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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA WILL APPEAR IN STUDIO ON “THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO” ON THURSDAY, MARCH 19
BURBANK – March 16, 2009 – President Barack Obama will be making his first sit-down talk show appearance in studio in front of a live audience since becoming elected on Thursday, March 19 on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" (Monday – Friday, 11:35 p.m.-12:37 a.m. ET on NBC). This marks the first appearance of a sitting President on a late night talk show.
Among other topics, President Obama will be sitting down to talk about his economic plan. President Obama made his first "Tonight Show" appearance on December 1, 2006.
"The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" is from Big Dog Productions in association with Universal Media Studios. Debbie Vickers is the executive producer.
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA WILL APPEAR IN STUDIO ON “THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO” ON THURSDAY, MARCH 19
BURBANK – March 16, 2009 – President Barack Obama will be making his first sit-down talk show appearance in studio in front of a live audience since becoming elected on Thursday, March 19 on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" (Monday – Friday, 11:35 p.m.-12:37 a.m. ET on NBC). This marks the first appearance of a sitting President on a late night talk show.
Among other topics, President Obama will be sitting down to talk about his economic plan. President Obama made his first "Tonight Show" appearance on December 1, 2006.
"The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" is from Big Dog Productions in association with Universal Media Studios. Debbie Vickers is the executive producer.
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...Conan was already hosting. I'd enjoy that interview...
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Didn't work then.
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is fucking retarded.
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could have given every man, woman, and child in America almost $3,500. I got jack.
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Should have been on Letterman. His tooth-gap would have canceled out the ears.
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...and trying to fool your kid into thinking it tastes good. He's just trying to appear cool and hip so his polls go up. It might work for a little while, but it won't for long. Pretty soon he'll have to start taking responsibility. Bottom line, it's a desperate move.
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...and fuck Jay Leno. Bring on Conan and some clear-minded Republicans...if there are any left.
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Mar 16, 2009 2:18:57 PM CDT
and now the talkback slowly errupts into a politcal flame war
by walrusholder
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the end.
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is still on the campaign trail because thats all he knows how to do. Poll numbers are slipping! Guess I need to hit the campaign trail and work my mojo again.
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you could spend one million dollars a day, for the past 2,000 years.
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I'd rather be fighting dinosaurs and avoiding man eating monkeys than live in what I think the future holds...too bad I don't have the guts to off myself.
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...he's really going to get some hard-hitting questions from Jay Fucking Leno, the worst interviewer ever. "So, tell me about your new dog, Mr. President!" "So, what's it like living in the White House?"
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...they took just $1 Billion...and gave every financially responsible/legally residing person over 18 yrs. old - $1 Million? Wouldn't they pour some of that back into the economy in ways that would make better sense than all of that pork?
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as windshield washer fluid is to daycare kids.
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so it should be a great interview.
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interesting...i like...i think...
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I didn't vote for the Jackass. I saw this crap coming two years ago.
Politics + Style - Substance - Experience = Barack Obama
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even I have to admit this is fucking stupid. WTF? Talk show appearances WHILE President? Do your fucking job.
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The president isn't beholden to every legal person 18 years and older. He's only beholden to the organizations that got him elected. Stands to reason that they would be the ones to get the cashola.
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and concentrate on driving cars built for speed under 30mph
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Jimmy Fallon hasn't been fired, yet.
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HEY LETS FLY ACROSS COUNTRY AND GOOF OFF ON LENO!
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...good point - unfortunately. Cheers.
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Oops wrong President.
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the economy is basically sound and now this...well he's fucking up a lot lately and I support(ed) him...
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Leno: Whhhhhhhhhhhhhh-wha-whats it like Mister President being the first African American President?
Obama: it was kinda boring but then one day these four singing crows gave me a feather to hold in my trunk and now I can fly all a round the oval office. They said the 'done seen most bout every-ah-thang' now. -
Mar 16, 2009 2:28:59 PM CDT
obama = awesome. leno = fucking terrible
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
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It's called pork until it goes to YOUR state. Or are you living in one of the destitute states unfortunate enough to have a fuckhead of a governor threatening to refuse the funds?
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just paying taxes. Federal and state income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, car property taxes (in some states) etc etc etc. Taxing the rich speeches are red herrings.
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Mar 16, 2009 2:30:34 PM CDT
obama appears on a talk show once and everybody
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
loses their fucking minds. how many times did bush go on fucking vacation assholes???? obama is doing a good job so far. lets hope he doesnt fuck it all up like bush.
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I never ever got a paycheck from a poor person. Not once ever.
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Mar 16, 2009 2:31:11 PM CDT
and yes this would be better if it was conan
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
because leno is awful
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Dave has been much better at having special event shows in recent years. This would be historical and awesome if this were going to be for The Late Show. Tonight Show with Leno? Sigh. Who cares?
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Dave had a nice resurgence in the 90s, but his forced-edginess is just as bad as Leno NOT being edgy. Dave's too much of an embittered prick to be funny these days. I only say Leno's better because he never changed...he's always been stale...except his old stand up was pretty raunchy, if I recall correctly.
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Equating this to a vacation is asinine. Have you ever taken a trip to california after working a job for TWO MONTHS? Most of us in the real world are just escaping that 'probationary period' after 50 days.
sorry but you'll see - even Obama supporters are going to be saying, 'poorly timed' - our economy is in the toilet and the water's all but drained out already. Bailout money given to Citi and BOA were loaned to DUBAI AND CHINA instead of US Taxpayers. Iraq is still a mess, and we are TAKING IT ON THE CHIN IN AFGHANISTAN.
seriously, you think now is a great time to go on The Tonight Show?
This is so transparent. Obama's approval ratings are taking a bit of a hit, so he runs off to do a TV Talk Show. Did you know that of the past 50 days in office, Obama has been outside of Washington DC for 32 of those days? Where has he been? on the campaign trail meeting in small towns talking about his stimulus package.
HEY DUMBO - THE ELECTIONS OVER. YOU ARE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. HOW ABOUT HEADING DOWN TO THE OFFICE AND GETTING SOMETHING DONE. -
Because his economic policy is a joke. Print money, risk hyperinflation, and give it to billionaires. The rest of the american people can live in tent cities. Cue the rimshot from Kevin Eubanks.
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Because there are only one thousand "financially responsible/legally residing person over 18 yrs. old"
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Mar 16, 2009 2:38:09 PM CDT
I tell you one and one makes three! Ohh.. Cult of Personality!
by ogieoglethorpe
Neon lights, a nobel prize;
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Think its too late to buy tickets to Thursday's show? I'd love to see the guy in person as I am a proud Obama supporter.
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Obama will be appearing next on Carson Daily instead of The Daily Show. Sec of State Clinton apologized for the harmless mixup.
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Fuck, Arcadian. Are you trying to channel Coughlins Laws or something?!
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Okay, lemme get this straight... all of you Republicans are complaining that the President will spend a few minutes on a talk show, while you spend hours (even days) on end bitching and moaning about some of the most inane shit?
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A lefty would refuse to see that it's not just Democrats complaining here.
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Both parties are complaining that this is a bad idea.
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Sitting US President during the greatest economic danger to our country in its history (Obama's words, not mine) going off to do talk shows = ordinary joes on the internet complaining about stuff.
seriously dude, what kind of job can your brain actually hold down? Tell me.
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He used it to convince people that his agenda was anything more than rampant socialism and that he wasn't unqualified and it worked. He'll use this to convince the ignorant masses that his socialist programs disguised as stimulus are a good idea and they'll accept it because "he's for change" and "he's such a good speaker".
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Okay, you guys are political strategists. Tell me exactly what will happen after Obama does 10-15 minute interview on the Tonight show. Seriously, I want to know what you think will be the aftermath.
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He used it to convince people that his agenda was anything more than rampant socialism and that he wasn't unqualified and it worked. He'll use this to convince the ignorant masses that his socialist programs disguised as stimulus are a good idea and they'll accept it because "he's for change" and "he's such a good speaker".
I wonder if they'll use Leno's teleprompter or if he'll bring his own. -
Part of the president's job is the bully pulpit, i.e. finding ways to talk to the American people about his programs and/or issues facing the country. Going on Leno *IS* part of his job, idiots.
By the way, your man Dubya spent a good bit of time making the right-wing talk radio rounds, even having asshats like Hannity and Neal Boortz visit him in the White House. Same deal, except Obama is trying to appeal to more than the lunatic fringe.
It's kinda sad how many reactionary fanboys you meet around here. I'd love to see how political affiliation around here tracks up with issues like rabid squid-purism. My guess is the same people are threatened by change in any of its manifestations. (Full disclosure: I thought Watchmen had serious flaws, but wasn't terrible or anything.) -
Which one will reach more citizens? And which will serve as a better viral medium for Obama to speak to the American public?Since when was communicating to the public a bad idea for a President? I mean since George Bush?Would it be more acceptable if he went on Meet The Press? Limbaugh?
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That dog won't hunt, and you sound like a talking-point-spewing ignoramus when you use it. There's nothing socialist about all about Obama's stated agenda, with the possible exception of the TARP bailout plans that preceded his tenure (and that's more crony capitalism than it is socialism -- thanks a lot, Dubyaites.)
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ArcadianDelSol said:
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Sitting US President during the greatest economic danger to our country in its history (Obama's words, not mine) going off to do talk shows = ordinary joes on the internet complaining about stuff.
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So, the country will collapse, plunging into Armageddon because President Obama went on the Tonight Show? Yeah, I see you're brain is working overtime.
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I hate Jay Leno with a fucking passion. And anyone who sincerely prefers Leno to Dave... I literally do not even know how to communicate with you, because you might as well be an alien from another planet.
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I kid. But you know someone is thinking it.
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...means that america is ALREADY fucked.
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is because you already exhausted your tiny brainstem.
Since you can't read, typing this a second time wont be any more help for you, but nonetheless, it was OBAMA who called this the greatest risk in our nation's history - not me. Those are HIS words, not mine.Also, anyone who thinks a 10 minute interview with Jay Leno = televisied Presidential Address deserves the President they got. -
I think you kinda answered your own question. Obama's going on Leno because Leno appeals to the types of folks who -- how do I put this nicely -- are more easily susceptible to being swayed by a 10-15 minute appearance on a talk show.
In election years, we euphemistically tend to call these people "undecided" voters, even tho' anyone with half a brain has usually made their mind up months beforehand. -
He made a speech on the senate floor. It's on youtube http://tinyurl.com/4sjt9x
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So what? I supported the TARP bailout as well, mainly because we can't afford to have some of these cornerstones of our economy fail, even if their dire circumstances are a result of crappy, unregulated behavior. (Credit default swaps, etc.)
That doesn't change the fact that the most "socialist" aspect of the current president's agenda was conceived by those flaming reds Hank Paulson and George Dubya Bush. -
That would be funny.
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Since there are plenty who want to lap up every word he says go on Dave too, then Kimmel, Oprah, the View - shit the possibilities are endless!! Endless!!
Instead of trying to show us how "cool" he is, how about being a Leader, and acting like THAT instead?
50-ish days so far and PLENTY of opportunites to Change things. Business as usual is not "Change". And he didn't "inherit" this economy. It was all bought and paid for, fair and square. -
You poor diluted child. I don't believe you're even reading your own writing, much less understood what I wrote.
But since you insist on carrying on this inanity, tell me: how will Obama's appearance on Leno affect his economic recovery efforts? Will it actually make matters worse? -
Again, since when was communicating to the public a bad idea for a President? Is it the chosen medium that irks you so?As a few others have pointed out, it's all about using the bully pulpit. An unscripted talk show appearance is sure to garner more viewers than a pre-written televised/radio address.Remember, the more an elected leader is willing to talk to the people, the better grounds the people have for judging him/her and their respective policies.
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you guys are easier than your moms. for reals, yo.
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Everyone here is even-headed and has well thought out ideas and responses.
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Nevermind.
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Retreat and hide behind banality the already plaid-out Baling. Nothing there... just as I thought.
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...you're right. I neglected that fact...good observation...
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tonight, dave actually has left-wing loon rachel maddow on, who barely has any viewers at all. he's turned into just another partisan hack like O'Reilly and Olbermann, and would be even more brown-nosing to THE MESSIAH than leno.
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Mr. Nice Gaius said:
"Would it be more acceptable if he went on Meet The Press? Limbaugh?"
If he wanted to reach the largest possible audience of intelligent voters, he would accept Rush's debate proposal. If he wants to frighten and/or mesmerize the "go with the flow" voters and feed the liberal machine, he should go on Leno/Letterman/insert-"entertainment"-program-here. I guess Larry King was busy.
Who is hoping for Obama to get bumped because the interview with Jennifer Love Hewitt runs long?
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"You poor diluted child."
It's 'deluded' you stupid douche. -
all that guy does is go on TV because he's the next Paris Hilton or some shit, nothing more.
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Is unscripted. BHO will be anything but.
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I can't believe how many fanboys and comic book nerds are conservative douchebags! Who would've thunk it?
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thank you for the correction, you intelligent mensch.
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What a stupid assumption.
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Isn't already on Heroes? Isn't he the one who can manipulate the stock mar...err...electronics with his mind?
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I've been soaking in a bath during this entire talkback, so he makes a pretty good argument.
also, i love how he still thinks Im debating him on this topic.
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Conservatives think that liberals are well-intentioned people who just don't have all the information needed to make a reasoned assessment of an issue. Liberals think that conservatives are "douchebags". Do you see why we have a problem in this country?
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The Federal Reserve lowering the interest rates to one percent, fannie mae and freddie mac, the CRA, and the too big to fail mentality created the housing bubble. All bubbles pop. Now you want the government to have more power to act as the savior? It's like paying the thief who robbed your house to find your stuff. It's OK if Obama's on Leno. I couldn't even give a shit. I just wish he would tell the truth. I'd watch him on Jerry Springer or Tyra Banks if he would explain where all the missing TARP money went. Fact remains Obama gives a better speech than Bush (BTW I'm not a republican. Bush was horrendous) However, bullshit is still bullshit.
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Obama is actually going to appear on SyFy's new show "Neroes" where he potrays a US President who galavants all around doing Leno and SNL while Wall Street burns down around him.
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At least then I would have watched.
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Conservatives have spent the past forty years -- some might say longer -- trying to convince a voting majority that liberals are loathsome, unAmerican bleeding-heart "socialists." So, let's not act aggrieved at this late date.
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It looks like we disagree about the causes of our current predicament. I'd say it had a lot less to do with government programs like Freddie and Fannie Mad and a lot more to do with an completely unregulated market in "credit default swaps" emerging in our financial sector, whereby, through the magic of leverage, unregulated gamblers dug us into a multi-trillion dollar hole by leveraging over and over again roughly a trillion in bad assets.
Also, regarding Fannie and Freddie Mae, it's a fact that the folks who got special deals through things like minority-lending-practices were less likely to default on their mortgages than actual, honest-to-goodness "customers." So that particular argument has been wildly overblown. -
Sitting beside President Obama on the Tonight Show couch... Oh, it's the money you could be saving with Geico. He will help our country out of the financial mess it is in right now, because he knows money. And that's because, well... he IS money.
I always feel like... somebody's waaatchin meeeee -
It's still early in his presidency. We've got a ways before he starts shooting lightning from his fingertips.
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ITS FUN TO APPROVE PET PROJECTS
ITS FUN TO APPROVE PET PROJECTS
ITS FUN TO APPROVE PET PROJECTS
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that is all
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I'd be all for Obama making an appearance on Rush's show. I'd love to hear/see it. Even if it meant lending credibility to that out-of-touch, gaseous windbag radio talkshow host who has never held public office (but likes to think that he does).
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Mar 16, 2009 4:03:29 PM CDT
When's Obama gonna be on THE 10-MINUTE TRAINER infomercial?
by mrmysteryguest
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He's just going on Leno for 10 minutes. Maybe it isn't a brilliant idea, but it isn't Armegeddon either. However, it is a good litmus test for your own political objectivity. If Obama going on Leno fills you with hate and outrage then you're probably far too emotionally-biased to have any useful opinions about anything political.
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The President of the United States of America can find far more useful ways to spend his time. Like... I don't know, maybe paying attention to running the friggin' country.
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ONLY $19.99!!!
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It's funny that Obama has so much time on his hands to go promote himself, but NOT enough time to read the stimulus plan...
I see where your priorities LIE Mr. President -
he knows who the vice-[resident is?
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Power hungry socialist!!!!
Liberals go back to your fucking sugar coated fucking dreamland and wake the fuck up -
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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cuz he has gaiman on...should be a blast...btw....FUCK YOU WINGNUT COCKSUCKERS...YOU MAKE THIS COUNTRY LOUSY
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more people watch leno than do the news programs obama is going to be in cali trying to sell the stimulus package in oc...so hes making a stop in burbank, to sell it to the masses i cant wait for all you wingnut fucks to die
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Seriously, could you dicks sink any lower in your pursuit of cheap political points? As if a few minutes on Leno is the ONLY thing he's done since he got into office or that he's somehow doing it to avoid responsibility -- or even that it will harm America in some way.
You fucktards put on your best, faux-indignant, Dan Quayle "that was uncalled for senator" faces and think that makes you sound like political intellectuals. Actually, you sound like base, repellent homunculi trying your damndest to score the sleaziest points imaginable out of sheer and hilarious desperation.
As much as I loathed Bush, I would never have been reduced to those kind of feeble, dickless attacks against him.
You're all symptomatic of what the republican party has become -- a drooling, shameless horde of odious cunts. -
"you sound like base, repellent homunculi"
That has to be the BEST intellectual insult of a group that I've ever heard.
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Mar 16, 2009 4:26:53 PM CDT
Good news...keep him as far away from the Economy as possible!!!
by bosskmr
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... is a second wasted. I know for a fact if he puts every single moment of every single day into working on the economy, it shall be fixed. That's how things operate. You have to give up sleep and piss breaks and every other thing in your life. If you do take a piss break, for instance, you are doomed to failure.
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Obama is showing his true colors now!
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Surely, Rush Limbaugh has a website with message boards which appeals to lowest common denominator assholes like yourself.
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10 to 15 minutes on a shitty talk show isn't going to send the world to hell. And I'm sure the entire plane ride to L.A. he'll be in contact with people that are under him(which is everyone when you're on a plane..ZING!!) working on plans. I'm sure a good majority of the show will be dedicated to our economic crisis, and reassuring the u.s that we're not completely fucked. Then, he'll get back on the plane or whatever, and he'll be back at it again!!
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On a Public/Private education system that has clearly failed everyone.
Of course I only say that as a man who worked hard, earned an MFA in film production, deluded myself into believing that this degree and a Student Emmy plus two first place awards at the American Visions Film Festival would net me anything than jack squat.
So couple that failed fantasy and impending homelessness - not kidding - with the inability to properly debate an issue in talkbacks or forums and you see that we have truly developed a crummy educational system.
I keep thinking now is a good time to slit my wrists, unfortunately I'm not man enough to do it, so I just bitch about it like everyone else on a talkback. That's what's truly wrong with this country, not enough doers.
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hear hear, first of a president has almost no control over improving the economy. A president can choke it and make it stumble(create war for instance). But ultimately it's up to congress. Obama has been doing a lot lately. Reinstalling some actual power to the EPA, removing the ban on federal stemcell funding and getting the FCC to push for expanding broadband penatration will allows us to reap as many beneifts as we did when our national highway system was overhauled. I won't be watching leno for obama but I'll be sure and read the transcript the enxt day.
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the mess created by Bush et al fixed yet?!
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I'm sure there aren't more pressing issues to deal with.
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Wow, so he's in Burbank to sell the "stimulus" package, maybe it's because his approval rating has dropped below Bush in 2001 (and that guy isn't someone who's poll you want to drop below)
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How many of you guys are still wearing your Shepard Fairey Obama T-shirts as you feverishly type out your replies to this Talkback?
"I Voted For Change And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt"! -
President Barack Obama calls the economic situation "Fucked Up" on national t.v., sending a shock through the country. 5 days after Fuckgate, the economy fixes itself, religion crumbles, and Cheney and Bush get caught in a homosexual night club in Texas, where they claim to be "guest bartending". True story. I was there.
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Why complain because he's only doing Leno for "fifteen minutes."
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you KNOW you thought about that somepoint.
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isn't there some brush that needs clearing or something
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Mar 16, 2009 5:20:28 PM CDT
I also keep hearing that the economic crisis is all...
by themarinebiologist
... Bush's fault.
Because Bush clearly controlled Congress in 2006 and in result is entirely to blame.
Seriously, with the Democrat majority in the House and Senate, you'd think they'd be able to fix the problem easily with no chance of their attempt blocked. With the amount of power that Obama has right now, the economy should have been fixed, right? Anything they want to do, they can do. Instead they're using their power to give money to a little woodland mouse. Someone said a ways above that it's only pork until it goes to your state, then you change your mind. I live in California. Creating a preserve for a salt marsh harvest mouse is pork. -
is doing a great job.
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it's not like he's got anything else to do.
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I'm one of those extra-chromosome right wingers but I'm trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt... if someone would just tell him THE CAMPAIGN IS OVER. You got the job; you can start today!
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Mar 16, 2009 5:24:56 PM CDT
they should have Keifer Sutherland come running in, as a cameo
by m00kiedood
If seeing Jack Bauer come running in yelling: "Mister President, I need you trust me on a vital matter of national security!" wouldn't scare the living crap out of a President, I don't know what would.
But seriously, you bunch of whiny Limbaugh strokers, the guy has been in office for 2.5 months, and you're incensed that he hasn't fixed all of Bush's fuck ups yet?
This guy likes talking to Americans a lot -- way more than Bush, who never ran a single non-scripted press conference in 8 years -- and he likes using different kinds popular media so that he can reach as wide an audience as possible... radio, TV, press conferences, YouTube coverage of his weekly address, and now Leno.
Because Obama KNOWS that the majority of Americans turn off presidential speeches and press conferences when they come on, so that they can flip around and find Two and a Half Men or something, or that they'll hear about what he's announced after being filtered by Fox or CNN or Entertainment Tonight into some shiny, tiny, left or right corrupted soundbite.... and so he knows that he needs to use a bunch of different forums to communicate directly to as large a portion of the population as possible, if he is interested in keeping Americans updated.
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No reason, he's just cool.
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Exactly! ...and the economy is not cyclical, and the policies enacted prior to Bush had no effect on it either. They're right.. all Bush's fault!
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Now that would be fucking fun.
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She's the one running the country and pulling the strings on the handsom, brown puppet. God help us!
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You shouldn't have been flying private jets to your Congressional hearing in Washington....
So how is Obama getting to California for a Tonight Show appearance? That's responsible use of taxpayer money? I hope he's got some other primary reason for being in town or he's just further demonstrating their is no limit to his hipocrisy. -
Now, I need you to speak very slowly so that the rednecks can understand: what are Bush's economic fuck ups and how is Obama combating them?
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If you look back at history it's when Andrew Jackson promoted wealth through manufacturing and land ownership while keeping high tariffs on foreign products that lead to this whole financial crisis. If you want to blame someone... Blame The Whigs!
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Somehow I don't think Obama is one of them. The country is freaked out right now. What's the difference to Obama's schedule if he gives a prime time press conference or goes on Leno? Very little. Meanwhile, as he seeks to get everyone on the same page, Leno gives him a much bigger audience to do so. Anyone out there paying attention knows we are in the middle of a crisis of confidence; consumers and the market are being overly pessimistic now. Not to mention a lot of people are ignorant as to what is going on. Yes things have gone a bit to shit but we'll never get anywhere if everyone stays scared ... If Obama can reach out and help the general mood even a little bit with this appearance, I'm all for it.
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Which is something else I don't care about. This article was clearly created because all the AICN people have nothing to talk about and knew this would keep talkbackers busy
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Andrew Jackson was a Democrat, not a Whig. And he didn't promote manufacturing or the tariff. Those were Whig inclinations.
Also, a lot of the right-wingers here are evincing their usual douchebaggery. No point in even talking to you asshats, good riddance. -
When does Rush announce his intentions to run for office of the President? Soon... I hope. :)
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I'd rather not see him at all. Why does he need to go on TV and sit next to the Lindsay Lohan's and Paris Hiltons? Is he our President or just another Celeb looking for his 15 minutes? Right now I don't know. He clearly lies like a politician, or maybe it's because a community advisor isn't good training to lead the government...who'd knew?
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Tell me what Bush did and what law was passed that Bush did to hurt the economy? I'll tell you a few that Clinton did.
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Obama went from being a Christ-like savior to his supporters arguing that his fuckups won't end the world. He's doing swell!!!
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Ahhh... It all makes sense to me now.
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It saddens me that you missed the point of my post. My post was a QUESTION directed towards those saying that Bush fucked up the economy.
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Rush 2012 The Spirit of the Radio The prophecy is being fulfilled. :)
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As if Bush with his laughable, painted on, "Down Home" bumpkin-ism trying to sell his spending plans and wars very time he saw a camera wasn't enough; now we get Crown Prince Obama himslef heading for the grazing ground of ignorant and easily scared middle class to sell them some prime Swamp Land... 10% control these political puppets, 20% depend on them...the majority of the rest of us are raped by them to support the 30% they owe their existence too. You made this mess Washington...with your run amok Fed, your legislated sub prime loans, your Wars, your Nation and Empire building and your decades of economic meddling...and now you want US to shoulder the blame and the burden. Burn Washington Burn!
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...that has yet to be answered.
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Hmmm... Candidate Bush had just been _nominated_ when a late night talk show superimposed "SNIPERS WANTED" over his face. But now we're supposed to cut BHO a break 'cause he's only been President for two months. Now I see how that works.
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I mean no matter what you do half the country hates you. How do you do this job without being a little crazy?
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The answer you're looking for: Bush and his cronies eviscerated the regulatory regime at the SEC and other oversight institutions, creating the opportunity for an unregulated CDO market that precipitated the current collapse.
The Clinton administration had their part to play in this fiasco too, mainly by repealing the Glass-Steagal Act and removing the wall between commercial and investment banks. The Dubyaites made everything much, much worse, by [a] putting the government back on unsound economic footing for the sake of trickle-down tax cuts and [b] enforcing financial regulatory requirements "laxly," to say the least. -
Obama is probably in CA, received the invitation or reached out to The Tonight Show, and fit the appearance into his schedule. When any of you become president, you're more than welcome to brush off the media, give two shits about public opinion, and go on vacation as much as you want. At least Obama's doing his job, and being open with the press. Like a sitting president is really going to fly to CA for no reason, when all he had to do was have a satellite uplink set up at the White House to conduct an interview. It's like getting up to get a drink from the fridge with the cooler right next to you.
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That's what Obama will say on Leno so that means it's true. Hope/Change fixes all. That and trippling the deficit in a year.
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Can you explain how the whole housing crisis and the run on the banks factor into that?
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But that will never happen. Just like the naked Scarlett Johansen/Jessica Alba lesbian sex scene.
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Does The Tonight Show have teleprompters?
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And for those who think he's still "campaigning" cause his poll numbers are going down - If you think it's a dumb idea, don't you think Obama MIGHT think so too? I mean, we can be as cynical as we like, but don't let's be silly. In a year maybe, as the midterm elections start to heat up, THEN start calling every move poll-oriented. But you're picking the wrong time to accuse Obama of campaigning. It doesn't make any sense right now.
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It's 2112 guys!! Come one now!! These are mistakes we can't afford to make!!
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The housing crisis didn't become a crisis until losses were exacerbated by banks, lenders, and investment firms engaging in seriously dodgy, unregulated behavior, namely [a] subprime bundling and [b] CDOs, or credit default swaps. Which they could, thanks to the "lax" (re: crony-filled) regulatory regime of Dubya.
The run on the banks is a consequence of this unregulated behavior, as AIG, Citi, and other financial behemoths engaged in speculation that their assets couldn't back up and became financially unstable. -
It would be awesome to put the entire budget in a water tank to the Will It Float! music.
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If you have trouble understanding the problem here, let stick figures do the heavy lifting: http://tinyurl.com/2nwgtl
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This is news? The barely articulate, incompetent foreigner on Leno. At least if they had Suzanne Summers on, she can form sentences without a teleprompter. Some dumb blonds are better than others.
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...a little out of line. The work required for the Stimulus package would count for all of the work us Talkbackers do COMBINED.
Take it easy, alright. Fifty days in, he has done more GOOD than Bush did in eight years.
Now, this isn't to say that I like this talk-show move. In fact, I greatly dislike it. But we all have to realize that one of the things that Obama does right is get that communication between America and it's administration is important. He is trying to keep that going, with Youtube and outlets such as that. This is something, I would venture to guess, along the same lines. I respect it, though I think that it may be much. Not because he will do or say something wrong, but because it will be taken in the wrong spirit, as it CLEARLY is being taken wrongly in this very talkback.
Anyways. Hate me. Give him some respect. He is YOUR President.
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What's in the stimulus plan that goes to fix Bush's fuck ups?
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That "barely inarticulate foreigner" is our president. And it's not his fault that you're a mouth-breathing, pathetic little twerp who couldn't get laid in a women's prison.
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Mar 16, 2009 6:10:42 PM CDT
Pay no attention to those Bushisms from the past 8 years...
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Don't criticize a President based on how he talks...
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Mar 16, 2009 6:11:42 PM CDT
Just another fucking celebrity with no fucking clue about real w
by somashine
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I really don't want to watch Jay Leno interview anyone.
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What were you going to say? I need to know!
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where this country is at in 2012. I bet its going to be a lot better on multiple fronts. Economy, healthcare, education, energy. Things Bush and his crew didnt give a crap about and still dont. Obama going on Leno to talk about the economy is kinda silly but also brilliant. He'a actually interested in communicating with the American people, something that should be normal but isnt after 8 years of flyovers, war justifications and texas talk with no substance. And look, i know republicans want to hit back at Obama and match the anti-Bush fervor and republican demonization but you really cant yet. Its too soon. Save your powder until it matters. BUT if and when things get better, whining about 1% of things will only cemented your party's further demise. You have been warned. This country will thank Obama and that just kills you because you want a great Republican leader to save the day. I put it the talkback - Name one thing Bush did that had a postitive impact on today. Being a former Republican, I am ashamed of the paths this part has taken.
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Not much. The stimulus plan is what it says it is: a stimulus. It's intended to inject money immediately into the economy, create "shovel-ready" jobs where possible, and restore a modicum of consumer confidence in our faltering economic situation.
The larger question of how to fix Bush's fuck-ups aren't really part of the stimulus package. The proposed budget on the table now is the first step to doing that. It restores fiscal sanity to the budget (instead of pretending to be surprised by continued costs in Iraq and Afghanistan, as Bush did, it factors them in the budget.) And, of course, it realigns our tax priorities, giving 95% of people a tax cut while bringing the tax rate on the top 5% closer to where it's historically been (although -- remember -- they're still paying less than they did under Reagan. We're hardly at the brink of massive forced redistribution.)
The next step is developing a more stringent regulatory regime over the behavior of investment banks and other Wall St. players. A good bit of this can be done by just enforcing the laws we already have on the books. But, remember, we're only two months in -- we have a ways to go yet. -
Mar 16, 2009 6:19:34 PM CDT
Hows that "Change" workin fo ya? And it ain't just Bush folks..
by conspiracy
Lets see....
Obama promised immediate draw down in Iraq...now he is basically following the Bush 18 month plan...and not promising to abandon the approximately 2 dozen bases we have built there either. He has taken the idiotic Bush Bailout and extended it...not only to mom and pop moron who knowingly bought a house they could not afford...but also giving another 700+ billion to his benefactors on Wall Street, and the morons in Freddie and Fanny. Ahhh...the "Peace" president and Afghanistan....14,000 new troops, with an option to transfer 20,000 more from Iraq and yet more armed incursions into Pakistan...I guess he didn't learn from the Russian experience, or the British, or any number of countries and empires who broke themselves in attempts to pacify these people. Iran..No option off the Table...So, it is ok for the US and Israel to do nuclear research and power...but not Iran; a country who I might add, is unlike the US or Israel in that it has not attacked another country unprovoked in the last hundred years. Yep...trading Bush and his his National Socialism "lite" for a Socialist Nationalist Nation builder...thats Change we can believe in alright. Someday...hopefully before this country is destroyed you nitwits will realize that Bush, as bad as he was, wasn't the problem, nor the cause of all this...but rather Government itself. Americans trust it too much, the believe in IT and not in themselves, they actually think it is here to HELP them and that it SHOULD. ALL Government is bad..Bush, Obama, the morons who set the domino falling decades ago...men who in their rush to do good trample your rights, take your freedoms, and steal your labor in the name of the common good. -
And there's more to come.
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if you think these "Jobs" will create confidence in this country you are mistaken... A foreign investor see's government jobs as nothing but a tax burden on those who produce. A bridge may put a guy back to work...but it, and the workers salary produce nothing, Other that the government sap it creates no wealth, it generates no product, it does not appreciate, it holds no more value than the bridge it replaced, it in fact cannot even support the job it created...in short, it and the job it created are a tax on those who risk and produce goods and services. China understands this...which is why they are not buying this "Bailout" Only by disposing of debt, lowering consumption, liquidating bad investments and debt will REAL stability happen...as as long as the Morons in D.C. try to keep the bubble inflated this will never happen and things will only get worse in the long term.
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Is this what conservatives really think and say behind closed doors and internet forums? Pretty ugly stuff. My faith in humanity hasn't sunk this low since I read the yahoo user reviews for Watchmen.
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not only of your neighbor but of tens of thousands of innocents world wide? Is this the true face of what passes for a Liberal? Stalin would be proud.
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Too late, unfortunately. Although I find it encouraging that most of the posts in this TB indicate such, it was something I wanted to be wrong about post-election day.This election wasn't Democrat vs. Republican. It was liberalism vs. socialism and the latter won. You do the math.
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Obama smiles and then Jon suddenly forgets he's a wee comedian and does his "this is not a joke" horseshit. Humble comedian my ass, just get Stewart to host a pundit show like Cramer since Stewart doesn't care for comedy anymore.
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Your name suits you
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DAMN TRICIA HELFER IS HOT!
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Anyone who seeks power should raise suspicion.
We had two options: more of the same in traditional garb or more of the same in a nifty new disguise.
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"A bridge may put a guy back to work...but it, and the workers salary produce nothing." You mean, other than the bridge? Investing in our infrastructure is hardly wasting money. The work done by the WPA in the '30's and the highway bill in the '50's is still paying dividends. Going into debt to build schools now is cheaper than building prisons later, etc. etc.
China is making noise because they can. But, in the end, their economic situation depends as much as on the continued value of the American dollar as ours does, and they're not going to rock the boat. (For an elegant explanation of why, see James Fallows in the Atlantic Monthly: http://tinyurl.com/2txjuj)br />
Where I think we would mainly disagree, conspiracy, is that I really don't buy that the absence of government creates some edenic utopia where individuals flourish. The worst-case-scenario is strongman rule will rise to replace what we've got. The most likely scenario is what happened during the Gilded Age and, more or less, under Dubya (see above posts): corporate oligarchy. Either way, government isn't the problem.
Nor did government create our current situation: As I've said several times now, that would be due to the unregulated behavior of financial institutions, who got greedy and gambled with money they didn't have on assets they didn't own, mainly because they could. -
"he has done more GOOD than Bush did in eight years"Whowhathow? What good? Mexico City? Embryonic stem cell research? I disagree with both of these, but at least I can kinda read into how some misguided yet goodwilled others could find "goodness" in them. Don't understand how keeping rendition is good. Don't understand how printing money is good."one of the things that Obama does right is get that communication between America and it's administration is important. He is trying to keep that going, with Youtube and outlets such as that."Like upholding his campaign promise of transparent legislation?"Not because he will do or say something wrong, but because it will be taken in the wrong spirit, as it CLEARLY is being taken wrongly in this very talkback."The criticism has been mostly one-sided for years. Joe Biden is a walking, talking, breathing and CURRENT example of this. Fear not."Hate me. Give him some respect. He is YOUR President."Since when did debating become hating? As the Sec of State said, "We are Americans and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration."
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Banzai wrote: "What if they took just $1 Billion...and gave every financially responsible/legally residing person over 18 yrs. old - $1 Million?"So you're saying only 1,000 people in the United States are financially responsible, legally residing persons over 18 years of age? (Then again, seeing the current craphole this country has become, maybe that's not so far off the mark.)
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...is a complete and utter idiot who knows nothing about the medical field. But, then, that's pretty much true of all Bible-thumpers.
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After Bush you're going to be out of power for a long time.
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Anyone who is going to judge Obama on this brief, brief period of time (we haven't even hit the ol' "first 100 days" for chrissakes) - and especially given the unprecedented situation he inherited - is fuckin' nuts.
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Especially when politics are involved. None of you, not one single person here on this talkback is a Democrat or a Republican or an Independent.
Everything those political parties claim to be is a lie. It's purposeful division by the corporate elite (divide & conquer) that serves NOT ONE citizen of this country to better circumstances, put food on the table, educate a child, or preserve liberty.
You say you're a Republican. You say you're a Democrat. You say you're an Independent. But do you honestly believe that, at the end of the day, the ideologies of any of those political parties truly reflects upon you as an individual?
Nothing will change if it's always Democrats vs. Republicans, with no middle ground (when obviously between two points there must always be an attainable center). Look at what you're political parties say they represent. Look at what they actually achieve. Disparity is the only landscape. -
frickin' incensed
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to fix all the royal fuck-ups that were left for him.
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The Tonight Show anyway? Obama's clearly not aiming at the AICN talkbacker set here, he wants to address Middle America.
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It would've been more entertaining with McKKKain and Hillbilly from Wasilla in the WH, of course, with Limbaugh as Treasury Secy letting corporations crumble from coast to coast. America could've used a nice Depression, but alas.
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Leno needs something memorable before he turns over his crappy shell of a once-great talk show to someone more deserving of the job, and Obama gets to do the only things he's ever accomplished in his alarmingly short political career...namely campaigning, spurting feel-good platitudes, and demonizing the free market.
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Mar 16, 2009 7:28:32 PM CDT
BY THE WAY, PALIN BEGGED FOR $115 MILLION IN EARMARKS
by bringingsexyback
So much for the reformer!
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This reminds me why I usually avoid TBs that aren't about movies or TV shows.
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Mar 16, 2009 7:30:47 PM CDT
THE BEST THING ABOUT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SO FAR ...
by bringingsexyback
Watching the Republican Party cannibalize itself on a daily basis.
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Still hoping for a change from big government and absurd spending. Maybe next time...
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Anyone understand that the President is working by going on Leno? He's selling his economic stimulus package to the people. You really think it's about just stopping by the Tonight Show and taking a break from real work? I can't help but think how many of the naysayers on here have Republican parents. There's no way anyone can naturally come to these conclusions without being raised to think that way.
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Btw, how early do you need to get in line at Burbank to get tix to the show? http://twitter.com/fumikehcu
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He deserves a break. By this time in the first Bush Administration, Dubya had already spent 2 weeks chasing possums in Crawford.
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I bought into that anarchist "they're both the SA-A-A-A-AME" bullshit big time eight years ago...boy, did I learn something in the time since.
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the man inherited a TRASHED economy from years of your FAILURES and the failures of the Republican party. give the man a gad dam chance you pathetic losers. you LOST, you are irrelevant, we don't give a shite what you think and you can go on complaining and pissing on the floor of your parents' basement. the man is more popular than any of your fat, mouth-breathing heroes will ever be and it just eats you up, doesn't it? pathetic, whining creeps. LET THE MAN WORK AND STFU.
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Guy made a career out of sticking it to his own party, but the moment he runs against the popular new kid he's branded with names like McKKKain and suggestions that he's gonna die in office and leave a governor of a hillbilly state in charge (We didn't seem to have a problem with it in '92 and '96, did we?). Oh, and if a Treasury Secretary Limbaugh would have allowed failing banks and auto companies to rightfully crumble, I'd vote for him if I could...can't be worse than the tax cheat we got in the position right now. His mouth opens and the Dow drops three hundred points.
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Mar 16, 2009 7:35:25 PM CDT
BY THE WAY - STEELE AND JINDAL ARE DOING A HECKOVA JOB
by bringingsexyback
The Repubs will rise again!!! (in 2090, maybe)
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Mar 16, 2009 7:39:40 PM CDT
The assholes who are hating President Barack Obama...
by leafar the lost
...on this talkback need to shut the fuck up! The only thing that Obama has done is prevent the United States from slipping into a Depression. Thats all. The pieces of fucking crap here, like Banzai Rootskibango and Arcadian Del Sol, are the first to hate Obama, and when they are on the streets, they are the first to beg the government for help! FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES! You want to cry about the stimulus and call Obama a Socialist, but you are the first motherfuckers in line begging for help! You want to know why Bush never appeared on the Tonight Show while he was president? Because he knew the audience would boo his ass off the stage! Barack Obama will save America and start rebuilding it from the damage that Bush did, and the same mother fuckers will still be complaining, but they'll still be taking the motherfucking help from the government! You motherfucking hypocrites should all go live in some other less Socialist country and you will be begging to come back here! Where is Bush now? Where is your God now? Did his tax cuts make you all millionaires? Oh, you are getting unemployment checks? Did the Liberals throw your ass on the streets, or was it the Conservatives? Don't call Obama a Socialist now, and then beg for help later! When you become homeless, stay that way! I never met a Conservative homeless man.
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That's why the Republicans lost. Americans don't want America taken over by Societe Generale, Deutsche Bank, UBS, Renault, Fiat and fuckin Hyundai.
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I'd just be happy for some good ol' fashioned accountability and honesty from people we put in power and make decisions that affect our lives.
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"Vote for Limbaugh" ROTFLMAO.
Didn't your parents ever warn you? Never trust a junkie, man. That's not a talk show...he's running his jaws, hustling his next fix.
Guy can't control his weight without oxycontin, and you want him in charge of the nation's money. Funny shit. -
I notice there's this "your man Bush" comment to imply that all Republicans liked the guy. I thought Bush was one of the worst US Presidents in history and I have no doubt Obama will not be far behind. Watch him get flushed out of office in 4 years. Unqualified to be President, just like Bush was. Obama can speak well & read a teleprompter better than Bush could, but I'm not sure if he's actually smarter....
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Love the delivery of that line, "Sock it to... meeeee?" I'm pretty sure Nixon didn't even own a TV.
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Both sides. Idiots.
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You mean approving massive, pork-laden spending bills disguised as economic stimulus and shoving DMV-type national health care down our throats? No thanks, I think I'll rail against that until I'm hoarse. The last guy got shat on and branded an idiot from day one until he left office, I'm sure the new kid can handle a bit of valid criticism.
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Rumor is the the Battlestar Galactica finale screened in NYC today, and not an ounce of scoop? No spies in attendance?
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Actually I don't want government in charge of our money at all, but that's an entirely different argument. I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness that we have a tax cheat in charge of the Treasury. Limbaugh's no more qualified to be Treasury Secretary than Obama is qualified to be President.
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Had you taken the time to read Obama's books as some of us have, you would know that Obama is a former cocaine user. I dislike Rush, yet realize what he did doesn't begin to compare, let alone hold up your statement.
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Bwarmy Fwank allowed the bank to cwumble.Democwats have been watching Michigan cwumble for years.
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Mar 16, 2009 8:07:04 PM CDT
Leafar the Lost, re: "I never met a Conservative homeless man"
by immortal_fish
And you likely never will.Funny, that.
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I've seen some talkbackers talking about Obama wasting taxpayer money to come to do Leno. First off, the prez is gonna be busy as hell. he's got a townhall meeting in Costa Mesa (that's Orange County for you non Californians) that is open to public. then he's gonna speak at a factory in Pomona (non public) and then a townhall meeting in Los Angeles that again is open to public but the tiks well be chosen at random(and the venue hasn't been made public yet). somehow, Obama was able to squeeze in the leno appearance. and just because I am a "bleeding heart liberal who believes everyone should have abortions", we In LA hardly get presidential visits (Bush avoided LA like the plague), and its awesome that Obama is providing an opportunity to the public to attend these townhall meetings. usually a presidential visit consisted of hotel, and then some private party for campaign donors, and adios!
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So with a trillion dollars in debt, why would any sane man go into debt by several trillions more?How much more money must we throw at the banks before we realize that it ain't going to work?
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You're right. Trying cocaine a few times as a young man in no way compares to being a self-confessed Oxycontin addict and buying "hillbilly heroin" 30,000 pills at a time. I'm glad you understand the difference.
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Mar 16, 2009 8:15:25 PM CDT
Glad to see there aren't more pressing matters afoot....
by bizzarrogeorge
than to appear on a late night comedy show.
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"PALIN BEGGED FOR $115 MILLION IN EARMARKS"How is that possible when, according to Obama, the bill had no earmarks in it?Are you calling Obama a liar?
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Obama never said the most recent spending bill had no earmarks. Rather, much was made of the fact that it was haggled out before inauguration day and that Obama would prefer future bills have less in the way of earmarks therein.
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Rush doesnt have a teleprompter
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Obama isn't going on the Rush Limbaugh show because it'd be a waste of time. As the old saying goes, "Don't waste your time wrestling with a pig. You just get dirty and the pig loves it."
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"Trying cocaine a few times as a young man"It amazes me how you apologists try your best to whitewash. Instead, why not just write about how he didn't inhale? Do you have any clue how many lives are destroyed for each quarter gram that is ingested?The abrasive, pompous Limbaugh certainly did commit a crime. Playing games with doctors to get more prescriptions of a controlled substance is horrible, but it simply doesn't measure up. I'm saddened you don't understand the difference.
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He campaigned on a platform of "Hope" and "Change", but has delivered the same old lying politician bullshit as every other candidate - including his rival John McCain.
Obama has managed to perform on a level equal to the likes of George H.W. Bush. Remember "read My Lips... No New Taxes"? Well, that is right in line with Obama's promise to veto earmarks, only to have him sign more earmarks into a spending bill than has ever been put to paper before. Way to bring the change, doofus.
The one thing he is keeping his promises on is to turn the USA into the USSR through a complete socialization of the country. He campaigned on that platform and the dumb fuckers voted him in on it. Well, bend over! Here comes Uncle Sam and he's hungry for everything you have. -
No... wrong, Mostholy. I remember what I heard during his first address to the nation. The man said, "No earmarks," in plain English.Why waste the time digging up a link on YouTube when you won't admit and you're fully capable of doing it yourself anyway?
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for your children and grandchildren. Cut the deficit in half? Sure, no problem. Inflation will take care of that because before long the dollar will only be worth half what it's currently worth. And oh, by the way, he's talking about cutting the deficit in half - back to 2008 levels. He managed to double the deficit almost overnight. What a genius.
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that was some must see tv back then
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It will be a fun day at the old Stock Exchange, that's for sure. DOW 5000, anybody? 4000? HOw low can we go? A little bit lower now... Our president is doing the Limbo Rock with our economy.
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Save the Nancy Reagan-style pearl-clutching for the cheap seats. Obama didn't destroy any lives by trying cocaine a few times as a youngster. Grow up.
What lives are destroyed by the cocaine trade -- be they addicts, victms of violence, or exploited residents of the third world -- are mainly due to the idiotic and draconian war on drugs perpetuated mainly by the GOP. They've criminalized a medical problem (addiction), grotesquely overinflated the street price of the drug, and otherwise made the problems adherent to cocaine use/abuse much, much worse. None of that is on Obama. -
Indeed. Obama plans to cut the deficit -- in 2013, one year after his supposed reelection, of course -- he plans on cutting the deficit by the exact same amount he raised it this year.I know people listen to HOW the man speaks, but can they hear WHAT he is saying?
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/15/obama.earmarks/index.html
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What Obama said is it's time for the earmark system to go. He never said the current spending bill was devoid of earmarks. If you can't tell the difference, you're just being fatuous.
Also, snake, if China dumped the dollar, all of their assets on paper would become meaningless. They're as invested in the dollar as we are. See the Atlantic link I posted earlier for the explanation. -
and parties at the white house every night at our expense
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At first I found it annoying, but now I'm loving it! Obama crushed your balls and Limbaugh has castrated your Poobahs. As a result, you guys are just drones. No rhyme or reason, you're just doing dronin' on.
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"Obama didn't destroy any lives by trying cocaine a few times as a youngster. Grow up."Two can play that. Limbaugh didn't destroy any lives by using--erm, ah--'trying' oxycontin a few times several years ago either. Grow up yourself."mainly due to the idiotic and draconian war on drugs"No kidding. Only the perpetuation isn't done exclusively by one side.Oh! You don't realize that you're typing your Soros inspired tirade at a Libertarian, do you?Granted, none of this may be on Obama exclusively, but he owns it as leader of his party, which in turn helps create and enforce drug laws. You aren't so naive to think that the teacher's union with their "don't do drugs" shtick is in bed with the republicans alone, do you?
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"The truth is, our earmark system in Washington is fraught with abuse. It badly needs reform — which is why I didn't request a single earmark last year, why I've released all my previous requests for the public to see, and why I've pledged to slash earmarks by more than half when I am president of the United States of America." Barack Obama, September 22, 2008
"Absolutely, we need earmark reform. And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely." Barack Obama, September 26, 2008
"But when they start characterizing this as pork, without acknowledging that there are no earmarks in this package — something, again, that was pretty rare over the last eight years — then you get a feeling that maybe we're playing politics instead of actually trying to solve problems for the American people." Barack Obama, February 9, 2009
"I'm proud that we passed the recovery plan free of earmarks." Barack Obama, February 24, 2009
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
In the Omnibus Spending Bill currently being debated in congress there are over 8,500 earmarks for a grand total of more than $7Billion, at least one of which an earmark sponsored by Obama himself. An earmark for $7.7million for the Carl D. Perkins Career and Technical Education Program remains in the Omnibus Bill.
Here's the thing, either you
A) voted for a guy that is too stupid to know what earmarks are, or
B) voted for a guy that said he would veto earmarks and then signed a bill into law that pretty much contained more earmarks than ever in the history of spending bills - which means you voted for a big fat liar who is no more the face of change than his rival John McCain. Either way, he just screwed you along with the rest of us. Feel better?
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Mar 16, 2009 8:45:44 PM CDT
Mostholy, and if you have a problem with the war on drugs
by immortal_fish
Why fault Limbaugh?
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Mar 16, 2009 8:46:28 PM CDT
"He never said the current spending bill was devoid of earmarks"
by immortal_fish
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Why the hell aren't some of you running for office in your respective districts? I mean really, you all have this shit figured out already. Why even elect a President, congress, or senate? Shit, just come here to AICN talkbacks and we'll solve the world's problems. Oh, you guys don't know SHIT!?! You can all have your opinions, sure, it's our fucking 1st amendment right, but why bust a guy down after less than three months on the job. I bet it took you longer to master the fryer at McDonald's than it's taken Obama to master the thousands of shit he has with his new job. Do any of you watch Meet the Press, or Larry King? NO? Really? Shit, I guess Obama needs to find another way to reach those of you who DON'T watch those political shows. I promise, Obama going on Jay Leno is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to him getting his message across to the American people. You'll get used to it, and in the next election cycle you are going to see that strategy used MORE and MORE. Obama isn't better than Bush, but he's certainly not worse.
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And by that I mean holey. Full of holes. The dude campaigned on reform and change. Earmarks were just one facet of that change. Then he signed a bill into law that was more filled with pork than a sausage factory on slaughter day.
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http://tinyurl.com/dcwrbb14 seconds in Mostholy.
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By your logic, Kerry stole your thunder in 2004."Obama isn't better than Bush, but he's certainly not worse."By your logic, isn't that setting the bar AWFULLY low?
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Caffeine. Sugar. Alcohol. Together those three drugs contribute to more deaths annually than cocaine, crystal meth, and heroin combined.
Two of those things we start pumping into our kids by the time they're toddlers.
Yet marijuana is illegal?
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I didn't/don't fault Limbaugh for the War on Drugs. It was you who argued that Limbaugh's painkiller addiction "doesn't begin to compare with" Obama's youthful experimentation, as if the latter were somehow worse. My point is, if we're going to start the judging, then Rush being a junkie is obviously a bigger problem.
My anti-drug war remarks aren't any more Soros-inspired than they are Buckley-inspired. They're common sense. But, please, save me childish "pox on both their houses" libertarian talk. If anything, it was your guys' philosophy -- and the utter lack of regulation in the financial sector that libertarians espouse -- that got us in this current mess.
As for earmarks, I'm not sure what's so hard for you and snake to comprehend. A spending bill was hammered out before Obama's tenure. Obama made clear his opposition to earmarks, but agreed to sign a bill that preceded his taking office. If you think that's some huge capitulation on his part, fine. I think that, again, it's common sense, particularly given that his no-earmark provisions have only recently been outlined. We have bigger fish to fry. -
Mar 16, 2009 8:57:34 PM CDT
This talkback is the first I've heard of The One's cocaine use
by soylentmean
How is this possible? How was that not dragged out into the spotlight, um, I dunno, like two years ago?
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It was. You just missed it. http://tinyurl.com/y269q8
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thats why he's safe talking to the president. He wouldn't know a tough question if the country, nay, the world depended on it.
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I guess the upside is that if he's shooting the shit with Jay he can't be busy selling the next couple of generations into economic slavery.
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A two year old article that should have spelled political doom is merely a forgotten, two year old article. So many possible variables as to why this wasn't taken advantage of by the Republicans. Hell, it should have been McCain's death rattle:
"But he took cocaine! Cocaine!"
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people expect Obama to fix all the country's problems overnight
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to support that noggin.
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Oprah said so. And if Oprah says it's so than it is most assuredly so. Surely The One should be expected to fix all of our problems not just overnight, but in the past, before the problems even emerged.
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Then he demonstrates the many practical uses for one of FEMA's millions of plastic coffins by dragging an unsuspecting audience member up onstage. The audience member thinks he's going to meet the president, but is instead walked up to the open coffin, shot in the head, dumped in the coffin. Leno plops the lid on the coffin and mugs at the camera.
"We'll be right back, after a word from our sponsors. Except this guy. He's not coming back." -
It's not Bush vs. Obama, or Obama vs. America. It's Obama/America vs. A Shit Sandwich That America Has To Eat For The Next 2+ Years Due To Previous Administration's Failed Policies. History always tells a different tale. Bush may be hated right now by a lot of people, but history will always be the judge. 10 or 20 years from now, historians will look at the 8 years the Bush Jr. administration held office and I guarantee that the picture will be prettier to look at. Was Bush that bad? Was he even good at all? Well, he did something right, he got elected not once, but twice! I never voted for him, and I'm very glad he's out of office. But if the bar is set "awfully low" it's our own fault. Americans have forgotten that our government is controlled by the people. They might not be doing their job, but we certainly aren't doing ours.
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stop watching entertainment tonight for more of the great celebrity president and actually read up on news laws he's passed.
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You don't think Talkbacks about "movies or TV shows" don't get "ZERO TO PISSY IN 10 SECONDS"? You must not be reading the same talkbacks I am. lol
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If you think Obama is out looking for an approval ratings boost, you are just plain uneducated and stupid. He's not looking to glad-hand and kiss babies. He wants to communicate his plans for saving our collective asses. It's our need for greed that attributed to our current state of affairs. Buying shit we can't afford. The, "It's how Dad did it. It's how America does it, AND it's worked out pretty well so far." mentality has just fucked ourselves right in the brown eye.
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I never thought he was "the one" and I don't like Oprah
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You done choking on your foot yet? And the reason there is an alarming number of comic book geeks that are conservatives on this site is because comic books are where most conservatives get their information.
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Doubled a 200 year debt in just 50 days! Thanks dumbass!
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Well done guys. Pocketing 165 Million or so for staggering greed and incompetence that would make third world Dictators blush. You've also fucked any further Bank Bailout so at least you've done one good thing and I'd love to hear anyone trying to justify that bonus.
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Now if the rest of the country would just follow your lead...
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Since that's his name and all.
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Time to unleash some Rampaging Black rhino ass rapes on all of you dumbass conservative fuckswizzles.
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"So hey, Mr. President, what's the deal with your birth certificate?"
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If any of the two could be applicable to both parties it would have to be conservative. Because both sides refuse to give any ground or concede anypoints that would differ on their views.
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Ah yes!The floor is yours, sir. Godspeed!
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Mar 16, 2009 10:00:39 PM CDT
Snake Dickskin - crawled out from under that toad shit huh?
by liberal_warrior
Still talking like your head is buried up a dead wildebeasts ass.
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Mar 16, 2009 10:02:39 PM CDT
Liberal_Warrior, isn't that some kind of paradoxical term?
by soylentmean
Kinda like softrazor or ediblepoison. Assfister? I didn't know tu madre was en la ciudad.
If you were referring to my previous post (I'm assuming you are) I only have a problem with "Barry" if he was actually born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and is therefore not eligible to be our president. Otherwise I'm fine with the dude. Just creeped out by his scary cult of personality.
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I voted for Obama and I still support him, I just don't thinks it's right for both supporters and non-supporters alike to think he can fix everything overnight, what I was saying to be exact was Obama has only been President for roughly two months and yet people have already taken a disliking to him
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And I am talking to every last conservative piece of wildebeast shit on this board.
Y'all got something to say to the warrior?
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I yield the balance of my time to liberal warrior.
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Mar 16, 2009 10:08:14 PM CDT
Ya know Soylent, a joke aint funny if only you understand it?
by liberal_warrior
Same with saying it in another language you spawn of an ass raped maggot.
Thank you for responding, you swizzle fuck.
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Mar 16, 2009 10:12:14 PM CDT
I WOULD LIKE TO RUN A BIG COMPANY SO I CAN
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
FIRE ALL EMPLOYEES AND USE THE BAILOUT MONEY FOR VACATION!! HOORAY FOR RICH GREEDY EXECUTIVES!!
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I feel I'm underdressed for this occasion. If I'm the only one who understands a joke, and it's funny because I deem it to be funny, well then it's funny.
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Um, that's not a new development. Half the country voted for the other guy. It's just now people feel like their expectations have not been met. Because they haven't.
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I think I'll watch it so I can chime in about it later.
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Oh, I made a funny I bet you didn't understand. I'm laughing my ass off. Then again, the last defense of the truly fuckbugs like yourself is living in your own side fukked reality where you can curl up into a ball and suck the thumb you just pulled out of your ass and pretend it's a lolipop.
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Liberal Voodoo Time Warp
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Me, I prefer the titties. So, the ol' balls dropped yet? If not, well damn, get some pliers. If so, well then see a doctor. 'cause you sho' do walk funny.
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to form Gaytron (not that there's anything wrong with that). Dude, turn the page, you're stuck on donkey.
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Mar 16, 2009 10:26:44 PM CDT
Yeah, soylent, I heard you like playing with dead armadillo tits
by liberal_warrior
Doesn't make you a tit man, but failing to understand the headline saying the show was on Thursday (when this is Monday) does make you an inbred piece of ass raped macaque shit.
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Gonna make me blush you is, such a toffer you is, blimey ol' goat you.
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Mar 16, 2009 10:33:13 PM CDT
Oh, we hit a nerve. Soylent is (not so secretly) gay
by liberal_warrior
Repressing them ass-train urges, huh boy? Just like ol Zack Snyder, that shit dribbles out. Anyone who immediately uses the 'he must be gay' in order to try and deflect is obviously a repressed individual. Dont worry Soylent, we wont keep your secret!
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Contribute Libby. You can do it. And maybe next time you'll remember that the pull-ups get pulled down before you make the boom boom.
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Mar 16, 2009 10:35:14 PM CDT
The warrior was banned for destroying trolls like you
by liberal_warrior
But I am back now bucky boy.
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Come on twinkle toes, dance for the dollars.
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You can do it boy! Yes you can!
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"The warrior was banned for destroying trolls like you", said the troll most daintily.
You, madam are a troll. -
you can't be too careful. - and that one applies.
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Just busting out with that gay pride huh soylent. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Oh yes I almost forgot -
You dead donkey ass eating maggot -
Trying to insult someone who won't be insulted can be quite tiresome and, being that it's a school night, I imagine mummy or daddy will be coming in to see why lil' ol' Libby is up way past her bedtime.
Tomorrow is pizza day. Libby does want her pizza now doesn't she? -
I dares ya. Oh, I am sure you are just rolling on the floor - but make everyone else laugh. Come on boy you can do it.
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Libby went one whole post without typing "ass", but loses two points for fogetting to type the quotation marks.
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Make the warrior laugh! I dares ya. Come on. Make another gay joke - oh wait a minute they were not even funny except to you.
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This should be interesting.
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to average American citizens is because most of you would have spent it all on pot and video games. I may not agree with all of the stimulus package but giving $700 billion to the American idea would have been a bad idea.
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You seem to want to emulate the man's style, but you lack the substance, the intestinal fortitude, the height, and the penile girth. Get that pump working and show us what you got.
You can engorge a clitoris, yes you can. Just think happy thoughts of people actually caring about your existence.
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If you think I have been trying to insult you! Hah. I was only bitch slapping you son. I aint unleashed the heavy stuff in you because you aint done nothing to deserve it, You are just a tiny turd circling the bowl on the way down.
Now, Brain Robot known as Rowdy roddy these days, he will get both barrels. Stay tuned for that.
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that reminds me of the reparations skit Dave Chappelle did on his show (I can't quite remember what that show was called) where every African American got money as an apology for slavery (see reparations) and completely revitalized the economy with spending.
I can't help but think if every single American got a check from Tio Sam for a substantial chunk of change that our economy would reverse its downward spiral toot suite. -
I've been here for years wee lass.
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Probably due to your lack of upper body strength with the wee little lass arms, oh, and the lack of proximity to my location.
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So it's a sickness. Get in the shed lass, there's nothing more we can do.
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May she be squashed by errant lumber.
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Now that would be one helluva talkback.
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A cheaterhead warmonger for eight years and now mr. Race cardplayer. I don't give a shit if he's got jay z on his ipod. The way the republicans conceded (spl?) defeat so quickly I know something's up. When all the white people start taking off in rocket ships im gonna run out there with my blue-eyed light brown haird kid saying "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TAKE ME WITH YOU! I CAN MAKE WHITE BABIES! I CAN MAKE WHITE BABIES!
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Obama talks shit about Rush, Rush gives an off-the-cuff speech that obliterates anything that EVER came out of Obama's teleprompter. Rush callenges Obama to an on-air debate. Obama backs down. Rush lays out plans for a bipartisan stimulus package in an editorial in the Wall Street Journal, which gets critical acclaim by economists, and Obama backs down and goes along with Pelosi's Porkulus package.
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until then I don't see the president really feeling compelled to debate anyone. Besides, that would most definitely show weakness. If you're the boss you can't show weakness. I'll let Obama's administration reveal just how weak the guy is.
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You said (quote): "If you think Obama is out looking for an approval ratings boost, you are just plain uneducated and stupid. He's not looking to glad-hand and kiss babies. He wants to communicate his plans for saving our collective asses. It's our need for greed that attributed to our current state of affairs. Buying shit we can't afford. The "It's how Dad did it, it's how America does it, AND it's worked out pretty well so far" mentality has just fucked ourselves right in the brown eye."The problem with your statement is that you've got it ass backwards. The REASON Robert Downey Jr's line plays so well in IRON MAN...why it strikes an emotional chord...is because our Dads and Moms and parents, for the most part, DID DO IT RIGHT. They worked hard, lived their lives honorably, they scrimped and saved and they DIDN'T BUY FUCKING HOMES THEY COULDN'T AFFORD, THEN EXPECTING OTHER PEOPLE TO BAIL THEM OUT.The greed of Wall Street and the out-of-control consumerism and credit card debt falls on the shoulders of a younger generation that BADLY DEVIATED from what their parents did. Working hard, but haven't saved up enough money to buy that plasma TV? No prob -- just charge it. What's that? You want a new sound system to go with it but you've already maxed out your credit card? No prob -- just get another card with a fresh limit. Or refinance your home and treat it like your own personal ATM machine. But showing ACTUAL responsibility for the money you spend? Showing actual accountability for the decisions you make, like your parents taught you to? Ahh, fuck that -- it's more fun to just spend money like crazy and then stick the bill to the next guy.So again, Downey's IRON MAN line works and resonates because deep down inside we all know that IS how things should be...that's a lesson more people SHOULD be abiding by...the problem is they don't. Not to mention, the line in the movie works because the film itself pretty much conveys that Stark Industries is a successful company from being managed in a shrewd, sharp way -- again, the total anti-thesis of companies like AIG or Fannie Mae or Freddy Mac.
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The little itinerary you wrote......."he's got a townhall meeting in Costa Mesa (that's Orange County for you non Californians) that is open to public. then he's gonna speak at a factory in Pomona (non public) and then a townhall meeting in Los Angeles that again is open to public but the tiks well be chosen at random(and the venue hasn't been made public yet). somehow, Obama was able to squeeze in the leno appearance"........that's all just public relations crap, nothing to instigate the "change" that his campaign boasted of. And no, im not a republican, or a democrat. Just someone who knows when the emperor's got no clothes
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It really is fascinating to watch the same people who accuse others of being blind devotees to Dubya now exhibiting some of the same blind devotion to our current President. Doesn't anyone find it odd to bash AIG for paying out bonuses, yet no one finds it reprehensible that Obama and the Democratic Congress signed over millions of taxpayer dollars to AIG in the first place? It's like watching a crack addict knock a 7-11 and acting surprised when he doesn't use the money to check himself into rehab.
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I wonder how many presidents have owned crack pipes? Right now I can only think of one.
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...I understood your spanish joke towards Liberal What'sHisFace...because I speak spanish...that's one language more than Liberal Who'sHeWhatNot.
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You can't expect little girls in knickers to understand everything.
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I love that now AFTER being Mr. Doom and Gloom for months on end, who has gone around saying the economy is in SUCH dire straights that the country might fall into a depression SO bad that the U.S. may NEVER recover from it (his words, not mine) UNLESS we spend a kajillion dollars on his favorite Left-leaning ideas and projects......And AFTER tearing into John McCain late in the election season, back when McCain said the "fundamentals of the economy are sound" at which point Obama went around yelling to crowds "How could you EVER elect somebody who says that? Doesn't he realize how bad things are for all of you out there?"......Is NOW the same guy USING THE EXACT SAME WORDS and is out saying this past weekend that "The fundamentals of the economy are sound."So let me get this right, Barack. McCain says that at a time when the market had dropped about 400 points and that made him totally clueless...yet the market THEN drops like 3,000 MORE points under your watch and you say it -- hell, you LITERALLY use the SAME WORDS -- and suddenly it's a 180 degree turn and we should be listening to you. For crying out loud, to say that Obama has turned out to be nothing more than a slick suited, bullshit spewing used car salesman is an insult to used car salesmen the world over. Which probably explains why his new Gallup and Rasmussen poll numbers are down yet again as more and more of Americans snap out of Obama adulation fever that they caught back in the fall and NOW realize "What the fuck did we do on election day? Can't we have a do-over???"
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I am amazed at how completely in the dark most of you are regarding this entire economic situation! ( on both sides of the aisle) There is no one person, or administration to blame. In fact , when you get down to it, these kinds of things are inevitable. Any chaotic system has deviations like this, climate, economies water current patterns. It's just the nature of the beast. But when you really look at who is to most directly blame? It's american citizens. It's us! We are the ones who hedged ourselves too deep into debt with our homes and our "need" for luxury items. We let ourselves be tricked into thinking middle class meant rich , but it doesn't. Sure the CDS stuff didn't help and Madoff...etc but the reason all this stuff crashed is because hte people who let it happen just ran their business the same way they ran their home life. leveraged 30-1 and robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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get a room you faggots! :-)
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and this guy is appearing on late night talk shows with the chin? DOUBLE YOU TEE EFF man??!?!?!?!!!
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Great observations on our consumer society, but you left out the part where the Federal Reserve encouraged the behavior by keeping interest rates artificially low and making money too cheap. Also how the Congress through the CRA and Fannie/Freddie practically forced banks to lower lending standards, encouraging high-risk loans, house-flipping, HELOCs which turned home equity into ATM machines, and an unsustainable rise in housing prices. We Americans may be greedy bastards but the Fed loves its revenue too much to not encourage it.
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are starting to wake up to the massive fraud Obama is. Suckers!!!
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are starting to wake up to the massive fraud Obama is. Suckers!!!
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you sound like the most clueless of the bunch! Use your fuckin head!!!! We were the most powerful nation in the history of the world but the government didn't knowingly allow this to happen??? OOPS!!! WAKE UP. The rich get richer in these situations, the system is DESIGNED to collapse. The Federal Reserve is a private corporation owned by international banks. WE'RE GETTING BAMBOOZLED!!! www.globalresearch.ca STOP BEIN MORONS AND SEE HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS. FUCK!
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www.sprword.com www.infowars.com
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Great addendum on your part and all points that I totally agree with. There are plenty of other parties who deserve considerable blame and condemnation as well (if not actual jail time) for what has happened. And Congress in particular should be put through an investigative shredder for its blunders as well -- in particular, idiots like Barney Frank who only 90 days out from the meltdown were actually caught on camera at hearings (which you can find on YouTube) fucking PRAISING Fanny/Freddie and were telling them they needed to give out even MORE loans to low-income and non-qualified people. Barney Frank is the poster boy for government ineptness and stupidity.But again, it still goes back to the Robert Downey Jr line "It's what Dad did and it's worked out pretty good so far" and the fact that people bastardized and twisted SUCH an easy lesson to learn, the result being that our great grandchildren will STILL be struggling to pay off the debt that Obama and the current Congress are retardedly racking up.
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is that denial or are you guys retarded? connect the dots. Goldman Sachs contributes a butt-load of cash to Obama's pres campaign. Obama signs off on hundred+ billions for AIG bail-out then tries to sedate you monkeys with his bullshit speeches. Goldman Sachs is paid billions owed to them by AIG. Hey fuckheads, Obama isn't fixing shit, he's just a talking head for Wallstreet, his only purpose is to inundate you with propaganda while they openly loot the treasury. HOW FUCKIN DUMB CAN YOU AMERICANS BE
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If the inept and badly run Banks and Corporations went bankrupt then that is a natural function of the Market.
But they weren't allowed to crash because they were too big to fail and their greed and incompetence brought low the entire Financial Sector.
So the part where the Taxpayer has to fund hundreds of BILLIONS into grossly incompetent Corporations, who were only too happy to reap the private profits as their ludicrously overleveredged bets paid off as Record breaking Bonuses in the short term, but burned their own house down in the medium/long term, Where exactly does that fit in to a natural Market fluctuation ?
The moral hazard levy has been breached. Some of these Corporations now think that since they cannot be allowed to fail they can indulge in the same gross excesses of the past and like AIG scoop up the Taxpayers money while taking a shit in the publics face with despicable Bonuses.
Unless the Banks are restructured Zombie Banks will be the norm. Propped up by Taxpayer cash and headed by the same incompetents that got them into this mess.
Private Equity should be brought in to the restructuring as they would waste no time firing the ass of the incompetents and trying to get the Banks into good enough shape to refloat as soon as possible, while those Institutions who are "too big to fail" are broken up so they can never hold the Taxpayer and entire Economy to ransom again.
All those who held dangerous and irresponsible levels of debt made this possible. But the difference is that joe public who got in over their heads are now fucked.
Losing their jobs and their homes because it is the repo men who are coming, not the Government with a few hundred BILLION Dollars of Taxpayers money to feed the inept Banks and Corporations their regular "dose" of "capitalism". -
google video "the obama deception" http://video.google.com/
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Really? That's your idea of moral equivalence?
1) Obama, who has never been anything but honest about the recreational drug use of his youth.
2) Limbaugh, a full-fledged addict who, while in the very grip of that addiction, vomited forth the most venomous and hateful shit, not only about drug dealers, but also about drug USERS. After being exposed his response about the typical conservative double standard? "Yes, but was I WRONG about what I said?"
Fish, are you really that insidious or simply dense?
My God, this talkback is full of complete cretins.
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is the Obama/Rush soap opera, this country is doomed. They are dancing in mountains of your tax dollars while you banter about inane, pointless bullshit.
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Oh, fuck off, you tinfoil-hatter.
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with six men with a bottle of Viagra prescribed to his doctor? Isn't the Dominican Republic known for its sex tourism trade and child prostitution?
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anyone find it strange the first oath was botched and the second had no bible? just throwin that out there. ;)
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So the Republashits could get their time.
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I wasn't specifically targetting you, Doc, I see this going on everywhere. Obama is continuing all of Bush's policies right out in the open, yet the left/right bickering continues! they're both puppets to the same powers.
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for their own profit. NOT a conspiracy theory, it's fact. They print money out of thin air and lend it to ua at interest. can you say global ponzi scheme?
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the democrate would have put kermit the frog for President and kermit would have won the race. point is it didnt matter who the nominee was. they would have won.
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Eight years of their tawdry self-righteous bullshit is enough to choke even the sincerest constitution.
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that and he wasnt bush. He needs to tread carefully. He needs not sound arrogant. or act lethargic when Ideas are called for. He needs to sound optimistic but not recycle old ideas. I am not sure if the bankers will ever see inside of prison cell. Obama is a poltician and all he ever gave america was promises. in a recent poll it showed that he had a poll rating of 80% but buried in the small print was a warning. americans gave him just 2 years to solve their problems. if he cant hell be a one term prez. and all his talk will cut no ice with americans if he seen to be failing.
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Actually, Emeraldboy, he's not nearly that high. From today's AP news:Two months into office, Obama's job approval rating is 61 percent, according to Gallup polling. That number has been relatively stable so far this month but has dropped from the 68 percent when the president took office. The major factor has been a decline in support among Republicans, from 41 percent to 26 percent.A separate poll out Monday by the Pew Research Center put Obama's approval at 59 percent, slipping from 64 percent last month. The Pew poll found that a growing number of Americans see him as listening more to the liberals than to the moderates in the Democratic Party.
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*Dow jumps 1,800 points in 2 hours*
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He didn't use 'em in the debates that won him the presidency.
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I saw it tv in Ireland. So the high poll numbers were during his honeymoon period. People were willing I guess to give him the benefit of the doubt. He had just become the incumbent. There was I suspect a wave of euphoria and a good ridddance to bush aspect to the feburary polls which after coming so close to his victory and his inauguration were going to be very high indeed. There were two words about obama that I twigged early on Constructed Ambiguity. His team of people made it appear that this was a very open guy and you couldnt move with seeing one of his books on the bookshelves or hearing about his speeches or his groundbreaking campaign. It seems to me that we all live in world where image matters. Todays is st patricks day. The mood here is mixed. there is deep anger at what the likes of Sean Fitzpatrick did to ireland's hard fought for economic image. and there was embarrasment the sheer and utter lethargy of our leaders and the squallid nature of the so called poltical debate about current economic crisis. mind you in new york Brian Cowan bagged contracts worth hundreds of millions. An irish commentator based in america said the view that american polticians take of ireland is its bit like belgium. they know where it is. just not that important.
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notice how he wasnt asked hard questions. but then neither was McCain.
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Mar 17, 2009 7:41:25 AM CDT
GUYS, WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE CONSERVATIVES AFTER ALL THEY GOT U
by bushsux
Who else would know better how to get us out? They are expects in wrecking the economy. The Great Depression, early 90's recession, early 2000's recession and now the current sh*tstorm. These guys are geniuses.
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The best way I've heard it presented.
Why are Mickey Mantle rookie cards so valuabe? Its b/c there are a limited number in the world. The same works for dollar bills. If everybody in the US had 1,000 Mantle rookies then it'd be devalued just like when the Fed prints of trillions of dollars. Once everybody has more inflation occurs b/c the prices are jacked so people can make a profit.
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About the swearing in - a Bible is not a requirement; it's a tradition. As for the oath, it does not matter. The Constitution says he becomes President at noon regardless.It's interesting to note that there is footage of Justice Roberts apologizing to Obama at the post-inaugural lunch. Roberts can clearly be seen apologizing for screwing up the order of the words.The whole thing was minor embarrassment in a major historical event. (But don't tell tin-foil hatters like geek molester that...)
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Mar 17, 2009 9:28:28 AM CDT
DANCING WITH THE MESSIAHS STARRING OBAMA, BALE, JESUS, ALLAH
by bringingsexyback
and Bobby Jindal as the season's clown.
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You betcha!
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Obama met with leaders of several veterans groups this week and informed them that he plans to generate federal income by submitting bills for treatment by VA hospitals to injured and disabled vets, so that they can then submit those bills to their own private insurance.
"Hey thanks for going to Afghanistan after I ordered you to go. Sorry about that IUD blowing off both your legs and one arm. Here's your bill." -Obama Bin Laden -
don't be a pawn.. BE A ROOK!
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the only people I ever see dragging out the 'incorrect oath' thing are Democrats, when they say "zomg Repubs are so hung up about the stupid oath being wrong" - but I never actually see Repubs that. I only ever see Dems TALKING ABOUT Repubs doing that.
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HARRY!!!I want you to come on here and defend this slimy piece of SHIT that you voted for, that you campaigned for, that you wrote volumes about.I want you to come on here and defend what this piece of SHIT is about to do to all of our country's veterans who have fought and been maimed so people like you can say and do just about anything you want to do.I want YOU, personally, to explain to me, a veteran, why you voted for this piece of SHIT.I was and am no fan of George W. Bush, but W would have never even thought to do such a cowardly thing, such a LIBERAL thing, such a military-hating thing.And you can bet your fat, ginger ass that the man I voted for, the man who SHOULD be President right now, John McCain, a man who suffered torture so you could be the person you are today, would NEVER do this to the country's veterans.Fuck your sell-out, LIBERAL, military-hating President. Fuck him. He's not my fucking President!!!
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its anti-healthcare. Think about it: tens of thousands of injured soldiers will now be submitting tremendously expensive bills to Aflac, Blue Cross/Shield, etc. - and what do you think is going to happen to those private insurance companies when that massive tsunami of new bills shows up in the mail?
The insurance costs for you, me, and every other hard working citizen will SKYROCKET. It may even bankrupt many insurers.
And once the system is completely bankrupted, Obama will stand amid the rubble he created and say, "clearly this system failed because it was fatally flawed. The Federal Government is going to have to take over the insurance and healthcare industry and run it correctly.
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That is an Obama presidency is focusing on issues that matter to the middle class. Healthcare, education and energy. Issues that weren't dealt with under Bush. The cost of these 3 things all sky-rocketed over the last decade. Insurance premiums and co-pays have doubled and even with paying that, some plans are lacking in coverage and will wipe you out if you get injured or sick. Dont know about you, but i cant afford 800$ a month for healthcare. The cost of college is now astronomical. I cant even imagine if i had kids. And how much does it cost to heat your house in the winter or fill up a tank of gas? 70% of energy is imported from other countries, some of which we are not friendly with and now reliant upon. This also threatens our national security. And when the cost of gas goes up, so does everything that relies upon its use for transport. All of these increases have occured during a time when wages for the middle class have decreased. Now i dont think Obama has all the answers, but i am glad that we now have somebody in the White House focusing on these issues and thinking long term. That is the change.
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Vets would have to pay for injuries they sustain while in the military.As opposed to now, when they don't pay.To ask brave men and women to PAY as well as be willing to sacrifice their lives the height of COWARDICE.Barrack Obama is a COWARD.He is a fucking piece of shit, military-hating LIBERAL coward.And I am still waiting on Harry to come here and explain how "his" President could even consider such a cowardly act. Because I know that the man I voted for would never expect this country's loyal veterans to have to pay for the loss of limb, gunshot wounds, or even fucking dental care.<Barrack Obama is a fucking LIBERAL COWARD and he is NOT MY FUCKING PRESIDENT!!!
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let's face it: he doesn't belong on TV sitting next to fucking Jay Leno. He belongs in fucking DC trying to fix the shit that he so eloquently promised to fix during the campaign that hasn't seemed to come to an end. And whomever stated that they'd rather see him on the Daily Show, fuck off. He'll get sucked off well enough on Leno...perhaps Stewart will be under his chair to "mind the stepchildren" while the human chin works the shaft. Either way, the drooling masses will be once again mystified by his charm and complete lack of substance, poll numbers will go up, once again, only to take another nosedive once he "gets down to business" again. This cycle will repeat itself for the duration of his (first) term. Yes, this nation of morons will elect him again, regardless of what happens.
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Wrong, Arcadian Del Sol. It's been all over the far-right blogosphere - not to mention Glenn "I'm crying!" Beck and Hannity. It's just like the whole "Is he really an American citizen?" conspiracy perpetrated by members of the GOP.
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Obama's gonna take care of our veterans. He pushed to increase benefits and coverage for Vets just last May, which was opposed by McCain and Bush for some reason. www.gibill2008.org So just chill everybody. Just because Fox is taking a negative slant on the story, doesnt mean Obama's gonna let out troops not get the attention they need or get left with the bill. He's going to take care of our troops. It would be political suicide not to do so and he aint stupid.
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Obama taking a few hours out of one day to address Americans in a casual forum, or taking over 400 vacation days in 8 years like Bush and Reagan did? Christ, calm down. I'll bet if another Katrina happens, Obama won't chill on the ranch for a few more days before deciding to look into that levee thing. He's not perfect, but Obama is trying harder than the guy who was there the past 8 years. He could go on the Tonight Show once a month for his entire term and possibly a second and it would be more agreeable than the Connecticut Cowboy playing horsie in Texas for over 1/8 of his presidency.
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Mar 17, 2009 10:15:22 AM CDT
When the economy recovers, the Rightwingers will say that...
by leafar the lost
...Obama had nothing to do with it. In fact, they will say that his policies made the Recession last longer. Rightwingers are so predictable, I can write their arguments for them. They are also idiots, so their arguments are quite simple to understand. As I often say, Rightwingers claim to want less government, until they need help from the government. When the planes struck the Twin Towers on 9/11, the people of New York were not running to private companies or charities for help. They were seeking help from the Government! Yes, the big, bad, evil Government that the Rightwingers say is the Problem, unless there is an emergency, and then it becomes the only Solution. When the economy recovers in a few years, Obama will take the credit, and once again a Democratic President will have saved America from the actions of a Republican President. I hope that America has finally learned it's lesson. Stop voting for and electing Republican Presidents. How many times do you need to be taught this lesson?
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I read about this in the San Francisco Chronicle, which is not exactly what you'd call a "conservative leaning news source" - if the SFChron is calling Obama out on this "bill the vets for medical treatment" thing, then there must be something to it.
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Obama has stopped the bleeding. If McKKKain/Palin had won, our entire banking sector - and in effect, the entire economy, would have undergone a total collapse and there would be rioting in the streets. The Mexican druglords would've taken over the southwest by April and killed Chuck Norris in the process. Russia and China would've surrounded our shores by June.
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He is engaging the public and explaining his policies in a forum accessible to millions of Americans. It's 15 minutes. I for one appreciate his effort to reach out to his citizens instead of alienating and ignoring them like Bush did for 8 years.
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A lot of people are calling for him to be tried for sedition.
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... and funny enough, neither do about 99% of this country, including the COWARD IN THE OVAL OFFICE.Here's the thing, while Bush didn't help the economy, making it worse than it would have been, it still was going in the crapper no matter what.Because of Bill Clinton's irresponsible policies.Here's the thing that no liberal like Leafar wants to admit: what idiots like him call "Reagan-nomics" was actually FIRST championed by President JOHN F. KENNEDY.Yep, true story. It's called deficit spending, which any reputable economist will tell you is the proper way to run an economy.Bill Clinton's humongous taxes were in direct opposition to what was working. In fact, it was REAGAN'S policies, not Clinton's, that made the 1990's economy so successful, and Clinton's policies that has made our economy crappy, aided by Bush's good old boy network kickbacks.Here's the thin, morons... no sitting President can fix "his" economy. It takes about 10 to 15 years to "fix" or "break" an economy.What Kennedy and Reagan championed were tax cuts for corporations, not individuals. Why? Aren't the liberals always saying how "evil" corporations are? Morons.What those corporations do with the money they save is to pour it back into the corporation, expecially in R&D. All of the technological advancements we had in the 1990's? All thanks to Reagan.The crap that's been coming out of Detroit and the many crisis we're having now? Thanks to Clinton for taxing the crap out of the corporations.And what Bush did to make the situation worse instead of better was that he did cut corporate taxes, which is good, but then he went and cut taxes on rich INDIVIDUALS, which is bad. And what those individuals did was to make very risky investments with basically "extra" money they had, helping to lead to the crisis of today, minus of course people like Barrack Obama who forced institutions like Fannie Mae to give housing loans to high risk people (minorities) who couldn't afford them through ACORN.Now, Obama will re-institute the corporate taxes that helped get us to this crap economy, meaning US corporations will continue to fall behind Japan and Korea and China in R&D, and in 15 years, things will be even worse.There is much, much more that goes into all of this, but I have tried to break it down "Barney-sytle" for you average liberal idiots who just don't understand. While the deficit we have now is very bad, the surplus we had under Clinton was just as bad.
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Mar 17, 2009 10:36:39 AM CDT
I THINK OBAMA OUGHT TO VOID AIG'S CDSs TO FOREIGN BANKS
by bringingsexyback
AIG is the only corporation I believe should be dismantled, its businesses and domestic insurance obligations sold off to competing insurers.
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It was long due ...
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great point about bankrupting private insurance companies. I'm not sure this is Obama's intended consequence, but it'll definitely happen.
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"...since BEIG elected" sounds better, somehow.
And why Leno? Jimi Hendrix, Jesus Christ, John Lennon, Bobby Kennedy, and Ella Fitzgerald could all rise from the grave and do Leno on the same night and I STILL wouldn't watch it. Lame choice. -
who are now whining that the 'Blame Clinton Brigade' is still making noise.
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pretty much sums it up.
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You come so close to it but refuse what's right in front of you.. It's in a sphere but not a circle.. Seen but not heard yet deafening.. Give up? Ahh but you already knew it.. my mistake..
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... it has nothing to do with "blaming" Clinton, it has everything to do with blaming poor economic policy.Clinton's policies about about 75% of the reason why our economy is in bad shape right now. I also take Bush to task. You want to go back further in time? Kennedy's policies are why the economies of the late 60's and early 70's were so good.Johnson is at fault for the late 70's early 80's economic downfall, and Nixon helped the economic boom of the mid 80's.Carter is at fault for the gas crisis, which is an example of how a sitting President can immediately harm an economy, like Bush II has done, and also for the recession of the 1989-1991.All of the credit the liberals give Clinton for the 1990's is sorely misplaced, as any economist will tell you. Reagan deserves the kudos for what we had in the 1990's. And Clinton is directly responsible for most of what's gone on now, with the bad loans to minorites who can't afford them (helped by your military-hating COWARD, B.O.) the lack of technological development to keep pace with Japan and Korea, especially with automobiles, etc, etc. And again, Bush made a bad situation worse by cutting the taxes of rich INDIVIDUALS, not just the corporations.And your fucking LIBERAL COWARD? He's going to seriously fuck us over in about 10 to 15 years. Just like he wants to fuck over the wounded warriors of our military now.Where are you Harry? I'm still waiting on you to come on here and defend your fucking COWARD of a President. Your fucking military-hating, liberal fucking COWARD.Or is it that even YOU cannot defend the indefensible?
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Politics is no longer a simple difference of opinion; it's a forum for unchecked hatred and invective. I'm incredibly tired of the headbutting and name-calling. It never goes anywhere. It never proves anything. It never solves the problems. It just generates more asinine talk, talk, talk.
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and fancy yourself the smartest people in the room--nothing could be further from the truth...
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You're oversimplifying. The truth is that the state of the economy is not NEARLY as greatly influenced by the presidential administration in power as people would like to believe it is. It's comforting to have an individual (or specific group of individuals) to point a finger at. Truth is, though, that the current state of the economy isn't really Obama's OR Bush's OR Clinton's faults. What's fucked up the economy for the average Joe on the street is the credit crunch. There's plenty of blame to be spread for why credit is where it is right now. Primarily, it comes from banks who were issuing ridiculous home loans at values so high that the recipients of the loans couldn't possibly pay them on the flawed idea that the housing market was just going to keep going up and up and up and up and up. At a point where I was making approximately $40K per year, I was approved to spend up to $240K on a house. That's nuts. When the speculator's market finally bottomed out in housing, and people were left holding mortgages that they couldn't afford to pay on houses that were no longer worth what they were purchased for, the banks holding those mortgages suddenly realized that they were giving out WAY too much leeway in their credit policies, and contracted dramatically all over the board. As a result, no one is lending cash for ANYTHING in the way that they were during the boom years. The lack of credit coupled with the piss poor savings rate of the majority of U.S. citizens means that all of a sudden, people don't have the money to spend on cars and plasma tvs and jetskis anymore. That means less income for retail outlets, which means layoffs. I guess my point is that it's way too easy to point the finger at ANY political administration for ANY economic situation, whether it's to give it credit for making things good, or to give it the blame for making things bad. The truth is that our economy is not nearly as tethered to our political leadership as that. You do have a point, though, in that people are usually looking in too short a timeframe when looking at causative factors for things.
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Yeah that's right I said it. More where that came from.
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Is that you, Sarah Palin?
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It's either bullshit change or the government is the enemy. This is why I want you guys to just battle it out like the real badasses you purport to be with your intellectual imperviousness. What does this show to anyone looking? That none of us are serious about a god damned thing. NOT SERIOUS! But I'm not allowed to say that as it doesn't fit in one side of the fence or the other right? I've just GOT to pick a side for this bullshit playground fight right? You asshole conservatives right! You dipshit liberals right?Ok, sorry but Grunty is right....this is tennis for booger eatin morons and it's not even fun to watch anymore.You know who I blame?YOU!!! And those fucked up pants your wearing! Weirdo!
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Mar 17, 2009 12:05:27 PM CDT
Obama is also a scheduled guest on the TIM AND ERIC SHOW
by thegreatwhatzit
Why not? Obe loves 'em (Awesome show!") and they may qualify for Cabinet posts--after all, T&E are among Obe's donors. White House, every Wednesday night (Biden, the new Quayle, often gets drunk and imitates Obe's "former" pastor--belly laughs for all).
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at least this time around, its not an Al-Jazeera talk show.
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Loath am I to wade back into this increasingly ridiculous conversation, but your "breaking-it-down" post was just about the dumbest thing I've seen here yet. I'm almost impressed.
News flash: Deficit spending wasn't created by Reagan, or by Kennedy. Try John Maynard Keynes, or, in the realm of govenment, FDR. You seem to be getting your GOP agitprop talking points confused -- where Kennedy and Reagan agreed was on tax cuts. But, if that's the basis for your analogy, then Reagan and Obama are the same as well.
Second, this age of miracles that you deem the '90's to be had very little to do with corporate tax breaks. The Internet was created thanks to public investment in the sciences (DARPA), not because Microsoft and Apple had tax-free years.
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I fucking hate Barack Obama.
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Nobody here is impressed by this bullshit.
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on miitary contractors in no-bid contracts? Oh, that's right. They were busy accusing the Left of being unpatriotic. Ah good times!!!
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unless it's spent on Americans and American infrastructure. When it's spent on foreign wars, they're all in support.
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Expert40 wrote, "While the deficit we have now is very bad, the surplus we had under Clinton was just as bad." Is the #40 in your name your IQ? Are you an Expert at being an idiot? Only some rightwing, neo-con piece of crap could actually believe that the surplus under President Clinton was just as bad as the deficit under President Bush II. "Bushit" leads the USA, and the world, to the brink of a financial apocolypse, and the only thing this Rightwinger can think of is to blame Bill Clinton. Thank God America finally got it's head out of it's ass, and it has permanently shifted to the Democrats. The GOP will lose more seats in 2010, and when Obama gets reelected again in 2012, that will be the final nail in the coffin of the current, Rightwinger controlled Republican Party. Keep complaining, Expert40-IQ...
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Instead of handing over massive ratings to this Rocky Dennis looking, bit stealing, schlock-master-general fag.
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Bush is touched and comes out and admits he suffered brain damage from huffing glue and Cheney knew it the whole time and used it agianst him. Of course Cheney was horribly addicted to smack and needed the war to fund his habit. Clinton later admits he was on ectasy when he blew all over Monica. It's going to happen I have had a vision.
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"The Mexican druglords would've taken over the southwest by April and killed Chuck Norris in the process".
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That's really all I have to say.
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I couldn't agree with your vehement line more. And you sir, are the embodiment of that.
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that if this foul treatment of our Savior continues, Sharpton and Jackson may have to deal with this talkback. Watch yourselves!
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Um lets see, , he signed the Lily Ledbetter fair pay act into law, passed the American recovery and reinvestment act, signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, and signed the order to close Gauntanamo Bay, all within the first 30 days of his Presidency. Now I ask any of you freepers to tell me what Bush and Reagan accomplished in their first 30 days.
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has to say seriously? That is just hilarious. I mean, there's always give and take in debates, but it's stunningly obvious just how utterly opposed to reality the extreme American conservatives are. I feel sorry for the normal conservatives, what little there are left, for being tarred by their association with such nutters.
Also, please can it with the socialism comments, guys. Obama is not socialist. There IS no socialism in American politics, at least the mainstream. Any claims to the contrary are indicative of just how right a country you are, and of how utterly terrified neocons are of other points of view. To such people I suggest doing some research on what socialism actually is, and stop being afraid of the idea of the government actually helping its citizens. The richest country in the world, and yet citizens die en masse because they can't afford healthcare for easily preventable conditions. Pathetic. -
...when you ask him the time. That is, if he deigns to speak with you in the first place AND provided he's not on some self-delusional and hypocritical oxy-contin induced coma. All talking heads are jackasses but lately, the "Right" has the absolute master class clown car of fucking douchebag pundits.
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Mar 17, 2009 1:51:34 PM CDT
I love when Republicans squirm! Makes me all warm & fuzzy insid
by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon
He beat out your lil old white haired grand daddy with technology and he's going to contiue to do it with your tvs. We stood the stank of ol' W for far too long and the people spoke. Enjoy the next 8 years as we fuck up your tax breaks. Man I love when the tables turn!
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...he's crying. Again.Developing...
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Get to work!
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Obama says to the American people that George Bush ran up a $500 billion dollar deficit, and he's going to correct that by running up a $1.7 trillion dollar deficit. Obama says that FISA, Patriot Act, Guantanamo "shredded" the Constitution... but he's in office now and realizes they do not " shred" the Constitution and will be keeping Guantanamo open another year and appoint a taskforce to study the issue just changing the name of enemy combatants to "detainees."
Still think the world changed overnight?
You clowns watch CNN and BBC and think you're "informed".
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...as many brain cells as i can starting in about 2 hours. Happy St. Pat's! HA!
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He'll destroy the World.
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...who keep saying that they should have used the stimulus money to give everyone a million dollars or whatever. Great idea! Except as soon we get the checks, a gallon of milk will cost $10,000 and your rent will go up 1,000% It's called economics, douchebags!
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Bush was more than generous to the Corporations and we know how they repaid this generosity. Corporations aren't "evil" or "good" they are amoral constructs devised to maximise profits. That's why they work in a fair and level marketplace of similar constructs and it's ALSO why they require REGULATION. Because when the regulators fall asleep they can, and as we see have, burned their own house down along with the rest of the Economy for short term profits and bonuses.
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Unfortunately, Obama has to spend a little money to make some. However, unlike W, he isn't racking up deficits just to flush the money down the toilet bowl that is Iraq. Instead he is investing our own country with the hope that increased productivity, job growth, revenues, etc will erase these deficits over the long term. I recognize that some people think this is unwise, but to call it socialism is just using hyperbole to scare people. If someone can point to one policy Obama has proposed that actually meets the definition of socialism ("a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods") I will gladly cede the point to you. It doesn't hold water. It took us a while to realize calling W a fascists wouldn't accomplish much. Start throwing out some legitimate facts and people might listen . . . it won us the election at least.
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But I would prefer Obi to go on Jon Stewart's show to face some tougher questions
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Mar 17, 2009 3:01:01 PM CDT
I love when libs squeel with glee about screwing the country
by darth_inedible
With taxes, censorship and propaganda "for the good of the country". Keep outing yourselves as the worst of the worst guys. We'll all thank you in three years. Hey check out The Page... Another non-American misusing the term neocon. Honestly you dopes are closer to the compassionate, internationalism-lovin' neocons than a populist rube like Limbaugh.
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The talkback crowd is a pretty intelligent bunch, but none of you has a fucking clue whats going on with the economy. This country is doomed, you've been scientifically brainwashed and dumbed down, now the bankers can rape and pillage at will while you lemming argue about their front-men Clinton, Bush, and Obama.
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http://tinyurl.com/dda98l www.globalresearch.ca www.sprword.com www.infowars.com
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- I wish the Obama Administration would stop taking seriously because there is a domestic economy in trouble, North Korea and Iran are performing long range missile tests, Russia is negotiating putting military bases in Cuba and Venezuela, China is bitching about American Debt....Bah! Who am I kidding? It's easier to pick on the "fat kid" than deal with the real issues.
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Barry has had so far. Anything could top Old Media questions like "How do you feel about your father?" or real brain twisters like "How will you deal with the Republicans?" Wow those were ball busters. I'd pay real money to hear Leno ask something like "Every time you open your mouth the market crashes, WTF?" But face it he'll get the same questions he been hit with from "hard-news" reporters. Soooooft balls. How will the teleprompter respond?
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Mar 17, 2009 3:18:00 PM CDT
Obama needs to stop this silly Missile Shield Business
by darfurontherocks
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lockesbrokenleg, you still worship everything either of them says. And you should change that moniker to ShannonsSweatyCrotch, its more fitting for the nutless lib you are.
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Mar 17, 2009 3:20:16 PM CDT
Obama needs to stop with the well-crafted Speeches and Start doi
by darfurontherocks
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...equates to an automatic fail. Alex Jones is nothing more than an easily swayed fear-monger. He's a huckster who has managed to build a cottage industry on speculative reporting and shear paranoia.
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I bet at least half of you were watching while your blood boiled and the exact and precise other half laughed your asses off. We are a nation of Buridan's Asses.Welcome to the Fold! Now would you please pass the JELLY?
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Mar 17, 2009 3:28:42 PM CDT
RUSH WANTS OBAMA/AMERICA TO FAIL BECAUSE GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT
by bringingsexyback
is the logical conclusion to a worldwide economic depression. Like it or not, Obama just saved your asses by thwarting the Illuminati. Ingrates!!!!
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Ban only has one "n". That's "n" as in "nimrod".Man, if you can't even get your handle right...
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The Testament of Barack Obama will rock the foundations of the Mormon Church. He's also going to tap Ginnifer Goodwin's ass.
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Former VP Cheney was fear-mongering on Sunday, essentially declaring that the Obama Administration is not keeping us safe.Whatever happened to what he told the nation to do in the Bush years and supporting your president in a time of conflict?
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"The talkback crowd is a pretty intelligent bunch..."
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i hate rush limbaugh and all the misinformed sheep that follow him.
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Just when I though the right-wing loonies in this talkback couldn't get any nuttier, I come back and the impotent foam-flecked rage is at an all-time high -- now with extra paranoia sauce added.
I am loving every minute of knowing how you suffer under the mind-melting burden of having Obama in the white house.
Keep up the rage and spittle, losers. You unholy scumbags have, at long last, been caught up by both history and reality.
Suck it. Yep, suuuuuuuck it. Hard. -
The symbol of his party
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Seriously, Republicans are evil. You people represent pure evil. You care about nothing but yourselves. You are holding this entire country. You are the dying vestiges of colonial Europe. You have not a single defensible position on any major issue. You are just complete and utter failures as humans. You're going to be irrelevant soon. Then your fat, racist, bigoted bullshit agenda will rear its ugly head in full, and we can finally rub out this bullshit ideology once and for all. I'm sure some fat fuck is going to give a measured, intelligent response to this, and try to make me look foolish for this insane rant, but it's lipstick on a pig. The simple fact is, your positions are evil and selfish, you're a hateful people, and you're going to be left behind.
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So there are going to be midnight release parties for Twilight across the country? If I were president, this would never happen under my watch.
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I was always one to give Obama a chance considering the fact that he's a new President dealing with the huge steaming turd that was left on his desk. And I always thought he was a cool guy, but these tin foil rants on this site are revealing his true power of !AWESOME!tm
Socialist? Coward? Teleprompters? Birth certificates? You guys got nuttin' and I'm just loving these Blaglorious Glenn Beckian rants! -
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!
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Surely you have the objectivity to read posts like...
"Obama's the fucking Anti-Christ"
by scriptgirl_nipple
AS WELL AS
"Seriously, Republicans are evil. You people represent pure evil" by dr sauch
...to realize the wheels have come off this bus.
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I'm not defending the leftist loonies by any means, but the right-wing assholes are out in force in this TB which makes them my primary target. There's also a particular pleasure in knowing how much Obama galls them and how little they can do about it except writhe like maggots on hooks.
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He'll be wearing Abe Lincoln's underwear, too.
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It's funny, but I consider the right wingers here to be the "loonies" and the Lefties to be the "assholes"...six of one, half dozen of the other I guess.
Mindless invective combined with the inability to honestly critique the guy they voted for draws my ire.
Instead we get "nanny nanny boo boo, we're in the White House"
Great. Now what?
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...I'm expecting a rational, civil political discourse on AICN?
That, right there is my first mistake.
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Seriously, Democrats are evil. You people represent pure evil. You care about nothing but your ideology. You are holding this entire country. You are the American vestiges of dying Social Democrat Europe. You have not a single defensible position on any major issue. You are just complete and utter failures as humans. You're going to be irrelevant soon. Then your fat, racist, class-warfare bullshit agenda will rear its ugly head in full, and we can finally rub out this bullshit ideology once and for all. I'm sure some fat fuck is going to give a measured, intelligent response to this, and try to make me look foolish for this insane rant, but it's lipstick on a pig. The simple fact is, your positions are evil and intolerant, you're a hateful people, and you're going to be left behind.
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Why is any opposition to a leftist's agenda attacked like a witch denying Christ at the Inquisition? Did people who were opposed to Socialism in the USSR get warned about being "left behind" by glorious social progress? Calm down you frothing idiots.
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relatively speaking, lol, at least a lot of people here graduated highschool or better, I can't say the same for say, the MySpace boards.
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'nuff sed!
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You don't like it, there's a nice country south of the border who would love to have you!!!
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Nigga please. I am the first to have done that reverse-argument trick during the WTC talkbacks. If you're gonna copy tactics don't copy a Lib. That being me.
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Mar 17, 2009 6:32:10 PM CDT
LET'S TAKE THIS TO 10,000!! IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS BALE
by bringingsexyback
Do you have professionalism in you?
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Mar 17, 2009 6:36:12 PM CDT
As long as he still looks like a Gremlin, I don't care.
by thebearovingian
yes?
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yes?
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but he's human, he's doing his best to govern from the middle, and the problems on his plate are daunting. I support my President now just as I did when Bush was in office. I wish him nothing but success. That would be the patriotic thing to do.
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O dear...
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The guy sticks to the script, that's for sure.
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Mar 17, 2009 6:43:51 PM CDT
This kind of shit is what's really killing the planet.
by thebearovingian
Can you see her weeping?
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Does anyone have a link to any 9/11 talkbacks on this site? I'd be interested in reading them.
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never ends
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I may or may not.
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Here's one: http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/22444
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Something to complete my altar! Brilliant!!
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why do they go ape shit at gun law changes?
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I meant one around the time the event happened, but thanks for trying.
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Full apeshit being defined as ripping someone's face off and eating their hands. True story.
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the FREE Melon scheme?
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I was a mite traumatized at the timeto talkback.
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To those of you who believe that Obama is the Antichrist:
Isn't the Antichrist supposed to appear AFTER the Rapture? So if Obama is the Antichrist, that means you've been left behind with the rest of us sinners. How's all that yummy Faith tastin', right now? -
I'm really stumped over how you sheep can support this guy. He's so full of shit.
University of California $1,385,675
Goldman Sachs $980,945
Microsoft Corp $806,299
Harvard University $793,460
Google Inc $790,564
Citigroup Inc $657,268
JPMorgan Chase & Co $650,758
Stanford University $580,904
Sidley Austin LLP $574,938
Time Warner $547,951
National Amusements Inc $541,251
WilmerHale $524,292
UBS AG $522,019
IBM Corp $518,557
Skadden, Arps et al $510,274
Columbia University $503,566
Morgan Stanley $490,873
US Government $479,956
General Electric $479,454
Latham & Watkins $467,311
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Mar 17, 2009 7:07:51 PM CDT
I see A-C Obama has brought in a disciple of evil on St. Paddy's
by scriptgirl_nipples
in Martin McGuinness.
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Go O'Bama!!
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Mar 17, 2009 7:12:04 PM CDT
GEEK - ARE YOU SUGGESTING MCCAIN/PALIN WOULD BE BETTER?
by bringingsexyback
Seriously, either put up a decent Republican candidate or shut up.
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I can't wait to see all the reactions on folks' faces when people start dissapearing into thin air......
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If you'll be here to witness all the reactions on folks' faces, I suspect you'll be making faces of your own;)
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He says "Just when I though the right-wing loonies in this talkback couldn't get any nuttier, I come back and the impotent foam-flecked rage is at an all-time high..." Notice how he avoids all the similar posts from Liberals in here? But wait, DocPazuzu actually claims to be an INDEPENDENT!!!! HAHAHA. No seriously, even though he only attacks conservatives and leaves Libs alone, he is as INDEPENDENT as they come!! Go fuck yourself you two faced lying piece of repeating cunt shit.
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Is as independent as Jon Stewart.
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Could you get me the number of an internet site for one?
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...is the infamous talkbacker formerly known as Animalstructure, Branerobot, Thunderballs and a whole host of other names.
His multiple bannings have been due to saying things like "Milosevic git a bad rap" and described the massacre at Srebrenica as "breaking a few eggs to make an omelette." He's about as evil as they come and a thorough fascist. -
...that's complete horseshit. Peruse any WTC or 9/11 talkback in the past for simple proof of that.
From Rowdy's point of view, however, he is correct since he views everyone to the left of him as being Communists or Socialists. In fact, he has gone on record saying "there has never been such a thing as a right-wing dictatorship".
He is, quite possibly, one of the most hated talkbackers to ever slime his way onto the boards. The only other talkbacker to awaken equal feelings of revulsion is zfisk, who is Rowdy's left-wing counterpart. -
Our Governor is in Jamaica on vacation while his polling numbers are at an all time low.That makes it... AIN'T PATRICK's DAY!!
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Mar 17, 2009 8:19:51 PM CDT
Obama as corrupt as Clinton; Dems squirming, Bush cools it
by thegreatwhatzit
Obama's populariy polls are sliding (a consequence of the revelations regarding his "hiring" practices and other facades). Ironic that Bush has pledged his support to Obama and declined to criticize the current administration (reportedly, Dems are disappointed; they needed Bush to reprise his role as Lancelot Link/fall guy). The media worshipped Obama (painfully and insultingly condescending, which an NBC journalist admitted); SNL, literally owned by NBC, has resisted Obama jokes so they're leaning on antiquated gags that skewer--you guessed it--Bush. What the hell, SNL hasn't been funny since Phil Hartman. Last weekend's fiasco was unbridled tedium (almost as unfunny as Steve Martin's latest appearance; Tracy Morgan somehow sounds like ALL of his dialgue is written on cue cards).
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...Rowdy's also infamous for being a man-sniffer. "To smell the man is to know the man", is the quote in question, I believe.
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I was against McCain from the beginning (aka when Democrats thought he was cool) until now (aka when Democrats have begun reconsidering his coolness). That was about 2 years ago, AT LEAST.Does this excuse me from being labeled the far-right wingnut republican you paint me to be, or does that grant me leeway given how your 8-year old posts are alleged proof of your "independence"? If it doesn't, well, then, you do the math, Jon.
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I gots mine and he's sitting in the White House.
And yes, DocPaz has been known to bash extremists on both sides of the aisle. I had a feud with him that lasted years. Fuckin ass!!! -
Mar 17, 2009 8:40:00 PM CDT
ON A BRIGHTER NOTE, SHAWN JOHNSON IS LOOKING MIGHTY FINE
by bringingsexyback
I look forward to an entire season of her cleavage on DWTS.
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that does nothing for your argument. He was lambasted by the far right until he picked Palin out of the wilderness.
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"Jai ho!!!!!"
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Palin - Limbaugh 2012
Please, Please, Please, Please -
just like anything said by any Republican anywhere. The party of no ideas.
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Mar 17, 2009 8:55:14 PM CDT
Republicans were too busy having male sex in restrooms
by lockesbrokenleg
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Only someone like you could label a man with an adopted black daughter "MCKKKAIN".But what do I care? He is, like you and the shrub, liberal.
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And, yet, what's so wrong about some man-man lovin' amongst liberals?
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What's with no love for Sherif?
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Mar 17, 2009 8:59:32 PM CDT
BSB, re: "Had he picked someone capable, he might've won."
by immortal_fish
Still getting your news from People magazine, I see.
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You cuntservative piece of sleestak shit! Rowdy Roddy stripper, huh? The Warrior is back, buckwheat - time to rock.
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Even commiess.
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but I guess all dark-skinned people are the same, huh? Racist.
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ROFL
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I see you are still dumber than a ten day old zombie turd.
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I'll have a funny look on my face. But it will be more of a "No fucking way." look, than "Oh shit is it too late to repent?" look.
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This happened during the 2000 SC primaries. Karl Rove was telling all of the wingnuts that McCain is a Nigra lover. That's all one needs to say to win a SC primary.
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And saw that BSB was decrying McCain for adopting a Sri Lankan girl.
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Being right wing and hypermacho does not make you a) Snake Plissken or b) masculine. It just makes you fat, angry, and alone in the basement.
This has been a public service message. -
I want this on a bumper sticker on my truck. BTW: Bush refused to comment on Obama today, saying that Obama deserved the dignity of his silence so close after he left office. I thought that was pretty gracious of him.
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Obama ISN'T even black! - He's a half cast.
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Any president shouldn't have to sit across from Leno at his desk.
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DocPazuzu is one of the many cowardly Liberals who refuses to call himself such. A lot of Liberals, at least a few years ago, would always call themselves Independent, which is a crock. And what is DocPazuzu's oft repeated claim to fame regarding attacking Leftists? Why, he doesn't believe 9/11 was a conspiracy by the U.S. government, and boy does he tell those Truthers off! As for anything else vaguely Leftist, he defends it and/or just attacks the right wing position. His immaturity speaks volumes. I wouldn't really care if he didn't always go out of his way to say how independent he is, which is laughable on its face. But like all good little Liberals, he thinks what someone says is more important than what they do, hence his undying support for the ultimate player of that game, Obama. Methinks DP doth protesteth too much!
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How have you been you racist, sexist, anti-Semite piece of flotsam? You got your candidate in the WH, but he didn't bomb Israel yet, that must make you very depressed.
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So what is life under obama like anyway? My country was run for 8 years by Nelson Mandela, and everyone in the world loved him, could nt stop talking about how he damn near walked on water. And you know what he did for the country? Absolutely fuck all, he was the lamest president we had ever. He was really just a celebrity. That being said when the alternative is the world's biggest fucktard (Bush) those of us in the reat of the world (you know, that other place) will take Obama any day. At least he knows where the rest of the world is...
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so SHUT THE FUCK UP, you blimpish whiners, about Obama.
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I would love to knock some of his teeth out. And Obama on Leno is bad. He shouldn't appear on a lousy show like that.
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I never said I was "independent". I said I was a moderate. As for your buddy Rowdy, the supporter of ethnic cleansing, he's gone on record saying that "there's no such thing as a moderate" so that's not a debate that can be discussed or even won with him since one is either conservative (him) or a communist (the rest of the world's population).
To answer your question, if you did indeed vote for a ticket that included the reactionary creationist moron Sarah Palin, thus being willing to risk her as president of the United States, then yes, you are one of the people I was referring to. -
Let's reiterate, shall we?
1) "Milosevic got a bad rap".
2) The murder of 8,000 men and boys in Srebrenica was tantamount to "breaking a few eggs".
3) "There is no such thing as a right-wing dictatorship".
4) "There is no such thing as a moderate".
As anyone can see, you are neither fit to sit at a civilized table nor capable of rational, critical thought. In short, you are absolute evil scum and nobody in talkback, including most other conservatives, would touch you with a ten-foot pole since your opinions make you radioactive to anybody sensible.
Furthermore, as anyone can see who bothers to read those earlier TBs, I don't only go after so-called "truthers". I've also bashed people like HoboCode on numerous occasions for their outspoken Marxist-Leninist views.
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For your consideration:
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Give everybody a million dollars. lol.
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Shot and killed Two soldiers. shot a police man in the back of the head after a fake call out and injured two pizza delivery men. over the past 18 months dissident republicans have tried to kill PSNI officers. if they were successful it is estimated that 40 psni officers would have lost thier lives. that would have returned Northern Ireland back to the bad old days. and then some. so far the loyalists murderers have been silent. but if dissidents re-launch thier attacks on the british mainland. Loyalists will respond. I have no time for people like MCguinnes and adams and I see no difference between them and the depraved people that shot and killed those Soliders and the soon to be retired policeman or the poor unfortunate pizza delivery guys. Mcguinnes has some nerve to talk about them as traitors. When that is precisely wht he was in the 1970/1980s. and the dissedents regard him as a traitor. those words will rebound on him.
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one of the 12ft blood drinking lizard rulers.
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Mar 18, 2009 4:55:16 AM CDT
MORNING ROWDY - I SEE YOU'VE FENDED OFF THE SUICIDE GREMLINS
by bringingsexyback
Not so great for your mom, but good for you! I'm not depressed at all - just started a new consulting position and bought a great condo at a bargain price. Life is beautiful!
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Mar 18, 2009 4:57:12 AM CDT
O'BAMA'S GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER HAILED FROM IRELAND
by bringingsexyback
Erin Go Bama!
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am I the only one worried by this development... will there eventually be a political paris hilton like sex video??.. oh I'm afraid about the future too!
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piece of crap called Theres no one as irish Barack O'bama. Its a song highlighting O bamas irish roots. dreadfull stuff. and you lucj americans can see the first ever simpsons episode aired outside the US. it debuted in the uk and ireland last night. and you can all see it next week. its called in the name of the grandfather. KNowing he has very little time left to live Abe simpson, has written a wish list of things he wants to do before he dies and one of those is to see Ireland again and to visit the pub called O flanganhansm in Dublin, where he and homer are conned into buying the pub. The episode was very light and the simpsons these days seems to be made on computers because that was the fastest moving ep I haver seen. Funny in places but it did seem a little flat. some of the jokes were obvious. an aireline called Derry air, Software companies called Mick-rosoft Cisk O systems.
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piece of crap called Theres no one as irish Barack O'bama. Its a song highlighting O bamas irish roots. dreadfull stuff. and you lucj americans can see the first ever simpsons episode aired outside the US. it debuted in the uk and ireland last night. and you can all see it next week. its called in the name of the grandfather. KNowing he has very little time left to live Abe simpson, has written a wish list of things he wants to do before he dies and one of those is to see Ireland again and to visit the pub called O flanganhansm in Dublin, where he and homer are conned into buying the pub. The episode was very light and the simpsons these days seems to be made on computers because that was the fastest moving ep I haver seen. Funny in places but it did seem a little flat. some of the jokes were obvious. an aireline called Derry air, Software companies called Mick-rosoft Cisk O systems.
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because we're entering a new dark age. Just switch the plague with the bird flu. You coulda voted for Ron Paul but yall fucked up and elected the new Hitler!
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double post there.
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Once Iran builds two nukes, one will immediately be detonated over Israel. Even though Palestinians have more rights in the Jewish sector than in their own areas, it's (of course), all the Jews' fault.
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But then Mugabe is the black hitler. Putin fixed it so that he is the russian PM. when Medvedevs term is over. Putin says he will stand for a third term. Russian is currently embarking of the biggest military overhaul in 100 years.
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Kids, this is your brain on Rush. Don't listen to Rush.
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Why are we talking about Jews anyway?
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(aka BlackCrippler, AnimalStructure, BraneRobot, ThunderBalls, etc.)I second everything said by DocPazuzu when it comes to this cretin. Due to his so-called "c"onservative values, AnimalRobotBalls would (admittedly) rather live in a world of shit than try to change it. His circular politics, gigantic leaps in logic, and desire to wipe out certain peoples and their religions have produced some of the most repulsive posts/views I've seen on this site.Good fucking morning.
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Fuck off.Know hope.
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Mugabe is a bigot, dictator pig...Putin may be a lot of things but until someone starts implementing systematic mass murder we shouldn't toss the names of Hitler nor PolPot, Mao etc. around too lightly.
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Or are you just talking out your ass again BSB?
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See posts by geek molester and criticalbliss; then note BSB's sarcasm.
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Hard to wade through morass of idiocy on a TB just to cross reference who said what...apologies BSB.
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I thought the economy issue was serious, i wonder if John Stewart will be outraged. This kid is a joke!
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Mar 18, 2009 10:18:32 AM CDT
"There is unrest in the forest. There is trouble with the trees
by skinjob69
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas
The trouble with the maples
(and they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks cant help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade?
There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream `oppression!`
And the oaks, just shake their heads
So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
the oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light
Now theres no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet,
Axe,
And saw ..." -
for this time in history, Lashlarue.
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Well done sir!!! Classic post!
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...Premier Obama doesn't even really NEED to go on 'Leno' (or 'Letterman', or 'Kimmel', or 'Fallon', or even 'Oprah'... though that last is probably inevitable); all he needs to do is have one of those Disney World audio-animatronic dolls set up in one of the chairs, and program it to say things like "Let me be clear" and "We're going to be looking at that very carefully, obviously" and "I'm monitoring the situation" and "I'm not going to tolerate that" and "This is what I was elected for... I won", in order to inspire the assembled agglomeration of random nitwits and sycophants to respond reliably with their chants of "Hope!" "Change!" "Yes We Can!" "Hope!" "Change!" "Yes We Can!" Tomorrow the entire inbred media gibbering mouther will be breathlessly swooning for his already-legendary "performance" on 'The Tonight Show': "So calm!" "So soothing!" "So... Presidential!" And Matthews' leg will quiver again, and Olberman will smile like a giddy schoolgirl getting her dress hiked up by a Jonas Brother again, and 'The New York Times' will print that, after some scattered clouds, yes, it's morning in America, again. And there will be much rejoicing. And no one will notice that, while we were all once again distracted by the lights and the easy grins and the melifulousness of his voice stentorian, all our pockets have again been picked. And our children's, and our grandchildren's. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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In the future, perhaps a hundred years or so, when it is learned that Obama was not a natural born citizen and he knew it by sealing his real birth cirtificate, not the phony cirtificate of live birth which does not have a doctor's signature, everthing he signed will have to be repealed and he will only be remembered as the worst President in U.S. history due to this major high crime.
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I'm going to ask a few questions that I have about Obama. I'm not trying to be incendiary right now in asking them, I really am curious whether there is another side to these that I just haven't yet heard. I have learned a fair amount about what is in the 800 billion stimulus package- it has been harshly criticized by the right as full of pork and special interests and characterized as having little to no actual stimulus. From what I have read about what is in the stimulus package in wikipedia, it seems to me that this is correct. What I see is a bunch of direct job creation by Obama himself (or whoever is writing the bill), which I admit does create some limited and quite temporary stimulation. And these jobs are all in areas that are related to a heavily environmentalist agenda and education. Well that is fine, but these are not most peoples top priority right now, but they seem to be Obamas top priority. Furthermore, when it comes to things like education and energy- these things are not short term goals- they are extremely long term. And I have no idea what long term has to do with stimulus. The word stimulus implies something quick and effective to help get the economy going again- and that is exactly what I would want and what most Americans want I believe. What I would hope to see in a stimulus package right now is something that would give mass incentive to companies and entrepenuers all across the country to create jobs and to build up their efforts. This package does no such thing. So what I see is Obama building up the government by taking it directly upon himself and his government to create some jobs. I feel that he wouldn't have it any other way. As a conservative, it is my view that liberals, and more specifically democrats want as much of the function of the country to fall under direct government control. This seems weak and inefectual in contrast to the private sector. Ok, enough of that, I am also very curious about this I am hearing about Obama putting a cap on tax write offs for charitable donations. Apparently this directly affects those making over $250,000. The figure that I read in an article said something like that a donator who normally would have received 33% back from the government on his charitable donations will now only get 28%. A slight adjustment sure, but what could possibly be the point. There is no obvious financial incentive to give to charity because of the tax break- I wouldn't call charitable giving a tax shelter by any means. Charitable donations are simply charitable, so why punnish such donations? I imagine that a rich person or company giving donations to chartity will be able to give even more because of the tax write off. I imagine that decreasing that tax return will create one of two effects in all cases. Either the donator will now give a little less, and end up with the same amount of money still in his pocket, or the donator will give as much as he normally would have, and take the tax hit. Overall the result will definately reduce the amount of money given to charity in general. Well the conservative in me can answer it quickly with the same answer I had about his stimulus pakage. Because the poor and needy will receive less from the private sector and will increase their dependance on Obama, who is only all too happy to provide. And the government gets a little bigger with baby steps; it gets a little bit more control over the people. Or is there another side of this story that I am not seeing? Finally, I am curious about the Dow Jones average which I watch almost every day, even though I myself am not at all heavily invested in it, but it is a major indicator of the health of the economy in which I am heavily invested. It has declined very steadily and dramatically since Obama took office. He blames it on the previous administration which is not an altogether outrageous claim. However, I don't really buy into that right now, and there will come a day when very few else will either. First of all, what do Obama supporters have to say about this? Are we still in the days where 100% of the blame goes to preObama activity? And finally I want to know, when will the day come where we can attribute most of the state of the economy to Obama and his decisions(or as much responsibility as any president is fairly ever capable of owning). I don't feel this answer needs to be complicated, just a date by which one can clearly say that now we are most definately in Obama's economy and not Bush's. I am no economist, so my guess that by July it should totally be his is just my layman guess. But I would certainly not accept the answer of 4 years from now, and I would also not accept the answer, "well we'll see how things turn out and tell you then.", yeah let's blame it on Bush until the economy starts getting better. Also, is it possible that my scary suspisions are right, and that President Obama has no wish to see the economy improve under the tutelage of capitalism? Is this still a rediculous assumption? Everything that is going on seems to support this concern.
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Mar 18, 2009 12:20:03 PM CDT
Good questions, and here are your answers, Samus...
by theoriginalbubblehead
El Presidente Obama is merely the "front man" for a broad, aggressive "progressive" movement, epitomized by the long-standing ideologies and policies of people like Speaker Pelosi, Senator Reid and Rep. Frank, that seeks to remake 21st century America in their image and in the likeliness of failed socialist-cum-communist states across Europe and Latin America.
These people, all of them, are using the excuse of a synchronicity of plagues upon all our economic houses -- the housing bubble finally begins to burst, the pension fund crisis begins to boil over, decades of graft and poor oversight of the banking and financial sectors cause the entire system to topple, antitrust safeguards appear to have disappeared, organized unions now have the power to explode entire industries, Bernie Madoff, etc. -- to accomplish, in head-spinningly short order, a wholesale reinvention of America. The "new" America will embrace a militantly egalitarian agenda designed to limit the financial independence of ALL -- individuals, privately held companies, charities -- EXCEPT the Government. No one will be permitted to keep their income above a certain dollar amount, no matter their contributions, no matter their ideas, no matter their successes. A "levelling" of incomes will be mandated, keeping everyone out of abject poverty, perhaps, but also preventing everyone from being truly self-sufficient. EVERYONE, EVERYTHING will either be wholly owned and operated, or co-opted and economically dependent, on the Government. This is how the Democrats intend to secure a PERMANENT MAJORITY... Make EVERYONE dependent, and they'll all be too afraid to vote against you.
This isn't so much about "redistribution" of wealth, as a wholesale CONSOLIDATION of wealth. In Obamerica, everything "good" -- incomes, education, health care, retirement, all manner of entititlements -- will flow from THE STATE, and THE STATE ALONE. No one (except for a select few of the "faithful", all friends of and contributors to the modern Democrat Party's success of course) will be permitted actual WEALTH. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. In such a way does America become AMERIKA.
Your question about charitable donations taxes is just a symptom of this progressive plague. OF COURSE Komrade Barack wants to penalize people for giving their own, indepedently earned, privately controlled money to charity -- dis-incentivizing giving leaves all charities more dependent on THE STATE for their funding (note, the President has embraced his predecessor's policies vis-a-vis Government "support" of private, even faith-based, charities. The irony is palpable), and for their survival. In such a manner will charities become just another means for the State to influence and co-opt EVERY SINGLE FACET of our society.
There are plenty here who will disagree with me, of course, call me a zealot, a paranoiac, perhaps even a racist. So don't take MY word for it. Listen to everyone, do your own research, use your own noggin, and make up your own mind.
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Braneballs? Pray tell. How's the smell of pepper spray since your last misguided attempt to "know the man" by smelling the man.
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...again.
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It may seem as if I'm just a radical partisan, myself, marching in lock-step with conservative / Republican / anti-Obama views. I encourage you to make up your own mind about that as anything else, but let me just say this: The Republicans are equally guilty of wrongdoing here, and perhaps more culpable, ultimately. Roughly forty percent of the "pork" in the so-called "stimulus package" was fostered by Republican members for their own personal economic and political benefit. Republican majorities in the House and Senate, and eight years of a Republican Administration that oversaw a frank implosion of the national economy, allowed this to happen, permitted certain banking and financial services companies to operate with no oversight whatsoever, encouraged levels of graft and corruption in governing not seen in this country since the days of Teapot Dome, abandoned conservative fiscal principles, initiated many of the policies and means by which the current crop of radicals will unmake America, and buried it all in the excuse that 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, and the War on Terror made it IMPOSSIBLE to actually, you know, GOVERN. A pox on all of them. We desperately need a Second Revolution (nonviolent, if possible). The Founders must be rolling over in their grave, perhaps from incredulous mirth.
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jonsnow: Give it a rest. He's in office. He's our President. He's not going anywhere. Challenge him in the arena of ideas. Anything else is a waste of your time and energy.
Samus Aran: Are you sure you're on the right site??
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Do tell.
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Bush was a lot closer to the role. Obama is just a narcissist who is incapable of independent thought and is leading the country to further ruin by listening to the same fuckwads who got us into this mess in the first place. He's good at reading speeches, but not really much more intelligent than Bush when the teleprompter is off. The sad fact is that you can't rise to being president in this country without being fundamentally corrupt. The ruling class won't allow it.
People like to compare Bush to Hoover and Barack to FDR and I'd say that's fair, but not in the way people think. FDR ran against Hoover's socialist policies and reckless spending, but then went on to do the same on overdrive. An FDR adviser claimed that most of the programs they enacted were extrapolated from programs the Hoover administration began. Barack (rightfully) berates the spending binge the Republicans went on, but then goes on to outspend them in the course of a few months. Our "leaders" have spent the last six months ensuring that this recession will turn into a depression by scaring the shit out of China and changing the rules every two seconds like some coked up ADD, hyperactive child. The investing class sat on the sidelines during the last depression largely because they didn't know how to play a game with no rules. They'll do the same this time. The Great Depression only really ended once FDR died and investors felt it was safe to reenter the market.
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I'm basically in agreement with you. To your final sentence I'd add: And then we'll all be indentured servants. To China. (Really, though, as if we aren't ALREADY.)
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However, I already have the same conclusion in my head that you just explained. For some reason, the more stuff I wrote got cut off, I guess Aintitcool now has a cap on talkback length. What was cut off explained my conclusion that matches your own, which is that less donation will be made by the private people, and the poor will then turn to the government and Obama, who is all too happy to provide, and this increases their dependance on him- like a chronically weak mama's boy who never left the nest, and never will. I presented this because I wanted a response from liberals, not conservatives. I already know what conservatives would think about all this, and that is because that is what I think. I am curious about the liberal view on this, because I cannot imagine how there is any other way to look at this. And if you come to the same conclusion that I do, the it just seems plain wrong and nasty. I have hated government even since I was a little kid. I am extremely bothered by the waste of tax dollars, and I am disturbed by government taking our hard earned money and using it for more things beyond protecting our borders, policing our cities, building our roads & educating our kids. I really don't understand why people seem to be so in love with government- it's a necessary evil, nothing more. Nothing much more good can come from the government, only waste and paralysis.
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And giggle along.
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Erm, well. Sorry to mess up the plan, there. My bad! [Grin]
The funny thing is, a couple decades back I was a pretty solid lib, myself. I still hold many "leftist" positions, making me something of a rarity -- not to mention, a pariah -- in the modern Republican Party. I'm very much an environmentalist -- a staunch conservationist, anyway. I despise the current union model, and would replace it with UNIVERSAL unionization, the better to give both employees AND employers choices and to put speed bumps in effect that would prevent a SINGLE union from ending an entire SECTOR of the economy. (However, this "card check" notion is flat-out EVIL.) I am against the death penalty. And I'm something of an idealist, still, when it comes to Government. The fact is, the State IS necessary, to help foster a society of opportunity, to help protect the weak and defenseless, to help ensure the promise of a free society is available to ALL. But I believe Government's MOST effective when it combines idealism with RESTRAINT. A society wholly dependent on its Government becomes content, then apathetic, and finally moribund. In short: Rome. Freedom, guaranteed corporately and practiced individually, breeds innovation, charity and even activism, in its own way. But modern Democrats only appreciate the freedom to agree with THEM, to march in lock-step with their narrow ideologies, to donate time and effort and money to what THEY deem useful and desirable and constructive. If I'd been born thirty years earlier, I'd have BEEN a Democrat, and a lifelong one at that. Instead, I'm entering life's latter half a former liberal, a frustrated conservative, and a heartbroken idealist.
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I'm not sure what our relationship with China will end up being. They are clearly indicating a reluctance to keep on lending us money given our reckless spending binge. Sooner or later, they'll be forced to cut their losses and they can afford to do it as they've spent the last few years diversifying their holdings into hard assets and broadening the market for their goods. They'll take a hit, but they know they'll have to take an even bigger hit later if we keep going on our current path.
Once they stop buying our debt, we'll start monetizing it and then it'll be game over for the dollar. As inflation soars, China's dollar reserves and t-bill holdings with plummet in value and then they'll have little hold over us.
I think this is what's behind Obama's ridiculous proclamation that he'll half the budget deficit by 2013. It's all about putting China at ease, as was Hillary's recent trip. I think this is perhaps what's behind Pelosi and Reid's lack of support for another stimulus. They're all quite aware of China's growing discontent and they're all trying to string them along as much as possible. But nationalizing health care may be the straw that breaks the Chinese camel's back.
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I'd like to know where this seething hatred of government comes from? Is it a view cultivated through experiences you guys have had, or is something just ingrained into you at an early age? What did the government ever do to you, and more importantly what has unrestrained free market capitalism done FOR you? Government, as our founding fathers saw it, was OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people. Therefore if you take part in government there's no one to blame but yourself? Want change? Get involved. Run for office. Don't hold up on a compound, real or virtual, and proclaim the evils of it.
Republicans (and Democrats to a lesser extent), particularly in the last 20 years, have filled government positions with hacks and then when things went to shit, proclaimed the government as inefficient and inept. Well no shit. You put a horsebreeder in charge of FEMA and then blame the government for it's poor response to Katrina.
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"To smell the man is to know the man." -- is the now infamous quote delivered by RowdyRoddyStriper and was directed at Moriarty (a result of a longstanding hatred). During a particularly nasty troll run, RowdyAnimalBalls claimed to have met Mori and was, at some point, close enough to make note of Mori's personal hygiene (aka man smell). When Moriarty entered the fray, BlackBraneBalls refused to admit his true identity and how it was that they had met. Fearing that he was going to be on the receiving end of the Ban Hammer, he decided to try and go out in a pathetic blaze of glory and uttered the words we've all come to cherish as one of the most embarrassing moments for a Talkbacker in AICN's history.Yes. RowdyRoddyStriper is a man sniffer.
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When I was a kid, I was a little unknowing enviromentalist in the making, as is probably EVERY last kid, because that is just how a kid does and I guess should think. But as I grew up I started to come to understand the concept of agendas, and I realized that lying about the polar ice caps melting is just as effective as reporting on actual ice caps melting in stirring public angst, and now I simply don't believe anything that can't be proven right in front of my own eyes in person. I guess I just believe everyone that is actually in power and is getting anything accomplished is lying. There are only a few things that I believe are actually true- they ussually come in the form of facts that both sides of an issue agree on.
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When I was a kid, I was a little unknowing enviromentalist in the making, as is probably EVERY last kid, because that is just how a kid does and I guess should think. But as I grew up I started to come to understand the concept of agendas, and I realized that lying about the polar ice caps melting is just as effective as reporting on actual ice caps melting in stirring public angst, and now I simply don't believe anything that can't be proven right in front of my own eyes in person. I guess I just believe everyone that is actually in power and is getting anything accomplished is lying. There are only a few things that I believe are actually true- they ussually come in the form of facts that both sides of an issue agree on.
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Capitalism gave me my job, and gave our country a strong economy which provided a poweful argument for government to back off from me and my life. I described government as a necessary evil, which does not contradict your statement that we need government. I am no anarchist- in fact I find anarchists to be supporting a very stupid agenda. However, I do hate the government for how crappy it seems it must always be. But you said one thing that sounds ludicrous. You said "it's still necessary and relevant in every aspect of our lives". Every aspect of our lives? Did you literally mean this? or did you mispeak? The government as it is has very little influence in most aspects of my life inasmuch as it thankfully stays out of my life. Perhaps you meant that it keeps me safe, in which case I would agree. I most definately do not want the government to get much more involved in my life than it already is, why would you? I simply don't enjoy being taxed on my income at all- there is one major reason why I hate the government. I feel it is unfortunate that I have to spend so much of my effort seeking tax shelters, diverting my attention from the things I would prefer to spend my life doing, which I could be doing if I didnt have to worry about avoiding taxes. I bought a couple of houses, which I am not entirely upset that I did, but I was strongly motivated by a chance to keep more of my money away from the prying hands of the government, who seeks to spend that money on programs that will have very little beneficial effect on me myself. Indeed this is an interesting argument. Perhaps capitalism is to blame for this financial mess we are in, and not government. I trust the private sector more because typically the private sector is dependant on some simple and unbendable facts of life; they must make something possitive for society, or they will soon be gone. Government answers to no such reality- they can be almost as wasteful and pathetic and corrupt as they want, and they will still be around. They answer to no law excpet for the prying eyes of the people, which see them only through the narrow and limited lens of the media. The bigger the government gets, the less overall perspective the media can have of the situation which is the government. Make the government big enough, and the media will not be able to keep track of all the bullshit that is going on, simply because there will be too much bullshit to cover. And in this case, when the vast majority of the media worships at the alter of Obama perhaps because of their own pathetic white guilt (because they may be closet racists), well then we have a truly terrible government wreaking havoc on our lives. I just want to know that I will have a place to live 10 years from now, and that I spent most of those 10 years living my life instead of juggling money for the amusement of the democrat government.
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Well, look, ultimately, demography is destiny. China's numbers, its geographic location, its natural resources, its agricultural and manufacturing base, will ensure that it, and not the United States, is the baseline economy of the future. Already we're beginning to see China outsourcing the manufactured products IT consumes to other, less emergent economies; the real questions are for the future are, [1] Will China be able to move from a producer nation to a consumer nation without ruining its environment, annihilating its culture or triggering a civil war that could well inspire World War III?; and [2] What role will the U.S. have in the new century / economy, RELATIVE to a dominant China? We risk becoming Dubai writ large if we don't revive our manufacturing base, renovate our educational system and rejuvenate our creativity, pronto: A closed society, entirely self-inefficient, good only for its entertainment and luxury products and services, which only a select few can actually afford. Everyone else labors to merely move dollars from one consumer to his neighbor, internally, incestuously, and eventually the entire macroeconomic Ponzi scheme collapses under the weight of its own uselessness.
Me, I think we need to BECOME China, to China's (20th century) America. Or, perhaps, Germany to the U.S... A reliable and efficient provider of quality manufactured goods to the world's rapidly expanding top-dog economy, our own economic security and relative wealth ensured by the fact that China, while growing its middle class, won't be able to make all the products it needs without utterly destroying itself, in terms of pollution. (Actually, perhaps the more accurate paradigm is that we become Mexico to China's U.S.A.) Any other "plan" is no plan at all. We simply cannot remain at the top of the food chain: Once we had the industry and the innovation, but population is everything.
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Unrestrained free market capitalism has never done anything for me since it hasn't existed in my life time. When I worked a corporate job during the Bush years, I spent much of my time merely complying with government regulations and taking course after course explaining the ever changing laws. Sarbanes Oxley was a fucking nightmare that sapped up most of our productive time. Now that I run my own business, I'm forced to pay someone just to help me with tax compliance and I'm forced into the highest tax bracket just because they arbitrarily deem me a consultant.
As for why some of us don't care for government, perhaps it's because we've never ever seen them not fuck things up. Katrina is the rule, not the exception. They steal money from us at gunpoint and dole it out to the friends of whoever happens to be in office. They muck around in other peoples countries, leading to terrorist blow back. And then we're told we have to give away our rights to combat the mess they dredged up in the first place.
They print up money out of thin air, and artificially lower interest rates (instead of letting that free market work) which encourages the reckless borrowing and malinvestment that has led us to economic ruin. And then once the banks take the bait and start to implode, we are taxed at gunpoint (or our savings are inflated away) just so that we can bail out their recklessness.
This country got a long just fine before government has starting illegally taking over every aspect of our lives. Children were far better educated before they took over the schools (try and pass an 8th grade test from the 1800s). We had a stable currency that allowed people to save and raise a family on one salary. Our inventiveness was at an all time high.
The constitution was intended to limit the government. By routinely ignoring it, they demonstrate that our government is nothing but a breeding ground for criminals. And that's why it can't be changed from within. You can't get ahead unless you're similarly corrupt. I have been politically active and have even run for minor political positions. I've seen good people, who've worked their entire lives to reform the system, get derailed by the corrupt establishment and their big media co-conspirators. Evil is always drawn to power and government is where the power is. By limiting government, we prevent evil people from being able to wield power over our lives. You can't end evil, but you can take away it's most powerful weapon -- the legitimacy of force.
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Today, Obama is set to speak to thousands, who slept outdoors overnight to hear him, at the Orange County Fairgrounds in Costa Mesa. Next week, GOP leader Richard Steele is set to speak to about 17 people, who will be sleeping during the speech, at an Elk's Lodge in Anaheim.
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Speaking just for myself, here: WHAT "seething hatred for government"? I just got done saying I believe Government has an essential role to play in ensuring freedom and opportunities for success for ALL, within limits. See, this is what you knee-jerk modern libs do: You hear the slightest hint of dissent, and you hit the friggin' chicken switches and start screaming, "Hatemonger!" Hey, I get it. *I* read 'Rules for Radicals', too. But your refusal to tolerate dissension is not the sign of a well mind.
As for "where it comes from", here's a quote for ya: "The government that governs LEAST, governs BEST". That's not Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich or Sean Hannity: It's Thoreau (one of those guys libs LOVE to quote, except of course for that particular nugget). What it basically means, for those of you whose entire political education comes courtesy MTV, 'SNL' and 'The Daily Show', is that freedom's promise resides in the ability of Government to restrain itself from interfering in the lives of individuals, that every single person, not a particular platform, party or administration, is ultimately responsible for their own success or failure, and will be more likely to court success when they are least impeded by an overly ambitious and inefficient State. In other words, get off our backs, out of our pockets and out of our way, and let us find our best possible level of existence. Now, look, Government isn't "good" OR "bad", in and of itself. Government is, like everything else, a reflection of the people who imagine, create and enact it. But people ARE fallible, and corruptible, and on occasion, yes, even EVIL. A Government with great power gives the people who staff it power in equal measure, and some of theme will be noble, yes, but even nobility is not immune to the vagaries of ignorance, error and vanity. Here's some news for ya: Government ISN'T the solution to ANYTHING. PEOPLE ARE, just like PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM. I would like for people everywhere to be as in-control of their own fate as is humanly possible while still retaining certain commonly accepted moral limitations. THAT means a Government that recognizes its purpose is to secure FREEDOM for the PEOPLE, not steal POWER FROM the PEOPLE.
If you're REALLY interested, try reading Freidrich Hayek's 'The Road to Serfdom' for a quick primer on the fundamental differences between people who see the Government as a soldier patrolling the perimeter of our society, and those who see the Goverment as a matron suckling all of us on her swollen teat. E.g., between people like me, and people like you. Me, I want to live most of my live OFF the tit, to rise and fall and succeed and fail on the merits of my OWN ambitions and talents and abilities and efforts, not because some sympathetic bureaucrat happened for value me more one day than my equally worthy neighbor, who just happens to earn -- EARN!! -- more money than I do. But, hey, suit yourself. You want to bow down to the State and proffer it your soul in exchange for just a little more in the way of creature comforts, for some feel-good fortune-cookie platitudes and a shiny new pony? Knock yourself out. The world is full of pimps and whores. It just helps to know which one YOU are. -
...I'm on my local school board AND I was a delegate to my party's last state and national convention, so I'm hardly "in a compound". However, we're in agreement on one thing: If you don't have the balls to get involved, yourself, quitcher bitchin'. Oh, and on another point, too: Brownie was a disaster. However, again: FEMA. It does good work in most cases and most places. But, like ALL Government entities, it's NOT "THE" answer.
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Capitalism gave me my job, and gave our country a strong economy which provided a poweful argument for government to back off from me and my life.
And unrestrained capitalism took thousands of jobs away again and put our economy in critical condition.
However, I do hate the government for how crappy it seems it must always be.
Like what? Government seems to work pretty damn well to me in many areas. Shit I mail a letter and two days later it's on the other side of the country delivered in hand for 42 CENTS. That's pretty damn efficient if you ask me.
You said "it's still necessary and relevant in every aspect of our lives". Every aspect of our lives? Did you literally mean this? or did you mispeak? The government as it is has very little influence in most aspects of my life inasmuch as it thankfully stays out of my life. Perhaps you meant that it keeps me safe, in which case I would agree. I most definately do not want the government to get much more involved in my life than it already is, why would you?
So government has very little influence in your life and yet you have a seething hatred and disrespect for it? I may have chosen my words poorly here though. All I meant was that government has a place and could improves many aspects of our lives from education, to healthcare, to public works, to preserving the basic human rights of our citizens.
I feel it is unfortunate that I have to spend so much of my effort seeking tax shelters, diverting my attention from the things I would prefer to spend my life doing, which I could be doing if I didnt have to worry about avoiding taxes. I bought a couple of houses, which I am not entirely upset that I did, but I was strongly motivated by a chance to keep more of my money away from the prying hands of the government, who seeks to spend that money on programs that will have very little beneficial effect on me myself.
Wow. This where you and I reach a stand still because our ideologies are just not going to sync. Maybe you'd be happier if you DID spend a little less time avoiding paying your taxes. As for it not benefiting you I think if you looked a little closer you would see the benefits. A decent education for your children, free healthcare possibly, protection from foreign invaders and domestic criminals, ensuring the well-being of your fellow citizens, relatively safe highways and bridges and public works when we actually spend money on keeping them from crumbling. What else exactly are you looking for?
I trust the private sector more because typically the private sector is dependant on some simple and unbendable facts of life; they must make something possitive for society, or they will soon be gone.
The private sector must make something positive for society? I'm sorry but private institutions are beholden to one thing and one thing only: Profit. And often times this universal truth is at odds with the well being of the country's citizens.
Government answers to no such reality- they can be almost as wasteful and pathetic and corrupt as they want, and they will still be around. They answer to no law excpet for the prying eyes of the people, which see them only through the narrow and limited lens of the media.
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Though I'm sure such nuanced thinking falls on mostly deaf ears.
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You mentioned earlier the ills of republicans. I have no problem accepting that reality. I do not sit in blind admiration of republicans. If they did shit, I blame them too. A republican can most definately be a liberal, or something else. But at the very least, republicans operate under the conservative banner- and so a randomly selected republican politician is more likely to follow the conservative values that I deem important than a democrat operating under the liberal banner. And for my limited knowledge, I still am not convinced by this argument that banks operated on their own in a self destructive pattern with no influence from the government. I don't think that a major company is operated as poorly as the government, and as such they wouldn't naturally persue a dooming policy. I believe that banks were strongly influenced by the government to lend to nonreliable borrowers- and/or there was a strong understanding and agreement that the government would bail out the banks in the event of failure, which happened according to plan. Unrestrained capitalism would have allowed these failed banks to fall, capitalism is survival of the fittest which darwinists should appreciate. Even if that allows a behemoth of a dinosaur such as an apatosaurus to fall extinct because of deep rooted weakness- then so be it, let something greater and stronger emerge. Unrestrained capitalism was not on display here- constant government meddling and involvement was, with Barney Frank eagerly violating the prime directive. At least I think.
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Dude, I completely remember that psychotic post!
It was truly creepy, taunting Mori in a perverted stalker sort of way. It was like he had this jealous hatred of Mori...yet so attracted to him enough to seek him out and then tell him of his close proximity.
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...if they fuck up. Hell you can drag CEOs in front of Congress for show trials if you want. The private sector has no power to reach into your pocket and take your money or arrest you for doing X. I'll take the evils of unchecked profit seeking over the evils of the unchecked pursuit of absolute power any day.
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Will he be sitting the whole time?
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It's easy to follow the well drawn blueprint towards modernization/industiralization but I just don't see China leading anything beyond that. Sure you'll have a period where they appear to hold their own like the USSR did but the culture there (as with Russia) doesn't really support US-style sustained growth and innovation. Of course it could be argued that with the Obama generation dawning here America doesn't have that culture anymore either...
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Well I dont buy into the idea that unrestrained capitalism caused this, not yet, until I hear a very logical explanation of why that would have happened. Like I said before, it seems that perhaps Banks took big risks that they normally wouldnt have taken because they knew that there wasnt any risk actually because they were "too big to fail"- this is not unrestrained capitalism, this is coddled capitalism. Perhaps I should have used my words differently when I said that companies must make something possitive for society. I guess that is easy to argue against. What I meant is that companies must be productive and healthy. I guess that can at times yield results that aren't positive. Generally it is positive, but ALL good companies that are strong must be productive. Productive is the word I should have used. Well Government has very little effect on the things that really matter to me true. My anger is born from them constantly trying to take one third of what I earn. Constantly being harrassed by some robber on the road for one third of my money is something to be pretty damned angry about. This I actually would have no problem with if there was no other way for me to be protected by the government. But I am quite certain that I could have the same exact quality of life provided by the government, and pay no income taxes if revenues were more strongly pulled from sales tax. Tax people on the luxeries. If I need luxeries in my life so badly, then I can pay heavy taxes too. But if I want to live only by the very necessities of life, then my taxes can be minimized. I prefer to live life simply, but I can't do so if I don't want to have government taking so much of my money away. And as for all the benefits of government that you stated- those are the only things I want out of government. Unfortunately, they want to do so much more.
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I don't think Obama is going to help us at all, but man congress has got to be removed and replaced!
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Rush...not so much.
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Mar 18, 2009 3:20:10 PM CDT
My problem with Republicans vis-a-vis banking...
by theoriginalbubblehead
...is that they held power, nigh-ABSOLUTE power, over the entirety of the federal Government for six years (2001-2007), and did NOTHING to [A] regulate ever-more-insane large-scale investments, like "insurance" on high-risk housing loans... or [B] prevent the consolidation of certain institutions to the point where THEIR collapse could have the ability to crater not just their whole SECTOR of the economy, but the ECONOMY, period. In retrospect the Clinton Justice Department's hazing of MicroSoft looks as ridiculous as trying to halt the charge of a mad rhinocerous by throwing rocks at the mosquito nipping at its ass. So, the federal Government can break up Ma Bell, but allow -- in fact, encourage -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to become their very own economic TARDIS, greater in their debt than the industry they insure is actually WORTH?!? Antitrust is a tool that can be easily abused, but, surely, if we're going to HAVE those kinds of laws and regulations and safeguards on the books, the too-rapid growth of institutions like they and AIG and Citi would seem to have been the perfect, nay, the ESSENTIAL justifications for them at all.
Of course, all one has to do is point to Chris Dodd and Barney Frank and Charles Rangel's "oversight" and cheerleading for the sorts of federal interference that forced banks to extend unaffordable loans en masse to unqualified borrowers simply to effect social reengineering, to realize that there's more, much more, than enough blame to go all the way around BOTH parties. But this debacle happened on the Republicans' watch, in the White House if not the Congress, and George W. Bush, a man I voted for a total four times (twice as governor, twice as President), turned out to be more a sorry socialist than a RINO, the most economically irresponsible President we've ever had, in fact. Present company excepted, naturally. -
It does not really exist. On paper it may sound good or maybe in an Ayn Rand novel...but it depends on too many people adhering to sound ethics and morality i.e not taking advantage of the other etc. This is as much a fantasy as a liberal utopia brought about by legislation and egalitarianism.
The liberal philosophy maintains that government, better than thousands of informed and self-interested individuals, can direct and guide our lives and national purpose. It has more confidence in the tenured bureaucrat than it does the small businessman, whose unpredictability and autonomy prove too disruptive to the common vision. -
Succinctly put. All in all, to liberals, we're just another brick in the wall.
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he must be a cool guy, eh? Like, soooo cool.
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I'm seeing a lot of right wing viewpoints being expressed here and almost completely unchallenged. This is the exact opposite of what I am used to seeing on these political discussions on AICN. What is going on?
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Either our combined arguements are so perfectly articulated as to be impervious to challenge or we've entered some rare nexus of circumstances which only moderate posters are present over this brief span of time...you know, like one of those rare planetary alignments every 100 years.
My guess it's the latter.
Relish it.
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So we conservatives all alone here? How awesome, now we can start saying all the nasty racist, homophobic and misogynistic shite we want. All right, time for a hate spree...
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It is called Keynesian economics
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that thei messiah is really just another fig, fat, lying, crooked politician. Obama=Bush, more imperialism, more of the SAME.
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Milton Friedman, who argued that the length and depth of the Great Depression was principally a factor of Keynesian monetary policies adopted by the author of the New Deal, FDR, and who predicted that debt spending on such scales by an interventionist central Government / bank, while promoting slight and short-lived recovery, would actually lead to runaway stagflation. The only thing that kept this outcome from occurring last time was the Second World War, which not only inspired an entire generation of innovation and manufacturing efficiences, but also pretty much wiped out EVERY OTHER SINGLE INDUSTRIALIZED NATION IN THE WORLD. The U.S.A., by now the holder of debt on virtually every other nation, not needing to rebuild its infrastructure and flush with cash from its now-modern manufacturing base, stepped into the gap left behind by the evaporation of such economies as those of Germany, Italy, France, Great Britain and Japan, powering a fifty-year ascent to the top of the economic, political and military food chain, until, of course, we pissed it all away and decided to become Sweden by electing this silver-tongued mendicant in the name of affirmative action and slavish devotion to buttery Hallmark-card humanist rhetoric. And, so, here we are.
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...DON'T, please, rely overmuch on Wikipedia to educate you on Friedman, or Keynes, or, like, life. I know you're too lazy to go to an actual university, or library, or bookstore, to learn, so just pop on over to Amazon.com and get yourself a copy of his 'Capitalism and Freedom'. But, of course you won't, that would mean seeking out information that might actually be contrary to your own established and bulletproof worldview, that you're so very very proud of, not realizing it was shaped FOR you through decades of exposure to multimedia McDonalds' and an overwhelmingly leftist Western educational system designed to produce entire generations of little jackbooted fascist commie turds like yourself. Go ahead, I know you want to chant: "YES, WE CAN! YES, WE CAN!! YES, WE CAN!!!"
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Credit default swaps and mortgage backed securities (among other things) enabled banks to loan without direct risk. They leveraged the shit out of every dollar and lent to ... whomever - cause they knew they could pass it on to the investor or insurance company or other bank ... or at least, so they thought. The government regulators were just a step behind the times. Sure some of it was too much overt deregulation (just as some of the housing crisis is due to government pushing for a chicken in every pot), but ultimately the feds were just a step too slow.And we didn't piss anything away by electing Obama. The writing was on the wall before this election. Too much borrowing, too much living on easy credit - we sold a nice chunk of this country to the Chinese so we could have a 25 year party. Well, the party's over.
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Wall Street Bonuses Hit Record $39 Billion for 2007
Wall Street Bonuses Hit Record $39 Billion for 2007 (Update3) By Christine Harper Jan. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Wall Street's five biggest firms are paying a record $39 billion in bonuses for 2007, a year when three of the companies suffered the worst quarterly losses in their history and shareholders lost more than $80 billion. Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch & Co., Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Bear Stearns Cos. together awarded $65.6 billion in compensation and benefits last year to their 186,000 employees. That means year-end bonuses, at 60 percent of the total, exceeded the $36 billion distributed in 2006 when the industry reported all-time high profits. The New York-based firms, which shed 25 percent of their equity value during 2007, have said they're eliminating at least 6,200 jobs amid mounting losses from the collapse of the subprime mortgage market. The payouts come as the U.S. economy slows, with unemployment rising, retail sales declining and new home foreclosures surging to a record. ``To many people, it will be shocking and questionable,'' said Jeanne Branthover, managing director of Boyden Global Executive Search in New York. ``People in New York in the world of investment banking will understand it. It's critical that pay is still there or you're going to lose really good people.'' The industry's bonuses are larger than the gross domestic products of Sri Lanka, Lebanon or Bulgaria, and the average bonus of $219,198 is more than four times higher than the median U.S. household income in 2006, according to data compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau.----
Oh HOW they TRIED to stop the Government from making them push all those shit loans and raking in the cash. But sadly they were powerless to stop themselves.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
And as for not thinking they wouldn't burn their own house down for short term profits, that's EXACTLY what they did.
The era of self regulation is over. Finished. Gone. Period. They were too big too fail, will be broken up to stop this happening again and taking down the entire Economy and the farcical failure of the credit ratings agencies and off balance sheet accounting practices will be swept away as tranparaency becomes the new watchword. -
Monetarism won't fix this mess, because it caused it...there was no adequate regulation in place to prevent the system from succumbing to "irrational exuberance" (Greenspan's words...a monetarist). Keynesian economic policies will get the engine spinning again, even if they generate only "slight and short-lived recovery". Obama has indicated that the eventual goal will be a return to monetarism, albeit a highly regulated one, to prevent such future shocks.
What's really fucking this country (and the world) over is this notion that there's some "one size fits all" utopian economic theory that should be adhered to, even as the ship takes water and the deck chairs start to float away.
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Mar 18, 2009 9:08:41 PM CDT
Quite Right BurnHollywood, and it did so by restructuring the Ba
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But because that would involve temporary Nationalization, while the Incompetents are fired the monetarist's squeal and gnash their teeth. Seeemingly oblivious that they ARE Nationalized in all but name anyway. While everyone else knows that privatizing the profits and socialising the losses is simply Corporate Socialism.
And BTW what did the Governemnt do in the run up to World War 2 ? IT SPENT. Just because it spent on Military Hardware and the enabling Military infrastructure doesn't mean it was "magical" money they were using to facilitate that Military buildup. It was Government spending on an unprecedented scale. -
Hahahahahaha! You REALLY couldn't make this shit up!
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According to Alex Jones, so it must be true.
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The hypocrisy never ends with these folks ...
Former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson said that while he was upset with the levels of salary afforded to top executives, any cap on such would dissuade companies from participating in the TARP.
"If we design it so it's punitive and so institutions aren't going to participate, this won't work the way we need it to work," he told Fox News Sunday on September 21.
Senator Richard Shelby, the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee, told CBS news that: "It should be up to the board of directors of a private corporation to set the compensation of an executive; it shouldn't be Congress's role."
Senator Mel Martinez told CNBC that: "While it is very appealing to think about executive compensation as being a part of this, one of the drawbacks to that is perhaps that we would have fewer entities participate in what is essentially a voluntary act."
And House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, "outraged" over AIG's issuance of $165 million in bonuses, said he was not in favor of "the federal government be[ing] able to set salaries across the board," when the issue of executive compensation arose in September 2008.
The issue extended to when the Obama administration was tasked with writing its own version of the TARP. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, likewise dismayed over AIG's bonuses this past week, said back in early February that while he was "appalled" at some of the perks executives had received, he did want "the government to take over these businesses and start telling them everything about what they can do."
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Mar 18, 2009 10:07:36 PM CDT
Barak Hussein Obama first President to lower the office
by coughlins laws
by appearing on the Tonight Show. Seriously, I don't want to relive the campaign, but doesn't this cheapen the office and make him seem smaller? For someone who has been preaching doom and gloom about the economy for 6 months, he sure has a lot of free time on his hands to take off in the middle of what he says is the worst economy since the Great Depression to go to California to be on a comedy show. Doesn't this guy have anything better to do? I at least thought this guy would be competent. But what do you expect from a guy who has never had a real job his entire life and has spent most of his life campaigning for higher office. The guy is just lazy and refuses to work. This is his second vacation in less than 2 months in office. I guess he thinks he deserves a break after giving us the biggest budeget defecit in our nation's history. Although he doesn't even seem to be in charge. He's deferred the so-called stimulus package (most of which won't even be spent till 2010) to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Serously, most of you must realize by now you've made a mistake. John McCain would given most of you liberals most of what you wanted anyway, but at least he's an honorable man and would've spent a lot less than this clown...
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Taking multiple days off in his first two months, adding trillions to the National Debt in just one month, and breaking over a dozen campaign promises in his first full month in office? He has lied about putting lobbyists in his Administration (there's over a dozen so far), he lied about allowing earmarks (there was over 8,000 in the last spending bill), he lied about putting all legislation on-line for 48 hours (most of Congress didn't even read that so-called Generational Theft Act, oh, I'm sorry, the Stimulus Package that doesn't take effect till 2010), he lied about ending the Iraq War (we will have troops there until well after he leaves office), he lied about closing Guantanamo Bay (the jury is still out on this one but it already looks like they are backtracking on this), and he lied about being bi-partisan and ethical (when Republicans tried to give input on the so-called Stimulus Package Obama simply said, "I won!!!", at least half a dozen Obama appointees have been tax cheats or had other ethical problems). Serously, I think by the time we get to 2012, most of you who voted for the guy who's obviously in WAYYYYY over his head will be embarrassed to admit it!!!
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A sitting President going on a late night comedy show to "talk up" his economic plan??? This is like a bad SNL skit!NEWSFLASH OBAMA: How's about instead of wasting time and taxpayer money going to Jay Leno's studio, you get your fiscally irresponsible @$$ back in the White House and work on getting Tim "He's the only one who can do the job" Geithner some HELP in the Treasury Department, so the banking and credit crisis can be solved!I swear, Obama loves the damn cameras more than Jesse Jackson, Bill Clinton and Al Sharpton combined! JUST DO YOUR DAMN JOB!!! >:O
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suspend his campaign. He said that Presidents will have to do more than one thing at a time. So, I'm sure that the Messiah here can still run up the budget defecit and appoint more tax cheats while wasting his time in California for no reason other than the desperation of having lower approval ratings than Bush at this time in his Presidency...
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McCain is still lurking about those Debate Halls looking for Mr Puddles.
"Mr Puddles! Mr Puddles! Has anyone seen my dog ? He's just a little guy. Mr Puddles! I have snausages".
Perhaps Obama should have been playing Golf while trying to deliver a serious message ? No, that would be utterly ridiculous and REALLY make him look like an out of touch moron. Git back to your brush clearing Obama !! -
Mar 18, 2009 10:41:33 PM CDT
So, are you just going to keep blaming Bush for everything
by coughlins laws
G100? What does that have to do with how Obama is performing in his job? So because you think Bush sucked gives Obama a pass to be a bad President? I don't understand your logic. I have said over and over again I didn't like Bush and was especially dissappointed with his second term when he seemed to check out. However, why the fuck does that give Obama a pass?
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and break most of his campaign promises? Why do you think it's OK for Obama to cheapen and lower his standing as President by giving out his b-ball bracket and appearing on a late-night comedy show in the middle of what he called the worst crisis in America since the Great Depression? Don't you see how he makes himself look small by doing this? Don't you see how it makes him look less serious and only cares about trying to reverse his declining poll numbers? Do you even care?
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speak without a teleprompter (who brings them to rodeos of all places) had a teleprompter malfunction and thanked himself for inviting the Irish Prime Minister? It's really a shame that the media isn't doing it's job and the public doesn't get to see that Obama is almost if not more gaffe-prone than Bush was...
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But Obama's worse. Sad. Bush started our decline by rampant socialism. Obama is "taking advantage of a great crisis" to finish us with Leninist policies that just go FURTHER in the direction Bush pointed us toward. The world will mourn our passing.
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And he did so FAR more effectively than any of the Republican Congress Blowhards or their new "leadership" like Beck or Limbaugh. He's getting criticised and he's under pressure, but when he's been in office for more than a couple of months and has actually had a reasonable amount of time to turn around or make worse the biggest catastrophic Economic failure since the Depression THEN you can break out the ridiculous hyperbole.
Until then you and all the failed Republicans and Fox groupies are doing Obama the biggest favour in the world by making your criticism SO hysterical and over the top nobody who matters will pay it the slightest attention.
Hussein ???? Hahahhahahahaaa ahhh.. Jesus! REALLY ? You don't think that one makes you sound, well, lets be polite, stuck in the Campaign ?(which I'm sorry to have to break it to you, you LOST.)
By all means call the stimulus package the Theft Act as it's spittle flying hysteria is laughably out of touch with what the public thinks it is and they are what matters.
Likewise the paste-eaters at AIG have also dug Obama out of a hole because the public certainly isn't debating the merit of creating jobs via a stimulus package now. They want to lynch the douchebags at AIG and at the Banks and every other Bail-out welfare queen.
If the Republicans were smart or actually had some form of coherent leadership they would choose their attacks carefully and moderate their language to something below teenage shrieking so that people might actually listen.
But they can't because they don't know whether to pander to Beck and Limbaugh or go for Bobby Jindal or bring back Palin or copy Arnold and all the while they are being blown to pieces by every new event in the Economic clusterfuck.
Unless you have answers no-one is going to listen. Simply saying no to Obama isn't going to cut it. Doesn't matter if you shout NOOOOOOO!!! like a lunatic or say it more reasonably. You still have to have an alternative and doing nothing will simply not fly with the public right now in a Recession. -
Mar 18, 2009 11:18:13 PM CDT
G100, Barak Hussein Obama is his name, it's what he was
by coughlins laws
sworn in as. How is that an insult? He wanted to be sworn in as Barak Hussein Obama. So he's allowed to use his middle name but I can't? Interesting... As far as Beck and Limbaugh, what do they have to do with the Republican Party? Niether one of them are elected figures. They are conservatives. Plus, I love how you just glossed over all of Obama's lies. You've just proved to me and everyone else that the only thing you care about is the (D) next to his name. You do not care that he has broken/lied about at least a dozen campaign promises. Why don't you answer those lies one by one for me. Then explain why you don't care that he lies simply because you hate Bush. Plus, how long do you think you can blame Bush for? Will it ever get old or will Bush be blamed for everyting, even after the next election?
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The "stimulus" package WAS theft on a grand scale. AIG funds government pensions and healthcare. Why do you think there was "suddenly" a crisis? Handing taxpayer money to irresponsible businesses only results in more losses and higher deficits. Congressmen and politicians should have no pensions and should have no special healthcare. They should go to the same VA hospitals as our far more worthy soldiers. Maybe then they'd rethink reneging on an obligation to our wounded men and women. This is pure government corruption and it's coming from BOTH parties. We're screwed.
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reelection if the economy still sucks in 2012? You really don't care about ethics or anything else, do you? You only care if your guy is running the show. Well, the Democrats who are writing tax law and writing our budgets, led by tax cheats (Geihtner, Rangel), embezzlers (Rangel, Reid), and guys who directly caused the banking meltdown and
AIG bonuses fiasco (Dodd, Frank), will have no one to blame in 2010 and 2012 but themselves if the economy hasn't recovered fully... -
while thinking about Jay Leno.
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But by all means continue to make Glen Beck sound like a voice of calm moderation. And why did little Michael Steele the Republican National Committee chairman bend over like a little bitch and grovel to Limbaugh if he has nothing to do with Republican Leadership ?
I would no more believe what you are deluded enough to think are lies than your paper thin excuse to carry on a campaign Strategy that FAILED. Why didn't you call Bush Walker ? It was his middle name.
And I don't really give a fuck about Bush now as his job is now to make Carter seem like a Political Titan and his place in History is assured along with his record breaking disapproval numbers. But I'm not going to suddenly forget 8 years or rewrite History. And since some Republicans are still obsessed with Carter how long do you think it will be till everyone forgets about Bush ?
Here's a clue. 4 years WON'T do it and 8 years WON'T do it. Try a bigger number. -
need to work on your American spelling. You are giving away the fact that you don't have a dog in this fight.
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Obama has been president for a grand total of TWO MONTHS. There is very little you can blame on him at this point unless you are vehemently opposed to stem-cell research.
If you really want to get back into power you need to start attending your local Republican Party meetings and come up with candidates and platforms that will appeal to young, urban, people of color. You can't fight the changing demographics of the U.S.A.
An elderly, White, rural Republican Party is a Republican Party that will be out of power for forty years. -
Mar 18, 2009 11:51:09 PM CDT
The bailout IS Theft/Corporate Welfare but stimulus wasn't all b
by g100
Infrastructure projects aren't the same thing as propping up laughably inept douchebags who burned the Economy and their own businesses down for short term profits and Bonuses. Creating Jobs is what the public wants in a Recession not lining the pockets of the grossly incompetent and greedy who already made out like Bandits.
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We don't need "jobs" that go away or remain and become a burden to the taxpayer. Government is a zero-sum entity. We need INDUSTRY. We need to stop supporting failed businesses and let people compete. We also need to MATCH tariffs and level the field as we currently have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world. We need jobs HERE, not China. Ultimately, spending will mean nothing. Production is necessary, otherwise, once the funny money hits the economy (instead of sitting in bank vaults), we'll have double digit inflation (or: stagflation) and a return to the Carter "glory" years. BOTH parties have led us here. Both parties need to be booted from power.
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In four years, 2009 will seem like a picknik by comparison. The fed just finally made it's announcement that they'll be buying/monetizing our debt, likely because China won't/can't buy enough to support all the massive spending we're now doing. It's game over boys and girls, Zimbabwe-style hyperinflation is now baked in the cake and nobody is coming to our rescue. These bailouts have exceeded the combined, inflation adjusted costs of the Louisiana Purchase, the Civil War, the New Deal, World War II, the Marshall Plan, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Race to the Moon and the entire cost of NASA, the S&L crisis and the invasion of Iraq. That's even before you add in any post November spending. Think it over real carefully before you continue to defend the Keynesians in Washington, because that tired old philosophy is now reaching its final conclusion. We are heading into the worst hyper-inflationary depression the world has ever seen and things will not be better in 2012. Not that the Republicans will likely have a decent candidate to offer, but the government, as will know it will no longer be in existence before this is over, so it doesn't really matter who will be president.
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I wish I could disagree with you. But you're right.
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Mar 19, 2009 1:18:42 AM CDT
Is that before the Werewolf Congress or Decepticons in every gar
by g100
Have we been drinking the Glen Beck crazy juice ?
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SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE IN THE FORUMS ?!
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Mar 19, 2009 1:39:48 AM CDT
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
by g100
This place is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! -
They're Republican/Right-Wing stink-tankers.
They're all over the web like maggots on shit, looking for any politically-oriented crack or crevice to wedge their purulent bodies in and start infecting threads and talkbacks with lies and spin. -
Typical ad hominem rants from ObaMaoists. I seem to remember more anti-Bush speech in unconnected threads than this feeble display by the Republicans.
Both parties are destroying this nation by similar socialist policies. No one deserves a pass. Both Republicans and Democrats need to demand better leadership and governmental accountability. -
Can't you answer any of Coughlins Laws questions about all the lies Obama told on the trail? Or do you have to wait for Jon Stewart to tell you what to think?
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I've destroyed your facile arguments and simpleton ideas on more than one occasion. You like to accuse me of stalking that fat smelly fuck Moriarty, I guess it takes a stalker to know one, since you stalk me here, and keep a file on your computer of my greatest hits to regurgitate cause you really have nothing. Think about that people. DocPazuzu is so scared of me he needs to keep a file on his computer about me. But yeah, I'm the weirdo stalker because I see Moriarty for who he really is, a self hating fat smelly geek. And like a typical shitbag Liberal, you take all comments out of context and play it off as truth. So keep following me around, I dig the attention, and I just love that I make you and others seethe. And your "moderate" position is here for everyone to see: you ONLY attack the Right wingers in here, period, end of story.
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Cool thanks, I am actually in university, I take economics. Just thouught I'd throw that Idea into the mix seeing as no one else mentioned it. I'm no expert I admitt. Our lecturers are always banging on about it. Sorry if I angered you.
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thanks for the recommendation ..just placed my order on amazon. I find your posts here really interesting. I actually do like to learn.
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Because he smells like a corpse to me.
Was he just a "bad egg" ? Misunderstood ? was it vewwwy vewwy sad when "Uncle Slobbo" croaked in a jail cell under Trial as War Criminal for crimes against humanity and Genocide awwww... Boo fucking hooo.
And why the fuck would I answer Coughlins Lies ? At least he has the fucking balls to put his own delusions into question form. You can't even manage that much. But then you won't be here long as whatever your name is will you ?
And BTW I at least saw this Catastrophic Economic Clusterfuck coming as long ago as last MAY on this site and warned about Credit Default Swaps then.
You didn't. Jon Stewart didn't and I certainly dont see any of the rabid deregulators putting their hands up and saying they did, despite now trying to transform into half assed Apocalyptic Nostradamus's.
The only thing giving the Republicans succour and amusement right now is the thought that they certainly won't be replaced by any lunatic band of free market zealot deregulators in the middle of an Economic Crisis. -
I called this over two years ago. Wow, aren't you ahead of the curve...
Bush himself (who I detest) lobbied (twice) to regulate the housing loans (but was shot down by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd--you can see their comments on youtube). And this even before that. We can't continue to piss money away and produce nothing and expect everything to come up roses. The fact is that politicians on both sides had their hands in the till and were compromised. We won't get anywhere until we clean house. -
G100 May 14th, 2008
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Think the Economy can't get any worse ?
The Banks are currently terrified that all the C.D.S. currently in play and looking shaky will make Fannie Mae and Feddie Mac look like a mom and pop bail out.---
But then I've never claimed to be an Economic "expert" because the signs were there for anyone to read who weren't blinded by the bullshit. -
Mar 19, 2009 3:49:52 AM CDT
Riiiight EVIL Barney Frank the "mastermind" behind this whole th
by g100
Laughable. We aren't back to the ancient right wing bloggers horseshit about Fanny and Freddie are we ?
Tell you what here's one overview (not mine) of why the sad little right wing bloggers excuse for Wall Street fucking over Main Street U.S.A. simply won't wash...----Half of all subprime loans were made by institutions that are not subject to "Political pressure" like the CRA. And another substantial share of subprime loans were made by subsidiaries of banks that do not fully come under CRA. The number of riskier loans banks were forced to accept by CRA were not enough to be a problem by themselves.
The revisionists say the problem wasn't too little regulation; but too much, via CRA. The law was enacted in response to both intentional redlining and structural barriers to credit for low-income communities. CRA applies only to banks and thrifts that are federally insured; it's conceived as a quid pro quo for that privilege. This means the law doesn't apply to independent mortgage companies (or payday lenders, check-cashers, etc.)
The law imposes on the covered depositories an affirmative duty to lend throughout the areas from which they take deposits, including poor neighborhoods. The law has teeth... Studies ... have shown that CRA increased lending and homeownership in poor communities without undermining banks' profitability.
But CRA has always had critics... Rhetoric aside, the argument turns on a simple question: In the current mortgage meltdown, did lenders approve bad loans to comply with CRA, or to make money?
The evidence strongly suggests the latter. First, consider timing. CRA was enacted in 1977. The sub-prime lending at the heart of the current crisis exploded a full quarter century later. ... In late 2004, the Bush administration announced plans to sharply weaken CRA regulations... Yet sub-prime lending continued, and even intensified -- at the very time ... the law had weakened.
Second, it is hard to blame CRA for the mortgage meltdown when CRA doesn't even apply to most of the loans that are behind it. ... Perhaps one in four sub-prime loans were made by the institutions fully governed by CRA.
Most important, the lenders subject to CRA have engaged in less, not more, of the most dangerous lending. Janet Yellen, president of the San Francisco Federal Reserve, offers the killer statistic: Independent mortgage companies, which are not covered by CRA, made high-priced loans at more than twice the rate of the banks and thrifts. With this in mind, Yellen specifically rejects the "tendency to conflate the current problems in the sub-prime market with CRA-motivated lending." ...
Yellen is hardly alone... One of the only regulators who long ago saw the current crisis coming was the late Ned Gramlich... But Gramlich praised CRA...
It's telling that, amid all the recent recriminations, even lenders have not fingered CRA. That's because CRA didn't bring about the reckless lending at the heart of the crisis. Just as sub-prime lending was exploding, CRA was losing force... And the worst offenders, the independent mortgage companies, were never subject to CRA -- or any federal regulator. Law didn't make them lend. The profit motive did.
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Think about how many times people wondered if the housing "bubble" would burst? We knew LONG ago that these loans were toxic. The numbers simply didn't add up. The CRA had a VERY large part to play in this debacle. Frank is not the only one to blame; just as many Republicans turned the other way. Bush ushered in socialist policies we can't pay for and a bailout that the majority of Americans opposed. Obama went even FURTHER in that direction. The corruption has no "party" in this. Be honest with yourself.
And I don't go around quoting myself or saving my comments. I've been saying this to people I know out here in Boston for some time, saying we are due for a credit crisis and a needed deflationary cycle (if the government doesn't intervene and push us toward stagflation--which it did). -
Economists View : April 18 2008
Ezra Klien and Robert Gordon
Yet Again, It Wasn't the Community Reinvestment Act
E.K. As Robert Gordon shows, however, this is crap. First, there's the timing. CRA came in 1977. The crisis came in 2007. Indeed, by 2004, the Bush administration had weakened the CRA -- and after that (though not, presumably, because of it), bubble lending really took off. Further, CRA only governs a certain class of federally insured banks. Problem is, half of the subprime loans came from mortgage companies with no CRA involvement at all. Another 25%-30% came from companies with very little CRA exposure. For those who left their abacus at home, that's 80% of the loans which were fully or largely outside CRA jurisdiction. More than that, the non-CRA mortgage firms made subprime loans at twice the rate of CRA-covered firms. Which basically leaves a stake in the heart of this particular theory. Indeed, until now, some conservatives have been moaning that no one is talking about the CRA part because it's so racially charged. Poppycock. It's just a false charge.
R.G. In the mid-1990s, new CRA regulations and a wave of mergers led to a flurry of CRA activity, but, as noted by the New America Foundation's Ellen Seidman (and by Harvard's Joint Center), that activity "largely came to an end by 2001." In late 2004, the Bush administration announced plans to sharply weaken CRA regulations, pulling small and mid-sized banks out from under the law's toughest standards. Yet sub-prime lending continued, and even intensified --at the very time when activity under CRA had slowed and the law had weakened.-----
But Barney Frank put an EVIL spell on every Banker in Wall Street and Forced them to make BILLIONS in record breaking profits and bonuses while they fucked their own Companies and the Economy up the ass because they were to fucking dumb or rgeedy to understand risk assessment. They had no choice but to push NINJA and Sub Prime and Alt-A and all the other worthless horseshit they repackaged and sold on for BILLIONS.
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I will tell you precisely why calling your President "Hussein" is a low piece of shit tactic (I've told you before, but what the fuck): What you are trying to do is smear by word association, and worse than that, you are doing it in the most despicable craven way possible. You know full fucking well that the name "Hussein" (even though it's a common name) is instantly associated in the minds of most people with Saddam Hussein. Therefore, by calling Obama Hussein, you are attempting to link your sitting president with a genocidal Islamic nutjob in people's subconscious. What makes it craven and despicable, is that when challenged on it, you throw your hands up and go "what me, guv, noooooo, I wouldn't do something like that, it's just his name after all" Ask yourself this, asshead, would you be doing it if the H in his middle name stood for Henry?
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So how do you feel about Corporate Socialism ?
Unless you can tell me where privatizing profits and socializing losses fits into the free market ?
Sad. You whine about some nutty future "socialist" apocalypse that would make Glen Beck Giggle madly, but you are too blind to even see you have Corporate Socialism RIGHT NOW.
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Don't take my word for it. Here you go:
The following quotes are from the New York Times five years ago. Republicans proposed increased oversight and regulation of Fannie and Freddie, but Democrats fought it.
“The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago. Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry. The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.” Democrats pushed back. “Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing”.
“These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis”, said Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed. “I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.
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Groups like ACORN pressured private banks to give out toxic loans. This is well known and indisputable. Though I'm sure a little thing like the "truth" never got in your way before.
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I don't think you do.
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In late 2004, the Bush administration announced plans to sharply weaken CRA regulations, pulling small and mid-sized banks out from under the law's toughest standards. Yet sub-prime lending continued, and even intensified --at the very time when activity under CRA had slowed and the law had weakened.
And from Factcheck.org
ACORN and the Housing Crisis
The McCain ad says that ACORN in Chicago engaged in "bullying banks. Intimidation tactics. Disruption of business" and "forced banks to issue risky home loans." In support of these statements, the McCain campaign cites conservative opinion pieces, including a column by Mona Charen posted by the National Review Online, titled "Guilty Party: ACORN, Obama and the Mortgage Mess."
It is true that ACORN has led demonstrations on a number of issues nationwide – predatory lending, immigration reform, neighborhood violence, utilities shut-offs, minimum wage increases. Sometimes the group's tactics are confrontational, veering into civil disobedience. For instance, in the late 1980s, ACORN activists in a number of cities, including Chicago, seized abandoned houses and encouraged "squatting" by homeless people, in an attempt to force local governments to salvage abandoned properties and convert them into low-income housing. The targets of ACORN's protests sometimes describe the activists as intractable or even aggressive. Other ACORN protests are less confrontational; Sen. McCain himself spoke at an ACORN rally on illegal immigration in 2006.
It stretches the facts, however, to say that ACORN "forced" banks to make risky loans, though it has certainly applied pressure on banks to make loans to minority and low-income borrowers. ACORN also has worked directly with banks in a joint effort to increase such lending. In Chicago these efforts date back at least to 1992, after a report by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston showed that minorities in that city were two to three times as likely to be denied mortgage loans as white applicants, and that high-income minorities were more likely to be turned down than low-income whites. Chicago ACORN then started a mortgage assistance program, in cooperation with five local banks, to help minority and low-income borrowers get mortgage loans.
The mortgages that ACORN worked out with the banks did have lower underwriting standards than were customary. They allowed a higher percentage of a family's income to go to debt repayment, and counted rent and utility payments, not just credit card payments, as evidence of ability to pay back a loan. The loans were also more forgiving of past credit problems, as long as the recipient was making a proven effort to address them. But ACORN provided loan deals only to people who went through counseling on budget and credit issues. In 1992, First Nationwide Bank Vice President Neal Halleran told the Chicago Tribune: "Transaction by transaction, [loans from the ACORN program] would appear to be performing no worse than our portfolio overall." According to the Tribune, First Nationwide had contacted ACORN to initiate the lending program.----
Yeah not QUITE the poor Banks being bullied into doing something they had no choice in is it ? Even if we were dumb enough to think that the percentage that ACORN were actually responsible for was somehow colossal or that the Banks weren't making record breaking profits and bonuses from their bad loans. -
Mar 19, 2009 4:32:05 AM CDT
80% of the loans which were fully or largely outside CRA jurisdi
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game over man! game over!
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Because for some reason AICN retard talkbackers decided to argue about politics... guess what basement-dwellers, you won't even be able to get to this talkback a week from now so hows about you all shut your idiot piehole's and discuss the actual topic?
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I'm attacking right-wingers in this particular TB because in this particular TB their villainy is overrepresented by far.
As for defeating my arguments, you have never - and I mean never - managed such a feat in all of AICN's history. MrNiceGaius has concisely pointed out exactly why you categorically lose ever single argument/debate you engage in.
However, all that is moot since the bottom line still remains that you:
1) condone ethnic cleansing and massacres of the "right" kind of people (men, women AND children).
2) say there is "no such thing" as a right-wing dictatorship.
3) say there is "no such thing as a moderate".
4) like to inhale male sweat.
In other words, BallBranes, NOBODY takes a single thing you say seriously because you are an amoral, evil, drooling, bigoted, crypto-fascist fucktard cunt who would best serve the American people by jumping in front of a freight train. -
and by 2012 America will be begging to make Obama President for Life. The markets are rebounding, wingnuts. Sun jumped 79% yesterday. Banks are already repaying TARP loans. I'm watching GE today - they're releasing financials on GECap.
ACORN pressured banks into giving toxic loans? Where in the fuck do you get your information all dah dah dah? Fuck you're amateur. Fuckin ass. -
Feel free, BraneBalls, to put those four points into the correct "context" if you will -- or if you can.
In the meantime, maggot, keep writhing on that hook for me. That's it -- squirm, little bitch. -
he's quite open about it.
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yeah thats right!!!
talk... back, about it.
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Obama can call himself Barak Hussein Obama, Chief Justice Roberts can swear him in as Barak Hussein Obama, his supporters can call him Barack Hussein Obama, but I can't call him Barack Hussein Obama. Interesting. I guess free speech doesn't extend to those who disagree with the President. ASs far as G100, yeah, it can be traced directly back to guys like Barney Frank and Maxine Waters actively blocking attepmts to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac back in 2004 Congressional hearings (check it out, it's all over youtube) saying how there were no problems with the companies practices and that they were both solvent, etc, etc, etc. It's 100% FACT that Democrats in Congress blocked attempts at reform. It's not even open for debate...
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said. All you know how to do is attack Republicans or conservatives as hysterical or whatever your stupid point is. You refuse to face the fact that Obama is nothing but just another politician who will do or say anything to get elected and keep his poll numbers up. BTW, his poll numbers are lower than Bush or Clinton's at this point in their Presidencies...
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The reason the (already Iraq war and unnecessary tax cut inflated) deficit went up is because of a giant fucking stimulus bill to fix up the economy that crashed under the previous administration. If there wasn't an UNPRECEDENTED GLOBAL ECONOMIC CRISIS, spending wouldn't be necessary.
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Mar 19, 2009 7:25:40 AM CDT
ACORN: They Fixed The Election and Broke The Economy
by thunderbolt ross
Yes, the all-powerful ACORN. Seriously there's only one word you need to understand what happened to the banks. It's the same word as the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that: GREED.
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It's nothing at all to do with "Free Speech" and your response is exactly the sort of cowardice I'm talking about. He didn't call himself "hussein". It's a name he was given. It serves no purpose to keep bringing it up other than as either a snide racist jibe or in an attempt to revoltingly link him to SaddamI'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, and assuming that you are not a closet racist who only uses that name because it isn't white and the fact you have a half-caste president makes you uncomfortable.
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Who's going to win the Super Bowl in 2012? Who's going to win the next 4 World Series. You don't seem to know how history works, do you? History is NOT on Obama's side as far as the midterm elections go. Every single off-year election in modern history (except during wartime) the Presdent's party loses seats. It's a referendum on the sitting President. More people form the other side show up than the Prez's party. Do you really think that all the people who don't usually vote who voted for Obama are gonna show up to vote if he's not on the ticket? As far as 2012, it is WAYYYYY to early to make any predictions about that. SOOOO much can happen between now and then. Anyone trying to make an absolute prediction about what's going to happen 4 years from now is an idiot. If it weren't for the banking collapse happening just one month before the election, we'd have President McCain. If the media reported on Obama's racist preacher and John Edwards cheating on his cancer-stricken wife before the Iowa Caucuses, we'd have President Hillary. And if we didn't have The Chicago Tribune gettin Jack Ryan's divorce records unsealed in 2004, we might never have had even Senator Obama. So enough with pretending you know exactly what is going to happen in the next 4 years. Nobody knows. The economy might still be shit or very weak. We may get another terrorist attack. Iran could nuke Israel. We have no idea what's going to happen and whether or not the public will rally behind the President or blame him. Stop being a stupid partisan hack...
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and on, and on, and on, and on...
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to me... I'm obviously not as smart as you. He didn't have to have his name sworn in as Hussein if he didn't want to. I really don't get your point...
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know that business cycle we learned about in Econ 101 where the economy is prosperous for an average of 6 years and then we have a correction for 6 to 12 months, and then the economy grows again for the last, what, 220 years of our country? Remember that? Oh, you don't? I guess it WAS all Bush's fault. Why don't you explain to me precisley what Bush did to cause the recession, how he could have prevented it, and what he could have done to stop it's severity. I'm waiting...
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to shut down debate any chance you get. You just can't wait to try and intimidate people and label them with terms like racist...
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you weren't being racist. Not that you were, but nice way to misquote me. And for the millionth fucking time, I'm not a liberal
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if the H was henry would you keep banging on abut Barack "Henry" Obama? I know the answer- and you wouldn't. This is what I'm talking about- you snivelling coward. Man up, show some balls and admit why you are doing it- don't hide behind the "not me, guv" thing you're doing- a 2 year old could see through it. I do have to ask, though, how stupid are you? I pointed out, in detail, precisely what you were doing, and I told you why it was craven, and then you did it anyway! You cretin
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that you actually do have some points that are worth debating. Probably by accident, but by persisting in this shrill and ineffective smear campaign you devalue your legitimate arguments.
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someone by their full name racist? I don't understand. Please explain it to me. Also, explain to me how you're not calling me a racist when you just wrote that I was trying to invoke racist feelings. What's the difference? You are saying that anyone who uses Barack Hussein Obama's middle name who didn't vote for him is racist. Don't back down. You have yourself a legitimate point there...
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As Bush-appointed Fed Chief Bernanke predicted, the economy will rebound by year's end, in which case he and the other GOP shills will have to start the "hard sell" that if the Republicans had had their way, it would have been fixed in half the time.
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name racist? Is it my fault that his Muslim father gave him a Muslim name shared by Saddam Hussein? You're the one who pointed that out, NOT me. But like I said, explain to me why he can use his full name but I can't...
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Mar 19, 2009 7:59:16 AM CDT
Dude, history shows that the Democrats will lose seats
by coughlins laws
in 20100. But like you said, the economy will be better by the end of the year, making the $1 Trillion Generational Theft act (I'm sorry, the non-stimulus Stimulus Package) totally unecessary. The economy will rebound despite the Porkulus Package that most of which doesn't even start stimulating until 2010...
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pathetic and snide. Let me reverse it- why do you stubbornly insist on using his full name- I didn't see you do that with George W. Bush for example, or William Jefferson Clinton? You know precisely what you are doing- and this attempt to make me look like the censorous bastard is fucking sad. I flayed your "free speech" shit in a second and I can do it with this as well, but I'll say it again- YOU ARE NOT BEING RACIST. What you are trying to do is associate your sitting president with a genocidal fuckbag that the US recently deposed. Not racist. Although, as I seem to have struck a nerve with this, I'm now starting to wonder.....
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Jarv just pwned your ass big time.
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Mar 19, 2009 8:15:10 AM CDT
Sure I did. It's Geroge Walker Bush and William Jefferson
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Clinton. We weren't talking about those guys. we were talking about Barack Hussein Obama. Why do you insist on living in the past?
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*Jumps up and down hoping for a jackpot*
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That's the first time you've done it, and I had to drag it out from you. This is sad.
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well, I suppose your post of about 5 minutes ago is technically in the past. I'm sorry that there weren't any other present US presidents for me to make the comparison with. I do apologise for not using one and only comparing BHO to his most recent 2 predecessors. My fault entirely.
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You are one pointless tool. I wouldn't bother waiting for that idiocy jackpot- you seem to have already won, but are too stupid to take it and fuck off.
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Because IBM is trying to buy them. Obama has his fingers in that? Wow,he's good.
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name given by his father? Would you prefer Barack H. Obama? Will this satisfy you? Let's concentrate on how disengunous Obama is. Either this is the biggest crisis in generations or it isn't. If it is, he's wasting a huge amount of time in his first two months in office, already taking two vacations and agreeing to go on a late night comedy show. It doesn't sound like he's that concentrated on the nation's problems if he can lower himself to go on a comedy show. Or, he just over-hyped the crisis for his own political benefit. Either way, he doesn't seem to be a serious person or work very hard at his job. Plus, I'd like to know if he's going to use Leno's telemprompter or if he'll bring his own...
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Here's a TB where you mention all kinds of presidents (former and current) and DON'T refer to them by three names:
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I hope your feeling ashamed of yourself, now that I've pointed out your idiocy. I doubt it though.
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or campaign promises, some of which I listed earlier. Do you not care he lied about not standing for earmarks? (over 8,000 in the Omnibus Spending Package)
There were earmarks in the Pork-Loaded Stimulus Bill. He lied about the Iraq War. He lied about accepting Federal Matching Funds. He lied about closing Guantanamo Bay. He lied about Afghanistan. He lied about putting legislation on-line for 48 hours. He lied about warrantless wiretaps. He's continuing many of Bush's terror policies even though he spent 36 months attacking them. It hasn't even been two months yet and the guy has broken most of his major promises and can't make a public appearance without a teleprompter. Aren't you even a LITTLE concerned? -
last names. Why are you obsessed with Barack Hussein Obama's middle name? Shouldn't you be mad at his Muslim father and not me? Plus, don't you think it's ironic that you think you're making some clever point about me calling someone a name by simply stating the name his parents gave him and you in turn use the worst curse word in the English language to describe me? Is the irony lost on you?
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I didn't want to get into the ins and outs of the actual politics with you, as I didn't vote as I'm not American. I was answering a question you posed earlier, and co-incidentally, making you look like a partisan little turd. Nevertheless, let me answer for my wife (who did). She's less than fucking happy about it, but is willing to extend the benefit of the doubt longer than 6 months. Happy?
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let me explain it to you again. We are not the ones obsessed with his middle name. I, personally, usually just call him Obama. What we are pointing out is your fucking pathetic use of his middle name as a smear tactic, and now DocP has just shown you up to be a lying cunt as well. Admit that you are being a bit of a bastard by doing it, promise not to do it again, and we'll move on to the other issues at hand. You have been utterly check-mated, all your straw men are smashed asunder and you have no reason at all to continue this tack that will just see us carry on pwning you.
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I'm sorry I didn't waste brain cellls remembering who you are. But, like I said, that is his name and if you have a problem with it, your problem is with him and his Muslim father, I don't see how your problem is with me. But, why should I wait when he's the one breaking his campaign promise and showing his willingness to lie out of political necessity?
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Canadian!Pah.
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You're the one obsessed. Get mad at his Muslim father or Obama himself. If it makes you feel better I'll call him Barack H. Obama. Will that do? But, I'd rather just choose to express my First Amendment Rights rather than have someone like you try to dictate what I can and can't say...
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This is getting ridiculous now. Coughdrop, once again: I. Do. Not. Have. A. Problem. With. His. Name. I. Am. Merely. Revealing. Your. Foul. Tactics. More interestingly, why did you feel the need to mention that his dad was a muslim? How is that relevant? I'm leaning more and more towards closet racism now.
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and instead of addressing any of them you simply chose to skip over ALL of it and simply focus on the fact I used his full name. He spent almost a BILLION DOLLARS running for President for the 2 and a half years straight and hasn't even been Prez for 100 days yet, and he's already broken over 10 MAJOR CAMPAIGN PROMISES. I was pointing this out. Have you ever had you mother use your full name when she's scolding you? It's kind of like that. YOU'RE the one obsessed with his middle name. Either that or you don't care that he's a liar, just as long as the Democrats won!!!
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Any other cocksuckers out there you hold in high regard? Saddam Hussein perhaps?
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please see my first post- you are just going down the same dead end over and over again. Tell you what, I'll repost it: "What you are trying to do is smear by word association, and worse than that, you are doing it in the most despicable craven way possible.
You know full fucking well that the name "Hussein" (even though it's a common name) is instantly associated in the minds of most people with Saddam Hussein. Therefore, by calling Obama Hussein, you are attempting to link your sitting president with a genocidal Islamic nutjob in people's subconscious.
What makes it craven and despicable, is that when challenged on it, you throw your hands up and go "what me, guv, noooooo, I wouldn't do something like that, it's just his name after all"
There you are, and I saved you having to scroll up. That was nice of me.
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other answer that I gave you: "I didn't vote as I'm not American. I was answering a question you posed earlier, and co-incidentally, making you look like a partisan little turd. Nevertheless, let me answer for my wife (who did). She's less than fucking happy about it, but is willing to extend the benefit of the doubt longer than 6 months." Answered?
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This middle name shit is pathetic.
You may or may not be intentionally drawing attention to his name...my guess is you are. But I don't care. It shows bad judgement on your part and leaves you wide open for a pile-on which is totally justified.
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Mar 19, 2009 9:22:04 AM CDT
You're kidding, right? Now I can't mention his father was
by coughlins laws
Muslim? Why don't you give me a list of all the things I can't say about Obama. I can't mention his middle name. CHECK I can't mention his Muslim father. CHECK I can't point out his tendency to lie for political gain. CHECK Anything else I'm not allowed to say about Barack Hussein Obama?
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my speech? Why don't you and LostJarv get together and and come up with a list of things about Obama I can't say. I'll give you time. Oh yeah, and keep avoiding discussing all of Obama's lies and just obsess with the middle name his Muslim father gave him (which, by the way LostJarv, I don't think it would make sense for him to have a Muslim name if his father was Christian)
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You seem to be having problems with this- It isn't that his father is or isn't muslim, the question is WHY are you mentioning his religion? What relevance does it have? It's exactly the same as the middle name. Rightly or wrongly, there is a current fear of Islam, and depiction of all muslims as the enemy. What you are doing by mentioning his father's religion in the context of his middle name is doubling the association- not only is he called "hussein" like that saddam bastard, but he's also a muslim. Like that Saddam bastard. It's not relevant, quite sad, and now the curtain has been tossed aside a bit pathetic that you are persisting with it- especially now that you are fully aware that everybody is on to you.
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Mar 19, 2009 9:29:12 AM CDT
Are you taking your cues from the Obama Administration?
by coughlins laws
In order to avoid discussing policy or obvious lies, they instead choose to attack private citizens who disagree with them like Jim Kramer and Rush Limbaugh. Makes them look really small when they attack private citizens like this. Just like taking time out from the "Worst Crisis in Generations" to go on a Late Night Comedy Show. But yes, attack away. Avoid discussing issues. Focus on minutae that doesn't matter at all costs to avoid talking about the issues...
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I'm not trying to censor you. Christ almighty. This is more disgust at your smearing and an attempt to help you.
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On this name and "his father's a Muslim" business......you're just having a laugh, right? I mean, no one is dumb enough to believe that you're drawing attention to these things simply because they're plain facts. You know this, right?Please tell me (and everyone else) that you know EXACTLY what you're doing when you resort to these McCain/Palin Rally-style tactics.Anything else would be dishonest.
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Just like it didn't matter that Romney is a Mormon.
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Well done.
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refused to discuss the policies of Obama. He's simply obsessed with me calling Barack Hussein Obama by the name his Muslim father gave him. Why don't you get mad at his father who impregnated multiple women instead of me for calling him by the name that he was sworn in as. I actually think his name is kind of cool. It's one of the few things I like about Obama, his original name. You're the one that's obsessed...
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"Focus on minutae that doesn't matter at all costs to avoid talking about the issues" And what, pray tell, do you think constantly referring to his middle name and father's religion is? I'll give you a clue: begins with "m", ends with "inutae" Stop crying foul now that you've been exposed as a fuckweasel of the highest calibre. Raise your game from the sewer, you have good points (I personally wonder what the fuck he thinks he's doing with this, just as I wondered what that fat plagairist cunt Brown was doing going on a jolly to fellate obama) at the moment.) You have a good fucking point with this.
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Mar 19, 2009 9:33:49 AM CDT
SO OBAMA TRYING TO GOVERN AS A MODERATE MAKES HIM A LIAR NOW
by bringingsexyback
Although his promises were well-intentioned, he was elected not just by the Left, but by many on the Right too. It goes without saying that he has reached out, and continues to do so, to the Right more than Bush and the Republican Congress had ever done. And this, less than 2 months into office.
Coughlins is making no sense as usual. I don't care if you call him Osama Hussein - the man is given unimaginable messes to manage and he is doing a stellar job given the circumstance. He has stopped the bleeding, and trying to rebuild the economy with an eye towards long-term sustainability and not just a quick fix as Republicans are apt to do. -
I've answered you twice. I will repost it for the third time: "I didn't vote as I'm not American. I was answering a question you posed earlier, and co-incidentally, making you look like a partisan little turd. Nevertheless, let me answer for my wife (who did). She's less than fucking happy about it, but is willing to extend the benefit of the doubt longer than 6 months."
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Mar 19, 2009 9:36:26 AM CDT
You to, Mr.NiceGaius. I've been on here for over an hour
by coughlins laws
now and no one wants to discuss Obama's lies. All you want to do is try to attack me for being racist by mentioning Obama's full name given by his Muslim father. Of course he's Muslim, why would he give his son a full Muslim name if he was Chrisitian or Hindu? As far as labels, Democrats are the one's obsessed with it. I wonder how you guys reacted in 2004 when both John Kerry and John Edwards kept going out of their way to mention Cheney's "lesbian" daughter? Did your selective outrage trigger then, too?
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What's your point? Muslim, Jew, what's the difference? It's his policies, and ability that matter.
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to much credit. A US President is not a medieval king who's word is law or taken directly into effect. I don't like Obama but I will not lose sight of who really is to blame. Same for Bush. He had goods and bads but it all comes down to the ones who really fucked everything up. (Both parties suck their is no better or worse, it is all agenda and we keep letting it happen) Greed is the enemy.
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Mar 19, 2009 9:40:43 AM CDT
So, again, look at the irony of accusing me of calling
by coughlins laws
someone a bad word simply by calling him by the name his father gave him, and you choose to use the most offensive curse word in the English language to describe me. Is this the definition of hypocrisy? As far as answering my question, how exactly did you do that? How will 4 months from now change the fact he has lied about at least a dozen things? Are you saying it won't matter in 6 months that he lied if the economy is better? Are you saying the ends justify the means? I really don't understand your point. But, I continue to think it's funny how you guys on this site resort to swearing and personal insult so fast...
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Censor your speech? Ha! One needs power to censor others and last time I checked I didn't have any admin/edit powers at my disposal.
By all means keep on ranting.As a matter of fact...I encourage it. Continue to marginalize yourself even further (if that's possible) by quibbling over semantics. You're like the one loud, obnoxious drunk in the room that everyone wishes would just go the hell home.
Question: What would you have said if he had legally changed his name before running for office?
My guess is you would have called him out as a coward...someone was trying to hide his past, ashamed of who he is... or a cold, calculating politician looking for an 'edge' by jettisoning his past and therefore unworthy of respect.
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Sounds like an hour too long, Coughlins. And a fantastic job in deflection, I must say.
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That he himself helped create? No, No please. Enough. He knew what he was buying with his campaign money and he is doing his best to "take advantage of this crisis" as a good Chicago politician would. Want to see the future 'Sexyback? Peer into the crystal ball of the state of Illinois.
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Bud it's not worth it. Really.. Unless CNN reports it some will never get it. And again like him or hate him hes not doing the most damage right now... Nancy Polski, Reed, you know the fuck ups are the problems.
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sexyback? Why don't you adress the 100% PROVEN OBAMA LIES I pointed out and either defend them or explain them? Why do you choose to focus on his middle name? Why does his middle name matter so much to you people? You're spending all your time trying to intimidate me into not using the name his Muslim father gave him and won't focus on the issues. And don't try to act holier than thow and make me feel like anyone who brings up race or religion is either racist or anti-Muslim. The week Barack Hussein Obama was inagurated ALL YOU HEARD ABOUT was how historic it was because of his race. The media in this country obsessed on Obama's race for 2 weeks to a month before and after, mentioning his race at the lead fo every newscast. Don't try to make me out to be the one obsessed with these things. But, you guys squandered your opportunity to have a debate on policy or Obama's lies. Instead you've all chosen to obsess over Obama's middle name (which is Hussein). Nice going guys!!! way to be serious people and serious thinkers!!!! Got to go now!!!
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to talk about all the Obama lies I laid out and instead want to talk over and over again about Obama's middle name. Nice try!!!
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You are the very definition of a hypocrite and that post is little more that rank, base hypocrisy. I am consistant and profane and have answered your questions, but here we go again: 1) That loathsome little post is hypocritical in both tone and content. As has been established, you know damned well what you are doing, whereas that post is you attempting to paint yourself as a paragon of virtue. You are depicting yourself as being utterly sinless, and me as the bastard assaulting you unjustly. The reality is that you are botching a smear campaign (one that didn't work in the run-up to the election, so is unlikely to work now), and I've called you on it. You are not some blushing virgin, shocked at being shown a naked cock. You're a spin doctoring scumbag. Cunt is not the worst insult in the English language, by the way. 2)You asked, what do I think about him breaking campaign promises. I answered that I don't have a say, it isn't my president, but my wife did and isn't happy. 3)For a new position, he should be given a decent benefit of the doubt period. He has not exceeded this yet. In a years time, the mood may be different, but at the moment he still has a long way to go. 3)Of course it will matter that he lied in 6 months.4)When have I ever once said the end justifies the means. You're confusing me with Rowdy. Clear?
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Mar 19, 2009 9:49:41 AM CDT
COUGHLINS - DO YOU HAVE A "NO BLACKS ALLOWED" POLICY
by bringingsexyback
at your restaurants? Go make me a damned sandwich you pinko commie.
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Sounds more like you.
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in Congress do. You didn't think they'd actually let a guy who never had a real job his entire life do any work, did you? They just send him out with his teleprompter to read speeches...
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I did not engage you on that premises. I engaged you on something else entirely. Learn how to read and answer the questions that are put to you. Otherwise, all you're doing is stirring up a hornets nest to score uber-cheap political points.As for your deflection, I'll just take that as an admission that you know EXACTLY what you're doing by resorting to such infantile tactics. Thanks for the confirmation, asshat.
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"You didn't think they'd actually let a guy who never had a real job his entire life do any work, did you? They just send him out with his teleprompter to read speeches" Haven't heard that tired rhetoric from you before.
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It's like the right-wingers think there is no footage of Obama speaking without one.They lie to you about going to war and they lie to you about teleprompters.Amazing.
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You cocksuckers (and you KNOW who you are) who so rightgeously slam Palin for her religious views (however whacked you think they are) are just as guilty!
Don't even fucking try to defend the pure bigotry of piling one someone because of their name, religious views, sexual orientation etc.
And let me just shut the door on your paranoid,xenophobic conspiracy theories of "Oh she's wants to teach our kids Creationism and Adam and Eve and turn the county into an iron fisted theocracy where abortions are banned forever blahblahblah".
FUCK.YOU.INTOLERANT.ASSHOLE.
I will take on ALL of you Left and Right wing fucktards when it comes to this duplicitous bullshit.
I don't care how much irrational hatred you have for Obama or Palin...you go there and you are a fucking intolerant douchebag. Defend it. I dare you.
PERIOD.
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I would just like to say that I never slammed Palin for her religious views. I've only attacked her for her ignorance and lies.And I hate her fucking glasses.
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Mar 19, 2009 10:08:03 AM CDT
Coughlins Laws, the Democrats will gain seats in 2010.
by leafar the lost
Coughlin is already making the inevitable agrument that the Rightwingers will make when the economy rebounds. They will say that Obama's policies had nothing to do with it, and they will also say that his policies made it last longer. Rightwingers are so predictable. Once again, the Democrats will gain more seats in 2010, and President Obama will be reelected in 2012. Forget this "America is a Center-Right country" bullshit. America is right down the center. Most of us are pro-death penalty and pro-choice. The Rightwing Republican Party will never ever win the Presidency again. They will have to change, or just nominate a candidate who lies and says he (or she) is...
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and I will point out the difference, if true and she really did try to get things like creationism taught as science, then that is her religion informing her policy. That's different to Coughlin's baseless association slander- if I see one comment from Obama or policy where he's directly legislating based on his religion, then I'll have him for it. I will not slam her for creationsim alone- and I will not word associate like Coughlin is doing. You're quite right though, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
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...so I will slam her all day (and night) on them.
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again, Coughlins- see the difference?
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being an ignorant fucking twat though. Which is pretty fucking unarguable.
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Who's religious views are right?
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Obama just authorized a $1 billion dollar rebuilding program for Hamas-controlled Gaza...
You think maybe Coughlins could argue THAT as his alleged ethnic/religious ties affecting policy?
No one can prove this.
This shit cuts both ways people.
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eh?Disagree- he isn't a muslim and I don't buy Coughlin's smearing. No need to suck it, I already agreed that it cuts both ways.
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Mar 19, 2009 10:50:48 AM CDT
I'VE SLAMMED PALIN FOR HER RELIGIOUS VIEWS AND DON'T REGRET IT
by bringingsexyback
Not because she is Christian but she is an extremist, and her religiosity has infected her social policies, such as charging for rape kits - which is just one step behind Pakistan's stoning of rape victims. I also slam extremists of the Jewish and Muslim faiths. Palin's endorsement of anti-witchcraft Christianity is beyond the pale. Those beliefs have caused the banishment, and sometimes deaths, of innocent women in Africa. Not to mention her own daughter doesn't condone her ultra-religious views. Glad to see Bristol's got a somewhat 21st century worldview, unlike her mother.
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whether it's Hamas-controlled or not, Palestinians were systematically punished without justification. Have you read the latest in Haaretz? The eyewitness accounts of Israeli soldiers about the Gaza incursion? It's causing quite a controversy in Israel ... I can't wait to read the testimonies in full ...
IDF in Gaza: Killing civilians, vandalism, and lax rules of engagement
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: Israel News, IDF, Hamas, Gaza
During Operation Cast Lead, Israeli forces killed Palestinian civilians under permissive rules of engagement and intentionally destroyed their property, say soldiers who fought in the offensive.
The soldiers are graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military preparatory course at Oranim Academic College in Tivon. Some of their statements made on Feb. 13 will appear Thursday and Friday in Haaretz. Dozens of graduates of the course who took part in the discussion fought in the Gaza operation.
The speakers included combat pilots and infantry soldiers. Their testimony runs counter to the Israel Defense Forces' claims that Israeli troops observed a high level of moral behavior during the operation. The session's transcript was published this week in the newsletter for the course's graduates.
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The testimonies include a description by an infantry squad leader of an incident where an IDF sharpshooter mistakenly shot a Palestinian mother and her two children. "There was a house with a family inside .... We put them in a room. Later we left the house and another platoon entered it, and a few days after that there was an order to release the family. They had set up positions upstairs. There was a sniper position on the roof," the soldier said.
"The platoon commander let the family go and told them to go to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was okay, and he should hold his fire and he ... he did what he was supposed to, like he was following his orders."
According to the squad leader: "The sharpshooter saw a woman and children approaching him, closer than the lines he was told no one should pass. He shot them straight away. In any case, what happened is that in the end he killed them.
"I don't think he felt too bad about it, because after all, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men who I talked to ... I don't know how to describe it .... The lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. So as far as they are concerned they can justify it that way," he said.
Another squad leader from the same brigade told of an incident where the company commander ordered that an elderly Palestinian woman be shot and killed; she was walking on a road about 100 meters from a house the company had commandeered.
The squad leader said he argued with his commander over the permissive rules of engagement that allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning the residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, the squad leader's soldiers complained that "we should kill everyone there [in the center of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist."
The squad leader said: "You do not get the impression from the officers that there is any logic to it, but they won't say anything. To write 'death to the Arabs' on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics, really. It's what I'll remember the most."
More soldiers' testimonies will be published in Haaretz over the coming days.
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...her religious views, I suppose I have slammed those views via association.Oh well.
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Mar 19, 2009 11:02:57 AM CDT
BTW THE ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN IS THE ONE WHO FOLLOWS BALE
by bringingsexyback
Everything else is amateur.
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Mar 19, 2009 11:07:53 AM CDT
We need Zombie Thomas Jefferson to show Obama what's what
by soylentmean
Zombie Thomas Jefferson would raise his zombie army and destroy the Federal (ain't nothing "Federal" about it) Reserve. Predatory lending and magical air money production would stop.
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Next week Obama will interupt American Idol to indroduce comprehensive immigration reform. Are you glad you voted for Obama yet? There are right now 30 million illegal aliens. Every time amnesty is granted the number increases 10 fold. Let's see there are 300 million people in the U.S. 30x10=300+300=600. That's 600 million peple in the United States. Don't you just love to see the total destruction of the United States, this guy doesn't mess around when he is on roll.
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...of "anti-witchcraft Christianity". Back it up.
And let me know how this little nugget sits with you Mr."I also slam extremists of the Muslim faith."...
Obama authorizes a $1 billion dollar rebuilding program for Hamas-controlled Gaza.
...with me so far?
Hamas says that it wants an Islamic state all the way from the Jordan to the Mediterranean.
You are full of shit BSB.
You tolerate and in fact support Hamas as they It publish and promulgate the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
You don't give a shit about THOSE injustices because they suit your demented world view.
And while the modern day Christian view is ahem...not my cup of tea, I would never,EVER discriminate against one like your intolerant ass.
Exposed.
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Obama is going to interupt American Idol?!PRAISE THE LAWD!!!And I don't know what kind of crazy math you are doing but the man has never said anything about "amnesty".Gee...who has been letting in all those illegal immigrants anyway? It's not like this stuff just happened overnight.
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This isn't for you, it's for readers who possibly might not have made up their minds about you. You, on the other hand know full well what this is all about.
Nobody has a problem with Obama's middle name. I suspect you don't either. What you are doing instead is exploiting the ignorance of people who don't know any better by associating Obama with sinister forces by hinting at alien, Eastern, anti-American leanings through the use of his middle name.
You claim to use the same three-name model when discussing other presidents. You have been proven to be a liar about this.
Therefore, one must ask WHY you insist on using his middle name more than the middle names of other presidents? As Obama's middle name is the only one of the bunch that can be associated to foreign (non-American) evil by the ignorant mind, there can be but one reason why you insist on using it the way you do. If you had used the other presidents' middle names in the same way, we wouldn't even be having this debate.
Considering how slimy and despicable you truly are, I can but lament the fact that aren't words in the English language which adequately capture the depth of your loathsomeness. Thus, I will have to settle for cunt. Sorry I couldn't do better. -
Still waiting...
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In all religions there are different levels of open-mindedness and extremism. Plenty of Christians and Muslims are very tolerant and have a pluralistic world view, are open to science and are non-apocalyptic.
By the same token, both religions carry adherents who are fundamentalist, extremist, anti-science and thoroughly medieval in outlook.
I have no problem with a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, a Hindu, a Mormon or an atheist in the white house. What I do have a problem with are people who, no matter what their faith, believe in a six thousand year old Earth, who literally believe in Adam & Eve, that dinosaurs and humans coexisted and in the End Times. I don't care what particular place of worship someone calls home, but having the aforementioned beliefs makes a person a less reliable leader of the free world than someone who sees the real world for what it is and is capable of blending empirical facts with religious beliefs without distorting the latter.
Sarah Palin had every opportunity to debunk the stories dealing with her beliefs but never did so in any concrete manner.
Everybody has their own idea of where common sense ends and dogma begins, even you. The question is, why is your definition better than others?
Would a zealous Muslim or Christian president, who loved America yet by the laws of his or her faith must convert as many people as possible, be a fit president in your eyes? If not, then why not? -
Distorting the FORMER, is what I meant to say.
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In a summer of high gas prices, 50 percent unemployment and the doubling of the U.S. population...
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Since he's really just another corporate slut strutted out to the forefront, preaching hope and change and providing neither (because he has no real power in the first place). He's a show piece, nothing more.
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You presume that a president can come in and transform America with sweeping reforms of such an extreme nature? Please. The president is not a "king" to decree his or her whim as law of the land. Do you realize the leap of logic people make by assuming such a nonsensical paranoid view? Not to mention the pure ignorance of the U.S political system/framework.
I personally think anyone who believes dinosaurs existed w/ humans (or not at all in some cases) is ridiculous.
I also believe anyone who believes New York is going to be submerged underwater in 50-100 yrs because we've had the internal combustion engine for 150 years is ridiculous.
Neither of these beliefs disqualifies a persons ability to govern! They are mutually exclusive.
Wagner was a Nazi sympathizer prick and a man of GREAT flaws who wrote stellar music in my opinion. I need not wring my hands in guilt when I listen to Tristan and Isolde...the man was capable of great beauty.
No...the question is NOT why my definition of dogma is better than others because I don't judge them on their dogmatic beliefs.
The question for you is your criteria for a "ZEALOUS Muslim or Christian president". What constitutes a zealot exactly? Someone who doesn't share your views?
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He doesn't even know what a casualty is.
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Just out of curiosity. Who did you vote for?
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Then again, our vote is little more than a conciliatory formality that means nothing. Obama was going to win, no matter what. In my state I may as well not have voted at all thanks to the antiquated Electoral College (classes enrolling now).
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How dare you make those statements against me? What *exactly* is my "demented world view"?
Just as I don't believe all Israelis ought to be hated or punished for the actions and views of the extremists, I think the same goes for Palestinians, who ought not be hated or punished for what Hamas does. In my demented view, "Kill all the Arabs" is just as despicable a term as "Kill all the Jews".
Sorry if that doesn't jive with your opinion but that doesn't make me full of shit - but it does you. You've exposed nothing but your own bigotry and racism. -
I have enjoyed your posts roasting both sides. It might not seem like it, but I am way more on your side than any of the extremists like DocPazuzu and Mr. NiceGaius. Did you like Ron Paul?
As for Slobbo, I have no love for the man. As a true blue American, I could not give two shits about any two bit leader of some shit country. All I tried to explain was that Muslims were KILLING Christians and Slobbo tried to do something about it. Did he go about it the right way, maybe, maybe not. But I can guarantee you this, if he decided to kill Christians to save Muslims he'd be the Liberal Hero. You know this to be true. Liberals only hate religion in the Judeo Christian mode. They'll make all the apologies in the world for Muslim barbarity.
Good job criticalbliss and Coughlins Laws. I love when smart conservatives just destroy the Left and their lies. I love how not one of the Obama sycophants can even address all the campaign lies that Obama made. I love how all the Obama sycophants ignore all his gaffes which, if made by Bush, would be front page news. LIke how Barry thought there were 57 states, like how Barry tried to walk through a window at the White House. And remember when Biden called Obama "clean and articulate?" That's not racist, but Coughlins Laws is for calling Barry what his father called him? And Bush can be called W and shrub but Obama can't be called Hussein?
And as for Palin, I just wish she'd disappear and it makes me angry that a lot of dopes on the Right are enamored of her. She is not worthy to run the country, but neither is Obama, McCain, Biden or any of the guys who ran save Ron Paul, who the Left wingnuts smeared as a nutcase as they embrace Kucinich. My point is, even though I loathe Palin, enough with that fake rape kit story. Why do you Libs love to repeat lies? Why do you always try to appeal to the fears of the populace? Notice how Libs are always trying to scare old people, minorities and women into voting for them? Pathetic. And I love how they abdicate all responsibility for the housing mess. And what about Obama being the SECOND BIGGEST recipient of funds from AIG for his campaign? And how much did he get from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? That doesn't matter right? Idiots. -
I never said such sweeping changes were possible. It's beside the point. My question was whether you consider a person with such leanings -- implementable or not -- to be rational enough to be trusted with the fate of the world?
Let me put it this way: which president would I trust more -- one who had a rational, scientific view of the world and formed policies regarding natural resources bearing in mind that they are finite and need to be managed carefully, or a president who believed that once God's Kingdom is established on Earth, the world will be magically healed and cleansed and all resources will be replenished?
And don't tell me that presidents don't fall back on faith for guidance in their decision-making.
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...Wagner died in the 1880s.
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Okay that was pretty funny, Brane.
And for the record, I like Ron Paul a lot. The Left never smeared Mr. Paul - the Right did, and severely too. So much so that I delved further into his site and speeches, curious about the Republican the wingnuts hate so much. -
Hey BSB, did I read that right?! Did BraneStructureBalls just call me an "extremist"???HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!!!
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No BSB...the demented world view is one in which you see no problem with having Gaza controlled by Hamas... a leadership that is openly aligned with the moribund and vicious dictatorships in Iran and Syria. A leadership which spouts primeval propaganda of a land that is holy to one god and dedicated only to his fanatical supporters.
Hamas' leader Mahmoud al-Zahar said "In the Islamist Palestinian state, every citizen will be required to act in accordance with the codes of Islamic law."
Herein lies the rub: You have no problem with this at all... yet Sarah Palin provokes you into a blind, gibbering rage when by comparison she is a gnat...an impotent figure at best.
This shows your lack of judgement and clarity.
Put your glove back on.
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I'll give you 24 hours to find as many posts of mine as you can that illustrate how I'm some sort of "extremist".(Good luck on your research because you won't find any.)Go!
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You surprise me with your like of Ron Paul. I'm sure it has something to do with people thinking he is a Jew hater.
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I've ever seen.
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I can appreciate that.
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The way they call people cunts, evil, racist, morons, mouth breathers, fascists, scumbags. Yeah, so very polite!!! You must be a parody troll dude, cause I can't believe you write this shit with a straight face.
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How do you know I have no problem with it?
But the reality is this - Hamas provides essential medical and other critical services to the Palestinians, and as a besieged people, victims of democide, they embrace Hamas for helping them. They are misguided, but should not be punished and killed for it. They are looking to survive. Are you telling me that Jews in Poland and Germany would not have also embraced those who would help them, even if their methods were atrocious?
Another reality - Israeli policy for the last 60 years have been designed to turn the Palestinians to desperation. Israel wants them to be violent, because the Zionists thrive on victimhood and persecutionto advance their cause.
What about you, Who? Do you have a problem with Avigdor Lieberman's party coming in 3rd? Should Israel, and all Jews, be condemned for a surprisingly strong support for him? I don't think so, just as I don't think all Gazans/Palestinians ought to be condemned for the actions of Hamas.
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Mar 19, 2009 1:35:22 PM CDT
Dr. Who is still waiting for me to acknowledge him...
by leafar the lost
...and his wait is over. I would say that none of the religions are "right" (even my own), but I know that the beliefs of Gov. Sarah Palin are dead wrong. The Earth (and universe) is more than 10,000 years old. The Bible is not literal history. It is okay to be born gay. It is not okay to kill your kids if they disobey you. Women don't have to submit themselves to their husbands. Jesus was married and had sex with his wife. It is okay to have sex before you are married. I did, and so did Sarah Palin's daughter, Bristol. By the way, isn't her name a brand of cigarette? I pray to the Gods that Palin is the GOP's nominee in 2012, because it will make it entertaining, and Obama will easily win reelection. If you don't like that go to Hell...
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Well, sometimes you fight fire with fire. You're not exactly known for calm, eloquent posting, Mr. Sniffer.
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Quote: "The way they call people cunts, evil, racist, morons, mouth breathers, fascists, scumbags."Yep, you're pretty much all those. And I've used the same terminology (allowing for any and all adjustments) when going after Left-wing nutjobs, too.So, how is that research coming along?
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She provokes me because we're both Americans. And her close ties to radical and violent secessionists poses more of a danger to our country than Hamas does.
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He could eat 10 dozen oysters and make Michelle one very happy lady.
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You dont have a problem with those religious people in the white house, you said. But in your next sentence you said that what you do have a problem with is if they actually believe in their religions? So you do have a problem with religious people in the white house. You only want people in the white house who practice their religion as a pointless exercise without any belief in their religious teachings. I take it that you either hate religion, or that you honestly have very poor knowledge of religion. So your statement sounds like a totally nonstatement. It's this faux tolerance that you are claiming to have. Faux religious tolerance. But of course your tune would change immediately if a scientific discovery was announced at some symposium of some previously unknown variable that completely changed carbon dating results. But until that happens, your faith is unmovingly stuck on todays scientific theories, and there is no room for any politician who approaches life differently.
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I really hope you are right about Obama, and really only for my selfish personal needs. I don't really know why you think that he has stopped the bleeding as you put it, but that sounds great. I also hope that 2010 will have a great economy and by 2012 we are all begging him to be president again, because for my personal selfish desires, I want the economy to be doing that well by 2012, almost even if it means that we choose to start moving this country heavily towards the left as far as Obama wants us to go, which may be all the way. This is how badly I want a patch and healing for my own personal concerns, that I may be willing to watch this county go in the direction in which my children will see the day where they stand in bread lines and pay most of what they make to taxes, and of course wear drab clothing. This is possibly how selfish I am. Is there some substance behind your statements? Are things really going up from here? Can you please site some data that shows that we are starting a move in the right direction? Neither my wife nor I are even unemployed, but I am this rattled by the bad economy that I am almost hoping that Obama succeeds in fixing this mess. If he does succeed, my limited understanding of economies tells me that my daughters will have a more limited life than I had, and will see very difficult times, but all I can think about is just getting through the next few years. I'm somewhat being sarcastic and nasty here, but I'm also serious. I really do want to know if this economy is going to improve. I am right where Obama wants all of us- pretty desperate. Tell me if you know of data that shows a strong trend of improvement is occuring.
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I hope I'm right about Obama too. I'm optimistic. Do I have a crystal ball? Of course not. Am I confident we have the right person steering the ship? Absolutely. Name one other person who could do a better job as President today, other than Christian Bale.
And I hope you were *completely* saracastic in your post. Imagine the kind of future your daughters would have if Obama lost and the Republicans remained in power. A fucking wasteland of a totally collapsed economy, with the U.S. taken over by foreign corporations and banks. You should thank God Obama was elected. -
But to complicate matters further...What if the more rational, scientific candidate was diametrically opposed to you politically spealing whereas the candidate with the "questionable" religious beliefs was in lock step with your political views? Frankly, I don't know myself...just some hypothetical food for thought to illustrate the complexity of the variables involved.
I think it far fetched for a politician to seek office as a cover to then reveal a sinister religious agenda upon an unsuspecting public.
And sure faith informs decision making...so do morals. But as Joe Biden says about his Catholic faith concerning abortion...he does not extend his personal beliefs into the realm of policy...I believe him. Would you not extend that to Palin or anyone else who said the same? Maybe not and that's fine.
Anyway, I always appreciate reading your posts as I find you to be one of the more clear thinking and humorous posters here.
And as for Wagner...I always confuse him with both Strauss and Orff. Strauss was who I was referring to and I always mistake Orff's O Fortuna (from Excalibur) for Wagner. Too much shit on my ipod.
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Hi, it's me again. Some things to ponder: Were Israel to end their 'blockade' of Gaza and allow Hamas to become a thriving powerful political entity, do really think that Hamas would 'moderate' themselves and accept Israel as a reality? Or would they see this as encouragement to create a real army and military arsenal? If the Palestinian people became less 'desparate' would they eventually abandon Hamas or make them even more powerful? What about the West Bank? I think it's condescending to think that Hamas really doesn't believe what it says it does. Why do you think Israelis voted for Lieberman, and how would you convince them not to in the next (probably not to far off) election?
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DocPazuzu and Mr. NiceGaius are hardly extremists and I've been reading their posts for a long time.
The one post I do recall reading of yours was the creepy man stalking of Mori and the smelling his pits.
And don't paint Slobbo as some noble Christian warrior because "Muslims were KILLING Christians".
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Well whether or not you think Barack Obama is doing a good job, and personally I dont think he is doing a good job, it isn't a stretch whatsoever to say that there are probably a hundred thousand people in our country that could do a better job than Barack Obama. And I don't mean that even as a slight against him- I would say that about any president we have had. The fact that he had all his ducks in a row in the preperation to become president and another very smart person in this country didn't doesn't mean that that other person wouldn't be as capable or even more capable to run this country. There most definately is not anything particularly special about Barack Obama. I believe he is smart, not an amazing genius, but smart. So what? So are tons and tons of people. Ok what else is supposedly special about him? Well he is a good speaker. Well he's fine I guess. I never understood what is so electric about his speaking- to me it sounds a little weak and insincere, in any case, again there are many many very good speakers- many much better than him. And that is about it for Barack Obama, those are the virtues that everyone can agree on about him, and they aren't particulary rare. We're not talking about the most intelligent person in America here by a long shot, and we aren't talking about the best speaker in America, again not by a long shot. Those two things are pretty much all that you know about the guy, so what are you so excited about? He is kind of like Miley Cyrus. I know very little about her, but I'd bet she isn't anywhere near the best singer her age, and I have seen what she looks like and she is just as bland looking as a girl can possibly be- there are millions of girls that are powerfully more beautiful than her. Her personality is probably pretty bland as well. And yet she is the treasure of current american girls. Why? There is no reason. Just because some arbitrary consensus occured, based on nothing. There is nothing special about Miley Cyrus, and there is nothing special about Barack Obama. Celebrity just errupted for some meaningless reason. And now you talk about him like nobody could be doing a better job. It's no more or less ludicrous than a teenage girl gushing about how beautiful and talented Miley Cyrus is. She most definately is not beautiful, the girl saying that just has no ability to make the judgement she just pronounced.
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You're insane.
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I have no problem with you, either, and find you cordial and enjoyable to debate with.
As for the dilemma you mentioned, I would say that I would have loads of problems with a president with political views the opposite of mine, but as long as he or she was level-headed and lived within a sphere of rationality I would have no reason to fear that person doing something completely bizarre based on a severely impaired view of the world and the universe at large.
As for the second part of the problem, it gets more difficult -- not because that president shares my politics, but because I have a hard time imagining someone sharing my politics who would also believe that the universe is six to ten thousand years old and that dinosaurs didn't fit on Noah's ark, therefore perishing in the Great Flood. -
The difference between you and me is that I WOULD change my world view if scientific discovery and evidence suggested I do so, whereas you would retain your creationist views NO MATTER how much evidence to the contrary was thrown at you.
Here's some food for thought: my wife considers herself a Christian and believes in God, yet is a biochemist and also believes in evolution and a universe billions of years old.
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Come on sportfans! Come on down and step on up SIR!!!! Strap on the rockets and start blasting away!Here we are in the StellarDoor Arena in Sunny Arias Mons where we finally will have the ultimate BATTLE ROYALE 2000!In the northen end of the arena stands the Mighty Left with their single sheets of toilet paper and their birkenstocks!!! Their champion: Sean "Megatron" Penn!!!!.And in the southern end of the arena stands the Mighty Right with their xeroxed copies of the ten commandments and their lapel pins!!! Their Champion: Samuel "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher!!!Place your bets sports fans! Place your bets! Winner gets to take Sarah Palin and Rachel Madows to the local Dairy Queen for free Sundays!!!!! Plus you get a really neat-O trophy that says you kicked the _____-wing's ass in single combat!!!!! Plus, everybody will think you're awesome and really great!
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"Are you telling me that Jews in Poland and Germany would not have also embraced those who would help them, even if their methods were atrocious?" ...The Jews did not vote the Nazi party into power.
I feel horror and disgust at the thought that a whole new generation of Arab Palestinians is being born into the dispossession and/or occupation already suffered by their grandparents and even great-grandparents.
I also wish that the Israeli air force could find and destroy all the arsenals of Hezbollah and Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
I do not think a Jewish state in Palestine will still be in existence a hundred years from now. They will ultimately be driven into the sea. Yaaaaay...you win.
It is a moral idiot who thinks that anti-Semitism is a threat only to Jews. The most depressing spectacle of the past decade or two, for all those who care about democracy and secularism, has been the degeneration of Palestinian Arab nationalism into the theocratic hell of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. It is an obscenity to explain this away by glib terms like 'despair' or occupation' and to accept the Hamas gangsters without mentioning their racist manifesto.
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When you're done digging up the proof of MNG's extremism, please find the time to put the claims about you in their "right context" so we can all see how wrong we are about you.
Also, let me kill yet another one of your pathetic straw men:
There has never been an instance in these talkbacks where those of us who hate you have EVER said that we support mass murder of Christians of Jews. On the contrary, we've pointed out the heinousness of murdering innocents OF ALL FAITHS AND ETHNICITIES. You, on the other hand, find it perfectly acceptable to exterminate large populations of men, women and children if they belong to a religious or ethnic group which you have taken a dislike to.
To summarize:
1) Us = people who condemn ethnic cleansing and mass murder in all its forms.
2) You = someone who considers ethnic cleansing and mass murder acceptable if not downright desirable if it happens to the "right" people.
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Leno represents the most dumbed-down, thoughtless, meaningless aspects of our culture. Obama represents the same thing. But at least people didn't VOTE for Leno.
Obama just can't stop campaigning. He misses the love. He's like Bill Clinton in that regard. He is so used to the admiration of the brain-dead masses, he just doesn't know what to do when he's away from it for any length of time.
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You said if the GOP was in office we'd have "A fucking wasteland of a totally collapsed economy, with the U.S. taken over by foreign corporations and banks. You should thank God Obama was elected."
Instead, we'll have a fucking wasteland of a totally collapsed economy with the corporations and banks having been taken over by the government. I do not thank God Obama was elected. He has managed to double our debt almost overnight and is in the midst of creating a new socialist system to replace our old capitalist one. He is in effect, with the help of the Dems in Congress, turning the USA into Europe-West.
And almost everyone he has nominated for appointment has been either a tax cheat or some other sort of unethical person. I suppose the platform of "Hope and Change" didn't work out quite as you had thought, huh? Change isn't always for the better. Obama just Hopes you don't realize that before it's time for re-election. -
Well a universe 15 to 20 billion years old and an earth 5 billion years old doesn't interfere with a belief in God as described by the bible. Personally I feel that this is the case as well, that these billions of years dates seem to be accurate, and I also believe that evolution could have quite possibly been the tool by which God had created life. I reallly have no problem with any of this, nor do most christians. However, I am also open minded enough to consider that perhaps the earth is indeed only a few thousand years old, and science is not perfectly correct. In fact I know that science is not perfectly correct because the best scientists that I know of are constantly reminding us of that fact. They say that the only truth that is sacred in science is that there are no sacred scientific truths. But religion isn't science, and it doesn't try to be, nor should it try to be. Religion is not based on empirical evidence, it is another part of life altogether. You can either learn what that means, and perhaps accept it with respect. Or you can disrespect it entirely by completely avoiding it and basing your knowledge of it on your most superficial and distant observations. The point is, I don't really care if Sarah Palin believes the world is only a few thousand years old. I am open up enough to the possiblity that she may be right, primarily because I haven't been alive for several thousand years to see if she is right or wrong. I am not going to shun her because of one single scientific method that contradicts her. It may be widely accepted by great minds, but that doesnt gaurantee it's correctness.
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Even entertaining the idea that the Earth is a few thousand years old is laughable. You say religion "isn't science" and isn't trying to be, but in America that's EXACTLY what some people are trying to make it. By using shoddy methods they are attempting to even the playing field to the point where a literal interpretation of Genesis is equal to that of the general scientific version. You think it will stop at that? No, once the playing field is leveled, the fundies will try to edge science out completely.
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You must be joking, right?
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I love the Obama/Miley metaphor. It pretty much sums up the shallowness of thought of so many Americans...symbolism over substance. Emotionalism over critical thinking. Not that Obama is as shallow as a pop star...but politicians in my book are not to be fawned over. Respect if earned, but please...put your collective toungues back in your collective mouths people.
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Mar 19, 2009 4:35:09 PM CDT
if there had been a terroist event in the dysing days of..
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the campaign. McCain would have won the election. and Sarah plainly bonkers would have the first female president. They would have claimed McCain suffered a heart attack. or engineerred a political Coup. You only had to listen to the folks coming to her campaign rallies, to realise how racist she was. The telling moment in the McCain Campaign was towards the end when a woman went up to McCain and said that she didnt america to be run by an arab. look at the shock on McCains face when she said that.
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It's like listening to retarded kids describe complex mathematics. Thank you all for posting. You make my workday so much more enjoyable. Please, please don't stop now.
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"You only had to listen to the folks coming to her campaign rallies, to realise how racist SHE (Palin) was."
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It is a terrific analogy isn't it? No I certainly don't mean to imply that Obama is as shallow as a pop star, and you didnt interpret it that way. But yes, the point is that Obama success as a politician is as baffling and pointless to me as Miley Cyrus's success as a celebrity. There is no substantive explanation, and is almost a waste of time trying to figure out what the explanation is. It's probably nothing more complicated than the interesting phenomenon that there was a massive public hunger to get a black president in office around this time. Obama is most definately no Dr. Martin Luther King, if that is how liberals see him. There was a man that had a message and had substance. And one of his great messages was one which they have completely rejected it seems. He said that he dreamed of a day when a man would not be judged by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character. Well perhaps liberals thought that what Martin Luther King meant was that we shouldnt judge a person by the color of his skin unless we were giving him an approving judgement- then we can judge him by the color of his skin all day and night.
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but it applies to most mainstream candidates. It could apply equally well to McCain and DEFINITELY to Palin. I mean Obama is a total manufactured presence but at the very least his image was forged to represent tolerance, clear-thinking, and reason. I don't think that's what he actually is (and I didn't vote for him, by the way). Palin, on the other hand, was a caricature of small-mindedness, zealoutry, and meanness. I suppose that in itself says something about the images the two main parties want to present in the US.
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As for the Earth being a few thousand years old...as DocPaz says IS laughable. It is truly ridiculous.
As inaccurate as carbon dating may be...it is far more accurate then anything religious fundamentalists use...which is 'nothing but there imaginations'.
There is nothing about this beautiful universe and it's wonderous workings that is not a miracle. Human intelligence is itself a gift from God (or whatever you like to refer to) and is ours to reflect upon infinite creation. It baffles me how people can't seem to reconcile the two at some level.
Rigid adherence to a religious text is the mark of a fool, for anything put down by the hand of man is flawed. These things are merely sign posts pointing the way...not the way itself. The bible/Quran etc. is no more an accurate representation of "truth" anymore than my 5 yr olds drawing of our house IS ACTUALLY OUR HOUSE.
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Why would you care about depleting the planets resources, if you are an environmentalist? If you are talking about oil, then I would assume that you can't wait to deplete all the oil, so long as we leave enough at the end to make plastic, which you probably would want to do away with anyway. But I will admit, religiously, we typically don't worry as much as you do about harming the earth. That doesn't mean we don't care about the state of the earth, we just don't agonize about it because we don't worship the earth. If you are an atheist, I can understand that this common christian attitude would bother you, and I understand your worry. Honestly I do. But remember that you have a hyper religious group of zealots whispering into your ear as well. It is my belief that EVERYONE worships something, even atheists. And when people worship nature as heavily as environmentalists do, they worship without a set of rules that contain them within a moral code. After all, lying is perfectly natural. So to lie for the "greater good" is a very correct principle. I don't know this first hand, so I don't know this is for sure the case, but I have absolutely no reason to think otherwise because we are talking about people who worship the most basic instincts of man. Lie, Kill, Fornicate and cultivate a society in which an increasing amount of children grow up in broken homes, miserable and empty with no structure, who will continue the cycle of obeying the laws of natural instincts. These are the people who are telling us interesting facts about the decay of their precious earth and mother nature. I have seen too much nature looking just fine and beautiful to really worry that it is in as much of a state of decay as some would have me believe. I will believe when I actually see the decay with my own eyes, so far, nothing.
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Palin...mean?? She may be a lot of things but she strikes me more of an average lady/neighbor/den mother type.
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...anyone else having trouble posting elsewhere? I know DGDB said he can't log on from work...no wonder it seems so peaceful around here.
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Well I think you read enough of what I have said to see that I am not too far off from what you are saying. I know the history of the Cosmos as astronomers describe it, and the history of life as biologists describe it. And it all sounds correct to me. The advantage that religious people such as myself have is that we don't need these scientific conclusions to be wrong in order to be right, but the same is not true the other way around. And I like your analogy about the drawing of a house not being the actual house. As for carbon dating, I have very little understanding of how it works, and it is not my vocation to learn. And so, I place very little belief in something I know so little about. I believe that the people who understand it are extremely smart people, so it seems like it is possibly quite correct. These are the same types of people that have placed several spacecraft on Mars almost exactly where they intended it to be. However, they are also the same type of people that thought that the sun went around the earth. Before they knew better, they had a model of the sun and planets going around the earth which seemed to fit observations quite accurately, but not quite perfect. When the truth was discovered by Copernicus and Keppler, all of that had to be thrown out.
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1. U.S. is overpopulated through comprehensive imigration reform otherwise known as amnesty. This causes a massive importation of illegal alien relatives and a huge baby boom of anchor babies.
2. Commercial real estate calapses
3. Inflation hits hard
4. Food riots erupt and cities burn
5. Full nationalization of Healthcare and Banks
7. Martial Law declared
8. Gun amo banned
9. Radio stations must "go digital"
10. Term limits eliminated
-so say we all
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But, its okay for shithead Rush to blabber on
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So, not only do you assume I'm an atheist, you also assume that I'm an environmentalist and utterly amoral as well.
Jumping to those conclusions based on this conversation truly exposes how narrow-minded and limited your understanding is. We've had a similar debate earlier, you and I, and you were just as sadly ignorant and unimaginative then as you are now.
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I assumed no such things. I hope you read my words more carefully. I specifically remember making an effort not to assume those things when talking about you. I remember saying something like "if you are an environmentalist", which I think clearly did not label you as one. I was far more delicate with my words about you than you were for me. Nice. Of what type of facts am I so ignorant of that you are so knowledgable about? And what makes you think I am unimaginative? Imagination is my career, and I am quite good at it, so that seems pretty silly to me. It sounds like you just pulled a few slanderous words out of your brain at random and accused me of them.
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Let's ask Sarah Palin.
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I don't know, but lying about your taxes is about as wrong a lying to a robber in an alley about how much money you have in your pocket.
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Just as dangerous to do as well, so don't do either. Both the IRS and the robber will mostly likely find out and they will both be so angry that they may destroy your life, so the best thing to do in either situation is just be honest to either crook.
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Notice how Liberals bend over backwards to try to "understand" the terrorists? They're always like we need to understand why they're doing this, hating them and punishing them is not the answer blah blah blah. Of course they only say that cause Bin Laden killed Americans. So with Slobbo do you get any of those kinds of responses from Liberals? NOOOOO! They don't care to understand why Slobbo did what he did, all they care about is punishing someone for killing Muslims. As I said, if he were killing Christians, the Libs would not have a problem with him. And where did I refer to him as some noble Christian Warrior? Oh that's right, I didn't.
DocPazuzu, your wife is a fake Christian. Read some Sam Harris if you want to be enlightened about so called religious moderation. Religious moderation is no religion at all, cause all you do is cherry pick the shit you like, and ignore the shit you don't. If she were a real Christian, she'd think owning slaves is fine and a whole bunch of other nonsense. Same with Muslims, if they don't want to kill or convert the world, they are not real Muslims, they're phonies. But most "religious" people are phonies. Bin Laden is not a phony, and that is why he is scary. People who truly believe their religion are dangerous as hell! But I would not expect an idiot extremist like yourself to understand that. Now go back to your fake wife and sodomize her according to her religion's dictates. Has your head exploded yet you fucking nincompoop?
And you are an extremist as long as you label me as one. You guys always like to ignore my support for choice and gay marriage, my support for drug and prostitution legalization, my support for the arts and the way I think our rights are scared and should not be taken away in a time of "crisis," and how I was against the Iraq invasion and against all foreign incursions that have little do with American security, like Kosovo!! Slobbo can rot in hell for all I care, but it was a bullshit war we waged for bullshit reasons. Same with WWI, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, so on and so forth. I guess all that makes me a right wing extremist right? I find a lot of people, like yourself, are quite close minded about the wide variety of opinions a human being can hold. You like to label people, well, you only call out the Right, never the Left, and put them into little compartments. If an opinion of theirs doesn't jibe with what you thought they believed, you ignore it and just keep pounding on the thing you disagree with. And why would I do research for MNG's comments? Unlike you, I do not waste my time recollecting everything ever said here. I've been around long enough to know that both of you, for the most part, ignore the violent and ignorant statements from the Left. Not one of you has taken BSB to task for his Jew hating in this thread, why? Oh right, the right wingers are worse. Sure thing pal...
And you idiots say they're trying to turn religion into science? I see you have no problem with Libs turning science into a religion though. God, you guys are so easy to take apart, it should be criminal to do so.
DoctorWho? you said a very insightful thing which I agree with but you left one part out. You said "Rigid adherence to a religious text is the mark of a fool, for anything put down by the hand of man is flawed." Could we not say the same about rigid adherence to scientific things as well. How many things we thought we knew, that we thought science proved, turned out to be wrong? Lots. So I agree with you, but you didn't go far enough. To err is human, but apparently, to Libs, scientists are not human, cause they're never wrong, and if you question the scientist, you must be a religious zealot.
But I must say, I enjoy reading the posts of Samus Aran and DoctorWho?, because it seems like they think about these issues, instead of the reactionary bullshit and back slapping of DocPazuzu and Mr. Nice Gaius among others. So Samus and DocWho?, you may think me to be a monster or evil or whatever, which is fine, unlike others, I take nothing personal here. But I do enjoy you guys, keep it up. We need more intelligence like you guys display than the ignorance of the ones I have already cited. -
DocPazuzu is a lowly troll, try not take his bait like I stupidly have. He is a moron who is only interested in hearing his own voice. As you can see, he refuses to read the actual posts in their entirety and just makes shit up. So take whatever he says about anything with a grain of salt. He is a troubled, delusional child. Nothing more.
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Yes it does make them a cheat, and if Sarah Palin owes back taxes then she is a cheat. Notice how the Liberals in here ignored my contempt for Palin and instead just kept on calling me a right wing extremist?
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Samus Aran. If it makes you feel comfortable, that's fine.
Just don't try to pretend that there's anything rational about your position.
As for your "argument" that all people who are concerned about the environment subscribe to a "religion" - that's obviously stupid. The environment contains no supernatural components. Environmentalists are concerned about the facts disclosed by people who are measuring changes in the environment.
By the way, you appear to know nothing about science.
Maybe that's because you regard yourself as an "imaginative" person who doesn't need to be logically rigorous.
"Science" just a systematic way of observing and measuring things accurately, then finding patterns in what has been discovered. Unlike religion, it's not a system arbitrary beliefs. Belief without evidence is unacceptable to scientific people. It's mandatory for religious people.
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You said "Belief without evidence is unacceptable to scientific people." Obviously you're excluding the new religion of anthropomorphic global warming, which has scant evidence for all the grand claims. A scientist makes a computer model program, puts in what he wants, and gets whatever results he wants. Science is a question you fucking smug ignoramus. Stop attacking Samus for daring to see it as such.
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I'm going to take your bait for a second. A religion doesnt have to have anything to do with the supernatural. It has to do with worship and I guess faith. And people indeed do worship ALL sorts of things in this world. I myself almost worship video games- it's true. If I was less disiplined I would worship sex, and most people do. Then there are those who worship death and killing, and those who worship money. There are religions all over the place, most without any substance. The worship of nature is not a new religion by any means, it's as old as it gets, but it has evolved. And make no mistake, within each of these religions exist strict rules to which the followers intensely follow. It is a terrific explanation of why so many people writing here are so intensely emotional about their viewpoints. If there is a god, then perhaps one of these religions is actually correct. And I think I definately at least know something about science. I know quite a few facts, and I am fascinated by them, and I really love science. So that is a silly thing to say about me. Perhaps you know more about science than me, but that doenst mean I dont know anything. And yes science needs to be logically rigorous as you say. Which means that it can afford to question itself- in fact that is the bravest form of science. Nothing I have said suggested that I think science should be approached in the same way as religion. So that was probably a silly comment by you as well. The weird thing is that I always listen to atheists try to approach religion the same way as science. Some seem to think that you need to prove the existance of god through empiracle evidence. They can't seem to handle the concept of two different sources of truth, I can. Perhaps I can explain the difference between two very valid ways of exploring truth in this way: Science is public, Religion is personal. By this I mean that Science can be proven publicly, and religion can be proven personally. For those who do not believe, understand that religion has not failed to bring deep proof to those who do. But if you must, continue following studies on cases where one group of sick people were prayed for and another group were not prayed for. If this is the only way that you can understand and approach religion, then you immediately show your simplistic view.
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RowdyRoddyStriper/Brane/Thunderballs.
I piss on your puny hate, fascist.
("Fascist" being an accurate name for a person who believes that Milosevic's conduct was justifiable).
The only significant group of people who share your opinions about anthropomorphic global warning are a dwindling group of US neo-cons who think it's a political issue, not a scientific issue.
You're so gullible - believing the spin of oil and energy companies which was sold to the Republican party (in exchange for political donations) for two decades.
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That is, whether or not religious beliefs are rational.
Everyone is entitled to their private beliefs, rational or irrational.
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facts presented by who? people who are highly interested in getting you to come to their same conclusions? facts presented by people that you have never met? There is a little too much enthusiasm out there for me to believe everything that I am told. It's way too confusing, and so honestly, I dont know what to believe. I don't know how you have figured out who is lying and who is telling the truth.
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what exactly are you worried about happening? Are you scared that the government is going to start forcing you to go to church or something? seriously, what is going to happen that is so scary to you- I just don't see any such thing on the horizon in this country. I think Christians potentially have more to fear from the government in the future than do atheists
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This logical science that you write about is the science that declared Pluto a planet which is the same science that declared Pluto not to be a planet.This is the same science claimed in the 70's that we were going to be wiped out by acid rain. Have the rain forests been mowed down and replaced with grazing livestock? And when the hell are the African killer bees ever going to get here?The most voluminous greenhouse gas is water vapor and carbon emissions are allegedly destroying the environment. This means that we're killing the planet with... plant food.Global cooling became global warming became climate change. The politicization of science has turned it into SCIENCE!!
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What don't you fucking understand?
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What about me screams "Jew-hater" to you? Elucidate, por favore.
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Mar 19, 2009 8:19:04 PM CDT
DOCWHO, SAMUS - I THINK BRANE WOULD LIKE A WHIFF OF YOU
by bringingsexyback
You may think him a monster, evil, or whatever, but he enjoys you both.
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It' only fair we bring his mother into it. That's as close to a wife as he'll ever have.
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Don't act ignorant. You know as well as all of America, that Palin incited fear and hatred at her rallies with inflammatory language. Don't play like you don't.
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For them to flood Pennsylvania Avenue so he can walk on water...
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To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you govern the country with the people you have, not the people you wish you had.
Sure, I wish Obama had picked squeakly clean people for his cabinet, or that his appointees were forthright, or that they had been more thoroughly vetted. Yet none of those problems I would attribute to Obama himself. He has owned up to every mistake or problem, unlike the last President, who never admitted a mistake - even when those thousands of mistakes arrived in caskets. -
"It is an obscenity to explain this away by glib terms like 'despair' or occupation' and to accept the Hamas gangsters without mentioning their racist manifesto."
You know what's obscene? Deliberate, systematic democide and people - like you - who make excuses for it. Not that you're doing such a great job of it; Israel has now gone past the point of redemption. The curtain is gone. -
You never seem to let facts get in the way of your deluded fantasies. Tell me, are you aother one of the dopes who believes people were yelling "Kill Him!!!" at Palin rallies when she mentioned Obama's name? You know, the Secret Service takes that kind of shit seriously. They investigated for WEEKS until it was proven to be another LEFT WING MEDIA lie designed to help Obama. And as for all the dopes at the Palin rallies who said they didn't want to vote for an Arab so they weren't voting for Obama, do you care that at Obama rallies people were saying how great it would be to have a Muslim president? Ignorance cuts both ways.
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Mar 19, 2009 8:37:27 PM CDT
AND I'M SURE IT'S GLIB TO MENTION DESPAIR AND OCCUPATION
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when even IDF soldiers are criticizing the killing of innocent people, including unarmed women and children.
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"They investigated for WEEKS until it was proven to be another LEFT WING MEDIA lie designed to help Obama."
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I remember you now, you're the brainwashed moron who thinks we're all gonna drown next year. Isn't that what Gore said? By 2010 some cities will be flooded? You're so gullible, believing the spin of political environmental groups which was sold to the Democrat Party (in exchange for government funding) for two decades.
Face the facts, halfwit. There is overwhelming direct evidence which supports the proposition that man-made CO2 emissions are not creating extreme weather conditions all over the world. Remember back in the day when hurricanes, floods, tornadoes and storms were due to natural causes? Ah, that was awesome. Now anytime there's a flood or a hurricane or a severe rainstrom it's cause of global warming!!!! HURRY!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! There's been idiots like you for centuries warning that the world was about to end, but it never did. Immortal_Fish totally schooled your ass anyway, I just wanted to pile on cause it really is so easy to pick your bullshit apart.
As for Slobbo, I take it you feel the same way about Leftists who want to try and understand why the terrorists do what they do? The ones who say we have to understand where Bin Laden is coming from? I hope they feel your wrath as well, though something tells me you agree with them. -
They determined that no such thing ever happened, and certainly not on multiple occasions. Wake up dude and turn off Jon Stewart for a second. I love how Libs make fun of conservatives for getting their news from Fox, when they get their news from a comedy show on a comedy channel. Sums up what Liberals really are, a motherfuckin' joke!
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....never once mentions that the Arabs want to destroy all of Israel? Notice how it is always what the Israelis do to the Pallies?
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It's not my fault you can't compose a sensical sentence. Why don't you re-read your post and explain how I got it wrong. And stop with the extremist name-calling.
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What are you referring to? Someone yelling "Kill him"? What the fuck are you blabbering about? Are you high on DocWho's BO?
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Heaven fuckin' forbid I leave out a comma in response to AICN's local Jew hating scum. The Secret Service determined that no such incident ever took place, but that don't stop idiots like you from repeating the lie. As you and Bale like to say, what don't you fuckin' understand?
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Do *all* Israelis want Arabs dead?
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You'd think the Libs, with ALL their education, would be smart enough not to make up a lie that would prompt an investigation from the Secret Service. But that never stopped their lie/smear machine before. No one ever yelled Kill Him at a Palin rally. But I do remember Obama calling Palin a pig, cause he is SO classy!
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NO Israelis want Arabs dead you retard! They want to live in peace and be left alone. If the Israelis wanted to, they could increase their borders tenfold right now, but they don't. Because even after all the suicide bombs and all the Palestinian lies, Israel just wants to be left alone! And do all Arabs want Israel destroyed? Of course not, but most of them do, or at least their leaders, and in that part of the backward world, as the leaders go so goes the populace.
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while McCain was speaking. And it took him aback. If memory serves right.
The Secret Service investigated Obama and determined that he did not call Palin a pig. He said McCain and Palin's policies were more of the same - and that dressing them up in a different manner is akin to putting lipstick on a pig. The policies are still bad, just like a pig is still a pig.
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Well that's good news!!! I'm sure all the dead Palestinians would be happy to hear that. Don't I feel silly!!
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And not driven from their homes, their farms, into refugee camps where shipments of food and medicine are controlled by Israel. What do you think?
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Which explains the similarity in arguments (such as they are) between you and Dear Leader Limbaugh.
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Obama made the comment right after Palin made a comment, in one of the most widely heard speeches, about her lipstick. Anyone who isn't a partisan hack would have known what he was referring to. If the positions were reversed and it was some Democrat woman that was said about, you can bet your bottom dollar you'd say the Republican was trying to call the Democrat a pig. You DVR Daily Show, go back and see what your God Jon said about it. You do know he's a Jew right? Just checking. Oh wait, he's one of the good Jews right cause he never sticks up for Israel? My bad.
Why are there those dead Palestinians? They were lounging in their backyard by the pool and the Israelis just decided to kill them for no reason? Does the PA have any culpability in the deaths of their own people? What do you want the Israelis to do? Tell me. They've given back as much land as they could without destroying themselves, and the rockets still get fired over. What do you want the Israelis to do? How should they respond to that? I know I know, if Canad was lobbing rckets over here you'd say it was our fault too. Fuck off Nazi. -
Mar 19, 2009 9:11:49 PM CDT
"they could increase their borders tenfold right now"
by bringingsexyback
No they can't. The only thing they know how to do is shoot old ladies and children.
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There's no such thing as a "Palestinian" anyway. They're all a bunch of gypsies who move from place to place and have gotten kicked out of every Arab country you hold so dear to your heart. But the Pallies never attacked the other Arabs for kicking them out, only the Jews, why is that? Is it cause when the Arabs ran the country it was a total desert, and since the Jews took over it is a vibrant place? How many rights do Jews have in other Arab countries?
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Just stop trying to pretend like you're not a rabid, frothing at the mouth Jew hater. So the Israelis only kill old ladies and children huh? Who do the Palestinians kill? Who do they target?
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Don't be so surprised, but I don't watch The Daily Show. I'm busy watch Jewish Task Force on public access. Those guys crack me up more than Jon Stewart does.
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You sure are passionate about Israel. Are you sure you're an American?
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Vibrant with human trafficking and sex slavery, perhaps. But there is hope on the proverbial horizon:
Last update - 17:20 19/03/2009
Israel to UN: We'll improve treatment of minorities
Ha'aretz
Tags: Minorities, Human Rights
The Israeli envoy to the United Nations in Geneva said Thursday Israel will improve its treatment of minorities and prisoners, taking on board some suggestions made in a review of its human rights record before the UN.
Israel received 54 recommendations from other countries as part of the UN Human Rights Council's regular scrutiny of all the global body's members. Many suggestions focused on Israel's continued occupation of Palestinian territory and abuses against the population there.
"Israel takes note of the recommendation to intensify its efforts to ensure that human rights are respected in the fight against terrorism," Israel's ambassador Aharon Leshno-Yaar said.
Of his country's treatment of minorities, Leshno-Yaar said it would redouble efforts to increase women's representation in society, address gaps between the various populations and raise the percentage of the Arab minority in the civil service.
Responding to demands from Denmark, Britain and Canada that prison conditions be improved and allegations of torture be investigated, he said Israel will strive to meet its international obligations.
Leshno-Yaar also said that those who object to serving in Israel's army service on conscientious grounds will be allowed to fulfill their obligatory national service with a civilian body independent of the military.
It was the first time that Israel appeared before the Geneva-based council's newly created review, which is designed to examine each country's record every four years.
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and are guaranteed representation under their Constitution? I bet your mom didn't teach you that in homeschool, did she?
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Mar 19, 2009 9:36:07 PM CDT
Great, so now he's going to be accused of insulting disabled
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people. You'd think he could control his words. "It's like the Special Olympics"?? Sigh.
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How fucking stupid are you dude? Talk about hmeschooling! Laughing my ass off over here. And JTF is the fucking truth! Long live Chaim Ben Pesach! He speaks truth to power. And like me, he has called for an end to all foreign aid to Israel from America.
Did you know after the Israelis took over, orange trees actually starting growing, because of their irrigation techniques they learned in something called a school, something the Palestinians never believed in was actually educating yourself, which was why the land was a barren wasteland before the Jews took over.
I bet BSB has some "Jew landlord" or some "Jew boss" which is the reason he hates Jews so much. Either that or he ate a bad piece of gefilte once. -
Mar 19, 2009 10:15:04 PM CDT
DocP and RowdyBraneRobotStriper on same side against BSB?
by toadkillerdog
Holy fuck this could be the end of the world!
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Yes I look like a jackass with that error, but my point still stands. BSB is so dumb he thinks Iranians are Arabs. And Persians are considered Caucasian as well. Arabs....what a fucking idiot.
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Mar 19, 2009 10:21:13 PM CDT
Yo Brane , you've always looked like a jack - nah too easy
by toadkillerdog
I must be getting nicer in my old age. You left yourself wide open for that one, but I'll let you slide. The earth must be tilting. You and DocP on same side, and me not taking a freebie attack?
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Was FAR more entertaining than watching Obama peddle his snake oil on The Tonight Show! :) BTW, is the B.O. back in D.C. yet, or is he still in California sampling the medicinal marijuana?
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Just bring Obama out. You're bombing
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Just bring Obama out. You're bombing
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Obama's administration MADE Chris Dodd put in protections ensuring those AIG bonuses in the infamous "Stimulus" Bill... and then Obama SIGNED the thing into law!!!What a lying, shameless sack of poo this guy is... B.O. indeed! >:(
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Talk talk talk. Don't do anything.
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Mar 19, 2009 11:13:53 PM CDT
Either Obama LIED saying he didn't know about AIG...
by theghostwholurks
Or he's simply an incompetent for not READING the Stimulus Bill he demanded be rushed through and put on his desk before anyone in Congress had a chance to read it. Personally, I think it's more than a little of both.Democrats in Congress WROTE it, Obama's administration had Dodd put in the material providing for AIG's bonuses, and yet Obama is now "stunned" that it occurred??? The only things he's "stunned" at is the fact that the American people actually found out about it this soon!
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Leno is all about the ratings and the viewers so of course landing Obama on his show is important to him. It's all business. Obama on the other hand has to try and persuade Americans that his bailouts, policy changes, and other "changes" he has done in the last 2 months aren't going to bite us all in the ass.
Time will tell, but I think that throwing money at major financial problems as a fix is a fantasy. It's like the blonde girlfriend who racked up the credit card and opens up another card to pay off the first card. It is utterly retarded.
I think we should all start adding to the food storage, growing gardens this spring and uniting on those things that make us Americans because man oh man – we haven’t seen anything yet…
America got this way because we allowed our Government to get too entrenched in business and the lives of the citizens. Americas leaders have sold us down the river using promises and lies to secure more power and wealth.
I really do wish Obama’s actions will help but I see no light at the end of the tunnel. In my opinion the best thing Bush and Obama could ever have done was NOTHING…absolutely nothing… -
That's what I was thinking watching Obama trying to ad-lib without his teleprompter. Way to insult the handicapped, you jackass! >:(Now get back to Wasington and DO THE JOB WE HIRED YOU FOR!!!
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The idiot says Persians are Arabs, gets called on it, and slinks away like a little bitch! What a fuckin' douche.
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Mar 19, 2009 11:46:03 PM CDT
If Obama's going on Leno to "persuade" the voters...
by theghostwholurks
He's "persuading" the lowest common denominator who watch Leno's show simply for cheap and easy-to-digest laughs. They have no real interest in policy... Jay's audience want to see CELEBRITY. That's the REAL reason why Obama went on: A cheap and easy fix of adoration on national TV during a time when some very uncomfortable questions are being asked about the performances of both Obama and his Treasury Secretary and their "plans" to fix the financial mess we're in.Obama clearly doesn't want to deal with the responibilities he's faced with, because outside of making public speeches via teleprompter, he continually avoids or passes on those responsibilities — and any blame if something goes wrong — onto someone ELSE. He truly is a self-centered and empty suit. >:P
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But I think it is hilarious whenever a Liberal gets bit in the ass by the very thing they fostered and nurtured in society. How's it feel Barry? Kinda sucks when you can't just make innocent jokes doesn't it? Kinda sucks that telling such jokes makes some people think you're judgmental doesn't it? Does this mean we can start telling jokes about blacks again?
Here's one, a black guy and a parrot walk into a bar. The bartender says "Hey where did you get him from?" and the parrot says "Africa, they're all over the fuckin' place!" -
And I'm Black! :)
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I wish I could go now and tell that joke without fear of reprisal.
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Just enjoy it in the safety of your own home, or we'll kick your @$$! >:)
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I actually do see a light at the end of the tunnel. Fortunately it won't come to us in the form of government, it will come to us in the form of american people just simply getting things going again. They are the force to be reckoned with and the way I see it, this country is going to get better whether Barack Obama likes it or not. I truly believe things are going to get better, and I think soon- but it is going to be beautiful who can take the credit, we the people. So don't despair. I'm not.
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It wasn't in the stimulus bill you numbnuts
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How I do miss them...
First off, I am white and I like jokes about all races. Especially honky/cracker white jokes. It's a darn shame that people choose to be offended at racial jokes - something that in my opinion so trivial and a non-factor for any real person to care about. Bottom line is that it is a joke. The fact is- there will ALWAYS be racists. They are called assholes. It just concerns me that race is regarded as such a sensitive subject when in reality it shouldn’t be. We should all be proud of what we all are and to me when we can get to a place where we can treat it lightly then that means we have really moved on. Isn’t that the real goal, to be able to laugh at each other and move on with our lives? Instead we have lame groups trying to tell me that I should care about race, now it is sexual orientation, and after that it will be something else. The truth is – we shouldn’t care or be offended because then we will have lost the higher ground and have become part of the problem. -
Ok, thanks for the warning :) I'll tell it to my sister, she'll get a kick out of it.
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"Well, it's been wrong before, therefore I won't give it any credence now!" Real scientific, chuckleheads.
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I see your point- WE THE PEOPLE! That is indeed the key. We have to stop the partisan politics and start uniting on constitutional principles. It will be nice to see the turnaround and even better it will be nice to see credit given to the people that make it happen. I agree man.
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Oh wait, that's Patton Oswalt. Hey, even better!
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Actually what we mean is something more like this, "Well, it's been wrong before, therefore I won't worship at the alter of the current theories." A little different than how you inturpreted, and as a result far more reasonable I think.
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Have you actually seen any lately? Not exactly confidence-inspiring.
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Have you actually seen any lately? Not exactly confidence-inspiring.
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Nice straw man, but I don't think the only choices are disbelieve entirely or "worship at the altar". And there have been examples of science being "wrong" in the past used to support the rejection of certain ideas.
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Wooa Wooa. Slow down there. Who said anything about cutting out partisan politics? That's the kind of bullshit platitude that Obama started peddling back during the 2004 DNC. But that doesn't mean I want to go around killing liberals. It really just won't have anything to do with politics, more more to do with the unstoppable force of americans picking themselves up and dusting themselves off and getting back on track. But no, I have no wish to see liberals and conservatives coming together and hugging each other, I either wish for things to stay the way they are or for liberals to give up on their bullshit and come over to our side- then we can hug them all they want.:)
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Dude shut up. I have been inspired by americans lately indeed. Where the hell do you live?
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The AIG bonuses THEMSELVES weren't in the Stimulus bill, but the loopholes which PROTECTED those bonuses — in the form of provisions exempting employees who signed bonus contracts before Feb. from new compensation limits on executives — WERE put in the Stimulus Package by Democratic Senator Chris Dodd, AT THE BEHEST of the Obama Administration and which Obama himself happily signed off on.And now, after getting caught, these arch-hypocrites and LIARS are feigning "outrage" over AIG "stealing" the taxpayers money??? And Obama has the GALL to do it on national TV??? Watching Barack Obama spew his crap tonight was a bigger joke than anything Leno had to say. >:(
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Yeah exactly right, the only choices aren't disbelieve entirely or worship at the alter, that is precisely what I have been trying to say here. That is also what other people have been trying to say. What we are hearing from your side has been a lot of worshipping at the alter of current theories. We choose to respect the science as it is now, but not take it as the end all be all. Did you understand that now? Or shall I explain it again in different words?
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about reading a talkback like this? Its how simplistic and purely black/white Americans see everything, always in really simplistic ways. If you are left wing liberal (even if you really only lean that way) you re a communist. If you re right wing conservative, you re a nazi/facist. Theres nothing inbetween. And you are always more interested in a persons standing (left wing/right wing) more than what is actually being said. If youre right wing, then everything a left wing poloitician says is automatically wrong, and vise versa. No wonder your foreign policy is always such a fucking joke. You lack the ability to see other parts of the world for thier complexity, I guess thats why you always offer simplistic solutions to complex problems. Bush was the ultimate example of this (you mean there is more than one kind of iraqian people?, and you say they don t like each other? Because of something called history!!?? Well There are either good iraqians or bad iraqians....
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GARTH FUCKING BROOKS.Now fuck off and die.The above is used w/o permission from a previous DGDB talkback post.
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and that's way fucking worse than a mediocre Indiana Jones movie
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because the man actually wants to understand the rest of the world, and engage us in an informed and equal manner. And really, as for those complaining about how Obama will ruin America..give me a fucking break. You guys have been living large borrowing credit, buying our goods cheaply by forcing unfair trading practices...well the list just goes on does nt it. Obama wants to change many of your fuck ups, but waah! we cant keep our old lifestyle (and who gives a fuck if the rest of the world must pay for it? Right?)And the biggest joke of all is that by rctifying your foriegn policy, making the world actually have positive feelings towards America, and do this in part by changing your weaknesses like your dependence on foreign oil etc..he will ultimatly probably save America in the long run.
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Friend, please don't rush to such a conclusion for an American population of ~300 million people based upon some heated online discussion on a movie news website.Are you the guy who's on Carson Daly right now?
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Here is his original comment: http://tinyurl.com/cz6xcaMcCain also frequently uses the phrase "lipstick on a pig": http://tinyurl.com/cz6xcahttp://tinyurl.com/d9kd6t
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Love when people dig my jokes. As always, good job Samus Aran and TheGhostWhoLurks. Keep giving the bozos hell!
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So now all other countries should be treated as equals in relation to United States? Does that include the Pitcairn Islands? Obama is spending faster than we have ever witnessed, and is not even our money, it's our children's money. This package was presented and voted on with lightning speed, and it looks to be full of a bunch of left wing agendas, not stimulus. But as long as Obama seeks the approval of Monaco before he performs any military action, you'll be happy.
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The loophole was put in at the behest of the Treasury (which is infested with CEO & Bonus friendly yes men) and Geithner approved it. That's why it is Geithner facing the heat.
--"And now, after getting caught, these arch-hypocrites and LIARS are feigning "outrage" over AIG "stealing" the taxpayers money???"--ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY CORRECT!
And it was PROVED when the House of Representatives passed the emergency measure to impose 90% tax on the cash handouts, which total around $165m (£114m). It passed by 328 votes to 93. Those 93 were CERTAINLY not defending AIG earlier and most were joining in the attacks but didn't have the balls to vote for something that would get most of the money back. Hypocrisy incarnate. The breakdown of the Hypocrites ? 87 Republicans and 6 Democrats, voted against.
These "Geniuses" are now aligned to perhaps the most reviled group of people in America today. The many interviews they will now have trying to explain why they think the scum at AIG deserve those Bonuses after wrecking their Company and the Economy should prove most amusing. Kudos guys! -
Honestly, I am so far left I make Obama look like Cheney, but I must admit that if W. had said the same thing I'd be all over him for it. And while I agree that Obama didn't mean in it a mean-spirited way, it is still a mean comment and unbecoming of the President of the United States who needs to be very sensitive of all U.S. citizens and that includes the disabled Americans as well. Besides, remember his comment about his grandmother being a "typical white woman of her generation?" For a guy as a smart as Barack, his mouth seems to occasionally get in the way of his good intentions and he really should know better. I'm so mad at him for giving the right wingnuts, who were already criticizing his appearance on Leno during an economic crisis, more ammo. C'mon, Barack, do better like we know you can.
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So you won't mind if WE Americans cut off all the BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars in aid WE Americans send to all these foreign countries? You won't mind right? YOU'RE A FUCKING LITTLE UNGRATEFUL PRICK! America is the most benevolent nation on the planet! We give more than most countries combined. We help EVERYONE!! So go fuck yourself with your negative feelings toward America. If you are indeed in South Africa, where the fuck would apartheid be without America? Oh that's right, you'd still fuckin' have it! Go jump off a cliff you moron.
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Yeah I never really bought into that whole lipstick on a pig being an intentional slight agains Palin. It was just a bit of a coincidence, and like him or not, Obama does portray a certain class and would probably not have said that with that meaning.
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I didn't know there were only 87 Republicans in the House! Thanks for that bit of info. I had no idea ALL Republicans voted against this. And of course the only reason they voted that way is because they love greedy corporations. It can't be because they believe there's a better way to get that money back than to impose some ridiculous tax that sets a VERY BAD AND DANGEROUS precedent. And what about those 6 Democrats? They may as well call themselves Republican since they are also obviously in the pocket of corporate America. You know that after Chris Dodd, Obama got the most campaign donations from AIG? Is he gonna give that money back to the American people? What about the money he took from Fannie Mae? Freddie Mac? I know you won't answer these questions cause you're a partisan hack who ignores anything bad done by your party. Fuck off.
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Obama knew exactly what he was doing, or he is way dumber than even I thought possible.
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Possibly, but I think it was just an innocent gaff. After all he did say yesterday: "First of all, I'd just like to thank... er umm President Barack Obama!"
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Do you really think that Chris Dodd would put those protections in, it simply because the Treasury Secretary asked him to, WITHOUT Obama's approval??? And in the end, who's the one who's responsible for pushing for, promoting, reading, approving and signing into law every aspect of that Stimulus Bill, INCLUDING protecting the bonus packages of the guys the taxpayers are bailing out? No one other than Barack Hussein Obama. He can't take all the applause, and then, when people don't like what he's done, blame someone else for his actions.The Buck DOES stop with him. He's just not man enough to own up to it.
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These guys are uncomfortable with the symbolism it implies.
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Where did I say EVERY Republican Voted against it ? And where did I say it was ONLY Dems who voted for it. No dice I'm afraid. I gave the Total votes for and included the breakdown of the toal votes against which INCLUDED the Dems who voted against.
If I was making a purely partisan point I wouldn't have and I would have just quoted the Dems who voted for and the Reps who voted against. But like I said nice try even though you fucked it up.
The Tax is for the Bailout recipients and like the Bailout itself it falls under the area of extraordinary circumstance. Unless of course you think the greedy idiots at AIG who took the Bonuses will now give it back voluntarilty ? IF not how else will the Taxpayer get it back ?
It's a flawed and imperfect solution but it's DOING something which is more than merely mouthing off which the Hypocrites have been doing.
And you should be aware there are moves afoot to give AIG donation money BACK. We'll see if it's just more talk soon enough.
Of course if you were actually paying attention I emphasized that the HEAT is on Geithner. I'm absolving him of nothing which is hardly the behaviour of a pure partisan. He has a limited time to turn this around and satisfy the American people that no more Bailout money won't go to straight into the pockets of the geedy and inept. If he doesn't, the Public and private prssure on him will keep building till he's gone.
Though why the reluctance just to say these fucktards at AIG don't deserve a thing ? It would certainly give your argument more weight and make it sound less like the weasel excuses of someone who can't bring themselves to criticize a Bonus no matter how grossy in error it clearly is.
So please, why dont YOU go Fuck yourself. If you aren't to busy fucking the corpse of "Uncle Slobbo" that is. -
TheGhostWhoLurks said he was black, therefore Liberals cannot criticize anything he does, or else we'll call them racist. You know, like the way they do with us!
I think it's awesome that Obama, with each passing day, shows he's just as misguided and stupid as Bush. Also as good at lying and feigning indignation for something he himself caused! -
Where o where did I say AIG deserved ANY money? Show me. I oppose all these bailouts. I'm a Libertarian for fuck sake. And I like how you absolve Obama of all blame and use Geithner as a scapegoat. Like he does anything without Obama's approval.
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No you are dead wrong, the fact that TheGhostWhoLurks is black makes him their biggest target. If this forum is anything like Washington, he will be the object of their greatest ridecule. My heart goes out to black conservatives, truly it does. These are people who dare to think on their own and are shunned for it, at least from my distant observation. Actually that is unfair, I think the liberals in this forum are more reasonable than the ones in washington and the media.
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He is front and centre of the crisis. If Obama lost him it would be a hammer blow. But you'd rather rant against Obama than realise that. Because Obama ain't going nowhere.
It's no wonder the Reps and Obamas opponents are voices in the wilderness if they keep wasting their time like this. No fucking clue about strategic Political thinking at all. -
Several things:
1) re Obama's middle name: Have you even read this talkback? Why are you having such a hard time understanding the debate?
2) Your religion: You do realize that your new buddy, friend of genocide RowdyBalls, considers you to be a "fake Christian" by the standards he has set for religion, right?
3) Your take on science: If I understood you correctly, you have seen so many "beautiful" things in nature that you have a hard time believing scientific reports of pollution and/or climate change? Do you even realize how stupid that sounds? Guess what -- radioactive contamination is invisible and does not resemble a poisonous green cloud like in comic books or Jack Chick tracts.
Frankly, I am astounded by your naïvité, considering that you seem to possess at least a modicum of intelligence. -
We're not all like that. I'm very much a moderate and battle extremism on both sides like all sensible people. It's right-wing tools like RowdyBrane and left-wing morons like HoboCode that give American politics a bad name.
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Wow, what a surprise. It would appear that in your fanatical quest to purge all nuance and complexity from the world, you have not only unilaterally banned moderates from politics but from religion as well.
Are you really so insecure in your world view that you must portray everyone else as extreme as yourself in order to justify your evil?
Bottom line remains:
1) You think Slobbo got "a bad rap".
2) The SS-like massacre of 8,000 unarmed civilians in Srebrenica in 1995 was merely "breaking a few eggs to make an omelette."
3) You claim "there is no such thing as a right-wing dictatorship".
You fail on all levels. Only naïve fools like Samus and amoral swine like Coughlin's Law would lend any credence to your opinions. Everyone else (EVERY. FUCKING. ONE) thinks you are a morally bankrupt, bottom-feeding, subhumanoid homunculus. -
I hope you were joking.
I've battled BSB on numerous occasions, not least of all about Israel, but I wouldn't team up with BraneBalls if my life depended upon it. He's on the same level as that hideous, self-admitted Nazi, Silverfinger. Absolute scum of the Earth. -
far to general. And for that I apologize. I greatly appreciate that many Americans are moderate, and maybe most Americans actually do straddle a middle ground. However it is just unfortunate that so many Americans have such simplistic views and use that simple way of looking at everything and then apply it to other parts of the world, in particular your politicians.
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exactly what I was saying. Please dont lecture me on Apartheid history, i majored in Sociology and I know the history of it inside out. Try reading a book (thats the thing with a hardcover that has many pieces of paper inbetween) on the subject. America played a part by putting economic santions on the Apartheid government, but it was hardly the sole reason why Apartheid ended. You wont appreciate nor understand how complex a series of events and circumstances occured to bring about the end of Apartheid. But off the top of my head lets say, the black conscious movement which led to the Soweto uprising in 1976, or how about the numerous wars SA was fighting, and how the massive military spending at that time bankrupt the Apartheid governmnet, and..well the list just goes on. So please dont take credit for single handedly doing something, ok? And before anymore of you have a fit and attack me as being anti American etc..I have always felt positive about the idea of America and what it stands for. Im just sick of seeing it behaving like an over-indulged, spoiled brat when you guys dont get your way. And this comment is aimed at your previous government and those in your population of like mind. Start leading the world, as in by example, instead of pulling us along wether we like it or not/shoving things down our throat. You get respect by giving it and by commanding it, not by demanding it.
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Morrocco before military action, are you fucking stupid? Or can you actually read English?? Where did I say America should do such an unrealistic thing? My point (if you have any ability to read context)was that America should use its military force more carefully, and with more consideration to how it can affect or piss off other countries...you know, so as not to have everyone hate you...
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It doesn't surprise me you're a JTF fan, and I knew you would out yourself by the mere mention of them. You have all the obvious buttons to push. Why don't you get on a one-way El Al flight and leave this country you hate so much? Surely you can put your loyalties to good use where orange trees grow on every corner.
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Samus might find that offensive. Watch yourself, you insensitive cad.
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But anyone here who has a job (that excludes Brane) knows that the retention bonus is a great motivator for getting shit done, and done well. I'm not talking about performance bonuses though. Considering the mess the financial industry was in, the last thing you would want is to bleed competent people who could correct the ship. Could they have had the foresight to cap bonuses? Sure, absolutely. Especially with AIG, the largest bailout beneficiary by far. But it's not like the Reps would've been satisfied anyway - for years they fought against compensation caps and now ... now ... they are outraged by them. Ah the hypocrisy continues.
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I do not always agree with BSB's views on Israel - I am very pro Israel, and all the haters can suck it. But no way in a mahen hell would I support Brane Robo or anyone who did. I must have been sleepy last night not to jump all over his jackass comment about himself.
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Would you really like to be a Jew in Iran? Or a Bahai, for that matter? Do they have the same freedom of speech you have here in the US?
And the fact that Israel can publicly admit to having social problems like the ones the article cited in a sign of democracy, something other governments in the region have precious little of. -
Its a good thing most of you are limited to comic books. After you grow up you will learn all about the damage the Republicans and Mr. Bush have caused this country. We have a real President for a change.
There is a lot of damage to repair.
President Obama going on Jey Leno if fine by me. Mr. Bush and his team Running several news papers and Fox News for the entire past 8 years is something to be upset about. Oh, you didn't know the white house under Bush/Rove dictated what Fox news reported?
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Bush claimed to love Jesus, and he considered him to be his favorite "philosopher". Of course, Bush said that because he had no clue about the works of famous philosophers like Aristotle, Leibniz, and Bradley. Christians believe that Jesus was the Son of God, but apparently George W. Bush believes that He was merely a religious philosopher. President Obama is putting in place programs that will help Americans, which is a truly Christian thing to do. George W. Bush just cut taxes and he let financial institutions do whatever the hell they wanted. Look how that worked out. George W. Bush could intervened in 2007 to prevent a Recession, but he kept saying that the economy was strong, even while it was beginning to colapse. Bush was a prefect Rightwing Republican...
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aren't you AnimalBalls?
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You've clearly read the TB, so get lost with that middle name shit- you know damned well why Cough linctus keeps doing it, and why I'll keep challenging him for it.
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...Jay seemed to stumble around a bit in his questions. Very relaxed and you had to love Kevin's suit! Flossed out pimp!
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"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right."H.L.Mencken. trying to defend either party is akin to defending the devil...and it pains me to see people who call themselves "Liberal" defending oppressive and misguided policies of this bought and sold buffoon just as blindly and rabidly as the fake "conservatives" did their own anointed Moron. They are all bad people and you need to get off your flimsy soapboxes and pick up your pitchforks..when...will...you...learn...The only purpose of a government of this size and scope is to oppress, steal, and keep itself ever powerful.
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so I imagine many of his personal problems could be tied to a severe case of self-loathing.
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George Bush. Obama worships HIMSELF.
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Obama reveals himself to be a bigger fool than many of us believed. Seriously, McCain could have cured SickleCell and written personal checks for $10,000 bucks to every black family in American and he would STILL have been painted as a racist for having the nerve to run against the "pretty black guy who reads other peoples words well...."
The people on the Left who fancy themselves the smartest people in the room couldn't be wronger (last wurrrd mispeltted on porpoise).
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LOL, Well worded. Touche on the 'You've seen too many "beautiful things"' insult. I'm still kind of snickering at that one. Well in this case I am sort of playing devils advocate a bit, and somewhat exagerating my view. The point was, I have no problem with people who are extremely informed about the situation through their own direct study- for these people to carry heavy opinions on these matters. But for the rest of us who make the vast majority of opiners, I wish we wouldn't place as much stock on what we have heard and statistics that we have read as we do- a little faith in those sure, but keep your energy level within check.
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If it makes you feel better, I will totally acknowledge that conservatives using Baracks middle name is never as innocent as they might pretend it to be. Indeed they want to create that comparison, no doubt. But furthermore, I see nothing wrong with that either. Although by now it must be almost completely innefectual since I assume that every thinking american is well aware of his middle name. But from time to time, it probably deserves a friendly reminder :)
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I can't stand it- that tactic is just so craven and low that it makes me want to slap the person that does it. Especially when it's that recognised cretin, Coughlins, that doesn't know what a casualty is.
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Well I agree, it sounds really disingenuous whenever I hear people say, "It IS his middle name, we called Bill Clinton, William Jefferson Clinton". No I agree with you, that lie is full of shit. I say they can use the name as much as they like, just don't be full of shit when explaining why.
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And what do you mean when you say "he doesnt know what a casualty is", are you a soldier?
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So, have ANY of you ever taken a fucking science class post high-school? Or do you simply let your preferred talking head tell you what science is and of course, said talking head is a scientist and not some non-stop talking radio/tv jackass right?You know, we are simply undeserving of our intelligence. I've been thinking this for a long time now and even that simply being intelligent doesn't really give us anything profound beyond the ability to completely fucking deny anything related to actual reality. It actually works against the progression of the human race!!! Can you show me examples to indicate otherwise? Waiting...Let me give you one thing about science none of you seem to be aware of: It has a built-in acknowledgment of human bias and subjectivity thus it is designed to remove as much as possible the idea of "human error" as possible (bet most of you don't even know 'human error' actually means, at least from some of the posts in this TB anyway). You don't know what 'precision' or 'accuracy' mean in terms of science. You bely your ignorance by saying idiot statements like "First science said this was great and now science says it sucks!". I'm sure you can never possibly think of a reason why this might occur right? Why a change might occur over time either with the system being studied or our understanding of it? Well, of course not, you've only taken high-school science class where you looked at the inside of a frog.I clearly remember you people and your insistence on ignoring math (read: basic foundational tool of science) as "When are we ever gonna use this shit man!!?!?!" well guess what, NOW is when you need to use it and if you can't, stop talking like you can.Science doesn't cater to us in any way. It doesn't cater to YOU or ME. A "scientist" saying global warming is a fact and is factually caused by humans is lying at worst or exaggerating at best and is just a pretend scientist. A real scientist has a hypothesis and then does empirical research to determine the validity of said hypothesis. There is no room for opinion or conjecture. If it does not transcend theory then it fucking STAYS theory! Like evolution! Do you know why it's likely to always be a theory? I bet you don't!The prevailing "climate change" *theory* by numerous scientific studies shows significant evidence of human-caused ecological disruption but that's too nuance eh? It's either bad guy Scientists with crazy hair or bad guy religious luddites right?Sorry to rant guys but I'll admit to being quite ignorant on a variety of issue relating to history and world politics. The fact that most of you speak of science as if the misuse of it invalidates it are just being willfully ignorant.Wasn't too long ago a bunch of human scum misused our military but guess who gets blamed? Either anti-war people or the military itself! Genius I say! Genius! We're all being played but what bugs me is some of you seem to revel in it...
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Explain it different words, those were sorely lacking in content and meaning.
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You're right re: the AIG bonuses ... For some reason I read it the first time that the actual bailout contained that provision. It was late.
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I really don't give a fuck. This is a bunch of populist BS, IMHO. We have bigger fish to fry, frankly. Not to mention the ridiculousness of targeted 90% tax rates. That's gotta be illegal; ironically more illegal than anything those AIG douchebags were up to.
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I'm too lazy to try to reword it for you.
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And if you don't know the origin of the term look it up.
Your over the top, satanic representaion of Israel is trumped only by your sheepish admiration and acquiescence for Ahmadinajhad and the Mullahs of Iran.
Those Jews living in Iran as a "protected Minority" as yo mentioned live under the status of dhimmi...restrictions for all those who will not profess that there is one god and that Mohammed is his messenger. It is imposed on ALL religious minorities. Jewish leaders fear government reprisals if they draw attention to official mistreatment of their community. Shocked?
Explain why you support this.
This is also the government who hanged a 16 yr old girl for having sex...
"Kicking and screaming, Atefeh was left dangling for 45 minutes from the arm of the crane as the crowd sobbed and - under their breath - damned the mullahs"
Israel is not perfect by far... and I'm sure you could post a story everyday for the next year about the horrors of the conflict....but your moral compass is fucked if you equate the two.
Israel is a nerve-racked and high-tech little state that absorbs a lot of violence and cruelty and has also shown itself very capable of inflicting the same. No doubt.
But today's Iranian "Islamic republic" is a nightmare for its own citizens as well as a pestilential nuisance and menace to its neighbors. Antisemitism leads to inevitable barbarism and collapse of the states and movements that promulgate it. They are doomed to suicide as well as homicide...see Catholic Spain as well as Nazi Germany.
Oh, but I forgot...bespectacled little Sarah Palin is the whore of Satan destined to birth the anti-christ and rule at his side in the White House. Get some perspective.
Oh and did you know...Iran doesn't have any of those silly "gays" to deal with. File that in the same drawer with your "protected minority" bullshit you tool.
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I was thinking the same thing...
I heard Obama's comment and knew damn well he meant no harm. But a second afterward I too thought how this TB would have lit up if Bush had done the same. He would have been lampooned on SNL and opeds would have appeared in tomorrows papers. He would have been shelled.
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Mar 20, 2009 11:43:34 AM CDT
Conspiracy, do you want anarchy instead of a government?
by leafar the lost
Conspiracy wrote, "The only purpose of a government of this size and scope is to oppress, steal, and keep itself ever powerful." Obviously, he is dead wrong. George W. Bush should have proved to anyone with an IQ above 70 the damage that a "limited" government can do. He left the financial institutions alone, and in turn they brought America (and the world) to the brink of a Financial Armageddon. People like Conspiracy love to say that the government (usually the Federal part) is the source of their problems, and if they stayed out of their lives they would be rich, happy, or both. However, when an emergency happens (either natural or terrorist) they are the first ones crying for help. When anti-government people lose their jobs, the vast majority of them still take their unemployment checks from the government. The vast majority of them still use the services of the US Post Office. They still use public libraries and they drive on public highways. If you really believe that the government is the problem and not the solution, then please go to live in some isolated corner of Montana, and stop annoying the rest of us with your stupid bullshit.
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If anyone around here knows where to get some Tang, it'd be him...
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Can you be anymore of a left wing propaganda mouth piece than you already are?
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Love how you destroyed BSB. Notice how he never addressed the fact that he thinks Persians are Arabs? This guy, who professes to know so much about the Middle East, is clueless. His opinions are meaningless cause he is obviously talking out of his ass. If he can't get such a basic fact about Persians correct, how the fuck can he be trusted about anything else?
DocPazuzu - I'd love to get into a discussion with you about the bankruptcy of so-called religious moderation. From your comments, as usual, you're more inclined to live in your ignorant little bubble where you think you know everything. Tell me asshole, why do you think it is okay for so called religious people to pick and choose what they want and do not want to follow in the Bible? Is it the word of God or ain't it? Just cause your fake wife is a sham and a fake Christian, don't get mad at me. Try to educate yourself about the world and religion, instead of pontificating like the crazy person holding a sandwich board. And yes, you are fine with mass murder as long as it is Christians being killed, which is why you supported our war in Kosovo, where we bombed innocent Christian men, women and children. We protected the Muslims and they repay us with 9/11. Wesley Clark and Bill Clinton are guilty of war crimes for attacking an ALLY of the U.S. in a conflict that was none of our business. But in your myopic black and white world view you are incapable of seeing things from others' perspective. Truly the sign of a close minded ignoramus. So go back to your blow up doll fake Christian wife. Shit, you are such a joke! -
Mar 20, 2009 12:26:56 PM CDT
Come on guys don't tell me you've never made a retard joke..
by darth_inedible
Seriously watch the libs in your life as they mumble their way through some variation of this and then imagine what they'd be saying if it was George HitlerChimp Bush. The bolder among them may actually attack the mentally challenged for tricking Obama into making this joke through their clumsy mentally challenged ways.
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I love when idiots like Leafar bring this kind of shit up. So us limited government types, who are FORCED to give up a portion of our paycheck to unemployment insurance, are hypocrites if we actually try to get that money that WE PAID IN back? Get a fucking clue! If I am forced to give money to the government you can be damn sure I'll take advantage of whatever I can to get MY MONEY BACK if I happen to lose my job.
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Hmmm, so when Bush was president, whatever his cabinet did, he was responsible for as they were his people and he should know what's up. But when Obama is president he has nothing whatsoever to do with what his cabinet does, is this right? So to recap, Democrat presidents are blameless, Republican presidents take all the blame. Gotcha sparky!! The funniest part is that your comments imply that Obama is a moron who has no clue what people in his own administration are doing. Fuckin' love it.
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...and RowdyAnimalBalls has failed the test put forth to him.
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...just fuck off you blithering idiot.
I can't even begin to address your astonishing ignorance.
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...how he's forced to root from the sidelines because no sensible Conservative would touch him with a ten foot pole.
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Mar 20, 2009 12:49:57 PM CDT
DoctorWho, if I am Left Wing then 70% of America is too.
by leafar the lost
DoctorWho, you are full of bullshit. My political views are shared by (about) 70% of Americans. I am pro-death penalty, pro-choice, pro Civil Unions for gays, pro embryonic stem cell research, etc. I am what most folks call moderate, but the Rightwingers consider anyone who support Obama a Liberal. They really don't get it, because the Rightwingers believe their minority is right. At this point we have to break down the Rightwingers into two camps. One camp actually believes that the majority of Americans share their beliefs. They ignore polls that clearly prove them wrong as lies from the Liberal Media. In fact, they blame the recent defeats of the GOP in 2006 and 2008 on the evil media. These Rightwingers really believe that they are on the good side, so they feel justified in trying to pass laws that ban all abortions for any reason, and having Creationism taught in the Science classes of public school. Then there is the other camp, which I like to call the Cheney or Karl Camp. This group accepts the fact that only about 30% of Americans share their beliefs, but they have no problems imposing their beliefs of the other 70%. They believe that we are all wrong, and need to be led around like sheep to protect us from our beliefs. The more religious ones of this camp believe that God has chosen a select few to led the others, and they are the lucky ones. I will note that the Rightwingers of the Cheney/Karl Camp could care less if America colapsed and descended into anarchy due to a financial crisis.
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...may be an all new low. Even for him. Such a fucking disgraceful human being.
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I can't be arsed to look it up, but basically Coughdrop thought that Casualty= Fatality. No, I'm not a soldier- I can't fight sleep and I've a Yellow streak the size of that river in china.
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that fake wife shit. I also can't believe he's got the balls to call someone else out for a black and white worldview- the cunt only sees in monochrome.
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Mar 20, 2009 1:02:59 PM CDT
For the first time I am actually questioning Obamas intelligence
by samus aran
Gordon Brown came to visit and he gifted Obama with an amazingly classy and meaningful gift: A pen holder carved from the timbers of the HMS Gannet; an anti-slave ship as I understand it. Truly remarkable. Barack's gift was 25 dvds. Unbelievable. When I first heard about this, I thought that these dvds must be something other than just stupid movies that you could get at bestbuy. No indeed, I just learned that one of them was Psycho. Indeed this was just a big hunk of movies bought at Bestbuy. LOL. I am still laughing at this shit. I'd be embarassed to give this "gift" to my parents at Christmas. How horribly embarrasing for United States. And then what is even the creme de la creme. Obama didnt even bother to make sure that they were the correct region so that they could play on Brittish DVD players. OMG. They are region 1!!! This is the guy you all have so much faith in? Gordon Brown gives him a pen holder carved from the timbers of the HMS Gannet, and Obama gives him a bunch of region 1 dvds from bestbuy. LOL. It would be hard to write this kind of shit. This is comedy gold. Actually it wouldn't even be funny in a comedy movie because it would seem so rediculous and made up, but in real life it is funny as all hell. And when I am done laughing about that, I can get back to Obama saying, "First of all, I'd just like to thank... uhh.. President Barack Obama!"
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Oh, that's funny. I thought that you meant that he doesn't know what it means to deal with casualties. ok I understand. Well a casualty can describe a fatality, that is not such a longshot if he thought that. No big deal if he didnt realize it also can describe injured soldiers.
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Well, you may have *some* intelligence, but I see you have no class. When you get older maybe you'll see the light, maybe not. I will continue to enjoy your posts though as you piss off both sides.
Mr. Nice Gaius - unlike you and your butt buddy DocP, I have neither the interest nor the inclination (i.e. I'm not a stalker like you guys are) to spend any amount of time looking anything up that you wrote. If i want to go to sleep I'll just get into bed.
And I know, my comments were so despicable! Which part? The part where I railed against killing innocent Christians? That part? Or the part where I completely destroyed DocP's bullshit about religious moderates. It is obvious neither of you have ever studied religion or really even understand the concept of it. Go get educated then come back, okay little boy? -
If so, can't wait to see the extremist wingnuts like DocP and MNG defend it!
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Why is it my fault that DocP's obviously high school level intelligence leads me to believe he lies about having a wife. I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here. He pseaks at a high school level, so I am assuming he's in high school, if he isn't then he really is as stupid as I thought him to be. But yeah, I keep telling him, even if gays are allowed to marry at some point, you still won't be able to marry a blow up doll, no matter how many times you call that piece of rubber "wife."
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Yeah John Stewart already made fun of it, that is where I first heard it, but I learned more about it today with the region 1 shit. It is so damn funny. If anybody receives a dvd from me as a gift, know that I gave that gift as little thought as I possibly could muster. And it's true. I cannot remember a single Chritmas Eve in the last ten years where I wasn't pacing frantically down the aisles of BestBuy picking up DVD boxes- it is ALWAYS my avenue of last resort. And now Obama is pulling this shit on Gordon Brown. LOL. And region 1. LOL. Where is your liberal messiah now?
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Mar 20, 2009 1:23:24 PM CDT
RowdyRoddyStriper, you operate from the vantage of ignorance.
by mr. nice gaius
And with every subsequent post, you leave us more and more evidence of your utter loathsomeness.That's why I asked you to find examples of my so-called "extremism". And I'm not surprised that you had "neither the interest nor the inclination" to look up any of my previous posts that might support this accusation. You know why? Because I know (FOR A FACT) that you will never find them.See, this is the polar opposite of you. Whenever someone says, "What's so bad about this RowdyRoddyStriper guy?", all we have to do is point out your past exploits with links and direct quotes. It's really quite simple. And I do love watching you squirm, coward.BTW - you know exactly what parts of your post were despicable. DUH! I'll let DocPazuzu address that one because I'd rather watch the pwnage from the front row. I'm sure it's gonna be good!!!
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Weren't the DVDs intended as gifts for Brown's kids?
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Except when it comes to Moriarty, right?You're such a liar.
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Oh my god. The bullshit defending begins on EVEN THIS. This guy truly walks on water for you guys doesn't he. He LITERALLY can do no wrong in your eyes. Blind unconditional love for this person that you know almost nothing about. He could have pulled his pants down and slapped Prime Minister Brown in the face with his dick, and you would have some reasonable explanation for it. It never ends with you people. It's all blind.
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This is for both sides? Those of you who defend the likes of Bush, Cheney, Obama, Clinton, Gore, Reagan, etc...what have these men done for you personally that you defend them and their policy without question? Is even one of them an actual Republican or Democrat in the traditional political and philosophic sense? [read: no, they're not].So do you question them? Presumably you do question them but then why the "us vs. them" mentality from both camps? I rarely see people talk from the values of the respective parties but, instead, I just see the incessant attack on the intent of the opposition party.Here's my unsolicited take...I'll vote for a Republican when he's not crying about the war on Christmas or how gay people getting married means people will be marrying ducks and chunks of wood or how not allowing unregulated companies to think of the American economy as a pinata with no blindfold required. Shit if a single Republican stop saying bad shit about the Democrats and actually outlined their views, I'd at least know if they believe in conservative values and not any of the 'Fundie' values that are threatening Democracy as we used to know it.I'll vote for a Democrat when they actually get serious about fixing real problems faced by a multitude of people instead of propping up a select few at the expense of everyone else. Or if they can see that the house being on fire is more important that the upstairs toilet not working. Or that they can stop talking and fucking do something! Stop being hypocrites and stop just hating on the Republicans.Of course, I'm also with the late Carlin in that "this country was bought and paid for years ago...the shit they shuffle around every four years is meaningless" and that it's all just polishing the drain as we go down.Of course, I don't have kids yet so I can be a selfish prick...what's your excuse?
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You offered in a rather condescending and/or pugnacious tone to reword it, so I took you up on it. Don't tell me you're salty and ethically "flexible" too.
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It was simple question, dude. I didn't even know there was a gift exchange between the two.And if Obama had pulled his pants down and slapped Brown in the face with his dick, I probably would have asked you the same fucking question.
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What did that last paragraph mean? You would ask me if he can do any wrong in my eyes? huh? Yes the answer would be yes, he can do wrong. Weird statement from you if I understood it right.
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I was asking about the DVDs and who they were intended for. The gift exchange does sound odd and must have made for an interesting moment between the two.
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Oh sorry. No from what I understand they were intended for Gordon Brown himself, and the fact that Gordon Brown actually sat down to watch Pscho which was among those 25 (which of course ended up blinking 13:00 on his dvd player- tee hee) then we can see that indeed these were his intended gift to Brown himself. I want to see a list of those other 24 movies. I bet there would be some pretty good chuckles in store for me.
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http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/03/11/the-25-dvds-barackobama-gave-prime-minister-gordon-brown/
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Friend, I wouldn't want to be a Jew living in Israel. I have friends who are former Israelis and they are never going back. Just showing any compassion for the "Pallies" or taking a stand against the hardline Zionists makes you a 'self-loathing Jew, or traitor. Shit, wasn't some professor's house firebombed a few months ago, because he spoke out against racism? That's some democracy! You can keep it.
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I mean, I enjoy reading your posts. I like your insight.
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Mar 20, 2009 2:28:19 PM CDT
OUCH!!! Guess that's the last time they let this moron
by coughlins laws
Obama speack without a teleprompter. Look at all the gaffes he's made and he hasn't even been President two months. He makes fun of the Special Olympics, bumps his head trying to get on the Prez Helicopter, tries to use a door for a window at the White House, accuses Nancy Reagan of holding seances at the White House (that was actually his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton who tried to contact Elanor Roosevelt), thanks himself in a speech when the teleprompter isn't working correctly (compare that to Giuliani and Palin at the RNC when their teleprompters weren't working properly). This guy, who's never had a real job his entire life, is an embarrassment and the media's not going to be able to cover for him forever. He can't speak unless his words are written on a teleprompter and he clearly is in way over his head. Come 2012, I'm sure alot of you will be embarrassed you voted for this poseur...
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seriously, so what if he's the president, why are we pussy footing around the fact that everyone has made a retard joke in thier lives. Its funny, no one died from it and in 50 years no one will even rmember it (in fact in 50 years it will be irrelevent because obama's lift on stem cell research will make retardation a thing of the past...try and argue against that you christain phonies)
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Thanks for that list. Well I didn't snicker at any of those on the list. At lease Barack has good taste in movies enough. But even still, it's a pretty freaking silly gift, especially compared to what Brown was able to come up with. At least he gave him Star Wars :)
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His budget defecits are much larger than he first stated. His budgets are predicted to be over $1 TRILLION A YEAR!!!! That's One Million Million!!! That's over $1,000,000,000,000.00 in defecit every single year!!! That means he's going to spend over ONE TRILLION DOLLARS WE DON'T HAVE EVERY SINGLE YEAR!!!! He's going to add more to our National Debt in one term than Bush did in two!!! Seriously, aren't some of you just a little bit upset at this guys blatant lies he spent $1 BILLION on during the campaign to get elected?
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Mar 20, 2009 2:35:51 PM CDT
Hey Coughlins - At least Obama hasn't choked on a pretzel...
by mr. nice gaius
...or started a needless war...or shot a friend while hunting...etc., etc., etc.And you obviously never watched Obama during the debates or any of his town hall meetings and so forth. All teleprompterless!
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The point with the special olympics thing is that he is supposed to be a very cool character with a lot of style. This sort of gaffe is a small demonstration that he is not as cool and classy as people think. A cool guy would be able to avoid saying such a thing. Nobody is saying he is a disgraceful human being for saying that, at least I'm not saying that. It's just like I said, he just is not that smooth.
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from the AFI Top 100 Films of all time. However, can they even play over there? If they're all coded for the US, how can they play them in Britain? Unless Barack gave him a US EAST DVD Player, too...
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Was more uh.."unfortunate" than funny due to the last 8 years of "W the retarded chimp" who couldn't speak a word without getting monkey-piled by anybody and everybody. People were UP IN ARMS when Tropic Thunder came out because of a fictional "Simple Jack". The PC-ification of the world sucks.The President, though, is supposed to have a higher standard (at least when public facing). It certainly was demanded of Bush.
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And by the way, you must laugh really easily to everything if you thought his joke was fucking hillarious. Honestly, did you laugh out loud at that one? To me it was one of those jokes that I acknowledge in my mind as a joke, but couldnt possibly find particularly clever. It's like one of those bland jokes that people make in pleasant conversation at parties in which other people feel compelled to offer a polite laugh at. And somehow you found that joke HIE LARIOUS. By the way, Jon Stewart is the king of offering those polite laughs to jokes from his guests that are not particularly funny, he actually stands up and acts like he is going to have a coniption over some pretty bland material. I really think Jon Stewart is one of the funniest people around, but it always makes him look like a big phoney when he does that. I know that he has a very good sense of humor, so it is impossible for me to believe that he gets that worked up over such bland humor, and EVERY day. Ughh, gross. I can't stand such phoniness.
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Yeah those movies looked familiar. I thought they might just be ripped from the AFI list. Now it is funny all over again. It wasn't even Obama's favorite movies- just a cold impersonal list of typical acclaimed movies. How dreadful.
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Well, not the way Brane does. I enjoy debating you.
"satanic representaion of Israel" ... Exaggerate much?!?!
"Israel is not perfect by far" ... Well, you're right about that. Same goes for Iran. I think both countries are brainwashed by, and live at the mercy of, their respective hardline leaders. A shame. But you do get my point - they are closer to each other, societally, than the Zionists would like us to believe. Glad you see it too.
"Israel is a nerve-racked and high-tech little state that absorbs a lot of violence and cruelty and has also shown itself very capable of inflicting the same. No doubt." ... I totally agree. I think Israelis are traumatized to the point where their actions have surpassed those of their most hated historical enemy - the Nazis. It's a shame, because I fervently believe that Hamas, Hezbollah and the Zionists are all complicit in instilling fear into Israeli society. Much like the NeoCons tried to do to America. I wish Israelis would wake up and look in the mirror, just listen to their Peace Now contingent for a change.
"But today's Iranian "Islamic republic" is a nightmare for its own citizens as well as a pestilential nuisance and menace to its neighbors. Antisemitism leads to inevitable barbarism and collapse of the states and movements that promulgate it. They are doomed to suicide as well as homicide...see Catholic Spain as well as Nazi Germany." ... I think your post should be directed at the leadership and not Iranian society at large. Iranians are not anti-Semitic, and frankly, Jews don't figure into their world much on a daily basis. They are constantly fighting against the Zionist propaganda machine that demonizes them (unfortunately you are an unwitting cog in that machine). Maybe you ought to stop generalizing Iranians at large and take a page from Obama's playbook. Show them some respect, for the chance they might show it back.
"Oh, but I forgot...bespectacled little Sarah Palin is the whore of Satan destined to birth the anti-christ and rule at his side in the White House. Get some perspective." ... I never said that. Again, stop with the exaggerations. You're making a mockery of yourself.
"Oh and did you know...Iran doesn't have any of those silly "gays" to deal with." ... Hey, see above. Iran is far from perfect. I never said they are, in the grand scheme of things. My point, again, is Israel is not much better, internally, and far worse vis-a-vis the Palestinians and Lebanon. When was the last time Iran attacked a neighboring country, destroyed their cities and infrastructure, and killed thousands of innocents?
Thanks for playing!
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to attacking Bush. It's OK with you that Obama is not really what we've been told he is. He is dishonest, said whatever it took to get elected, keeps getting caught in lies and says ridiculously stupid things along with his VP, and is adding 2 to 3 times as much to the debt as Bush did in one term, and all you can say is "At least he didn't choke on a pretzel." So, I guess you're telling us that in your entire life you've never once choke on anything? That really is the most stupid comment I've ever seen on these boards and I've seen alot. And if you think it's OK to make fun of little kids who would normally be excluded from competition are able to compete because of a great institution like the Special Olympics, well, I don't want to know you. I have a nephew who participates in the Special Olympics and the entire family thinks it's a great thing. I'm glad you think it's OK to make fun of the athletic skills of children with Special Needs. I'd like for you to tell that joke to my sister-in-law. You, sir, are an ass...
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they have more gaffes in just 6 months than I can remember Bush having at this point. Here's a list:
Obama tries to walk through window.
Biden tells guy in wheelchair to stand up. Obama says that over 10,000 people were killed in a tornado that killed less than 100. Biden says you can't walk into a 7/11 without having an Indian accent. Obama makes fun of th athletic ability of Special Needs kids at the Special Olympics. Biden calls Justice Stephens Justice Stewart. Obama tells crowd that Nancy Reagan held seances (it was actually Hillary Clinton and Mary Todd Lincoln, never Reagan). Biden drops F-Bomb when mic is on about another Senator. Obama thanks himself in a speech in which the teleprompter wasn't working properly. Biden forgot his "website number". It goes on and on and on. Without a teleprompter, Obama makes just as many mistakes as Bush. At least Bush has the excuse of being dyslexic. -
I see you still ignore your utter ignorance of the Middle East and its peoples. So, BSB, once more, how are Persians Arab? Explain it to me.
Mr. Nice Gaius, the reason I don't look for your comments made in the past is because I really don't fucking care, I am not like you and your butt buddy writing down everything people say here. You guys take this place so seriously, but I see you all for what you are, jokes. Complete and utter jokes. So why would I waste time looking up the extremist things you have said, which are many, when you will just weasel your way out of what you said anyway? As I said, you're a waste of flesh, and I really wish we had retroactive abortions as you would be a prime candidate to be aborted violently. First we could poke hole in your skull, suck your brains out, then collapse your skull. Afterall, that is the humane way to murder correct? -
Mar 20, 2009 3:09:23 PM CDT
My problem with Jon Stewart is he tries to have things
by coughlins laws
both ways. He's a comedy show, but he also likes to pass himself off as doing real news at certain times. I just hate how he interviews people. He tries to be serious, then if it's going the wrong way, he cracks a joke. He asks serious questions and then attacks the serious answers with off-color jokes. Which is fine, but some people actually state that they get their news from his show. He's able to destroy most people he disagrees with because he makes jokes at their expense whenever they're stating their cases and the audience erupts in laughter drowning them out. If you just want to be entertained and know that you're going to be seeing a hatchet job against mostly Republicans, then fine, watch the show. But I really don't see how you can get anything original from the show. Not to mention that it's awfully suspicious that he's never had a problem with the Democrat Jim Cramer until Cramer came out and attack the Obama Administration's policies...
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500 million Americans are losing their jobs. I truly enjoy the catastrophe flavored crisis this bunch has been serving up for the past few months. It fills my belly.
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Don't forget the time Obama said the U.S. had 57 states! Or the time he said "we must honor our fallen troops, some of whom are sitting in the audience today" at a Memorial Day speech. Or the time Biden called Obama "clean and articulate" implying that black people are usually dirty and can't speak clearly.
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said that 400 people in Louisiana were losing their jobs every day. Or maybe he was talking specifically about New Orleans. I don't know. It's getting hard to keep up with the hyperbolic hysteria we get on a daily basis from this White House...
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one of these bat-shit crazy liberal came at me with some shit they're scouring the dailykos for right now...
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The Civilian Security Force.
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From what circles do your Israeli friends hail from and why don't they want to come back? Many Israelis leave for economic reasons or to advance their careers. Were any of these individuals actually persecuted for non or anti-Zionism or did they just feel more at home in the US? And Zev Sternhell is the exception. Last time I checked people like Uri Avnery, Gideon Levy, Amira Hass and others were still living in Israel safely (safer than those living in Sderot).
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She is such a treat. Thanks California!
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>I think Israelis are traumatized to the point where their actions have surpassed those of their most hated historical enemy - Nazis"
Really? Surpassed the Nazis? Then why has the Palestinian birthrate gone up over the years? The Israeli Auschwitz must be doing a lousy job.
>I wish Israelis would wake up and look in the mirror, just listen to their Peace Now contingent for a change.
They did, from 1992-96 and 1999-2000.
> I think your post should be directed at the leadership and not Iranian society at large. Iranians are not anti-Semitic, and frankly, Jews don't figure into their world much on a daily basis.
Too bad "the leadership" is still there, holding Holocaust denial conferences, training Hezbollah and building nuclear weapons.
> They are constantly fighting against the Zionist propaganda machine that demonizes them (unfortunately you are an unwitting cog in that machine).
Which "they"? I have no problem "demonizing" Holocaust deniers. It would nice if the Iranian people actually elect the putative "moderates" but I guess only Israelis can do that.
> Hey, see above. Iran is far from perfect. I never said they are, in the grand scheme of things. My point, again, is Israel is not much better, internally, and far worse vis-a-vis the Palestinians and Lebanon. When was the last time Iran attacked a neighboring country, destroyed their cities and infrastructure, and killed thousands of innocents?
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http://tinyurl.com/dds92p Iran has also trained and armed Hezbollah.
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..ragging on the sitting Prez for vocal gaffes. So now that you've gone and said "Well...he did it too! He did it too!!!!" what else do you have that you can use to ignore about your hero and demean about your nemesis? (oh please, as if you don't have a personal grudge....same for libs.....everybody is filled with hate and I love every second of it...almost wish I was from hell as it would make me POWERFUL!!!)I read this line once, "Modern Republicans hate liberals more than they love the USA"...I wonder sometimes if both side slip into this high-school bullshit.Or my personal favorite from the people who burn the house down and then complain that the firemen are wasting water putting out the fire....priceless...
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And that is the point. It's an AICN talkback.
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Hypocrisy is...Duh.
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"I think Israelis are traumatized to the point where their actions have surpassed those of their most hated historical enemy - the Nazis."...Exaggerate much?!?!
"I think your post should be directed at the leadership and not Iranian society at large." ...It most definitley is! There is an overwhelmingly young population in Iran which is fed up with medieval rule.
And regarding Palin...it is you who need to stop with the exaggerations. I asked you to produce her "endorsement" of anti- witchcraft Christianity (which is an oxymoron isn't it?)and I've yet to read it. I do not document other posters quotes like some here do...but you have basically characterized her as somewhere between a sociopath and the personification of pure evil. Please don't deny it. Call her stupid, inexperienced, sexy whatever... but don't call ME out on exaggeration... That was sarcasm.
"When was the last time Iran attacked a neighboring country, destroyed their cities and infrastructure, and killed thousands of innocents?"...Is war your only measure of a societies morality? There is more plurality and representation in Israel than in ALL of the Middle East combined. Nuance.
"...unfortunately you are an unwitting cog in that machine." LOL. You make me laugh sometimes. This is where you and I differ: You subscibe to unseen forces pulling strings, shadow governments and secret societies. You see yourself as a leaf blown at the mercy of the wind. I do not.
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Why don't you just man-up and admit that you're really just a lazy piece of shit?Seriously. It would make things so much easier for everyone.You've got no proof because you know I'm right. And it just kills you, doesn't it? Loser.Quote: "You guys take this place so seriously..."You think? I wonder why we might take YOU a little more seriously than others. Have you payed any attention to the vile things you post on these boards? You know, like you advocating abortion en masse (way to go resurrecting that one) or the annihilation of an entire group of people and their religion.For the record, I've never weaseled out of anything with you, fuckhead. In fact, I've pushed your vileness back in your face time after time and I've NEVER been proven wrong by you on anything.
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Then apologizes or corrects them. Fair enough. He doesn't plow through saying "nuke-u-lar" for 8 years. And yes, it's a big deal. If you control the most destructive force on the planet, you should be able to at least say it properly. Now, other than that, Obama hasn't proven anything yet. But he's been in office less than 90 days. Let the man breathe.
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anytime obama isnt prepared or is not reading from a teleprompter he stutters alot...and uses the word "uhhh" a lot...my girlfriend didnt believe me till his first appearance on TV after the election..when he got stuck for a whole second...she laughed, i rewound it and we laughed again......also disturbing is his wife...her first media appearance after the election...she was on TV and didnt even bother to brush her hair...bed head on national TV....and honestly im gettin sick of all the T-shirts and coverage of his children and his wife's non flabby forearms...and the fact that the kids are planting an organic garden....ughhh sick of it...i like obama as a president but think hes doing too much too fast, that the rest of his term will make him look like a lame duck president....my prediction, out in 4 yrs like bush sr.
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... is one of the funnier, more illuminating examples of people grasping at straws. You literally must be detached from reality to think the guy is "stupid" and can't speak without a teleprompter.
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I have to say that he made me chuckle a couple of times. He seems to be able to deliver a line from time to time.
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Let the "nu-cu ler" thing go. Yes we've all heard the joke from 6 different comedians "...the most destructive force on the planet, you should be able to at least say it properly"
I could speak whirlwinds around Bush...it doesn't mean I would make a good president. I certainly would NOT.
There are people who can't speak half as good as Bush who could chart a course to Mars and back with pure mathmatics.
Do you see how one thing doesn't preclude the other?
Obama is smooth,smart and cool...is that going to make him a good president?
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Stewart is a jagoff. He relies too much on "i'm just a lowly comedian". The worst was during the Cramer interview when he actually said this all seriously at one point "this is not a joke", hey shithead newsflash you're on comedy central not CNN. Another part was when he interviewed Goldberg on his book Liberal Fascism, one of the worst interviews i've ever seen. The guy is trying to explain the reason behind his book and Stewart keeps cutting in like fucking Seinfeld "Liberal and Fascism? How do these go together?" about a million times to audience laughter interrupting the guy who's actually trying to explain it. Fuck him, he's a snake, his copout when he gets called on something is "i just do fart noises and funny faces".
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He didn't really single Cramer out. His bit was about CNBC as a whole, then Cramer took the opportunity to go on a few shows talking it up like Stewart was gunning for him. I mean, the guy does some silly shit so of course if you're going to criticize CNBC he'll come in handy. Also Stewart didn't blame the media for the collapse, an accusation I've heard a few times which isn't true. He basically said they were complicit by reporting for the financial entities, not on them, but not that they were somehow behind the whole thing.
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For someone who can allegedly remember every single thing I ever said, I'd like you to point me to the place where I said I want to annihilate an entire group of people and their religion. Please, I've got time since you're the expert at doing searches on this site. I may have said the world would be better without religion, which is a far cry from me saying they should all be killed and wiped out. But I would not expect an extreist nutbag like yourself to understand the difference. And if a Liberal said the world would be better without religion you wouldn't say shit. And yes, abortion is an effective means of controlling the population. You support killing babies, over 60 million so far, but when I say it somehow I am evil and you're noble? Liberals support killing babies, so do I. Lie much?
And I love how you try to discredit any conservative on here who may agree with something I say. Like somehow if they and I hold the same opinion then they must accept ALL my opinions. How about this for ya, Hitler was a vegetarian, obviously vegetarians agree with Hitler on this issue, therefore all vegetarians are Nazis! See how it works you fucking clod? Stop trying to smear Coughlins or anyone else who dares to agree with me on an issue, for it shows how cowardly, weak, and WRONG your entire extremist world view is.
And I see BSB has still not answered why he thinks Persians are Arab. If a conservative said it you'd jump all over what an idiot he is. But when one of your own says it you ignore it. And I also see DocP has not returned to explain how religious moderates are somehow the epitome of what religion is supposed to be. I want him to explain to me how someone can be "religious" yet pick and choose what parts of their Holy Book to follow. Christians, according to the word of God, are supposed to own slaves. This is fact. Yet DocP refuses to acknowledge this. He may be busy with that piece of rubber he calls a wife in his basement. -
Of course he can speak without it...the guys not stupid. But when he's without one he has a tendency to wander off the road a bit and thus it is a guide rail for him. Keeps him away from the "uh's" and "um's"
This is not a critique either...every syllable a president utters is scrutinized...I don't begrudge any of these guys for using it.
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Well said. Stewart is another in a long line of Liberal frauds who lob bombs at everyone else and when someone dares criticize him he says "I'm just a clown!!"
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Yeah, I think that's all true. I'm just saying, calling him an idiot and saying he can't speak without one is another matter entirely; that's what I'm responding to.Then there's people like Glenn Beck today - playing a montage of Obama laughing on Leno, Beck saying he's the most out of touch President ever. There is so much to criticize and think about, but Obama's intelligence and how in touch he is aren't part of it. I guess it's disingenuous of Glen Beck because Obama spent a good deal of time on Leno talking about where the country's at. The notion that Obama is "fiddling while Rome burns" is deranged.
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Yeah I agree. I think he is really funny, but I wish he would use that strength to present a fair image of politics instead of the bent he has. I think it is cheap and weasely when he talks about how he is the fake news, and yet this is where a huge number of voters are getting their news as we all know. Sometimes the same people who lecture us about our ignorance. Stewart is aware of this, and deep down I think he is very comfortable with that power, but feigns innocence as just a comedian. I watch just as much Jon Stewart as all these guys, yet it doesn't come close to being my primary source of news, and yet I am the one who is uninformed.
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Yeah that didnt make a lot of sense.
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Accusing Obama of being out of touch is not outrageous by any means. That is not a stretch to say almost no matter how you look at it. If you disagree fine. But this is a reasonable observation that can be argued.
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You do know that the majority of DVD players sold outside America and Canada are both region-free and PAL/NTSC compatible, right?
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Yeah the reason that he stutters and wanders without the teleprompter is because he is never speaking from the heart. His speeches are heavily influenced by what he thinks people want to hear. So when you hear him stuttering and such, what you are hearing is most likely his brain searching his memory for concepts that he has spent the last year or so memorizing. Very robotic. If he was talking about his true beliefs, I'm sure we would be listening to a different speech pattern. It would be very well articulated probably, but you might not like the content.
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I guess not, boy do I feel bad. If that is true, then why would there be regions at all? I'm going to look into that next time I'm bored.
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It's 2 months and I'm bored of this sick man already.
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Dude, don't embarrass yourself. It is obvious you've never read or studied the Bible. Owning slaves is fine according to the Bible. Prove me wrong idiot.
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The hypocrisy is ripe and stinky. Good point.
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http://www.videosift.com/video/ Sam-Harris-What-happens-if-you- really-follow-the-bible
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If you truly didn't care enough about our earlier posts to look them up, like you claim, then you wouldn't have bothered mentioning them to begin with. The rest of us have always been quite consistent in not only calling you a cunt, but also posting examples from your history which prove that point to everyone's satisfaction. In other words, you've got nothing on us whereas we've got all the incriminating evidence we need from your own stubby, smegma-caked fingers. I'm sure there are loads of things we've posted that make us "extremists" in your eyes, but what's so delicious is that you can't post any of it as evidence because it makes you look like a raving lunatic in everyone else's eyes.
The reason you can never win, BraneBalls, is simply because you are wrong. About everything. Screaming about how we're "extremists" isn't convincing anyone. You also have no evidence which would convince a single person, even if you produced it. All you have is a feeble army of straw men which you keep knocking down, adding to the hilarity already on display as you once again initiate a meltdown.
As in politics, you are claiming that unless one follows a religion's scripture fundamentally, 100%, one is nothing but a sham, a liar, a pretender. Only an evil fanatic like you would find it impossible to use interpretation, allow for human error, or try to adapt to an ever-changing world. I suppose the only way you can even stand to look at yourself in the mirror is if you somehow in your mind transform every other human being on the planet into some sort of extremist so that you can justify your morally corrupt soul. I shudder to think how you would seem in your own eyes if you actually had an epiphany of sorts and realized what most people around the world really are like.
The only differences between you and someone like Bin Laden or Pol Pot is that you are not in any position of power and have not, as far as I can surmise, murdered anyone yet. Beyond that, there is very little difference when it comes to absolutism, disregard for human life and hatred of any type of nuance in life.
Luckily, just about everyone here, across the board, hates you. Oh wait, that's right -- everyone who doesn't agree with you is a Communist, so who cares, right?
Once more, shall we?
1) You think Milosevic "got a bad rap".
2) You consider the wholesale, SS-like murder of eight thousand unarmed civilian men and boys, the largest single massacre in Europe since the Third Reich, to be "breaking a few eggs to make an omelette."
3) You actually think "there is no such thing as a right-wing dictatorship".
4) You also think "there is no such thing as a moderate."
5) You laughably equate Nazis and liberals because of support for vegetarianism and non-smoking which is present in some ranks in both movements.
The fact is that you are the closest thing to a true fascist or Nazi on these boards since Silverfinger. You are a repellent swine and I firmly believe that the world would be a better place if you were suddenly run over by a Mack truck. If nothing else, nobody in the solar system would miss you.
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Is how it's said in certain parts of the country, much like "heart" is pronounced "hat" in the New England area. I haven't bothered with the Leno interview, but did Obama really tell people to go shop and buy shit? I'm really asking here.
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Yeah I'm sure we know what you are talking about, but the bible is not stories of god commanding people to have slaves. I'm not sure why they may have been tolerated but who knows. It's curious, but I don't consider it cherry picking to say that it is wrong to have slaves even though the old testement seems to tolerate slavery.
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At what point are you going to try and educate yourself about religion and politics? Even fundamentalists ignore the parts of Holy Scripture they don't like. Now, the Bible either is the word of God or it ain't, no? I can tell you haven't been around many people in your closeted life. Why read the Bible and pray to Jesus if you're going to ignore half the shit he supposedly said? Because we live in the modern world? All of a sudden God's word is not applicable because we have technology now? There is no equivocation in religion, there is no progress, which is why religion is a poor model for how to live one's life. Now please, just go back to your rubber "wife" and leave the adults in here to talk. It's obvious you're not interested in facts but rather just hearing your own voice. Explain to me how someone can believe the Bible is the word of God yet also choose to ignore half of what that God says? How is that not hypocrisy? Please, tell me.
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Here's a multi-region, PAL/NTSC DVD player for sale in the UK, for example:
http://tinyurl.com/cjuq78
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That's pretty fuckin' impressive if you ask me, as I am quite indifferent to all of you, you know why? Cause none of you matter to me. If people hate some guy on a message board they never met then they are wasting precious energy. The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. But again, you need education to know that.
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You're a good guy, I'm not trying to rag on you or other religious moderates, just pointing out how it doesn't make sense to cherry pick the word of God. He's fine wth people owning slaves, so long as they don't abuse them. Please watch the video I linked to. The guy is pretty brilliant.
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Will never watch that video cause he might learn something, and heaven forbid that extremist fuck learns something about the world.
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There is a person in the "cabinet" whose job it is to pick out those gifts. The President doesn't sit around with a Larry and David's catalog or a SkyMall catalog thinking about what he is going to get the British PM (or whoever else)
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This is the very core of your evil. Since you only deal in absolutes, you feel threatened by people who have the capacity to either adapt or, in the case of scripture, try to remove the human filter (sometimes thousands of years old) and read between the lines in order to absorb a message with modern relevance.
Don't take my word for it, though. Ask any clergyman of any faith who isn't a fundamentalist how they can be such frauds after spending years reading up on scripture according to their calling and committing to whatever cloth they adhere to. I'm sure once you shine the light of truth and reason on them, they will promptly admit what phonies they are and how they don't believe in God and how they've led all their flocks astray with talk of evolution and ecumenicism.
Here's how you view the world's population:
1) You: the only correct person on the planet.
2) The other billions of humans on Earth: extremists and phonies.
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I would class spending time dismantling an evil, beetle-like creature like you to be well-spent. At least a hell of a lot more well-spent than spending time drooling and ranting at people who you "are indifferent to."
The fact is that it DOES bother you that you can't seem to make any headway in here. Every overture you make to other talkbackers blows up in your sebaceous face like a cheap ACME cigar, much to my enjoyment, I might add. If it didn't bother you, you'd just fuck off forever.
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Mar 20, 2009 6:10:16 PM CDT
Obama doesn't understand what it's like working with Iranians
by starblitzer
It's fucking DIS-TRACT-ING!!!
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just to clarify, im not calling obama stupid because he speaks better when well prepared....just leaves all the hype about how great of a natural speaker he is up in the air....and yes hes not a "saviour" ...the obama nutties gotta throw out those t-shirts and realize hes a politician...he will disapoint us at some point...especially if its discovered he knew about the AIG bonuses
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Hmmm, so I post here because it bothers me that you're an idiot who believes in lies and ignorance over education and nuance? No, I post here because I like to speak my mind when i feel like it. Unlike you, I don't come here to make friends. Just cause I like what someone may post and say so, and then they tell me to fuck off, says more about them than me. I'm magnanimous, most of you aren't. And it's obvious you revel in your ignorance of religion and your equivocation. I had no idea the word of God changed with the times!!! You are so enlightened!! Did God come back down and change some shit without any of us knowing? News to me. Like most cretins, you want your cake and you want to eat it too. You want to think you'll go to the afterlife if only you're a good person. No need to follow something pesky like the word of God. I point out the inherent flaw in religion, so of course I am the asshole. And again, you refuse to read posts. Even fundamentalists ignore the shit they don't care about! Fundamentalists are not even fundamentalists if we are to use that term correctly. You wish you could be as smart and knowledgeable as Sam Harris about the world's religions, and how religious like worship leads to Nazis, Communists, and dictators like Kim Jong Il. Atheism does not lead to atrocities, dogma does. You won't even bother to watch the video cause it might break your brain in half. But I know all this shit just flies over your head cause all you can do is erupt into a seething rage whenever you see a post of mine. I know it really galls you that I can actually write a legible sentence and have a thought process. It's easier for you to think I am a completely uneducated, friendless dope cause if the truth were anything else your entire worldview would collapse and you'd go into a fetal position sucking your thumb and asking your rubber "wife" for some compassion. This is fact. Now, run off little one, go back to playing with Barbies.
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Unless we're, say, part of the 8,000 unarmed civilians (some as young as 13) who were rounded up and massacred in Srebrenica in 1995. But then again, one can't reasonably be "magnanimous" towards "eggs" now, can one?
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I see you show the same outrage toward Clinton and Wes Clark for firebombing innocent unarmed men, women and children. Good lord!
And I love how you can take 5 minutes to list all my quotes yet can't take five minutes to watch a quick video of a speech by someone who is by all accounts a Liberal. Wait, a right wing extremist like me agrees with a Liberal about something? "No, impossible. I'm gonna put my fingers in my ears now!!!! I can't hear you!!! LALALALALALALALA" That quote is DocP' response anytime someone shows up that is more educated than himself. -
1) Collateral damage is damage caused inadvertently while targeting military and/or strategic facilities.
2) Herding up and massacring unarmed civilians by the thousands for no other reason than their ethnicity or religion is premeditated murder.
Now, why is it you are pretending to not know the difference? I'll tell you why -- it's because you have NO PROBLEM with ethnic cleansing as a method as long as it happens to the "right" people. Everybody else here has a problem with ethnic cleansing of any sort.
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...is no different than what you're saying, so why should I waste time addressing it since you keep regurgitating the same talking points?
You're both arguing that one can only be a fundie or an atheist and that no middle ground can possibly exist, despite that a good portion, if not most, clergymen and religious people around the world would say you're wrong.
By extention, what you're both saying is that every Muslim who isn't a Taliban or every Christian who isn't a member of one of those fanatical evangelist African movements on the rise is, in fact, an atheist.
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Yeah. Okay dude. I guess you missed the part where he said so called fundamentalists don't even follow everything their God supposedly said. Mr. Harris is a big fan of spirituality, but his point about religious texts cannot be argued. They are not a guide to morality, even though they are presented as such. They are examples of first century thinking. You are an example of someone that is incapable of understanding what religion is, and the nature of religious worship. His point is that it is meaningless to be religious if you just choose to ignore the bad parts of your faith.
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You've got a very simplistic notion of what was happening in that region. Much like the Pallies in Israel, the Muslims were going around, rounding up Christians and murdering them. Then they'd hide in the Muslim communities, who would not dare give them up. I too thought Slobbo was evil incarnate, until I learned the facts, now I just see him as another misguided fool, like Bush. And as I said, he could burn in hell for all I care. I love how you make it out to be that I fawn over some shitbag foreigner like I have posters of him in my apartment. What he did was no excuse for us to kill thousands of Christians in response. Slobbo was our ally, you don't bomb your ally! There were other ways to get him to change his ways.
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Good luck with that.
Your only hope is a bout of hyper-inflation to reduce the real value of debt, followed by another crushing recession to bring inflation back under control. Then the $US will be in the toilet, you won't be able to borrow a dime from overseas, and you'll have to work and save your way out of it.
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...Keep talking. Keep doing my work for me.
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And Barry would agree with me.
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Where the fuck else is a lazy extremist malcontent such as yourself gonna get educated?
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Like all those 8,000 "shitbag foreigners" Milosevic murdered.
Now we're getting closer to the true nature of BraneBalls as we always tend to do just before you implode. Considering what an amoral, monstrous, cold-hearted, prejudiced fuckbag without a trace of empathy you are, it's no wonder you're so loathed by all and sundry.
Ever wonder why it's only in the anonymity of the internet that you are free to spout such garbage? Either that, or maybe you DO spout it in real life. In that case, maybe now you know why you never get past first dates with women. -
Of every scandal on American politicians that has been revealed.. this has got to be the worst.
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Who knew? And who is this Jay Leno character?
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America was founded by a whole lot of "shitbag foreigners".
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DocWho, sometimes you make me laugh too. With your ignorance of your own ignorance. But I enjoy you!!
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Mar 21, 2009 8:09:51 AM CDT
darthmango, he's already done that. President Teleprompter
by coughlins laws
is an admitted former cokehead. He's already admitted to coke parties. This guy is a joke. He can't speak without a teleprompter. He keeps making stupid mistakes. Like dissing the Prime Minister of the UK and giving him a present of 25 DVDs that CAN'T BE PLAYED IN BRITAIN!!! What an absolute joke!!! Seriously, aren't you people starting to become embarrassed that you voted for this guy who never had a real job his entire life and spent the last 10 years running for higher office? You'd think that he'd be just a little smarter than he is and not make fun of the athletic abilities of Special Needs kids, or know their are only 50 states (not 57), or know the difference between 20 people dying and 10,000, or not thank himself when his teleprompter breaks down, or not nominate the gaffetastic Joe Biden who makes Dan Quayle look like Einstein. This is getting freaking ridiculous. This guy is not taking his job seriously, has taken at least 2 vacations in less than 2 months in the middle of what he calls the "worst crisis since the Great Depression", and apparantly deosn't know about regional coding on DVDs. Well, it's just a good thing he's not really running the show. The Teleprompter-Reader-in-Chief is clearly being controlled and has deferred all major legislation to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid...
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"Is war your only measure of a societies morality? There is more plurality and representation in Israel than in ALL of the Middle East combined."
... way to make an excuse for Palestinian democide and the murders of thousands of Lebanese by Israel.
As for "more plurality and representation than in all Middle East", look no further than the country Israel bombed to shreds 2 years ago - Lebanon. Talk about useful idiots. Amateur. -
Mar 21, 2009 8:14:00 AM CDT
JEWS WERE CONSIDERED SHITBAG FOREIGNERS IN NAZI GERMANY
by bringingsexyback
Doesn't justify the holocaust, does it? Can't we all just get along?!?!?!?!?!??!
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Mar 21, 2009 8:14:53 AM CDT
And before you libs go ape-shit, yes, I know the President
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doesn't legislate. He does however produce a budget for Congress at the start of his term and for something like the so-called Stimulus Package (which doesn't have any stimulus until at least 2010 or create any jobs unless you work in construction or want to be a cop for just 2 years) he totally let Nancy Pelosi write the damn thing and let the Democrats, and a lot of Republicans, fill it with pork projects and then stuffed it down our throats without any debate...
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Impeach the bastard!!!!!! This .... this is an outrage!!!!!
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is cock.
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Tell that to the Israelis, who lump all Middle Easterners together as one almighty enemy.
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said he was "shocked" by the bonuses given to AIG. Well, this is either a lie or he doesn't read bills he signs into law. It was clearly laid out in legislation (legisltation that Chris Dodd spent a day saying that he didn't write and then admitted he lied about it because he was asked by the White House to put it in) passed by the Congress and signed by the President. So, either he lied, his people lied to him, Chris Dodd lied, or nobody reads any of these thousand page documents that we were scared and intimidated into having shoved down our throats. So, it may not be a lie, but at the very least it was shocking incompetence...
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For all intents and purposes, he's white (except for the stimulus package in his pants).
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because the TARP bill does't name AIG by name. Retention bonuses are critical to keeping valuable personnel onboard through critical periods. Coughlins doesn't understand that because he raids his staff's tips and has never given a bonus is his life.
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That's what I pay my attorney to do. The buck stops short of Obama. Buff said.
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Mar 21, 2009 8:29:34 AM CDT
The point is, BSB, is that Bush gets hammered constantly
by coughlins laws
by alot of Lefties on this site for being dumb, and in just 2 months in office President Teleprompter has done more stupid things and said more stupid things than Bush has by this time. It's a double standard. You don't hold Obama up to the same standards you held Bush to. You don't care that he's not that smart. He can just speeches they put on the teleprompter for him well. That's it. Take it away from him, he's an idiot. He says they're 57 states. He tries to use windows as doors. He insults the British PM by not giving them customary courtesies extended to Leaders of our Major Allied countries, then he compounds the error by not only giving him the ridiculously tacky gift of DVDs (which he chose from the AFI list) that the guy can't even watch. Then, he makes fun of the athletic abilities of Special Needs kids. Why don't you just admit that these were mistakes that if Bush made you would have savaged him for?
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Mar 21, 2009 8:31:24 AM CDT
Oh, so Obama doesn't have to read anything he signs, BSB?
by coughlins laws
HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!!!! Very interesting defense!!! Are you trying to make a joke? You aren't being serious, are you?
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Blasphemer ...
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this time you were never serious about backing Obama and were jsut being devil's advocate or whater you're trying to do, I'd think it'd be funny. However, your almost religous devotion to Obama over hundreds of posts going back to the fall campaign last year make me think you're fucking with me now. So, if you don't want to be serious, you want to take the Jon Stewart route of having a serious discussion, having your postition challenged or destroyed, and then coming back with a joke to shielf yourelf from further converstation down the raod you don't want to cover. I'll take your last post as a concession that you DO realize that you are a hypocrite for not going after President Teleprompter the same way you go after Bush...
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Mar 21, 2009 8:46:30 AM CDT
Wow, sorry about all those typos. I'm doing three different
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things at once. But, all I want is for some of you to just admit that Obama is not who he said he was. Just admit it and you will earn some respect...
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"There is overwhelming direct evidence which supports the proposition that man-made CO2 emissions are not creating extreme weather conditions all over the world."
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Mar 21, 2009 1:31:25 PM CDT
Teleprompters ? Who repeated a Lie from Drudge about Palin's Tel
by g100
And not just once either. You tried to tell everyone Palin was some kind of master of oratory and repeated the bullshit Drudge was pedalling about Palin's Teleprompter breaking and going down.
It wasn't broken, she didn't have to make the entire speech without it like you and Drudge suggested and it was debunked pretty damn quickly for the spin and bullshit it was.
But BSB is correct. Giving a gift of Region1 DVD's is CLEAR cause for impeachment.
Could I recommend Ted Stevens as the man to "bring it" and start impeachment proceedings ? He was after all the man who taught everyone that the internets are actually a series of tubes and seems like the ideal man to explain the intricacies of multi-region DVD formats to the masses. "DVD's are not like a dumptruck. They are like metallic pancakes with ZIP codes." I don't THINK he's busy, is he ? -
...Rush screams on his show the following day, "The asshole can't even swim!"
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Who did Obama say he was? Superman? Dr. No? Phyllis Diller? Rance Mohammed? Dingus McGillicutty? Buckwheat? Gandalf?I mean, a person has to know about a thing before they can acknowledge (much less "admit") something, yes?
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Apparently, you haven't been reading the talkback very well and are completely ignorant of how DVD players work outside the United States.
I invite you to read my posts describing the fact that most DVD players available in other countries are not only region-free but also PAL/NTSC compatible. You might also want to check out the Amazon link I provided for just such a machine available in Gordon Brown's Britain.
Now that you've once again been caught with your pants down and your dick firmly lodged in a duck's ass, I'll be looking forward to how you now suddenly downplay the importance of the DVDs just like you did with Obama's middle name once you had been exposed regarding that little matter as well.
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A)Offer non-sequiturs and refuse to anwer direct questions put to you.
B)Infer that I hold extremist views with your wild inability to think outside of your own monolithic world view.
C)Give lip service to to the havoc which Hamas and Syria's death squads and religious proxies bear...but righteously triumph Israel as the "monster" of our time.
In regard to A and B above...you and Rowdy have much in common...zero tolerance and inability of nuanced thinking.
Still waiting for the...
1) Palin quote of her "endorsing" anti-witchcraft Christianity theology.
2)The answer to my question "Is war your only measure of a societies morality?" ...which you do not want to answer because you are well aware of the can of worms that opens.
3) Your explaination of why you support Jews living in Iran as a "protected Minority" under the status of dhimmi.
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Bonus points for mentioning Dr. No. RESPECT.
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Coughlin shrieks: "The guy is A PROVEN STREETWALKER!!!! all of you Obama idolators are worshipping A PROSTITUTE!!!!! I'll take any failure to immediately disprove THIS FACT as a concession that you DO realize that President Teleprompter is a HOOKER!!!!"
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with their patients. he shall be missed.
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That was the best post in this entire thread. Cheers.
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"And they aren't even region 1!""Oh, yeah. Grounds for impeachment."Look. It's a tacky gift, if nothing else.But this is a big deal. The leader of one nation gave that leader of another and long time ally a tacky gift. Consider the weight and magnitude of the gift received in return.This happened in close proximity to the time when the bust of Churchill was given back. Another insult.Worst of all is Gordon Brown's eyesight is fading and he doesn't watch anything televised. Insensitive.Kinda like the comment on Leno. Insensitive. It's hardly the end of the world. And it's hardly presidential. Not only the comment, but also the going on Leno.Yes, if it isn't common knowledge that someone on staff is responsible for this embarrassment, then that speaks poorly of the American voter. Just as it speaks poorly of those who cannot see the incompetence of the people this administration has surrounded itself with, both currently as well as those that were denied.
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I love his Monty Python logic.
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is a fucking amateur.
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Obama made some vocal blunders, and you fuckers wanna crucify him. No one said it was easy being the president. Why don't we wait a bit before we come to our final judgments on the man. Oh, and get a sense of humor while your at it.
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You folks going on about his blunders are really fucking idiotic. He tried to use a window as a door? So fucking what? It probably looked like a door and he didnt know, and most likely exaggerated for humor. And making fun of Special Needs kids? Way to put words in someones mouth. He made the joke at HIS expense, not theirs, and it was very clearly not malicious. So it was a little politically incorrect, well he's only fucking human. The DVD gift was a bit tacky, but shit at least their good movies. Move on. I never gave a shit about Bush's follies, he just wasn't a good president.
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I brung you an article from today's Times. Enjoy, you sadistic, immoral Zionazi. Unless reason wins out, Israel's downfall will come from within, as its extremist fundies take over the nation and make it the world's most hated pariah.
March 22, 2009
A Religious War in Israel’s Army
By ETHAN BRONNER
JERUSALEM — The publication late last week of eyewitness accounts by Israeli soldiers alleging acute mistreatment of Palestinian civilians in the recent Gaza fighting highlights a debate here about the rules of war. But it also exposes something else: the clash between secular liberals and religious nationalists for control over the army and society.
Several of the testimonies, published by an institute that runs a premilitary course and is affiliated with the left-leaning secular kibbutz movement, showed a distinct impatience with religious soldiers, portraying them as self-appointed holy warriors.
A soldier, identified by the pseudonym Ram, is quoted as saying that in Gaza, “the rabbinate brought in a lot of booklets and articles and their message was very clear: We are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle, God brought us back to this land and now we need to fight to expel the non-Jews who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land. This was the main message, and the whole sense many soldiers had in this operation was of a religious war.”
Dany Zamir, the director of the one-year premilitary course who solicited the testimonies and then leaked them, leading to a promise by the military to investigate, is quoted in the transcripts as expressing anguish over the growing religious nationalist elements of the military.
“If clerics are anointing us with oil and sticking holy books in our hands, and if the soldiers in these units aren’t representative of the whole spectrum of the Jewish people, but rather of certain segments of the population, what can we expect?” he said. “To whom do we complain?”
For the first four decades of Israel’s existence, the army — like many of the country’s institutions — was dominated by kibbutz members who saw themselves as secular, Western and educated. In the past decade or two, religious nationalists, including many from the settler movement in the West Bank, have moved into more and more positions of military responsibility. (In Israeli society, they are a growing force, distinct from, and more modern than, the black-garbed ultra-Orthodox, who are excused from military service.)
In many cases, the religious nationalists have ascended to command positions from precisely the kind of premilitary college course that Mr. Zamir runs — but theirs are run by the religious movements rather than his secular one, meaning that the competition between him and them is both ideological and careerist.
“The officer corps of the elite Golani Brigade is now heavily populated by religious right-wing graduates of the preparatory academies,” noted Moshe Halbertal, a Jewish philosophy professor who co-wrote the military code of ethics and who is himself religiously observant but politically liberal. “The religious right is trying to have an impact on Israeli society through the army.”
For Mr. Halbertal, like for the vast majority of Israelis, the army is an especially sensitive institution because it has always functioned as a social cauldron, throwing together people from all walks of life and scores of ethnic and national backgrounds, and helping form them into a cohesive society with social networks that carry on throughout their lives.
Those who oppose the religious right have been especially concerned about the influence of the military’s chief rabbi, Brig. Gen. Avichai Rontzki, who is himself a West Bank settler and who was very active during the war, spending most of it in the company of the troops in the field.
He took a quotation from a classical Hebrew text and turned it into a slogan during the war: “He who is merciful to the cruel will end up being cruel to the merciful.”
A controversy then arose when a booklet handed out to soldiers was found to contain a rabbinical edict against showing the enemy mercy. The Defense Ministry reprimanded the rabbi.
At the time, in January, Avshalom Vilan, then a leftist member of Parliament, accused the rabbi of having “turned the Israeli military’s activity from fighting out of necessity into a holy war.”
Immediately after Israel withdrew its settlers and soldiers from Gaza in 2005 and then from several West Bank settlements, there was a call to disband certain religious programs in the army because some soldiers in them said they would refuse to obey future orders to disband settlements. After the rise of Hamas in Gaza and the increase in rocket attacks on Israel, that discussion died down.
But Yaron Ezrahi, a leftist political scientist at Hebrew University who has been lecturing to military commanders, said that the call to close those programs should now be revived because what was evident in Gaza was that the humanistic tradition from which a code of ethics is derived was not being sufficiently observed there.
The dispute over control of the army is not only ideological. It is also personal, as all politics is in this small, intimate country. Those who disagree with the chief rabbi have vilified him. Those who are unhappy with what Mr. Zamir did by leaking the transcript of the Gaza soldiers’ testimonies last week have spread word that he is a leftist ideologue out to harm Israel.
In 1990, Mr. Zamir, then a parachute company commander in the reserves, was sentenced to prison for refusing to guard a ceremony involving religious Jews visiting the West Bank city of Nablus. For some, that refusal is a badge of honor; for others it is an act of insubordination and treason. A quiet campaign began on Thursday regarding Mr. Zamir’s leftist sympathies, to discredit the transcript he publicized.
At the same time, Rabbi Rontzki’s numerous sayings and writings have been making the rounds among leftist intellectuals. He has written, for example, that what others call “humanistic values” are simply subjective feelings that should be subordinate to following the law of the Torah.
He has also said that the main reason for a Jewish doctor to treat a non-Jew on the Sabbath, when work is prohibited but treating the sick and injured is expected, is to avoid exposing Diaspora Jews to hatred.
Mr. Halbertal, the Jewish philosopher who opposes the attitude of Rabbi Rontzki, said the divide that is growing in Israel is not only between religious and secular Jews but among the religious themselves. The debate is over three issues — the sanctity of land versus life; the relationship between messianism and Zionism; and the place of non-Jews in a sovereign Jewish state.
The religious left argues that the right has made a fetish of the land of Israel instead of letting life take precedence, he said. The religious left also rejects the messianic nature of the right’s Zionist discourse, and it argues that Jewish tradition values all life, not primarily Jewish life.
“The right tends to make an equation between authenticity and brutality, as if the idea of humanism were a Western and alien implant to Judaism,” he said. “They seem not to know that nationalism and fascism are also Western ideas and that hypernationalism is not Jewish at all.”
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But your cut and paste NY times piece still didn't address my questions.
This is because (as I've said ad nauseum) my goal is not to disuade you from your views...the cement is obviously dry. Clarity is always the first concern...then give your opinion. I've acknowledged the violence and dysfunction of the Israel side. I do not wholesale defend Israel. never have.
But to you the cold, hard and clearly stated desires of Hamas saying that it wants an Islamic state all the way from the Jordan to the Mediterranean and publishes and promulgates the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are either conveniently ignored by you or worse...issues to be cleverly skitred by you as to not expose your reprehensible support for a FANATICAL RELIGIOUS THEOCRATIC DICTORSHIP.
If Israels official mission statement was so vile I would go Rorschach on them too. Only a morally bankrupt person or religious fanantic would embrace the aforementioned platform. Explain your support...
Hey...gotta break a few eggs right?
Rather cut and paste MY favortite article I will let you have the last word.
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Obama can't hold a candle to any special olympics bowler..
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Mar 22, 2009 6:29:53 PM CDT
DocPazua, the only problem with your little theory is that
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Gordon Brown actually tried to play one of the DVDs and couldn't because IT WAS THE WRONG REGION!!!! Sorry you didn't know the facts. I know you are probably a college kid and are all theory, but I like to deal with facts and the fact is, Barack Hussein Obama gave Gordon Brown 25 DVDs he couldn't plya on his DVD player, PERIOD!!!!
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it'a s 1000% FACT that the teleprompter was not working properly at the RNC and Sarah Palin and Rudy Giuliani both had to refer to their notes when speaking because the words on the screen were not keeping pace with what they were saying. This is an indisputable fact. No one said that it was broken. However, it was rendered useless because it wasn't in sync with what they were saying. Why is that so hard to understand? Are you just upset because your guy, Obama, is like Ron Burgundy and will read anything on the teleprompter, even if it means thanking himself? He aslo mad another embarrassing mistake this weekend where he got lost and fumbled over his words, looking back and forth to each sided and saying something really stupid. He's on pace to out gaffe Bush in just his first year. The guy is an embarrassment. His poll numbers are plummetting and it's becoming apparant that he's in way over his head. I guess that's to be expected when the first real job he's EVER had in his life is PRESIDENT!!! Yeah, good thing that he finally gets work experience as the most powerful person on Earth for his first job in his mid-40's...
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Have you ever tried having a polite dialog with a mainstream religious Zionist (not the nutjob JTF type) or gone to a religious Zionist website, or do you get all your views from antagonistic secondhand sources?
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BSB is an intern for Olbermann's show. That (coupled with the lack of pay) should simultaneously explain the ignorance, arrogance and bitterness. Imagine what life must be like when you are ordered what to think and say.I would silently shake my head and pity, yet more of the same is what he desires for the rest of us.
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Maybe a stupid question here...are you being facetious about the intern thing? Because if that is true you just made my day!
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You CERTAINLY didn't say it was some brief instance of the teleprompter failing to catch up.
Try again.
You tried to make out Palin was a Genius for keeping going as she was beset by catastrophic Telprompter failure when the fact was there was a reporter on the ground who saw the whole thing along with others and Palin's OWN spokespeople said the Teleprompter wasn't a problem.
But here's your OWN words so others can judge whether you bought into the Drudge spin wholesale or not.-----
Coughlin - "her teleprompter went down and she didn't have to wait"
Coughlin - "her teleprompter went down and not only did she not panic, she got even better as she went on!!!"
Coughlin - "in contrast to Sarah Palin whose speech was better than mine and no one could tell her teleprompter went down!!!!"
Coughlin - "And guess what, her teleprompter went down and she didn't have to wait 5 minutes for it to come back on."
-----You not only believed the bullshit exagerations and Lies you parroted them several times as proof of Palins brilliance.
The Teleprompter didn't go down or break it certainly wasn't off for 5 mins and was never "renedered useless".
Politico.com
September 04, 2008
Categories: Convention
The teleprompter did not break
Sarah Palin delivered a powerful speech last night, but she did not "wing it."
Which is what Erick Erickson, citing sources close to McCain, has written on his blog, RedState.
Erickson writes that "the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks. As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Gov. Palin was in the speech."
This claim has been picked up on Drudge and could quickly enter into the insta-mythmaking about a speech that need not be embroidered.
Perhaps there were moments where it scrolled slightly past her exact point in the speech. But I was sitting in the press section next to the stage, within easy eyeshot of the teleprompter. I frequently looked up at the machine, and there was no serious malfunction. A top convention planner confirms this morning that there were no major problems.
Erickson writes that the same malfunction happened during Rudy Giuliani's speech earlier in the night. Again, I watched the teleprompter during this speech, and it worked without problem. Giuliani, as is his wont, simply decided to go off-script and add some new lines, such as one attacking Obama for his "bitter" comments.
These extemporaneous comments, many of which drew huge applause, made the former New York mayor's speech run much longer than planned. So much so that a convention planner confirms that they had to scrap a planned video ahead of Palin's speech.--------
1000% indisputable fact indeed. The only person embarrassing themselves is you with horseshit trivia about a Teleprompter and DVD's.
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Bullshit. You're telling me that the leader of one of the most powerful nations on Earth doesn't have access to region-free DVD watching?
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Mar 23, 2009 7:08:15 AM CDT
G100, are you really that stupid as to not realize that
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you totally backed up exactly what I said? SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO READ WHAT WAS ON THE SCREEN BECAUSE IT WAS TOO FAR AHEAD!!! Therefore, the teleprompter became useless!!! If what she was supposed to say was not on the screen when it was supposed to be, doesn't that mean that it "went down"? Are you really such a partisan hack that you refuse to accept reality and give credit to anyone on the oter side of the political aisle for anything? Obama has proven twice in the last week that when his teleprompter isn't working properly that he fumbles his words and says something stupid. Compare that to Palin and Giuliani...
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Or type in "Obama gets lost using teleprompter" for examples of this. Then compare Sarah Palin's first national speech to the eniter country, not able to read the words on the screen that she was supposed to when she was supposed to read them.
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can understand because you're obviously just not getting it. It would be like trying to watch an episode of Lost on TV, but your TV was stuck on the Home Shopping Network. Now, technically the TV is still working, but for someone trying to watch Lost, it becomes totally useless. Does that help you understand? And if you don't think it's a big deal since he teleprompter was still working, compare that to Obama who's teleprompter was showing him the Irish President's speech and President Ron Burgundy thanks himself. Or when he was dumbfounded searching both sides of the teleprompter for where he was. The guy sounds like an idiot without a teleprompter. Without one, the President Teleprompter says things like there are 57 states, claims 10,000 people get killed in a town when it was less than 100, and makes fun of the athletic ablities of Special Needs kids at the Special Olympics. Do you understand now?
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Mar 23, 2009 7:41:49 AM CDT
The Guradian in the UK reported that when Gordon Brown
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sat down to watch Psycho, "Wrong Region" came up on the screen. I'm sorry that this doesn't jibe with your little theory but both the The UK Guardian and the Wall Street Journal report that Brown tried to watch one of the DVDs but "Wrong Region" popped up and he couldn't. I'll wait for your apology...
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more than the dailykos, MotherJones, and The Huffington Post to get actual news. I'm sorry I pointed out that you were wrong and I was right...
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President Teleprompter apparantly didn't know Jaque Chirac wasn't President of France anymore. It's reported that he sent Chirac a letter saying he looked forward to working with him over the next four years, pissing off current French President Sarkozy off. Barack H. Obama really is showing that he is incompetent. It's starting to not be funny anymore...
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Perhaps you'd like to back that up with links -- preferably to reputable first-hand accounts. Hell, go ahead and find the links to the papers you just mentioned.
While you're at it, maybe you can find the link that corroborates your buddy Immortal_Fish's claim that Brown's eyesight is so bad that he can't even watch TV any more. Oh wait -- if that's true, then he wouldn't even have bothered putting the DVDs on, would he? -
The Daily Mail and the The Telegraph, BOTH UK newspapers reported it. Why don't you go online and find it. I'm not going to hold your hand for you. Why don't you Google "Gordon Brown can't watch DVDs" I'll give you some time and then I expect an apology. I expect you to admit I was right and you were wrong. Go ahead. Check it out. The USA Today article has links to the Telegraph and the DailyMail.
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Mar 23, 2009 8:54:46 AM CDT
I know that the sites you usually go to like the dailykos
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and the Huffington Post don't report all of Obama's screw-ups, but if you expand your horizons a little and look at different news sources, you just might learn something and maybe even find out that Obama maybe isn't the genius you seem to beleive he is...
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Mar 23, 2009 9:00:57 AM CDT
And sorry, I'm not here to defend anyone else. I'm here to
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back up everything I've said, which I can. Everything I've said is true. I don't know who Immortal_Fish is or what he said. I do however know that I stated something that is 100% FACT and you challenged it. Now, however, you look like an idiot because what I said is true. Sorry to ruin your image of the boy-genius, who's first real job his entire life was President...
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just man up and admit you were wrong. You asked for reputable fisrt hand accounts and I gave you to of London's top newspapers. Just admit you were wrong about this one thing. Come one, you can do it!!!
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Let me spell it out for you: there is no story here.
The reason I asked you to provide links is because I already read those bullshit "news items". The Telegraph bit is simply a wry musing on what may have happened in 10 Downing St. They even said that Brown presumably "had to put the popcorn away" when the display read "wrong region." NOBODY has reported this as something that actually happened, least of all Gordon fucking Brown.
Did you spend so much as an instant wondering why the only British papers who "reported" this bit of "news" only did so in this slightly humorous manner? Or why no other newspapers in the world except American ones actually gave this "news" any credence?
You are one of two things, Coughlin:
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Telegrah of lying or making it up? It clearly states that he tried to play the DVDs and the "Wrong Region" message came up. Why do you refuse to accept this? I really feel sorry for you. Do you have such a deranged devotion to Barack Obama that you can't even admit to this? The Daily Mail, The London Telegraph, the Wall Street Journal, the USA Today, and numerous new sites all accross the internet report that Gordon Brown tried to play one of the DVDs and couldn't because "Wrong Region" popped up on the screen when he tried to play it. They reported this as a fact. No one in the Brown Government or this Government disputed it. They didn't report it as a humerous anecdote that could have happened. They reported that it DID happen. Why is this so hard for you to accept. You make yourself look like an asshole. You owe me an apology. I told you that the DVDs weren't playable for Gordon Brown. You said it didn't happen. It turns out that what I said was 100% CORRECT!!! Gordon Browns tried to play the DVD and couldn't because it was the wrong region. It's not the worst mistake in the world. I'll bet most people in their 40's, whether it was Obama himself or someone on his staff's fault, don't know about regional coding on DVDs. However, I don't know why you would try to go out of your way to refute this story when it appears pretty much cut and dry exactly the way I said it was. So, I can only guess that your plan is to lie on this message board hoping that people just take your word for things because most people here hate me than to check out what the story actually says. What I said is right. Barack Obama gave Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister 25 DVDs form the AFI Top 100 Movies of All Time. However, when Gordon Brown tried to play one of the DVDs (they said it was Psycho), the message "Wrong Region" came up. This is 100% FACT. If you don't believe it, then the Daily Mail or The UK Telegraph are lying. Your problem isn't with me. I'm telling you what two of the leading newspapers in London have reported...
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of the hysterical Lefties here, as someone who is an Un-Serious person. You will defend your guy no matter what, simply because he has a (D) next to his name. Have you no shame? Seriously, I have no problem attacking or not defending Republicans when they deserve it. Why are you going out of your way to try and refute a story that is being reported as fact in the UK? I really don't get it...
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Is that the new paradigm we are entering into?
http://tinyurl.com/btu55z
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Mar 23, 2009 11:40:10 AM CDT
Dooku, he's not a serious person. He just will refuse
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to ever see anything negative about his guy. It's actually kind of sad. I kind of understood his childish defense at first not believing anything I said because it came from me. But, even after he read the articles which prove what I'm saying (unless he's accusing the UK Telegraph of lying) is just beyond sad. His single minded devotion to this man makes it impossible for him to accept any criticism of him whatsoever. It's kid of pathetic. He has seen 100% proof of what I said as being true and he still won't accept it...
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says. It doesn't say anywhere it is a humor piece or a "wry musing on what may have happened at 10 Downing St". It also doesn't say he "presumably" had to put the popcorn away when the "wrong region" message came up. He is LYING!!! As far as other news agencies picking it up, they're starting to now. It's in the USA Today and the Wall Street Journal today and I'm sure more and more will pick it up, so there goes that stupid line of reasoning. Anyone who wants a link to it, Google Gordon Brown Can't Watch DVDs and maybe add Telegraph. You will see dozens of other sources besides the UK Telegraph now. The original story in the Telegraph is exactly as I said it was and nothing like he said it was. And like I said, it's not THAT big of a deal. I don't think not knowing about regional DVD coding makes you stupid, just uninformed. So either he or someone on his staff had no idea about regional coding and made a stupid mistake (almost as stupid as giving DVDs as a state gift in the first place), but your refusal to even except this as the fact that it is makes you look like a hyper-partisan asshole who will refuse to say anything or admit anything disparaging about your guy no matter what simply because he's has a (D) next to his name. Isn't this the sort of partisan stuff that Obama himself has said he was against?
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Mar 23, 2009 1:13:47 PM CDT
it didn't go down she didn't have to wait 5 mins. You were caugh
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Keep wriggling and squirming though it is vastly amusing.
So who are we going to believe ? Someone who parrots bullshit spin from Drudge and thinks anyone gives a shit about a DVD's regional coding or a journalist from Politico who was there and got confirmation of his story from the RNC ?
I know it smarts but the guy you voted for could barely string a coherent sentence together. Didn't matter when He used a Teleprompter or cue cards or even if he had someone shouting into his ear what to say, he sounded like a doofus.
Obama's made a couple of gaffes but nothing major and in the depths of a Recesion absoluteley nothing to get as amusingly foaming at the mouth and spittle flyingly hysterical about it as you are.
I repeat. No-one gives a shit about horseshit and trivia.
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the words that were in front of her were not the right words, NOT THE WORDS SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SAYING!!! PERIOD!!! As far as the whole DVD story, I notice you've just dropped it all of a sudden. Does that mean you're apologizing to me?
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as a whipping boy? Forever? Look, at this point I his Presidency we have just as many if not more examples of Obama sounding stupid. Did Bush ever claim there were 57 states? Did Bush ever say that 10,000 people died when it was less than 100? Did Bush ever make fun of the Special Olympics? Not to mention, I told you and everyone else here hundreds of times that I would've voted for Lieverman over Bush in 2004. I would've voted for Evan Bayh or Hillary Clinton over John McCain last year. I'm not in love with Bush. I just don't understand this sickness you have where you can't admit that Obama makes mistakes and lies. Why can't you admit it?
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horse-shit trivia, then why are you so upset when Bush fumbled words? So, are you saying you care when a President messes up only if it's a Republican, but when a Democrat President messes up constantly you don't care? I don't understand your double standards. Are you now at least admitting I was right and you were wrong about the DVD story? You know, where Barack Hussein Obama gave one of the most inappropriate State Gifts of all time and it turned out that they don't even work in Britain? Are you conceding you were wrong on that?
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over the internet? It was reported by two of the biggest newspapers in London. Why don't you look it up for yourself, instead of just disregarding every thing I say because you don't like me. What is the matter with you? You act like a child. I am a conservative so according to you I lie about everything, even when I'm quoting stories out of newspapers of record verbatim? What's the matter with you? As far as that teleprompter story from the RNC, it wasn't just on Drudge, making you the liar. And that story you quote from the Politico even backs up what I said. The words she was supposed to be reading weren't on the screen, rendering the teleprompter useless, which is why she had to read most of it from the earlier draft she had with her at the podium. This is a 100% FACT. While technically the teleprompter was working, it wasn't where it was supposed to be. The words she was supposed to be reading were no where on the screen. How is that a working teleprompter?
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and you will find the UK Telegraph story that I cited. You will see it exactly the way I said it was. You will NOT see it as a humor piece like DocPazuzu said it was. He was LYING!!!! And yes, the American People DO care about so-called trivial things. They concentrated on all the wrong things during the campaign and didn't vet Obama at all.
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a journalist and they do not prcatice journalism. They put up opinion pieces and most of his have had a liberal slant/attacking Republicans and praising Obama. So, according to you, if, like me, you support one candidate over another, you shouldn't be trusted? Or should only the 60 million people who didn't vote for Obama not be trusted? I'm trying to keep track of your hypocrisy and double standards but it's tough. You hold a different standard for everyone, based on who they vote for...
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Mar 23, 2009 2:47:59 PM CDT
Coughlin - "And guess what, her teleprompter went down and she d
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Try again.
But by all means keep disproving my assertion that you are in a spittle flying hysteria about utter fucking trivia.
AS for the DVD's are you REALLY so colossaly stupid as to believe there was a fucking reporter in the room when Brown sat one night to watch the DVD's ???? Apparently so. It was a sketch. A "Vision" played for comedy and DocPaz has already smacked you down hard for your ignorance.
Were the DVD's a crass gift. YES. But the only people who thinks it really matters are you and presumably those charged with Diplomatic gifting.
The difference is the guy from Politico was THERE along with many other reporters. He also recieved confirmation from the RNC officials about the Telepromters status.
But you really do seem to be batshit insane enough to believe there might have been a reporter hiding at Number 10 Downing Street watching Brown's viewing habits. No source is ever quoted because it's a SKETCH.
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"It would be funny if the DVDs Mr Obama gave Mr Brown were Region 1 NTSC and therefore not compatible with the UK where DVDs are region 2 and video format is PAL."
This is quite a serious question. I have a vision of the Browns, Gordon and Sarah, settling down at the PM's country retreat (Chequers) this weekend. The children have been put to bed and Mr Brown heads in the direction of the DVD player:
GB: "The Obamas bought us some films on DVD. That was very thoughtful."
SB: "Not that thoughtful..."
GB: "What shall we watch? ET? Star Wars? Psycho, Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia?
SB: sighs... "Seen them all."
GB: "I'll try The Wizard of Oz, it's the version in which all the colours have been restored to the original quality. We can stop and try something else if you don't like it. Where's the remote control?" (GB fiddles with the DVD player for several minutes) "Right, I think it's going to start." (Nothing happens, machine displays a notice saying 'disc loading error').
SB: (examining DVD cover) "They're Region 1, they won't play in the UK."
The Browns sit in complete silence for several more minutes reflecting on what this means.
Let's hope that somebody in the White House was aware of the difference between the formats and acted accordingly when ordering the DVDs. I have asked Number 10 to clarify and will post an update when they respond.-----------
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Last Updated: 4:31PM GMT 18 Mar 2009
Alas, when the PM settled down to begin watching them the other night, he found there was a problem.
The films only worked in DVD players made in North America and the words "wrong region" came up on his screen. Although he mournfully had to put the popcorn away, he is unlikely to jeopardise the special relationship – or "special partnership", as we are now supposed to call it – by registering a complaint
A Downing Street spokesman said he was "confident" that any gift Obama gave Brown would have been "well thought through," but referred me to the White House for assistance on the "technical aspects".
A White House spokesman sniggered when I put the story to him and he was still looking into the matter when my deadline came last night.
By the way, when Obama's unlikely gift was disclosed, a reader emailed me to ask if Clueless was among the films. Funnily enough, it was not.
Brown, on the other hand, presented a rather more thoughtful gift to the American President in the form of a penholder carved from the timbers of an anti-slavery ship. The sister ship, in fact, of the one that was broken up and turned into the desk in the Oval Office.--------
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Let’s take a look at your links, shall we?
1) Newsbusters: “DVDs made in America don't play on European DVD players. American DVDs are created in the "Region One" format while those in Europe play in "Region Two" format. A U.S. DVD just won't play on a machine made for the English market.”
Okay, that’s simply not true. While discs indeed are coded R1 for North America and R2 for Europe, and American discs are NTSC and European ones are PAL, most DVD players sold in Europe advertise region-free and PAL/NTSC compatibility as selling points. It’s only in America that region coding is an issue at all. Why? Well, for starters, television produced for the European market have been exclusively multi-system NTSC/PAL machines since at least the early 1990s. Similarly, VHS players have also been both NTSC/PAL compatible for just as long, meaning that Europeans have had the basic prerequisites for viewing American formats for nearly TWO DECADES. When I’ve tried to explain this to many Americans, the response has often been, “Well, if multi-system is so great, how come we ain’t got it in the States then?” This is why Americans to a large extent are still trapped in this outdated idea of home theater tech and statements like the one mentioned above are literally wallowing in ignorance.
2) Engadget: “"Oh, bollocks." No, we can't definitively prove that Gordon Brown said that after witnessing a "Wrong Region" code when inserting a DVD given to him by Barack Obama, but we're sure something of the sort was uttered. You see, the ridiculous DVD region coding system recently prevented the British Prime Minister from viewing a set of 25 "American classics" on DVD, all of which were bestowed upon him by President Obama during a recent visit to Washington, D.C.”
Oh, so they can’t prove it? I thought that it was a “FACT” as stated by Coughlin’s Law.
3) USA Today: “Now it turns out Brown can't play the discs because of region-specific limitations, The Daily Telegraph reports. DVD players are coded to limit themselves to material meant for specific geographic areas. The United States and Canada are Region 1. Western and Central Europe are Region 2. Players sold in one region aren't supposed to play discs sold in another.”
Again, ignorance of the basic facts on the ground.
4) The Wall Street Journal: “Did President Barack Obama gift Gordon Brown unplayable in the UK DVDs? Developing...”
Oh, so it’s a question now? And a developing story? Stay tuned…
Oh and the Guardian article referred to by USA Today? NOT ONE MENTION OF REGION CODING.
As for the Telegraph article referred to by The Wall Street Journal, it starts off with these very words: "It would be funny if the DVDs Mr Obama gave Mr Brown were Region 1 NTSC and therefore not compatible with the UK where DVDs are region 2 and video format is PAL. This is quite a serious question. I have a vision of the Browns, Gordon and Sarah, settling down at the PM's country retreat (Chequers) this weekend. The children have been put to bed and Mr Brown heads in the direction of the DVD player…” After which and IMAGINARY exchange between the Browns regarding their “unplayable” discs is related for HUMOROUS EFFECT. Don’t believe me? Look here: http://tinyurl.com/cjufnv
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After you're through reading my post to Steve_Dooku and G100's above, perhaps you'd like to peruse this link to a telegraph article regarding Brown "setting aside his popcorn", you know, the one you accused me of LYING ABOUT:
http://tinyurl.com/c9e8lq
On a side note, your seediness has now reached an all-time high with this bit:
"As far as you saying that people don't care about horse-shit trivia, then why are you so upset when Bush fumbled words? So, are you saying you care when a President messes up only if it's a Republican, but when a Democrat President messes up constantly you don't care? I don't understand your double standards."
By the way, where did you slime off to up above when you had been proven a liar about how you use presidential names in triples in earlier talkbacks? Once you had been called on that you sobbed about how we were caught up in trivia when you would rather discuss policies -- IN THIS VERY TALKBACK!
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...in this whole matter are that Obama gave Brown an awful, chintzy gift consisting of 25 region 1 DVDs. END OF STORY.
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You beat me to those links. Well played, sir.
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You guys take the cake, and cherry pick stuff better than George Washington himself. Tha WSJ link is one the aggregates many other links related to the same story.
I was merely pointing out that the story WAS reported on. If you look back in the TalkBack I also stated that Obama, "THE ONE" himself isn't even responsible for CHOOSING the gifts, and I agree that is a FACT. -
If you had actually read my earlier posts you would see that I pointed out that the only media reporting this as some sort of news item is the American press, and this because Americans in most cases simply do not know the reality of how most people around the world watch DVDs.
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... on, like, the economy and shit.
He needs to be urgently setting up a special Presidential Commission to get to the bottom of this sickening DVD crisis.
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isn't George Washington more famous for cutting down cherry trees, than actually picking the cherries?
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Some of you are so heavily invested in the meaningless of this and/or intentionally minimizing the net effect. I'm inclined to agree that it's a non-issue, but cannot given the collection of other facts as a whole.This happened days before the Churchill bust was given back. The State Dept. replied that Brittan is one of 190 countries and shouldn't expect special treatment. And, yeah, the man's eyes are going bad. Given the lack of thought that went into this gift, do you really think that any consideration was given to the high average of region free DVD players sold in the UK?You people are focusing on one facet instead of the entire issue. And you know that you are doing it. I don't care that the gift was a pile of DVDs. I care about the overall impression left with a decades long, staunch ally. Perspective -- Brittan has dedicated more troops in Afghanistan than the rest of Europe combined. Do we really want to piss them off now?Contrast this to Obama's months long bleating of his desire to extend a fig leaf to Iran. If there is a gift exchange involved, will the same consideration go into the one destined for Ahmadinejad? And if it doesn't, then what does that tell us about the Obama administration?But, no... minimize and dismiss. Minimize and dismiss.
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"Olive branch" is the form of vegetation suitable to the Iranian situation.
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No, you said his eyesight was so bad that he couldn't even watch TV.
NOBODY is downplaying the tackiness of the gifts.
And no, I don't think anyone on Obama's staff had taken the proliferation of region-free DVD players in Europe into consideration. So what? To suggest that the headquarters of one of the most powerful nations on Earth WOULDN'T have multi-region capacity is ludicrous -- even if there wasn't one single other region-free machine in the whole country.And even if Obama's staff DIDN'T assume the latter, the discs still aren't "useless" for reasons I have already mentioned in earlier posts.
I love how some people here fixate on minute details, sometimes erroneously, and when they get completely smoked on them suddenly say that we need to focus on the bigger issues.
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It's coming.
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The nanotechnology required to make this issue even smaller is far beyond the reach of modern science.
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Brown's eyesight is failing.The gift was tackyThe administration inadvertently went out of their way (??) to piss off a decades long ally.You just don't get it. You, Doc Jon Paztewartzu, the biasless TB poster who can see objectively thru all bullshit, just doesn't get it, do you?I "erroneously" fixate on minute details while pontificating on the bigger picture?Are Gordon's eyes failing him?Are they region coded DVDs?Was it a tacky gift?Did the admin give the bust of Churchill back?Does the exchanged gift even begin to measure up to the one received?Did the State Dept. marginalize Brittan?Has Brittan provided more troops to Afghanistan than any other Euro nation?Does Obama plan to kiss Ahmadinejad's ass?Will the same care be given to any gift bestowed upon Tehran?How exactly is it that I have "been smoked" on these "minute" details I am "fixated" on?Do this "minute details" carry any weight at all that might impact the Paztewartzu residence?Pathetic? Yes. Perhaps by your very short and apt measuring stick.
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If these things don't matter, then why do them in the first place?IMO, one of the gift-givers had this whole thing all figured out.
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If by "Republicanism" you mean the end of Bush, McCain, Schwarzenegger, Snowe, Collins, Specter, Huckabee, Chafee, etc.Please, please, please. I truly hope you're right. It's time for renewal.
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This elaborate, disingenuous, aggrandizing, gift-giving charade between heads of state is a ridiculous waste of resources. It might be appropriate for primitive warlords but, for my money, it's a foolish and expensive anachronism.
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Yes, it's all meaningless pomp and circumstance that we've all paid for, whether or not we live in the US or the UK.Yet if custom dictates, you kinda oughtta get the meaningless tripe right. Low hanging fruit and all that.
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Mar 23, 2009 7:39:46 PM CDT
Iran already got a rather large gift from Bush. It's called Iraq
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And BTW the Saudis among many others WARNED Bush before the Invasion what would happen if Iraq was fucked up from the start and the Shia were allowed almost complete dominance.
Though no doubt much of this was due to their own Sunni Interests it doesn't mean they were wrong about Iran being that major winner from the Invasion and installation of of an almost fawningly Iran friendly Iraq Green Zone Government.
And while we're at it you DO realise that every European Leader was squabbling to try and be the first to visit and soak up the Obama popularity hoping it will rub off on them ? Obama could have given Brown a turd in a bag and he would have walked away happy with the facetime, Congress Speech and P.R. -
You fail to grasp the depth of courtesy and protocol to not just any nation, to not just any fair day well-wisher, but to a long time, committed ally.And you unwittingly give meaning to the tenet of "To each according to their needs." Brown should be happy to garner only an equal percentage of Obama's emanated Euro aura? Again, I remind you that Brittan has pledged more troops in Afghanistan than the rest of the Euro west. The turd analogy you mention should work its way in reverse.
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Mar 23, 2009 10:44:03 PM CDT
Yes the depth of DVD's measured against troops is truly staggeri
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Brown was first. His primary aim was met as This Times article shows. All this feeble horseshit about DVD's is hilariously irrelevant. A diplomatic incident this is clearly not. Excitable right wing bloggers and otgers workin themselves into an amusing hysterical fury about complete trivia is exactly what it is.
-----The Times
Queen ready to bend protocol in granting audience for Barack Obama
Philip Webster, Political Editor
President Obama is expected to be granted an audience with the Queen when he comes to London next month for talks on global efforts to tackle the recession.
Such a move would be unusual, since President Obama will be in London not on a state visit but for a meeting with leaders of leading industrialised countries, the so-called G20.
The Queen is said to be keen to see Mr Obama, having met ten of his predecessors. The only man to have occupied the White House during her reign whom she did not meet was Lyndon B. Johnson.
Plans are being discussed for President Obama to be granted an audience at Buckingham Palace on April 1, the day before the conference formally begins. The President’s visit to London, and the G20 summit, are central to Gordon Brown’s plans for responding to the recession.
He returned from Washington early yesterday in a bullish mood, believing that he had won Mr Obama’s support for agreements to tighten up banking regulation when the G20 leaders meet in London Docklands.
Before Mr Brown’s chartered jet was an hour out of the American capital, Mr Obama was on the telephone congratulating him on his speech to Congress and talking about the next G20 steps.
During the ten-minute conversation Mr Obama thanked Mr Brown for the gifts he presented during his visit and told the Prime Minister that his present of a penholder made from the timbers of HMS Gannet, a 19th-century anti-slaving ship, has been placed on the presidential desk in the Oval Office. Mr Obama gave the Prime Minister a boxed set of 25 classic American films.-----
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I was primarily referring to Coughlin, who has now mysteriously disappeared after being SMOKED. I find the DVD issue to be tacky, yes, as I have stated earlier, but tools like Coughlin can't leave well enough alone -- have to invent even more idiotic minutiae. When bullshit is called on this minutiae, they retreat into the sphere of "let's talk about the big issues". It's this disingenuous, cowardly horseshit that they're being called on. You've been here long enough, Fish, to know that I'm not one to avoid talking about bigger issues in politics on AICN.
But yes, you did tank on the "can't even watch anything televised anymore" thing.
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let me correct a few things about this. Gordon Brown's eyesight is not fading (unless he's looking at his own record), he's got one eye. Not the same. Coughdrop- I have a region free DVD player. They really aren't hard to get. If Brown didn't know about regions, and tried to play it, that makes him a dickhead. He would be able to get one within about half an hour. IT's a shitty gift, agreed. But I wouldn't give that fat useless cunt anything worthwhile either
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actually, coughdrop- that was meant to be humourous, and that kind of wry observation is something the Telegraph do a lot- it will have been a kind of "and finally" in the editorial. It's a joke.
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Fucking dirty nutjob,.
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Maybe they should just keep him busy with doing talk shows, to minimize the damage. Aside from the stem cell thing (kudos for that one), every new policy he comes out with is an economic slowmotiontrainwreck.
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further to DocP's demolition of the vile little nazi, Braneballs is probably the most despicable poster on these boards. He's even worse than known Horse fucker Equinas as there is an outside chance of Equinas being a joker and if serious, the only person likely to be hurt is himself. If (and thank the lord that this will not happen)Braneballs had any kind of power, you can say good bye to any civil liberties, welcome urban ghettos for anyone not white and christian, and prepare to slink off into glorious isolation and a return to the 19th Century. He's a fucking dreadful, dreadful human being, and don't be fooled by the fact that he can string a few slogans together. He's doing it on some form of nascent technology that translates drool into English.
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Barack Hussein Obama, does not know how to pronounce Orion. Three times in 2 minutes he pronounces it OR-EEE-ON. Would anyone here make that stupid of a mistake? This is 3 fuck-ups in just the last week. It sure sounds to me like he stumbles his words just as much as Bush did. At least Bush can blame it on dyslexia. Between his constant gaffes, his over a dozne broken promises and lies, and his seeming intent on bankrupting our country with Trillion Dollar Defecits as fas as the eye can see, no wonder his poll numbers are plummetting. John Zogby's latest poll has President Teleprompter down to 50%, much less popular than Bush or Clinton were at this point. The guy's a joke. I think alot of independents are realizing that hey shouldn't have given this man-child the Presidency for his first job. Did you see his embarrassing 60 Minutes interview? Laughing through the list of problems they were talking about. Obviously, this guy has no idea what to do or how to act without a Teleprompter telling him what to say. He either says there are 57 states, lies about Nancy Reagan holding seances in the Oval Office (that was Hillary Clinton who did that), or makes fun of the athletic abilities of Special Needs kids in the Special Olympics. I think alot of people are waking up to the fact that this guy fooled a lot of people just because he could read the same speech over and over again for 2 and a half years. Now that they give him different things to read on the teleprompter all the time, he looks way too human. The guy is a joke. He's never had a real job his entire life. Sure am glad that his first job is President...
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aren't you aware that bush is out of office? by the way, the phrase you're looking for is "hoist by your own petard" President Teleprompter is a vast improvement on Barack Hussein Obama, by the way. Well done.
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Mar 24, 2009 8:20:54 AM CDT
"never had a real job his entire life. Sure am glad that his fir
by lost jarv
Again, Coughlin, this is exactly the same failed rhetoric you've posted untold times before. That's simply not true.
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...don't you owe me an apology?
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Mar 24, 2009 8:51:19 AM CDT
How am I living in the past? I've stated over and over
by coughlins laws
I'm not a Bush supporter. You're the one living in the past. I'm talking about the current guy and you seem obsessed with the last President. It's a fact that Barack Hussein Obama has never had a real job his entire life. Running a college newspaper or being a guest lecturere or organizing angry mobs or voting present a record number of times while in the state senate planning your run for National Office or spending over half you time in the US Senate running for President do no count as real jobs. This guy is an idiot who can not speak properly without reading words written for him on a Teleprompter. I'm sorry to break it to you. I'm not living in the past. I'm talking about this guy who we're stuck with for at least 4 years because people wanted HopeandChange they could believe in. Meanwhile, he has broken at least a dozen campaign promises, has no problem with lying, and lowers the Office of President by appearing on a late night comedy show and makes fun of the Special Olympics. I'm just postulating that alot of you will be embarrassed in 4 years to admit that you voted for this guy who makes gaffe after gaffe, almost on a daily basis now, at the very least a weekly basis. It's becoming more and more clear that he doesn't think about what he reads or what he says, he just reads what others have written for him. He really isn't that articulate if you get him off script. I feel sorry for you. I wouldn't want to have to defend this guy every day for the next 4 years which it appears you're willing to do...
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right. You're the one that was wrong. Your problem is with the UK Telegraph.
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... and yet he's critiquing Obama's pronunciation.
Reading his puerile posts is like watching, horrified, at that special kid in primary school :
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My stocks are up, I have a great new position, got a sub-5% rate on my new home, and no terrorist attacks. But leave it to Coughlins to bitch about "Or-ee-on" and Region 1 DVDs. LOL
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It's understandable. Name one President who hasn't done it. You have to be flexible to tackle the problems he's facing, and with an opposition Republican party hellbent on shitting on everything he's doing, his failed attempt at at bi-partisanship is not his fault.
The only thing Obama is guilty of is violating a basic rule of life and business: unpromise and over-deliver. Unfortunately, Presidential campaigns force candidates to over-promise.
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To clarify for the Special Needs Talkbackers among us like Coughlins.
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Of course nothing can compete with the sheer majesty of the White Vader post. What don't you fucking understand?If you disagree then we're done, professionally.
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Compared to the Baleback, every talkback is an amateur.
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The reason you are the target of so much derision here is not neccesarily your views but your rabid attack dog approach. This is what is typical of the paranoid,intolerant whackadoo lefties here. It shows you to be irrational.
To pick up the every micro detail of your opponent, exaggerate it a hundred fold and bash it unequivocally based on emotional ideology... ala BSB or DGDB...renders you null and void. Anything valid you may have to say is washed away in a sea of white noise about middle names, birth certificates, mispronounced words etc.
Not that anyone is going to listen to you now anyway...I think you've already made an indelible impression upon the crew here. You end up in the same category of those you despise...shrill, irrational, non serious thinkers only capable of talking points and diarrhea of the mouth.
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got an IP ban at work. or AiCN got IP Banned by his work. Whatever.
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the last president? You accuse me of this a lot, and it's not accurate. In fact it's beginning to annoy me, especially when you consider that most of your posts mention bush in some reference. (Usually saying shit like "if bush had done that" or "at least bush was..") Cheeky twat.
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That was a pretty underhanded post, and uncalled for. You, sir, are a bitch.
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These days have just seemed hollow and lacking without his many delightful references to urinating in peoples mouths.
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If Obama is as incompetent as you say, then how do you explain the improvement on Wall Street in the past week? Why are the markets improving, if Obama is an idiot with no plan? It looks like his plan is working, so shut the fuck up asshole!
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Good thing DocWho's around running his mouth. OPen wide bitch!!!!!
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So let me get this straight, Coughlin -- after coming in here and accusing me of lying about what the Telegraph said, and repeatedly demanding an apology of me, I show up, completely flatten your arguments and PROVE you WRONG (FACT), and you STILL refuse to admit you were in error?
You are a pathetic little bitch and a cowardly little pussy. I want you to know, Coughlin, that wherever I encounter you in the future, I'm going to bring this matter up and post links so everyone can see what a fucking loser tool you are.
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So risky, but what's the alternative? The market's reacting well to the news, which is nice, but even Obama said this is but one of many more measures needed to stabilize the economy across the board. Jobs, most of all. That's the key, in addition to getting credit flowing. He's doing a fine job so far, I give him an A.
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You definitley under promise and over deliver.
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No terroist attacks in less than 100 days of Obama's reign and you're doing cartwheels. I trust you thought 7 years of no such attacks under Bush's "regieme" was at least equally notable.
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Mar 24, 2009 10:47:14 AM CDT
CONSIDERING IT WAS CHENEY AND THE NEOCONS WHO CONSPIRED 9/11
by bringingsexyback
I'd say the lack of attacks since was to be expected. Obama is doing a great job of keeping the NeoCons, Islamo-Fascists and Zionazis in check.
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Because Obama was Leno.
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Sly stabilizes markets and kicks motherfucking ass.
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You truly are the gift that keeps on giving!
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Open wide and say ahhhhhhhhh!!!!! bitch
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Take your choice but you cannot absolutely prove a concept sans empirical evidence without some degree of bullshit involved.Not to mention that if the Bush administration actually did protect us since 9/11 from any terrorists by stopping a specific attack(s), we'd STILL be hearing about it (and likely arguing too). Especially with Cheney doing the rounds on TV lately of how we're less safe since Obama started undoing some of the Bush policies.And, for some thinking fodder...if all Bush had to do to protect us was do whatever he did for the last 7+ years after 9/11; and we know that his administration was warned about the very real likelihood of an attack (Memo "Bin Laden determined to strike US" that even Condi Rice testified on the SC to reading prior to 9/11...please don't take my word for it..look it up) then how can you defend this man for "protecting us" when you also have to ignore the fact that, if it is indeed true and he did protect us *after* 9/11, then 3000 of us had to die for him to do his fucking job? Instead of hitting the ground running and protecting us from the start? He knew of the possibility and, according to you, had the ability to actually protect us so how do you square that one sports fans?Now, all that said, I'm not accusing, impugning, attacking anything or anyone...just questioning your logic of apparently defending Bush no matter what he did, or didn't do.
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I mean, why stop with the toxic ones? Looks like we're heading in that direction. Hey, just give the Treasury complete control over all large corporate entities. And let the Fed handle all the financing.
In fact, why not just put all private businesses under federal control? Capitalism? We don't need no stinkin' Capitalism!
Welcome to the United States Socialist Republic. Talk about "Back in the USSR"!
I love that Barney Frank is running the show today, by the way. That just proves what a sham this whole deal is. I have no respect whatsoever for our federal government right now. Dems, Republicans, they're all the same.
Anyone who votes for government control over the banks and other corporations is not acting as an American. They are acting like Europeans. Hell, the Congress trying to tax AIG's bonuses was blatantly unconstitutional! You can't just go after one group of people or certain individuals when you write laws. They are meant to be applied to all citizens.
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stir up class envy to the point of class warfare. He promised Change. He never said it would be for the better. So he's keeping his promises, alright. Yes We Can! Yes We Can! Yes We Can! Hate The Man!
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Probably your most coherent post to date!
It delights me to no end knowing I drive you to the brink.
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The Obama administration is already taking some very unconstitutional steps. Read George Will (hardly a bomb thrower) in today's Washington Post. This shit is getting out of hand.
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Mar 24, 2009 2:32:57 PM CDT
Wow, BSB, I forgot you were a crazy 9/11 Conspiracy Truther
by coughlins laws
Maybe I can help you get back on your meds. I can sign you up for my group insurance plan and they won't be that expensive.
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Mar 24, 2009 2:52:57 PM CDT
Here you go guys. Obama's Top Ten Lies/Broken Promises:
by coughlins laws
10. Obama lied about no lobbyists in his Administration. He has at least a dozen so far. 9. Obama lied about allowing earmarks or pork in any laws he signed. The first spending bill on his desk had over 8,000 (actually, that's 8,000 lies right there). 8. Obama lied about taking Federal Matching Funds once he saw how much money he was raising online. 7. Obama lied about putting all bills online for 5 days before he signed them. He signed that so-called Stimulus Bill (which doesn't stimulate hardly anything until 2010) after only 2 days, most of Congress didn't even read it, let alone the public. 6. He lied about when he will send troops home from Iraq. He said May 2010, now we see there will be troops there long after his first term is over. 5. He said that Bill Ayers (the attempted mass murderer) was just a guy who lived in the neighborhood and hardly knew him. AFter the election Ayers admitted that he was very close to the Obamas. 4. Obama claimed he never heard Jeramiah Wright speak the way we saw on those tapes. I can't prove that he lied about this but, come on, he's saying he NEVER in 20 years, or 1,000 Sundays EVER heard him scream crazy shit like that before? It's just not credible. 3. Obama said he's closing Gitmo but he's already backind down on this and it looks like some of these terrorists will be given lawyers here in America. 2. Obama said he would be fiscally responsible yet he is giving us budgets with $1 TRILLION DEFECITS AS FAR AS THE EVYE CAN SEE!!!! (That's A MILLION MILLION DOLLARS. That's $1,000,000,000,000.00 every single year) He's going to add more to the National Debt in just one term than Bush did in two. This is a fact. 1. And the number one lie from Barack Hussein Obama is the whole AIG bonus situation. He, or his Treasury Secretary have lied about knowing about these bonuses. Tax Cheat Geihtner said that he only knew about these bonuses for 2 weeks. However, after Chris Dodd got caught lying about the legislation authorizing these bonuses, he threw the Tax Cheat Treasury Secretary under the bus and said he was asked to put the legislation authorizing the bonuses in. We now know that Tax Cheat Geihtner knew about these bonuses back in November. So, either Geihtner lied on his own, or he did at the behest of Obama. So you can either make the case that Obama lied to the American people on this, or he is incompetent and doesn't know what his Tax Cheat Treasury Secretary is doing. Either way, it's not good...
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As long as I'm RICH!!!!!
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They're working on an international standard of currency to replace the US dollar. We are so incredibly screwed. America is Dead! Long Live America!
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As usual, you mis-state the reported facts then draw preposterous conclusions from your mis-statements.
Just as DoctorWho pointed out.
Don't you realise everybody here has access to Google and can quickly discover the reported facts for themselves on each of your 10 "points" and see that you're simply repeating silly opinions from right-wing blogs?
Your concept of what is a "lie" and what is a "fact" would embarrass a fourth grader.
Are you really trying to persuade anybody to your point of view? Or are you just determined to behave like a complete tool in public?
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Fair enough. And I applaud you for middling in the end, given your claims to be a middler.As for "tanking" about Brown's eyesight -- yeah, I'll admit I'm an atypical American. But I try. I watch BBC America. I cruise a few Euro websites. And I get paid for none of it. In my opinion, if I happen to fall for a biased outlet then this makes me only slightly less ignorant than a casual Couric or Olbermann viewer (and leagues ahead of a Stewart viewer).
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"My stocks are up"Really? My stocks were doing plenty good before 2007. But you're right. Who cares about the $12k I lost since June of 2007? I made me a whole $500 since election day. My stocks are up too! GO-bama!"I have a great new position"I'm certain you did."got a sub-5% rate on my new home"I got that in either 2003 or 2004 before I finally sold my home in 2007. Thankfully, it was free of capital gains because it sold under $500k. Wonder why, that?"and no terrorist attacks."Oh! You hadn't realized that's been the case for the last 7-years? Welcome aboard the band wagon. We've missed you.
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They might awaken you to the truth, that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al are complicit. Truth has no expiration date, motherfuckers. Bush lied and thousands died. No justice no peace!!!!!!
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If you expect me to feel sorry for you, I don't. You made some poor financial decisions. You need to own up to them and not expect me and my tax dollars to bail you out. But take comfort in knowing you're not alone. Morbidobesity lost a lot in the market too. Unlike the two of you, I bought low, not high. Both in stocks and in real estate. Live and learn.
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I would enjoy reading your debunk to each and every one of Coughlins 10 points. I don't care whether he copied and pasted from "right-wing blogs." Correct is correct and indisputable is indisputable.For example, did Obama say that he would not allow pork in any bill he signed? Is there no pork in the bill? Did he not state that there was no pork in the stimulus bill during his address to the union? Did he sign the bill? And did he put it online for his self-imposed 5-day minimum?Whether or not you agree with the ideology, facts are stubborn things.Yeah, Bush laughably choked on a pretzel. And Obama laughably banged his head on a helicopter. Some things are in such undeniably plain sight that they justify no knee-jerk defense.
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???I urge you to read the nuance in my post again. I'm doing perfectly fine financially. But thanks all the same for taking the time to post your snide comments, even though your guy ran on using the same tax dollars you mention to help out those who are in the situation you wrongly perceived me to be in.It's the folks in your voter demographic like Peggy that want you to pay for their mortgage. As I (clearly) wrote, I no longer have one.http://tinyurl.com/6dm4ac
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"I bought low, not high. Both in stocks and in real estate. Live and learn."You've finally crossed over to conservatism. We've been waiting for you. Welcome.
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"It took a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak."
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... both of fact and interpretation.
I began to debunk each point citing neutral news sources and pointing out the ludicrous interpretations placed on the facts by Coughlins. I quickly reached 500 words, so I stopped.
Coughlins doesn't believe any of these things he just types them out to be annoying.
Nobody here accepts what he says.
So it's a waste of time and electrons to point out the bleeding obvious with detailed citations.
And no, Obama did not say he would not allow pork in any bill he signed, rather he strongly criticized that abuse. The fact is, no president can single-handedly and instantly eliminate the abuse. Particularly when, as now, there is pressingly urgent legislation and congress has exploited the situation by adding some last-minute pork. -
The Congressional Budget Office, whose guidance was apparently followed closely by the Clinton White House to help balance the budget, is now wholly unqualified to forecast such things by the Obama White House.
"We can't accurately predict economic growth over the next 10 years"
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all those things, with the exception of two where the jury is still out. He lied about having lobbyists, he lied about earmarks, he lied about matching funds, he lied about putting legislation online for 5 days. Why don't you try refuting anything I say. You would rather just attack me. I layed it out for you, point by point. You say that nothing I said is true, yet you can't seem to refute one single item I listed. And so what if you saw some of what I wrote on right-wing blogs. Everything I wrote is out ther from the traditional Main Stream Media. Why do you refuse to just concede that he just a typical politician who will say anything to get elected. We have indisputable proof he lied, but all you can do is just attack me instead of facing what I said. I gave you specifics. Why don't you give me some? Do you really expect me to believe you wrote 500 words confronting me but just decided to delete it? I would love to hear your explanations of why he was in the right to lie and break so many promises. I'll wait...
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Mar 25, 2009 2:01:11 PM CDT
Irritable, if every point I made is littered with errors, surley
by coughlins laws
it must be easy for you to refute them. Just one would be nice. Just point out one thing I said was wrong. I'll even accept your little trifle that "no President can eliminate all pork" (even though this one promised to), but he accepted 8,000 pieces of pork!!! Does it sound like he even tried? Maybe if he didn't take so much time off in his first two months, he'd have a leg to stand on...
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The entire government of this country, both Dems and Republicans, decided to go to war in 2002. Whether or not you agree with that decision, it is immaterial to what we're debating right now. Obama lied and broke almost a dozen promises. Why do I have to defend Bush. He is not in power. Obama and the Democrats are. I care about what he's doing right now. You can't go back and change 9/11 or the lead up to the Iraq War. You can, however, point out that Obama is just another lying politician who can't even make it through a press conference without his trusty teleprompter. I fell sorry for you. I wouldn't want to have to defend this guy, either. I don't know how to defend TRILLION DOLLAR DEFECITS for the remainder of his Presidency when he was criticizing Bush for averaging $300 Billion defecits during his two terms. It would drive me crazy to have to defend all the lies and tax cheats he's put in charge in just under 60 days. I feel sorry for you. I just want to point out that you might want to get ahead of the curve so you're not one of the ones who has to be embarrassed in 4 years for admitting you voted for this guy and are going to vote for him again. Sure am glad that people like you made his very first real job his entire life President!!!
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Of course, if you have any proof of any of your crazy allegations, show us.
You can't, and you know it.
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"Obama did not say he would not allow pork in any bill he signed"Here's an article dated 06 JAN 09:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28525113/Are you saying that MSNBC is as reliable as Fox News?The man did promise. He felt so strongly about it that he baldface lied about it during his first address to the nation:http://tinyurl.com/dcwrbbPlease point out to me where I've misinterpreted this."I quickly reached 500 words, so I stopped."It shouldn't take 500 words to debunk anything. Perhaps you were implementing too much subjectivity?"Particularly when, as now, there is pressingly urgent legislation and congress has exploited the situation by adding some last-minute pork."Thank you for admitting that the (currently Democrat led) House is responsible for the nation's purse strings.But is it only the Ho-se that is taking advantage of the current crisis? Consider:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzcbXi1Tkk&NR=1
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