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Must-Read Of The Day: The 1978 RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK Story Conference Transcript!!!

Beaks here...

Kudos to Mystery Man on Film for fucking with my productivity. A moment ago, I was tearing through my review for THE HANGOVER (and this is a big deal because I've been blocked up worse than Hollis P. Wood). Now, I'm poring over 126 pages of the five-day 1978 conversation between George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Lawrence Kasdan that resulted in the birth of an archaeologist adventurer named Indiana Jones. And since that's going to delay the delivery of my review by several hours, I figured I'd completely derail your workday as well! As Slashfilm's Peter Sciretta reminds us, scraps of this monumental story conference were included in last year's innocuously dishy THE COMPLETE MAKING OF INDIANA JONES. Flipping through that book back then, it didn't occur to me that someone would eventually make available the entire transcript because... well, transparency isn't exactly Lucas's or Spielberg's thing. Sure, they'll let slip a few tantalizing details to Laurent Bouzereau for those two-hour making-of documentaries, but, for the most part, they prefer to keep the kitchen doors welded shut. The sudden appearance of this transcript is uncharacteristic, which suggests that a) it's an unofficial leak, b) it'll piss off Lucas and Spielberg, and c) it'll disappear soon. So head over to Mystery Man on Film immediately and download this sucker before it (likely) gets C&D'd off the internet. And if you flat-out do not have the time to read this today, then at least scroll down to the excerpts posted to Mystery Man's blog, where, among other revelations, you'll find that Lucas literally had the art of storytelling down to a science. Where was that guy ten years ago? Just in case you're wavering, here's the opening page of the transcript to seal the deal. Enjoy. And thank you Mystery Man - and Peter - for wrecking my day!
G -- We'll just talk general ideas, what the concept of it was. Then I'll get down to going specifically through the story. Then we will actually get to where we can start talking down scenes, in the end I want to end up with a list of scenes. And the way 1 work generally is, I figure a code, a general measuring stick perameter. I can either come up with thirty scenes or sixty scenes depending on which scale you, want to work on. A thirty scene thing means that each scene is going to be around four pages long. A sixty one means that every scene is going to run twenty pages long. (?) It depends on, part of it is the... (short gap in the tape) knock some of these out, and this doesn't work out the way we thought it would. You can move things around, but it generally gives you an idea, assuming that what we really want at the end of all this is a hundred and twenty page script, or less. But that's where we really want to go. Then we figure out vaguely what the pace of, how fast it's going to move and how we're going to do it. I have a tendency to work rather mathematically about all this stuff. I found it easier and it does lay things out. Especially a thing like this. The basic premise is that it's sort of a serialesque kind of movie. Meaning that there are certain things that have to continue to happen. It's also basically an action piece, for the most part. We want to keep things interspaced and at the same time build it. As I build this up, you'll see it's done vaguely by the numbers. Generally, the concept is a serial idea. Done like the Republic serials. As a thirties serial. Which is where a lot of stuff comes from anyway. One of the main ideas was to have, depending on whether it would be every ten minutes or every twenty minutes, a sort of a cliffhanger situation that we get our hero into. If it's every ten minutes we do it twelve times. I think that may be a little much. Six times is plenty. S -- And each cliffhanger is better than the one before. G -- (Pause) Actually, Steve, I thought we'd try a diminishing returns thing because I really hate making money. What, Larry? L -- You guys ever been to the Grand Canyon?

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  • March 9, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Now THIS is some cool fucking news

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

  • March 9, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    No, it isn't cool news.

    by LordPorkington

    And yes, I'm in a grumpy mood today. Fool.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    where are the aliens?

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    and what about the squid!

  • March 9, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    maybe not NEWS but definitely cool

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    If you're not a cocksucker like Lord Fuckington.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST


    by Jonas Grumpy

    As in "go forth and read."

  • March 9, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Done and downloaded...

    by ShogunMaster

    I remember seeing Raiders as a kid and thinking, they can't possibly ruin a premise this great. Apparently Santa doesn't exist either...

  • March 9, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by Pogue__Mahone

    This is awesome! Aaaaannnnd nothing else will get done for the next little while!

  • March 9, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Chariots of the Gods

    by Acquanetta

    It's quite ironic to discover that Chariots of the Gods (along with Erich Von Daniken) was a major influence on Raiders as well. I'm actually beginning to think both the transcript and Darabont script were released by Lucas himself. Why? Because he comes off looking pretty good after reading both. The most startling revelation here is that Raiders was almost entirely Lucas' baby. He was the one that kept it grounded in believability, while Spielberg's main contributions were silly gags and over-the-top stunts. It definitely turns the "Lucas was responsible for everything bad in Indy 4" theory on its head.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    The Staff of Rod?

    by lockesbrokenleg


  • March 9, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I was hoping they would publish this officially

    by Tacom

    But it's cool to see it anyway!

  • March 9, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    What's cool...

    by Kal Reeve

    Is that Spielberg and Lucas seem to be sitting around, talking like a couple of uber film geeks.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    "not a supported file format or error in attachment"

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    and Im using the latest adobe acrobat reader. need alt site.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Thanks a bunch!

    by Pizza The Hut

    You da man.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Re: where are the aliens?

    by Acquanetta

    They're present- in the form of flying saucers and Daniken's theory that the Ark was of extraterrestrial origin. In fact, you can already see the genesis of all four Indy films in the transcript. Lucas clearly envisioned the character as someone who could cross over into other genres. He spends a great deal of time discussing Indy's potential for dealing with the supernatural and occult.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    "Too bad the Hovitos don't know you the way I do, Belloq."

    by Finding Forrestal

    "Yes, too bad. You could warn them... if only you spoke Hovitos!"

  • March 9, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I only call people 'fool'...

    by LordPorkington

    To trick them into changing my name into a witty slur. Well done sir. And now that I've been cheered up, and therefore feeling grumpy, this story seems a little cooler now. Thanks Klytus_You_Cunt!

  • March 9, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I'd be MORE interested in...

    by cowtrout

    The story behind Temple of Doom and the darker angle added.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Two Transcripts!

    by mrbeaks

    There's a Kasdan/Philip Kaufman/Debbie Fine conference tacked on at the bottom!

  • March 9, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    This is TERRIFIC

    by mefrog

    I'm reading this right now. THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS BEAKS.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Any chance we'll see the INDY 4 Story Conference Transcript?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You know, the one where George is high and Spielberg is asleep?

  • March 9, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    The IS cool news!

    by slone13

    Raiders really is the best move ever made. No room for discussion.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    "Sorry, the free service is at full capacity. "

    by Evil_75

    Anyone else getting this?

  • March 9, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Thanks so much for this, Beaks...

    by JackLucas

    I, too was pouring away at some writing and came out of the room to grab a drink and see if there was anything new. This is definitely very cool. Thanks so much!

  • March 9, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    "This is where Forrestal cashed in."

    by Finding Forrestal

    "A friend of yours?"<p>"Competitor. He was good, he was very, very good."</p>

  • March 9, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Cool news, indeed.

    by Finding Forrestal

    Fuck it, I'm watching "Raiders."

  • March 9, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    "Sorry, the free service is at full capacity. "

    by emteem

    I got it once Evil75, but then after the countdown I was able to download it my second try.

  • March 9, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    INDIANA SMITH starring Tom Selleck

    by Monkey_King

    it coulda happened.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Man, remember the 70s...

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Where Battlestar Galactica sucked but Lucas could do no wrong? Who'da thought we'd live in a world where Lucas can't stop sucking and Battlestar Galactica is one of the best things on TV?

  • March 9, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    "Sorry, the free service is at full capacity. "

    by Evil Hobbit

    Got it to, mirror time boys!

  • March 9, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST


    by Evil_75

    Got it on my tenth try, give or take. Funnily enough it started working right after I read your post. The Force is strong with this one... :)

  • March 9, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Or pay six bucks for a week Sendspace Max

    by Tacom

  • March 9, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Nothing about a fridge in there???

    by robotdevil

    Right up at the top Lucas talks about how it has to be serious... like the Man with No Name movies... he even thinks James Bond is maybe too goofy for tone. That's one of the biggest flaws in Crystal Skull... they completely neglected this part of the formula.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    In before

    by Arteska

    revisionist internet-fueled Lucashate. Thanks for the link Beaks.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Lucas should take some advice from Rorschach...

    by Finding Forrestal

    "Never compromise. Not even in the face of diminishing returns."

  • March 9, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Lucas was clearly the brains behind the operation...

    by fassbinder79

    Give credit where credit is due people. I'm a HUGE fan of the Republic serials too. Amazing stuff!

  • March 9, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST


    by Finding Forrestal

    You're right about how well Lucas comes off in this transcript. Spielberg could hardly get a word in edgewise!

  • March 9, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I think actually George Luca$ is the blogger

    by theplant

    the one linked here... it's George Luca$ blog.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    ok here's the pitch

    by son_of_ebert

    Jar Jar Binks ends up back on Naboo after the clone wars.. and goes underground (underwater?) as an archaeologist seeking ancient jedi artifacts to sell to the empire..

  • March 9, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Scriptgirl just announced Ford to star in Apocalypse Now.

    by brock landers baby

    She said it'll be some Vietnam film or something.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    KUDOS to Beaks !

    by MattHooper

    For on this day in history, being the golden god of screenwriters everywhere ! Nuthin but Luv for YA !

  • March 9, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST


    by Gabba-UK

    that's going to put the cat among the pigeons...

  • March 9, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    "This IS history."

    by IndyCollector

  • March 9, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Indy4 ripped of Dark Crystal!

    by catlettuce4

    I just watched The Dark Crystal for the first time since I was a kid & (apart from it being a lot more shithouse than I remember)the ending with the aliens & the crystal gathered round in a circle was spookily similar to the ending of Indy4. Apart from the FX, they were better in DC.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    try 'off' catlettuce4 you dickhead...

    by catlettuce4

  • March 9, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST


    by Fawst

    I haven't even read the transcript yet. I just got through reading the 10 points that MM came up with. That was pretty brilliant on its own! I think if anything will help an aspiring writer, reading this transcript and truly digesting it is going to help a lot.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Lol, Lucas pwnd the Beard.

    by FilmZ0mbie

    The second page: G- First of all, who gives a fuck about the Grand Canyon? and second, either say something constructive or shut the fuck up Steve.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Spielberg sounds like child.

    by cossack_says_die

    That man wanted the movie to be all camp. I can't believe how rational Lucas sounds in this. It really makes me wander as to what the fuck happened with Indy 4.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Indy 4 was just lazy

    by lockesbrokenleg

    19 years is too long to come up with a decent story.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    If this is not a hoax

    by Nizzuts

    then this is a cool piece of movie history...if it is some kind of hoax, then I'm an idiot for reading for the last hour. Raiders of the Lost Ark is still, in my opinion, Lucas' best idea.

  • March 9, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Pretty Tight

    by Autodidact

    Now that is some print-worthy content!

  • March 9, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Jesus. Lucas is clearly a case of...

    by Davidia

    creativity and angst being lost and replaced with the fluff of old age. Just read his words in this and you can clearly see he was a storytelling genius. Years later, he has conferences of Episode 1, now I'd like to read THOSE transcripts, and see how much of his bravado he lost in those 20 something years. What a waste.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    catlettuce4 - Dont forget Mission to Mars

    by mr sulu

    the end to that was a bit similar to KOTCS<P> btw i havent seen Dark Crystal since 1982 and cant remember too much about it but dont recall any aliens at the end?...then again i was probably sat there watching it in the cinema not giving it my full attention as id have been still in awe or in anticipation of seeing WRATH OF KHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAN!! FUCK YEAH!!...sittin there..thinkin bout 'Admiral' Kirk kicking KHHHHHHAAAANs BOO-TAY all over the cosmos!...Wondering if Spock was gonna make it or still in shock at his death....<p> i know there was stuff like Blade Runner, Thing out that year but who knew theyd be classics in yeras to come - besides i was too young to see them...82 was all bout KHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAN and fuckin E fuckin T...fuck dat shit! E fuckin' T!! PAH LOL...KHHHHHHHHAAAAN shat all over that walking turd<p> man all mighty the new Treks got some way to go to beat KHHHHHHHAN...but that trailer looked F U C K I N G awesome and whats more, everyone fuckin knows it!

  • March 9, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Has anyone...

    by Harold-Sherbort

    ..had any problems with their computer after they click the link on the website? I want to read it, but I don't want to risk getting a virus!!

  • March 9, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    this is brilliant! a real insight into the creative process

    by zapano

    it would be pretty interesting to read a indy 4 comparison

  • March 9, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Now THIS...

    by Rando Calrisian

    Is some cool shit. I'm going to read this right now. Awesome, Beaks - thanks.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    oh yeah there was Mad Max 2 also out in 82

    by mr sulu

    but again...i was too fuckin young to see dat...<p> anyway regarding this Raiders shows taht Indy was really Lucas' creation...<p>

  • March 9, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Too bad the Indy legacy was fucked last year.

    by disfigurehead

  • March 9, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    was this leaked to restore Lucas' reputation? of course not

    by zapano

    but still stranger things have happened

  • March 9, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    mr sulu

    by catlettuce4

    They weren't actual aliens just an amalgam of the scary vulture dudes & the stoned sloth dudes once the androgynous fairy dudes shined them with a crystal... (or something like that after 2 beers, a glass of red wine & about 3 joints).

  • March 9, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Does Anybody know about the Urban Legend...

    by zinc_chameleon

    That 'Raiders' was intended to be a comeback vehicle for Elvis, and that it was discussed by Speilberg and Lucas before Elvis' death? I dimly remember something about an Elvis comeback that Speilberg had in mind, but I lost track of that in the late 80s.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    very cool...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Link is overloaded, as to be expected. Hope I can get it before it dissapears or I forget. The above excerpt is funny too. Spielberg: "I like Snow Cones. I think it would be good if the movie has an ending and maybe something happens for 120 minutes before that. What do you think George?"

  • March 9, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by mr sulu

    The dude GOT THE ROLE!...he was Spielberg and Lucas' choice for Indy!...they CAST him as Indy!!....Ford was SECOND choice when Selleck wasnt allowed to film Raiders as Magnum had been picked up and he decided it was best to honour his contract!! (It turned out that the shooting of the pilot for Magnum, P.I was delayed for over 6 months, which would have enabled Selleck to complete the role of Indiana Jones. Ironically, while waiting in Hawaii for Magnum to commence filming, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas were also in Hawaii to shoot scenes for Raiders)....<p> i do think SELLECK would have been just as good as Ford though...its possible that if Selleck had been Indy then hed have had Fords career and been in Blade Runner and Fugitive and stuff like that and maybe Ford would be like Mark Hammil..<p> Selleck ended up doing Indy knock off High Road to China and Blade Runner wannabe Runaway...<p> would be funny if it was revealed ford had grown that tashe he had a few months ago for a big budget Magnum movie...i guess thatd be the final straw and Selleck would probably call round Fords house WITH a magnum if that happened...'"YO FORD..YOU AT HOME?! I GOT SOMETHIN FOR YA MOTHERFUCKER!!" *BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!! BLAM!!* *click* *click* *click*....*reloads*..."MOTHERFUCCCCCCCCCCCKERRRR!! *BLAM! BLAM!* etcetc"

  • March 9, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Fascinating Stuff

    by Kief_Ledger

    If this is a hoax I'll be very upset

  • March 9, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    zinc_chameleon...Dats the craziest shit ive ever heard!!

    by mr sulu

    but maybe its true~?? They opened Crystal Skull with a nice Elvis number right

  • March 9, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Fine work, all concerned.

    by palimpsest

    That is all.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    "What we're just doing here, really, is designing a ride at Disn

    by zacdilone

    And so they did. Best ride at Disneyland, in fact.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Ah, but Selleck gave us HIGH ROAD TO CHINA.

    by palimpsest

    Ah. I see your point...

  • March 9, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    very very cool

    by T 1000 xp professional

    nice beaks... nice.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by mr sulu

  • March 9, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Pg. 9 "..a very modest scale"

    by JoeSixPack

    Lmao, I got to page 9 and came across Lucas saying he tried to keep the movie on "a very modest scale". I wish they would have gone back to this transcript when they were coming up with ideas for Indy IV.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Fucking awesome! Sometimes the story behind the idea...

    by IAmJack'sUserID just as interesting as the ideas. As one of the biggest Indy fans on the planet, this will be a great read!

  • March 9, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    Can't wait to read this.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Thank you AICN for this..

    by Alfred_Packer

    Downloaded and will print it out at work tomorrow.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Oh and I love Crystal Skull...

    by Alfred_Packer

    ...most watched Blu-Ray in the house....and the other 3 are coming out on BR by Christmas!

  • March 9, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Alfred - i gonna tell your boss

    by mr sulu

    you are priniting out a 126 page document on Raiders of the Lost sure hell understand...: 'hey alfred...hows it going...listen..ahh ive just been ahh notified you printed out a 126 page doc on Indiana Jones....yeeeah ah I'm gonna have to go ahead and give you a warning for that...yeeeeeah...ok buddy oh and i almost gonna have to ask you to come in on sunday too...yeeeeah'

  • March 9, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    The boss will want a copy too...

    by Alfred_Packer

    But he'll probably kindle it or something...

  • March 9, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Snakes aren't slimy..

    by Alfred_Packer

    You know I'm an Indy 4 apologist when I think the worst thing in the movie is Mutt saying the snake is slimy. Screw the snake...Ox, take that serape off and throw me one end of it before I go all Bert Lahr again..."Maybe I can touch the bootttomm"

  • March 9, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Indy 4 sucked because of Shia

    by Kief_Ledger

    Holy Jesus Christ do I hate that kid. I watched Eagle Eye last weekend and not only does that little shit do nothing but bitch the whole time, but he's got a very punchable face and an annoying voice. And the movie sucked too. The only good parts were Rosario Dawson and Michelle Monaghan

  • March 9, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Are we still hating on Shia?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He's a decent actor.

  • March 9, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    What part did they mention Tarzan Shia?

    by Sal_Bando

    And the Fonzie chimps? Gotta have them there Fonzie chimps-

  • March 9, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Episode 1 transcripts released!

    by Davidia

    G- Alright, so I tend to take a very mathmatical and precise approach to setting up my narratives. So I think first and foremost for these prequels to be relevant we need a plunky Jamaican side-kick with a reptilian complexion and floppy ears.

  • March 9, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST


    by Pistachio_Wildebeest

    Truly fascinating. Concept explosion. <p>Interesting how many of the more wacky ideas are Spielbergs and Lucas grounds it in reality. Also interesting, how many ideas crop up in Temple and Crusade. <p>If only the same Lucas who was in this meeting showed up for the sequels.

  • March 9, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by Rufferto

    No mention of CGI gophers?I Am greatly disappointed.This movie needs to be remastered with Ewoks.

  • March 9, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Who transcribed this?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Can we get the VHS tape?

  • March 9, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    is this kind of conference always transcribed?

    by illegaltouching

    it's almost like a lucas propaganda piece. why was he so eager to collaborate when he had so many ideas, yet so closed off when he was creatively bankrupt?

  • March 9, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    i didnt think shia was terrible in indy 4

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    but i thought the monkeys, aliens, ants, continuous falling off waterfalls, gophers, villian, bad awful cg and climax were terrible. oh and the fridge scene.

  • March 9, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom was a racist

    by ominus

    movie.Spielberg and Lucas should be ashamed of it.that is,if they had a heart,instead of a wallet in its place..

  • March 9, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Must-Read of the Day?

    by User EGO

    More like Must-Read of the year!!

  • March 9, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Ahhh...Indy rides the U-Boat's periscope...


    that part of Raiders always bugged me as a kid. They never explained how Indy was able to survive on the Nazi U-boat to the Greek Isle. Apparently, he hangs on to the periscope and the sub never fully submerges.

  • March 9, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    cenobite the same thing bugs me

    by ominus

    ok the submarine,never goes deep into the see,but it doesnt do this. at that time,the mediteranean sea wasnt a very safe place,to just travel in the open see like that.

  • March 9, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    erm mistype

    by ominus

    but it doesnt do this.= why does it do this?

  • March 9, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Indy 4 Was Great

    by genrefanboy

    Whats wrong with you guys. It was a great movie captured the period very well and did everything that could be expected of it. Ford showed he will always be Indy. Some of Ford's acting could have been filmed with Indy3 if he had dyed his hair (Spielberg asked Ford to dye his hair but he refused!). Most of the things people bitch about in Indy4 were Spielberg's ideas not Lucas's!! The monkeys, shia & the fridge were all pure Spielberg not Lucas at all. Indy4 was also the biggest worldwide movie last year outside the US it was no1 and bigger than TDK as international audiences are less critical.

  • March 9, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Let's have them eat lots of bugs!

    by lockesbrokenleg


  • March 9, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Flying saucers in Raiders...?


    So the original idea for the Arc was that it's power came from or was a 'radio antenna' to one of "Eric Von Danken's Flying Saucers". Heh... heh... heh...

  • March 9, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    the problem with indy 4

    by ominus

    was that the story wasnt told right.personally i didnt have problem with the aliens,the ants,even shia.after all indy is a pulp fiction hero. <p>the problem with the movie,was that it didnt tell the story had good ideas but they werent incorporated very well into the story.too many characters,too many unnessecary scenes,the plot was nonexistent,etc etc i wish lucas had chosen daramonts script,instead of his was way better.

  • March 9, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    George Lucas: Needs more aliens....

    by TheWaqman

  • March 9, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    George Lucas: Lets call him Zeeplex Kajagoo

    by TheWaqman

  • March 9, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    The further you get from Indy IV's release hype

    by Liberty Valance

    The better it gets. Seen it 3 times now and each time I've enjoyed it a little more. I'll concede the fridge and monkey swing orgy were lame and Mac's character sould have been fleshed out more, but the rest is pure Indy. And by "pure Indy," I mean a giant fuckload of adventurous fun.

  • March 9, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    how old is indy in the film?

    by ominus


  • March 9, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Lucas= Great Set Pieces, Spielberg=Comic relief, Kasdan=Characte


    That's what I'm getting out of this. These 3 guys help balance out each other perfectly. Lucas has some of the amazing set pieces and ideas, however he isn't always on the money with character development. Kasdan always pulls out some great character ideas. And Spielberg? Wow, he's just "out there" with some goofy ideas. Now I can see why SW:EP 1-3 were just a series of brilliant set pieces w/o any good character development, or how Indy 4 had so many goofy elements.

  • March 9, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    There isn't a problem with any Indy film

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The problem is the purists and fanboys who pull a story out of their ass.

  • March 9, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    So jar-jar binks was spielbergs idea?

    by ominus

    i dont think so...

  • March 9, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    So Marion was 15 and Indy was 25?

    by Barrymore Yorke

    Things were different back last century!

  • March 9, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Lucas propaganda piece....

    by TheWaqman

    "See guys! I had ideas! It wasn't always about Jar Jar Binks and Little Annie!"

  • March 9, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Lucas propaganda piece....

    by TheWaqman

    "Look guys! It wasn't always about Jar Jar Binks and Little Annie! You see!"

  • March 9, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Double post! Fuck! My bad guys.

    by TheWaqman

  • March 9, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Aw, damn. Link to the pdf doesn't work.

    by Orbots Commander

    I think they must have received a 'seize and desist' from Lucasfilm.

  • March 9, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    I never understood the Indy 4 hate...

    by mr sulu

    I dont understand the hate for whats easily the best of the indy sequels (imo) much so it gets ignored by the oscars (shouldnt it have been been at least nomiated for FX? - the saucer coming out the ground looked amazing) and gets a razzie for worst sequel! <p> As a total SF/indy/50s/movie geek i consider it the 2nd best indy film after Raiders (nothing can top Raiders as its a classic..but id put Skull before Crusade then Doom) loved that it was sci fi and set in the 50s as a throw back to all those great alien 'b' movies of the all the 50s stuff as i love that era - Elvis opening, Brando Wild One homage, the diner, red/commie paranoia, the bomb, Soviet villians etc all the homages to the previous Indys - The Ark, Michaelson, Connery pic, well as homages to previous movies in the cast/crew resume - Fords white T shirt interrogation, 'knife to a gunfight' (ok thats connery but he was sorta in this spiritually), the diner fight and chase in the streets (maybe the fridge escape was another BTTF 'homage' for the ubergeeks), aliens with elongated heads messing up John Hurt again... <p> The Area 51/Doom Town opening was great (the way indy and the Pat Roach replacement crash onto that jet engine and the red digital countdown starts before blasting out really brought home that Indy was being blasted into the 'modern' age - this is not the 30s in the house with all the mannaquins was really eerie - like something out of Twilight Zone) and the last 20 minutes or so from the nicely gruesome ant attack when they get into the caves was classic Indy and had me on the edge of my seat - it was totally mysterious and near Twilight Zonesque (on a massive epic scale)..i know other films have done the whole chariot of the gods stuff (AvP for one) but the way they did it with this was just flawless - the paintings on the walls 'someone came...', the massive hidden 'landing site' with the strange looking obelisk (revealed at the end to be the center of the saucer), the weird otherworldly way the doors to 'the room' opened, the williams music in those scenes (was that the WOTW tripod music when they are figuring out the obelisk?), the sinister look and feel of the skeletons, indys fear (nice star wars line), the way the room broke away to reveal the metallic underneath, the soviets being sucked into the other dimention along with Blancetts disintergration (they may have helped the mayans with knowledge but they were not ET/CE3K friendly!!) .....and then the final reveal of the 1950s style Flying Saucer thats been buried underground for THOUSANDS of years ('Thing From Another World' homage?)...coming up from under all that luscious green in the middle of the uncharted jungle (another iconic Indy image along with the mushroom cloud at the start)...then the boulders crashing down with bombastic Williams score 'like a broom to their footsteps' (the score when it starts to break out was like something out of 2001).... it was all pretty unnerving and tapped into the imagination like the last 20 mins or so of Raiders. <p> If i have any criticisms of it its only this - maybe the fact it was aliens (yeah yeah I know 'inter dimensional beings'…theyre still aliens) should have remained a little more ambiguous until the last scenes in 'the room' (like they did with the ark in Raiders - we werent sure it was totally genuine until the end lid lift)…what with the Roswell charred remains revealed in the campsite....but then again it could be argued that Indys scepticism of it being aliens remained until right at the end and that rubbed off on the audience…and it wasn't exactly 100% clear that it was aliens until the end. <p> IMO people that hate on indy 4 due to the CG gophers/monkeys, nuked fridge etc are sort of missing the bigger picture - it managed to tap into the imagination, building up to an awesome exposition filled finale in a similar way to Raiders and Crusade (Doom with its fairly uninteresting Shankara Stones was always abit more of an action movie finale)......and in a way i kinda like that the majority consider it a major disappointment and worship TDK makes Skull feel abit more special for those who really liked it... ok coherent rant over...back to the mothfocking good times

  • March 9, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Fate of Atlantis the adventure game

    by ominus

    they should have made that into a movie.great story,and surely it has influenced some story elements like the aliens in the indy 4 movie.

  • March 9, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Fate of Atlantis

    by Charlie_Allnut

    Yeah that was a frickin great game! It really captured everything about the Indy movies...if they do make another movie I'd like to see them adapt Fate of Atlantis...

  • March 9, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    OMG this is the BEST

    by dioxholster

    Thing that happened on this site EVAR! this tops BALE!!! omg omg omg! okay calm down man, calm the hell down. THIS IS AWESOME STUFF!!! NOW I CAN DIE HAPPY!

  • March 9, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Erich von Däniken

    by sanzaru

    The History Channel had another fun documentary riffing on Chariots of the Gods over the weekend. Däniken's crazy-eyed enthusiasm paired with the subject matter seems readymade for biopic territory, maybe with a plumped-up Tarantino or Randy Quaid/Cousin Eddie doing the Swiss accent bit...uh, anyway- thanks for the transcript!!!

  • March 9, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    There should be TWO Indy trilogies by now....

    by mr sulu

    its a shame Indy 4 wasnt made 10 years ago in 1997/98 (Lucas couldve still worked on it as well as his SW prequels like he did with Indy and SW in the early 80s) although he both pulled it off no problem, if it had been around then Ford wouldve looked good in his mid 50s with the brown hair (Air Force One, Devils Own) <P> plus if it had come out then, maybe it would set them off on making more (like there is talk of Indy 5 now...but imo its very unlikly due to Fords age) and wed all have the 2 Indy trilogies on our dvd shelves by now.....e.g. Indy 4 in 98...Indy 5 in 2003 (Atlantis?)...Indy 6 = 2008 (hell hole of siberia? spear of destiny?) fact maybe they wouldnt have had to do 'Skull' in 98 as there was alot of alien films out around then - ID4, X Files, Mars Attacks, MiB etc...but then again maybe that wouldve been an ideal time to release it... <p> im sure Ford wouldve much prefered to do some Indys over duds like Devils Own in 97 (an IRA thriller..yeeeeah always a sure fire thing) ...and K19/Hollywood Homicide in 2002/ i bet Spielberg wouldve prefered doing some extra Indy instead of misfires like Lost World/Amistad (1997/98)...and AI (2001) <p> also Perhaps doing Indys throughout the late 90s/early 00s wouldve prevented Lucas from being too hands on/having too much control on the SW prequels as maybe he wouldnt have directed Episodes 2 and 3 (or even Ep 1) like what happened with the original trilogy..and as a result maybe the likes of Fincher or Scott or Cameron or Jackson could have directed...even Spielberg if he could have managed doing SW and Indys back to back (hes done the one/two punch a few times - JP/Schindlers..Lost World/Amistad...WOTW/Munich) fairly certain any big name director would jumped at the chance to direct one of the films thats a prequel to the film that they pretty much owe their careers too (just watch the doc on the SW boxset where the likes of Cameron and Jackson state that it was watching the 1977 SW that made them want to get into film making)

  • March 9, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Atlantis is copywritten by stargate now

    by dioxholster

    any mention of atlantis from now on must only refer to the Atlantis in the stargate franchise, which still is floating somewhere in san fransisco as we speak.

  • March 9, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Best part about the transcript

    by daggor

    a young Michael Bay pops in every 5-6 pages to say: 'Booooring!"

  • March 9, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    The 'sixty' 20 minute scenes thing...

    by raw_bean

    ...making a 120 minute script is obviously whoever transcribed it miss-hearing 'six' scenes.

  • March 9, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

  • March 9, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    u are right damn i double posted.

  • March 9, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Indy 4 Sucked because of 3 little words...

    by Wrecks

    ...Snake As Rope. But this transcript is solid gold!

  • March 9, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    daggor in fact

    by ominus

    A young Michael Bay was workin on the first indiana movie,dont remember what exactly,but in an interview Bay said that when he read the story for the first time,he thought that it was boring and the movie woulbe be a failure. !!

  • March 9, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Link to download messed up my computer

    by vladvampire

    When I tried to download PDF it deployed malware on my computer and now I have to take the time to wipe all the crap out. Thanks AICN!!!!

  • March 9, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    dont remember what exactly

    by ominus

    =dont remember what exactly he was doing,maybe making storyboards or something..

  • March 9, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    are u stupid? malware?

  • March 9, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay is a young Spielberg

    by dioxholster

    you guys just dont know it yet,

  • March 9, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Needs more ripping out hearts.

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

  • March 9, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST


    by vladvampire

    um, I don't think so, diox. I followed the link in the article above, went to download the pdf, and whaddayaknow, SpywareProtect 2009 deployed on my computer, and shut down my firewall. stupid, no, pissed, yes.

  • March 9, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Submarines in that era didn't just travel around under water. I couldn't say exactly what the ratio was, but they spent most of the time on the surface.

  • March 9, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    vladvampire- your computer needs to update

    by dioxholster

    your computer is still on George W Bush mode. go to My Computer and go to control Panel then go to Administration tools...then type Barack Obama and press enter then reboot. your computer now will be adjusted to Obama mode.

  • March 9, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    dioxholster - your head needs to be removed from your ....

    by vladvampire

    go to the garage, find a powersaw and apply it to 1) your computer and then 2) to your shall expel the demons...unless you are using the computers at the public library to access this site.

  • March 9, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Spielberg and Lucas

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    This transcript confirms that they work well together because Lucas is a strategist, Spielberg the tactician. Lucas is more of an ideas man, Spielberg more of an execution man. For instance, Spielberg chiming in about more tarantulas appearing after the guy walks through another set of shadows - he's visualizing very specifically, whereas Lucas is almost theoretical in his conceptualizing. <p>It's interesting stuff. It seems like Lucas was a real visionary, an imaginative genius of sorts. He's so FOCUSED here. Spielberg on the other hand doesn't show his genius till he's actually behind the camera or storyboarding, engaged in the actual act of telling the story to the audience.

  • March 9, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by dioxholster

    nice analysis there

  • March 9, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    vladvampire- u pesky rat

    by dioxholster

    if thats the thanks i get for trying to help then i rather not have helped at all. good day sir. oh and i fucked ur mom yesterday and she likey.

  • March 9, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST


    by Nirgaul

    Probably the ripping out of hearts was inspired by Marcia Lucas.

  • March 9, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    dioxholster lol

    by vladvampire

    dang, you necrophiliac! I wondered who dug up her grave!

  • March 9, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    love this... it's easy to see how Temple of doom got made too

    by MurderMostFowl

    there are so many parts of temple of doom in here too that they cut out for obvious reasons but still wanted them in there somewhere. Weird that growing up I always thought Spielberg was the one with the cinematic genius here, and reading these notes it's clearly Lucas and Kasdan

  • March 9, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Can we settle one thing about Lucas, once and for all...

    by makeitbig

    Whatever you might think about George Lucas nowdays, he was a genius in that transcript. Some people think he was always a hack, only good at one thing: surrounding himself with talented people. I always thought it was stupid to say that...

  • March 9, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    If GL likes sarcasm, he'd loved some of his recent press ...

    by Chris Wood

    ... but it's great to see the thinking (some of it) behind such a great film. I'd give him a Nobel Prize for Awesomeness if I could. Chris Wood Author, "Sherlock Holmes and the Underpants of Death"

  • March 9, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    GL was once, truly a visionary artist

    by ominus

    but then he became a businessman to sell technology and toys.damn. <p>remember lucasarts? monkey island? full throttle? now we only get star wars games and nothing else.thats what changed.

  • March 9, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Who cares if he became a businessman?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He created ILM, Skywalker Sound, etc. Other people use his shit. Why don't they do their own shit?

  • March 9, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by elkylos

    We're still talking about Raiders of the Lost Ark?

  • March 9, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    What's horribly sad...

    by CatVutt

    Is how all of the 'screenwriting lessons' would be completely IGNORED by Lucas in fashioning EP1, particularly that bit about the 'approach to exposition'. Seriously, point-by-point, you can see everything Lucas DIDN'T do on the prequel trilogy.

  • March 9, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    What a great archeological find you dug up

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Yeah, I'll definitely be studying this as Raiders is my number one. Ah, the good old days when GL and SS were still hungry and at the top of their game.

  • March 9, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Bitch about the prequels

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Yet, you all saw each one of them and probably own all of the DVDs, so who cares?

  • March 9, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST

    No, a lot of us DON'T own the damned things.

    by CatVutt

    And didn't see the last two via torrents. So STFU.

  • March 9, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    I meant 'except via torrents'.

    by CatVutt

    Fuck it, I'm drunk.

  • March 9, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST

    too cool

    by finky089

  • March 10, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Lawrence Kasdan is the true genius behind the Indiana Jones char

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody


  • March 10, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    ..acter. character that is.

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

  • March 10, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST


    by Proman1984

    Beaks your level of awareness and the resulting hype is pretty bad. This is nothing new. I was aware of the existence of this transcrpt for a few years now, from when it was first mentioned on the SpielbergFilms messageboard (which is now, sadly gone). From what I recall, the site's moderator Steven Avalt was contacted by a very knowledgeble and connected insider who had a wealth of material some of which he shared with Steven and us. This was one of the things that were mentioned at least 4 years ago and I got to read a few pages. Yes, it is unnoficial and, too be honest no one, not even that person was really sure if it was 100% legit and untempered with (in fact it is mainly for those doubts that he was unwilling to share the whole thing - as I recall this was not something he gotten through his usual channels but in fact bought, which also implies that other people had it). Still, if in fact, real, what you see is a VERY, very, very early conversation as lots of ideas where bounced around and evaluated it the open. Keep that in mind before you get too judmental. The actual film wouldn't happen for many years and so there was plenty of time before them to compromise and decide what worked and what didn't. The result, of course was perfect.

  • March 10, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    This is fucking awesome! Lucas was a genious!

    by bullet3

    Man, I had written the guy off, but reading this, he is so damn dead on with everything. In fact, Spielberg is the one who keeps throwing stupid goofy ideas into the thing. You could almost swear the transcriber got the two names mixed up or something. Whatever you think of the guy now, this document is a revelation.

  • March 10, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    This is history right here:

    by Dreamwriter

    S: "You know what it could be, I have a great idea. He hears the sand...when he goes into the cave, it's not straight. The whole thing is on an incline on the way in. He hears this, grabs the thing, comes to a corridor. There is a sixty-five foot boulder that's form-fitted to only roll down the corridor coming right at him. And it's a race. He gets to outrun the boulder. It then comes to rest and blocks the entrance to the cave. Nobody will ever come in again. This boulder is the size of a house.

  • March 10, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Is the Marion stuff a joke?

    by Bass Ackwards

    That's just...weird, Speilberg actually had to talk UP the age to 15, the initial idea was for the affair to be when she was 11? That's just a big...huh?

  • March 10, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    episode 3 is awesome

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    episode 1 is awful. episode 2 has some terrible acting but good action. probably a turn your brain off movie. i liked it though. but one was just garbage.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Says Walter Sobchak:

    by Sgt.Steiner

    "11 year olds, Dude." Dreamwriter has it right, though. There are comments above about bad Spielberg ideas, but he came up with the fuckin' boulder, so suck it! And the problem with Indy IV? They didn't have a session like this! No bullshit detectors on full blast.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Wrong, episode 3 sucks hard, 2 is the only decent one

    by bullet3

    Episode 3 has some great action, but its ruined by constantly cutting away (mid action-scene, so you can't build any fucking momentum) to horrible dialog scenes. It also completley botches vader's origin story, making him out to be a total pussy. 2 is actually a pretty damn solid movie, if you cut out the 20 minute bullshit romance. The plot is pretty focused, a good mystery storyline, and the last hour is non-stop battle.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:04 a.m. CST

    WHAT the fuck happened to Lucas?

    by southafricanguy

    Seriously, how did this truly creative and talented director who made thx1138, American Graffiti, Star wars all back to back. And was hugely responsible for esb. How could this guy become such a misguided director, with no sense of passion or artistry anymore. The lucas that existed is really no more, and I for one think its damn sad :( OR at least it might be if Lucas had any real idea of just how far he has fallen. Even damaging his own legacy. But as everyone says, this proves just how great the man used to be....He may as well have died, becos that dude you see on the prequal triliogy dvd extra features aint him..

  • March 10, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Epsiode 3 doesn't build up to any momentum?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Uh, the last scene in the movie would disagree with you.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    And then...Marcia left him....

    by conspiracy

    When she hit the bricks..everything Lucas was was destroyed. She killed his creativity, his sensibility, and in fact killed his passion for life. He crawled into a fetal position, locked himself away up in Marin with his kids, and just stopped giving a fuck about anything. THAT'S what happened..when the ex went she took his fucking he is a bitter, spiteful, half a man...who blames the success, the movies and the fans for driving her away. I truly believe he now intentionally makes bad movies as a way to hurt the very people, namely us, he ultimately blames for his failed marriage.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Not the transcript we need...

    by JuntMonkey

    but the one we deserve.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Bass Ackwards...about Marions age..

    by conspiracy

    might be a "Joke" at 11, but you have to the 1930s MANY women were married by 16. Indy being a young professor and having an affair with a young woman of 16 wouldn't raise many eyebrows, nor should it. Today Chris Hansen would make sure Indy would be doing 5-10...savior of the world or not.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Yuck? Attack of the Clones

    by Davidia

    Ew on that, Attack of the Clones in my opinion is far and wide the WORST Star Wars film. Even beating out The Clone Wars. Nothing happned in that movie worth mentioning, the plot was muddled and boring, anakin was terribly annoying, and the whole thing was just a massive snoozefest. The only good segment was Obi-Wan vs Jango, in fact Obi-wan is really the only character I cared about during the prequels. If ya ask me Episode 1 was the best of them, at least that movie had an identity and cohesive narrative. Attack of the Clones and RotS was just Lucas TRYING to do fanservice.

  • March 10, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    But that's impoossibbleee!

    by andrewsubtitle

    Now we'll get into their minds once and for all!

  • March 10, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Someone needs to add

    by ominus

    Bale in this transcript

  • March 10, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST


    by noncents

    Tomorrow I will delve.

  • March 10, 2009, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Man fuckin George Lucas is my kinda guy

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    "G — They're the third world local sleazos. Whether, they're Mexicans or Arabs or whatever. " Too fuckin right, George.

  • March 10, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    conspiracy dude

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    you are a fucking pedophile, this ain't the goddamn 30s, we got iPhones and they're selling sandwiches at Dominos now.

  • March 10, 2009, 3:41 a.m. CST

    WOW this sounds like it could make a great movie.

    by alucardvsdracula

    They could maybe get some crusty old dude for the part, like, say Harrison Ford or Tom Selleck. Sorry what fucking time have I just landed in???????????????????

  • March 10, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    George Lucas is Awesome

    by dioxholster

    that guy rules. i feel nostalgic now

  • March 10, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    go back to ur time you stupid hippie!

  • March 10, 2009, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Kenny Fuckin Powers

    by kungfuhustler84

    What the hell man? There's not much tolerance for racism on this talkback. So calm down with that bull shit.

  • March 10, 2009, 4:04 a.m. CST

    George is still cool

    by kungfuhustler84

    Regardless of what some dumbasses think of him being racist. It's obvious he had a real passion for the story here. It's refreshing seeing a director (if only on paper) get so caught up in the whole writing process. I just wish more directors today spent so much effort and time on their movies.

  • March 10, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST


    by kungfuhustler84

    I almost agree with you on Episode II. But I liked slightly more than one. I like Episode I more as time goes on, but it's still too childish for me. Kid Anakin is dumb and Jar Jar just bothers me. 3 may still have a pretty obnoxious Anakin and some especially shitty dialogue, but Obi Wan is at his best in that chapter. Finally seeing Mustafar and their penulitmate battle was a nuts moment for me. Just an amazing experience. The only part that made it cooler was the Yoda/Palpatine fight was going on at the same time. Also, the opening with the Gunship battle was our chance to see how good Lucas could do a really epic space battle. The opening shot with those two battleships and the war drums booming was just as good as any of the other opening shots. I'm just saying, give it another try. It has its moments.

  • March 10, 2009, 4:48 a.m. CST


    by Davidia

    Did have an awesome space battle. I'll give you that. It still pisses me off at the lack of space battles in the prequels. And Obi-Wan is at his best in EP3, but I preferred the lightsaber fight in EP1, in fact it's what makes me think EP1 has the edge over all the others. It was choreographed to fucking perfection, and its tension rivaled that of the mustafar fight. I know it wasn't the BIG BIG showdown, but building up Darth Maul as such a silent yet deadly assassin, than seeing him appear behind the doors ready to kick some ass. Just a perfect set-up. The lightsaber fight also didn't overstay its welcome, which is something EP2 and ESPECIALLY EP3 are guilty of.

  • March 10, 2009, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Personally i always thought that

    by ominus

    Darth Vader was a pussy.yeah he was as cool as fuck and emitted scariness and evilness,but its the actions that define a person,and in this case the badness of a villain. <p>Lets get the vader of the original trilogy. <p>he didnt kill his former elderly master.instead the old guy let vader kill him. <p>most of the time he was using his powers on normal, defendless people.if i was superman,and kept killing normal people with my fists,would that made me badass? maybe a psychopath,but not badass. <p>he failed to protect the death star. <p>he fought an inexperienced,young boy,but even he managed to escape from vader at the end.. <p>his father emerged,and became good. <p>the second time he fought luke,he got his ass owned by his ownson.ok luke might have been younger and healthier than him,and more experienced since their first encounter,but he still didnt have <p>and then we have the vader of the prequel trilogy.ok he is not yet the vader we know,but he is the person behind the mask who fell into the dark side of the force. <p>anakin killed a pregnat woman. <p>anakin killed kids,yeah kids. <p>anakin chopped the hand of the pimp jedi while the latter was facing the big bad future emperor. <p>he killed some average thugs using his jedi skills. <p>he got owned by an old guy,count dooku <p>he faced his master and his ass got burned for it. if u sum up,u ll see that vader most of the time was killing average people who couldnt withstand in any way his force powers,but when his opponents were at least worthy,most of the time his ass got kicked. <p>yeah vader was veeeery badass....

  • March 10, 2009, 5:15 a.m. CST


    by ominus

  • March 10, 2009, 5:16 a.m. CST

    G: Steven, what was the nickname you guys had for me?

    by JuntMonkey

    S: Two-Face, Georgie. Two-Face.

  • March 10, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    he still didnt have

    by ominus

    a lifetimes experience and not yet part of the dark force.

  • March 10, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    I didn't make that shit up!

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    it's right there in the fuckin thing and all!

  • March 10, 2009, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Ominus makes a good point...

    by Davidia

    We really do never see Vader kick the ass of an equal rival, save for a little whipping he gave Luke in ESB, and for the most part it seemed Obi-Wan was in steady control their whole showdown. Maybe that was the problem with Vader in the PT. We heard talk about how great and majestic a warrior he was, yet all we saw was sulking and him getting schooled by Renton.

  • March 10, 2009, 6:18 a.m. CST

    G -- First, we get our hero into a refridgerator...

    by Bill Brasky

    S -- ...there is no way in hell that that would ever fly. I don't care if this thing goes for four or five films, we should never resort to that kind of tom-foolery...

  • March 10, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Indiana Smith and the pet rat

    by ricarleite

  • March 10, 2009, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Davidia, I have to totally agree

    by kungfuhustler84

    Darth Maul vs. Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the end of Episode I is easily a tie with Empire's Darth. vs. Luke as best lightsaber batle. While Empire's is far more personal and dramatic, the Maul fight really is pretty perfect. It's one of the best examples I have ever seen of characterizations happening as the fight progresses. We learn more about those three in that fight than we do in the whole rest of the movie. All the little touches, like Maul using his force powers to open the doors, and of course the force field part, it's all just really well thought out and executed. And you're right too about 3. Those fights were a bit too numerous and overly long. And Sam ("Get these mothafuckin snakes off this mothafuckin plane") Jackson vs. Sneering Face Emperor was just goofy as all hell.

  • March 10, 2009, 7:13 a.m. CST

    And the Lucas possible racist stuff is in there

    by kungfuhustler84

    I knew that when I posted earlier. I just kinda doubt he meant it in a racist way. It's possible though. There are just a lot of stereotypical characters like that in old serials though. I seriously doubt he was talking about the current contemporary crisis. More like he was trying to consider the type of people that mostly appear in the two primary settings of Raiders. You were the one drawing racist connections. George was talking about the iconic opening scene of the movie and the several scenes that are in Cairo in Raiders.

  • March 10, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST

    I hate Marcia

    by dioxholster

    she ruined the guy, he had to start from scratch after she took half hes stuff. women man they are a menace i tell you.

  • March 10, 2009, 8:06 a.m. CST

    not racist but hes not PC

    by dioxholster

    coz that conversation was private. plus hollywood at that time talked like that. and arabs like that shit anyway, they love indy.

  • March 10, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    KOTCS has aged better than the Dark Knight

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I'd much rather pop that in the DVD player than the overlong and tedious Dark Knight. Swinging CGI monkeys aren't as cringe worthy as Maggie Gylenhall's face.

  • March 10, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Didn't Indy force Marion to get an abortion??

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I swear that was in the original Raiders novelization, the same one that has the scene where the old Egyptian who reads the inscription on the amulet of Ra and then gives Indy a warning that if he looks at the ark when it is open, he will die.

  • March 10, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by Wee Willie

    I've been coming to AICN for just about ten years now... I've written a movie that was reviewed here, posted a million talkbacks, and I just gotta say, it's little nuggets like this that keep me coming back. Thanks man.

  • March 10, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Great work Beaks

    by Star Hump

    Appreciate you bringing this to us. This transcript is inspiring stuff.

  • March 10, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    A long time waiting...

    by 420 Boylston St

    I rememebr ebay selling this thing for uber amount of money. After reading this I can see why. These are the greatest minds of filmmakers of out time. To get a glimpse at how they think is a gem. My advice to writers who tackle writing chores for Indiana Jones material should read this. Very, very informative and educational. Thank you AICN and Mystery Man on film for this discovery. Thank you Thank you.

  • March 10, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    420 Boylston St

    by dioxholster

    when was it on ebay? and i know where you live now asshole.

  • March 10, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    It's not like it's Star Wars..

    by Rupee88

    Raiders was not even that good of a was like a solid 8 out of 10.

  • March 10, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Raiders is 10 out of 10 in my book

    by future help

    and most others.

  • March 10, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Marion's age difference

    by WickedJacob

    The past is a foreign country. Those kind of relationships were being explored in film at the time. It was pushing limits, seeing how far the sexual revolution would extend. Films weren't trying to condone abuse, they were trying (often naively) to suggest that youth are more competant in making these decisions than they are given credit for. The 1980s saw a backlash toward the other extreme.

  • March 10, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    There's nothing new in there

    by Abominable Snowcone

    that any true Raiders fan didn't already know.<p> What I'd like to see is a transcript of the meetings where they discussed KOTCS. Because I'd really like to know what the hell they were thinking on that.

  • March 10, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Fun stuff

    by mrfan

    Really enjoy gems like this when they pop up.

  • March 10, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    My favorite movie of all time.

    by mrfan

  • March 10, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    kasdan" grand canyon"

    by FleshMachine


  • March 10, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    fun read!!

    by FleshMachine


  • March 10, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by FleshMachine

    nonsense im a huge "TRUE" raiders fan since day one and there TONS of little things in here that NO ONE KNEW until this transcript. u so negative.

  • March 10, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    did u know that

    by FleshMachine

    steven wanted indy to knock off some guys belt with the whip so his pants fell down? no you didnt!

  • March 10, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    for sure 11/10!

    by FleshMachine

    maybe 12/10

  • March 10, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Grand Canyon:Unintentional comedy gem

    by Samuel Fulmer

    As a drama it's laughable, but as an equally cheesey melodrama it's a laugh riot.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    I like how some always want to act like Spiel

    by Samuel Fulmer

    berg isn't the one with the goofy ideas. Lucas didn't have anything to do with Hook or the Lost World, and there are far worse things in those films than any of the prequels of KOTCS.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Chris Rock/Robin Williams in A.I.

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That's a bigger cinematic disgrace than Jar Jar.

  • March 10, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by imagin78

    KOTCS is underrated and TDK is overrated. Accept it.

  • March 10, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Lucas was trying to make it Flying Saucers from Day One!

    by NoDiggity

    He even tries to pretend Spielberg is down with the Flying Saucer angle, to get him to just go along with him on it .. <br><br> Lucas: We have one of these 'In Search of the Lost Ark' things. I think, also, you've been describing this to people as a science fiction film, which is good. <br><br> Spielberg: I have not<br><br> Lucas: It's in Rolling Stone. Anyway ....

  • March 10, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Revealing, like Lucas's Star Wars Annotated Screenplays...

    by rexborsky

    I seem to remember in that, the Han / Greedo scene in Ep. IV originally saw Greedo pound down on Han with a big ass cyber-sword, cutting through the table and narrowly shaving his 70's sideburns. A fight ensues in which that dude with the hole in the top of his head from the Holiday Special gets caught in the fracas. Shit man, he gets pushed over and spills his head/drink all over Beatrice Arthur (I think thats why he gives her the flowers in Holiday Special). Anyway, turns out that on the day Ford was suffering from a hangover after a wild night on the town with Jefferson Starship. Lucas said "fuck it, just shoot him".

  • March 10, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Crystal Skull had better reviews than TDK did

    by lockesbrokenleg

    But, TDK was the better movie.

  • March 10, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Rexborsky what the fuck are you talking about?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The reason Indy shot the swordsman was because Harrison Ford wasn't feeling well that day, and Ford told Speolberg Indy would just shoot the guy, so that's what they did. They even worked on a huge sword/whip fight, that is seen on an old Raiders special.

  • March 10, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    My cock had better reviews than Crystal Skull

    by IL_Deuce


  • March 10, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "Crystal Skull had better reviews than TDK did."<P>Uh...what planet are you living on?

  • March 10, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Sorry Lockesbrokenleg, I get confused sometimes...

    by rexborsky

    ..but didn't Lucas used to drive around in his 4x4 with his dog, Indiana, in the passengers seat? I think that's where he got the idea for Daggit the Muffit II.

  • March 10, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Locksbroken leg...

    by IL_Deuce

    stick to Lost talkbacks. You're out of your element, Donnie!

  • March 10, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST


    by BurgerTime

    ...that reading this was just about as good as eating a t-bone steak and getting a blow-job while driving a Ferarri away from a hoard of giant robots hellbent on TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!!!!!!

  • March 10, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Newsweek loved Crystal Skull and hated TDK!!

    by lockesbrokenleg


  • March 10, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    So Lucas wanted to make Indiana Jones a paedophile?

    by charteredstreets

    Yeah. That guy should be allowed to direct more movies.

  • March 10, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    RE: Newsweek

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Here is their TDK review and I have to say, it sounds like you're making shit up. But considering how easily rexborsky's post confused you, that's hardly surprising.<P>

  • March 10, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Oh Mr. Shit Gauis

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Can't believe he took the time to defend TDK. Ass kisser.

  • March 10, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Oh, lockesbrokenleg (aka skywalkerfamily)

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You really, really, really are a stupid, stupid, stupid person.<P>Got anymore bullshit you want to post today?

  • March 10, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Dude, you always pick fights with people

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Why do you do that? You don't even know who I am. Douche.

  • March 10, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Dude, you lied and I called you out on it.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    It's that simple really. Nothing more; nothing less. So, if you can't take the heat, get your ass out of the kitchen.

  • March 10, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST


    by BlackJackBauer

    lucas- I think basically he's very cynical about the whole thing. Maybe he thinks that most archeologists are just full of shit, and that somebody's going to rip this stuff off anyway. Better that he rips it off and gets it to a museum where people, can study it, and rip it off right. That's the key.also. He knows how to enter a tomb without destroying it. He knows what's important. He knows not to go in there like a bull in a china shop, and destroy half the stuff that's valuable.

  • March 10, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    now change that to

    by BlackJackBauer

    ripping off other movies, and you can see that lucas is clearly talking about himself without even knowing it. thats fucking fascinating.

  • March 10, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Oh, jeez, like you never lied before.

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Give me a break.

  • March 10, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    As a junior high school teacher let me say

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    that the moment you start seeing 14 year olds as poontang, you're finished, outta the game, license revoked. you just have no business being a teacher if you're going to be thinking about a 14 year old giving blowjobs. The nerve of George Fuckin Lucas, well I'm just glad to know that Howard the Duck didn't chase no 11 year old beaver.

  • March 10, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Uhhh...not sure what that has to do with anything other than the fact that you're basically admitting that you posted some bullshit and then when someone calls you on it, you proclaim that they're picking a fight with you. WOW. Got ya. Dumbass.<P>Aren't you glad you came back, skywalkerfamily?<P>Ha!

  • March 10, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Oh brother

    by lockesbrokenleg


  • March 11, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Darth Vader

    by darthvedder81

    I remember an interview with GL saying how many people objected to their being a man in the Vader suit at all. Like was supposed to be an evil robot or a alien monster or something. I think for a lot of people that's still the case and a big reason why the didn't like the prequels. Seeing the ultimate "badass" Vader stripped down to his impetuous, whiney HUMAN self is something people can't accept at a fundamental level (even if the script had been flawless). For me I thought Anakin's reason for ultimately turning was interesting and even surprising--he wants to do good at any cost and in turn becomes evil. Kinda brilliant if you ask me.

  • March 11, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Stop defending SW-Episode III...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...that fucked up trainwreck. It wasn't as annoying as the other two, but still far away from being even remotely a good film. Fuck Luca$h. Seriously.

  • March 11, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Kasdan was pitching GRAND CANYON way back then?!??

    by Wonder Man

    heh heh.

  • March 11, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Wow, George Lucas did not rape your childhood

    by Kenny_Fuckin_Powers

    But Indiana Jones sure did statutory rape that Marion chick.

  • March 11, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST

    RAIDERS never the real deal that STAR WARS was

    by Mr Gorilla

    Have you noticed that they keep referencing not REAL LIFE people, but FICTIONAL characters. Well, that rings completely true, because there was always something a little META about Raiders. Now, in STAR WARS we all love Han Solo more than Luke, but Luke is an important heart of the film because he really fucking cares. He has a lot to win, and a lot to lose. Whereas Han (and Indy) are both loveable rogues; survivors. Look, I ADORE the Indy films, but they were never stories that took over my imagination - like the first Star Wars films undoubtedly were.

  • March 11, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    hey mr sulu

    by The Amazing G

    you win an internet

  • March 11, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    also I love this exert....

    by The Amazing G

    "S -- at some point in the movie he must use it to get a girl back who's walking out of the room. Wrap her up and she twirls as he pulls her back. she spins into his arms." Spielberg likey tha whip! he he

  • March 12, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    He used that trick later on Kate Capshaw in TOD

    by Tacom

    Spielberg's future wife ironically.

  • March 12, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Where is the link for the second transcript

    by orcus

    Orcus saw a draft for Raiders. That's not it is it?

  • March 13, 2009, 5:49 a.m. CST

    finished it

    by The Amazing G

    that was pretty damn fucking cool, although I can't help but feel that I've just ridden a dark ride with the lights on if you know what I mean, also Spielberg does come off as a bit of a horndog (which means he was allot like me he he)