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Eight New CAPRICA Clips Replace Footage Pulled Earlier This Week!!
Merrick here...
Earler this week, a wave of clips from CAPRICA was released and subsequently pulled.
As promised upon the banishment of the original footage, they have been replaced with new material - embedded below. A few clps are the same, but there's some new stuff as well.
The CAPRICA into movie will arrive on DVD April 21st - which'll presumably be aired on Syfy before the series itself ramps up. Click the box image to pre-order. CLICK HERE to pre-order.
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Clips still look odd. Show looks dreary.
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...so, no - won't watch this. :-)
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Carnes!!!
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of Kings. And that's saying something.
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Fuck SyFy.
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DON'T be late.
Cue the drums.
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The pacing is good and doesnt drag on in overlong sequences. It seems to expose a lot of story for this one episode. Im looking forward to this series fleshing out more of the galactica universe and giving us some more solid social commentary. I didnt watch galactica for the action\explosions save maybe for the first episode. Then I was watcing to see how what they had to say and how it all turned out. Youd think the people who want the same could skip the sci fi action for once with this show and get to the meat of the story.
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but you know what's even better? Watching the SyFy channel while pounding back a Mountain Dew and eating Xtreme Doritos. High Five.
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I like the use of real Vancouver locations... sorta has that THX1138 San Fran "recognizable future"... even if it is the distant past.
But, I hope this does not end up having too much teen angst though. I'm not sure that would fit well in the BSG universe... leave that crap up to The Hills. -
the overall tone of this episode. It feels like a novel brought to life. I think it's great that science fiction is being brought to the screen in this way. It's definitely not whiz-bang action, but there are some great and surprising twists in this that open up a whole new line of questions. Hopefully we'll get more answers from this series than we did from bsg. Also, the clips don't do justice as far as conveying the over all feel of the show. It's much darker than bsg. There's definitely some kinks to be worked out but i really liked this.
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Woohoo!
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You have seen the pilot already? Cool. Can you give more spoiler free details and insights?
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with a woman was the death nell for me. I used to be a huge Battlestar Galactica fan. I didn't mind the update, I really liked the idea that they were making it more serious and less campy, but Starbuck?! I gave it a shot anyway because I'm a big fan of the sci-fi genre, but I couldn't get passed the new Starbuck being a bull dyke (if they were going to do that, why not just make Starbuck a guy) and Apollo being a complete jerkwad asshole. I found nothing likable about these two characters. Change is fine, the whole reboot was great, but they took the two reasons I would watch and butt raped them.
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In The Zone, we talk about Caprica too!
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The Zone is for pussies. Sorry. If I wanted structured forum convo, I'd go to a fan site. AICN is all about the unfettered chaos of Talkback.
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nothing but 24 hours of Ghost Hunters.
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I think less a bull dyke and more a slutty tomboy no?
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The whole thing will happen again hohoho. Should we star looking for a new earth???
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Why do I get the feeling you've been a broken record for over 5 years. It's over, it's done with.. move on.
As for this show, I'll tune in but I have zero expectations, which is prolly for the best. Ron Moore is a great writer who does in fact stand by his material, unlike people like JJ who leave to pursue other projects 2 episodes in. However, I'm aware Ron won't be the show runner half way mid season, which is reason why I prolly won't stick around either. Show runners should stay with their baby til the end, good or bad times doesn't matter. -
is released. I only saw first the first two seasons.
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They are saying the boxset will be released sometime this summer, july or so. Digitalbits.com has a rough street date for the blue-ray complete series.
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because wasn't the fact they looked human a complete surprise at the start of BSG??
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Mar 27, 2009 4:20:56 PM CDT
So many clips, why not just put the whole thing online?
by prof. pop-cult
Something seems wishy-washy about the way SyFylis is promoting this show.
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Does anyone know if BSG 4.5 will include The Plan MOW the way 4.0 had Razor?
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No more BSG.
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They'll run 10 episodes, then it'll go away for 15 months, then they'll run 15 episodes and it'll go away for 18 months.
Then, after they run some totally revisional and barely related two hour "movie", it'll run ten more episodes and be of for another year before they limp the series across the finish line.
BSG wasn't a bad show, but SyFy really screwed with how they aired it. I have no further patience, for this ridiculous "network".
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...would I pre-order this crap?
Soap opera in space.
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Um...you someone's assistant at "SyFy"?
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Id probably be making more $ than this reliable (this could be a depression and I still wouldnt get laid off no matter what) yet low paid health care field. Im canuckian btw.
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I'm glad someone mentioned "The Plan".
This series had so many problems, with execution; they now have to go back and explain what this "Cylon Plan" was. The first three seasons, every episode began with the on screen statement that the cylons have a plan...
Now they're going, "Oh shit! We never explained the plan." So after all the end-of-series hype, they have to air a separate two hour explanation of their dropped plot threads. And in true SyFy channel fashion... it's not airing for another seven months. Bonnie Hammer = asshole of the first order. Espenson sucks as well. End of rant... -
BOOM NUKE DESTROY
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The skinjobs infiltrated the fleet and Caprica, that's what the plan was, durh.
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That's certainly the beginning of a plan; but your explanation does not illustrate their intended endgame. The series got bogged down in revealing the final five, and their role in creating human looking cylons. They got so wrapped up in that angle that they never properly elaborated on Cavill's ideas; so now they have to run a two hour movie-of-the-week to explain everything, from the Cylons' angle. Proof positive of their slip-shod story writing. "Durh" indeed. Wise up.
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I think the Cylon/Cavil "Plan" was:
A. Destroy the Colonial military and defense infrastructure allowing...
B. The Cylons to occupy the Colonies and use the surviving Humans for experimentation. The final goal was to find out how humans reproduce biologically.
But the plan changed when the Hera was born and the prfecy started to play out.
Like most wars, the outcome is unpredictable... so the Cylon "Plan" got blown to shit... sort of like the Bush plan in Iraq - the actual outcome is totally different than the intended outcome. -
can't type for shit today
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Seems like it was Hera, right? Except the only reason they seemed to want Hera in the end was to figure out how to perpetuate the cylon race. Before they lost resurrection, it's not clear why Hera mattered to them.
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The name change hasn't happened yet, and at the rate it's getting negative feedback, there is a good chance it won't even happen. Enough already.
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*Sits in front of a dead television and imagines BSG episodes of his own*
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Don't worry about the typing, no big deal.
Your explanation sounds very plausible. I just wish they had gone into that a bit more, instead of using up as much time as they did, on all of those filler episodes. There was definitely some fertile ground for telling some interesting stories. -
You could go out to a club I guess... nevermind.
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If you have the DVD's you could go back to square one and start over again. The earlier episodes are very good. "33" in particular is excellent. It was the first of the weekly episodes; and it involves the Galactica having to jump every 33 minutes to escape the Cylons who were still very close, on their trail.
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And not a single one of ANY of the Craprica clips I've seen in the past few weeks has interested me in the slightest. You know something's wrong when you find yourself fast-forwarding through a 30 second clip to find a good part. Any at all ...
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Snotty kids talking back to their parents makes my skin crawl.
Using taiko drums for in the score for this.
Using the same documentary in-the-action shooting style for this show makes my skin crawl.
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"Bread and Circuses" (Season 2, 3-15-68) The Enterprise assumes orbit over Planet Four, which is a Class-M planet like Earth. The planet's humanoid population has a pre-atomic industrial level of technology like Earth's 20th century, communicating through radio and television signals, but its society has developed as if the Roman Empire had never fallen, with slaves, barbarians, and televised gladiator battles, an example of Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planet Development....The landing party encounters a group of runaway slaves calling themselves Children of the Son, who are fighting against the Roman Empire that dominates the planet, and the Empire's false gods including Jupiter, Mars, and Neptune.
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You are correct.
These clips make this show look like Caprica City 90210 (I know, I know... the 90210 thing is kind of played out; but it's an apt analogy.) ...I think I'll pass. -
the first episode whenever it airs, but only because there's fuck all else on tv. Paradoxically, I think I'd be more interested if Caprica wasn't connected to its parent series at all, simply because I found Galactica's resolution so painfully egregious. There's nothing particularly compelling in those clips though, which is... strange. Just random clips. But in principle the subject matter's interesting.
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They play super triangle type tennies and they have laser lines, but they don't have them switched on because...then it would'nt be all 'cool' when they do. This seems to have lots of flashing lights and blipping things so sci-fi geeks might like it. I liked that BSG kept that stuff to a minimum. I'll still give it a go when/if they show it in Blightly.
And Trixie and Atia are in it.
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should I be looking forward to them or not? hmmmm, let me think about it...
the plan might be a retconing, overkill explanation of stuff we already know. but Michael Hogan/ col. tigh is in it.
caprica, on the other hand, seems like it's gonna be one tree hill. with skinjobs.
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tennies are also availbable in triangle though
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...no colonel tigh since he will be playing that scientist from the first earth (assuming it's about how the final5 came to the colonies, made the deal with toasters and ultimately were betrayed and killed by cavil), but still Michael Hogan.
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If there were any good clubs where I am I wouldn't BE watching tv on Friday nights - even for BSG. And BSG is already in repeats here twice a day so DVDs not required. *Throws tv out window*
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"tennies are also availbable in triangle though."
LOL
You are right though... the same thing crossed my mind. The BSG reboot didn't fetish the technology. Sure the Colonials were more technologically advanced than we are today, but nobody was like: "Ooooo look how cool our light speed is!"
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...is in The Plan. So, I assume we'll see Michael Hogan as Colonel Tigh (Pre eyepatch)
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yeah I just hope this show actually shows another world and isn't just a string of "look at this, its the same, but all different and stuff". Not sure about William Adama being in it as a kid either.
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before the final episode of Caprica airs, we will see E.J. Olmos back as Adama. I bet you we will see him as a hermit on Earth reminiscing about his father.
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I don't really see anything special about it.
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Caprica should last one season then the next season is about another story on another of the 12 colonies. Each colony gets a 10 episode season and maybe a couple of them could run concurrently. They all tie back to a penultimate 10-episode pre-prequel on Kobol followed by a pre-pre-prequel on Cylon Earth where we're reintroduced to the Final Five Cylon characters. This thing could go on longer than Berman Trek
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So the humans created the Cylons as an android race that basically carried out menial tasks and were used as weapons of war. The Cylons then rebelled and fought their human creators in an uprising now known as the 1st Cylon War. The new series began with the lone Colonial officer sitting in the outpost waiting for the return of the Cylons and being surprised to find a female humanoid cylon (a Six) marching down the corridor towards him flanked by 2 centurions. Then she asks him if he's alive and sucks face before the whole place explodes. We deduce from this that during the hiatus the Cylons have created replicant humans and they are loose among the colonies.
This is where I lose my way, the final five have been around for thousands of years and the wasted Earth was populated by Cylons. The five travelled from the Earth to the colonies in time to become the characters we know and in one case (Tighe) fight in the first Cylon war. Can someone explain the chronology for me please. Thanks in advance. -
I think the idea was that Tigh never fought in the war, and that those memories were 'implanted' in him before he was introduced onto Caprica by Cavil. Most worrying was the massive journey that the 5 had to take from earth to the colonies, imagine being locked up on a ship and subjected to Anders bad acting for all that time. I'd have pulled a Cavil-style 'frak suicide' after the first few minutes.
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But I thought that Tighe was Adama's friend during the conflict? Didn't they show a flashback when Tighe had hair and Adama had a 'tache earlier on in the series?
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Fuckin' a! Totally agree. This is where all the awesome/hilarious/retarded happens.
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I have nooooo desire to watch this at all after watching those clips.
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they met after the 1st cylon war. their meeting (in a bar, how very appropriate) was shown in scattered and deleted scenes from it. adama was an ex viper pilot, as tigh thought he was too. they became friends, and once bill was back in the fleet he pulled some connections to get saul reinstalled as well. but no, they never fought together in 1st war, tigh's memories of that were a fabrication.
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This is the first time I've ever said anything. After all, what was the point? They did what they did and no amount of whining/bitching/complaining was going to change it. So I gave BSG a look, watched the mini series and about the first five episodes and passed. Why I said anything now, I don't know. The talkback was here and provided a convenient sounding more for my disappointment. I *am* glad BSG was successful however, because that means more studios might be more likely to greenlight other sci-fi genre shows which generally I'm a big of. Make sense? Just because this one doesn't suit me, doesn't mean the next one won't be a hit.
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What is this supposed to be? A family drama set in a society with advance technology, that oh wait we know was 15000000 years ago, and will get nuked by cylons. Seriously what is the appeal. This just showcases the worst parts of BSG. BSG had this setup of character driven episodes followed by high action episodes, this appears to only be the former.
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it was a good run
This isn't going from cheers to forehead guys show
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Never cared for soaps, but I'll wait to see what all of you say about it when it comes out on DVD, then I'll decide if it's worth my valuable time. Real question is, how well does this go down with a KFC Frak Pack?
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Yeah, I went there. Even though it's not called "Battlestar Gallactica", I still went there.This is my white box and I can do anything I want in it. Don't argue with me. Just nod your head in agreement.
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This will be about the stuff at the end of Battlestar: technology is teh eval! and will have some Blade Runner-ish stuff about identity and what makes us human and such. It will be like the Total Recal 2070 tv show but with more Dallas style stuff.
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Come on man. Fess up!
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...and since we've sort of hijacked this into a non-Caprica thread :)
Was the age discrepancy for Tigh (and potentially the others) ever addressed? The Wifey© seems to think someone said Tigh and Bill knew each other (real time, not simulated) for like 30 years. Was it made clear that the Final Five age? I mean, we're talking about them being around people long enough that someone would notice. Just one of those small details it's possible we missed or maybe was covered in some of the online material (we never watched).
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So, they have advanced to having FTL drive spaceships, but their cellphones still crap out in the subway. I have always hated that in BSG they have awesome spaceships, but in every other measure they are no more advanced than we are right now. Cheap, that...
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tangcameo, i get the feeling you spend your friday's alone or don't go out very much. Saying you don't go out because there aren't any 'clubs' near you gives me the impression you're not the party guy you want us to think you are. Saying there's no 'clubs' is the kind of thing a regular semi-party guy would say, IN (your) THEORY. I went to highschool in a very affluent city in mexico. Many of my friends had relatives who owned the clubs, so we were going to them and occupying the VIP section since we were 16. Then I grew up and realized clubs are lame and the bar scene is a better fit for me. I wouldn't think any of this had you simply said 'clubs OR BARS.' I don't know why i bothered writing this... infact, i feel lame, but i've written this much so might as well...
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...is that Ron D. Moore took his eye off the BSG ball so he could focus on making this dreck, thereby turning one great show into two bad ones. Well done, sir!
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People have pointed out what the cylon plan was, but it seems like everyone overlooked the REAL plan-- the final five were on the earth that would be destroyed where everyone was a cylon, and had recreated ressurection technology. Then they took a trip across the galaxy to warn the colonies not to invent A.I. That was ANOTHER cylon plan (not only did they not-not explain it, they gave us SEVERAL different 'plans' the cylons had... to say they never revealed a plan means you have no memory, or you were a casual viewer who missed some episodes OR you did watch all the episodes but the 'plan' wasn't what you hoped it would be so now you're saying there was no 'plan' because the types of 'plans' they gave us weren't what you were expecting/wanted them to be. You could also arguably say that the in head six and baltar's had a plan, or at the very least working for god's plan, and you could also lump starbuck in as part of one of the plan's... again, most likely god's plan.
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First off--if certain people here read even a little true science fiction novels, you would either be 1) bored out of your mind or 2) hate them. Why would you hate real science fiction? because the majority of real science fiction novels have very little action. Alot of people here don't realize it, but they do NOT come off as scifi fans--they like television or movie sci fi, because those are the two mediums where the majority of science fiction stories have explosions and action. Even alot of so called bsg fans hated so many episodes because they didn't have the action scenes they wanted. These so called fans watched the show for all the wrong reasons and bitched for all the wrong reasons. Caprica could be solid for me, because I DID NOT watch bsg for the action and the mythology, but rather the characters, their dynamics, Moore's political commentary, and semi-dark drama. That's what the show was about and thats what the real fans were watching the show for. I have NO DOUBT in my mind that Moore will NOT create a 90210 lame drama as so many of you are convinced it will be, which makes no sense because even if you hated bsg's non-action non-mythology episodes, you would have to admit the guy doesn't do cliche drama but creates compelling characters with complex situations. Moore has not given one tiny shred of evidence that he plans on making caprica the cliche drama you think it will be. That brings back up my real scifi argument--no spaceships, no action does NOT MEAN its not scifi... its hilarious how transparent so many of you so called scifi fans are... if you have trouble sleeping or are taking something like ambien, pick up an Asimov novel, such as something in the highly acclaimed 'foundation' series... its about as REAL scifi as you could find that still holds up today, but you're type would hate it as it has no action. Alot of you need to stop calling yourselves scifi fans... you're not... you're just not.
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film at 11
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At one point in time it's a baby ruth bar
In another, it's *doody*
It's like quantum physics
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I'm in my rewatch of BSG...in the epsiode 'Flesh and Bone,' a corporeal Six shows up in CIC. And at the end of the episode, she disappears. Before, it was a mystery as to who or what she was, but now it's pretty obvious: she was simply 'Head Six,' in a form that could be seen by everyone on the ship, rather than just Baltar.
And it appears that all those times Head Six said that she just wanted Baltar to believe in God, well: she wasn't BSing at all. That was what she wanted. Because she was an angel of God.
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I'm suspicious... no just cautious, but really those clips were actually pretty good. The production values are up to BSG's par. Then I realized. WHAT ARE WE DOING? We're SERIOUSLY complaining and some people tlkaing about boycotting one of the only "real" attempts at sci-fi on the scifi channel? It's this and SG:U man.... nearly everything else is going to be ghost hunters and MegaCroc VI and the like. For the love of god, people, we should watch it even if it is only to stick it to the Man(squito)!!
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... and so will Caprica. Deal with it nerds.
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I'm in. I like BSG. A lot. Appointment TV. And that's saying something as I couldn't care less for about everything on TV. This looks quite promising. If you really think this is "bad TV" then I guess I like "bad TV". It's OK. You probably like MacDonald's and instant mashed taters. I promise not to pre-judge you too much, fatty.
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While it's clearly not on the craptastic level of Galactica 1980, I'm not sure this is going to fill the enormouse void left by Battlestar Galactica. I'll give it a few episodes to settle in.
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The Chevy Caprica was created by man. There are many copies. They have a warranty.
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We have robots that can explore mars while workers are killed in coal mines in the same kind of accidents they suffered a century ago. Not everything advances at the same pace.
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tell me that's original.
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all-new for you.
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Even if it does star Polly Walker, whom I revere (or, for that matter, Robert Carlyle when he turns up on that lame Stargate spinoff). Blecch.
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...I DID watch BSG for the mythology, and I got royally fucked. And as for characters, by the end, I REALLY didn't like 'em anymore...they all drank and whined too much, and the whole Adama/Roslin/Apollo leadership triumvirate was...troubling. To say the least.
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Then, some long speech about humanity, then they cry again. Someone reads a book. An old person looks out a window. End episode.
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Yes, it was made very clear that the final five could age. We knew that the cylons on Earth 1 could reproduce, and if they could reproduce then they could age (otherwise having offspring would be pretty pointless wouldn't it?)
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is if the first robot they build is an 8... and they 'spit roast' her after a game of triangle tennis...
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Moore has earned it. I'll watch the first 6 episodes. What's actually got me hooked a little, is that we hardly know where this show is heading. Yes, we know that the colonies get nuked, but there are 12 of them, and who's to say that the show HAS to lead in to BSG? It might develop into something totally new and unrelated.
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sounds lame. Don't they know all the best terrorist organisations have cool sounding names? Caprica was better when it was just a big planet that got blowed the hell up. I'm not sure I'll care about the 'one true God' stuff all over again
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Mar 28, 2009 8:19:37 AM CDT
I can't wait to watch "Craprica" on the Syphilis Channel!
by leafar the lost
I will have to add that I was being sarcastic, since you can't hear my say the words as I type them. I wish Ron Moore wasn't making it up as he went along. That led us to the disaster that was the BSG finale. Moore said that there was no other way he could have ended it, and that is total bullshit. Watching a prequel to BSG has become pointless, and as you examine the Cylon Plan more closely, you see that there was no plan at all. Moore never had a plan, because he was just making this shit up as he went along. I used to be a supporter of Moore, but no longer. Maybe Rick Bermen was right about you after all...
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as you go along. Thats kind of how it works. All these shows where the creators say they have it all planned out from the beginning, its bullshit. No one does that. Otherwise it would take them 5 years to write the pilot.
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If it does not hook me then I am out. I hope it does because I have nothing to watch. Well, except for Baseball.
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the ending was such a let down. The God explanation sucks and everyone get rid of their technology so easily, so I guess in episode 4x21 they all die of starvation, animal attacks and natives got to rape Caprica Six before eating her alive when she got to old.
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Hilarious
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Looking forward to the new Galactica TV movie whenever that aires but this looks as boring as hell. I heard Ron Moore say this show wont have any action..very little fx..its just gonna be a human drama..well i'll watch the sopranos if i wanna see that ! No one wants to see endless talk of how the cylons were created. I'll give it 1 season before it's pulled and with the likelyhood of Ron morre developing other projects like the thing prequel, he wont have time to devote himself the this show and it'll be run by people who are inferior.
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I can understand how they could make a movie about this but a whole series? I'll give it a try because you really can't tell anything from clips like that but I don't know if it'll be enough to keep me coming back. Oh! I still like the BSG ending! That might have been enough closure for me on this series unless they come up with something I'm not seeing yet.
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I hated Starbuck as a ghost/angel/avatar of God that *always* had the way to Earth2 locked in her brain, and all she had to do was remember a song, turn the song into numbers, and punch those numbers in as coordinates. THAT Starbuck, I hate.
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Yes, I agree. Fiction is making it up as you go along. The audience is usually very forgiving with television, especially genre television, in that regard. The problem, perhaps, is that the first couple of seasons were so good that many people began to judge the series by literary standards. And books ruin you for television. Episodic television just isn't a good medium for effective storytelling (for one thing, we're inevitably watching a first draft), but it appeared for a while that we were watching a science fiction series produced on a literary level. And while it might still count as good, entertaining and escapist television, if you made the mistake of watching it as an 80 hour book-on-screen, it can't help but fail.
One of the many books that sprang to mind after after the series ended was Worlds, so I went looking for a review. Here's the first one I found.
"Still, things go from bland to worse once we arrive at the planet, and meet a species of godlike aliens with magic powers. I'm not making this up. In one of the most brazen instances of pooch-screwing in recent SF, Haldeman devalues virtually everything he has built up throughout this whole trilogy by introducing a species of 2001-ish, omnipotent aliens, for no apparent purpose than to make some weak point about the damaging effect religious ideologies have upon governments, or some such thing, and how humanity needs to rely on its own wherewithal, or some such thing, to truly appreciate life and realize its own capabilities. All of which strikes me as wildly dishonest when you realize that — no mistake — these aliens are basically gods. They teleport Marianne instantaneously to points all over the universe (including back to Earth), and they give her little moral "tests," all in the interest of determining whether humanity is sufficiently good to be allowed to continue to exist. And the only reason these aliens have these powers is so that they can serve this contrived deus ex machina formula. In other words, they're here, not as a believable product of their native environment, but as a plot device. And honestly, to wreck such a promising and compelling tale as the Worlds trilogy was shaping up to be, by resorting to devices that hackneyed and simplistic, is enough to make you wonder if Haldeman simply took leave of his senses as this book's deadline loomed on his calendar.
Even given the qualities in this trilogy's first two books, I'm wondering if I can responsibly recommend you read any of them, given that the whole thing ends so disastrously."
From http://tinyurl.com/c85q4n
Worlds is hardly a bastion of SF, but I enjoyed the first two books and some of those points sound familiar. Anyway, I'm by no means attempting to diminish anyone's enjoyment of the series, which had flashes of brilliance, but with a little bit more thought it could have coalesced into something very, very good indeed. As an afterthought, if you're going to introduce the numinous into science fiction, Sagan's Contact - the book, not the film - sets a bar that is very difficult to beat. The last page does not invoke complaint; it invokes a sense of cosmic wonder and awe. That's how you do it right.
I'll stop flogging the dead horse now, and watch Caprica for what it is.
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Ive informed the powers that be here, but no postings yet http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/tvandradioblog/2009/mar/26/red-dwarf-back-earth PLus new websites with stuff on them for you to figure out lol http://www.listerscominghome.co.uk/ http://www.ouroboroscrate.co.uk/ Enjoy!
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What a bizarre assertion. It's pretty easy and common to plan something out before executing it. Happens all the time.
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You're right, of course. I was referring specifically to the way that many television series are in fact written, but I should have been clearer.
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Yeah that makes more sense!
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was money. For example, they established early on that there were 12 cylon models. They start introducing them one by one, but after a while they realize that all these guest stars are expensive. So they come up with the whole Final Five thing, where they take regular or semi-regular characters, whose salaries are already on the budget, and turn them into cylons. Which is fine, but you're letting budget dictate story. Some have complained about season 4.5 being all talking and no action. And it's been stated that all those bottle shows were indeed intended to save budget for the finale. But I think you need to throw the audience a bone or two action-wise in there; I don't mind character-based episodes personally, but so many episodes without action on a show that once regularly featured a good amount of it can make some of the fans a bit restless. Replacing dogfights with Adama Meltdowns only goes so far. But it seems to me that SyFy dicked around with BSG way too much, especially with budget. Scheduling, too; I mean, half seasons that far apart just helps you forget about the show entirely. SyFy killed the goose with BSG, we'll see if Caprica is even decent enough to last a season. Personally, I'm still on the fence.
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I agree the first 2 seasons were great, and maybe 3 was not as good, but I thought s4 was a return to form. Yes, it played up the mysticism and the God stuff, but that was always there in the background since the very beginning. The odd thing about the fan reaction to the final season is that it DID have more pre-planning than previous ones. Although lots of it was thrown out during the writers strike. I think on DVD it'll reveal itself to be far more satisfying than in weekly 42 minute chunks. But with the exception of Deadlock, I thought 4.5 consistently great.
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But looking at all the websites, it makes me feel that the new RD will be terrible. What happened to the old tried and tested formula of three blokes and a computer in space?
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In a few words you have destroyed the "they're making it up as they go along argument". Of course they did. No one plans a story completely from beginning to end. The Lord of the Rings could have been so much different for instance
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Now that it's obvious the creative juices of the BSG writing team were completely shot with the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy ending of the series, I think we all know how fast this turd is going to go down the toilet.
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So is this show going to go the way of Bionic Woman or what?
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That's all. Their ambitions got the better of them and they ended up with a hot mess. It's a shame, but at least there were two excellent seasons. Even Season 3 had its moments - the Baltar storyline at least started out cool. But there can't be a clearer jump the shark moment than the S3 finale. It was mostly a chore to watch after that.
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billy clubs says: "i think we all know how fast this turd is going to go down the toilet" --- you are the exact type of talkbacker i loathe--you think you are tuned into what we all think about the show, except you hate it and think because you hate it and a vocal minority hates it, we all hate it. What I think I know is that there is a group of people who will hate this because its not going to be what they want it to be and therefore you will say it sucks, when the whole time the fact of the matter is that ITS JUST NOT FOR YOU. I don't know how many times i have to say it, but some of you so-called scifi fans have no clue what sci-fi is and your opinions are absolutely meaningless.
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For the first time in years, nerds across America had their Friday nights free...to do absolutely nothing. ;)
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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That's an interesting point. I did think the "Final 5" was a change of gears but I could not put my finger on why when the story thread started to play out.
Now that you point it out, there was a step by step reveal of the 12 models until they got to the Final 5... then it was like BAM here are the rest! -
'nough said.
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They weren't actual Cylon models, per se. A very different animal that ... I still don't quite understand how they are related to the other Cylons who were created (I guess?) on Caprica or on one of the 12 colonies in any event. But whatever.
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The "original" cylons were people ( just like in the old series, they were lizard people ), the cylon centurions, and by extension, the "skin jobs", are now called cylons as over the ages, the people stopped differentiating ( which makes since since their entire planet was nuked, so in the minds of the other 12 colonies, there was no such thing as a "real'' cylon anymore.
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Sounds like horseshit to me. jk
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You may be from some "affluent" city in Mexico BUT I am from Saskatoon, an effluent city up in Canada. The last club I went to blew my eardrum out. And I fall asleep when I drink. I spend my weekends going to the city's only indie movie theatre... and occasionally the Googleplex (which threatens to blow my OTHER eardrum out). Plus on Friday nights I'M TOO BLOODY TIRED to worry about "going out" - lame or NOT. And YES responding to my lame email was just as lame. As lame as me CAPITALIZING shit. hehe But if I ever get down to Mexico I'll buy you a beer at a bar. Nice Canadian beer. hehe
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Were Kobol's cylons, who either warred with their human creators on Kobol or just got frakkin' tired of them. They left the planet, probably just as the humans did (thus breaking into 13 tribes - 12 human and 1 cylon). The cylon tribe found their Earth and proceeded to evolve (at a much faster rate because they're robots not human's who take millions of years) but kept some old versions of themselves for use in slave labour and as soldiers. But they mistreated their lesser evolved slaves/soldiers and those slave/soldiers rebelled, eventually nuking Earth. Five evolved Cylons managed to escape and went to see the 12 human colonies to warn them about creating their own Cylon slave/soldiers but they arrived at the 12 colonies too late. Humans had already recreated their own Cylon robots and those had rebelled also. Everything has happened before people! And everything will happen again! Just ignore the part about the race of lizard people - Ron Moore did, and so did Glen Larson since I only heard the 70s version mention lizard people once. Save the lizard people for V.
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tangcameo--i'm absolutely blown away. i (admittedly) made a personal attack on you that was totally uncalled for, and you respond with a rediclously calm and cordial explanation. Are you sure you're on the right website? posts like your reply to mine have no place in the aintitcool talkback ;) Well done man.
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Went and bought Season 1 on DVD today. I need my Michael and Fiona Fix.
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I loved BSG (believe it or not)
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there were things in BSG that should have been addressesm ir addressed better.
The lords of Kobol had tech that was on magic levels as compared to the colonials.
Put an arrow in a broken and toppeled statues hands and a magic planetiraum that places you in the enviroment springs to life.
this needed to be delved into.
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..imagine a show based in the here and now. About the coming of armageddon and people who can actually see the in-heads. It could all lead to a huge conspiracy about the origins of humanity and maybe even Kobol itself. I'd watch that.
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It's just sort of lame that there's an alleged connection between those cylons and cylons on another, forgotten planet.
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Hell, that does sound interesting. I'd watch it too.
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For frak's sake this will be in the first season DVD box set so unless you want to buy it twice just hold off a while or watch it online or something. The douches at NBC/ Univ. need to stop trying to sodomize their fanbase. I swear they are getting as bad as ticketbastard...er...ticketmaster.
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I just now saw your question... was out of the country for the weekend (and away from computer).
anyway, they do age, the reason they are not the same age is that cavil didn't release them all at the same tame: tigh was first, then ellen, after that the rest of them. -
Actually, the only real connection b/t the Caprican cylons and the Earth 1 cylons are the Final Five. If the F5 hadn't shown up during the first cylon war the Caprican Cylons would have remained old school toasters without resurrection.
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Nuff said.
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Yeah, we assumed as much, but the chronology seemed to be out of whack (the "staggered" return to service makes sense).
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They do as rumored, making a 3-pak of season 4.0, 4.5, and Caprica. Word is good that this will happen, but we'll see.
I think the premise of Caprica is interesting, but I can see why a lot of BSG fans will be disinterested:
Defectors #1: Thos who watched BSG for Action, effects, 'splosions, and military themes.
Defectors #2: Thos who thought God and the mystical themes in BSG were teh ghey.
I'll check this out. I think the premise is interesting. When I was a kid, I used to watch anime on this topic... now I can't stand that shit (anime) as I think the acting is generally very bad and there was too much fous on style. I'll be interested in seeing what some talent has to say about this stuff. -
that half of us who watched BSG still have no idea what happened. the question i ask myself is, do i really want to go through all of that again?
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That's what I'm saying. There is no connection except they call themselves "Cylons". Which makes no sense. If the toasters were created by people and dubbed Cylons, then these other critters come from across the galaxy, they have nothing to do with each other inherently.
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The clips do nothing for me and I was a huge Galactica fan. I just feel "Meh" about Caprica.
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With Marian dead and a black Friar Tuck, it truly is a show that can only be watched while on the same drugs the writers are.
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Yeah I tried that show early on, but it really wasn't my thing at all. A far better TV version is the mid-80s Robin of Sherwood.
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Ah so, I see what you're saying now. I guess it boils down to the whole "this has happened before..." prophecy. Even the Earth cylons made their own set cylon Centurion servants.
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Right. The problem is it's too vague AND too specific a connection to sell the "this has happened before" line. Too vague because they're only really connected by the participation is a slave/master relationship, then too specific because they are both "Cylons" somehow. I don't know; it's pretty rough if you think about it. The general idea is viable, it just gets bogged down in the details.
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http://www.televisionaryblog.co m/2009/03/man-before-fall-advance-review-of-sci.html
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The notion that Cylons are very close to humans is a popular and oft used science fiction concept but what always bothered me about the skin jobs is that they really don’t appear to be different from humans on any level organically speaking. They bleed and die just like humans and even doctors are unable to tell them apart. Hell, some can even breed with humans apparently. It just never made sense. If the skin jobs are purely organic (And they must be to pass all those medical tests) how could they even be classified as machines?
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Thx for posting that article... how they outlined the Caprica plot makes me more interested... I was wondering how skinjobs fit into the Caprica/BSG timeline 50 years before the final 5 and all that stuff.
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TheLastCleric, it never made sense because they didn't really plan any of this out. Six's back lit up in the miniseries sex scene (but we were later told to make nothing of it). Boomer plugged a cable into her wrist and interfaced with the Galactica's computers early in season two, yet somehow medicinal science can't be used to detect a "Cylon". There's a bunch of nonsense like that.
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WHAT, he only shows up in the last episode, and even then he's only referenced to wrap up all the story arcs that the writers couldn't write their way out of? FUCK!
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God turns up in season one.
They made you think it was all in Baltars head, but it turns out not, God is real. The End. -
Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one who found the skin job angle a bit odd. When I was explaining the concept to my brother-in-law recently, who is a very literate and intelligent guy, he thought it concept sounded ridiculous. I wonder why they didn't opt to make the skin jobs human clones with some sort of Cylon cerebral cortex? That wouldn't explain everything but at least it would explain the genetic similarities. The Cylon transition from mechanical to organic is never really explained in the show which, in my opinion, is one of the most glaring flaws of the entire series.
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Gonna pass on this show.
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Mar 31, 2009 6:22:43 PM CDT
BSG series finale one of the very best in TV history.
by le vicious fishus
The gnashing of teeth from naysayers seems familiar. Reminds me of the perplexed furor over McGoohan's THE PRISONER series finale.
The fact that there is so much extreme love and hatred for the finale (and the series as a whole) bodes well to me.
Face it. Moore's BSG is a masterpiece. And like all masterpieces, it's flawed. *Wonderfully* flawed.
Me, I can't say I hadn't any big problems with the finale or the series as a whole. But I certainly did love BSG, warts and confusion and all. The last hour had me in a dreamlike, perpetual state of tears and awe. Wonderful.
Moore's BSG is an absolute TV classic. We'll be talking about this one for decades to come... Mark my words.Oh, and God = the BSG writers of course. To me there's no hard sci fi vs mysticism controversy. It's simply metafiction, guys. And metafiction of this sort goes down well--at least for me. I'm on board for CAPRICA if it's half as good as BSG was. -
At something like 2.5 million viewers, it's reported that ratings were the highest since the second episode of Season 2 BTW.RDM & company should take advantage of it and make good use of it regarding CAPRICA. One way is to blend in more BSG elements. There's always the New Caprica flash forward approach to bring us deeper into the rise of the Cylons. They could also blend in stories of the final five traveling to the Colonies.Just sayin.
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In the BSG universe they say all of this has happened before and will happen again. The current population of Earth, our Earth, are actually descendants of indigenous humans, colonial fleet humans, and cylons.
To me this means that some of us are, even in a small way, part cylon. Hence what BSG is getting at is that when people experience visions, or connect to the "collective subconscious/unconscious" - they're just accessing the cylon part of themselves and experiencing that programming, whatever it might be.
Now if all of this has happened before, does it not make sense that the colonials were in the same position that we are? Could the colonial population have been made up of people who were part cylon the same way we are? Hence why some experienced visions, and others seemed to follow destinies to get to the end of their journey. They were programmed, even in a small way, to do so. The BSG god doesn't have to be a mystical deus ex machina in this story, it can be explained scientifically within the boundaries of this sci-fi universe.
All of this has happened before and will happen again. The cycle may be broken, maybe it's not, either way all the elements exist for it to continue. Whether it does or not is up to the human/cylon us. Lovely sci-fi, albeit with much artistic license taken.
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http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_depressed_distant_since?utm_source=a-section (remove spaces)
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