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David Hayter has a letter for you about WATCHMEN!

Published at: March 12, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

AN OPEN LETTER FROM A WATCHMEN SCREENWRITER So it has been five months since I saw my first rough cut of WATCHMEN, and eight days since the premiere of the film I've been working on since late in the year 2000. The reviews are out -- Some outstanding, others rankly dismissive, which can be frustrating for the people involved, (though I can only speak for myself,) because I firmly believe that WATCHMEN, the novel, must be read through more than once to even have the faintest grip on it. And I believe the film is the same. I've seen it twice now, and despite having run the movie in my head thousands of times, my two viewings still don’t' allow me to view the film with the proper distance or objectivity. Is it Apocalypse Now? Is it Blade Runner? Is it Kubrick, or Starship Troopers? I don’t know yet. All I know is that I had a pretty amazing experience the two times I've seen it. And both viewings produced remarkably different experiences. The point is, I have listened for years, to complaints from true comic book fans, that "not enough movies take the source material seriously." "Too many movies puss out," or "They change great stories, just to be commercial." Well, I f***ing dare you to say any one of those things about this movie. This is a movie made by fans, for fans. Hundreds of people put in years of their lives to make this movie happen, and every one of them was insanely committed to retaining the integrity of this amazing, epic tale. This is a rare success story, bordering on the impossible, and every studio in town is watching to see if it will work. Hell, most of them own a piece of the movie. So look, this is a note to the fanboys and fangirls. The true believers. Dedicated for life. If the film made you think. Or argue with your friends. If it inspired a debate about the nature of man, or vigilante justice, or the horror of Nixon abolishing term limits. If you laughed at Bowie hanging with Adrian at Studio 54, or the Silhouette kissing that nurse. Please go see the movie again next weekend. You have to understand, everyone is watching to see how the film will do in its second week. If you care about movies that have a brain, or balls, (and this film's got both, literally), or true adaptations -- And if you're thinking of seeing it again anyway, please go back this weekend, Friday or Saturday night. Demonstrate the power of the fans, because it'll help let the people who pay for these movies know what we'd like to see. Because if it drops off the radar after the first weekend, they will never allow a film like this to be made again. In the interests of full disclosure, let me also point out that I do not profi t one cent from an increase in box office, although an increase in box office can add to the value of the writers' eventual residual profits from dvd and tv sales. But I'm not saying it for money. I'm saying it for people like me. I'm saying it for people who love smart, dark entertainment, on a grand, operatic scale. I'm talking to the Snake fans, the Rorschach fans, the people of the Dark Knight. And hey, if you hated the film, if you think we committed atrocities, or literary mistakes of a massive, cephalopodic nature. If the movie made you a little sick to your stomach, or made you feel bad about your life. If you hated it for whatever reason, that's cool too. I'm not suggesting you risk gastro-intestinal distress just for the sake of risky filmmaking. But if you haven't seen it yet? Well, I'll just say this... It may upset you. And it probably will upset you. And all along, we really meant it to. Because face it. All this time...You there, with the Smiley-face pin. Admit it. All this time, you’ve been waiting for a director who was going to hit you in the face with this story. To just crack you in the jaw, and then bend you over the pool table with this story. With its utterly raw view of the darkest sides of human nature, expressed through its masks of action and beauty and twisted good intentions. Like a fry-basket full of hot grease in the face. Like the Comedian on the=2 0Grassy Knoll. I know, I know... You say you don't like it. You say you've got issues. I get it. And yet... You'll be thinking about this film, down the road. It'll nag at you. How it was rough and beautiful. How it went where it wanted to go, and you just hung on. How it was thoughtful and hateful and bleak and hilarious. And for Jackie Earle Haley. Trust me. You'll come back, eventually. Just like Sally. Might as well make it count for something. David Hayter

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  • March 12, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Desperation

    by topfivevideo

    Seems like a desperate ploy to get a huge second weekend

  • March 12, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    interesting

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

  • March 12, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Good points all,

    by krullboyisback

    read the graphic novel, saw the movie, but we can't escape the fact that studios exist to make a profit; it's not the hard core Watchmen people that need to suuport the movie: they have and they will. It's the casual movie fan that makes blockbusters

  • March 12, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    first??

    by Foomas

    Wow bro wow

  • March 12, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Trust me. You'll come back, eventually. Just like Sally.

    by Kizeesh

    ouch.<p> That's cold man. But also genius.<p>

  • March 12, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    David Hayter is a hater...

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    couldn't help myself. but to be fair, no matter how good the film is, the screenwriter is obviously WAY to attached to it to make any kind fair observation about it.

  • March 12, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    crap.......... fourth ok then

    by Foomas

  • March 12, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    First

    by dr sauch

    Yes?

  • March 12, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Oh man. I resign.

    by dr sauch

  • March 12, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Plant

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...LOL! Now that's funny.

  • March 12, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    I'm already going again.

    by gotilk

    But I think he's right

  • March 12, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    David Hayer wants a bailout!

    by ganymede3010

    Word of mouth is killing this movie. This movie is going to sink in week 2.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    This is kind of weird

    by whiskey_dick

    I don't care how good a movie may or may not be. I don't really want to read a letter from one of the guys who wrote it explaining how fucking awesome and emotionally jarring it is. I know he's far from the first person involved in the film industry to talk-up a project they've worked on but still....this is just kind of weird.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    If it's as good as I hope, I'll definitely see it again.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • March 12, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Thank you Mr. Hayter

    by deciple87

    I haven't read the graphic novel yet, but I will after seeing the movie. Thank you Mr. Hayter for such a well thought out letter. Even though I work at a movie theater and can see the movie for free, I will once again be heading to the nearest IMAX to watch it this weekend with friends who haven't seen it yet. Thank you for turning a highly revered story into a solid script that is just as epic. Thank you for giving screenwriters like me hope for our own "balls to the wall" projects that we one day hope to make.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    fuck it, i'm in.

    by colinjbooth

    Was ooohing, aahing and shoud i-ing. I'm in, Tomorrow night. Row D, Seat 6. I hate popcorn. (I was going anyway, but ain't it nice to see some passion...?)

  • March 12, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    He forgets to acknowledge that...

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    ...perhaps the problem with the flick is that the adaptation lacked authenticity, but it was TOO authentic. Moore has said repeatedly that he chooses the graphic novel medium for the inherent benefits that said medium can exude. Adaptations then, by nature, must properly translate the effective parts of one medium by creating new techniques to replicate the effect (i.e. Moore's use of symmetry --> fluid movement of camera [which the film lacked; the frames always felt like panels and the actors seemed like sardines stuck in a tin can]). BUT, despite all this, I still liked the movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it, just didn't love it as much as I hope I would.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    I plan on, David

    by MonkeyLord

    Already planning on a second viewing this weekend, and looking forward to it.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Weird

    by topfivevideo

    I just think its odd. This is a movie that a lot of people have a lot invested in. Now I spoke to a bunch of friends who saw the flick this weekend (some have read the novel and some havent) and most of them were in agreement. It wasn't great. Now I am not saying it wasn't good; im simply saying that it didn't live up to my expectations as a fan. I mean I have to be honest.. I wanted to see the squid. Now this letter or whatever... is actually kind of annoying to me because it just reeks of "oh shit, people didn't like it and they're complaining... quick figure out a way to get more people in weekend two" I don't like the smell of it.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Didn't Serenty go out like this?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Minus the good opening weekend.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Uh-oh, Solid Snake dared people to talk about the changes

    by photoboy

    This isn't going to end well. Personally I loved the film, but I was disappointed by the changes to the ending. Still, I definitely plan to see it again and I'd preorder the Director's Cut DVD now if I could.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    re: Multiple viewings, and adaptation

    by ribbitking

    The farther i get away from the source material the more i enjoy the movie. To the filmakers credit... movies are a collaboritive effort, whereas when you read a book..you alone are the director, screenwriter, cinematographer, etc. yes it's the old argument of books being better than the movie. Snyder is not the only force behind this movie. If you guys think Zack Snyder was the only person making decisions on this flick you are wrong... he had to CONVINCE everyone to get this movie as close as it does to source material.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Oooh please

    by hank quinlan

    I am sooo going to see Last House on the Left. And I didn't see Watchmen last weekend. And the Dark Knight gave dark comic adaptations clout. I don't want Snyder getting any. I think he sucks.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    It finally hit me...

    by topfivevideo

    This letter reads like a soccer mom trying to get the coach to start her son.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    I never even heard of WATCHMEN before this...

    by Conqueror Worm

    ...before Zack made this that is, the trailer was the first thing i'd seen regarding WATCHMEN.</p> My favourite films are A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, THE SHINING & DOWNFALL amongst others.......and I became a fan of WATCHMEN last Friday.</p> I didn't think it was perfect, but it made me want to read more, so I bought the novel, and I've not put it down since.</p> Now not only am I going to see it again, I'm very much looking forward to the extended.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    At least

    by Wants Vaders Executor

    Mr. Hayter here is honest about what he wants and why. Can't blame that. And well, I intend to see it a second time coming week after I saw it opening day. Becaust it's not perfect and the ending of the comic is better, but it's still Watchmen. I mean I saw LOTR a zillion times, although it didn't have the Scouring of the Shire and dozen other major or minor hiccups, but it still was fucking LOTR. So count me in Mr. Hayter.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    I'm glad you posted this letter.

    by Kratos Durden

    I think he has a point, although the money comes into play, if movies like these are not supported they will not be made. If that happens we might end up with a watered down version of "Y: The Last Man" and more crappy Fantastic Four and X-men sequels.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    topfivevideo, I was thinking the same thing!

    by tonagan

  • March 12, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Problem is....

    by cowtrout

    It isn't the die hard fans job to make movies like this blockbusters. It's the people MAKING the movies job to create some thing compelling enough to to get fans and NON-fans alike asses in the seats. Fans who like the movie WILL see it more than once. Beyond multiple viewing and perhaps talking it up (IF they liked it) it really falls on the material and the those involved who MADE the movie to deliver. Dark Knight made half a billion, so darker and more adult comic book movies will still be made. At least that's my view.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Why I won't be seeing it again

    by Alfeetoe

    I love David Hayter. Really, I do. But this does come off as sort of desperate. The reasons I won't be seeing this movie is not because of his script. It's because of the music. It's because of Malin Ackerman. It's because everything, besides Rorschach, felt dull and flat. I loved the comic. And the script...I understand the changes. But that doesnt change the fact that the movie lacked soul. It doesnt change the horrible aging makeup. It doesnt change the lack of Hollis Mason's death, or the comic kids, or yes...the squid. "They change great stories, just to be commercial." Isn't that exactly why the squid isnt in it? Because, while the new ending worked, I still felt myself wondering why the Russians and the US got all buddy buddy when the American Superman fucked everything up. I just...it wasnt a bad movie. It wasnt a good movie. It was a movie, and it was there, and it had cool parts. Much like 300. But this is not a movie I'm going to spend another $10 to see, though I might buy the extended cut on BR just to see if it changes the experience for me. Who knows, I might love it later. But this letter from Hayter, whom I really like, comes off as a ploy for bigger box office more than a rational argument.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    SUPPORT THIS!

    by ABking

    ...

  • March 12, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    movie rocked

    by haidencaine

    Even if second weekend is not strong this is destined for cult greatness. Will get better the more times it is seen. Remember Apocolypse Now opening? Horrible opening weekend. But the legacy endures. Bitches.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Just accept that you made a crap movie!

    by sevadro

    Arrogant prick. Blade Runner? Ha! Even evoking Kubrick is so, so, so...just incredibly deluded.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Well that was sad

    by Kief_Ledger

    Jesus Hayter, calm the fuck down.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    He has a point

    by bee152

    If this movie bombs studios will be less likely to take a chance BUT also the movie should take it's course. If it's good enough to see again people will go if not then they won't. Unfortunately fanboys are not like gaggles of 13 year old girls cooing over Leo in the Titanic (way overrated) and they will not go 10 times and keep the movie in the theaters. They'll fret over every minutia or giz over every splendor but lets face it they won't go multiple times.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Kief_Ledger

    and don't ever evoke Kubrick ever again. He made 2001; you wrote The Scorpion King.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    Brilliant source material turned into average-poor film. Who cares? Yes I think it's good that the director and writers were allowed their creative freedoms, but sometimes creative people need to be punched in the mouth and told: "It's too fucking long! Look at all these flashbacks you munchkins!!" or they get carried away.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    Brilliant source material turned into average-poor film. Who cares? Yes I think it's good that the director and writers were allowed their creative freedoms, but sometimes creative people need to be punched in the mouth and told: "It's too fucking long! Look at all these flashbacks you munchkins!!" or they get carried away.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Good point Sevadro...

    by topfivevideo

    comparing himself to Kubrick... arrogant fuck.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Actually.....

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    I take that back: a lot of people DO give a shit. Just not me I guess. A lot of people I know did like it. I just don;t think this movie will be remembered as one of the greats. I supppose time will tell.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Please go see my film as the numbers are dropping off a cliff

    by metaluna

    This is embarassing. Shame it'll never make it's money back but hey, at least you comic book nerds got a film you think you deserve. Shame there aren't enough of you out there for it to make a profit. Truly a desperate measure when a writer has to come on here and beg you to go see his film again. Very telling.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    If you're reading this Mr Hayter...

    by mode_7

    ...I'd like to thank you for a valiant effort. I had a few problems with the movie but dammit, you guys came thhhiiiiiissss close. I eagerly await the directors cut.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I thought the film

    by MrDexter

    was boring. But I found the source material boring.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    PLANT!!!!

    by ricarleite

    I mean... Plant.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Nurse..!

    by The_Skook

    Hell, I'd see the movie again JUST to watch Silhouette kissing the nurse, and I bought each issue of Watchmen when it came out. Loved it!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    White Chicks was like Blade Runner on its second viewing

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    The public just did give a movie that took risks like that a chance.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    "must be read through more than once to even have the faintest g

    by Amy Chasing

    No. No it doesn't. Sure you may not get the author's full intent on one reading, but not even having the faintest grip... sorry, Watchmen is not Joyce's Ulysses - and even that you'll understand what the author is going for on your first reading. <P> I argue that any form of media that an observer can't understand the point of or the bulk of in one sitting isn't good media. Media is supposed to communicate. Is Hayter saying that Watchmen doesn't? <P> As for his open letter - maybe a major Hollywood studio won't make a film like this again. Plenty of other film makers in the world that will.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    David Hayter...

    by Dead_Geek

    ...is trying to make you drink the coolaid! F*ck you! The film sucks! Lemmings!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Kudos to you, Mr. Hayter!

    by ChezKing

    I agree wholeheartedly with his thoughts....I commend him for loving the Watchmen so much that he risks writing a letter that he will obviously be criticized for. And he is right on all points.... I came out of the movie theater loving and hating the movie, just like I felt about Last Temptation of Christ. But then I realized that is exactly how I and all of us should feel about the movie. It IS dark...it IS disturbing...but it IS blatantly honest about the "hero concept". Kudos to Zack Snyder and Team for taking this risk and making a film that will make us THINK for all time. Whether you Love it or Hate it...It's the WATCHMEN. I'll be seeing it this weekend.... PEACE.....

  • March 12, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    DO IT

    by Chuck_Cobra

    Fox keeps putting out shit movies cause we keep going to see them. Whether you liked it or not....if Watchmen doesn't do well, other studios won't be taking anymore risks either, and you can SURE AS HELL expect MORE X-MEN 3s and Ghost Riders and Elektras and PG-13 Die Hards to be coming down the pipeline. He's trying to save what little greatness is left in Hollywood........don't fuck it up.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Kubrick?

    by Kratos Durden

    I think some of you need to read the letter again, he doesn't compare himself to Kubrick. I don't see where he says "I am like Kubrick!" You're finding things that are not there and that's how the nastiness begins.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:20 p.m. CST

    2001 = Masterpiece.

    by Dead_Geek

    The Scorpion King = Sh*t!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    $92 million in 6 days

    by slone13

    Not too shabby

  • March 12, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Sorry Solid Snake but I didn't like the film

    by Judge_Dredd

    I tried but i couldn't enjoy it.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Blame the TV spots!!!

    by WerePlatypus

    Watchmen is ACTION PACKED!! THRILL RIDE!! BLAH BLAH BLAH. . . The average movie-goer is expecting something quite different than what they're going to see. . . and the ensuing word of mouth (which will be horrible) must be blamed squarely on the studio's dishonest marketing. Made by fans. . . for fans. . . but marketed by the same tired assholes.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    On the one hand...

    by JIMBOCOP

    ...I want the movie to do well as a step on the path to comics ("graphic novels" is a phrase I hate - it implies "comics" are somehow less worthy of consideration as art) being taken seriously. BUT I'm also with Hitler on the Squid issue. But at least David Hayter (damn that guy has a GREAT CV) is taking the time to talk to the fans and that's more than most ppl do. I'll wait for the the 4DVD set with "...BLACK FREIGHTER" and the all-important alternative ending, which you KNOW they'll film in time for the release date. That is all.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    wow, most people in this thread hated it...

    by Jarek

    I'm surprised. I liked it a lot. I've already seen it twice.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    oh, and...

    by Jarek

    This letter has been online and scooped by sites like Rotten Tomatoes for days now. I remember when AICN was where you'd go to get scoops first..... this is days late.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    WTF???

    by Burp Fartman

    Do NOT compare it to Blade Runner, hippie!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    This guy's a writer?!?!?!

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    I always thought that being a script writer meant you had some grasp on how things should be written. It seems I was wrong!<p>"Because face it. All this time...You there, with the Smiley-face pin. Admit it."<p>Huh?<p>"Like the Comedian on the=2 0Grassy Knoll. I know, I know..."<p>What?<p>"If you care about movies that have a brain, or balls, (and this film's got both, literally), or true adaptations -- And if you're thinking..."<p>Where did those two dashes come from? And then you decided to just start a new sentence?<p>It's a bit like Christopher Nolan making a Youtube video to tell us how great his new movie is, except the Youtube clip has shoddy editing and is out of focus.<p>Jesus fucking Christ. I don't know about if a Comedian died tonight, but my belief in Hollywood scriptwriters certainly fucking did.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    This guy is nuts

    by darthjade

    Who cares? The movie was good but there is no frakking way I am paying to see it twice. I am not gonna spend 12 bucks to see any movie more than once. What a d-bag!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    GOOD $$$ during the week...it will top out at 130M domestic!

    by ABking

    David, will that be a success for you?

  • March 12, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    awful, embarrassment of a film

    by altoandando

    I felt so ashamed watching this... what a soulless mess, virtually nothing has any impact. Terrible casting, AWFUL and just pitiful use of music (even good songs like Watchtower), that stupid fire rescue scene just sums it all up... ahhh just make it go away. People who worked on this did a bad thing... please don't make movies anymore, thanks!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST. LET IT FUCKING DIE!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • March 12, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Hayter

    by The Fear

    Watchmen is not Blade Runner, Kubrick or Apocalypse Now. Its Howard the Duck.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Yeah, keep bashing Hayter ...

    by MonkeyLord

    because collectively, we would all much prefer for Hollywood to crank out retarded schlock like Transformers, X-Men 3, Fantastic Four, etc.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    I Agree With The Guy's Point

    by A-COD

    Which is that the success of Watchmen lead down a path to a certain type of product. Who knows where we come out? If Alien wasn't a success would we have ever gotten the Thing Remake, Without Halloween would be have Friday the 13th? Without Silence of the Lambs would we have Seven? Without Hellraiser there never would have been Nightbreed.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Mr. Hayter: "Too many movies puss out"...

    by -Halfscan-

    and I dare say so did yours. Randomly amping the violence and sex early in the movie just for the sake of holding an "R" rating while removing it from the climax (where it would have had a strong emotional impact) was just short sited, sophomoric, and pandering to the lowest common denominator. Your third act was anemic.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    FFS, altoandando

    by MonkeyLord

    Did we see the same fucking movie? Did you even attend the showing, or were you in the hallway rubbing one out on a G.I. Joe poster for 3 hours?

  • March 12, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    He has a point

    by enderandrew

    If you want to see movies like Watchmen, then support them. Hollywood loves to play copycat and will mimic movies that are successful. For better or worse, even if you prefer the squid, the movie got so much right that few other directors would have been able to successfully lobby for. And if Hayter is reading this, I actually prefer the movie ending. I'm curious however what Hayter's take is.<p>If the story is meant to have resolution and a protagonist, then is it Ozy? Did he supposedly do right by performing the lesser evil? If so, the entire premise of the movie seems flawed given Russia and the US both decided to begin disarming nukes on their own. If the point is that no one is right, and everyone is a facist, then that story has some merit, but that is pretty fucked up.<p>You can tell a story with no protagonist, but do you want to?

  • March 12, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Overyhyped and out of touch movie

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Bring on Star Trek.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Question for CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    by Amy Chasing

    How did you register your username on AICN? If I try to register a new talkback username it tells me I'm unauthorised to view this webpage, and has for a long time - way before the Bale Out. What magic do you possess that I don't?

  • March 12, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    the only haters I ahve seen...

    by haidencaine

    have all been on line. I have not talked to anyone face to face that did not like it. I know they are out there but I have not met any. People at work said they loved it and planned on seeing it again. Can't make everyone happy. Fuck it, I'm happy!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Shoulda made a better movie then

    by JT Kirk

    Too bad the studios will mistake poor marketing and a mixed film for mere a niche audience.<p> Might also be good for the fucked up studio system to recognize that Watchmen is a unique story, it's not superhero, it's not action, it's not sci-fi, it's not something that can be easily pigeonholed, and as such, there's nothing else like it to hang on the success or failure of this particular film.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Hayter as Ozymandias

    by Larry of Arabia

    I did the right thing, didn't I? With the adaptation I mean. It all worked out in the end. 20 years from now you'll all realize it, right? I hope you geeks would understand, unlike... Wait, don't go!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    I Loved It, But That Does Sounds Desperate

    by LaserPants

    I thought it was doing well? Was I wrong?

  • March 12, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    metaluna

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    "at least you comic book nerds got a film you think you deserve"<p>Fuck you. You're on a fucking website devoted to geek shit like the new Wolverine movie, Battlestar Galactica and constant coverage of Watchmen. And yet you decide to have a go at "comic book geeks". Well, you're on a fucking talkback devoted to a movie based on a comic book. You're in no position to attack people because they enjoyed the graphic novel. Hold your breath and count to five billion. Slowly.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Thoughts on Hayter's notes.

    by jerseycajun

    Showing real brains and balls, if I may, wouldn't be to think that making the film needlessly and excessively graphic in both the sex and gore factor makes it more "adult". I'm thinking of both the sex scene which looked like it had more in common with the shows in Times Square during the 80's than the tasteful, two-panel, shadowed scene from the novel.<br></br><br></br>Or, showing a man's arms cut off, when there's no purpose served by the story to see it done explicitly, when even in the novel, we only were shown an implied act. The Dark Knight had bone breaking violence, but Nolan understood that we didn't need to see bone poking through clothing to get the proper effect, and he didn't have to compromise when it came to making a mature film by not showing that, or showing Harvey Dent show his love to Rachael Dawes by having them explicitly bump and grind in ways that made you feel like a peeping Tom for just being witness to it.<br></br><br></br>Simply making the film more graphic does not make this a more mature film. I would love to see films grow up, but due to the fact that in these circumstances and a few others sprinkled throughout the film, I feel it trying to appeal to my baser nature, not my maturity. If Mr. Snyder is taking notes, this should be bullet point number one.<br></br><br></br>There are some more technical issues that I have with the film as well. It seems to me that what's really being said here is that taking the source material seriously means adhering to it's structure, whether it works as well in the format or not. There is a long stretch in Watchmen the movie where it desperately needed something to break up the constant flow of information, something a book can do which a movie cannot. We can put the book down and pick it up again later, or we can re-read a line or two that require more reflection. Can't do that in a movie. This film needed some re-arrangement of scenes from the book in order to keep it consistently involving from beginning to end.<br></br><br></br>That said, the film, on the whole, still works in many respects. It's just that when the director tried to impart his own stamp on the material, it detracted from the experience, and in some of the places where he remained utterly faithful, it was in the places that didn't translate well in a literal sense. Nobody is saying to compromise in conveying the meaning, ideas and spirit of the source material, but it just felt that the director didn't know where or what was appropriate to adhere to it and where changes would enhance or detract from that goal.<br></br><br></br>I apologize to Mr. Hayter, but upon leaving the theater, I did not feel compelled to re-visit this in it's current state. Perhaps I will catch the extended version to see if any of my structural concerns were addressed (but I'm not holding my breath).

  • March 12, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I like to bitch about everything..

    by BigFatBaby

    I like to bitch about the REAL crap like Transformers, X3, Fantastic Four and complain that these films make tons of money and keep getting sequels and I also like to bitch about how Hollywood never produces anything cerebral like V for Vendetta and Watchmen after being let down that the film didn't make me jizz in my pants.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Sad

    by Mr. Fancypants

    That is pretty sad. A writer begging people to go see his movie, pretending it is for the art form. What a load of blue dinks...

  • March 12, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Nevermind CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    by Amy Chasing

    Looks like the talkback user registration is operational again. Let the new-user-creation-confusion commence!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Watchmen isn't perfect

    by BigFatBaby

    Watchmen isn't perfect. But it's the type of movie I like to see. No good can come from letting movies like this fail at the box office.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    I'll watch it again...

    by Schlepo

    ...but i won't pay for it. I appreciate the movie, but i don't think im gonna drop 12 bones to see it again.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Amy Chasing

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    I have no idea. Try turning your computer on and off three times, and then pour cough mixture into the DVD tray. It might work.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    BTW Hayter, it DID puss out and get changed to go commercial

    by JT Kirk

    You dare us to say it? That's exactly what you did with that crapass third act! C'mon now, whether or not you loyally portrayed the first 2/3rds (and that's arguable), the last act totally does what you're fucking claiming. It does puss out, it does change the material for commercialism, and it doesn't take the source serious enough to trust that overchoreographed, slo-mo fight scenes and feel-good endings setting up sequels aren't better than what it's about. <p>None of that is why it's not getting better reviews and word of mouth though, it failed there because the overall execution has its share of problems - problems in the edit, problems in pacing, problems with acting, problems with conveying emotions, problems translating comic storytelling to cinematic storytelling. I applaud everybody who wanted to make this movie, you did a good job, but by not doing a BETTER job (and that falls heavily with the screenplay and directing and producing, if we are being honest), you also failed the material.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    douchebagjones

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    People get banned for comments like that. Watch yourself, asshole.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    I Loved It, & Even I Think Many of the Criticisms Are Valid

    by LaserPants

    I was planning on seeing it in IMAX this weekend anyways, so, yeah. <br><br>In terms of the ending, I think the Doc Manhattan = Klaatu actually makes more sense, but the ball that really got dropped was the lack of the 6 page apocalypse spash...

  • March 12, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    You had me a Scorpion King

    by Crooooooow

    *Tear*

  • March 12, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Well...the added violence DID change the story...

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    to make it more commerical and dumbed down. Rorschach becomes the good guy when the other good guys run around committing brutal murder just because there hasn't been an action scene in 10 minutes...

  • March 12, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Nigga Please...

    by SuperflyTNT

    Look, your movie all right, and while I can dig where you're coming from on studios coughing up enough dough to take a chance on a risky movie, "Watchmen" ain't it. I dug the comic, and while the movie is faithful, it's too 2-dimensional about the whole thing. Someone who hadn't read the book first would come into "Watchmen" bewildered and leave just as. It's got nothing to do with the material being "too brainy" and everything to do with pandering too hard to a small segment of the audience, who, as has been proven time and again, are going to be bitchy little girls about any niggling changes you've made, and slam the movie no matter what. So, you're fucked coming and going. Better off putting your own personal spin on the material, truncating it a great deal, or simply not filming it. Yeah, it looks like "Watchmen" but it doesn't feel like "Watchmen" because it has all the depth of an old Western set: The saloon may look like a saloon head on, but get a little closer to it and it's just a bunch of 2 x 4s propped up on stilts. Characters and scenes couldn't breathe because there wasn't enough time to develop them. Like it or not, that's what comics can do. That's what novels can do. Films, unless changes are made, can't.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    I've always been in two minds about having a computer support

    by Amy Chasing

    business called Have You Tried Turning It Off & On Again. I like the name, but I'd lose three quarters of my business if clients just did what the name suggests.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Seen it twice

    by Butter

    I watched the film again last night for the second time. My first viewing was Thursday at midnight in IMAX. After that first viewing I wasn't sure how I felt about the film. I noticed many of the "issues" most people are having with the film: bad aging makeup, questionable acting, too many flashbacks, pacing problems, new ending, etc. All I can say is that after my second viewing, many of those things didn't matter as much and I enjoyed the film that much more. I had read the GN a number of times and was very familiar with the material. The problem I think the film is having is that many of us were TOO familiar with the source material. We had waited years for this film to be made and we went into our first viewing looking for ANYTHING that didn't sit right. We were overly critical. We went in LOOKING for problems. See it again, knowing what the flaws are, and just try to enjoy it as a film. You may surprise yourself with your reaction. I know I did.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Dude, you guys changed the ending...

    by Rollo Tomasi666

    ..and got it wrong. Period. Doesn't matter how much you got right - you are judged on the the whole thing and someone dropped the ball big time. Missed the whole point the original material and the reactions are appropriate. Don't come in here and tell us to support the damn thing when you are the guys who slapped fans and even people who have no idea what WATCHMEN is by altering the ending when there was no reason at all to do this. Whoever was responsible for just that one change should be singled out. And for the record - everyone is going on about how good the film looks - and how visionary Zach is with this and 300...Well you know what? That's all LARRY FONG. Same with 300. Give that guy the credit. He didn't get the credit when he basically created Tarsem's look as well...so give it to him here. If you liked the way Watchmen looked - credit Larry - story-wise - well that's Zach and the writers fault. You guys missed a huge opportunity.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Also, LOVE the rape myth joke!

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    hahahaah, dumb bitches deserve to get raped! I GET IT! haahahahahah!

  • March 12, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    If this doesn't make as much as Gran Torino

    by kikuchiyoboy

    They're bumming. Really, how is Gran Torino raking in all this cash? I mean I really dig Clint films and Torina was decent but 143 million dollars and counting? Heh. That's just wild. <br> <br> Can't believe I just reposted this.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    In Solid Snake I Trust

    by Darth_Gonz

    If Solid Snake says it, it must be done.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    JT Kirk

    by LaserPants

    Although I think many of your criticisms are valid, that was NOT a lighter ending; I think the tone was virtually the same. The only difference, aside from the sad lack of the 6 page splash and the bodies piled high, is the Doc M = Klaatu ending, which, lets face it, is just as ludicrous as the Squid ending, BUT, it makes more narrative sense in terms of Docs character arc.<br><br> The argument that the Squid would bring people together, but the Doc M would not doesn't really make sense. They're both ludicrous plans that probably would work in real life, that did. <br><br>Further, the argument that the world would immediately blame the US doesn't necessarily bare out either because, as is established in the film, Doc M makes it quite clear to the world that he doesn't want to be associated with it anymore, including the US, before he splits for Mars. Several weeks later, he attacks the ENTIRE Earth -- every major city, INCLUDING the New York in the US. Then Nixon made a statement to the world; a gesture of solidarity against a shared threat, and the world united against the shared threat. Its no more difficult to accept then the Squid having the same effect.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Shut Up About the Ending

    by enderandrew

    It wasn't changed for commercial success, because frankly having a giant squid tear shit up might have helped things commercially, but it wouldn't make sense in the story unless you set it up properly, which means a very long movie. When you adapt to film, you have to adapt to film.<p>And I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The film's ending is better. It makes more sense. It adds more meaning to the characters. It seems like a much more logical conclusion to everything that preceded it. And it resolves things better.<p>Dr. Manhattan did care about people, and thusly he was hurt by the notion he may have given cancer to people close to him. He was hurt that he couldn't make his relationship work with Laurie. He tried to tell himself that he didn't care about humans, and that he couldn't make a difference. When he attempts to save the day, he discovers that he has been used to kill others. There is emotional weight in the hero trying to save the day, but eventually serving to destroy them unwittingly. Doesn't that PERFECTLY sum up what the book stands for? No other character serves as a "superhero" so much as Dr. Manhattan. And his involvement gives him all that much more reason to leave, resolving the conundrum of "God" on Earth.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Hayter you fuckin twit

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    You could've made a blueballs joke, but you just had to go for the rape. Don't you know that there are decent, kindhearted children who read Aint it Cool, who have never seen a herpes sore, or ejaculated upon anything, or maybe even lack pubic hair. And yet you have to rub their faces in rape. That's beneath the conduct of someone who is a Top Gun screenwriter and imaginary covert ops hero, and you know it.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    oh god

    by menstrual_blitz

    suck it, hayter! that is some embarrassing shit...GO SEE THE FUCKING MOVIE! GO! GO! NOW! <p>christ, we get it....and by the way, your movie ain't Blade Runner and Kubrick's name belongs nowhere in your letter.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, the ending...

    by Butter

    The new ending was pretty much set up in one of the first scenes in the movie, in that TV political "discussion" the woman talks about how Dr. Manhattan may be feared by all countries, not just the Russians.

  • March 12, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Oh, and on some of the parts that changed...

    by jerseycajun

    It has nothing to do with the lack of squid, but rather some of the dialog that was re-arranged at the end of the film - specifically by giving Laurie Jon's line and having her deliver it to Dan instead of Ozy, robbing him, as Massawyrm said, of experiencing his one moment of complete and utter doubt. It's one of the most devastating moments of the novel and it was neutered for no apparent reason. Instead, we get the line as shown in the movie delivered by other characters who don't deliver the emotional impact it had in it's original context because it can't almost by definition. It was the little decisions like this that made it feel interesting, but uninvolving as a whole.

  • March 12, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    I don't know whether the ending was better

    by kikuchiyoboy

    but I felt it worked. <br> <br> What didn't work was the ketchup on the shirt. That actually dissapointed me more than anything. And I'm not kidding. <br> <br> But overall I really dug it.

  • March 12, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    Is it Apocalypse Now? Is it Blade Runner?

    by Buzz_Aldrin

    Is it Kubrick, or Starship Troopers? I have the answer to these questions man: It ain't any one of those. Also: watchmen isn't a novel. It's a graphic novel at best (which is a fancy name for comic book as far as i remember). I haven't even seen the movie yet but this "open" letter of yours REALLY turns me off of the whole thing. Weird mixture of desperation and illusions of grandeur. Stop blowing your own whistle so much and get back on the Prozac please.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    David...

    by mrbonefish

    just ignore these pretentious pricks. The film was outstanding and will go down along-side all the films you mentioned. Thanks for your hard work and keep it up.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    I Was With Him...

    by ROBRAM89

    ...until that really uncomfortable Sally Jupiter crack. Uhh, okay. AICN isn't exactly the place to make a statement that amounts to "I tried to rape you and you loved it so much you're gonna let me come back to finish the job." Uhh, eww?

  • March 12, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Guess I have to agree with Hayter

    by subtlety

    even though I was ultimately disappointed with Watchmen, I think the guy's right that by supporting the film financially, we make it much easier for other (probably better) directors to take on risky material with the resources of the studios. Watchmen fizzled in the end (despite some great moments early on) but it was still one of the more interesting things to hit theaters in a long while, and if it does OK I do think we stand a much better chance of getting some really great films in the future. A vote with your consumer dollar, especially in THIS economy, actually means something (way more than any political vote you may make). <br><br> PS For a guy who makes a living writing, Hayter's even less comprehensible than Harry. Geez.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Snake?! Answer me! Snaaaake!!! waaaaaaah!

    by Reilly

    Seriously, lay off the guy seems like most of the complaints are more with the directing than script. Too many of you are reading too much into this. And give him a break on the Scorpion King. I doubt anyone can help turn anything Stephen Sommers writes into a masterpiece. <p />Whats wrong with supporting a movie that was close to being great? It could have been a LOT worse.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Why the ketchup scene not working bothered me?

    by kikuchiyoboy

    It would be like if Kubrick fumbled his punchline of T.J. King Kong riding the bomb to oblivion or Kubrick's final line in Eyes Wide Shut, "Fuck". <br> <br> Other than that the film is a nice play by play of the comic. But it is in no way Blade Runner or a Kubrick film.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    I agree with Snake

    by Phategod2

    thought the movie w as awesome and can't wait to see it again.

  • If I wanted to see a movie a second time, I will go see it a second time. I'm tired of this fanboy reaction that we should be grateful we get a movie and support it just because. Any other writer begging people to go see a movie they are undecided on a second time because "people are watching how this does" can accept that people were watching DARK KNIGHT, SPIDER MAN 2, THE INCREDIBLES and IRON MAN clean up. People are always watching success - maybe the ONLY $50 MILLION success mean appealing to fanboyism when you mess up an adaptation is pissing where you eat. Shame on you AICN for posting this.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    I'll take the dare

    by GodsRightHandGimp

    The film "pussed out" when the comedian burned the picture of the united states. Anyone who has read the GN knows what I'm talking about.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    oh yeah...

    by subtlety

    Aside from reading like one of Harry's stream-of-consciousness rants, it also has a similarly creepy rape joke at the end. Seriously? Sally coming back to the Comedian is ... a sign of hope?!!

  • March 12, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    BLUE PENI RAPED MY CHILDHOOD

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    seriously it doesn't take a wagging dick to show disassociation<p> Well at least it wasn't errect...

  • March 12, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    A futile exercise in desperation.

    by blackmantis

    If he thinks this letter is going to make any dent in the gross he's giving too much credit to the size of Harry's fanbase. Yeah, it's sizable, but I doubt it makes up even 2 percent of your average weekend gross. Movies that make blockbuster grosses do so because they appeal to people across the board, and most of them don't visit these websites. Most of them can't even name more than three hollywood actors. They just go see a film because it either has an interesting premise, a star they like, or heard it was good from a friend. If you want to make more money, make a better movie next time.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    WATCHMEN WAS BALLSY

    by jackson healy

    David Hayter has a good point. No matter what you think of it, it was ballsy. If you think they didn't hit it out of the park this time, make sure there's a second time by supporting this movie.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    I think this is a movie that might be better a second time

    by SexyBeast

    i plan on seeing it this weekend at least.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    SNAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!

    by Delagoya

    Stop bitching you fuckers. The comic was awesome and so was the film ADAPTATION. Let's see any of you fucks do better at writing a script, or directing, or anything else that involves you in the creation of this film. Fucking babies. I'll definitely be seeing Watchmen again this weekend Mr. Hayter.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    HATE

    by menstrual_blitz

    that 'bend you over the pool table' bit, too. <p>Real classy, hayter.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    HAYTER IS AMAZING 4 DOING THIS!!!

    by MainMan2001

    This takes balls. This means a lot to everyone who cares about dark epic film making!! We need more films like the WatchMen being backed by the studio system. I loved the film for many reasons but most of all because it got made at all in the manner it did. Anyone who complains about this film is an angry sexless nerd who has no concept just how hard it is to get any movie made at all let alone a complex 100 million dollar film that stays extremely true to the material!!! Bravo all in involved and this message should be done by more film makers. It should be the beginnings of a revolution if you ask me.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    It was OK.

    by Sal_Bando

    Nothing more. And you guys weren't helped by some of the casting.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Did not hate Watchmen, Mr. Hayter

    by Star Hump

    Had a few issues with it, but it was an earnest effort to bring the story to the screen, and I admired it for that. Sure, I'll go back for another viewing, for all the reasons you listed.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Make a better film, no begging required

    by chromedome

    Pathetic: "If you liked even one tiny moment in the film, go see it again"<p>It was fine to see once--nothing made me want to see it again. Rorshach was GREAT, Comedian was GREAT (but under utilized), Carla Gugino was wasted, and everyone else was dull as dirt with characters as thin as tissue paper.<p>The Times A Changing opening was a great standalone piece of cinema magic, but sadly, it Was Standalone....

  • March 12, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    If we thought they didn't hit out of the park

    by kikuchiyoboy

    why would we want to support another go around of this kind? <br> <br> Just saying. I dug the film even though some of it was uneven, mainly due to some of the slowmo fight scenes and music choices. <br> <br> I couldn't force a friend to watch this knowing they didn't dig it. What's the point? They wouldn't want to support the film cause they didn't like the film. Maybe they wish Greengrass stuck around or some other young/new director had a chance. <br> <br> It's really up to the "Paul Blarters" out there. They're the ones to convince. We gave our dollar and some of us may go again. But some of us don't care. It's just the way it is. <br> <br> Don't worry the Dark Knight will always be a good pitch... for instance: "I have this comic film. It's got a little sci-fi and little sex. Oh it's about a Duck... but wait... it's also got a Dark Knight feel to it." <br> <br> Boom! Sold... greenlit... and in production with Paul Thomas Anderson at the helm.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Well, as long as you f***ing dared me.

    by Bjornegar

    "They" will never let a movie like WATCHMEN be made again if it drops off the radar in week two? 1. GOOD. F***ING GOOD. 2. Somebody thinks a little too highly of himself, I think. You say your adaptation has heart and balls. I say it's juvenile. So, yeah, the balls are covered. Never, in all the years of reading and re-reading WATCHMEN did it make me think of my testicles, but, all-righty, pussy. If you say so. What about brains? That's a pretty important organ, too, donchaknow? The lesbian heroine kissing the nurse? That's one of your go-to moments? I remember being twelve, when the teacher graded my book report lower than I expected, I was kinda upset, too. But even then I knew not to write an open letter championing my gloriousness. That would've gotten me a good ass-kicking, probably. Your movie was nothing special. Generic. Except in parts where it was gratuitous. And the other parts where it was stupid. That's why I won't see it again. If that means I have to turn in my Geek Card, so be it.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I bet this is going to be a bigger hit on Video.

    by kikuchiyoboy

    This is one of those you can just pop on at anytime. You can also pause it if you like.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    HAYTER, APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR VOICE ACTING

    by J-Dizzle

    What the hell happened in MGS3 and 4? That was a lazy VA job for Snake!

  • March 12, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Look, to me this is all about...

    by Johnny T Williams

    The movie making money so the studios realize that taking chances in a film like Watchmen (with the R rating, etc, etc) is worth the risk. You can say all you want about Hayter's letter, but the truth is that even if he meant to, he won't be convincing a huge amount of people who had no interest in the movie to just go, he's just Solid Snake, not fucking Barack Obama. I completely agree with him when he says that this is not only about the movie making more money, but about what that would mean for future and similar projects. He is right, Snyder took many risks and had enough balls to stick it up to the man as much as he could to get the movie he wanted (not the suits) on screen. We should all be thankful for that, regardless of the movie being great or just "good". Let's stop being complaining pussies and just go out and support the movie like the fanboys we claim to be, not only for Watchmen, but for future stuff we'd like to see treated with a bit more of respect by Hollywood.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    halsolo..

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Yeah, except worldwide BO is already near 100 mil.<p>Also, I think the letter is gauche. But I come to expect this shit in genre stuff.<p>Anyway, I'm seeing it again this weekend or next week.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Times They Are A-Changin'

    by SuperflyTNT

    While we're at it, everyone seems to be shitting a brick over the credit sequence. Am I the only one who thought that it did A) kind of a lousy job setting up the alternate universe, and that B) any brilliance was negated somewhat by the fact that they used the most obvious song imaginable for it? The same can be said for almost every music cue in the movie. "Hallelujah?" Really?

  • March 12, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Bjornegar...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    I think you think too highly of your opinion, man.<p>Reading and re-reading something, mentally congratulating yourself for 'getting it' doesn't make you smart, in the same way as filming two broads kissing make this flick 'ballsy'.<p>I think showing Comedian punching the shit out of a civilian woman, and that getting a laugh out of a largely uninitiated crowd is pretty ballsy for a flick. They sure as fuck didn't laugh during Revolution Row or whatever the fuck.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    FIRST post was correct: desperate.

    by WX1

    <p>Can't say it enough: the squid was needed.</p> <p>Bruddah shoulda' wrote that in. S'mattah? He was faithful to the material until the end? Sad. WERRRRRRRRRRR, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM, EXPLOSIVE SPECIAL EFFECT. F*&kin' things should come with a laugh trax in every film the damn 'splosion ending is so f*&kin' overused!!!!!</p> <p>The squid would've put "Watchmen" the film firmly in cinematic history. THERE IS NO ENDING LIKE IT.</p> <p>Moviegoers have seen that kind of 'splosion (so what if it was light/metallic BLUE this time?). Typical Hollyweird ending,</p> <p>Brotha' COULD have banked on a strong second week if the dripping, overwhelming squid/tachyon appeared instead. ALL THIS WEEK folks would've been, "man, how's that monster in that Watchman movie, yeah?" "Man, that ending just creeped me out." THAT ending would've HAD people who didn't even CARE about seeing Watchmen in the first place seeing the film this week</p> <p>And those who've read "Watchmen" over the years would've come back in droves as well.</p> <p>To those of you who say the squid wasn't needed, think of this checkmate and trump on you: if the squid was KEPT IN, NO one, NO ONE, not the most casual fan, not the most die-hard fan of "Watchmen" would've said, "geez, the film should've ended with Ozymandias manipulating Dr. Manhattan and, oh, yeah, we should be treated to a Death Star explosion, yeah, yeah, we haven't seen THOSE in a while!"</p> <P>Not. One.</p> <p>Spread the f*&kin' word, and, uh, Mr. Screenwriter -- make sure you get that f*&kin' squid back into the DVD. Maybe THAT'll help what you're trying to do.</p>

  • March 12, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    My 2 Cents.....

    by MohammadsStool

    Read the graphic novel. Haven't seen the film yet. Therefore, I have nothing to add to this thread. Thank you.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    it's not about the "R"

    by kikuchiyoboy

    It's about content and good story telling. Some people didn't dig it. I believe someone could make a really good "R" super hero story at a decent budget nowadays. Just get a fucking good screenwriter new upcoming actors and actresses and a very convincing producer/director. <br> <br> This film is not the end all of comic films. Hell we survived Bat Nips for christ sakes.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    NO SQUID = UNFAITHFUL TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL

    by BILLCLINTONS_CUMSTAIN

    You dared me and I obliged. Suck it!

  • March 12, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    No Squid = Trevor and Sigma Phi Fuckstick Will See It Too.

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Suck it again.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    SNAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!

    by TheWaqman

    You are such a badass but your voice actor is a whiny little bitch. Fuck the Watchmen movie it was horrible. I don't blame the scriptwriter. I blame the director.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    -Halfscan-

    by Rorshach_is_the_leader_of_the_GOP

    You hit the nail on the head. This movie came close... but fell apart at the end.. it actually gets WORSE on repeat viewings.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Overyhyped and out of touch movie? bring on star trek?

    by quantize

    hahaha fucking hah just be CAREFUL what you WISH for asshole

  • March 12, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    um, benny?

    by Bjornegar

    Hitting a woman for a laugh is "ballsy?" Ok, if you say so. I'm not the one who wanted extra credit for ballsiness. One of the guys who created giant blue CGI testes was the one who wanted the credit. Besides, are you celebrating films that glorify violence against women? Really? Just curious, what kind of "ballsy" movies have you seen, douchebag? Ever seen a Fellini film? Bergman? Kurosawa? Pretty much this, 300, and the STAR WARS prequels - those are your touchstones, I'm just guessing. But hey, I'm feeling ballsy. Maybe I should come over and hit your mother. Hey, bud, got a sister? Cause I'll bring a lesbian superheroine with me.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    David Hayter's letter is a steaming pile of horseshit...

    by MJohnson

    Much like all of Snyder's films.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    how bout no?

    by HaterofCrap

    no!

  • March 12, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Since Hayter is obviously going to read this...

    by Immortal_Fish

    Can't pass up a chance to hopefully get my ideas across to the man that wrote the story.<P>Loved the film. I give it a solid B+. Frankly. it's easier to get into the parts that didn't work rather than the parts that did, since they are legion.<P>Ozy was all wrong. Those ignorant of the source material had him pegged as the villain from the very beginning. He wasn't humble or pure as the character in the comic was. Consider that this is a man that gave away his inheritance to rebuild himself. Ozy didn't form the Crime Busters (aka movie's Watchmen team) for this reason. And we had no sense of how much Bubastis meant to him, which gave her sacrifice zero weight. Goode played with arrogance, not humility. Maybe this is how he carried the role. Maybe this is how he was directed. Or, maybe this was how you wrote the character. Or some combination between.<P>What would life be like if super heroes walked among us? Answer -- They'd be just as fucked up as the rest of us. This is the Watchmen story on the surface. The lack of regular Joes in the film was unfortunate. We never got their perspective. The lesbian cabbie, the two Bernies, the reporter, the two detectives, the arson victims. Granted, there is only so much screen time to devote to such characters, but there was no grounding of the fantastic/super normal by way of giving us something to gauge a comparison. Perhaps these were cuts that Snyder chose to make. Or, perhaps they weren't cuts because they were never fleshed out on paper in advance.<P>Lastly, the crucial "Nothing ever ends line." Here we have the smartest man alive asking -- feasibly for the first time -- asking the demigod if he did the right thing. And the demigod answers with a line that is equally subjective as it is cryptic. Leaving Ozy to marinate in his self loathing. That's tragedy. That's missed opportunity. And this one is all your fault.<P>I have minor nitpicks -- like Dan and Laurie killing, which indistinguishes them from Kovacs -- but the above are the big three gripes I'll stick with.<P>The movie is so nuanced and gets so damn much right that I can't possibly dislike it. I even have little problem with the ending. This is a film that must be digested on multiple viewings just like the books and I love it for that. Thank you so very much for what you have helped to give us.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    The story was brilliant...

    by NotVeryFunny

    ...and clever ... and touching ...and daring. Fucking awesome. And the movie did it justice. But the typical "cell-phone still on and I talk during the movie" kind of moviegoer won't get it, cause you have to "think" a little bit to enjoy it. So the movie will sink, but I don't give a shit because it was made for me and I loved it.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Just came back from my second viewing

    by MrD

    Still love it. As for Hayter, its a nice bit of hucksterism he has here, but also too transparent. Sad to see them this desperate. WB must be anticipating a Hulk-like dropoff.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I'm going to catch Paul Blart

    by kikuchiyoboy

    even though I dug this film.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Wow, touched a nerve...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Sorry Bjorn. I wasn't intimating you weren't smart, but I figured a big boy like you could take a comment on your own commentary. So, since you called me a douche, fine I will talk about ballsy films about women getting hurt.<p>The original Last House on the Left. That movie was fucked up, ballsy. Oh, and Straw Dogs. That movie was also ballsy. What I was referring to was not the violence, but the laughter the violence evoked....the 'I get this, it's abhorrent, but I'm laughing' response that non-geeks had at the theater I watched it at.<p>But I forget, you're fucking stroking it over your copy of Watchmen and thinking 'I'm so smart, I equated his comment on violence with real violence', so I won't bother you anymore. But, real violence is not screen violence...and my anonymous internet fuckhead, nor is internet bravado the equivalent of balls.<p>Hope you die in a fire<p>Love, Micturatingbenjamin.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    I hated Watchmen...

    by evilseabass

    I was bored out of my mind, except for the few scenes containing any action. This film had way too much dialog, too many flashbacks, a dis-jointed plot, and far too much blue dick, in all its wagging glory...

  • March 12, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    What bothers me about the squid...

    by mbeemer

    ...is that it drove the entire plot of the comic. The Comedian was killed because he witnessed the massacre of the artists who helped create the squid. (And he did it while he was on a black op, which is entirely in character.) How did he supposedly find out about Ozy's plans to nuke multiple cities? They pulled the thread that unraveled the whole thing! "They didn't have time to address it" is a pretty weak way to approach changing the cornerstone of the plot.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    LaserPants...

    by JT Kirk

    IMO, the ending was lighter. No more do we watch secondary characters - who we got to see live and breathe and give the superhero stars of the story a city to defend - die agonizing, bizarre deaths. No more do we have their heroes forced to witness in graphic detail their twisted remains and horrified death faces. Veidt as a character no longer feels identifiable to the audience, you're never really asked to understand him, he never seems like a "good guy gone bad" there, he never truly shows remorse or gets a moment where he's quietly told that all this death may be mere hubris on his hands and will undoubtedly reverse at some point. Laurie and Dan no longer walk away from their superheroics. The death of the Comedian just doesn't have the "galactic joke" reasoning to set it in motion anymore, the Comedian's death is no longer about finding a secret island full of kidnapped artists and scientists, understanding their true nature and being far beyond even his twisted view. Rorschach's death no longer seems about the choices he makes which guide his life, the true threat his resolve now poses to society. Nixon seems downright relieved when he makes his address, it's a "happy" ending. <p> As for Dr. Manhattan, he's a known commodity AND he represents 2 things the world was already afraid of before Veidt's plan went into effect: he's a superhero (the world being angry and afraid of superheroes now), and he's a nuke. The whole point of Veidt's plan in the original was to get a great variety of minds together to come up with something that would bring the world together, and those minds came up with an unknown alien from beyond the stars - Veidt merely used knowledge and tools (like genetic engineering to make Bubastis) to create a new, unknown, fantastic threat that seemed so outlandish until the world was actually faced with it being made reality.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    I'll tell you a movie that need s help

    by kikuchiyoboy

    The Wrestler <br> <br> That was a god dman fine film.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    WATCHMEN WAS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    I WILL SEE IT FOR THE 3RD TIME TOMMOROW!!

  • March 12, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I whisper "no!"

    by Funk4America

    you made a decent movie but its really not cool to try to guilt me into seeing it again because that requires you to make film that I want to see again. And you didnt make that kind of movie. It shows a level of classlessness to beg like that, and then try to be cute by making a joke about rape. no means no Mr Hayter

  • March 12, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    mbeemer...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Okay, I must be fucking shrooming. Because in the movie I saw, in the theater...it's explained why Comedian had to die. By Ozy. And it makes sense. What REALLY makes sense is that the device Ozy uses is just supposed to be the ONE in existience. Nixon knows about the one, how it can create energy, and be all destructive and shit, and Comedian of all people loses his nerve over using it. No need for a bunch of artists, writers, etc. for that ending.<p>Now, I get why you of the squid love the squid...it's what makes the book a comic book. It's what unabashedly pushes the comic into new/retread territory and comes out the other side as something new.<p>Would it have worked on the big screen? Who the fuck knows? But the time that it would take to tell that story would have been FAR too long to make the flick profitable, I think.

  • March 12, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Solid Snake speaks!

    by D.Vader

    Listen to the man.

  • March 12, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    Pathetic...

    by hegele

    "wah, give me money for the video game juvenile attempt at an adaptation of Watchmen or else you'll never see anything intelligent on screen ever again! Like, seriously!" i hope it bombs. that way they'll think twice about who they get to direct a film like this, a fanboy or a proper storyteller.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    So we've been waiting for attempted rape?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    That's a way to pump up a movie: Come on you know you want it, even if it takes rape to help you figure it out.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Oh shit, he compared the haters to a rape victim

    by D.Vader

    That's kind of hilarious.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    ANYBODY WITH A DICKBLOOD DEVIATION SCREEN NAME

    by Stengah

    Your opinion is invalid. Shut the fuck up you worthless faggots and go eat two banana cream cocks.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Also, I've never read the graphic novel...

    by evilseabass

    And now I plan to never read it. This movie was a waste of 9 perfectly good dollar bills...

  • March 12, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the rape thing...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    This is something that has made me think that the guy is a fucking retard. But, I get it, he wants to SHOCK you with his rape-talk. Dare you into going to see it.<p> I dare HIM to put his dick in a fan<p>Also, the dick's just there, guys...it doesn't wag, and yeah, in IMAX there's roughly 8.95 stories of other shit to look at...but hey, you want to keep watching every vein of his big blue hog? Yeah...that's what's bringin' YOU back to the theater. :)

  • March 12, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Don't be a "Hayter"

    by Steve Young

    You bile-filled, nit-picking fanboys give me a stomach ache. How is it that you and I can like some of the same things? The movie was really quite good. Some bad makeup, some awkward line readings, sure, but you all lose sight of the big picture: what an accomplishment this film really is, how many beats it DID hit, and within the Hollywood system! Why are you SO much more intent on dismissing a movie like Watchmen, which got it SO much better than 90% of adaptations out there? Is it "your way or the highway"? You've lost all perspective. By the way, I think the squid is too small-scale for the film. It works in the book perfectly, but the atomization/decimation of many major cities is appropriate for the big screen. And it's poetic - the world got a small taste of mutually assured destruction. (In the real world, one might argue, the squid already happened - eight years ago.) I think seeing dead bodies would have helped the horror of the thing, but it may have been overwhelming to the point of distraction in the theater, too - in the comic at least you can sit and breathe with the pages. "Watchmen" hit all the beats I wanted. Ozzy as a faded glamster? Billy Crudup's brilliant Manhattan? Night Owl jumped right off the page. You cynical fanboys really made me think I was going to hate it, but I ended up loving it.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Kubrick

    by cowsaysmoo

    When I read Watchmen the first thing I thought was that Stanley Kubrick would be the perfect director for this material. He would have stripped the story down to it's bare essentials, while keeping the dark themes and moral quandary of the ending intact. But I think Mr. Kubrick would have ultimately concluded the novel to be far too good for him to improve upon. I enjoyed the movie, and plan on seeing it again, but it wasn't a successful adaptation in my opinion. It looked great, had some awesome gore, but it was ultimately hollow. Still, it's better than anything else currently running in theaters right now.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    when movies "grow up" too much..

    by turdfurgeson

    they become The Reader. come on, we probably reached a cap for how serious we want movies about superheroes in TDK. Iron man was fun because it didn't try to be something it wasn't. I dont know why comic book films aren't comfortable with themselves as art...

  • March 12, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Superfly

    by subtlety

    I couldn't believe the soundtrack either. I just kept thinking it had to be a joke. Every single song on the soundtrack is beyond cliche at this point (they may be great songs individually, but they've been overused in films to the point of meaninglessness. "Hallelujah" was in fucking SHREK for fucks sake). <br><br>On the other hand, despite the obviousness and the sheer clunking literalness of putting "Times..." at the beginning, I actually think the sequence really works for me. In fact, the images are so strong and iconic that I think they actually made the song itself a little deeper for me (because face it, its a pretty literal, superficial song as it is, Dylan or no). The image of Dollar Bill dead, the "Lesbian Whores"... Comedian Killing JFK... for whatever reason, they really bring out a haunting quality in Dylan's voice and the instrumentation that I never noticed before. <br><br> Did Synder do this on purpose? Doubt it, given how shallow his interpretation of all the other songs are. Really, are you going to put two "riders" approaching in the howling wind ... exactly to the lyrics? Lame, lame lame. But despite the best efforts of the filmmakers to do the easiest, most superficial thing, I think the opening sequence is a home run, far far better than anything else in the movie, and for whatever weird reason its the combo of music and image that does it.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by technotranceporter

    Whatever interest in this movie was just shot to shit. Completely. Don't beg for my money. Just because the fans are loud doesn't mean shit. You have to make a movie with wide appeal. It's simple. Does it kick ass that this movie got made? Of course. Id it going to make 200 million? Doubt it. And the reason is, there are a lot of us fanboys out there, and I know a lot of them, and most of the ones I know don't care about Watchmen. They are a very vocal minority in my opinion. Now, that's not to say the movie will flop. Once it hits Blu Ray, watch out...but, a lot of us fanboys have kids. And who the fuck wants to see a child harmed just for a fucking movie? Not me...

  • March 12, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Saw this at a Tuesday Matinee

    by mr dark

    There were about 8 people in the 700 seat dome theater.. I took a friend who wouldn't know a grapic novel from a shovel.. I had read the G.N. and I thought they did a pretty damn good job of bringing this to the screen.. I asked my friend what he thought after it was over expecting him to blast it.. He enjoyed it ..probably wouldn't see it again but thought it was a noble attempt at an adult oriented super hero film. Heard him laugh out loud at some of the more humorous Rorsach lines. I would see this again in a directors cut at the theater but I probably will wait for the eventual dvd version to pick it apart at home..all in all I say go see it..and you can't fault Hayter for his letter..We all think our offspring are special. I'm sure his (baby) means a lot to him..

  • March 12, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Hey CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    by metaluna

    I'll hold my breath and count to five million the day your balls drop, your voice lowers and you get kissed by a girl, okay?

  • March 12, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    That settles it.

    by sanzaru

    I'm holding off on seeing this until it's a dvd rental, if only to keep the next decade of comic films from being shoehorned into this execrable "dark" fetish.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    It's Snyder's Film

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I just saw it, and since I knew from the previews it wasn't the way I'd recommend going about it, I decided to see if Snyder's route merited respect, and it did. I get it. Again, not the way I'd like to see it done, but it's a legit take - the sort of heightened, comic-booky thing. It works for them most part.<p>I'd say the movie is uneven; sometimes I got bored but not for too long. I think a lot of people are just scrutinizing it way too intensely, though. I watched it with as open a mind as I could and it ended up good for me. I actually liked the ending, or at least how it was handled.<p>I think where they went wrong strategically was to concentrate on character. Neither the plot nor the characters are that great in the comic, even. What greatness there is to Watchmen is the crafting of it, the almost mathematical structuring. I think that's why Alan Moore said it was really only going to work as a comic, because all that insane detail and structure could never happen in a movie. Any film based on Watchmen will be good at best because the elements of the comic that can be ported are not its strongest elements.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Wait

    by technotranceporter

    I take that back. Sorry. i haven't seen the movie yet. I'll hold off until than. Wait. I'm not going to see it.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    trashed my lights is a faggot

    by Stengah

    FUCK YOU. FAG. WITH YOUR FUCKING FAGGY GLOVES.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Why Comedian had to die

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    They absolutely explained it.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    That's bad when they have to roll out the writer for ticket sale

    by SomaShine

  • March 12, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Bjornegar

    by Viewer 3

    I like the way you think. That is all.<p><p>My problems with these movies goes far beyond just the writing or the character treatments. It's the utterly asinine directing and laughable displays of "special effects". Honestly, movies like these try so very hard to make it ridiculously obvious what the "money shot" is supposed to be. So they completely ram it down your throat.<p><p>"Ok, let's make the audience say 'WHOA COOL' by suddenly throwing everything into slo-mo during the explosion so we can get that cool shot of her quickly whipping her hair around in bullet-time, then speed it back up after the audience has gotten a good view of that smooth flowing hair-action. Then let's throw it in every trailer since it's such a badass and dope shot. Aw man the kids are gonna LOVE this."<p><p>You can (and will) argue into the ground the problems with the movie versus the source material, I don't know a damn thing about it. But as much as I enjoy David's work, people like him still just don't "get it". There ARE ways to stay faithful to the source material WITHOUT completely losing the general audience. There ARE ways to adapt a comic to a film in a serious, meaningful way instead of just throwing your hands up and saying "Welp, it's a comic, scenes like these are supposed to be cheesy". The problem is these people just don't have the skill to do it. They think that it either has to be faithful to the source material and completely lose everyone else, or make it appeal to everyone by dumbing it down and altering the story to make it "work better as an easy-to-follow-for-everyone movie". That's how limited their scope is. I can think of a billion ways movies like this could've worked better on BOTH levels even without knowing the source material. I'm no professional, it's just film-making common sense. And the people who are given these projects just don't have it.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    If this movie is so great...

    by Dead Megatron

    ...where is the freaking Squid, lameass! Are YOU the lame-ass pussing-out chikenshit of a writer who's reponsible for this shadow of used to be a wondrous, bizarre, surprising ending? CAN YOU FUCKING EXPLAIN TO ME THE RATIONALE FOR NOT HAVING THE SQUID?????? Asswipe

  • March 12, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Hurm...

    by Lampers

    ...I didn't hate it, but that was my appraisal of Indy IV, and that's a MILLION miles away from I loved it. YES, I saw it on the big screen. YES, I will see it again (time permitting, maybe more than once). But I will NEVER get over the arrogance that the "adaptor" thinks he knows better than the author. The new ending is retarded, the original transcendant. The difference is all in the IQ. 90% of the movie was made for intelligent, thoughtful individuals (yes, even the ultra violence), and then, right at the end, someone lost their (big blue?) balls and refused to give the audience the credit that they might accept the original, somewaht outlandish but oh so crucial ending. Your ending was NOT better. It not only made no sense, it dumbed down and diminished the best narrative frak you of all time. You scored SO many victories against the studio, I applaud you. But you pre-empted the ONLY battle that counted by capitulating before anyone even objected. So, this is not 2001, or Apocalypse, it's a million bloody miles from Blade Runner, Alien, the better Treks. It's closer to the 5th Element. ALMOST great, but far far to flawed to be counted in the very small pantheon of great fantasy movies. Close, but the Comedian cannot have his cigar.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    You guys don't seem to understand what he's saying

    by D.Vader

    He's not asking you guys who disliked it to see it again. <p> He's not asking those of you who are apathetic about it to go see it again. <p> PAY ATTENTION. <p> He's asking those who liked it and who *plan* to see it again to NOT delay and to see it THIS weekend since studio fucks only care about opening weekend grosses and the second week dropoff. <p> So if you hated the movie or just didn't care- fine. But stop trying to turn this around into some sort of pathetic attempt at begging for more fans.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    David Hayter is the man.

    by Psycho_Kenshin

    Call me Snake, I watch the Watchmen...

  • March 12, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Sorry, don't give a fuck about the rich getting richer

    by Liberty Valance

    Also warned my dad--who loves a good comic book movie--against going to see it, simply because he'd hate the cynical bent of this antiheroic troupe. I liked Watchmen, but I care more about my dad blowing $30 to see it with his lady than Warner Bros adding another $50 million to their money bin.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    My vote for David Hayter in the ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK remake

    by NivekJ

    Gerard Butler can voice the animated tie-in.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    he's got a point though

    by johnnylawless2

    they stuck to the original as much as could reasonably be expected, and if it tanks, we'll never see a project given as much freedom again.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Fry baskets can't hold any grease

    by Flip63Hole

    other than the grease on the fries and whatever is dripping off the metal. Fry baskets are mesh therefore "a fry-basket full of hot grease in the face" wouldn't really contain that much burning oil. Kind of ironic coming from a screenwriter but I see his point and I'll try to finally see Watchmen this weekend...

  • March 12, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    If You Are Mad There Is No Squid You Are A Silly Person

    by A-COD

    Drop the anger over no squid it is so stupid. The squid had to go, it doesn't matter. The new one is the same thing.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    LIQUID!!!!!

    by Thrillho77

  • March 12, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Kubrick Would Have Been The Perfect Director For WATCHMEN

    by LaserPants

    I couldn't possibly agree more. But I think Snyder and crew did a really great job. I can't begrudge them. For one, I really liked it, and for another I know I could have done it any better. Only someone like Kubrick could have done it perfectly. As it stands, tho, I really think they did a good job. I really loved the movie, though it is flawed. I think a solid B+ is a valid grade. Oh, and I'm sold on the Extended Directors Cut, def.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight was amazing, Watchmen was not

    by PornKing

    So I don't see it as necessary to see the movie again in order to support more films like it. I'd rather see a hundred more dark knights made, and no more watchmen.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    i liked the movie but Hayter should shut his mouth

    by newc0253

    look, artists shouldn't explain their work. artists should let their work speak for itself. because if artists have to explain what they meant or what they were trying to say, then arguably they've failed.<p> and most of all, artists shouldn't write self-justifying letters to fans in an attempt to pimp their work.<p> i think Snyder and Hayter did a decent job, except for the ending which - i'm sorry to say - they blew. not by taking out the squid but by pinning it on Dr Manhattan and not underlining Ozymandius's ultimate uncertainty. But overall i respect what they accomplished more than what they failed to get right.<p> But Hayter should still shut his mouth.<p>

  • March 12, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    THat Is To Say...

    by LaserPants

    I know I COULDN'T do any better.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Re: Trust me. You'll come back, eventually. Just like Sally.

    by fishpillow

    Fuck you man, Bitorrent here I come!

  • March 12, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    "Freedom"?

    by Lampers

    This move had financial "freedom", I'll give you that. But when you see an adaptation of Hamlet where he defeats the bad guy, gets the girl and lives happily ever after...then your "freedom" has gone too far. Seriously, how is that some literary works are beyond touching, Shakespeare especially, no-one would think fo amending any of his plot points. But within 30 years of Watchmen being published it's okay to completely rip out the narrative heart despite it having nothing wrong with it. I've thought long and hard about this, but FUCK Snyder and FUCK Hayter and especially FUCK DC and WB. How DARE you have such disrespect for inarguably the greatest graphic novel of all time. No wonder Alan Moore wants nothing to do with you, how difficult is it to adapt one of his works without completely missing the point? Apparently too difficult for the cuntulants of la-la-land. I don't blame him for washing his hand of you, tossers!

  • March 12, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    sorry fan boys aren't going to be able to carry this

    by quadrupletree

    As was pointed out already it's the word-of-mouth of average movie goers, not smiley pin wearing fan boys, that is going to kill this movie. And rightly so, the average movie goer was expecting something else, and this comes completely out of left field and "cracks them in the jaw". They're leaving unhappy. If this was marketed differently that wouldn't be the case, but then it was marketed like a blockbuster and you and your team let them market it that way because if you were to have said to the studio "hold on there, this is a movie 'by fans for fans'" they would have had second thoughts about the massive budget they poured into it. So it is what it is. I for one (as a fan) think you guys did a marvelous job with it. But I have no delusions that it's going to tank, and no matter how many times I see it that's not going to change. Sorry David.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    All this talk of Kubrick has gotten me to thinking...

    by Forthesakeofhumanity

    ...how would Kubrick have approached this material differently, and what kind of film would we have ended up with from him? Would Kubrick have even opted make a film adaptation of Watchmen at all (if the problem of trying to adapt the material was put to him hypothetically), or would he have agreed with Alan Moore and ultimately dismissed it as unfilmable? I really want this movie to do well (for all the reasons stated by Hayter), and for the record I really enjoyed the movie for what it was and felt that overall it stayed true to the spirit of the GN (when accepting the fact that by the necessary simplification of the original medium from its various forms of print to a singular motion picture format, any adaptation of the GN couldn't hope to reproduce the original material verbatim and fully retain all the elements that contributed to its greatness. Plus with the need to condense the material for a palatable running time) and I've seen it twice already, and will certainly pick up the uncut Blu-Ray when it's released and I think this film will come into its own on this format! (By the way, don't Blu-Ray and DVD sales exert a far greater influence on studio decisions these days, much like the Box Office?) However, with regard to Hayter's attempt to somehow influence the overall Box Office takings of Watchmen by appealing to what is essentially a small minority of hardcore fans, the unfortunate truth is that the 'dumb masses' will ultimately dictate the overall success of your movie, not us. To quote (possibly yourself), "Miracles by their definition are meaningless, only what can happen does happen." So, you should already know that rallying the fans in an attempt to artificually create a Box Office 'miracle' for Watchmen is an exercise in futility - though I certainly join you in hoping Watchmen does well enough commercially to empower all you writers with the flexibility to produce many more challenging and interesting mainstream works for us to enjoy in the future...

  • March 12, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    I would have seen this five times if it had the squid...

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    ...just for the sheer HOLY SHIT! A GIANT FUCKING MONSTER factor. But I like that shit. I saw Cloverfield twice just for that. I'll see Watchmen twice but if it had the squid I would've seen it more and in the IMAX. Just sayin'.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    jesus christ

    by wixmmm

    How do people still have trouble understanding the new ending??? Its been blatantly obvious, even before the movie cameout-- for cying out loud-- IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT DOC MANHATTEN WAS AMERICAN!!! It is completely beyond me that people think that the us would get attacked because of something doc man did... FUCKING AMERICA WAS ATTACKED TOO!!! Say there's a military guy, american, and masterminds a massive terrorist attack on america and another country--by some idiots logic, that would mean that America should be attacked because an american terrorist attacked america and another country. It is fucking simple to understand... the amount of stupidity i have read on this topic is absolutely baffling.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Kubrick...

    by Lampers

    ...would have mucked it up, had some pseudo-intellectual sex BS and too much emphasis on the psychopaths (no doubt he loved Kovaks!). It would have been like all his adaptations, impressive only because it was the first. Guy shoulda been a cinematographer, had less of an inkling of narrative than Tarantino at his worst, and that is NOT a complement.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Seeing it tomorrow...

    by Cult07

    ...on IMAX this time!

  • March 12, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    This film will make its money back..

    by mr dark

    It may take a while but for sure it will make back the production and marketing costs. I see this film getting a second wind even though as I said above the matinee I saw on tuesday was like a ghost town..but it was tuesday at 11:00 am and the three girls in front of me giggled at blue cock. So I showed them mine and they screamed..

  • March 12, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Lampers

    by D.Vader

    Based on your post Im forced to conclude you are a moron.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    "Manhattan was an American..."

    by Lampers

  • March 12, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    by Lampers

    ...would not have concerned others, well yes, other Americans! I assure you, that fact would have been of premium relevance to non-Yanks, and especially so to te Russians!

  • March 12, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Man, the geeks went...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...They even got a lot of normals through the doors. I loved the film, but no offence to My Hayter, it's just a film for most people. When he says they will never allow another film like this again, I had to chuckle, since while watching the film I couldn't believe a studio would make it in the first place.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    if hes got the balls to right that letter...

    by Obscura

    then he was the right guy for the job. and hes right, even if you hate this movie, if it tanks, then say goodbye to anyone ever taking a risk on any movie that isnt as obvious and long standing as batman.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Why do people do this?

    by CherryValance

    <p>It never comes off as anything other than self-serving. I saw it for a second time yesterday. I liked it a lot the first time and I liked it a lot the second time. But I still have the same minor problems with it. The movie didn't change from Friday to Wednesday. Saying that it needs to be watched twice is basically saying people didn't know what they were watching, if they didn't love everything about it, and that they need to see it again because they were obviously mistaken about something. Pissing off your base is re-tard-ed and that's exactly what that does. </p> <p>Oh, and why the hell would I laugh at Ziggy Stardust or Silhouette unless I was some kind of goddamn homophobe?</p> <p>If that remake with the Rock wasn't a remake with the Rock, I'd go see it just for spite. :p </p>

  • March 12, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    i thought the movie was FUCKING A!

    by Vitter

    sadly i do not live in the us to add to the bo. On another hand, David Hayter Rocks! he is mother fucking snake, and a helluva writer! even though some bits of the letter felt weird.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    I wanted heart, not balls.

    by robotdevil

    I liked Watchmen and I've seen it twice already, but I honestly feel Snyder (and possibly Hayter) didn't really understand the material at all and the above letter from Hayter is the smoking gun.... defy me to say this movie had balls? Uh ok.... except, in the 25 years I've been waiting for a Watchmen movie i've never once had a thought even remotely close to "it better have balls". I wanted to be smart and have feeling... I couldn't give a shit if Rorschach melting some guy with fry oil was in there... or any of the other graphic violence that Hayter thinks of as "balls".... I always considered that stuff totally incidental and non-essential to Watchmen. Hayter and Synder seem to think fanboys liked Watchmen because shock value and gore content.... nothing could be further than the truth. Again, I liked Watchmen... but it all felt a bit "off" to me... and now I guess I know why.... the filmmakers were waaaaaaay too obsessed with giving the movie a totally unneeded and inappropriate set of "balls".

  • March 12, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Lampers

    Why? Because I don't subscribe to the "unquestioned lie" that Kubruck HAS to be a genius because everyone says so? ALL of his most memorable works were adaptations of other people work. Usually adaptations that lost considerable amounts of the power of the original. Like I said, guy knew how to frame a shot, but not how to direct an actor, compose a scene or do ANYTHING original with a camera. Personal opinion, granted. But I've seen more films than you and I've seen better by directors you haven't even heard of. Not showing off, just a fact xxx

  • March 12, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    NO! NOOOOOO NOT ANOTHER WATCHMEN STORY

    by Sal_Bando

    WE GET IT HAROLD YOU LIVE EAT AND BREATHE WATCHMEN HELL FUCKING YOKO SHOULD BE SILK SPECTRE IN THE NEXT ONE IN THE SERIES WE'LL ALL PITCH IN AND GIVE YOU SOME PRODUCTION IDEAS AND MONEY JUST PLEASE SPARE US MORE OF THESE STORIES FOR AWHILE!!! THE CATS NOW KNOW MORE ABOUT WATCHMEN THEN THE LOCALS COMIC BOOK GUYS AND THE BEAGLES NOW ARE ON ON A FIRST NAME BASIS WITH FUCKING NITE OWL. GIVE IT A REST AND GET SOME FUCKING TRANSFOMERS SHIT UP HERE WE CAN ABUSE YOU FOR.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    the graphic novel was boooooorrriiinnnggg!

    by tvs_frank

    why should I go see a movie based on a graphic novel that is too fucking boring for me to even give a shit about? and before one of you jerk offs tells me I can't understand all the little nuances and stupid nerd crap like that- get over yourselves. greatest comic book ever?! puhlease.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    evilseabass...

    by JRyanH

    paul blart is still showing at your local theater. seems like that would have been the movie for you.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    FUCK THIS GUY!

    by TheEnemy8

    NO SHIT, YOU DID PUSS OUT. The movie is beautiful, and totally TAKES from the graphic novel. But it didn't take the POINT. and it didn't stay as dark as it should have. You guys rewrote the ending and you DID NOT make me think. You DID NOT make me debate shit except whether the movie was good or bad. Seriously, get a clue. You fucked up that ending.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    JAMES CAMERON WILL DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY

    by Vitter

    AND THE FUCKED EYEBALLS OF 2009 BE DAMNED TOO

  • March 12, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    What a crock of Sleestack shit

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Begging fans to see it again because if it falls off of the face of the earth, no one will make another one like it! <p>GOOD! <p> Make something better then it wont fall off of face of earth.

  • March 12, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Even this letter is overrated

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • March 12, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Quadrupletree & TopFiveVideo

    by DeeJay

    Quad... you hit the hammer on the nail. The film didn't even seem to match its trailer. That's fine for those of us who read the books, but it just doesn't do it for the general viewer. It's reminiscent of "Best Defense" which was heavily marketed as an Eddie Murphy movie in his heyday--- and which filmgoers soon learned was, ummm, "less" than accurate. TopFive... "this letter reads like a soccer mom trying to get the coach to start her son" is pretty dead on. You only left out the part where she starts cussin' once he still says no. I mean, Hayter's "come back Sally" closing line was rather unnerving when you think about it. For his own sake, I hope it doesn't move too far beyond the genre community. The guy has talent, but he and his team looks as if they're just going to have to take one this time. They'll be back.

  • March 12, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    Hayter gots ta eat!

    by kirttrik

    I thought I'd bring it back old school with this post.

  • March 12, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    Solid Snake, you had me at hello

    by raystevensonwarzone

    No need to pour it on like this Hayter. It was an awesome movie, and bloody as fuck, what more could I have possibly asked for?

  • March 12, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    phaedrus007

    by wixmmm

    phaedrus007, i liked the movie, but i wanted to LOVE THE SHIT OUT OF IT. I wanted to love it more than my first born child (sarcasm) but i thought it was good. Could it have b een better? of course. Do I know how it could have been better? no chance. phaedrus007, of all the people who have spoken negetively about the movie, your post was the most constructively critical take on the movie by miles and miles and miles. After reading your post, I feel like I actually understand what was wrong with it, and it wasn't obvious to me. So many talkbackers are compensating for shitty lives so they lash out because they can't in the real world. I think alot of talkbackers could learn something from the way you critiqued it. seriously, well done.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    One Word, "Squid".

    by kirttrik

    This could of all been avoided.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah...fuck that.

    by veebeeyes

    I didn't like the movie. And even if I did like it, I'd probably deliberately avoid seeing it again just because of this pathetically desperate plea. Look, I appreciate what the movie tried to do, and I respect the hell out of everyone involved even though I thought the movie sort of sucked. But to anyone trying to guilt trip me into seeing it again, as if it's somehow MY responsibility to make sure that these kinds of movies continue to get made, all I have to say is "fuck that." I didn't like it so I'm not gonna pay to watch it again. That's it. If you wanted me to see it again then you guys should have made a better movie. And if I'm just an idiot and the movie was totally fucking awesome, well then you don't need my money. Just stop. This is actually just sad. I didn't like the movie, but I at least had respect for all involved. But when you have to freaking beg people to see it again just to keep its second week box office figures up, then that is lame and you can fuck right off. PS: Don't worry David, I still love you. You were awesome as Solid Snake.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Kubrick

    by enderandrew

    Gave us 2001, Full Metal Jacket, and A Clockwork Orange, so he isn't crap. I forgive him for Eyes Wide Shut, because he was old and dying. As for Kubrick handling the source material better, do you guys realize he completely cut the 21st chapter of the novel, which is the ending? Burgess hated him for that.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    does just watching the bootleg count?

    by nooneimportant

    just wondering.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Kubrick's Ending Is Better, Though

    by LaserPants

    At the very least, its darker, more twisted. Burgess' original ending was actually rather optimistic.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Watchmen = Crystal Pepsi

    by Feetals_Gizz

    Sorta tasted like it, with something to really catch your eye, but leaves a bad taste in your mouth at the very end. I was all for a 'new' twist on the ending. I had high hopes for it...but making the Doc the bad guy totally changes the point Moore was trying to make with the story. No matter who the hell you are, how powerful you are, even if you drop a damn a-bomb on people's heads they are still people and it never ends. Ozy gave the world a villain, a tangible one they were familiar with, one they knew. The squid was more relevant, it was mysterious, it was lovecraftian, it was a neutral enemy that could unite a world. I let everything else slide until the end...when Bubastis shows up for no reason (was Adrian even working on cloning tech? I had to answer that damned question like six times after the movie). Invoking Kubrick, the Dark Knight and Bladerunner is RETARDED. You didn't make a Bladerunner, you made a Starship Troopers. It was good, but not great. It should have been great.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Eep

    by LaserPants

    This doesn't sound good:<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/cgyx3z

  • March 12, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I'll be honest, I've taken as many drugs as Alan Moore has

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    I mean, there's no shame, it was in the papers, and I'm clean living now. Sober and ready to fuck shit up. But lemme just say that you cannot discount what serious amounts of mescaline and peyote can do to you man. I mean sure you think it's funny he talks to a snake god named Glycon. Buddy, I had fuckin drinks with Glycon. I drove him to his Mom's house.<p> Just to be straight up here, I'm saying that there is an amount of drugs that Alan Moore did that made him a total genius and batshit insane. So fuckin crazy he actually - get this - is not afraid to analyze and deconstruct his own artistic process. And he purposely and very delibertely used Watchmen as the first example of basically using subliminals and sigils and hidden occult symbols in a work of comics. The thing about the squid is that if you look back, the book Watchmen is nothing more than a giant subliminal magic trick. The squid is there all along. It's building up to it bit by bit in secret coded ways so that when it hits your brain is taken out of its typical subconscious reference.<p> Take it from me, a guy who used to mix cocaine and steroids in the speedball.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Scissors! 61!

    by sonic3305

    ...I'm already seeing it again this weekend, IMAX this time. I thought the letter was sincere.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Best sales pitch I've read for a movie in a long time.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Brutally honest. I think I will go to it again. Gotta support the genre! Gotta support Rorschach! One of the best Crimefighters in movie history.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kenny Powers You Fuckin' Has Been!

    by LaserPants

    Yo, why don't you become a gym teacher you friggin' juicer.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    wixmmm

    by robotdevil

    thanks man. I feel EXACTLY the same way... i wanted to LOVE it and it just wasn't quite right. At the same time I enjoy it, and feel disappointed by it. Sigh.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kenny Powers You Fuckin' Has Been!

    by LaserPants

    Yo, why don't you become a gym teacher you friggin' juicer.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kenny Powers You Fuckin' Has Been!

    by LaserPants

    Yo, why don't you become a gym teacher you friggin' juicer.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kenny Powers You Fuckin' Has Been!

    by LaserPants

    Yo, why don't you become a gym teacher you friggin' juicer.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kenny Powers You Fuckin' Has Been!

    by LaserPants

    Yo, why don't you become a gym teacher you friggin' juicer.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kenny Powers You Fuckin' Has Been!

    by LaserPants

    Yo, why don't you become a gym teacher you friggin' juicer.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kenny Powers You Fuckin' Has Been!

    by LaserPants

    Yo, why don't you become a gym teacher you friggin' juicer.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kenny Powers You Fuckin' Has Been!

    by LaserPants

    Yo, why don't you become a gym teacher you friggin' juicer.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    where is the reaction of AICN

    by Basehead

    you just blatantly post this without any intro? no thoughts? no opinion? hit me with your excuse.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Why isn't David Hayter playing Ricky Gervais' brother?

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    Like seperated at birth man... Sometimes I watch The Office, when I'm high, and I picture David Brent talking in Solid Snake's voice.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Sorry David

    by Zarathos666

    I admire your commitment, but I don't buy your ending (and yes, it is YOUR ending). I don't mind a change if it's for the better, but your version creates more problems that it solves. Sorry.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    No, But That Was A Great Write Up, Kenny

    by LaserPants

    I didn't realize how much you were into the WATCHMEN.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Kubrick...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...His lolita was a failure, Strangelove is so much better than the source material, that in effect the source material doesn't even count. 2001, likewise. But then we get A Clockwork Orange. His most poorly made film, and a truly crappy adaptation of a great book, with, yep, an inferior ending. The Shining and Barry Lyndon are quite different from the books, but also equally as good. Full Metal Jacket, not much of a film, but not much of a book either. Then we get Eyes Wide Shut, which fucking sucks as a book and a film. I've never quite grasped the reverence for Kubrick. Like Hitchcock, he's undeniably great at making films. But the overall package seems pretty average, when you realise hes made a couple of good films and two great films. Then again, Hitchcock had Psycho and not much else.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    I have wrestled with my demon the steroids, and for me reconnecting with childern is just part of getting back on top, winning the trust of those without pubes or fetishes can make a man's soul purified before the cleansing hurricane comes.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    I loved it...

    by theneonsamurai

    which means it's probably not for everyone.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    On the Clockwork note...

    by Feetals_Gizz

    The book ends with Alex realizing what he is, where he's at, and Pete is all on the up and up actually makes it end on such a bigger downer. If it was made today and if Stan was still alive, it would have ended like the book (which Stanley wanted in the first place). But we like our happy 'carry the kryptonite island off into space, ya deadbeat superdaddy' endings. Or so the know-it-alls in Hollywood keep making, anyways.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Too many haters.

    by nogirlsontheinternet

    I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Yes, I saw the flaws in it, the plot holes, the missing squid - regardless of all of that, I still thought the movie was great. If you put the comic book aside and just look at the movie as a whole, I can't imagine anyone telling me that the movie itself isn't completely wonderful.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Laser, my experiences with Watchmen

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    are very different from the rest of my life. You have to understand that I read Watchmen in a 72 hour binge after eating irish stew contianing magic mushrooms, crack rocks, and the shit they give preop dykes who want to get dick implants. It was perhaps my darkest day, for in that 72 hours I read Watchmen 12 times, as well as Nabokov's Pale Fire and even some Denis Diderot. This is what drugs will do to you. Before that i was strictly a Grisham kinda guy.<p> On the other hand, don't give me too much credit, cause Watchmen has lots of pictures.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    He played the Guyver, you know...

    by Raymar

  • March 12, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    David Hayter may be Guyver, but Paul Rudd is a Gen-Y cop

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    a brash american cop who will take you down, a loose cannon with kung fu and american know how. That's right, Paul Rudd is an action star.<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAwxdMKlTog

  • March 12, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    I saw it again tonight

    by superfleish76

    and I liked it more than the first time...not that I didn't like it the first time. The only thing I didn't like, was the guy in the row in front of us that brought his 4 or 5 year old son to see it. Who brings a kid that young to fuckin' Watchmen?

  • March 12, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    Thats yet another fucking retard article written by a halfwitted imbecile. Wait, overseas Watchmen didn't perform as well as films like The Hulk or Spider Man?! No Fucking shit! You don't say! In other news, expectations were not met for Towelhead, which with unlike The Dark Knight, did not earn over 100 million in its first weekend of release. So, lets get this straight, if I predict that film will open with a certain number, and it fails to make that number, its a dissapointment? Well, I'm calling a 44 billion one day opening for Transformers 2. I hope it doesn't flop.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    I''m giving up watching Watchmen for Lent

    by Sydney2K

    I was looking forward to seeing the Watchmen, but haven't got around to it yet either. Also, I've been needing to sacrfice something for Lent as well. So for next few weeks I'm donating the money I would have spent seeing Watchmen (or any other movie) to Lent charities. Sorry, David.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    The only reason this should fail is

    by OutlawsDelejos

    to stop a puss arse sequel being made. A good return would guarantee 1 or 2 more seeing as all the actors signed a 3 picture deal. A tidy profit but not enough to warrant a follow up is all the makers should want. So fuck em.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    BTW if there's one movie that reminds me of drug hell

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    it has to be that fucking creepy ass Coraline. I saw that shit in 3d and thought someone had dosed my free refill 64 oz diet coke.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    I have my problems with the flick...

    by Feetals_Gizz

    ...but I didn't hate it, it just was coitus interruptus towards the end. SOme people like it, some don't. That's thier opinion. What's fucking stupid is the screenwriter pandering his wares like a orange and strawberry corner jockey. THE FATE OF HOLLYWOOD IS IN YOUR HANDS!!!! GO SEE MY MOVIE, I SWEAR i WON'T GET A KICK BACK!! Fuck you. If they got it right the first time...meh...that argument is exhausted. IF LAURIE WASN'T SMOKING WHY THE FUCK DID SHE PRESS THE FLAMETHRWOER BUTTON? It's a button....with a flame on it. Let's press it!

  • March 12, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    I'm going to try. Saw it twice. Loved it.

    by knowthyself

  • March 12, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    OK, let me get this straight...

    by jsarnold513

    Because one "serious," "faithful" (and expensive to produce) comic adaptation isn't doing well at the box office, that means that Hollywood studios will never roll the dice on a single challenging film again? Yeah... they'll forget all about The Dark Knight and some of the other successful (and good, and faithful in spirit) comic book adaptations out there. Watchmen is a very flawed film. The source material was great, and despite trying to make things *look* the same as they do in the GN, Snyder and the screenwriters made some bad choices on what to include and what to leave out. That ending is a hollow mess, devoid of all the haunting little things that gave the GN ending its weight (yes, regardless of the Squid, the resolution and treatment of the plot points was horribly done in the film compared to the GN). I know there were studio-mandated cuts, so I'll cut Snyder some slack for the way he cut Rorschach's origin way too short, but that ending... that ending just felt emotionally fake, whereas the GN's resonates. Squid or no Squid, that's the film's biggest problem.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Well don't go crying when you don't see

    by knowthyself

    Anymore R rated movies like this for adults.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Most of you need to read more carefully

    by BillboeFett

    He didn't say go see it again if you disliked it. He didn't say go see it again if it was "meh". He said for those who liked it, or *MOSTLY* liked it, except for a few gripes, go see it again THIS weekend. And he said if you were ALREADY planning on seeing it again, make it this weekend, for the weekend box office. Why should you? So other movies like this, rated-R, ballsy (heart or not) can be made. Period. Its reason enough. I'm sorry if you were offended by his perceived-as-panhandling letter, but get over it.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    jsarnold513, read more carefully

    by BillboeFett

    read more carefully. He didn't say Hollywood won't greenlight movies like the Dark Knight. Batman had always had a leg-up, and Batman Begins was a test-model and overperformed and bought TDK its chance. Unknown projects like Watchmen (unknown to many studios and most audience members) have a much harder time getting greenlight, and if greenlit, keeping the studio interferance to a minimum. Yes, really good ALREADY-ACCEPTED movies like TDK will be greenlit and made. But lesser-known projects that are iffy, and rated-R, won't. The studios will say "we're not going to have another Watchmen".

  • March 12, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    This movie was marketed heavily?

    by jsarnold513

    Really? I've seen an occasional ad on Comedy Central and some (surprisingly underwhelming) PR pieces in the news, but aside from that and the great viral marketing stuff on youtube, I really didn't see much marketing for this movie once the Fox lawsuit dropped. It always seemed to me like whatever the settlement was, the marketing from then on was half-hearted at best. If they'd been giving out Smiley-Face buttons as a marketing gimmick, that would've probably worked better. Hell, aside from "blue dong," "weird," and "violent" there wasn't much buzz about this movie at all. What the hell reason did the studio give non-fans of the GN to see this movie?

  • March 12, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    whatever

    by redkamel

    the comic was way better. I dont know why. The movie was accurate. But I think if you saw the movie without reading the comic, it wouldnt have made much sense. The problem is, a comic book takes hours to read and you can digest it. The movie took three hours. The multiple plots just seemed thinner to me. Dont know why. Sorry. Good movie, but if you want to know what watchmen is, read the book.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    I do put some blame on the trailers and tv spots

    by BillboeFett

    but seriously, if we were sitting in front of the editing bay, how differently would we edit it? I don't know, myself. And there's no way we're going to be able to stop the "Pete Travers of the LA TIMES calls it non-stop slam-bang action!!" That kind of quoting is always going to happen. Studios need to put it on their tv spots like crack whores need to put it in their bodies.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    WB took alot of risks with Watchmen.

    by knowthyself

    The cast. The running time. The rating. The nude manhattan. The gore. The violence. This is what Hayter is talking about. Next time a director wants to do a three hour cut the studios will tell him no and force a PG13 rating on the film.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    bordering on the impossible?

    by TheMcflyFarm

    Come on Snake, yea it's REALLY hard to remain faithful to the source material of any property. It's not like there's already a storyboard to work with before beginning pre-production or anytbing...

  • March 12, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    He has a VALID point. Warners showed BALLS

    by slder78

    by making this film. If it's a "failure" the Tom Rothmans of the world will now and forever produce crap like Fantastic Four and directors like Brett Ratner will be called upon to direct them. <p> The opening credits alone are the most imaginative opening to a movie of the last decade. WB and Snyder should be rewarded for that.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    You ingrates.

    by knowthyself

    All the haters. Buncha ungrateful spoiled brats.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    When WATCHMEN cinema story start at theatre?

    by Ninefootwalk

    Soon I please hope! This man who write make me glad to see soon with what they say!

  • March 12, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Warners showed some brass fucking blue balls allright

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    when they called Zack Snyder a visionary. That's swollen up balls!

  • March 12, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    No, Lampers, not because of your Kubrick opinion

    by D.Vader

    I didn't even read your Kubrick opinion. Its because of the way you argue your points, even ripping off a weak argument that Masswyrm made on this very site. <p> But you gave me yet another reason to call you a moron: your unprovable, unasked for, and ultimately unneeded statement (bc honestly, who the fuck cares?) that *you* have seen more films than me. A conclusion you came to because of only ONE post from me. <p> "But I've seen more films than you and I've seen better by directors you haven't even heard of." <p> Really? Do you realize how much of a laughing stock you are for such a ridiculous assertion based on a singular comment from me that was 100% not film-related?

  • March 12, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah I dunno...

    by StrokerX

    I'll wait for the super extended edition. <p> Though I did love the Snow Owl Suit.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Wasn't the Spirit rated R?

    by jsarnold513

    I'm sure Frank Miller and everyone involved with that tried to make a good movie, too. But they didn't. Did we all owe some debt to the filmmakers for making a disappointing film in hopes that if we support an underwhelming it might lead to better ones down the road? 300 was an R-rated, little known comic adaptation that was huge at the box office. So was Sin City. I doubt the successes of those two will be forgotten because Watchmen only broke even with DVD sales. The movie business is always hit or miss, and as stupid as execs are, the one thing they do see is money and marketing potential. Watchmen was targeted at young men in their 20s and early 30s, same as most people, and it only got greenlit because studios saw violence + special effects + superheroes + sex scene as = profit. They will still see this in the future for other projects. They'll still get made. Maybe not with bloated $150 budgets, but they will get made.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Yeah right, so faithful...

    by schnipple

    You had to completely change the ending. F*** you! It's like they know they f***ed up so they're going around with this massive campaign to establish this ludicrous idea that they were so faithful. It reminds me of politics in the worst way. Was not faithful and also Snyder cannot direct actors and does not have any handle on material dealing with real emotions or intellect. He should just be called in for 2nd camera work on the S-L-O-W-M-O-....

  • March 12, 2009, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' pathetic

    by JuanSanchez

  • March 12, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    OK, I'll give you balls...

    by jsarnold513

    The studio showed some balls. But the director (and screenwriters) still delivered a flawed film that doesn't stand up well on its own. I am grateful for all the sacrifices and chances everyone took to get this film on the screen, but unfortunately they made some bad choices and the movie's a mixed bag because of them. If you loved the movie, by all means do as Hayter says and see it on the 2nd weekend so the studio looks at it more positively, but personally I don't want to see it again until the extended version hits on DVD. Hopefully then some of the complaints I've had will be resolved, but there's still that crap "new" ending to dump all over the first 2 1/2 hrs of a fine film (Rorschach's horribbly abreviated origin aside).

  • March 12, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Seeing it for third time this weekend

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    Fuck the haters. (Not you Hayter, lol.) The movie is pure chocolate-covered pussy juice brilliance.

  • March 12, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Get over yourself

    by BendersShinyAss

    Watchmen may have had hundreds of people put in hours of blood, sweat & tears but it was all let down by a director (who may have a good vision but) with absolutely no idea how to cut a film together. Peter Jackson syndrome? <p> You want to see a 3 hour film just drift by in no time, talk to kevin costner, Mel Gibson, Peter Weir. <p> This film may hold itself in high regard but here are a couple films which sping to mind which 'did it' better. <p> Dark other worldly (Batman 89) <p> cringe worthy horror scenes (Evil dead 1, 2 & 3) <p> raunchy sex (Highlander 3, the big hit - with the chicken) <p> Over all dark and bleak tone with a desperation to set things right but with little chance of success (Revenge of the sith) <p> 3 hours of easy flowing action (Dances with wolves, Master and commander) <p> here's a question... why does this film have no fucking score???? THAT is death to any film

  • March 12, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    I am a geek who hates geek culture.

    by IronSpidey

    Watchmen was far from a perfect adaptation, but I had a great time seeing it anyways. After all the analysis and comparisons, I keep going back to that fact. Even if the creators of the film didn't "get it" or whatever, they have so much more respect for the material than most in show business. If I wanted no changes, and the exact same tone and look, I would just read the fucking comic again. Hating things is the new loving them in geek culture I guess, have fun.

  • March 12, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    i actually finally saw it this morning....

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... i want to see it again - but not this weekend - got a bad tooth ache - i liked it a lot - it was a really good visually splendid entertaining 2+ hour MOVIE - its just a fucking movie you knuckle heads - the book was great and deserves all its accolades - the movie is just a good movie based on a great book - next year there will be some other big buzz movie on everyones minds (maybe "the road") - the movie was unsettling and a bit disturbing - like the comic book - and that to me is a triumph - im glad it got made and made the way it is - its not the book but its a good movie - best 3 hr r-rated superhero movie ive ever - i hope the blu ray includes the motion comic and the black freighter cartoon seen

  • March 12, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Silk Spectre

    by The Fear

    If it was so loyal where was Lauries hatred for the comedian in the script?

  • March 12, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST

    "seen"

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • March 12, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Was Hayter drunk when he wrote that?

    by The_Goddamn_Batman

    "Well, I f***ing dare you to say any one of those things about this movie." <P> Nice ramble, Dave, but sadly I have to say all those things about your movie. <P> For the record, I've seen it twice at IMAX and I'll probably buy the DVD, so there's you're support, but honestly, it's more than this movie deserves. <P> It does have its moments, but really that's just when it occasionally mimics the book successfully. It never finds its own footing, and the rest of the time it feels like something between a bad amateur dramatics play of the comic and some kind of Meet the Spartans spoof (specifically of Apocalypse Now and Kubrick).<p> As for seeing the movie more than once compared with reading the "novel" again? The book's ending leaves you reeling, compelling you to revisit it, and when you do you find so many hidden messages and easter eggs. The film? You need to see it again in the hope it improves. Which it does, somewhat, in so far as you know what to expect. <P> And after seeing it twice, I just think you and Snyder missed the point. You missed the point with your portrayal of Adrian, you missed the point with Rorschach's pivotal flashback (everything else with him was great though), you missed the point with the chainsaw scene, and you really missed the point with the ending.<P> And you've openly said that that was a choice you made. So, if it drops off the radar after the first weekend, you only have yourself to blame. <P> You could have written a unique, brain-frying jaw-dropping finale that ripped unsuspecting movie-goers' minds open and then chilled them to the marrow. Instead you burped out a hum-drum forgettable finish. Word of mouth, baby.<P> <I>No wonder you're here now, sitting on the edge of the talkbackers' bed, drunk and crying like a baby.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    I hate Geekdom so much right now! We deserve all the shit to co

    by Redbox Vacation

    He's very right. <BR> I think this movie has taught me why Sci-Fi deserves to live mediocrity. <BR> Shows like Battlestar Gallactica, movies like Watchmen are made because someone who cares and is a fan has a little power, when they fail, that voice is extinguished and replaced by another idiot Hollywood douche. I can find fault with this film in comparison with the masterpiece the book is, but not in comparison with other films. <BR> In its imperfection it is Fellini meets Apocalypse Now, meets X-men. An entirely new movie, like I have never seen and I can't wait to see the director's cut. My god we will never see Hollywood even try this again because its not mainstream enough for popcorn movie fans and "Arthouse Film" lovers are too snobby to watch a "supehero movie." It is a hybrid and an original vision, no matter how much it owes to the book, it is flawed but brilliant and all the people who vehemently hate it will forget their arrogance as it follows "Blade Runner" and other "under appreciated in their own time" milestones into historical beloved status. Those who call it "pseudo intellectual" are snobs in decline. Those who tell you it's a comic and should not be made into a film, forget that it is indeed still a comic, and that 90% of all film, from the beginning of time is inspired from literature. Those who take their children and then get angry that its and R rated movie, well...grow up...it's an R rated movie. <BR> I'm walking out after Watchmen. I peer out into the world seeing little connection to my peers. Like Silvia Plath during the Rosenberg trials, I have no idea who to relate to and where I'll find my bearings. A world so obviously lost to its own context. If I were to design a context to all the views and voices that have lashed out with arrogance and populism, it would be like this: <BR> We live in a cultural mix of sophisticated infancy. On one hand, those striving to be considered as well thought and tasteful vacillate between two poles. <BR> The scornful erudites; those who truly get the profundity of culture, art, science, craft and all refined achievements while often missing many of the shifting paradigms that break from their precious cannon of formerly rebellious and now commonly held conventions. Paradigms that often re-ignite the very lust to create that birthed the things they find precious in life. <BR> The hollow but sly trend watchers, who possess uncanny but limited vision into the heart of practical one-upsmanship. Not spectacularly concerned or able to cope with profound and deeply unmanageable "big picture" bits of philosophical, theological or sociological systems, these bureaucratic chameleons study the guise and traits of the positions they find most fulfilling or personally aspiring and make their nest there, happy and content in the bitter, but structurally protective institutions of "after the risk" and "before the fall." <BR> Neither are prepared or inspired to take chances. They have not witnessed the burden of those who do, but they have great appreciation for the calamity, the spectacle and the risk it will incur their nests and utopias. <BR> On the other hand, somewhere off in a more definable realm, people want shit to do. They want to throw off their fucking jobs and responsibilities, relax with a fucking beer, talk some shit with friends, fuck their chick or dude and make the time between 9 and 5 go as far away as it possibly can. They don't connect with big brained bullshit, they don't question shit that makes them upset or gives them a fucking panic attack. They don't aspire to luxury in the form of the profundity of the collective accomplishments of humanity. They share the perspective of the social construct. They know only short escapes. They are bored with all but the most intoxicating thrills and numbing agents. They are for the most part, unaware or excited by the heights of their visual sophistication and numb to modern communication methods that would keep their forefathers in their closets, bible in hand, wishing away hellspawn. <BR> None of them, the snob, the hack nor the laymen appreciate the goods that have been put in front of them. <BR> Many have written essays on why they won't be watching watchmen. Moore is right, instead of inspiring us to break convention, pompous bloggers, film critics and others hug convention and use it to somehow soapbox their own opinions. For the most part the "Watchmen reaction" is in its explosive nature and volume, proof of it's impact. <BR> I'm a bit sick with the loss of true film critique. The snobs deem it unworthy by genre, the simples think it's boring because it doesn't cater to their need for fast paced thrills, the fans deem it not the book. as if it could be. <BR> The people who seem the most clear are the folks who never read the book, who when they love it, recognize it as something entirely new to film.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Snyder getting this film was depressing...

    by TheWaqman

    Terry Gilliam, Paul Greengrass and Darren Aronofsky were considering making it. Instead we got fucking shit head Snyder. The movie was shite. I would probably give it a C- or a D. Terrible acting and horrible soundtrack. Also the over the top violence was lame. All problems were Snyder's fault, that's clear.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight shits all over this movie

    by TheWaqman

  • March 12, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Hey BendersShinyAss

    by D.Vader

    A TB a bit ago, I had a convo going with TheOriginalBubblehead and I mentioned I was one of the only guys from the "old days" still hanging around here. <p> You replied telling me the same thing as you are to Hayter, to "Get over yourself", and proceeded to "educated" me that there are lots of people at AICN who have been here for 12 yrs too. <p> What you misunderstood was this: Bubblehead and I still have our same names and were part of a core group of posters that posted at the very first AICN message board. When I said I'm the only one still around, I meant the only one from that group 12 years ago. <p> I'm sure you don't give a shit, but I meant to set you right.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Fuck the AICN geeks...

    by TheWaqman

    trying to deem this film the new Blade Runner. Oh how fucking depressing you people can be. And fuck the editors of this site for throwing too many stories on this film. FFS I don't even think Avatar will get this much AICN postings when it releases. And Dark Knight didn't get it either, yet it was clear that was so fucking vastly superior to this mediocre shit.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Iron Man was better too, as was Spiderman..3!

    by TheWaqman

  • March 12, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Billboefett...

    by veebeeyes

    I still say "fuck that". I watch shit when and if I want to. Makes not ONE fucking difference if I loathed it or if I thought that it was amazing. I still might prefer to wait until it's out on DVD before I bother watching it again, and fuck anyone who tries to tell me that it's my duty as a fan to either see it again eventually or see it again this weekend. Makes no difference whether or not the movie was awesome or if it sucked. I watch shit WHENEVER I want to watch it. I am not responsible for the the future state of smart geek movies. I didn't make the fucking movie, I didn't market it, I didn't write it, and it is NOT my fucking job to make sure that it has a good second week. Even if I LOVED the movie, fuck this shit. Fan or not, I'll watch movies whenever I fucking want to.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Laurie's hatred... GONE

    by jsarnold513

    Her hatred for the Comedian was sorta there... but her hatred and distrust of Rorschach was gone. It's a testament to how good Haley's performance was that so many people think of Rorschach as one of the stronger characters in the film, when his character was shortchanged in the adaptation nearly as badly as Ozymandias.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    i mean... seriously

    by BendersShinyAss

    That part where he throws boiling oil on the dude... that should have been sam raimi funny. same with the arms being cut off. it wasn't cool, it was demented. even the murder of the pedaphile - it just wasn't cool, it didn't have any soul. <p> Who cares if Hollywood doesn't make any more of these films. I'll take dark knight over dick tracy vs the shadow any day. <p> but i never read the graphic novel and knew nothing of watchmen til it sprung up here last year. that said, you screwed me out of my cash and i even dodged a toilet break in case I 'missed' anything. I missed my instincts to just walk out - like half the cinema did. <p> also, the word of mouth is destroying this film. I've yet to meet anyone who actually 'loved' it.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Mr Hayter, please, explain to me...

    by The_Goddamn_Batman

    Was The Smartest Man In The World's plan really to use Dr Manhattan to save the world by - get this - spending billions at a secret Antartic fortress copying Manhattan's power, then cleverly getting rid of Doctor Manhattan, only to impersonate him? <P> Why didn't he just ask him, to start with? They were mates, right? They were working together?<P> Fuck me, Manhattan was already on his way back from Mars to do the job. Adrian only had to wait another 35 minutes and he could have saved himself the effort. <P> Verdict: No Adrian, you didn't do the right thing (not that he asked).

  • March 12, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    If this sucks, what do you WANT?

    by OldHat

    I admit, I'm coming late to the WATCHMEN party. I started collecting comics when I could buy Amazing Fantasy #15 off the rack in the drugstore. And I did. But somehow, sadly,inexplicably, I grew up and missed Watchmen when it first came out. I bought it a few weeks before the movie came out, and I saw that it was special. When the movie came out, I thought it was a great COMIC BOOK movie, maybe one of the best yet, maybe THE best. The changed ending...better. Yes, better. Movies are not comics. Movies are not books. They do different things, reach for different goals. The movie's riff on the irony of super-heroing in that world,that the ultimate hero saves the world by threatening to destroy it, is, I think, completely in keeping with the spirit of the book. It's not the EXACT SAME THING, but if it were, it wouldn't have ANY heart. Also, if it were, the movie would be shot with a Sony HandyCam and have a papier mache squid. I love watching movies of my favorite icons. I love watching attempts to put these icons in as realistic a setting, telling a smart story. I WANT MORE. And while Hayter's pitch is something akin to "watch this movie or I'll shoot the dog", he is right. If you rigid fanboys can't see this, you're likely to lose the chance to see more, better attempts. Climb out of the basement, put on your clean T-shirts, and tell Mom you're going to see WATCHMEN again. Or make the fucking movie yourselves, and see how far you get. Appreciate the attempt.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Thanks D.vader

    by BendersShinyAss

    I do remember that, and also remember not checking back. And to clarify, i wasnt here from day one.. but was here when talkback only ever reached about 20 posts

  • March 12, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    BendersAss, I think you miss a key point there...

    by D.Vader

    And its that different people can have different interpretations for the book and film and how it should have been adapted. <p> Case in point- your belief that the scene where Rorscach throws boiling cooking fat on another prisoner. YOU think it should be Sam Raimi funny? <p> Someone else might think you're nuts. Another might say you're an idiot. <p> And still another might say "Everyone in my theater laughed at that moment" or that they "cheered with glee". <p> Same goes for the arms being cut off. Its opinion man. Get used to it.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    watchman

    by nitewatchman

    when i read this way back in 1987 i didn't like it.i guess i didn't understand the story.i was 19 then now i'm 43.an i gotta say now i get it.an this movie is a great one.i love the story an the hero's.i can't wait to see it again an for the dvd to come out.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    I wasn't here since Day 1 either

    by D.Vader

    I just got lucky and found this site looking for images from the SW: Special Editions. We stopped posting once the message board changed to a ridiculously complicated format, and I steered clear from the TB's initially. <p> But I've started posting more and more in the past 2 years, finding some charm in certain TBers and the way TB politics can be extremely predictable at times, and at others wildly surprising. <p> And to be fair, that last TB, I checked back days after it had already fallen off the Top Ten to see if Bubblehead sent me his email address. I don't think I posted a reply bc I was sure no one else was going to ever read it again. Which tends to happen when stories fall out of the top ten =).

  • March 12, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Redbox Vacation, good stuff

    by BillboeFett

    some awesome prose there. It was very interesting reading it. I had to actually slow down a bit to absorb it all. Very descriptive and creative. You should have a career in writing, my friend.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    It doesn't matter to the paying audience if...

    by chromedome

    you poured blood, sweat and tears into it, or if laughed every day at how easy and fun it was. We don't see that, we don't feel it. The finished product is what get, what WE experience--your experience making it does not make it more or less worthy to us.<p>And, if studios, as a result of us not all going out and spending our hard earned money to see it again this weekend, will decide against future endeavors that are shallow, vicseral interpretations without depth of character, story, and offend the dedicated fans of the original with almost no regard, well, I would say they will have made a good and correct choice.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    holy shit john stewart is making mad money guy

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    almost cry on tv. this is harsh tv.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:21 p.m. CST

    "made by fans for the fans" bullshit

    by chromedome

    true fans would not corrupt the original story--and if the story telling in the film is so shallow, the characters so thin that the assumption is we will get it because we read the novel, well then, maybe you oughta STICK to the novel story, you think?

  • March 12, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Meh, Squid...

    by Bald Evil

    I liked Adrian's plan in the movie better than the squid anyway, which always seemed beyond preposterous. If you've got a friendly deity walking around on Earth, why not turn his power into the most efficient energy source ever conceived? And while you're at it, end the threat of nuclear war and probably start a new religion at the same time? Makes sense to me!

  • March 12, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    He's right about Watchmen..

    by zinc_chameleon

    On one dimension for sure. It won't be followed by copy-cat films that try to ape its success. It's the kind of film that gets made once a decade. Near as I can tell, Watchmen (both the comic and movie) is the finest graphical example of deconstructionism ever created. But...deconstructionism has dried up. No. There was one 'Apocalypse Now' and one 'Blue Velvet'; this film is in those leagues.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Good work on that movie, dude

    by omarthesnake

    Ignore these whiney fucking babies. You guys got a lot more right than you got wrong. the non-squid ending was particularly well done. I woulda preferred the Ozy/Manhattan conversation to stay in, and hope there are some more character bits in the eventual bluray, but really, ignore these mewling little twits who are determined to hate the movie for daring not to be exactly what they wanted. And hey, I'll take Scorpion King over that POS Eyes Wide Shut any day.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Chromedome

    by The_Goddamn_Batman

    I wouldn't go so far as to say they made a film that offended dedicated fans of the original with almost no regard. It wasn't Schwarzenegger as Manhattan or anything. Clearly it was an attempt to bring an interpreation of the book to the screen <P> But it was a shallow, visceral interpretation. You're not wrong there.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    HE IS RIGHT. If you don't get it, you never will. WITCH MTN mu

    by noncents

    Support Watchmen if you can. Movies usually suck and are FLAT, uncreative as hell, so if you believe in the direction movies are going, support them. WE NEED more of these. They might not all be winners, but I would rather have better efforts than SAFE, mainstream GARBAGE.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    just like sally?

    by haywood

    What a way to end it you idiot. Yeah I want to come back after you raped me, and took my dough. So you need a new house by the beach? Kids have to go to school? Yeah it will be the comic fans fault if a badly directed film begins to lose money. What a moron. Yeah the entire industry will collapse, a domino effect. What a farce. He could have been more honest and just asked people to mail money in.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Damn it... just when I thought I was done with this flick...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...Solid Snake dares me to give him my honest opinion. I saw your movie, once, as I got caught up in a herd of friends going to see an Imax showing, so I figured, what the hell. But one let down viewing is more than enough for me to make a determination that I don't need to waste any more time or money on another viewing. Because if this movie doesn't perform well enough to convince the money guys to finance even more pointless violence and ridiculous kung fu adaptations of my favorite comics, that's fucking fine by me. I'd rather a million well done PG-13 adaptations like Dark Knight than another R-rated facepalm inducer like Watchmen. For Hayter to say that the reasons for the inclusion of excessive, juvenile, story-crippling sex and violence and the exclusion of the entire original ending of the story weren't the result of commercial concerns about the potential appeal to a contemporary moviegoing audience, and that the film's failure to keep up it's numbers is the fault of the fans of the graphic novel for being "ingrates" for not fellating their middling efforts ferociously enough, is completely infantile, and I've got the world's tiniest violin playing a sad song for him to walk away down the road like Bill fucking Bixby and cry himself raw. This is Uwe Boll level crying, "If you guys don't support my work, whether you liked it or not, then you won't get ANY more R-rated video game adaptations!" Good! Maybe then free market principles will kick in and someone else might make a comic book adaptation that DOESN'T pretend to be uncompromising while half-assing the things that actually comprise a good movie. If R-rated means a bunch of shoehorned, jarring violence and laughable softcore skinamax interludes, then I'll stick to the comics themselves and let the rest of you convince yourselves that tailoring a movie to fit a pre-determined rating means fuck-all to the end result. Fuck you, Hayter, fuck your movie, fuck your screenplay, and fuck your stupid fucking rape analogy.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Hey 'Fanboys'

    by pmarq

    You whining bitches are going to be the ones responsible for turning the next attempt by WB at adapting 'unfilmable' material into a complete and utter atrocity. YOU. Not the casual movie goer. You. Why? Because this film was obviously made with you assholes in mind... and Snyder forgot that NOTHING will satisfy you pussies. Think of all the things he COULD have done to fuck with Watchmen, and compare that with the film you just watched (assuming you butterdicks actually went to see it). This is going to be the closest adaptation you will EVER see in the theater; of ANYTHING. And WB is learning the lesson that movies that try to appease the fans don't make enough money. Wait for the sequel they'll have to make to recoup the money they lost on this one; Niteowl and Laurie will have a child that kicks ass and has a changie-face just like Rorschach! His dick will be blue and dangly and he'll be a secret nazi, and then he'll get gang raped by a group of squids at Comicon. Niteowl will be forced to 'put the mantle on just ONE more time' to put things right. Oh, and Alfred will get sick. Fuck. You. All. You're killing good cinema with every whine you utter, and with each cheeto-fueled screed you throw another shovel of dirt on a spectacular third Batman film. You've earned every fucking inch of film of Wolverine.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Funny or not funny

    by BendersShinyAss

    D.vader. I use the term Sam Raimi funny for lack of a better description. See, i think he missed the comedy angle completely with darkman - which i find this film comparable too. <p> The point i was trying to make is that when something happens on screen, the resulting audience reaction really ought to be that of a positive nature - even for the most grizly of scenes. <p> seeing a man in agonizing pain is just too real. Now, lets say we actually saw a look of sheer utter disbelief from the oil victim, followed immediately by the dismisal of this character and his plight by throwing in some swift footwork - this guy could leap up the side of a building - or was that just for some 'coolness' and never to be explored? <p> I'm not opposed to horror and violence in film. But i do demand that it be enjoyable and relevant - as if the filmmakers and cast are treating the audiance as if we are somehow "in on the gag". This film had nothing at all like that. I don't want to hate it, i just do, is all. <p> <p> <p> In fact, I'm embarrased for all the guys taking girls out on dates to this film. nights like that can destroy all chances of sex with a gorgeous pristine woman. you all know this to be true. so unless you like fucking Goths, this aint a date movie... but it never claimed to be i guess so i really should just stop ranting and get back to work <p> it's just that i know the makers are reading and I have some honest things to say <p> "next time, lighten up a little"

  • March 12, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    LOL

    by Jax

    "Is it Apocalypse Now? Is it Blade Runner? Is it Kubrick, or Starship Troopers?" No. No it isn't.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Oh, so he writes boring letters too!!

    by Womb2dooM

    You know, you’re right! How could I not have seen it before?!?!! Thank you for showing me the light. What the hell was I thinking? This movie isn’t among the most boring events I’ve witnessed in a cinema!<P>On a technical level, it was BRILLIANT the way they used make-up effects on the same level as that used by film makers of 1980s! True creative prowess, sir. Sure they spent kazillions on modern day CG but you can overlook that because so much of it looked so shoddy that you could almost believe they were created using the latest Atari circa 1991! At no stage did that blue man ever look to come into physical contact with his co-stars. Which is good, because that guy gives people cancer. Blue cancer.<P>By making him look completely separate from his real life co-stars, not only did they keep it looking like it was filmed 80 years ago, but they kept away any kind of tension or …. excitement that would arise if there was a possibility that he’d bump right into them. Or make their hair move….<P>You’re right about there being brains. The Mars scenes were cool AND educational. For example, I had no idea that Mars was completely hand drawn. True! It’s like I’ve never been on Wikipedia or watched He-Man!! Newb alert, CyanBlues36 has entered teh chit chat room!! LOLed my arse off!<P>I’ve actually read a few pages of the Watchmen graphic novella before I stopped and decided to build a boat out of toothpicks & sleep wax and I could see the same pacing on the screen. Captured!! Normally when a filmmaker adapts a comic book, the first thing they do is wrench the words free of their constrained one box per sentence settings, and evolve them, extend them into a more natural, free flowing cinematic river of wonder, like those hacks did with The Dark Knight. Thank god you stuck to your pow-pows and the stilted dialogue, we’ve all grown to love and not memorise remains as unengaging as ever.<P>To be honest I was a bit worried that Zackary may attempt to distract us from the short exposition heavy sentence and plotting by playing fitting music to evoke the emotions and time period, but, saved again! He must have had his Slony NPEG player stuck on random so none of it made any sense and would remove me completely from a movie experience and plunge me back into those few pages I’d managed to choke down so many weeks before. I’m gonna draw a hat, but it on my head and then take it off to you Captain Zacko!<P>And now that I think on it and take in my fellow cinema-going colleagues and well-wishers arguments as to the thickly disguised brilliance of Watchmen (is it called watchmen coz they anticipate the audience checking their watch constantly? “Foresightful filmmaking”, that’s what I call it!), I can see how it’s a good thing that Watchmen throws off the shackles and clichés of every other comic book movie and does the opposite thing to having actors that look like the presidents they’re playing, practical plot lines, memorable scores, invisible make-up effects, blip-on-a-radar villains, unhead untiltingly unodd blue lion-rabbits and fun, inspired action set pieces (every time I think of that batbike scene in The Fart Knight, I gag heaps). Thank God for progress. Let’s hope that it makes a MINT in Mexico so I can get a fully loaded El Directo Cutto of the film that features an additional 220 minutes of long stares, paced walking, blue penguin elephants, added blimps, more shots of the twin towers, an outtake reel featuring funny shapes in rawsharks hoodhead thing and a directors commentary where ZcG explains more of the symbolism, metaphors and other subtle nuances that the characters didn’t elaborate and spell out during the course of the prison sentence, I mean ‘runtime’. Oh wait, the characters already did demystify any kind of subtlety the movie had to offer? Oh well, just give me more monologues from that blonde villain coz I could listen to him read cereal ingredients for 12 minutes (in fact I think I did) and think it was a wordy chocolate milkshake for my thirsty, chubby ears.<P>Yes, Dave, I now see the light. What a great, great achievement Watch[outforthegreatgoodmovie]men is. And, yet, I could write more. I won’t because I have restraint, something I pray to the gods Zack Snyder never, ever, ever learns. We should start an online partition demanding he direct a movie about sea turtles! He’s perfect for it. They don’t anything, move only in slow motion and last 200 years!!<P>Set it up, champ!

  • March 12, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Thank God Nolan didn't have to do thiis

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • March 12, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    An open letter to David Hayter...

    by Sithtastic

    Sir, I don't know if you're still reading this Talk Back and certainly wouldn't blame you if you aren't. Whereas I agree that Watchmen did not "puss out" when it came to being rated R, there's plenty of valid criticism having more to do with the story than the stylistic content. I could not help but read this letter and think the studio believed they were in some kind of trouble. I read your script and genuinely liked a lot of what the Watchmen got right style wise, but just wasn't fufilled in terms of story. Like many here, I'll be looking forward to the extended editions. David, in summation I'm saying we as a fan base should not have to wait for such things...never compromise, David...just like Walter.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    pmarq

    by Forthesakeofhumanity

    Hahahaha!!! I'm betting it's not a glass of warm milk you curl up with at bedtime! :-D Seriously, you should pitch that sequel to WB!!!

  • March 12, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I liked Watchmen, but...

    by whitty

    ...Hayter's letter was a misstep. It's badly written, and therefore isn't going to inspire anyone to want to see any film with his name on it.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Great fucking movie. Hayter

    by MMacKK

  • March 12, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Great fucking movie. Hayter is right.

    by MMacKK

  • March 12, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I guess we saw different movies Bender

    by D.Vader

    I actually thought the boiling fat scene and the amputation scene were darkly comic. Grisly, yes, but shot in a way that didn't feel deadly serious like a horror film or something out of Hostel (which begs the question, based on your previous post, do you think seeing someone in pain is just "too real" and a scene such as that should elicit a positive reaction out of the audience too? Were you condemning horror films as well?). <p> The boiling fat scene was a bit more serious (bc there was not as much setup), but the audience I was with was happy to see Rorshach hold his own against a bigger brute, and glad to see him improvise with the boiling fat (or were glad to see it translated faithfully). <p> As for the amputation scene, I don't remember it happening like that in the book, but found it demented, a feeling that was helped by the fact that "Big Figure" was cast as Kramer's friend from Seinfeld.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    "This is a movie made by fans, for fans"

    by Xiphos_2

    This isn't exactly a good idea considering most of the fans will happily eat shit if it has thier funny strip heroes in it.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    With all the shit out there...

    by Sulla

    you haters STILL bitch when a good flick is made. I can understand faithful followers of the GN to complain here or there, but to the uninitiated, wtf more do you want?? Finally we get a hard R rated superhero film, that doesn't pull any punches, and people bitch about it. I'm willing to bet the same people who dislike Watchmen loved Transformers, ID4, Fast & the Furious etc. You have no taste. Michael Bay and directors like him make shit and you eat it up. Someone makes something good and it's above you. Sorry if there wasn't a big *boom* every 5 minutes to keep your RedBull chugging, text-tweaking, gogo mass consuming brains entertained. Sheesh...you people.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    This IS Interesting...

    by Sherlock Holmes II

    ...http://www.tinyurl.com.au/x.php?1pee...oh Harry, you've changed!

  • March 12, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I care. I do.

    by Jax

    "If you care about movies that have a brain, or balls, (and this film's got both, literally), or true adaptations"<br /><br />This movie had neither brains or balls. Especially not balls. Blue dude had no balls. WTF?!?<br /><br />Look, I can respect you wanting to do justice to the source material, but this movie was boring. Mainly because it never really settles on a theme OR a plot. Movies need more focus than books or comics.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I'm not even a Watchmen fanboy...

    by TheWaqman

    I thought it was a good graphic novel, and it's clear it inspired modern comics direction. But I wasn't fawning over it like other people. Still I just couldn't like this badly made movie. Snyder's a horrible director.

  • March 12, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Sherlock Holmes II

    by Jax

    That's funny. But to be fair, Harry says nothing in this post we're in about Hayter, so I don't think he's REALLY contradicting himself on this one. He may have hated Hayetr's work in other films, that doesn't mean he has to hate EVERY movie the dude works on.

  • March 12, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    You people make me sick

    by HoraceS

    They fought to make this movie. Have you read about the bullshit the studio tried to force on this movie? These people worked hard to bring a work of art to the screen with as few compromises as possible and retards are shitting all over it. Get over it. It's a great movie.<p>The next time a studio focus groups the shit out of a movie it will be YOUR fault for shitting on Watchmen.<p> Seriously go see it.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Except if we go see it...

    by Ask_Murdera

    then they're just going to use that $$$ as justification for a sequel. You're damned if you do...

  • March 12, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    kenny fuckin powers or whatever you call yourself

    by wixmmm

    First time I read watchmen i had snorted a copious amount of ritalin and cocaine, and had been on it without sleep for three days. You are right--there is subliminal shit all over the place in watchmen---when you're high. IF you're sober now, go back, reread it and educate all of us on the subliminal messages. Without drugs, they aren't there.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST

    TheWaqman

    by Jax

    I'm with you - I'm no fan of the novel. But I really think Snyder is a good technical director, but not so great as an emotional director. What I mean is the dude knows how to make a movie look good, but I doubt he knows how to draw a performance out of an actor. It's the reason other genre flicks have been great as of late. Iron Man and Dark Knight have real actor's directors at the helm. They can elicit wonderful performances from the actors they work with. They have a vision of the whole. Snyder hasn't learned that yet. He's still making "cool" looking movies instead of thought provoking cinema.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Dude. Never seen THAT before...

    by TheOriginalBubblehead

    ...A screenwriter frankly BEGGING folks to spend money to watch his movie. Next thing you know, Joe Biden will be telling us it's our patriotic DUTY to go see 'Watchmen'.<br><br> WB / Legendary must be shitting their pants. And I bet Fox, guaranteed to earn a percentage no matter how much money the film loses, is laughing all the way to Spago.<br><br> But, hey, look, I'm hardly a Hayter hater. Regardless of the fear-scented cologne he's apparently chosen to cannonball into, it's sort of endearing to see someone grovel so sincerely. I WILL be seeing 'Watchmen' for a third time, but not because Mr. Hayter offered to do the laundry for a month... It's simply because, like he and many others I suspect, I still don't know what the Hell I THINK about the film, and I owe it to the original comic series to give it one more chance before I put it out of mind until the "ultimate edition" hits Best Buy or Amazon.<br><br> Gee, maybe if Bryan Singer'd done this, he'd still be in charge of the Superman franchise...

  • March 12, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    ...Nevermind.

    by TheOriginalBubblehead

    Maybe not.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST

    I'll check it out again

    by MY_BLUE_PENIS

    I watched it the first time analyzing what was different from the GN. I tried not to, but that's just how the fan's mind works. I'm checking it again this Saturday to pad the weekend gross, I do hope this thing does well, and I don't mind voting with my dollar. What else is there to see, anyway? Paul Blart?

  • March 12, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST

    HoraceS

    by Jax

    I'm sorry that some of us have differing opinions. I'm sorry that a bunch of people worked hard on this and got paid a ton of money for working on a fantasy while other citizens of this country lost their jobs due to the recession. But, you know, Hollywood's a tough place. $150 million dollars for a movie about emo dudes dressing up in costumes while Americans are living in tent cities. I guess that's fair. But I digress. Hollywood people need their $5.00 lattes. How else can we get terrific material like the Scorpion King and a remake of Dawn of the Dead?

  • March 12, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    See Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li instead

    by NinjaRap

    Support the fun, entertaining kind of movie that's blown off by people who are too serious-minded for their own fucking good. The kinda flick that's full of asses getting kicked and gorgeous real-life locations and hot chicks and over-the-top Chris Klein goofiness. See somethin' that makes you SMILE, god dammit.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Bubblehead, I keep meaning to email you

    by D.Vader

    And fear not! I will! Eventually, when I get off my ass and put forth the actual effort that is. I am, truthfully, really horrible when it comes to sending out and replying to emails and rmails (that's real mail). So I apologize for the delay.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    A begging letter. This is more than a little embarrassing.

    by bravogolfhotel

    I gather the numbers are not looking so hot. Nonetheless, I'll be happy to go see it again this weekend. I was surprised and gratified by how much of the heart of the book came through, and I want to reward that.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Wait a tic

    by Jax

    "So look, this is a note to the fanboys and fangirls. The true believers. Dedicated for life."<br /><br />Somehow I missed that line. I think it's because he started comparing this movie to truly great films of cinema history. From then on, I couldn't take the letter seriously. And since I'm neither fanboy OR girl of the source material, and have never read the graphic novel, I shall apologize and bid you adieu.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    re: the marketing / nature of film issue

    by DukeDeMondo

    I do not buy for a second the idea that the film will fail financially purely on account of misleading marketing. The reason for this? Slumdog Millionaire. "Feel Good Film Of The Decade!!" A wacky knockabout Bollywood rom com! Such was the crux of the blather in the posters - no further could that be from the film. And the result? It's STILL chokin on its own green, and what's this i heard about some bald headed fella bein the terrible fan, and... No. It can possibly hurt it, but not to the ultimate Fail or Succeed extent bein suggested here. And by the by, whilst Kubrick is seriously overrated, he certainly COULD, contrary to whoever suggested otherwise, direct actors. slap on The Making Of The Shining for a time for proof of that. THIS picture i saw this evening. Much i admired. Much i thought was god-awful. some i thought was repugnant and vile and which that "sally" remark does nothing to change my opinion of. but there you go.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Fuck Watchmen

    by Series7

    I'm going to see Paul Blart for the fifth time. Fuck American film making, keep seeing Taken as well.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Slumdog Millionaire only cost 10 Mil

    by Redbox Vacation

    So..... different.. Cheers!

  • March 12, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Surprise Surprise

    by TheKGB01

    More Watchmen crap...

  • March 12, 2009, 11:31 p.m. CST

    HE is RIGHT it could be a stinking Constantine or Wanted

    by spoits

    But most of the people i talked to that hated it did not even read the book.....EVER. only thing i wanted when it was over was MORE!

  • March 12, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    I just realized what Hayter is doing here

    by bravogolfhotel

    Special pleading though it may be, Hayter has assiduously duplicated the tone of the average talkback: wild hyperbole, needless profanity, crude humor; if the film were not proof enough, he's got a gift for pastiche.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Solid Snake Speaks!

    by JaviT

    He's right on the money as far as I'm concerned. When I first read Watchmen eight years ago, it didn't resonate with me as it does today. Same with Blade Runner. That took the recent box set for me to realize that. My problem with both those works? They didn't meet my expectations at the time. Watchmen didn't have Batman or Superman or any hero I knew and cared about. Rick Dekkard was not Indiana Jones or Han Solo. I had to get over myself. The more I watch Blade Runner and the more I read Watchmen, the better and better those works get, the more I appreciate them. I definitely will see Watchmen again. And I loved it the first time.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    GOOO SEE SPEED RACER!

    by Series7

    Don't let it die a cinematic death! Don't let it become some cult classic!.... oops too late.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    watchmen - this years Snakes on a Plane

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • March 12, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    D.Vader...

    by TheOriginalBubblehead

    No prob. hangdaiwu@yahoo.com.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    the fuel of the Nerd Mafia is disappointment and exclusion.

    by GoodTimeBobby

    "The fuel of the Nerd Mafia is disappointment and exclusion." - Patton Oswald

  • March 12, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    The reason this movie won't make

    by Series7

    Slumdog money is because it doesn't really appeal to members with the other thing that's not a penis between their legs. The closets thing that this movie has to female appeal is the dude from Grey's Anatomy being in it, that is the only reason my lady friend is willing to go see it with me.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Fanboys!

    by Series7

    Hey everybody just so you know Fanboys is widening again this weekend. If you don't see it you will be banned from this site.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    In movies in actual need of love and support

    by Series7

    Outlander is still out there in theaters and is a real crowd pleaser. All 7 people in the theater that I saw it in rated it either good or above average, and yes all of them were over 40 save for me? I thought old people only saw crap like Pink Panter 2 and Jonas Brothers go 3-D. BBBAABEHY!

  • March 12, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    GoodTimeBobby nails it.

    by NinjaRap

    And that'll be the fate of this film too.

  • March 12, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    HoraceS...

    by jerseycajun

    Just because the studio let the director take this much control and have the freedom to direct his vision in this or any other case doesn't make the end result a success. For my part, I think it did some things brilliantly and other things left me scratching my head or at other times nodding off because the flood of information and backstory about each character is formatted as it was in the book, with very little to break up long tracts of character details. It's a glaring flaw that can't be ignored even when the ending did pick up the pace and interest level.<br></br>Hollywood is likely to take all the wrong messages from how well or not well this film does anyway (they may just think that they need to make Green Lantern a sex addict who pounds his foes into greasy gristle with his powers - which the camera will show up close in nauseating detail - because after all Watchmen never turned the camera away for even the most graphic sex and violence, and that was a success, right? Assuming it is successful, that's just as likely the message they'll think they're getting from us, the audience. So leave it alone. If you liked it enough to see it again, do that. If not, don't It's just that simple.

  • March 13, 2009, midnight CST

    Redbox, Series7

    by DukeDeMondo

    Slumdog may only have cost 10mil (ONLY, he says!) but still, regardless of that, it DID come with a totally misleading ad campaign and still, despite being a totally different picture to the one that a large number of folks expected to see, drew, and continues to draw, the crowds. there are plenty reasons for this - the film was gorgeous, the word of mouth was strong, the awards and what have you... all of that comes back to, marketing or no, if a lot of folks are going to see something, and it's hittin with them, more folks will follow. if Watchmen isn't bringing those self same folks, it's nothing to do with any dissapointment that there wasn't more blowin stuff up. (that's not to say a fair ammount of viewers WON'T be annoyed that there wasn't more blowin stuff up. but it's not make or break, is what i mean), it's because, just maybe, there's somethin wrong with the film. but then again, maybe not. plenty things have been ignored by plenty people for the wrong reasons. but i doubt that ever happened purely because an ad campaign promised something the film itself didn't deliver. Series, i don't know that the appeal of these things is as clearly cut, gender-wise, as that. i think there's been enough snoopin done around the "who is goin to see these things" hovel for to suggest that a fair percentage of those in dire need of a film about men grunt and women get grunted at are female. and since this is the place it's happening, i'll throw here a line about What Them Watchmen Done For Me - I thought the comic was sublime and beautiful but prone to occasionally very embaressing adolescent posing and a touch disturbing (and not in a good way) with regards that whole rape issue. that thread - potentially repugnant in the comic - became TRULY repugnant in the film. that was dissapointing, is what that was. that's nothing to do with having "Balls" or being "dark", that's to do with bein a misogynist piece of wank. which is sad, for there's plenty in Watchmen From The Visionairy Director Of 300 that i adored - the Doc On Mars business being best of all. and if there was a lot - a HELL of a lot - that felt very flat, well, i still appreciated that somethin at least halfways challengin was up there in those clothes, even if it owed all its challenging faces to the source material, and even if it appeared to understand those challenges not one iota. but the rape - the scene, the resoloution, all of it - was abhorant. vile. pathetic. and it makes it difficult to get overly enthusiastic about the rest. if anyone wishes, i'm willin to hear Why I'm Wrong. But i don't believe i am.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST

    It's a fucking joke.

    by The_Goddamn_Batman

    To quote the Comedian. <P> For months now, Snyder, yes Hayter, and even that shill Gibbons (who I still love as an artist) have airily talked about how they'd changed the ending and "not to worry, it wasn't essential, we found something equally as good, better!" <P> Well, the proof's in the profit. People are coming out of that film utterly non-plussed.<P> Too late to sit here crying for support now, Dave. You guys knew what the fans wanted. Go beg to the mainstream audience you were so desperate to cater to before.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    jerseycajun

    by Jax

    I think it's funny how anyone would think that Hollywood ever gets the right message from its audience. It's all about money, people. Hollywood cares not about the artistry of movies. The truth is that Dark Knight made money, so now their rushing Green Lantern and scrambling for a new Superman. But if Wolverine bombs, or Hollywood perceives a change in the wind of comic fanboys, they'll move on to the next money maker.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:10 a.m. CST

    The man is right.

    by SithScorp

    David, I would love to hang with you bro. You really are one of us. Snyder is one of us. This film is a monument to what geeks stand for. People hate this movie hate it because they are caught up about the fact that it is not the graphic novel. It is SO much more bold and honest than any of the other crap films that Hollywood has put out in years. EVEN THE DARK KNIGHT. Stop hating this film and open your mind to what this film is... A DAMN HONEST AND INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE. It is quite refreshing to have something of such high quality to enjoy. Does it have "flaws"? I am sure that many will argue that point, but that is yet another point of proof that it DOES represent humanity. BECAUSE HUMANITY ITSELF IS FLAWED!!! I love this film, and I will see it again.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Patton Oswalt can go fuck a deep fried pumpkin

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    he said watchmen was awesome before he saw it. i wanna see what he has to say now.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Lol when Witch Mountain makes 100 mill in 3 days

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • March 13, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Really, though

    by Jax

    In this economy, are you really asking people to go out and spend money on this AGAIN? Have you no shame? 3 friends of mine lost their jobs last week, and Mr. Hayter wants me to encourage them to see Watchmen even once? Is this a joke? Seriously, dude, move on to a new project. If you really love Watchmen, be greatful that you worked on it and leave it at that. Then turn on the news and get in touch with the rest of the country. There's enough negative shit on there to choke an elephant, I don't need it in my comic book movies as well.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Halfscan and Jerseycajun Nailed It

    by Admiral Nelson

    Mr. Hayter: First, the amped-up violence and sex didn’t make the film more “adult,” it actually made it more juvenile, because it was purely for shock value instead of being in service to the story, period. (And putting it in the same sentence as Apocalypse Now or Bladerunner or 2001, for Chrissake, is simply delusional.) Second, don’t tell me to go see the film a second time, or else “we won’t get more films like it!” This laughable tactic reminds me of comedian Larry Miller’s routine: “When I broke up with my girlfriend, she said, ‘you’ll never find another one like me again!’” And I said, “I should certainly hope NOT. If I didn’t like YOU… then why would I want someone EXACTLY LIKE YOU?!” Dude, I don’t WANT more movies like Watchmen – I want stuff that’s BETTER. There’s a reason why The Dark Knight made a billion dollars worldwide, and your film is going to disappear from theaters in two more weeks – it’s because (wait for it…) Watchmen isn’t that good, and general audiences aren’t responding positively to it or finding it memorable at all. I saw it opening day in IMAX, found it okay as I was watching it, but then it faded from memory about 5 minutes after I walked out of the theater, and I have zero interest in seeing it again. Next time, make a movie that both fanboys and the general public can get behind. It’s that simple.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    NO SQUID. The thing deserves to boom.

    by youridol

  • March 13, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    What Admiral Nelson said.

    by mrfan

    Good post.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Oops. Bomb.

    by youridol

  • March 13, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Admiral Nelson

    by Jax

    Nice.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    The arrogant Kubrick and BLADE RUNNER comments...

    by youridol

    Someone should hit Hayter in the face with a pipe. Repeatedly.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    actually

    by jon pertwee

    i quite enjoyed the movie and even thought it was better than dark knight. now i dare hollywood to adapt a truly great graphic novel - moebius' airtight garage...

  • March 13, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST

    And another thing

    by Jax

    I hate when people defend a boring movie by saying that the "haters" just want a movie with big explosions. Cause you know what? Yeah, sometimes I do! Nobody seemed to have any problems with Dark Knight having some of the biggest, mindless explosions in any movie last year. It's because it's called ACTION. it helps to push the story along while creating compelling visuals for the eye. And besides, when I see an ad for a movie about dudes dressing up in costume to be crimefighters, I want them to FIGHT SOME CRIME, not get into empty discussions about the end of the world or be all angsty about their past. I know that sometimes you need to break the mold, but some molds just shouldn't be broken.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST

    The Comic

    by Toonol

    wasn't flawless. It had a weak ending. The movie was not worse than the comic in that regard.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Watchmen was good....

    by groorgman

    But when the hell are we going to see a Blade of the Immortal movie. Manji makes Wolverine look like a kitten. :)

  • March 13, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    It works better as a comic book.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    As a film, it comes off as too serious. The comic often seems like a bit of a send-up...but I think the movie isn't capable of walking that line. The comic book takes place in a goofy world--not OUR world. But on film it seems a bit more like our world, and you have to wonder about all the things that seemed plausible on the page. But having said that: I don't get why non-fans didn't rush to see it just on the weirdness of the trailers alone. Maybe bad timing after TDK?

  • March 13, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Snyder's performance

    by Toonol

    ...as opposed to Terry Gilliam, Paul Greengrass and Darren Aronofsky, other potential directors.<p> It's odd; Snyder isn't as good a directer as Gilliam or Aranofsky (maybe he's in the same league as Greengrass)... but I think he made a far better Watchmen movie than they could have. Just the right person at the right time. The others would have all made FAR bigger changes than just the squid.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Good or bad this letter is sad

    by reflecto

    Please. PLEASE.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Toonol

    by The Fear

    Hollywood needs your ability to see into other realities so they can pick the right directors for every project.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    He's absolutely right

    by Knightsong

    If the fans don't support this movie, Hollywood will forever bail on closely adapted films. They'll quote Watchmen as an example of how things go wrong when you stay too close to the source material. The long and the short of it, and really think about. This movie was as faithful an adaptation of the original material as Jackson's Lord of the Rings. I would dare say this is closer a translation than Jackson's effort. If you're a fan of the graphic novel there is no reason to not love this movie. I felt nothing but rewarded by this movie, and any fan should. There was a huge effort made with this movie, and I'd love to see others stories brought to life with as much love. People will nitpick this movie for details, but applaud Stephen Speilberg for Jurassic Park. Have you ever read those books? Talk about an unfaithful adaptation. So in closing, climb off your high horse and really think about what he said. Because it is true, if you don't support this film then you're consigning yourself to what Hollywood thinks is best over fans. Your saying I'd rather bitch about details behind my keyboard than get out there and support a damn fine translation.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    He's absolutely right

    by Knightsong

    If the fans don't support this movie, Hollywood will forever bail on closely adapted films. They'll quote Watchmen as an example of how things go wrong when you stay too close to the source material. The long and the short of it, and really think about. This movie was as faithful an adaptation of the original material as Jackson's Lord of the Rings. I would dare say this is closer a translation than Jackson's effort. If you're a fan of the graphic novel there is no reason to not love this movie. I felt nothing but rewarded by this movie, and any fan should. There was a huge effort made with this movie, and I'd love to see others stories brought to life with as much love. People will nitpick this movie for details, but applaud Stephen Speilberg for Jurassic Park. Have you ever read those books? Talk about an unfaithful adaptation. So in closing, climb off your high horse and really think about what he said. Because it is true, if you don't support this film then you're consigning yourself to what Hollywood thinks is best over fans. Your saying I'd rather bitch about details behind my keyboard than get out there and support a damn fine translation.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    He's absolutely right

    by Knightsong

    If the fans don't support this movie, Hollywood will forever bail on closely adapted films. They'll quote Watchmen as an example of how things go wrong when you stay too close to the source material. The long and the short of it, and really think about. This movie was as faithful an adaptation of the original material as Jackson's Lord of the Rings. I would dare say this is closer a translation than Jackson's effort. If you're a fan of the graphic novel there is no reason to not love this movie. I felt nothing but rewarded by this movie, and any fan should. There was a huge effort made with this movie, and I'd love to see others stories brought to life with as much love. People will nitpick this movie for details, but applaud Stephen Speilberg for Jurassic Park. Have you ever read those books? Talk about an unfaithful adaptation. So in closing, climb off your high horse and really think about what he said. Because it is true, if you don't support this film then you're consigning yourself to what Hollywood thinks is best over fans. Your saying I'd rather bitch about details behind my keyboard than get out there and support a damn fine translation.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST

    OH and the Sally Jupiter joke is disgusting

    by reflecto

    Makes me think less of Solid Snake. I don't know why nerd culture much less this site cultivates or condones that kind of bullshit.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Solid Snaked your plane dudesssss

    by Vitter

    FUCK YOU ALL WHINY LIL BITCHES THE MOVIE ROCKED!! DO YOU FUCKING WANT BATMAN & ROBIN ALL OVER YOUR FUCKING SHITHEADS AGAIN? DO YOU WANT SO SUCK BALLS ON ROTHMAN LAND???? IF YOU GET FUCLED BY FOX, NOT EXACLTY MEGAN, HOW CAN YOU ENJOY MOVIES ON YOUR FAVOURITE CHARACTERS? OH YEAAH GOOOD I HOPE IT´S FUCKING GOOD BECAUSE IT´S USELESS NOW?!?! OOOOOOOOHH GOOD IT´S FUCKING DISTRACTING!!!!! DO U WANNA TO FUCKING TRASH EM, TRASH YOUR GOOD MOVIES? FUCK YOU PEOPLE OR IM DOING THE WALKING, BALE KICK YOUR ASSES

  • March 13, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Saw it last weekend, and after some careful thought…

    by Supershadow

    I still think this movie sucked ass. It reminded me of The League of Extraordinary Gentleman and Brotherhood of the Wolf. You have your special effects, kung fu, gore, sex and convoluted plot line. Sometimes less is more gentlemen. Oh yeah, didn’t care much for the blue dick waving around either. The movie was average at best.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    IT´S FUCKING DISTRACTING

    by Vitter

    AVATAR. FUCKS. EYE. BALLS.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST

    PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS MOVIE IS BORING

    by Vitter

    ARE FUCKED BY MICHAEL BAY CRAPPY CINEMA LADIES AND GETS

  • March 13, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST

    SHIA MONKEY KING ALL OVER AGAIN!!!

    by Vitter

    IF THE MOVIE FAILS!!!!

  • March 13, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Avatar Sucks!

    by The Fear

    I come from the future.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    SILK SPECTRE DESERVED

    by Vitter

    THAT MY COCK WAS STUFFING HER MOUTH NEW CAMERON DIAZ BABY..BOOM SPIDERMAN UNDER WATER!

  • March 13, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    HardcoreNerdity.com

    by Series7

    Did this letter break on here or on that web site that I've never heard of?

  • March 13, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    RELEASE THE AWESOME RELEASE THE GOOD

    by Vitter

    LITTLE NICKY SAYS HI

  • March 13, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    WATCHMEN WILL BE A CLASSIC...IN TIME

    by Vitter

    NOW AMERICAN FLAT MINDED CROWDS DON´T GET IT AND THEY ARE EYEBALL FUCKED BY MCDONALDS.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    DukeDeMondo

    by Series7

    Am not really sure what the hell you just wrote. Was there a question in their? A rebuttal to a statement I made? Stream of consciousness ramblings? Whats going on.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:03 a.m. CST

    i endeavour

    by The_Exterminator

    to see it, maybe go the third week to help you out dave yeah?!

  • March 13, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Kubrick didn't believe a property could be unfilmable...

    by Mattyboy122

    So if he wanted to, he could've made Watchmen. It would've taken him a huge amount of time, the film would be long, and it wouldn't be Alan Moore's Watchmen, it'd be Stanley Kubrick's. But it likely would've been a cinematic masterpiece.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST

    If they didn't announce the extended DVD was coming

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I bet some more people would have gone. Me, I'm waiting for the DVD.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    series7

    by DukeDeMondo

    my apologies, sire, i was but responding to your nothing-for-ladies comment. i don't know that there isn't a large female fanbase, is all. they're overlooked, for the most part, but they're there. that's all. as to what's goin on, mind - i have no idea. nor did marvin gaye's brother nor sister nor mother if i recall correctly.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Seems like they released it too early in the year.

    by Dingbatty

    Were they afraid to release an R in the beginning of summer?

  • March 13, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    why am i responsible?

    by bacci40

    not sure if dave has noticed, but there is a depression going on<p> i dont get paid to watch movies, buy books or even post to this site<P>the movie was good, but flawed<p> hollywood is not run by the creators, it is run by the suits<p> i saw something about other execs questioning why zack was given free reign....really?<p> no one smokes in the movie...the action is over the top and gory...the ending is dumbed down and there are boobies<p> that shit sells movies, and the pc shit about only bad guys smoking is right from the studio heads<p> the suits saw the movie...they loved it...then, they marketed it all wrong, so people walked in expecting one thing and got quite another<p> its like biting into a piece a chicken and finding out its fish<P> may still taste good, but its not the experience that you were expecting<p> ifilm did a 2 hour podcast with ksmith....FUCKING 2 HOURS TALKING ABOUT THE MOVIE<P> site after geek site has reams of shit on the movie<p> thats not enough> <p> tell you what mr hayter...saturday night, send a limo over to my place to pick me up and bring me to imax at universal...you buy the ticket and ill go<p> but dont you fucking dare try and make me feel guilty if a movie doesnt make money

  • March 13, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE COCKS

    by THE KNIGHT

    how about you wait for the DIRECTORS CUT! <p> cunts.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:29 a.m. CST

    SNAKKKKKEEEE!!! Good script (but everybody misses the Squid)

    by TallBoy66

    But overall, very decent adaptation. The highest compliment I can pay it is that it'd be really, really, REALLY hard to say you love the book and absolutely despise this movie. And if you are saying that, a part of you is lying. So kudos to you, SNNNNAAAAKKKKKKKEEEE!!!! (but I miss the squid, and so does everybody else. Just a more powerful image, really. Doesn't kill the movie, but it is sad to see it gone)

  • March 13, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Didn't Kubrick go nearly insane...

    by Ravetin

    ...trying to adapt Lord of the Rings? <P> Anyway, Hayter's right, in a way. There's more talent and imagination in the opening credits than most recent comic films combined. This movie needs to make a respectable gross or else you can look forward to a sprawling, 85 minute epic version of the Dark Knight Returns directed by Ratner.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Ravetin

    ...the Metal Gear Solids are the BEST FUCKING VIDEO GAMES EVER MADE, EVER!

  • March 13, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    They needed to hand out cliffs notes at the screening

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Most confusing movie I've ever seen.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Vitter - you're not helping your cause.

    by Womb2dooM

    But you are helping us establish a idea of the average WATCHMEN lovers' mentality.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST

    what's snake fans got to do with it????

    by cloudrider`

    just because you voiced the character in MGS we're supposed to watch everything you do now? <p> "WATCHMEN, the novel, must be read through more than once to even have the faintest grip on it." bullshit! it was great at first read! you read it again because you want to, not because you lack the brain power to appreciate it thefirst time. <p> this letter is just pathetic! is this the time ever someone plead in public to have people watch their films? what's next? spielberg gonna send his secretary to beg us for more weekend box office when tintin bomb in the first week??? 'oh do it for the sake of jackson's version!'

  • March 13, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I'm glad some people worked hard

    by theplant

    But I'm on the dole and paid my 10 bucks to see this piece of crap that only superficially respect the original, and gloss over the ESSENCE of it. So no I won't be seeing it again thought I'll probably buy the SE DVD. Give me a job in Hollywood and I'll go see this crap 5 times drinking 5$ coffee latte while holding a 20 years old bimbo in my arm thinking how good I am and smiling to everyone.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    when all else fail, appeal to fans.

    by cloudrider`

    "my two viewings still don’t' allow me to view the film with the proper distance or objectivity." <p> you got that right! that's why you will never understand why some critics/fans dont love it.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST

    I read this whole thing in Snake's voice and...

    by Surf Ninja

    I LOVE YOU, SOLID SNAKE. I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU TELL ME. NOT EVEN FUCKING KIDDING.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:58 a.m. CST

    If Hayter himself releases...

    by Ravetin

    ...an mp3 of himself reading this letter in Snake's voice I will see the film five more times in IMAX.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:03 a.m. CST

    if i get to bang gugino

    by bacci40

    i will spend my rent money on going to the film...right there, over 100 showings...it will be worth becoming homeless

  • March 13, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Obviously Hayter drunk posts...

    by Duncan Irons

    I kinda liked the movie though, the opening credits brought tears to my eyes... True story...

  • March 13, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    I appreciate what he's saying...

    by thedarklinglord

    And I had similar thoughts on the matter earlier. I hope to hell Watchmen is hugely successful and generates an assload of money. For every watered-down, PG-13, mass market, tepid-as-fuck piece of shit film that the studios have cut the balls off of, Watchmen needs to be a colossal success, a massive, "Choke on it, motherfuckers!" to every executive asswipe who ever needled a director into shooting a more "family friendly" film. I'd love to see Watchmen become the biggest box office cash cow since Titanic or, failing that, at least be every bit as successful as The Dark Knight. Sadly, I just don't think it's going to happen. <br> <br> They got a lot of things right with Watchmen. And the stuff they got right, they didn't just knock the ball out of the park but sent it into orbit. Unfortunately, there are also places where they faltered, where they dropped the ball, where they lost the right to say, "This is a TRUE adaptation." And the fans know it. And fans can be some petty, pissy, unforgiving fucks, incapable of appreciating what was right and only bitching about what was wrong. <br> <br> And while I share Hayter's sentiment, there's a snotty, almost condescending tone to that letter, with the air of some douchebag artist who proclaims if you don't love his work it's because you don't get it, it's completely over your head. And that shit almost makes me want to see him fail...

  • March 13, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Damn - outgrossed by Paul Blart - Mall Cop

    by JackRabbitSlim

    When a 200 mil dollar funny book moobie is going to be outgrossed domestically by a 15 mil budgeted fat-man-fall-down-and-go-boom flick, the results the desperate writer begging the fringe population bitchass fanboys to see his movie. Hilarity ensues. <p> "Watchmen failed to entice an international audience to match its huge marketing blitz, extremely wide release and hype as an intended blockbuster, meeting a similar fate as Speed Racer, Max Payne and Body of Lies." - BoxOfficeMojo

  • March 13, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Going again on Tuesday

    by Dark Knight Lite

    and taking some friends. I want more movies like TDK and Watchmen, and less like Fantastic Four and SpideyMan3. Dark Knight OUT.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    just caught second showing tonight

    by 667

    Those that said you need to see this movie twice to forget the comics differences and appreciate it on its own were right. I was surprised (having only recently read Watchmen for the first time about two weeks ago). I think it's genius. But it will never be mainstream. It's a 150 million art house action pic. If such a thing could be said to exist. Support it if you want to see more.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:54 a.m. CST

    open letter

    by darthSaul666

    I can see his point. I want to watch it again in IMAX. Then buy the DVD directors cut. My favorite parts in the movie were the ramped R-Rated elements. R-rated superhero flicks don't come around too often. The only other one I can think of recently is the director's cut of Daredevil. ( or the new Punisher, I haven't seen that one yet ) Cutting Daredevil to fit the PG-13 rating made it lame. If I want the comic, I read it. But I was highly entertained by the Watchmen movie. As for the film being over marketed. All I have to say is I bet you can't find Watchmen action figures and lunch boxes at your local Wal-Mart. Merchandising is a huge plug for any film. Especially comic book films.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Fucked by Squid

    by Wrecks

    Woulda squeezed the jizz outta the fans and freaked out the squares into a buzz frenzy... bad move. It was passable and for the most part a valiant effort of adaptation, just needed brass instead of aluminum balls to push it through to greatness. Shame.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Sorry, David...

    by Cutter20

    Sorry Mr. Hayter, but I won't be seeing this movie a second time in theaters. Maybe I'll check out the extended director's cut this summer, but many things about Watchmen the movie didn't sit well with me. Particularly the crappy pop music choices and the awful, unnecessarily altered ending. Once was enough. I'm sorry that I let myself get so hyped up for what was a good, but not great superhero movie. Nothing personal.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:57 a.m. CST

    JackRabbitSlim...did you read the fucking article?

    by bacci40

    it basically says it didnt perform as an action film should<p> maybe thats cuz it aint an action film<p> and fuck the foreigners

  • March 13, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    What the Movie really lacks...

    by onezeroone

    is best exeplified by this:<p> In the comic, Tales of Black Frieghter are told through a kid reading comics. The comic within comic used to give commentary on the story, characters as well as the readers of the comic. Now, won't it have made sense if in the movie we had the kid watching a movie being played on one of those electronics shop on large TVs? The kid coming back to watch the same movie again and again, only we see him watching different parts at different times?<p> So yeah, the movie stays true to the comic, visually, but it also shows what Alan Moore meant when he said it was a story meant to be told in a comic. Yeah, it has balls and all but lacks enough brains to translate the 'deconstruction' process from comic to movie.

  • March 13, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    P.S. David

    by Cutter20

    Metal Gear Solid 4 was a total piece of shit game. True.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Edit: exemplified,

    by onezeroone

  • March 13, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST

    My gawd, stop defending the PG-13 violence in TDK!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    It still pisses me off how fucking lame the violence in TDK was.<p>It should've been an R-rated movie.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Saw it once. Enjoyed it. That'll be it.

    by James Westfall

    I'll buy the BluRay but Jesus - I "GET" THE MOVIE. It's not the Riddle of the Sphinx here.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Will watch it again this weekend with my girlfriend...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Hopefully, she'll still like me when it's over. :)<p>Watchmen WAS good, but they really wimped out with the destruction of New York. A big hole in the ground doesn't have NEARLY the impact and horror of seeing the streets and skyscrapers of NYC overflowing with bloody corpses. It significantly lessens the evil act Ozymandias has committed in the name of "peace."<p>And if you HAVEN'T seen the new Punisher film, SEE IT! It truly IS the Punisher movie fans have been waiting for! This guy looks, acts and sounds like Frank Castle and does some truly wicked things to evil people who usually deserve it. A shotgun blast to the face of a mobster being read his Miranda Rights certainly isn't PG-13! >:)

  • March 13, 2009, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Weren't you The Guyver once?

    by Brody77

    Still not seen Watchmen. Considering imax. We'll see....

  • March 13, 2009, 3:48 a.m. CST

    this just in..

    by phoenixmagida5th

    Ducan irons is a fag

  • March 13, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Bendis said it best:

    by F-1000

    AICN: Studio bought and paid for. I've never seen, nor expected this level of desperation, of pandering from this site. Pushing shitty indy movies made by your friends is one thing, but pushing movies given more than a chance, and are deemed to have fallen short of expectations by the movie going public as well as some die hard purist fans...Pushing this movie for the suits who pay for your set visits. Well that is the last straw of credibility munched by an over-grazing Harry. I hope the suits put you back in your pen so you remember what it was like to actually be one of us Harry, a true fan. P.S. - That Script Girl shit is unacceptable as well, but I'm not gonna beat a dead horse.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST

    For Fucks sake, whats with all these watchmen articles

    by gomez33

    Its only a reasonably good film, not some fucking masterpiece. This must be the 10th new thread this week. If people want to watch it and bitch about the changes made by the scriptwriters they can, fucking retard.

  • Too many of you are confusing your love of the source material for a movie with honestly bad pacing, too much slo-mo and no soul. Like many others have said, the only thing translated faithfully, i.e. Not just storyboarded like the screenwriters used tracing paper over the graphic novel, was Rorschach, (and well the Comedian wasn't too bad either.) This movie was painfully miscasted everywhere else, and like a dissonant note in an otherwise harmonious chord, the miscast members drew quite more than their fair share of negative attention.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Title was supposed to read:

    by F-1000

    It has already put out Watchmen, hasn't it?

  • March 13, 2009, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Ok, David, I admit it...

    by Laserbrain

    ...I *have* always wanted to be taken up against the pool table by an excited adolescent's tin-eared interpretation of "Watchmen". <p>"Put your movie in me, Zack! Oh-hhhhh! It's so BIG. Don't hurt me... don't hurt me! Ah-hhhh..." <p>LOL

  • March 13, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Sorry, one more thought.

    by F-1000

    I've a lot of them as I've been reading thread after thread about the Watchmen on this site and not commenting on the ridiculousness of it all...Until now. <p> When will the studios learn that hype brings you diminishing returns, and, if pushed into overdrive (citing specifically the ham handed approach AICN takes at hyping movies) can actually serve to DECREASE interest in a movie. <p> Seriously, figure it out. Or at least go viral with your marketing, people are so inundated with hype and marketing the only thing that works anymore is to at least give us the illusion of NOT pandering directly to us.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Knightsong

    by F-1000

    You refute your own point dude by citing LOTR as an example of a closely adapted movie..Uhh yeah, which was a GOOD movie, and did GREAT. Watchmen isn't going to kill true to source adaptations guys, jeeze, talk about buying into the hype. <p> Why do you think so many directors avoided this material? Can't be because they were all stupid. Why do you believe Moore, (who imagined and wrote the entire fucking graphic novel) himself didn't believe it should be adapted into a movie. Hmmm, maybe these intelligent, informed artists were onto something, jeeze some of you people will just buy anything you are told. <p> The failure of Watchmen is going to be the death of the faithful adaptation. I'm laughing so hard I almost spit the gerbil out my ass.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Who watches the Watchmen?

    by Tseng808

    Went to see the film on the opening Friday, hyped to the teeth, i simply couldnt wait. I had already read the comic and adored it, so thought the film was fantastic. Went for a second screening on the following tuesday and thought it was amazing the second time round too. In all fairness Hayter has just highlighted something we all already knew. I think there obviously people out there who appreciate the movie, but i dont think it will be appreciated properly until a few years from now.

  • March 13, 2009, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Will Smith as David Hayter :

    by PTSDPete

  • March 13, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Dave

    by JADSTERSDAD

    This is a great letter with something to say. And it's just one of the reasons why I love this site. That you can come here and read stuff like this. Thanks All!

  • March 13, 2009, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Will Smith as Rorscharch :

    by PTSDPete

    " The whores and politicians will look up and shout ' Save us ! ', and I'll whisper ' AW HELL, NAW ! ' "</p>I've gots to get a life.</p>

  • March 13, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    No Sale!

    by Potatino

    This article I'm assuming was meant to make me want to watch the movie again, but it was written in what seemed to me to be such a smarmy way that it really made me mad and pushed me well into the "no i'm not going to see this movie again" zone. That was a long sentence.

  • March 13, 2009, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Masterpiece

    by StayGold

    You can count on me for not only a second viewing but also for a third and if God allows me, hopefully many more in my life! Thanks to each and everyone involved in this movie for that night I spent delighly viewing this visual, and philosophical poem!

  • March 13, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Serious respect to David Hayter, but...

    by Mr Gorilla

    ...what about all those other great films that risk not finding audiences? When LUST, CAUTION took a bath last year, why not appeal to viewers: if you don't watch this, then people will think that explicit yet intelligent Chinese sex is a commercial no-go!

  • March 13, 2009, 5:22 a.m. CST

    put me over the pool table -whaaaattt???

    by alice 13

    fuck you hayter. and next time dont drink your budweiser and blog at the same time.

  • March 13, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Is this a joke?

    by Fortunesfool

    Did April come early? Don't go and see this overblown, shallow nonsense again. The studio's already know they can make money from producing substandard comic book fare. If this makes money do you really think they'll suddenly see a market in 'intelligent' comic book films? No, they'll just churn out another one and Zach 'awesome, this comic has tits' Snyder will get to make something else. This letter is appaling.

  • March 13, 2009, 5:59 a.m. CST

    DAVID HAYTER'S DEEPEST DESIRE IS 2 B RAPED?

    by S_Rorschach

    BY A BUNCH OF MEN IN A BAR? VERY INTERESTING.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Yes

    by Fortunesfool

    He seems to have the same 'giggling schoolboy' approach to sex and violence that Snyder does. How appropriate.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Holy shit...

    by JRyanH

    I am absolutely convinced now that you motherfuckers hate everything. This film was sublime.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:10 a.m. CST

    But Alexandra Du Pont was bored by it

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    And she's the smartest girl in the world! Nah, fucking pretentious attention whore who thinks her shit doesn't stink. The Watchmen is brilliant and flawed, and that's why I'll see it a second and third time this weekend. Du Pont can go smoke clove cigarettes and act all hip and cool with Script Girl.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    I don't want to view an 2.5 hr R rated movie

    by teethgnasher

    with toddlers in the theater. Life is too short.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Phew! What's that smell? Eau de Desperationne

    by zapano

    "Is it Blade Runner? Is it Kubrick, or Starship Troopers? I don’t know yet." - pretty much sums it up starship troopers is a brilliant film, ten times the film watchmen is. this boat is sinking and hayter's the engineer

  • March 13, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Bendis should talk with all his Secret Invasion mainstream crap!

    by Redbox Vacation

    I will say this. The true film had 30 more minutes plus the Black Freighter and Under The Hood mixed back into it with the 2 Bernies at the newsstand. That film may never be seen by us is this studio cut is a failure. If you really hated it because you like big splosions, that's cool. I'm not faulting you, you have limited abilities and you probably use them to the best of your abilities. If your a fan of the book, I also have issues, but I see something great that you may be unfairly comparing to the perfection of the book. Something that the Uber version may closer satisfy. So snobs? go see it! Super fans of the book, go see it again. Simple minded low level Sci-Fi fans, I get it, you want more B level shit, which unfortunately the violence alluded to too well. Fear not, Hollywood will never disappoint you.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Is it Apocalypse Now? Is it Blade Runner? Is it Kubrick, or Star

    by Projectedlight

    I do. It's none. The movie sucked. Snyder completely sucked away any subtext criticising the consequences or morality of violence by rendering everything on screen as TOTALLY COOL as he could possibly make it. This meant that it was always either 1) Way to ridiculously gory or 2) Like Power Rangers. Moore understood that a deconstruction of superhero violence and notions of morality means that the scenes of fighting had to be quick, intense, brutal, and not at all pretty. Snyder gives us SLOW-MO KUNG FU FIGHTING. "Woah". Compare the way that Ozy's would be assassin is taken out in the comic to the movie. Oh, and in the movie he also kills a bunch of other people in slow mo so we can appreciate the blood shooting through a neck in slow motion. FUCK OFF SNYDER. Also, the way that Nite Owl MADE THE DECISION for the audience at the end was unforgivable. "Hey Ozzy, you suck!" Thanks, genius. What made Watchmen great was its moral ambiguity. Talk about Hollywoodizing a complex text. I haven't even gotten into the more obvious, basic problems with the film, like the fact that it IS A FILM and NOT A COMIC, which Snyder apparently doesn't realize since he copies and pastes the structure of the comic book instead of reimagining anything, which just does translate and results in both an information overload and a film that doesn't flow interestingly and is just fucking boring. So yeah, the movie is a mess and it didn't make me think about 'the nature of man' (the voice overs spoke a lot about that though), but just at how a great comic had been raped by a hack director who didn't have the balls or is too egomaniacal to tell the studio not to call him as visionary since he maybe imagined a few minutes of the movie for himself instead of copying it from Moore and Gibbons' work (to the detriment of a film). All in all, a pretentious letter from an clown (who writes terribly for one who does so for a living) who wants to shame me and tell me I can't handle the dark recesses of life because I don't like the utter grim realism of slow-fast mo 'ramping' and CGI 'enhancements'.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Knightsong

    by theplant

    How can you say it's faithfull ? It's not, it got the visuals right, but not the meaning of them. FAIL.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    This is just kind of sad

    by Rickey Henderson

    It's a shame that Hayter is the one doing the begging, because other than the horribly rushed ending, his script was actually pretty decent. Snyder should be the one begging us right now. It was his inability to bring any of the themes from the original to the screen that handicapped this movie. Dude's only good for two things: slow motion & wire work. Sad to see Hayter feel compelled to beg people to see a movie that's going to get destroyed at the weekend box office by "Race to Witch Mountain." This ain't his fault.<br> <br> Groveling is beneath you, Snake!

  • March 13, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST

    AWKWARD.....

    by brobdingnag

    I personally gave the movie a B+ and I do think it will be a cult classic, and I was already going to see it again but.. "I f***ing dare you to say any one of those things about this movie?" How do you have an IQ over 70 and even say this? The ending DID NOT WORK. Manhattan is not an external threat and even if he destroyed an American city as well as others the rest of the world would see his actions as some plan on the part of the US, not a uniting event. The proof of this is that so many people think Bush engineered 9/11. This is not arguable, any opinion that the ending works as a uniting event is wrong, period. The fact that Hayter is writing a letter like this shows a lack of self confidence and common sense. He is going to regret this for the rest of his career.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST

    David, your movie did puss out...

    by The Tao of Joe

    Hate to tell you this, but your script for "Watchmen" was everything Alan Moore said a movie based on his book would be. The disgusting violence you guys embellished and added to the film sullied the heart of the story. Then in the ending, you change the characters' reactions to the catastrophic event, which in turn changed the characters. This I cannot forgive. Why didn't Laurie and Night Owl simply make love in Ozymandias' base when they realized that it was futile to take a stance on Ozymandias' plan either pro (Dr. Manhattan) or con (Rorschach), and simply enjoy life through the general act of fucking? I mean yeah, Snyder films sex scenes like he's never made love before, but maybe they could have filmed the love scene second unit, with an assistant or guest director, or even via stock footage. Any of the above would have been better than the bitchy catfight you guys had Night Owl start with Ozymandias. Zack Snyder was the wrong man for the job. Like DuPont says, he had balls for action scenes, but was inept when it came to filming dramatic moments. You could feel life and meaning being sucked from our world onto the movie screen every time a character wasn't punching or kicking bones out of people's bodies after the 30 minute mark. The best person to direct this film left it years ago. He was Darren Aronofsky, a man who can handle drama, characterization, and more importantly, a thematic focus. You are seriously begging us to see this shit twice? Dude, I am pissed that I saw it once. And when the studio-manufactured hype on this film starts to run down, there will be more people who agree with me. This film definitely wasn't Kubrick. It wasn't even "Starship Troopers," a film that while flawed, had an energy to carry itself beyond it's opening credits. Your letter was shameless, shameless, shameless. Be a man and take your knocks from this horrible, painful lesson in cinematic hystory, and do what me and the rest of the fans of this book who are ass-sore because of this movie and move on....

  • March 13, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    They fought to make this movie. Yeah right

    by theplant

    I'm sure with thousands of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on their bank account, they hurt every day, while we peons with negative bank accounts are living the good life.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Oh, and I love how David admits that the film raped us.

    by The Tao of Joe

    Classy, classy, classy. Almost as classy as the eroticized rape scene his letter alluded to. Man did that moment in the film make raping women look fun and cool.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Hate this movie all you want

    by mukhtabi

    But you have to admit one thing, its a step in the right direction. Sure, Zack Snyder used his impulses as a filmmaker, which is to create portable paintings of violence and sex. But it was a very ballsy move for people who are ordinarily scared shitless. I had a scriptwriting teacher at AU who had been a junior development executive at a studio. His place had seen several cool scripts while he was there and passed on them, only to see them made and become successful. He related that he was ready to tear his hair out. Because Watchmen was made, they're ready to take a chance on IT. Because Watchmen was made Marvel is going to try and give us Fantastic Four and Daredevil the right way and apologize for those abortions they allowed Fox to put on the screen. I am going to see it at least one more time, possibly a 3rd. For me, its a very dense, intellectually stimulating film much like Kubrick's Barry Lyndon actually. You know, the one where he tries to tell an 800 page novel in the course of 2.5 hours and sort of succeeds, but the telling is brilliant. So too here. He attempts to adapt a very post-modern comic book, and gets as close as he can to perfection. Adaptations will ultimately never be the book. And I'm okay with that, because I want to see what spectacle Warner Bros. can concoct now that they are clearly starting to grow balls. I'm going to see it again to prevent shrinkage on their part, me and all my family members.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:13 a.m. CST

    It's so sad...

    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    ..that David Hayter needs to point this shit out. Didn't we all know this already? It's a sad fucking reality but there we go...why on earth does Hayter feel the average movie-goer is going to give a shit about what crap they lap up. Just look at the sort og money generated by utter, utter garbage. Only the film industry is able to exist as an artistic medium pandering to the lowest common denominator. Trying to make successful, original and relevant art in a medium dominated by bank balances is always going to be an uphill struggle...does Hayter really need to spell that out?

  • March 13, 2009, 7:15 a.m. CST

    The value of balls...

    by The Tao of Joe

    ...is nothing without brains and a heart, two things Snyder's 'Watchmen' lacked entirely. Hence, the constant parroting that "'Watchmen' had balls" as a way to justify the inherent shittiness of everything that happens after Manhattan arrives on Mars is a moot point. You know who else has balls? Michael F'n Bay. Doesn't mean his movies suck any less than they do.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    "Trust me. You'll come back, eventually. Just like Sally."

    by DonnaDarko

    <p>No, I won't. I won't buy the DVD. I won't suggest your film to friends. I will no longer say anything positive about anything you do, If that keeps 0.02 cents from your wallet in a lifetime, it will bring me joy.</p> <p>I will, however, go out of my way to repeat your asshole comment. Grow a fucking brain.</p> <p>I hope you have a daughter, that grows up to be just like me. Good luck with that.</p>

  • March 13, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Right on, Donna

    by The Tao of Joe

    His comment was almost as tasteless as his film.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Begger cant be choosers

    by dioxholster

    this guy makes me not want to see the movie again. we is he acting so desperate? its like you have to go see it twice to get it blah blah what a lousy excuse

  • March 13, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    UHH...HOLY FUCKING SHIT

    by ScottinDC

    Did the screenwriter just ask everyone to spend their money again so the movie doesn't plummet in it's second week to 5th or 6th as it quickly falls out of the top 10? I'm not saying the movie's bad, I'll refrain from that topic - I'm just standing by my long held belief that this film has too narrow an audience and so would drop from # 1 by it's second week and fade rapidly over time. And no offense...but seeing the screenwriter grovel for your handful of sweaty but hard-earned money just fucking vindicated my opinion. What a vulgar display.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Donna,

    by GaiustheBrave

    get over it, sweety. If you have to tell people to see your movie, chances are you're not gonna be doing well, anyway. Telling fanboys and DonnaDarko to go see your movie again isn't going to get the average mouth-breather in the seats, either. As Gabriel said to a dying Keanu, "You're fucked."

  • March 13, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    WAAHHH!!! P-P--puh-leeeze...

    by Kid Z

    ...go see my sucky movie! Maybe next time you write an adaptation, you'll take the time to understand the source material, rather than just making the script a list of things you thought were "kewwwll" when you were 16.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    You are Solid Snake

    by T 1000 xp professional

    you can do w/e the hell you want in my book.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:52 a.m. CST

    "Trust me. You'll come back, eventually. Just like Sally."

    by dioxholster

    what does that phrase even mean. seriously can someone explain to me? who is sally? is she from the movie sally and crystal friend comedy thing.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Diox

    by The Tao of Joe

    Sally was the character in the film who gets raped. What Hayter was so tastelessly trying to point out was that we had been raped by the movie, and like Sally, who has a kid fathered by her rapist, we will come back as well.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Thank you BillboeFett...

    by Redbox Vacation

    I appreciate the comments. When I get the nerve I usually also post here. stuffdaddy.blogspot.com or symptomsofrebellion.blogspot.com Thanks again!

  • March 13, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    The Tao of Joe

    by dioxholster

    thanks, but thats disgusting. ewwww. anyway i thought that she almost got raped...and then she had consensual sex with him later. am i right fanboys?

  • March 13, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST

    They change great stories, just to be commercial.

    by Mentok

    Isn't that exactly what you did by making this a darker story than it was originally? Wasn't that the point of the gore? You might argue that this is the opposite of making it commercial, because it and the nudity guarantees an R-rating. But if you did, that’d be disingenuous because right now, nothing sells like gore. See Saw 56 for details. By ramping up the violence and the gore, you are trying to add spectacle to make it more commercial rather than relying on the story and the images the comic provides. Ordinarily, one might think that’s just a part of the process of adaptation, but when a production remains so slavishly true to the visuals of the source material in pretty much every other way, that kind of deviation more than anything takes someone familiar with the source material out of the picture and makes them ask “why have they changed this particular aspect of the story?” For me, at least, commerce seems the likeliest answer. Having said ALL of that (for some reason), I am not trying to crap on the movie. There’s a lot to be proud of there, and a lot of people clearly worked hard on the film, so I am pulling for you to get the box office bump you’re looking for. This film did make a real honest effort to bring a beloved story to film, and I’d like to see more of that, even if the end result just isn’t my cup of tea. But to say you didn’t change the story just to be commercial doesn’t ring true.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Who Is Watching The Watchmen? No, really. Who?

    by Snake Foreskin

    "PLEASE watch Watchmen! David Hayter Gotta Eat!" I guess this means we won't be getting a sequel.<p> I won't be seeing this movie because frankly it never looked all that interesting to me. I never read the comic, so what the fuck do I care?<p> I don't want my superheroes to be a bunch of sick assholes. I'm sorry that so many of you do. You always want your heroes to be sad sacks of shit who occasionally take out the trash. Sucks to be you.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Two weeks till it's released in Japan

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Fucking Warners, want bigger box office, worldwide fucking release

  • March 13, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Jackie Earl Haley Gotta Eat! When is his E! True Hollywood Story

    by Snake Foreskin

    "Jackie Earl Haley. Child actor. Drug addicted teen. Skinny little man. Some in Hollywood felt sorry for him and gave him a second chance. He was given a big break as Rorshach in last year's Watchmen.<p> "But the fans left him to starve in a hovel of an apartment on La Brea with $.27 in his bank account and nobody but a three-legged, blind and deaf mongrel to count as a friend. In the end, not even Gary Coleman would stop by to visit poor little Jackie Earl. Poor little Jackie Earl..."<p> Man, David Hayter must feel terrible that he didn't set up a "Save The Jackie Earl" Fund. There's still time, David. There's still time.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    desperate much?

    by vaudeville villain

    relax, hayter... it wasn't that great. okay? sure. but i think i'll stick with my GN, thank you.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    All My Comic Fan Friends Loved It

    by LaserPants

    Most of the "normal" people who saw it said it was interesting, but too long, and boring. Its not going to be a blockbuster, David, sorry. It'll do well as a cult film. Its already doing well as a cult film. I think you're going to have to accept this and move on.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Kubrick

    by OptimusCrime

    You know what? Fuck Stanley Kubrick. I have had it with all the slurping this overrated bastard has been the recipient of. Hayter did not compare himself to Kubrick, and even if he did that is not some kind of sacrilege. Fuck off, dipshits.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    "But I'm not saying it for money"

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    Of course you are. Its always about the money. Thats what the studio bosses want to see.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    It seems

    by Jax

    It seems that there are mainly (with exceptions) 2 camps for Watchmen. The people that read the book seem to really like the movie. Those that didn't read the book don't seem to care much for it. I know that's a generalization and that there are others out here, but this is what I'm observing. Obviously, something was lost in the interpretation of the book or else people would be as gaga over the movie as the people who like the book.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Well, I f***ing dare you to say any one of those things about th

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    How about the ending?

  • March 13, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST

    "Please go see the movie again next weekend."

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    No you desperate douche.

  • March 13, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    This movie will make millions...on DVD or Blu ray.

    by terquick

    Lets face it this movie isnt going to be at its best in a movie theater. Its way too long to play in a theater and the funny thing is it probably needs to be longer. Unfortunatly that wont happen until it gets on DVD or Blu ray. I hope to god though that there is alterantive ending and im not talking squid. Im talking about giving back the line "nothing really ends" back to Dr. Manhatten. The squid was stupid but to take away the power of that moment when that line is just wrong.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Tasteless, vulgar, and desperate.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    I wipe my ass with your letter sir. Now that I would do twice.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Hayter's line about Sally makes me want to

    by NinjaRap

    see his junk get cut off.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    The more I think about it..

    by STLost

    the more I'm inclined to say that even if it was a more faithful adaptation of the comic, the film would never be a blockbuster. <p> I just don't think it's the type of story that has mass appeal to draw people to the movie theater week after week. It's not like other superhero movies that have big name stars and tons of action. <p> Spiderman. Not as cerebral as Watchmen, but has more generic appeal to people than the intricacies of Watchmen. Plus it had Toby Maguire, Willem Dafoe, James Franco, and Kirsten Dunst. <p> Look at it this way. Take two Shakespeare plays and turn them into movies. Which one is going to make more money? "Romeo and Juliet" with Reese Witherspoon and Jake Gyllenhaal or "Cymbeline" with John Doe and Jane Doe?

  • March 13, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Jax, jerseycajun

    by HoraceS

    How many perfect works of art have you seen in your time? They don't exist.<p>If Watchmen is perceived as a failure by the suits, enjoy the next 20 years of watered down bullshit.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Again, he's not asking everyone to see this again

    by D.Vader

    He's only asking those who PLAN to see it AGAIN to do it THIS WEEKEND and not later in the month, bc the fucking SUITS only care about 1st weekend profits and the 2nd week dropoff. He has a point, if some of you near-sighted bozos would actually *read* instead of jumping to conclusions.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:17 a.m. CST

    It rings true

    by SpikeTBB

    This speaks to something I've been complaining about for years. How the business end of Hollywood and art by committee has taken over completely. It's all demographics and test audience and trends. It's not enough to make a profit you got to have a blockbuster. Despite any flaws perceived in Watchmen, the fact that the people making it loved the project and the source material radiates from the screen. A constant war goes on in the back rooms and boardrooms of Hollywood between soulless suits who have no creative instinct and artists. To be honest it has always been waged between artist and those seeking to control them. Those who can't create ignore that fact and second guess and instruct or restrict those that can. Michelangelo had his famous struggle with the clergy as he was painting the Sistine chapel. Even the Great Masters had to deal with this sort of struggle. Comic book adaptations are an unique subgroup of the entertainment industry that it has characteristics all there own. We can't get a serious, gritty Batman television series but "Birds of Prey" made it to the screen. No live action X-men show but "Mutant X" got the green light. The attempt to take a known work and change it to appeal to a wider audience than the fan base is the very thing that kills the potential of a project. It makes it seem like they KNOW what the fans want and deliberately screw it up. The best example of someone not knowing what the hell they are talking about is Kevin Smith's explanation of the non flying, non cape wearing Superman movie. But Iron Man, Dark Knight and Watchmen have all moved a hell of a lot closer in the right direction. They may not be PERFECT but they are a lot better than what has gone before. Compare them to Batman Forever or the Captain America movie with the Italian Red Skull who looked like a demented Muppet. And Hollywood is all about trends. That's how the God awful reference movies keep getting cranked out, they make money despite sucking beyond hell. So if you like the DIRECTION Watchmen and Dark Knight are taking the comic book movie world toward, the only way to vote and impress the soulless suits is with the wallets. They need to realize they can get even more money if they just shut up and get out of the damn way.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I paid 36 bucks to see it opening weekend

    by Dr_James_Wilson

    2 IMAX tickets...now why the hell should I spend anymore dough than that? If anything, you should give me a free fucking do-over. Write a better script next time, and maybe more people will see it. <p>As it is, I can't in good conscience recommend this movie to most people I know. I respect the intentions of the people involved, but it just doesn't have that wide appeal that gets great word-of-mouth and does big business.</p>

  • March 13, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    No Squid = No Sale

    by TheJake

    Just kidding. I actually preferred the film's ending to the original story's. The squid was always my one disappointment in the comic. And if you don't like my opinion you can suck my CG blue wang. Do what Hayter says and go check this movie out. Do it for me, do it for you, do it for 8 lb. 6 oz. baby Jesus. Just do it. - this message was sponsored by Nike.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Hayter's a douche, but the movie deserves a second viewing

    by SpyGuy

    After 20 years -- 20 FUCKING YEARS -- of studio bullshit, we finally got a WATCHMEN movie that was far better than anyone expected. Go see it again and save us from more trash like PAUL BLART: MALL COP.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Why this Fanboy Shakes His Head

    by Gbakernyc

    At 50, a fan man perhaps. But this writer's way, way desperate, and rightly so. Watchmen will certainly drop off the radar this weekend. Saw it twice last weekend, and shared it with all the friends I could. And I enjoyed it. But it was seriously flawed, and simply doesn't have the mass appeal it needs to be a blockbuster. The music was painfully heavy handed. Nixon's Pinnochio nose? GMAFB. The new ending? Well, I think that worked, but I understand the criticisms. The acting? Take away Rorschach, and there's little left to be proud of. Clearly a great adaptation of the best graphic novel of all time. But the movie has little or no appeal beyond the existing Watchmen fan base. Who else will care that we see Silk Spectre II putting coffee cups away, or glance at the newstand in passing? Spend the weekend enjoying the penultimate BSG episode, or seeing another movie.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    WTF?

    by HoboCode

    This douche is comparign this shit to apocalypse now and Blade runner? Fuck you.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    "must be read...more than once...faintest grip.."

    by FleshMachine

    stop with this WATCHMEN IS SOO DEEP nonsense...a good book yeah, IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED!!! you'd think they were talking about a Beaudrillard philosophy book or Umberto Eco or something...you know something actually really smart and complicated.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    I'm watching it again, in IMAX

    by Chagui

    It's going to be my first IMAX experience (I missed The Dark Knight). Hopefully I'll get some good seats, last Friday I was on the third row, fucking neck pain.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    "Apocalypse Now? Blade Runner? Kubrick,"

    by FleshMachine

    OMFG NO!!! starship troopers maybe.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Delusions of Grandeur much??

    by FleshMachine

    they brought on the WRONG FUCKING DIRECTOR WHO HAS NO IDEA HOW TO HANDLE DEPTH.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    "All this time, you’ve been waiting for a director who.....

    by harrys_site_sucks

    was going to hit you in the face with this story....." Aw hell no! Fuck that shit. All I ever have been waiting for it a MINI-SEIRES (ala HBO) that wouldn't leave a panel out or a word unchanged. Screw you for mucking it up and assuming what I wanted. Fuck that ending too.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Does it make some of you feel big to talk shit?

    by TheLastCleric

    You do realize that this man is what most of you loud, arrogant, maladjusted posers pretend to be? He’s out there, in the real world, writing films and even acting in them from time to time. He’s one of the talents behind the first two X-Men films which, in case you weren’t paying attention, were both precursors for the subsequent quality comic book adaptations we have been enjoying ever since. The man is also a phenomenal voice actor as he’s being doing the voice of Snake in the Metal Gear Solid games for years. And you motherfuckers are talking down to him? You are calling him desperate? You, the great mass of pseudo-intellectuals, those brilliant artisans and scholars who are working on your own great works in between those assistant management positions at Starbucks and Gamestop? If you fools really paid attention to what he was saying, you’d understand his point was very simple: like it or hate it, the adaptation of Watchmen was a passionate, sincere and earnest undertaking and represents a serious divergence from the typical Hollywood approach to the genre. It’s success means that other potential films can be made in the same manner, reducing or perhaps even eliminating the need for studios to trim, dumb down or flatly eviscerate our beloved properties for the sake of trying to sell toys and cereal. The real problem is that many of you are so myopic, self-centered and full of your own pretentions of intelligence and superiority that you can’t or won’t concede that an endeavor that doesn’t get your seal of approval can still be viable and posses merit. Good luck with that.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Now re-read it in the voice of Solid Snake.

    by Fawst

    I agree with David on all of this. Kudos to you for blatantly saying "buy another ticket." It takes guts to come out and ask people to do something like that to support something you love. I applaud it.<br><br>The thing is... it's true. This type of film making is going to live or die based on the success of Watchmen. I think that people need to try and separate themselves mentally from the comic when they see it, because frankly... it's not the fucking comic. It's its own animal. While I didn't LOVE it, I absolutely respected it, and appreciated it. And that's the same way I felt about the comic originally. I didn't truly embrace it until my second read.<br><br>This is a movie that breaks boundaries. In this era of digital immediatism, it's a challenge to the moviegoing audiences to slow down. Take a deep breath. Linger over the putrid stench of darkness. Now marvel at its beauty.<br><br>Watchmen is not something to be taken lightly. At least half the audience enjoyed themselves on opening night. That's about the amount of people that stood up and clapped when the credits came up.<br><br>Much like a wine, this film doesn't reveal itself fully on first taste. I think David is right. Go back and have another taste.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    "made by fans, for fans". thats the problem

    by FleshMachine

    SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE BY A GREAT DIRECTOR FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTELLEGENT ART!!

  • March 13, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    "behind the first two X-Men films "

    by FleshMachine

    and you think that qualifies him for WATCHMEN!?!?!?!?!?

  • March 13, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Sithscorp and his bro.

    by Bjornegar

    Hanging. Repeating "one of us, one of us, one of us" over and over again. Sounds like a great time. Just imagine the ballsiness they could contact over their domestic brews. High five!

  • March 13, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    They could CONCOCT.

    by Bjornegar

    That is all.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    david

    by Vitter

    is snake real name

  • March 13, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    HoraceS: no perfect works of art???

    by FleshMachine

    have ever been to a major art gallery? read any classic literature? listened to any great albums? i agree that perfection is subjective but thats the dumbest thing ive heard in a while

  • March 13, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Wow - Just Wow

    by SagaciousPenguin

    I find it really hilarious that so many of you talk-backers thrive on having these million dollar blockbusters to converse about but are so utterly and completely cynical about giving anyone money to make them. Hayter is absolutely right. Whether you love or hate the film, if you like the concept of the R-rated superhero flick there's no question that Watchmen's performance this weekend will impact the fate of this unproven genre. It's a simple truth and anyone screaming that studios and screenwriters don't deserve the money it takes to make these things come to life should probably go find something else to discuss passionately -- because clearly you don't value the existence of these media properties...

  • March 13, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    This could backfire on Hayter

    by WizardandGlass

    That was a really awkward, desperate letter. I really enjoyed Watchmen, but I shouldn't be made to feel guilty for not going to see it again. It's a 3 hour movie for christ's sake, and the next time I see it will be in the comfort of my own home. I'm not shelling out another $9.50 when I already know I'm looking at spending $25-30 bucks on the Blu-Ray. This is really demeaning to the fans...pressuring people just because all signs are pointing to about a 70% drop this weekend? How is that all problem? I went to see the movie, I recommended it to everyone I know, I spoke highly of it on MULTIPLE websites such as this one. So now you're telling me that's not enough for you? Blow me.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    SagaciousPenguin

    by FleshMachine

    bullshit. we just want competent directors to make them. also even if this fails financially it will not be the end of big budget R rated sci-fi, comic/whatever films. that's nonsense hyperbole. once the dust settles and some time passes... failures have NEVER stopped hollywood from trying again.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    I f***ing dare you to say any one of those things about this mov

    by catlettuce4

    the ending was a MASSIVE Hollywood puss-out. It makes zero fucking sense, as Massa pointed out - A US superweapon (Manhatten) apparently destroys millions of people worldwide and nobody blames the US? that defeats the entire point of the GN's ending - the threat has to be otherworldly so there's nobody to blame, THAT'S what unites everyone. The letter's a blatant attempt to get people to see the film now numbers are flagging - well FUCK YOU David.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    HoraceS

    by Jax

    You've completely missed a very important point in pining away that studios will never make another great comic book movie due to the failure of Watchmen: "Dark Knight". Does anybody really believe that studios will completely give up on comic movies after its success? Hollywood is like a copy machine. If it works once, do it again, and again, and again, ad nauseum. Now, while we may see studios take less chances in the future, I think they were doing that anyway with the bad economy. Hollywood generally makes what sells. It's a business. I actually think studios will look at Wathcmen and think, "Well, there's obviously a market out there, but let's not spend $150 million on it."

  • March 13, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Jax

    Dude, he lost me when he started asking if this movie was Blade Runner or a Kubrik film when it so obviously isn't. I had trouble getting through the rest of the letter after that.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Fuck you perfectionist/hater/whiners...

    by DoctorWho?

    Don't act as if any human being could ever make a version of this that would match the vision in your head. You're full of shit. You don't like the film...fine. Don't pretend that an HBO mini series is the answer...Jesus fucking Christ are you kidding me?<p> Move on losers.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    TheLastCleric

    by Jax

    Dude, he creates a PRODUCT. A product I spend MY hard earned dineros on. If he were McDonalds selling the McWatchmen, and it left a bad taste in my mouth, I have a right to complain. I can respect him for trying to make a hamburger, but if I don't like it, so be it. Deal with. Sometimes people will eat your shit, sometimes they won't . Welcome to the big time.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    the ending was a MASSIVE Hollywood puss-out.

    by FleshMachine

    yep. the whole point of the original (and awesome cool) ending was based on r. reagan's real quote about needing an alien invasion to unite us.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    "Please watch my movie........"

    by jarjarmessiah

    What a crybaby. I was going to see it, but this bitch-ass whining makes me want to download the torrent.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Jax

    by HoraceS

    The Dark Knight is not R-Rated and, awesome as it is, does not have the cerebral quality that Watchmen has by it's nature as a relatively faithful Alan Moore adaptation.<p>Sorry, but I want to live in a world where a work like From Hell would get a real adaptation and not a glossed over piece of shit that barely has anything to do with the source material. Better yet, a world where original and thoughtful adult oriented movies are made. A world where a Watchmen movie made as faithfully as this one was is not such a world.<p>So go ahead and nitpick it to death. I hope you like the Fantastic Four movies.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    There just aren't enough GOOD superhero flicks.

    by JDanielP

    Hollywood has LONG been behind the game, when it comes to the superhero. If you take any superhero comic book series (quality or not) and realize it as a motion picture, the cost and risk is on an enormously larger scale. And the number of people involved is in great contrast, as well. <P>So I find it to be an...all too rare of a TREAT...to have such a run at the movies, with IRON MAN, THE INCREDIBLE HULK, THE DARK KNIGHT, and now WATCHMEN. <P>Bless you, Hollywood. --Please keep it up.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Condescending

    by Coma Baby

    Dude, you're not doing yourself any favors here. That Sally line was creepy and smug. And, he's being more than a little disingenuous - lots of things were changed in the movie from minor interesting details to major plot points (like the ending) no doubt to please producers or because they felt the story worked better that way. I like that he's proud of the film and he's clearly excited about it. But don't patronize us. In some ways I totally agree with him. I think the film is excellent and maybe worth seeing twice (despite some reservations). Even if you don't go away liking it, you will go away thinking about it, which to me is worth more than a movie like Iron Man (which I really liked, so, sorry to single it out, but haven't thought about much since). But he comes off as really condescending here - like he and Zack and everyone involved are cultural saviors or something. If this film doesn't do well, it's not the end of the world. He should hang back and let the film speak for itself - I think it does a better job.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    God some of you people are so stupid.

    by FluffyUnbound

    You can't even understand a direct communication. Hayter is not arguing that the film is SO GOOD that you have to see it twice. He explicitly says that's not his argument. So every last one of you people who has posted anything in this thread about the film's quality is a fucking moron. His explicit argument is that the film took exactly the sort of chances the average person who frequents this website says [it's probably a lie, but they say it] they want films to take, and that if the movie is a failure the studios will probably never allow that again. So whatever you think of this property, if there's any OTHER property you don't want to see get neutered you have to consider supporting this one. And maybe Hayter is dead wrong in this argument, and if you think so, say so. But don't argue against something the guy explicitly says isn't his point. // You know who the OTHER really fucking stupid people here are? The ones who want to argue that the changed ending "messes the story up" because it "wouldn't work". Um, listen douchebags, Veidt's plan is NOT SUPPOSED TO be sure of working. It's SUPPOSED TO BE ambiguous whether the peace will hold. Maybe you're right and Vedit fucked up and the rest of the world will turn against the US. We're supposed to wonder whether it would work, and what that says about the moral choices of everyone involved. So you're patting yourselves on the back for raising an objection to the outcome that was ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. // I really can't stand how stupid you fuckers are sometimes.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Seen it 3 times already...

    by Squidgy_Faced_Vigilante

    ...going back for a 4th this weekend. Please don't tell me I'm not doing MY part. I thought it was absolutely God-damned brilliantly adapted. Best version we could have ever wished for, fuck all you haters, go back to watching the original X-Men movie or some other bullshit that completely missed the mark instead of what I think is an absolutely gorgeous movie that will stand the test of time. I think this movie will be more loved as time passes.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    This film is vulgar, boring and lacks balls AND intelligence

    by kungfugazi

    I sincerely challenge someone to make sense of the ending. Why would the world unite in peace against the supper man? Instead of it creating a new type of cold war?

  • March 13, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Got tired of looking at the blue guy's schlong!

    by Nesstar

    It really detracted from the whole scene whenever they showed him.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT a 9.5,...WATCHMEN & IRON MAN a 9.0

    by JDanielP

    And THE INCREDIBLE HULK gets an 8.0 (out of 10). --I hope to catch WATCHMEN again, then I'll be picking it up (day one) on blu-ray. (Hell yes, I'll be supporting this!)

  • March 13, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    This requires a 2nd viewing

    by Magnum Opus

    How many missed the easter eggs on their first viewing? Like how it shows why Batman never happened? That scene was fucking amazing, and I totally missed it my first viewing.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    HoraceS

    by Jax

    I guess I don't understand what you really want. "The Dark Knight" in my opinion has MUCH more cerebral themes than "Watchmen" the movie does. I guess you just want R-rated comic book movies? Why does it matter if its R rated or not? This movie could have EASILY been PG-13 and be the same movie. I thought it was a little gratuitous in the nudity, sex, and violence, and really didn't make a point.<br /><br />As to there being thoughtful, adult oriented movies being made, I thought you lived in one? Did you see "The Wrestler"? How about "The Reader"? How about "Let The Right One In"? Oh, sorry, none of them dress in spandex and fight crime. (Well, the Wrestler dresses in spandex, so its half way there).<br /><br />Maybe I'm getting older, or maybe I just don't look at comics the same way I look at great Shakesperean plays or the movies of the French New Wave. Comics in there history have been largely for the masses with a special consideration for children. Some have speculated that for most of the history of comics they were largely works for the illiterate, but I think that's a gross simplification. In the end, to me, "The Dark Knight" is the ultimate comic book movie. It has great action, a determination to take the source seriously, and maintains the primary themes in most hero stories: good triumphs over evil.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    FluffyUnbound

    by FleshMachine

    do you really expect us to read a post that begins with "God some of you people are so stupid."?

  • March 13, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    FleshMachine

    by Jax

    LOL

  • March 13, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    The box office demise of this movie was wholly predictable

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I'd toot my own horn for a talkback post made several months ago, but really, I was far from the only one who saw it and it didn't take Adrian Veidt to figure it out. Big opener thanks to embedded fanbase and then a precipitous drop, a grueling crawl to middling profitability thanks to foreign receipts and DVD. The material is just too esoteric and dense to play in middle American multiplexes. 300 was a simple against-the-odds story with lots of violence, and thus a big hit. Watchmen is just too damn hard for people who want simple escapist entertainment, despite the genius of the source material. This movie was a folly from the beginning. Proof positive that a cable miniseries was the way to go, or else it should've just stayed on the shelf. Ah well. Hayter is wrong, but also right. I haven't seen this film and won't until cable or DVD, because for every 3-time viewer there's someone like me who believes the definitive version has already been done and that a film is superfluous, and there aren't enough mainstream viewers to fill in the gap. Fortunately The Dark Knight's half a billion domestic gross plus the success of Iron Man will guarantee a future of some sort for superhero films.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    David Hayter, based on your letter I will not see it again this

    by Leafar the Lost

    I will wait until Monday to see it. Why? Your letter seemed so... pathetic. Watchman is a great movie, and I encourage everyone to see it. It is very faithful to the comic book. I enjoyed seeing the graphic sex and violence. HOWEVER, you don't have to beg people to see great movies. It should be #1 again this weekend, but because of your letter one less person will be seeing it this weekend. Yeah, good job there Davie...

  • March 13, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Nerds can't see the forest thru the trees.

    by riskebiz

    No .. nerds have to get out their microscopes and examine the fauna around the trees to see if it's the forest they imagined in their little minds. Watch the dang film and enjoy it for what is is: A truly great piece of filmmaking that is as close to a perfect Watchmen film as humanly possible. These nitpickers are now giving permission to studio suits to interfere and tell directors like Zack Snyder what to do and how to do it. You want a Watchmen movie with fart jokes? You got it fanboy ... hope you're happy.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    So we can have MORE pretentious, overrated shit? No thanks.

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    <br><Br>I'll pass. Hell, I made sure I bought a ticket to something else the first time, so Watchmen wouldn't get my money!<br><br>

  • March 13, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    "Please go see the movie again next weekend."

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    Does the torrent count Davey????

  • March 13, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Props to OldHat and NiteWatchman

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Man, it's good to know guys who probably invented comics get this flick. Good posts. I'd like to see people who think the book is far superior to the film put their cred out there. Tell us when you first read Watchmen. I first read it back in 1992, in trade form...not knowing that I was fucking Alan Moore in the process.<p>Oh, you didn't know? Well, WB has been putting out those trades since the miniseries ended to fuck Alan Moore's asshole and own his property in perpetuity. So, if you read this in trade form, and not in the comics, you paid to fuck Alan Moore in the ass.<p>Financially speaking.<p>And, unfortunately, I didn't care about the whithertos and whyfores of comics back then, I just thought this was a fundamentally disturbing take on comic heroes, and was the kind of shit that should exist to push comics forward. Since, I've read lots of Moore, got into the Sandman series. Drank beers with Neil Gaiman, and chatted with him about lying on resumes, and how quantum mechanics means that it's not wrong to do so.<p>So, if you bought this in trade form, you're complicit in fucking the artist over. If you own the comics, good on you...I think the flick is great, saw it for a third time, and brought friends. Then, on Hayter's suggestion, raped them.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    "You want a Watchmen movie with fart jokes? "

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    Hell yes, just to see the look on Alan Moore's face!!!

  • March 13, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin: Comedian follow-upmedian follow-up

    by mbeemer

    "Okay, I must be fucking shrooming. Because in the movie I saw, in the theater...it's explained why Comedian had to die. By Ozy. And it makes sense." <P> I must have been napping. I remember Ozy saying the Comedian "figured it out", but that's it. They made it clear he had to die because of how he REACTED to what he knew, but not HOW he knew it.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    "you paid to fuck Alan Moore in the ass."

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    And I don't feel guilty about it..........unlike some of the other plants on this talkback.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I'm gonna watch this a second and maybe a third time...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...in theatres. And hopefully a dozen of times more on DVD. Yes, DVD. FUCK BLU-RAY and all other HD media bs.<p>I really loved WATCHMEN! Kudos to all involved!

  • March 13, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    "He made 2001; you wrote The Scorpion King."

    by FleshMachine

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

  • March 13, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Seen it twice

    by blimblambloo

    and I plan on seeing it a third time, maybe this weekend in Imax. Yep, I'm one of those who read it when it originally came out and a dozen or more times since. I have to say I enjoyed it much more on the second viewing.

  • March 13, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Cheeky fucker

    by chuffsterUK

    Is he going to pay me to watch it again then?

  • March 13, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Tool Box of Historic Proporotions

    by karterhol

    I can't respond better than my good friend Greg Lee: This has to be one of the most embarrassing moments in the history of filmmaking. I entered college, still a virgin, at the height of 6'3", weighing 155 pounds, most of it carried in my enormous head... and yet, somehow, I was NEVER this desperate. It's like a guy begging a girl to have pity sex with him - but by telling her how his cock only LOOKS small, when in fact, it is HUGE. And how she'll only realize that after she fucks him twice. This guy should shoot himself, but the bullet would be too embarrassed to enter his skull. Holy God.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Saw it... hurm

    by Capn Canucklehead

    It was good. I'll give it that and Snyder pulled off some amazing moments loved the shot of young Walter in the opening credits. The violence was overkill throughout the movie and then the ending was just blank (I'm with Massa on that). As far as the other bits go - thta's what happens when you adapt something into film and you've gotta accept it. Just look at LOTR - not perfect by any stretch... The ROTK really killed it with the ending, but pretty good nonetheless and it was as good as a movie could be. That's the way I felt after Watchmen - I was just glad that we got such a good version onto the screen. And as for the Hayter, I'd love to see it again but my kids have gotta eat!

  • March 13, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Mixed feelings about this letter

    by BobParr

    I throughly enjoyed this movie and a screenwriter has the right to give the finger to all the geeks who decided to hate this movie the moment the director and cast were announced. But don't beg me to see it again. Nobody from TDK needed to publicly request we take another $10 out of our wallet for their affirmation. People will return based on the merits of the film.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    If Snake says so

    by shaft478

    I'll watch it again. All of you asshats take this shit way too seriously.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Hey Beemer..and Yoda

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Nice to see you again man. <p>In Ozy's little speechlet thing he talks about Nixon knowing, and then the Comedian finding out and being soft about it...it's right after a bunch of evil looking punishment to Rorschach...as Ozy's heading up the stairs.<p>Don't get the feeling that I get all weepy eyed over Moore's situation. He's been more than enough of a prick in his own right, I'm just saying that all these people who feel some kind of loyalty to the book should at least say, yeah, fuck the guy that wrote it, fuck the guy that drew it...but the story is sacrosanct...and that makes them a buncha hypocritical twats.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    OR you could go see Race to Witch Mountain.

    by Jawa 007

    No squid in that either.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Go to Hell Hayter!!

    by The_joker

    I was thinking about watching this again until I read your pity party of a letter. Seriously! You dare me to find the ways you pussed out! NUMBER ONE. Having Rorshach whack the Pedophile with a butcher knife instead of burning him alive. Why? Because you thought people would think you were stealing from SAW! Screw You! Lame! NUMBER TWO. The pussed out ending. Now I wasn't a defender of the Squid, but after seeing the movie, and moreso after reading your letter, I was wrong! You're begging for a big second weekend? But, this new ending was supposed to make it more accessible right? This should've been more palletable for the average moviegoing audience right? Are you saying Dr. Manhattan and Laurie standing over a crater resonates with the average movie audience about as well as a Giant Squid towering over piles of dead bodies? Face it, maybe you guys didn't make as good of a movie as you thought you did. That's sure what it sounds like. Don't beg, just let your work stand on it's own.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    They should release an PG-13 version for the kids!!!

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Just like they did with SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER back in the day. The marketing can claim "Now EVERYONE can see the classic film that Harry Knowles et. al. calls..."

  • March 13, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    by brownbuffalo

    The Watchmen was a brilliant adaptation for you all you fucking losers that are crying over a damn SQUID!!!!!!! Get a fucking life! I hated Snyder's Dawn of the Dead remake, but what he did with the Watchmen is brilliant. I would love for him to reboot the Punisher movies.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    that was the most pathetic thing i have ever read

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    This makes Harry's pimping of "FailBoys" almost palatable.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Who watches the assholes?

    by brownbuffalo

    Snyder directed an excellent adaptation of the Watchmen! All you fucking losers keep crying about a damn SQUID! Shut up! Most of you probably illegally downloaded the damn thing and dish out criticism as if you really know what the hell you're talking about. This movie is too damn smart for the average American. If you want to eat shit, buy advanced tickets for the Queerlight Series (Twilight Series)!! If you have brains, go see the Watchmen tonight and a real theater, not on your mommy's laptop while you sit in your dark bedroom!

  • March 13, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    More stupidity

    by FluffyUnbound

    "But, this new ending was supposed to make it more accessible right?" Wrong. No one has ever said that. The filmmakers said that they changed it for exactly two reasons, neither of which has to do with accessibility. They changed it because the new ending takes less time to set up, and the movie is almost three hours long. And they changed it because after giving ground in a lot of other disputes, the studio simply refused to allow them to show the graphic civilian deaths the squid ending entailed.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    This Talkback Will Become Epic!

    by JackLucas

    Fuck sake. Really, guys? Really?

  • March 13, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    And Fleshmachine, I don't expect you to read anything at all

    by FluffyUnbound

    Because if you're one of the people I'm talking to you're too stupid to read. That's my point. Maybe it's foolish to berate stupid people for their lack of reading comprehension when the only way you can do so is in writing, but I'm willing to accept that. Most of my posts I'm actually writing for myself, anyway, so ultimately I don't give a shit if you read it or not.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Jax... You are blind in your own snobbery

    by Redbox Vacation

    Shakespeare was for the masses. As was Opera. You weren't there and I get that you are quite limited by the things beyond your eyesight and catered demographic. A great story, great literature, great art is not determined by Genre, but by artist and content. If you don't allow brilliance to come from unexpected places then you are indeed old and so sadly myopic. Cheers pudding brain!

  • March 13, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Sally Comparison...not too good

    by LP421

    Yes, because the best way to convince us to see it again is to compare us to someone who goes back to their attempted rapist...This is a particular good argument to make about a movie where possibly the weakest actress in a major movie I've ever seen was cast as Silk Spectre, yes misogyny cannot be cried when you add that. Not to mention "The ending doesn't make any sense" comes less out of fanboy anger than the fact that earth uniting against an EXTERNAL UNEXPLAINED enemy would much more plausibly cause world peace, than the world being attacked by a FORMER DIRECT SYMBOL of US SUPREMACY who went OUT OF THEIR CONTROL and killed millions

  • March 13, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Some of you guys seem really angry...

    by Darth Macchio

    so buck up little troopers! There's always next Christmas! Don't jump off the bridge! Turn that angry frown into a happy clown!!! Get a couple kazoos and watch MTV with some friends while playing along with the music!! If that doesn't work you can always clean out each other's assholes with clorox or something.<p>And don't forget to call me an asshat for daring not to think exactly as you, you fucking wankers! Hahahah! Mus be cuz I got no reedin comohenzen eh Dr. Suess??<p>Ok, sorry bout all that. Had to vent a little, make myself present in this potentially minor legendary TB, be a pretentious asshole, etc...usual shit for a Friday I s'pose. Farts in elevators can be easily covered up with a simple clearing of the throat. In fact, this works anywhere. No need to walk in pain at the grocery store! Clear the throat, release the hounds!

  • March 13, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Starship Troopers: Marauder

    by zinc_chameleon

    was a fine example of how good you can make a sci-fi flick on a limited budget. Funny as hell!

  • March 13, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Jax, FluffyUnbound

    by HoraceS

    I'm not saying that Watchmen is better than the Dark Knight. I just mean that it's a lot easier to make a PG-13 movie, but you're going to lose the ability to explore certain themes and show certain images. You can argue whether or not Watchmen explored those themes adaquatly or not but the fact is that if Watchmen bombs it will be that much harder to make R rated big budget movies. I'm not speaking of comic book movies specifically. <p> FluffyUnbound is right. I would just add on to his post that Watchmen is awesome and there is an awful lot of unnecessary nit picking going on out there.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    What is wrong with you people?

    by TedKordLives

    Can you not see that, at the very least, a CORPORATION let ZS make a very expensive, very risky, TOTALLY BALLS OUT (in every way) movie. Forget for a second that it's an adaptation. When was the last time a huge, expensive movie was this explicit, this up front with its violence, sex, and sexuality. We should all be supporting this film just because if we don't, then it's back to watered down, pc bullshit like we've had for the last 20 years. hey-zeus e christo, you guys want to cut off your noses just to spite your faces. Me, I'm taking a 90 minute trip tomorrow so I can see it again in IMAX. Then I'll probably see it again before the week is over. Of course, this is the closest I'll ever get to seeing the Blue Beetle on the big screen, so I am a tad biased. But still, wake up people. We need this movie, whether you like it or not.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I'm seeing it again today

    by BillboeFett

    Probably an earlier showing before all the high schools let out.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives is right.

    by HoraceS

    "We need this movie, whether you like it or not." <p> The suits are watching. Are they going to give their directors something closer to free reign or will the focus groups rule? Think carefully before you shit all over this movie.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    NO ONE WATCHES THE WATCHMEN

    by theplant

    HOW IRONIC <p> GREENGRASS, COME BACK ! REMAKE AND REBOOT THIS PIECE OF TRASH JUST LIKE LETERRIER DID WITH HULK !

  • March 13, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    that dementedness - that disturbing lack of soul or humor to the violence in this movie was not a misfire on the directors part - those scenes were needed and needed to be as ugly as they were - its a big part of what the movie (and book) is about - on the assumption theyre real, what exactly is a super hero? - were the comedian and rorschach heroes? - they were violent, selfish, vengeful monsters with no sense of empathy or remorse - their acts of violence in the movie were not meant to be seen as cool or cathartic or funny - i loved that - but maybe i didnt get it - some people behind me laughed when that prisoner got deep fried and when the pedophile got hacked - i was a bit shocked - and i read the book - but its different in a comic - people laugh at violence in movies like this because they need to not because its particularly funny - i found all the ugly scenes in this movie disturbing and i think that was the intent - im seeing it again

  • March 13, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    imax vs regular screening

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i saw it on an imax screen - does anyone know if the format/framing is different seen on a regular screen - was it shot wider? - it was amazing in imax

  • March 13, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    If it's in the book, it's in the movie

    by AlwaysThere

    Get back to recording the EA intro, David, don't lower yourself by begging with this shameful play

  • March 13, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Redbox Vacation

    by Jax

    I never made a statement of quality about comics compared to other arts. I said that maybe I personally don't look at comics the same way I look at other arts. There are obviously comics that have touched a nerve in people, ala "Watchmen", "Dark Knight Returns". I just feel that comics are too limiting an art form to break into the stratosphere of "great art".<br /><br />It's not snobbery to say that part of the comic genre is action. Action is one defining element of comics. So when one goes to see a comic book movie, they expect action, no matter what the marketing. (I am allowing that there are exceptions to this rule) It's perfectly fine to break genre conventions, but you better do a damn fine job, or else people will have negative reactions.<br /><br />Could comics be considered great art someday? Sure. Like you said, Shakespeare and Opera were for the masses. Of course, Shakespeare was also highly regarded my the masses at the time. While comics have gained a lot of popular support, I would venture to say they have a long way to go to gain the respect enjoyed by other highly regarded art forms.<br /><br />I admit my hang-ups. We all have them. I do try and look past them, but as with any bias, it's a constant battle. Maybe it's because comics are so flooded with mediocre material it's hard to find the better works. Whatever it is, this movie failed to make a case to me. And I genuinely wanted to like it, too.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    If it's in the book, it's in the movie

    by AlwaysThere

    EA needs to get David back in the studio to record those intros and not lower himself by offering this embarrassment of a plea letter.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    one more thing on the violence...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    if i have one criticism on the depiction of the gore and violence - it is that snyder tends to linger a beat or two longer than needed - less can be more sometimes - but then again, maybe he is making some point by forcing the viewer to look (or look away) longer than they really want to - he did it in 300 - like with the beheading of the captains son

  • March 13, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    How Low Can Dave Hayter go?

    by misterk360

    To see him "beg" people to go see the awful fucking movie he wrote because his career is now in jeopardy- and the worse part- is if people DO go see it, it will be a trend for ALLl the studios to have people who worked on the film get on their knees and beg people to go see it when it tanks.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    he isnt begging you to see it...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    he is suggesting that if you have seen it and liked it and plan on seeing it again, see it again sooner rather than later - that was my take

  • March 13, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Gore, Violence, and Sex

    by Jax

    I guess I don't understand what was so shocking about the gore, violence, and sex in this movie. It was pretty tame by some R movie standards. I guess I felt a lot of the violence was tempered by the fact that there was a big blue dude hanging around most of the time. Made the violence less real.

  • March 13, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Watchmen Needed The Death Of An Actor

    by PITCHPERFECT

    like The Dark Knight did and then the regular folk who never would have come out to see a superhero movie would have turned up in the thousands to gawk at the last performance of(add actor) either that or cast Christian Bale in every role of the Watchmen so that all the fan boys around these parts can give him lots of man love.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Oh yes he is...

    by misterk360

    Because if you read between the lies, you'll seee the voice of one very scared man. This guy pretty much has a career devoted to comic adaptation and voiceovers, so If Watchmen bombs, he won't be getting to many gigs in the future.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Thanks, HoraceS

    by TedKordLives

    You are officially the first person to acknowledge one of my posts, other than my first post ('Hey, this is my first post.' 'Welcome to AICN."). It seems like a lot of people are missing the point here. He's not worried about his career, he's worried about the future of cinema. As I have been for the past, I don't know, decade? Remember 1999? What a great, groundbreaking year for cinema that was? Watchmen could do that again, all by itself, if the geeks would unite for once. I'm going around work begging people to go see WM on Hayter's behalf. "This is important. This means something." I really think it does.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    misterk360

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    no gigs from you i guess - but his career is in no real danger

  • March 13, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    He was one of 2 guyvers

    by ulyboy

    They made the first one with jack armstrong playing shawn and that was a movie that played in theaters, then they made the far better direct to VIDEO emphasis on video cause this was way back in 94 and that one starred Dave Hayter as the Shawn/Guyver. And actually this letter is not at all surprising coming from him. On the amazon page for guyver 2, he wrote a comment/letter thanks the fans of that movie for giving him his start in hollywood. He also wrote the first 2 x-men movies. I bet right now he's sitting on a script for a hard core $150 million R rated 3-D guyver adaption with a cgi guyver and zoanoids. He wants to make that movie and if this movie tanks that movie will never get made.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    so forced rape is good?

    by ZO

    i wonder what women groups will protest

  • March 13, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    TedKordLives

    by HoraceS

    When you're right, you're right. And right now, you're right!

  • March 13, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    The future of cinema and geek film....

    by Darth Macchio

    Well, all opinions on WM aside...isn't this introducing an artificiality in the business? This is somewhat balzebub's advocate here as I agree that we need more ambitious projects like Snyder's Watchmen and less of Mr. Fantastic busting a move on the dance floor and Thing dropping idiot highschool kid lingo but if a movie sucks, then it should be allowed to suck and if its great enough to get people to see it multiple times in a row then they'll do that. I saw Braveheart like 3 weekends in a row and all 3 Lord of the Rings movies at least twice in the theater within a week or 2 of each viewing. If someone had asked me to see it again if I liked it I wouldn't have balked at the idea but it does sound like its introducing an inorganic element into the proceedings and as Popeye says "Wrong is wrong, even if it helps ya!"<p>Then again, I'd love to never ever see big studio money spent on shit like the FF movies or (ugh) Catwoman, Daredevil, etc so even if it is artificial or even wrong, it's better than getting more chuckEcheese bullshit rom-com comic book movies.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Solid Snake cries because the movie is a flop

    by ominus

    first of all,whoever doesnt know it,david hayter is the voice of solid snake for all the usa releases of metal gear solid games. <p>now since the movie is a flop as u can see here: http://tinyurl.com/bmpnwy <p>so solid snake cries and begs us to go and watch his and snyders crapfest,because the things arent going very well for this franchise. <p>what am i saying? FUCK YEAH AND FUCK THEM.MOORE GOT HIS REVENGE.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Jax...

    by Redbox Vacation

    I get ya. But I think you mean "Superhero Comics" and not comix. Try these off the top of my head. Maus (Art Spieglman), The Spirit (Will Eisner), The Rabbi's Cat (Joann Sfar), The Unknown Soldier (1988 12 part series by Jim Owsley), The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Alan Moore), Criminal (Ed Brubaker), Sleeper (Ed Brubaker), Starman ( James Robinson and Tony Harris), Fables (Bill Willingham), Ghost World (Daniel Clowes), The Sandman ; Season of Mists (Neil Gaiman), Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth (Chris Ware), Love and Rockets (Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez), Astro City (Kurt Busiek), The Books of Magic (1993 Neil Gaiman)... Only 1 or two of those are even arguably "hero books" but I would argue there is a lot of great art in that small list..

  • March 13, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Or if it made you say "meh"

    by necgray

    What then, Mr. Hayter? What if I shrugged mightily? What if I thought, "that was okay" and then moved on with my life? Tell you what, how about I DON'T spend another $12 to have a film director shout, "hey guys, look at me, aren't I cool, aren't I one of you" for three hours? I liked a lot of the film, and I might have been inclined to catch a matinee 2nd viewing, but bullshit pandering like this stops me short. And please, Mr. Hayter, don't act like you understand this crowd and then commence to cajoling them into spending extra money (in such an awesome economy) on your fucking film. You understand nothing.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    DAVID, WRITE METAL GEAR ALREADY!

    by Chutch

    not metal gear solid, that can be the third one. oh and its the power of the squid that determines the power of the fans, so don't piss in their eye next time.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Cult Classic

    by Sirmausalot

    Yup. It's going to make it as a cult classic and eventually make some studio a LOT of money. But it may not be a huge second weekend kind of film. And studios will continue to put out the less obviously commercial work at the same slow pace they always do. Brazil got made, so did Blade Runner. Watchman won't make or break anything and I doubt Mr Hayter's letter will make a bit of difference to the bottom line. That said, I would like to see the movie again. But not this weekend. BTW, great script :-)

  • March 13, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    When you an OK film, you only get an OK box office

    by The Lonely Dachshund

    Mr. Hayter, <P> You guys didn’t make an amazing, widely appealing film. So, don’t ask for an amazing, wide spread box office. <P> Desperately asking fans to support the film just so more films like it will be made is faulty logic at best. That’s like saying “eat whatever we feed you or we’ll let you starve. And if you starve, that’s your fault.” How about this? Make an entertaining film that is respectful of its source material and accessible and engaging to everyone and we’ll fervently support it. <P> If WATCHMEN blew everyone away, you wouldn’t be writing this letter. And it’s not about being authentic to the source material or catering to fans. DON’T HIDE BEHIND THAT EXCUSE! Peter Jackson took liberties with the “Lord of the Rings” films from the source material and those movies did just fine. Why? Because they were entertaining to fans and non-fans alike. Same as “Batman Begins” and “The Dark Knight.” Neither of them were slavish adaptations but still found the life inside the material and projected it on the screen. I have never read an “Iron Man” comic book in my life but I had a great time watching the movie. <P> Don’t put the blame on the fans for not supporting this and that it is somehow our fault for not embracing your film. A great movie is a great movie. Period. And if you had made a great movie, we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place. So, please, don’t ask the fans to act as if this is a great movie and try to give it a great box office simply so you guys will have another opportunity to make another soulless adaptation further down the road. <P> The Lonely Dachshund

  • March 13, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Jax, art has always been a product.

    by TheLastCleric

    Dickens was paid by the word and quite literally every artist out there dreams of doing what they love for a paycheck, so your comment about it being a product lacks profundity or insight. The film, like the graphic novel, is art, whether or not you personally like it. If this was a letter from somebody like Uwe Boll or Anderson, then I could understand the response that some of you are unleashing here but Hayter and Snyder are not the problem with Hollywood and if you think they are you are delusional. Snyder put his balls on the line by spending 120 million dollars of studio money to make a very literal adaptation of a dense, complicated graphic novel and that fact alone means he and those who worked on the film deserve some measure of respect. I understand that there are plenty of people who didn’t like this film and while I don’t agree with their rationale I can respect their derision because my opinion doesn’t require their consensus to appreciate what Snyder has accomplished. What irks me is the ridiculous level of exaggerated hate this film has received when there is literally an endless supply of insipid shit to ridicule and deride coming out of the Hollywood machine, including the next romantic comedy starring Kate Hudson and an endless string of parody films. The Watchmen film doesn’t deserve this level of hatred simply because a handful of vocal fan boys cut a slit into their copies of the Watchmen GN and dry fucked it while chanting Allen Moore repeatedly. The hate is extreme, hyperbolic, and just plain fucking ridiculous and worse, it’s typically short sighted; the pedantic, banal musings of blowhards who found a voice on the net and made that voice shrill and unpleasant.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    DAVID, DON'T WRITE METAL GEAR

    by BILLCLINTONS_CUMSTAIN

    You've already fucked one story, don't want you fucking another. Get me the Nolans please!

  • March 13, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is this shit about it being a "flop"...

    by Ravetin

    ...Good God, it's been out a week. It's already made $100m world wide. With a $100m production budget and reportedly $50m on marketing I'd say this thing will clear the break even point. DVD sales should be a nice little profit as well. Just because something doesn't gross Dark Knight numbers doesn't mean it failed.

  • March 13, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Ravetin...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    you hit the nail on the head

  • March 13, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I've seen it 3 times already. It is a masterpiece.

    by antonphd

    I hope to god this doesn't drop like a rock this weekend or it's true... we won't see another film this daring for another 30-40 years.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    The Lonely Dachshund

    by Redbox Vacation

    See, the fact that "widely appealing" and "Amazing" go together in your mind, that says so much. So many great things don't have wide appeal. That's probably why Hayter is asking for geek support. Man, it's so sad that you think that way. Do you think American Idol picks the best singers? Damn... I just want the Uber Watchmen DVD to come out. That's all. Then you fellas can talk forever about your video game movies dreams.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    So the Squid was the problem?

    by dioxholster

    the pple who didnt like it, was it because of the Squid? I thought the movie achieved the best possible attempt at adapting the material. the flaw comes from the material itself. The squid is just too much of a deus ex machina type of thing. unless they set it up from the beginning it wouldve looked absurd. plus i dont understand why sally liked the comedian?

  • March 13, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The Lonely Dachshund

    by antonphd

    And did this country deserve 8 years of George Bush? We voted for him. But did we deserve what we got? No. We didn't. Nobody could know what that idiot would do. Sometimes people don't realize what they are going to lose with the decisions that they make. Imagine film for the last few decades if most of the great films had made what Spiderman or Harry Potter make. They don't, but that doesn't mean that it's the films 'fault'. Most of the greats take years to reach their full audience and they because classics watched repeated over decades. Watchmen is one of those films. It would be nice if Watchmen made big money as well, so we can have more of this type of film with this type of budget.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    The Lonely Dachshund

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    its possible for a movie to be amazing and NOT widely appealing - like 2001, blade runner, brazil, altered states, excalibur, dune(yes, the 1984 lynch version) and countless more - if this movie doesnt make "dark knight" money that is not a sign that it is inferior or a bad movie - the uninitiated that dont like it or get it never will, until they catch up - the fans that dont like it need to realize this is an example of getting as close as possible to adapting a comic to film (imo) - which raises the question that for some people (like moore) some books are unfilmable - if thats why so many fans of the book hate it, i say take it or leave it - ill take it - i can live with the fact that ill never see the perfect star wars prequel or alan moore comic adaption

  • March 13, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Of course we'll see another daring film.

    by MontyPigeon

    By next year no one will care about this film apart from the people who care about this letter. It was a good film but lacked the payoff of a good paced ending.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by dioxholster

    you like giving heads?

  • March 13, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    opinions are like assholes

    by Dijjot

    and that letter has solid snakes bullshit smeared all over it. i liked the movie btw. this just seems kind of desperate.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Remember King Kong 2005?

    by zinc_chameleon

    It cost $300 M to produce and market, and only made $50 M on its first weekend at theatres. A total flop by today's standards! And then, it made $100 M on it's first week as a DVD. It's a different world; I'd rather own the director's cut of 'Watchmen' than see it on a standard megaplex screen.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I Do Remember King Kong 2005!

    by LaserPants

    It was fucking AWFUL.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    why is any woman drawn to violent alpha men?...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    that is just one more detail in the movie that i liked - ms jupiter was as flawed as blake - he was a rapist sociopath but she still found him attractive and wanted him - not very superhero-like but very jerry springer

  • March 13, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Redbox Vacation

    by The Lonely Dachshund

    I agree: “Amazing” and “Mass Appeal” do not go hand in hand. But they do if you’re looking for a huge box office (a la The Dark Knight or LOTR numbers). When it’s an OK movie and only appeals to the fan base, that’s fine in and of itself. No problem here. But then don’t expect huge numbers at the box office. And don’t be surprised when it drops like a stone the second weekend.

  • Ghost Rider, Elektra, Batman and Robin, Batman Forever, The Spirit, The Phantom, Sheena, Barbed Wire, Tank Girl. Those are some shit-assed superhero/comic book movies. Watchmen rises way above these films. Like the film or not I think you all need to put things in perspective instead of living in an alternate universe where fanboys have Dr. Manhattan-like abilities to create their own personal vision of a Watchmen film out of thin air without having to do all the hard work of actually creating a movie. And guess what, if such a world existed there would plenty of douchebags who would hate your version too.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    people

    by Dijjot

    if the american guyver tells you to do something, it best be done. unless youre a lefto pink commie zoanoid.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    King Kong 2005

    by dioxholster

    i remember i vomited in the theatre when watching it. gross. just kidding. that movie was awful though.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    mabye Hayters next script...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    could be that long lost Kubrick film based on that horrible rape joke. He can call it Blade runner II

  • March 13, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Watchmen is pretentious

    by dioxholster

    it makes fun of superheroes in the same way liberals make fun of God.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    LastCleric

    by TedKordLives

    Thank you for stating my case far more eloquently than I could. Antonphd, that's what I've been telling co-workers all day. Sure, we'll see more daring, risky, risque films, but will they be backed by 100+ dollars? Not if Watchmen tanks, or drops like a rock. Still, I have faith in the fanboys (god knows why). We have to make this a hit, for all of our sakes. If not-Ghost Rider II. Think for one fucking second. Whatdonchufuckinunderstand?

  • March 13, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    "Just like Sally"

    by Dominic-Vobiscum

    I thought the point he was making with that part of his letter was a pre-emptive strike against those who claim to have had their childhood raped at the drop of a hat. That they claim to have been violated by a movie, but will secretly go back again if for no other reason than to pick at the wound.<br><br> I really liked the movie despite having some issues with it (the make-up WAS really bad, Malin Akerman likewise), but it amped me up enough that I'm anxiously awaiting the Ultimate DVD release and I fully admit to have shedding a tear or two when Rorshach demands to be murdered.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Man this Awful

    by HermesTrismestigus

    You know the Watchmen movie was mediocre and it boils down to the damn script, I'm tired of every fucking movie having to be hard R rated is everyone retarded its like 90 percent of all movies mad are R rated and they are the least grossing and statistically the shittiest movies, You go to the harry potter talkbacks and you get delusional people saying i hope the next harry potter is a Hard R what the hell? Anyways I digress my homebrew is fucking awesome, the Watchmen movie suffers from a shitty screenplay thats all, zack snyder did a great job with the visuals and the actors were for the most part pretty good, especially that guy that played the comedian, but thre was no point of view to the whole movie it was just a disjointed mess of recreations from the novel and that just doesn't cut it when you pay 12 bucks to go see a movie that will entertain first, and intellectually stimulate you 2nd, instead of boring half the cinema. People snoring and walking out in a packed house is pretty freaking distracting.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    hurm

    by Dijjot

    dioxholster, it doesnt so much make fun of them but expand on the idea of what a superhero is, and what drives them, etc. lol@you believe in an imaginary man in the sky rotflmgdmfbao!11!1!

  • March 13, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    have shedding?

    by Dominic-Vobiscum

    I are excellent english spaker.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    RedSky-why is any woman drawn to violent alpha men?

    by dioxholster

    because they want to be like Rihanna?

  • March 13, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    by Dijjot

    "but thre was no point of view to the whole movie it was just a disjointed mess of recreations from the novel" actually i agree with this quite a bit, and on second viewing the part where they diverted from the comic (i.e. the end) kinda had less stilted dialogue. I thought the "i love you mom" and surprised reacion by the first silk spectre was pretty good, and stuff like that

  • March 13, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoe - Women LOVE Men Who Treat Them Like Shit

    by LaserPants

    I never quite figured out why, but I have learned, through experience, that the worse I treat a woman, the more they love you. I'm not talking about physical violence, but just be an aloof prick who walks all over them (not literally), takes advantage of them, and generally treat them like shit and they will LOVE you forever. No joke. I think its because they hate themselves.<br><br>Nothing is a bigger turn off for a woman than a "nice guy." Women HATE nice guys. They like abusive jerks. Its just the way it is.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoe RedSky

    by The Lonely Dachshund

    I agree there are great films that are not widely appealing. And I love most of the films you cite. And WATCHMEN is not inferior to films like The Dark Knight BECAUSE it made less money. It will make less money because it has niche appeal and isn't as entertaining. If WATCHMEN blew away a majority of the people walking out of the theater last weekend, it would be making money hand over fist. But it didn’t. It’s a good adaptation and has some spectacular visuals. But ultimately, it didn’t connect with a wide audience and even didn’t connect with some of the geek crowd (of which, I’m a proud member). <P> Do you think people will still be talking about and watching WATCHMEN 20 to 30 years from now as we do 2001 and Blade Runner? I think this is highly unlikely.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    dioxholster

    by Redbox Vacation

    It's crazy, I just spoke to God Tuesday. He mentioned you. He said that when he made you, he put a turd in your skull because he was out of brains. He also mentioned that he forgot to tell you that you shouldn't over use the turd or it will overheat. He knew I would be chatting with you and asked me to pass on the message. Plus, nobody likes the smell of overheating turds. Cheers.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Damn You Talkback

    by ulyboy

    Stop deleting my posts. David Hayter is THE GUYVER! Damnit this movie needs to make money so I can have my dark gore filled 200 million dollar budget GUYVER ADAPT! I want it now. I want them to go back to source the manga and create a story dark like the 2nd story arc where the guyver kills Shawn's father! I Want to See GUYVER III on the big screen in all of his glory! NOW DAMNIT NOW

  • March 13, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Watchmen Flop=UNepic WWZ

    by Jacen_Dark

    So much for any chance on a 150 Million Zombie Flick...

  • March 13, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Tell me about it.

    by TedKordLives

    Oracle always went for that jerk Nightwing and the best I could get was some late night cybersex. There's nothing sadder than a costumed crimefighter jerking off on his keyboard.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ, Jacen...

    by Ravetin

    ...that was my exact same worry at the thought of Watchmen tanking.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by dioxholster

    thats what i have been doing to your mom. and she loves my cock more than ever! but seriously u cant be serious. if u treat em like shit, then they should hate you. thats what my parents told me. and it makes sense to me too.

  • March 13, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the problem with watchmen is......

    by ulyboy

    that no one wants to see penis in a movie except for fans of the graphic novel. No normal person cares to see Doc's thing and since we geeks aren't numurous enough rake in cash for WB...you guys are kind of screwed. I like art movies, we here(most of us) like art movies. The audience that makes you 500 million at the box office doesn't and thats why art movies never make 500 million dollars. and don't anyone dare say that titanic was an art film.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Women like Red Penis more

    by dioxholster

    thats what one chick told me. back in high school she said when she sucked she noticed the guy;s penis turned uber red when erected and she thought it was funny as hell, made her such harder.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Ravetin...

    by Jacen_Dark

    After viewing the sheer magnitude of that 'tryout' concept picture... And now realizing that incredible wideshots of every single detail from that battle will be demoted to some shitty POV Cloverfield view... I just might have to drug, drag, and force friends (and myself) back to Watchmen this weekend

  • March 13, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Ulyboy

    by TedKordLives

    Who gives a good GOD DAMN about a penis? No normal person should give a shit about whether or not a penis is visible. It's anatomy. And this particular piece of junk isn't even real! Everybody knows someone that has a penis. I suspect that some of you have one, even if you don't have the balls to go with it. I'm an American, but goddamn if we aren't fucked in the head when it comes to sexuality.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    LaserPants - i was being rhetorical...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i was responding to another poster - sally's attraction to blake makes her human - women with low self esteem or security issues are drawn to dominating men that abuse them physically and verbally - even if theyre super heroes or gods - they get a false sense of shelter from harm from these brutes - ironic - - brilliant - something we never see in a super hero movie

  • March 13, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Dear David Hayter,

    by leela17

    Having read your letter, I can now see why the script of Watchmen went wrong. I get that a dense 12-book comic will have to be cut; I can deal with cuts. I can't deal with rewrites to a work of genius. You changed the ending and you changed the act that made Rorschach Rorschach. You changed him from a compulsively moral vigilante to a sociopath. You changed an apocalyptic, deeply effecting climax into a sad joke. You even changed the story's coda into a bad sit-com. Shame on you. Where the film adheres to the novel, it's brilliant. Where it sucks, it's due to you. Shame.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Goddamn, the more I think about the WWZ flick...

    by Ravetin

    ...the more it seems like it'll be the "next Watchmen" in terms of property adaptations. This site's gonna go fucking nuts over it a year from now.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    IMAX penis

    by Dominic-Vobiscum

    I've actually been pretty confused by all the "OMG SO MUCH PENIS" comments in reviews and such. I saw the movie in IMAX and the only times I even noticed the blue phallis was the scene where there were 3 Manhattans on screen, and the scene where he appears in the cafeteria. That's like maybe 5-10 seconds out of 2 hours and 45 minutes.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Blue penis

    by Jax

    My problem with the blue penis isn't so much that it's there, but I kept looking to see how well the CG penis rendered. And in my opinion, it looked kinda...weird. It didn't quite move right and it didn't look very real. Now I suspect that part of it is that they didn't want it to look too real or else they risk an NC-17. That being said, it was just unnecessary and completely irrelevant to the story they were telling, so it just became a distraction.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    I get it! He's being postmodern!

    by Franco Begbie

    He's like Ozymandias and he's trying to convince the cinemagoing public to go and see his alien squid of a movie, to protect the world against the greater evil of shittier films. <br> <br> Well I'm Rorschach, asswipe. Fuck you. There's no such thing as a WORTHY shit film. There are just shit films.

  • March 13, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    good luck selling americans on an anti american story

    by warrenE33

    i think the key BoxOffice problem with this story is it's attack on America's love of singular heroes. We need a beloved president, we need to win wars, we need "true love". And this story mocks all that. I've seen it 3 times. Mostly because I could not believe what an INCREDIBLE adaptation it was. I think it brilliantly maintains the book's : attack on everything we hold dear in america. So good luck dragging non-geeks to it. And fuck all these geeks who can't see past the movies glorious tongue in cheek action, posing, and music. I think this will do down as a Blade Runner experience- where years later people will say "jesus that flic was dark has hell. Why didn't people flock to see it during that big recession?" You know, when they'd just elected a hero president to give them hope? why didn't they want an epic dark laugh? (except it's not bombing THAT badly right? i thought it was doing alright). Ultimately, this movie is more like the matrix sequels than the dark night. it's more about lofty politics/philosophy than the price true heroes must pay. And it's making people check their watches when they're presented with the backstories for so many brand new characters, while the dark knight didn't stop the movie's steadybuild for backstories on unfamiliar characters. ... I'm proud to say I'm totally buying the shit out of Watchmen tie ins, and love the movie to death. but i'm not suprised it's having trouble.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    SNAKE?!? SNAAAAAAAAKKKKKKEEEEE?!?

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • March 13, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    These talkbacks need thumbs up/down rating

    by warrenE33

    or something to help readers sift through all the bullshit. like if a post gets 5 thumbs down then it is minimized until you click it? I'm stunned by people's obsession with the blue penis. The idea that a god like figure walking around naked, because he's disconnected from humanity's current social graces - is part of the story. It's stunning how many people aren't comfortable with the human body. It's stunning that people are walking out of this complicated movie and can only say "wow, there sure was a lot of cock!". jeeeeeeeesus wept! ... alternately these talkbacks could use a ratings button like "deliver a horrific suffering cancer to this moron."

  • March 13, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Hayter actually did write a Metal Gear script...

    by Ravetin

    ...though it didn't go anywhere. I can't remember if Kojima/Konami shut it down or if the studio he showed it to rejected it.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Where do we go from here?

    by BADBOYBROM HC

    I saw it last Saturday in Portsmouth at 4:00pm on the Odeons biggest screen, it was a third full and I'd say the majority of those in attendence where middle aged and above. For the record I loved it and found myself wanting more, my girlfriend who knew nothing about the comic (But does enjoy super hero movies in general)hated it and was bored well within the hour. She likened it to the Spirit, harsh I thought but still each to their own I guess. I couldn't gauge the crowds reaction but I don't recall anybody walking out midway or slagging it come the credits. I'm seeing it again (Yes this sunday, I really liked it that much) with a group of guys who know next to nothing about it. One of them however has expressed grave concerns about seeing it as he's been told it's absolute shit and that large numbers are walking out demanding refunds. I told him how much I like it and how much I love the Graphic Novel and he says that could be my problem and that love is blind and maybe I'm not viewing it for what it is. He'll make his opinion but I fear that like the general public he'll end up prefering the likes of Incredible Hulk and X3. I guess this is the problem as the Watch Men is cherished by the true devotees and it was never really ever meant to appeal to anyone else but us. This was always gonna be special and a hardsell to the masses. Yes they like standard Superhero stuff, like my girlfriend, but even when Dark Knight was raking in close to a billion how many of them, having never read a comic book in their life, popped in to the local comic shop and put in a standing order afterwards? Next to none I'd wager. It's easy to jump aboard the band wagon when a recognisable character reaches the screen and is played by the flavor of the month but some things no matter how good they are will never be truely appreciated as they should. I guess the line In What About Bob springs to mind, "There are two kinds of people in this world, those that like Neil Diamond and those that don't". I guess now we have to except that what Zack has given us is really as good as it gets (bar the directors DVD cut) as I can't see this ever being remade. The numbers just aren't there to make it worthwhile. The film by and large is the Graphic and apart from giving us the Squid what more could be done in another adaptation? It's all really there in Zacks fine but flawed attempt. Nobody indifferent to the current movie would care to see another shot of it, face facts it over. Funny thing with the ending change is, (and I have no problem with the new ending at all) is why alienate the true fans to please the unknowing? Given that the majority will never have read the Graphic how would they know if things have changed or not, what's really in it for them to have a different ending, at the end of the day they walk out of the cinema and head home for burger and chips, to them it's just another movie. Still fanboys argue amongst themselves with some saying they love the film but the true ending should have stayed and then there are those who say it was too faithful and in turn became boring as they knew what was to come. All I know is that after many many years of nothing I now have something to watch and admire and failing that I still have the Graphic and the animated movie. I guess that will just have to be enough.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    dioxholster

    by LaserPants

    I'm completely serious. Of course, they SHOULD hate you, but they won't. I'm telling you; the worse you treat a woman, the more they love you. Women DO NOT LIKE NICE GUYS. They like assholes who treat them like shit. You'll learn.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    flat

    by goldenage

    Saw it in IMAX tonight for the first time - it fell flat. I'm curious to see if the extended cut fares any better.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    loved it

    by mfcorleone

    thanks so fuck for this labor of love. it was clear a lot was put into retaining the iriginal feel. as a valiant Watchmen fan all i can say is thank you, thank you, thank you, and fuck all the haters. topfivevideo clearly lives in his grandma's basement and prefers paul blart style films. can't please em all!

  • March 13, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    ahaha STABBY

    by mfcorleone

    just read stabby's post, he owned these boards. commence seppuku lemmings.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    I'm just waiting for the spin-off medical series - MANHATTAN, M.

    by brokentusk

    Nurse: "Doctor, the patient is dead!" <p> Dr. M: "A live body and a dead body contain the same number of particles. Structurally, there’s no discernible difference. Life and death are unquantifiable abstracts." <p> Nurse: "Er, so what do I tell the family?"

  • March 13, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    That should read "MANHATTAN, M.D."

    by brokentusk

    Fucking AICN.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    brokentusk

    by Redbox Vacation

    Dude, that should be a cartoon. If I draw it, I'll credit you as the author. Cheers -Redbox - aka Stuff Daddy!

  • March 13, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Hayter Knows Watchmen...

    by Atkinson

    For years I've sat back and read the comments by fanboys who feel that they have a degree of ownership over any source material: be it comic book, graphic novel, video game, original series or movie. And soon as someone gives an honest, sincere, unsuperficial crack at producing a story based on that material, all I've seen as a result of that work is unabashed hatered. You stand around the comic book store; hashing out commentaries to the cashier who would love nothing more than to tell you to either shut your trap, get a life, or to just put it on your facebook blog. I actually think David is a good screenwriter, and he did a great work with Watchmen. If you guys have bitched about Peter Jackson, and Speilberg, then there's no satisfying you. You will hate anything, you will mock everything, you will extend patience and understanding to few or no one. I wish upon you unconstructive critics nothing more than an uninterrupted continuation of your unsolicited virginity.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Atkinson

    by mfcorleone

    these boards are filled with ungrateful cunts who would rather support paul blart, confessions of a shopohilic, or bratz. we finally get something worth watching and they complain about it endlessly...let them all rot with the trash they adore, noone is really paying any attention to it.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Oh, and one more thing...

    by Atkinson

    What's blue, radioactive and very shiny on your chin? Deez Nutz, Beeeatch!

  • March 13, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Mfcorleone

    by Atkinson

    Good point, wise one. If cunts could fly, then this would be a cunt-port.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Nipples on batsuit...Indiana nuked in fridge...Big Blue Dong

    by TheRealMikeJames

    I am not a Watchmen fan, just a movie fan. I will re-watch on Blu-ray...hopefully they will have a feature where you can watch the Manhattan scenes without the big blue dong...God that was distracting and now my wife thinks I have a small one. Fucking Snyder...he is one Gay dude.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    TopHat

    by mfcorleone

    I love art films, but as soon as Freddy Freckles has a budget to recreate one of the best graphic novels ever, I will go see it. Get off the fucking cross already would ya. Jesus Arthouse Christ over here.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by menstrual_blitz

    You are kidding, right? Does your brain work in such a selective and simplistic manner that you actually believe that all women are alike and respond to life in completely predictable ways? Does the vagina really grant such a spellbinding level of homogeneity? <p> Sure, some women are attracted to alpha male types. Some women have no interest in that. Some women like an aggressive guy for a good one night stand and nothing else. Some women are attracted to abusive assholes. And in that last case, that often stems from fucked up past events that have shifted their view of what constitutes good or bad treatment, so that even being treated like shit isn't so bad compared to what they've already been through. Or they rationalize the past abuse by "choosing" to repeat it. Or etc. etc. etc.--the list goes on and on, because women are not a bunch of walking vag-bots, always responding in kind. Seriously though, you really looking to exploit/exacerbate other people's trauma? <p> You're also assuming that just because a woman stays with a guy who's a dick, it's because she wholeheartedly enjoys it. Does she? Or does she simply not feel safe enough to outright fight back, instead seething with resentment until the day that she works up the balls to smother or castrate the guy in his sleep, or slip poison into his coffee? <p> Have fun finding out which it is, dude...

  • March 13, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    TopHat - Watchmen DOES have something original to say

    by TallBoy66

    Boil it down - it's a meditation on power and how it causes a disconnect from basic humanity, and it twists the concept of superheores on it's head to show that it wouldn't work out in the real world because they would fall to human frailty. Show me a mainstream blockbuster that says that. Show me a superhero movie that says that (For all of the complexity of Dark Knight, it's central hero is still a good guy at it's core) Hell, show me your ill-defined definition of an "art film" that says that. This is something people should remember: mainstream and big budget FX does not immediately mean that it's without artistic of philosophical merit. The good ones are allegories about people. It all boils down to if it's a good film, and Watchmen is.

  • March 13, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    TopHat

    by mfcorleone

    Do you really expect to see sex scenes that aren't campy in a story about superheroes? Did you want it to arouse you like it was Jenna Loves Brianna? Was it supposed to be emotionally moving, like when your Grandpa bounced you on his knee? Are you completely retarted and fresh from licking windows?

  • March 13, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Of Course Not ALL Women, Menstrual Blitz

    by LaserPants

    Don't be silly. And don't be so friggin' self righteous either. But as a general rule? As a broad critique of behavioral tendencies of women? They LOVE being treated like shit. I know the more of a prick I am, the more the girl (or girls) I may be with like me. Like obsessively so. I'm not even joking. Maybe I gravitate to a certain kind of female. But MOST of my friends report the same phenomenon AS A GENERAL RULE, not every single person, obviously. <br><br> Let me guess, you've just taken your first feminist lit class? Thats so cute!

  • March 13, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by Dapper Swindler

    SHH! Stop blurting out the secret

  • March 13, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Mmmmm... bite me.

    by Iowa Snot Client

    Sorry, Mr. Hayter, but you lost me at "Hundreds of people put in years of their lives to make this movie happen, and every one of them was insanely committed to retaining the integrity of this amazing, epic tale." You could say that about any movie, really ... someone somewhere convinced hundreds to dedicate themselves to making, say, Mall Cop or Pro Life. Sorry, but the "do it as a fanboy for the fanboys" appeal is just weak. "See it again, even if it sucked!"

  • March 13, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    I might see it again

    by Mattyboy122

    But not because of Hayter (though I love me some MGS), rather because I'd like to see it on IMAX. That said, I donno if Hayter should be guilt-tripping us when Gilliam's latest film still hasn't even been picked up by a distributor. What the fuck kind of world do we live in?

  • March 13, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I'll stop being self-righteous

    by menstrual_blitz

    when you stop being so smug and condescending. <p> sorry. pernicious myths and broad generalizations regarding approx. half of the world's population tend to piss me off. <p> and you can fuck yourself with your patronizing "feminist lit" comment. Heaven forbid someone should disagree with you.

  • March 13, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    iowa snot client

    by mfcorleone

    Mall Cop and Pro Life were not graphic novels that won the Hugo award with a huge fanbase. People don't claim to pour all that time into films Bad Santa or Role Models. Please think before you type.

  • March 13, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    TallBoy, would you be saying that if

    by necgray

    you hadn't already read the source material? See, this is a big part of the problem. Snyder stayed so true to the source material in the least effective ways that he ended up making a pretty decent movie, not a great movie. Fanboys who love the book might like the movie, but complete strangers to the material may not get all that nuance that you think the movie packs in. <p> Incidentally, you're not doing yourself any favors with your "show me a mainstream blockbuster" bullshit since Watchmen is NEITHER mainstream NOR a blockbuster as of yet. <p> But if you want to talk mainstream blockbusters that discuss power causing disconnect and human frailty affecting the definition of a superhero, look no further than Spiderman 1&2. The first movie is about Peter learning to take responsibility for his powers, which he initially abuses The second is about Peter's rejection of his power because of the very distancing of which you speak. Now just because it's not a "dark" movie, does that mean it's less effective at forwarding those themes? <p> Watchmen addresses these themes, too, I'm not saying it didn't. BUT it also is nowhere near as clean a narrative as it should be, and that's largely because Snyder stuck to the structure of the comic. Which is one of several reasons Moore has given for his opinion that it's "unfilmable".

  • March 13, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    just saw the movie

    by ninja_dynamite

    it was a good movie, however it would have been a lot better with the squid. <p>any argument that the squid would have been absurd when talking about a sci fi comic book movie is just stupid. everything about comic books is absurd!<p> leaving out the squid was a half-assed attempt to help the movie connect with the larger movie going audience which i seriously doubt it did. when i first read the Watchmen i was left very confused by what was going on and i love comics. i can just imagine what the average movie goer (who loves their easy to digest storylines) is thinking while watching this movie. Four people walked out on the theater i was at. 2 before the first hour of the movie. Maybe they just went to the restroom, but it was a small crowd and i didn't see them come back. <p> this movie had very little chance of immediately appealing the mainstream movie goer with or without the squid. Hopefully its an acquired taste and over time people will learn to appreciate it more.<p>getting back to the squid. while i loved the movie, leaving in the squid would have made the movie so much better. having veidt frame manhattan was just too formulaic; essentially this movie is a murder mystery and in almost every murder mystery the bad guy tries to frame someone innocent. that's what made the squid scene in the comics so great (and when i first read the watchmen i thought the whole squid thing was stupid).<p>the squid is completely out of the blue(no pun intended), in terms of veidts crazy masterplan it makes perfect sense and it fits in perfectly not only with the sci-fi comic book genre but with the DC/JLA universe. i know these arguments have been repeated ad nauseum on this site, but after watching the watchman i couldn't resist repeating them. <p>i disagree, however, that the ending Snyder went with doesn't make sense because the Soviets would never believe America's Superman would go rogue and betray his homeland. The fact that veidt destroys NYC would be enough to convince for the most part. NYC is the heart of America in so many ways (Wall St. and Madison Ave). The Soviets would never believe the U.S. would cripple itself to such a degree, just in order to launch a nuclear attack that they could not be held responsible for. Its like stabbing someone in the back and then stabbing yourself in the heart in order to convince them you didn't do it so they won't retaliate.<p> the squid should have to left in to keep the fanboys happy. their enthusiasm for the GN would have driven the initial box office surge for this movie and maybe that enthusiasm would carried over to the general public. Even as i was buying my ticket the kid working the theater was complaining about no squid. I think not having the squid really hurt the word of mouth enthusiasm for the movie. the studios suits probably thought they could generate artificial enthusiasm with their marketing blietzkrieg, but unfortunately i don't think it'll work. I don't want this movie to fail, b/c its performance will determine whether or not Hollywood makes more comic book movies with R-ratings.

  • March 13, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    ninja_dynamyte

    by brobdingnag

    "Soviets would never believe America's Superman would go rogue and betray his homeland" To quote Steve Martin in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels..."What? You ACTUALLY believe that?" 1/3 of Americans think Bush was behind 9/11 Numbnuts, and he was only president for about a year when it happened. Dr Manhattan was basically a US weapon of war for the US for 20 years in Watchmen. Also, NY is not the Heart of anything any more than anyplace else in the US. It's a city, like any other. Destroy it and the US goes on just fine. Try again.

  • March 13, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    RAVETIN, IF KOJIMA SAN HAD ANY SENSE...

    by J-Dizzle

    then he would keep Hayter away from any Metal Gear movie. The guy was good for one thing and one thing only: voicing Snake. Even then his VA work for Snake took a dramatic dive in MGS3 and MGS4. The only people I trust with that beloved story are the Coen Brothers and the Nolans.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    mfcorleone

    by Iowa Snot Client

    Please read my posts before replying to them. I'm well aware that Watchmen (the graphic novel) won a Hugo award. But how does that obligate anyone to see the MOVIE made from that graphic novel a second weekend in a row, particularly if they didn't like it? Well, apparently you have to see it again because everyone working on it just cared so damned much. And if it makes enough money, the studio just might greenlight another film based on an award winning property that the same caring people can fuck up.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Why did she refuse a group sex?

    by dioxholster

    another thing i dont get, is when he multiplied. i know many women will go for that, especially if they are the same person if its possible because otherwise it will be shameful.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Squid + Jenny Garner as Silk = Classic

    by jonsnow

    If the movie had a Cthulian ending that buged you to no end I would go yesterday. I also think Jennifer Garner looks more the part of silk and can act like it's nobody's business and should have been cast for the part. This letter is just a beggers plea.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Good job, David

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    I'll be seeing it in the theatre again. Ballsy filmaking needs support :)

  • March 13, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    WATCHMEN pwns teh suk.

    by the_Man_of_Stool

    You know it. It doesn`t hold up to the source material, the slow-mo and the gore are as unnecessary as can be, and the "street characters" (lesbians, newsstandman and that comic book-reading coloured fella)were essential to the graphic novel. So was the symbolism, like the sprayed couple evoking Hiroshima. WATCHMEN was a fucking let-down, and it was NOT unfilmable. That material deserves a better, deeper film, and it WOULD be possible at three hours. Snyder is just a popcorn movie director who went for the pretentious "let`s do something intellectual"-shtick. It should have been treated as a literature adaptation, and I`m sure that Paul Greengrass would have done just that. Plus, I`m back, after Harry banned me about a year ago for hating on Eli Roth. Brrrrr, HOSTEL...

  • March 13, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    brobdingnag

    by ninja_dynamite

    i'm arguing that the destruction of NYC would convince the Soviets that Manhattan betrayed the U.S. <p>blowing up the world trade center is not the the same as destroying the entire city. <p>if you read what i wrote i said "in many ways" NYC is the heart of the U.S. i didn't say it was the heart of the U.S. which is why i mentioned Wall St. and Madison Ave. I think any sane person would agree that without NYC the U.S. would be severely crippled and things would not "go along just fine". Sure the country would keep going, but without NYC the nation would be seriously hurt.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Nite Owl = Batman?

    by dioxholster

    all he did was cry and fuck. thats all he did!

  • March 13, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Is this movie for Liberals or conservatives??

    by dioxholster

    coz i dont know. i know nothing of this shit. its weird.

  • March 13, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Better Ending: discovering a Stargate

    by dioxholster

    that way they would now about alien Gods wanting to enslave them. and SG-1 will be the new superheros! who arent pathetic!

  • March 13, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Ew, benny was intimating next to me!

    by Bjornegar

    Does anybody know if soda water gets that stain out?

  • March 13, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    JonSnow I totally agree with you on both points....

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    Squid would've made this film unique and Jennifer Garner would've been a wayyy better Silk Spectre as would have Adam West as the original Nite Owl.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    I hate the "fans"

    by poddie

    I really can't adequetly explain the amount of hatred I feel for the Watchmen "fanbase". I have not read the GN. What I do know is that this was a FANTASTIC movie. All you pussy nerds with your festering hate nodules can't get over a fucking missing squid. You're handed something 95% faithful and it's still not good enough. Well FUCK YOU. Just FUCK YOU. You try to make up for your complete lack of balls in real life by being a tough guy, over-analyzing prick on the internet. A man makes an impassioned plea for the movie's supporters to go and you have to pull your virtual dick out and try to smack him down. You are the most asinine people and I hate every fucking one of you. You'll really hate the next Fantastic Four movie that comes out and you'll never see the connection with your silly and immature reactions to this film. Again, just FUCK YOU ALL. I wish I could come up with something eloquent to explain my feelings but I know that none of you give a rats ass or listen because you're so intent on finding the next minor detail to rant on.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    poddie

    by the_Man_of_Stool

    Movie was very mediocre. End of story. The reviews are mixed, both within and without geekdom. This should have been something people remember in 20 years, a la BLADE RUNNER. But it`s not. Despite the brilliant sequence at the begiining of the film, this is more along the lines of Snyder`s previous outing 300. Just a forgettable pop flick with some gore and slo.mo, nothing else, When it could have been so much more...

  • March 13, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    the_Man_of_Stool

    by Dominic-Vobiscum

    Blade Runner was a disaster at the box office when it was released. Roger Ebert thought the story was "cliched and thin" and didn't go on record as having changed his mind until 2007.<br><br> In other words, it's hard to say how something's going to remembered 20 years from now.<br><br> I remembered thinking that Burton's Batman was THE SHIT when it first came out, now I just think they're goofy and completely misses the point of the character.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Dom

    by the_Man_of_Stool

    Point taken. I just don`t see WATCHMEN being remembered as great cinema. To me, it was a disappointment...

  • March 13, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME

    by timmer33

    What is the purpose of Rorshach's mask? Where'd he get it? What's the purpose? Does it mirror his emotions? Did he have superpowers? You can tell from my questions that the film failed miserably to bring in non-readers. For example, at what point was it stated that reactors were being placed in every major city? How is it the others seemed to have superpowers? There were huge, glaring flaws and terrible miscasting (Veidt being the biggest, Night Owl being the next, and Jupiter being the next). I will not see it again, or rent it, or buy it, which is sad. I think making this film was a no-win scenario. Please the fans and they alienate the mainstream. Please the mainstream, and the fans are furious. I think they may have tried the middle road, and ruined it for both. It's WAAYYY too long, and ended up slow and boring. Snyder took a step down from 300 with this, and the BO shows it. I'm sorry to say these things, but it's true. I so wanted to enjoy this film. I thought the intro and credits were simply spectacular, and the use of music in particular was great. A truly original film ... just one that fell flat.

  • March 13, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME

    by timmer33

    What is the purpose of Rorshach's mask? Where'd he get it? What's the purpose? Does it mirror his emotions? Did he have superpowers? You can tell from my questions that the film failed miserably to bring in non-readers. For example, at what point was it stated that reactors were being placed in every major city? How is it the others seemed to have superpowers? There were huge, glaring flaws and terrible miscasting (Veidt being the biggest, Night Owl being the next, and Jupiter being the next). I will not see it again, or rent it, or buy it, which is sad. I think making this film was a no-win scenario. Please the fans and they alienate the mainstream. Please the mainstream, and the fans are furious. I think they may have tried the middle road, and ruined it for both. It's WAAYYY too long, and ended up slow and boring. Snyder took a step down from 300 with this, and the BO shows it. I'm sorry to say these things, but it's true. I so wanted to enjoy this film. I thought the intro and credits were simply spectacular, and the use of music in particular was great. A truly original film ... just one that fell flat.

  • March 13, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST

    warrenE33 - you nailed it

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    all the reasons you stated as to why people might be turned away are the very reasons i loved it - in time it will get the respect it deserves, like blade runner and john carpenter's the thing finally did years after their theatrical debuts

  • March 13, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    timmer33

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    the mask isnt explained in the comic either - but i read it years ago and realy dont remember - personally, i dont need the mask explained - or ozymandias's super strength and speed explained - the movie kicked all kinds of ass imo

  • March 13, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Timmer33 - Rorshach's Mask

    by robotdevil

    The mask is explained in the comic book. Here's the wiki summary: After leaving school, Kovacs took a job as an unskilled tailor. The prospect of handling women's clothing caused him discomfort, and he later commented that the job was "bearable but unpleasant". A few weeks before her murder in front of an apartment, Kitty Genovese ordered a dress from him, made of a fabric created by Doctor Manhattan that used two pressure and heat-sensitive liquids suspended between a layer of latex to create black-on-white shifting color patterns, "always changing, never mixing into grey". When the dress was completed, Genovese was unsatisfied with the design, and she refused to pay for it. Kovacs took it home for himself, fascinated with the fabric. Upon reading of Kitty's murder in the newspaper, he became disgusted with the amount of crime in New York City and, creating a mask from her dress, became the vigilante Rorschach.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoe RedSky

    by timmer33

    So you're saying "Don't think about it? Don't wish for it to make sense?"

  • March 13, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Phaedrus

    by timmer33

    Thanks for taking the time to write back. Can you see how the film can be frustrating for people who haven't read the comic? And it's obvious that if only people that have read it go see it, it will most likely lose money. It has to attract a mainstream audience in order to recoup its money. It'll plunge at least 50% this weekend, perhaps as much as 60%.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Timmer

    by robotdevil

    No problem. I wouldnt be surprised to see that kind of material turn up on the dvd. I can see how Watchmen wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea and have mixed emotions about it myself (see way way above). But honestly, even the part of me that liked the film wouldn't care if it bombed.... that would ASSURE no one tries to make a sequel. So it's all good.

  • March 13, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    The Book was better

    by Sirmausalot

    Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

  • March 13, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    timmer33

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    no -i am saying "think about what youre seeing" - but think about wa=hats important, what the story is about and trying to say - its not about the mask or where it came from and why it looks as it does - i honestly didnt remember that mask origin story (thanks phaedrus007) - and not knowing anything about it while watching the movie didnt keep me from enjoying the hell out of it - i took it all on faith - faith that it all had an explanation - but explaining it all might slow shit down - like ozymandias's cat - he genetically engineered it - i do remember that from the book - it wasnt explained in the movie - and it didnt need to be for the movie to work - it wasnt about the cat - a story can make sense without all the minutia being explained - like the first star wars movie in 1977 - the viewer walks in on the action right in the middle - nothing was explained - you just flow with it and pay attention to whats important - it wasnt about how landspeeders defy gravity

  • March 13, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    man my typos are getting worse

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • March 13, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Thanks Jimmy

    by timmer33

    For getting back to me. But regarding the cat, yes it was distracting. As soon as you see it (someone who hasn't read the comic) you say to yourself, WTF???? It pulled me out of the story. It's VERY different from the Star Wars analogy you've given here ... that cat was not there for ANY purpose whatsoever except to satisfy the comic fans. It ended up detracting from the movie, along with countless other things. Anway, thanks for the chat. Timmer33

  • March 13, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    ninja_dynamite

    by brobdingnag

    The problem is that the 9/11 example proves you wrong. We have direct example of a massive attack on NY and the reaction to it. So saying something WOULD happen when we can see first hand that exactly the opposite happens is a little goofy. And for the record, The US would be fine without NY. Our current ridiculous welfare state spending is far more destructive to the economy than the destruction of the entire state of NY would be and the city of NY has very little value as a military target.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    TOO AUTHENTIC!!! WINO!!!

    by Ye Not Guilty

    WATCHMEN IN NAME ONLY!!!! WHY COULDN'T THEY ALL HAVE BEEN WEARING BLACK LEATHER, LIKE IN G.I. JOE??? G.I. JOE = WIN!!! WATCHMEN = EPIC FAIL!!!

  • March 13, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Not the obnoxious "open letter" we need...

    by JuntMonkey

    but the one we deserve.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    timmer re: only readers of the source

    by necgray

    I don't think that's an issue. I think it's been pushed enough to get mainstream attention and interest. KEEPING the interest enough to see the movie more than once is the problem. And that's where the film really fails. Snyder made a film that is both trying too hard to appeal to fans of the source while also alienating many of those very fans. <p> To be a dick about TDK for a moment, since that film is getting brought up once in a while, the advantage Nolan has over Snyder is that Nolan is able to mask the script inadequacies with pseudo-intellectual bullshit posturing and deft technical filmmaking. Whereas Snyder isn't quite that talented.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    OK, You Got Me!

    by emvan

    I've been desperate to see this a second time (and that was before I got a new and vastly better contact lens prescription!) but was going to wait until April since I'm leaving for Florida for two weeks on Monday (and, no, my 86-year old Mom, who sees almost everything and has great taste in movies, does not have this one high on her list). Insanely busy preparations must now cede to a second IMAX viewing late Sunday. I just won't sleep that night.<br><br> I'm very curious as to whether this notches way up on a quick repeat viewing (like The Fall did, or The Prestige did on its 3rd viewing), or whether it suffers the way Minority Report did. Right now I'm on the fence between ***1/2 and **** (leaning towards the latter) but I have the feeling it will cement itself on one or the other.<br><br> What's so fascinating about the response to this film is that I often share the criticisms of the underwhelmed, it's just that they are not adding up the good and the bad the way my brain is. I didn't have strong disagreement, e.g., with Peter Travers' review in Rolling Stone, but he gave **1/2 while writing a review that sounded like that of a ***1/2 rave. When your brain turns minor quibbles into major flaws, that's just bias, I think.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Thank God - It's All Over ...

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    ... but for the shouting. And the shouting? Well, it's just the throngs of obsessive fanboys who've just been proved irrelevant. "FINALLY, comics are MAINSTREAM!" "WE'LL BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!" "COMICS ARE NOW LITERATURE!" "IT'S NOT A COMIC - IT'S A -GRAPHIC NOVEL-!" At the end of the day, though, wiser heads worldwide have prevailed and proved once again that comics fans are NOT the mainstream, haven't been and never will be, and that the sooner the comics geeks get back to their BIFF! BAM! POW! the better off the rest of the world will be. Nobody cares - WATCHMEN has been met with a massive, collective worldwide thud and the sound is society's jaw hitting the floor not from amazement nor eyeball-****ing, but from a great big yawn. Anyone who has ever put in a penny to make this movie was taing a gamble that people would take guys in rubber fetishwear as a form of serious entertainment. DARK KNIGHT? People went to that because it was "Batman" which is a known entertainment commodity, and because of morbid fascination with a dead actor who was that gay dude in that one ***fu***ing cowboy movie. That's what people are - that's what people were - and that's what people will forever be, and the sooner the world can get used to that and accept it, the sooner the rest of the world can get back to movies with names like THE REDEADENING and SHENANIGOATS. When I try to decide if a movie will do well or not, I think "What would Homer Simpson say sbout this?" You can usually use this model to predict the outcome - success or failure for the project. Sadly, Homer outdoes the throngs who are so busy smelling their own hands they've just put down the front of their pants to scratch their balls that the idea of a movie that gives them a single sliver-thin idea in their heads is ignored. Remember - when a medicine promotes an ad campaign called STOP. THINK. TYLENOL ? They're already asking people to do two things that are impossible for 90 percent of America to do.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Brobdingnag what?

    by imagin78

    NYC has the majority of this nation's wealth and cripling it would be disastrous. A nuclear strike on it and 9/11 are not the same. There is a specific reason so many attacks have been attempted on it.

  • March 13, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    @phaedrus007

    by Dominic-Vobiscum

    The "always changing, never mixing into grey" is also a very important symbolic representation of Rorshach's worldview. Things are either black or white, there is no grey for him at all, and this is the very thing that seals his fate.

  • March 14, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Laughable

    by OldGoy

    So Hayter is trying to make us believe we MUST support this film and make it wildly profitable or Hollywood will never make another challenging comic book movie again ... newsflash to Hayter: Dark Knight has now made over $533M. It's gonna take a WHOLE lot of dud comic book movies for them to forget that figure. So don't worry, David -- your game changing, misunderstood movie (to summarize your whining) can do mediocre box office and it won't affect the industry! Honest!

  • March 14, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    ThusSpakeSpymunk

    by Jax

    I have to say that I agree with about 70% of what you said. I am wondering if "Watchmen" might signal the beginning of the end of the "fanboy effect" on Hollywood movies. In other words, will the vocal minority no longer sway the films that get greenlit. Only time will tell.

  • March 14, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    In all fairness though...

    by veebeeyes

    The origin of Rorschach's mask should have been incorporated to some degree. I think it's important. That spoke about his character.

  • March 14, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    yeah...

    by SunTzu77

    His letter does smell of desperation.

  • March 14, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Movies should never be made by fans

    by chien_sale

    it never works.

  • March 14, 2009, 2:19 a.m. CST

    From what the reviews say,

    by krylite

    it may be good, but not stellar in line with LOTR and The Dark Knight which by themselves are more than well enough to encourage studios to make future attempts at multi-layered fantasy/comic book movies for at least the next decade. Even Iron Man sounds better reviewed. Sorry, but Synder's not up there with Jackson who uses slo-mo at dramatic points, but ten times less. Sure, directors like actors can improve. But there are very few films that compel me to see more than once in a theater. "Gritty" movies have been around and will continue to be no matter the sucess of Watchmen. ex: "A Clockwork Orange", "Deliverance", "Blade Runner", "Jaws" etc.

  • March 14, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST

    YO DAVE!!

    by Superzerotwo

    1st...thank you so much. 2nd tonight saw it for 2nd time with my buddy Bill. He watched it with myself and my wife the 1st time...this time he and I brought two Watchmen Newbies along with us. It's better the 2nd time around. Thanks again.

  • March 14, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    just want to add

    by krylite

    Synder directs actors very well. And/or he knows how to get good performances from good actors. A real pro compared to Lucas for sure. I will be seeing Watchmen. I couldn't do it last weekend. The "squid" was also in LOTR:FOTR. And it worked great!

  • March 14, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    71% drop.

    by alice 13

    ok put the bud down and climb back off the ledge dave... you dont wanna do it man...

  • March 14, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    necgray - the Spider-Man movies do show a "human" face to superh

    by TallBoy66

    But Peter Parker is a good person. All of his actions in the end are due to the fact that he's always going to "do the right thing" I love Spider-Man 2. I think it's the possibly the best live-action superhero movie ever made, and it relates on a more "human level" than Watchmen does (Parker is the everyman who has to struggle every day AND be a superhero, etc. etc.) But it doesn't have the philosophical complexity that Watchmen does. Basically, Watchmen is about people who have crazy powers who make bad decisions. (Yes, I know the only character in the movie who has real "superpowers" is Dr. Mahnattan, but it's an overall theme.) Peter Parker is a regular guy who tries to do the right thing and, in the end, it works out because he's on the Side of Good. The Watchmen aren't. That's why it's a good movie, simply because you don't see that much complexity in superhero flicks. Is Spider-Man 2 a better movie than Watchmen? Yes, I agree. It's just better overall. But that doesn't mean that Watchmen is a P.O.S. that should be completely written off, which is what I was originally talking to "TopHat" about in the first place. Spider-Man 2 is a better film about the "regular guy" superhero, but he's inherently a good guy in the end. Watchmen isn't. That's why it's worth a look. (are all of my insights into Watchmen based upon reading the comic many times before watching the film? Probably. But those themes are still in there. It's inherent to the text. It's just buried beneath all of the Zack Snyder "KWEL!" slow-mo fetish shots. A good story is a good story, no matter what medium it's in. And the film version of Watchmen is so faithful to the text that those themes are still in there) Basically, what I was saying is that it's silly and narrow-minded to write this film completely off.

  • March 14, 2009, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Seriously, though, what other "faithful" adaptations do we need?

    by TallBoy66

    We saw a 90% faithful version of Watchmen in the theater. If it fucks up the chance of more by-the-book adaptations, what other ones are there? The Dark Knight Returns? That's pretty much it. We got a very good movie out of the deal, who cares how much money it makes?

  • March 14, 2009, 3:34 a.m. CST

    However, in the end-

    by TallBoy66

    David Hayter's performance as Solid Snake in all of the games is pretty fucking good, that's why I think he deserves at least a listening too if he has something to say. C'mon, Solid Snake is the man!

  • March 14, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST

    No Squid might not equal Galactus is a cloud.

    by kirttrik

  • March 14, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST

    No Squid might not equal Galactus is a cloud.

    by kirttrik

    I've seen WATCHMEN and as a supporter of the NO SQUID=GALACTUS IS A CLOUD call to arms, I found the film to be not as bad as I had expected. In fact it was quite good at moments. The fact that the squid should have remained in the film is now an obvious and mute point. The sequence depicted in the comic, the faux alien attack attack at the end, is critical and needed in the any adaptation of this material. That said many of the other critical moments were included, and others where actually overdone in a sad attempt at making it seem more ADULT than truly needed. A prime example of this was the alley fight Dan and Laurie have with the punk rockers, the extra violence was fine UNTIL Laurie KILLS one of the teenage gang members by stabbing him in the throat. OOPS, so, let see...how is she any better or less psychotic than Rorschach. Is it because she looks better. Extra violence doesn't make a film more real, especially when they take a KID's life and don't even think about it or mention it again. She's more concerned with achieving a rebound fuck with Mr. Nice after getting plowed by an immortal God for 5-8 years. The scene was only 30 seconds, if taken out, you'd have a better movie. Next up, the choreographed Karate fights belong in WOLVERINE, not WATCHMEN. To have such slick fighting sequences takes away from the reality of the story portrayed. It should have been toned down, basically it just felt odd. I always felt WATCHMEN was a counter argument against the superhero, showing how living out our diluted fantasies played out on pulp would add up to a nightmare in the real world. The film almost captured that feeling, but then switched course. It was like they wanted to show a gritty real world scenario but then realized people who liked X-MEN UNITED are a part of their target audience so they better throw in some Jackie Chan scenes. It's just a bit overdone and it was unnecessary. Part of this might be do to the many nerd complaints about the fight scenes in BATMAN BEGINS and the fact their visually imperceptible. Then again the choreography of the WATCHMEN fight scenes are very similar to 300's so maybe it's just a Snyder trademark. I don't know, I can just say for myself that they were distracting. Finally, dealing with the ending, it wasn't as bad as I had imagined and it almost worked. The problems are in the delivery and the explanations, why would this cause the Comedian to lose it as opposed to stopping it, what did he discover, why would the world rally around the USA when the spiritual symbol of the United States just nuked them. These are all issues that they should have addressed during script development. Personally, I almost feel bad saying this, but it was an act of cowardice that led Snyder to change the ending, I bet he felt the studio wouldn't allow the correct ending, audiences wouldn't buy it, and the MPAA would stamp an NC-17 rating (if those still exist) blocking the film and the scenes do to the gore. I'm a bit torn with WATCHMEN because, my God, it's almost their, it's almost perfect, but the few mistakes it makes are crucial mistakes, it doesn't make the film bad it just doesn't make it great, which it could have been. Also, as a movie fan and as a comic fan, I want to see the opening sequence of the twelfth issue so FUCKING bad, I really want to see that, and now I'm not. This movie's not going to be remade with this level of production probably ever. I'll be honest, it angers me. That said, this film I think will have rewatch value, and will be a classic for novelties sake alone. Now here is my personal problem with the film, he turned a film which should have been a horror story into a fascist statement. Zack Snyder's WATCHMEN did not focus on the ambiguities that make the comic so rich. At the end of the film it's almost saying that Veidt was right in Killing 15 million people, that Rorschach was right in that it was the liberal masses that weakened the United States in the alternate 1985 world, the ends do justify the means and the strong need to shepard the weak. Of course, luckily, there still is that closing shot on the journal so I might be a little off here. I definitely did not get that feel from reading the comic and I'm almost 100% certain that Alan Moore wasn't trying to make that kind of statement. I'll say it again, WATCHMEN is a horror story wrapped in spandex. I wish the movie focused on that element more. The Armageddon sequence at the end barely showed one dead body. It was as emotionally charge as watching a phaser blast on STAR TREK TOG, their there one minute gone the next, there's no emotional connection. That destruction sequence should have been visceral, powerful and extended but it wasn't. Maybe some of these complaints will be address in the director's cut and the uber-director's cut, I don't know, I'll have to wait and see. This is the longest talkback I have ever written and probably ever will, I guess that alone says something about the movie.

  • March 14, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    This Movie Was Good.

    by Crow3711

    That's all I have to say. I never read the book, I don't know tons about the material (but I did some homework so I'd have some context), but I really liked this movie. The source materials depth shines through Its intelligent and gray and beautiful. Existential Soliloquys on The Surface of Mars have no become one of my forms of expression. This movie was an important accomplishment for cinema as a whole. I almost can't believe this movie actually exists, and is being played in real theaters. We should all just feel lucky it got made. I'm just saying...it was good. Deal.

  • March 14, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    To Solid Snake:

    by Stalkeye

    For what it's worth, I liked the Watchmen but the movie could have done without the silly Halleuah song. I mean WTF Dave?!? Too bad you didn't get to fix the horrid X3 script before filming began.And BTW the ending of MGS4 was disapointing, however a superior game than say..Resident evil 5.

  • March 14, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night

    by jdb1972

    The good news: It is possible to make a film version of Watchmen. The bad news: Snyder isn't the guy to do it. You need a director/script that knows the meaning of "subtle." This version was so over-the-top the audience was laughing at about every other scene.

  • March 14, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Snyder's claim...

    by Kid Z

    ...that the original ending would cause him to waste too much time on the "squid's" backstory was B.S. There'd really be no need to go into the whole story about the artists, writers and scientists on the hidden island. All he needed to do was add a sentence or two to Veidt's monologue about "...after my team's breakthrough success with genetic engineering with Bubastis here, we redoubled out efforts at building my monster, using the brain of famed psychic Robert Deschaine which I acquired after his untimely death...", or some such. Then just have a few easter eggs in the movie, newspaper headlines about missing the missing psychic, etc. Maybe another statement about how the squid was programmed to broadcast "intense psychic feedback", and have Blake mention to Moloch about discovering and infiltrating "a secret scientific base" and that would have done it. It would have added maybe 2-3 minutes, a little less slo-mo, delete Nite Owl's idiotic hissy fit w/ Veidt at the end, and the thing would have still run 2:43. No, Snyder changed the ending because the suits insisted on it. Like Massawyrm said, you can watch the movie and literally pick out every studio note. Seriously, a more intelligent filmmaker should have been chosen to adapt this story. Snyder's fucked up Watchmen. Moore was right. Knew it all along. Hurrrrm.

  • March 14, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    And sorry, I'm in a rant kinda mood today...

    by Kid Z

    ...But Moore was right to have his name taken off this thing. If I had provided the port-a-let service to this flick, I would have wanted my name off of it. Awful, awful, overblown, stupid misfire of a movie. LXG was better, as far as fucked-up Alan Moore adaptations go, for chrissakes. Seriously a total, laughable clusterfuck in all respects. The only way this will have any rewatchability is as a campy oddity that people watch just to laugh at its badness. Sad thing is, this will cause the public at large to avoid Moore and Gibbon's graphic novel like the plague and will set back the movement to view such works as serious fiction by 10, 20 years or so. This will definitely hurt other comics adaptations, mark my words. Snyder now belongs in the ranks of the Joel Schumachers of the world as a hated figure. I hope he never works again.

  • March 14, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    blue penis

    by rodneyfaile

    I loved the movies, but I do not remember that much smurf porn in the graphic novel.

  • March 14, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    WEMAX

    by xile1c

    Wife and me seeing it for the second time tonight, but in IMAX as per Ebert's review. The haters can fuck off. This movie is what real fans have been waiting for.

  • March 14, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    He did it. He did it!

    by Stalin vs Predator

    http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5200/howawfulaboutalan.jpg

  • March 14, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    YOU GO poddie

    by xile1c

    "I really can't adequetly explain the amount of hatred I feel for the Watchmen "fanbase". I have not read the GN. What I do know is that this was a FANTASTIC movie. All you pussy nerds with your festering hate nodules can't get over a fucking missing squid. You're handed something 95% faithful and it's still not good enough. Well FUCK YOU. Just FUCK YOU. You try to make up for your complete lack of balls in real life by being a tough guy, over-analyzing prick on the internet. A man makes an impassioned plea for the movie's supporters to go and you have to pull your virtual dick out and try to smack him down. You are the most asinine people and I hate every fucking one of you. You'll really hate the next Fantastic Four movie that comes out and you'll never see the connection with your silly and immature reactions to this film. Again, just FUCK YOU ALL. I wish I could come up with something eloquent to explain my feelings but I know that none of you give a rats ass or listen because you're so intent on finding the next minor detail to rant on." Fucking brilliant! And I'm a fan. Not the type poddie describes here tho.

  • March 14, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Kid Z

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I think your argument for the squid's inclusion is more convincing as an argument foe exclusion ... re-read the monologue addition you suggest; it would be laughable - "the brain of famed psychic" - no, you can't just cover that shit with a monologue. You need something onscreen.<p>Keep in mind I'm not really pro- or anti- squid. Whatever works, works.

  • March 14, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    But this movie wasn't ultimately made for "fans'

    by BALZACS_BALLSAC

    If it had been and retained the original ending of said SQUID it would've made more money because of the extra repeated viewings from WATCHMEN nerds AND plus, and I can't believe nobody is talking about this, the drawing power of a giant monster. Will Smith once pointed out in an interview that if you look at the most successful movies of all time, a lot of them contain creatures. There's a reason for that. I mean you have whole movies like Godzilla or Cloverfield where that is all the movie is pretty much about is the giant monster and it brings people in to the theatre in droves. By going with the cop out monster-less ending, not only did you screw yourself out of repeat Watchmen nerd viewings but also those who love to see giant monsters onscreen I mean, fuck, even GORT was pretty cool in that God awful remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still. I even catch that awful Matthew Broderick Godzilla (no, not Sarah Jessica Parker, lol) when it comes on cable just to see the monster. Just sayin'. Play the odds.

  • March 14, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    chien_sale - stupid statement...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    they should be made by non fans? - corporations? - movies need to be mae by fans - fans of good movies and good books - fans of any good source material that is adaptable - think man

  • March 14, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    5mil...Number 3 behind Race to Witch and Last House...

    by blackmantis

    And that is the end of that.

  • March 14, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I saw it twice and...

    by elvenblade

    no joke, it was even better the second time. I'm a film student and this was one of the most inspiring movies I've seen in a long time. My major problems with the ending were mostly resolved; you start to realize how Hayter/Snyder et al slightly changed the roles that Nite Owl and Dr. Manhattan play in the endgame, and they work much better than the GN ending would have on film... like the GN, you get Dr. Manhattan's cold acceptance of Veidt's plan ("without condoning or condemning, I understand")... instead of Dan porking Laurie (very out-of-character moment from the book...) upon learning of Veidt's plan, he actually tries to react the only way he knows how (playing the hero, violence, etc...) after the act is made extremely personal by the death of Rorschach who confessed earlier his gratefulness at Dan being a good friend (it's impossible for him to connect with the deaths of millions... who could immediately absorb that?)... my only nagging complaint is that they gave Laurie the line "Nothing ends... nothing ever ends" to try and strengthen her character... Lost Girls aside, Moore really can't write women. Even Mina in League loses all her strength as a character in the Black Dossier, where she is at equal footing with Quartermainn... but I digress. Anyway, Hayter is right (if you are reading this, thank you sir for making a great adaptation), and say what you will about the film: it was a giant risk done for the fans and the love for the source material really shows. Snyder put his entire career and his credibility on the line, and that I can respect, not having liked any of his other films. Even if half the things in this article are true, Snyder did so much more than anyone else would have been able to. Gilliam? Del Toro? Greengrass? Jackson? Nobody is that loved in Hollywood, nobody could have brought so much of the GN to the screen intact. http://io9.com/5165227/the-version-of-watchmen-the-studio-wanted

  • March 14, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    David Hayter is no Charlie Kaufman.

    by Bjornegar

    Heck, David Hayter is no David Goyer, even. Anyone who describes WATCHMEN - or any superhero movie - as "challenging" should STOP USING WORDS.

  • March 14, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Honestly...

    by Interficium

    The squid ending (lack thereof) didn't bother me too much. I thought the Jon and Adrian working together plot point kept Adrian more involved in the movie, whereas in the book he basically only pops at the beginning in the very end, which would have been pretty jarring in a film.<br><br>The things that bothered me are... well, nitpicky I guess. They bothered me because it seemed like there was no REASON to change them, at least not using the squid ending served a purpose. Like changing the Rorschach child-killer scene so that he hacks up a dude instead of letting him burn alive while he gives his awesome "It's us, only us" monologue. Instead we get the meat cleaver and a seriously abridged version of the speech. Why does Rorschach keep saying "I"? And Nite Owl beating up Adrian at the end is about a thousand times less good of a comeuppance than Jon saying "Nothing ever ends" then leaving Adrian alone in the dark. They tried to hint at it with the long pull-out shot leaving Karnak but...<br><br>I don't know, as the box office receipts from this weekend clearly show, this is basically a movie ONLY for the fans, so it's a little baffling to me why they made some of those odd changes. It's like... I mean, you've already jumped the chasm and made a movie that is pretty clearly not trying to appeal to most of the mainstream moviegoer... now go all the way!

  • March 14, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    blackmantis - what do the numbers prove?...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    witch mountain and last house remake are better movies?

  • March 14, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    The numbers prove the movie is a flop...

    by blackmantis

    ...and that David Hayter's desperate plea fell on deaf ears.

  • March 14, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Bjornegar - the movie is challenging...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ... to those who have come to expect certain things from a super hero movie - and that is why it might slip in box office - behind less challenging time tested crap - like milk toast comedy and cookie cutter slasher shit - the truth is, the masses dont want or like being challenged - a lot say they do (because it makes them sound smart), but when they are they cant or refuse to process the challenge so they reject it as "inferior" - the dark knight wasnt challenging - it is a great movie - but its grey areas arent that grey - watchmen was all grey area - the heroes were also the villains - the average cineplex goer doesnt like loose ends

  • March 14, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    blackmantis - by what standard?...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    big box office doesnt always equal quality

  • March 14, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    macdonalds makes billions selling crappy food

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • March 14, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    I loved it!

    by Dazzler69

    I will try and see it in imax this time.

  • March 14, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Boucher at the LA times got it right

    by Interficium

    A lot of parallels to Fight Club and Eyes Wide Shut (I won't go as far to say Blade Runner as well, but....) are beginning to shape up here in the second weekend.

  • March 14, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    so the giant squid

    by alice 13

    is the giant squid the threat of a flop that unites us? or is the giant squid the actual flop that should ultimately brings us together?

  • March 14, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    jimmyjoe: "challenging" and made by fans

    by necgray

    First, if you want to make a salient point about what makes for "challenging", it's best to correctly spell milquetoast. Anyway, Watchmen wore its themes and intent on its sleeve. It wasn't really that "challenging". The grey area you talk about didn't really exist. Ozymandias is villainous from the moment we see him. Watch that performance and tell me Goode isn't practically twirling his moustache. The changed ending makes Manhattan an unwitting dupe in his own manipulation, whereas in the GN, he took part in the plot. In the film, you don't even really get the sense of tacit approval from Dan that you get in the GN. THAT is grey. The movie? Not so much. <p> As for the "made by fans" talk, I agree to a point. I think it's important for an adaptation to be done by someone who has a passion for the material. BUT I also think that you HAVE to distance yourself from your passion. The advantage that non-fans have is that they can be objective about what stays and goes. I believe Snyder and Hayter were objective enough to make changes where they thought necessary, but I would argue that they WEREN'T objective enough to actually figure out what needed changing. The fact that they stuck so close to the structure of the GN blows my mind. It's a film, and the structure of the GN isn't the best structure for a film. So I'm glad they were willing to make changes, but I also think they were too devoted to the source material to make SMART changes.

  • March 14, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    It flopped by the standard Hayter wanted to achieve with his let

    by blackmantis

    Getting more people to see it.

  • March 14, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Hayter cried, "Save us!" We whispered, "No."

    by youridol

  • March 14, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    71% drop at best

    by JuanSanchez

    That's with a 3X multiplier. I doubt the Saturday and Sunday totals will be that good.

  • March 14, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    David Hayter is the man.

    by Evangelion217

    I love his work on "Metal Gear." And he's right, "Watchmen" is a daring piece of filmmaking, and I consider it to be a fine work of art. But I don't want "Watchmen", or "The Dark Knight" to be the true definitions of superhero films. Can't fun superhero films like "Spiderman 2", and "Iron Man" be influential?? :(

  • March 14, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    the dark knight wasnt challenging

    by Evangelion217

    I disagree. Yes, it does spoon-feed the audience alot more, but it can be challenging. If it wasn't so challenging, then people wouldn't be asking so many questions, nor would they be over-analyzing it. And Batman was more of a vigilante, then an actual hero. He just had a bit more heroism then the so-called heroes in "Watchmen." But I agree, "Watchmen" is the more challenging and daring achievement.

  • March 14, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Ozymandias is villainous from the moment we see him.

    by Evangelion217

    Not to people who haven't read the graphic novel.

  • March 14, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Moore really can't write women

    by Evangelion217

    This is easily the most asinine thing ever said about Moore. But I love your post, and I'm glad you enjoyed the film even more during a second viewing. We're going to feel the ripples of this film for years to come. :)

  • March 14, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    on a side note: regarding Kubrick

    by Ray Gamma

    All the shitmouths on here keep stating that Hayter is "no Kubrick".... </P> <P>Well, excuse me if I'm the first person to point out the emperor's nakedness, but it has to be said that the much-revered 'cult-classic' "A Clockwork Orange" is, in fact, an unwatchable piece of boring shit. </P> <P> It had a fantastic score though.

  • March 14, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Well, This Looks to Be It, Folks...

    by DeeJay

    ... and Warners likely needs to decide what it's going to do with the related revenue streams (the documentary, cable rights, "Black Freighter" and the upcoming DVD release). Unless "Watchmen" has some sort of Saturday miracle today, ticket sales won't provide positive returns on their multi-year investment within the next few weeks. The product may be able to break even on the estimated $200 million for production and marketing, but the question is how soon it'll be able to do that. The executives may now have to switch (e.g. put more money into) their marketing strategies for the their summer slate? I recognize that this all depends on their in-house quarterly and annual profit targets--- which will probably be re-adjusted next week--- but how do the execs normally respond to such bad news? "Watchmen" may not be a flop, per se, but the fact that it's getting worked-over by a "Witch Mountain" remake starring the Rock would imply that it's officially getting the "People's Finger," this weekend. I can't imagine that having been the outcome Warners had in mind when moving forward on the movie.

  • March 14, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Evangelion...

    by DeeJay

    ... sorry but, indeed, many people who hadn't read the books saw Ozy as rather transparently villainous. One of my co-workers (not a genre fan) could pretty much tell that Ozy was suspicious from the word go. He also noticed Ozy's pink icons and Studio 54 connection, for what that's worth.

  • March 14, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoe

    by Bjornegar

    When I said "stop using words," I meant you. Not really, of course. Who am I? Emperor of Word Usage? No. But, I do know what "challenging" is. I don't need you to explain it to me. Thankfully, you have necgray to explain it to you if you can't take my word for it.

  • March 14, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Where are the black-boxes?

    by robotdevil

    Does anyone but me find it odd that not one AICN crew member had even a single comment to make on this subject or in this talkback? Really? Not one guy? Not one comment? How odd.

  • March 14, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Box Office is always meaningless.

    by Bjornegar

    So, I'll put it in other terms. Considering how much hope so many had for a film adaptation of WATCHMEN to pwn and have forcible sex with their eyes, this film is an utter catastrophe. Didn't even please HALF of the predisposed FANS of the material. Biggest geek flop since SNAKES ON A PLANE, relatively speaking. Less rewarding than GRINDHOUSE, all things considered. Even the STAR WARS prequels will be proven to have more lasting value. THE HOBBIT will be a cakewalk for Del Toro. Hell, even Burton could get away with doing THE HOBBIT now. Wake me up if Zack Snyder ever grows up.

  • March 14, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    i saw it twice as well.

    by Warcraft

    good luck watchmen.

  • March 14, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt...

    by Kid Z

    ...yeah sure it's laughable, I basically pulled it out of my ass on a Saturday morning... it needs work. But it's a better solution than the mess Hayter and Snyder gave us. I think they were forced into a problem wherein they came up with a solution without thinking everything through to its logical outcome, resulting in an alternate ending that was unsatisfying in the extreme. Too bad.

  • March 14, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    On Ozy being villanous

    by subtlety

    Not everyone I saw it with instantly pegged Ozy as a villain, but everyone knew immediately he was supposed to be effete and unlikable. Not what Moore had in mind at all, and certainly not the way Gibbons draws him (in the book he looks more like Robert Redford than in the movie, where he looks and acts like David Spade's taller, gayer brother).<br><br> Not to blame Hayter for that, necessarily; although the script doesn't humanize him much I think the blame has to fall on Synder, who (gauging from his three films) has a huge hard on for Macho action men and a limitless reserve of contempt for anyone who doesn't think Sparta would necessarily be a great place to live. The film basically canonizes Rorsarch and the Comedian, ommitting a few of their more odious qualities and finding much richer performances from them. Meanwhile, folks like Dan and Ozy get played very broadly as wimps and limp-wristed villains. And as for Laurie, the movie could hardly be less interested in her unless she's fucking or fighting. Unfortunately, I think Alexandra's review is right on the money; Synder gets some of the book, but he misses a lot of the nuance. He only understands (or, only is interested in) a couple characters and points (which he directs quite well) and other characters and points get treated pretty ambivalently if they're addressed at all.

  • March 14, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Saw it again today

    by MY_BLUE_PENIS

    Loved it. Better the second time around. And as far as BO goes, yesterday Watchmen and Last House made just over 5 mill, Witch Mountain made a bit over 6. Seems to be a pretty even race.

  • March 14, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Watchmen BO off a whopping 78%.

    by Kid Z

  • March 14, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Watchmen BO off a whopping 78%.

    by Kid Z

    This thing's tanking faster than the mortgage derivatives market. Face it guys... EPIC FAIL!

  • March 14, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    "David Spayde's taller, gayer brother."

    by Kid Z

    LMAO!

  • March 14, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Subtlety...

    by DeeJay

    ... I can't argue with you on that and, to a certain extent, you're being generous with Snyder. It almost seemed as if he cared so little for the Silk Spectre character that he didn't even bother ensuring tight editing for Ackerman's Mars scenes (even Sean Connery couldn't effectively interact with a CGI character if the editing weren't done with sufficient care). Had that scene come off effectively (a tall order when one considers how humanized the Comedian character was, at that point), Ackerman likely wouldn't be having her acting chops savaged all across cyberspace. Where is this Alexandra review, again?

  • March 14, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    It definitely reeks of competitors in here

    by Ray Gamma

    All these guys quoting figures and wishing failure on Watchmen. COME ON. Do you expect the average reader to believe that you're just some ordinary geek on a forum? Give us a fucking break. Hollywood is populated by poisonous, horrible cunts.

  • March 14, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    DeeJay re: Ackerman

    by necgray

    If Ackerman had also given Laurie the spark and verve she has in the GN, she wouldn't be getting savaged. She got the boredom, not the balls. BUT I'm willing to say that's partly Snyder's fault for not seeming to give a shit if she was strong or not. Subtlety and Mizz Dupont have it: what he was interested in got the gold star treatment, what he wasn't got a bump. Maybe if Snyder had told her, "hey, up the attitude and drop the dissatisfaction", or if Hayter had spent less time in the script on Manhattan's backstory and more on Laurie's backstory, she'd be in better shape.

  • March 14, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Kid Z....

    by MY_BLUE_PENIS

    Why are you rooting for this to fail?

  • March 14, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Ray Gamma...

    by DeeJay

    ... it's not a prediction when an event is actually in progress. Many of us have stated--- in other AICN talkbacks--- that we had high hopes for this project. However, reality seemed to have another plan for the movie. Your passion for the subject matter is appreciated, but there isn't a conspiracy here, fellow poster. After all, if the machinations of Hollywood executives were as capable as you imply, a major studio such as Warner Brothers wouldn't be taking such a hit on their "Watchmen" investment.

  • March 14, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Blue...

    by DeeJay

    ... sorry, but the proverbial "game" is already over (and comparing "Watchmen" to movies which likely came at 1/2 or less of its cost is rather pointless). Warners can still end up in the black, though. It'll depend on how the other revenue streams (DVD, cable, the documetary and "Black Freighter" in particular) perform. Even though their exposure was pretty high on this project, they were smart enough to build in some safeguards to help shorten the window of time it'll take to recoup their investment. The real concern is how all of this will effect the filming of other "fringe" genre projects.

  • March 14, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    the weird thing is

    by subtlety

    Snyder does sort of obsessively stick to the book, its just so clear that some parts of it actually mean something to him and other parts just sort of get stuck in because, you know, they're in the book. Most of the major events surrounding Laurie are in the movie, they just look like they were put together with all the nuance and passion of the "Fantastic Four" movie. It feels like Snyder doesn't understand Laurie, Dan or Ozy at all; he only gets the broadest of their archetypes. Everything else, particularly Dan and Laurie's struggles with identity and Ozy's strangely genuine humane outlook... it feels like Snyder just doesn't see that stuff. There are some holdover lines from the book in there that pay lip service to it, but nothing is dealt with with even a quarter of the passion that Snyder seems to feel for Rorsarch and Comedian, and to some extent Jon. Malin Ackerman as Laurie... she's super intense when fucking or fighting, which seems to be what Snyder sees in her. Which is a real shame since those are the least important things to her character. Everything else relating to her is just incredibly anemic, in terms or acting and direction (the blaise attitude towards editing and acting the Mars scenes is a case in point, absolutely. Her bored dinner with Dan is another). Its all in there, its just like Snyder doesn't know WHY some of it is in the book (even though he kept it in the movie)<br><br> I felt the same way, btw, about some of the other things, like the graphic violence. Its graphic in the book, yes, but it seems like they actually kicked UP the violence for the movie, just to prove they understand the book is pretty brutal. But here's the thing; the book is violent because Moore wants to show us what comic book violence looks like in the REAL world. Its to make us uncomfortable with the idea of sanitized, black-and-white super hero vigilantism. But the movie so far overdoes it that the violence isn't realistic at all - its goofy, almost "Dead-Alive" gore which actually makes it feel more wild and crazy and... fun. That's the kind of thing which makes me feel like Snyder completely misses the point of a lot of what the novel is doing. btw Deejay, Alexandra DuPont's review is at http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40339 and I think its probably the most balanced one I've seen out there, which correctly praises the film's strong points (and there are quite a few) but ultimately acknowledges that while Snyder may have been the ideal guy to get this movie MADE, he probably wasn't the idea artist for it.

  • March 14, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Necgray...

    by DeeJay

    ... I hear you, and won't disagree. Even with Ackerman, she probably should've put more time into persuading Snyder to allow her playing the character truer to the books. At least she gave us all a chuckle during the scene with the multiple Manhattans, though (albeit a somewhat uncomfortable chuckle). Whatever the case, I'm going to trump Ray Gamma's conspiracy, and say that someone involved with the editing process was trying to make her look stupid during those Mars scenes.

  • March 14, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    DeeJay

    by Ray Gamma

    If anything, the long-term impact that Watchmen will have, will be the death of the Superhero movie. First we have "The Dark Knight", then this. Two enormous movies that feature a grim, adults-only, warts-and-all take on the genre. How can audiences go back to the flawless, bloodless, vanilla superhero films that went before?

  • March 14, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Hancock did pretty well

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Super flashy movie. More flashy than TDK and Watchmen

  • March 14, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    I'm enjoying the FUCK YOU NERDS comments

    by kirttrik

    You know, the talkbackers who consistently say shit like "fucking shit talking nerd geeks can't be pleased with anything" need to realized that films like WATCHMEN, that you have suddenly decided to embrace, are only made by studios because of decades of FAN/geek/nerd worship. Without the initial fans, without writers like Alan Moore, you'd be watching Ratner's YOUNGBLOODS, and probably mindlessly liking that shit too. So for all you, I guess the term would be, normal film viewers, I, as a nerd, would like a THANK YOU from all of you. I'd like a thank you for being a part of the initial statistics that somehow convince the money men into funding this project. So, for all your FUCK YOU AICN NERD talk, well, you got the last half of the phrase right, the first half should have been a bit different. When your ready, I'll accept your apology.

  • March 14, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    My guess is..

    by kirttrik

    this movie might break even in the theaters, then finally make a profit with the dvd sales.

  • March 14, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Witness the new eminem

    by pleasebanme

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpvM-aOWtr8

  • March 14, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    last thought on Ozy and Snyder

    by subtlety

    I think it ought to be said that Snyder way playing up Ozy's more effete aspects smacks of homophobia. Which definitely isnt there in the book.

  • March 14, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Never heard of Watchmen before this movie

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I wonder who's the asshole that gets to judge this as the best graphic novel when half the public has never heard of it?

  • March 14, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Never heard of Watchmen before this movie²

    by MattInTheHat