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Pics from Tim Burton's ALICE IN WONDERLAND appear online!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a little update on ALICE IN WONDERLAND courtesy of the efforts of the good fellows over at Badtaste.it who snagged some images of Burton's upcoming ALICE IN WONDERLAND, including a look at his Alice and a shot of the Mad Hatter's tea party.
Looks... Burtony, but then again I think his sensibilities are a perfect match for this material. I always found ALICE IN WONDERLAND to be incredibly fucking twisted.
Be sure to click on the above art to see the two stills from the flick, which look to come from some kind of advertising brochure. What do you folks think?
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No matter how well Mr. Burton does with this version, it will be a wasted opportunity when he could've run with a version of American McGee's 'Alice'...
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...but ultimately, it will play out like a live-action cross between Disney's 'Alice In Winderland' and his own 'Nightmare Before Christmas'.And to think we could've had Boojums...
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I am a big Burton fan and love his movies except for the intros (except for Batman thats classic). Even before I saw Charlie, for the intro I predicted the camera going on a chocolate flowing journey with Elfmanish Rhee!-rhee!-rhee!-rhee!... music playing. Similar for Sweeny.
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I have come to that conclusion considering message boards/forums seem to slow down to a crawl around this time, even though its still early yet over there.
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Mar 13, 2009 12:41:03 AM CDT
Hope this intro/opening is NOT like this...........
by gibsonusa returns
Modified Sweeny Todd music plays...credits roll
Camera flying around the world of Wonderland, sometimes abstractly. Items float past, camera soars through through the hedge mazes, checkerboard floors of the castle, glimpses of the chesire cat and his floating eyes, camera soaring over the long tea table like a 1st person runway and taking off....title screen....
Camera then flies through the rabbit hole and right to the tree where Alice is sitting. Movie begins.
Because that is the super generic opening I am expecting, PLEASE DONT BE LIKE THIS LOL. More creative intro, or none at all. -
Those pics don't really reveal much, but they look like pretty standard Alice in Wonderland stuff to me. Nothing really new there. I don't really see how Burton can add anything that wasn't already covered by the most recent tv miniseries. This particular well is dry. Go turn some other book into a movie.
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. . . even Dungeons & Dragons has done a version of Alice in Wonderland (the very fun Dungeonland and The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror modules, for the D&D geeks out there.). Wonderland...has...been...done... Move along...
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looks like a man
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He's perfect for this because what already exists is most likely one of his biggest influences...sadly, there is little he can add to this. I'm sure it will be visually awesome, but just nothing spectacular.
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it's an exclusive sold in Barnes and Noble and promotes the new Comic-Con'ish event in September thats all Disney oriented apparently.
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she'll be a good alice i think.
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...and your problem with a big screen version done like that would be?
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fucking asshole, raped Planet of the Apes.
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This movie is the most exciting thing coming out this year. Tim Burton is my favorite thing to watch baked. He gives great eyeballingus.
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Through the Looking Glass, than it is Alice's Adventures in Wonderland?
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Appears somewhat like the Rackham illustrated Alice.
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Not much to get excited by in these images, but really looking forward to Tim's Alice movie.
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Thats all I need to knoe, I'm in.
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I'm in (err) EDIT FUNCTION PLEASE!
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Color me excited. (pun intended)
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Has he even seen his recent movies?
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Mar 13, 2009 2:04:21 AM CDT
Where's the talkbacker with the 623846236 word essay?
by gibsonusa returns
theres 1 in every talkback chat
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you just know burton is going to shoehorn his wife's flabby oiled cleavage in somehow
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an old corporate hack trading on his earlier Goth image. A fake, with not a transgressive bone in his body; under his black lipstick: just a smarmy suburban schtick. Dreary work. Beetlejuice? Great until he makes everything disgustingly happy and nice at the end. The movie belongs to Gina davis and Alec Baldwin, not the freaks. The Nightmare Before Christmas (not his, really) the darling movie of Disney kids who want to pretend that they are weird (disfigured by shitty music and bad singing). Big Fish (more slime) Chalie and the Chocolate Factory (garbage - The Wilder version is FAR creepier). Batman (ahem).
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What directors are 'perfect' for is EXACTLY what they should avoid. Cloying boring habits of mind make BAD boring films. That's why Gilliam hasn't raped Gormanghast yet. Because he's smart.
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Mar 13, 2009 2:26:28 AM CDT
SWEENEY TODD WAS BURTONS FIRST GOOD FILM SINCE ED WOOD
by 1978creepythinman
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before I get excited. How come when anything nowadays has any style or substance, it always feels like there's this sheen of cleanliness on it. Perhaps its the digital quality of things. These images just look too 'clean' to me.
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I don't want a 'dark' Alice. I don't want a complete re-invention of the book or McGee's horror story. The work is strong enough, intelligent enough and imaginative enough to not have someone else feel they can 'improve' it by doing 'their' version. From the stills it looks like Tim Burton is staying faithful to the source, apart from a slightly maturer Alice; and Kate Beckinsale did fine as an adult Alice in Through the Looking Glass. I have strong hopes for this, and I do get an Arthur Rackham vibe from some of it.
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"I don't know what to relate it to." Uh, how about Jan Švankmajer's Alice in Wonderland movie (called "Alice"), which was EXACTLY THAT! You'd be hard pressed to go any darker than THAT.
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they are going to have a bunch of kids in the mad hatter scenes kids with the mad hatter? burton is a nut
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Maybe one day Burton can make a film that doesn't look and feel 100% fake. I could go on and on, but when I see a movie, even a FANTASY movie, I want to be able to escape into it, and with his movies, they never have the right tone to set the proper mood to suck me in. I think it's his overuse of sound stages, crappy lighting, shoddy directing, etc. But his movies always seem "hollow" and empty, and I don't mean Sleepy Hollow. Stephen King has the same effect on me too. In his books and even in his film adaptations. The guy has NEVER and I mean NEVER EVER scared me. Sure he can paint a quasi-creepy picture with words, but scary? NOT EVEN!
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Looks pretty much standard Alice in Wonderland-esque, which is fine. I would prefer it if Burton could tell a story first and let style support that instead of vice-versa, as his past works have been very hit-or-miss for me, some I love, some I feel nothing for. But it's not too hard to go with what we in the modern world see as Wonderland-styling and call it twisted, that's our take on it anyway thanks to Disney and other resources on the material. I hope it will be enjoyable, faithful, interesting, and edgy. I'm not expecting my eyeballs to be fucked, just someone for god's sake do this right with a budget and no fear of making a movie that kids can watch but isn't made specifically for them. Kids aren't dumb, they don't need to be talked down to, and they don't need to be pandered at. Rant over.
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and I have to say, it's aged quite gracefully. it's beautiful in how much it makes sense and how easily the messages and undertones are conveyed, yet it's completely off-the-wall. you could watch it as a child and see nothing more than an energetic, colorful cartoon. but as an adult ( especially when you consider the era in which it was released), the commentary on society, depression, class, race, religion, and of course recreational drug/alcohol use, really stand out. definitely something that never needs to be remade. ever. it really is magic.
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As in they both make accessible yet edgy entertainment. Seriously, what’s with all the hate against Tim Burton? His version of Batman remains far superior to Nolan’s and Big Fish is what Amelie should have been.
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I don't know what this is, but it has girls in bikinis if that advert is to be believed. I wanna talkback for that!!!
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I used to be a big fan of Burton, but after the awful Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, I have little faith in him to make this film. I think it'll be over-sylised naffness. But I'd love to be proved wrong as I love the Alice books. I do get a bit fed up with people going on about how dark they are though. They're just children's books with loads of strange things happening - you get that sort of thing in lots of children's books. Lewis Carrol wasn't high on some sort of crazy narcotics, he just had a good imagination.
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Still using a bastardized version of my name I see. BTW, I thought it was common knowledge that Carrol had health problems his whole life and Victorian medicine was basically fish oil or opium. I think it's safe to say Carrol's imagination had some help.
As for the pics. I've been done with Burton since Sleepy Hollow. Good ideas aside, its just the movie that made me tired of his style. I did however fucking adore Big Fish and I wish he would do more films like that. Alice is looking like another Sleepy Hollow, so unless the trailer floors me, count me out. -
after this can we PLEASE have Dinosaurs Attack! Mr. Burton?
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Has he demanded a private jet to fly his pets to the set again?
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I really despised Burton for making Willy Wonka have a side story where he is estranged from his father. To me, that was the cherry on top of the problems I had with that film. I have faith in Tim with this one, it fits his style. I also thought that about Charlie and the chocolate factory, which disappointed me greatly.
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I thought she was supposed to like 12 or something. Not this fuck-able blonde.
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not 12.
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has the mad hatter sitting at the head of the table. There is a link on that page to the highly circulated picture of Depp SUPPOSEDLY as the mad hatter in this movie. The two don't look anything like eachother, however. Which one is right? Or are we being duped on both?
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I'm not supposed to want to bend Alice over the tea table...
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Edward Scissorhands is basically Frankenstein- this guy made ONE original movie- the wildly overrated Big Fish. The real minds behind Nightmare Before Christmas were Selick and Elfman- and for all of Burton's supposed visual mastery- it's all cribbed off of Edward Gorey. Sick of this guy. The only guy who could take Ricci, Depp, and Walken and fuck up something as simplistically awesome as Sleepy Hollow. I tried watching that movie three times and nodded off each time. He also - more than the Pirates movies- made me sick of Depp. They should just marry each other. BTW- there's nothing wrong with Helena's oiled cleavage- it's the best effect in all Burtondom...
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It's all been downhill since Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. Search your feelings, you know this to be true...
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Yum...
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Yeah, taking an established classic, making it moody and gothic (or more so in the case of Sleepy Hollow) and having Johnny Depp in it. You're really breaking ground as far as your career is concerned, tim. And no, im not a tim burton/Johnny Depp hater, Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow, even mars attacks and his batman flicks especially batman returns are movies I really like. At least Big Fish looked different and was a good movie of his. Although now everytime I think of Big Fish Doctor Manhattan's Big Fish comes to mind cuz Billy Crudup is in Big Fish, muhahahahah.
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First Planet of the Apes, then Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and now Alice. Not to mention that this 'dark' and 'twisted' Alice version has alredy been done by American McGee 10 years ago. Anyone out there who hasn't played the game I highly recomend it.
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Mar 13, 2009 8:54:43 AM CDT
Don't Worry, Tim - I Can Relate It to Something, All Right
by thusspakespymunk
Mix of live-action and animation? Ditorted? Check and double check.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095715/
PLLLLAAAGGAAAARRISSSSMMOOOOOOOOO! -
Vera you dinghyyyy!!!!
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He's like the Medusa of Poop
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I've never thought Alice in Wonderland had much of a story. It's more a series of strange events - then she wakes up.
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"Burtony" has become a put-down for 'Tard Nation. Maybe he should write an open letter proclaiming his "ballsiness" and remind us They won't allow any artistically challenging movies to be made unless he's number one at the Box Office. Hope he's put the Chesire Cat in a rubber muscle suit, because, all of a sudden, that's cool again. (And, after all, he is the originator of the rubber muscle suit!)
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The guy is a total hack job that throws his name on any old shit. Alice was an average game at best.
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creepy ass rabbit
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I was subjected to his PLANET OF THE APES on an overseas flight (the only film on at the time - there was no escaping it) and it was awful compared to the originals. Given how the actress here looks like she's at least in her late 30s, I don't hold out any hope his ALICE will be any better, more's the pity.
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Would be more interesting, but I guess that's basically what Inland Empire was.
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Goonies never say die!!!
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Wow Tim Burton. What a bold choice to direct AIW. This movie has derivitive written all over it. Now if Paul Verhoven was involved, I might be intrigued.
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Here...well...she kinda looks old, and a bit unattractive.
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I can ALMOST agree with the love that's out there for Disney's version, except that it's too short. It's one of those literature-to-movie adaptations where even people who never read the book can just FEEL that important bits were cut out. Lots of Disney's movies from that era have that same feel to them, like they're missing an entire act or something. Probably just a function of how much work is required for a traditional, hand-painted cell-animation feature film. The pressure to keep it short just to get the sucker "in the can" must have been enormous.
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An extremely overrated director.
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i'm getting Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sleep Hollow vibes from this which means it'll be shit. i really hope my instinct is wrong as i loved Ed Wood and Edward Scissorhands. We shall see...
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Alice is deliberately older than she should be. The actress is 18 or something, and looks it. So that would sugget it's a sequel maybe. I trust Burton with this material. The cast sounds so right as well. Apes is his only real misstep. Yes there have been a few average ones, but Apes is the one bad flick he's made.
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Burton isn't leaving enough for the audiences imagination with these adaptions/remakes/reimaginings. That's what made the originals so great. Rob Zombie is guilty of the same fucking thing.
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I totally agree that Wonderland isn't really great source material for a feature film, precisely because of how the story is paced, since there's almost no connection between Alice's various encounters which can tie it all together. That structure is what makes it such a great bedtime story book. A parent can read each section to their kid over a series of evenings and the kid won't get lost just because they forgot what happened in chapter one. It's more like a series of short stories. The best way to translate Wonderland into moving pictures would be to make a whole bunch of 10 or 15 minutes shorts and market them on DVD, muchlike Tartakovsky's Clone Wars cartoon. Wonderland's structure also makes it great source material for games. I still say Dungeonland and The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror were Gary Gygax's best two AD&D modules. I've never played American McGee's game, but I've always wanted to. Maybe I'll get a used copy off eBay!
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Look it up. Fascinating movie about the real girl who inspired Alice. Told as a flashback when she's an old woman going to New York for some sort of award for Lewis Caroll. Quite the interesting movie.
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Mar 13, 2009 10:46:47 AM CDT
Burton's tendency to show too much and hide too little.
by royston lodge
I totally agree that Burton is certainly guilty of "George Lucas" syndrome -- putting too much up there on the screen, visually, just because he can. It's a constant flaw of his weaker films. Sleepy Hollow would have been so much better if the origin of the horseman had never really been revealed, and the witch had never really been exposed. The creepiness factor would have really been increased if Ichabod, with his deep faith in science and reason, had simply come away from the experience unable to rationally explain what the heck was going on. (It also would have left room for a sequel, but I digress). Mars Attacks had the same problem in that it showed way too much, way too early. The big reveal of what the aliens looked like should have come way later in the movie. Ditto for Corpse Bride, where the plot was way too transparent right from the get-go.
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Mar 13, 2009 10:52:07 AM CDT
On the other hand, in defence of Planet of the Apes...
by royston lodge
Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate for the Planet of the Apes haters out there, but I think I'm one of the few who thought he did a really decent job on that flick. True, it was a mistake to put Marky Mark in the lead role, but apart from that I thought it was a fun reimagining of the premise. Plus, I think Burton's "twist ending" works way better than the one from the original movie precisely because it's bizarre and, more importantly, completely unexplained. It leaves more questions than answers. Any director trying to make a Planet of the Apes movie is pretty well forced to veer pretty far from the original book. I don't really see how you could faithfully adapt the novel into a decent movie. The book's version of the "twist ending" would be really hokey on the big screen. Any viewer would realize from the first scene that there's OBVIOUSLY something fishy going on, since the only way to film it would be to hide the characters from the introduction under space suits, or something like that, which would instantly make the audience really suspicious. It would be as if The Sixth Sense revealed in the first scene that "something" is "not quite right" about Bruce Willis' character, instantly hinting that there'll be a "big reveal" later on. Of course, Burton realized that every audience would be expecting a twist ending of some sort, and would be speculating about what it would be. Would he use the original movie's twist, or would he try to use the one from the book? He did the smart thing and came up with a completely new twist, and he refused to ruin it by explaining it away or resolving Marky Mark's enasuing predicament. I thought that was a really effective way to end the movie.
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Tell 'em Large Marge sent ya'.
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Creepiest rendition of the Mad Hatter ever - 'you're getting old, Alice...' - Henson studios doing amazing work as always. Miss those guys. Ever since Farscape went down, we've been sorely missing some Henson creatures.
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Because the only thing of Burton's I didn't care for was Corpse Bride (in spite of the sensational animation. Beetlejuice is a classic. Big Fish was pretty good, but it's my least favorite of his films. I thought that his Planet of the Apes and especially Charile and the Chocolate Factory were lightyears bettern that the original films. The Heston Planet of the Apes is dull and did not age well at all. I think Gene Wilder is perfect as Willy Wonka, but the movie is terrible. You all might love it from childhood, but the film just does not hold up at all. On the other hand, Burton's version are bold and spectacular. Depp was incredible as Willy Wonka. I think Batman is still an amazing film. I think there is room for that movie and Batman Begins, because they are completely different takes on the material, but both work on their own terms superbly. I even grew to love Batman Begins. I loved Sleepy Hollow and I Sweeny Todd was shockingly effective and affecting. I just don't get the Burton hate. I agree that you can spot his style a mile away, but he seems to adapt it to whatever material he works with incredibly well and I never feel like his touch is disconnecting me from the material. You guys are freaking rough on this guy. He's right up there with Gilliam in my book.
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I even grew to love Batman Returns. stupid fucking asshole, learn to proofread you shit before you post it...
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Thanks for the mention of "Dreamchild"! It's an absolutely incredible movie written by the late Dennis Potter and it has some of Jim Henson Studios' finest animatronic work. I believe Universal Studios still owns it, so write an e-mail to the Criterion Collection suggesting that they acquire it!
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every single film. The black and white stripey stockings from The Wicked Witch of The East in Wizard of Oz, the Cure look for everybody from Edward Scissorhands to Sweeney Todd, the whole "evil carnival" vibe, blah, blah, blah. It was fresh throughout Beetlejuice, BatmanI, Batman II, but it just got old through Sleepy Hollow, etc. This just looks like more of the same from him. And yeah, Alice is too old...
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Disney verified that that Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter pic was real, but he apparently will have some CGI interlaced with him on his face or costume they said at Wondercon.
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This is all over the web you fucking amateurs. It's from the new Disney magazine..which granted is nothing but..but jesus...do you check any fucking information before posting it?
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PeeWee,Bjuice and Batman were all classics. Most of his other movies have been good to excel. Planet of apes was campy like the original. I think that was planned . It was visually stunning unlike the original. It was not perfect, but neither was the original. A lot of you slam great directors daily. Some of who were once your gods. What director has not slipped up and made a bomb? Who in the hell is a great director in your eyes.
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I was really sad when the Wes Craven Alice project fell through. It was going to be based on the McGee video game and star Natlaie Portman as Alice. That would've rocked, but I'm sure this one will be great too.
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I actually thought his apes was decent. Oh, and for everybody im looking forward to what burton's idea of The Cheshire Cat is like. But if it has a smile accentuated by scars im gonna yell out "why so derivative?!" Uh-oh, I think I gave away what Cheshire is supposed to look like. Talk bout letting the "cat" out of the bag, muhahahah
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Mar 13, 2009 1:40:35 PM CDT
This project is just too obviously "Burton" for me.
by the reluctant austinite
Don't get me wrong. I love Tim Burton, but I like his work best when he surprises me with his take on the material. Honestly, I'd rather see him create something new than deliver his take on "Alice in Wonderland," which could have been a Burton tale to begin with! I had the same issue with "Willie Wonka." It was obvious what that was going to look like and how it was going to feel. "Alice in Wonderland" has been tripped out and visualized in a Burton-esque way so many times already that an actual Burton film isn't going to surprise or trip out anyone. I hope I'm wrong, of course.
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repeatedly.
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Alice has always been about drugs, not goth or gore. If anything, it ought to look freaking Magical Mystery Tour instead of Sweeny Todd
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If you prefer your Alices a little older, that is.
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Mar 13, 2009 4:25:04 PM CDT
Let me guess...THEY ALL WEAR BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by crackerfarmboy
Starring Helena Bonham Carter and Johnny Depp. Just keep making the same fucking movie...
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Mar 13, 2009 4:25:22 PM CDT
I like the Alic in Wonderland scene in Where the Truth Lies
by jarjarmessiah
HOT!
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notha level, for this to be really worth it. Otherwise, how many times do we need to see the same stories--we need original works and don't tell me they're not out there.
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"His version of Batman remains far superior to Nolan’s and Big Fish is what Amelie should have been."I do not agree with either of those statements. Judging from this, you and I would probably hate each other if we knew one another.
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ROBIN HOOD MOVIE!
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Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass were two of my favorite books growing up. Now this. Balls.
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Oh and I agree. WE NEED BOOJUMS!
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another hit to the head.
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right.
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Burton's Batman was a HUGE corporate event, with vast amounts of pre-merchandising. Kids shaving logos into their heads. Everyone talking about Nicholson's vast fee. The horrible soundtrack contributions by a declining Prince. People complaining about Keaton's casting. It opened to very mixed reviews and many people at the time were disappointed. Many kids found it impenetrable, grim and boring but bought the yellow bat stuff because it was the thing to have that year. I was 13, the absolute target market, and I felt no inclination to rush to see it, or much enthusiasm when I eventually did. It was a triumph of marketing over content. And now it's remembered as some sort of a classic film, sanctified by a succession of horrible sequels.
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was Paramount's star-filled B&W version. It was a huge flop when it came out (as all filmed versions of Alice have been)but it used to play on TV at least once a year before all B&W films were casually swept aside in the 70's because TV execs thought kids wouldn't like something that wasn't in color. (It probably would have had a longer life if it had been in color, but the Blackand White photography gives the whole thing a real twisted David Lynch feel to it- I'll bet D.L. sites this movie as an influence. The version available on video is not the full movie though, it's been edited a lot of times (I doubt if Paramount still has the negative)and I doubt if the full version will ever be seen. The special effects are great for a 1930s film (and the Walrus and the Carpenter sequence was animated by Max Fleischer's studio!) Second best version has to be Disney's, completely different in tone although still a failure at the box office.
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