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AICN EXCLUSIVE!! Herc’s Read Issue Three Of The Hinty Prequel/Sequel STAR TREK COUNTDOWN -- And Shares Five Pages!!

I am – Hercules!!
Why is Chris Pike’s Enterprise so much cooler than the one we saw in orbit around Talos IV? Why does Chekov seem to outrank Kirk? Why is Spock’s hair that color? What’s with the tattoo-happy Romulan? Much is explained in the highly nuanced, fast-moving and continuity-embracing four-issue IDW funnybook prequel/sequel “Star Trek: Countdown,” scripted by two guys named Mike Johnson & Tim Jones from a story by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, who wrote the new “Trek” movie that hits cinemas in less than two months. David Messina is handling the artwork, and I must say I loved that that the hologram of James Kirk in issue two looked a lot more like young William Shatner than young Chris Pine. The next five pages:

Ahead? On page 9 we get our first look at a 25th century device likely to play a key role in the coming movie, set in the 23rd century. On page 10 we are introduced to The Forge, one of the galaxy’s best kept secrets. On page 12 we learn that the Romulans have had encounters with an enemy -- an enemy known to every “Trek” fan but unknown to Kirk -- and that the weapon Nero wields in the movie is the fruit of those encounters. On page 13 we discover the 25th century whereabouts of another familiar face. On page 17 Jean-Luc Picard speaks of Cardassians. And on page 22 one of the most iconic characters in all of Trekdom turns up to issue an ultimatum. Issue three of “Star Trek: Countdown” goes on sale Wednesday. Buy it.

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  • March 15, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    really looks interesting

    by IndyAbbey Jones

    i kinda wish i could find a torrent to download it though, kinda straped for cash and can't afford

  • March 15, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Not first

    by jdb1972

    Or am I?

  • March 15, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

  • March 15, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    the first two were pretty good.

    by soup74

    did everyone catch the 'bad robot' guy in issue 2?

  • March 15, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    if its borg, ill be pissed

    by V'Shael

    they are soooo over used.

  • March 15, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Tell me the page 22 appearance is...

    by Johnny Smith

    ...The Sisko, ready to put the smackdown.

  • March 15, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST


    by alice 13

    earnest borg9.

  • March 15, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

  • March 15, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by Sal_Bando


  • March 15, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    This new movie looks so gay

    by Light_Tweaker

    I'm serious, it looks really homosexual. Long live Picard!

  • March 15, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Fuck you haters, this is shaping up to be friggin sweet!

    by DoctorZoidberg

    Long live the Federation! Viva Picard!

  • March 15, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Whatever. Show us the movie already.

    by Mike_D


  • March 15, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Fuck haters. You look gay. Everything Trek rocks. Fuck you.

    by dr sauch

    Also, if Patrick Stewart cameos in this, I'm going to literally squeal at the top of my lungs, right in the theatre.

  • March 15, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Light_Tweaker, I apologize insofar as you are a Picard fan.

    by dr sauch

    But this is going to rock, and you know it.

  • March 15, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Herc, please...

    by Alan_Moore

    ...stop confusing people re. the timeline. The writers of the comic stated on that this story takes place in the 24th century, just a handful of years after Nemesis. Every time you write about this you say it's "decades after Nemesis" or "25th century" and that is not correct.

  • March 15, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Any one who uses the terms gay or homosexual...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    in a derogatory fashion is missing the whole point of Star Trek. <P>This IS a subject to discuss. But is is NOT a subject to argue. You have no justification at all, for perpetrating any form of bigotry while calling yourself a Star Trek fan. <P>You're a fucking disgrace. <P>Actual question posed for discussion and debate: How can a homophobic bigot be fond of a show who's whole point is Infinite Diversity in Infinite combination s.

  • March 15, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    This movie will make more than Avatar


    You know I'm very fucking right.

  • March 15, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Page 6 of issue one

    by Hercules

    Spock identifies Romulus as "my home of the last 40 years." <p>The Spock episodes of TNG were set in 2369, according to the official Star Trek timeline; he said he arrived on Romulus a year earlier, which would be 2368. Add forty years to 2368 and that takes you to 2408. <p> And that, my friend, is the 25th century. <p> Nemesis is set in 2379. 2408 minus 2379 is 29 years. <p>Decades.

  • March 15, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    The third trailer was fantastic

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Best movie of the summer

  • March 15, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Incorrect, Herc...

    by Alan_Moore

    I told you, the writers have said otherwise. I'm not making this up. Anthony Pascale at Trekmovie questioned them on the time issue specifically, and they answered, "Around eight years after Nemesis." Didn't it give you a clue that it had not been decades when you saw Picard looking completely unchanged? The interview can be found here (scroll down to below the pic of Data to read the discussion on when this is set):

  • March 15, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Link may not work...

    by Alan_Moore

    ...if you don't remove spaces, so just go to and click on "Comics" under "Categories" on the right. It'll take you right to the interview with Mike Johnson and Tim Jones.

  • March 15, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Borgy McBorg Borg

    by fiester


  • March 15, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by fiester

    It turns out that Picard is Kirk's real father. Time travel, yo!, time travel.

  • March 15, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Who cares.....

    by Dead_Geek

    ...WATCHMEN is a bomb! Only 14 miliion and Witch mount beats it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • March 15, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST


    by DrLektor

    That was either a typo or can simply be explained away by the fact that he'd been ambassador to Romulus for a lot longer than he'd lived there, no longer feeling he belonged on Vulcan, his occasional visits to the Romulans eventually meant he considered it his "home". You can also run the Stardate given at the start of issue #1 through a geek translator and it'll come out aprox 8 to 10 years after Nemesis' 2379. By your reckoning if the comic was set in 2408, that would put Picard at the grand age of 103 years old. Relativistic space travel aside, he looks good for his age wouldn't you say?

  • March 15, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    nitpick much?

    by Dmann

    so herc or you or someone got a date wrong. wait til you read it to pull it apart.

  • March 15, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Herc, Tim Jones confirmed it's not 25th century

    by Andy Dufresne

    At He states that the comic book takes place about 7 or 8 years after Nemesis. The forty years comment is to infer that Spock was Romulus hopping many years prior to TNG. The Federation were just slow to catc to this. From the author's mouth

  • March 15, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Temper your enthusiasm my friends..Remember...

    by conspiracy

    Orci</p><p>Kurtzman</p><p>The two living definitions of Hollywood script writing mediocrity were in charge of this. These are the men who wrote for Xena Princess Warrior, whom brought you "My Bad" Optimus and "lubricating" Bumblebee...Guys who think tip toeing, jive talking, Giant robots are a laugh riot.</p><p>I'm not saying they don't have at least ONE good least ONE top notch script in them...but I've yet to see evidence of it.</p><p> Prove me wrong Roberto...prove to me you are no script puncher..that there has been an artist buried in that cold blatantly corporate,writing for the lowest common denominator pit you call a soul.

  • March 15, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    @DrLektor Re: Picard's age

    by eXcommunicated

    You would think by the 24th century they would have found ways to mitigate the effects of human aging. I mean, we're already making strides as we speak (google "telomeres").

  • March 15, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST


    by TommyHawk

    You're disturbed.

  • March 15, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    has anyone gone to

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I am probably slow, but I thought that it was cool.

  • March 15, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    Spock on Romulus

    by unkempt_sock

    He was probably living there before the TNG episodes with him on Romulus. So... that gives us some wiggle room.

  • March 15, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    Great screen name by the way lol. My friend I think you may need to lay down the crack pipe and seperate your wants/desires from certain aspects of reality. Now, I love trek..but lets remember something here while that trailer is really damn cool, and I personally believe this will be the most successful trek ever, and I also thin it will help create new fans and change the perception of trek somewhat. That does nt change the fact that trek has always and still does have a huge nerd/dork stigma. Many people (genre and non-genre movie fans alike) still wont touch trek with a 10 foot pole. Also, globally trek is completely unknown in many parts of the world. And treks bo history is way less than impressive. Sorry dude but I dont think you are right at willing to take a gentlemans bet with you, for us to meet back here in December and we will see which one of us gets to say "i told you so"...

  • March 15, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Dr. Dirty D - hypocrite and bigot

    by Jodet

    A phobia is a mental illness involving irrational fear. So when you use the word 'homophobic' you say, 'anyone who doesn't agree right down the line with everything I think is irrational, fearful, and mentally ill'. It is the logical equivalent of saying, 'well, fuck you'. Your level of discussion is sadly low. Try harder in the future.

  • March 15, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    "Why is Chris Pike’s Enterprise so much cooler ..."

    by Geekgasm

    " ... than the one we saw in orbit around Talos IV?" You don't REALLY believe that do you, Herc?

  • March 15, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Nothing is cooler than...

    by GeorgieBoy

    The ORIGINAL TV series Enterprise! (Ok, the TOS movie Enterprise was the best.)<br><br> Trying to make a better Enterprise is like another ALIEN sequel trying to top ALIENS. It'll never be done.

  • March 15, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Darfur, Am I missing something?

    by Marko Ramius

    I just went to, and all I saw were 3 out of four cameras either staticy or looping the same video over and over again. I have no idea what the point of the web-site is.

  • March 15, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    The movie Enterprise was cooler

    by MattmanReturns

    Sorry, the original was cheesy as fuck. You just like it because it's nostalgic. A satellite dish? Cmon. The upgraded version that appeared in the Motion Picture was greatly improved.

  • March 15, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    How much is JJ paying the TalkBack marketeers?

    by gruntybear

    I mean, seriously. Every time there's another "Dawson's Trek" non-story on the site, we get an army of yes-men practically ejaculating about how fricken' a-maaaa-zing this Trek-in-name-only abomination will be. How much does being a viral TalkBack marketeer pay? From the ridiculously over-the-top cheerleading that seems to accompany every Trek story, I would guess it's a fairly lucrative profession.

  • March 15, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Gruntybear...Trekkie Desperation...

    by Bones

    What you are seeing is the desperation that most Trek fans have right now--with this film being the last gasp of the franchise. For them, this film HAS to do well, or there will be no more Trek.<p> What many don't understand (or simply don't care about) is that if this film fails or succeeds, they will never go back to the old universe. You won't get more Picard. No more Sisko, Janeway, Colonel Kira, Worf, Riker--none of it.<p> Paramount only wants to support this new "Vision" of the Trek. So, it better not suck--because that is all anyone is getting.<p> Personally, I expect it to be a high-octane crapfest like The Island or Transformers...or rediculously obtuse like Fringe, (which is one of the most stupid television shows I have ever seen--I mean come on, anyone with any kind of understanding of High School Science finds what they are talking about as embarrassing).<p> At best, it will be like watching kids in a play about Star Trek that they wrote themselves--full of energy, fights and "cool stuff" but not quite getting the nuances right.

  • March 16, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Oh--and to everyone who is excited by the comic...

    by Bones

    The Comic Prequel, which is getting everyone all buzzed--is going to be cooler than the movie, simply because it was written to quell the concerns of fans. It is a band-aid.<p> So, enjoy all the little references to Treks past in the comic--they won't be in the new movie, except for maybe a brief mention here and there.<p> The script reviews, synopses, photographs and leaked information point to a story that is actually pretty silly--more paradoxes than you can shake a stick at--and situations which are in the film for no logical reason other than to have Big Damn Explosions.<p> The effects (not the production design) will look cool. But this film, like Transformers, isn't made for anyone who ever was a fan of the source material, who might have had their first Geek argument over something Trek related when they were a child, who have seen every episode of every show and every film.<p> This is for fans of modern summer blockbusters, and in the end will be about as culturally significant. My AICN name is Bones, has been for over ten years--and I am so called because Dr. Leonard McCoy is my second favorite fictional character, after Han Solo. I love both Star Wars and Star Trek, for completely different reasons--and I think they both do different things well--and should remain different from each other.<p> Maybe I will be wrong. Maybe Orci and Kurtzmann have a good story in there. Maybe Abrams will have knock it out of the park, direction-wise. Maybe the changes won't be completely insulting to 43 years of fandom.<p> I hope so. We'll find out in about six weeks.

  • data died in nemesis. b4 was around, and he was getting at the end of the movie some of datas traits. is it data in these comics /movies or is it b4? <p> cause i was watching the episode times arrow part 1 and 2 the other day and thought it maybe possible that there's a spare head in all of this somewhere.</p> <p> for all you STTNG fans.. this link is hilarious... </p>

  • March 16, 2009, 12:29 a.m. CST


    by Alan_Moore

    It's explained in issue 2 that the Data persona eventually "overrode" the B4 personality.

  • March 16, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST


    by Err


  • March 16, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST


    by Err


  • March 16, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST


    by Boborci

    It better not be a lucrative profession! Nobody pays me to come here under assumed names and praise everything... I do it for free!

  • March 16, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Have the writers of the comic even

    by ominus

    watched star trek tng? <p>because there is a huge mistake in page 5,when the bombs (they are bombs despite if they are used for mining,like dynamite ie) are transported in the federation star ships. <p>the officer who controls the transporter,is always warned by the ships computer if something dangerous is being transported,from weapons to viruses,so he can block the materialization or hold it in a stand doesnt matter if he knows what he is going to transport,the computer will warn him for potential danger.its a measure of safety and its logical if u have a transporter to have this kind of security. <p>this thing has been shown in many star trek episodes,and even has been used as a deus ex machina solution for one episode when the enterprise was on peril. <p> now if the idiots writers of this comic,the new star trek movie,who also happen to be the same writers behind the transformers movies,cant get one technological fact of the star trek universe correct,or they ignore it on purpose in order to develop their story,then how the fuck i am expected to have high hopes for this new star trek reboot/prequel? <p>fuck them.

  • March 16, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    The BORG? Q?? Is my brain going to melt???

    by zillabeast

    But really, how much will this truely play into the JJ-verse post movie? Will this comic awesomeness be forgotten?

  • March 16, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST


    by ominus

    the events of this comic is after the events of the Nemesis movie.8years later i think. <p>the data in this comic,is the real data he got reureected? they imprinted his personality in B4s memory matrix. <p>but again this show how ignorant are the writers of the TNG timeline's technological facts: <p>there are 2 TNG episodes,two episodes which explicitly show that it is impossible for the time being to recreate or transfer datas memory/nerve/brain matrix. <p>now someone could say that at the comics time,the federation scientists managed to make it possible to recreate datas unique nerve system.but if thats the case,the comic writers dont mention it or explain it further.moreover if the scientists managed somehting like that,then what stops them from creating thousands of Datas? <p>i repeat again,they have been at least 2 tng episodes about this specific theme,data's replication of his nerve structure,explaining also why data is so unique in the star trek universe,and there havent been created more androids by the federation. <p>but the idiots writers dont know even that.idiots.

  • March 16, 2009, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Herc, Countdown isn't 40 years post-Nemesis

    by TallBoy66

    I saw you post that the last two articles but, from how the comic writers said on Trekmovie, they said that Spock was on Romulus for 20 years, then the TNG "Unification" two-parter happens, then 20 years later (10 years to Nemesis, 10 years from Nemesis to Countdown) Countdown happens. So, yeah, it's not too Post-Next-Next Gen, only about 10 years since Shinzon took over Romulus. And then it got blown up. I didn't see that one coming.

  • March 16, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    I actually really dont care what they do with continuity

    by southafricanguy

    , i think it has painted trek into a corner. I want them to fuck around with old continuity, change things, suprise us (like marvels ultimate line). And if you want the old continuity you have 10 movies and 5 tv shows dedicated to it..many hours of that continuity to watch. Its time for something different..

  • March 16, 2009, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Fuck the past

    by ominus

    star trek was always about the future.that was rodenberys vision. <p>but a greedy studio like paramount,they only want money,more and more money,so what they do istead of moving star trek to its next evolution step? <p>they play it safe,by using past icons in order to resurrect their dead movies/tvseries they can make more money. <p>fuck this reboot,fuck abrams,fuck the writers,fuck paramount and fuck holywood.thank god there are still great scifi shows and creators in other places too.

  • March 16, 2009, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Here's all the Trek I'm watching for the next 2 months

    by TallBoy66

    A whole bunch of episodes and all movies in (vaguely organized by story-related chronological) order. Example: since the TOS / DS9 tribble episodes are companion eps, I'd watch them back to back. About 1 episode, or half a movie a day, leads up the movie in May. Right now I'm up to the ENT/TOS Tholian Web/Mirror Universe eps. Aside from watching episodes that lead into the movies (Space Seed, Best of Both Worlds) I'm also slightly focusing on Spock eps/ Alternate Universe / Time Travel storylines because that's what JJ Trek's universe is. Most eps I watch are TOS and work my way down there: (TOS) The Menagerie Part I & 2, Balance of Terror, The Squire of Gothos, Space Seed, The City on the Edge of Forever, Metamorphosis, Amok Time, The Doomsday Machine, The Trouble With Tribbles, (DS9) Trials and Tribble-ations, (TOS) Journey to Babel, The Ultimate Computer, Spock's Brain, The Tholian Web (ENT) In A Mirror, Darkly Part 1 & 2 (TOS) Mirror, Mirror,.(TAS) Yesteryear, TOS Movies 1-6, (VOY) Flashback, (TNG) Encouter at Farpoint Part 1 & 2, Yesterday's Enterprise, The Best of Both Worlds Part 1 & 2, Unification Part 1 & 2, Parallels, All Good Things Part 1 & 2, Generations, (DS9) Crossover, The Visitor, Little Green Men, (TNG) First Contact, (ENT) Regeneration, (VOY) Year of Hell Part 1 & 2, Message in a Bottle, (DS9) In Pale Moonlight, (TNG) Insurrection (VOY) Bride of Chaotica! (DS9) Take Me Out to the Holosuite, (TNG) Nemesis. Now THAT, my friends, is some solid Treking to lead into the new/old/alternate universe movie. Oh, and I gots to re-read Countdown too after it's all done. You want some good / fun eps to watch, try some of those.

  • March 16, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Last year I watched all of Trek up till DS9

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I started with Enterprise, the original series, the animated, the movies, and then TNG.

  • March 16, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I can't watch Every Episode Ever

    by TallBoy66

    Hell, I'd say I've seen a significant chunk of all Trek eps at least once, so I'm just picking and chosing (plus all the flicks), and focusing on the time travel/alternate universe episodes. Our own AICN talkbacker Boborci said in a Trekmovie interview that TNG's Parallels is a good episode as an example for this movie. Hey, as long as there's an Alternate Universe Plot Escape Hatch to explain away all the inconsistencies, bring it on. It's a new type of movie - a sequel, prequel, remake, reboot. A seprebootmake!!!!

  • March 16, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST


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  • March 16, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    DS9 and VOY are too recent in my mind

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I didn't see a lot of Ent until it hit DVD, so, that was fun. The animated were fun!

  • March 16, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Is the comic series out in the UK yet?

    by Brody77

    Cos I haven't heard jack shit.

  • March 16, 2009, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Ominus is dead on

    by mothandrust

    I'm only a casual Trek fan, but those two points you mentioned stood out for me too. Cheap ignorant plot work arounds that completely undo some very fundamental trek tech. I'm gonna have to ignore them to keep the excitement I've built up for seeing some fresh Kirk and Spock! I mean really, this is gonna be fun. Hopefully one day someone will go with the 'current' Trek timeline, but until then I'm stoked to catch up on some early Kirk.

  • March 16, 2009, 4:36 a.m. CST

    When you push a Romulan too far,

    by Dingbatty

    he or she time travels back to the 1990's Earth to get tribal tattoos.

  • March 16, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST


    by DrLektor

    What we saw in Nemesis was as simple as it gets. All Data did was copy his memories to B4 in the hope it would give the guy a leg up, so to speak. By the end of the movie we're shown that it might take some time but B4 has the capacity to remember stuff ie the song he sings. So "Data" has been taken back to day one, no emotion chip. Is it so hard to imagine that in those 8 years he went back to Starfleet, remembered more and eventually rejoined the Enterprise. He rose up the ranks until Picard gave him command. 8 years would be well within the timeframe for entire series of a Trek show. At the end of it all he took the name Data in honour of his brother and his legacy.

  • March 16, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Dr. Manhattan is Kirk's Real Father!!!!!

    by victor82

    Jesus, with a CGI manhood like that, you don't think that George Kirk, who got his ship shot out from under him, would be the father of the great Tiberius. I vote Dr. Manhattan!!!

  • March 16, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST


    by ominus

    read the first issue of the by himself says that the federation imprinted his memories inside b4s memory system,after his death.b4 didnt evovle into datas personality in any way. <p>thus what u suppose that has happened isnt the case.

  • March 16, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Re : ominus

    by Real Deal

    Ominus It's " Roddenberry " not rodenbery! One thing I've learned in my 43 years of watching Star Trek is that timelines and " Facts " aren't as set in stone as people think. There are plenty of times in it's history that they've fudged a bit on their facts. Trying to tie something down like this and crying foul is kind of premature and silly. The story will unfold when the movie is released and we will see what really happened. I for one am very much looking forward to it and to see what changes have been made. Since I suspect none of this TNG stuff is even in the movie ( although it would be nice if it was )when discussing the movie it's really kind of a moot point.

  • March 16, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I really like how they are developing Nero

    by southafricanguy

    giving him a fairly interesting backstory and motivation. Also like the events happening in the post nemesis universe. Nero could end up being the next Khan. NEERROOOOOOOO!

  • March 16, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I really like how they are developing Nero

    by southafricanguy

    giving him a fairly interesting backstory and motivation. Also like the events happening in the post nemesis universe. Nero could end up being the next Khan. NEERROOOOOOOO!

  • March 16, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    OOPS, sorry for the double post guys...

    by southafricanguy

  • March 16, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Does anyone who has read the comic know what

    by southafricanguy

    the forge is, and who the enemy is that the Romulans have encountered before, but Kirk has not? I have no way of getting this in Korea where I live, so could someone please spill the beans? (my money's on the Borg..)

  • March 16, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    So now that Romulus is blown up...

    by Kid Z

    ...are the Romulans going to perfect the art of shapeshifting and try to take over Earth by imitating and infiltrating its superhero population?

  • March 16, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST


    by DrLektor

    I've read the first issue, Data doesn't mention anything of the sort, I take it you mean the second issue, where after Spock comments on his "resurrection" Data replies "A more apt description would be a simple 'return,' donoting the fact that my neural nets were successfully imprinted onto B-4's existing programming." case in point, the process he tried in Nememsis took time to work. Nothing about the Federation doing anything to B-4. Besides, why would they have "imprinted his memories inside b4s memory system,after his death" when that's exactly what Data did during Nemesis? Lastly you mentioned "b4 didnt evovle into datas personality in any way." I never said he did. All I said was that over Time, B-4 accessed more and more of Data's memory engrams until he had them all. He's still B-4 personality wise, he simply took the name of Data in honour of his bro.

  • March 16, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    how come these comics cost $10-$20 on amazon?

    by smudgewhat

    is that what the kids are paying for comics these days?? i have 35 cents. what can i get?

  • March 16, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I think B4's personality is gone

    by TallBoy66

    Nemesis end implied that Data was in B4's head. So I'm assuming Data's personality wiped out B4. How&why will wait for another comic series, not this one.

  • March 16, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Ominus - Transporters

    by OneBuckFilms

    First, those things can be beamed aboard, because they are not being transferred to the other ship's Transporter system, and the other vessel's shields are down.

  • March 16, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    smudgewhat - Comic Price

    by OneBuckFilms

    First 2 issues were sold out quickly, so some people might be inflating the price. I know that the collection of all 4 in one book is about $12.

  • March 16, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Comic book nerds unite

    by EverythingEverywhereStinks

    You do realize that the only references to all the pre-Jar Jar Abrams Star Trek material is in these comics, right? None of this fanboy comic book crap is in the new movie. The movie is a total reimagining of Star Trek (or as a Hollywood douche bag frat boy once said, "This isn't your daddy's Star Trek.") Only this desperate marketing that's catering to the Fat Trek Army of Greasy Men is still suggesting (rather feebly I might add) that Jar Jar's movie fits with everything that preceded it.

  • March 16, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Ominus... another disturbed fanboy...

    by TommyHawk

    ..who pretends to know what Roddenberry wanted and will use it to try to justify their opinion.<br><br>Shall I or someone else post up the now circulated quotes that were uncovered from him where he discusses doing a prequel of the original series? Or how he would love to see someone come along in 20 years (from 1982) with a new Kirk and a new Spock "saying tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generation?"<br><br>And you are only figuring out NOW that Paramount is in it for the money? Yeesh!

  • March 16, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Returns will worsen upon repeat viewings...

    by BLEST

    Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

  • March 16, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Kid Z--

    by Bones

  • March 16, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Kid Z-- (let's try that again)

    by Bones

    Nice Skrull reference there, Boyyo.

  • March 16, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    "Star Trek Returns"

    by Bones

    Blest, do you mind if we start calling it that? I think it sums it up nicely...

  • March 16, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    thanks onebuck.

    by smudgewhat

    i'd be willing to buy all 4 issues for that price. i'll do some digging.

  • March 16, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    This may or may not turn out to be "Star Trek Returns"

    by Alan_Moore

    But I'm a longtime fan who's willing to give it a fair chance. I think the alternate timeline is really all they could've done, assuming they wanted to go back to Kirk & Spock (which is smart). Trying to make a new franchise fit within old canon would've been a tight squeeze, and at least this way what has come before isn't being erased. The trailers look great, Leonard Nimoy believes in it, and there are indications everywhere that Trek might have it's biggest hit in many years. Give me this over more Berman-era pablum any day!

  • March 16, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST


    by BLEST

    You may. I coined the phrase after the first teaser, and have gotten slammed for it by fans in a few recent TB's.<p>I'm excited for it, and I'll be there opening weekend. I won't lie about that.<p>But my feeling is that it will end up alot like Superman Returns:<p>New flashy effects, costumes, sets. New young, hip cast. One actor who looks a dead ringer for an older actor. (sylar=routh)One older actor added to the "reboot" to give continuity/legitimacy to it. (nimoy=brando)<p>I hope it's good, but for now I'm calling it Star Trek Returns.<p>And others are welcome to it, just remember that I coined it. ;)

  • March 16, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    page 22 should be....

    by sonnyhooper

    a shot of the bajor worm-hole opening, with the caption "i am the sisko........ i have returned." cut to close up of ben sisko : "and i will lay my pimp hand DOWN!!!"

  • March 16, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST


    by Bones

    They could have gone forward in time rather than back. There are enough Star Trek fans and JJ Abrams fans that it would have piqued interest, they could have constructed any number of reasons that the universe was dangerous and a time of High Adventure--and could ahve the same cast with different names. And they wouldn't have to double check their facts, they could have gone anyway they wanted.<p> But, No.<p> We get "Star Trek Returns" (Thanks Blest)instead. I am keeping my expectations really low--that way I can only be surprised if it is good. Of course, I did that with Transformers--and it sucked worse than I thought possible.

  • March 17, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST


    by Alan_Moore

    I appreciate your viewpoint, and maybe a talented enough team could've made an all new Trek work, but I personally am glad they're going with Kirk, Spock & McCoy. It would be nice to think those incredible characters aren't going to die off with the actors who originally played them. Rodenberry didn't feel they should either.

  • March 18, 2009, 3:27 a.m. CST


    by Bones

    I guess I just don't see the need to tell more Kirk, Spock and McCoy stories, since their lives were already charted, except for a few years in the first five-year mission and then in the second five-year mission.<p> I honestly never cared how they first met--and we are not even getting that story, there will never be a definitave first meeting story for the original crew--since they had to completely destroy the old universe and build something new in order to facilitate it.<p> It strikes me as being an ironically lazy thing to do. It is understandable to want to have more adventures with your favorite characters, but they are changing so much it is not like you are getting those characters anyway.<p> At what point do you change so much that it stops being what you set out to retell in the first place?<p> Better a new show, with a new crew, in a new time. Or simply make something new entirely that suggests Star Trek and has a different name--then there would be truth in advertising...

  • March 18, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    While I hate the fact that they've gone back in time, the fact that its not something the kirk lovers want and an altered time gives me hope it'll be decent... they dropped next gen like a bad habit and I would have preferred they give them proper closure which they kinda did. It still felt like there was more to for transformers, I thought it would b awesome and it exceeded my expectations, then again I knew it would b different than the original

  • March 19, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Hmm so just read it for real

    by zillabeast

    Loved every page. If only this could be it's own movie.