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Massawyrm's promised (and belated) spoiler heavy dissection of WATCHMEN!!



Hola all. Massawyrm here.

(Hey gang, for those who have been patiently (and impatiently) waiting for this, I apologize for its lateness. It’s been a rough few days. Seriously, fuck this week.)

Fanboy. Film junkie. Dork. Comic book nerd. Use whatever word you want. We all have a name for what it is we do – but around here we’ve become fond of the term geek. And geek culture is in a weird place right now, divided by a film and our feelings on it. And part of me is elated by this – after all, that is exactly what we geeks do. As much as we might try to pretend otherwise, we are nothing but a group of hyper-consumers who love to over-intellectualize our media and define ourselves with our fandom. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. It’s the natural progression of things. My father grew up fascinated by Trains and WWII movies and carried those passions on through his life. His father grew up in love with Cowboys and Gangsters and carried them on through his life. And for each of us Hollywood was there to sell us products that played upon that love.

I love super heroes and space monsters and broadswords and blasters. And odds are so do you.

The problem comes when people begin expecting something out of geek culture. I’ve talked to people who are disappointed in those of us unhappy with the film. After all, since it was made FOR US we should support it, right? We should appreciate it, right? We have. We are. And we will continue to. By doing what we geeks do best: over-intellectualizing our media. We talk about it. Debate it. And if there’s one thing a geek loves more than a good debate about comic books and science fiction films…it is a good ARGUMENT about comic books and science fiction films. And that’s what’s been going on for almost two weeks now after the first embargo busting reviews leaked online followed by the flood once the embargo was lifted. And now that the film is in theaters the genie is out of the bottle altogether.

This weekend I saw the film for a second time, slipping in just before the theater went dark. I went alone. I didn’t want to see this again with friends or co-workers, I didn’t want someone leaning over to crack jokes or to recognize a buddy’s giggle every time blue dong flopped out. When I saw WATCHMEN the first time, I was watching Zack Snyder’s ADAPTATION of the greatest comic book story ever written. This time I went to watch Zack Snyder’s FILM. And I found it a decidedly different experience.

First of all, before I get into specifics I want to clarify something. I think Zack Snyder is a visual genius. Say what you will about his ability to adapt a work, his comprehension of the message in his films or his obsessions with physical perfection and his glorification of ultra-violence. All of these things bear discussing and no doubt disagreement. But his visuals are gorgeous. He paints with film like no one else. He conjures images that no one else seems capable of mustering. Snyder possesses a singular ability to not only look at something and imitate it, but to make it so surreal that it transports you to that world. There is so much visual information lurking in many shots that sometimes you don’t see the jokes or the layers until a few viewings in. While I might take issue with what he does with story, I cannot find fault with the painstaking attention he gives to every single shot in his films. He is obsessed and it works for him. And I respect that immensely.

And much of what I love about WATCHMEN is contained in those shots. He certainly put me in the world of the WATCHMEN, walked me up and introduced me to Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan, and then flew me around in Archie. He gets so much of WATCHMEN right that I certainly understand those critical of the disappointed who talk about this being as close to a true adaptation as we’ve ever seen. I can follow along in my graphic novel and see shot for shot where he took it from the comic – and I can even see how he improved upon it. Where he took the comic and filled in the blanks visually, making even the most mundane frames interesting.

But the other thing I love about Snyder’s WATCHMEN is its shorthand. Together with David Hayter and Alex Tse, Snyder abbreviated many of the dialog heavy scenes into perfectly executed smaller bites – he took drawn out, complicated threads and simplified them to the point that they were felt without being overly explained, while only rarely OVER simplifying them. In place of Rorschach’s eloquent nihilistic explanation of how the child killing affected him they give us the brilliant line “If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn’t mind.” And it hits notes better than the speech did. The film is peppered with moments like that – perfectly adapted scenes that take what the book was saying and condensed it. There’s also not a single thing that I MISSED from the book that was omitted rather than changed. Everything that was cut didn’t belong in the feature. Not the Black Freighter, not the newsstand, not the cops, not the Psychiatrist’s wife. MAYBE Jon going back to Gila Flats, but I didn’t miss that while I was watching it either. Only after.

Over all, upon my second viewing, I enjoyed the film. I love whole chunks of it, while simply enjoying others for what they are. I think Snyder made a very interesting film that will introduce an entire generation to a really great book and will come to be debated and ultimately accepted as one of the great works of this decade.

It is a great, visceral ride. But intellectually I have problems with it. The biggest of which that I have yet to reconcile deals with the ending. As my previous review stated, every major issue I have comes from the changes there. And frankly, I think the problem is that Snyder got too close to the comic, that he spent too much time playing to us in the early days of preproduction by carrying around a Copy of WATCHMEN and telling us all that he was using it as a Bible for the making of the film. Had he not done that, had he said “Look, I’m making my version of the film. I love the book, but come on. It takes 5 and a half hours just to listen to all of the dialog read at proper speed. But I promise you I will capture the spirit of WATCHMEN.” Would the geek press have flayed him alive? Almost certainly. But we would have walked into this looking at it as HIS film rather than OURS. And when the film looked like it was our WATCHMEN, it really threw many of us for a loop when it suddenly takes a wild turn. The film, for the most part, IS WATCHMEN. Until the end. As the saying goes : so close, and yet so far.

Snyder didn’t just make a Rated R version of WATCHMEN. He made a VERY Rated R version of Watchmen. Almost every set piece sticks out as if to say “You thought the comic was adult? Wait till you see what I do with it.” When Rorschach kills his first criminal he doesn’t just burn him alive by chaining him up, setting his house on fire and watching from outside – he hacks him to death with a meat cleaver. When the assassin ambushes Veidt, he doesn’t just shoot the secretary by accident - he also blows Lee Iacoca’s brains out. Daniel doesn’t just strip Laurie in Archie the Owlship and presses the flamethrower button for the sake of comic metaphor – they fuck in front of us with plenty of slow motion thrusting. Then they hit the flamethrower. When Rorschach ties the hands of Big Figure’s goon, they don’t slit his throat – they lop his arms off with a power saw. When Dan and Laurie beat up thugs (whether in alleys or in Prison) they don’t just clobber them and bloody their noses – they burst bone through flesh. Dr. Manhattan doesn’t just poof people out of existence – he pulps them into explosive goo that showers body parts away so violently that they stick to the ceiling.

In fact, there is hardly a single element of this book which Snyder doesn’t amplify. He gets up into your face and makes it more extreme, more adult, as if to constantly say “This is an ADULT comic book movie. For mature watchers.” These elements become hyper violent, hyper sexual. The types of things that insures that this is a film meant to be watched and understood by adults and only adults. Until the ending. Then it becomes decidedly Hollywood. Much less complicated. And much, MUCH less adult.

The first real problem with the ending comes from making Manhattan the OMINOUS FOE. This just opens a whole can of intellectual worms that will fester and pester and annoy you as you try to wrap your mind around them. Let me get this straight. OUR nuclear deterrent, OUR hero, the very model of American power in the world, goes nuts, kills 15 Million people…and that’s going to bring the world together? Our toy blows up several major cities and the rest of the world won’t hold us accountable? Really? And when he ups and leaves, we assume that everyone will believe he will live forever and remain a constant threat? This leads you down a road of possible futures that seem too farfetched even for a deranged super genius like Veidt to envision. The reason the original extra dimension invasion concept worked so well was the fact that it was entirely unverifiable by science, posed an unending threat and didn’t implicate anyone. In fact, by happening to us (much as we would see a decade and a half later in the real world) a tragedy of this magnitude would earn us the sympathy of the rest of the world, smoothing the peace process. By happening to the other superpower and several other major countries, it runs the risk of the blame game.

Next we run into the problem of the big hollow hole that was once New York. After seeing every hit result in a broken bone, every violent scene turned into a ballet of carnage, every small death turned ultraviolent – we are treated to 8 pages of heart wrenching, stomach turning, blood curdling aftermath turned into a flash of light and a smoking crater. When Manhattan and Laurie show up in New York just after the attack, they are literally wading through bodies. These people didn’t dies quickly in an instant. They died horribly. Painfully. With the images of madness telepathically burned into their brains. It is a cornucopia of death and destruction so grotesque that it truly forces us to confront whether or not it was worth it. On September 11th roughly 3000 people died. This event is 1000 9/11’s. And the book asks you very bluntly: Can you live with that? To save the world from itself?

The books premise, from Rorschach’s violent antics to Dr. Manhattan’s intervention in human politics to Veidt’s murder of 3,000,000 people, forces you to consider whether or not the ends truly justify the means. And by not forcing the audience to confront those images, by not showing them a devastated New York, by glossing over it with a bright flash and a big hole, you never force the audience to really weigh the price against the product. They simply get a math problem worthy of Dr. Manhattan himself. 15 Million Lives to save 6 Billion now and untold billions later. Would you kill one out of every 400 people to achieve world peace? One person in 400 who (as Laurie says at the end of the book) “…can’t disagree or eat Indian food, or love each other…” anymore?

Then there’s the problem with how it all goes down and who says what to whom. This gets jumbled around in a way that neuters some of the greatness of the ending. Because one of the best parts about the end of WATCHMEN is seeing who it is that has just (possibly) saved the world. A violent radical right wing conservative, an egg-headed liberal megalomaniac idealist, a thoroughly detached scientist, a middle aged burnout who longs for nothing more than reliving his glory days of winning the big game and fucking the cheerleader and a messed up broken girl with daddy issues who just wants to be loved. Ladies and Gentlemen, your WATCHMEN starting lineup. And nothing punctuates these points so profoundly than the reaction of these characters to one of the greatest endgames in comic book history. But not here. Here the end results are much the same, but the meanings are lost.

Rorschach, the books one true hero (depending on the way you look at it) still gets his hero’s death in the snow. But it’s no longer alone. In the book Only Manhattan knows he’s really dead. Everyone else really doesn’t care. But here we get the Hollywood “NNNNOOOOOOOO!” from Daniel who needs to protest to punctuate an already incredible death scene (seriously, almost everything with Haley is BETTER than in the book). Why wasn’t Dan there in the book? Because he was off fucking Laurie. She’s so put off by what she’s seen, so messed up by what she is party to, that she has to feel human. She NEEDS to feel loved. So they sneak off to a pool and screw. Dan, rather than being party to witnessing his friend’s death, is instead off getting his happy ending: he’s won the big game and now he gets to fuck the cheerleader.

And once Dr. Manhattan is back from wiping Rorschach off of him, he goes to talk to Laurie, who is instead in the arms of another man – so he visits Veidt and gives him the speech that Snyder has him give to Laurie instead. In the book it is an ominous, cold, disconnected approval of what Veidt has done. He’s done the math. But he’s also seen the future. And he’s pretty much sick of our shit, so he leaves. Here, with Crudup’s gentle delivery, it becomes a tacit approval of Laurie’s relationship with Dan, a necessity to maintain the illusion of his menace and he smiles and leaves to go play god somewhere. After regaining some semblance of humanity. And Veidt is simply robbed of Manhattan’s final fuck you – the veiled hint that leaves him entirely unsure of himself for the first time in the entirety of the story.

So while Rorschach still dies in the snow, Manhattan still leaves, Veidt still changes the world and Dan and Laurie still run off to live happily ever after, it is all somehow different. Hollow. Less vague, less (as Manhattan puts it) complicated. And MUCH LESS adult. It is, simply, less. When all is said and done, Snyder has created a much more easily digestible, mainstream ending that gets the pieces right but puts them in all the wrong places.

On its own, watched as its own film, it is a fine ending. It gives a satisfying end for most everyone. Rorschach has someone who cares. Laurie has someone who needs her. Dan has someone who gets him. Veidt has created a new empire. And Manhattan rides off happily into the sunset with a newfound sense of humanity. That’s a fine ending to a film.

But not to an adaptation. Not of WATCHMEN. Hence my displeasure upon my first viewing of it. Personally, I can’t wait to see Snyder’s directors cut to see how the film is modified – if anything changes or if it is simply MORE. I’m fine with both. No doubt we’ll all have this conversation again, hopefully sooner rather than later. But until then I remain mixed.

Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em.

Massawyrm

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FIRST
by wozzletof
Mar 11th, 2009
09:35:44 AM
"Everything that was cut didn’t belong in the feature"
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
09:42:24 AM
A visual genius?
by zoothorn21
Mar 11th, 2009
09:43:20 AM
Hey...
by Chadley BeBay
Mar 11th, 2009
09:43:52 AM
Disappointing film
by Judge_Dredd
Mar 11th, 2009
09:44:11 AM
Visual genius
by jefflebowski
Mar 11th, 2009
09:45:32 AM
They should have cast
by CobraKai
Mar 11th, 2009
09:46:30 AM
Is the opening sequence online?
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
09:46:41 AM
Good read. But disagree.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
09:49:38 AM
The only disappointing part for me...
by Marxeffect
Mar 11th, 2009
09:52:13 AM
CobraKai: They SHOULD have cast this with washed-up Brat Packers
by Margot_Tenenbaum
Mar 11th, 2009
09:54:47 AM
as i get distance, the movie ending gets better
by dashielm
Mar 11th, 2009
09:54:52 AM
So a giant psychic squid would be the MORE ADULT ending?
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
09:55:26 AM
Its the Kenny Fuckin Powers News Hour
by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers
Mar 11th, 2009
09:55:36 AM
Hit the nail on the head.
by erichaislar
Mar 11th, 2009
09:55:40 AM
The clean wipe of new yorks ass.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
09:56:13 AM
i get it now
by readyoufool
Mar 11th, 2009
09:56:18 AM
THANK YOU MASSAWYRM
by Chadley BeBay
Mar 11th, 2009
09:57:43 AM
Also I hate the squid in the book too
by erichaislar
Mar 11th, 2009
09:59:11 AM
Great dissection
by Gd00
Mar 11th, 2009
10:00:42 AM
zom-bot.com: yeah, I thought that was odd too
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
10:02:28 AM
And I'm sorry but...
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
10:02:57 AM
I disagree about the Dr. Manhattan ending
by jimmy_009
Mar 11th, 2009
10:03:27 AM
That's fair...
by DoctorWho?
Mar 11th, 2009
10:04:25 AM
Great reasoning Massa...
by Darth Macchio
Mar 11th, 2009
10:05:33 AM
THE ENDING YOU STUPID FUCKS
by Chadley BeBay
Mar 11th, 2009
10:05:59 AM
Good review
by Jack_Griffin
Mar 11th, 2009
10:08:09 AM
DoctorWho?: Do not get me started on ROTK changes
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
10:08:31 AM
Oh and seriously
by Chadley BeBay
Mar 11th, 2009
10:08:38 AM
Its the "day the earth stood still" come to fruition.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:09:18 AM
I avoided the book before the film for precisely these reasons.
by MMacKK
Mar 11th, 2009
10:10:12 AM
Re: Ending
by oaser
Mar 11th, 2009
10:10:24 AM
Why do people need to see dead bodies?
by CherryValance
Mar 11th, 2009
10:10:27 AM
COME ON!!
by askholia
Mar 11th, 2009
10:11:18 AM
fools...
by Chadley BeBay
Mar 11th, 2009
10:14:48 AM
good review. thanks!
by smudgewhat
Mar 11th, 2009
10:15:53 AM
an observation...
by bennie garcia
Mar 11th, 2009
10:16:54 AM
Yes he's American made...
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:17:13 AM
Why should humanity be afraid of a squid...
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
10:17:20 AM
Oh, and a question...
by oaser
Mar 11th, 2009
10:17:39 AM
Chadley BeBay
by jimmy_009
Mar 11th, 2009
10:17:47 AM
Agreed!
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
10:18:25 AM
Squid ending would be a whole other movie
by MegaBaltar5000
Mar 11th, 2009
10:18:28 AM
The film is fucking brilliant. Loved every second!
by Motoko Kusanagi
Mar 11th, 2009
10:20:22 AM
ZACK SNYDER IS THE NEW MICHAEL BAY.
by HoboCode
Mar 11th, 2009
10:20:24 AM
HoboCode
by oaser
Mar 11th, 2009
10:22:07 AM
I got chills every time....
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:22:28 AM
Some geeks have to over analyze every fucking detail...
by Leafar the Lost
Mar 11th, 2009
10:23:04 AM
Snyder is not Michael Bay.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:24:05 AM
To make everything clear:
by Motoko Kusanagi
Mar 11th, 2009
10:24:59 AM
The level of gore in this film is really unacceptable
by Vindibudd
Mar 11th, 2009
10:25:06 AM
The directors cut will be 3 1/2 hours.
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
10:27:35 AM
Nicely articulated.
by mode_7
Mar 11th, 2009
10:27:43 AM
Thank you Massawyrm
by Darth_Tarantino
Mar 11th, 2009
10:28:56 AM
DVD is great, fuck Blu-ray. Seriously.
by Motoko Kusanagi
Mar 11th, 2009
10:29:24 AM
knowthyself.
by HoboCode
Mar 11th, 2009
10:29:42 AM
Saw this last night for the first time
by spud mcspud
Mar 11th, 2009
10:30:01 AM
Nice Part 2, Massa.
by Kevin Holsinger
Mar 11th, 2009
10:30:05 AM
Movie Ending is Better
by enderandrew
Mar 11th, 2009
10:30:12 AM
Loved the movie...
by erik_a
Mar 11th, 2009
10:30:32 AM
you didn't mention all the bad acting...
by Rupee88
Mar 11th, 2009
10:30:54 AM
"People who like books and hate their endings "
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
10:30:57 AM
One last time.
by mode_7
Mar 11th, 2009
10:31:19 AM
Your problem with the ending...
by V'Shael
Mar 11th, 2009
10:31:32 AM
sex and violence
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
10:32:03 AM
Why I fucking hate HD
by spud mcspud
Mar 11th, 2009
10:33:05 AM
"This is an ADULT comic book movie"!?! I disagree ...
by The Wolf at the Door
Mar 11th, 2009
10:34:21 AM
Ummmm, Comedian wasn't upset about John...
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
10:35:45 AM
REVENGE_OF_FETT
by spud mcspud
Mar 11th, 2009
10:37:35 AM
Really?
by WeAreNotAmused
Mar 11th, 2009
10:37:59 AM
Sorry, Massa...
by Duck of Death
Mar 11th, 2009
10:40:01 AM
spud mcspud: Yeah, but that was after Hollis died
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
10:40:39 AM
lol @ fuck hd
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:41:27 AM
My simple statement
by BackStJoe
Mar 11th, 2009
10:41:59 AM
I dont mind the ending because ...
by Animation
Mar 11th, 2009
10:42:51 AM
I HAVE Guitar Hero 3 for my PS3. Works fantastic, looks and soun
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
10:43:29 AM
substance or intelligence?
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:43:39 AM
I agree with this
by Dr. Chim Richalds
Mar 11th, 2009
10:43:39 AM
Rorschach's blood splat
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:45:16 AM
REVENGE_OF_FETT *sigh*
by spud mcspud
Mar 11th, 2009
10:47:24 AM
The manhattan bombs were teleported to the cities.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:48:58 AM
REVENGE_OF_FETT
by spud mcspud
Mar 11th, 2009
10:49:35 AM
The ending
by NoahTall
Mar 11th, 2009
10:51:20 AM
Another thing...
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
10:51:57 AM
Here's why I thought it was an improvement...
by WeAreNotAmused
Mar 11th, 2009
10:51:58 AM
Bluray is all I buy nowadays.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:52:03 AM
knowthyself
by spud mcspud
Mar 11th, 2009
10:52:06 AM
knowthyself
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
10:55:03 AM
What would HPL have called it?
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
10:55:44 AM
Your over thinking it.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
10:56:27 AM
Damn right, TDK didn't had this violence...
by Motoko Kusanagi
Mar 11th, 2009
10:57:50 AM
The Movie and The Book...the Sad Tale of the Watchmen
by micturatingbenjamin
Mar 11th, 2009
10:58:25 AM
Bingo Knowthyself
by WeAreNotAmused
Mar 11th, 2009
10:58:32 AM
My impression was that...
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
10:59:19 AM
Return of the King
by Phimseto
Mar 11th, 2009
11:01:46 AM
Perfect
by Savage Lucy
Mar 11th, 2009
11:09:03 AM
Manhattan...
by micturatingbenjamin
Mar 11th, 2009
11:09:08 AM
Congrats, Massa
by Rex Carsalot
Mar 11th, 2009
11:10:25 AM
either a movie works as a whole or it doesn't
by FleshMachine
Mar 11th, 2009
11:10:30 AM
Flesh...
by micturatingbenjamin
Mar 11th, 2009
11:13:14 AM
spud mcspud
by Koyaanisqatsi
Mar 11th, 2009
11:13:18 AM
R rating: if it wasn't shown in the book..why show it in the fil
by FleshMachine
Mar 11th, 2009
11:13:32 AM
"only one who's nailed the problems with the ending"
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
11:15:37 AM
Don't forget...
by Darth Macchio
Mar 11th, 2009
11:15:50 AM
knowthyself
by HoboCode
Mar 11th, 2009
11:17:47 AM
micturatingbenjamin
by FleshMachine
Mar 11th, 2009
11:20:48 AM
Here's the thing
by Koyaanisqatsi
Mar 11th, 2009
11:26:25 AM
Can anyone answer these questions?
by Montag666
Mar 11th, 2009
11:27:18 AM
I have no doubt...
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
11:28:18 AM
zoothorn21
by gotilk
Mar 11th, 2009
11:29:45 AM
Opening sequance
by Glaive101
Mar 11th, 2009
11:30:39 AM
Squid had a psychic element...
by MCVamp
Mar 11th, 2009
11:32:04 AM
Massa - You get it. New ending just doesnt work
by wcme
Mar 11th, 2009
11:32:31 AM
Also
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
11:32:54 AM
I'm still thinking of alternative to "the Squid"...
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
11:33:40 AM
Snyder is no Michael Bay
by Montag666
Mar 11th, 2009
11:34:19 AM
Regarding Snyder's "visual genius"
by MCVamp
Mar 11th, 2009
11:35:00 AM
Bush League
by Nickytea
Mar 11th, 2009
11:38:49 AM
You said it MCVamp
by Montag666
Mar 11th, 2009
11:40:10 AM
Re: Arguing mentioned as something geeks love to do
by Arteska
Mar 11th, 2009
11:40:27 AM
Good visuals don't just happen by mistake.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
11:42:52 AM
Massawyrm's right
by jdeuce222001
Mar 11th, 2009
11:43:31 AM
David Hayter begging fans to see it again...
by AzulTool
Mar 11th, 2009
11:43:32 AM
McVamp, you're wrong
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
11:43:46 AM
I NEED MORE WATCHMEN REVIEWS
by Mullah Omar
Mar 11th, 2009
11:43:52 AM
Montag666 - Bubastis
by smorgasbord
Mar 11th, 2009
11:44:17 AM
Has anyone mentioned the opening title sequence,
by skimn
Mar 11th, 2009
11:44:19 AM
Snyder could even have shown the psychic images...
by MCVamp
Mar 11th, 2009
11:45:11 AM
best new addition: Veidt letting Dan pummel him.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
11:45:11 AM
Will Seymour return for the DVD?
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
11:46:23 AM
More hooded justice in the extended cut.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
11:48:21 AM
FETT...
by MCVamp
Mar 11th, 2009
11:50:44 AM
Manhattan is not an earthly threat.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
11:52:48 AM
ask someone who did not read the GN
by vultureman
Mar 11th, 2009
11:53:30 AM
"He is god. When god asks you to stop fighting. You stop."
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
11:57:30 AM
But Manhattan never addressed anyone...
by MCVamp
Mar 11th, 2009
11:59:24 AM
REVENGE_of_FETT
by wcme
Mar 11th, 2009
11:59:30 AM
One thing the movie made me realise...
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
12:03:08 PM
One thing the movie made me realise...
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
12:06:00 PM
Adult Comic Book Movie?
by Flea Circus
Mar 11th, 2009
12:10:51 PM
micturatingbenjamin, I think you missed my point
by The Wolf at the Door
Mar 11th, 2009
12:10:54 PM
This red world means more to me than your blue one.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
12:11:11 PM
Great review Massa
by exie
Mar 11th, 2009
12:11:21 PM
Should Have Been PG-13
by HermesTrismestigus
Mar 11th, 2009
12:13:22 PM
Snyder And Hayter Had The Superior Ending
by Media Messiah
Mar 11th, 2009
12:14:07 PM
OMG!
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
12:15:03 PM
Hayter is right about watching it twice.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
12:15:08 PM
Arteska: it's not a new thing
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
12:15:15 PM
OMG!
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
12:15:42 PM
"over-emphasize"
by Arteska
Mar 11th, 2009
12:20:57 PM
I've got 50 bucks that says...
by balls of steel
Mar 11th, 2009
12:21:24 PM
The comic and film are two different experiences.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
12:24:23 PM
"The squid was a trans-dimensional bomb"
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
12:25:07 PM
I don't think the arguing is new per se
by Arteska
Mar 11th, 2009
12:25:19 PM
Save the Squid!
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
12:26:59 PM
For Those Who Don't Understand The B.O. Numbers!!!
by Media Messiah
Mar 11th, 2009
12:28:34 PM
REVENGE_of_FETT
by Cap'n Jack
Mar 11th, 2009
12:29:54 PM
"No Stars"?
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
12:30:02 PM
The GN didn't even show the attack!
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
12:30:26 PM
I repeat (since no one has addressed it):
by jimmy_009
Mar 11th, 2009
12:31:30 PM
Very well written, sir
by DennisMM
Mar 11th, 2009
12:32:18 PM
Can we perhaps...like BOTH endings?
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
12:32:20 PM
$55M isn't that great
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
12:33:30 PM
Snyder only ever wanted to please the fans.
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
12:38:39 PM
WTF-RORSCHACH RIGHT WING!?!?!
by asdfasdf
Mar 11th, 2009
12:40:04 PM
Bubastis was a throwaway in the book too
by jimmy_009
Mar 11th, 2009
12:41:40 PM
BUT
by asdfasdf
Mar 11th, 2009
12:42:11 PM
I said I'd do this so here it is.
by gotilk
Mar 11th, 2009
12:42:50 PM
Rorshach makes snow angels? Really?
by halowiscious
Mar 11th, 2009
12:50:10 PM
ejaculating flame jet....
by Obscura
Mar 11th, 2009
12:51:22 PM
Dr. Manhatten before he is vaporized a second time
by onaps6453
Mar 11th, 2009
12:51:27 PM

by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon
Mar 11th, 2009
12:55:23 PM
Quick question about Watchmen GN:
by STLost
Mar 11th, 2009
12:57:25 PM
GN attack
by wcme
Mar 11th, 2009
12:57:55 PM
the squid would have worked
by 667
Mar 11th, 2009
12:58:43 PM
adiehardfanwithalethalweapon = moron
by Motoko Kusanagi
Mar 11th, 2009
01:00:37 PM
adiehardfanwithalethalweapon
by Obscura
Mar 11th, 2009
01:02:16 PM
re: the squid would have worked
by 667
Mar 11th, 2009
01:02:27 PM
the bodies weren't important
by 667
Mar 11th, 2009
01:05:57 PM
Let's just see it's 2nd weekend's take
by AzulTool
Mar 11th, 2009
01:09:08 PM
667
by smorgasbord
Mar 11th, 2009
01:10:09 PM
halowiscious
by gotilk
Mar 11th, 2009
01:10:10 PM
STLost: That's how I always took it
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
01:10:47 PM
QUESTION!
by onaps6453
Mar 11th, 2009
01:12:02 PM
onaps6453: I think she got it from a security guard
by chrth
Mar 11th, 2009
01:19:20 PM
Right..........
by Evangelion217
Mar 11th, 2009
01:21:32 PM
A change to the ending I haven't seen addressed...
by chiwrtr72
Mar 11th, 2009
01:21:44 PM
I feel kind of bad for people...
by Arteska
Mar 11th, 2009
01:21:53 PM
Oh, and the main problem with this film is that it's too short.
by Evangelion217
Mar 11th, 2009
01:24:40 PM
Zoothorn
by Evangelion217
Mar 11th, 2009
01:28:13 PM
Not "adult" enough? Really?
by maverick2484
Mar 11th, 2009
01:38:07 PM
a fair review, but Ive two major disagreements....
by RockLobster800
Mar 11th, 2009
01:39:15 PM
Jimmy 009
by Evangelion217
Mar 11th, 2009
01:39:46 PM
RockLobster800
by Evangelion217
Mar 11th, 2009
01:43:18 PM
ending in the book goes over lots of heads
by awepittance
Mar 11th, 2009
01:50:17 PM
Who said anything about B.O. = Quality?
by AzulTool
Mar 11th, 2009
01:50:26 PM
violence + sex does not = adult
by oisin5199
Mar 11th, 2009
01:51:27 PM
The Watchmen Violence Was Good
by thelordofhell
Mar 11th, 2009
01:53:46 PM
CGI shiny blood bubbles wtf
by awepittance
Mar 11th, 2009
01:55:46 PM
Ending(s)
by supertoyslast
Mar 11th, 2009
01:57:11 PM
Agree with you mostly, Massa.
by Lashlarue
Mar 11th, 2009
01:57:31 PM
So Snyder is in the same league as
by skimn
Mar 11th, 2009
01:57:57 PM
AVATAR NEWS! WHY IS THIS NO BEING REPORTED HERE?
by the_belligerent
Mar 11th, 2009
02:00:31 PM
Excellent analysis!
by Darth Thoth
Mar 11th, 2009
02:01:01 PM
The dumb
by ironsnake
Mar 11th, 2009
02:04:32 PM
I agree with Massa
by ballyhoo
Mar 11th, 2009
02:04:55 PM
idiot people
by ironsnake
Mar 11th, 2009
02:10:11 PM
probably one of the most creative 150million dollar movies ever
by awepittance
Mar 11th, 2009
02:10:34 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with you, Massa!
by Zardoz
Mar 11th, 2009
02:15:17 PM
asdfasdf
by oisin5199
Mar 11th, 2009
02:17:06 PM
Everything worked except
by Biffs_Pleasure_Paradise
Mar 11th, 2009
02:25:02 PM
Someone explain to me
by drewlicious
Mar 11th, 2009
02:37:56 PM
Massawyrm's review - on the money
by sevadro
Mar 11th, 2009
02:38:30 PM
Alright, Massawyrm. On Doctor Manhattan...
by PTSDPete
Mar 11th, 2009
02:41:11 PM
One question...
by Spark_A_Dark
Mar 11th, 2009
02:42:29 PM
Over the top violence?
by Tin Snoman
Mar 11th, 2009
02:47:30 PM
I used to like the ending.....
by Riley Martin
Mar 11th, 2009
02:53:49 PM
That being said
by PTSDPete
Mar 11th, 2009
02:53:54 PM
Movie was more crap then snap
by wowsucks
Mar 11th, 2009
02:56:39 PM
It's still slow as hell and boring and too long
by lockesbrokenleg
Mar 11th, 2009
02:57:06 PM
The Halleujah song should have played during the
by Joker Gordon Levitt
Mar 11th, 2009
03:08:12 PM
Massa's new pic
by shaft478
Mar 11th, 2009
03:09:46 PM
If you're opinion isn't exactly like mine:
by Darth Macchio
Mar 11th, 2009
03:17:35 PM
Just wanted to say
by Drunkfoxer
Mar 11th, 2009
03:31:09 PM
Manhattan becoming the enemy is perfect.
by alienindisguise
Mar 11th, 2009
03:37:27 PM
Manhattan as God Metaphor.
by micturatingbenjamin
Mar 11th, 2009
03:44:48 PM
Fuck off and Die Motoko Kusanagi
by Judge_Dredd
Mar 11th, 2009
03:45:11 PM
I saw this with a friend...
by Adelai Niska
Mar 11th, 2009
03:49:21 PM
Agree and Disagree
by Mooly
Mar 11th, 2009
03:51:26 PM
Oh man, Other FANTASTIC stuff in this movie...And Bubastis revea
by micturatingbenjamin
Mar 11th, 2009
03:52:24 PM
They butchered Rorschach!
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
03:53:18 PM
Best sequence of the film...
by Mrhazard
Mar 11th, 2009
03:54:54 PM
I've yet to see
by Cpt. Arnoldo
Mar 11th, 2009
03:56:37 PM
There is a SQUID in the movie...
by micturatingbenjamin
Mar 11th, 2009
03:57:15 PM
Would they have laughed?
by The Wolf at the Door
Mar 11th, 2009
03:58:42 PM
I actually was kinda mad the SQUID didnt make it...
by Mrhazard
Mar 11th, 2009
03:58:51 PM
Also, the Ultra-Violence missed the point
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
03:58:57 PM
Mooly...
by micturatingbenjamin
Mar 11th, 2009
03:59:30 PM
Rorschach's journal
by xbagboy
Mar 11th, 2009
04:03:38 PM
why does no one complain about CGI bubble shiny blood
by awepittance
Mar 11th, 2009
04:05:07 PM
I agree strongly with Massawyrms take on the ending
by SexyBeast
Mar 11th, 2009
04:06:15 PM
Massa was right about the ending
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
04:09:02 PM
maverick2484
by brokentusk
Mar 11th, 2009
04:10:56 PM
Also, the soundtrack was WRONG
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
04:12:50 PM
Thoughts
by Mattyboy122
Mar 11th, 2009
04:12:57 PM
wcme
by Anthrax
Mar 11th, 2009
04:14:15 PM
sorry mcspud
by smatt584
Mar 11th, 2009
04:17:08 PM
Hayter likened seeing this film
by Mattyboy122
Mar 11th, 2009
04:17:51 PM
And another thing...
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
04:20:07 PM
Adult does not equal splatter gore
by christian66
Mar 11th, 2009
04:31:56 PM
This film isbetter than it has any right to be...
by Specktron
Mar 11th, 2009
04:38:35 PM
This film is better than it has any right to be...
by Specktron
Mar 11th, 2009
04:38:40 PM
Deleted Scene: Nite Owl Beserk
by christian66
Mar 11th, 2009
04:38:52 PM
Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" Does NOT Fit
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
04:40:33 PM
bacci40... you actually timed the sex scene?
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
04:45:58 PM
Massawyrm, Moral Ambiguity does not equal "Adult".
by NoDiggity
Mar 11th, 2009
04:50:08 PM
Criticism aside
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
04:57:18 PM
Good one, Massy. Good points
by Alifemde
Mar 11th, 2009
05:14:31 PM
NoDiggity
by Massawyrm 1
Mar 11th, 2009
05:15:35 PM
I'm still not convinced I need to see this movie
by kirttrik
Mar 11th, 2009
05:19:02 PM
Massy, as long as you're around,
by The Wolf at the Door
Mar 11th, 2009
05:19:18 PM
moral ambiguity is the stuff of indie films.
by CreamCheeseAlchemist
Mar 11th, 2009
05:19:20 PM
Mattyboy...
by micturatingbenjamin
Mar 11th, 2009
05:31:00 PM
Something that could have been cut
by Immortal_Fish
Mar 11th, 2009
05:43:55 PM
good FX "squid" = better ending
by aroddy321
Mar 11th, 2009
05:47:31 PM
Hallelujiah
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
05:51:13 PM
as the doomsday clock reaches 5 to midnite
by martinlutherkrangjr
Mar 11th, 2009
05:59:38 PM
All Along the Watchtower
by Mattyboy122
Mar 11th, 2009
06:02:33 PM
Seen it thrice, and I'm fine with all of it
by cerb
Mar 11th, 2009
06:05:26 PM
The Vietnam/Pregnant Shooting Scene Was Important
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
06:07:31 PM
DONT YOU BASTARDS EVER COMPARE SNYDER TO MICHEAL BAY
by Phategod2
Mar 11th, 2009
06:10:25 PM
Alan Moore is a pompous ass.
by Grievey
Mar 11th, 2009
06:14:03 PM
jsarnold513
by Immortal_Fish
Mar 11th, 2009
06:16:35 PM
bad: a) makeup. b) sex scene c) music.
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
Mar 11th, 2009
06:26:16 PM
1, 2, 3---
by Sal_Bando
Mar 11th, 2009
06:27:41 PM
but do you know WHY snyder put watchtower there?
by knowthyself
Mar 11th, 2009
06:36:09 PM
solid snake himself says the film raped you all
by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers
Mar 11th, 2009
06:47:13 PM
Ending bits
by Steve T
Mar 11th, 2009
06:47:29 PM
What? Cthullu Monster or sex scene?
by jonsnow
Mar 11th, 2009
06:48:09 PM
The blue dong
by Donkey_Lasher
Mar 11th, 2009
07:03:22 PM
Audience obsessed with Blue Dong
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
07:13:13 PM
in a way, the lack of squid-as-animal
by CreamCheeseAlchemist
Mar 11th, 2009
07:13:42 PM
The best use of a song in the movie maybe missed by some people
by DDMAN26
Mar 11th, 2009
07:24:04 PM
Rorshach's death was better in the movie
by MattmanReturns
Mar 11th, 2009
07:24:42 PM
Rorshachs death
by Donkey_Lasher
Mar 11th, 2009
07:47:37 PM
Awepittance...
by djkris
Mar 11th, 2009
07:48:28 PM
It makes me think...
by Donkey_Lasher
Mar 11th, 2009
07:53:32 PM
MOVIE BETTER THAN BOOK...
by RONYYRON3000
Mar 11th, 2009
08:06:51 PM
Mooly...
by Lampers
Mar 11th, 2009
08:07:28 PM
Shut the fuck up about the ending!
by Jimbo_Spice
Mar 11th, 2009
08:34:41 PM
brokentusk
by maverick2484
Mar 11th, 2009
08:40:52 PM
Squid ending would have still implicated Manhattan
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Mar 11th, 2009
08:48:07 PM
Like 1000 9/11's?
by Odkin
Mar 11th, 2009
08:48:52 PM
Actually, the Squid ending DOESN'T HOLD UP.
by Warcraft
Mar 11th, 2009
09:13:10 PM
Massa is correct though we feared this BEFORE we saw it
by G100
Mar 11th, 2009
09:13:49 PM
Bacci40, I said they would TRY.
by Warcraft
Mar 11th, 2009
09:29:36 PM
The Manhattan Paradox
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
09:29:54 PM
Oh yeah, another thing, once they examined the Squid...
by Warcraft
Mar 11th, 2009
09:31:04 PM
Whether or not the world ultimately blamed the U.S. ...
by 3D-Man
Mar 11th, 2009
09:31:47 PM
Yes, the Squid dies but ...
by Shan
Mar 11th, 2009
09:38:42 PM
I also like how multiple targets are attacked...
by Warcraft
Mar 11th, 2009
09:39:50 PM
But that's my point shane, is everyone supposed...
by Warcraft
Mar 11th, 2009
09:42:25 PM
The squid was alive
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
09:47:04 PM
very heartfelt and very wrongheaded
by omarthesnake
Mar 11th, 2009
09:49:48 PM
I agree
by KevinMuller
Mar 11th, 2009
09:58:45 PM
GN ending
by Jimbo_Spice
Mar 11th, 2009
10:04:39 PM
On the ending...
by UltimaRex
Mar 11th, 2009
10:05:01 PM
Goode was awful
by jsarnold513
Mar 11th, 2009
10:06:18 PM
think about Fail Safe
by mojoman69
Mar 11th, 2009
10:09:16 PM
Sub Quantum Unified Intrinsic (Field) Device
by cripeman
Mar 11th, 2009
10:44:38 PM
The writers (Hayter and Tse's) perspective on changes.
by #1 Zero
Mar 11th, 2009
11:11:33 PM
"I DID IT!"
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 11th, 2009
11:15:47 PM
Rorschach is the the only hero? WRONG!
by GimpInMyPants
Mar 11th, 2009
11:26:28 PM
GimpInMyPants: Ozymandius Is The Only Hero...
by Media Messiah
Mar 12th, 2009
12:08:56 AM
The only problem/issue I had was...
by DS9Sisko
Mar 12th, 2009
12:34:48 AM
You almost nailed it for me
by boardbrtn
Mar 12th, 2009
12:37:54 AM
Why do so many people get "the squid" totally wrong?
by DS9Sisko
Mar 12th, 2009
12:54:48 AM
Uri Geller and the Squid
by blakindigo
Mar 12th, 2009
01:04:36 AM
Immortal_Fish
by blakindigo
Mar 12th, 2009
01:12:22 AM
it is ludicrous to call this one of the best films of the decade
by Jack D. Ripper
Mar 12th, 2009
01:34:59 AM
Respectfully Disagree
by persona1138
Mar 12th, 2009
01:50:02 AM
Great review
by TheDark0Knight
Mar 12th, 2009
03:27:48 AM
Well, I disagree, Massa.
by MonkeyLord
Mar 12th, 2009
04:28:54 AM
Overrated fucking shit
by Lost Jarv
Mar 12th, 2009
04:42:15 AM
Massa, that film has way bigger problems than the ending
by zapano
Mar 12th, 2009
06:27:57 AM
"Blade Runner's influence is immense and was truly original."
by Massawyrm 1
Mar 12th, 2009
06:29:54 AM
Blade Runner
by SutterCane
Mar 12th, 2009
06:54:04 AM
Ridley created from the book, Snyder reproduced
by zapano
Mar 12th, 2009
06:55:36 AM
come on,
by smorgasbord
Mar 12th, 2009
07:00:13 AM
FUCK MY EYES.
by neverhed
Mar 12th, 2009
07:28:49 AM
So what if people would've laughed at squid?
by Montag666
Mar 12th, 2009
08:16:34 AM
New Rule
by Montag666
Mar 12th, 2009
08:19:32 AM
Movies are timeless, Critics are not
by scififan9009
Mar 12th, 2009
08:30:32 AM
Tedious, endless, dishonest
by Mgmax
Mar 12th, 2009
09:38:30 AM
"Squid" Ignorance
by Mooly
Mar 12th, 2009
09:45:29 AM
Sherman!!!
by richievanderlow
Mar 12th, 2009
10:04:34 AM
Mooly, this is what I see as the difference
by The Wolf at the Door
Mar 12th, 2009
10:11:57 AM
People laughing at the squid...
by Darth Macchio
Mar 12th, 2009
10:29:02 AM
Some thoughts on evaluating adaptations
by UweBollocks
Mar 12th, 2009
10:40:05 AM
The ending?
by ufoclub1977
Mar 12th, 2009
10:43:29 AM
You Da Man!
by Homer Sexual
Mar 12th, 2009
10:44:56 AM
On Blade Runner and Watchmen
by RipVanMarlowe
Mar 12th, 2009
10:45:28 AM
The whole Alan Moore thing
by skimn
Mar 12th, 2009
10:56:25 AM
I like it that Dan cares
by zooch
Mar 12th, 2009
10:59:24 AM
Great Review
by DoctorWhen
Mar 12th, 2009
11:19:36 AM
Global warming is the new Squid!!!
by thebearovingian
Mar 12th, 2009
12:05:32 PM
Darth Machio
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 12th, 2009
12:20:09 PM
I TOTALLY AGREE
by Weapon M
Mar 12th, 2009
12:27:54 PM
You people are fucking ridiculous.
by REVENGE_of_FETT
Mar 12th, 2009
12:34:37 PM
Open letter from David Hayter
by zer0cool2k2
Mar 12th, 2009
12:46:06 PM
Oh, please!
by JacksParasites
Mar 12th, 2009
01:00:32 PM
For real?
by jakitawagner
Mar 12th, 2009
01:37:58 PM
jakitawagner
by richievanderlow
Mar 12th, 2009
01:50:21 PM
Garth Ennis is brilliant --
by blakindigo
Mar 12th, 2009
01:56:48 PM
Revenge of Fett: that's not exactly what I said...
by Darth Macchio
Mar 12th, 2009
01:57:34 PM
And the laugh-out-loud quote of the day goes to...
by Mattyboy122
Mar 12th, 2009
02:23:23 PM
jakitawagner
by spud mcspud
Mar 12th, 2009
02:25:15 PM
Darth Brooks
by Ebolarama
Mar 12th, 2009
02:28:59 PM
RipVanMarlowe
by spud mcspud
Mar 12th, 2009
02:31:35 PM
Spud Mcspud
by RipVanMarlowe
Mar 12th, 2009
02:34:13 PM
And about Blade Runner
by Mattyboy122
Mar 12th, 2009
02:34:35 PM
Anybody like both endings?
by TheLastCleric
Mar 12th, 2009
02:43:09 PM
thelastcleric
by richievanderlow
Mar 12th, 2009
02:47:36 PM
"I Did It!"
by jsarnold513
Mar 12th, 2009
03:39:57 PM
Typical fanboy nitpickery
by Wee Willie
Mar 12th, 2009
03:58:25 PM
Agree - Ok, MAYBE not a squid
by Picasso5
Mar 12th, 2009
04:14:40 PM
Max Headroom as Moloch...
by richievanderlow
Mar 12th, 2009
04:43:46 PM
I just saw it again, did anybody else notice...
by brokentusk
Mar 12th, 2009
05:38:51 PM
Just found this on IMDB:
by brokentusk
Mar 12th, 2009
05:42:43 PM
The one thing that strikes me....
by MonkeyLord
Mar 12th, 2009
06:21:58 PM

by jakitawagner
Mar 12th, 2009
06:37:32 PM
ONCE AGAIN: "The Squid" Does Not Just Come Out of Nowhere
by DS9Sisko
Mar 12th, 2009
07:57:51 PM
DS9Sisko
by pdennett316
Mar 12th, 2009
08:51:50 PM
PDENNETT316
by DS9Sisko
Mar 13th, 2009
01:00:32 AM
Endings Versus Meanings
by yiannis
Mar 13th, 2009
02:59:35 AM
Snyder is a serious talent.
by TheLastCleric
Mar 13th, 2009
11:51:26 AM
my thoughts are this
by The Amazing G
Mar 14th, 2009
08:06:22 AM
Dr. Manhattan's
by moviemo
Mar 15th, 2009
02:34:05 AM
actually
by moviemo
Mar 15th, 2009
02:34:48 AM
Ummmm...that's it?
by WizardandGlass
Mar 15th, 2009
11:01:57 PM
movie was both
by maitlanr
Mar 16th, 2009
01:37:00 AM
"This is way the Watchmen ends.
by JackRabbitSlim
Mar 24th, 2009
05:51:54 AM

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