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Composer Brian Tyler Talks BATTLE: LOS ANGELES, FAST & FURIOUS, And...STAR TREK?!

Published at:  Mar 24, 2009 1:41:29 PM CDT




Merrick here...


Yesterday I posted an article linking out to THIS audio interview with composer Brian Tyler.

In the interview, Brian discusses how a portion of his CHILDREN OF DUNE score was re-recorded for use in a trailer for the new STAR TREK movie.

I erroneously indicated that the music he was discussing could be found in the THIRD (most recent theatrical) trailer for the film. This was incorrect - the music in the third trailer is not the music Tyler was referring to in his interview. I was mistaken, pure and simple. The music he's talking about was used in the second trailer.

But here's where it gets...rather weird. The following explains why this article was suspended, and why further explanation was delayed until now.

Shortly after the posting, a few (now deleted) Talkbacks indicated that none of the trailers for J.J. Abrams' new STAR TREK movie have featured Tyler's music - specifically stating that music used in the second and third trailers was created by (and the property of) a trailer music company called Two Steps From Hell (website ). This assertion was also put forth via a few unnecessarily hostile e-mails.

After ascertaining which Tyler-composed piece was supposedly repurposed for the second STAR TREK trailer, I started digging around the Net and found that the cue in question..."War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE...was often, but not always, attributed to Two Steps From Hell rather than CHILDREN OF DUNE.

So....hunh?

How can music which clearly sounds like Brian Tyler's "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE not be "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE? And, if CHILDREN OF DUNE was repurposed for a STAR TREK trailer, why does the Two Steps From Hell website display the following ownership statements?

This Star Trek Trailer features the custom score 'Down With The Enterprise' and the musical theme begins after the boy says "My name is "James...Kirk"
(seen HERE)

"Custom Score" says nothing about Tyler. "Down With the Enterprise" is the CHILDREN OF DUNE piece Tyler is referring to, although no reference to CHILDREN is made on the Two Steps website.

Another (apparently) all-encompassing ownership statement appears on one of the site's front pages:

All compositions are written by Thomas Bergersen and Nick Phoenix in solar powered studios.
(seen HERE

Which also doesn't credit Tyler/CHILDREN OF DUNE. There is another example or two of similar crediting on the site, like:

All Cues Written by Nick Phoenix & Thomas J.Bergersen
Published by Two Steps From Hell (ASCAP)
(seen HERE).

So, the question was apparent: how exactly did Brian Tyler fit into this strange equation? And why wasn't Tyler's music being credited on the Two Steps website - leading many to believe a piece from CHILDREN OF DUNE is actually composed by someone else, for something else, altogether? Most likely, this was a complete oversight/accident. But it was causing confusion...a lot of it.

In the hopes of clearing things up, my man ScoreKeeper - godlike and ever-connected - promptly & efficiently reached out to Brain Tyler, who quickly sent back this reply:

It is 100% true that my music was licensed for the second Star Trek trailer (not the third trailer). Paramount Pictures licensed my track called "War Begins" from the "Children of Dune" soundtrack. As you can hear in the trailer, the original version of "War Begins" from my 2003 CD is used - but also the company "Two Steps From Hell" recorded an extension of my piece "War Begins" to fill the length of the trailer which was edited together with my original cue. That re-recorded part was done last year which, obviously, was 5 years after I originally recorded the piece for "Children of Dune."

So there you have it.



Merrick here...


Yesterday I posted an article linking out to THIS audio interview with composer Brian Tyler.

In the interview, Brian discusses how a portion of his CHILDREN OF DUNE score was re-recorded for use in a trailer for the new STAR TREK movie.

I erroneously indicated that the music he was discussing could be found in the THIRD (most recent theatrical) trailer for the film. This was incorrect - the music in the third trailer is not the music Tyler was referring to in his interview. I was mistaken, pure and simple. The music he's talking about was used in the second trailer.

But here's where it gets...rather weird. The following explains why this article was suspended, and why further explanation was delayed until now.

Shortly after the posting, a few (now deleted) Talkbacks indicated that none of the trailers for J.J. Abrams' new STAR TREK movie have featured Tyler's music - specifically stating that music used in the second and third trailers was created by (and the property of) a trailer music company called Two Steps From Hell (website ). This assertion was also put forth via a few unnecessarily hostile e-mails.

After ascertaining which Tyler-composed piece was supposedly repurposed for the second STAR TREK trailer, I started digging around the Net and found that the cue in question..."War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE...was often, but not always, attributed to Two Steps From Hell rather than CHILDREN OF DUNE.

So....hunh?

How can music which clearly sounds like Brian Tyler's "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE not be "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE? And, if CHILDREN OF DUNE was repurposed for a STAR TREK trailer, why does the Two Steps From Hell website display the following ownership statements?

This Star Trek Trailer features the custom score 'Down With The Enterprise' and the musical theme begins after the boy says "My name is "James...Kirk"
(seen HERE)

"Custom Score" says nothing about Tyler. "Down With the Enterprise" is the CHILDREN OF DUNE piece Tyler is referring to, although no reference to CHILDREN is made on the Two Steps website.

Another (apparently) all-encompassing ownership statement appears on one of the site's front pages:

All compositions are written by Thomas Bergersen and Nick Phoenix in solar powered studios.
(seen HERE

Which also doesn't credit Tyler/CHILDREN OF DUNE. There is another example of similar crediting on the site:


Merrick here...


Yesterday I posted an article linking out to THIS audio interview with composer Brian Tyler.

In the interview, Brian discusses how a portion of his CHILDREN OF DUNE score was re-recorded for use in a trailer for the new STAR TREK movie.

I erroneously indicated that the music he was discussing could be found in the THIRD (most recent theatrical) trailer for the film. This was incorrect - the music in the third trailer is not the music Tyler was referring to in his interview. I was mistaken, pure and simple. The music he's talking about was used in the second trailer.

But here's where it gets...rather weird. The following explains why this article was suspended, and why further explanation was delayed until now.

Shortly after the posting, a few (now deleted) Talkbacks indicated that none of the trailers for J.J. Abrams' new STAR TREK movie have featured Tyler's music - specifically stating that music used in the second and third trailers was created by (and the property of) a trailer music company called Two Steps From Hell (website ). This assertion was also put forth via a few unnecessarily hostile e-mails.

After ascertaining which Tyler-composed piece was supposedly repurposed for the second STAR TREK trailer, I started digging around the Net and found that the cue in question..."War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE...was often, but not always, attributed to Two Steps From Hell rather than CHILDREN OF DUNE.

So....hunh?

How can music which clearly sounds like Brian Tyler's "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE not be "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE? And, if CHILDREN OF DUNE was repurposed for a STAR TREK trailer, why does the Two Steps From Hell website display the following ownership statements?

This Star Trek Trailer features the custom score 'Down With The Enterprise' and the musical theme begins after the boy says "My name is "James...Kirk"
(seen HERE)

"Custom Score" says nothing about Tyler. "Down With the Enterprise" is the CHILDREN OF DUNE piece Tyler is referring to, although no reference to CHILDREN is made on the Two Steps website.

Another (apparently) all-encompassing ownership statement appears on one of the site's front pages:

All compositions are written by Thomas Bergersen and Nick Phoenix in solar powered studios.
(seen HERE

Which also doesn't credit Tyler/CHILDREN OF DUNE. There is another example or two of similar crediting on the site, like:

All Cues Written by Nick Phoenix & Thomas J.Bergersen
Published by Two Steps From Hell (ASCAP)

(seen HERE).

So, the question was apparent: how exactly did Brian Tyler fit into this strange equation? And why isn't Tyler's music being credited on the Two Steps website - leading many to believe a piece from CHILDREN OF DUNE is actually composed by someone else, for something else, altogether?

In the hopes of clearing things up, my man ScoreKeeper - godlike and ever-connected - promptly & efficiently reached out to Brain Tyler, who quickly sent back this reply:

It is 100% true that my music was licensed for the second Star Trek trailer (not the third trailer). Paramount Pictures licensed my track called "War Begins" from the "Children of Dune" soundtrack. As you can hear in the trailer, the original version of "War Begins" from my 2003 CD is used - but also the company "Two Steps From Hell" recorded an extension of my piece "War Begins" to fill the length of the trailer which was edited together with my original cue. That re-recorded part was done last year which, obviously, was 5 years after I originally recorded the piece for "Children of Dune."

So there you have it.

So, the question was apparent: how exactly did Brian Tyler fit into this strange equation? And why isn't Tyler's music being credited on the Two Steps website - leading many to believe a piece from CHILDREN OF DUNE is actually composed by someone else, for something else, altogether?

In the hopes of clearing things up, my man ScoreKeeper - godlike and ever-connected - promptly & efficiently reached out to Brain Tyler, who quickly sent back this reply:

It is 100% true that my music was licensed for the second Star Trek trailer (not the third trailer). Paramount Pictures licensed my track called "War Begins" from the "Children of Dune" soundtrack. As you can hear in the trailer, the original version of "War Begins" from my 2003 CD is used - but also the company "Two Steps From Hell" recorded an extension of my piece "War Begins" to fill the length of the trailer which was edited together with my original cue. That re-recorded part was done last year which, obviously, was 5 years after I originally recorded the piece for "Children of Dune."

So there you have it.


Merrick here...


Yesterday I posted an article linking out to THIS audio interview with composer Brian Tyler.

In the interview, Brian discusses how a portion of his CHILDREN OF DUNE score was re-recorded for use in a trailer for the new STAR TREK movie.

I erroneously indicated that the music he was discussing could be found in the THIRD (most recent theatrical) trailer for the film. This was incorrect - the music in the third trailer is not the music Tyler was referring to in his interview. I was mistaken, pure and simple. The music he's talking about was used in the second trailer.

But here's where it gets...rather weird. The following explains why this article was suspended, and why further explanation was delayed until now.

Shortly after the posting, a few (now deleted) Talkbacks indicated that none of the trailers for J.J. Abrams' new STAR TREK movie have featured Tyler's music - specifically stating that music used in the second and third trailers was created by (and the property of) a trailer music company called Two Steps From Hell (website ). This assertion was also put forth via a few unnecessarily hostile e-mails.

After ascertaining which Tyler-composed piece was supposedly repurposed for the second STAR TREK trailer, I started digging around the Net and found that the cue in question..."War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE...was often, but not always, attributed to Two Steps From Hell rather than CHILDREN OF DUNE.

So....hunh?

How can music which clearly sounds like Brian Tyler's "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE not be "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE? And, if CHILDREN OF DUNE was repurposed for a STAR TREK trailer, why does the Two Steps From Hell website display the following ownership statements?

This Star Trek Trailer features the custom score 'Down With The Enterprise' and the musical theme begins after the boy says "My name is "James...Kirk"
(seen HERE)

"Custom Score" says nothing about Tyler. "Down With the Enterprise" is the CHILDREN OF DUNE piece Tyler is referring to, although no reference to CHILDREN is made on the Two Steps website.

Another (apparently) all-encompassing ownership statement appears on one of the site's front pages:

All compositions are written by Thomas Bergersen and Nick Phoenix in solar powered studios.
(seen HERE

Which also doesn't credit Tyler/CHILDREN OF DUNE. There is another example of similar crediting on the site:


Merrick here...


Yesterday I posted an article linking out to THIS audio interview with composer Brian Tyler.

In the interview, Brian discusses how a portion of his CHILDREN OF DUNE score was re-recorded for use in a trailer for the new STAR TREK movie.

I erroneously indicated that the music he was discussing could be found in the THIRD (most recent theatrical) trailer for the film. This was incorrect - the music in the third trailer is not the music Tyler was referring to in his interview. I was mistaken, pure and simple. The music he's talking about was used in the second trailer.

But here's where it gets...rather weird. The following explains why this article was suspended, and why further explanation was delayed until now.

Shortly after the posting, a few (now deleted) Talkbacks indicated that none of the trailers for J.J. Abrams' new STAR TREK movie have featured Tyler's music - specifically stating that music used in the second and third trailers was created by (and the property of) a trailer music company called Two Steps From Hell (website ). This assertion was also put forth via a few unnecessarily hostile e-mails.

After ascertaining which Tyler-composed piece was supposedly repurposed for the second STAR TREK trailer, I started digging around the Net and found that the cue in question..."War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE...was often, but not always, attributed to Two Steps From Hell rather than CHILDREN OF DUNE.

So....hunh?

How can music which clearly sounds like Brian Tyler's "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE not be "War Begins" from CHILDREN OF DUNE? And, if CHILDREN OF DUNE was repurposed for a STAR TREK trailer, why does the Two Steps From Hell website display the following ownership statements?

This Star Trek Trailer features the custom score 'Down With The Enterprise' and the musical theme begins after the boy says "My name is "James...Kirk"
(seen HERE)

"Custom Score" says nothing about Tyler. "Down With the Enterprise" is the CHILDREN OF DUNE piece Tyler is referring to, although no reference to CHILDREN is made on the Two Steps website.

Another (apparently) all-encompassing ownership statement appears on one of the site's front pages:

All compositions are written by Thomas Bergersen and Nick Phoenix in solar powered studios.
(seen HERE

Which also doesn't credit Tyler/CHILDREN OF DUNE. There is another example or two of similar crediting on the site, like:

All Cues Written by Nick Phoenix & Thomas J.Bergersen
Published by Two Steps From Hell (ASCAP)

(seen HERE).

So, the question was apparent: how exactly did Brian Tyler fit into this strange equation? And why isn't Tyler's music being credited on the Two Steps website - leading many to believe a piece from CHILDREN OF DUNE is actually composed by someone else, for something else, altogether?

In the hopes of clearing things up, my man ScoreKeeper - godlike and ever-connected - promptly & efficiently reached out to Brain Tyler, who quickly sent back this reply:

It is 100% true that my music was licensed for the second Star Trek trailer (not the third trailer). Paramount Pictures licensed my track called "War Begins" from the "Children of Dune" soundtrack. As you can hear in the trailer, the original version of "War Begins" from my 2003 CD is used - but also the company "Two Steps From Hell" recorded an extension of my piece "War Begins" to fill the length of the trailer which was edited together with my original cue. That re-recorded part was done last year which, obviously, was 5 years after I originally recorded the piece for "Children of Dune."

So there you have it.

So, the question was apparent: how exactly did Brian Tyler fit into this strange equation? And why isn't Tyler's music being credited on the Two Steps website - leading many to believe a piece from CHILDREN OF DUNE is actually composed by someone else, for something else, altogether?

In the hopes of clearing things up, my man ScoreKeeper - godlike and ever-connected - promptly & efficiently reached out to Brain Tyler, who quickly sent back this reply:

It is 100% true that my music was licensed for the second Star Trek trailer (not the third trailer). Paramount Pictures licensed my track called "War Begins" from the "Children of Dune" soundtrack. As you can hear in the trailer, the original version of "War Begins" from my 2003 CD is used - but also the company "Two Steps From Hell" recorded an extension of my piece "War Begins" to fill the length of the trailer which was edited together with my original cue. That re-recorded part was done last year which, obviously, was 5 years after I originally recorded the piece for "Children of Dune."

So there you have it.



Brian Tyler is supposed to also be credited on our site. It should be fixed now. Star Trek Trailer #2 features "War Begins" by Brian Tyler and "Down With The Enterprise" by Two Steps From Hell. "Down With The Enterprise" is a new arrangement of "War Begins", but does contain a new section of music not based on "War Begins" which was used heavily in the trailer. -Nick















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  • Mar 23, 2009 11:35:11 AM CDT

    Battle Beasts would be better

    by soylentmean

    Where's that movie?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 11:42:03 AM CDT

    Tyler hasn't written a good score since Frailty

    by nasty in the pasty

  • Mar 23, 2009 11:49:12 AM CDT

    does work on the talkback also?

    by alice 13

    like if you use it HERE or if you use itsomeplace else?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 11:50:57 AM CDT

    i meant 'back arrow' i and 'forward arrow' i.

    by alice 13

    obviously it doesnt work not even when you followit with a slash i.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 11:53:25 AM CDT

    Where are Harry's DVD picks???????????

    by indyabbey jones

  • Mar 23, 2009 11:56:13 AM CDT

    YO!

    by my liege

    Wasn't Children of Dune used on the Indy IV trailer as well?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 12:20:34 PM CDT

    No, the music wasn't by Brian Tyler!!!!

    by lazygarfield

    It was from a group called TWO STEPS FROM HELL. And the album name was LEGEND.

    I say so because I have the track with me, and I can prove the resemblance, but that would be illegal, wouldn't it?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 12:40:41 PM CDT

    lazygarfield is right

    by twisted_lullaby

    Trailer 3 is a track called 'Freedom Fighters'. Trailer 2 is the Children of Dune cue.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 12:56:05 PM CDT

    That trailer music is Children of Dune?

    by d.vader

    Funny, it sounds EXACTLY like the score from Batman Begins and Dark Knight...

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 1:03:12 PM CDT

    @ TheGoodGerman

    by lazygarfield

    I am trying to be polite here, but.. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU SAY THAT?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 1:05:10 PM CDT

    alice 13 ----- high much?

    by dioxholster

    is it me or is there something alittle bit off about alice 13. i dont even pretend to know what the hell hes sayin.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 1:08:09 PM CDT

    Same thing with the Two Towers trailer

    by d.vader

    They re-orchestrated Clint Mansell's theme from "Requiem For a Dream". Doesn't mean I'd want him to score LOTR.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 1:11:40 PM CDT

    Fuck STAR TREK!

    by light_tweaker

    Looks so fucking gay. Way to go, Circlejerk Abrams!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 1:14:48 PM CDT

    Tyler/Giacchino

    by agentarchangel

    IMO, Tyler actually had a really good score in Eagle Eye. I would have to agree with the ultimate choice of Giacchino though, he's proven himself at a level Tyler hasn't gotten to yet. A couple more big ticket projects on his resume, and he'll probably get a franchise like this.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 1:29:41 PM CDT

    Battle Beasts!!!

    by dollar bird

    "Battle for the fun of it!" Ah, yes. Wood beats water. Fire beats wood. Water beats fire. And it never ends. Thanks Soylent. I haven't thought about that in a while. Now to wikipedia to see the entry and find out all I never knew about that toy line I never bought but always kind of wanted.

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  • Mar 23, 2009 1:38:42 PM CDT

    Merrick, here's the music from the new trailer

    by d.vader

    http://tinyurl.com/dd76oj Not trying to take away from Brian Tyler's talent, but THIS is the track you're speaking of up above and its NOT BRIAN TYLER.

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  • Mar 23, 2009 1:40:05 PM CDT

    But "War Begins" by Tyler is a kickass piece

    by d.vader

    Everyone should know.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 1:56:27 PM CDT

    Star Trek Returns

    by blest

    "Does it still stand for exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and new civilizations....all that stuff?"

    "Star Trek Returns."

    LOL.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 2:01:15 PM CDT

    dadadadadadadaduhda

    by harold-sherbort

    NOW TESTIFY!!!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 23, 2009 2:06:46 PM CDT

    Dollar Bird, Battle Beasts were great toys

    by soylentmean

    I usually had them overrun my G.I. Joes with their superior technology and sheer numbers. Really cool toy designs from back when toy designs were cool.

    Oh yeah, and I had them kill off my Ewoks and take over the Ewok village playset I had. Battle Beasts + Ewok Village playset = cool as hell battle fortress (in my imagination).

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