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About That Brian Tyler / TREK Trailer Music Debacle...


Merrick here...


A few days ago I posted an article linking out to THIS audio interview with composer Brian Tyler.

In the interview, Brian discusses how a portion of his CHILDREN OF DUNE score was re-recorded for use in a trailer for the new STAR TREK movie.

I erroneously indicated that the music he was discussing could be found in the THIRD (most recent theatrical) trailer for the film. This was incorrect - the music in the third trailer is not the music Tyler was referring to in his interview. I was mistaken, pure and simple. The music he's talking about was used in the second trailer for the film.

Alas, matters turned out to be not that simple. The following explains why the initial article was suspended, and why further explanation was delayed until now.

Shortly after the posting, a few (now deleted) Talkbacks indicated that none of the trailers for J.J. Abrams' new STAR TREK movie have featured Tyler's music - specifically stating that music used in the second and third trailers was created by (and the property of) a trailer music company called Two Steps From Hell (website ). This assertion was also put forth via a few unnecessarily hostile e-mails.

After ascertaining which Tyler-composed piece was supposedly repurposed for the second STAR TREK trailer, I started digging around the Net and found that the cue in question..."War Begins" from Tyler's CHILDREN OF DUNE score...was often, but not always, attributed to Two Steps From Hell rather than CHILDREN OF DUNE.

Hunh?

So...I asked myself: how can music which clearly sounds like Brian Tyler's "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE not be "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE?

And, if CHILDREN OF DUNE was repurposed for a STAR TREK trailer, why does the Two Steps From Hell website display the following ownership statements?

This Star Trek Trailer features the custom score 'Down With The Enterprise' and the musical theme begins after the boy says "My name is "James...Kirk"

(seen HERE)

"Custom Score" says nothing about Tyler. "Down With the Enterprise" is the CHILDREN OF DUNE piece Tyler is referring to in the trailer, although no reference to "Down With Enterprise" cannibalizing CHILDREN is made on the Two Steps website.

Another (apparently) all-encompassing ownership statement appears on one of the Two Steps site's front pages:

All compositions are written by Thomas Bergersen and Nick Phoenix in solar powered studios.

(seen HERE

Which also doesn't credit Tyler/CHILDREN OF DUNE. There is another example of All Cues Written by Nick Phoenix & Thomas J.Bergersen - Published by Two Steps From Hell (ASCAP)

(seen HERE).

So, the question was apparent: how exactly did Brian Tyler fit into this equation? And why isn't Tyler's music being credited on the Two Steps website - leading many to the erroneous conclusion that a piece from CHILDREN OF DUNE is actually composed by someone else, for something else, altogether?

In the hopes of clearing things up, my man ScoreKeeper - godlike and ever-connected - promptly & efficiently reached out to Brain Tyler, who quickly sent back this reply:

It is 100% true that my music was licensed for the second Star Trek trailer (not the third trailer). Paramount Pictures licensed my track called "War Begins" from the "Children of Dune" soundtrack. As you can hear in the trailer, the original version of "War Begins" from my 2003 CD is used - but also the company "Two Steps From Hell" recorded an extension of my piece "War Begins" to fill the length of the trailer which was edited together with my original cue. That re-recorded part was done last year which, obviously, was 5 years after I originally recorded the piece for "Children of Dune."

So there you have Brian's view on the matter. I really appreciate ScoreKeeper reaching out to him. Hopefully, this note will resolve some online confusion regarding where the music in TREK trailer #2 came from (see the Two Steps statement below for further details).

In the interest of equal opportunity and fair play, we reached out to Two Steps from Hell asking why Tyler isn't credited on their site. We received this reply from Nick Phoenix - one of the company's composers/overlords.

Brian Tyler is supposed to also be credited on our site. It should be fixed now. Star Trek Trailer #2 features "War Begins" by Brian Tyler and "Down With The Enterprise" by Two Steps From Hell. "Down With The Enterprise" is a new arrangement of "War Begins", but does contain a new section of music not based on "War Begins". which was used heavily in the trailer. -Nick

As of this article's publication, the oversight has not been corrected on Two Steps' site.

So, for all of those who've been wondering what happened to the original Tyler/TREK article - why it was disappeared, etc. - this is what went down.

The issue wasn't as simple as my apologizing for fingering the wrong TREK trailer - the matter morphed into a very different (and somewhat unrelated) issue:

1) we had to allow time for the dust from this crediting issue to settle before following up on our initial posting - lest we credit the wrong people for the wrong reasons, etc,.

2) We had to round up statements from Brian and Nick.

3) Deal with public confusion re: the origin of the piece...

4) Etc.

So, to summarize...

1) In the original article, I erroneously specified Tyler's music appeared in the third TREK trailer. Brian's music actually appears in the second TREK trailer.

2) Some of the music used in the second trailer is reworked from a Brian Tyler track called "War Begins" from the soundtrack of the CHILDREN OF DUNE miniseries.
Other music is also used in that trailer.

3) When online, if you run across any embeds of "Down With The Enterprise" credited to Two Steps from Hell (one embed shows an orchestra performing the piece) - realize the music is not exclusively a Two Steps composition & utilizes rearranged music composed by Brian Tyler.

4) If you believed "Down With The Enterprise" was exclusively a Two Steps composition, this is likely because of (what is presumably) a clerical error on the Two Steps website; said error omitted Tyler's credit. When TREK fans/score fans went to check the Two Steps site - misunderstanding erupted. In theory, the crediting issue on the Two Steps site should be corrected shortly.

**WHEW**

I think this makes sense. I hope this makes sense. Strange how such a simple matter can transform into such a wicked, bitchy hydra.

Which brings us back to where we started:

There's an interesting audio interview with Brian Tyler online over at ScoreNotes. In the piece, Tyler discusses how the new TREK movie was temp tracked with his CHILDREN OF DUNE score, the surprisingly adult nature of the new FAST & FURIOUS movie, and how BATTLE: LOS ANGELES may be the most bad ass alien invasion film ever.

Hear it all at...


www.scorenotes.com!!!




I have a headache.



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Battle Beasts are still awesome
by SoylentMean
Mar 25th, 2009
11:27:29 AM
First
by panicdawg
Mar 25th, 2009
11:28:53 AM
Dammit, foiled again.
by panicdawg
Mar 25th, 2009
11:29:19 AM
So....what?
by Sardonic
Mar 25th, 2009
11:31:27 AM
whos on first?
by Groothewarrior
Mar 25th, 2009
11:32:07 AM
Tell us more about this Battle: Los Angeles flick
by SoylentMean
Mar 25th, 2009
11:34:05 AM
Who cares
by Jodet
Mar 25th, 2009
11:35:39 AM
I don't get it
by Vern
Mar 25th, 2009
11:38:56 AM
So was that Giacchino on the Third Trailer?
by DKT
Mar 25th, 2009
11:38:57 AM
So very sorry to learn that trailer #3's music isn't going to be
by K00m0
Mar 25th, 2009
11:39:57 AM
I think we are back to Buffy music
by brianis425
Mar 25th, 2009
11:40:25 AM
This is too funny
by God's Brother
Mar 25th, 2009
11:43:38 AM
Dude, half my lunch hour went into reading this!
by YackBacker
Mar 25th, 2009
11:44:03 AM
I'm sure that
by twisted_lullaby
Mar 25th, 2009
11:51:04 AM
Want to hear Giacchino's Star Trek Score?
by Admiral Nelson
Mar 25th, 2009
11:52:14 AM
Third Trailer music
by Rogue16
Mar 25th, 2009
11:54:09 AM
The wallace
by THE WALLACE
Mar 25th, 2009
11:56:00 AM
Well whatever they used...
by DC Films
Mar 25th, 2009
11:58:39 AM
In fairness to Two Steps From Hell...
by captaincurse
Mar 25th, 2009
12:02:45 PM
60's Fight theme
by Mr_Fancy_Pants
Mar 25th, 2009
12:10:17 PM
Went to the Star Trek site...
by seanny_d
Mar 25th, 2009
12:12:26 PM
MERRICK-Who sent the bitchy emails?
by DoctorWho?
Mar 25th, 2009
12:13:53 PM
@DKT and Rogue16
by beatowner
Mar 25th, 2009
12:14:20 PM
Thanks to beatowner!!!!!
by Rogue16
Mar 25th, 2009
12:15:46 PM
I must have missed the original article...
by Rhuragh
Mar 25th, 2009
12:18:32 PM
Freedom Fighters
by MaxThrust
Mar 25th, 2009
12:19:54 PM
I'm not that fast, and I knew...
by GaiustheBrave
Mar 25th, 2009
12:26:46 PM
COOL STORY JEOPARDY TEEN!
by KinoEscalate
Mar 25th, 2009
12:32:04 PM
Yes, the 3rd trailer's music is "Freedom Fighters (Choir)"
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Mar 25th, 2009
12:37:59 PM
Funny thing is, Brian Tyler isn't all that great
by Rickey Henderson
Mar 25th, 2009
12:39:49 PM
Here's What Matters...
by IKnowStuff
Mar 25th, 2009
12:42:51 PM
Oh, the irony
by Lloytron
Mar 25th, 2009
12:47:26 PM
Wicked, bitchy hydra
by El Mamerro
Mar 25th, 2009
12:51:59 PM
Lloytron
by snomusic
Mar 25th, 2009
12:53:16 PM
no one seems to ever notice
by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers
Mar 25th, 2009
12:59:53 PM

by MikeTheSpike
Mar 25th, 2009
12:59:56 PM
yeah, i still don't understand the fuss
by newc0253
Mar 25th, 2009
01:07:28 PM
AICN:
by Newtie
Mar 25th, 2009
01:10:53 PM
Also,
by Rickey Henderson
Mar 25th, 2009
01:12:43 PM
Now fix AIG!
by ShogunMaster
Mar 25th, 2009
01:14:10 PM
Why not use Star Trek music?
by wilbur gray
Mar 25th, 2009
01:24:27 PM
Soooo... why did you delete our post histories again?
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
01:24:54 PM
This spins my head Right Round...
by NoHubris
Mar 25th, 2009
01:25:10 PM
The music in the third trailer was NOT Giacchino
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
01:25:39 PM
BUT THEN WHO WAS PHONE?
by dr sauch
Mar 25th, 2009
01:29:37 PM
Yes but WHO did the music for the Paul Blart trailer??
by Iron-kong
Mar 25th, 2009
01:32:43 PM
merrick dude all due respect
by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers
Mar 25th, 2009
01:33:28 PM
Wow. Who cares?
by lockesbrokenleg
Mar 25th, 2009
01:34:41 PM
I can simplify this whole thing
by Geekgasm
Mar 25th, 2009
01:36:41 PM
Seriously- who gives a fuck?
by Rubiks Doob
Mar 25th, 2009
01:40:00 PM
Justice at last....
by lazygarfield
Mar 25th, 2009
01:40:45 PM
Oh, also - My favorite Brian Tyler track?
by Geekgasm
Mar 25th, 2009
01:41:00 PM
u might not care
by ominus
Mar 25th, 2009
01:42:04 PM
AICN, How about an apology to Giacchino
by darthpigman
Mar 25th, 2009
01:43:44 PM
The 3rd trailer was really amped up by the music
by Knobules
Mar 25th, 2009
01:44:11 PM
People who care about this...
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
01:51:32 PM
What the Hell?!?!
by BCfreeB
Mar 25th, 2009
01:59:40 PM
God I wish Jerry Goldsmith were here to...
by cameron1975willi
Mar 25th, 2009
02:02:16 PM
Wait a minute, why isn't James Horner doing it?
by cameron1975willi
Mar 25th, 2009
02:04:36 PM
Debacle?
by RobertBaron
Mar 25th, 2009
02:06:02 PM
Why isn't James Horner doing it?
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
02:07:51 PM
After reading some of the negative comments here...
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
02:09:56 PM
Whats "Children of Dune"?
by The8thSamurai
Mar 25th, 2009
02:10:20 PM
DON'T GO TO THE OFFICIAL STAR TREK WEBSITE
by K00m0
Mar 25th, 2009
02:11:50 PM
hey BCfreeB
by IKnowStuff
Mar 25th, 2009
02:18:54 PM
Why doesn't Abrams get some dude with a trumpet
by scriptgirl_nipples
Mar 25th, 2009
02:21:36 PM
What Happened To AICN?
by MANZILLA
Mar 25th, 2009
02:25:42 PM
Who gives a shit?
by thepentaveret
Mar 25th, 2009
02:26:42 PM
"Who cares about trailer music?"
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
02:27:42 PM
Seriously the apology you owe is to Giacchino
by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers
Mar 25th, 2009
02:34:33 PM
We check and recheck and check our facts
by lockesbrokenleg
Mar 25th, 2009
02:35:13 PM
Why did I have to read this long article?
by The Eskimo
Mar 25th, 2009
02:38:09 PM
And on a similar note...
by The Eskimo
Mar 25th, 2009
02:42:19 PM
Nope...
by The Eskimo
Mar 25th, 2009
02:50:48 PM
This article...
by Margot_Tenenbaum
Mar 25th, 2009
03:03:50 PM
Great reporting job....
by Executor
Mar 25th, 2009
03:05:15 PM
This wasn't the comedy you intended to do tonight right?
by Smashing
Mar 25th, 2009
03:09:28 PM
Thge sarcasm from above...
by The Eskimo
Mar 25th, 2009
03:13:46 PM
@D.Vader
by BLEST
Mar 25th, 2009
03:27:05 PM
But that doesn't make sense BLEST
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
03:37:57 PM
I'm still figuring out who did the music for the teaser...
by MrMysteryGuest
Mar 25th, 2009
03:41:46 PM
Well, at least it's not that cunt Tyler Bates.
by JackPumpkinhead
Mar 25th, 2009
03:42:38 PM
D.Vader
by BLEST
Mar 25th, 2009
03:46:50 PM
D Vader
by Lloytron
Mar 25th, 2009
03:47:00 PM
I agree with you Lloytron
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
03:56:48 PM
what was the middle part again?
by BadMrWonka
Mar 25th, 2009
03:57:35 PM
Thank Christ THAT'S cleared up.
by Clavius
Mar 25th, 2009
04:19:24 PM
For ALL Giacchino fans out there...
by wtriker1701
Mar 25th, 2009
04:34:42 PM
Entire histories being deleted
by snomusic
Mar 25th, 2009
04:39:35 PM
Aint It Spectacularly Boring Incorrect News
by quantize
Mar 25th, 2009
04:51:02 PM
SnoCone
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
05:00:19 PM
Meant Snomusic
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
05:25:50 PM
My life can begin again knowing that all is well......
by Gabba-UK
Mar 25th, 2009
05:27:43 PM
D.Vader - I feel ya man.
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Mar 25th, 2009
05:56:49 PM
Brian Tyler rocked on Bubba Ho-Tep!
by Amy Chasing
Mar 25th, 2009
06:22:58 PM
D. Vader
by snomusic
Mar 25th, 2009
06:47:30 PM
true that was an incredibly long post almost about nothing.
by TheDark0Knight
Mar 25th, 2009
07:02:03 PM
to be honest I dont understand any of what I just read haha
by TheDark0Knight
Mar 25th, 2009
07:04:42 PM
and who composed it?
by TheDark0Knight
Mar 25th, 2009
07:05:07 PM
So which one had the Giant Robot in it-?
by Sal_Bando
Mar 25th, 2009
07:42:42 PM
Oh dear, AICN. Oh Dear indeed
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
Mar 25th, 2009
08:29:09 PM
Yes, yes, but.....
by wackybantha
Mar 25th, 2009
08:33:40 PM
Thank fucking God this was cleared up
by MattmanReturns
Mar 25th, 2009
09:05:06 PM
Errr
by jdb1972
Mar 25th, 2009
09:32:37 PM
Genteel_Gentile
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
09:40:16 PM

by MikeTheSpike
Mar 25th, 2009
09:47:13 PM
ATT: Executor
by whitty
Mar 25th, 2009
09:49:19 PM
In the Immortal Words of Artie Lange
by NumbNutz
Mar 25th, 2009
09:59:59 PM
Did they mark up the score
by MrDexter
Mar 25th, 2009
10:04:41 PM
Snomusic, you're allright in my book too
by D.Vader
Mar 25th, 2009
10:15:22 PM
Are we discussing "Fucking A Fat Chick"?
by BurnHollywood
Mar 25th, 2009
10:15:50 PM
This article is so unnecessary.
by Toilet_Terror
Mar 25th, 2009
11:10:30 PM
what Vern said
by The Amazing G
Mar 26th, 2009
12:32:27 AM
Aint it no news.
by Motoko Kusanagi
Mar 26th, 2009
01:16:31 AM
Majority of Tyler's score for RAMBO was credited to him...
by Monkey_King
Mar 26th, 2009
04:37:04 AM
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by iamalice1
Mar 26th, 2009
06:46:04 AM
Who gives a fuck?
by Dragon Man
Mar 26th, 2009
07:02:34 AM
Summon the Ban-Hammer for iamalice1
by Amy Chasing
Mar 26th, 2009
07:11:08 AM
actually
by wumper
Mar 26th, 2009
09:13:37 AM
FUCK YOU Two Steps From Hell !!
by DoctorWho?
Mar 26th, 2009
09:39:57 AM
I find it funny
by Tom_Bombadil
Mar 26th, 2009
11:32:40 AM
Sheep Assholes
by IKnowStuff
Mar 26th, 2009
11:35:43 AM
Know what'll be cool?
by EverythingEverywhereStinks
Mar 26th, 2009
11:38:09 AM
by ron d moore.
by alice 13
Mar 26th, 2009
12:06:48 PM
Oh For Fuck's Sake
by Grayskull
Mar 26th, 2009
12:26:14 PM
Is it really that hard...
by BendersShinyAss
Mar 26th, 2009
12:32:56 PM
D.Vader
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Mar 26th, 2009
01:45:45 PM
Genteel Gentile
by BendersShinyAss
Mar 26th, 2009
02:23:42 PM
Genteel and Bender
by D.Vader
Mar 26th, 2009
02:51:32 PM
Banning
by Toonol
Mar 26th, 2009
04:08:28 PM
Toonol
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Mar 26th, 2009
05:15:10 PM
Yeah Toonol
by D.Vader
Mar 26th, 2009
05:22:42 PM
D.Vader
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Mar 26th, 2009
05:36:03 PM
Trailer Music
by Klaatu2012
Mar 27th, 2009
10:12:16 AM
Original music
by Zath_ras
Mar 27th, 2009
10:20:03 AM
Genteel Gentile
by D.Vader
Mar 27th, 2009
05:28:32 PM
Oh and Genteel
by D.Vader
Mar 27th, 2009
05:29:16 PM
D.Vader
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Mar 27th, 2009
09:05:45 PM
(that's "vagUe" threat and "pUrsuing anything")
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Mar 27th, 2009
09:18:38 PM
"lampooning said "Editors" own vulGarous slander"
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Mar 27th, 2009
09:33:38 PM
Oh fudge-pickles man! I give up D.Vader!
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Mar 27th, 2009
09:42:58 PM
I don't know about all this, but...
by SebastianHaff
Mar 28th, 2009
06:05:19 PM

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