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About That Brian Tyler / TREK Trailer Music Debacle...

Merrick here...
A few days ago I posted an article linking out to THIS audio interview with composer Brian Tyler. In the interview, Brian discusses how a portion of his CHILDREN OF DUNE score was re-recorded for use in a trailer for the new STAR TREK movie. I erroneously indicated that the music he was discussing could be found in the THIRD (most recent theatrical) trailer for the film. This was incorrect - the music in the third trailer is not the music Tyler was referring to in his interview. I was mistaken, pure and simple. The music he's talking about was used in the second trailer for the film. Alas, matters turned out to be not that simple. The following explains why the initial article was suspended, and why further explanation was delayed until now. Shortly after the posting, a few (now deleted) Talkbacks indicated that none of the trailers for J.J. Abrams' new STAR TREK movie have featured Tyler's music - specifically stating that music used in the second and third trailers was created by (and the property of) a trailer music company called Two Steps From Hell (website ). This assertion was also put forth via a few unnecessarily hostile e-mails. After ascertaining which Tyler-composed piece was supposedly repurposed for the second STAR TREK trailer, I started digging around the Net and found that the cue in question..."War Begins" from Tyler's CHILDREN OF DUNE score...was often, but not always, attributed to Two Steps From Hell rather than CHILDREN OF DUNE. Hunh? So...I asked myself: how can music which clearly sounds like Brian Tyler's "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE not be "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE? And, if CHILDREN OF DUNE was repurposed for a STAR TREK trailer, why does the Two Steps From Hell website display the following ownership statements?
This Star Trek Trailer features the custom score 'Down With The Enterprise' and the musical theme begins after the boy says "My name is "James...Kirk"
(seen HERE) "Custom Score" says nothing about Tyler. "Down With the Enterprise" is the CHILDREN OF DUNE piece Tyler is referring to in the trailer, although no reference to "Down With Enterprise" cannibalizing CHILDREN is made on the Two Steps website. Another (apparently) all-encompassing ownership statement appears on one of the Two Steps site's front pages:
All compositions are written by Thomas Bergersen and Nick Phoenix in solar powered studios.
(seen HERE Which also doesn't credit Tyler/CHILDREN OF DUNE. There is another example of All Cues Written by Nick Phoenix & Thomas J.Bergersen - Published by Two Steps From Hell (ASCAP) (seen HERE). So, the question was apparent: how exactly did Brian Tyler fit into this equation? And why isn't Tyler's music being credited on the Two Steps website - leading many to the erroneous conclusion that a piece from CHILDREN OF DUNE is actually composed by someone else, for something else, altogether? In the hopes of clearing things up, my man ScoreKeeper - godlike and ever-connected - promptly & efficiently reached out to Brain Tyler, who quickly sent back this reply:
It is 100% true that my music was licensed for the second Star Trek trailer (not the third trailer). Paramount Pictures licensed my track called "War Begins" from the "Children of Dune" soundtrack. As you can hear in the trailer, the original version of "War Begins" from my 2003 CD is used - but also the company "Two Steps From Hell" recorded an extension of my piece "War Begins" to fill the length of the trailer which was edited together with my original cue. That re-recorded part was done last year which, obviously, was 5 years after I originally recorded the piece for "Children of Dune."
So there you have Brian's view on the matter. I really appreciate ScoreKeeper reaching out to him. Hopefully, this note will resolve some online confusion regarding where the music in TREK trailer #2 came from (see the Two Steps statement below for further details). In the interest of equal opportunity and fair play, we reached out to Two Steps from Hell asking why Tyler isn't credited on their site. We received this reply from Nick Phoenix - one of the company's composers/overlords.
Brian Tyler is supposed to also be credited on our site. It should be fixed now. Star Trek Trailer #2 features "War Begins" by Brian Tyler and "Down With The Enterprise" by Two Steps From Hell. "Down With The Enterprise" is a new arrangement of "War Begins", but does contain a new section of music not based on "War Begins". which was used heavily in the trailer. -Nick
As of this article's publication, the oversight has not been corrected on Two Steps' site. So, for all of those who've been wondering what happened to the original Tyler/TREK article - why it was disappeared, etc. - this is what went down. The issue wasn't as simple as my apologizing for fingering the wrong TREK trailer - the matter morphed into a very different (and somewhat unrelated) issue: 1) we had to allow time for the dust from this crediting issue to settle before following up on our initial posting - lest we credit the wrong people for the wrong reasons, etc,. 2) We had to round up statements from Brian and Nick. 3) Deal with public confusion re: the origin of the piece... 4) Etc. So, to summarize... 1) In the original article, I erroneously specified Tyler's music appeared in the third TREK trailer. Brian's music actually appears in the second TREK trailer. 2) Some of the music used in the second trailer is reworked from a Brian Tyler track called "War Begins" from the soundtrack of the CHILDREN OF DUNE miniseries. Other music is also used in that trailer. 3) When online, if you run across any embeds of "Down With The Enterprise" credited to Two Steps from Hell (one embed shows an orchestra performing the piece) - realize the music is not exclusively a Two Steps composition & utilizes rearranged music composed by Brian Tyler. 4) If you believed "Down With The Enterprise" was exclusively a Two Steps composition, this is likely because of (what is presumably) a clerical error on the Two Steps website; said error omitted Tyler's credit. When TREK fans/score fans went to check the Two Steps site - misunderstanding erupted. In theory, the crediting issue on the Two Steps site should be corrected shortly. **WHEW** I think this makes sense. I hope this makes sense. Strange how such a simple matter can transform into such a wicked, bitchy hydra. Which brings us back to where we started: There's an interesting audio interview with Brian Tyler online over at ScoreNotes. In the piece, Tyler discusses how the new TREK movie was temp tracked with his CHILDREN OF DUNE score, the surprisingly adult nature of the new FAST & FURIOUS movie, and how BATTLE: LOS ANGELES may be the most bad ass alien invasion film ever. Hear it all at...

www.scorenotes.com!!!


I have a headache.

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  • March 25, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    First

    by panicdawg

    ... and this seems like a clusterfuck...

  • March 25, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Dammit, foiled again.

    by panicdawg

    Oh well.

  • March 25, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    So....what?

    by Sardonic

    How does any of this matter?

  • March 25, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    whos on first?

    by Groothewarrior

    whats on second? i dunnos on third?

  • March 25, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Who cares

    by Jodet

    It's just a trailer.

  • March 25, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    I don't get it

    by Vern

    I'm gonna go ahead and never think about it again.

  • March 25, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    So was that Giacchino on the Third Trailer?

    by DKT

    Because that shit was killer-kahn.

  • I thought it was brilliant, and added a lot to my putting the film in a "must see" brain cell file, from the "wait for the DVD" brain cell where it has now returned. I wish I could afford to assign another cell for "order from On Demand", but I have precious few brain cells as it is.

  • March 25, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I think we are back to Buffy music

    by brianis425

    I believe that we have returned to where we started that the music is repurposed from the finale of Buffy. Who knows....

  • March 25, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    This is too funny

    by God's Brother

    God, what a website. What. A. Website.

  • March 25, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Dude, half my lunch hour went into reading this!

    by YackBacker

    I need to get out more.

  • March 25, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I'm sure that

    by twisted_lullaby

    could've been worded/structured better. Head ache indeed.

  • March 25, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Want to hear Giacchino's Star Trek Score?

    by Admiral Nelson

    Or at least a small piece of it? Then go to www.startrekmovie.com, and click on "Enter the Site." The music that plays under this page is supposedly a Giacchino theme that recurs throughout the film, according to sources at Film Score Monthly. (And note: NONE of the trailers released so far feature Giacchino's music.)

  • March 25, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Third Trailer music

    by Rogue16

    Great for the second trailer...WHAT ABOUT THE THIRD... anyone know what music that is?

  • March 25, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    The wallace

    by THE WALLACE

    When a nerd says this about a bunch of nerds.... take heed--- this was fucking sad. Anyone bitching and moaning and e-mailing Merrick... you are a fucking nerd.

  • March 25, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Well whatever they used...

    by DC Films

    ...in the final full trailer is great - if it's not from the movie, then maybe that's a great pity.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    In fairness to Two Steps From Hell...

    by captaincurse

    ... when I went looking for the music off trailer 2 when it was first released - I found a forum with a post from that guy Nick - who said it was based on Tyler's work.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Do we actually get to EVER hear a Trek theme?

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    And I don't mean the bit of the Courage theme at the end. Why not a bit of the full orchestral arrangement of the theme by Giacchino playing DURING the goddamn trailers??

  • March 25, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    uh-do-WHUT?

    by zom-bot.com

    that's why music in TRAILERS isn't newsworthy to begin with. everybody know they pull all kinds of stock emotional music in trailers that end up having to tie with the movie. B F D

  • March 25, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    60's Fight theme

    by Mr_Fancy_Pants

    Repurpose that for the next trailer. Actually just play it constantly through the whole film.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Went to the Star Trek site...

    by seanny_d

    That music is clearly Giacchino. And I really love it. I can't wait for the movie.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    MERRICK-Who sent the bitchy emails?

    by DoctorWho?

    Seems like a lot of minutae to get too pissed off about...unless it was effecting someone getting paid.<p> Just like to know who has the atttude , you know. I'm sure only the people involved truly give a shit about something SO insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    @DKT and Rogue16

    by beatowner

    The music in the third trailer is also Two Steps From Hell. The cue is called Freedom Fighters.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Thanks to beatowner!!!!!

    by Rogue16

    now if I can just find the mp3 ;-)

  • March 25, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    WHO. GIVES. A. SHIT?

    by one_guy_from_andromeda

  • March 25, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    I must have missed the original article...

    by Rhuragh

    But yes, Tyler's music from Children of Dune is definitely used in one of the Trek trailers. I don't know which one. Does it matter? Anyway, it is blatantly obvious to anyone who actually has, you know, EARS that it is Tyler's music. The people who claimed it wasn't Tyler's music are likely die hard Lost fanatics throwing themselves on the wire for their beloved Giacchino. They're also fucking idiots, which strangely enough has a large correlation with the Lost fan base.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Freedom Fighters

    by MaxThrust

    Once and for all, the music from the third trailer is: "Freedom Fighters (Choir)" by Niles Iver (Two Steps From Hell". It's available on their LEGEND album. You can find it from reputable sources i.e. buy it, or use Soulseek.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Why were the talbacks deleted?

    by Light_Tweaker

    This "debacle" is totally ridiculous.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I'm not that fast, and I knew...

    by GaiustheBrave

    it was a composition from "Children of Dune." It's been used before, I think I remember, and it will be used again. Welcome to the Golden Path, my friends.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    COOL STORY JEOPARDY TEEN!

    by KinoEscalate

  • March 25, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Yes, the 3rd trailer's music is "Freedom Fighters (Choir)"

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Just as MaxThrust has already stated, let their br no more confusion. The music from the third trailer is "Freedom Fighters (Choir) "From the custom trailer music outfit Two Steps From Hell, off of their promo album Legend. "Down With The Enterprise" (the embellished reorchestration of Brian Tyler's COD "War Begins" from the 2nd trailer) is on the second disc of the 2cd promo version of the Legend album from Two Steps From Hell. None of this music is available for purchase thus far, although plans are apparently underway for a compilation of Two Steps From Hell custom trailer music to have a commercial realise sometime in the future. Now please let the speculation end, there is no Buffy music, or Giacchino score used on the trailers.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Wow, Rhuragh.

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Is it that e-time of the month for you?

  • March 25, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Funny thing is, Brian Tyler isn't all that great

    by Rickey Henderson

    The Children of Dune soundtrack has got to be the most overrated musical score ever. It's the same basic theme repeated over and over. Can we stop paying lip service to this already? Whoever the composer was who did the score to the third trailer was pretty good however. Was it Giacchino? Or Jablonsky? (that would be funny).

  • March 25, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Here's What Matters...

    by IKnowStuff

    Brian Tyler and Two Steps From Hell both got paid lots of money for their music (TSFH obviously got paid more, as they have music in both trailers.) So it doesn't matter if TSFH's website indicates the proper composer, because the folks over at Paramount know what's up, the composers have been paid, and everything is under control. And likely the only people who will be able to afford licensing the track will be a major studio, and Nick [Phoenix] is not going to take credit for the writing the cue, when someone expresses interest in licensing the track. When I was originally curious about the article, it was not about trailer 2 or trailer 3, it was if JJ actually approached Tyler to come up with a new score for Star Trek - which is not the case at all. Issue settled.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Oh, the irony

    by Lloytron

    Seems like such a lot of effort to cover what was essentially a simple mistake that nobody cared about<p>Why don't you guys go to the same lengths when you gush about movies that turn out to be total stinkers?!

  • March 25, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Wicked, bitchy hydra

    by El Mamerro

    It wasn't in WATCHMEN.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Lloytron

    by snomusic

    If ya check out the Astro Boy talkback you'll see just how important this was to D. Vader.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    no one seems to ever notice

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    how many cues on children of dune were in my mind probably temp tracked with zimmer's gladiator score. there's some good stuff on there, but when it comes to epic score with non western instrumentation, Bear McReary is the shit. None of his stuff sounds temp tracked ever.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Christ Merrick, who gave you the keys to the site? On an unrelated note, those Army Ants with the orange and blue teams and the guts you could take off them, those were as cool as Battle Beasts. Well, I might give the Beasts an extra point for articulation, but the ants had their charm.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    yeah, i still don't understand the fuss

    by newc0253

    okay, so the original article raised some attribution issues. so what?<p> couldn't the talkback have continued and the article updated once the new info came to light? why was it necessary to keep the article up in its mutilated form?<p>

  • March 25, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    AICN:

    by Newtie

    It's best not to dwell on such minutiae

  • March 25, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Also,

    by Rickey Henderson

    In Rickey's opinion, posts like this only serve to further marginalize AICN. You think the public at large or rest of the film industry gives a damn about which B-list composer did a 30 second score for a movie trailer? They do not. No one does. It seems to Rickey like the only purpose of recanting this story is to highlight the minor connections AICN has left in the film industry. You want to impress Rickey? Come up with a decent scoop.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Now fix AIG!

    by ShogunMaster

    And tell Obama how to fix the economy! <p> I can't believe you guys spent that much effort to credit some musician for a movie trailers' theme music. If you could put half of that energy into the economy, we'll all be millionaires by 2010!

  • March 25, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Why not use Star Trek music?

    by wilbur gray

    Paramount has a library of Star Trek music to choose from,and they use Tyler's Dune music in the trailer?I remember seeing the Undiscovered Country teaser with Goldsmith's Lt.Ilia theme from ST:TMP accompanying the visuals.Goldsmith's music wasn't in the final film,but it worked because fans recognized it and became stoked for another chapter.Reminds me of last summer when the first Crystal Skull trailer came out with music from none of the previous fims,except the Raiders march at the end.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Soooo... why did you delete our post histories again?

    by D.Vader

    I still don't understand why someone felt the need to pretty much ban some of the talkbacker's post histories (from every talkback ever) on this site, when nothing anyone had said was hostile, insulting, or full of curse words. <p> That said, this incident has become one of the most interesting AICN scoops/stories in MONTHS.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    This spins my head Right Round...

    by NoHubris

    ... (not in the way Flo Rida is talking 'bout) but I get it now.<p>In an industry where credits mean everything, such clarification IS important.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    The music in the third trailer was NOT Giacchino

    by D.Vader

    Good God, its a riff on the Batman Begins theme.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    BUT THEN WHO WAS PHONE?

    by dr sauch

  • March 25, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Yes but WHO did the music for the Paul Blart trailer??

    by Iron-kong

    I must know!

  • March 25, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    merrick dude all due respect

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    but take a high school journalism class. a retraction apology and correction is all that needed. we don't need to know your inner workings. especially when they're this pedantic. i know you mean well but seriously you have yet to find a personal voice on this site and you often do strange things like this. like the post about your son.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Wow. Who cares?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Anyone?

  • March 25, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I can simplify this whole thing

    by Geekgasm

    by saying "Who cares about Star Trek?" Thank you.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Seriously- who gives a fuck?

    by Rubiks Doob

    This is the least cool news ever...

  • March 25, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Justice at last....

    by Laya Maheshwari

    To humbly put it forth, I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO NOTICE AND REPORT!!!!!!!!!

  • March 25, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Oh, also - My favorite Brian Tyler track?

    by Geekgasm

    Gotta be "Total Eclipse of the Heart".

  • March 25, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    u might not care

    by ominus

    but the creators of film music do care. remember when Tyler Bates plagiarized the music of Elliot Goldenthal's Titus for his 300 ost? <p>he got trialled and reached an agreement with the original creator . <p>and frankly we should care,because i hate praising someone for someone elses work (yeah zack the hack snyder,i am referring to you)

  • March 25, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    AICN, How about an apology to Giacchino

    by darthpigman

    For creepily starting an unnecessary rumor (insinuating that his Star Trek score had been replaced by Brian Tyler) and then letting it bake for two days while you waited to clear up your fuck up.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    People who care about this...

    by D.Vader

    Are the people who really care about film, and by extension of that, film music. <p> BAM

  • March 25, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    What the Hell?!?!

    by BCfreeB

    There was way too much energy spent on this issue. I mean, good job doing your homework, but we don't need the whole ordeal put forward. Just the highlights. Or in this case, it's friggin trailer music, who cares anyway?

  • March 25, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    God I wish Jerry Goldsmith were here to...

    by cameron1975willi

    ...come up with yet another killer score, utilising motifs from his previous Trek work. Giacchino's got his work cut out.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute, why isn't James Horner doing it?

    by cameron1975willi

  • March 25, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Debacle?

    by RobertBaron

    The only people who give a shit about this are Brian Tyler, Two Steps from Hell and maybe some Trekkie who needs to every little detail about every little thing. That's like 7 people. Tops. 3 of them probably have Asperger's too.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Why isn't James Horner doing it?

    by D.Vader

    Because JJ loves working with Giacchino. That'd be like asking why Brian Tyler wasn't doing Spielberg's next movie, or why Tyler Bates wasn't doing Tim Burton's next.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    After reading some of the negative comments here...

    by D.Vader

    I've come to the conclusion there are a lot of non-film-fans here at this site.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Whats "Children of Dune"?

    by The8thSamurai

    Is that a Thunderdome reference?

  • March 25, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    DON'T GO TO THE OFFICIAL STAR TREK WEBSITE

    by K00m0

    On the right side of my screen, my PC happened to tune into a dorm room videocam of two busty hotties laying beside each other and giggling, juggling. I'M TRYING TO TALK TO THEM NOW. DO NOT MESS THIS UP.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    hey BCfreeB

    by IKnowStuff

    Fuck you. This is my fucking job. What do you do for a living that's so fucking awesome?

  • March 25, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Why doesn't Abrams get some dude with a trumpet

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    to provide the music?<br> As he's fucking Star Trek up the ass with everything else he's doing.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    What Happened To AICN?

    by MANNZILLA

    Make no mistake I LOVE THIS SITE. Ive been coming here daily for years. But what happened to all the cool news?

  • March 25, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit?

    by thepentaveret

    It's a flippin trailer. Yawn.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    "Who cares about trailer music?"

    by D.Vader

    Uhhh, lots of people do. The same way they care about film music.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Seriously the apology you owe is to Giacchino

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    the way you handled this, i didnt see the origial article just the headline and then the missing article. so i assumed it implied that tyler was working on the actual score for the film. no one gives a fuck who scored the trailer. hell for all i know that trailer was scored with danger zone from fucking top gun. seemed like it sorta.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    We check and recheck and check our facts

    by lockesbrokenleg

    again.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Why did I have to read this long article?

    by The Eskimo

    1. Merrick screwed up an article. 2. In the course of fixing his mistake, it became apparent that there was a dispute over who wrote the music. 3. The article was pulled until AICN could figure it out. 4. Turns out, both composers had a hand in the music, and neither credited the other for their part. 5. Now it is fixed. The end.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    And on a similar note...

    by The Eskimo

    ...I'm curious as to why Brian Tyler didn't mention Two Steps involvment in the original article. It seems like it would have been the natural thing to do in the context of the discussion. There is something more going on here. I'm going to check the Two Steps site to see if they really "fixed" their "mistake." Be right back.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Nope...

    by The Eskimo

    No changes. I wonder if there was some dispute over rights, money etc that caused some bad blood between the two. Seems like neither party wants to recognize the other's involvment unless thier hand is forced, ans with Scorekeepers phone call inquiry.

  • March 25, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    This article...

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    ...is absolutely insane. Deeply crazy.

  • March 25, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Great reporting job....

    by Executor

    Too many times AICN is labeled as just a "gossip" or "cool news" site, and people lose sight of the fact that the main contributors are intelligent journalists who do a great job in their reportage and interviews. Thanks.

  • March 25, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    This wasn't the comedy you intended to do tonight right?

    by Smashing

    What on Earth does all the above mean? is someone on crack?

  • March 25, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Thge sarcasm from above...

    by The Eskimo

    ...is dripping all over my post!

  • March 25, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    @D.Vader

    by BLEST

    Post history was deleted because people were taking potshots at Star Trek Returns, and Harry and Co. are ultra JJ fanboys.

  • March 25, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    But that doesn't make sense BLEST

    by D.Vader

    Because I and others did no such thing. (I know you're trying to make a point). Your post didn't get deleted did it?

  • March 25, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    I'm still figuring out who did the music for the teaser...

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • March 25, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Well, at least it's not that cunt Tyler Bates.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    If "Watchmen" had a decent composer and at least two seconds of good and memorable music, maybe it wouldn't have tanked so badly.

  • March 25, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by BLEST

    Nah, I know. I just wanted to get a jab in. But yeah, my post was deleted. The whole dang TB for that story was shut down.

  • March 25, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    D Vader

    by Lloytron

    Fair enough, I guess some folks do give a toss about this sort of thing. Personally I don't, I just care about the finished article. it doesn't mean that I'm not a film fan because I don't care to have an encyclopedic knowledge of what the make up artists do in their spare time. Anyway that's beside the point.<p>The point is, this is a minor issue and if anything was posted it should jus thave been a retraction.<p>To me this site makes far bigger mistakes when it gives glowing reviews to films that don't deserve it. Where are the retractions for the articles that encourage people to waste their money on bad movies?!

  • March 25, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I agree with you Lloytron

    by D.Vader

    I think the article could definitely use some tightening up, and I think the best course of action would have just been to keep the Talkback and erase the story leaving it with an "Will be Updated Soon" message (since leaving the story up until an update wouldn't suffice, not knowing when they'd get the info they required). <p> My main interest was why people had their histories erased, but its always good to get the correct information on trailer music (makes it easier to download that way). <p> And PS, you'll NEVER find retractions like that. Actually, I don't think you'll ever find a retraction from Harry, period.

  • March 25, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    what was the middle part again?

    by BadMrWonka

    linguini, fettucine, spaghetti!

  • March 25, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Thank Christ THAT'S cleared up.

    by Clavius

    Because, you know, I totally couldn't sleep anymore until I knew who the proper credit belonged to for a fucking TEMP TRACK in a MOVIE TRAILER.<br> <br>Now I can get on with my life again. Huzzah!

  • March 25, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    For ALL Giacchino fans out there...

    by wtriker1701

    Get LOST!!! <p> Somebody had to to say it!

  • March 25, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Entire histories being deleted

    by snomusic

    While that's an irritant I suppose, how long did you want it up? Had you planned to share the links to some particularly heated posted with your grandchildren when they came of age?<p>Seriously, the anger and bile that is spewed on this site, particularly about how the site has gone to pot is hilarious because, #1 - why do the haters return and #2, as many posts that come up, I can only assume the posters are disabled and just sit there hitting refresh all day until they get a response or no one has told them they can change their home page and there are lots of web pages out there... <p>AICN - For people who love movies and hate people.

  • March 25, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Aint It Spectacularly Boring Incorrect News

    by quantize

    i got half way through that and gave up

  • March 25, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    SnoCone

    by D.Vader

    No,its irritation over the fact that I had TB conversations going on in other TB's and suddenly all my posts were deleted without good reason, leaving those conversations looking a bit empty and confusing. On top of that it just feels a bit insulting when your stuff gets deleted but you see the offensive, childish, immature, rude, etc. shit that other people get away with on this site continue.

  • March 25, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Meant Snomusic

    by D.Vader

    My mistake =)

  • March 25, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    My life can begin again knowing that all is well......

    by Gabba-UK

    ... I mean this whole debacle has kept me from doing the other things which my life revolves around, like rearranging my sock drawer! I can't begin to tell you the lost amount of nanoseconds of sleep I've lost from the worry....

  • March 25, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    D.Vader - I feel ya man.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Yeah, same thing happened to me back in the day, in another life. Completely wiped from existence on AICN. Believe it or not, it was for being polite! Can't prove it seeing as how it's all been deleted now. "Someone" was harboring much resentment for certain truths that had exposed them months earlier, and bided their time until they could manufacture a reason. Said person, actually dug up the months prior old post, reposted it, called me a hypocrate for trying to be civil, and faintly threatened me with expulsion if I said another word. I went on to actually apologise because the previous post in question was done in a mock vulgar fashion sarcastically parodying it's intended targets juvenile and obscene jornalistic methods. I don't think I need to say who it was, you can probably guess. But his activity was totally bogus, and very frustrating at the time, especially because reregestration wasn't possible for a good long time afterwards. I've just recently started back up here, so I'm not gonna pick a fight I can't win by saying more specifics on what power mad writer is running amuck at AICN with a wicked case of inferiority complex and a delete happy finger. I mean I'd just get banned at some random future date for no reason. I think anyone who reads this site on a regular basis knows the swine in question. So yeah, I know what you're saying. And for the record: "Boo Hoo!"

  • March 25, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Brian Tyler rocked on Bubba Ho-Tep!

    by Amy Chasing

    Bubba Ho-Tep wouldn't have been as good otherwise.

  • March 25, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by snomusic

    Thanks for the clarification and correction as well - yer alright in my book. But unlike Stuntman Mike, I have no book.

  • March 25, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    true that was an incredibly long post almost about nothing.

    by TheDark0Knight

    Im glad though that you explained everything...I was curious as to why it was taken down.

  • March 25, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    to be honest I dont understand any of what I just read haha

    by TheDark0Knight

    what trailer is the one with the most epic fucking music Ive ever heard?

  • March 25, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    and who composed it?

    by TheDark0Knight

  • March 25, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    So which one had the Giant Robot in it-?

    by Sal_Bando

    --I kinda missed that in the above article-

  • March 25, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Oh dear, AICN. Oh Dear indeed

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    This post felt like one of the final nails in your coffin. <p>

  • March 25, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Yes, yes, but.....

    by wackybantha

    .....what does all this have to do with Megan Fox?!? She is sooo hot!!

  • March 25, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Okay, wait, um, so...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Some dickheads send abusive messages about how you credited some dude with writing a score, that they claimed was written by two other dudes. But it turns out the two other dudes actually forgot to credit the first dude in using his score. Which would make the original dudes complaining about the first dude giant fuckheads.

  • March 25, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Thank fucking God this was cleared up

    by MattmanReturns

    I was losing sleep.

  • March 25, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    SLOW TIMES

    by Vitter

    FOR SLOW NEWS

  • March 25, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Errr

    by jdb1972

    If only AICN was as anal-retentive about, you know, things that matter. You know, not accepting pwesents and the like.

  • March 25, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Genteel_Gentile

    by D.Vader

    Are you Octagon_Proplex?!?

  • March 25, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Can we just encase this whole debacle in amber so we can refer to it, unvarnished, throughout the eons? There's just something spectacularly fucking stupid about the whole thing. Merrick distilled, if you'd like.

  • March 25, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    ATT: Executor

    by whitty

    Executor wrote:<i> "people lose sight of the fact that the main contributors are intelligent journalists who do a great job in their reportage and interviews."</i><br /><br /> Are you serious, man?? There is NOTHING whatsoever about AICN that is even remotely journalistic.

  • March 25, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    In the Immortal Words of Artie Lange

    by NumbNutz

    This was a very interesting post. I think we should continue a detailed discussion of the various issues raised in an hour-long presentation to be aired on the WHO GIVES A SHIT CHANNEL!

  • March 25, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Did they mark up the score

    by MrDexter

    with a Sharpie-brand marker or was a generic marker used and people are just assuming that it was a Sharpie-brand marker. Take down all posts related to this matter until this issue is cleared up by the people who marked up the sheet music and Newell Rubbermaid / Sandford Brands, the makers of Sharpie-brand permanent markers

  • March 25, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Snomusic, you're allright in my book too

    by D.Vader

    Thanks =).

  • March 25, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Are we discussing "Fucking A Fat Chick"?

    by BurnHollywood

    That's that incredibly powerful piece of music in the TREK trailer that perfectly depicts such a dilemma...<p> At first you're thinking "Holy crap, she's 300 lbs...NO ONE can do this! It would take at least two guys..."<p> But THEN...you start to get the hang of it...it's all in the rhythm...it's working...IT'S WORKING!<p> IT'S ALMOST DONE! The choir powerfully kicks in...YOU'RE ALMOST THERE! Yes! You've done it...YOU'VE DONE IT! You've fucked a fat chick!<p> You're a hero, now, farmboy.

  • March 25, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    This article is so unnecessary.

    by Toilet_Terror

    It's just a trailer.

  • March 26, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    what Vern said

    by The Amazing G

  • March 26, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Aint it no news.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Move along, people. Nothing to see here...

  • March 26, 2009, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Majority of Tyler's score for RAMBO was credited to him...

    by Monkey_King

    but 85% of the score was Goldsmith music or cues from Goldsmith's FIRST BLOOD and RAMBO 2 scores, yet Tyler almost got full credit for Goldsmith-cued pieces.

  • March 26, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST

    join richpassion.com to meet a sexy&hot girl or a wealthy guy f

    by iamalice1

    join richpassion.com to meet a sexy&hot girl or a wealthy guy for love or for fun!

  • March 26, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck?

    by Dragon Man

    Seriously, this is important to who? And why?

  • March 26, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Summon the Ban-Hammer for iamalice1

    by Amy Chasing

    for obvious reasons

  • March 26, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST

    actually

    by wumper

    the music in the 3rd trailer has many similar tunes to Hans Zimmer's track "Journey to the Line" from the Thin Red Line. But I'm sure they've pulled cues from everywhere, like everyone else has said before me.

  • March 26, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    FUCK YOU Two Steps From Hell !!

    by DoctorWho?

    Self Important Twats!

  • March 26, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    I find it funny

    by Tom_Bombadil

    All of this talk about the music in a Star trek movie trailer is too funny. I listened to the music on Two Steps From Hell and the War Begins from Children of Dune. I could hear the similarities in the War Begins and the Star Trek trailer. Didn't hear the similarities in the featured music on Devil Wears Nada though. Someone made a comment about the music sounding similar to Batman Begins and I would say part of it sounds similar but it varies from it slightly. I am looking forward to this new Trek movie.

  • March 26, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Sheep Assholes

    by IKnowStuff

    Man, there are some serious sheep assholes on this site. Get your own identity people - stop recycling the same shit that was posted by the last person. You know, nobody will judge you if you do actually care. Not just about this Tyler/Trek issue, but about life in general. Nobody will judge you if you care.

  • March 26, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Know what'll be cool?

    by EverythingEverywhereStinks

    Five to seven years from now, this whole "Brian Tyler's JJ Abrams' Star Trek Trailer #2 Temp Score: The Movie!" will be reimagined by whoever the current hot and trendy, no talent Hollywood golden boy will be, and we'll forget just how stupid and fake looking this current dust up over the temp score is. When it gets reimagined, we'll all be asking ourselves why we cared about it now. Remember, it won't be your daddy's Temp Score for the trailer when they reimagine it! I just hope Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman are the writers so there's a TON of continuity!

  • March 26, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    by ron d moore.

    by alice 13

    cant wait to see the thing reboot/remake/prequel that hes done.

  • March 26, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Oh For Fuck's Sake

    by Grayskull

    Was this really worth writing a long-winded article about? Noooo...

  • March 26, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Is it really that hard...

    by BendersShinyAss

    ...for a multi million dollar film to record some original score. <p> Trek has over 30 years of music to temp to it's films. Magical Scores written by James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith, Leonard Rosenman (fuck didn't that one stink of shit) Cliff Eidelman (Who the fuck are you man?) and even Alexander courage's original trek theme. This is an original trek movie, isn't it? <p> Is it possible to call this trek an 'original' film? boggles the mind. <p> I love star ships. & planes too.

  • March 26, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Wow man, your intuition and memory serves you well! Let's keep it down though, I wouldn't want certain grudge minded entities alerted. But woh, seriously how'd you do that? You're freakin' me out right now.

  • March 26, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Genteel Gentile

    by BendersShinyAss

    I remember that. At least, the one im thinking of involved Mori. Even that poor bastard couldn't take this shit anymore. <p> I don't even know why I'm here now to be perfectly honest. glutten for punishment i guess. <p> come to think of it... there's been a few posters ive seen get banned after touching a nerve with AICN personel. <p> D.vader I know what you mean by whole conversations being destroyed. the Ringbearer saga was unreadable after that fucker was banned. He's still here. I can feel him ....

  • March 26, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Genteel and Bender

    by D.Vader

    Well Genteel, I'll try and keep it on the downlow, but I was part of that talkback too, and I didn't say anything insulting either. And I was banned as well! I came back the next morning to see if said editor and you kept at it, and I realized your posts had disappeared. Then I realized mine had too. I got pissed, emailed said editor, and he said he didn't ban us but basically "tough shit" and that we deserved it. <p> So I emailed Moriarty instead and after a few weeks he got back to me and reinstated my TB handle. But at the time, I was pissed bc I couldn't re-register either. <p> But I saved that entire debacle bc I was railing against said editor on another site because of it. And I made sure to mention how you didn't so anything wrong, yet the editor brought up some comments you had made months ago like he was holding a grudge.<p> And Bender, I vaguely remember the Ringbearer saga. Could you help refresh my memory?

  • March 26, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Banning

    by Toonol

    I've never seen anybody banned from aicn that didn't make the place better by their absence. I'm sure you all felt unjustly put upon; but it's EASY to not get banned. Just don't act nuts. Most of us never do, and it works fine.

  • March 26, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Toonol

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    I wish you could have read it man, I was being totally "geneel" and "gentile" (as opposed to the oposite of those things). If it all weren't erased, I'd say look it up and tell me I wasn't one of the more polite guys, willing to fully explain myself in civil discourse. In this case the editor was the one acting "nuts".

  • March 26, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah Toonol

    by D.Vader

    It was the editor who lost his shit. Trust me. Everything Gentile did was spot on civility.

  • March 26, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Oh man, it's all coming back to me now! You came on and said it was pretty crazy for the editor to bring up some stuff from months prior and threaten to drop the big ban or something, and then editor said something like "Yeah, D. Vader, that's exactly how I put it!" or something. I go on to even apologise to the editor and try to explain why I had made such a remark and that I felt it was indead too harsh and that I took no pride in it. Next thing I know you, me and another guy were all deleted. Crazy, I totally remember you coming to my defense, so thanks man. Sorry you took some of the shrapnel from a bomb meant for me, that really is messed up. I recall e-mailing Harry asking if someone could review that situation, but I never got a response one way or another. Ah well...good times!

  • March 27, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST

    I like When Merrick fucks up

    by Nobody_Touches_Buddy_Revell

    his fucking stories aren't typed in big bright red unreadable fonts.

  • March 27, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Trailer Music

    by Klaatu2012

    Nobody cares. The 3rd trailer music was great, and if the music on the Official Site is Giacchino, then it's bad. Top heavy, no bass, just the the cheerleader crap at the end of Cloverfield.

  • March 27, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Original music

    by Zath_ras

    I was thinking of writing an original score by taking John Williams' "Superman" score, adding a few tom toms and islamic voices. I would then call it something edgy and satirical like "Bite it, Krypton!"

  • March 27, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Genteel Gentile

    by D.Vader

    Yeah that was me. I was defending you bc you asked if someone's post had been deleted, and the editor said basically "yes it had" and that if you disagreed with him you were fucked in the head. <p> After some back and forth between you two, he said you'd be wise to move along- which I perceived as a threat- is there any other way to interpret that statement? So yeah, I said "oh no, here comes to ban hammer," which then prompted the response you quoted up there. <p> I still don't understand why I was deleted, but in the email, said editor said we all deserved it- me especially bc I was getting involved in something about whose history I knew nothing about? Or some bullshit like that. It was all pretty stupid. As you said, you were polite the entire time. It was the editor who was holding a grudge due to an (angry) post you made MONTHS before. <p> I'm sorry you didn't get a response. You should have tried Mori. <p> When I saw you and I were banned, I assumed you must have said something wrong, but I'm sure you didn't. That editor just had an itchy trigger finger.

  • March 27, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Oh and Genteel

    by D.Vader

    Someone else got banned from that TB?

  • March 27, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    It was the censoring of "Harry Bolzonnia" that triggered the whole thing. I'm not sure now if it was just one post that was deleated or if he got banned also. As I recall he said something like: "I almost wish it would have been Lucas rather than Winston", implying that because Winston still had digity and cared about making quality work instead of exploiting and patronizing the memories and good will of children of the 70's and 80's for purly monetary gain, it made it all the more heartbreaking. Because Winston still respected the art and the fans. At least that's what I understood it to mean, but he was immidiately deleated. When I asked what had just happened (?), "editor" said the guy had wished death on Lucas and anybody that thinks that's okay is "fucked in the head". I replyed that that was a fairley harsh response toward my question, that I don't think that was the point of the post, and that even if it were - why would it be forbidden to say such a thing when people have made their entire reputation on AICN for wishing death and forced sodemy on Michael Bay (why were they never censored? I thought it was a legitimite question.)? The "Editor" then called me a hypocrate and out of no where brang up some out of context rude quote from months prior, that was actually lampooning said "Editors" own vularous slander, and made a vage threat that I should basically not say another word. No yeah, I did the only thing I could do, which was apolgise to the "editor", not out of fear but because he obviously took it to heart and had been offended (I take no pride in making another person feel bad, that's really not my style at all and either was that rude post). And that was the last that I addressed him. There where some other instigators trying to fan the flames but I told them in no uncertain terms that I would not be a party to that and that as far as I was concerned any beef between the two of us had been squashed. I remenmber you where the only hero to emerge and say hold on this guy's not persuing anything, why is being threatened with the "ban hammer". Thanks again for being an advocate when others were clearly salavating for blood. You were the lone person to have enough backbone and integrity to see the situation with clear eyes and ask why, instead of trying to pile on and goat some kind of war of words. So thanks again, I really do appreciate that noble act. Then, all of a sudden I refresh the page and I'm a ghost.

  • March 27, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    (that's "vagUe" threat and "pUrsuing anything")

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Tiny boxes are not my preferred method, not that spelling is my forte anyway. Oh but for the availability of an edit function, people might be persuaded to believe I was half way intellegent. Ah well, that boat has sailed and the truth is out now.

  • March 27, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    "lampooning said "Editors" own vulGarous slander"

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Man, I gotta start typing this crap out on a notepad first, and reading through it so it makes a tiny bit of sense! Sorry D.Vader, for making you read through such incomprehensible rubish. The sentiments are sound though (I hope).

  • March 27, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Oh fudge-pickles man! I give up D.Vader!

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Turns out "vulgarous" isn't even a word! Let's just say vulgar and leave it there. God, I quit man. Sincerly!<p> "I need a vEEcation!" - Detective John Kimmel

  • March 28, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    I don't know about all this, but...

    by SebastianHaff

    Brian Tyler fucking rocks. His song 'All is Well' from the Bubba Ho-Tep soundtrack literally makes me cry like a little girl. He should be scoring much, much higher profile films in my opinion.