoping to please the fans and now the early reviews seem to suggest the internerds are aiming to shred this bitch. In the end though, the studio is ultimately responsible. They really should of had this print on lockdown.
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That's so screwy.
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I had none of that during my viewing of DK. Yet, I still wanted my money back at the end. Over-rated, poorly-filmed piece of...
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The reason the film business might be doing poorly in these times has to do with the fact that the studios are being run by their marketing departments in order to "maximize profits", rather than by artists and artistic vision. The biggest money-makers in history, aside from maybe THE DARK KNIGHT, have all been huge gambles (STAR WARS, E.T., JAWS, TITANIC, even GONE WITH THE WIND and THE WIZARD OF OZ), but nothing like that will ever get made in today's overly-greedy studio system, not when you can just handily remake movies that were making money ten years ago and stick a Jonas Brother in it. Instead of paying Brad Pitt 20 million dollars, actors should all make a regular working wage (which would also weed out people who are strictly there for a massive payday) and participate in the profits. If a movie does well, they get what they deserve and the profits are distributed evenly. If not, then the studio isn't out 120 million bucks.
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Depends on the flick. I think we were the first in the world to get Dark Knight, so they expected bootlegs from here. Despite the fact that the minute a print hits ANYWHERE in asia, a private screening and a video camera are set up.
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...Cutting the fat from the unions and bottom earners is pointless, because its already been cut below what it can tolerate. It has to come from the top, which, coicidentally, is where the most money is wasted. You could cull half of the corporate side of any large industry and lose absolutely nothing of value. Yet save a fortune. Same goes for hollywood. Producers (some, not all) and executives contribute very little to a films actual production, yet because they hired some guy to do a cool trailer, they get paid ten times what half the workers on set get paid.
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While I don't think piracy is killing the industry, I'm glad to see you guys banning reviews. I mean, come on guys. We all wanna see a wolverine movie (a good one anyways). But do we really wanna see it first on some shitty workprint? Kills the fun man.
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as in don't fucking know, don't fucking care. if it's a joke, it would have been better to use a film that people are really keen to see (T4, for instance), if it's legit, well, happy days for all that are so passionate about Hugh Jackman.
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You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh. What goes around comes around.
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and its harbage. anyone who enjoys a comic brought to the big screen should stay away. anyone who enjoys a good flick period should stay away
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...Including the countries they run to. Canada and Australia's creative film community essentially lives off the American teat now. We exsist to work on your productions, basically leaving only the dregs around to work on ours. Also, you somehow get films like The Matrix sequals getting Aussie tax breaks because they somehow classify as an Australian film. Its sort of like how Nike claims they are helping third world economies by taking their people out of the rice paddies and putting them in sweatshops. Meaning a small few profit off of it.
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Mrbong, sir, you are a tremendous person. You have just coined the most sensitive, non-offensive euphemistic alternative for "screaming queers" I've ever heard.
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Site AICN reviews movies before they're released. Person sees movie through whatever means and then sends it in here. I don't see the problem. You're telling me that every single one of AICN's advance reviews were based upon screenings? In theatres? Riggghhhttttt... Anyway, I probably won't DL this if it's missing 14 minutes. But there's alot of sites out there, if you don't like posting your IP through a torrent site, try looking for a site that has rapidshare links. those go up and down like hotcakes.
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if you posted this:
"there are these pesky little things called talkbacks"
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"Then I floated the idea of banning anyone who expressed an opinion based on the workprint,"
What kind of nazi horse-shit is that? Without the talkbacks, this site doesn't exist. Many of your talkbackers are profoundly more entertaining and intelligent than yourself or anyone else employed by AICN. Do you realize how much you completely suck as a (so called) journalist right now?
You can't retract this shit. But you should apologize.
And like I said Before, this movie will suck. The leak will give mediocre filmmakers a scapegoat for lousy returns in the third week. Piracy can't be good for any industry, but good product sells itself (The Dark Knight). Also what pirate do you know that doesn't also have a huge collection of legitimate dvds, games, and music? The pirate's appetite is insatiable, they can't collect enough. -
...for releasing movies online. face it, the cinema is dying guys. its time to watch movies like we do everything else: online. i mean, defenitely not this movie. this is as close to a religious experience ive had, PIRATING actually saved me from spending the money i dont have to go see a movie that i didnt even like watching for free
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Apr 01, 2009 3:14:30 AM CDT
Let's face it, a review of a leaked screener is BETTER than Harr
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..little previews he gets
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...The last two movies I downloaded were All The Boys Love Mandy Lane and Let The Right One In. I loved both. I took two friends to see Let The Right One In last week (even though it was only showing in one fucking cinema miles out of the way in my entire city - Sydney, with a population of over 5 million) so the piracy MIGHT have helped (though not really, as I was dying to see it anyway). In regards to All The Boys? Guess what, its not out here. And it wont be in the foreseeable future, because distributors don't believe it has an audience in my country. I've never downloaded a big studio flick before, simply cause...whats the point? They're always unfinished copies or cams, and most of the time, its shit I want to see on the big screen. Like Watchmen, which I saw twice.
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And it's an affiliate of AICN (Drew Mcsweeny no less). Check all the others. No such wolverine spill.
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This could be a blessing in disguise. I can't believe what I'm reading. How can you screw up Wolverine? You have to be the worst fucking director in the universe (Cough, Sam Rami)to fuck up Wolverine(or Spiderman). This movie will still make money though.
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trust me
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if you don't want the people to pirate all the shitty movies you are spending millions of dollars to make, then stopping putting so much energy into shitty cinema, thus forcing pretty much everyone to have to preview things first. If more people trusted Hollywood to not make so many dumb movies, they would probably be much less hesitant to spend their good money at the theaters.Wolverine is a totaly toss-up. Some people say it's gonna be shit, while others hail it as the next coming of the cinematic bliss train. Personally, I think the movie's gonna suck. I don't plan on pirating it, nor do I plan on seeing it unless I happen to be at a friend's house, and I'm not paying with anything but my free time.If this really is a leak, whatever. Ha-ha for FOX. Cry me a river you failed douche bags of a film production company.But...if this is an April Fool's Joke, then that's fucking hilarious.
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...its the real deal. and goddam if it aint a total waste of time. do not spend your money to see this move
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I'm with you, man... I don't download pirated films unless I have no other option. I downloaded Let the Right One In... but that's because there is no planned release here in Qld. If it was screened here, I'd pay to see it. I also downloaded season 5 of The Wire, which we've been screwed on with the DVD release. I see downloading pirated gear as a last resort punishment for distributors who are not getting with the program.
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It's being hosted on a few sites. I'm in shock FOX could let this happen to a film so big. By the weekend the DVD will most likely flood the streets. The damage is done. This film is ruined. Average Joe movie watcher who gets his shit off the street 5 for $20 is not going to care about any reshoots, or that the score was temp or that the film is unfinished. To most people who see this, they will just know they saw "Wolverine" early. And they won't see it again in the theater. FOX fucked up BIG TIME.
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I read it on CHUD before I saw it here.
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this is what you get for being total money-grubbing asshole fuckheads, FOX. i hope you all die in a fiery plane crash
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"I was jus' sailin' the merry seas and saw a copy of Wolverine floatin' in the ocean. I gave it to some folks. Does that make me a pirate? I dunno. I like to think it's the sinkin' of those British naval ships and the parrot on me shoulder. That's for you to decide, my hearties."
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I seen the screencaps. It's real and it's not a virus. I won't DL it because the X-movies are FX porn and what's the point of watching FX porn if half the money shots are missing or even half-finished.
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...To a nicer studio. I hope the losses on this stop you from raping the corpse of either Alien or Predator yet again, you fucking scumbags.
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despite this movie sucking, i'll give him props for that.
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I saw the first 10 minutes and was underwhelmed. But then again, I really wasn't excited about the trailer after I saw Wolverine casually walking away from an explosion. Again, FOX fucked up. Do we all think any other high profile Summer movie will be leaked too? It seems like this shit is going to only get worse.
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im fine. they cant be as god-awful as this pieve of shit was
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...They can reboot this series. Reviews for this aren't something I'd go through the trouble finding.
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and all the fans that almost paid hard earned money to get fucked. Imagine a rape victim getting a bill, thats how i would have felt. Now i know its not "done" yet so maybe the final will be better. it would have been a better movie had they not crammed deadpool in it killing him in the process. THIS IS SPIDERMAN 3 ALL OVER AGAIN.
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...reboot the movie
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"Our shitty movie has been leaked on thosed damned interwebs! Now all will know of our shitty movie, and no one will want to pay for it! Whatever shall we do?"There are reviews sprinkling the internet as we speak. If this is an April Fool's joke, there are a lot of people in on it.
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...they fucked deadpool in the ass. that was harsh in the worst way. fucked everything about him up, except for the first 10 minutes of screentime he had.
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These studios dont learn from their mistakes. "spiderman 3 was successful and we shit all over their beloved characters so lets do it again"
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I watched the first 15 min and it was really sub par. Scenes felt rushed, sabretooth wire jumps look awful. I like Jackman as Wolvie but something is missing!
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Holy shit Fox.Wouldn't it be great if this just kept happening and they went out of business? At least there would be less boring, distractingly dumb previews.
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so was hugh jackman and they still fucked it up.
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so was hugh jackman and they still fucked it up.
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Piracy could potentially ruin the movie business. While production companies like Fox consistently make crap to be avoided, there are other companies, like Miramax,Universal, Warner Brothers that all have made at least a few good movies. I would hate to see any of them go down the drain that Fox might.
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...and now their summer "blockbuster" gets leaked. instant karma is a bitch, huh?
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MARVEL.Now they fucking got it right. Whadya say Fox? Wanna give that X men property back to the people it belongs to? I want my Phoenix Saga done the right way, in space and everything.
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... if Star Trek bottoms out like this godawful fuckall of a movie, im gonna start firebombing
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It wasn't horrible like some people say. I didn't mind it. Although what the fuck did they do to Deadpool. They fucked that shit up bit time. I was screaming at my computer screen. I love the temp score, which was actually the score from the transformers. It was also really interesting to see a working copy of a movie. Its weird to see all the wires on people, and the unfinished FX. I will still probably spend the 10 bucks to see it with my friends when it comes out just to see what kind of musical score it will have and how the FX turn out.
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X-Babies! Same cast!
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...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! HAAAA!!!!What the fuck Fox? Cyclops powers? Laser beams and Terminator vision? Do you even read the comics? That is the funniest shit I have read in a long time.
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...if these big-wig retards at the production studios just took the source material from these funnybooks, got decent actors that looked somewhat like the characters, and just glitzed it up a bit, us nerds wouldnt be here at 2:00 in the morning whining about the movies they make
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Who needs Hollywood anyway.
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Talks of banning people who post is ridiculous, the fact that the only thing that stopped you from doing it is that it would be to much work for your fat fingers is just down right scary. Please remind yourself that all of us make this website possible, that those of us who prefer to watch a piece of shit like Wolverine for free as opposed to paying 10$ for said piece of shit are implied to have any less honor is something you should be ashamed of. Long have the men in charge at Fox pissed all over us, long have they made quick and dirty comic movies with the sole intent of raking in cash that I feel no pity for them should we the dishonorable choose not to line the pockets of people who dont give two shits about us or our opinions. This site has been a daily visit for me, and never have I been offended the way I am today. As far as Im concerned, people like us dishonorable folks who see these shitty movies for free online actually do a service for lovers of cinema everywhere. If the box office is terrible, perhaps in time Fox and like minded studios will figure out that their audience will not accept just anything, and that we expect them to respect the franchises that we all hold so near and dear to our hearts. If Wolverine had been good upon my blasphemous free online viewing, I would have gladly seen it again in the theaters as well as recommend it to my friends. Instead I will do my fellow celluloid citizens a favor and advise them to steer clear of this monumental failure of a movie. This is what this website is supposed to be Beaks, a voice for us the fans who pay for these movies, not the lip service of the studios who fuck us in the ass. Shame on you Mr Beaks for your insulting note, shame on you for not at the very least taking these reviews from us pirates in order to empower us to take a stand against these soulless, heartless studios, mostly just shame on you for acting like a complete douche bag. May God have mercy on your soul.
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always get it in the neck. During this recession the people at the top are still living wealthy, healthy lives. Unless there is a fundamental change in the greed in the higher tiers, then the layoffs at the bottom are still going to happen piracy or no piracy.
This isn't conding piracy - theft is theft and it impacts on the industry. The trouble is if the Workprint of Wolverine was good, then it will still make an insane amount of money at the box-office. People still underestimate the critical importance of word of mouth.
Its a fanboy project - the merchandise, boost in the Wolverine franchise, comics, DVD/Blu-Ray sales etc would be insane if the quality of the product was good. It's looking like its average at best.
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... LOL hes Wolverine, not a fuckin werewolf
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:pity:
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...youre a tool beaks.
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I paid to watch it at the theatres, I paid for it on DVD, and I never pirated it. I wouldn't want anyone too. Instead, I spend a good $25 to see it more than once, because it's actually a movie with some patience and some heart. Earlier I watched Be Kind Rewind. Again, I had already seen it at the theater, and again I bought it so I could rewatch it in the comfort of my own home. I spent all that money because it was well directed, well acted, had a lot of heart, and was just generally a good movie.fox, start making good movies, and I gurantee you at least $30 from me for really well made movie you create.
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Comeon geeks - someone needs to start circulating a non-Wolverine torrent labelled as Wolverine to frustrate this. (if Fox aren't already)
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Versus first weekend with a crowd on a giant screen with a sound system.
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...adn they said there were obviously rough edits and very, very temp effects all over the place.
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see creative licences. They want to see their heroes the way they read about them. Doing otherwise is lying and stealing their money.
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And AICN came over all`Holier Than Thou`-very hypocritical if you ask me!
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...bad acting, horrible plot, failure of the source material. no special fx doesnt mean no movie.
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I want this movie to do well, just cause I'm an optimistic sucker that hopes and prays they do Wolverine in Japan for a sequel, and they get someone to do it right.
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Are you going to be able to make a fair judgment about a painting if you only see 1/4 of it?
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And you obviously didn't pay for it, so why the fuck are you complaining?
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...I know, I'm a trouble maker!
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Wolverine versus the Hand and maybe toss in a Silver Samurai cameo. make it a story about Yakuza, and the warrior's code, and his love interest with Yuriko as Lady Deathstrike, and maybe toss in a Mojo cameo when she gets he big claws.
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...you need to get the old blood pressure down. opinions are like assholes, remember? everybody got one. so just take it easy, go pay 25 bux to take your fat girlfriend to see this trainwreck of a movie, and ill be here to tell you i told you so
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Nobody understands him!
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...Stick to capturing cargo ships full of Ukrainian tanks and oil tankers.
Kids, piracy isn't cool, unless its a Gore Verbinski trilogy that seriously disappoints in the last act.
Let's hope they capture these scoundrels and hang them in chains, but not before they sing some corny fuckin' pirate song that will make at least one AICN critic jizz in his pants. -
You talking to me? I'm just laughing my ass off. I promise you will never see me watching Wolverine in the theater. You don't even know me dude, trust me.
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Not when you're fucking with my livelihood. Download a movie for free and bitch about it on the internet? Maybe you ought to concern yourself less with my "fat girlfriend" and seek other forms of entertainment. Hopefully something that meets the maturity level you're trying to project. Opera, maybe? Don't forget this is a movie based on a comic book. It's not Puccini, and it isn't trying to be.
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Asshole of the night.
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Rupert Murdoch and his coke-fueled sycophants just got what they deserve.
I feel bad for Jackman because he put the product through, but this is just deserts for a media empire that is the biggest steaming pile of shit to hit these shores since the Japs attacked us in WW2
These jaded fucktards at fox will continue to profit despite a big leak...but it does not look good when the the crucial fanbase has already seen the movie.
Again, don't mean to disparage Hugh Jackman-the trailers actually looked pretty good-and he should be congratulated for being creative.
He just hooked his horse to the wrong wagon (Fox media whatever).
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will still have Daredevil with Terminator sight and laser eyes.And boy is that some dumb sheeyit.
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...and it failed. end of story
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Yes I am the mug who only buys legitamate DVD of a movie, I don't watch films on the internet, I don't download them either. I am not a Knock off Nigel.
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Deadpool! But why not add a couple of Daredevil and Elektra (played by Jennifer Garner) cameos in there to dumb up the damn thing.
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now had that line been in a yellow square box i would have rolled and gave fox some props
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On Wikipedia. In one of them he's a really evolved form of an actual animal Wolverine, but the other one was actually kind of cool, but Sabretooth was the dad. Who the hell decided to make him a sissy pilgrim boy in Canada?
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When you go to a restaurant, do you run back to the kitchen to bitch about the food before the chef is finished?
Opinions like assholes, huh? More like an asshole with an opinion. -
...but when my eggs taste like shit, i do
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...I want yto see you admit that this movie isn't finished.
I know for a fact that they are still working feverishly on it.
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Invest in a nice televison, and set your time movie clack back about three months, and it's fine.
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the fx are not complete. however, being as i can see tell a shit movie when i see one, it doesnt matter.
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I thought his cannon origin is that he was a child during the Victorian era that accidentally killed someone the first time he popped his claws?
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wade wilson when he was allowed to. I think ill just send him my 8 bucks instead. he earned it. And it looks like when jackman said he really cared about the fans he was refering to his fans and not the comics fans. Please oh please let the finished product be an improvement. Wolverine and Sabertooth had a tender moment together WTF. Why not just make them fuck because that would be just as beleivable. Its akin to having Batman and Joker shake hands and say "ill always be there for you bro".
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I'll tell you for sure, neither is the edit. They've got a good two weeks before it has to go out for processing.
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seriously.A V A T A R. December. Nothing else matters.
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... i take back the fat gf thing, that was my bad, even though you are kind of an asshole, and i know your heart is in a good place by trying to give this movie the benefit of the doubt. thats cool. but im telling you, raw though it is, there is absolutely no redeeming quality to this movie. so please, quit trying to sell me on it, cause it aint gonna work
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I'm going to Wrestlemania 25 on Sunday in Texas (I'm from soCal). I don't care if Randy is supposed to be the "bad guy" If that cocksucking bastard hhh wins I'm fucking rioting. Oh, and fuck the title of this movie. So very fucking insulting title
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Of which we've seen NOTHING. If ever there was a movie that someone could by no mean logically form an opinion about at this point, it is Avatar.
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if anything - it'll rev up the interest in the movie. The people who download it can be divided into two groups: 1) the geeks who'll go to see it anyway ro see what changes has been made, and 2) people who wouldn't have gone to the cinema but wanted to see the movie for free.
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Ok, it's a deal. The Dude abides.
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...It's been 18 mos. and I'm not allowed to turn off my PC until I've seeded it at least five times.
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The Happening.
EVERYONE badmouthed that thing before it came out.
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you flatter me - quite unintended, but now that i read my comment again, i cannot argue with your findings!
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Bunch of cuntz tried to rob me of my hard earned fuckin money. Ive had enough of this shit. I feel lied to and cheated. This is the best thing that can happen for the movie industry, start leaking movies in advance so the public wont be tricked into seeing the shit they slaped together by making a cool trailer. If a movie is leaked and is good it will dominate the box office, just look at taken, gran torino. they leaked and guess fuckin what there raking in tons more money than they ever would have. If something is quality people will pay for it. If your tricking the consumer youll earn their hatred.
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With Huch Jackman as Freddy Krueger and Jack Black as Wolverine!
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Apr 01, 2009 5:18:28 AM CDT
Something this terrible could not have happened to worse SOB's.
by the tao of joe
Fox got what they deserved. After the stink they kicked up about "Watchmen" (who cares if that movie sucked, Fox still acted like rat bastards about it). They're going to be selling this thing in barbershops across the country, $5 a pop. On, and Tom Rothman, I got bad news for you, the comic fans that you don't care about whatsoever? Nearly all of them know how to use the internet. Hahaha. Who perpetrated this crime? The Comedian? Hope that percentage of the gross you guys are skimming of the Watchmen will heal the gaping wound that will be the box-office results for "X-Men Origins: Wolverine." BTW, fanboys, you can kiss that Magneto movie goodbye, as well as the FF and Daredevil reboots. Probably a good thing, though. This is hilarious.
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Considering that the nerds are going to make or break this film, the leak is a bad deal for the FAUX.
The word of mouth from how bad this is will get around and do damage, like with the Hulk leak.
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I'm kinda hoping that Marvel Studios gets back the rights to their characters, but I'm also pretty sure they're going to fuck up pretty bad eventually. They came really, really close to wrecking Incredible Hulk, so they're not perfect.
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ban people for talking about a movie? a MOVIE? really dude?? the fuck is that? its a leak of a shitty movie by a shitty studio! if you are gonna take that kind of hard stance on anything, at least make it worthwile. just the idea of becoming a talkback nazi is bad enough, but the fact that you had to type to US that you were flirting with the idea shows that you are just another fake power hungry nerd really overstepping his bounds. just shut the fuck up, ya know? its not about YOU. *** ANYWAY*** this movie sucked major assage. anytime you have the main star slowly walk away from a giant explosion with that extra cool look on his face, you KNOW you have a shitty movie. it is absolutely horrible.
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You have now brought a lot of attention to a movie which a lot of people (including me) didnt know was available illegally online and in good shape. I don't think a story on this matter was appropriate.
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I found the workprint that leaked for the remake of Halloween to be a lot better than the theatrical release even though both versions weren't good. I'll avoid this workprint because of the lack of effects and also the fact that I don't even really want to see this movie once, let alone twice.
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It just helps to further exploit the fact the movie was leaked. I wouldn't have known otherwise.
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Apr 01, 2009 5:36:44 AM CDT
So how reviews differ from Harry's Star Wars Ep 2 in 2002?
by mister mcclane
Saw via a secret source, and reviewed on this site. So why the high moral ground now? Why can't people post reviews, AOTC wasn't finished either...
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Apr 01, 2009 5:36:47 AM CDT
Since when does AICN doesn't run reviews that stem from workprin
by kaim
Sorry guys, but AICN is in danger of destroying it's reputation with this. Over the years there have been countless reviews from people who had seen some kind of "workprint" - and nobody cared if there was anything "illegal" to it. Didn't Harry himself write a review about one of the new STAR WARS movies, where he described how he saw the film "illegally" in some hotel room, always fearing that some SWAT-team might storm in any minute. And now, all of a sudden, you start to care? Know what I think: there is some huge financial interest involved here (and I don't talk about WOLVERINE'S Box Office here...). The question ist: how much money was on the table, exactly?
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he said he has never read a comicbook. He directed batman and hes never read a comicbook. That speaks volumes about studios. They could give 2 shits about the product they sell as long as they can advertise the fuck out of it. We are to blame, we the public who is fooled time and time again all while the studios are trying less each time. They think we are retarded sheep with money for wool. We need to apply negative reinforcement. Remember when they made new coke and people stopped buying it. Now imagine if we all just said fuck it and kept buying it, then we would all be drinking new coke still.
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This feels more like seizure of evidence in court case against 20th Century Fox rather than movie piracy. THE LIST OF CHARGES: X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) Dragonball Evolution (2009) Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li (2009) The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008) Max Payne (2008) Babylon A.D. (2008) The X Files: I Want to Believe (2008) Space Chimps (2008) Meet Dave (2008) Jumper (2008) AVPR: Aliens vs Predator - Requiem (2007) The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising (2007) Pathfinder (2007) Eragon (2006) My Super Ex-Girlfriend (2006) The Omen (2006) X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) Fantastic Four (2005) Hide and Seek (2005) Elektra (2005) AVP: Alien vs. Predator (2004)
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Harry seeing Attack of the Clones early and posting about it... good. He's a professional and an all-around good person. Now go enjoy the latest from Script Girl.
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these old nerds got a couple lines in to a few dicks at a few studios and completely lose their balls. amazing how a couple free screenings and set visits can make someone sell out so easily. at least get some cold hard cash Harry! and what does Beaks get? LOL@ him saying its bad for business. dude..you ARENT in the business. you post blurbs on the fucking internet. "in the business" this is not. you are a wannabe,the guy who put gel in a security guards hair on the red carpet, a got damn flea bro. ARGH delusions of grandeur PISS ME OFF LIKE NO ONES BUSINESS!
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Apr 01, 2009 5:41:50 AM CDT
IT WAS HIS SLED. THERE I JUST SAVED YOU TWO BOOBLESS HOURS.
by gruemanlives
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OOOOOooooohhhh FOX ;)
Isn;t it funny guys? We bitch and moan about trailers and we always get nothing but "OOOHHHH well just WAIT and SEE it!"... Well guess what? I just SAW it and it was FUCKING DREADFUL! A temp score and a few unfinished FX shots of CGI planes isnt enough to make me hate a movie.
What IS enough is shit acting, bad plot and a general raping of source material. Avoid it guys unless you think 15 mins or reshoots will save an already 2 hour clusterfuck.
FUCK YOU FOX!!!!!
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movies got shit written all over it. Can't see how one would have high hopes for this
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Even more stunning is that I've seen seven of them. What's wrong with me? The notion that this was a VFX intern's nerd-venge for the Watchmen suit is hilarious.
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where's wolverines edge gone? 2 days after his girlfriend croaks and he's joking about in a boxing ring? Will.I.Am can't act, and Deadpools fate is a fucking crime. Download this, DO NOT GIVE FOX YOUR MONEY
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to find it. and harry you're not going to have much luck telling people not to dl a fox film
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I'm in the middle of watching it... and im actually getting jazzed up to see the actual finished print at the cinema.
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A studio blockbuster needs to make three times its original budget.
That profit is then put into more experimental films. Without Titanic, do you really think Fox would have spent $70m on Fight Club?
Personally I'm against piracy. OK, you can argue that it has led to the development of Itunes etc, but then World War led to the mass production of pencillin, didn't make it right.
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All you are doing is advertising that the work print exists.
I had not idea. Saw you article and jumped on a few sites and there it was. Figured you were April fooling us.
I wonder how many additional people have watched the movie because of your article.
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Deadpool's mask is added...fanboys rejoice!!!! Watchmen still fuckin blew!!! Saw it, still better that Spidey 3 aka Tobey Dancing With the Fucking Stars.
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to get more of Beaks' friends fired. Hopefully then he will grow a personality, help them out full time and stop writing pretentious articles! *fingers crossed*
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Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007)
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Karma's a bitch and they had it coming.
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so .... he puts the mask on nods to the camera and is then decapitated droped into a nuclear reactor and has roughly a million tons of concrete droped on him.
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if i didn't know better I'd say there was no real director, only hugh jackman with a camera crew and him yelling "ok, lets do this now"
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is pretty pretentious...and fond of the word derivative
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All we want is life beyond the internetdome eh ?
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Apr 01, 2009 6:44:32 AM CDT
This is OUR version of people sending Harry films for free. He d
by silentbobafett2
This is OUR version of people sending Harry films for free. He don't pay - but he watches them. He slags them off, the company, everything. He even siad this week that FOX don't want him seeing their films but "SOMEONE" sends him films. Well SOMEONE just send us a film... SORRY WE SAW IT BEFORE YOU GUYS! And MR BEAKS your comment about your "friends" lossing jobs is so infuriating! What about everyone loosing jobs around the world right now! What a shame they aren't in cool jobs that can blame the simple pre-release of a SHIT FILM for the reason they lost their jobs. What a great industry that must be.
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...with a talented editor the finished article could be better than X3. Don't like the pre-credit sequence for example.
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So who cares if this piece of crap gets distributed online. I won't be seeing this one, regardless.
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back in 2006. had a meeting, talked about my aspirations. told them a plan for a film franchise. can't remember the guys name, (I seem to have wiped it from memory) basically the guy told me they don't need any new franchise because they have a hundred years of films to re-make and sequelize. I remember laughing in disbelief at what a cock smoker he came accross as. I was genuinely there to talk business and all this guy could do was flex his muscles about how good he was and how secure he'll be without me. needless to say, i learned a lot about the reality of filmmaking that day. The future looks bleak and I'm in agreement with the above poster - karma is a bitch.
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is that some sort of maths thing, like when you differenciate or whatever. Oh and the movies studios might be laying people off because of a little thing called the stock market crash/credit crunch/econopolypse not ummm piracy. Just an opinion. Oh and happy april 1st
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But if the rumors are true that they add Mr Sinister that would tie the movie together beter. There would be a central antagonist because striker didnt do it for me. it made no sense to for striker to make wolverine then say good now kill him and we'll start over with someone else. why not just control wolverine . Thats a pretty big plot hole.
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that was meant to read... what was his name?? can't for the life of me remember. I wonder if he remembers me?
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Just watched the first 20 minutes of this before i HAD to turn it off. Okay, i'm not the target audience for this kind of movie, but seriously - even for a superhero cheapie this is very, very bad. The first laugh out loud moment was when the kid gets pissed off and screams into the overhead camera, then tiptoe runs away after killing daddy. The second was when Liev Schreiber suddenly does an impression of "Cats" during D-Day. The hobbit guy who can make elevators run with THE POWERS OF HIS MIND was also very funny. Everyone involved should be embarrassed for quite some time. Unbelievable what trash passes for entertainment these days.
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Exactly...hahahahaha...So everyone gets what they want. By the way isn't Avatar that fuckin thing on my Xbox Live?
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Apr 01, 2009 7:02:07 AM CDT
maybe it got leaked in order to attempt to track people download
by potatino
oh i like paranoia
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i literally LOL'd during the D-Day scene. So offensive on so many levels hahaha.
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Apr 01, 2009 7:07:14 AM CDT
The temp and unfinished parts had no bearing on the critique of
by cossack_says_die
Im judging the movie on story, plot progression, character development and acting. Generally FX don't weigh too much on a critique. This working copy had everything necessary for it to be judged. If I was to take FX into heavy consideration then I would have been one of those fucktards that liked transformers.
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deadpool to the cast and Ryan reynolds to play him, Hugh jackman was scared Ryan would be the new captain of the mutant movies. So Hughs creative control was to kill off the character, after all you read most of the original script that was bought for the movie online, they changed the end fight to have wolvie and Sabertooth team up instead of fight(just like SpiderMan3 with harry)
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Apr 01, 2009 7:11:32 AM CDT
Remember Moriarty berating some for influx of HULK workprint rev
by badwaldo s revenge
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/15389
Yeah, I don't like piracy, either. There was an anti-piracy ad aired on tv and the only memorable person I remember in that ad was Jim Cameron with a fancy video camera. -
Remember when the Watchmen lawsuit was in full swing, remember BOYCOTT ROTHMAN AND FOX MOVIES, remember DON'T GO SEE WOLVERINE, FUCK FOX? Well, boys and girls, now you CAN fuck with Fox and Rothman. Fuck them if they lose money. If the current econom ic crisis should be teching us anything it's that MONEY IS NOTHING BUT A METHOD OF ENSLAVEMENT. A penny is worth nothing these days, and a hundred times nothing is still nothing, so what's a dollar worth? When are we going to wake up and realize that without money we could still live, work, create, and be kind to one another and grow as a culture, just like Harry fantasized about in his Marley and Me essay. We can achieve the Star Trek ideal IF WE JUST GOT RID OF FUCKING MONEY!
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This is what you get for making X-Men 3 and fucking with the Watchmen Fox. LOL.
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:-/ Erm, so what's the difference from reviewing that and reviewing this film?
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then by the time anyone downloaded the leaked movie it would be june
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It's like when your parents smoke but tell you not to. It's ok for them but not for you.
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Uh... am I banned now? Actually, Vic Tayback was okay by me... he WAS "Mel".
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its different because in 2002 Harry didnt have about 1,000 corporate dicks up his ass and he had what some of call "integrity".
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2 perfect examples are taken and the dark knight. Taken DVD has been available online for months (because it was already out in europe) and its still making tons of money, and correct me if i'm wrong but TDK was both the number one movie at the theatres as well as the number one download for weeks last summerbottom line is you can't stop piracy, but if you make a movie good enough, peoplw will pay to see it either in theatres or on DVD
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is an edit button.
I can't wait for the year 1999 to get here and the future and all its fancy editorial features will be upon us :D wait, what year is it again? -
Oh how the mighty have fallen. In the late 90's and early 00's this was the place to go to find all kinds of illegally leaked spoilers and leaked images. Then Harry sold out. Now the site is a shell of what it once was. Quint started doing reviews. A kid who had never seen a vast library of historic movies but he had seen Jaws. Now we have warnings on AICN about now watching something because of hurting Hollywood business? Aha. I guess the people at AICN finally grew a soul...a decade too late.
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I'm sure soon enough we will have a planty review from someone called Octopuss Prime or something that saw a secret showing in Santa Barbara or something and it won't any spoilers and they loved it and you will too if you don't love the usual comic book movie. I'm sure the f/x were still a little choppy too
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Apr 01, 2009 7:35:13 AM CDT
Consensus: B4 AICN report, # of illegal "seed" minimal...
by badwaldo s revenge
...now it exploded to over 1500 seeders and 15500 leechers on just one within half a day.
Bigwigs at Fox: "Bring me the head of the leaker!"We can only hope Jim Cameron and co. keep very, very tight reins on Avatar. So tight not even the mice's asshole can emit a fart. -
Shouldn't he be banned as mentioned in the article for promoting genocide?
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Apr 01, 2009 7:47:11 AM CDT
This movie was doomed just by the title "X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERIN
by spyguy
A title like that screams "Hey, X-Men fans! We know you're too stupid to realize a movie simply called WOLVERINE features Wolverine, so we're making the title clumsy and unnecessarily stilted. You know, just like the movie itself."
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like the comic was. No need for the x-men bit, people aren't stupid, wolvy is the best known of the mutants out there, everyone will know who he is.
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I would argue that the buzz from people that watched Taken online got many people to go see it.
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And one of the fucks here writing a blow by blow scene by scene "review" of the damn thing once it comes out and you've already suckered the comic con crowd out of their mom's and dad's hard earned money?
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...The film sucks. Its leaked. Now everyone knows it sucks. I paid to see Dark Knight and Watchmen twice at the movies. Once regular with friends, once again on Imax. Imagine if I had seen a shitty quality vresion of the film first? I'd definately have to see it on the big screen. This film is a pile of shit, and no matter how much studio shill sites try to convince everyone otherwise, the truths out.
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Maybe if you weren't a useless fuck who made films worth seeing, your liveliehood wouldn't be in danger. Like I said, I've seen pirated flicks. The ones that suck never get watched again. The ones that rule get not only rewatched on the big screen, but I usually take friends or recommend them to people. Sort of like how I downloaded both Arcade Fire albums. Thats 50 dollars they missed out on from me. But I also went to see them two nights in a row at 80 dollars a ticket. The second night I even paid for a friend to come. So they came out ahead 190 ahead.
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The previews looked dumb (wtf at that stupid sound effect they use when someone bounces off The Blob) and I really hope the person above wasn't serious about Deadpool getting Cyclops powers at the end. I don't even know if I need to download this crap anymore.
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...would be to let Yoko run the site for the day. Crayon and paste style homepage, anyone?
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"Nothing beats watching it in a cinema". Except watching it at home where you actually get value for money. Sorry man, the cinema going experience has been turned to shit. In a day and age with so many entertainment options at my fingertips, the half assed effort put out by the film industry just fails to cut it.
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ok, let's try to move this away from the abusive line. giving any monetary figure to "losses" from piracy is borderline nonsensical as one cannot quantify the figure. if someone downloads or buys a pirate "Wolverine", there is no way that you can prove that individual would in fact have instead given the money over for the original. who hasn't been offered or given a stack of films on DVD-R's that they usually would have no interest in? now, the guys that make / sell the pirates, different debate, as they are trading off someone else's work and efforts. downloading a film or buying a pirate IS NOT the same as stealing a car or shoplifting a disc. from my side i am against pirated films, but i grow tired of the "consumers" of them being lambasted and attacked; the actual problem is those who "release" and sell them.
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...How almost perfect copies of Gran Torino and Taken being on the streets didn't seem to dent their box office. In fact, it seemed to boost them.
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Just terrible. He also had terminator vision at the same time. What the fuck. FOX needs to take a step back and think for one fucking second. If they don't I'm going to kick their fucking ass. Then Im going to be fucking done with them, professionally.
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Fuck the law.
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Yeah, I watched the workprint of Halloween The Remake okay. When I rolled into the cinema, I actually was mildly dissapointed by the finished flick.
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I'm a slut for the torrents.
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Way to go to "stop piracy".
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But we wouldn't have a sequel then, would we?
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nogh said
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Apr 01, 2009 8:27:07 AM CDT
Because the only way you're seeing it right now is through illeg
by fooku
Unless your name is Harry Knowles right?
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I wouldn't, since everything I've read about this movie from the start has sounded bad. Hopefully, the more this bombs, the greater the chance of X-Men rights reverting back to Marvel.
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Apr 01, 2009 8:27:47 AM CDT
I wasn't aware that WOLVERINE was on BitTorrent until now
by curious jorge
Thx for the tip!
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What are some sites to grab the workprints from?
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seed this fucker into the ground!! Fox tried to derail a shitty comic movie all for money. seed this thing like you were growing pot.
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Apr 01, 2009 8:32:02 AM CDT
I am a Pirate and I have a Pigeon named Pervis McGillicutty
by hatespeech
""I don't want to encourage piracy at a time when the studios are laying off employees in droves."" - soooo.. if studios were not laying off employees in droves you WOULD ENCOURAGE PIRACY?!! Nice..
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Man it blew Jar Jar Binks' mother...Can't wait for it to be another Serenity, by the way was that ever released at the box office???
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Let's face it, it had to be someone on the inside, why not the people in charge. My guess is that this leak will put a very minor dent in the overall box office take, and the film was already doomed to be a failure (massive last minute re-shoots anyone??? When is that ever a good sign). Now the Fox big wigs can claim that it was piracy that made the film a failure, not the fact that the film is more than likely a piece of crap. This is coming from someone that wouldn't watch this film if they were handed a prisitine copy signed by Hugh Jackman's pectoral muscles. So get ready folks, the film will underwelm at the box office, the internet will be blamed, and the idiot suits won't realize that if the film was good, people would actually go see it. Get ready for more "you should feel guilty" even if you don't watch pirated movies commercials before your next $20 dollar a ticket visit to the local cinema chain.
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If the area in which you live is economically depressed and all the jobs suck ass, move to another area where the outlook is better! I agree that the corporate greedheads have screwed us all over with their funny paper games and outsourcing friggin' every industry and believe it will soon lead to Americans emigrating en masse to other countries that actually have jobs.
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FUCK FOX. SEE HOW SHIT ALWAYS COMES BACK AROUND. I REALLY WANTED TO LIKE THIS MOVIE AND WAS WILING TO PAY TO SEE IT, BUT THANK THAT DUDE JESUS CHRIST I DIDNT. WHAT SHIT THIS MOVIE BE.
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Piracy is not a problem per say - we all watch shit for free. thru friends, tv, etc. the problem is these fuckers who take a pirated film and sell it. some make a pretty decent trade. There is a couple west of me who were able to build an extension onto their house thru their pirating business. those types need to go to prison - thru their sheer arogance alone.
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Piracy is a fact of life. It is unstoppable. The film industry, like the music and software industries before it, need to accept it, perhaps even embrace it. And I do seriously wonder, if Fox had managed to keep Watchmen from the light of day, if this post would exist.
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So it's 1987 in an alternate reality where computer technology is advanced enough to where Ishtar leaks onto the internet. I guess it doesn't go on to become the massive box office success that it was right???
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The version that leaked has so many people riled up, but if you use google to search for screenshots you can see that it is NOT the final release. The SFX are looking like 1920s film homages (drawn onto print) and the score isn't the real one.
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I really don't believe piracy has cost anyone their job. The FANBOIS will go out and see it, buy the DVD, either way. I would hope the studio would try paying the actors, say 10 million instead of the 20 million per picture instead of letting Hank the boom operator go. I could be wrong but I don't see a shortage of people lining up to help make these movies. I think there is another problem because it isn't the stream of cash coming into the studios. If the studio is holding out paying "the common man" when they are making so much and paying actors such inflated rates then I say blame them. Not some kid who buys every XMan comic, every DVD, every lunch pail, and sees the movie 2x with his buddies. PIRACY??? Try greed.
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WGA!!!!!
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I found it. Downloading now. on another note, remember when AICN wasn't a bunch of studio whores. Listen to how they phrase how they're going to 'handle' all the talkbackers. Should they be banned, should they be blocked. What a bunch of corporate whores...
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Make a Wolverine movie 1/10th as good as the Dark Knight and just watch people pay for tickets instead of churning out crap like the first 3 x-men movies. People don't pay for movies like that at all... :o|
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Apr 01, 2009 8:55:19 AM CDT
I normally don't understand why people download cams
by hawaiian organ donor
Or workprints. I'm a movie perfectionist so even mediocre movies deserve a proper viewing with great sound and picture, even if I end up turning it off after 15 minutes because the film is unwatchable.In this case though, I condone every man, woman and child downloading Wolverine. Twice.Fox needs to join the Big Three automakers on the chopping block. Like Ford and GM, Fox has spent years pumping out garbage products and acts like an indignant douche when nobody shows up to watch their shit.This studio gave us Max Payne, The Day The Earth Stood Still and Babylon A.D. within a four month window. Three of the worst movies ever made in the same season.And early reviews would at least BE reviews, something this site seems to have forgotten about.
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Apr 01, 2009 8:55:47 AM CDT
You'd think security would be tighter than a choirboy's asshole
by juansanchez
Seriously - how does this happen?
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There was a movie in the 80s that had a bit about "video pirates" that dubbed VHS. When the FBI warning came on the Captain cried "OOOHHHHH I AM SOOOOOOOO SCARED" and the crew went "GRRRRAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAA" and laughed. Good Times.
But really, I was talking to a guy about AICN and we agree, that most of the guys running the site are just cunts. "let me tell you about the Hooker that Mory hooked up with in LA" Stories and forgetting what made this site cool, putting the cool in aint it cool.....YOU.
The Talkbackers, the professional, the first trolls, the spoilers, the spammers, the flamers, without you this site aint shit news. -
Apr 01, 2009 8:58:07 AM CDT
This is probably one of the most interesting debates I've seen o
by silentbobafett2
Mr Beaks and the AICN crew - ever owned/brought/listened to a BOOTLEG? I remember how cool it was to have them. Thats just piracy but with a cooler name. Ever tape a film of TV and keep it? Ever borrow a film of someone and watch it? Ever receive a screener through the post and see it without buying it after? Ever go to see a sneak preview? Ever been shown a workprint?
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I wonder how many movies Harry taped off of the tv growing up. I am sure now that he and his site are so responsible, he went back and paid all the studios for his copyright violations. Oh and I am sure he disposed of all of the offending VHS tapes.
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every other corporation on earth. Every one is now run on the basis of "How do we maximize profits THIS year?" There is no forward vision, there is no concern for making products or providing services that people will flock to. It's just about expending the least effort and money possible to make the most profit possible. Long-term vision is apparently obsolete. On the other hand, killing the goose that lays the golden eggs has never been more popular.
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You don't want people watching bootleg copies of his films.
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Great film with great sketches.
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I am as Axl Rose once described, I'm a "dowloading motherfucker"!
The reason for this, is simple. I am sick and tired of getting ripped off buying shit, constantly, with albums and movies that are utter shite, but I have little to no way of knowing for sure, unless I GET the film or album off the net, first.
I downloaded the Chinese Democracy leaks. I loved them. Then I went and bought the CD of Chinese Democracy the very first day it was released. I loved it too.
I have been to thousands of films and paid for every single one of them. I have also reached the point where I am entirely fed up of paying to see bad films, that I hold hope for.
Bad films I want to see, cause I take perverse delight in obviously bad filmmaking, will continue to attract my business.
So the "suits", and I include the operators of this site in that, can blow me, if they don't like this.
I'm downloading as I type this and "trying before I buy" from now on. For all movies and albums.
My bandwidth is enormous and costs the same per month as an album and couple of paid for movies...
There is not one goddamned thing you pricks can do about it, except make decent movies.
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Who will win Battle For The Cowl? Geeks unite...
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It's "per se" goddammit, not "per say"! Uneducated idiots shouldn't use fancy words they can't even translate.
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Thanks AICN, now I don't have to take my 12 year old to this turd, buy tickets for something else, and sneak in. Well, maybe I will anyway to compare the finished film to the workprint. I bet Hugh Jackman is one pissed off Aussie today.
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The material with the characters as kids was compelling, the parts of the film where they were adults were terrible. The adults in that film seemed better suited for a bad daytime soap, not an "award" winning film.
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Apr 01, 2009 9:13:37 AM CDT
Isn't this the site that told us to boycott FOX before? Hmmm
by silentbobafett2
And didn't they suggest a boycott of MIRAMAX? MR BEAKS - you moral master - how would those boycotts have helped your friends?
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I can't find it! Where is it?
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Because if it were to, Chritian Bale will come to your house and trash your lights.
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Guy goes out of his way to email this site so what do fanboys do...stab him right in the back. Nice, I'm still putting my money down. Anyone read that McG has already changed the ending to T4:The Dark Knight cause of the leaks?
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Hey go to www.iwanttodownloadilleagalshitandgoeztojailooohhhnoezz.jimmy
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It's the two-faces-ness of Beaks. The way he "had a go" at us before we even knew it was available, let alone downloading it (which I'm NOT going to), was disgusting. Plus this has turned into a debate over how much piracy damages the industry like Beaks and his coporate pals tell us it does. Alot of us, including me, believe the impact is very minimal. Taken, Dark Knight, Gran Torino to name only three were all out at time of release, if not ages before, but it didn't hurt their box office. People get all high and mighty about piracy but it's a fear of technology. Taping off of TV, bootlegs, borrowing films from friends - it's all the same thing you just didn't use a computer for it.
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judging by how this movie looks boycotting it will be pretty easy.. doubt it'll even be worth a download. sad. condolences to Jackman, bigger and better roles will head his way.
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Please spare us the usual economic suffrage BS, because it's common knowledge that when things are bad in the US, movies usually experience higher turnouts and more profits. I have downloaded movies before and see no harm in it. If the movie sucks, I saved myself some hard earned cash, if it's good then it's worth a movie ticket. Who defends us when a movie is garbage? I think movies should be set up like most games, give us a demo to sample the movie. We all know that trailers are rarely enough to tell us if a movie is shit.
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Apr 01, 2009 9:36:49 AM CDT
Does anyone see a problem with dloading it AND going to see it o
by beniffer
Why don't the studios simu-release a title online and in theatre at the same time and see what makes better revenue?
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Apr 01, 2009 9:37:41 AM CDT
WTF, im only 5 min in and this is the corniest shit i've ever se
by mike_d
thanks fox
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...Maybe they shouldn't leak work prints to the internet and FOX wouldn't have to fire them. I would like to see what the correlation between a leaked workprint and someone being fired is. I mean, we KNOW what it is, and thats lazy pieces of shit constantly putting out crap films and flooding the market before word of mouth can kick in. Sadly, these leaks allow word of mouth to spread. Well, sadly if you are making a giant steaming pile of shit like Wolverine. Not so sad if you are Clint Eastwood, because then the word of mouth gets people into the cinema. See how that works?
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That you have posted reviews of movies that have come from these very same piracy sites you damn right now. That, or it's just amazing coincidence. Multiple times. Fact is, if the movie is good I'll still go to the theatre to experience it. Not to mention I've found many movies like Gabriel out of Australia I never would have heard about - or watched - without them. If Hollywood wants to bitch about firing people, blame the fact they are regurgitating the same sloppy shit over and over and looking dumbfounded when noone wants to Pony up. If the movies good, the crowd will be there always.
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In downloading films...especially FOX films.
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damage than any North American piracy ever will. Chinese piracy is another story, considering how they treat copyright law in that country (and how many more people live in said country).
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Apr 01, 2009 9:39:58 AM CDT
Piracy is justified until the studios offer money-back refunds
by spyguy
As someone pointed out earier, you can't get a refund for a bad movie as easily as you can get no charge for a bad meal at a restaurant. Why do you think people read movie reviews? To help decide if a movie is worth their money. Something tells me the movies will get a hell of a lot better if the studios had to back it up with a money-back guarantee.
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Apr 01, 2009 9:40:06 AM CDT
Still have no desire to see this even with workprint!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Didn't know one was out there and still care less!
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and "busty teen gets spanked hardcore on sofa" came back as a result. Needless to say that's the vid I'm downloading now.
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I don't know how to feel right now. I'm stricken that Beaks, if it was easy to do, banned anyone who posted a reaction to the pirated copy. The only thing that stopped him was that it would have been a "moderating nightmare." Wow. I just don't know what to say other then the obligatory go fuck yourself. Other then that I am speechless.
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This movie sucks. Fox leaks a print, and now they can blame the shitty box office on piracy and not putting out a sub-par wannabee origin story of Wolverine and His Amazing Friends vs Mutano, the Mutant Supreme! Bam, conspiracy theory for the day done.
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I got something like that too....man, porn really is EVERYWHERE these days...
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build a bridge, put up a toll and then call someone who gives a shit
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I'm with yah, I understand the point, I feel bad for Jackman, Iwant the guy to succeed, I wanted this to be a good movie and now this is all just a big fucking mess.
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Considering western movie going audiences get to kick back and enjoy the fruits of chinese slave labour, and a lot of chinese people couldn't afford to watch the flicks even if they wanted to, the piracy there doesn't mean much. Head on over the South Korea. Relatively good wages, they certainly can afford to sustain their own exellent industry. Interestingly enough, you can go into some net cafes there, (or if your a student in Sydney, some Korean cafes here) and pay 50 bucks and load your portable harddrive up off of their databases of pirated movies, anime and music. Look, I rent a shitload of movies. I'd happily pay to use an itunes like service to download movies whenever I want. Except for the odd tentpole IMAX release, they have fucked the cinema going experience up so much with greed and stupidity that its not really enjoyable anymore. Get with the fucking times, and start releasing your movies straight to download, and charge less. Ohmygod, you might have to pay your grossly over paid stars and executives less. Boo fucking hoo. If the bottom feeders of the industry are losing their jobs, then they can blame the goddamn greedy assholes who are running the system into the ground.
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I did locate a print on ZSHARE. Lots of the links are already taken down at Rapidshare and Megaupload. But, saddly, this isnt a joke. It really did leak. Now I have to sit through the damn thing, gay ass "bone claws" and all. What a way to spend April 1st!
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...To beaks in regards to movie piracy.
[10:52] -Moriarty- It's taken me almost 25 hours to download SPIRITED AWAY.
[10:52] -Moriarty- BUT I AM WITHIN FIVE MINUTES!!
[10:52] -Moriarty- IT WILL BE MINE!!
[10:52] -Moriarty- This is the longest any film has ever taken.
[10:53] -Moriarty- Because I am sick and fucking tired of waiting for Disney to stop boning American Miyazaki fans.
[10:53] -Moriarty- I can't wait.
Don't you feel for all those poor Japanese animators (and the guys who sweep the animation house floor)? Being put out of work by these bad, bad men? -
this post is designed for us to demolish fox and download the bootleg.. He basically just notified us of the existence of a bootleg copy by "declaring" he is against such a thing.... Genius....down with fox!
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At least someone knows how to make a great movie!! Fuck you Fox~!!!!
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I would like to see your black box response to people questioning your flirtation with the idea of banning anyone who talks about a movie. Seriously man, how far is fox's cock up your date? are you paralized with your head pointed to the sky - the cock tip visible poking out your mouth with you saying in a muffled voice "take it out just a little please" what gives man? is that really the direction you want this site going? banning people for talking about upcoming films? whats even more damning is that you must have seen the download yourself and then noted how shit it was. only to come running to Harry "Harry, the film is shit, the jig is up - no longer can we give ratner hell - what do we do - the word will spread this film is bad. we must quickly post a headline about this film so we can sort of take responcibility and then, hey - we can ban all those fuckers we always wanted to. lets just say "don't talk about the film or we'll ban you" to which harry replies "Wolverine?"
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Fox deserves it. For crap movies and what they did to Deadpool (or Cyclopool or Termipool or whatever the hell they turned him into). So, pirate away me hearties yo ho!!
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on pirated movies. It doesn't make sense especially on a movie they've been so ready to bash (justifiably sp) as the fox helmed, stinking from a mile away movie known as Wolverine.
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Wanting to see the difference between the work in progress print and the real movie. If I end up liking the finished print, I may actually grab the workprint, afterwards, and see the differences. I aint' ashamed to say I did that with HALLOWEEN redux, and frankly, the work print was better, although I liked both.
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AND contribute to the downfall of Fox's shitty X-Men franchise? SWEET...off to find that torrent!
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...As evidence by Moriartys need to see Spirited Away RIGHT NOW! and Harry's delight in watching stolen workprints, I'm guessing Beaks is/was alone on his anti piracy crusade.
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Normally I could give 2 flying fucks about DannyBonaDuces_DickSauce or his lame ass opinion's but today sir....you've won the round. Your still a piece of shit though, in other AintItCorporateNews................
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...does that mean it will kill this shitty website as well?
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AICN embedded/linked to a leak of the Watchmen opening credits. Its interesting because I just read that people doubt an FX house could have done it, because they only get watermarked versions etc etc. Yet the Watchmen credits were clean, if I remember correctly.
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Is worth ANY geekdom must read article! He was in Star Trek Original Series as a gangster, after all!!! VIC FUCKIN' TAYBACK!!!!
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Apr 01, 2009 10:07:21 AM CDT
Let me create a talkback for a titled BOOTLEG WOLVERINE
by t 1000 xp professional
DO NOT enter if you don't want to hear negative things about this movie. DO NOT come in if you do not want to know the truth. DO NOT read if you DO want to waste your money.... I love AICN ;)
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Don't get your panties in a knicker or whatever the expression is, we are united in our shared hatred of the worst hack this site has ever seen - the pretentious fuckwit called Beaks. I must say i am pleased that finally more than just a few people realize what an idiot that guy is. I've been saying it since his "glorious return" and got banned for it.
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I liken the anti-piracy company line "but, but the common man working in the movie industry will lose his job if you pirate a movie!" to the crazy "if you smoke a joint, you're supporting the terrorists" bullshit they tried to sell us 6 or 7 years ago. They're both 1.) not provable and 2.)not true. Instead of thinking of piracy as a competing buisness model (which it is), the studios try to threaten people with lawsuits or play on their sympathies. "We know that 90% precent of our products are crap, and we know that the places to view our product are unpleasent, but please go to a shitty expensive movie theater with overpriced snacks where we refuse to hire ushers or excercise any control over the obnoxious theater-goers who might make this an unpleasent experience for you so we can afford to pay Joe The Gaffer. Because everytime you pirate a movie, you're stealing a dollar from Joe the Gaffer's paycheck so he can't afford to feed his 9 kids." Sounds like bullshit, doesn't it?
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...the AMAZING CGI work done in creating a virtual performance by Vic Tayback playing Wolverine's gruff-but-lovable uncle, BadgerMan. Gotta admit, I DID NOT see that comin'!
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When does Spock eats Kirk's brains? And do they save the Cheerleader?
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No quality control (read: shitty kids who talk and text through movies; if you hired ushers--FUCKING USE THEM) and the fact that going to see a movie costs well over 10 dollars for JUST a ticket. I went to a movie about two months ago and for me to take myself and enjoy a drink and a popcorn cost 27 dollars! 27 fucking dollars!!! I live in freakin' Cincinnati, OH. This isn't New York and there's no reason it should cost me that much to go enjoy a movie. That's why the DVD business does well, I can buy a DVD for 15, and get a box of popcorn and a case of soda for LESS than 27 dollars...and I don't have to put up with some disrespectful wanna be gangstas mixed in with those Guitar Hero Hero kids. JUST BECAUSE YOU PLAY GUITAR HERO DOESNT MEAN YOURE A MUSICIAN EITHER!
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...why his review of Attack of the Clones was ok to do, but for any of us to download the wolvy workprint is 'wrong'.
I've skimmed through the film, feels pretty meh tbh. I don't think an extra 15 minutes of deadpool would really solve that. -
http://tinyurl.com/d2c6hf
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"When I first met Harry Knowles... the very first time... we hooked up because I was looking for a way to get something onto the Internet for other fans to enjoy. It was something I wasn't supposed to have. It came from someone's office who had no idea I had it. I was told by someone online to try Harry Knowles. I got in touch with him in Texas. He hooked me up with a guy in Australia. Why? To circumnavigate US copyright law. That's why.
Hello, kettle? It's the pot. I'm black." - Moriarty. Bugger me, I had no idea Moriarty was a brother. -
Brian Michael Bendis' says its because this site is studio paid and bought for. Considering the two main driving forces of this site for so long both loved a bit of the old boot and legging, I'm guessing its because they don't want their access cut off to press screenings and shit like that. Fair enough. Harry Gotta Eat (in moderation).
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Lame.
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not shocking some angry geek hit fox back
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Harry NEVER responds when being called out. Harry Knowles is and always has been a chicken shit.
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I didn't know there was a leaked copy to find! ;) Um, but, yeah, it's bad, just horrible...just horrible.
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it's terrible.
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Bring back vertical integration. That way the studios own the big first run theaters, and maybe the ticket prices/vending prices would come down.
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My god, that guy is gonna be in a world of pain. Amazing.
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Apr 01, 2009 10:29:46 AM CDT
"Because the only way you're seeing it right now is through ille
by epitone
Ahem. If someone attends a super-secret advance screening, signs a non-disclosure agreement, and then emails you a review, THAT'S ALSO ILLEGAL. For crying out loud, this site never would have gotten off the ground in the first place if it hadn't been for all manner of illegal activities. Isn't AICN already banned from anything relating to Fox? How much more trouble can you guys get in at this point?
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really stupid philosophy.
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Can that guy just be "let go" off the site after this? Pretty please? Just slowly phase him out, not making a big deal about it? Come on Harry!
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Would be awesome.
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... if it wasn't for this story. Way to go.
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Potentially awesomer.
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The movie will sukz0rs.
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This movie looks horrible. Wouldnt see it either way.
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I know you people think he was. But he was a man! He had flaws like anybody else. Don't put him on a pedestal!
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OH THOSE POOR STUDIOS!!
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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Beaks hasnt said a word since he knows the majority of people are gonna bitch him out for his banning free speech comments. Harry aint saying shit either since he knows hes a fucking hypocrite right now. This site is a bunch of bullshit and both of these men can go fuck themselves.
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Watch out, man. You'd be banned by Beaks in no time if it wasn't such a moderating nightmare.
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Didn't even know it had leaked. And banning people that discuss it? Perhaps you should heed your own advice and ban yourselves for discussing it in this article?
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You were all thinking it, I had the guts to say it.
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yellowbeard!
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yellobeard was funny tho
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Ask Alice!
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and was thinking about aicn how will handle it.ofcourse it did the right thing.
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Why is it automatically the "honorable" thing not watching it online? I certainly wasn't going to pay for this turkey in the theater. I'm flat out fucking sick of studios bastardizing comic books (Thats Joe Quesadas job) and this is one of the biggest offenders of all time. It's a fair question Beaks, what if a film DESERVES to fail?
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there are worse things that could happen than being banned from this site. I like coming here to read news but the actual people that run this site are a bunch of jackasses.
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We all know how much of a mad-on AICN has for FOX, so my question is this: Could this have been an experiment in reverse-pschology from AICN? "please, please, please, whatever you do, don't send us reviews for Wolverine based on the leaked workprint that's on bittorrent and that you didn't even know about until just now because I just told you." I know then Beaks said, "blah blah blah banning people who talk about it blah blah blah some of my best frinds lost jobs because of piracy blah blah blah.." but I can't help but think that this was a calculated move to tell as many people as possible about this in order to screw with Fox while at the same time saying to Fox "But we told people NOT to watch it!" Maybe I'm seeing wheels within wheels when there's just a dumbass who, if he just shut his gob, wouldn't have accidently let thousands upon thousands of people in on the bootlegged Wolverine worprint. Thoughts?
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I know, but is that really germane to the discussion, as a pretentious ass like Beaks would say?
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An attempt by AICN to get people to spread the torrents. Do you really think AICN is that stupid, to say "don't send us reviews of the leaked Wolverine workprint!" thereby telling everyone about it?? If they wanted to keep this in the dark, they wouldn't have said anything about it, and just deleted all reviews that were sent it.
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hahahahahaha.
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sloppy!
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Nipples on Batman
Flames on Optimus
Nuked the Fridge
Trashed your Lights
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...Beaks or Moriarty post one of these stories about how it's bad to see shit in advance or bad to post spoilers do they never actually address the fact that their entire lives are based around this very kind of shit no matter how many people call them on it? Oh yeah because most of the guys who work for this site are douchebags with Beaks easily being the biggest douche of them all.I get so tired of reading these assholes asking for scripts and then reading said scripts and then telling us about the time they read said script, but then harping on about how we should avoid spoilers because it's apparently for our own good.Stop being holier than thou assholes and I'll stop pointing out that Beaks is a fucking cock.
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Since Beaks is using the power of attraction and actually means AICN WANTS YOUR REVIEWS... Good fucking golly does this movie suck! The opening credits were the best part of the flick. The chick in this is awful, Gambit is awful, Dominic Monaghan is completely wasted, Blob is just a human guy who eats a lot, and Ryan Reynolds ought to fire his agent after forcing him at gunpoint to skullfuck Rothman because they fucking DESTROYED Deadpool. Easily the best as-of-yet unfilmed X-character, with serious potential, and they turn him into some hack version of Mimic? And remove his mouth? HE'S THE FUCKING MERC WITH A MOUTH!!!! And the "after the credits" endings? A fanboy could have done better. Fanboys could have made this whole damn movie better! I suddenly understand why, in that promo shot, all of the actors are looking down at the ground while Jackman looks at the camera. They are embarrassed to be in this joke of a movie. SOOOO glad I won't be paying to see this.
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it just doesn't make any sense. they've taken the back story of the 3 films and convoluted it all into something that is just a massive big mess.
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DEADPOOL doesnt have a mouth in the movie?
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Apr 01, 2009 11:44:07 AM CDT
what the fuck, removed deadpool's mouth? WWHHAA AH AHAAHAHAH
by turketron
I say, in the immortal words of Stone Cold Steve Austin, "WHAT!?"
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This is bad news for everyone in the industry me included. Bad economy and now this. Don't get me wrong, if it sucks when I see it then fine, it still will suck, but to leak a movie a full month before it's release with no FX and no re-shoots inserted to make it better is horrible. Hope they get the fucker and hit him hard to scare others.
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It's really great fun. Scroll this monstrous talkback and pick out the comments and users you think are Fox damage control lackeys posting comments such as, "Watching it on your computer versus first weekend with a crowd on a giant screen with a sound system. No comparison." & "Oh, and I know someone that watched it and they said there were obviously rough edits and very, very temp effects all over the place. Doesn't seem like a very fair way to pass judgement on it if you ask me." Get your ballots in early because there is a very good chance that with all of the backlash this early in the game, Harry may give Beaks the OK to start banning all of us and perhaps even just pull this story all together. Have fun, kids!
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Hugh Jackman did, so after the major bsshing and consequent fail, he can finally stop playing Wolverine...
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I want to dl this shitty movie just to stick it to Rothman's bitch ass!
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It's par for the course to run reactions based on test screenings - even if the people running them ask the audience not to leak anything (which they usually do). So if there's a test screening before a press screening for Wolverine you won't run anything based on that? Does this "press screening only" rule only apply to Wolverine or to all future movies?
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Indeed.
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Please leak a workprint of Avatar online ASAP. Cheers.
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I could care less. Xmen 3 sucked huge donkey dick and I have a feeling this will be no differnet. But, hell, I might be wrong. Could be cool. But it might suck. I don't care.
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Even before the Workprint got leaked (not downloaded it btw) but thanks to everyone out there who have seen it and warned others away from wasting money on this clusterfuck of a movie.Fox get no sympathy from me at all and as for the lower minions working for them they will be better off unemployed with starving children than in the service of such a corrupt/evil corporation.As for the bigwigs maybe if they had actually treated the Director better and maybe if the star of this POS with money invested in the movie had the balls to stick up for said Director a little more we might have got a half decent flickRothman you fuckwit hows your day going so far?
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"This is bad news for everyone in the industry me included. Bad economy and now this. Don't get me wrong, if it sucks when I see it then fine, it still will suck, but to leak a movie a full month before it's release with no FX and no re-shoots inserted to make it better is horrible. Hope they get the fucker and hit him hard to scare others."
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You don't want to comment on it, yet here's a big article with over 400 hits. Makes sense...
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You said it. People told FOX if this would happen if Watchmen was interfered with. I wont see FOX's Dawsons Creek version of Wolverine anyway. Movie looks really cheap especially the trailers. After fucking up 3 times its too late to pretend they give a damn about this franchise.
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for wolverine. i didnt want to see this, after the bad reports form the sets, and the fox logo that comes up before the film, but having seen it (wait, no i didnt), i cant wait to see it in theathers, and possibly on imax. it was bad ass, and hands down the best x-men movie i've seen(erm, no i didnt). shame about deadpool and all that, but otherwise, wow. i think the problem with the showbiz industry is content, and not pirates. do you know who is downloading these films and NOT going to the movies? people who are broke as a joke and couldnt afford to see it anyway. i dropped nearly $70 on the 3d version of Monsters vs Aliens on the IMAX experience, got a decent TS copy of it(erm, no i didnt) and cant wait to own it on blu-ray, right along side my other movies. when paul blart makes crazy figures fatter than kevin james waistline, and the box office overall is UP this year, then i just dont buy this crap about the "woe is me" take on the industry. its more like inflated paychecks that need to be scaled back. how about hollywood hire less PA's to grab latte's, and just sip on a regular cup o joe they get themselves. also, i dont see the difference between this leaked workprint, and the early screeners that you clowns illegally post up here in the first place. "you are the first people to see this" / "some of the effects aren't finished yet" / "n.d.a. blah blah blah / the people who downloaded this paid the EXACT same amount that those people did to enter the screening. and its a shame you guys arent at least talking about what they did right on this film after all the naysayers and gloom and doomers. honestly this isnt gonna hurt the b.o. the poor were never gonna make it out on may 1st, but i assure you everyone who was even on the fence on this film would go see the completed film, and just for the simple reason that it was a hell of a lot more than just a couple of unfinished effects. (or was it? i'm not sure i didnt download it, that would be wrong)
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Nicely done guys why didn't you just write, EVERYONE POST HERE!!!!
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Apr 01, 2009 12:11:13 PM CDT
I LOVE HOW YOU HOTLINK TO IT..YOU FUCKING TOOL
by nobody_touches_buddy_revell
Jesus Christ this is the most ridiculous shit this site has ever pulled.
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Leaked the Movie ? LEAKED THE MOTHERFUCKING MOVIE ?!!!!?? FUCKIN AMATEURS !!!! You're all like Dah,dah,dah,dah!
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You work for Fox right?
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of course by brilliant, i mean much better than the others in the x-men franchise. definitely worth watching. probably go to see it in the cinema too.
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At least some of us can remember what it was like to actually anticipate a movie, any movie and what going to movies used to be like before everyone hated it. Now people want to watch incomplete work on 3 inch screens and laptops and attempt poor Maslin impressions about everything under the sun from inception to release via social networking. It's far more insufferable than any bad movie could ever be.
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Some movie experts...
You can't judge a movie by the workprint?
Bad acting is bad acting, out of focus shot is out of focus shot, retarded script is retarded script...
Do you know how many decisions are made by watching dailies?
If you can't spot something fucked up about a movie, anything, from a workprint...then that explains the good reviews for crappy flicks.
I used to watch movies on old scratched up Betamax(for the youngsters,look it up..)tapes, didn't make The Thing any worse.
But The Bat People was then and is still a shit movie, even in HD.
No re-cutting, color correction nor re-shoots will save a stupid concept.
Now I'm gonna watch the Wolverine print in nice old fucked up o' vision....
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I WINK got ya WINK.
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In this day and age of technology and whatnot, how the hell you can wave your hands in the air shouting 'unfair' when a film leaks online? To compare the film industry to the music industry - the latest Pet Shop Boys album was locked down tight; no preview copies were sent out, any playbacks were in tightly monitored situations. I have no idea how much Wolverine cost, but I'm guessing upwards of $80 million, so letting 'work prints' float about is retarded. It's perfectly acceptable for AICN to print reviews of workprint screenings providing they come from the right people apparently, but when a workprint turns up online and the masses get their fourpenneth on whether it's a shitty flick or not, that's not OK? You were happy to roll with Harry's ep 2 review because it suited you. This doesn't suit you so it's boo-hoo 'piracy and the internet is killing the movie world' - no, rubbish films, endless remakes and generally expecting the populace to bend over and take it is what is killing movies. Every single person writing for AICN is a hypocrite if you don't pick the best bits of the most coherent reviews of the screener and put something together. The game has changed and it ain't cool to stick your heads in the sand.
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"Then steal his hat. Then go to the toilet in his hat. Then send his hat to his widow. Then steal his hat again. Piracy. It's a crime." This whole thread all I can think of is that parody from The IT Crowd and that guy, pants around his ankles, crapping into a dead cop's hat. That and the stupid techno music that plays during these PSAs that I have to sit through whenever I steal a movie from the internet.
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Is what a FAR more cynical person than myself would think. But not me. No,no,no,no,no. No.
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"The Merc With a Mouth...with No Mouth." Way to go, Fox.
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and was likely a huge cause of the horrible box office.
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And most importantly it wasn't very good.
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No, the first Hulk tanked because it wasn't very good. Unfortunately, as it was leaked, they couldn't keep a lid on it. It's opening weekend wasn't bad, but it dropped off bloody quickly on word of mouth. Because it wasn't very good, not because everyone was downloading it instead.
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Nope in fact HK is now producing more movies than ever thanks to piracy. And look at mainland China which has a huge level of piracy and how they're not poised to overtake Hollywood as the number one producer of filmed entertainment, unlike India with it's less pirate friendly culture which is currently struggling. Guys this is pretty clear cut! Anyway I'm heading back to my burner all my Craigslist stuff is sold out and I need a new set of rims for my escalade.
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with Deadpool in order to see how they have treated him.
yes its true,he has no mouth,he has those claws in his arms,he looks a lot like BARAKA from Mortal Kombat and he has the ability to duplicate the powers from other mutants,like mimic or rogue from the xmen comics.
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I think the fact that the first Hulk movie sucked a family sized bag of dicks had more to do with the horrible box office than any internet leak.
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by the end, it absolutely fucking sucks. and he dies. decapitated dies. shooting lazers. out of his eyes. and did they kill cable? WTF is with the cameo at the end?
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that's what the film was
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Not good one.
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Shia Labeouf is Deadpool and Will Smith is Cable...take that Fanboys! Shonuff Samuel L.Jackson is Longshot!!!!
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Those of you justifying piracy can go choke on your dad’s hairy cock and die because seriously, there is no justification and despite what supreme fucktards like Danny Glover’s Dickhead write, studios lose plenty of revenue to piracy, especially when the quality of the film is good and can be sold for 5 bucks a pop at a swap meet or downloaded for free online. Reading some of you shit squirts talk about how you and your douchebag friends don’t have a problem with it doesn’t validate the theft but rather illuminates just what a bunch of narrow, selfish asshats all of your motherfuckers actually are. If the film is that bad, why the fuck are you yeasty twats even watching it? Answer: Because you are fucking hypocrites, losers and generally soulless little bitches who have a ridiculously overblown sense of entitlement. When shit doesn’t go your way or you can formulate some sort of pedantic, silly logic for immoral behavior, you then take whatever the fuck you want and then claim the crime is victimless.
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I just do it. You don't like it? That's tough shit.
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a movie early hurts its box office. that thing drops 6 months before it screens. and regarding medicinaluser, lawlz.
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And if it's good (which i doubt), I'll pay to watch it again on the big screen. Piracy has never prevented me from going to see a movie in theaters, a movie I'm anticipating is a movie I'm going to see the way it was meant to be seen regardless. Honestly, most of the 'geek' community thinks this is gonna suck anyway, it's Joe Public (most don't even know what a torrent is) that's gonna make this film bank.
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You've given me much joy over the years, but you've also given me an insane amount of bad quality product that I cannot get a refund for. So here's the deal: from now on I'm going to jump on any chance I can to see what a movie is like before it hits the theaters. So, yeah, I'll skim through this after work and THEN I'll decide if the movie is worth my ten bucks. And if it is worth my 10 bucks, then it'll be worth $25.00 for the blu-ray. But before I dish out the cash for your product in it's various forms, I need proof that your product has the goods. This is a pattern that you can expect to continue if you insist on expecting me to continue to pay sight unseen for an inferior product.
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You crazy kids and your magical intertransitsuppositorytubes with your cryspace and facetwitter. You must all be genie-us's to use that crazy technomagical stuff! I plugged in my vcr and that shit started blinking at me and i just had to give my brain a rest! gosh! i don't see how you kids do it! And downloading movies sounds like something The Riddler did to Val Kilmer a few years back. Almost fucked up batman for good and yet here are you kids insisting on technological implants and looking into brain replacement computers that will run on crappy energizer batteries!And I have always wanted to kill the energizer bunny. Seriously. I've been in a few fist fights here and there, but as far as humans go, I've never actually killed one of them or wanted to. Kick someone's ass? Sure but not kill them. That's serious stuff. But I'd like to kill the energizer bunny and then, not kill, but beat the fucking shit out of the guy who came up with that ad campaign. If someone buys me a gift that needs batteries and they get me energizer bunny batteries, I smash the gift over their melon fucking heads immediately. I've been known to burn their houses down too. Die, energizer bunny. Die 1000 times every night in my dreams. I kill you a thousand times in my dreams, energizer bunny. Every night. 1000 times.
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So if you make movies like the Dark Knight and Iron Man. People will show up. Downloading is here. It's here to stay. Movies should be available legally to download on the films release.
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Apr 01, 2009 12:57:41 PM CDT
This couldn't have happened to a more deserving studio
by harry weinstein
Well, I suppose it could have happened to the Weinstein Company, actually.
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and for fucking around with Watchmen.
I can't wait to watch the 1/2-assed bootleg of this 1/2-assed movie. Deadpool with NO MOUTH??!?!?? That is truly laughable.
I got an idea--lets make the next Wolverine without his claws. And he's a girl. A black girl. Yeah--that's a great idea.
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Deadpool gets turned into a teleporting bald mute with Cyclops eyebeams?? Really? And ends with a giant nuclear tower falling on Wolvie just as he's saved by Gambit flying through the air and cutting said nuclear tower in half? riiightt.. check please
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this is a rare occurence of a film doing the rounds in Europe first and then making it over the Atlantic. Normally, we get pissed about with release dates - The Mist took nearly a year after the US release to arrive in the UK.
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Hey - it's Remake-Time these years. If WOLVERINE doens't get its job done at the box offices, let's get Hugh for a Prequel/Sequel/Redo-Series of HARRY CALAHAN! He's the perfect Reincarnation of Good Ol' Clint! You KNOW it's true!
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Leaking stuff like this, and then downloading it, is wrong, wrong, wrong. And if you don't think it is, ask yourself how you would feel if a project you worked on for months (sometimes years) was given away for free and without your consent. If this continues it will kill the industry. Personally, going to avoid this film like the plague. It's 20th Century Fox so it will most likely be an overproduced bland mess.
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fuck fox and fuck how they changed logan's origin story oh...and the opening acting is for shit hope this fucker tanks now i have downloaded the entire movie, am burning it, and will hand out copies in front of 7/11
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I have so enjoyed reading all the post/opinions from the good, the bad and the potty mouthed. I can't wait to get home and see it for myself if it's a steaming pile. This has truly been a Great Fucking DAY!!! Post on, Please!!
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In that he plays both sides of the field.
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If the industry was getting paid proportionate amounts to say an IT Analyst like me or a mother with multiple jobs or a dude slaving 37.5 hours per week at McDonalds, then I wouldn't be making a big hoo ha about it.
I don't expect them to make an equal amount BUT i don't expect them to make a ridiculous amount also.
Although Piracy is wrong, I'm actually happy that it goes on for the lower class earners like me.
At the end of the day, Fox and Hugh Jackman and the rest will be getting a fat greasy wage regardless of the leak.
They should be proud and content with the material they produced and the wages they get paid.
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I think he was the only one who wanted to deliver a good movie.
Isn't it ironic to see this released on April Fools Day?
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I'm not so shure. Jackman seems like a nice guy and all, buy he's the star and also a producer in this, so he probably had some creative control.
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All you people moaning about this being leeked should remember what that FOX producer said (Rothman or something like that), when asked in a interview how the fans will like the movie, the 'cool' FOX producer basicly said "Fuck the fans", no FOX FUCK YOU! ha ha ha ha ha.
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This movie is an epic fail. Although my opinion may not matter to you it is in fact more informed than yours at this point. But absolutely go ahead and save up for a ticket to the giant bucket of suck that opens May 1st. I will be waiting on your awesome reply. Oh, and a pox on Fox!
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Somewhere out there, a Warner Brothers executive is laughing furiously. Hurm.
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I love that word thanks for using it Beaks. I think the real problem is not piracy or fat cats (every industry has executives that make big $$$. Taxes and unions are what are driving jobs out of the US...Big money goes where it makes sense and peoples republic of California is a place it doesn't make sense to do business. Until there is some kind of purge of unions (which destroy the industries they infiltrate) and an end to confiscatory taxes which gives incentive for business to look for greener pastures the flight of jobs will continue.
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So,saying you're not going to bother watching the film helps the film industry then??
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who have pirated the movie are snarky assholes who use terms like 'teh suck' and 'epic fail'. Which goes to show, only giant douchebags pirate movies.
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And then he got back to having forced buttsex with Jason Newstead. While the other band mates play the ocarina and rub feces on each other.
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AICN, I respect your "hey don't send your reviews to us" stance but you could have just set a blanket junk filter using the words "my review of xmen origins" and not alerted all these geeks to go firing up their e-wires and limedonkeys. Thanks, Hollywood.
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it was indeed the magnificent "Amazon Women On The Moon". if i recall, it was no less than Peter Boyle and Christopher Plummer as the pirates! well worth finding on DVD or, in keeping with this thread, downloading :)
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And I hear this Ex-Man Wolf-marine movie I'm EPing is all over the fuckin internet! Do you people have no fuckin shame? That's MY fuckin movie!
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Anyone who hasn't ever,EVER watched a pirated film,say so,if not,fuck off with your holier than attitude.
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Apr 01, 2009 1:59:04 PM CDT
This is just an apology from FOX for X-Men: The Last Stand
by darkknight37
And I graciously accept said apology, and will find out if I drop top coin for a midnight screening. Joking aside, this is sucky for them, but karma's a bitch when you wait for WB to finish a film before you try to extort money from it.
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And I'm not going to watch it for free, it looks like shit.
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movies can now be streamed...so i dont have to download, therefore, i did not commit a crime....FUCK FOX...FUCK ROTHMAN
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Oh yeah, I'm a snarky asshole for sure. Thanks for noticing, jerk. To think you could have used your spectacular powers of insight to warn Fox ahead of time so they wouldn't embarrass themselves. Instead you waste time calling me a d-bag and a pirate, but it won't change the fact that Fox has made a steaming pile of a movie that will royally offend any fan of the X-Men.
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How is this different than a guy downloading the movie and watching it for free and then writing a review of it any different than a guy who goes to a free test screening, signs a waiver saying he won't post anything about it online, and then sends you a review that you post? There is no difference, only if he passes the material on. Weak Beaks.
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Think about the 70s, the last great period of originality when people actually had to go into a theater and pay money to watch a new release. Now in the age of video games, cable tv, home theater and one-click piracy they have to use the biggest trawl nets possible to the stupidest, widest audience. Remakes have that audience built in. The smarter, more original and geekier your story the more likely it will be strangled by piracy, ie: BSG and it's consistently feeble 'official' ratings forcing the changes that ruined season 3. It didn't matter that every geek in the universe was watching it online because that didn't sell the ads which pay directly towards production of the next episodes.
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THE GODDAMN GERMANS GOT NOTHIN' TO DO WITH IT!
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I bought the workprint for $2 before it was in theaters. It was a lousy copy but it was the best I could find in an area about 500 miles from the nearest movie theater.
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Come on give us the goods.
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Yeah I agree with people that the first hulk didnt tank because of piracy but becaue the movie was terrible, it was one of the few movies in a long time that i wanted to walk out on and not finish my popcorn
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Fuck, I would turn this piece of shit off if it was on FX tomorrow.
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and the jokes on Fox. Here's the way piracy works for me. Yes I read a lot of reviews, AiCN and JoBlo are bookmarked so I can get the skinny on what the boys and girls who review movies on a daily basis think but at the end of the day I prefer to make up my own mind. If a movie comes out, I think I should have the right to get a taste, a preview, much the same way I'd go to a music store and have a listen to an album before I buy it. 9 times out of 10 the quality of the film will suck but I get an inkling of what it's like. If I think the movie is good, you'd better believe I'd see it in the theatre too AND get the DVD (in some cases multiple copies of the same film! Take that credit crunch.) But if the movie is say... Catwoman, or the Legend of Chun Li or Dragonball, I just saved myself untold amounts of money and time by checking it out for free, not to mention sticking it to the studio in question for releasing crappy timewasters. Yeah I'm a criminal but the real crooks here are the people who spend untold millions and pass this garbage off as entertainment. If your food is underdone at the restaurant, you send it back, what can a movie fan do except write a scathing review? Peace.
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You have a bunch of people now seeking the leaked copy. Therefore, supporting piracy.
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In and between I cooked and cleaned and went out of my head. Going through life with blinders on, it's tough to see. I had to get up, get out from under and look for me. There's a new girl in town and she's looking good. There's a fresh freckled face, in the neighborhoood. There's a new girl in town, with a brand new style. She was just passing through, but if things work out she's gonna stay awhile.
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ya where the hell is the lost talkback, though if you read the description of tonights ep on abc there is a major spoiler
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You'sa sayin we'sa gonna die.
Never fell for it. Fell Towards It, Fell Into It, Fell Over It. but not For It. Only Boy George tumbles for ya. -
thanks to you now i can go download Wolverine and save money! i didnt know it was available! thanks for the heads up! (/Sarcasm) LOL
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...You cunts will never EVER say another bad thing about Ratner and X3. THAT film was fucking awesome.
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...and watched this dreadful movie online. Seriously, people, this is worse than X-Men 3. It was worse than, Twilight, for God's sake!
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There were a number of amaing talents that came into their own in that decade, and corporations hadn't totally took the artistry out of the industry yet. A smaller amount of piracy has nothing to do with it. If you want to blame anyone for the poor product we are now getting blame corporate America, people with short attention spans who will watch a movie just because it's called "fill in the blank popular old movie/comic/toy series", and just the general poor lack of talent we have right now.
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This story is all over the internet so it's hardly AICN's fault. And considering they would have gotten as much shit for NOT running it, it's safe to say they made the right call.
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...Figuratively speaking, of course.
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All that work into bringing this film to life and it all come to april fools day 2009. honestly, i reckon Fox leaked this on purpose, write it off, claim insurance, blame the internet and help rupert murdock get one step closer to owning the cyberspace and shutting all of us down in the process. hahaha. nah im joking. the film is shit. it'll always be shit even when the visuals are finished and the editing tightened. people don't like shit. except those 2 girls with the 1 cup.
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Apr 01, 2009 3:14:40 PM CDT
So, AICN just told me that I can watch Wolverine...
by themarinebiologist
...early.
I wouldn't have looked for the leak, but Beaks said it was a good idea to look for it.
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We're in a recession, yet everyone is still going to the movies. Won't pay the bills, but they'll pay $10-12 bucks to watch a movie.
Like all things, the hardest working people (Film Crew-even union) gets screwed, while the same overpaid dickweeds (Hollywood Executives and some actors) continue to get work. Now, piracy does affect a segment of the bottom line no doubt. But not to the degree that they want you to think (its only around about 3-8%) unlike the music industry which is around 20-35%.
Personally, I think people who buy or participate in piracy suck. Those who do it, don't have a artistic bone in their body. Cause if they did, they would know how it feels when someone steals your work. Imagine if someone walked in your room, stole your ipod and PS3. How would you feel? And that's the whole point. Hollywood isn't hurting. -
One user wrote on aintitcool.com: "The CGI is missing and the movie looks horrible without it.
"Even if you see the workprint you're still going to have to go see it in the theatre to fully experience the full movie with CGI effects fully intact." (who the fuck are they kidding???)
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Are you gonna review this over on aintitbalenews...or take the "moral high ground"? Inquiring minds want to know...you amateur fuck :)
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I agree, I think that Hugh Jackman wanted to deliver a really bad ass movie. Just like Thomas Jane wanted to deliver a good Punisher. That's hard to do though when the studio has the last word.
With that said. I don't like what I've heard so far, but it is April Fool's Day. I read in one review that Ryan Reynold's scenes were very short, which means that all that extra filming they did a few months back is not in this leaked copy. So I'm going to wait until May. I'm still not going to pay $10 for it. I'm going to get it from the hatian guy at the chicken shack. -
No one cared about fucking Deadpool or what they did to him. People are going to see the movie about WOLVERINE. Face it people, I love the site and read everyone's talkback but Watchmen and all it's legal bullshit is done with. It was a fuckin one week wonder that no one gives 2 shits about, people still have no idea it was a comic book, holy grail of comics my ass...
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I'd rather order and pay for the full version of that film than pay to see this pile of shit, after what I'm hearing about it.
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Period. Pro-pirate types say information wants to be free. Information wants nothing. THEY want information to be free, even when it cost someone millions to create. Ask them how they'd feel if they stopped in Penney's and stole a shirt. Do shirts want to be free?
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One minute FOX is fucking over Watchmen and all the internet nerds are shitting their pants and boycotting Fox. Then Fox's biggest summer movie leaks on the net and all of a sudden AICN predictably forgets about how they hated them weeks earlier and now all of a sudden want to help and defend Fox because times are hard for the industry.
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Why can't these numbskulls get it through their heads? People don't download as well as go to movies, they download instead of for a movie they would not have seen anyway.
Any fans of Wolverine are going to pay for it regardless. People who realize it's just another lame superhero movie(As opposed to a great superhero movie) will download it and not mind.
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Said it before,say it again,anyone,ANYONE on here NEVER,EVER watched a pirate movie,not even is a kid?Perhaps a rare horror,or ET,anything??
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The plain and simple fact of the matter is this: if your film is good, it will do well at the box office. "Taken" has proved this beyond doubt.
"Wolverine" is a shit movie. No fucking way is an extra 15 minutes of CGI sparkly going to improve this turd. It DESERVES to fail and no one should be forced to pay for this tripe. It is completely irrelevant that a bunch of people worked and slaved to bring this picture to theaters. All the people who worked on this movie WASTED THEIR FUCKING TIME! The plain and simple fact of the matter is this: they created a wholly worthless and unsatisfying product. No one should be forced to pay for this shit.
If this movie fails, it will have failed because it deserved to. No one with even the slightest amount of taste would watch this movie and walk away thinking they got their money's worth.
The message that Hollywood should be taking away from this is: MAKE BETTER FUCKING MOVIES! Unfortunately, I doubt-fuckheads that they are-the point will make it across. Fuck this movie. Everyone please download it. -
All is right in the world. How funny how the universe wraps everything up. They tried to steal and shutdown Watchmen (even turned in a profit) and now they will lose that from THEIR biggest Superhero movie. How utterly satisfying to know their greed did not go unpunished.
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Apr 01, 2009 3:48:27 PM CDT
It's not that 'hollywood is hurting', it's that piracy hurts the
by darth_inedible
When you're dealing with a market rife with piracy savvy consumers you have to aim at the broadest, basest audience to ensure the same return that you got when everyone had to pay to see your product. Nobody's saying that Hollywood is going to starve, but you can bet that they're going to make their money by churning out as few gigantic mega-tentpole 70-80s-remake 3D blockbusters as possible.
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Just screw him.
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Yes there is a carnival scene
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I'll be posting a review of this epic in a day or two. Thanks for the sterling contributions by the way.
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But I don't feel a single amount of remorse about it, because at least 3 times a month I still plop down 20 bucks for my girlfriend and I to see a movie worth our time (ok, sometimes just worth her time). Not to mention the 4 dollar sodas and 8 dollar hot dogs. So yeah, piracy is 'wrong wrong wrong', but I don't give a fuck fuck fuck.
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I never download any shitty bootleg cam copies of new movies. If anything, piracy might prevent me from buying a dvd, but not seeing a movie in theaters.
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And I think Hollywood owes a sh!tload of Pirated movies like Back taxes.
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Fuck you and your out of work friend asshole.
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And I think Hollywood owes me a sh!tload of Pirated movies like Back taxes.
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People actually had to go to a theater and PAY MONEY to see your independent film in the '70s. You couldn't check it out on youtube or download the torrent. You didn't have to sell your soul to Warner Brothers to get something off the ground because you could actually make money distributing it yourself to paying audiences.
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1) movies are overpriced, and the people that work on them are overpaid. 2) most of the nerds that download wolverine will see it in the theater and buy it on dvd, anyway. out of x-men loyalty, and because action movies suck on computer monitors. 3) why not post viewer reviews? you did it for every futurama movie, which people obviously downloaded before its release date. i mean, if you're going to post an article letting people know about the leak, you might as well post reviews 4) i say this as someone who does not download, because i'm happy with netflix, and i don't care enough about any upcoming movies to go the torrent trouble. aicn's the shit, but file this article under 'lameness' next to the christian bale defense article.
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It's shit for the most part... I can see how some of the finished fx might be interesting but the ending was horrible. Hopefully they fix it because, one thing in particular happens (if you've watched it you know) that just fucks the whole movie...
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but Wolverine? Come on. If you like summer tentpole fx extravaganzas as much as I do why in the hell would you even think about downloading a pirated copy of a movie that, beyond its most assured spectacle, will probably suck in terms of logic and storytelling?
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Watching it tonight.
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TONIGHT!
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`Hurts the fans of the film`-how?
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It's obviously illegal. Besides the expected fine, couldn't this possibly lead to some jail time?
"What are you in for?"
"I downloaded Wolverine illegally just to see it a month early."
"Wow. That's pretty hardcore."
"Yeah, pretty cool, huh?"
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Who would be a fan of that piece of crap story?
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I'm pretty sure there won't be many of those after watching this piece of shit.
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That's right, suck my big hairy sweaty balls. I really don't give a shit about this movie, but I after what they did to some of our beloved 80s franchises, after assraping Hitman fans with the movie of the same name... I won't miss one chance to insult these bastards. And in other news, I know no one gives a shit, but I'm going to bang a really hot italian chick in 2 weeks.
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you bastards! *sobs*
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WTF when did they release that memo as I sure as hell missed it.They will never care about the fans as Rothman said so himself "FUCK THE FANS, WE ALREADY GOT THERE MONEY" Ummm not this time Asshole.
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over this piece of crap is almost as funny as someone going to jail for releasing a workprint of the Ang Lee Hulk movie.
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Love it, boasting about sex you haven't had yet.
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in the thread.
I understand that a site has to grow to survive, I like to think the beginning of the site was its teenage years. It worked from the outside and got secret scoops and was fighting the "man".
As the site grew up it started getting invites to screenings and film sets, and, if it wanted to keep doing those things it had to grow up and accept it couldn't still try and be the rebel. So the site gives up one thing in the hopes of gaining something better. That's perfectly fine and I get it.
What I don't get is this sudden turn around, this holier than thou attitude that downloading the film would be terrible, reviewing it would be terrible and it would leave all of the films cast and crew homeless and penniless.
It's been pointed out that AICN have posted reviews of workprint films before, Harry himself has! So to act like that comes across as condescending and hypocritical. Especially after a few weeks ago it was "boycott fox!". Now it's "go see it in the cinema!".
I'm ok with you not wanting to promote piracy, not wanting to have reviews of the workprint on your site. But I just think the tone of the article and the way you talk about it comes across as if you're on an incredibly high horse. Which is bull. -
Pictures/Video or it never happened OR all along was really your hand with a mini dark wig stuck on top as you pleasured and talked dirty to yourself in an Italian accent.
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sorry but i wish the guy would die.
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I guess that's why Firefly was shown in the incorrect order. I guess that's why Tru Calling was axed while it got better and better. I guess that's why Jonny Zero was shown in the incorrect order. I probably forgot a lot of other series that had lots of potential.
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Twat.
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Cuz we all know you've watched this.
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if harry reviews a workprint or a prerelease, it's ok. if someone sends in a test screening review for an unfinished film it's ok... so there's basically you all in the gilded castle where rules can be bent, and then everyone else. let's face it aicn made its name doing exactly what you're up on your high horse condemnding. meanwhile merrick is dealing with his asperger's syndrome and adding up the price of bond dvds.
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fuck about Fox. Seriously.
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never downloaded a movie, and attended early screenings and not once written it up. i just don't understand how aicn can take a side here.
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"We Don't Want Your WOLVERINE Reviews"...but if you have a bootleg Phantom Menace script we'll take it. This story is ridiculously hypocritical. This site is founded on stolen/leaked material from studios. But now that it's a very small part of the same system leach on you suddenly don't approve it all?
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So they spend a fortune putting adamantium in Wolvie, when he goes running off he decides he has to be killed? Best of luck with that. The whole scene with the motorbike and the helicopter looked dreadful and I doubt any amount of tidying up will help. And how come it crashes and blows up, Wolvie sparks a convenient trail of gasoline, chopper blows up again! Gambit breaks up a fight with Wolvie and Sabretooth but why? He was kidnapped by him, why help him escape? And converting Deadpool into a mute with Cyclops eyes and full length swords in his arms was truly daft. And Adamantium Bullets to reset his memory of the entire film? I could do with some of those myself. FX and wires aside, it was dreadful and you Fox shills and plants trying to save it can go fuck yourselves.
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"We Don't Want Your WOLVERINE Reviews"...but if you have a bootleg Phantom Menace script we'll take it. This story is ridiculously hypocritical. This site is founded on stolen/leaked material from studios. But now that it's a very small part of the same system leach on you suddenly don't approve it all?
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Still don't know how the fans are being`hurt`-if you want to watch it,watch it,if you don't,don't,simple choice.
No-one's forcing anyone to watch an unfinished print.
Tell you what though,it's always interesting to compare a workprint with the finished product.
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calling them out for them actually following up on what legally they were supposed to do, and the constant bitching on tom rothman (which is deserved no less). it's just hilarious to see you people go all white knighty. in a weird way i think the hypocrisy actually emboldens impulsive adolescent morons to download this film to spite you all, because it looks like you have a special relationship now.
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No real interest in seeing this otherwise. Who cares? As for the illegal copy-fuck that shit. Why bother?
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...FOX's stance with that whole "We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning piracy..." blah blah blah. I signed up for AICN to post my thoughts only yesterday, and here is my overwhelming feeling:
this sight is so fuckin hyppoctitical its amazing. fuck beaks and harry. they were sitting front fucking row last night to see this shit movie on their computers and we all know it. those two cocksuckers wanna play FOX and Friends, go ahead. but not this kid.
beaks, harry, take this faggot movie and shove it up your asses, you fuckin tools. i hope you and this site rot in hell. -
...FOX's stance with that whole "We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning piracy..." blah blah blah. I signed up for AICN to post my thoughts only yesterday, and here is my overwhelming feeling:
this sight is so fuckin hyppoctitical its amazing. fuck beaks and harry. they were sitting front fucking row last night to see this shit movie on their computers and we all know it. those two cocksuckers wanna play FOX and Friends, go ahead. but not this kid.
beaks, harry, take this faggot movie and shove it up your asses, you fuckin tools. i hope you and this site rot in hell. -
(Sentinels) you know I'm right.
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They posted it when Watchmen might be stalled. They linked to shitted talk rants. Remember eat all the dicks. Now AICN are saving themselves the AD dollars I am sure Fox will give them when Wolverine puts out flash trailers. If I see 1 Wolverine ad on this site...whoa brother.
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I said screw him. All to heck.
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...how many FUCKS were in cocknasty's last post? that prok is serious.
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Not really. It's copyright infringement. One is criminal and one is civil. Big difference!"Copyright infringement is not 'theft' in the same way that taking a CD(DVD) from a store is theft," said Mark Lemley, a copyright expert at Stanford University Law School. "If I take your physical property, I have it and you no longer do. If I copy your song(movie), I have it, but so do you."
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1. You don't care about the work that was put into them, or the idea behind the film, whether it was great or not, I guarantee its better than you can do. Write your own million dollar movie script and then you're allowed to say what sucks.
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I've no doubt he will catch the culprit and have all responsible parties shipped to his secret island that doubles as a Fox torture lab where he and his dominatrix-clad Chinese piece-of-ass wife will go all torture porn on them.
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I don't give two shits about the debate on piracy it's not as a danger to the Movie studios as some would make it out to be. because if it's a good film, people will flock to see it. Taken has been out on the torrents for quite sometime before the US theatrical release which took in a lot of BO returns.Hollywood has been staying afloat thanks to comicbook adaptations and to some extent; shitty remakes.Let those fuckers come up with something original for once instead of bitching about piracy (which I don't condone, but if it's free, what the fuck?) as me and my friends shell out our hard earned dollars for Blu ray DVDs and theater releases.
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... we appreciate GOOD work, GOOD ideas. i myself tend to believe that perhaps shit movies getting leaked is a good thing. so people can see it online, for free, and not waste their hard-earned cash on it. and as for this movie? any fuckin retard with a little cash for fx can write a better movie than this. so why dont you im your buddies at FOX and tell em i said GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU FILTHY COCKSUCKERS
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Hows that Rothman dick taste Harry/Beaks? Probably tastes like cold hard CA$H.
This has nothing to do with "Oh, look its freeeeeeeee!!!!" It has to do with the fact that we've been hearing nothing but bad news and now we can confirm it. You've desecrated yet another potentially amazing film. This is the bed Fox has made by making such gems as:
X3
AVP
AVP:R
Die Hard 4
FF4
FF4:RotSS
Hitman
Daredevil
Ghost Rider
Do I REALLY have to keep going? ALL of those films had the potential to be absolutely mind-blowing...ALL are utter SHIT!
Still got that work print of AOTC lying around Harry? How about that TPM leaked script that you BUILT YOUR FUCKING CAREER ON?!?! Thanks for the ethics lesson. Now go shove it right up your fat ass.
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That's pretty much all that needs to be said. What an asshole.
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Apr 01, 2009 5:04:44 PM CDT
"We forensically mark our content so we can identify sources..."
by leafar the lost
According to the statement, it appears that FOX is going to arrest not only the people who released the movie, but also the people who saw it. So, all you geeks who thought you saw a free movie will now be paying for it the hard way, by spending time in jail getting your buttholes violated. I quote, "We forensically mark our content so we can identify sources that make it available or download it. The source of the initial leak and any subsequent postings will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - the courts have handed down significant criminal sentences for such acts and the last person who committed such a crime is still in jail." Tommy Rothman enjoys using his power to punish geeks by throwing them in jail, and then forcing them to see his movies 24 hours a day. Get ready for Hell, bitches!
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Argh, that's the worst attempt at defending a shit film I've ever heard, I hate that logic.
"Murr you couldn't paint a painting/write a book/direct a film, so you can't have an opinion on whether it's good or not!"
Wtf? So only people who have made one of those things themeslves can have opnions on other works? Becasuse I've not made a film I can't point out if a film is shit? If it has a crap script or acting? Don't talk bollocks. -
Apr 01, 2009 5:07:54 PM CDT
FOX is also shutting down all public libraries for...
by leafar the lost
...giving out their movies for FREE to people with library cards. They will be punished to the fullest extent of the LAW.
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FROM MY COMPUTAH!!!! *THROWS MONITOR AT THE WALL*
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of course he watched it. Don't let his sob story fool you. Guess all those reports of theater attendance being up and all those B.O. Records being broken isn't enough for this upcoming and "staggering" transition. Guess your buddy will have to get coffee for another empty suit, Beaks.
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used to do script reviews?
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=12709
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I have never been fucked or fucked anyone after filling my cock with acid, but I have a strong feeling that it would suck!
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...I have to agree with the folks pointing out the obnoxious hypocrisy from the powers-that-be at AICN. It's pretty clear that their attitude towards the behaviors that obtained the original kinds of "scoops" that generated the news that was "cool" back in the day are now the tactics that are not just frowned upon but sneered at -- now that AICN has very clearly become something of a publicity arm of the studios. Oh well. They know it. We know it. Time to move on.
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I was going to see this at the cinema - I really was - and yet I could not resist and downloaded the workprint.
For the first 3/4 of the movie it was great - and then they shat all over it.
Deadpool - OK - I could almost live with the adamantium swords - but the teleporting?? the optic blasts??
Oh for fucks sake!!!
The last 20 minutes of this movie are utter shit. They unfortunately destroy the previous hour and 20 that I was liking a lot - maybe even loving a little.
Apparantly there is 15 mins missing from this movie - lets hope its the last 15 minutes, rewritten and reshot because I have never seen a movie kill its ending as badly as this - and I saw Reign of Fire!!! -
i couldnt give a fuck anyway, i wouldnt download it much less see it in a theater or on DVD
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But I'm not a fanboy. Looking at this purely as a mindless action flick it's really not too bad.
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Apr 01, 2009 5:13:11 PM CDT
Someone please confirm for me the Cyclops vision / Deadpool thin
by particularly hard vato
I mean seriously, if the idiots at Fox don't have the decency to respect the comic book stories they interpret in to film by simply NOT ADDING RIDICULOUS PLOT POINTS THAT ARE NOT PART OF MAJOR CHARACTERS' BACKSTORIES, then I see no reason to pay money to see this.
One of the things I loved so much about the Dark knight was the way Nolan had renvisioned the Batman universe witha good dose of realism and any changes he made were neccessary to that end. that is whythe Joker worked so well- the idea of an acid back was not realistic. But what he did was better- he grounded the character in reality.
But Fox unnecessarily adding things like mutant abilities to Deadpool he never had is simply ridiculous. It shows that Fox truly has no respect for the fans of the material. There is no reason to reward that kind of movie making.
It's time these jackasses learned to treat both their subject matter and their fans with respect.
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thas a fact
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I agree with you. 3/4 of the movie was good and maybe even very good. The Deadpool part killed it.
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I'm sorry but that's just bullshit, how do you track when someone watches a re-encoded piece of video? It's not possible. I understand they want to preserve their box office opening but lying to people who will know you're lying is just insulting. And given what they've done to Deadpool it's not like people were excited about this film in the first place...
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...lets collaborate on a movie man.
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i pretty sure Taken was out on dvd in the U.K well before the theater release in the US and thats made over 100 million in the theater
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is why people keep bashing on rupert murdoch and saying how pissed off he must be right now. you do know rupert murdoch has nothing to do with the Fox Entertainment division, which is headed up by the sloth that is tom rothman. get your facts straight people, damn.
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I hope all your studios go bankrupt and your soulless Hollywood movie making system goes down in flames. You are all creatively bankrupt and produce 95% worthless shit.NO BALLS! Grow a sack and make some original films. What a fucking novel idea! No more movies based on TV shows and comics. No more remakes and sequels. I fucking dare you to try!
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..made such a stink over Watchmen. They realized that once word of mouth got around on this movie, they had a bomb on their hands, and were going to need that extra money to make up for it. Bad form Fox. Bad form.
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Where's your integrity AiCN? More importantly, where are your balls?
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But this: "We forensically mark our content so we can identify sources that make it available or download it."That's not possible, douchebags. Do you really think the geeks are that stupid? You can forensically mark it so you can find out who originally leaked it, but that's pretty much it. Figure out who downloaded it? Now, you're just trying to scare people.Fortunately, most people won't have any real interest in watching this movie for free. Downloading takes time. Watching a movie also takes time. Who wants to waste their life energy on another Fox superhero clusterfork?
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but if it comes to lawsuits,...we rule!!!" or "the last one who broke our law is still in Guantanamo...err..jail!" Sorry, but Karma really seems to be a bitch, boys.
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Based on the trailers, and the fact it's fox: Epic Fail.
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i will electrocute him for hours before i hand him to the authorities. i mean it. im like dexter execpt better looking with a slightly smaller penis...im honest.
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...for you, Hugh. i never thought id say it, but id rather watch you nance around in drag than see that trash you just made again
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What movie did you watch? There was no character development, no chemistry, the plot was silly and cliched from scene 1, the dialog was embarrassingly cheesy, and the movie had no flow. Perhaps the missing footage will fill in some of the gaps in the movie's timeline and help explain the motivations behind the characters' actions. This was awful from the beginning.
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The thing about Taken is that is was good. Wolverine wont get word of mouth like Taken did. But it will make some kind of money.
I loved Taken. Even the trailer was nice. But this so-called WOlverine movie looked bad from the gate. Less money. Same story. Not dark just more of Logan getting his ass-kicked and a few curse words. Still no blood, more love and kissing. An adult Twilight. Excruciating amount of wife-beaters and FOX interference everywhere make this a so-what movie. No costumes, no Imax, no 3D. -
Star Wars leaked before release, LOTR TT leaked before release.As long as people have an internet connection, they'll be out there.If a movie's good, I'll buy it.Me going to the cheap Tuesday for $6 isn't going to pad Fox's account.Make a good movie and I buy the blu-ray..
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Trust me when I say I thought X3 was the final nail in this franchise's coffin. I was wrong. This movie is the Blade3 of the X franchise. I..I just considered it a blessing I didn't waste my money.PEOPLE. ARE. GOING. TO. BE. PISSED.
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ill bet if we wrote a script like that, FOX would produce it. fuckin assfuckin queers that they are
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..and I'll do it using my usual flawless LOGIC ( R.I.P George)
The studios think that because someone downloads a movie they'll never pay to see/own it. Lets end this debate right now, shall we?
We'll use TDK as the example because it's current and disputably the highest grossing film of all time, an Oscar winning film and a critic/fan favorite. Its also made by WB but thats another story...
So according to the assumptions of FOX and other studios, if they look at my HD and find a DVD quality rip of TDK, they WON'T find it on my DVD rack. Well sorry to disappoint but you'll actually find both. A further investigation will also reveal 3 ticket stubs for TDK in my desk drawer, 2 of which are for the IMAX version, which is twice the price of a regular ticket. Now why is this? The answer is simple...
Because it a movie WORTH buying and supporting! Thats it... mystery solved. The film-makers, studio, actors, writers, producers and everyone down to the caterers gave 110% on that film and it SHOWS! More importantly, they RESPECTED THE FANS AND SOURCE MATERIAL.
Now lets flash forward 5-6 months after Wolverine has opened and now is hitting DVD. If you would look on my HD, my DVD shelf or in my desk drawer, you will not find a shred of evidence that "Wolverine" ever even happened. Why? BECAUSE IT FUCKING SUCKS!!!! Its not a film worth owning/seeing/supporting. Its poorly made/acted/written/shot/paced and I bet even the food on the set wasn't much better than steamed toast.
You want a successful film that fans will be happy to spend their hard earned money to see and support? Then make it a GOOD FILM!
Piracy has absolutely no effect on a persons decision to spend money on a film. Shit I've bought 3 different versions of "Oldboy" since I first saw it as a bootleg. Why? Because I love it and I can tell the film makers did as well. Watching Wolverine was like watching a kid get more and more frustrated with his new big ass Lego set and by the end, he's just throwing the pieces at the wall or shoving them up his nose.
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Damn, I remember when leaks were the most badass news to speak on, when the internet was in its infancy. Since this is the #1 way of getting any movie information, now rebel sites are all apart of the evil empire. They are all at risk of bullying so much, that they stay loyal by straddling the fence with who they used to be. You don't want to be a site that condones these actions? Stop reporting it then. You are not that site anymore with the ability to post something that is so scoop worthy anymore. This place is a haven for friends of insiders that walk on eggshells in order to protect their relationships with people who can get them tickets to advance screenings. We'll,here's an advance screening, review away.
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Forensically mark this, bitches.
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"You don't care about the work that was put into them, or the idea behind the film, whether it was great or not, I guarantee its better than you can do. Write your own million dollar movie script and then you're allowed to say what sucks."
Are you a filmmaker?If not,YOU are forbidden to express your opinion on any film from now on.This also applies if you are not a sportsman/musician/artist/etc etc.
If I see ANY comments from you with a personal opinion of a movie,I will demand that you remove them immediately.
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Moriarty: It's taken me almost 25 hours to download SPIRITED AWAY
I remember before this site, back in the old newsgroup days, Harry was THE GUY to get you bootlegs, leaked script, workprints, etc. This site was built on that. But now it's wrong and costs people in hollywood jobs? Nah, now they don't condone it because it means Hugh Jackman's assistant won't write emails to Harry as Hugh saying how he's his best friend. Now it means no XXXXL Wolverine T-shirts.
The point of sites like this (and the old corona site, etc) were to seize the new frontier of the internet, where everything was available, and give readers access to stuff they won't find in variety or anywhere else. I guess maybe call it over-saturation, maybe "maturity," but that's not the case anymore.
I'd be fine with this is all of you at AICN would just go ahead and say "Yes, we condoned piracy in the past." Also, would you be so opposed to piracy if this was a leak of "Meet the Spartans" or "Epic Movie" and not a "geek tentpole?" I highly doubt it. -
A LOT of people were wishing this would happen, back when the Watchmen lawsuit was resolved, and FOX would be making a ton of money for nothing. I guess this makes them even?
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for christsakes
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AintItCorporateNewsAintItCorporateNewsAintItCorporateNewsAintItCorporateNewsAintItCorporateNews...so is it safe to say the reason Mori left is because Harry Sucked Rothmans dick during a secret screening of Fantastic 4 3 AND swallowed his pimp juice all in the name of unbiased news reporting?...AintItCorporateNewsAintItCorporateNewsAintItCorporateNewsAintItCorporateNewsAintItCorporateNews
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Why did Gambit lose his accent in the end? How do they plan on making a Deadpool spin off when they killed him off? Why are Silver Fox and Emma Frost sisters? Why is Emma Frost so ugly? Where did teen Scott get ruby quartz lense glasses? I'm guessing Victor Creed and Sabertooth are two seperate characters in movie canon. I have a lot of gripes with this film. It genuinely upsets me.
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wolverine: SUX MY BALLS
X3: NOT WORTH THE SWEAT ON MY SACK
Matrix2: FUCK THIS PIECE OF SHIT
Matrix3: FUCK THIS PIECE OF SHIT
the Little Mermaid: Classic
Rorschach, suck my anus you fuckin narc. I want to blind you by skullfucking your eye socket, then lobotomize you with a spork and feed whatever matter i remove to my fuckin gerbil you loose-anused stoolie -
It's against the fucking law.
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They might want a few bootleg copies to get out and create buzz. But it ain't, so they aren't
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Check this out. Done by a Sydney University I think.
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Apr 01, 2009 5:51:52 PM CDT
A Very Elegant Written F Bomb: Outside Observation From Michigan
by lostinmyroom1981
I have been coming to this site for years. I have been a socially constructed labialised fan boy ever since my parents fell into the marketing scheme of the late 90s known as the return of Star Wars. Back then, my parents would buy me all those Kenner action figures with what money they could muster up, ever since I was hooked on the movie marketing machine. ..
Oh how the internet really picked up in anticipation for the Star Wars prequel known as the Phantom Menace. It was a real innocent time, before the dark side consumed all, so to speak. I truth I am not sure how I found Aint It Cool News. But once I did I would come here almost every day and read what material they could dig up. Us fans wanted something so bad, we could taste it, and we the consumers needed to know what are dreams would be like. And as we eventually found out, our dreams never even materialized.
Time went by, most of the population of this site had to go to college, break up with girlfriends, watch their parents grow older. The same people who ran the site had to do the same.
As the internet has changed everything it now must be the same. There is no room for sharing, trading, or getting anything for free in the simulated world in which we now live. The internet it abstract, it is lucid, but like everything else in your feeble lives it is now officially owned. How ironic it truly is that this occurred on April fools day. While the Billionaires are fighting Pirate Bay in world court, Hulu is advertising on your TV set. Free programming for all, brought to you by NBC, ABC, FOX, and the Federal C C.
I am not sure. I know Wolverine is only one shameless attempt and making money, much like Marvel itself. It’s a system of deceit, assimilation, and socialization. And while most suffer in this country because of credit card bills, medical bills, and starvation the corporations (S) morally suffocate us with their hypocrisy of dare I say, a juvenile plethora of bullshit. Were not children anymore, don’t let them talk to you like children.
This site is over. It has officially been consumed by everything you hate. We have made them rich, fat, and allowed their terrible uneducated babble filter the very cyberspace ways that were free from such a physical tyranny. Much like face book, My Space, and Amazon ( most likely goggle) Aint It super Cool high five News is a marketing contraption for the brainwashing elite. Its over here… Move on if you are a fan…
The people who run this site should be ashamed of themselves. Thank you for the years, there are many good people on these boards, much like there is throughout America. But this is a day when a new site should be started by fans who hold free speech as well their personal freedom the foremost priority in their short lives.
First that letter from the home schooled writer of the Watchmen movie ( how did that blue tiger get formed by the way?) and now this “obey the man talk”. Its about time, put these morally condemning hypocritical assholes out of business. Do it for America. America fuck ya!
Sincerely
A middle class fan…
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If AICN hadn't posted spy reports back in the day, it would have never become what it is today. Yup. They're sellouts, but they have been for a loooong while now. It's harder and harder to visit here without Moriarty's reviews and articles. The bad thing is, his new site sucks as well. Oh well.
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Just watch the trailers,you'll see the whole movie.15-20 minutes isn't going to help this film.The film feels like a cheap televison show.They butchered Deadpool.The poster with the characters looking down sums it up.I feel bad for Hugh Jackman though.
Hey Rothman, you know what they say about Karma, F*** you!Don't insult the fans that care about these characters and would pay their hard earned money to see a quality film.
Headgeek=Corporate suckup geek.I guess if this movie came out say 12 years ago like say Batman&Robin,then it would be "cool" to rip it.Joel Shumacher forgot to email Headgeek to kiss his butt for a positive word of mouth review.Let me guess,Harry's going to LOVE Wolverine:Origins. -
Like the law means anything. I've got a question. If the FBI arrests me and I go to jail and lose my house, will the government bail me out. After all, my theft amounts to exactly ZERO dollars (I would never, ever, for the life of me watch Wolverine at the movies or on DVD and as it stands I wont even waste my time downloading it) but corporations can steal...what is it...billions? Fuck them in the ass. Also, props too AICN and beaks for updating with blatant bullshit propoganda.
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... is a fat, spineless sellout. Fuck that queer
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According Moriarty its because they are now "insiders" that they can see how their early actions hurt the very thing they love. I think, in simple english, they mean "Now that the industry has almost allowed us to nearly get our big toe in the door, we must suck satans cock HARD and furious."
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some Wolverine stuff I got from a ABC staffer's home computer
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The thing about Terminator Salvation or Transformers 2 is that we would gladly pay to see those in theaters seeing as they are big movies that want to please fans. Wolverine however is controlled by the studio that doesnt care about making movies good. Which is what people are starting to understand. Wolverine can be just as big as any other blockbuster. However, for a summer release I really dont see anything visually stunning about this movie. The characters dont look entertaing or drastically different from each other in any way, plain looking sets, too much sun in a movie thats supposedly dark. No thanks FOX. After watching Street Fighter and Dragonball on the same night, Its clear you care shit about how your movies turn out. No other studio would treat these properties this way.
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"Fox Home Video's newly inaugurated strategy of removing "extras" from DVDs sent to rental stores ran into trouble this week as thousands of buyers of the Oscar-winning Slumdog Millionaire discovered that the extras, such as the "making of" documentary and deleted scenes, which were advertised on the packaging were not included on the disc itself. On her Deadline Hollywood Daily website, Nikki Finke noted that so many complaints poured into Amazon, that the online retailer posted an alert notice reading, "We are aware that special features were missing from a number of Slumdog Millionaire DVDs. Fox has set up a hotline telephone number (1-888-223-4FOX) for those consumers who may have purchased a version that does not contain special features. Upon calling the hotline, these consumers will be able to have their disc replaced for one containing special features. Fox regrets any inconvenience this has caused." These greedy, scummy fucks are WHY people fucking pirate. Let The Right One In is another good example. You can download a nearly perfect copy from the net. Or if you purchase it in an American store, you run the 50/50 risk of getting some bastardised version Magnolia pictures thought would be more appealing. Also, I visit IMDB out of habit, The Onion A.V. Club for news, interview and reviews and AICN to bitch and moan and talk about shit and gossip. AICN was the only one of the three reporting on it.
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"Dragon Ball Energy? D.B.E.... catchy!" Oh, fuck Fox.
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...then we need to fuck it right back in
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EXACTLY! I remember coming to AIC every day when they launched because this was wear EVERYTHING leaked. Now its a corporate marketing tool in disguise. Notice how Harry and Beaks haven't said anything on the subject? Its because their corporate masters haven't given them permission to yet. That "update" was noting more than a muzzle.
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i mean, seriously. he's the least functional "journalist" i've ever seen. tila tequila's myspace blog is more revelvant and thoughtful than his posts.
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Fuck you Fox.
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FOX needs to reexamine it's security protocols. If you think its safe to leave large piles of money on your front lawn for anyone to steal, don't be so shocked and appalled when someone actually takes advantage of the opportunity. That being said, piracy is dirty... and sexy- but wrong, like sex with farm animals.
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Thats actually what they would do regardless of piracy. Its one of the many reasons no one gives a fuck about what happens to the studios. Same with the fact that instead of giving us what we want, namely giant ass imax screens that destroy the act of watching something on a computer screen, these cheap cunts try and force gimmicky junk on us like 3D, and if Katzenbergs to be believed, they will end up charging us to buy our own glasses. Piracy has exsisted since the early 80's, and TV has exsisted as direct competition for longer. Its been proven, beyond a doubt, that piracy at worst has little effect on returns, and in some cases, like Taken, seems to boost returns. What FOX is worried about is word of mouth. The best kind of advertising you can get, will work against them because they are cheap, lazy, greedy fucks. They are con men. They are selling a shit product, and they don't want anyone to know. So fuck em.
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Apr 01, 2009 6:17:15 PM CDT
Not a review for a movie that i did not download from piratesbay
by namasteandgoodluck
So I wouldn't know that it's a huge piece of shit. I wouldn't know that the story completely had nothing to do with Wolverine's origin, that the acting sucked....basically I wouldn't know to tell you not to go see this piece of shit. Oh yeah, I do know...Fox can eat a dick. Fox can eat all the dicks and just when Fox thinks that's all the dicks they can eat, wrong; they can eat MORE dick.
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Beaks - "All I can promise is that we won't run a single review until the movie screens for press (be it junket or otherwise)."
But we'll run a shitload of reviews for movies that are test screening (which were not for press), or post reviews for scripts (like Superman) that haven't been made.
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Two examples right out of the gate in Dragonball and X-Men Origins: Wolverine's Tale as Told By The Gay Guy from the Oscars of how you do not care about the source material. Get any jackoff director to take something so sacred to others, and see if it can be pimped to the fullest. It's like George Lucas secretly seized your studios and starting spreading his failness onto as many properties as possible.
Star Wars RIP
Aliens RIP
Predator RIP
X-Men DOA
Fantastic Four DOA
Die Hard RIP
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Just kidding. You're a douchebag!! You sound like an accountant for Fox who's pissing over the .0003% of revenues you're losing over pirated copies of Die Hard sold at the Swap Meet. You fuckin little worm! Obviously the only one who would be pissed at pirating is someone who thinks he's losing money from all this, someone in the industry. So you're not getting paid enough? Well, think about the working class joe who had to shell out $50 to take his kids to watch Star Wars I, II, or III just to make them happy and realize he wasted $150 he could have spent on clothes or food for them, instead of taking them to watch $100 million cartoons made to rob moviegoers of their hard-earned money. You FUCK!! You're no better than those RIAA assholes who want to sue every single person who downloaded a 10 year old song on the internet and send them to jail, all for losing a microscopic piece of profit to pay for the flooring in your Malibu beach house. I shit on you, you greedy bastards! You guys and losing shit, while making us pay more to watch your movies, hoping... just hoping... that we didn't just waste $10 to watch some overhyped piece of shit... which is what you put out there 75% of the time. So shut the fuck up and post Wolverine back online so I can watch this potential crapfest for free... and maybe, if it is halfway decent, and not as shitty as these people say, I'll take my friends and watch it in the theater as well as recommend it to others.... But probably not.
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All you were doing is adding publicity, so more people were sharing it via torrents.
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Cry me a river. Thanks for illuminating us to why piracy is bad. Its because, and I'm not quoting directly here, "You are cock suckers. I hate you. Continue rant." Now I see the light!
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Apr 01, 2009 6:23:47 PM CDT
Remember when FOX wasn't a fucking joke?
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Remember the days when FOX was actually a legitimate studio that didn't take properties with a built-in fanbase they could manipulate and turn them to shit? This was the studio that brought us Star Wars for fuck sake.And look at them now. What a joke. It seems a crime that good people are losing their jobs in other professions whilst the jokers at the top of the FOX foodchain keep fucking us over again and again.
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It's tayback time!!!
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A lot of the problem is too that in the old days, all of this information came from low level, unessential production personnel, whether it was PAs, writer's assistants, assistant editors, etc. The problem is now sites like AICN have direct contact to the hire ups, that the low level folks wouldn't dare leak stuff (unless told to, which happens a lot), in fear of losing their jobs. I haven't heard of Harry doing this, but I know for a fact that Devon from CHUD has gotten many PAs fired by calling producers and giving up his source in exchange for confirming a rumor. Why should they care about protecting a low level source when the info will be "leaked" to them by the marketing department or the producers themselves? That's lead to the studios having essentially full contol over what info gets out there. Hell, most marketing companies have their own talkback "personality" and a team of people posting positive reviews and comments on multiple sites. Nobody is gonna risk their jobs to leak information anymore.
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I think reviewing the first draft of a script does far more damage than leaked workprints, especially ones with unfinished effects.
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I saw a PRISTINE copy - PUH RIS TINE - long before the fanboys started camping outside the Ziegfeld.
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noticed in the credits that someone played psylocke? I didnt notice the hottest super hero ever? Oh and i thought the movie was great, cant wait to see it in the theatres since i didnt download it and watched it in an undisclosed hotel room. With finished effects and some major tweaking to the ending it will be the best xmen movie yet. Oh and was anyone else surprised that wil I am can actuallly act?
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When watching a television show or listening to a song on the radio, I will frequantly change channel when the ads are on, and when I do hear the ads, I usually don't purchase the product. Theft. When I do see a movie like X Men Origins: Wolverine, its usually when I rent them in a giant stack from the video store on those "Rent any 5 weeklies for 5 dollars" night. Frequantly, a shady friend will offer to let me listen to "this" on his Ipod on my lunch break. I am sure he did not sign a lisencing agreement whereby he could share musical content with others. Two other shocking examples. I borrowed a pirated copy of Taken and Gran Torino off a guy at work. I watched and enjoyed them. I then took my girlfriend to see Taken (fell asleep in the last 15 minutes though)and my dad to see Gran Torino. This unfortunately proved that piracy being the death knell of the industry is a bunch of horseshit, and therefore I hurt the film industries attempts to demonise it. Sorry film industry. Anyway, I feel for the guy who empties the bins on FOX PIECE OF SHIT # 4567 getting sacked because I watched a movie for free that I never would have paid to see anyway. I'm sure its that revenue loss of...0 dollars that caused your firing, and not greey fucking actors and executives over paying themselves.
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
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...I was being hypothetical there, since you'd have to PAY ME to download fucking Wolverine. Studios should just bite the bullet and do with the internet what they did TV, and get into the communication supply business. Pay your 60 dollars a month for ulimited broadband, download whatever the fuck you want from the Warners database. Jesus, just look at the bandwidth I've wasted on the Where The Wild Things Are trailer.
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There was this guy bragging and talking about seeing the workprint. Which was stolen, so an illegal copy of the movie, unfinished and missing some special effects and scoring. oh wait.. wait.. no that was back in 2002 and that guy was Harry and the movie was Attack of The Clones.
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www.myspace.com/martinjunior84. If you want a review off it becaus AICN doesnt have the balls to, check out my page and add me if you like what you read. By the way just because a film hits the internet a month a day or a week early, doesnt mean it still wont make its $$. If good word of mouth comes from the leak the studio makes its money back! Hell i saw the dark knight two week early before it was released! It became the 2nd picture of all time in america! So stop being spoiled, condone illegal activity, but not for profit!
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...But does Beaks get paid for his work on AICN? If so, he's actually profiting from piracy and theft (intellectual and otherwise) as opposed to people downloading it for free, and not purchasing it off some dudes card table at a flea market.
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...before Harry and the gang started sucking, slurping and swallowing the movie industries cock AND balls. Before you start complaining about how piracy is killing an embattled industry, maybe you should acknowledge the fact that poor quality, overpaid execs, bad deals and outsourcing have more to do with the state of the industry than a shitty download of a shitty workprint that will just turn out to be a shitty film when it's finished anyway.
Do any of you have any integrity anymore? You gays are starting to sound more like paid off movie critics...oh sorry, I meant guys. Fags. -
I wonder how much they got paid, seeing as they both end up with about a dozen lines of combined dialogue and three minutes of combined screentime. And goddamn Fox, I wanted a real Deadpool movie with Reynolds starring. What the everliving fuck was that monstrosity at the end? The Mute With A Mouth? Oh fuck you FOX, I'm glad I didn't pay a CENT for that TRASH.
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The end.
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Studios complain of workprint leaks. Fans complain of remake saturation. Look Fox, just think of the cinema relase as yet another fucking remake.
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Apr 01, 2009 6:42:32 PM CDT
the fuck do you guys care anyway..weren't you boycotting?
by nobody_touches_buddy_revell
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While I was trying to find a clip of Harry on CNN talking about AOTC I found this old interview... times sure have changed. Ebert sums it up perfectly at the end I feel
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I've been extremely busy today, and I have to run out in a couple of minutes. Still, I want to address some of your concerns/criticisms/opprobrium.
1) This workprint was not meant to be screened. So it's *slightly* different from a test screening. Now, is a test screening meant to be reviewed? No - and that's part of the gray area I mentioned in the above article. That said, when a film tests, that means the filmmakers are comfortable enough with the film to solicit feedback from a recruited, non-pro audience (and AICN's been doing this long enough that most people reading the site understand this). Again, not the case w/ the WOLVERINE workprint.
2) I probably could've worded the banning idea better. Basically, it was just an initial idea I had, and one I quickly abandoned because I knew it was unworkable. I also knew I was overreaching. But I really didn't want this talkback to become ground zero for reviews of the workprint - which I'm happy to say it hasn't. It's mostly become a "Bash Beaks" fest. And I'm honestly fine with that.
3) It's odd to find myself in the position of defending Fox, but I'm 100% anti-piracy regardless of the studio. I've never been into file sharing or anything of that nature (from Napster onward). I prefer to pay for my movies and my music.But while I sympathize with Fox's plight, I still think Tom Rothman is a micromanaging doofus who's compromised a number of potentially great films (see KINGDOM OF HEAVEN). And yet the man got MASTER & COMMANDER made. It was a passion project for him. So he's not all bad.
4) I try to provide perspective when I run script reviews. I never give away third act twists and only condemn a screenplay when it is flawed on a conceptual level. (See my SEVEN SAMURAI remake review at CHUD.) If we started running WOLVERINE reviews, experience tells me that a majority of the write-ups would be pure vitriol. And since this movie is missing upwards of fifteen minutes (or so I've been told), it's probably a little early to throw it in the stocks.Perhaps you disagree. Maybe you've got all the ammo you need from the workprint. I can't stop you from discussing it (and that's why I've only deleted one talkback, which was a direct link to one of the file-sharing sites). But I'm not going to pass judgment until we've got a screenable cut. -
to the full extent.and force the FBI and the american justice system to hunt and hung those criminals in the most severe way.
this world will be a better place without movie pirates,even if killers,rapists,drug dealers,terrorists,sex slavers,etc are still out there.
not having mr rothman the money to get one more private jet plane,is a very serious crime than killing.go get them fbi. -
Apr 01, 2009 6:52:08 PM CDT
Extremely silly to not post reviews. Does that ever happen?
by happybunni
Normally when you receive a review of an unfinished movie, there's a disclaimer. The reviews should be posted with disclaimers, same as they would be in any other case. Studios own AICN.
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in all honesty what he just said clears up alot for me. Now all I want is Harry to say why hes being hypocritical when he himself has posted reviews about stolen pirated copies.
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said pirated movie was weeks in advance as well (star wars)
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You can't win. There will always be film pirates. Most people uploading don't make a cent of it anyway. If someone wants to watch a blockbuster film on a seventeen inch screen on a creaky chair. Let them.
Yet why can't films be available for download on a films release?
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wasnt being sarcastic i really enjoyed the movie, as an avid x-men fan growing up of course it had its problems but what super hero movie doesnt, is just as good as the first two
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Dude- Cannon Films made some entertaining shit back in the day. I'm not saying their films were the greatest thing ever, but when you're feeling down in the dumps and need some cheesy 80's action, "Delta Force" and others like it are the way to go. Oh yeah- Harry and Beaks are a couple of fucking cunts. And Harry is a Maoist cunt to boot.
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thank you AICN for bringing this to my attention. if it wasn't for you reporting about the leak, i wouldn't have known about it. off to pirate bay now.....
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Apr 01, 2009 6:56:44 PM CDT
This movie is a joke, so how fitting for it to leak today.
by polyh3dron
Revenge is sweet. Fuck you Fox.
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I'm just guessing here but a vast majority who viewed the workprint probably stopped watching a 1/4 through. Not because it was bad but because it had potential to be good(or at least rentable). I don't think Fox has too much to worry about with the leak but it will be an interesting experiment.
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http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,219185,00.html
''We don't know how he could have seen it,'' insists a Lucasfilm rep, who declined to comment on plot points or the apparent leak. -
we all know you watched this movie, so lets relax on the "anti-piracy" schtick. if you were anti piracy you wouldnt be working for AICN, so shove it you dog
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It needs more editing, the Escape from Alkali Lake needs to be more brutal it looked to me like almost no one died.. and hey maybe that's in the reshoot footage. In what I saw there's a good movie, is there bad acting, yes.. but you'll get that from most of your summer blockbusters. So I know I'll be seeing it again in theatres and I look forward to going back to and the workprint and comparing what I saw, and discussing the choices made between the final cut and the work print we saw
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That is actually a pretty weak defense. We shouldn't enforce the law so long as there are worse criminals out there? They attempt to prosecute all criminals they can catch. Sentences are worse for worse crimes. And piracy does affect industries. Almost every single PC game company I enjoyed as a kid went belly-up, all citing piracy, or migrated completely to consoles, because it is harder to pirate on consoles. It is amazing that all the CRPG buffs I know played Planescape: Torment, but the company that made it no longer exists because I don't know anyone who bought it. When you don't pay for products, you are not voting with your wallet, and you don't get a right to bitch. The same idiots in these talkbacks who were trashing Watchmen and saying they'd boycott it are upset that movies like this are made. Sadly, this movie will probably make twice watch Watchmen did, and prompt sequels. What you need to do is financially support the movies that get it right (or at least mostly get it right like Watchmen) or don't bitch when those movies cease to exist.
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Check out the first 2/3rds of X2, which are extremely efficient in their storytelling.
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"It's mostly become a "Bash Beaks" fest. And I'm honestly fine with that."So your saying its ok to bash you, hmmm well ok let me see even without your fucking permission we would be doing that anyway.We dont need you to stroll along making a quick post before you *have* to run out telling us its ok to bash you..... OK.Now can those who have watched it post FULL reviews in this TB with spoilers and feel free to mention it was AICN's attempt to get us all to boycott this POS film in the first place over the Watchmen debacle that led you to download it.
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They round up a shitload of mutants to steal their powers to give to deadpool. captain picard...i mean, professor x shows up at the end of the flick. sabretooth saves wolverine at the end. they wipe out wolverines memory with adamantium bullets.
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do u know that in the fbi's priority list for fighting crime,that their second priority,after terrorism,is movie/music/software piracy?
nobody said that the pirates,WHO SELL the stolen artwork,and not those who share it freely,shouldnt be prosecuted.ofc they must go to jail.
but i ask you,you as an american tax payer,what are the priorities you want the fbi to have in the war against crime?
do u want the fbi to spend its resources,money and people,in order to catch first a movie pirate or do u want to go first and catch a serial rapist,killer,drug dealer,sex slaver etc?
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Although it is a first of its kind to be pirated so early - it is after all - just a movie. Of course people put in countless hours to create the film. You run a site about movies - and you're talking about squelching people's ability to talk about what they have seen? If people don't want to read spoilers they won't show up. The movie industry is somewhat at fault for the piracy that happens. I can't believe they even do awards screeners anymore. Just have the lazy voters go to a theater where they can see the movie for free. Of course this is an inside job - but come on guys - this is a movie - not rocket science.
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The FBI is concerned with federal crimes. And the United States has a horrid trade deficit because the world doesn't buy our products. The one thing the US excels in producing is intellectual property, which few people seem to pay for, especially outside the country. You can literally buy pirated DVDs, games, etc. on store shelves in Asia. If the rest of the world were paying the actual creators of these products, even at significantly reduced prices, the US economy would be MUCH better off. So yes, I want the FBI to make an effort to curtail piracy because intellectual property is crucial to the economic future of the country.
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the FBI,
AICN,
The American Government,
Wolverine,
Rush Limbaugh,
and the entire Republican Party.
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Preach it! California, one of the biggest economies in the world is crumbling. Run into the ground by overtaxing, over regulation and big unions. Get rid of unions and the politicians that back them. The companies will again flourish including Hollywood.
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I am confused if this is a fake article for April's fools day or a real story.
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Wasn't that some shit? AICN has sold out, like, 8 or 9 times by now. This is getting to be old hat. And there's nothing wrong with file-sharing, since it exposes you to music and movies you probably wouldn't have known about otherwise. Then when you discover something that's special, you'll fork over the dollars to own a better, physical copy of it. Quite simple. The studios are scared shitless, though, because they know 95% of their product isn't worth a pile of dog shit.
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You fucked me up with X-men III, I'll contribute to fuck YOU up on X-men origins.
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I will be there. Not even being able to see it a month early would stop me.
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My mistake. I just assumed because I didn't like it and could only stomach the first 20 minutes, that everyone else felt the same way. I'm assuming that for the most part it's the same as the script which is floating around. God that script was fucking awful.
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People do.
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...because you "can't win". When you give up you end up like China where the only films that get made are prestige pics funded almost exclusively by the State and a non-existent software industry. Anyway what I love is how all the "hardass pirate" types in these talkbacks read like child molesters in training.
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Now it's about Cowtowing to Hollywood and Comprimising Harry you got to start saying Fcuk the establishment if it cost you a interview so be it How much is you credibility worth.
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I think his credibility is worth the admittance of one. About $11 sounds right.
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yes the usa economy would have been better,but the ratio poor/rich would have been decreased?
ofc not.because as ,always,the majority of the pie,aka money,goes to the rich guys,those who control the economy and own the capitals.
do u know that the golden boys of your bank system,get bonuses while everyday more and more american citizens lose their jobs? why do think mr obama turned agaisnt these bank execs and demanded control of their doings?
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a good example of the reality of this world.
the ford and general motors owners,visited mr obama in order to ask his goverment,to help the american automotor industry,now that there is a world wide economy crisis.
people who work in this industry will lose their jobs etc etc.
they aske from mr obama to lend them money in order to strengthen the car industry.several million dollars i think.
whats the funny thing? they travelled to meet mr obama,the usa president,with their super luxe private air jets.u gotta love the irony of it,right?
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Yeh the American economy is in the tank but your still a few years away from being like say Brazil with a wealthy elite and then an extreme poor not a middleclass in sight.My better half wants to adopt from some poor country and was thinking the Eastern bloc but if things get really bad over the pond we might have to rescue a colonial child and bring him/her back to the free world.
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They have 2 reviews of Wolverine posted at www.mymavra.com. That's the website all the Ain't It Cool News talkbackers started. Now that I know it's that cool and it's not even finished, I can't wait to see this movie in the theater.
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Good thing that cop's bullet in X2 didn't get through one of those holes. He'd have woken up and benn like "Shit, who am I? I hate when this happens!! Guess I gotta go to Japan and whine awhile." UTTER SHIT!
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its an exageration how much money it causes a movie to lose.
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Great news. Too bad I won't be able to pirate this POS. Bacci40, can you give me the address of the 7-11 where you'll be handing out copies?
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is in the toilet. Read a newspaper.
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...fail to see how this hurts movies. I'm not captain do-gooder by any means, but those who have downloaded it (and gloated about it here) are not helping movies get made. What do I care, you ask (no doubt posting some ridiculously witty and sarcastic comment)? And your justifications for getting back at fox are absurd...do any of those posters get out of their parent's basement? Contribute anything to the movie business other than being trolls? Doubt it.
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...according to the talkbackers at aintitcool.com
Because if you don't totally condone the illegal process of bootlegging, then you're not 'with it', and enjoy all manner of homoerotic intercourse with the proverbial 'man'!
Get off you're high horses people, and do it NOW. You're embarrassing yourselves and the demeaning the very art form you claim to love so much. -
But only after the first.
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watch the film at a cinema,when its officially released,because i watched the pirated release,and yes the movies sucks badly.
does that make me a stupid person for saving my money,or a bad guy who hurts the film industry?
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I just had a look at Tom Rothman's bio on Wikipedia and found out he's married to Jessica Harper.
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If i download a movie, and it's great, or even just good, i will pay to go see it. This is the same for most people i know using torrents and file sharing. DONT MAKE BAD MOVIES and it wont even be an issue. Piracy will never be stopped, and with the economy going down hill, people cant afford to pay to see shitty movies anymore. Personally, i loved Wolverine and def will pay to see it next month, wish i had the chance every year to preview the summer blockbusters, toned down without effects and such. If the studies were proud of their movie, and embraced the age of the internet...they would make it available, i'd pay an Itunes type fee to preview an unfinished movie.
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Piracy does hurt the film industry, but you know what hurts it more? Shitty Summer blockbusters with no soul, cynically put together by money men who no feel for the art or craft of cinema. These douchebags, and Rothman is merely a turd sitting atop a very large mound of shit, have no respect for the audience OR films in general. The X-Men series was once a pretty solid franchise but, just like many before it, the commerce has taken precedent over the art and the executives are happy to squander the goodwill of the audience.
Wolverine is clearly a bad film, no matter how many flashy effects will be in the final film. Sure, I would have paid to see the thing and now I've saved my money. If it had been decent, or even half decent, I would have happily forked over cash to see it again on the big screen. Now I don't need to do that and I can use that money to go see something else.
That's not hurting the film industry, that's hurting the box office of a shitty film and contributing to the takings of a, potentially, better one. -
Apr 01, 2009 8:12:58 PM CDT
There is no rationale defense of piracy, its just cheap assholes
by dr sauch
Whether you think art should be free or not, if its not your art, and so you don't get to decide whether its free. If someone else makes something, and says you can't have it, and you take it, that's stealing. You can rage on all you want about the corrupt and predatory entertainment industry, but the fact of the matter is, unless you made it, you can't have it for free.
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Wolverine and art form don't even belong in the same sentence. And your comment about piracy and being "with it" is a little short sighted. I constantly download stuff but am not deluded enough to think that my actions aren't illegal, nor do I think I'm any better than someone who doesn't download material. I know my actions are illegal but I choose to do it anyway.
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I don't think art should be free, if the artist wants remuneration for their work.
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But I hope they clean it up in a month. I just skimmed over it, not really watching much. But the finale was god awful. A showdown with Deadpool should've been kind of cool, but was ridiculous. I hope that's the area that's getting some major re shoots.
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If you admit that you just want free shit, that's cool. I want free shit as well. And I don't necessarily respect the artistic merit of fucking "wolverene," and its not like i'm taking money from starving artists if i download it, but to say that there is some meritorious reason to steal shit is absurd.
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Apr 01, 2009 8:22:27 PM CDT
InfiniteRegress, I totally agree. Wolverene is prob. a shitty m
by dr sauch
But that doesn't mean its okay to steal it. It's no less of a crime to steal a Honda Civic than a Ferrari.
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Apr 01, 2009 8:22:39 PM CDT
What about that person that was NEVER gonna pay to watch this?
by darfurontherocks
....I am just wondering how much a DL hurts a film that a person would not even spend a rental on?
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Just for clarification, copyright infringement is not the same as stealing. Copyright is a chose in action. It's intangible property. To equate copyright infringement to stealing is theoretically and legally incorrect.
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Apr 01, 2009 8:25:26 PM CDT
Those BluRay Rips off Rapidshare are sooooooo enticing....
by darfurontherocks
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I guess in that case, downloading would have the effect of whatever your opinion on the product was. The effect would be through either positive or negative comments to others.
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They are just looking to create some buzz on the street for this movie among the press and the public. I'd bet everything on it that Fox leaked it themselves!
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The fuckers at Wall Street and Detroit are getting rewarded for mismanagement and outright thief.... Who cares if some one downloads a movie?
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Apr 01, 2009 8:31:58 PM CDT
Some cannot afford to watch 15 movies on Summer Blockbuster Seas
by darfurontherocks
Tickets are expensive.... And I am not talking popcorn... Maybe an individual would pay to watch 5 top summer flicks and then DL the rest.... I don't know... I am not saying it is right.... But this is what happens. No one can contest that the cinema experience is superior. But damn it is getting expensive.
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I download movies. I especially like workprints, I like the look behind the scenes of the process. I also spend about £1000 a year on cinema tickets, the same again on DVDs, scores and published screenplays, so fuck anyone who says I'm hurting the industry.
At the end of every calendar year every award-tipped film is hugely widely available in perfect DVD clarity, ripped from Awards screeners, weeks or months before they hit the cinemas, and they still deliver box office bank. This last winter you could download Slumdog, Gran Torino, Milk, The Wrestler, Benjamin Button, The Reader, Revolutionary Road and a load of others before any of them hit a cinema. Did it cause them all to flop? Did it fuck.
What cause flops is bad reviews and bad word of mouth, both of which this piece of shit will receive if there is any justice in the world - I'm not going to review it here, but suffice it to say... Christ. Just... Christ. I want to weep for what the creators of Deadpool must be going through right now.
Anyway, the alarmist rantings of the anti-privacy moral high horse brigade are just as flawed as the wannabe-anarchist, fuck money, everything should be free piracy supporters. The cinemas are full and yet the files are being downloaded over and over - the two things are barely related.
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Fox isn't helping movies get made either. If you had seen this thing you'd know.
Oh, and Beaks: Thank god there's members of "Pro Audiences" around here like you. Go fuck yourself. -
The fact that some of the effects are finished, I reckon that when it was being delivered to another effects house, the courier took a detour to his/her PC and made a quick copy... I still wouldn't have gone to the cinema to see it anyway...
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Well said. At last, an intelligent response. I'm of the exact same opinion.
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Well, the first 20 minutes is great as everyone has conceded. I'm still watching it so I we'll see how the rest turns out. I'll definitely pay to see this movie to support super hero movie cause.
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Guys, shotgun slinger has basically said everything I wanted to say in relation to supply/demand and how films are consumed, supported and ultimately how franchises survive or perish. Whereas I have an almost sadomasochist affinity for Marvel screen translations, I will see Woverine, though I can't help but think that film will fail, regardless of how the geek community sees it. Best guess says there can be only two outcomes for the film: It opens big and the casual Wolverine fans, along with random action junkies give Wolverine a modest opening, after which word of mouth will all but sink it thereafter or (more likely) Wolverine may very well mark the one time I saw a fan community's outright revolt against one suit (Tom Rothman) actually slaughter a film's chance right out of the gate. And Fox? Oh well, you know what they'll say. "It was pirates I tell you! They killed our film!"...watch their board buy that too.
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I'm sure he's actually thrilled with the way Deadpool turned out.
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If I order a meal that sucks, I get my money back. Until we get something like that for movies, this is the best way to protect yourself. Prophylactic Piracy
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Its copyright infringement Not stealing your taking anything away and trust me your still spending your time watching it and there no refund on time of life you'll waste.
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Your statement is straight up false. They don't even target more substantial crimes that affect a greater number of people. Fraud being a case in point. In fact, most of the banks and insurance companies that were engaging in massive fraud have been rewarded for their crimes. This a crime that you should prosecute...Right after you get done with crimes which actually harm people. Torrenting in the western world has little effect on financial returns. Anyone saying otherwise is a straight up liar. Pirating throughout eastern europe and asia is different, but the arguement there is that the products they pirate are actually out priced for them anyway, and wouldn't be consumed. Also, the U.S. losing out due to intellectual property being so easy to pirate? Boo Hoo. You shouldn't have been so fucking stupid to start to center your economy around something that doesn't exsist. It's really hard to care at this point. You have no problem enslaving people in the third world to make products for you to sell at massively inflated prices so that bottom feeders in your country can have a luxurious standard of living, yet you want to begrudge a third world from using products designed by you, even though there is no way in hell they would ever be able to afford them anyway. Sauch, your talking out of your ass. If you read my posts, you know its not about free shit. I'd be happy to rock up and my multiplex and pay the 20 dollars to see Let The Right One In or All The Boys Love Mandy Lane. I'm not happy to pay 50 dollars a pop, wait a month, to take a chance on the flicks. Distribution companies, especially thouse like Miramax, don't respect the consumer, and as such, no one gives a shit when they get pirated. Look at Grindhouse, another film I downloaded. I'd happily pay 40 dollars to see it at the cinema (which ended up happening about a year after its release and the flop of Death Proof) yet The Weinstein company decided they didn't want Australians to see the movie. I don't get how the theft (of which they wouldn't notice) of a film they didn't want to sell me anyway matters. Nicodemus07 - Its not just the talkbackers who condone it, its just that some of us do it. Its the owners of the site who are actively making large amounts of money off of copyright infringement and bootlegging and intellectual property theft. Darth_Inedible - I hope your a studio lackey, because your post makes zero sense. China has a fucking huge film industry, funded by private sources. Software industry non exsistant? In a country where the government is actively opposed to tele-communications? No shit?
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...To respond to all the anti-piracy people on the board, I can just spam two titles over and over. Gran Torino. Taken. Gran Torino. Taken. Gran Torino. Taken.
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I know you're probably going to say it's a cliche, but you really ARE taking money from starving artists when you download it. Every 'assistant' whose job it was to get coffee for the big dogs who has aspirations to be a filmmaker is a starving artist you're taking money from. And another thing: Art is Art. Wether you agree with that or like it or not. The writer of this movie wrote something that he believed in. Gavin Hood did everything in his power to make this a respectable film. Heck, every production designer, costumer, and storyboard artist made ART that deserves to be respected. Just because every genre movie isn't Citizen Kane doesn't give you the right to decry it's very existence.
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I'll pay for it when I want to see it.
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grow some balls AICN
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they go together like peanut butter and chocolate
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I'll point you towards China's flourishing software and film industry... Oh. Or how about every other country's pharmaceutical industry that either steals or licenses our stuff. Yea, what a horrible plague on humanity the concept of intellectual property is.
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"but you really ARE taking money from starving artists when you download it." "Every 'assistant' whose job it was to get coffee for the big dogs who has aspirations to be a filmmaker is a starving artist you're taking money from." They aren't starving artists. They are tea boys. I'm not taking money from them, Hugh Jackmans unjustifiable 15 million dollar pay cheque is. The fact that they are a completely unnecessary part of the film industry...a leach if you will, doesn't help either. In fact, if them being fired could lower the price of tickets, I'd be all for it. "Wether you agree with that or like it or not. The writer of this movie wrote something that he believed in. Gavin Hood did everything in his power to make this a respectable film. Heck, every production designer, costumer, and storyboard artist made ART that deserves to be respected." I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but everything you said is false. This film sucks. Thats why the leak is bad. Because everyone now knows it stinks. The people involved in the film DONT deserve to be respected, because they didn't do everything in the power to make a good film. They did everything they could to piss out a sub par product and walk away with a cheque based on the original artists good work in building a fanbase. This isn't Brazil or something similar, where, wether you thought it was good or bad, you could see a large amount of effort went into making it a great film. This is lazy hackwork by people making an easy buck off others hard work. The little people on the set, those who have no control over how the product turns out, well, they can go and do equally meaningless tasks on any other production. Do you think they hold the boom operator resonspible for the financial failure of a movie? There were quality work prints of the last Star Wars film doing the rounds weeks before its release. It didn't hurt, because people wanted to watch it. This is tenuous, because this film has looked like shit from the very beginning. If word is that it is shit, people might be relcutant to spend their money on it. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. If Fox really cared, they wouldn't have allowed the film to be leaked. Its not that hard in actuality. The idea that this was a deliberate leak from someone in the chain, either to deflect the upcoming financial disaster, or simply a disgruntled employee is likely, but if you have a decent product, you shouldn't fret. But, like most studios, they know they have a giant pile of shit they are trying to hoodwink the audience with, and are now sweating. tl;dr if you are worried about Australian film crews losing work, don't bitch about piracy, bitch about Brad Pitt pulling the plug at the last minute on an effects film, because he feels like having a holiday in france or wherever the fuck. Also gotta ask, how often is Beaks in melbourne, Australia? I mean, if its his friends losing work over this leak?
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If I see it, I'll pay to do it.
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Reality Check:Movie Companies make more money on DVD sales than on the theatrical runs of their movies.Watchmen is going to make Warner Bros. more money on the DVD sales.F*** you Rothman.
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Watching a copy of Wolverine in no way takes money from an assisant who worked on it. The assisant has been paid for their employment, and they no longer have any financial link to the film. It's questionable if it even takes money away from the studio considering I had no intention of going to the theater to see it. You're right that "Art is Art", it was merely my poor attempt at humour when I said that Wolverine and art form don't belong in the same sentence. Artistic merit is of course no basis for awarding copyright. I wasn't decrying the existence of Wolverine, I was just saying that I thought it was terrible. I'm not saying the world would be better off if it never existed, but it would certainly be better off if the film was better than it is.
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You mean like how U.S. firms move into India, and put a patent on local seeds, thereby cutting out the actual producers from making money from their own product? Chinas flourishing film industry? Are you joking or what? For a country with such a massive disparity between the rich and poor, like India, the fact that they produce more filmed entertainment than the U.S. is pretty impressive. Intellectual property is a fucking stupid idea to be invested in. Its like having the plans for fire. You think people are going to cease making fire once they know how, simply because they don't have a lisence? Invest in sticks and kindling, not the process. This is all a moot point in relation to the subject at hand anyway.
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if this movie sucks or not; I still have the original graphic novel and the complete mini series that I bought when I was 7. Wolvie was a lot cooler before Hugh Jackman
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...Would be more suited to the idea of Warner Brothers stealing the script and pre production notes/art for Wolverine, and shooting the same film starring Russell Crowe.
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CGI, new footage, and a new score will not save this movie. Is it really that hard to take a graphic novel and flesh it out a little more. The changes to deadpool were horrible, let alone the horse crap that is the story.
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we do,and what we do is make shitty movies."
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...for trying to fuck with Watchmen. Karma's a sexy bitch sometimes.
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"Oh, it performed poorly because it was leaked." In someone's coked-up world, that was a smart call. I really wanted this movie to be great, what a disappointment. I mean c'mon, Liev Schrieber is a great actor. Paired with ackman, they should be tearing the screen apart, not squinting at each other in a coquettish fashion. Bring on Fantastic Four 3: Tokyo Drift. I don't give a flying fuck about Fox projects no more. I'll cut you, Fox.
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Checked you-know-where and yes, there it is available for download. The pirates who did this timed it exquisitely because those who will report this happened will be suspected of playing a prank.
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Apr 01, 2009 9:57:56 PM CDT
A response to the empty rhetoric of the nobility police
by industrykiller!
what kind of bullshit is this preaching anyway? "Whaaaahhhh People could lose their livelihoods whaaaaahhhh!!!!!" Bullshit. Everyone who worked on this film is already getting paid. It's not like they are gonna shut down what little pre-production (which is probably none) that they have left and screw these VFX guys out of their money. Or they'll ask the marketing team to return their paychecks. The ONLY people who stands to lose from this directly are big shot producers and actors taking money of the back end. And you know what, straight up, fuck 'em. I'm tired of this hollywood blockbuster pap that hits the streets every summer and is barely watchable garbage that easily entertained automatons lap up like mother milk regardless of the quality. And I'm even more tired of them doing it to films that utilize characters I have an affection for. I don't want this film to succeed. I didn't before the leak, I don't want it to after, and that is a PERFECTLY REASONABLE stance to take.
"WHAAHHHH If it fails it should fail on merit of it's quality not piracy WHAHHH!!!!" Nope, fuck you. The studios have made some kind of idiot faustian pact with the American public wherein if the film costs above 100 million and stars a comic book character the public MUST turn out in droves. It's a literally no fail situation for the studio. Well I want that to change, and if it changes, just this ONE time, then good. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving film. If the movie does poorly then maybe we get less X3's and more Irons Man/Dark Knight. If it succeeds we get more crap. There is no fucking way this isn't a good thing and aside from arbitrary moral standards no one has argued otherwise.
"But WHHAHHH all these people worked so hard WHAHHH!!!" Yes they did, but what stands out int he context of time is the quality of the work, not the god damn box office. That is just one tiny part of a films life. Those people still have every ounce of the work they put into it, it's all up there on screen. NOTHING was robbed from them so stop saying otherwise. Oh God forbid they get to see it for free. Well if it's art, and they already got payed, they shouldn't care. The point is people WILL see it, in some form. This isn't some little indie flick that could, it's a massive summer blockbuster, so no one is getting robbed of their recognition.
"WHHHAAHHH the lack of revenue is bad for the film industry WHHAHHHH" Yeah, but what if hte industry doesn't deserve that revenue? So now every film should do well on merit of a bad economy? Horseshit. Just like the downturn will force Ford to stop making shitty cars, some studios should be FORCED to make better pictures, and hot damn if Fox ain't the grandaddy of 'em all. They have it coming all the way around. Besides they WILL make big money on this film. The amount it will dent the box office will be negligible, unless bad word of mouth spread, in which case good riddance. But DVD and toy revenues will more than make up for it. Fox is going to turn a profit no matter what. So just sit back and have a coke and a smile and be happy that you saved some money. -
Apr 01, 2009 10:02:17 PM CDT
Industry, this is what makes me laugh all the more...
by whinynegativebitch
...We have Beaks, and no doubt some other folks from L.A. complaining that pirating Wolverine could cost friends jobs. Funnily enough, they seem to completely ignore the fact that their friends already lost work because greedy assholes like Fox took their production to Australia. Of course, the executives and above the line folk are still getting paid more than ever before.
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GOOD. Anything I can do to help the existing studio system fail, I'll do it. People will still make movies, even if Hollywood is reduced to a smoking crater in the Earth... the only difference is, they might actually be movies worth watching, rather than just test marketed tentpole brand name cash-grabs. Thanks for the tip, Beaks, I'll help seed this.
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...Its like someone comaplaining that their friends who make Nike shoes will lose jobs, because of knock offs, despite the fact that they already lost their job because greedy pieces of shit already moved the production base to china.
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...I have several friends who work in the television industry, and they ALL download and watch flicks. They don't care, cause they get paid regardless, and production wont stop because THEY ARE MAKING MORE MONEY THAN EVER BEFORE.
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They want you hungry for those missing effects. Put out an unfinished film to get you disgusted with yourself for downloading it, so you go and pay for it.
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You should all be good citizens . Watch the trailers belive all the hype this film is really good ! Go out and buy the fast food meals and all the action figures this movie is good . Go to the cinema and watch even more adverts after paying for over priced junk food then watch this and convice yourself its good it really is good . And then pay full price for a film on dvd you have already paid to see at the cinema which cost less than one percent of what it sells for . This movie is good . Do not downlown this film or even attempt to watch it for free . Mr hollywood will suffer he wont be able to buy his wife more fake tits or get himself a third house . Get your money out . We are free !
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The films is wrapped, its all over. If the studio doesnt make money its because they made a bad film and then......well thats the industry. It's a comic book movie, none of these actors are gonna be judged in the films performance save for Jackman, and his star power is sealed. Any VFX guys that worked on this are gonna get other jobs just fine. Everyone else has already wrapped their time on the film and moved on. Casting, grips, lighting, gophers, they are all long on other projects. This film's performance as far as piracy is concerned isn't going to sink Fox in any way. That's all reactionary bullshit.
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..by this.An action/comic book movie like this expects big overseas ticket sales. Piracy will certainly hurt on that front.
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Battlestar Galactica came on tv and we didnt have to pay to watch it . I gladly paid for all the boxsets how lucky are we ? Support quality :) im not even gonna bother watching this wovlerine film because i dont have any money left i gave it all to george lucas and now im living in a box on the street :)
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Make better movies and I'll stop illegally downloading them is an infantile argument if I've ever heard one. I am a filmmaker and can tell you that this, whether it's a small film, medium or large film, hurts.
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It's true. It sucks.
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Well said my man.
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Thank you for your well reasoned response. One correction: I know you weren't the one decrying the existence of Wolverine, but most every other 'pro-piracy' fellow on here was. That was what I was referring to.
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Because that is what this is all about. It hurts sure, but it hurts with Wolverine for purely monetary reasons. No one who made this could possibly have thought they were making a great Wolverine film, and if they did then they are morons. With a small film reputations that arent already cemented in the Hollywood fabric are at stake, that is just flat out NOT the case here. This is a bad comic book film that people will come out to see if its good. and if its not good then it doesnt deserve it.
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its on the net....once on the net, it stays there forever delete it from all the sites that you want...someone on justintv will be playing that sucker 24/7plus, it is now up on all the torrent sites, and techincally, a torrent is not a full copy of anythingfuck you fox...WE ARE IN CONTROL....EAT SHIT AND DIE YOU MONEY GRUBBING FUCKS
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ill bet theyre AWESOME. i feel compelled to add that i think wolverine was the best movie ever made...
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...is the amazing amount of hatred and venom directed at the film industry. Yes, Hollywood is not producing that great of product right now, but if you don't like it just don't see it. No one says who have to see movies, and no one said that having affordable entertainment is some kind of fundamental right. The way some people talk here is that you think it is in the Constitution that Hollywood should supply us with films for free.
As for myself, I walk the talk. I barely see any new Hollywood releases (have yet to see Watchmen or about a dozen other heavily promoted movies on AICN) because I doubt they will be any good. When I want to see a movie and nothing I want to see is playing, I go rent/buy an older one or else I go to the Egyptian, New Beverly or another revival house and see a classic. -
liefeld stole deadpool from dc, where he was called deathstroke from the teen titans knowing this, fabian nicieza changed the character into a jerk future writers turned him into a walking, talking injoke who cares what liefeld thinks...man is a hack who cant draw feet
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This isn't a good movie overall. Hugh Jackman isn't the same Hugh Jackman that played Wolverine in X1 & X2. He's not into this character anymore, you can tell he's only in it for the paycheck. And this director is as a fucking hack. Gavin Hood another Tim Story, why does Fox and Sony continue to hire these hacks? What a sad day for comic book geeks. Oh well, I'm hoping the final version will address the plethora of problems plaugeing this film, worst of all, the acting is atrocious, and I blame that squarely on the hack ass director Gavin Shithood. What a travesty. This shit is 10 times worst then X3, this shit makes X3 look like X2. I'm so frigging pissed right now. Star Trek is going to obliterate this shit into the next star system.
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sounds like-like-like-I really can't wrap my head around it. Why? WHY? WHY WOULD THEY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? Guys, come on. Everyone, we are all, collectively, being jerked around for the amusement of...I don't know, Rothman or Satan or a group of suits who read these like I used to and roar with laughter. Since I've signed up a lot of shit has gone down, and I just can't be one of those douchey trolls (well, sometimes I can. What? It's fun!). But for real, fellow geeks, dorks, nerds and film buffs- we've got to help bring Fox down any way we can. This is just ridiculous. I think we might have to *gasp* work together on this one.
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Piracy is ethically wrong, and legally wrong, yes.
Overindulgent, overpaid actors and industry figureheads is also unethical. It just doesn't have the benefit of being legally wrong, and that's the problem with our world.
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Apr 01, 2009 10:44:06 PM CDT
It's hard to stop 20 million people from doing something
by orionsangels
You can't being lawsuits to 20 million people. You have to get it at it's source. Crack down the ones supplying these pirated movies. Someone is obviously leaking them online.
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hahaha...Deadpool def looks like Barracka...cute!
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look, i can understand going after outfits that pirate movies and make profit off of selling dvd's but file sharing is what we have done since we were kids who hasnt borrowed a record to make a tape? wtf do people think why dvd and cd burners were made, and dual vcrs?? the concept of going after people not making profit from sharing files is totally absurd whats worse is companies going after sites like youtube for posting video clips of songs, movies and tv shows that cant be found anywhere else and are not available on dvd last nite, i watched a couple of epis of an old kids show, here come the doubledeckers the show is not available on dvd/bluray or video tape technically, its still piracy...but who the fuck are we stealing from? i never intended on going to see wolverine, or buying the dvd...so fox didnt lose any money on meand fuck the man...he dont pay my bills
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And the probability of him coming back in any capacity is nil. This franchise is dead folks. Now their making a Twilight X-Men with mutant teenie boppers. What a fucking disgrace. Marvel, please get the rights back to this franchise. They've had the license now for 10 fucking years. How much more time have to allow these imbeciles at Fox to ass rape your characters.
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I know it's April fools and such, but if that's true....
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A work print won't be an improvement.
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I'm downloading it as I type this. I'll be porting the movie over to my iTouch and I'll watch it tomorrow during my gym time. Point is, I don't give a flying fuck about FOX, Hugh Jackman, Ryan Reynolds, or anyone who runs AICN...fuck 'em IMO
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a big opening weekend because the movie shits on the fans. They are actually mad their hustle didnt work. FUCK YOU FOX YOU DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE FANS. how hard is it to stay true to the material. thats what we love thats what we want. You made the most heated rivalry in comics into a touching brotherly moment at the end of the film.
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that when the "wire-fu" in a preview looks shitty the movie invariably is shitty as well..I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone "jump real high and kind of awkwardly" in a preview and said to myself "wow, this movie will suck"...and it always does....I think there's a direct correlation...based on this, I'm not surprised if this sucks...I feel like all, the previews had shitty looking jumping...am I the only one?
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but they would have to do it in old school style...patterned after the kirby/lee comics, and making the prof more of an evil controlling character they wont, so ya, the movie will suck ass
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but they would have to do it in old school style...patterned after the kirby/lee comics, and making the prof more of an evil controlling character they wont, so ya, the movie will suck ass
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Wolverine and Sabertooth's catch phrase:Bro's before Ho's(Silver Fox)
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...on ALL piracy is one way to deal with it.Granted, it's a crime for anyone to leak a print. But if equal weight in punishment is afforded when some unethical suit or "creative" type steals from someone else's script, treatment/synopsis, independently produced/unreleased film or whatever, it would likely have a chilling effect on piracy and benefit the industry as a whole.Bottom line is that any industry is hurt when individuals who provide a resource do not benefit from their efforts due unethical behavior of others. Just look at the Madoff scandal.
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to not avail yourself of the newest technology is just silly why did sites like itunes get started? because of napster and other file sharing sites the dinasour media with the help of congress and law enforcement have chosen to fight rather than join in the new age it is the duty of all consumers to force them into the 21st century in 5-10 years, there will not be cable or satellite...all media will stream in hd quality...and studios will have to give the consumer the choice of watching at home or going to the theater but this wont happen if people like you just kick back and accept your lot in life...eff the man....THE REVOLUTION WONT BE TELEVISED...IT WILL BE STREAMED IN HIDEF
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Leak or no leak, ill wait for the
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Also Deadpools mouth is sewn shut taking away his nickname "merc with a mouth", has an combination of all the mutants powers and can teleport as well as shoot optic blasts like Cyclops. He actually delivers about 5 lines in the whole film too. SPOILER...yeah he dies too so that eliminates any chance of a spinoff.
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their stuff pirated, then don't let it leak. It is that fucking simple. Once it's out in the wild it's fair game.
While I sympathize with the little guy when an industry reaches a tipping point and starts to collapse (like the automotive industry) it is hard for me to sympathize with the big fish such as Jim Gianopoulos and the like who are living a life of EXTREME excess (if anyone has been to a Hollywood party you know what I'm getting at) and who will be just fine if the studio he manages falls on hard times.
It just reinforces people's belief that viewing stolen copyrighted material is OK... Especially when FOX puts out press releases judging people who view the video that is streamed online – as if to imply it was the viewers fault that their workprint wasn’t distributed they way they intended.
!SPOILER!
Oh and by the way... the Darth Maul inspired death scene in this load of poop is really half assed. In addition, so is a character getting "pushed" to where they want to jump to by the force of an explosion. That is very gay as well and oh so 90s.
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Star Trek leak is REAL i'm just watching it, about halfway through and it's AMAZING! I'm just at the scene where young Kirk meets old Spot on the Ice Planet "Perastaltic" (no idea if that's spelled right). It's a really respectful scene with lots of nods to the old shows. Spock has a kind of monologue where he explains exactly what happened wo change the timeline. Oh my God!! He just said live long and prosper! Geekgasm after geekgasm guys!
But the stuff i liked best so far is in the very beginning. Spock's mum and Kirk's mum actually meet aboard a rescue ship and have a little bonding with lots of foreshadowing - amazing scene and great showcast for Winona Ryder who KICKS ASS as Spock's mum. The scenes with young Kirk are great too! He's a really cute kid and doesn't afrait of ANYTHING!!!!1 -
Is it's really only ' illegal ' in America, and a few else. Sure, there are these supposed ' international laws ' and shit, but come on. If the U.S. govt. could get away with that line of logic in their rendition policy, what's to stop a fricking bootleg ?
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I have been watching movies for awhile now, since the days of having to stand in line to watch a movie, having to reserve a VHS copy when it was released, etc. I did all of that. Total fan of good cinema and will let you know when something sucks. Lately, movies suck. Too much CGI and most of it is not even needed in films. Tired of seeing cars thrown at people and they get up without a scratch, Victoria Secret models who weigh 100 pounds kick boxing men three times their size and not even breaking their hands, the list goes on. This Wolverine movie should not shock anyone. Hugh Jackman got paid, this was his production company, he read the script, cashed the check, filmed this steaming pile and will laugh as the money rolls in. I cannot even begin to tell you the faults in this flick. The XMen franchise was doomed after X2. Greed is not good and the over saturation of bad comic book movies will be the end. Maybe this is what the true intention was. FOX, fuck off and die, please.
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just watched...god awful. i weep for fans of deadpool and decent comic movies.let's see apologist mod's try to spin this trainwreck.
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that protect some multinational corporations business interests? Ya know..like contribute to the New World order or eavesdrop illegally on some kid playing Halo online who happens to be name Mohammad? I'm not saying "piracy" in necessarily right..but nothing pisses me off than some Big Corp or worse, their lap dogs in Washington, threatening people. Fuck You Fox..and your Buddies in D.C. I hope the Confiker Bunny left a few eggs in your baskets.
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KARMA is a bitch and she just cheated on you with your sister.
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looks like everyone here that watched it hated it. But I can't trust you jaded mofos, it's probably not that bad. I watched the first 10 or so minutes though and it was kind of 'meh.'
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You know, Harry, I never downloaded this flick. I wasn't planning on it either. But this? Well, it goes beyond the pale. You're supporting the absolute worst of the corporate mentality by advocating Fox's side on this to the extent you just did. With that in mind, I'm done supporting AICN. I'm outta here. So long Harry. It was nice knowing you till you chose to act in this manner. I'm done.
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screw you anticipation I want it now next week give me TF2 and T4 and well that'd be ok
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but the story, acting, and tone still fell bellow X2.
If they aren't bullshitting about the rumored changes, edits, and extra characterization (especially with Deadpool) they added during reshoots, it could be a good film. But there are some big things they likely couldn't manipulate that were a bit cringe worthy.
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Wasn't even thinking that angle, but yeah Fox had this coming the way they dicked WB re: watchmen
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Overseas sales? This flick is gonna be day and date in most areas where it counts. Its not gonna affect overseas sales anymore than domestic. Asia, middle east? Perhaps...But then again, they pirate the fuck out of this shit already anyway. Contielope...If I wasn't going to pay to see the movie anyway, how does watching it for free make a difference? Also NoHubris, having a zero tolerance policy would mean we couldn't discuss this issue because AICN would be smack out of business.
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Our corp. masters throw us bones and shit. One site I found the movie on had one 100,000 views for the day, that is close to 1 million is cheddar lost. And explain it away its poor quality with "rough cut, missing effcts, temp music" cant save the aboration that is this movie. FBI and MPAA in the same sentance makes me.......so happy.
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And not in an April Fool's way. In a bullshit about it being a "leak" and that it'll affect this movie's box office performance in any way.
I think that the studios are catching on to how finicky and whiny a healthy portion of the audiences are for these movies, so they leaked the movie themselves to see what people like and what they don't like so they could essentially let their audience edit it.
They have listened to every person who bitched about X3 and even Watchmen, and they're trying to get this one as close to right as they can.
The best way to do that would be to release (leak) an incomplete early draft of this movie and see what the fanboys have to say about it. They're going to cut and then re-edit the whole thing to please as many people as possible. Mark my words. I'm not always right, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one.
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And who the fuck cares about Fox and their PG-13 bullshit movies?
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Oh i've seen genocide advocators here alright, almost the norm here especially in political tbs.
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I was simply suggesting zero tolerance for the unethical few inside the industry who shamelessly steal from true artists and creative people without batting an eye.In other words, it's a very big deal when someone pirates a whole movie, but barely a voice is raised when the little person's work - treatment, synopsis, script, or independent film (without distribution)- is raided for material by the vultures. It is wrong on both ends but is not treated as such IMHO.Scoops, film coverage and cool news are a different story entirely. I'm all for a free press, especially internet news.
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new interview with ryan reynolds says if they decide to do deadpool right he would love to play him. This ends any hope for reshoots saving this peice of shit. I thought i was mad a spiderman 3. Cant we sue or arrest FOX for trying to trick us into seeing this movie. Its misrepresentation. Its theft what they were doing not the pirating. Pirating is good for a good movie, it creates buzz sinsations like taken and gran torino. What FOX tried to do is criminal.
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had creative rights. Im telling you he was forced to use Ryan Reynolds in the movie and was scared of the next 4 xmen movies centered around him and not jackman. He destroyed any hope of that and left himself open to receive the next big xmen paycheck
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...In Sydney papers just recently. He stated that the final creative decisions on the film rested with him. He chose the cast and crew. He's no Bob Fosse, thats for sure.
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This is nothing new...
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I think someone should put out a case of movies not keeping their side of the bargain ie being shitty -- in that case, who is suing Fox, Warner, or whomever ? Why do we have to pay to see shit movies that don't entertain ?
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...That rewards mass theft and fraud and corruption. You think people are going to take the moral high ground on watching a shitty movie for free, especially from a studio that has pissed on its consumers time and again in the last decade. Just like ripping them off with the new Slumdog DVD.
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they cant just send you a different item with a label from the item you ordered. Thats against the law. Isnt that exactly what Fox tried to do.
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The way this industry is retailed...we pay before we even get a taste...are rare is the theater that will refund your money.By having the customer pay after the movie...it holds those that make it accountable...like a great chef. In any restaurant worth going too...If the Food stinks..you complain a few bites into the dish..and you either walk out or get a new plate that is too your liking. ONLY the cinema makes you pay up front for something that may be pure shit, and laughs as you walk out poorer and cheated. 90% of the time when they release a clunker, which is often these days, they know is sucks..they know it will die 2 weeks into its run..and yet they market the shit out of it...get it to recoup its losses on release and hope for DVD sales. They KNOW they are fucking the audience...and they..don't fucking care. Well Fuck them...I'll get my taste from Lime, or Piratebay, or emule...or from some punk Korean kid who stole it somewhere...and if I like it on the laptop..THEN I'll go see it properly in the movie house. But No more will I pay up front to be insulted and cheated like I have been lately...Hollywood...you and me are DONE professionally..Fucking Ass
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I thought all this talk of awful was the usual talkback hyperbole, but no, it really is that bad. A horrible mess of a story with some bad acting to boot. Sadly, 14 minutes will NOT save the film. Now I can see why Fox is so pissed! Oh, and whoever said this was better than X3 must have been watching a different movie.
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oh yeah i forgot even though it sucked it made more money than any other movie that year. They learned a lesson that movie premise and a good trailer is all you need. They actually stole the fomula used in spiderman3.
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No major villain was killed by running into a wall or by the power of love. Less wolverine crying too. but being better than x3 is not an acomplishment sir.
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And piracy is currently killing all print media and creeping up on film and gaming. There are virtually no independent music stores left; just Walmarts and Targets as far as the eye can see. And why? Because teenage fucktwits seem to think that what entertains them should be perpetually free. It don't work that way, kiddies. Someone needs to actually get paid or the fucking media doesn't get made. Borders should be gone within the month. The Chicago-Sun Times filed for bankruptcy. All stemming from the scourge that is the internet and the basement dwelling douchebags that can't understand that if you STEAL the media, the media will soon no longer exist for you to bitch about. Not unless you're seriously into the homegrown shit that's on waste-of-space sites like Youtube. I loathe what the internet has done to popular culture - absolutely loathe it. Look at the pathetic state of the music industry. That is exactly where the film industry is heading in an exceedingly short time. If the "sampling" argument for piracy were true, then the music stores should be booming right about now. But they're not. Why? Because the digital file is now the end-product. Why buy physical, when the digital copy is "just as good?" Why pay iTunes for something we can torrent for free. When the end-product and the "sample" eventually merge into the same thing, the industry dies. Mark my words, this is already happening with film. It's only going to get worse over time.
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Know what it's not done, Do they need to expand on the Deadpool character YES!!! I hope they will with this extra footage they took back in Jan. Know what if anyone did see it take it like a screentest and go from there post some comments that will hopefully help this movie. I'm a HUGE Wolvie Fan and I REALLY WANT TO LIKE THIS MOVIE! but if Fox, Warner Bros., Sony, whoever, needs to aim at a certain genre or fanbase then please let us in on the production part of the movie making experience. Know what we will be the ones either loving or hating the film. Why not HEAR our input? Why not ask for our thoughts and opinions. FOX you should freely let the fans see an early screening of the movies you are making directed toward this group of fans via the web were we will all have our say in the matter. Wolverine is one of these flicks. Maybe, JUST maybe WE wont have such an adverse and condemning taste in our mouths everytime we hear you are producing product that we hold dear. This leak sux but know what learn from it and don't hide something that can eventually be better if and only IF you (FOX and the others I mentioned earlier) are willing to admit you don't know everything about OUR GENRE, OUR Geekdom and let us at least voice our opinions. Just listen you might learn something! Gracias.
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Piracy helps the music industry. By industry i mean the bands. Piracy spreads the music around more than a 10 dollar cd does so when the band comes to town it sells out faster than ever prompting more tour stops and raking in insane amounts of cash. Way more than 10 bucks per person. and more money goes to the artist.
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thats something youll never forget and well worth the chunk of change
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Apr 02, 2009 1:38:19 AM CDT
gruntybear..The only thing Dead about the Music business..
by conspiracy
is the Business end of it...which has been dying since long before the Normal folks invaded the net my friend. The artists never made SQUAT from sales to begin with...they make 70% of their income from TOURING, and live performance. So Piracy isn't hurting the artist...it is hurting the Douchebags who sell .50cent wholesale CDs for $14.95. It isn't hurting the producers, the roadies, the session guys, the promotions people or the guy who give Bono his Wheat Grass Enema before the show...it IS however killing the VP and A&R heavy Suits...the guys who tell the artist to "pop" it up and make it accessible to the average retard. And I say Good riddance...that isn't Capitalism..that is a subsidized monopoly. From now on...the Producer and artist will release direct to the net...probably for free...and once their music is out there and people are demanding more..get down to the business of touring and making their money. All that the Artist and Consumer have done here is what good Capitalists have always done..look for advantage, cut out the middleman(the army of lawyers,A&R guys,and corporate VP's) and let the market decide price and how and when it is too be paid. And I've been FUCKED one too many times by Hollywood to get teary eyed over some pirate forewarning me away from their latest shit fest. I'm glad this leaked...I'm glad it is being universally picked apart...Why? I just saved $12 and about 2 hours of my life..thats why...If only I'd had this type of warning with Cloverfuck. Color me retarded...but I am not going to get upset that Fox was cheated out of cheating me out of a few bucks to watch their crappy film.
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back then it took like 5 weeks to download.
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WOW after viewing the piece of buffalo shit, I may never return to Fox's X-men series again. Deadpool got FUCKED!
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You think piracy killed the print media. How about the fact that you can get the news instantly from pretty much anywhere via the internet, or you can wait until next morning and get the news 12 hours late. Advances in technology is killing print media, and that's a good thing.
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For years a lot of us have been paying hard-earned cash to see movies. We have paid way too much for dvd's or VHS tapes. All this was money in the pocket for those pervert, childmolesting, cokesniffing, cocksucking, whore fucking, assfucked assholes in suits who think the world belongs to them. Internet has become the day of reckoning and I like every second of it. If a movie is good people will support it anyhow.
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That's bullshit and you know it. 99% of the artists that have any marquee value - EVEN TODAY - got where they got because of the "evil" studio system. You would seriously consign musicians to essentially holding their hat out at live shows to make their livings from this point forward? The myth that you've apparently bought into that the artists see little to none of the profits from recorded media is just that: a fucking myth, and a REALLY TIRED ONE AT THAT. There are innumerable alternative revenue streams these days for artists to make bank from their recorded catalog. To say they should not receive a share of the revenue that ought to be generated from these "loss leaders" is doing a disservice to the musicians, themselves. Piracy can't be justified as a righteous punishment to the "greedy" corporate overlords. It's cheap bastards using technology to "get theirs," while fucking over a huge portion of the industry that works the middle - the technicians, the tour managers, the roadies, the sound engineers, the album design teams, etc., etc.
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Apr 02, 2009 1:55:27 AM CDT
And CRanga, where does that "news" come from, if no one pays?
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The bloggers leach from legitimate journalists who are paid to go into places like Afghanistan and Pakistan to actually report the news. Where do you think the bloggers get their information? 'Cuz I don't see them sticking their necks out for free. The problem with "free" journalism is that you get exactly what you paid for: absolutely nothing worthwhile.
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I was gonna bite my tongue, but that made X3 look like X2.
Utter pish.
Ryan Reynolds got assfucked on that one. Go do Flash with WB mate, be a better move.
If this is the way it's hitting cinemas (with finished cgi etc obviously) then Fox can ram it up Rothman's arse.
Not just that the film was bad - it seemed like Jackman was in Van Helsing mode ie phoning it in.
I did like the cameo from you-know-who but it reminded me of Robin Hood Men in Tights!
I don't know who to blame for the pishness of the movie. The only good bit was the wartimes stuff.
And the cynic in me agrees that this was leaked on purpose - either by someone inside who is really passionate about Wolverine the character, or by the studio to find out how big a turd they plopped.
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He jumps out of the tub , then jumps naked down a waterfall and yet next scene after his hair is perfectly dry and shaped. HOW!?
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"Murder.And You?"."I pirated Wolverine"."Pick up my Soap Please,and by the way from now on your name is Anne Bonny".Who'd want to nicked for that????????
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This movie is comedy. I swear, if anything in the theater resembles the last half of the movie, I'm killing the first small child I see as I walk out.
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piracy is like free advertising for a lot of artists. Piracy turns many users on to a new work of art at a large scale. Radiohead tried to prove some of this when they offered their latest album for free. Think of how much additional exposure they got for almost no price at all, and how many additional records they sold of previous albums, not to mentions merchandise and concerts. There are even some studies that claim piracy to have a positive effect on the economy.(http://tinyurl.com/dzp2jk)
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My point was print media not being paid for because it's outdated. There's still room for news through other mediums, such as CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Reuters. I was just responding to your statement that piracy is killing the print media. I dare say that the reporters sent into war zones or foreign countries are employed by major corporations, not by the Chicago Sun Times. Their reports are then picked up and disemminated through a network of news services, this includes TV, radio, newspaper and blogs. As a rule, bloggers don't really unearth the news, they just present it to a wider audience. That hardly amounts to leaching or piracy. In fact, a defence to copyright infringement is reporting the news.
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http://tinyurl.com/cnmaty.. " more than 75,000 copies of the film have already been downloaded ..."
One user wrote on aintitcool.com: "The CGI is missing and the movie looks horrible without it.
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I mean those of you who've said you've watched it and prosecute
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Only one way to stop him! Adamantium bullets!
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Dunno about you guys, well, actually I do because I've been reading all of this, but my friend downloaded this and showed it to us on a projector. Honestly, it was so painful, the only entertaining parts where the one thing that everyone else is saying is a detriment to the final film: the CG. From the minute the CG Wolverine model ragdolled off the truck we were laughing incessantly, looking out for the next great unfinished effect, it gave everything a real student film kind of look. Everything else was so bad I was looking around my couch for Top Servo to chime in. Before you pounce, I'm not judging the film based on the CG, I'm judging the film outright and saying the best part was the cheap laughs from the unfinished effect, there's a BIG difference.
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I grew up with the X-Men and loved everything about them, I've never been happy with a single one of the X-Men movies but I feel there is about an hour of amazing X-men stuff between the three. I am always widely optimistic with a new X-Film, but this...I would add a total of four minutes of this into that hour of X-Men awesomeness. Someday I'm just gonna clip together all the good scenes into one solid X-Men movie.
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Everyone's freaking out over who leaked it, don't kno who for sure inside FOX but some guys where bragging about it on one of the sites. It wasn't optic or ndn, they just stole the file as there own. These guys are a new group, DMG, never heard of them b4 but they said they got the file from a guy inside FOX and then dumped it straight p2p. Said the inside guy smuggled the workprint in the garbage and they grabbed it from the dumpsters. crazy shit.
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That scene where Deadpool deflects all the bullets with his swords is sort of cool. But when he's been 'upgraded', the swords come out of his arms, Wolvie style. There's no way he could do the same moves with those. How exactly do you keep a full length sword in your forearm anyway? Too much of the fighting looked like it was lifted from 'Equilibrium'.
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Sorry, but whenever I hear that old chestnut that was once sprouted by Timothy McVeigh, I have to grimace. It always seems someone is out there telling you that they are fighting the powers that be, when really they are just upset that they are on the bottom of the pecking order and want to come up with a rational why you are more successful and they are the odd guys out.
You don't want to pay for movies or entertainment? Fine, don't. It is not my job to pass moral judgment on anyone else (womanizing, drug-using drunks with criminal records can't hold the moral high ground) but don't try to pass off your laziness, greed and selfishness as somehow an act of rebellion or rationalize it as somehow noble. It is just stealing. Man up to it and lets move on. -
You only get fucked over by yourselves. I mean you are the ones who bought the ticket or the DVD and paid money to see the movie. Sure a trailer might be misleading, but that is advertising, and it is advertising job to make something look appealing. As the old roman expression goes, "Let the buyer beware."
And if Hollywood films continue to be disappointing, than guess what, stop seeing them. But you keep coming back to them like some bizarre love-hate relationship. I have sympathy for a woman who claims she was raped once after walking down a dark alley, but after the twelfth or thirteenth time I say “Stop walking down that alley, you fucking moron!”
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piracy is not rebellion.u dont the fight the system by downloading a pirated copy of a movie.
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Your constant conflicting opinions aren't going to convince anyone any different. People are always gonna download movies, and the industry is always gonna make a fuckload of money. It's not like were the ones stealing the movie and putting it on the internet. I say once its there, it's fair game for anyone who wants to look at it. They should keep a tighter lock on their films if they don't want this shit to happen. And as so many have said, if it was a good movie this shit wouldn't matter.
But wait... reality is it's probably complete shite. So who cares? Maybe this will be incentive for them to actually put forth some true creativity in these so-called "blockbusters", so piracy or not the movie will live long after it's release.
And christ, don't they get enough of our money as it is? A freebie every now and then is well earned for most people. I just don't do it cause the quality blows. Either way, it's America motherfuckers!!! -
Looks like you got quoted on the BBC mate... http://tinyurl.com/cdfjoe
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And now that some not-Hollywood suits have put this planet into a financial crisis the downloading will even be more. If Hollywood would produce quality, people would go to the cinema instead of downloading it. And yeah, I hardly watch American movies these days since most of them are crap. When you saw way too many crap in the cinema the past few years you will think twice before forking over your hard-earned money. Hollywood brought it onto them themselves. Tough luck.
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A studio decides on making a film, they're the ones that set down nearly a hundred million dollars, it's a gamble. They're betting the cost of this film and their reputation, not to mention the rep of the director and actors involved against you guys, the people who see it in theatres and buy it on DVD, the studio wants to make a profit... from you. Sure some directors feel strongly about a story and make a movie out of love for the source material but at the end of the day, it's the men in suits who finance and distribute it. And how do they go about this? They embelish, they lie and they use sometimes questionable tactics to draw you in. You see a series of trailers cut in such a way it appeals to the widest demographic, perfect marketing strategy. They advertise all over the fucking place until you start to see the movie characters in your sleep, Buying airtime on the highest watched channels to hit the most people. They merchandise the movie through the ass until every eight to eighty year old has figures and posters and mugs. Certain sites get paid to hype the movie, some reviewers are studio plants, all to DRAW. YOU. IN. And by the time the movie finally opens, you tell yourself you've made up your own mind, you're going to see this despite all that. But who are you kidding? Really? Have you been living under a rock? So you waste over two hours and $10 in a theatre seeing a piece of shit movie. Don't you feel cheated? The studio just rolled the dice and won, they've taken you to the bank. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. Now put the shoe on the other foot. X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Fox is betting everything on this being a summer blockbuster, they want, nay, they need your money. Except they didn't count on an enterprising employee running off with a copy and leaking it. Now the cats out of the bag, people have seen that this movie is not the hit Fox are betting on, cheating or getting ahead of the game? To keep throwing analogies your way, the dice are loaded, are you still going to play? Movie making is a risk, what happens at script stage? What happens at an executive screening? At what point does someone say "Y'know? Fuck it, that'll do, we'll just let it play an extra week in bumfuck Nebraska to make up the losses." If you gamble, Fox, sometimes you have to be prepared to lose. Heaven knows you've taken enough of our money throughout the years.
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Still gonna pass.
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It makes me laugh that all the dumb fucks that are bitching about the unfinished copy they've illegally downloaded are the same fan boys that jerk themselves off over the idea of an Avengers movie, or the Iron Man 2 casting.
It's pretty obvious that the more fuckers that download this film and others illegally, the less likely it is that the other major adaptations you want to see will be made.
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If you make a decent fun movie people want to go to the movies with their friends. Taken has been on DVD over in the UK for 2 months and in the cinema back last summer. Yet has still taken a ton at the box office for this time of year.Wolverine is going to be wank no doubt.The trailer made me want to stab my own eyes out.Unoriginal crap.I wont be even bother downloading it
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I think all of the Xmen movies were total shite. How can they have Wolverine as the main character when everyone knows the true leader of the Xmen was Scott Summers. They pissed all over his character and backstory. X2 was ok for about the first 15 mins then is goes down down down. Fuck Fox and if you have problem with that then fuck you too. All I want to say is ha ha.
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If this was any other studio i'd ignore it, but FUCK fox. Rothman's douchebag ass deserves this. Ruining movie after movie and making that place the studio equivalent of a retarded day care center, NOT TO MENTION trying to steal watchmen from WB, I hope everyone on earth who wanted to see this flick downloads it, and fox loses their goddamn shirts.
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wolverine is everywhere,in every damn superhero team,comic series,comic teamups,cosmic wars,alternate realities,civil wars,every damn comic.
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Fact.
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What about all us idiots who bought let the right one in with Harry's ref ID on amazon? We got fucked on the subs and the only proper way to watch the movie is to download the screener or other region versions. Was I wrong in sayingw ell since magnet films doesn't care and is fucking anyone who already bought the DVD maybe I'll just get the proper version via means that magnet hopes I won't go?
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...with "Hollywood" Comic Book movies. Fuck 'em. I grew up with three favorite characters in comics: Spider-man (#3 ruined him) Venom (again with Spider-man 3) and Deadpool (I will not download the movie out of respect, but a friend filled me in on everything. I also will not spoil the movie here. Just, PLEASE, avoid this piece of fetid rat vomit.) The following is not a review but a commentary on bad movie making. Some may consider it a little spoilerish, though. What is it with Shoddywood and the never ending trend of killing characters that never died in the source material. Way back when, as I watched Jonathan Kent die on-screen, I sort of figured that the feeble minded writers would fuck it up for a while but I never guessed it would last this long. I hope Rob Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza fuckin' sue somebody. It would be a nice change of pace if Fox was made accountable for this putrid bowel movement. I pray to God that Marvel also sues for their rights back for the franchise. Could you imagine an X-Men movie written by Stan Lee and Chris Claremont? It would be the Bad Assery to end all Bad Asseriness. When I finally do see this movie in a cinema near me, I feel in my heart that I will finally, but reluctantly, be joining the "Raped My Childhood" club. And that sucks.
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I knew next to nothing about the movie except Liam Neeson kicked ass in it, when my friend got hold of a copy. We watched it and thought it was excellent and then, a few weeks later, it came out in the cinema and so we took five others to watch it too because we already knew it was a good action movie.I probably wouldn't have watched it in the cinema otherwise to be honest.I'm not going to download this movie, not out of principle, but because I want to see the complete version. The fact I'm not interested enough to watch in the cinema probably also affects my judgement here but i'll catch it on DVD most likely.
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the Record industry. Irma(irish record musicians Association) and IMro(Irish musician recording Organisation) are fully behind paul Mcguinness's crusade to crack down on illegal downloading by getting the reord companies to put pressure on ISP's to hand over the names of people who have been caught downloading music illegally. if McGuinness gets his way that will constitute a massive invasion of privacy. Irma and imro are standing hand in hand with their backs to burning buildings called record stores. The recession killed off the record stores. where are you going to get Music from if Record stores charge an arm and a leg for CDS. by downloading of course. but do you want your names and addresses in the hands of the ISPs who will be forced to hand them over to the authorities. Mark my words this is going to happen in the movie industry especially when it comes to movie downloading. With this wolverine stuff I can well see a test case coming. Fox did it before. With buffy sites which were leaking scripts all over the net. fox was left with no choice but to close them down.
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I will never watch the workprint but I'd download it just to say fuck you to fox and any other studio that helps fuck copyright law every time it becomes inconvenient. Oh yeah AICN has supported piracy in teh past, maybe not chinese knock offs but anytime you've supported a fan edit of a movie any fan edit of a trailer any "terribly illegal" fan posters or. Hell I remember AICN is where I first saw Batman Dead end. Copyright law is wrong until it's fixed. I support the idea of it but I don't support the BS that passes as reform. Mickey mouse should be public property by now and Eisner was too fucking stupid to realize Disney would retain original ownership credit and still be able to use the character appropriately and profitably.
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shit movies are leaked and then blamed for their losses. I'm telling you, it's an insurance job.
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...just occurred to me. Do talk backs record ip addresses? That would be some funny shit with all these people admitting to downloading and watching the movie. I'm not saying AiCN would sell out anybody! Perish the thought! It just seemed funny to me.
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1)leak crappy workprint of crappy movie
2) sue poor idiot who leaked it and then teh pirate group he leaked through
3) get huge damages from people who caqn't nor will ever pay it
4) maybe get some word of mouth going that with the CG intact it could be wroth seeing in theaters
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I want to make something clear. Hugh jackman used the x-men series to create his production company and Used the clout off the back of the x-men movies to establish himself as a power player. The way I see it foxx should have done a single movie about the early days of the x-men first and then made the x-men movies and not the other way around.
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who runs a download service on the net where you can see films on the net for free. cant remember the name of the site. but that is where my friend saw spiderman three.
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Music stores and cinemas aren't "the industry". They are suppliers. Music is doing as good as it ever was. Grunty, you are also just flat out lying. Print media isn't dead. Its just sharing space with online niche media. Thats the way it goes. You know whats interesting? Print media and cable news media employees being paid huge amounts of money to give piss poor, lacklustre reports from war zones. When internet sources get up to date and accurate information from people NGO's and civilians. Digital camera phones have done more in depth reporting of the current global conflicts than Fox and CNN combined. Personally, as much as it pains you fucking bottom feeders to hear, I care about the product, not the retailers. I dont download music illegally, often, but I do use iTunes alot. And if I could get a comparable, reliable source for a wide range of movies, my video store would be out of business too. Logic up there makes a good point too. Let The Right One In, the bootleg, was a superior copy to the official release. Slumdog Millionare was falsely advertised as having special features, when Fox decided to include none. rocky_road, it makes me laugh that stupid pieces of shit like you think illegally downloading copies of wolverine will affect the production of Iron Man 2 at all. You know, Iron Man, the flick that made 300 mil at the box office, despite having a high quality copy ready for download 2 weeks prior to release. Fucking morons. Continentalop, if hollywood movies continue to be dissapointing, I'll just not pay to see them. Theres nothing you can do about it. Hows that for a laugh? The end result is the same for the studio as if I hadn't seen it, so I don't see the harm. Make movies that aren't pieces of shit, like Taken, Gran Torino or Iron Man, and you'll get your money back, regardless of piracy. Thats a fact. As opposed to the bullshit being spouted by the anti piracy people. Explain to me how watching a pirated copy of Wolverine affects the jobs of workers in L.A.? When the fucking film was made in Australia with Australian crews.
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@ Mr_X. Just saw your post about ip's. Great minds laugh alike. and @ Max Meanie. I have the adamantium werewolf copyrighted. I should prove the adamantium bullet was my idea and sue them myself. That does sound like fun.
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...And others. Just be honest. What you're saying is that the leaches and useless fucks who are of no service to the finished product, i.e, the album cover designers, the dude who designs the window displays, the guy who holds the coffee for the guy who hols the coffee for the guy who is first cousin with one of the directors, the real bottom feeders who drive up costs and the final purchase price, will be out of work. Good.
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from this guys computer to the viewer who will then see the film on their home computer or internet cafe or whereever.
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...respecting fox after all the things they've fucked up. infact its got to the point that i tend to avoid fox movies when its not something i need to see. after what happened with Watchmen i dont want to give them any more money than i have to.
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It would be funny. All they can do in my country is issue you a stern email. Then again, my country already stole the Wolverine production and put Beaks's friends out of work.
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I'll still go see it at the pictures.
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i'll be the first in line the day it comes out in theatresi liked it alot and i'm actually excited to see the changes and additions they make to it (i agree an extra 15 minutes, and some editing will really help fleshout the story and help the pacing)did i have problems with it, yes... but first i'm not going to talk about them as this was a workprint and they might not even exist in the final cut. secondly if they are still there in the final film, then i look forward to being able to "legally" talk about them with other fans who have seen the moviealso is anyone else who saw it jonsing to watch X2 again, i felt wolverine was much more of a prequel to that movie then to the first x-men
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It wont be hard to first in a line of one dude.
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Personally I disagree- as for movies being overpriced, clothes are overpriced, coffee in a cafe is overpriced, every commodity in the world including the nominal currency is overpriced.
I suppose I should have said "I personally prefer the cinema experience". But then there's no edit button on this, so I apologise for talking in generalisations.
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....Seem to have nothing to say about the movie that isn't a complaint about Deadpool. I don't even know who the fuck that character is. But here is a sample of their opinion..."Watched this last night, and the movie is fucking terrible. It's not an April Fool either, they have released action figures of the "New Deadpool", and on the back of the box, it states that he has claws and laser eyes..."
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...Thats cool. I tolerate the cinema experience as much as I can. I'm there for the big films, but its nearly always a shitty experience thanks to the utter disregard of customer service and quality. But you're right about everything being overpriced. We wouldn't pay those prices unless we had to. People in the intellectual property business have to wake up and realise, that if they are out to make money, they picked a shit industry, and that they are gonna have to deliver cheaper content at a faster rate. All of which is doable. Unfortunately the dead weight that currently drowns the industry will have to be culled.
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i know alot of fan who watched the screener hated it, but honestly, this movie gonna rake in at least 50-60 million its opening weekend and probabaly end the summer just shy of 200 millionalot of people who will go see this don't even know what a torrent is
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...by the way. Just in those instances where its either prohibitively expensive (whose got 1000 dollars to buy the cremaster cycle - which I did pay legitimately to see on the big screen first) or the product is just ungettable. I rent alot. Maybe its force of habit because of age, but I also like being able to walk in, browse, stumble upon something interesting and take it home and watch it. Downloading anything but the big mainstream shit I don't want to see anyway can sometimes be a hassle, and the selection is pretty anyway, plus I don't like watching shit on my monitor. However, even going to a video store sucks now, when the racks are movies dating back to the late 80's, and the new release section is the same 4 movies with ten thousand copies. You'll see a large boost in business from my end, or people like me, when you can stream dvd quality flicks from a large library of interesting titles. Even though you wouldn't have the overheads of video stores and physical distribution, I'd still happily pay the same price for the conveniance of being able to brows IMDB and ring up a flick. Which means more cash for the actual PRODUCERS of the content. That said, I have work colleagues who download everything. Will never, ever purchase a damn thing in their lives AND yet they go to the cinema all the fucking time to watch giant piles of shit like Paul Blart or Transformers, even after having suffered through them on bootleg.
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I hope they find the guy who leaked it and I hope they destroy his life. For one thing, this wasn't just a soulless Fox money making project, Jackman was heavily invested in it, said right from the start he was doing it for the fans and because Wolverine made him what he is today. And with this collective act we the fans have all basically taken a big shit on Hugh Jackman. The other issue, is that the possibility of any more (and potentially better) Wolverine or Xmen Origin films hang on this films Box Office, which we've also just collectively sank.
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Don't like people seeing the movie pre release for free is because then it cuts out the studio shills like themselves. Which means no more need to provide them with FREE movies and screenings.
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Jackman lied. He did it for the cash. If he did it for the fans, why did he make a film fans hate and that just plain sucks? We didn't collectively sink the films box office (especially me, since I didn't watch it), the fact that Jackman put in a lazy, greedy, half assed effort sunk it.
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Interesting that you are somehow able to know the motivations of others based on what you see or read about a film they made. Have you considered the possibility that Jackman tried to make a great film for us but failed? He is after all, just an actor. Perhaps his 'ideas' and input on what makes a good Wolverine film simply missed the mark? You should try being less of a faggot sometime, seriously. It could have a positive impact on your life.
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Just re-reading that Harry review of Episode 2 makes me want to choke a bitch. Fucking morons, go ahead and play studio enforcer... acting like cunts is a great way to keep your readership.
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Apr 02, 2009 8:24:31 AM CDT
Way to pimp Chud, Mr. Beaks. I can do that shit also..........
by stuntcock mike
http://www.aintitbalenews.com/ Wolverine review coming this weekend!
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Take THAT Fox! you can keep it and I'll keep my review and we'll call it even.
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the stereotypical 'George Lucas raped my childhood' type of fan who takes a childish personal offense when a movie gets made that doesn't live up to your expectations. It makes us all look bad.
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and it sucked asshole. You can just tell when a movie sucks right from the get-go, and this SUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKS.
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Awesome. And if I pay a plumber to unclog my toilet, and he tries real hard, but manages to back up my toilet and cover my floor in shit I should be real happy right? You should try being less of a faggot (no seriously, what does sucking the cock of a celebrity on a gossip site actually DO for you?) and stop asking others to indulge in your fucking perez hilton style worship of media personalities.
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Shut up bitchface. I don't give a rat's ass about Star Wars, except I like the first 2 movies, but it doens't take a genius to see Lucas assfucked a classic series beyond repair. If fans weren't outraged, I would think I was insane. Those movies are shit, Wolverine is shit, and you are liquid shit. "Makes us all look bad" - you wish you belonged to an 'us' hahahaha
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Please keep in mind that the music, sound and especially the editing makes a huge difference. Remember the 2003 Hulk workprint? It had temporary music and sound, and the editing was weird, the final copy that came out felt like a completely different film. While I'm not expecting this to be Citizen Kane or anything, I'm hoping it will be a watchable popcorn flick
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Took 15 minutes. Quickest download yet.
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Aside from Hugh I just hated the cast and the story just isn't very interesting. I'll be saving my $10.
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Apr 02, 2009 8:37:33 AM CDT
"..the last person who committed such a crime is still in jail"
by zyuray2
Christ, they lock people up for leaking a movie? Nevermind the rapists and killers running around loose, let's lock up the mailroom clerk who leaked a movie. Being a little self-important here, aren't we Hollywood?
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you're a faggot because you think you actually *know* that the people involved made it shitty because they didn't care. You have no idea what their motivations or level of investment was. By your analogy, when your plumber does a shitty job, rather than assuming he just wasn't a good plumber, and hoping next time you'll get a better one, you sit around spitting venom about how he did it on purpose because he didn't care enough about plumbing. It's pretty plain to see from your posts that you have this image of your self as some kind of revolutionary thinker and political warrior on the subject of studios and 'the industry' but...you're not. You're just an emo douchebag, WE ALL KNOW about the flaws of big studio industry, the difference is we're smart enough to realize that everyone else also knows. You're an emo douche on a soapbox angrily telling everyone about how KFC treats chickens or how fluoride in the water isn't necessary. We know. We all know. We're not on the soapbox because we realize it's common knowledge.
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These things do not make a huge difference in regard to what my two closest friends have said about it. Both of them are huge X Men fans, and one even enjoyed Part 3. They have the same complaints everyone has about Fox adaptations. They treat the fanbase like complete and utter shit. Its a generic, lazily thrown together action flick, and apparently this "Weapon 11" fellow pretty much ruins the whole movie. I remember the Hulk leak in 2003. I didn't see the leak, I did however pay to see the piece of shit in a theatre and felt ripped off afterwards. Same can't be said of Iron Man, which I saw on bootleg first, or the Dark Knight, which didn't need to be bootlegged, since I saw it twice in the cinema. Watchmen too, but I shouldn't bring that up, since everyone else I know was either dissapointed or hated it. Harry don't need to watch stolen movies anymore. He just needs to sell the shit out of them to see them early.
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LOL. Nailed it.
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You missed the point completely. In every way that a person can miss a point. Where in my post did I say Lucas DIDN'T make a horrible trainwreck out of those prequels? I wasn't arguing the validity of complaining about the prequels, I was trying to point out the difference between a person who sees the prequels and goes 'wow, that sucked. What a shitty movie', and someone that has a complete tantrum about it.
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'Nuff said
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... is exposed as being the industry lapdogs they truly are. go whore your piece of shit movie elsewhere, you fucks. all you assholes pirate more movies in a day then i do in a year, so dont sell your anti-piracy bile to any of us, you lying, hyppocritical sons of bitches
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think about it, they leak it, get the fan feedback, make the nesecary changes, and boom..perfect movie when it hit theatres..its actually a very smart idea
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AICN used to be THE place to come for spy reports on set, now this place might as well be EW.com. And The ATTACK OF THE CLONES example is right on. The mods here are OK with leaks as longs as THEY are the only ones who get to see it and then they ridiculously over-hype it to make it more "nyah nyah we've seen it and you haven't and guess what? It's the second coming of Christ!" or some suitable bullshit only to find it's fucking lame-ass SPEED RACER or the ultra-shitty HELLBOY 2 or INDY IV and the Crystal Skullfuck.
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this is Fox, remember. What, are they gonna CGI a red Deadpool mask over top his ugly face? nope, this is a turd that can't be polished.
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My bottom line is this. If you were to sit down with Jackman personally, or the writer, or the director, who is a pretty fucking good director based on his previous work, do you really think each of them would talk about half-assing their way through the project? Or do you think you'd hear about how awesome they thought it was going to be? Let's look at the writer for example. David Benioff. His stuff is hit and miss. Mostly hit. He worked on The Kite Runner, Stay and 25th Hour, pretty cool films. He also did Troy, which I hated. Personally, I see a trend. When he is writing small, personal films, heavy on the drama, he excels. When he works on an action film, not so good. So do you REALLY think that when this guy sat down to write Wolverine that he just decided to just half ass a complete piece of shit screenplay because he didn't care, despite the fact that Wolverine failing would have a negative impact on his career, paycheck and credibility? Or do you think it's more reasonable that maybe he tried his best, thought he was doing an awesome job, but the action film really just isn't where he shines?
You see, what I've laid out is a pretty reasonable scenario for why the film might not be as well written as we'd hoped. As compared to your scenario, which is dripping in emo vitriol and completely lacking plausability in the real world. This is due to the fact that I live in reality, and think clearly, whereas you live in self-indulgent faggot fanboy land. -
but along with Douchebag, Fuck and Retard, I believe it to be one of the most effective and delightful insults in the English language.
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can i arrest the guy that leaked it? I know the guy who did it unfortunatly, we used to be friends but will i get a reward for catching him? coz its tough economic times and i need the cash. the guys name is shellfishh, i think hes here too. i already told the FBI, hope i get a grand or two.
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Apr 02, 2009 9:12:33 AM CDT
Fox News has a story that it's better than Dark Knight!!
by nooneimportant
quote: It’s miles easier to understand than "The Dark Knight," and tremendously more emotional. Hood simply did an excellent job bringing Wolverine’s early life to the screen.
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this movie was borderline terrible, the only cool part was sabertooth storming the beaches of normandy
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I too make my living in the industry and have been as sanctimonious as most towards the perceived threat of downloads... What I am disapointed in however, is the fact that the studios have chosen in most cases to 'combat' the issue by attacking anyone they can get their hands on... The fact is they had an enormous advantage in that the music industry got hit long before they did due to bandwidth and file size and even with YEARS of heads up the best they can do is to crucify those at the end of the chain. How can the Dl'ers not perceive this as war mongering? Fear is no deterrent in this case... DL'ing is a fact of life and trying to stop it is absurd beyond comprehension and about 15 years too late. Work with it... Understand it... use it.
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Apr 02, 2009 9:15:53 AM CDT
If there is one thing I've learned from this debacle...
by mr. nice gaius
...it's that there are some really stupid new handles on these boards. Yeah, I'm looking at you, COCKNASTY.Oh, and E_Nizzle = Cunt.Schnizzle that Nizzle.
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Haven't checked out the workprint yet. Haven't had time. But I'm looking forward to it. I have no feelings about Fox one way or another--they've done some good stuff and some bad stuff, like most studios. I enjoyed the first three X-men well enough. I will say, however, that I enjoy Hugh Jackman enough as an actor and as a person to NOT discuss this movie in any way until it comes out this summer. If I watch the workprint at home, fine, but I'm not gonna talk about it. I don't wanna know anything about it until I see it for myself. This kind of shit is like when you were a kid, and you "accidentally" happen upon the hiding place where your parents kept all the Christmas presents.
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...hurt my feelings man.
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So what is a good site that actually has cool news?
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While I don't condone pirating movies, Hollywood is really pushing people towards it. When my wife and I went to see the Witch Mountain movie at the theater last week, I about had a coronary. $9.75 for a movie and the matinee was something like $7.50. That is simply ridiculous. On top of that, you are bent over if you want something to eat or drink inside, but that is the way it has always been. Without tent pole movies, I definitely see a decline in movie going from people this year. The economy is conducive to an over priced ticket on something that might end up being shit to begin with. You've got two alternatives to paying out the ass; simply wait a few months and rent it at redbox for $1 or pirate it. The only bootlegs I will watch are the DVD quality ones. I'm not tech savy enough to find the ones on the bit torrent places. Damn you Hollywood!
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.. but let's face it. If word is bad on this baby, word is bad. And not ONE.. not one of the same people that would buy the word of mouth based on first weekend reviews... would reject the same early word based on a work print that leaked to the "pirate" community (as inaccurate a tag it is). Same would be said for potential ticket purchasers. People who will not pay, WILL NOT PAY. People who will... WILL. It's not that hard to understand and I know most of you are pretty sharp. A lot of producers of content don't realize, after almost a century of this sort of thing happening, that THEY do not decide how the business model changes. Consumers do. Don't go making up lies because you don't like the way your favorite content is re-valued in the marketplace. And that's what this is. The value of entertainment is shifting and it's making a LOT of people nervous, angry...reactionary.
Anyone realize that TV viewing is UP?? Truth. And this.. now.. with all the "piracy" that's "destroying the industry". Pheh.
The fact that I'm not downloading this film is not based on HONOR. I reserve that type of thing for PEOPLE who would be honorable to ME, not gigantic media companies who could give a shit if I live or die and would gladly take every penny from me for humming the Jaws theme in my fucking head.
(and that IS what we are talking about here, so stick your self-rightious bullshit about INDIE studios right up your ass.. if the local 35 screen theatre would bother screening ONE indie flick a month instead of Harry Potter 11 on 15 screens, maybe we'd have an indie film industry to speak of that makes things other than period dramas a shot on video coming out films by young gay filmmakers... not that there's anything wrong with that... but you KNOW what I mean)
No. I don't like to download films because ..
1. I don't want to deal with the legal teams having tea with my ISP and deciding whether I should have the "honor" of paying them 100 plus bucks a month for a connection I have grown to appreciate for it's reliability and hands-off nature.
2. I like to see FILMS I WANT TO SEE on a screen. And usually do not bother DOWNLOADING something I have no interest in seeing unless it's unavailable in the states.
3. The quality is shit.
And if you're a hypocritical little bitch, it's enough for YOU to know it. Confess or don't. Whatever. But some of you just ARE. It would be nice if you'd be man enough to admit it. Nice for you. I frankly don't give a fuck.
Like I said. I get it. I also "get" that people have always predictably attacked what they don't understand and especially what they don't know how to compete with. The good news?? 3d is coming in a BIG way and studios are going to have no problem putting asses back in seats once the word of mouth gets around about that and films like Avatar are diddling our optic nerves. -
nope im gonna watch the real movie on the big screen with a tray of natchos
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BWA ...
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has the brass neck to issue that statement...fucking ridiculous. bunch of cunts the lot of them
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and instead got Underworld in Spanish. That ain't right.
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The directors previous films were bad. Considering the director has had huge problems and was almost fired, I'd be curious to hear his personal opinions. After all, he wouldn't be the first director for Fox who has had a problem with his own product (Proyas, Kassovitz). Even regardless of their intention, its the finished product that counts. And its bad. Thats the real bottom line. You don't get paid for good intentions. Lets look at the writer. Benioff. Stay was a lazy piece of shit hack job. The Kite Runner was a poor adaptation of an average book. The 25th Hour was a average script from his own work (unread by me). His own work and his attitude to (to be fair, this could be none of his fault, we are going off the finished product) adapting a wealth of source material was lazy and disinterested. Anyway, no, I don't think he was trying his best. If he was, then he doesn't DESERVE any fucking pay cheque. Its that simple. If the material on screen in any way represents his work, he's a lousy writer who should never be given the chance to screw the pooch again. You live in reality? What reality? What the fuck are you even talking about. I laid out the facts as they are. Its a bad film. If you want people to go and see it despite the leak, you should have made a good film. Wether their intentions were good or bad doesn't matter. If they were bad, which is most likely, as its incredibly easy to simply take successful source material and film the fucking thing, or they really tried and failed, either way they don't deserve any fucking money, because they FAILED.
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I have been to countries (recently in fact) that freely sell pirated copies for about $5.00 per dvd. Even the best um "quality" still sucks. But who cares? I want to see this movie (and others) complete, on the big screen, with full surround cranked. I want the movie to be an experience, not just some crappy, blurry copy so I can see it early. That's like saying "Wait until May and get a new car, or we will get one now and it's just a rusted out frame."
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kick your fucken ASS! i want you off the fuckin set you prick! no dont just be sorry! think for one fuckin second. the THE FUCK. ARE. YOU. DOING!? are you professional or not?! do i fuckin walk around and rip tha... no shut the fuck up bruce, do i wa... NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT SHUT ME UP. am i gonna walk around and rip your fuckin lights down? in the middle of a scene? than why the FUCK are you walking right through, oh DA DA DA DA like this in the background? what the FUCK is it with you? what dont you fucking understand?! you got any fuckin idear about 'hey it's fucking distracting! having somebody walking in behind bryce in the middle of the fucking scene. gimme a FUCKIN ANSWER!!! what dont you get about it!?! OOOOH!!!! GOOOOOOD FOR YOU!!! and how was it? i hope it was fucking good because its useless now isnt it? FUCK sake man youre amateur. MCG you have fucking to say to this prick? well someboddy should be fuckin watching him and keeping an eye on him. this is the 2nd time he doesnt give a FUCK!!!!! about what is going on behind the camera. alright? i'm trying to fucking do a scene here and i'm going " why the fuck is shane walking in there? what is he doing there?" you understand my mind is not in the scene if you're doing that. stay off the fuckin set man. fuck sake. alright lets go again. no lets not take a fuckin minute LETS GO AGAIN!!! and lets not have you fucking walking in . can i have time to put this on please? youre unbelievable man. you're unfuckinbelievable. number of times you're strolling and fucking around in the background. i never had a DP behave like this. UHHHH you dont fucking understand what its like working with actors. thats what that is. THATS WHAT THAT IS MAN i'm tellin you. i'm not asking i'm telling you. you wouldnt have done that otherwise..... i'm gonna FUCKING kick your FUCKIN ASS IF YOU DONT SHUT UP FOR A SECOND!!! alright? i'm gonna, you want me to go trash your lights? you want me to FUCKING TRASH EM? then why are you trashing my scene? you ARE trashing my scene!!! you do it one more fucking time and i aint walking on this set if youre still hired. i'm fucking serious, you're a nice guy, you're a nice guy but i dont fucking cut it when you bullshit and fuckin around like this on set. yeah you might get it. he doesnt fucking get it. you might HE. DOES. NOT. GET IT. no i dont need any fuckin walking. he needs to stop walkin. i aint the one walkin. get tom and put this back on, lets go again. seriously man you an me we're fucking done professionally. fuckin ass.
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I like my balls just where they are, thank you!
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I still can't belive that this has all come down to a useless debate about piracy when a major geek movie just leaked and no one is discussing its pros and cons...I'll start:
Deadpool = good to start/terrible at end
Liv Schrieber(sp?)=awesome
WillIam(fuck the spelling on that black eyed peas suck use your real name asshole the rock did it)=actually can act
Dominic Monaghan=great as always
Jackman=he is wolverine
adamantium bullets/ending=poopoo
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...COCKNASTY and i are entering the movie business. dont know what the name of our company gonna be yet, but im thinking something along the lines of Nasty Nizzle Productions, or maybe even A CockNasty Joint.
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and shake your hands for downloading this film.
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Moron who complaint about no being music stores left, you are a douchebag, never, ever have been gigs so costly, and they always sold out you know why douchebag ? Because downloading have multiplied the audience tenfold.
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Since I knew about the God-Aweful plot, I knew I wasn't going to see it ni theatres. Downloading it saved me a $10 movie ticket. Would have I gotten a refund after watching the entire movie and not liking it? Nope.
This is why I downloaded it. It wasn't a movie worth a $10 Movie ticket admission. In fact it was barely worth a download.
Make better movies and I wouldn't download them.
Look at Rambo. I watched it in theatre, bought the Blu-Ray movie. Never downloaded it. Because I loved the movie.
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I can't believe i forgot about gambit as a kid he was my favorite. When he started fighting wolvie I was happy as hell but since when does he have the ability to scale walls like spidey i know he was acrobatic but damn hopefully it will look better with the finished fx. On a side note has anyone noticed that this site is a lot slower since this leaked I have to wait a few seconds for my typing to appear in the comment box makes spel checking hard
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Apr 02, 2009 10:22:51 AM CDT
BEAKS: IS SHANE BUTTHURL ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS BY ANY CHANCE?
by chaimbensexyback
Do you fucking understand where I'm coming from with this?
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Anyone know the legalities of this?
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I'd do something else with his hand.
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I think it's a legitimate question to ask why it was OK for Harry to watch a pirated version of Attack of the Clones but not OK for anyone else to watch a pirated version of Wolverine. Why no answer?
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As previously reported here on Newswire, 20th Century Fox has begun selling rental DVDs completely devoid of the special features available on their retail product. Well, there's been a hitch in that plan: This week's release of Slumdog Millionaire has gotten all cocked-up, and scores of copies of the rental version of Slumdog have made their way into the hands of people who bought what they thought was going to be the full-featured version. Fox has set up a hot-line (1-888-223-4FOX) to handle requests for replacement copies, but at the moment, it sure doesn't seem like this cost-cutting measure is saving the studio much money. Meanwhile, Fox also made movie news this week by announcing that when Ice Age: Dawn Of The Dinosaurs plays in 3D-capable theaters this June, the studio will not be picking up the cost of the glasses. Theater owners will have to pony up for those. (Or choose not to show Ice Age, whichever. After all, it's not like there won't be plenty of other 3D movies that those theaters could book instead.)" Hmmm. I give a fuck that you never get to rape another superhero movie again...why? -
Maybe you could just not post the reviews sent to you for this 'work print' and not say a word.
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anyone think of that
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You're saying your code of ethics or "honor" changes on a dime depending on who you're dealing with?
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Jesus Christ. This WAS just an ass-kissing ploy to get into their good graces. And, FOX's threats about being able to not only trace the sources but the downloads is just bullshit. Anyway, I know you're busy lubing up or practicing stretching your mouth, so I won't take any more of your time.
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at Toronro Film Festival with Eli Roth saying the same thing, fx is not complete, music will be changed etc This made me think it would be a very raw film and I would have to see it again when it was finished. When I saw it again in the theaters the only difference I noticed was the close up screen shots of pictures on the cell phone. Wow, major plot turning point. Was the music changed, I don't even remember. If your work print is signifigantly different from your final print, you have shit to begin with. The 14 minutes are probably being added because some suit thinks it will enhanse the film going experience, or was shot later on. Who knows. Who cares actually.
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I only watch downloaded movies, I go to a theatre once or twice a year for a movie of the caliber of Watchmen but for all the crap movies it's just as easy for me to watch a not so great copy a week or two before it's in theatres or the day it's out. This movie is perfect for fans of X3. Characters are mostly wrong, effects are good and of course Hugh Jackman is Wolverine. Liev was good as Sabretooth and some of the other characters (as crappily as they are written) are done well but I was hoping for something on par with X2.
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"Ha ha ha ha ha. P.S Ha ha ha."
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Apr 02, 2009 11:05:53 AM CDT
This is one of the most interesting talkbacks on AICN
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
I'm enjoying reading all of your comments. It's better than "AVATAR WILL FUCK YOUR EYEBALLS!" blah blah blah.Keep your opinions (and insults of FOX) coming!
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I wasn't going to see it at the theater anyway.
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You've made a slight logical error in your "make better movies" argument. Can you figure out what it is?
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this movie!! The economy is bad enough without you jack-asses sabotaging the income of the people involved with this release. Just because you have the ability to do it, doesn't mean you should. I hope they catch all of you little ass-pirates and fine the shit out of you.
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I loathe FOX. This movie is horrible on all fronts. F/X can not save it (ahh the motive of one particular studio out for a quick dollar at our expense...again). The film is insulting to MARVEL and readers of the MARVEL Universe. Any other studio and I would have said "No" to a peak. (read - do the right thing). But it is FOX and fool me once...
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I'll worry about how so-called "runaway" productions affect workers in California when every single one of those workers stops buying any product whatsover that is manufactured outside of the State of California.
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...people should pay for the content they consume. Regardless of where it's produced and/or manufactured.
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How is making a shitty film like X3 honorable in any way? This Wolverine movie is just another money grab without any real concern for a good script or anything other than making a quick tentpole and cashing in. I laugh at Fox's lost revenue on this one.
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No. You weren't paying close enough attention. I was saying my honor, not a code of ethics. Honor is for people, not cold, huge entities that claim to represent people. As far as ethics go, it's a branch of PHILOSOPHY, which fluctuates and is DEEPLY effected by the current state of the world, it's overall particular set of values and what it considers moral. It's in the realm of opinion and there is NO concensus other than what we can observe through action. Clearly, having seen the numbers, you sir may (MAY) be in the minority. I think the best way to narrow it down is to think of other things that don't make sense anymore. Like... drug laws? What adults put into their own bodies became a moral issue many years ago, inappropriately, mostly based on fear and misinformation spread by people in positions of power unwilling to educate themselves on the truth about various drugs. Instead they lumped it ALL together and excused themselves from REASON. (see: the very real difference between a download and a DVD for sale on a blanket on a Chinese street) Now, because of the early MUST DO SOMETHING NOW.. THINK OF THE CHIIIIIILDREN!! DO NOT STOP AND THINK!! reasonless reasoning, families are torn apart, the state is spending HUGE amounts of tax dollars we could use elsewhere, a huge percentage of the hard working, just trying to get to the end of the month population are considered criminals because they want a way to relax for a while.
As technology moves forward at increasingly staggering rates, this sort of thing is going to get harder and harder to enforce without destroying fundamental privacy and freedom. It's never going to just go away. It's not just the old "information wants to be free" thing.. or "remix culture"... or any of the popular reasons given. It's just the reality we face. There's a whole generation younger than either of us who know nothing BUT free culture, Internet culture. We can argue until our throats bleed and these kids will have already won the argument by consensus. You see, morality isn't written in stone. No matter what our judeo christian brothers and sisters say. It's an evolution. It's liquid. Like it or not. People have felt morally justified to enslave, discriminate, dehumanize... and as we move forward, this justification progresses and what used to be right is wrong. What WE used to think was wrong ends up being right. And there's a LONG history dating all the way back to minstrels and the earliest printing presses of intellectual property being forced to evolve in the face of new technology and innovations in communications and shipping. The printing press, the player piano, the phonographic record, the radio, jukeboxes, TV, cassette tape recorders, the VCR...
.. and now the Internet. And the DVR. And.... whatever comes next. Holographic storage and ubiquitous anonymous, encrypted ad-hoc wireless networks..no central hubs... just all the data, everywhere, anonymously.. that's my prediction. And someone will want to stop it. But just the same way the Internet has revolutionized the world economically, there will be victims of this revolution. And the victims will ALWAYS CRY FOUL AND SHAME and puff up their chests with rightious morality. They will testify in hearings about ____ destroying the fabric of society. They always have and they always will. I just hope someday we can EVOLVE to recognize that bullshit when it rears it's head. Someday. Maybe if we become smarter... you know.. just generally. -
that we're losing focus here, not just on this talkback, but in general here at AICN. I tried an hour ago to point out where this should all be headed, but only got a few bites. there is ONE thing, and ONE thing only that matters in the grand scheme of things, whether it be a leaked, shitty movie, or the state of the economy: this world is going to shit because the focus has shifted drastically from Bale. wake the fuck up. "OHHHHHH, GOOOOOD", you may say. but i ask YOU, "and how is it?". well, let's just say i hope it was good, because it's fucking useless now.
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It's pretty plain and simple for all you fuckholes screaming this will hurt the economy and people's jobs, blah blah blah. I saw The Dark Knight twice in the theater, downloaded the solid cam that came out and the dvdrip a little later. Went and saw it again with a friend at IMAX. Still went out and bought the DVD and had to go buy the 2 disc edition so I could put the digital copy on my iphone. If it's good, pirating does not negatively impact how well a movie will do.
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I've had enough of these assholes claiming I am stealing something. The person who leaked this movie did the stealing and crime.
All i'm doing is downloading it offa site that has won their day in court.
Im a poor guy and I cannot afford to watch movies on the big screen. As crazy as that may sound, It is true. We live in a Government owned home, we live of benefits, we work for crap wages to make ends meet and we don't get the chance to treat ourselves to a movie.
The day one a do-gooder decides to help me out and pay for my tickets, is the day I will stop downloading and watching movies.
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Whats that? Make movies takes money? Well, production companies front the money upfront. Hoping to expect a return. If they make less money due to downloads, it's because the movie was most likely crap.
Listen, I'll go to a overpriced resturaunt, if the food is good enough. If it's not worth it, I ain't buying it. But if a chef was out back, passing out some of this food for me to try for free, I would certainly see if it tastes good. If it sucks, no shirt off my back, if it's great, I'll end up paying for a meal there.
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"practicing stretching your mouth" hahaha WIN.
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not just the 14 minuts of reshhots, but other footage, i only saw this because the movie seemed to hop around alot and it felt like insert or second unit shots were missing (his escape from weapon x being a perfect example)anyone else get this feeling?
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Definitely. And now Fox are playing their hand just like they planned. Major sympathy from Hollywood. Next they'll be telling us that they have lost Millions and the judges in copyright cases will be hardening their resolve. I figure that this action alone will result in a few more Torrent sites being shut down. How convenient.
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in the I am Legend director thread. You've got to be fucking kidding me. He actually embedded an entire bootleg of a history channel documentary.
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If you don't like a product, you could always return it. That's the way it works.
However with Movies and Music, you cannot return them once they are open. Due to the fact, the stores think you just ended up copying off the movie and returning the original. Which I can understand. However..... I truly do think that if stores like HMV, Best Buy, Futureshop and Walmart had a proper return policy for Movies and Music(Within 15 days opened or Unopened). Less movies would be downloaded and I feel that less people would be willing to return the movie back if all they were concerned about was burning it off.
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Imagine a machine that can make anything. Like a replicator. It can make perfect food, perfect working machines and electronics. It makes these things by grabbing and manipulating atoms from the world around us. The air, or as some used to call it.. the ether. Nanotech at it's ultimate, the replicator. Something from nothing but self generated energy and self-replicating nano-scale robotics. When a family makes a perfect dinner... An "out of work" family in a home they built with their replicator... do they own Martha Stewart for the recipe? When the kid makes a bike so he can ride to school, would it be necessary for him to pay a fee to Schwinn for the basic but modified design? What about the TV they made? Should Philips get a monthly fee for use of the design? When the world has eliminated scarcity, I really hope you guys are not in charge and it all happens after you're too old to care anymore. Because you'd hand the world over to intellectual property rights and copyright/patent lawyers, corporate "individuals", lawmakers and thought police. You will never , ever live in a post-scarcity world unless you embrace advances. You would invite utopia over for the night and kill it in it's sleep for the 5 dollars in it's pockets. Just because you're USED to a way of monetizing ideas and information, does NOT mean it's the only way... the right way.. or the way it will be forever. Matter of fact, history disagrees with you and will generally shove your antiquated ass out of the way for the next big idea. Like it.. or not. Do any of you honestly think that if the major studios can no longer afford to make these huge, over-prices pieces of (usually) crap, someone won't be there waiting with the next BIG idea to take their places? DO NONE OF YOU pay attention to the history of the modern world? People and companies will be lining up to take their place with a better idea. And it will take PEOPLE to make these ideas real. Should we have subsidized the pinball machine industry? I miss seeing new ones, but enough people do NOT miss them enough to put them out of business. How about steamboats? Pneumatic tubes for moving documents? Those poor mechanical adding machine workers. What a disservice we did to them. I know what I'm saying probably seems radical, but it's just speculative. Of course we're nowhere near even truly self replicating nanobots, let alone a replicator. But when it does happen, and it will... will we sell Utopia out for a LEGACY patent and copyright economy?? This moral take on file sharing is kind of like the great grandson of what I'm proposing. The value of intellectual property is illusory. It's an illusion we've all signed up for... but here's the clencher... we signed up for it.. past tense. It's not permanent, this illusion. The hole in the stage floor is clearly visible. We're just in the first generation of audience who sees it clearly. And the next audience won't be buying a ticket. They know the trick.
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Well they did get "Dead Pool" Warren tonally right at the beginning.
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Even after they watched the entire movie. Do it on good faith, try it for a few months and see how it works.
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I'm just sayin'...
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that it was OK, not nearly as awful as some people here have made out. The first 30 mins or so had some good dialouge, some good action and it looked set to be a worthy entry into the X Men series. Things started to go downhill with the Gambit fight in the alleyway. The ending felt rushed, and they really seemed to miss a trick with the way they handled Deadpool. Not that I've read the comics so don't know how it compares, but at the start he's introduced as a pretty cool character who disappears for the rest of the film only to re-appear as a zombie who has none of the interesting traits he had at the start (the wisecracks, the samurai sword spinning). All I know is as an X Men film, it was definitely better than X3 and and those extra 15 minutes may make it pretty decent.
Yeah - that would be my verdict if I'd seen the film, but obviously I would never download a film like that because piracy infects babies with AIDS. -
Step away from the meat!!!!
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is that stealing?
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Some of you want more X-Men Origins and Wolverine movies? Why? Can't you be satisfied with your comic books?Hopefully this and Watchmen's low box office will kill most comic movies! Comic book movies run about 90% unwatchable shit.Very few of these movies turn out well, yet every comic fanboy want's their special pet book made into a movie. Green Lantern? Are you fucking kidding me?
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Well....watched the workprint, which was had good picture quality, unfinished cgi, temp score...ya know the drill.
The flick is worse than X3...
Some of the actors try to bring something more to the table but the script/storyline is just one the dumbest concepts played out on the screen.
15 more minutes, complete cgi, original score and such will not change this shallow, uninspired movie one bit....
The movie opens and you think.."thats not have bad...".
Then the story begins and it fall's apart.
They have changed the original comic book concept of these characters so much that it becomes just pathetic.
And stealing/copying stuff from other flick/tv shows...
Sad, sad, sad...
Piranjacy...
Harry, don't be gay...
I watch all new flicks streaming wise.
If I like a movie, I'll buy the DVD.
If I'm realy diggin that certain flick, I'll watch it at the flickhouse.
So please...get of that high horse, your breakin that poor things back, and don't be so gay...
In no way am I disrespecting Homosexuals, I some friends from them parts...
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You can't stop the music!!!
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Well said. But, I love to advocate the devil, so consider this: A major picture studio likes what you've written and is willing to pay you hundreds of thousands of dollars for that idea. Do you take the money, and become part of the past, or do you stick to your progressive guns and spurn the income, yelling "information wants to be free!" What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?!
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Er ... nobody else thinks Fox didn't ALLOW this to happen? So, if the movie tanks (and I'm sure it will), they can blame it on that rascally workprint being released a month beforehand, ruining it for everybody? Or that this is great publicity, especially garnering interest in people who might want to compare the workprint to the final product, or just by virtue of having WOLVERINE suddenly be front page news in every available outlet a month prior to release? And before we get all weepy over piracy and people losing money, bear this in mind: the production is INSURED, just like every other studio production, and this is a perfectly valid claim.
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Cash is king.
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...most of which I agree with. Of course all of this evolves, chances, shifts etc. as you say. That is a given...NOTHING is static, even human sexuality which many think is fixed before birth is subject to influences throughout life. But just because MANY cultures considered slavery...for example... to be "acceptable" or the norm NEVER made it moral. It was always wrong just like rape and murder.
Your take on information and technology and how it is shrared and the "War on Drugs" nonsense etc. is correct but a complete non sequitur to the morality angle. And I'm not Christian...so the boderline bigoted remark is ALSO a non sequitur because this has to do with morality NOT religion...why would you not include Muslim or Buddhist in that comment or just the word RELIGION? Do you think this is exclusive to Christians? I'm sure plenty of atheists and agnostics may refuse to d-load a movie for ethical reasons don't you?
So what would stop you from shoplifting the Wolverine DVD when it hits store shelves? The much higher probability of you getting caught. Fine. So you do it in the comfort of your own home. There are some people in this world who don't do many FAR worse things simply because they fear getting caught... NOT because of any moral code or values. I don't NOT steal because I may get caught.
At the end of the day it's your choice...it surely is not a major crime. I just don't feel I'm "sticking it to the man" by getting a movie for free that I can rent for 3 bucks which is no sweat of my back.
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Redbox is $1, and you get 2 for 1 e-mail promos all the time. And I only use it when Netflix has my selection on wait. When you pay $3 for something you can get for 50 cents, you are stealing from yourself. Think about that.
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That's how I live with myself.
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Did you guys know that there was a growing legal curiosity within the asshole catacombs of the RIAA to charge 'no cover/door charge' clubs for playing copyrighted music? I don't have a link to the article but it was about how their initial tirades into prosecuting music piracy during the Napster bs was so effective at getting them 'pre-won lawsuits' and how, in some cases, the government was going out of it's way to protect a private corporation, that they were getting a little "uppity" and were looking into the possibility of charging clubs a usage fee for playing music on nights without a cover/door charge. It also spoke of charging 'cover' bands with rights usage violations for performing copyrighted songs at a cost (door/cover) without permission and without paying the RIAA (you can buy Dark Knight on blu and have your friends over to watch but if you charge them to watch it, you just broke the copyright law, etc).I read about another story where they settled out of court for the entire life savings of an 19 year old kid (it amounted to just under $8000 he had saved for college) who had illegally dl'd some mp3's.None of that is something I've got linked so it's possible I'm not remembering it 100% accurate but the info is out there...That said, I'm not saying piracy is good or even that the industry deserves it...but I will say this...FUCK the industry (RIAA/MPAA). FUCK YOU. You assholes are bereft of creativity and just because you once facilitated the creative media of others does not mean you're fucking owed a thing. And it doesn't mean you're perpetually relevant either! YOU are not artistic and you haven't created dick except more dickless middle-aged puffy robo-sari-men like yourselves. Now you seem to think you deserve more than the artist and more than the fans and basically more than the guy in the sterile office next to you. And holy shit but who are we to think you shouldn't eh?There's a right way to do things and a legal way...sometimes those ways align...sometimes they don't. These pricks almost always follow the law but they NEVER do the right thing. Not for the creative talent and not for the fans. There are exceptions but the rule is these dicks make the most coin and have most of the power and ZERO artistic talent and ZERO artistic creativity. I realize the process is still necessary but how these overblown, gluttonous "middle men" got to be so intrinsically necessary and so overtly controlling just pisses me off to no end. They artificially control far too much and they offer zero creative input. For that reason alone, I'd morally side with the pirates. As it is, it makes me sad that pirate or not, the one who will always loose out are the ones creating this stuff in the first place. The musicians, the writers, the painters, the artists always loose. Whether we pirate or not. The majority of that reason lies solely at the sticky hands and feet of the RIAA/MPAA machine.Now, evolving technology looks to make these assclowns obsolete in music but obviously not in movies unless private citizens go back to being major investors (yes, I know this still happens but can you name one big budget flim that had just one or 2 'rich guy/girl' investors lately?).Sorry to rant but human beings possessed of great talent are the ones who actually define us as a species. Do you think all this technology matters? Money, cars? It's a means to an end. Newer and better ways of doing the same shit we've always been doing. It's nice but not what matters. What matters is what we had to say and the forms in which we said them...in music, art, motion pictures, etc. Not money and not cars and 12 room mansions and offshore accounts. That's fleeting bullshit that only means something to you and those who envy you. When we're all dead and gone what you own means exactly dick; what you create? Well, that's another story!And the fact that bullshit technology and greedy fuckin devouring blackhole human beings have to get their grubby fucking hands all over shit that, at the end of the day, they just tool from one side of the yard to the other, is frustrating to me. You're obsolete, assholes. You're not really needed and within a generation you'll be not only unneeded but an actual impediment to art and music.Wake up and smell the smellin salts suzie! And then quietly go fuck yourselves.For all the exceptional others who keep the artist and the art first and foremost while managing to be honorable facilitators in a stinking shit stew of lecherous asswipes...may you have the eternal blessings of the imagination of all things in the Universe. If only it was you...then in all likelihood piracy, as we know it, wouldn't exist.
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That's seriously fucked up. We need to do a Chris Brown on the RIAA.
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Or is it worse?
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http://tinyurl.com/b3rusp
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Apr 02, 2009 1:11:29 PM CDT
THE RIAA HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR INCREASED VIOLENCE IN OUR SOCI
by chaimbensexyback
because of their proliferation of gangsta rap. Who weeps for their victims? Who pays for the damage done to our society, and the generations to come? Will the RIAA compensate women for their degraded image and stature? Fuck the Man. Fuck him up the ASSS!!!!!
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Why does not Harry bitch how these movie companies want to control our ownership of things that we purchased. The DRM issue is a joke. Although we pay for media, they are telling us what we can do with it...... Videogame companies want us not to be able to resell our games after we are done with them...... That is fair? Long live AXXO, DS, PSP, and X360 hacks. As long as one-sided contracts exist where an Internet company can terminate "unlimited usage" whenever they want, or Apple can control where we install OS X that we purchased, etc... piracy will thrive...
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I take the money while it's there. It's not about destroying the past, it's about acceptance and looking forward when the time comes. If the industry dies (as we know it), it will NOT be about just downloading. It'll be about something else demanding our entertainment dollars OR the emergence of technology that makes the creation of major motion picture quality content massively cheaper. Which we're seeing the beginnings of now with HD footage from consumer cameras, fitted with different glass and modified. And it's coming dangerously close to film look now. Here's just one example:
http://tinyurl.com/dhydlx
The "revolution" will do fine while we still take paychecks. As the discussed "industries" evolve, selling out will never be an issue again. It may end up being the only WAY to monetize. (look at all the indie music in commercials all the way from those darlings of Montreal going "outback tonight" while maintaining their indie cred to the .. what is it now.. hundreds of relatively unknown artists in mac ads)
Similar things will have to happen (and have with product placement) with the film biz. And it doesn't have to hurt or stand out(ET eating Reeses Pieces like they're little candy coated balls of heroin). But smarter people than you and I will always find new ways to make money off content. When money isn't an issue anymore, can you imagine entertainment being WORSE when the only motivation is storytelling without budget limits? The only obstacles being finding other people willing to help bring your idea to fruition? Sounds like a better world of entertainment to me. -
Hey man,, I watched it,,and I'll watch it again in theaters. I gotta tell ya though, I first came to this website when someone had a pic of the cyclops visor for the first Xmen movie. It leaked, you guys posted it, and that was badass. Now you fuckers are belly aching about how you're gonna ban talkbackers for talking back about the movie !! Fucking amazing ! You guys sold out and dont even know it. Fuck Fox. It's movie news, this is a movie news website, you print it. It's not like its nuclear secrets,, dont give me that journalistic integrity bullshit. You guys are trading integrity for access. Good luck with that. I'll be over at Film Drunk where they at least have the balls to call a shitty movie shitty. Massaworm,,, ur not included in that last remark. You can still call a turd a turd,, even if it offends a studio. Later Fuckers
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...the sound you just heard was the cocking of Jim Cameron's shotgun followed by this very terse speech:"Anyone who leaks my movie...is gonna answer directly to me. Do you hear me, maggots?!"
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He's a BAD MOFO!!!
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Blockbuster online...so I either order a slew per month and and get a deal or order one and pay $19.95 for it. Ouch. Use or lose.
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so you lot are saying Wolverine sucks floppy donkey dick then? In all honesty who couldn't see this kind of thing coming. Fox is a shitastic place to make a movie anymore, with that Rothman douche bag and all.
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According to your reasoning China with it's non-existent intellectual property laws is the paradise where this "next big thing" could be taking place right now, but what do we see instead? What happened in Hong Kong after the Chinese took over and piracy skyrocketed? NOTHING replaced the previous model of film production. That cultural richness was lost down a rathole of greed. The infrastructure is merely kept supported by the State. The vast majority of money spent on filmed entertainment in China never makes it to the actual creators, but supports a huge parasitic industry and various criminal organizations. The Chinese software industry should also be flourishing by your logic but instead it's practically non-existent, dwarfed along with it's film industry by Indian software and films thanks to India's greater respect for IP.
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I liked Gambit too, but hated how in the scene where Wolverine punches him uncouncious in order to fight Victor, he reapears minutes later running in some rooftops from far away. Did he wake up, run a couple of blocks, go up a builing, and run back to the same spot to (for some reason) stop the fight between Wolvie and Victor?
Somebody should start talking about the movie and stop the piracy debate that's going nowhere. We might as well start it up, stupidmop.
I thought the movie was way worse than X3, wich at least had some fun moments. This one reminded me of Elektra in a lot of ways. I loved the cameo at the end, thou. I found most new characters boring. The Blob didn't do anything but box badly, Dominic Monagahan's character was lame. I really like the actor, and I thought he was gonna play Beak (that birdy guy that can't even fly) so it was one more disapointment. And why did they choose a teleporter? After Nightcrawler, a black guy with a cowboy hat is just lame. Oh, and are Emma Frost and Silver Fox sisters or did I misunderstood something? -
this site to the highest bidder and he said no. I find harrys animated gif revolting. If all this stuff is true about wolverine. fox's fuck U to the critics has not worked. When this gets released this is going to get carved up. Fox never forgave Harry knowles for his review of Rollerball. that movie stank. Harry said so in no uncertain terms. Fox went purple with rage. We gave you a copy of the phantom menace. we scratch ur back and we hoped you would scratch ours. so the thinking went. you didnt so you can fuck yourself. Harry has many alias on this site. so when someone said they dont like x-men 3. I know its Harry. I havent forgetton his vendetta against that movie. nor his stupid ego driven kiss ass nonsense that was his mission impossible 3 review. Harry though he was actually tom cruise. weirdo.
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Good discussion, by the way. I didn't mean to single out judeo- christian society in any way. I was just speaking to their influence on US culture. Islam and others just have not had the same kind of impact (or at least not that we are conscious of).
I don't agree that morality is static like that. I think the majority in this country saw slavery as morally justified. No man commits evil he knows is evil. (and I hate the term evil.. it's usually a point of view thing .. written in stone by whoever wins the argument by force in the end anyway) We'd like to imagine, and it makes us feel good to imagine that MOST people knew it was bad to enslave other human beings. But that's just it, they didn't consider them full human beings. Their very real, true and accepted morality justified their actions. As long as there was consensus, it was the moral truth of the moment. Absolute. WE developed as a species(and a country) and informed our consensus with experience, science and yes.. even religious morality. But hell, even rape and murder are murky. Justified here... called something else there.. In some countries a pregnant RAPED woman can be put to death for adultery. And it is morally justified by their religious beliefs. When only our religion dictates consensus and we ignore science and experience, this is the result. But that's another animal... right? How long do we have? lol
So I genuinely did not mean to direct anything negative to a particular religion or blame it solely. I meant to explain that when we bend toward ONLY accepted moralistic norms and never question the reason behind the morals, we have but one culprit and it goes by MANY names.
I don't think it's a non sequitur at all. I think that the idea of someone accepting the monetizing of creative works requires a social contract, NOT morality. Look at it from the beginning, it's always been about an agreement. The thing itself is meant to be shared. We created new and unique ways of delivering that experience. And those ways cost money, SO we agreed to give it value. I mean, we've always agreed that if something is good, it is valued. But in the "olden days" that which was horrible just didn't survive. Now as the cost of "moving" that experience (song, story, etc) goes way down, the people who control the means of moving it through the old channels want the deal to stay the same. They want us to IGNORE that they changed the rules of the game and it's not even halftime from a certain perspective.
I think social contracts are only valid if all the parties agree that they have a fair deal. Clearly, this is not the case. Oh, sure, mobile phone providers charge over a thousand dollars per MB (yeah, megaBYTE.. not gig) for txt msgs. But we all know data is CHEAP. The justification for the price of say... an LP was always about the artist (hrm..), the cost of the medium, the cost of distribution, profit for the label and profit for the retailer.
Now...
If you eliminate ONLY the medium, the physical distribution of that medium, the physical retail space and STILL pay the artist AND the label (for what .. promotion? okay).. 99 cents a song? Are you KIDDING ME? People just accept it, but a LOT of us know better. And we feel like it's breach of that social contract. And we're sick of it.
Also, to that last part of your post... a copy is not a physical object when it's just bits. I'm sure you've heard the analogy before.
MOMMY.. MOMMY... Billy stole a copy of my bicycle and I want it back NOW!!
OMGWTFBBQ!!??
What a selfish little tard that child is.
The few films I have downloaded (Battle Royale? which I now own on DVD) have been unavailable at the time or in some way changed or restricted in the US. Music? Guilty as charged. But if I like it, I want a good copy of it and will want the liner notes, art and the physical object. Call me old fashioned, but I guess in that way I am. But if it ends up sucking.... no way in hell am I shelling out cash for it. And now that radio is pretty much a little corporate whore all around, I look at the internet as my cool little college radio station that lets me listen when I want to. Buy when I like.
In the end, it IS a moral judgment. But I think it's a judgment that is showing it's age, lack of awareness, it's lack of perspective and ignorance of history.
And DoctorWho? I may not agree with you, but I think you're one of the good talkbackers. This stuff is endlessly fascinating to me and as evidenced, I can go on forever with sharp people who have opinions about it like yourself. -
The star of Gavin and stacey, Matthew Horne has collapsed while appearing in a play alongside Imelda stauton. Horne fell to the floor near the start of the second half. more to follow.... Imelda staunton thanked the audience for their patience. Hornes co-star asked for a dr. after Horne collapsed.
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Apr 02, 2009 2:03:50 PM CDT
Gotik it costs $40 for the tools to paint the next Mona Lisa
by darth_inedible
Anyone can head on down to Pearl and buy the paint, brushes and canvas themselves... So why aren't more people out there painting the next great Mona Lisa-level works of art in their garages? How are cheap consumer level HD cameras going to replace a crew of hundreds each with decades of art, craftsmanship and storytelling ability?
Filmmaking, like writing, painting, songwriting or any skill really is something that takes years of practice and experience to master. Only societies that value these skills and reward their creators for dedicating their lives to mastery of these subjects can produce these cultural works.
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was i pirating music. Did the music industry try to halt panasonic from making all those boom boxes ?
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First off, lets not kid our selves – if something hurts movie sales it hurts people working on films. Sure, the crew might not be Americans, which I would have preferred, but instead Australians or Canadians, but those are still people who need those jobs to survive. And yes, everyone working on this film has been paid already, but if the overall film worlds profit margins go down than they will find the number of jobs cut or their pay reduced. So yes, it can hurt the little man.
Secondly, I don’t think of intellectual property is illusionary. As someone who works in the film business trying to make it big, I consider what I create to be something I should be paid for, and I don’t see it as other people’s right to somehow get it for free without being compensated. If ownership or an idea or a piece of art is nonexistent, than what is next: adapting a book without the writer’s permission or any payment, or just taking someone’s screenplay and shooting it without paying him? And not to go all Ayn Rand, but what is the incentive to make anything if you won’t get rewarded for it?
Finally, no matter how you try to phrase this or justify it, downloading movies is stealing. Would you consider buying a pirated DVD to be stealing? Or how about a packaged DVD that “fell” off a truck? How about sneaking into a movie theatre without paying? How are those so different from a downloaded video? It is seeing something for nothing,
And this constant ranting about this being the start of a revolution is just laughable. Yes, the entire business model and movie going paradigm might be shifting, but don’t constantly talk as if what you are doing is somehow noble and it is you who are part of this new order. It is just the same old justification for a bunch of people who feel they are entitled to something for free.
Sure, maybe the old studio systems and distribution methods will be done with in 10 years, but that is for the market to figure out, not a bunch of self-justifying nerds. Like I said before, you don’t like a movie, than don’t see it. There is nothing that requires you to see every movie that comes out, or to see any movies at all. This constant railing against Hollywood films is just childish – stop seeing them until they make something you want to see.
The only reasonable new model presented here was by gothlik (which he presented in-between his manifesto for the upcoming revolution) where advertising dollars might make up the lost revenue. Of course, advertising dollars have been going down in recent years, so that might not be the best answer, but at least it was an idea about a new model instead of the same-old we are entitled everything approach.
At the very least admit what you are doing is stealing or wrong. Hell, I used to sneak into movies all the time and I used to download old pulp novels. One thing I didn’t do was somehow rationalizing it as being something noble or good. I just admitted, “Hey, I wanted something and I didn’t feel like paying.” If I got caught I was willing to accept the consequences. There is nothing more pathetic than someone who won’t admit when he did something wrong. You all act like that guy in prison who keeps coming up with excuses why he robbed banks and keeps trying to act like he is the victim, instead act like Willie Sutton and admit it. When someone ask you why you downloaded a film from the internet, just say “Because that way I can watch it.”
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Anyone can buy the brushes as you say. Isn't youtube evidence enough that anyone who thinks they can make a movie, make it and post it. Look at movies like Cloverfield or Quarentine and you see that this has permeated Hollywood. There is no years of practice or expertise there. I see 90 minutes of youtube.
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The "industry" will never evolve in your imaginary vacuum. It'll never happen here like it did with China. Now, if China was a free society, that's a different story. Besides, I was talking about a POST-SCARCITY society, not communistic socialism. No need for such terms without scarcity. And NO society that exists today even resembles post-scarcity. Do I need to define scarcity, or do you get it now? I don't mean to be pissy about it, and I know my rants can be long.. but did you even read it?
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Those films are just bad examples. Studio stuff made to look indie. Indie film that will impress you on shoestring budgets are not even in infancy yet, they're barely fetal. And you can see only the faintest hints of what's to come on youtube. And I don't mean the stuff made popular. I mean people playing, modifying, experimenting. It won't LOOK like it was made with consumer equipment. The films you cite were supposed to look that way.
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so much for lack of press
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label, they are Capitalists. They aren't making films for humanitarian reasons. It is a business, and they are in it to make money. For those of you out there who don't live in your mom's basement, would you do your job for free? It seems the mentality here is that the film industry is run by a bunch of greedy, evil corporate types, and its OK to steal their product, especially if the movie sucks. Tell me, if everyone, or even most everyone, illegally downloaded movies instead of paying for them, to the point were movies were not seeing a profit, what incentive would anyone have to make them? I want the industry to keep putting out product, even if I end up paying for the occasional shitty movie here and there. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Is the 10 or 12 bucks to see a movie such a problem that it warrants theft?
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I could care less about the studio's copyright laws. Never have. I can't remember the last time I actually paid for music or movies other than seeing it live at a concert or at a theater. That's what file sharing and DVD burners are for. But why would any self respecting fan of this character want to see this movie in it's unfinished form? Or any film in it's unfinished form for that matter? I just don't get it.
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What in the world that fails does NOT hurt the little man? Seriously! Isn't that the way it works? Nobody wants what you make and you don't get the big bucks. If I made a crap film and no-one watched it, do I get a check? And should everyone that didn't watch my crap film be forced to pay the paychecks of all who WOULD have worked on my non-existent second film? Come on! Do you genuinely think that with TV doing better than ever (fact) and alternate distributions/monetizing happening left and right out there, that someone downloading a FILM is going to mean some set designer will be out of work? No friggen way. If the company he or she works for goes out of business because they couldn't find a way to make money in today's market, why do they deserve THAT job instead of another one for a company that's cutting edge, or has a new idea??
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Except there's a reason WHY everyone is downloading and this STILL has not happened. They are still raking in shitloads of cash. Worry does not equal reality and I see they've reached you with their little campaigns showing workers instead of their new yachts and mansions.
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first, yes, piracy is wrong. it IS stealing, and there's really no way to explain your way out of that. i AM guilty of having downloaded music before (not movies), but, as some have already stated on here, if i like a band, and they deserve my money, i'll give it to them, because i enjoy having the CD cases and artwork for my collection. as far as movies go, same thing; if i happened to download a movie (which i would REALLY have to be looking forward to it to do so, i.e. WWWTA), and enjoyed it, i would definitely want to see it on a big screen eventually, as well as buy the DVD upon its release. i DO see this as either a massive act of sabotage, or, as others have speculated, a last-ditch effort from FOX to generate hype for a flick that they feel is going to fail miserably. second, while i obviously don't know the fellas that write for this site personally, often it is apparent that some of them aren't the most scrupulous individuals. the AOTC clones incident featuring Mr. Knowles-Tarantino-Rodriguez-Stallone-Binks ("meesa like him") is a crystal example of this, along with his knack for giving slobbering reviews to films that were released from studios which, at one point or another, tossed a heaping bag of "pwesents" down his chimney like a Mafioso Santa Claus looking to buy off a jury. Having said that, this post SEEMS to be a deliberate announcement of the presence of the movie available for all interested, thinly veiled as inside of a "please-take-us-back-into-your-wonderful-world-of-pwesents-and-advanced-screenings" note.
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I really don't think we disagree after all...just a matter of semantics really.
I too am quite guilty of d-loading some tunes (and certainly taping friends LP's back in the day) but when it comes down to something I really dig...I go and buy. I see it as casting a vote for and supporting those artists.
The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.
Hunter S. Thompson
"No man commits evil he knows is evil." This is true. Hitler certainly did not wake up every morning saying "What kind of evil can I perpetrate today?" He thought what he was doing would make a better world. I do however, have no problem with the word evil as it applies to true sadists who take pleasure in watching innocents suffer.
There's SO much more to comment on but I'm at work and gotta run.
Thanks for the great points!!
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Yeah, I understand those films were supposed to look that way, just like Blair Witch was supposed to be actual footage. But its any tom dick or harry with a camera that can post on youtube that will perpetuate crappy movies like these coming out. No can light a scene like Conrad Hall, or have the camera slowly explore a scene like DePalma. These are the people with the years of experience and the mastery of their craft.
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By that logic you could say stealing cars is ok...that's what slim jim's are for.
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You said it yourself. Only a society that values these skills and rewards their creators. So what if no-one comes to that party? What if society ends up valuing beauty that emerges from individual genius (Mona Lisa anyone?) instead of bloated budgets and 502 too many teamsters? We can want all we want.. wish.. hope for nothing to change. But what if it just DOES? Oh, you see.. the thing is people like you cried wolf like this far too many times in the past. TV will ruin this... jukeboxes will ruin that... the printing press will lat ANY OLD schmuck publish his insanity and it'll SPREAD!! Oh hell, let's go back to not wanting people to read and write. That's how long and how many times a change in the way we communicate, distribute and .. well... just ENJOY things.. has made a certain portion of the population side with the people screaming about the sky falling. And guess what, buddy.
The sky is still there, every time. EVERY time. Oh sure, I can't buy Dark Side of the Moon in quad on an 8 track anymore. But no-one cares. That's how it's always played out. And now it's just a matter of time again. -
Did you forget so soon?
Mommy mommy!! Billy stole a copy of my bike!!
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Conrad Hall was one of the GREATS... and DePalma explores a scene like no one else.
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Oh there's no question. I'm not denying that talent is real. I'm just saying that from what I've seen, a new revolution is emerging. And I certainly do NOT expect something in it's infancy to contain the genius of a master like Conrad Hall or Vilmos Zsigmond. But like with any medium, genius WILL emerge. In spite of budget and crew size. And sometimes it's the limitations that spur genius.
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Either someone who was working on the movie got fired and wanted to seek epic vengeance or they thought it would be a harmless April Fool's joke.
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You miss my point. Yes, if one company or industry becomes a dinosaur it should fail. If people can pirate films easily and if companies don't make a good enough product to warrant people going to the threatre, than they will evolve or die. I understand and believe that.
What I am arguing against here isn't to somehow prop up and industry, but instead against all those who justify downloading as something harmless and as being noble. To make an extreme comparison, the terrorist hitting us on 9-11 showed us how vulnerable are planes were and what steps we needed to take to protect ourselves against future attacks. We take those steps and make those changes or else we keep getting hit, but what we don't do is send Al Queda a thank you card for pointing out a flaw in our security. Studios, distributors and people in the entertainment industry have to change, but just don't act like downloading is a polite message to them when really it is a rude shock.
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A CD/LP is not the thing itself either...merely the vehicle.
You could argue the only real thing would be to experience the music live by the artist. Any reproduction regardless of the medium (plastic CD or virtual bytes) is the "product". There's a word I hate when it comes to art.
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Sure, some talent will rise out of the internet, but the majority of stuff we will find is crap. One problem is that it takes years and years of training to become talented at anything (I believe someone once said it takes about 10,000 hours to truly master something, or about 10 years). The problem with the new cheap technology is that it suddenly opens the doors to everyone, and a lot of those people have no place entering this profession. Also, the technology gives people the illusion they can master it quickly, and our societies instant gratification complex will make it that people will think they deserve a three picture deal after making only one bad HD video and putting it online. Hopefully amongst all those haystacks of shit we will be able to recognize the one good needle and it won't get buried or lost.
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Its really funny listening to you trip over your feet trying to discourage Wolverine downloads. Next you will be telling kids to say no to drugs and be in bed by 10. Just imagine, a site founded on giving early news about movies poopooing watching a movie nearly a month early, as if that means we won't go see it in the theatre. AICN is getting incredibly uncomfortable when it comes to their studio relationships. It would better for you to at least fake like you are independent, because this is just so embarrasing
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I have seen it...no comment on how it was. BUT since I do short film work, I found it very informative and interesting on how and where they insert the CGI shots.. This has been more of a learning experience then a entertaining one..this was perfect for me.
I will see it in the theaters for sure.
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He's fucking distracting.
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I've always thought that too. Many self indulgent people "expressing themselves (while okay in and of itself) are referred to as artists. True artists are few and far between these days replaced by 'pop' artists...which I can still enjoy as well.
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Thanks for reminding me of the glory days. That was very professional.
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I totally agree.Like him or not, I think Robert Rodriguez is someone doing exactly what you describe. I'm not calling him a genuis mind you, but he does what he can on a budget and turns it into a profit. The studios would have us believe that dvd sales fell last year because of downloading. I don't remeber exactly but it fell by a few billion dollars, but was still above $20 billion. Was that due to saturation or downloading or bad product. Of course they'll point to movies like Dark Knight and Iron Man which did well at the box office to sell their point. If they make a good movie, people will go to see it in a theater. if they make an ok movie or bad movie, people will not go and see it and opt for a download instead.
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So AICN are fine to accept reviews from other illegal sources, such as people sending in reviews after agreeing not to write one, or reviewing leaked scripts, but an actual movie! oh noes!
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Apr 02, 2009 3:37:25 PM CDT
anyone who says they wouldnt buy anything they stole is a liar
by bmacsmith
including me.
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Apr 02, 2009 3:40:08 PM CDT
I'D RATHER SAVE THE AUTO INDUSTRY THAN FILM INDUSTRY
by chaimbensexyback
I can live on talkbacks and Dancing With The Stars as my only sources of entertainment. Everything else is a waste of my time.
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And then worry about the rabble later. Tragedy she's dead but go read about Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez and how her band had a number 1 single (Don go chasing waterfalls or something) and yet they were all broke. Why? It's a convoluted process but it's simplified as such: you (your band) gets signed and gets a loan to produce a CD; once finished you now owe that money to the label. All is good and fair. But then they tell you that your percentage off any sales goes first to pay off the loan meanwhile the label takes like around 85% - 90% of the profit while the 15% to 10% you make goes directly to the label to pay off the production loan. After the loan is payed off, then you start making a profit for what YOU created.Now, let's not argue the paradigm but just break it down a little. Nobody expects the label to make zero dollars until the production loan is paid back but why is it they get to dictate the details of the contract exclusively and then keep the majority of the profits while the pittance the creator makes all goes to pay the label off. You know what usually happens? The cd doesn't see that well and then the band is in debt to the label for the offset. Who controls PR and distribution? The label. Who pays the prices if the label does a shitty job? The creator. Who pays for distribution? The creator as part of the production loan.So what then does the label provide?Connections and buy time with their corporate radio stations.Once upon a time it wasn't so bad and everybody made decent coin even if the creator was always getting the least for his or her efforts but then profit became obsession and now those same corporate gatekeepers startedd holding back on anything that didn't scream bankability, hence the glut of teeny-bopper music and the advent of pop invading all forms of modern music (my theory is pop is like a virus, it's not its own form of music, it invades all genres and makes a mockery of them)Of course this is an oversimplification and not the same thing that happens in the world of cinema but the "wrong is wrong even if it helps ya" as Popeye would say does hold true in terms of the legal aspects. But the TB'ers defending the industries and the "man" responsible for so much crap and so much uneven largess when they have created exactly dick blows my mind.If my neighbor made the greatest, sweetest lemonade in the world and yet I was the only guy with lemons; who do you think should make the most money? Bad analogy sure but the guy who facilitates hasn't created shit and should only get what his work is worth: transportation.
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but doing so by downloading their movies is bad? does it matter if either way fox get no dolla?
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Some cogs are bigger than others.
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Why are you holding out on the lemons, biotch?
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Fuck FOX. They haven't done more than a handful of decent movies in years. What they HAVE done is pissed on the X-Men, Alien, Predator, and Die Hard series to name a very few. Wolverine better be Dark Knight caliber to erase the memory of that X-Men 3 shitfest and all the rest of Rothman's crimes against humanity.
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Apr 02, 2009 3:50:14 PM CDT
SHOULD THE GUY WHO INVENTED SPINNING RIMS BE AMPLY REWARDED?
by chaimbensexyback
Or lynched? I vote the latter.
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yeah, except they dont sell Slim Jims at Best Buy. Why the fuck do you care?
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any other movie company id have an ounce of sympathy but... FUCK FOX FUCK THEM,, FUCK THEM
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I dont even get into x-men but have seen it and the other 3. Dug it alot.
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I have to agree. Genius doesn't happen often. But if it did, it wouldn't be special. I just disagree with your assessment of what the future has in store for "internet" talent. I'm not sure there's any that's not using the internet, at least in some way.
But see, this is where we probably diverge again. Two words... punk rock.
Certainly not mastery. But still relevant, powerful, real. Mastery doesn't always lead to great art. Sometimes it prevents it. Look how many out of this world guitarists/drummers we have in the world. Most of them making utter garbage carbon copies of their hero's works. And sometimes the heroes are crap, too. But MASTERS of their instrument. (hint: it's why so many people watch American Idol... people generally think mastery equals creative talent and creative, original works) I just get sick of watching people master the same things over and over when the really interesting thing would be to see someone who doesn't know what the previous "masters" created do something entirely new but.. maybe a little messy. It's just opinions and taste at that point though. -
Apr 02, 2009 4:18:54 PM CDT
Gotik, the element you're still missing is the ability of a medi
by darth_inedible
..sustain itself while this 'individual genius' develops. Young Da Vinci didn't hone his painting skills in his garage between shifts at Taco Bell, and he didn't sit at a stall at the flea market trying to sell them to the public. There was a well established patronage system in Renaissance Italy that supported the arts that was something like today's corporate patronage. You often had to compromise your vision and paint what your clients requested. At 14 Leonardo apprenticed with Verrocchio(who was employed by the ruler of Florence) and later he was employed by the Duke of Milan. By invalidating the current corporate IP model we risk destroying the current apprentice/patron system that takes young aspiring artists, musicians and writers and allows them to dedicate their entire lives to mastering these skills.
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I would think they had an agenda because Fox fucked them over for Watchmen.
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Yeah, the CD is not the thing itself.
EXCEPT IT IS!
It's a physical thing you can remove from a retailer's shelf space, stuff it in your pocket. I was responding to the idea that moving a copy around through a network is the same as stealing a physical object. It's just not, not even remotely. When the means of copying/moving become near or AT free, value is OBVIOUSLY reduced. Except we have an industry (and obviously some people not familiar with the concept and willing to swallow anything) that wants us to forget that. It doesn't feel like I'm wasting my time, but I could see how some people could feel that way after a while. It's really not circular. You're just circling. I know you can see it. This time it just feels like you're trying to make it *seem* circular. If it costs 200 dollars to copy a thing and 400 to move said copy from point a to point b, there is value. If all of a sudden (hey look, INTERNET!) it costs .00001 cent to copy it (only energy) and .000001 to send it...AND no physical object moved from point a to point b (only a facsimile) guess what? It's value is reduced and CANNOT any longer be compared to a single physical object. When neighbor A says "hey, you want one of these?" to neighbor B and doesn't ask for money, the value is reduced again. When the neighborhood is shrunk (the world at your fingertips) .. the value what we decide it is. In other words..
What we value, we want to see more of. And we want to see at the best possible quality. How do you like your 3d TV? Right.. because you don't have one. Improving the experience is only ONE of the ways the film biz will save itself. Like I said elsewhere, people smarter than us will find new ways to make money off their works.
I remember how much I HATED cassette tapes. But it's how I FOUND new music. Then I'd go out and buy the album, then later the CD. It was never theft. And it never will be, no matter how small or how large my peer group or groups of friends becomes. -
I started out writing to complain about how its bullshit for AICN to moan about leaks being "bad for business" and that they should post continually updated links to the pirated material. Without having read the 500 posts above, however, I'm hoping that the talkback itself will fulfill this function. So perhaps AICN is doing its job, in a roundabout way.
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Apr 02, 2009 4:26:00 PM CDT
Someone asked if 10-12 dollars for a movie warrants theft...
by pissed off and bitter
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We didn't break the social contract with big media. They did. They wanna be the ineffectual middle management of art, they'll have to do better than over-charging for inferior works and then suing their customers for not valuing it.
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Apr 02, 2009 4:32:16 PM CDT
I just have to jump in here into this bench clearing brawl...
by jackofhearts29
The irritainment industry sucks flaming molten penis shaft. These are the scumbags who rode their Porsches to Cocaineville on the back of overpriced CDs in the 90s then stabbed buyers in the back as a prize for their loyalty when they jumped online and started sharing music/movies on the nets instead. FUCK 'EM. Let them taste the rotten fruit pulp of the economic downturn along with everybody else... let them live on the pellets of hardened earwax that are the residue of their shitty pop-cultural product.
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http://www.aintitbalenews.com/
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Sorry for not responding to that last part. Yes, that we can agree on. Stealing a work print is theft. Of an unfinished work at that. But after that, sorry. Lost me. The people who watch? Thieves as well? Not even remotely. Nail the guy who stole it to the cross. Not the others. (and .. just to note... I wouldn't download it even if it was the series finale of Lost.. but that's MY value judgment, for me.) Once it's out there, there's no undoing it. It's human nature and curiosity. If we had a cure for that, we'd have a cure for something that wasn't a sickness in the first place. Attaching a morality to it that makes other people feel better rings of scapegoating.
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Best. Fucking. Post. Ever.
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for aintitbalenews. just stop and savor the professionalism.
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Makes you wanna slap a hooker. You gettin' this camera guy? ..(too obscure?)
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To mop up the blood
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That is where I think my point can be best made. Despite it’s rough sound, even punk rock required mastering, The original Ramones (Johnny, Tommy, Dee Dee and Joey) all took up instruments and practiced years before they formed the Ramones in 1974. In fact Joey took up the drums exactly 10 years prior, and Johnny and Tommy joined a band called Tangerine Puppets in 1967. So the Ramones had many hours and years to perfect their craft even before they took the last name Ramone.
Same with the Stooges: Iggy Pop was a drummer in a number of bands during High School; and Ron Ashton had five years of experience on the ACCORDION before he took up guitar at age five. So they also had years of experience and practice before they even recorded their first album, The Stooges. The same rule seems to apply to most punk bands, with the exception of The Sex Pistol (but they might be the exception that proves the rule).
But let me give you an example of my own – The Beatles. All four Beatles played instruments long before they met – they were all talented musicians before they even joined the group (including Ringo, who was an experienced drummer thanks to playing with local band Rory Storm and the Hurricanes). They played a lot together, and did ungodly number of shows in Hamburg to help them perfect their craft. I have no doubt that they amassed the magical number of 10,000 hours in just a short time from when they formed in 1957 to when they made it big in 1961 thanks to how often they performed. And coincidentally, the other magic number of 10 years is almost the exact amount of time from when McCartney and Lennon teamed up to when Sgt. Pepper came out. The Beatles are the epitome of the idea of mastering a craft.
I am not saying that there won’t be people out there mastering the art of independent filmmaking – anything, the advances in technology and the lowering of cost will increase the number of people. My only concern is them being buried under an onslaught of bad movies and videos. Unlike music, which does require some talent with an instrument, making movies to most people sometimes only requires turning on a camera and than posting it.
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Fuck
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Going on 8 months in the Star Wars contest.
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Why was I not informed about this earlier? I mean, I was a friggin' PROFESSIONAL! You think someone would mention there is an awesome bale news site!
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But only during a matinee. I actually WASN'T going to watch it, based on the crummy previews. Good film, but losing his memories from a adamantium bullet to the head? Why the heck would Stryker know that would work??? It WAS cool seeing what parts were CGI and which parts were real. And I have to laugh at the mischieviousness of releasing this pirate copy on April Fool's Day!HAHA!!! Suck it, FOX! :D
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All the SPecial effects in the world could not save that but a good performance by Liev Schrieber. I hope this does not ruin his chance to be better Comic Book Characters in the future. If I had to rate it I'd say Worst then X3 better then Daredevil (but not by much).
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I'm sure this has been said many times here so far, I just don't feel like spending all day reading the comments and seeing what points have already been made.You know why you're complaining about piracy stealing all your "hard-earned" money? It's because you crank out these garbage demographic-ass-kissing movies with the goal of simply making a few million net profit after DVD and overseas sales a year after the movie is released. You make these absolutely awful "flicks" with the "hip, teenage audience" in mind, with mindless explosions, ridiculous scenarios, and shamelessly cheesy "look-how-hip-and-cool-our-characters-are" dialog, all with the mentality of "Oh, well we know it's crap, but there's still a market for this stuff, and the casual moviegoer will go see it just for fun and we'll at least make a few million after all is said and done".And then you're shocked and dismayed when this same "casual moviegoer" crowd, the ones who you so desperately market these awful movies to, decide to just go online and download it because they already know that it's just gonna be mindless entertainment. Wow, who saw that coming?!Either send your terrible "casual-moviegoer-slambang-action-fun" movies straight to DVD, or just start making better movies. Or just shut the hell up. Hollywood spoon-feeds us these mindless films and then has the audacity to complain when people stop wanting to pay 10 bucks to go see them.As much as I hate the 95% of movies in theaters that are made for the sole purpose of appealing to certain crowds and making money, I understand that it's an industry. So I'm not saying bad movies should be completely done away with, because that's unrealistic given that there are still plenty of people who somehow enjoy them. So that's great. Keep making them all you want. But stop bitching when people stop lining your target-demographic-raping pockets with THEIR hard-earned money. I'm not even talking about this Wolverine movie, since I haven't seen it and have no idea how good or bad it may or may not be. Just stop making the "sure-thing" projects that get green-lighted by the executives once they're told that it'll make them a few million in profit in a year or two. Do away with that nonsensical mentality altogether. I'm not saying you have to make nothing but blockbuster record-breaking artistic films, but you're not gonna stop piracy. Sorry. So evolve with the times and STOP MAKING CRAP to help minimize your losses. Now be silent.
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...than no one would steal is a ridiculous argument. It is like saying, "Hey, if you stopped offering these crappy clothes here at Target I would stop shoplifting.
People steal when the benefits outweigh the consequences; it has nothing to do with the quality of the product. They are two separate things. People stop robbing jewelry stores when they store owners increase their security making them a hard target; not when they get better quality jewelry for their costumers to buy.
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Sorry I misread your name Gotilk. Like many other subgenres you couldn't have punk without the multitude of cultural and musical history, skill and endeavor that came before it and established the rules and disciplines that Punk broke. Really pushing a genre forward in a positive and creative way takes the skill and life-dedication that only bands like the Beatles have. Could a modern Beatles make it in the youtube age? It took years of playing endless shows in dive bars, then years studio work and live shows for the Beatles to achieve the height of their genre pushing "genius". Can their modern equivalents hope to achieve this same level of genius supported only by t-shirt sales and free beer?
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This site lost its balls a looooong time ago. Its become less of a scooper site and more of a co-opted tool of the industry. That is, an industry that's become creatively stagnet (like this site) and wouldn't acknowledge an original idea unless it came right up and sucked on its micro-dick. Most of us won't hesitate to see a good movie in a theater, especially with more and more IMAX and Digital 3D theaters popping up. However, if the industry insists on putting out crap for the sake of generating work-then people DO deserve to lose their jobs. It means that too many BAD movies are being made if they can't get a return on investment. come on now, does it REALLY take 300 million to produce a decent movie? No, but apparently, it does to make crappy ones. To hear cries about industry people losing jobs doesn't make me feel bad about piracy. Its there because people are tired of going to a theater and feeling ripped off. A crappy movie rips people off of two hours of their valuable time, the cost of a ticket, overpriced stale popcorn, watered down soda, parking & gas costs, and in some cases, babysitter fees. Multiply that by a million, and who's the real loser? THE CONSUMER. Piracy is the backlash, and for some, its the mechanism of Try Before You Buy. I've got a room full of DVDs that I've purchased over the last 11 years, and the system's gonna get its hooks into me for BluRay. I think most of us normal, regular people that do download torrents (like Wolverine) will agree-we do buy movies, we still go for the theater experience, we're more inclined to attend concerts, but we've been getting ripped off by the music and recording industry far longer than they claim they have been. For any editor, paster, or so-called "writer" on sites like this to climb up on their high horse and say, "I never do that," its easy for them to say that because they get to attend screenings for free, get screener dvds for free, and make their money being shills for the industry. So...Yes, I will have my download of Wolverine when I get home, and I *will* watch it with glee on my big screen with a room full of friends. We'll have our own critic's panel session and if it sucks, we're not out any money---just like many hack internet reporters. That said, Marvel won't be out any money, because regardless of movie quality, we still spend $50/month on the comics. And yes, I'll be supporting the auto industry this summer when I buy a 2010 Camero.
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Anyone whose name has "Darth" is most likely a BIG DOUCHEBAG!! This has been proven again in this talkback. Most of these guys are hardcore Lucas lovers who still defend Phantom Menace. You're opinion is no longer valid. Get the fuck outta here.
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i just read Beaks' Pollyannic Holier-Than-Thou post labeled: "A FEW THINGS". Just because you've chosen to BUY creative works, presumably with blind faith...does that make you better than those of us that don't do that anymore? I'm sorry, but when a matinee for a family of four can cost more than $50, then it changes things a bit...you won't be as apt to spend the money. (On a side note, are you so holy that you spend the hyper-inflated cost for concessions at the theater, or do you smuggle in your grub?)
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Well it's nice to know that you didn't bother actually reading anything I wrote, since that has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about. In fact I'm not even gonna paraphrase what I said to correct you, I'll just let you go back and actually read for yourself what my point was.
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My comments were directed towards earlier talkbackers who keep saying that if Hollywood stopped making bad films we wouldn't steal them. It was just an odd coincidence that my post came in after years and that we both used the word crap in the subject line. However, I did read your post and I have to say much of what I wrote could be applied to what you said. People are going to steal and download movies no matter what the quality of the product is. In fact the better movies might suffer more. Dark Knight made a killing, but who knows how much more it would make if illegal pirated versions were not out there. Same with Taken or other movies. Yes, people will buy and spend money to see a good movie, but people will also download and sell more pirated copies of that movie as well. No, my point is that the fact a movie is bad has nothing to do with people wanting to steal it. In fact, people will more likely want to steal movies just like they are more likely to want to steal a cool car.
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I am not a good multi-tasker.
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No one took anything away from Fox They Still have the master Copy of this movie and will Continue While now other people have various copies of the Movie. Nothing has been stolen or misapropriated
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Censor me and I'll give a fuck. Ban me and I'll give a shit. Fuck me and that will be no different than the usual.
Here's my review of that mongaloid FOXmong spaz. Named Wolverine:
The X-Men mean nothing to me. It's just Heroes except with a greater number of bald fuckers. This thing is not quite like that. It's just The Incredible Hulk, except with a greater number of bald fuckers. It's still depressingly average, and seems to exist merely to name check a bunch of characters that I'm not familiar with, or particularly interested in. The characterisation of broad, military mongs was done about a billion times better in the (mostly braindead) Predator, and at times this comes off as a lukewarm facsimile. Mainly in the spastic chopper sequences. Or that bit in the barn where the protagonist rapes a motorcycle, old lady and a bullock. The dialogue exists merely for characters to gargle with douche sayings about "yo momma" and such, seemingly to give them an aura of machismo that is lacking from the action. This action consists of the protagonist slicing through a variety of tin-foil doors, roflcopters, bleeding tampons and such, and very little else. Oh, theres a fight with some laser Matrix Neo (thankfully mute) on top of a power station chimney. Which is a bit fucking shit. The plot is obvious almost from the first frame, and you can count (pretty much to the beat) when various predictable "surprises omg" happen. It was made by the lowest common denominator, for the lowest common denominator. Hopefully FOX will lose all the money they plan on giving Michael Bay for whatever fucking shit he's got planned. It looks very much like they stuck to his template with this colossal wank. -
International. I mean The Dark Knight is proof that Piracy can not harm a Good movie's gross.
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But how do we know that? I mean, yes it made a shitload, but could it have made more if there wasn't piracy?
Plus, studios have more than one movie out there. TDK might have done good, but it has to make up for the loses of any movie that bombed. Finally, I am not advocating we should feel sorry for these big studios. All I am saying and have been saying is at least be honest - you are stealing. I have stolen in the pass and can at least admit it without coming up with any sort of justifications. I wanted something without paying or working for it and took it. End of story. -
either do it and live with the fact that it does more harm than good or stop stealing.
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Finally someone who can be honest and admit he is a thief!
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So, I guess you never made your girlfriend a mix tape, or made a mix cd for the car. How noble of you.
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hates all of you. Whether you pirated this dumb movie or not. He wishes ill upon you just for being alive. "Ptooey on you!", Vic Tayback screams at the top of his lungs, but nobody listens. This angers Vic Tayback further. Beware the Wrath of Vic Tayback!!
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What a bunch of niggling nabobs of negativity. It's really not that bad at all. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished version in theatres. I won't be there for the opening weekend madhouse, but I'll catch it on the big screen once for kicks. The only reason to have a serious hate-on for this film is if you have a crush on Deadpool. I always thought he was a lame-ass character who was just an amalgam of Spider-Man, the Punisher, and Wolverine anyways. I like the Darth Maul thing he's got going in on the last fight. And he looks pretty fuckin' cool at the end. I think he was actually used well in the film. When Deadpool hit the comics, I knew it was the beginning of a big Marvel creative slump. I'm glad he got his screen time and now we don't have to worry about seeing him anywhere, ever, again. Stupid throwaway generic super hero.
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damn, i was SO excited about getting on this very board and posting some Bale, but apparently i did it at the wrong time o' day, because apparently there were no professionals available around 2 this afternoon (except for Stuntcock, who i believe MAY have picked up the torch for a post or two). WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND???
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Well considering that it came immediately after my post and used some of the same words that I used, naturally I assumed it was a direct response to me. But I digress.That was exactly my point, being that nothing will stop people from stealing. There's nothing the industry can do to stop it. Which is why my argument was not to stop making crap to prevent piracy, but instead stop making crap to minimize the losses due to piracy. Instead of churning out the "easy money" sure-things, focus on putting out the more quality movies that have a better chance at making more than just a few million. You have to alter your business model if elements beyond your immediate control (piracy) come into play. But instead of taking action, they'd rather complain.Obviously this doesn't apply to all studios, and of course "make better movies" isn't a direct solution. But I'm sick of hearing "Hollywood doesn't owe you anything so stop complaining" only to see studios turn around and, well, complain. If you ask me, it's the other way around. I don't owe Hollywood anything. I don't download movies only because I think it's stupid to watch something in a tiny downloadable format, even if it's crap. So by no means am I pro-piracy. But don't blame something that's so far beyond your control that you'll never have any impact on it; revise your business model and use some common sense. Damn.
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This is probably the most interesting talkback I've read on this site. There's as much depth and divisiveness as any of the recent election talkbacks, and it's relevant to the site to boot!
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--you know it00
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you all need to pick it up a little or you'll never get there.
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I dunno why nearly everyone here has it in for this film, it seems there's this x men 3 hatred bandwagon that harry created years ago, which alot of people have jumped on and just slag the film off for the sake of it. I watched it and thought it was decent even if it wasn't the finished product. It has action, the acting is consistant and some good set pieces, yes it has it's problems but instead of whinging why don't people get behind this film and give it some justice,jackman seems a nice guy and put a lot of hard work into this, but also remember there are ALOT WORSE films out there, so people let's all be more constructive and intelligent about this.
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Can't you read between the lines? The man's post was virtually winking at you.
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Hilarious! Fuck you Rothman. Karma is a bitch ...
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is to make people want to go to the movies. Lower evening prices to $5 and matinee prices to $3. Do this by NOT MAKING $100 MILLION MOVIES! Make more $30 million movies that are just as entertaining but not dependent upon giant explosions and CG. Don't pay stars $20 million; make them settle for $5 million. Same with music, sports, television. All entertainment would be purchased if it were cheap.
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I'm sorry, but i saw it and it is exactly as bad as the other shit movies out there. It may not be as awful as Batman & Robin - but what movie ever is as bad as that one? It has ridiculous, unexciting action (with grown men jumping around like little kids playing cats, growling their fake Dracula teeth like idiots and NOT cracking up about it) and acting only consistent in so far as that it is constistently awful.
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If you guys want to read the review that made the New York Times and ABCnews.com comment on this Wolverine leak and what it means for Fox then go to www.ingobwetrust.com we don't hold back and give our honest opinions about tv and movies.
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Where's the party!
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For having the balls to post not one, but two different reviews of Wolverine. It's the most gangsta move I've seen in a long time. In case there is anyone who doesn't know, that's the website all the AICN talkbackers started.
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You are a lying piece of shit. Indias greater respect for IP? You mean there constant copyright infringement in everything from music to movies? The fact that they simply reshoot western movies for an indian audience and no one sees a dime of the returns? You mean the parasitic criminals in china who FUND the fucking movies? The chinese film industry has state backing, like every country in the world except the U.S. It also has a massive private industry that puts out hundreds of films and TV shows a year. Some of them STILL funded by organised crime, who also pick up the payments on pirated flicks. You are a straight up fucking lying moron.
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But the rest of the movie garbage, terrible.
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....One crucial point...DaVinci didn't have to turn a profit. He had to bring prestige to his patrons families. They didn't charge you a an arm and a leg to see the Mona Lisa. They displayed it for all to see. FOX doesn't give a shit about its product. They want to sell you lazy, half assed junk they shat out, but they don't want anyone to know what a piece of shit it is before they release it into the wild. Piracy hurts no one that matters if the film is any good. In fact, piracy is a valuable alternative, in a world where companies reguarly butcher films, like Let The Right One In.
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...We had trailers for Adventureland, Trek and Shinjuku Incident. A film BANNED in fucking china. So you do have wide release, large budget chinese films funded by the japanese, koreans and chinese out there doing the rounds, far away from state funding. Or what about CJ7? Thats right, you're just making shit up to defend the jobs of people who actually cost the artist and consumer money.
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http://tinyurl.com/dgub9z
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...Not only did thousands of Americans lose potential jobs because Wolverine was taken overseas to be produced, but it looks like it was an Australian effects house that leaked the footage too. Silly Murdoch, you should know not to trut your own people, they are all swarthy money grubbing thieves like yourself.
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Bone claws, and shrimps on the barbie.
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Free Jackie Chan!!!!
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Apr 02, 2009 10:08:46 PM CDT
Children starve and we argue the morality of stealing a movie
by raystevensonwarzone
Its pretty great that with all of the incredible injustices in this world we argue over such a petty moral issue. Wow, I'm sure that they are going to stop making movies and we will all be fucked and have nothing left to download. Oh well.
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People can talk about piracy huting this film. but you know what... this film was a con. an intended theft of our money. And in a time where people have no money, i offer a debt of gratitude to who ever leaked this for the fact that it's a shit movie and we are all the more better off for having it exposed to us for the criminal cinema going experiance it would have been.
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...when he finally gets the powers that make him "Deadpool." Kinda defeats the purpose of the character. It's like instantly making Wolverine into a pacifist as soon as he's given his adamantium claws. It's too bad, because before his Weapon X treatment, it WAS Deadpool (minus the costume). Afterwards, he's completely DINO and unrecognizable, literally and figuratively.And what the HECK did they do to Cyclops eyes that left them covered with gauze soaked with blood??? It looked like they cut them out and stuck them in Deadpool's head, until Cyke shot his optic blasts out when they escaped. And since when do his eyebeams generate heat???This film was on par with the recent HULK film. Not great, a lot of holes, could've been MUCH better, but somewhat entertaining. Tough break about Ma and Pa Kent, though. Superman's gonna be PO'ed the next time he visits Smallville. :)
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How do you stop an adamantium werewolf?Simple,use adamantium bullets.
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HAven't watched the workprint...not even sure if I will, but I'm always interested in them. I'd like to see the differences in the movie. Shit like that interests me. But I'm just not interested in this one. I'm just going to catch a Bargain Matinee or something. Maybe download the workprint after I see it in theaters and delete it. Who knows.
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I download everything I can, and why? Because I'm a collector. I own Empire Strikes Back on seven different formats, one being Laser Disc, and I don't even own a laser disc player. How many of you can say that you not only watched X3 in the theater and hated it, but also bought it on DVD? Yeah, how about twice on DVD? But that's more about my idiotic compulsive behavior, which would explain why I collect.About three or four years ago, I received a letter from Adelphia Cable courtesy of Columbia/Tri-Star Pictures in which they threatened me with fines and jailtime if I didn't cease any and all p2p file sharing activities. Wanna know what movie they busted me with? Kung Fu Hustle. And I hadn't even watched it yet. I never even read the letter until a week after receiving it, and it was a good thing I was on the toilet when I finally did. True story.
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I hated the first half. Gives new meaning to "On The Nose". Second half: Maybe not so bad ( I drank 2 bottles of pinot). Trim the parts with the jacket (the whole random foster Grandpa & Grandma + the origin of the dog tags) and a few other places and maybe not so bad at all when fleshed out with final footage and effects. I may hate myself in the morning, but this movie has a chance.
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liev schreiber did a kick ass job with a thankless roll. Maybe Danny Houston did ok with the crap he was given to work with as well.
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Apr 02, 2009 11:11:03 PM CDT
To the people bitching about movies on a computer monitor
by pyrrhotism
I just stream them to my 360 or PS3. And sometimes I just put them on flash readers and do it that way.
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then Ghost Rider?
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Whats even funnier is that the Columbia release was a fuck up of the original release.
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Thank god for copyright infringement, otherwise AICN wouldn't exsist and Beaks, Harry and Moriarty would have had to get real jobs.
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This site routinely accepts reports from anonymous "spies" who are ostensibly illegally violating non-disclosure agreements by leaking information.
Unless those leaks are all just plants, this is a double-standard which restricts the little guy from contributing, and contradicts the definition of the "NEWS" part of "AICN" (which is to say, reports on new information - not just studio-okayed new information).
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The directing was despicable, Will I am was a miscast, and worst of all Hugh Jackman unbelievably disappointed. He can't pull off the Wolverine character without Brian Singer directing his undisciplined ass. As I said before, this is a sad day for anyone who was expecting a decent Wolverine movie.
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Apr 03, 2009 1:14:33 AM CDT
WhinyNegativeBitch = MOTHERFUCKING PROFESSIONAL
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Join us, the revolucian begins.www.aintitbalenews.com
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Apr 03, 2009 1:20:07 AM CDT
raystevensonwarzone - this is a movie site, not a child hunger s
by bmacsmith
why the fuck would we talk about hungery kids? and just because there are greater evils in the world, that makes lesser ones ok/? justify justify justify
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besides the fact you sound like a fascist asshole who thinks he gets to set the cost o making movies, I love big 100 million dollar blockbusteras as much as i like small art films. why the fuck are you on this site anyway when a good chunk of the movies listed here are big movies? and by the way, lowering the price of movies won't make people stop pirating anyway.
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Well, that puts a turd icing on that shit cupcake. I still haven't seen the movie, as if I felt rightfully scorned by my would-be prosecutors. Now I'm off to watch X-Men 0.5Lower that fuckin paddle, Fox!
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Yeah it's still piracy from the legal standpoint but it's a WORKPRINT. It is not the complete film. It is missing important stuff like cgi and the final soundtrack (which can make a big difference in a film.) I know it's not exactly the dailies, but it is NOT the final movie.
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"We dont want your Wolverine reviews"
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(wow, my bottle of water hit the enter key on that last one) Thank you for reminding me of everything I hated about the last few years. Keep it simple, "call it what it is".. "it is what it is"... look where we are now. Things are never simple and people who want them to be ARE simple, and not in the good way. Look at what just watching things on the surface did for our economy. There was a time when simple people made the world a better place. That time is over.
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You've made some of the best commentary and observations I've read on this site in a long ass time, so I wanted to say thanks. To sidebarfully agree with you (I enjoy making up words), the phrase "It is what it is" needs to be killed. And by that I mean drawn, quartered, and burned, with the ashes thrown into the same bottomless chasm that will house "Wall Street/Main Street" and "supposed to", which in turn will rest happily among "Could've, would've, should've". Whenever someone says that, the only serious response I can muster is "No shit" because anything over three syllables and you've lost your target audience.
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The previews just make it look like a desperate epic, but this movie looks really low budget for some reason.
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Into the vernacular with it!! Immediately. I love it.
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Because of unfinished f/x effects coupled with poor acting and story, it's a hysterical movie to watch, drunk or not.
When the Asian character does his twin gun flip and the grips of the pistols land on the clips held in his hands, the incomplete f/x effect of the landing sent me into laughing-till-you-die hysteria. The same effect will be lessened when the completed f/x shot is viewed.
Unfinished f/x galore (especially the fight sequence with Deadpool on the rim) made it a worthwhile viewing despite a lame, B-movie storyline and smarmy, self-serious acting with Hugh, Lev and Ryan.
I had to check out the bootleg after reading some comments proclaiming the incomplete version is a comedy gold. I needed some laughs and going to the movies to watch lame-assed R-rated raunchy comedies. wouldn't give me the laughing gas I seek. -
Apr 03, 2009 3:17:50 AM CDT
I'm CALLING OUT AICN on any leaked info they post in future or Y
by silentbobafett2
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I totally agree with you. First time I ever heard of harry or aicn was seeing him on extra or entertainment tonight recapping how he had seen aotc early through somewhat covert ways. Now he wants to do a 180 on basically the same situation 7 years later. Oh harry; what a hypocritcal web we weave when first we practice not to seed (bootlegs that is muhahahahahah).
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AICN is founded on reviewing work prints. Perhaps you should fuck off to a more reputable site.
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THAT'S a knife!!! Snikt!
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Cupcake
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Didn't watch it. Downloaded it, deleted it, ate a sandwich.Why the fuck would I watch a film about a dude who shoots knives out his hands? That sounds retarded as fuck.
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its the credits. ba-doom-tiss
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yeah her name is mia hand
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Fox are going out of thier to suppress, control and corral what the media thinks of this movie. and all other fox movies in the future. They want to dictate to the media how the media repsonds to this film. If it blows up in thier faces they wont care. They have become a licence to print money.
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.. that when Bale was filming Rescue Dawn, professionalism in Laos increased by ten fold? I know it's kind of off topic, but I thought you'd want to know. I'm sure some of you knew that already though.
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Not everyone at AICN feels the same about so-called "piracy" (as file sharing is often called that.. inappropriately and conveniently.. it just CAUGHT ON.. riiiight). Just because someone on staff feels 100% against file sharing (as it applies to unapproved sharing) does NOT mean everyone does. And opinions do change.
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Once again, it only hurts if the movie is crap. Taken was avaiable for a long time before it came out. The great word of mouth from people that watched it online HELPED make the movie a hit. It had serious positive buzz going before the movie came out.
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And "Global Warming" is now "Climate change". Clever.
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is that this could hurt Gavin Hoods Career. This is his first big budget action movie. People seem willing for this thing to bomb. if it does we may never know what kind of director hood is capable of becoming.
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Let harvey and bob weinstein take over the running of 20th century. Let qt and RR run the studio and get the berg and cameron on board.
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Was available because it came out in europe about 6 months ago.
Wolverine hasn't technically come out anywhere yet. Anyway it's alright. But I'd rather it had been made by Marvel proper like Iron Man and Incredible Hulk -
BUT. If you or I make one single piece of crap film, who in their right mind is going to give US a chance? It's just not the way the biz works. It'd be nice, but it's just not how it's done. You have to have some special friends or some dirt on someone to get a second shot if you make a huge bomb first time out.
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A stern scolding from yo mama.
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Sounds like a record-breaking gang-bang.
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I'll agree that the "Darth" name is dumb for the most part but I'm somewhat established on AICN (yes, I am a Professional) and don't want to have to go thru it yet again.Plus, you couldn't be more wrong about those of us with the name "Darth" as being Lucas lovers. On the contrary, and perhaps by thinking through my screen name a moment, you might get the point although just in case you cant:Darth Macchio is a direct insult to the dialog in the 2nd shitquel from our "beloved" George 'Neck' Lucas. "Annie", I think a vessel popped in my eye when I wrote that...but yes, "Annie" aka Darth Vader, who was once an actual badass villain was completely killed by Lucas to me. When "Annie" just comes back from killing the sand people and whines like a fucking little bitch to Natalie Portman (still love her) about Obiwan "It's all Obiwan's fault! He' jealous!" and to me it sounded just like Ralph Macchio in the Karate Kid movies when all he does is complain and whine like a little bitch. That clear things up about one of us "Darths" and your douchebag theory of Darths?Yes its a dumb name, no i wont change it because you think it means something it doesn't, and if you read my shit...about half of it is dumbass idiocy having fun and the other half are my opinions and what i consider very valid arguments. You are welcome to challenge them or dismiss them but don't give people shit because of their name and then act like you hit a home run in the argument department.Speaking of criticizing names, your name would be much cooler if you had an umlaut or perhaps some dots above the 'u' like Motley Crue does.That would be like, awesome.
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Apr 03, 2009 10:32:42 AM CDT
FOSTERS... Austrailian for I'M GONNA KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS
by turketron
CROIKEY luv! These professionals have poirated me film! Fuckin ass!
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One of the worst movies I've ever seen. It only made bank cuz nothing else was out. And to think I wasted a download on it.
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Seriously folks... who are we kidding? Do the masses avoid shitty films? FUCK NO. Exhibit A: Paul Blart.
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but your point remains valid. I woulda force-choked the little punk.
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Haven't seen it. But my guess is IT'S NOT TRYING TO BE THE FUCKING GODFATHER.
It is what it is.
An hour and a half of lite, stupid entertainment. I believe most people saw the movie because Kevin James is a known and likeable draw for most people.
My guess is OBSERVE and REPORT will be a success...and a worse movie. But hey, it's "dark"...it's "gross" and "nothing is off limits".
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Let me preface this by stating my love and fondness for the character of Wolverine. I am also a Marvel Zombie. But... This movie was on par with that crappy Elektra movie. The fist 1/3 of the movie was very good. I let slide the liberties they took with the history of Wolverine, Sabertooth, Weapon X, etc. I know it can't be like the comics with so much history to use. The second 1/3 of the movie was good, but not great, a little too slow, and the part with the Hudson's (Ma and Pa Kent) finding Logan was ridiculous. The last 1/3 of the movie was shit, uttter shit. Nothing more and nothing less. The film crapped all over Deadpool, Emma Frost, Wolverine, Sabertooth, etc. I was set to line-up and see this movie at 12AM showing, but I will not now. Who cares if the special effects, CGI, and sound are incomplete. The script was shit and the ending with MEGA Deadpool was horrible. Also, Gambit was underused.
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Watching it right now so far its as bad as a lot of people say. I kinda like the deep Reason logan has for calling himself Wolverine, but other than that, meh. Hopefully this gets better in the next month.
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114,432 SEEDERS, ONE CUP.
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Can't get anyone on this site to agree to ANY movie being any good. Besides, if that theory holds water - why did Paul Blart spank the shit (142 to 104 at last count) out of the incredibly hyped Watchmen? I'm no great fan of the "greatest funnybook EVER" movie but anyone with half a brain would admit it was better than "fat man fall down and go boom" moobie. At the very least Watchmen tried. My guess - Paul Blart was inspired by "football in crotch" gag in The Simpsons. Of course, as I wrote all that, it occurs to me that nerds are notorious for the instantaneous need to yell out "no" if everyone else is saying "yes".
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Apr 03, 2009 11:30:17 AM CDT
Not going to watch it even if its free because it looks shit
by judge_dredd
Fuck you FOX and your shitty films.
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Hard to believe this was the same site that ran endless reviews by that notorious thief Joe Hallenbitch before he went to LA County on a copyright violation bust. Hey there, Mr Gerhard, what was it like being tossed around for cartoons of Kools by the real bad boys? Did Harry at least send you some care packages?
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it's certainly an excuse to feel absolutely ZERO sympathy for the dickhats at Fox. I feel actual sympathy for the people involved in actually working on the Origins picture and for the essence of the characters. And if one of the suits cared more than the bottom line then kudos to them as well! (forgive me for doubting that they exist tho)Even if you think Jackman said fuck it and just shitted this one out, he seems like a pretty earnest guy, has done some good work elsewhere and much of his previous work as Wolvie has been stunted by shitty writing (whomever said that, in X3, when Prof X gets it bad that Wolvie would go berserk and destroy everything in sight and not crumple and cry on the floor is exactly correct).But I feel exactly zilch for the suit & tie guys and their self-deferential "we're the Masters of the Universe" bullshit. But then my hate comes more from general frustrations over these old puffy red-faced, bloodshot eyed, powdery white "middle man" douchebag rat fuckers getting more than their worth and work then any specific grudge against Fox movies in particular.Facilitators are fucking everything up for both the creators and those who enjoy those creations and they make the most money. Why? Cause they're "Masters of the Universe!" why else? Fuck them.Hear that, you floating fatman? Do you hear that sound? That's the sound of your relevance...circling the drain.
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"What's the point of robbery when nothing is worth taking?"
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...actually FOSTERS is Australian for 'cheap mass-produced piss-quality chemistry-set 'lager' served ultra chilled because that way your mouth won't notice it doesn't taste of anything'.Just so's you know...
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That piracy will somehow demonstrate to the studios and producers that the public wants quality films... Give me a break.
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You're killin' me, DocAnd in keeping with my apparent trend of late concerning my AICN posts, I want you all to know that I actually did NOT shit myself this time. Can I get an "AMEN!"?
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I just don't understand the world.
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I actually liked why he was in the movie. Yeah its kinda a shoehorn I'm not debating that but they actually did him justice. And he ends up wearing a shirt that's blue, my fave color. Yeah it's Shallow, but this is a fox flick I'm not lookin for or gonna get sophie's choice from them. I thought the accent was pulled off excellently, that was the thing I had reserves about the most. I can see it now: coming summer 2012: X-Men Origins: The Ragin' Cajun Gambit. Yeah its a long ass title but that's what were gonna get from fox. Just like Wolverine not only stole the show but was pretty much the only attraction is Remy LeBeau to make me see this in a theatre
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This might as well have been Heroes: Wolverine (And Friends!). They even managed to emasculate Gambit and make that character seem like a joke.
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I don't know about Amen. How about "So say we all", if nerdy references are your thing.
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like i'm only gonna pay to see good movies. out of what? some sense of loyalty? and you're a fucking liar if you say if see a bootleg movie and its good you will then go pay for it. A FUCKING LIAR! I dont plan on watching bad movies at all, like this movie apparently.
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Official announcement to come early next week. I say FUCK YES.
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...if you don't want to risk wasting money on it. Perhaps the more accurate phrase should be "pirate movies that *might* be shitty".
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Says so on wikipedia
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CANADIAN FOR I'M NOT FUCKING AUSTRALIAN.
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So they don't have to worry about me. Actually.. if it gets stellar reviews, I might go see it.. otherwise, I'll wait for DVD.
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So they are saying that this workprint doesn't include the Vancouver reshoots, but that isn't true. I watched it last night and saw people who worked on the reshoots. What's up with that?
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Actually, I watched about 15 minutes of it. I like it- I like the style of this movie. Fox- I will go see it- maybe a couple of times. Nice work. And- also- since you did not interfere with the release of watchmen. Rothman, you seriously f-d up X3, but this looks good. so I will pay my hard earned dollars.
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But only because of how long it took for the fucker to come out. If a movie is out in Europe or Asia and is out on the web, it is not my job to wait for what ever studio picks it up. I'm a consumer and want my movie shown in a timely fashion. If a film gets pushed back or has issues coming out like Killshot or something, then yeah download the thing.
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It shouldn't be the consumer's fault that the industry is behind one way or another. Taken was out for fucking ever, and it still kicked ass at the boxoffice. Good movies will do well.
It also is bullshit that the movie industry refuses to get with the times. I want to download a movie, I want it on my netbook/iphone so I can watch it when I feel like it. I shouldn't have to wait months and months just because that's the business plan. If there's a DVD quality version available, I'm getting it. If I had to pay a little to make it quicker and easier, I'd do it, but that's not an option because the industry thinks it's 1987. It's the same with the music industry, Napster was the only way to get some songs without having to go buy a whole fucking CD I didn't want, if they'd have had ANY foresight they'd have started an Itunes type service the second napster was a hit. I buy almost all the songs I want off itunes now, I could easliy download them, but this is easier and less hassle, so I pay $1 a song, I can deal with that.
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I know that we are in spoiler territory but I need to know!
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Folks...finished or not...unless they scrap it & start over...it is horrible beyond all horribilities.
They ruined Deadpool & the dialogue is better on Dawson's Creek or most WB programs.
Totally gutted & shocked that it is as bad as it could possibly be.
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Folks...finished or not...unless they scrap it & start over...it is horrible beyond all horribilities.
They ruined Deadpool & the dialogue is better on Dawson's Creek or most WB programs.
Totally gutted & shocked that it is as bad as it could possibly be.
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Folks...finished or not...unless they scrap it & start over...it is horrible beyond all horribilities.
They ruined Deadpool & the dialogue is better on Dawson's Creek or most WB programs.
Totally gutted & shocked that it is as bad as it could possibly be.
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... that the feds and other law enforcement agencies focused their efforts on these types of people. I can't tell you how many times I've been scared to go to the store alone for fear that someone might be downloading in the parking lot. Friends of mine have also been afraid about their kids walking to school because of some freak in a van driving around giving kids bootlegs.
I have two words to say to anybody who thinks bootlegs hurt the industry financially... GREATFUL DEAD!! The industry is it's own worst enemy. Their trailers that use the best 90 seconds of the film to make it look unmissable is borderline false advertisment. With people now a days trying to cut corners, spending tons of money going to a movie based on a two minute trailer is too much of a risk. I used to go to movies atleast twice a month, I think I've gone only twice in the last year (oh, and I bought the DVD for one when it got released). I got tired of the trailer looking awesome but the movie was crap. I now wait for NetFlix, and reserve my theater attendance for movies that I really want to see on the big screen. Wolverine and Star Trek are the only movies that I will be going to see at the theater. Even if Wolverine turns out to be garbage: Hugh half naked on the big screen is worth my $10. :-) -
Knowles attends events offered to the press, paid for by the movie studios, including visits to movie sets and premieres. Questions have sometimes emerged about the resulting impartiality of his articles and reviews.[3] For example, he was flown to the premiere of Godzilla, and gave the movie a wildly positive review,[4] while a vast majority of critics disliked the film.[5] Knowles later reversed himself and panned the film after the ensuing outcry. Knowles and his defenders, however, have noted that he has given mixed reviews to movies for which he has been sent to junkets and premieres, and in any case is often out of step with mainstream critics. Knowles' defenders also point out that he gave a negative review to the film Monkeybone in which he made a cameo appearance.[6]
Knowles has also been the subject of a fair bit of controversy for actions that would not be considered ethical if performed by actual journalists. In 1999, he wrote an article praising a script by Drew McWeeny and Scott Swan. He failed to mention, however, that McWeeny was a contributor to the site, writing under the pseudonym "Moriarty." This and other alleged lapses were reported in a series of articles in Film Threat magazine.[7]
Arguably his most notable error occurred in early 2000 when Knowles posted materials stolen from an ABC staffer's home computer, which Knowles took at face value to be the Oscar nominees for the Academy Awards—a day before the official announcement. When the actual nominees were announced the following day, it was discovered that his finalists in almost every category were incorrect. Knowles acknowledged his error when it became clear he was wrong, but then disclosed the IP address of the person whose computer had been hacked, compounding the error. The Academy considered suing Knowles for trademark and copyright infringement, but ultimately decided against it.[8]
Knowles has also got into a good deal of legal trouble involving one his writers on AICN, named Michael Gerhard (a.k.a. Joe Hallenbeck), as he was involved in a scam run by Gerhard that resulted in the writer receiving a 120-day prison sentence and a $10,000 fine. Gerhard made contact with Knowles's contacts at Disney, hoping to obtain early screener tapes of unreleased films. He then illegally sold those tapes on the Internet for as little as $8 apiece. When the FBI arrested Gerhard, Knowles denied any involvement or knowledge of the crime.
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A turd of a movie is a turd of a movie. This thing is going to bomb so hard it's not even funny.
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That's what this movie amounts to, just like X3.
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JUST LIKE THE WORKPRINT !!!!!!!! IT'S THE SAME GUYS ! HARRY YOU LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
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