This Star Trek Trailer features the custom score 'Down With The Enterprise' and the musical theme begins after the boy says "My name is "James...Kirk"(seen HERE) "Custom Score" says nothing about Tyler. "Down With the Enterprise" is the CHILDREN OF DUNE piece Tyler is referring to in the trailer, although no reference to "Down With Enterprise" cannibalizing CHILDREN is made on the Two Steps website. Another (apparently) all-encompassing ownership statement appears on one of the Two Steps site's front pages:
All compositions are written by Thomas Bergersen and Nick Phoenix in solar powered studios.(seen HERE Which also doesn't credit Tyler/CHILDREN OF DUNE. There is another example of
It is 100% true that my music was licensed for the second Star Trek trailer (not the third trailer). Paramount Pictures licensed my track called "War Begins" from the "Children of Dune" soundtrack. As you can hear in the trailer, the original version of "War Begins" from my 2003 CD is used - but also the company "Two Steps From Hell" recorded an extension of my piece "War Begins" to fill the length of the trailer which was edited together with my original cue. That re-recorded part was done last year which, obviously, was 5 years after I originally recorded the piece for "Children of Dune."So there you have Brian's view on the matter. I really appreciate ScoreKeeper reaching out to him. Hopefully, this note will resolve some online confusion regarding where the music in TREK trailer #2 came from (see the Two Steps statement below for further details). In the interest of equal opportunity and fair play, we reached out to Two Steps from Hell asking why Tyler isn't credited on their site. We received this reply from Nick Phoenix - one of the company's composers/overlords.
Brian Tyler is supposed to also be credited on our site. It should be fixed now. Star Trek Trailer #2 features "War Begins" by Brian Tyler and "Down With The Enterprise" by Two Steps From Hell. "Down With The Enterprise" is a new arrangement of "War Begins", but does contain a new section of music not based on "War Begins". which was used heavily in the trailer. -NickAs of this article's publication, the oversight has not been corrected on Two Steps' site. So, for all of those who've been wondering what happened to the original Tyler/TREK article - why it was disappeared, etc. - this is what went down. The issue wasn't as simple as my apologizing for fingering the wrong TREK trailer - the matter morphed into a very different (and somewhat unrelated) issue: 1) we had to allow time for the dust from this crediting issue to settle before following up on our initial posting - lest we credit the wrong people for the wrong reasons, etc,. 2) We had to round up statements from Brian and Nick. 3) Deal with public confusion re: the origin of the piece... 4) Etc. So, to summarize... 1) In the original article, I erroneously specified Tyler's music appeared in the third TREK trailer. Brian's music actually appears in the second TREK trailer. 2) Some of the music used in the second trailer is reworked from a Brian Tyler track called "War Begins" from the soundtrack of the CHILDREN OF DUNE miniseries. Other music is also used in that trailer. 3) When online, if you run across any embeds of "Down With The Enterprise" credited to Two Steps from Hell (one embed shows an orchestra performing the piece) - realize the music is not exclusively a Two Steps composition & utilizes rearranged music composed by Brian Tyler. 4) If you believed "Down With The Enterprise" was exclusively a Two Steps composition, this is likely because of (what is presumably) a clerical error on the Two Steps website; said error omitted Tyler's credit. When TREK fans/score fans went to check the Two Steps site - misunderstanding erupted. In theory, the crediting issue on the Two Steps site should be corrected shortly. **WHEW** I think this makes sense. I hope this makes sense. Strange how such a simple matter can transform into such a wicked, bitchy hydra. Which brings us back to where we started: There's an interesting audio interview with Brian Tyler online over at ScoreNotes. In the piece, Tyler discusses how the new TREK movie was temp tracked with his CHILDREN OF DUNE score, the surprisingly adult nature of the new FAST & FURIOUS movie, and how BATTLE: LOS ANGELES may be the most bad ass alien invasion film ever. Hear it all at...
March 25, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST
... and this seems like a clusterfuck...
March 25, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST
March 25, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST
How does any of this matter?
March 25, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST
whats on second? i dunnos on third?
March 25, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST
It's just a trailer.
March 25, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST
I'm gonna go ahead and never think about it again.
March 25, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST
Because that shit was killer-kahn.
March 25, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST
I thought it was brilliant, and added a lot to my putting the film in a "must see" brain cell file, from the "wait for the DVD" brain cell where it has now returned. I wish I could afford to assign another cell for "order from On Demand", but I have precious few brain cells as it is.
March 25, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST
I believe that we have returned to where we started that the music is repurposed from the finale of Buffy. Who knows....
March 25, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST
by God's Brother
God, what a website. What. A. Website.
March 25, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST
I need to get out more.
March 25, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST
could've been worded/structured better. Head ache indeed.
March 25, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST
by Admiral Nelson
Or at least a small piece of it? Then go to www.startrekmovie.com, and click on "Enter the Site." The music that plays under this page is supposedly a Giacchino theme that recurs throughout the film, according to sources at Film Score Monthly. (And note: NONE of the trailers released so far feature Giacchino's music.)
March 25, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST
Great for the second trailer...WHAT ABOUT THE THIRD... anyone know what music that is?
March 25, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST
by THE WALLACE
When a nerd says this about a bunch of nerds.... take heed--- this was fucking sad. Anyone bitching and moaning and e-mailing Merrick... you are a fucking nerd.
March 25, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST
by DC Films
...in the final full trailer is great - if it's not from the movie, then maybe that's a great pity.
March 25, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST
... when I went looking for the music off trailer 2 when it was first released - I found a forum with a post from that guy Nick - who said it was based on Tyler's work.
March 25, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST
And I don't mean the bit of the Courage theme at the end. Why not a bit of the full orchestral arrangement of the theme by Giacchino playing DURING the goddamn trailers??
March 25, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST
that's why music in TRAILERS isn't newsworthy to begin with. everybody know they pull all kinds of stock emotional music in trailers that end up having to tie with the movie. B F D
March 25, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST
Repurpose that for the next trailer. Actually just play it constantly through the whole film.
March 25, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST
That music is clearly Giacchino. And I really love it. I can't wait for the movie.
March 25, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST
Seems like a lot of minutae to get too pissed off about...unless it was effecting someone getting paid.<p> Just like to know who has the atttude , you know. I'm sure only the people involved truly give a shit about something SO insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
March 25, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST
The music in the third trailer is also Two Steps From Hell. The cue is called Freedom Fighters.
March 25, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST
now if I can just find the mp3 ;-)
March 25, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST
March 25, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST
But yes, Tyler's music from Children of Dune is definitely used in one of the Trek trailers. I don't know which one. Does it matter? Anyway, it is blatantly obvious to anyone who actually has, you know, EARS that it is Tyler's music. The people who claimed it wasn't Tyler's music are likely die hard Lost fanatics throwing themselves on the wire for their beloved Giacchino. They're also fucking idiots, which strangely enough has a large correlation with the Lost fan base.
March 25, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST
Once and for all, the music from the third trailer is: "Freedom Fighters (Choir)" by Niles Iver (Two Steps From Hell". It's available on their LEGEND album. You can find it from reputable sources i.e. buy it, or use Soulseek.
March 25, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST
This "debacle" is totally ridiculous.
March 25, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST
it was a composition from "Children of Dune." It's been used before, I think I remember, and it will be used again. Welcome to the Golden Path, my friends.
March 25, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST
March 25, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST
Just as MaxThrust has already stated, let their br no more confusion. The music from the third trailer is "Freedom Fighters (Choir) "From the custom trailer music outfit Two Steps From Hell, off of their promo album Legend. "Down With The Enterprise" (the embellished reorchestration of Brian Tyler's COD "War Begins" from the 2nd trailer) is on the second disc of the 2cd promo version of the Legend album from Two Steps From Hell. None of this music is available for purchase thus far, although plans are apparently underway for a compilation of Two Steps From Hell custom trailer music to have a commercial realise sometime in the future. Now please let the speculation end, there is no Buffy music, or Giacchino score used on the trailers.
March 25, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST
Is it that e-time of the month for you?
March 25, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST
by Rickey Henderson
The Children of Dune soundtrack has got to be the most overrated musical score ever. It's the same basic theme repeated over and over. Can we stop paying lip service to this already? Whoever the composer was who did the score to the third trailer was pretty good however. Was it Giacchino? Or Jablonsky? (that would be funny).
March 25, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST
Brian Tyler and Two Steps From Hell both got paid lots of money for their music (TSFH obviously got paid more, as they have music in both trailers.) So it doesn't matter if TSFH's website indicates the proper composer, because the folks over at Paramount know what's up, the composers have been paid, and everything is under control. And likely the only people who will be able to afford licensing the track will be a major studio, and Nick [Phoenix] is not going to take credit for the writing the cue, when someone expresses interest in licensing the track. When I was originally curious about the article, it was not about trailer 2 or trailer 3, it was if JJ actually approached Tyler to come up with a new score for Star Trek - which is not the case at all. Issue settled.
March 25, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST
Seems like such a lot of effort to cover what was essentially a simple mistake that nobody cared about<p>Why don't you guys go to the same lengths when you gush about movies that turn out to be total stinkers?!
March 25, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST
by El Mamerro
It wasn't in WATCHMEN.
March 25, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST
If ya check out the Astro Boy talkback you'll see just how important this was to D. Vader.
March 25, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST
how many cues on children of dune were in my mind probably temp tracked with zimmer's gladiator score. there's some good stuff on there, but when it comes to epic score with non western instrumentation, Bear McReary is the shit. None of his stuff sounds temp tracked ever.
Christ Merrick, who gave you the keys to the site? On an unrelated note, those Army Ants with the orange and blue teams and the guts you could take off them, those were as cool as Battle Beasts. Well, I might give the Beasts an extra point for articulation, but the ants had their charm.
March 25, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST
okay, so the original article raised some attribution issues. so what?<p> couldn't the talkback have continued and the article updated once the new info came to light? why was it necessary to keep the article up in its mutilated form?<p>
March 25, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST
It's best not to dwell on such minutiae
March 25, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST
by Rickey Henderson
In Rickey's opinion, posts like this only serve to further marginalize AICN. You think the public at large or rest of the film industry gives a damn about which B-list composer did a 30 second score for a movie trailer? They do not. No one does. It seems to Rickey like the only purpose of recanting this story is to highlight the minor connections AICN has left in the film industry. You want to impress Rickey? Come up with a decent scoop.
March 25, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST
And tell Obama how to fix the economy! <p> I can't believe you guys spent that much effort to credit some musician for a movie trailers' theme music. If you could put half of that energy into the economy, we'll all be millionaires by 2010!
March 25, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST
by wilbur gray
Paramount has a library of Star Trek music to choose from,and they use Tyler's Dune music in the trailer?I remember seeing the Undiscovered Country teaser with Goldsmith's Lt.Ilia theme from ST:TMP accompanying the visuals.Goldsmith's music wasn't in the final film,but it worked because fans recognized it and became stoked for another chapter.Reminds me of last summer when the first Crystal Skull trailer came out with music from none of the previous fims,except the Raiders march at the end.
March 25, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST
I still don't understand why someone felt the need to pretty much ban some of the talkbacker's post histories (from every talkback ever) on this site, when nothing anyone had said was hostile, insulting, or full of curse words. <p> That said, this incident has become one of the most interesting AICN scoops/stories in MONTHS.
March 25, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST
... (not in the way Flo Rida is talking 'bout) but I get it now.<p>In an industry where credits mean everything, such clarification IS important.
March 25, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST
Good God, its a riff on the Batman Begins theme.
March 25, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST
by dr sauch
March 25, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST
I must know!
March 25, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST
but take a high school journalism class. a retraction apology and correction is all that needed. we don't need to know your inner workings. especially when they're this pedantic. i know you mean well but seriously you have yet to find a personal voice on this site and you often do strange things like this. like the post about your son.
March 25, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST
March 25, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST
by saying "Who cares about Star Trek?" Thank you.
March 25, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST
by Rubiks Doob
This is the least cool news ever...
March 25, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST
by Laya Maheshwari
To humbly put it forth, I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO NOTICE AND REPORT!!!!!!!!!
March 25, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST
Gotta be "Total Eclipse of the Heart".
March 25, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST
but the creators of film music do care. remember when Tyler Bates plagiarized the music of Elliot Goldenthal's Titus for his 300 ost? <p>he got trialled and reached an agreement with the original creator . <p>and frankly we should care,because i hate praising someone for someone elses work (yeah zack the hack snyder,i am referring to you)
March 25, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST
For creepily starting an unnecessary rumor (insinuating that his Star Trek score had been replaced by Brian Tyler) and then letting it bake for two days while you waited to clear up your fuck up.
March 25, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST
Are the people who really care about film, and by extension of that, film music. <p> BAM
March 25, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST
There was way too much energy spent on this issue. I mean, good job doing your homework, but we don't need the whole ordeal put forward. Just the highlights. Or in this case, it's friggin trailer music, who cares anyway?
March 25, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST
...come up with yet another killer score, utilising motifs from his previous Trek work. Giacchino's got his work cut out.
March 25, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST
March 25, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST
The only people who give a shit about this are Brian Tyler, Two Steps from Hell and maybe some Trekkie who needs to every little detail about every little thing. That's like 7 people. Tops. 3 of them probably have Asperger's too.
March 25, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST
Because JJ loves working with Giacchino. That'd be like asking why Brian Tyler wasn't doing Spielberg's next movie, or why Tyler Bates wasn't doing Tim Burton's next.
March 25, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST
I've come to the conclusion there are a lot of non-film-fans here at this site.
March 25, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST
Is that a Thunderdome reference?
March 25, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST
On the right side of my screen, my PC happened to tune into a dorm room videocam of two busty hotties laying beside each other and giggling, juggling. I'M TRYING TO TALK TO THEM NOW. DO NOT MESS THIS UP.
March 25, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST
Fuck you. This is my fucking job. What do you do for a living that's so fucking awesome?
March 25, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST
to provide the music?<br> As he's fucking Star Trek up the ass with everything else he's doing.
March 25, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST
Make no mistake I LOVE THIS SITE. Ive been coming here daily for years. But what happened to all the cool news?
March 25, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST
It's a flippin trailer. Yawn.
March 25, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST
Uhhh, lots of people do. The same way they care about film music.
March 25, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST
the way you handled this, i didnt see the origial article just the headline and then the missing article. so i assumed it implied that tyler was working on the actual score for the film. no one gives a fuck who scored the trailer. hell for all i know that trailer was scored with danger zone from fucking top gun. seemed like it sorta.
March 25, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST
March 25, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST
by The Eskimo
1. Merrick screwed up an article. 2. In the course of fixing his mistake, it became apparent that there was a dispute over who wrote the music. 3. The article was pulled until AICN could figure it out. 4. Turns out, both composers had a hand in the music, and neither credited the other for their part. 5. Now it is fixed. The end.
March 25, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST
by The Eskimo
...I'm curious as to why Brian Tyler didn't mention Two Steps involvment in the original article. It seems like it would have been the natural thing to do in the context of the discussion. There is something more going on here. I'm going to check the Two Steps site to see if they really "fixed" their "mistake." Be right back.
March 25, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST
by The Eskimo
No changes. I wonder if there was some dispute over rights, money etc that caused some bad blood between the two. Seems like neither party wants to recognize the other's involvment unless thier hand is forced, ans with Scorekeepers phone call inquiry.
March 25, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST
by Margot Tenenbaum
...is absolutely insane. Deeply crazy.
March 25, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST
Too many times AICN is labeled as just a "gossip" or "cool news" site, and people lose sight of the fact that the main contributors are intelligent journalists who do a great job in their reportage and interviews. Thanks.
March 25, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST
What on Earth does all the above mean? is someone on crack?
March 25, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST
by The Eskimo
...is dripping all over my post!
March 25, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST
Post history was deleted because people were taking potshots at Star Trek Returns, and Harry and Co. are ultra JJ fanboys.
March 25, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST
Because I and others did no such thing. (I know you're trying to make a point). Your post didn't get deleted did it?
March 25, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST
March 25, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST
If "Watchmen" had a decent composer and at least two seconds of good and memorable music, maybe it wouldn't have tanked so badly.
March 25, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST
Nah, I know. I just wanted to get a jab in. But yeah, my post was deleted. The whole dang TB for that story was shut down.
March 25, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST
Fair enough, I guess some folks do give a toss about this sort of thing. Personally I don't, I just care about the finished article. it doesn't mean that I'm not a film fan because I don't care to have an encyclopedic knowledge of what the make up artists do in their spare time. Anyway that's beside the point.<p>The point is, this is a minor issue and if anything was posted it should jus thave been a retraction.<p>To me this site makes far bigger mistakes when it gives glowing reviews to films that don't deserve it. Where are the retractions for the articles that encourage people to waste their money on bad movies?!
March 25, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST
I think the article could definitely use some tightening up, and I think the best course of action would have just been to keep the Talkback and erase the story leaving it with an "Will be Updated Soon" message (since leaving the story up until an update wouldn't suffice, not knowing when they'd get the info they required). <p> My main interest was why people had their histories erased, but its always good to get the correct information on trailer music (makes it easier to download that way). <p> And PS, you'll NEVER find retractions like that. Actually, I don't think you'll ever find a retraction from Harry, period.
March 25, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST
linguini, fettucine, spaghetti!
March 25, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST
Because, you know, I totally couldn't sleep anymore until I knew who the proper credit belonged to for a fucking TEMP TRACK in a MOVIE TRAILER.<br> <br>Now I can get on with my life again. Huzzah!
March 25, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST
Get LOST!!! <p> Somebody had to to say it!
March 25, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST
While that's an irritant I suppose, how long did you want it up? Had you planned to share the links to some particularly heated posted with your grandchildren when they came of age?<p>Seriously, the anger and bile that is spewed on this site, particularly about how the site has gone to pot is hilarious because, #1 - why do the haters return and #2, as many posts that come up, I can only assume the posters are disabled and just sit there hitting refresh all day until they get a response or no one has told them they can change their home page and there are lots of web pages out there... <p>AICN - For people who love movies and hate people.
March 25, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST
i got half way through that and gave up
March 25, 2009, 5 p.m. CST
No,its irritation over the fact that I had TB conversations going on in other TB's and suddenly all my posts were deleted without good reason, leaving those conversations looking a bit empty and confusing. On top of that it just feels a bit insulting when your stuff gets deleted but you see the offensive, childish, immature, rude, etc. shit that other people get away with on this site continue.
March 25, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST
My mistake =)
March 25, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST
... I mean this whole debacle has kept me from doing the other things which my life revolves around, like rearranging my sock drawer! I can't begin to tell you the lost amount of nanoseconds of sleep I've lost from the worry....
March 25, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST
Yeah, same thing happened to me back in the day, in another life. Completely wiped from existence on AICN. Believe it or not, it was for being polite! Can't prove it seeing as how it's all been deleted now. "Someone" was harboring much resentment for certain truths that had exposed them months earlier, and bided their time until they could manufacture a reason. Said person, actually dug up the months prior old post, reposted it, called me a hypocrate for trying to be civil, and faintly threatened me with expulsion if I said another word. I went on to actually apologise because the previous post in question was done in a mock vulgar fashion sarcastically parodying it's intended targets juvenile and obscene jornalistic methods. I don't think I need to say who it was, you can probably guess. But his activity was totally bogus, and very frustrating at the time, especially because reregestration wasn't possible for a good long time afterwards. I've just recently started back up here, so I'm not gonna pick a fight I can't win by saying more specifics on what power mad writer is running amuck at AICN with a wicked case of inferiority complex and a delete happy finger. I mean I'd just get banned at some random future date for no reason. I think anyone who reads this site on a regular basis knows the swine in question. So yeah, I know what you're saying. And for the record: "Boo Hoo!"
March 25, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST
by Amy Chasing
Bubba Ho-Tep wouldn't have been as good otherwise.
March 25, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST
Thanks for the clarification and correction as well - yer alright in my book. But unlike Stuntman Mike, I have no book.
March 25, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST
Im glad though that you explained everything...I was curious as to why it was taken down.
March 25, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST
what trailer is the one with the most epic fucking music Ive ever heard?
March 25, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST
March 25, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST
--I kinda missed that in the above article-
March 25, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
This post felt like one of the final nails in your coffin. <p>
March 25, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST
.....what does all this have to do with Megan Fox?!? She is sooo hot!!
March 25, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST
...Some dickheads send abusive messages about how you credited some dude with writing a score, that they claimed was written by two other dudes. But it turns out the two other dudes actually forgot to credit the first dude in using his score. Which would make the original dudes complaining about the first dude giant fuckheads.
March 25, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST
I was losing sleep.
March 25, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST
FOR SLOW NEWS
March 25, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST
If only AICN was as anal-retentive about, you know, things that matter. You know, not accepting pwesents and the like.
March 25, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST
Are you Octagon_Proplex?!?
Can we just encase this whole debacle in amber so we can refer to it, unvarnished, throughout the eons? There's just something spectacularly fucking stupid about the whole thing. Merrick distilled, if you'd like.
March 25, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST
Executor wrote:<i> "people lose sight of the fact that the main contributors are intelligent journalists who do a great job in their reportage and interviews."</i><br /><br /> Are you serious, man?? There is NOTHING whatsoever about AICN that is even remotely journalistic.
March 25, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST
This was a very interesting post. I think we should continue a detailed discussion of the various issues raised in an hour-long presentation to be aired on the WHO GIVES A SHIT CHANNEL!
March 25, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST
with a Sharpie-brand marker or was a generic marker used and people are just assuming that it was a Sharpie-brand marker. Take down all posts related to this matter until this issue is cleared up by the people who marked up the sheet music and Newell Rubbermaid / Sandford Brands, the makers of Sharpie-brand permanent markers
March 25, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST
March 25, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST
That's that incredibly powerful piece of music in the TREK trailer that perfectly depicts such a dilemma...<p> At first you're thinking "Holy crap, she's 300 lbs...NO ONE can do this! It would take at least two guys..."<p> But THEN...you start to get the hang of it...it's all in the rhythm...it's working...IT'S WORKING!<p> IT'S ALMOST DONE! The choir powerfully kicks in...YOU'RE ALMOST THERE! Yes! You've done it...YOU'VE DONE IT! You've fucked a fat chick!<p> You're a hero, now, farmboy.
March 25, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST
It's just a trailer.
March 26, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST
by The Amazing G
March 26, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
Move along, people. Nothing to see here...
March 26, 2009, 4:37 a.m. CST
but 85% of the score was Goldsmith music or cues from Goldsmith's FIRST BLOOD and RAMBO 2 scores, yet Tyler almost got full credit for Goldsmith-cued pieces.
March 26, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST
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March 26, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST
by Dragon Man
Seriously, this is important to who? And why?
March 26, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST
by Amy Chasing
for obvious reasons
March 26, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST
the music in the 3rd trailer has many similar tunes to Hans Zimmer's track "Journey to the Line" from the Thin Red Line. But I'm sure they've pulled cues from everywhere, like everyone else has said before me.
March 26, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST
Self Important Twats!
March 26, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST
All of this talk about the music in a Star trek movie trailer is too funny. I listened to the music on Two Steps From Hell and the War Begins from Children of Dune. I could hear the similarities in the War Begins and the Star Trek trailer. Didn't hear the similarities in the featured music on Devil Wears Nada though. Someone made a comment about the music sounding similar to Batman Begins and I would say part of it sounds similar but it varies from it slightly. I am looking forward to this new Trek movie.
March 26, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST
Man, there are some serious sheep assholes on this site. Get your own identity people - stop recycling the same shit that was posted by the last person. You know, nobody will judge you if you do actually care. Not just about this Tyler/Trek issue, but about life in general. Nobody will judge you if you care.
March 26, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST
Five to seven years from now, this whole "Brian Tyler's JJ Abrams' Star Trek Trailer #2 Temp Score: The Movie!" will be reimagined by whoever the current hot and trendy, no talent Hollywood golden boy will be, and we'll forget just how stupid and fake looking this current dust up over the temp score is. When it gets reimagined, we'll all be asking ourselves why we cared about it now. Remember, it won't be your daddy's Temp Score for the trailer when they reimagine it! I just hope Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman are the writers so there's a TON of continuity!
March 26, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST
by alice 13
cant wait to see the thing reboot/remake/prequel that hes done.
March 26, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST
Was this really worth writing a long-winded article about? Noooo...
March 26, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST
...for a multi million dollar film to record some original score. <p> Trek has over 30 years of music to temp to it's films. Magical Scores written by James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith, Leonard Rosenman (fuck didn't that one stink of shit) Cliff Eidelman (Who the fuck are you man?) and even Alexander courage's original trek theme. This is an original trek movie, isn't it? <p> Is it possible to call this trek an 'original' film? boggles the mind. <p> I love star ships. & planes too.
March 26, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST
Wow man, your intuition and memory serves you well! Let's keep it down though, I wouldn't want certain grudge minded entities alerted. But woh, seriously how'd you do that? You're freakin' me out right now.
March 26, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST
I remember that. At least, the one im thinking of involved Mori. Even that poor bastard couldn't take this shit anymore. <p> I don't even know why I'm here now to be perfectly honest. glutten for punishment i guess. <p> come to think of it... there's been a few posters ive seen get banned after touching a nerve with AICN personel. <p> D.vader I know what you mean by whole conversations being destroyed. the Ringbearer saga was unreadable after that fucker was banned. He's still here. I can feel him ....
March 26, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST
Well Genteel, I'll try and keep it on the downlow, but I was part of that talkback too, and I didn't say anything insulting either. And I was banned as well! I came back the next morning to see if said editor and you kept at it, and I realized your posts had disappeared. Then I realized mine had too. I got pissed, emailed said editor, and he said he didn't ban us but basically "tough shit" and that we deserved it. <p> So I emailed Moriarty instead and after a few weeks he got back to me and reinstated my TB handle. But at the time, I was pissed bc I couldn't re-register either. <p> But I saved that entire debacle bc I was railing against said editor on another site because of it. And I made sure to mention how you didn't so anything wrong, yet the editor brought up some comments you had made months ago like he was holding a grudge.<p> And Bender, I vaguely remember the Ringbearer saga. Could you help refresh my memory?
March 26, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST
I've never seen anybody banned from aicn that didn't make the place better by their absence. I'm sure you all felt unjustly put upon; but it's EASY to not get banned. Just don't act nuts. Most of us never do, and it works fine.
March 26, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST
I wish you could have read it man, I was being totally "geneel" and "gentile" (as opposed to the oposite of those things). If it all weren't erased, I'd say look it up and tell me I wasn't one of the more polite guys, willing to fully explain myself in civil discourse. In this case the editor was the one acting "nuts".
March 26, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST
It was the editor who lost his shit. Trust me. Everything Gentile did was spot on civility.
March 26, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST
Oh man, it's all coming back to me now! You came on and said it was pretty crazy for the editor to bring up some stuff from months prior and threaten to drop the big ban or something, and then editor said something like "Yeah, D. Vader, that's exactly how I put it!" or something. I go on to even apologise to the editor and try to explain why I had made such a remark and that I felt it was indead too harsh and that I took no pride in it. Next thing I know you, me and another guy were all deleted. Crazy, I totally remember you coming to my defense, so thanks man. Sorry you took some of the shrapnel from a bomb meant for me, that really is messed up. I recall e-mailing Harry asking if someone could review that situation, but I never got a response one way or another. Ah well...good times!
March 27, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST
his fucking stories aren't typed in big bright red unreadable fonts.
March 27, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST
Nobody cares. The 3rd trailer music was great, and if the music on the Official Site is Giacchino, then it's bad. Top heavy, no bass, just the the cheerleader crap at the end of Cloverfield.
March 27, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST
I was thinking of writing an original score by taking John Williams' "Superman" score, adding a few tom toms and islamic voices. I would then call it something edgy and satirical like "Bite it, Krypton!"
March 27, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST
Yeah that was me. I was defending you bc you asked if someone's post had been deleted, and the editor said basically "yes it had" and that if you disagreed with him you were fucked in the head. <p> After some back and forth between you two, he said you'd be wise to move along- which I perceived as a threat- is there any other way to interpret that statement? So yeah, I said "oh no, here comes to ban hammer," which then prompted the response you quoted up there. <p> I still don't understand why I was deleted, but in the email, said editor said we all deserved it- me especially bc I was getting involved in something about whose history I knew nothing about? Or some bullshit like that. It was all pretty stupid. As you said, you were polite the entire time. It was the editor who was holding a grudge due to an (angry) post you made MONTHS before. <p> I'm sorry you didn't get a response. You should have tried Mori. <p> When I saw you and I were banned, I assumed you must have said something wrong, but I'm sure you didn't. That editor just had an itchy trigger finger.
March 27, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST
Someone else got banned from that TB?
March 27, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST
It was the censoring of "Harry Bolzonnia" that triggered the whole thing. I'm not sure now if it was just one post that was deleated or if he got banned also. As I recall he said something like: "I almost wish it would have been Lucas rather than Winston", implying that because Winston still had digity and cared about making quality work instead of exploiting and patronizing the memories and good will of children of the 70's and 80's for purly monetary gain, it made it all the more heartbreaking. Because Winston still respected the art and the fans. At least that's what I understood it to mean, but he was immidiately deleated. When I asked what had just happened (?), "editor" said the guy had wished death on Lucas and anybody that thinks that's okay is "fucked in the head". I replyed that that was a fairley harsh response toward my question, that I don't think that was the point of the post, and that even if it were - why would it be forbidden to say such a thing when people have made their entire reputation on AICN for wishing death and forced sodemy on Michael Bay (why were they never censored? I thought it was a legitimite question.)? The "Editor" then called me a hypocrate and out of no where brang up some out of context rude quote from months prior, that was actually lampooning said "Editors" own vularous slander, and made a vage threat that I should basically not say another word. No yeah, I did the only thing I could do, which was apolgise to the "editor", not out of fear but because he obviously took it to heart and had been offended (I take no pride in making another person feel bad, that's really not my style at all and either was that rude post). And that was the last that I addressed him. There where some other instigators trying to fan the flames but I told them in no uncertain terms that I would not be a party to that and that as far as I was concerned any beef between the two of us had been squashed. I remenmber you where the only hero to emerge and say hold on this guy's not persuing anything, why is being threatened with the "ban hammer". Thanks again for being an advocate when others were clearly salavating for blood. You were the lone person to have enough backbone and integrity to see the situation with clear eyes and ask why, instead of trying to pile on and goat some kind of war of words. So thanks again, I really do appreciate that noble act. Then, all of a sudden I refresh the page and I'm a ghost.
March 27, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST
Tiny boxes are not my preferred method, not that spelling is my forte anyway. Oh but for the availability of an edit function, people might be persuaded to believe I was half way intellegent. Ah well, that boat has sailed and the truth is out now.
March 27, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST
Man, I gotta start typing this crap out on a notepad first, and reading through it so it makes a tiny bit of sense! Sorry D.Vader, for making you read through such incomprehensible rubish. The sentiments are sound though (I hope).
March 27, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST
Turns out "vulgarous" isn't even a word! Let's just say vulgar and leave it there. God, I quit man. Sincerly!<p> "I need a vEEcation!" - Detective John Kimmel
March 28, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST
Brian Tyler fucking rocks. His song 'All is Well' from the Bubba Ho-Tep soundtrack literally makes me cry like a little girl. He should be scoring much, much higher profile films in my opinion.