Animation and Anime

Hayao Miyazaki's Ponyo Scheduled to Hit American Theaters

Published at: March 24, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST by scottgreen

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Animation World Network reports that Disney Pictures has announced that Hayao Miyazaki's latest film, Ponyo (on a Cliff by the Sea) will hit American theaters on August 14th, 2009. Noah Cyrus will voice the goldfish who wants to be a human and Frankie Jonas will be her human friend Sosuke while other cast members include Cate Blanchett, Matt Damon, Tina Fey, Cloris Leachman, Liam Neeson, Lily Tomlin and Betty White. Film Jerk recently reported that Ponyo would open on 750 plus locations in second quarter 2009. In January, Variety reported that John Pixar's Lasseter was working with Frank Marshall and Kathleen Kennedy to make Hayao Miyazaki/Ghibli's Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea "the studio's biggest hit ever Stateside." According to the piece, Ghibli has been frustrated that their films have only found a niche audience about anime fans and arthouse goers. From the Variety piece: The goal is to boost both the number of screens and the box office take beyond Ghibli's record for a U.S. release set by "Spirited Away," the Miyazaki toon that earned a little more than $10 million on 714 screens in 2002 and 2003. For watchers of Miyazaki's home base, Ghibli, the studio is preparing to work on Isao Takahata's (Grave of the Fireflies, Pom Poko) first film since 1999's My Neighbors the Yamadas. Miyazaki is also preparing another animated film. See more anime news in the latest AICN Anime column.

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  • March 24, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    First

    by ECUPirate71

    oh my

  • March 24, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I thought Miyazaki was retiring?

    by D.Vader

    Thank God it seems that's not true.

  • March 24, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I almost forgot

    by ECUPirate71

    Fuck all of those first losers. Get a life.

  • March 24, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I almost forgot

    by ECUPirate71

    Fuck all of those first losers. Get a life.

  • March 24, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Nice...

    by Wungolioth

    It releases the day after my daughter's 15th birthday, and she's a big Miyazaki fan. I hope it goes to enough screens that she can finally see a Miyazaki film in the theater.

  • March 24, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    ECU sucks

    by D.Vader

    I only say that bc of a bad experience with cops in Greenville.

  • March 24, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Scott!!!

    by Dr Eric Vornoff

    You forgot to add an exclamation mark to the headline. I thought that was the house rule. You need at least 3 if you're gonna stand out from the other stories.

  • March 24, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Even though this looks FUCKING RETARDED

    by jimmy_009

    prepare for hundreds of "This looks amazing!" posts from kneejerk Miyazaki fans. He is way overrated and his movies are DULL.

  • March 24, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Miyazaki = GOLD

    by IAmLegolas

    I'm already in line

  • March 24, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Oh Jesus, no..

    by Tarantinoholic

    The two leads are played by Miley Cyrus and The Jonas Brothers' younger, less-famous brothers, (dis)respectively. What the fuck, Lasseter?! Have some respect!

  • March 24, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Ugh a Jonas brother? And Miley Cyrus?

    by D.Vader

    He must like Miley after working with her on "Bolt". And I guarantee the Jonas Brother casting was determined by Disney and Lasseter couldn't fight it (whereas he could if it was a Pixar film).

  • March 24, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    what's with the logo?

    by CherryValance

    Anywho, yeah I kinda like these movies but why does everything have to turn into weird shit and like blobs and hot dogs that go back together again or whatever the hell that stuff is? I dunno maybe it'll be good but I can wait. When I went to see 'Spirited Away' I was the only one in the theater. Creepy.

  • March 24, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Yeah, this is why I'm watching PONYO in Japanese

    by Mr. Pricklepants

    Cate Blanchett, Matt Damon, Tina Fey, Cloris Leachman, Liam Neeson, Lily Tomlin and Betty White = No problems there.<br> <br> Noah Cyrus and Frankie Jonas = EPIC FAIL.

  • March 24, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Looks like Little Mermaid meets FLCL

    by ricarleite2

    And that is NOT a good sign

  • March 24, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    FLCL kicks ass

    by D.Vader

    What's wrong with that?

  • March 24, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    August?!? BoooOOOOoooo

    by Daytripper69

    I suppose I should be grateful that a new Miyazaki film is coming out at all. But--- an August release? .... surely they can do better than that? May, June, or July would've been better... school would still be out, and therefore more youngsters would more likely see this. I really don't understand marketing people sometimes.

  • March 24, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Miley Cyrus

    by Toonol

    That's a good thing. She's not a great, but not a bad, voice actress; they were always going to get some 'name' hollywood star. She will help get butts in seats.<p> People with good taste, who aren't scared of foriegn films, will watch Ponyo anyway. However, that's like 1% of their potential audience. They need to get normal kids in the theater.

  • March 24, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Damn I gotta wait til August???

    by samuraiyao

    That's too damn long homie!!!!

  • March 24, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Jimm'

    by TheWaqman

  • March 24, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    This will bomb

    by Jardinier

    Take it from someone who's seen the film. There isn't a lot of tension in this movie and what little of it there is, doesn't work very well. I don't think American audiences can take the meandering nature of PONYO (or European audiences; it's just not something the West is particularly used to). Either expect the dubbed trailers to be very misleading, or expect it to make very little money in the U.S.. And I actually rather liked PONYO, I just don't think it's something that would appeal to mainstream America. Now, CHIHIRO, that was a film that *could* have raked in the bucks if it had been released properly...

  • March 24, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    I can understand...

    by The Eskimo

    ...M Cyrus and one of the Jonas Bros for voiceovers to draw in the teenies...but I will never understand why these films spend gobs of money on big name actors for the voice overs. Maybe someone with a unique voice like Will Smith or Sean Connery...but Kate Blanchett. WTF! Spend it elsewhere...like anyone who wants to see a cartoon movie will know (or if so, care) that Kate Blanchette is in it.

  • March 24, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    Matt Damon also qualifies for above

    by The Eskimo

  • March 24, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    finally

    by T 1000 xp professional

    Miyazaki is always an event

  • March 24, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Pre-release backlash?

    by Steve Young

    You have to come into Ponyo with the right expectations. Don't even go in expecting Spirited Away. It's a much simpler story, told in a way that younger children can follow, but it's filled with the usual Miyazaki touches, the ecological themes, the wild imagination, the overwhelming visuals. Angry anime fans will call it preachy and obvious and simple, but they've forgotten what it's like to be young. Some people seem to resent this film already for not having decapitations. But I'm confused about Studio Ghibli's disappointment about its films' receptions here... despite the English-speaking stars, these movie run completely against the grain of your standard CG-animal blockbuster. What exactly are they expecting in the U.S.? Parents won't know what to make of it.

  • March 24, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    The Eskimo

    by Shigeru

    those voices are purely there to put on the poster or say in the TV commercials... "STARRING... BLAH BLAH BLAH". It's bullshit. <br><br> And yeah a Miyazaki film will never do big business in the states... kids are too addicted to retarded TV and adults will never take animation seriously. <br>Can't wait to see this, though.

  • March 24, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I HATE FUCKING DISNEY FUCKING !

    by Roketopunch

    Why did they have to get Cyrus and one of the anus brothers. Looks like I will have to watch this on DVD for the subbed version.

  • March 24, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Cyrus? Jonas?

    by rookie116

    Disney needs to lay their dirty hands off of Ghilbi. I guess I'll just wait for a subbed version or the dvd..

  • March 24, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Dumped in the no-man's land of August

    by gruntybear

    Why, oh why, am I not surprised?

  • March 24, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I like a good ponyo

    by Squashua

    yep

  • March 24, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I wish Pixar and Studio Ghibli would stay far away from Disney.

    by Delagoya

    They need to run away together to become Disneys' and Dreamworks' competition. Just imagine it: Pixar doing their awesome computer animated features while Studio Ghibli does amazing cel-animated features. They could support each other financially and creatively and come up with some kick ass shit. John Lasseter always said he wanted cel-animated movies to make a comeback. This is how it should be done!

  • March 24, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah....

    by Delagoya

    Fuck Disney, fuck the Cyrus family, and fuck the Jonas family. Fuck them in their asses.

  • March 24, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Thank goodness the DVDs always retain the original voicework

    by photoboy

    I've no idea about the story for this and the main character looks a bit weird but given Miyazaki's track record I can't really complain. I'll definitely be seeing this as soon as possible!

  • March 24, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Decent movie, but not his best.

    by kjl451

    I got to see Ponyo a while back. You can find it if you look hard enough online, with English subs. I thought it was alright, but didn't hold up Miyazaki's last couple of flicks. Definitely more of a kids movie. It was still beautiful to watch, but I don't expect it to have as much of the BO success as Spirited Away.

  • March 24, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    marketing

    by johnnysunshine

    All they Disney really needs to do to get people to go to a Miyazaki movie is to actually market it. The only decent advertising Spirited Away got was when it won the academy award. Considering the fact that about 80% of the cartoons for kids on television seem to be anime these days, I can't understand why the genre should be the mainstream on television, but a niche market in the cinema. There's no logic to there. All they need to do is advertise the release and put it in theaters outside NY and LA and people will go see it.

  • March 24, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Actually Miazaki could use a little Pixar

    by jimmy_009

    He has no fucking clue how to pace a story properly. His good ideas are done in by meandering pacing.

  • March 24, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Sad to say its not so great...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Seems his best is behind him. Not a bad movie or anything, but like Howls, it just seems like merely a pretty good cartoon. Not the masterpiece you'd expect from him.

  • March 24, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Oh, and if you want to see it...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...I bought it from my local chinese DVD store.

  • March 24, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Miley Cyrus was fine in Bolt

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    She gave a nice, sincere vocal performance in that. Look past all the Hannah Montana marketing bullshit for once. And the eventual DVD will have the Japanese vocal track for "purists", so quit whining. Besides, Miyazaki dubs tend to be extremely respectful and good (Christan Bale's Howl voice was better than his Batman voice, dark and sinister while still sounding comprehensible).

  • March 24, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Jimmy / "Meandering"

    by Steve Young

    Your attitude about Miyazaki's plotting, which I find beautifully dream-like and intuitive rather than predictably pedestrian (see most "flashy" CGI kids' movies today) is exactly why I am confused by Disney and Ghibli's expectation of commercial success in the states. Most American audiences are like jimmy; they find the stories meandering or confusing. Spirited Away, as mentioned above, only achieved moderate success after awards season.

  • March 24, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    John Pixar sounds like a cool guy.

    by polyh3dron

    I mean, his Lasseter can TALK!

  • March 24, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    If Princess Mononoke couldn't break through

    by Drath

    then NOTHING worthwhile is going to break the American narrow-mindedness about animated movies. I wish them luck here, but honestly August? Already it's in the dead zone of movie releases. Their only chance would be to release it in the fall as Oscar Bait like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Even then, it's never going to get past a niche here.

  • March 24, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Originally,

    by Unaju

    I was turned off by the looks of this animation but I found it entertaining. Definitely a Little Mermaid story with Miyazaki's environmentalism mixed in. Simple and cute story that will likely turn-off "mechanized anime" fans. As with most Miyazaki's works, it's more about the world he presents than the cool action sequences.

  • March 24, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Steve Young

    by jimmy_009

    there's nothing "confusing" about the plots. If anything they are far too simple and rely on "spirits" to explain everything or fill in for real meaning or purpose. Bad pacing is bad pacing, I don't care what kind of "audience" you are. As for Spirited Away, it's so fucking generic it made me sick. Spoiled girl enters fairy tale land, leaves symbolically grown up. Lot's of "stuff" happens, none of it meaning anything significant other than Miyazaki likes to come up with inventive shit. Did you SEE Howl's Moving Castle? If he'd have spent half the time filling in the plot holes as he did trying to convince us he's so creative the story might have actually made sense. Instead he explains them away with spirits and magic. he's completely overrated, and not because he's "confusing", it's because he's more interested in impressing than he is in telling a proper story.

  • March 24, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Drath

    by jimmy_009

    Not all people that don't appreciate Miazaki are narrow-minded. Some Americans are quite open to new things, they just don't find any real depth or meaning behind his movies. Because I think saving the forest spirits is fucking retarded, that doesn't make me narrow minded, it makes me a grownup that likes well told stories with ACTUAL themes beyond hollow symbolism. I don't care to watch a director jack himself off for three hours (or is that just what his movies feel like). NO I am not trolling, I just get sick of this Miyazaki cult invariably praising whatever shit he comes out with, usually followed by a canning of the stupid Americans that just don't get it.

  • March 24, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by Unaju

    I think the Shinto religion has a great influence on some of Miyazaki's themes. I assume many young Americans would agree with you in that the idea of a "forest spirit is fucking retarded" -- that's not exactly so in the Japanese culture, and that is evident in the success of films like Mononoke amongst the Japanese audience. In the increasingly westernized society of Japan, a story like Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away are very much relevant. And that is why people love them.

  • March 24, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Theatres will show it for less than two weeks, I expect.

    by revolution82jdl

    <p>I have to agree with those who say that this film probably will not make a big profit. <p>In the first place, while Miyazaki has made some wonderful, beautiful films, such as Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke, Ponyo does not look nearly as breathtaking. <p>Second, I'm afraid that most of those who go to see this film will be die-hard anime lovers. It will be their Harvey Milk, so to speak. Just as Harvey Milk was a bad movie and few people went to see it, gays across America turned out in droves just to use their money to help progress their political cause. (Yes, I am aware that it picked up some awards, but hopefully most of us are mature enough to admit that it won only to pander to a special interest group; there would have been hell to pay if it had won nothing.) <p>Likewise, only those who worship at the foot of Miyazaki will pay to see this devolution of his previously enlightened imagination. They will refuse to say anything bad about it before and after seeing it, and will hope that the sum of their tickets' expenses will somehow encourage American theatres to show even more works of Japanese animation.

  • March 24, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Unaju

    by jimmy_009

    That may well be, but that doesn't make the themes any less shallow. It's a problem with many Japanese movies I've seen: if you need 'depth' or meaning you have a five minute shot of beautiful leaves or water rippling. It doesn't actually mean shit, but as long as you have overblown music playing, it's a substitute for meaning. While some might find blowing leaves, ancient forest spirits, and flying dragon river spirits powerful, I actually prefer insight, metaphors, theme, etc to the meaninglessness symbolism that Miyazaki uses as a stand in.

  • March 24, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Get Harry to screen this

    by Aphex Twin

    At the drafthouse. I'll be there!

  • March 24, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by LeFlambeur

    That's an interesting position. Would you care to site some specific examples and counter examples to illustrate? Is the pacing bad because it undermines his intentions, or because it doesn't conform to some preconcieved notion of how a movie aught to be paced. Also: "if you need 'depth' or meaning you have a five minute shot of beautiful leaves or water rippling." I take it you're not an Ozu fan then?

  • March 25, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Ironhelix

    by 11ZOMBIES

    Anyone who says that is just trying to look cool. Miyazaki's a genius.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by 11ZOMBIES

    "Maningless symbolism"? I take it you've never actually SEEN a Miyazaki film.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Jimmy - "Spirits and Magic"

    by Steve Young

    Jimmy, your arguments are tenuous and nearly impossible to engage because you give no specific examples; you might just as well say, "They sucked because they're lame." Hard to debate with "I hate it." As for "plot holes", while some audiences need everything explained to them - "what does this painting mean?" "what does this poem mean?" - some works of art, including the animated films of Hayao Miyazaki, are similarly challenging, and require (hate to say it, hate to write it) a certain "gestalt" on the part of the audience. I did see Howl's Moving Castle, incidentally, and Porco Rosso too; I love them specifically because they refuse to reveal their hands completely. They almost seem to trust me, as a viewer, to fill in the gaps. I love that. Damn straight, Howl is supernatural. But it's also a parable, an analogy. Themes of growing old, of love and sacrifice, are treated with extreme delicacy, and not shoved down our throat. When mysteries remain after the credits roll in Howl or Porco, it's not an oversight on the part of the filmmakers; it's an artistic choice, but not everyone likes mystery or ambiguity. That's fine. As for those pesky "spirits and magic", you can't really be suggesting that films like Spirited Away or Ponyo are lesser films because they contain fantastical, supernatural elements at their core? Can you? Again, and this is an argument I've made on this site before, it's not just waving trees and orchestral strings that create a mood with the Ghibli-style films. The plot of Ponyo (not Miyazaki's strongest film, thematically speaking) is simple in terms of plot, but the wealth of human and natural details in its story makes it richer than a thousand heavy, preachy films. Consider it an impressionistic painting in a children's book. It's no War and Peace, but that's not its motive. It's like a watercolor dream. By the way, those of you who don't want to see Ponyo because you think it's a lame kiddie movie about a talking fish - you are selling yourself short. The animation of the ocean is worth the price of admission alone, and there is at least one action sequence that will leave you breathless. If you're like me.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Ponyo better not be as BAD as Howl's Moving Castle...

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    Howl's is an awful, wretched movie with the half-assed deus ex machina ending. Spirited Away is a great movie. If Ponyo turns out to be weird marihuana bong shit, Hayao Miyazaki needs to retire for real.

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  • March 25, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Pans Labrynth....

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Fits Jimmy's criticism of Spirited Away perfectly. Even the annoying twerp dying at the end didn't help. Spirited Away was amazing. The story of a kid entering a fantasy world and learning to grow up is well, a staple, but the world he created and the characters and blah blah blah were fucking fantastic. Its my favourite of his outside of Porco Rosso. But I really didn't like Howls or this new one. Kind of a shame. I'm suprised by people slamming Miyazaki though. Hes fairly without peer in the world of childrens animation. I mean, nothing Pixar has ever done (the first Toy Story aside) even touches on his lesser films.

  • March 25, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Here...

    by jimmy_009

    Plot holes in Howls: Why does Howl giving a falling star his heart make it live? How would he even know to do that? Why would it turn into a fire demon of all things? Is there a logic to that? How come when Howl gets his heart back, Calcifer is still alive when he was supposed to need it to live? There's some big war going on that's critical to the story, but it's only a side note. We get brief mentions of it when Miyazaki can break himself away from his moving castle jerkoff session, because, you know, it's a big twist at the end when you learn who the scarecrow is. Too bad he didn't invest more time explaining it so it actually would have had some impact. I think it's great that Miyazki has a bunch of clever ideas about how a moving castle would look and work. Good for him. But the story is fucking weak as hell. I've heard the book explains all of this, but Miyazaki is apparently too busy trying to impress us with his talent to let the story work. The plot to Spirited Away WAS meandering, I'd say downright convoluted considering the simple concept behind it. My main griped as far as story goes: we learn that the boy is the dragon that is the "river spirit" that saved the girl as a child (you know, cause she in passing mentioned that before) and we're supposed to be what?...moved? elated? Miyazaki invested literally no emotion into her falling into the river as a child. It means nothing, and yet it's the big reveal at the end of the movie. He spends all his time showing us how this society works and none of the time telling a good story. I couldn't even remember half the shit that went on in this because it's so convoluted. Try this little description I plucked off wikipedia for size: "Haku had stolen Zeniba's sigil under orders from Yubaba. Chihiro tries to help Haku recover using the cake given to her by the river spirit, which acts as an emetic to the dragon, thus recovering Zeniba's sigil, but Haku remains comatose, so Chihiro decides to travel to Zeniba's home to return the sigil, hoping to break her curse. Chihiro sets out on a lonely train ride across the spirit world, along with a wraith-like spirit called No Face who terrorized the bathhouse and tried to earn the affection of Chihiro and Boh, Yubaba's gigantic infant son, whom Zeniba has transformed into a mouse." Now fucking tell me he isn't just throwing shit at the wall?!? I mean really, you take that as serious storytelling? That's just one tiny section of randomness. And I sat through that bullshit thinking "well people say this is really good, I'm sure it's got a powerful ending or something". No it's not. As Ebert said about Howl's: "amazingly for a Miyazaki film, we grow impatient at spectacle without meaning." That sums ALL of his movies to me. Princess Mononoke is probably the only one I've seen that actually has something to say, and even then he practically buries it under mountains of spirit talk (a boar that's actually the spirit of something else? Why does that sound familiar?) and overlong scenes forest spirits doing magical healing. And to the idiot that doesn't think any of Pixar's movies touch Miyazaki's lesser work, you're full of shit. Pixar actually knows how to tell a story RIGHT. There's tons more meaning in any Pixar movie because they are actually saying something and telling it in a lean fashion instead of just going from one random plot point to the next hoping the fact that there's a river spirit in there will be a good substitute for actually a purpose.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    "It's like a watercolor dream. "

    by jimmy_009

    If Miyazaki does indeed create "watercolor dreams", perhaps short form animation would more suited to his intentions. Watercolor dreams don't usually have thousands of convoluted plot points dragging them down for what feels like 3 hours. Of course a watercolor dream might leave you feeling empty when you realize there wasn't much to it other than the surface, so you may be on to something there.

  • March 25, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Badwaldo / Jimmy

    by Steve Young

    Jimmy, thanks for those specific points. I understand better where you're coming from, but again, for me, it all goes back to child logic - fairy-tale logic - which Miyazaki has used increasingly in his later films. The plot structures aren't exactly three-act (this isn't "Chinatown" or "Network") but they unfold like a children's book, or a child's dream. (Agree to Disagree). And Badwaldo: Ponyo is a MUCH less frustrating film than "Howl", and keep in mind "Howl" was a loose adaptation of the Diana Wynne Jones book (adolescent fiction), so they had to struggle with keeping in plot points while also adding their own structure. The delightful thing about "Howl" is you can watch it ten times and still notice new things (though I may be alone in that). The "straw man deus ex machina" was a casualty of the adaptation, but it by no means ruined the film for me, no more than the deus ex machina in any fairy tale would bother me.

  • March 25, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Steve

    by jimmy_009

    That's exactly why I DON'T like movies that are Fairy Tale like or structured like a children's dream. Have you ever had someone tell you about this -crazy- dream they just had? It's usually incredibly boring to anyone but the person that experienced it. It's a bunch of non linked events that felt to that person like something important and powerful, but to anyone else it's just one random thing happening after another with no meaning whatsoever. My personal hell is someone telling me about this dream they had for two hours straight, going into infinitesimal detail. Structure is not a bad thing, especially when you're dealing with a feature length movie. The best kids books and fairy tales at least have a logic to them, the worst are just random things, one happening after another. If you like that kind of stuff, then great, but I find it purposeless jumble, nice on the surface but with nothing going on underneath.

  • March 25, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Miyazkai's Ponyo = NO / Miyazaki's PORNO = YES

    by DickBallsworth

    It's the funnest ever!

  • March 26, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by agnosticyesno

    Your overrated and dull

  • March 26, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    agnosticyesno

    by jimmy_009

    Good comeback schmuck.

  • March 26, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by agnosticyesno

    Not all Miyazakia's movies are not always right on the mark. Howls Moving Castle does have a lot of problems; however, that doesn't mean that all of his movies deserve to be dismissed accordingly. "Your overrated and dull." Obviously, I wrote that to echo what you wrote earlier. Its meaningless. What it says is that you have an emotional response to these films, and you don't like what you see; therefore, the movies are bad. Most of your points are highly subjective. You make an interesting point in your response to Steve when you say that when people tell you about their crazy dream it usually is boring except to the person who dreamed it. Perhaps usually, but not always? So you make a concession that some dreams are more fascinating then others. Also, just because the listener might find a particular dream dull, another might find it quite poignant. In terms of pacing. No, pacing just like music has culturally underpinnings. So just because you don't like the pacing, it doesn't make it objectively flawed. jimmy_009 not liking something doesn't make the something bad.

  • March 26, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    jimmy_009 2

    by agnosticyesno

    "A boar that's actually the spirit of something else." Yes it ought to sound familiar to a Japanese that has different cultural flags then you do. What the symbolism means for a Japanese person you probably just miss because you aren't aware of what the signifiers are pointing to. That's probably why you have a problem with "many" japanese movies you've seen. I wonder what movies you have seen? Name some that you think are great, and others that you think aren't. I'm curious. It seems to me that you have this narrow set of criteria in which to assess a movie or work of art. Words like "all" and "many" is a reflection of this. This might be why a lot of people that like these films judge you so, by your absolute and blanket statements.

  • March 26, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    "forest spirit is fucking retarded""

    by Toonol

    Why are you proud of being ignorant and stupid? I get people not understanding things, but I hate people that are HAPPY that they're remaining ignorant. They'll never get better.

  • April 13, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    The problems with Howl...

    by Johnno

    There are some annoying things about Howl, but isn't it the case that Miyazaki was not the original director? If I remember the story correctly, the original Miyazaki was looking into his retirement after Spirited Away. Somebody else was in charge of Howl's Moving Castle, but this director quit halfway through the project which had problems and so Miyazaki had to step in and salvage the already half assed movie... So Howl's can't really be considered a proper 'Miyazaki' film anyway if this is true... And given Miyazaki's past films the ending of Howl's and its other oddities really don't make sense... So I think most of Howl's problems stem from development problems and the original director dropping out which might've forced Ghibli to try and salvage the project. Anyway, I'm down for Ponyo!

  • April 17, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Just for the record....

    by DrMorbius

    It's NOT Miley Cyrus' voice used in the movie, it is NOAH Cyrus, Mileys younger SISTER!!! "I'm just sayin'....."

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