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‘This Ship Is Dead!!’ Friday Brings Penultimate BATTLESTAR GALACTICA!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
I loved those scenes last week of CAG Kara issuing orders to those Cylon pilots and Six joining the Quarum.
And that expression on Tigh’s face last week when Kara noodled out “All Along The Watchtower” was priceless!
SciFi says of tonight’s episode, written by Michael Taylor and titled “Islanded In A Stream of Stars”:
As Galactica continues to deteriorate, Adama resists the need to abandon the ship and Baltar emerges as an unlikely voice of hope.
Expect much to be explained.
After tonight, all that remains is the three-hour series finale.
10 p.m. Friday. SciFi.
The New Prequel About The People
Who Thought Cylons Were A Good Idea!!
Kirk!! Spock!! Blu-ray!!
The New Prequel About The People
Who Thought Cylons Were A Good Idea!!
Kirk!! Spock!! Blu-ray!!
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Its BSG that is becoming "Hamlet" -- a meandering but sometimes brilliant series of monologues and dialogues questioning the purpose of life, the use of violence, the meaning of sanity, and ultimately the question every writer who tries to deal with too many things at once has to ask himself:
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I just watch the show for SIX, i have no clue whats going on when shes on or off the screen. Who is this baltar you speak of???
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Does that mean that the Beings of Light come in at the end when everyone is dead--like Fortinbras?
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Next week is going to be an eyegasm for me with the series finale.
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I'm gonna rewatch it before the finale.
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and a few other 'big' episodes the show has given us.
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Too much to hope that the finale will air as one?
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are a week later
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Thanks! And cool moniker, btw.
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Let's hope one of the scenes is Adama bashing Cavil's face in with a flashlight.
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Seriously!!
Is Roselyn dead?
Is Starbuck a Cylon? Is her dad?
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you know...the girl from blossom
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It's him as the Galactica goes up in flames. Then, the screen goes white and we see everyone with the finale five.
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Man, cant believe its almost over, I could have seen a few more seasons, oh well, IM glad we got to see what we did. Great Sci-Fi
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the way Samuel L. Jackson got eaten in that shark movie.
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It was all the fault of Daggits.
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Should end with a glitzy Hollywood spectacular with a thousand #6es as showgirls and Adama doing his best Tony Bennett. Cheer us all up.
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And I'm sure there'll be a few rabid apologists who'll insist it was "The best thing EVA!!1!"
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Just wait for those high kicks...
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I thought they'd turn it into 30 movisodes and milk it for the next 5 years.
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Cannot imagine how they can wrap up every loose thread. So expecting there to be tv movies, specials, DVD-only movies, cylon-sitcoms, etc in the coming years.
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Mar 06, 2009 5:31:12 AM CST
We were promised as Final Gay Cylon, where the fuck is she?
by evilwizardglick
Everybody loves Lesbians.
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Well bitches?
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He got conned by Boomer twice. What a fucking dumbass.
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They had to admit that that was a video effect done for coolness, and not an actual reflection of what was happening with six and Baltar. Because otherwise the test for cylons would be to open them up and look and for an LED.
It's in one of Moore's commentaries (downloadable from Scifi.com)
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Oh, and everyone will become Baltar's bitch as the survivors head down to the Matrix cave in Zion for an end of the universe Orgy / Rave!
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Boomer Does Dallas. I'd buy that for a dollar.
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Would be my probe up their rectum... Every damn one of 'em!
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It's about the ship's life.
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Unless you were trying to spell Koran, or Harem, or Quantum, or Al Qaeda, or Persimmon.
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glad to see someone remembered that... another retcon.
along with super strength skin jobs....
this show is such shit now.
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So, the final Cylon that was spoken of a few eps ago, Daniel. Seems it turns out to be Starbucks Dad. So, Starbuck is the first Human/Cylon hybrid.. with the ability to resurrect and with a distinct link to her old daddys memorys.. (well, the visions she has)... Does this sound like it could be the case? This is what i got from last weeks episode (being in the UK, i'm a couple of days behind you guys)... Whatcha think???
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On last night's 30 Rock. I don't know if that should be considered in any theories.
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Starbuck's daddy could be....Brian Fellow!
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This isn't a Watchmen talkback? How the heck did that happen?
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There must be another resurrection source. Of course, who provided the ship?
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I spent the week leading up to the epi with Ellen's return watching the whole series for the second time.
I'll be spending next week watching it again with my Mom who has never seen the show.
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First off, let's look at two answers to the question 'What is Kara Thrace?':
Answer 1: A new entity that hasn't been encountered/explained on BSG yet that will require at least fifteen or more minutes to explain during time that would've been better off discussing something else; or
2) She's Half-Cylon and was resurrected.
Ignoring Occam for a second, let's look at it from a different angle. Let's presume Daniel is Kara's father. How else does it fit in with what we already know:
1) Well, we know Kara's father left and never called, never wrote. Hmmm
2) We know Cavil is the one that contaminated Daniel. Let's dwell on this a second. What is Cavil's biggest beef? Being a man instead of a machine. What would cause Cavil to hate Daniel? Could it be, perhaps, that Daniel loved being a man? That Daniel reveled in his resemblance to humanity? Maybe what Daniel did was to abandon his Cylon brethren and to choose to live as a human. What might he have done? Taken a wife maybe? Had a child (although we must presume at this point that if he did, no one knows)?
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Anyone wanting to discuss tonight's episode is welcome to join us tonight/tomorrow. Here's last week's recap: http://tinyurl.com/atbd7s
I wonder how and if Tyrol will pay for helping Boomer.
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I could have sworn while I was wathcing Wathmen last night that I heard Michael Hogan behind me saying "It's that fraking song again!"
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i was JUST saying that to a friend of mine today, that i wanted to watch the mini in the morning before the finale that night - i'm guessing that Moore and co. are going to go back to that... remember the DS9 finale? not the 2parter, i mean the 7 part gul dukat as bajoran, cardassian resistence, sisko going from emissary to prophet... HUGE. we're in for something spectacular. (so say me all)
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But it's Rainy Day Women. Close, but no cigar.
EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED! -
At the end of the show the entire thing should be revealed to be the imagination of an autistic boy looking at an old-school Battlestar Galactica lunchbox he found at a garage sale.
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I've actually liked most of these final episodes...maybe because I've missed half the show and can't really obsess over the backtracking and loose threads like the faithful.
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I think that is the coolest and funniest idea I have ever heard. And you bitches thought I was about to get on a soap box, didn't ya?
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I have no freaking clue or theories about how this is going to end. This show has suprised me more than once, and at this point, I'm just along for the ride...hating that it's about to end, but still enjoying what's left of it.
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Because after his stint as a leader on New Caprica, his appearance in episodes has been completely extraneous. He's been the leader of a quasi-religious harem. . .great. Except that's been the case for the past season or more, and it hasn't gone anywhere.
Hopefully the series will end well, the way DS9 did with all the plot points resolved. Well, sans the 10 minute long flashbacks we saw in DS9, that was actually a little annoying. -
Thank fucking god for Turner Classic movies and Boomerang or there'd be nothing on TV to watch anymore.
Now get off my lawn you fucking kids! -
That was a riot. I just bought the La La Land Records "Lost In Space" soundtrack a few weeks ago, on the heels of getting the Batman TAS soundtrack...and it's amazing how similar some of Johnny Williams' themes from LIS eerily foreshadow work that he'd do on another space opera a few years later.
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Haven't heard of that one...where is it at? Just got my new 46" LCD and I'm looking for some quality programming.
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has been to lead up to baltar getting a ton of weapons and somehow playing a part in the final battle. Head-Six is going to turn out to be something Cavill has been controlling, which won't make a lot of sense but would be hard to absolutely say is impossible -- thus it fits RDM's recent m.o. of rewriting the entire series with Cavill as Cobra Commander.
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Of course, last night was the season finale, so I don't know when they're going to reair the eps. But I believe they're on Hulu.
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One, perhaps the only, good thing about being "downsized" is that I have plenty of time to watch TV (and paint the house). I'm halfway through season two, and will have no problem getting all the way through to the end by next friday.
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I would not insult Hamlet so. I'd say with the race mixing, rape, revenge and bloodthirstiness of BSG, it MIGHT be more a Titus Andronicus. They'd need to write in some Cannibalism. THINK YOU CAN HANDLE THAT ESPENSON????
Last week I saved some time and only watched the last third of the ep. Guess what? I'm completely caught up.
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IS GREAT. USA will likely run a marathon. I know some are on Hulu. Or just ask your TiVo nicely to season pass it for you.
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Have Adama walk in on the final five and all you see is the Chief burping and the other four are missing. The only thing seen is Tigh's patch.
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I think that's how St. Elsewhere actually ended. I didn't see it, but that's what I've been told. Minus the BSG lunchbox, probably.
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The first 5 minutes of the last Lost episode was better than what I've seen of the entire 4th season on BSG. I'll continue watching this show to the end, but there's little joy or anticipation. Everything introduced seems to be so ham handed. I still don't get the Ellen character. After she resurrected she remembered *everything*, but now that she's back on the Galactica she's just dumb Ellen Tigh? As others have said, the final five was handled badly. The buildup for the final five was huge. What a let down.
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Jeez...this guy has to post at least 2 dozen times before the episode even comes on with his spoilers and what not...and to top it, he rambles. Suprsing that he hasn't posted yet...thank gawd.
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“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”
H.P. Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu, 1928
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Too bad the first 5 minutes of last week's episode of Lost was succeeded by the next 55 minutes. LOST has been a mess since the start of season 4. The current season is shit. I personally think there has been 1 good episode this season (Locke's episode; episode before last) and even that hasn't been all that great. Obi Juan, you must be taking crazy pills if you think the first 5 minutes of the last episode of LOST was better than "Blood on the Scales' or "Sometime a Great Notion."
I used to think that LOST was easily better than BSG. That isn't the case anymore. LOST used to be about characters. Now it's about plot.. problem is, the plot was never that great on LOST, and only served as a tool to draw comparisons in the lives of the characters. Now the writers have said "FUCK character development, let's go vaguely hint at stuff, bounce through time randomly, and shuffle back and forth between the beach and some "mysterious" Dharma station." -
turned out to be the fact that they are ALL Cylons. That the humans on Kobol yielded the original Cylon race, and the 12 colonies were ALL Cylons like the ones on Earth.
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Which explains how she knew the way to earth by feel.
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what's the deal with her brand new Viper?
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so we can debate how good/ rubbish it was and was it worth it.
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Whereas, on BSG, they're running with the Final Five Maguffin to the extent of it completely driving the plot. I said it before, I'll say it again... they had to leave New Caprica way too quickly and the show's been burdened with dumb convolutions ever since.
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Hybrids were created by the centurions when they were trying to create a human-like cylon. They're two distinct entities.
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I completely disagree, I think the idea that the Losties were a part of the mysterious Dharma group they once wondered about, and possibly may turn out to even have helped create some of the very situations that plagued past slash future selves is pretty mind blowing.
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..it will be revealed that Hurley, newly arrived at the Dharma Initiative in 1977 and employed as chef, is arguing over his script ideas with one of his prep cooks, named Glen, specifically over a story called 'Adam's Ark'. Hurley and Glen have many amusing disagreements..first on the list..Hurley being Hispanic, wants a vato as the commander. Glen will have none of it. Hurley further insists his swashbuckling hero, Starbuck, must be a chica..Ya know.. for the kids. Again, Glen will have none of it.
Hurley exasperated by Glen's constant criticism and especially his notion for a robotic dog called a dagget, trades his ass to the Others for 3 comics, a jug of Ranch dressing and a pack of Kools.
Glen, amazes his captors with Hurley's tales of robotic cars and manimals and stuntman and mustached PI's..awed, the Others instruct him how to turn the frozen donkey wheel, at which point, Glen is transported from the island to LA in 1957.
Hurley lives out the rest of his life from 1977 in the Flame where he is forced to watch all of his ideas put to work. Hurley goes insane, is transferred to the radio tower (where he can do no harm to the DI) and records the amount of money he lost to Glen. 4815162342.
Later, a ballon crashes and two lovers named JJ and Josh meet Hurley.
Hurley tries his stories again...on the only two people who will still listen to him..
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Damn, I wanted to see him last week during Starbucks head trip episode.
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Four hours to go people! Let's get talkbacking! Where is everybody, at Watchmen?
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That loveable scamp.
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from Watchmen. Can't wait for tonights ep!
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It's gotta be those ship of light angel/advanced beings. Even if Starbuck was a cylon, there is a brand new viper to deal with. And the head characters have no other explaination except a ton of characters are either crazy, or the SoL beings are using them to influence the outcomes of things.
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This is in response to those that say that #7 being Kara's father answers questions.
It doesn't.
The questions surrounding Kara:
1. What is Kara's destiny?
2. How did Kara return from the Dead or rather who is the Kara now running around on Galactica?
As to the first, it doesn't answer any more questions than it creates. We know that the half-breed (Hera) is biologically different humans and Cylons. Kara has been examined by both humans and Cylons and no one has mentioned her blood type is different. Also, the show has spent a lot of time pointing out that Hera is unique, both in-story (the "angels" have said Hera is unique) and story structure-wise (a lot of time has been devoted to killing off/ retconning other half-breeds like Cayce, Nick, and Liam).
As to the second, there's absolutely NOTHING to explain Kara's return by making #7 her dad.
Also, we learned last week that Kara's father was not named Daniel. Of course that's no guarantee given that Cylons use different names for different identities, but it certainly didn't help.
We also know that Daniel is a character on Caprica. The guy who played Kara's father is not currently involved in that show. There IS however a character named Daniel on that show played by Eric Stoltz.
I suggest that having #7 be Kara's dad raises a lot more questions and complicates matters more than would otherwise be. When you discount Dad as a Cylon, the explanation for Kara seeing her dad is simple: Kara has daddy issues and sometimes sees in-heads.
I'm not sure we're GOING to get answers about Starbuck. Not from what I've been hearing. I'm not convinced that Daniel ISN'T her father, but I think a lot of the "evidence"
and "logic" people are pointing to is pretty weak.
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She's the first BSG alien.
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The timeline for Stoltz being Cylon Daniel doesn't work at all. We know the 5 didn't build any of the 12 until after the 1st war started, which started before the 5 arrived back at the Colonies. So...
I think the simple explanation for this, based on what we have, is that Ellen models Daniel7 after DanielStoltz when they create the 12.
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"The timeline for Stoltz being Cylon Daniel doesn't work at all."--- Yes it could. You'd simply have to accept that Daniel Graystone came BEFORE #7 Daniel.
It's very simple. Graystone invented a way to resurrect his daughter's personality and DNA in a Cybernetic body. It could be that Graystone himself was resurrected in the same way.
"I think the simple explanation for this, based on what we have, is that Ellen models Daniel7 after DanielStoltz when they create the 12."--- That's definitely a good possibility.
"I'm thinking the 12 enlist DanielStoltz's help when they come back."--- That'd be my guess as well. I think that the Centurions captured Graystone at some point.
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...I'll watch it tomorrow whilst having my cornflakes. I think Galactica will fall apart this episode only to reform into a new SUPER GALACTICA, with Anders at the centre.
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Wasnt that like for movies in the 70's like Rollercoaster, Eathquake, I think they used one big speaker for bass effect. ;p
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Best BSG line ever! Did Hogan make that one up himself? I know that's a few epis ago but I just gotta ask.
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...that #7 be modeled after Daniel Greystone? Since he created the colonial cylons he could be seen as some sort of father figure or god. The only way the Final 5 would have known who Daniel was would have been through the colonial cylons.
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First The Shield and soon BSG will be gone. I have nothing to watch anymore other than sports.
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And there's always that old standby 24.
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Just sayin GO CTHULHU W00t
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I do enjoy what I have seen, but this is my actual 1st season watching it. I need to find the other seasons because I feel like I am missing too much.
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...ah, I lost my train of thought.
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The characters on that show are some of the most spiteful people on TV.
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I just finished the 2nd season (2 in one month, good going) and it will replace BSG as my number 1 show. Shit, 5 seasons to watch and a Tv movie, life is good.
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..mmm.
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Mar 06, 2009 4:20:52 PM CST
The better steo it the fuck up when it comes to the writing...
by fuckmichaelbay
...the last three BSG vs. last three LOST.....TOTAL FUCKING LOST DESTRUCTION!
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My wild theory is that when he "died," Daniel was elevated to the status of a Lord of Kobol - or whatever they are called post Kobol - because of his beautiful soul (as posted last week).If Kara is his daughter, then according to my theory she's more than half Cylon, she's half Lord of Kobol.
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May as well quit watching 24. You've seen all that is good... sadly, those first two seasons were it.
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It's (24) about to go down hill. Enjoy season 3 because after that, 24 's quality begins to severely degrade.
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I keep running into people who think it's a cool way to say "last." I want to kick them in the balls.
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Could the President be the first Caprican Skinjob?
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the show became total fucking garbage. And as for the whole BSG vs. Lost debate. BSG edges it out easily when Lost ditched character development for "Doc-Brown's Delorean" fuck the time-travel explanation. I was hoping for something else.
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Headline says "Friday brings penultimate...". Penultimate means second-to-last. Tonight's is the second to last episode (unless you consider that the finale is split up). What's the problem?
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Did you not fucking see the Desmond episode last year? Remember when people thought it was Purgatory? Lol.
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It's a little campy, but it has some great Holy Shit moments. And when the big reveal happens, you're compelled to rewatch the first 11 or 12 eps again. Seriously. There is some fantastic acting going on in there.
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Just a head's up, I will be Live Talkbacking tonight's ep (I know, I can tell you're excited to hear that) so those who wish to avoid spoilers should not be in here after 10pm EST.
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I am at work until midnight. Then I have to be back in at 8am. It is going to be a rough day tomorrow.
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Haven't seen "Rescue Me' in about a season and a half, but it is usually pretty good.Also, is anyone watching "Terminator" tonight and can help me place where I know this semi-Asian chick with the British accent?
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BSG - Razor
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Does anybody know why last week's episode isn't up on the Sci-Fi website? Episodes are usually posted within 48 hours and every other episisode is up so what gives? You'd think they would want people watching it seeing as it is one of the FINAL FUCKING EPISODES.
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I think I would like her in whatever she did.
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This talkback is so disappointing. It’s more about Lost and 25 and Terminator…
Oh wait, maybe it’s BSG that’s become disappointing, not the talkback.
Seriously…I am so disappointed with BSG…the highs have been episodes that dealt with mutiny and such and did not move the story forward. Everything else either sucked or was so convoluted it didn’t make sense.
I think that Galactica (the ship) is going to end up deteriorating and everyone ends up dying in space…and none of the questions get answered…and they say wasn’t that dark?
So disappointing…by favorite shows…BSG, Lost, 24, SGA…what am I left with now?
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Dont listen dont stop till season Five that day 6 & 7 are a waste kid.
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ONE good movie, and the rest of it is well, not very good. I don't buy into that hype anymore.
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It's the lull before the storm, as far as I am concerned. The last episode was great, and there was a very long discussion in the days after it. As I assume there will be in the next 48 hours.
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"Dollhouse" is better than usual tonight.
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How can it be better than usual?
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I think. And it's better than the other 3. That's how.
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Add Dollhouse into the mix...
Sorry shellfishh, but an extended discussion of whether Daniel is Starbuck's father just does not cut it for me. The last episode should have been earlier in the season, not in the final four. At this point, episodes should be filled with more answers and fewer questions. If they wait until the last episode to answer questions, it will be like when Anders dumped his load...a lot of words and no substance.
I do hold out hope though…maybe they’ll pull it all together. I want them to pull it together. I’m still watching and hoping, But I really don’t think so. You think RDM would know better…you think he should have known to map out the series in advance instead of winging it. I have invested a lot of time and angst into this show and it tears me up how it’s ending up. The old girl (Galactica) deserves better.
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Those New Caprica episodes were great. Series kind of lost its way after that.
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...has been added to Tivo.
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Bruce Campbell doing his same old act.
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..has ben removed from my Tivo. j/k
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Squids~!
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than a lot of the much-ponderous BSG mark 2 has been over its years on the air.
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Oh woops, started too soon. That's from Moonlight. Just ignore.
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Well, not about Bruce Campbell. But he's not the main character, so it doesn't matter anyway. Burn Notice is the show that driving my wife to lesbianism (although she's in love with Michael Westin too). If that doesn't make it a great show, well then there's no such thing as a great show.
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People not watching best better leave because the following posts will have spoilers!
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I read them anyway.
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Hera is kidnapped.
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How much stuff in the "last time on galactica" is from scenes that were cut from the previous episodes?
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Are we going to see it?!?
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I have to say...your enthusiasm energizes me...
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Or Kobol?
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after the first war. It's been mentioned, but we've never seen it. And I could've sworn RDM said we would never see it.
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I seriously am depressed after watching an episode.
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It was shit. It seemed to be the same kind of flaccid inert "acting" and "plotting" you find on a run-of-the-mill doc/cop/lawyer procedural where everyone stands in-place trying to look cool while reading from their cue-cards. I did, however, recently take the opportunity to watch the first season of Breaking Bad (via onDemand). It's decent. A little more edgy than most network drama in the material covered (though I wish they wouldn't mute the curses), but still kind of staid and understated in the acting. It doesn't compare to the greats of the last few years though. The Shield. Damages. Sons of Anarchy. BSG. The Wire. Rome. Deadwood. Breaking Bad is just short of that level, more on par with semi-ambitious works like House.
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thats totally what that was
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Washoom.
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Some redshirts bit it. Seth Rogen lived, though.
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Strong first few minutes.
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Take that as you will. Haven't had the chance to watch it.
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But I don't buy Starbuck's wide-eyed speech to Adama. Too much idealism behind it.
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And she's in the Opera House
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That was great!
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Baltar time!
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So blah.
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They were dividing up the Galactica! Lee was getting angry! That was his best scene since he took the stand in Baltar's trial.
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So Ellen is back to the way she was a few episodes ago when she wasn't bitchy? Who wrote that inconsistent episode?
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Gives me a tingle.
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Then again, she is a kid. All kids can project.
Talking about angels ... hmmmm
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That was great!
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to realize that Baltar and Starbuck had no encounters previously (is that true, though?)
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no, they kinda frakked in season 1.
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Ok, seriously, 30 minutes in and this is a 5 star episode. Wow.
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and she had sex with him.
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a way too much.
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So was Baltar being deliberately a jerk there? Or did he simply not remember?
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I think that was a reference to her coming back from the dead and no one knowing exactly who/what she is?
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You brought her. Rectum? Damn near killed him.
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Many ways it could be played. Very well done, BSG scribes.
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That whole scene with Ellen and Tigh was great.
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Heh heh heh
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after three beers and some X. "What is Home?"
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until roslin gets munchies
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...Christ, how long has it been?
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We have to hear it at least ONCE an episode.
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She used it against the Chief anyway. That's hard.
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Ruining a great ep.
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he doesn't want the raptor to look for hera: he want's to look for echo.
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...uh, I mean...
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pull it together, helo.
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Adama: more unhappy people.
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Its Starbuck.. where was the punch!?!?
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My head hurts.
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cause im pretty sure i heard it in that movie
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c'mom Kara, *belt* that fakker.
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As evidenced by her earlier speech to Adama. Baltar deserved at least a kick in the nads.
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...at certain times this episode where the writers are going for anything but laughter. Ugh.
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Mar 06, 2009 9:47:08 PM CST
If Nick Cave's cover of 'Death Is Not The End' is'nt used in the
by the shyster
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Lol, since when has that been the norm for this show?
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You can see it in his eyes.
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grrrr... faith & the unexplainable BADDDDD!!!! ;)
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She's smiling.
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Or Colony, whatever
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Just awesome.
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again
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Did Jane Espenson write this shit?
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Oh geez, Kara. Five bucks he Jumps
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He's about to jump them!
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I sense trouble.
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Mar 06, 2009 9:55:02 PM CST
Jesus Christ, the unintentional comedy just won't let up...
by gawdfather
...lame.
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he got fat again.
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Apparently, that's what breeds acceptance
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Ship's going down...
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Mar 06, 2009 9:56:19 PM CST
tired of shows being built around people with poor communication
by jccalhoun
Why don't people talk to each other on this show? If the final 5 had talked to Adama a long time ago things would be better. If Starbuck had told people that she found her own body things would be better.Why can't there be a show where people actually tell each other what they know? Lost is built around people not telling each other things and now it seems Galactica is the same way. Talk, damn it!
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did that episode accomplish?
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Thats it? So much for lots of answers.
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Too many man tears, Baltar's speech didn't make sense, and yeah, not much answered. Great first half though.
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Mar 06, 2009 9:57:38 PM CST
OK, who started this whole rumor about tonight answering everyth
by dotren
Cause obviously it was just a rumor.Don't get me wrong, the episode was awesome, like most in the past few months (not counting Deadlock of course) but still.
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I'll miss no new eps, but it's time for The End
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Even had the mournful hooting *giggle*
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Adama's heart will go oooooooonnnnn....
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You're describing most plot-heavy shows. They DEPEND on people not only doing things rational people wouldn't do, but failing to communicate basic information the way normal people would. Lost is the biggest offender, but BSG is right up there.
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Yeah the Titanic reference was rather obvious there wasn't it?
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Good call, Herc.
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I don't understand. Once again, even as they hype the shit out of this episode, the only significant thing we learned this episode is that Roslin likes smoking blunts. Like a space-gangster. Week after week I continue to expect some important answers to be doled out. Ellen's conversation with Cavil is the last time anything serious happened on this show.
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That sounds interesting.
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Mar 06, 2009 10:01:18 PM CST
Well, that stunk, thanks RDM for another wasted episode
by lockesbrokenleg
HEY! YOUR SHOW IS FUCKING ENDING! HOW ABOUT SOME GOOD EPISODES?
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With the number of answers pouring out of the show at this point, its rather obvious the survivors are going to crash land on a mysterious island where time travel occurs..
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Oh sorry, Stargate come on, never mind.
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I liked it very much especially the ending. No, there were no battles, sextings, or gunshots, but it was a great episode.
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So I can re-watch it without the expectation of answers this time around.
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What happened to this year for BSG? Man, this show used to be so great.
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Mar 06, 2009 10:03:29 PM CST
We are what is known in the capital markets as "bagholders"
by gawdfather
hanging on after a good thing is long gone. Oh well, I'll still tune in next week. Going down with the ship, as it were...
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No wonder they wanted to end it with season four. This is a fucking embarrassment. Why does RDM think we want all of these episodes that have nothing to do with anything?
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Isn't it a little late for very little to nothing being explained with only 3 hours of show left?
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Mar 06, 2009 10:05:53 PM CST
Lost made me cry this week, and it wasn't even the end of the se
by lockesbrokenleg
This just made me bored.
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Did Kara's piece fire?
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..the emotional arcs of many of the and end game necessary for the final two episodes. I know the very idea of "emotional" anything upsets a large group of fandom, but it is what it is.
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..the emotional arcs of many of the and end game necessary for the final two episodes. I know the very idea of "emotional" anything upsets a large group of fandom, but it is what it is.
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Baltar and Starbuck have had several encounters--they've even slept together.
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Yes, if all you care about is "answers" it was a pretty weak episode. But if you didn't know the show was ending in 3 hours, this was a very solid ep. The first half was great - 5 stars. Second half dragged it down (reasons noted above), but overall I'd say this is a 4 star ep (on the Herc scale)
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She should have hit him with a right cross. What was that frou-frou slap?
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since Kara's resurection
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Forgotten about it (like Baltar did?)
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it had it's moments... just the thing is, when there are only 3 more episodes left. and the show we're talking about is battlestar frakkin galactica.
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It was a mistake, I just couldn't backfill a reason for them to encounter each other (and it's been so long since I saw the first season I don't remember a lot of details of that nature). Should've thought of poker sex.
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Mar 06, 2009 10:10:50 PM CST
I wonder if Herc is going to weigh in and change the article tit
by chrth
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Now it's Star Trek.
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Well at least they gave the useless Anders character something to do. This show stopped making sense a long time ago....
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Sorry this is just such seat of the pants writing that demonstrates extremely little foresight and planning. Compare this to the buildup in Bablyon 5 where plot threads developed over seasons and culminated into everything coming together and unwrapping. A sign of good writing is when you make plot developments that clarifies and adds depth to previous occurences. With B5, you said "Ahh, thats very cool". With BSG, you are left with "Wow thats sloppy". This all feels like its written by way too many people who didnt plan any of this out before hand. This show is afraid to do anything until (apparently) the final episode!
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Dude seriously needs to shave his vagina. The first couple tearful, violent meltdowns, I was right there with him. Now, with about the fifth, I'm starting to laugh at his moronic tears. And laugh heartily. This episode was weak ... very weak.
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But with Watchmen talkbacks appearing every 4 minutes, I suspect the BSG tb won't dominate the rankings for the whole weekend like it did last week
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It used to carry weight because you never saw him do it now it's at least once an episode. RDM and his writers should be ashamed of these episodes. They're pathetic.
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After the 31st KFC commercial tonight, I realized that one of their prizes for some retarded contest they're having is a year's worth of KFC. A YEAR'S WORTH! Didn't they watch "Supersize Me"?
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If it had happened two seasons ago. As one of the last episodes EVER, it was lame-o. I don't need action, action, action, but I do want some momentum. Helo just got kidnapped, and it seemed like no one gave a flying fuck. Send a rescue mission! Do something! And what's up w/ Baltar being the one to tell Lee about Starbuck's "resurrection?" What a huge missed opportunity. That should have a been a highly emotional scene b/t Lee and Starbuck, tears galore as Starbuck finally reveals to him that she found her dead body. That short little scene b/t them tonight was such a cheat, compared to what we should have gotten.
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is that, at this rate, EJO would not be able to fit trough galactica's corridors in season 5.
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The plan is to screw the fans?
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Well not all of it, but it bothers me endlessly that he was drinking cokes at every meal. He was drinking more calories than he was eating! Yes, soda is offered at McDonald's. But if your point is to prove that the food is bad, then you need to remove the soda from the equation (since every place in the universe has soda). And despite those stupid commercials, yes, high fructose corn syrup does fuck you up.
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Preview suggested next week's episode is on at the regular time...this would place it concluding around 1 AM. Is this true?
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No one would give a frak or do anything if Helo got kidnapped
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It's all part of a 3-hour finale, but the first hour airs next Friday (btw, sorry but I'll be missing it live. Going to see Jesus Christ Superstar so I'll have to watch it on Sat) and the final two hours air the following Friday (I guess starting at 9 EDT?)
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So's this show... This is supposed to be the final push to the end; and there is nothing happening.
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a one hour long episode next week and a two hour series finale the week after.
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So say just me!
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Thanks chrth!
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by joss whedon.
and p5mmr9, next week is a normal episode. 2 parter is 2 weeks from now.
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OH YEAH!
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Lately, the show keeps alternating between good episodes and awful episodes. This WOULD be a solid episode, if there weren't only THREE FUCKING EPISODES LEFT!
What the fuck have the writers been doing this season? At least half of the episodes this season have been filler episodes, and now, they're going to have to do some bullshit rushed conclusion to try and wrap everything out. Think about it, each episode is like 42 minutes, that means theres less than 1.5 hours left in this show, and they still haven't answered a ton of stuff. Instead of cramming everything into the end things shoulda been spread out over this whole season. Goddamnit I'm pissed. -
hera got to a cylon base. stuff from the last weeks was repeated again. that's all.
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im so fuckin pissed we had to wait so long for the second half of this. ITS THE END OF YOUR SHOW WHY DONT YOU GOD DAMN DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN HAVE EVERYONE JUST BITCH AND MOAN AT EACH OTHER AND PAINT THERE BEDROOM WALLS OMFG /end rant
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We'll always have Gaeta.
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The old man is sitting at dinner on the new Earth with the good ole crew. gaeda appears and walks past the old man's dinner table into the bathroom. he comes out. fade to black.
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Some kinda fight happens. There's some miscommunication. Then, something cryptic is said. Maybe a shot of a planet. The end.
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What a horrifying crossover that would be.
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Sure doesn't feel like it.
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Never seen so many people micro-critique a show. THIS episode great, THAT episode written by a hack, etc. etc. We're seeing some QUALITY television... some amazing character work, brilliant acting, and you micro-critics try to pick apart little things because there is not enough action for you, or there was too much talking and your head hurts... fortunately, most of us find the show riveting, and I'm genuinely sorry for those who don't. That's not an insult, but I'm enjoying the hell out of this show and wish everyone got as much enjoyment out of it as I do.
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Pretty much my thoughts. I can't imagine any show from any era holding up to this level of scrutiny on a week to week basis.
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Or Tyrol
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I'm thinking that Starbuck was accepting who she was. Even though baltar was a tool and embarrassed her publicly ( or at least was using her as a pawn ) she does now know she is not a cylon and as she said to Anders at the end, she is learning to accept her new self. I think she slapped him because he didn't tell her first, not that he told the world. In a way, she was so relieved that she now knew who she was ( or at least that she wasn't a cylon ) that there wasn't anger.. just disappointment.
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Mar 06, 2009 11:08:39 PM CST
BSG: As I mentioned last week, I'm happy it's ending...
by happyhamster
This show had a nice run and was probably the best show on TV for a season or two (esp. when "Lost" spun out of control for a while).
But it's obvious now that the BSG show writers are really out of stories for this series. It's been wrung completely dry.
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I just want all the characters to have a nice moment in their lives once in awhile.
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It's not even close anymore ever since the Gaeta mutiny ended. Ron Moore, did you blow your ability to end a series on DEEP SPACE NINE?
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The piano "notes" are some type of coordinates. Whether it's the "real" earth or the cylon colonies.
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Daniel or Starbuck are really from Kobol and are trying to lead the Galactica and the Cylons to a new world.
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That was my thought last week. The stars/music notes is a map that will lead them to jump Anders-style to the new home.
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Tori gets to be Jasmine and Apollo is Aladdin. In head 6 is the Genie. Ack... Hairball!!
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You called the Anders=Galactica Hybrid last week in the TB. Bravo, man!
It sounded like a great conclusion when you said it last week, so now that you're the oracle, what do you think's gonna happen next week?
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that man, paints fast.
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"You are the harbinger of Death Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end." She's the one who leads to the death of the ship, and she will take them to their home. That's some funny fucking shit right there. It's straight forward in the most negative way possible.
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I suggested this a few weeks ago and the teaser certainly suggests this: the only sure way to end the cycle of humans and cylons warring is for all of them to die.
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Seriously, the only complaint you have is "teh shows is ending soonz!!!11!1!"
What kind of stupid bullshit criticism is that? As if you have any insight into the way the last three episodes flow from this one.
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"There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza". I laughed out loud at the reference to the old song, but then I realized that was no coincidence...
The hole in the bucket can be a symbol to Galactica's physical holes and the conflict on how to fix it between Saul and Adama, as well as the "hole" in the future of humanity and cylons
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honestly at this point I just want the show to end. That episode was suppose to answer questions tonight? I would have prefered the show just ending when they found radioactive earth.I'm glad some people are enjoying it still, I've just found it to be really boring and just dragging along. I still love it, I just was hoping for a bit more than they've been giving us. It feels so thrown together and kinda just lame. Its lulls around in itself. I'm really sad to be complaining about it, but its just been really disappointing.And I have feeling the ending will blow.
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...with Hera playing with a snowglobe, with BSG inside, and Adama and Roslin are her parents, and they want her to put the globe down, so they can get high...
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It was a good episode,if there were more than just three left I dont think anyone would have complained.I just cant' wait for it to really kick in. I guess that will be next week.
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BSG is excellent at having the rational thing happen. There have been very few if any times where some major thing happened to a character that they didn't respond rationally... sometimes too much. People mock Adama's breakdowns, and Sauls drinking got pretty old after the 2nd season, but that's closer to reality than anything else. As for Starbuck not talking about finding herself dead, you have to remember that up until just a couple of episodes ago, most of the crew including starbuck did not know how many cyon models there were truly, and even "knowing" woud still evae alot of doubt in your mind. She just went through how many months trying to convince her friends and coworkers that she wasn't a cylon because Lee saw her blow up and now suddenly she has *more* proof that she might be a cylon and you wonder why she doesn't share it? She's terrified of what she might be. She keeps asking "what am I?" really really hoping the answer is not the one she thinks it is. This episode seems to tip the scales in a new direction, but still she has to be terrified to just start talking about her experiences. Adama himself said he's worried he'll catch a bullet walking down his own ship.
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must mean something heavy because THEYVE. ALREADY. DONE. THAT. BEFORE.
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Even with Sam suddenly spouting pseudo-gibberish as the Galactica's ad hoc hybrid, no one has been asking the right questions: HOW does he know to recite the "Kara Thrace Harbinger" speech? Where is that coming from, how is it transmitted to him (and the other hybrids who said it)? If that thought was "programmed" in him at birth it is a 2000+ prophecy!! And while the current basestar hybrids could have been programmed by the Final Five with that prophecy... the "Old Guy" hybrid the Colonial Centurions made on their own knew it BEFORE the Final Five showed up. So WHERE does this information come from??? It's obviously ACCURATE... and was definitely prophetic. Is Kara Thrace a character that repeats through time? If so... how and by who's hand?
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Baltar answered two or three huge questions... indirectly.
What is/was Kara's vision of her father? An angel, apparently. At least this is what Kara seems to believe. An angel came to her in a familiar (not too familiar, it would seem) form chosen because she could relate to it and the message it brought.
Baltar reaffirms what I mentioned earlier about Kara's blood. He ran more tests on her and confirmed that she is not Cylon, but was/is indeed human. That pretty much confirms she isn't half-breed, either (we know from SEVERAL previous episodes that Hera's blood is quite different from a human OR a Cylon).
Next, he answered a question I've been totally baffled about since Razor: WHY IS KARA THRACE CALLED THE HARBINGER OF DEATH?
I can't believe no one's ever thought of (at least made known in fandom) the explanation: Kara is the harbinger of death because she will cause the fleet to face death in the same way Kara faced death.
Seeing how it didn't end up all that bad for Kara, there is hope that the HoD prophecy might not be as bad as it sounds.
My guess is that Kara is going to do for the fleet what she did for herself in Maelstrom.
Did anyone notice the oldschool Cylons inside the Colony? Very interesting. I hope we'll be seeing old Centurions, as has been rumored.
As others have mentioned, the notes-as illustrated by Hera- seem to be more than just the tune to "All Along...' I don't know if it will be as obvious as "star charts" or whatever (I hope not, as I think that a bit cliche).
This episode also confirmed that there were TWO SETS of dog tags and wedding rings 9so not just Kara was reproduced. The ship could be explained as a Cylon forgery, but between Kara, her personal effects, and the ship, not to forget Baltar's explanation of Kara this episode, it's pretty much doubtless at this point that Kara IS NOT A CYLON OR A HALF-BREED but was resurrected by God/Lords of Kobol.
You people who were complaining that this episode didn't answer any questions are dumbasses... well, maybe not dumbasses, but at the very least your bitching sounds like short-term memory loss or maybe just poor logical reasoning skills.... or both.
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"That episode was suppose to answer questions tonight? "---No, that was Herc's brilliant guess.
Like I said, this episode DID answer questions, it simply didn't spoonfeed them. But hey, if it did, then people would probably be bitching like they did when Anders told the history of the Final Five. -
"Even with Sam suddenly spouting pseudo-gibberish as the Galactica's ad hoc hybrid, no one has been asking the right questions: HOW does he know to recite the "Kara Thrace Harbinger" speech?"--- I assume he is getting it from the Angel he mentioned from two episodes ago.
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-these TB's are more entertaining than the show itsself, and I like this show.
-the autistic kid in the last ep. of St. Elsewhere was holding a snow-globe. Great ending. Much like The Prisoner. Gotta love a finale that invokes thought and emotion.
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I was expecting to hate this episode. Instead, I thought it was great. You people (some at least) are some whiny bitches.
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Thought I'd look back at some of my older favorite eps, and MAN these last 2 seasons aren't even remotely in the same ballpark. Just the way those episodes are constantly moving forward, no pointless or wasted scenes, and the small character moments feel so much more sincere (Like the scene between Apollo and Adama where he gives him the lighter). Somehow, the characters don't feel nearly as well drawn lately. I don't buy Adama as a character anymore, and all these over-acting breakdowns with the paint, and crying wildly, its just so sloppy and melodramatic. The closest thing we got to a great scene tonight was the small exchange with Lee and Kara, that was really good.
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Mar 07, 2009 1:25:44 AM CST
Tai_pan: None of your questions or answers are interesting...
by happyhamster
There is no great insight or reveal in your post of thoughts (though it was a good post). The episode is decidely subpar *by BSG standards*. If this was ep 12 of Season 2, I'd consider it decent.
BUT WE ARE TALKING THE FINAL 4 HOURS OF THE WHOLE F*CKING (NOT FRACKING) SERIES!!!!!
By THAT standard...it kinda sucked ...at least in comparison to what I was expecting. Maybe I expected too much?
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This whole thing is in danger of falling off a cliff, X-files style. Is Ron Moore the new Chris Carter (X-files)?
The more I hear about these random bullsh*t BSG spinoff projects, the more I envision Ron Moore and crew scrambling to hack together some shamble of a script, watered down of all interesting plot points in order to artificially make us "interested" in these bullsh*t spinoff projects they cobbled together halfway through last year.
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Great TB comments above. I should have read more before I posted. So I'm not the only one. This episode, FOR A NEAR **SERIES** FINALE EP...BLEW!
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Seriously...WTF?...previous episode he went bonkers for letting Hera slip away. And now he's vanished. He's up to something!
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That would be fantastic.
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Anyone notice?
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I know there isn't but the pacing of this show is like the pacing of a show that has at least another season.
The remaining 3 hours will have to be so amazingly well paced, dense with story and answers or it could well be a disappointment all round.
RDM apparently doesn't want to repeat the success of DS9 and it's final few eps.
Of course BSG is much better than DS9 on many levels, but it's final season has simply be underwhelming to date and not living up to the high expectations that this show demanded.
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Both top quality shows, hence always getting compared.
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Seems we're the only ones who either noticed or cared that there were old school Cylons at the Colony.
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It's not a huge shock that there were left over old Cylon Ships in a Colony built during the first war. Cavil just took it all along when he moved it.
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in the first place ?
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Mar 07, 2009 5:02:00 AM CST
the Final 5, One True God, Jesusy-Baltar, Starbuck's destiny.
by greenlee
I feel those are elements that the show did not require and I feel that when brought up during an episode, just completely brings it to a halt and it's clear that alot of viewers do not care for. The writers must've known the fans weren't 100% behind those elements but they continued to incorporate and even build into them. These final batch of episodes I feel have been good but they have been held back by that. regarding the pacing of this season. I hope they were building toward the final 3 episodes and I'm looking foward to at least some satisfying resolutions.
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I just hope these last four filler episodes have been so that we can have a kick ass effects-filled finale. Also, Damn You Michael Ebay.
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I recall being disappointed with the end of DS9. The end of the war with the Dominion was great, but they wrecked it with the silliness of magical fire caves, Sisko becoming like the wormhole aliens, and all that stupidity with the Kai and Gul Dukat. I spent the season thinking the Dukat/Kai stuff was going to tie into the war arc, only to have it pop up at the end as some lame add-on so Sisko could fight the bad guy with a magic book. BABYLON 5 had a much better payoff (though it had its share of bad episodes), especially the last couple episodes where they show how everything went for the characters after the main events of the series had been wrapped up. I doubt we'll get that kind of denouement with GALACTICA with only 2 episodes left.
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Most of season 5 could be dropped without missing a thing (eg: all that telepath stuff). The last two episodes were where it really paid off. You could stand to lose a bunch of season 1 as well from what I recall, with a few exceptions that were followed up in later seasons.
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people who watch it like the smell of their own farts. and have been molested by their fathers when they were babies. and they like to squeeze their milkshakes in other people's homes. and like being called Starbuck in bed, and they are depressed subconsciously and have attempted mental suicide once before. what a sad bunch of losers. stargate is ten times better that shit.
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into death only to be reborn. If a viper can be remade, can a battlestar?
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kicks cylon ass!
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Baltar said they know she's not a Cylon because they know who the Cylons are. I don't think he mentioned running a Cylon test.
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My DVR crapped out and I lost last nights episode. Can anyone tell me where to find it online, or post a link where it can be found? I tried Sci-Fi.com last night but the ep isn't up yet. Anyone...?
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...do any other talkbacks have as many whiners who are wrong about the subject? I watched the episode, and as soon as the contemplative ending was over (from that one scene) I thought "It had no space battles, and no WTF moments..the whingers will bring the hate"
My only disappointment with the episode was that Baltar and Thrace didnt talk about the "in heads".
Bring on the final few hours!
As for the whole Lost vs BSG, BSG has the edge as it focuses more on the mood of the characters rather than a plot device bouncing them from one location to the next. I think some will be disappointed with the finale, but only because they have pieced together what will happen.
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...I'm not a Lost hater, it's just this season has been worse than the current Galactica season.
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the promo for the nxt episode is up on youtube for us peeps outwith US, silly scifi not letting anyone see the stuff
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....that AICN is promoting?
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In re-watching the mini-series this week I noticed for the first time that Baltar, in between absorbing the apocalyptic news reports on The Attack and Caprica-Six saving him from the bomb shock-wave, he said, "The must be some way out of here." The use of "here" in the context is pretty weird, it just doesn't fit what the scene presents, but it does fit with the song if you can accept Baltar as "The Joker" an Six as the "Thief". The pairing of the characters is a bit of a stretch, but it was an odd line.
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just finished watching it and have to say it was particularly dull, felt like an acting lesson. Screamed of filler as well, if you missed this episode it wouldnt really affect you going into the last few.
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PLease! lol, DVR died last night.I'll pay you as many cubits as you want.
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BSG is the best thing on television... says a bunch of people who don't even have cable and download BSG to watch it :P
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I thought this was a great episode. No there weren't really any answers, but I thought it was exciting, well acted, and had lots of good moments. At the time I was watching I thought to myself that BSG beat Lost for this week (I'm a Lost fan and thought this week's Lost was good). I seriously thought I'd come on here and read everybody's comments about how great the episode was, like last week's, but everybody's complaining. I remember the last episodes of Angel where everybody where I couldn't see how they were going to tie everything up in just one more 40-minute episode...and then we got the greatest series finale I've ever seen. I think pretty much everything on Galactica has been explained (how the hybrid babies fit in to everything, etc), we just need the in-heads and what Starbuck is explained. That's pretty much it. And I think I can see how it's going to end. There's going to be a huge battle with Cavil, then they're going to settle down on the planet which is going to become our Earth and the cylons and humans are going to learn to live together.
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Did anyone else notice that the Raiders all around her Raptor were of the Old School variety?
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go to hulu or download from here:
http://tinyurl.com/9tlc6b
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Yeah, I twigged they were the old Raiders - but at this stage does that mean anything?
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and then it's all going to happy again.
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Much obliged! I love me some 'crap'....as do most of us on this talkback!!
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Cavil said she will soon have some new playmates. My theory: He's going to clone her. No downloading, just cloning, and because she is a child the clones wouldn't need a copy of Hera's mind, she'll be tabula rasa.
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Yeah, I knew Anders would be a hybrid as soon as he was bald and spouting gibberish. But I wish I WAS an oracle for this show, because I have little idea what's going to happen. I'm having a hard enough time keeping up with what IS happening.
This season has really been hit and miss. Last night's episode I found to be the weakest of the year, and this is coming from someone who thought LAST week's ep was one of the best of the series (incredible directing, writing, editing, acting, etc.).
The Bill Adama meltdowns have become idiotic. They were incredibly well done and powerful the first time (or two), but last night's was just "violent crying fit overload." Who knows, though, maybe Olmos ad-libbed that like he did smashing the ship awhile back. I love the dark nature of the show, but at this point, they should be well beyond the screaming and crying spells. It's time for bleak acceptance.
There are always great things about every episode, and the show itself has been an incredible achievement, but I really feel like they stepped too far out on the ledge with their stream-of-consciousness writing in past sesasons, and now they're frantically trying to make all the loose ends fit, which might be impossible, and the show is suffering for it.
Three hours left to change it. I thought the whole mutiny arc was absolutely incredible. The first episode was quite good, too. But there's just way too much going on now story-wise and way too many holes. I can't imagine how they're going to plug them all up. I think that's what Anders REALLY meant with his "hole in the bucket" song.
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Looking at next weeks preview, I think Galactica is going out wih a bang.
Looks like Adama is asking for voulunteers, I'm hoping it's for an all out attack on Cavil's group to get Hera back. -
(( you know...the girl from blossom ))
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that was just, kinda, there. Whoever started that everything-will-be-answered nonsense does deserve a lot of the blame, because not a thing was answered.
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There's more crying on this talkback than there is in the show. I'm amazed how many of you just don't get it. Earth was going to be the answer to their prayers and it was a total bust. EVERYTHING they had invested in for the past 4 years was centered around Earth. When the fantasy of a happy ending dissolved for them, they had nowhere to go... AND NOTHING LEFT. Hell, Adama was ready to commit suicide! His best friend turned out to be a Cylon and his future was demolished. Then, when he had finally come to terms with ALL of that and tried to move forward, the final things he could count on - his new love (Roslyn) and his own Battlestar both began to DIE. That he is hanging on at all is a testament to the will of the character, but of COURSE he is going to lose it from time to time. It's HUMAN. You "gimme gimme now" types - thank gods you don't run a network because all we'd get is television for the attention impaired - oh LOOK shiny stars! Really, folks, this entire show has been built on showing how these humans (and the human-based Cylons) react to horrors, devastation, and try to hang on to a glimmer of hope. These haven't been "filler" episodes. THESE have been what this show is about, and it's been engaging, riveting and heart-breaking. Last week with Chief and Boomer and this week as Boomer deals with Hera and the emotions she was trying to dispell (and had resurfaced with the Chief) finally break out fully into the open. Filler? Oh my gods, people.
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I'll be pissed. They brought up the whole projection thing and no one thinks, "hey maybe we should try that with Anders?"However, I'm guessing that we get a pretty badass battle either next week or for the final 2 hours. Hopefully it will make the rescue on New Caprica look lame in comparison!
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Your complaint is ridiculous. Read it again: "BUT WE ARE TALKING THE FINAL 4 HOURS OF THE WHOLE F*CKING (NOT FRACKING) SERIES!!!!!
By THAT standard...it kinda sucked"---If you had said you dsliked the episode based on the episode's merits, I would have respected that. Even if you had said you didn't care for the episode as it compared to the previous episodes inSeason 4, I could respect that...
But you have no fuckin' clue how well/poorly this episode works in the context of episodes that HAVEN'T EVEN AIRED YET.
That's clairvoyant asshattery, my friend. Maybe in three weeks you could make that argument to me and have some semblance of credibility, but as far as I'm concerned you're talking out of your ass... and acknowleding it, too. -
Since it has been established that jumping in close vicinity is bad, shouldn't New Caprica have been vaporized when the Galactica jumped right above it?
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It's surprising to see Old School Cylons because Athena said they had all been scrapped except for the Guardians of the Old Hybrid.
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Ellen is smart again. Yay. Wonder why she didn't have that conversation 5 minutes after she returned?
Turns out the coup leaders were right. Cylon goo fracked the ship and now it can be Cylon controlled.
Adama and Rosyln smoke a doobie for 15 minutes.
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Boomer is going to walk into the Cylon "command center" and shoot Cavil a few times similar to the way she shot Adama at the end of Season 1. It's perfectly set up for that.
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I don't know if anyone's brought this up but in "Revelations" I thought it was revealed that the writers were attempting to write about existensialism. Whether our own reality has happenned before or not. With all of the clues that have been given, this BSG is another cycle of thousands of years. I even believe that the story line is in continuity with the original BSG. I started off the series thinking that it was a modern re-telling or sequel to the original BSG. What if this BSG is another 'reset' of humans & cylons. The same idea presented in "The Matrix". The song lyrics, "There is got to be some way out of here", refers to the thousand year cycle from repeating itself.
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"Baltar said they know she's not a Cylon because they know who the Cylons are. I don't think he mentioned running a Cylon test."---- That's necessarily implied. He said she didn't resurrect; he would have to run a test to know that she didn't resurrect.
Also, he looked at her blood under a microscope. We know from Season 2 that Baltar discovered Hera's blood was different from human blood.
Therefore, Starbuck is NOT a Cylon nor a half-breed. By implication, #7 is NOT her father.
"Since it has been established that jumping in close vicinity is bad, shouldn't New Caprica have been vaporized when the Galactica jumped right above it?"--- Well, there was a huge gust of wind that blasted through the encampment that fucked some of the colony up. Before, we assumed that was just a gust of wind. Now it is debateable via retconning.
Also, we don't know how close you have to be to create that dimpling effect. Boomer was right on top of it. Galactica may have been too far from the ground.
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I don't know if anyone's brought this up but in "Revelations" I thought it was revealed that the writers were attempting to write about existensialism. Whether our own reality has happenned before or not. With all of the clues that have been given, this BSG is another cycle of thousands of years. I even believe that the story line is in continuity with the original BSG. I started off the series thinking that it was a modern re-telling or sequel to the original BSG. What if this BSG is another 'reset' of humans & cylons. The same idea presented in "The Matrix". The song lyrics, "There is got to be some way out of here", refers to the thousand year cycle from repeating itself. The original BSG series failed to complete itself and therefore I'm to assume that unity between Cylons & Human failed. The cycle reset and that is why we get the same character names. Starbuck turned into an angel. Baltar corrupted mankind. Adama and Galactica are there. That leads me to wonder about old school Cylons appearing in the new series. (Cylons on irradiated Earth & Raiders flying with Starbuck in the Nebula) The reason Hera is so important is that she represents unity between Cylon and Man. This may break the cycle.
We saw the LED spines twice. When Athena was impregnated by Helo. Second was with Caprica 6 and Baltar. I believe Caprica 6 was in love with Baltar and was successfully impregnated. It was later confirmed that she was resurrected thus losing her baby. This makes love and free will an important aspect to breaking the cycle. -
With Anders as a hybrid, he is can once again share his memories/knowledge to assist in breaking the cycle.But more importantly, he can use all available technology that is at his disposal - with the upgrades, there's more to the Galactica than meets the eye.
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The Galactica is a Transformer?
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Do they know where he is?
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This is my best guess at the ending. It isn’t based upon a thorough review of the episodes, just my spotty memory in consultation with Jack Daniels.
1. Some entity is leaving a trail through All Along the Watchtower and the Hybrid babbling. Whether this is God, Count Iblis, the glowing orbs from the original series, or the ghosts of Lorne Greene and Jemi Hendrix is unknown. Best guess (for reasons below) are the “Lords of Kobol,” a common ancestor of both the humans and cylons.
2. Kobol had it’s own man/machine problems, but figured it out and have interbred to the point that there is no distinction between hybrid/human/cylon. They don’t want their “children” bringing the old man v. machine problem back to their doorstep. Thus, their signal is only picked up by hybrids. If human/cylons are mating, it’s a sign they aren’t still killing each other.
3. Their signal is only detectable by hybrids, whether the ones in the baseship (whom as later gen, can’t fully discern it), Hera or Starbuck (assuming Daniel is father). The final 5, being a generation closer to Kobol, are also attuned to the signal but can’t fully discern it (why the final 5 respond to Watchtower, but no other cylons do).
5. As masters of resurrection tech, Kobol can pull the essence of anyone in the series. They usually don’t, instead resurrecting them on their planet (kind of like Heaven). So, all the dead characters are hanging out waiting for somebody to figure out the signal and join them.
6. Starbuck was the exception, sent back to try and help guide the fleet to the Lords of Kobol. We’ve got a nice New Testament allegory going now.
4. So how does this end? Well, the fleet has Starbuck, the Cylons have Hera, so everyone has their own full human/cylon hybrid receiver. Are we on a collision course as both sides trace the signal and end up at the same place? What do they find? Do they find the “heaven,” along with every single person who’s died resurrected (Adama’s son, Kat, Gaeta, Dee?), and everyone lives happily ever after? That would an interesting (albeit a little hokey, but fitting given the bleakness of the series) ending, and turn BSG into a sci-fi version of Pilgrims’ Progress.
Again, just my best guess, let the finding of holes and shooting down begin…
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I feel like she was ressurected by God himself and He made her a new ship. In the "Nebula" episode, there was a CG shot going into the Milky Way and then focusing in on our Earth. Starbuck had pics to prove she flew past Saturn and Jupiter. The CG shot can be seen as going through a wormhole into an 'alternate reality'. This and the rumored shot of Caprica 6 in Times Square may be their final destination.........Also I'm guessing everyone assumes that Galactica will jump to the Cylon colony because Hera moved her toy/model there on the strategy map.
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Not a bad theory, but I believe some of the stars have leaked that the ending is pretty bleak.
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You've posted the most intelligent and well thought out posts so far. Thank you for bringing the voice of reason to this otherwise brainless talkback.
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and will happen again. I knew everyone would complain about it, even though there was an airlocking! But this definitely set up the emotional stakes for the final episodes, so this episode does need to be seen in context. The one complaint I do agree with is that Adama's breakdown was one too many. I remember how devastating that first breakdown was. But maybe it's just his process. I just wish they found another way to show Adama reaching his decision to abandon ship, which, HELLO, is one of the biggest developments of the show. Last I checked, the ship's name is the TITLE of the SHOW! So, people bitching about nothing happening are frakkin' idiots. Thanks for keeping us sane, Tai Pan!
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Mar 07, 2009 12:32:35 PM CST
Tai_Pan: Sorry. I can't just pretend we are NOT near series end
by happyhamster
You can. I can't. And for that matter, neither can most of the people posting here.
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Mar 07, 2009 12:34:34 PM CST
DarthScotland: "if you missed this episode it wouldnt really aff
by happyhamster
Exactamundo. And THAT friends is the real problem with these last couple of eps.
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Mar 07, 2009 12:37:08 PM CST
"if you missed this episode it wouldnt really affect you going i
by happyhamster
DarthScotland's quote got cut off.
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Mar 07, 2009 12:44:10 PM CST
cool tidbit.. anyone notice the raider at "the colony"
by murdermostfowl
When Boomer was landing, did anyone notice the old school cylon raider parked across from her? I think there might have been 2 actually. I always liked that design, and wasn't a big fan of the "floating head" designs of the new series, though I learned to accept it. :)
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SGA had an alternate episode in las vegas, then the next and last episode showed atlantis defend earth and had part of Area 51 destroyed by kamikaze fighters and after that atlantis landed in san Fransisco...what more can you ask for? all i see is that pathetic BSG is swimming in tears--and they aint gonna land in san fran! hahahaha
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...there is no sense of building towards anything. They've had plenty of time to set this up and end it already. In fact this second half of S4 was all added on to the original episode count. Then they added two hours to the finale. Back when that announcement was made, I was happy; but now I feel like the show has just been strung out, for the sake of Sci-Fi channel ratings and extra DVD sales.
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has hurt the show.
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sounds like a porno
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Mar 07, 2009 1:12:33 PM CST
Cylons weren't the only ones who didn't have a long term plan
by longtimereaderfirsttimeposter
I should caveat my ending theory by stating that I don't expect the show to end that way, and that I haven't listened to any podcasts or cast interviews for insight. It is based on the premise that the writers actually had the series story outlined from the beginning.
Ever since this series wandered away from the original “last vestiges of humanity fleeing genocide” storyline, it’s felt like the writers have been making it up as they go. Part of the blame may be SciFi trying to milk the show by breaking it up, but as other posters have pointed out, these last episodes don’t feel like they are building towards an epic conclusion. With the exception of the mutiny, they are just there. So far, they have managed to lower my expectations for a brilliant, satisfying ending to the point that the last episodes may actually exceed them.
That said, the series was well worth watching for its brilliant moments (miniseries, first season, rescue from New Caprica, Pegasus, Garek/Gaeda mutiny), and interesting characters, but I wonder how well in the series storyline will hold up once complete.
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you know when you take a dump in ur yard and leave ur shit outside for centuries- you begin to see it turn into dust and them the wind blows it away into other people's faces. thats BSG right there.
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yep.
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or have the last 2 episodes dragged a bit towards the finale?
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. – NASA's planet-hunting telescope, Kepler, rocketed into space Friday night on a historic voyage to track down other Earths in a faraway patch of the Milky Way galaxy. Kepler, named after the German 17th century astrophysicist, set off on its unprecedented mission at 10:49 p.m., thundering into a clear sky embellished by a waxing moon. The goal is to find, if they exist, Earth-like planets circling stars in the so-called habitable zone — orbits where liquid water could be present on the surface of the planets. (AP)
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It regards to the Old school cylons, back in the miniseries, when 6 revealed to Baltar of the impending Cylon attack, he made a references to "toasters", and she replied "those models are still around, they have their uses"...And as Ellen said, they worked with the Old Cylons to bring them Resurrection technology. There really isn't any reason for them not to be there. I assume that when an old cylon dies, it would have resurrected as a new one...Yes we will see them again, but i believe the part is small.(cameo only)
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The episode title comes from a book by Herny Beston - "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world islanded in its stream of stars— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time." The episode was about the characters coming to terms with their mortality and becoming okay with it. The Galactica is dying, Rosalin is dying, Kara Thrace is already dead, Adama is trying to deal with all of it. The entire episode was about letting go and accepting what is to come. If that isn't appropriate for the second to last episode, what is?
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OK... so it's going to be "not with a bang; but with a whimper."
That's definitely a suitable explanation; but the Galactica whimper has just not been all that compelling. And that's unfortunate because the show started with some great potential. There have been some definite high points; but they have spent many episodes, throughout the run, on saying lots of words that do not further the story or the characters. -
I'm not sure that the show is going to go out with a whimper. I think the ending will be big (fingers crossed) and that we are going to look back at all these "pointless filler" episodes and find that they really were essential. I'm not saying I loved last night's episode (it did feel fillerish), but it left me with the feeling that all of these plotlines are going to come together in a satisfying way. I still have hope.
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This misandrist, misanthropic, boring, miserable turd of a show if finally ending! Thank God. Maybe we can wash it clean and do a proper reimagining of BSG. There's still time!
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No, really, NOBODY noticed that Boomer jumped really close to Jupiter???
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Anders is now connected in a way the rest of the Five are not.Anders can (and I predict he will) jump the ship whenever he wants, wherever he wants. And he can probably find where Cavil moved the colony.Hera's play scene with the Galactica moving into the nest of cylon ships is going to happen.And it's going to be good!
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Starbuck returned in a pristine Viper. A pristine Galactica is conceivable.
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and her breakdowns are his, and vice versa. We have seen Excalibur.We do NOT need any more floor-flopping, wallowing, weeping, drooling breakdowns to GET that. We GOT it.I know all the eps are in the can, so it is futile to say it. But jeeeez......
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was luminous and flawlessly done, saying so much without speaking a word.It ranks up there with Tigh's "not all of em" when returning from New Caprica.Those are emmy-worthy moments, and all Olmos's drunken-drooling breakdown scenes pale in comparison.
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I feel have been meant to serve to get the audience emotionally attached or invested in the characters before the big events start happening and we see who lives or dies. for example, the Ellen, Boomer and maybe Caprica-Six characters. Before their own character centric episodes this season, i didnt care what happened to them, but now I've gotten attached and am curious what their resolutions will be. in that area, I think the show has done it's job to get the audience invested (in a way unlike before) before the series finale.
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Roveache, it was a gas giant planet. That doesn't mean that it was Jupiter. You couldn't see the large storm that is one of Jupiter's defining characteristics, so it probably was a different, generic gas giant.
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Man, I love me a good article tit.
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Lame
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and everyone is back on Caprica at the end, I'll be really pissed.
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My pun was intended. If you saw the show, the Cylon resin and Anders have drastically transformed the Galactica. We are about to see to what degree.In addition, although the ship is dying, the Cylons CAN save it. Adama has decided to dismantle it because of what it will become if they do. With Hybrid Anders plugged into it along with the resin, along with his stream of consciousness which now includes Cylon prophecies, the Galactica is in the state of becoming (i.e transforming) into an unknown quantity as far as Adama is concerned.
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...his memories/knowledge" is what I meant to say in prior post.Let's not forget the Cylon raiders turning back after Anders was eye scanned. Now with (with Anders as a hybrid) they have a much better way to communicate!
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MattInTheHat and yours truly posted about using resurrection technolgy in recreating battlestars and vipers in last weeks TB.You might want to go over there and take a look. MattInTheHatt has some cool insights IMHO.
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apologies for missing your post last week.and it seems Hybrid(s) will Matter, though not in the way I first purveyed.
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If (probably will happen) the Galactica shows up in front of the Cylon colony with Anders-Hybrid at the helm they probably won't attack him like they did before.
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No apologies necessary, Chromedome. Heck I wouldn't still be posting here anyhow you and a few other were not still traversing the BSG board.Regarding the Hybrid Theory, TPTB would've had to pay you and AICN if they used your theory as totally purveyed. Your Hybrid theory has played out but with certain modifications. IMHO the main theme of your theory was that Hybrids will be key players in the end game.That is happening and WILL happen with Anders!
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I wouldn't still be posting here if you and a few other were not still traversing the BSG board - bad/lazy Saturday editing on my part.
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I've been saying that for the last two years.
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the raiders will attack now. Calvil has been boxing, lobotomizing and reprograming everything and everyone who doesn't agree with his world view. If not just outright elimating.
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eliminating*
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To the previous poster about the Gas Giant being Jupiter and the other being a generic gas giant, I say its the "REAL DEAL". I believe Cavil and the crew are in the Milky way...and so is the REAL EARTH. The "OTHER EARTH" didn't even have a moon...It's too obvious not to be Jupiter, especially when there are 2 episodes left....
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What was that shit all about? It didn't even get a payoff.
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another wasted episode, another temper tantrum by adama, starbuck becomes a girl, more retconning...
1 good thing, old school cylon raiders. but that part will go nowhere too.
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There doesn't have to be traitors, firefights, and explosions every damn week for fracks sake!
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I watched THE WIRE start to finish, all five seasons over the course of last year, and found myself wondering how painful it would be to watch it in weekly installments...now I know.
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began out there, far across the universe.
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The planet shown in the episode has no large storm eye, the banding on the planet doesn't really look like Jupiter, and the nearby star shown in the scene is far too large to be our Sun. Sorry, but it doesn't appear to be Jupiter.
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This show was all about action in the miniseries and first season. Now, it's just people weeping.
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You mean "solar system" (our local system of planets centered on the sun), not "Milky Way" (our galaxy, where BSG clearly takes place).
I'd love for you to be right, but when the fleet found Earth earlier this season, they verified the constellations matched the Temple Of Athena...the show's science advisor knows that that's the next best thing to a fingerprint. Go even one system over (Alpha Centauri), and it wrecks the star patterns.
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That wasn't Jupiter.
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....My three seasons of DVDs are a waste.
Everyone seems to be acting so stupid now...and it is because the plot must facilitate it.
Ellen should have been debriefed for weeks. The Colony should not have been a surprise.
Another Adama crying scene? I had all I could take when he slobbered on Lee.
Are there no other stalls with latches on them? Did I really wait 6 years to watch Starbuck pee?
Is it too late to box the entire line of 8's? Doral? I know you're on my side.
I'm just disappointed. I've waited so long and it seems as if they're waiting for something. If it weren't for the fact we have two eps left, this would have been when I quit the show for good. The smoking light is out and the scotch is all gone. -
"I can't just pretend we are NOT near series end"--- You also can't pretend to have seen the last three hours of the show.
"It regards to the Old school cylons, back in the miniseries, when 6 revealed to Baltar of the impending Cylon attack, he made a references to "toasters", and she replied "those models are still around, they have their uses""--- Yeah, we know. The toasters have since been upgraded. Given what Athena said about the old Cylons being scrapped, it was logical to assume that Six was only mentioning the new models.
Tbranson: Starbuck coming back from the dead because of the Lords of Kobol is extremely interesting to me... though your amazing critique of "lame" IS hard to counter since it sounds like something a 12-year-old might say. I'm quite glad she isn't just a run-of-the-mill Cylon resurrrection, myself. The God/Lords aspect of the show is what separates it from a lot of bad sci-fi, IMO. -
He ducked down behind Six when the nuke hit near his house. Next we see him running to the Raptor. How did he survive that?
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Six didn't survive the blast but Baltar did? Guess that old "duck and cover" really works!
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Whatever the outcome, you can always go back to the early seasons and enjoy their awesomeness.
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with only 2 (3) episodes left, im worried that the big answers to a lot of peoples questions are going to be either contrived or ambiguous. The only thing thats saving me right now is the fact that I love the characters. These actors and writers have made me believe in bill, laura, kara, lee and saul. Ive related to these characters for years now and to see them going through what they are going through makes me feel "happy and sad" at the same time. but if the truth about the universe they exist in becomes some lazy after-thought by a couple of rich guys who have other projects to worry about, then i will be extremely angry. if theres anyone on the inside who can just let us know if this will end good or bad, please, help a brother out.
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I've watched most of BSG on the DVD sets, only really watching this season live, and it makes a GIANT difference. People complain about season 3 like it was atrocious and I think it was by far the best season.
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...And Baltar is a descendant of Indiana Jones. The revelations never cease...
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I've never watched a show that revealed a lot before the last 2-3 hours. "Lost" does it every season. I'm not surprised that this show is doing a lot of character study this late in the game. They don't want to give the show away all at once.
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I call it "The Potato Chip Effect"...you can't have one in a single sitting.
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Mar 07, 2009 8:18:12 PM CST
Since Earth we've only had three episodes with real story
by lockesbrokenleg
The one with them on Earth. The Cylon one, and the Starbuck one.
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What with the Cylon Fix-It Goo (tm), enough skinjobs to stage a Broadway revue, and now their own home-built Hybrid (they probably had a copy of "Hooking Your Damaged Brain Up to a Starship for Dummies" on hand), that's what it's turning into.
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I think this last half of Season 4 has been modeled somewhat on the stages of grief, with last night being about "acceptance". However they want to finish this thing they needed the characters to accept whatever they have to do next. Thus Starbuck accepts that she died, and Adama accepts the fate of his ship.
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Have a few endings in mind, though I do like the one I read earlier about the 8's giving everyone hand jobs, truly a "happy ending"
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Those 12 shitheads have been nothing but whiners.
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Is to keep watching. There's only 2 more weeks left so you might as well just keep watching.
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They will just be. And if the humans/cylons land on our earth and spawn our race, the Heads will still just be there, just existing and influencing people who see them.
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I wonder what the heck he meant by that. Load the Galactica up with nukes and FTL it one more time right up Cavil's ass? It's gotta be something involving explosions.
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So, this will probably be redundant. While skimming the TB, I see a lot of posts complaining about this episode. Stop. It may not seem like much happened, but it's pretty obvious there was a lot of setup for the finale here. Just remember DS9. The beachhead in Cardassian space that gave the Alpha Quadrant fleet access to Cardassia didn't happen until the final two hour finale. There is still plenty of time for them to give us the answers we're looking for. RDM has said that our questions will be answered, and I see no reason to expect he's lying. He's simply building the tension, and given the response here, it's working. Believe me, no one will be as pissed as I will be if he doesn't provide the answers he's promised. Allow me a quick anecdote. I decided to rewatch The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford this evening. I recall that the first time I watched the film I was wondering if they were going to have Robert Ford murder James in the opening scene of the film where they're waiting prior to the Blue Cut train robbery. I kept waiting for Ford to pull out his gun and shoot James. I assumed the structure of the film would show us the murder, and then the rest of the film would be flashbacks leading up to Ford killing James. Analogous to, say, The Usual Suspects where we see Soze killing Keaton and then the rest of the film consists mostly of flashbacks leading up to the event. Killing a character like that in the beginning, however, doesn't allow you time to become invested in the characters and their actions. Keaton's death at the beginning of The Usual Suspects really doesn't have much of an effect on the audience, other than to cause mild curiosity perhaps, because we haven't been exposed to Keaton previously to understand his character. That's all they're doing currently on BSG. Elucidating the situation fully so that when the shit DOES hit the fan, which it will start to next week, we are fully invested and aware of the situation and the stakes in the conflict. All you have to wait is two weeks. Shut the fuck up, sit back, and wait. It's coming. Soon.
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a musical montage wrapping up all the characters.
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Gawd almighty was that film, like, ten hours long or something? I've tried watching it a few times but man. How long can you watch guys sitting around a dinner table giving each other meaningful glances. That thing could've been half an hour shorter at least and would've been much improved.
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A good ending will go a long way to making up for the slow pacing of the final episodes. Given the show's track record with two part episodes, there is reason to be cautiously optimistc that the next two weeks will kick ass. The more I think about it, the more I blame SciFi for breaking up the last season. The break just killed the story's momentum at a key point, and these episodes may have had more weight if shown coming right after the gut punch of radioactive Earth instead of months later when the impact had worn off and we're all geared up for "all to be revealed in the end". So, I'll watch the final episodes (like I'd stop now), then watch the final season again without the break before passing final judgment.
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She's the "God".
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I know. I get paranoid sometimes that my investment in this show (i watch very few) isnt going to pay off. I am hopefull in the fact that eike said he wrote the ending about the characters, so in that aspect it should pay off. i just dont like unanswered questions in my science fiction.
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Mar 07, 2009 11:09:41 PM CST
A few endings to great series have been disappointing...
by reportabuse
Deadwood (not bad but it felt like something was missing), Carnivale (ending on a cliffhanger intro to the next season which never frakking arrived), lessee what else ... John from Cincinnati (ditto) ... anybody anticipating The L Word finale?
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I actually did just that. I got behind in season 4.0 and so DVR'd everything from about episode 5 or 6 and didn't get back to it until just before 4.5 picked up. Then I plowed through them all in time for the new (half) season and I have been riding the 'nuked' Earth reveal ever since. This has been a helluva ride.
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Congratulations on completely missing the point, douchebags.
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I guess we'll see in the next few hours of TV what is really happening. I haven't watched the latest, just about to. I'll recap what I said I think: I think the easiest way to justify resurrecting both a half-bred Cylon (Starbuck) AND her Viper (unprecedented on the show!) without throwing in something mystical is to say the original resurreciton tech that was stolen from the Gods could recreate any tech. It's been described as "Gods Fire". The F5 received this tech from someone who is pulling the strings and took this tech from the Gods, but the F5 only got enough info to resurrect themselves, i.e. a pre-defined template. The F5 then passed this on to the Colonial Cylons by creating the O8 (then 7, now 6). But the O8 got even less info and now cant rebuild the limited resurrection tech that they had. So whoever is pulling the strings has the full suite of technology, making them god-like, just like the Lords of Kobol. Remember every other culture missed something: either no FTL, no resurrection tech, etc. The "Gods" had the lot, thus making them god-like. If you couldnt die, could project your conciousness and move around the universe in an instant and could remake anything you sampled, that would make you sufficiently god-like to most cultures. I also add my theory that demons, angels and gods/lords are not supernatural in the context of this TV show, as Pythia described an #8 as a "lower demon". Therefore the angel (Starbuck) is a real person, and therefore also were the Gods/Lords, albeit with the aforesaidmentioned powers. Of course, could all be a pile of shit.
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Just to add to my previous post: The Starbuck resurrection thing for me is one of the major points that must be addressed, it's totally unprecedented in the show (AFAIK)... no other resurrections return a body with clothes, jewelery and spaceship in pristine condition! It was like nothing ever seen before or since. And the story since would clearly indicate that neither the F5 or O8 know what Starbuck is or what made it happen. I can live with a lot of unanswered questions but that one would need to be sorted for the show to make any sense to me. Just saing "she's half Cyclon" doesnt cut it, because NO Cylon, F5 or O8 has ever resurrected like Starbuck did.
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If you are to believe Baltar's sermon, then they are pretty much some kind of "angel". Whether that means they are spirits, projections, whatever- I think that this episode means it's up to you to decide. Starbuck must be a similar idea Did she come back from the dead? Definitely: Baltar's test proved that. The blood WAS Kara Thrace's. Unless we get a last-minute "whatthefuck" to finally clear up what the hell happened to her on Caprica, we gotta take it on faith.
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Did anyone wonder if the old-school raiders in the colony were a subtle hint about where Starbuck's ship came from?
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Now and Again also had a crappy, cliffhanger ending due to getting canceled.
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watch SGU instead when it airs. it got dinosaurs! but u didnt hear that from me.
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Will die like the dinosaurs. It's the next Enterprise. The SG franchise has been raped, murdered, and raped again.
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I think there's a bit more to their story than just angels. I think Baltar calling them angels is just his way of weaving his little HeadSix into his new cult's philosophy. There may still be a final twist in the last three hours. And OF COURSE that's Kara's corpse down on the planet. Still doesn't explain what New Kara is. Although it was nice for her to finally mourn her own passing.
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Stargate hasn't been Stargate in years. MacGyver retired and they turned it into Fargate. Then they added Stargate Canadian. Now they're giving us Stargate...Well Not REALLY Stargate Just Some Ship.
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I prefer to call it Stargate: Voyager. That should conjure up the proper feelings of complete indifference and mediocrity.
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Why is Hera important? To the humans I mean. I understand that she is the future for the Cylons. But why does she matter to humans exactly? We can still procreate just fine.
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Sums up the entire show really, the Cylons will eventually die off, they now cannot resurrect or procreate. The filthy hu-maans now need rebuild and kill them off.
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I gave up on this after Lee gave up being a fighter pilot to go into Politics. Stupid.
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Kara technically flies a viper, but when was the last time we saw her in one?
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No, none of us watch, it's all just a dream. Rest assured that you remain the ultimate taste barometer and that shows live or die based upon your pronouncements.
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And this talkback contains just two people using many usernames.
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It must pain you to know the Final Five is the amount of fans they have left watching this garbage.
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(Smacking buttons on calculator)
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First you stopped by to let us all know you stopped watching because we were all wondering, and then you came back to see if anyone responded.You're welcome. I'd give you a hug if you were here right now.
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...are posting on this talkback.
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...that people watch this show then come on here to tell us all how much they hate it..then watch it again the following week, and come on here to tell us all how much they hate it...then watch the following episode....you see what i'm getting at here?
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he did it.
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Think positive about this, at least when you go to your next BSG convention, there won't be any lineups!
I mean, that's a plus right there!
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stupid drama queen BSG FAIL! now u guys go suck alan moore's dick.
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I will watch SGU when it airs and am holding out hope for it to be good because (and this next part might blow your mind and the minds of the people you argue with about Stargate versus BSG on a weekly basis in this talkback) I enjoy both.It's true I enjoy Battlestar Galactica AND Stargate.
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I apologize man. I thought it was a rule that you had to be rude to post here.
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...that I have found these last 3 episodes a tad slow (although when Kara started playing All Along the Watchtower that fucking ruled!) It was like we had that one episode that had like an entire season's worth of information crammed into and hour and then followed that up with 3 hours that lean toward filler. 3 of the last 5 ever makes it kind of unacceptable. I don't think honestly think I could have taken seeing another scene of the cylon work crew wiping the goop on the walls.That said I still have high hopes for Daybreak. I'm currently planning to save part one on my DVR for a week and watch all 3 hours together at once.
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I should say the previous 2. I found this week's pretty enjoyable overall outside of the goop wiping scenes.
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Or has that already been done, even though found "not guilty"? I don't recall his full complicity in the Cylon attacks ever being revealed.
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1- plot points that made no sense in the first place being dragged out- final five, Starbuck, Hera etc. CHECK
2- Most fans disappointed CHECK
3- Half Dozen defenders of show say it all makes sense no matter what happens CHECK
4- Crappy Neon Genesis Evangelion/ Sopranos ending Looming CHECK
5- SCIFI milking mess into more pointless series of ret-conned bullshit trying to hold onto the BSG Mystique from S1 & 2 (the good seasons CHECK
6- So glad I checked out of watching this mess after S3- PRICELESS- CHECK!!!!
7- Hilarious talkback after another shitty epsiode CHECK
I was out of town all weekend, and couldnt wait to catch up on the episode via this talk back- it's better than the writing on the show- have a great week Daggits! -
Love the show, realy, but these few episodes seem to focus only on extremely overacted moments of despair. Just give us some more plot, and less overacting. Ty very much.
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...you've got to the point where it is obvious that you are fishing here, with your BSG hate as your bait.
We get that you don't like this show. Now is the time to move on. Christ..if you actually have any ex-girlfriends I bet they have changed their phone numbers and moved away just to get away from your whining. -
According to Bear McCreary's blog there was a scene deleted from this episode where the Chief is arrested and put in the brig for his crimes. Bear scored it, but it was cut from the show, but will be on the DVD extended episode.
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You weenie, Neon Genesis had a great ending (the movie, not the episode, obviously).
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The Starbuck mystery MUST be answered in Daybreak and not at a later date such as The Plan TV movie.
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so which is it, did you stop watching after season 2 or 3 or have you been watching the new season (either on t.v. or the internet) and hating every mintue of it? i dont understand why you would be on this talkback if your not watching. and if you are watching and hating it, then you seriously do not get out enough. why would anyone waste their time on a television show that they dont like. it only proves that you have nothing better to do than to sit on your computer and argue with a bunch of strangers. then again, here i am being pulled into your vortex of negativity. fuck it. im going outside.
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...daylight saving time! Remember it's Spring FORWARD. :-)
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Wow, who the heck are they paying to edit this show? Instead of showing something that advances the story, like the Chief being arrested for helping Boomer, we get crap like yet-another Bill Adama emotional breakdown scene? How sad.
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...to know what happened to Chief Tyrol or having to read kentrel's post to find out.CHECK.Thanks, kentrel! I was wondering what the deal was with Chief after last week's "baby momma" misadventures. They really left us hanging there.
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in sliders they had that thingy that was always getting lost, broken or stolen. It had a countdown until they had to slide and opened the portal.
The new stargate will be similar in that the ship will be in range of whatever for so long until it jumps or whatever.
So there'll always be a beat the clock vibe
I enjoyed both SG1 and Atlantis. Not high drama, but they created rules and stuck to them. And they were fun actioneers.
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Back to DVDs.
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BSG fell off the cliff in the second half of season 3, I just like watching the talkbacks on line, and I wouldnt waste the time to watch an episode these days. It's obvious from the confusion and hate towards the show (and sad attempts to rationalize the bad writing) , and the lame personal attacks at me ( I dont like a poorly writen Television show, so I must have problems relating to women- interesting) , that it's much worse now than it ever was. I'm coming to the talk backs now to kick BSG on out the door after showing so much promise back in 2003 with the great mini and the first 2.5 seasons. This show will shit on all the fans as it ends, just like it has been for some time now. If this post annoys you, then you are one of the few remaining deluded fans that still buys into the shitty "gotcha" writing and ret-con garbage plots.
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i hate the fact that a stupid show like BSG gets a talkback while others like stargate dont. BSG is just sensationalist turd that is aimed at children.
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How did that movie ever get THREE TV series?
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So you thought you would come on here every week after every episode since Series 3 and trash the show?
You clearly either have an agenda against the creators and writers, or you are continuing your rants in an attempt to be noticed and to increase your own self importance. Anyway, I'm done for this week, your OCPD is beginning to bore me. -
cool first movie, but anyone who seriously likes stargate the tv show over BSG is boring and contrived because thats what that show is. the few times ive attempted to watch it have ended with me either asleep or pissed off that i was wasting my time. but i didnt go into a stargate talkback to trash it. oh wait, there are no stargate talkbacks because the fans are either very few in numbers or unable to read and write. diox and deckard (i think your the same person), now that i know what kind of entertainment you find "entertaining", all your opinions are null and void.
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Every episode is pretty much the same. No one dies. And the visuals are really cheesy.
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If Kara is the daughter of Daniel, then she is the first human-Cylon hybrid, not Hera. Therefore, she is literally the harbinger of death, the first in this cycle of everything happening before and again to be born out of love and not resurrection. Once the Earth Cylons started reproducing, resurrection fell by the wayside and they started to die.
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BSG is a slave to the trends.
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The first act was almost over and the directed by credit flashed on the screen.
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Lost has the longest opening credits sequence. They have so many characters that the show is 15 minutes in before you even get to the guest-stars for that episode.
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You seriously had me until your last two posts. I see now you're doing some sort of satire.I mean I already admitted that I enjoy both BSG and Stargate (and own all the season of BSG, SG1, and Atlantis currently available on DVD) but wow... BSG is aimed at children, eh? Children LOVE exposition heavy stories of politics, religion, ethics, etc. and Stargate is ahead of it's time because no one has ever made a sci fi show before where a crew encounters a new alien race or threat of some sort every week and wraps it up within a hour through the use of technobabble. I mean other than, you know, 90% of them ever.But seriously you had me going for a few weeks so congratulations.
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Forgot about the whole "leading humanity to its end" part.
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stargate is ahead of its time, how? well take a look: bladerunner was also said to be ahead of its time but it used storytelling techniques that were so old like film noir. same thing for stargate...it has an old way of telling a story but modified to allow its contemporary elements and high-end concepts. you could say stargate does recycle old storys but it does a better job at telling them. much like bladerunner.
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It maybe interesting to you, but to suddenly have mystical beings resurrecting characters would be "lame" to me. Please no deus ex machina explanation.
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..not for the concept of the gate though (seemed a lazy plot device) but for using the modern (for the time) theory that the Pharaohs were Aliens who built the pyramids.
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With the two guys from Flight of The Conchords singing their "The Humans Are Dead" robot song.
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Mar 08, 2009 5:59:35 PM CDT
The aliens who built pryamids thing has been around forever
by lockesbrokenleg
It was even used on the 1970s BSG.
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its the world you want to live in which consequently is the same world you are living in. it forms this perplexing reality in your head where you begin to think that yes the pyramids were built by aliens, yes there is a stargate, and yes we saved the galaxy from evil gods. and all this was possible thanks to the stargate. not because of NASA or nuclear war, or Genesis, or Google. no, just a stargate.
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..which is dismissive to a whole group of people.The pyramids WERE built by an advanced civilization but they are called EGYPTIANS. The only thing alien was the non-Egyptians who stumbled upon the pyramids - their minds were alien to Egyptian pyramid building know how.
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Chariot of the Gods, which was, what, the 60s? Not that modern of a theory.
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the Jews, not the Egyptians ;)
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Mar 08, 2009 8:59:39 PM CDT
Re : I don't think HeadSix and HeadBaltar will be explained
by real deal
Not only would this not make sense it's being set up. You can tell. They're the " Angels " that have been discussed already in the storyline. There has to be a 3rd party that's responsible for Starbuck and her viper being duplicated. I'm guessing they are advanced beings ( Lords of Kobol? ) that are manipulating things. Another possiblity is that it has something to do with " Daniel " however I think what's been done is a little much for just a cylon. But there is another force at work here that has yet to be revealed. It's already been hinted at with Baltar's speech about angels. To not explain this stuff and SB just came back and that's the way it is would really piss off the fans ( me included ) but I think the show runners realize that and are too smart for that.
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Hey man, plot points that make no sense, and are "retro explained" and then defended by the hard core "Kool Aid" drinkers are what the writers and SCI-FI network have left- the rank and file fan base quit this shit when Tigh became a Cylon/ Final Five nonsense parked into the end of season 3.
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Is okay. But it's pretty hilarious how they spend half the episode sitting around that coffee table.
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Sorry but I think there have been clues to what's really going on all along. One of the cast said in an interview about the ending " It'll make you want to go back and watch the miniseries ".
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So you've been visiting talkbacks about a show you hate. Thats so stupid. Fanboy hate in ACIN Talkbacks can be so bitchy its sad. Grow up.
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An provocative but slightly wacky idea but not relegated only to Von Daniken nor (I think) invented by him. Read Zecharia Sitchin's books. "According to Sitchin, Nibiru was the home of a technologically advanced human-like extraterrestrial race called the Anunnaki in Sumerian myth, who Sitchin states are called the Nephilim in the Bible. He claims they first arrived on Earth probably 450,000 years ago, looking for minerals, especially gold, which they found and mined in Africa. These 'gods' were the rank and file workers of the colonial expedition to Earth from planet Nibiru. Sitchin believes the Anunnaki genetically engineered Homo sapiens as slave creatures to work their gold mines by crossing extraterrestrial genes with those of Homo erectus. Sitchin claims ancient inscriptions report that human civilization in Sumer of Mesopotamia was set up under the guidance of these 'gods', and human kingship was inaugurated to provide intermediaries between mankind and the Anunnaki. Sitchin believes that fallout from nuclear weapons, used during a war between factions of the extraterrestrials, is the 'evil wind' that destroyed Ur around 2000 BC. Sitchin claims the exact year is 2024 BC. Sitchin claims that his research coincides with many biblical texts, and that biblical texts come originally from Sumerian writings." http: //tinyurl. com/5r3boh
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...DeckardBladeRunner does not watch the show. He only reads Wikipedia episode summaries and then trolls the AICN TBs for hope of getting a rise out of people. I'm sure he is just as impotent in real life as his "checklists".As for lockesbrokenleg, anybody else getting a skywalkerfamily vibe off that guy?
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It's pretty cool how you can be gone all weekend and yet still manage to write more posts about BSG than any other fan in the TalkBack. I tip my hat to your dedicated fandom, you outshine us all.
So please tell us, while you were gone this weekend how did you polish your giant BSG boner? Did you spend any time shopping for BlackBerries so you could keep the internet with you at all times and never again miss an opportunity to talk about your favorite show? -
...which was pre-Hyksos and before the arrival of the ancient Hebrews. Note that Moses likely contended with the 19th dynasty pharoah.However, post-Hyksos state building under the pharoah who "knew not Joseph" was frenetic so I do get your point which is important IMHO.
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douches
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Bittersweet time for BSG fans with having to say goodbye to a favorite show while contending with the ignorant behavior of trolls.BTW looking forward to reading the your posts - especially regarding DAYBREAK PARTS 1 & 2 - as we make our way through the BSG universe endgame.
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No new show, and no old show.
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some of the funniest guys on AICN.
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Bittersweet, indeed. It's hard to believe that the origin of my namesake is coming to an end.Unfortunately, I'm still a week behind on episodes. So, I've been unable to contribute much to the past couple of Talkbacks. But I hope to be locked in for DAYBREAK and to post some comprehensive final thoughts.I have no solid idea on where it's all headed but I'm more than anxious to see it get there.
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the loss of the hub and with it resurrection tech. It's the "she will lead them to their end" part that's the rub.
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Well said. Keep up the pressure!
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Shows they care about this show.
We are seeing that in the Watchmen TBs too.
I am a big fan of Lost and I am seeing that too, for me it adds to the show, the debate, the theories.
If people were apathetic about this show, then I would be much more concerned.
I personally have been disappointed in the last few episodes, but of course I wouldn't stop watching now.
I like many others on this TB, are lucky to live in a democracy, billions in this world aren't, keep the debate and occasional funny comments (i.e. Stargate is ahead of its time) coming. -
I think the "angels" that Baltar is talking about are the people that some have been seeing in their heads (Baltar's Six, Six's Baltar, and Kara's Dad) and that they are not hallucinations or projections, but are real beings that have been manipulating events for humans and cylons.
Maybe it is indeed the Lords of Kobol who are trying to bring their children together.
I also like what someone said about misinterpreting the Kara prophecy. Suppose that "harbinger of death" means that she is a harbinger that has been brought back from the dead, and that the "end" to which she is leading them is a good ending. Maybe the end of the cycle of human/cylon wars. -
They're just programs in the Cylon net that are sub routines sent out to help the Colonials.
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Assuming its just more than Kara, why were certain people chosen to be resurrected out of the billions who have died?
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Gatea died. Zac died. Cally died. Kat died. Duella died. Billy died.
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Referring to who died and got resurrected somehow i.e. Kara, and not referring to those who have died and we haven't see again (yet perhaps), also referring to humans and not cylons.
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In my opinion, Rescue Me is worth checking out. I would say that season 1&2 are very well done... a great balance of drama comedy.
But, although still better than the average TV drama, I do feel Rescue Me has become too outrageous in order to keep the dramatic stakes high for seasons 3&4. They are not bad per se - just not as strong as the first two seasons.
Still if you like sarcastic male humour set in the testosterone filled environment of the FDNY it will likely be something you would enjoy.
FYI: I think the show has been renewed by SONY & FX for at least 2 more seasons... Season five is due to air in early April. -
of people that are out there that are controlling the destinies of the Cylons and Colonials.
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Don't Stop Believin'
All of the Galacticaheads expecting the finale to answer EVERYthing are in for the biggest shock and disappointment since Tony Soprano ordered fries or whatever it was before everything went black.
There won't be any big answers -- that will remove the art from what the writers are trying to do. There will be one huge mindscrew at the end that will throw everyone into a spin -- and also conveniently sidestep the fact that there was no big answers to give. The show --hell, any show -- eventually gets too big and top heavy to make sense of everything the writers put in just trying to get the damn thing done each week.
P.S. Clip and save for 2012, or whenever Lost is supposed to end with all the answers as well.
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can kiss my ass.
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Man, I love Battlestar... but this was some bad acting all around... from Apollo spitting out "BAAALTAAAARR!!!???" like a blowfish, to Tigh going from "I CAN'T LET YOU DO THIS!!" to "So we're doing this?" in the span of two seconds. Ugh. Please let it end well.
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"It maybe interesting to you, but to suddenly have mystical beings resurrecting characters would be "lame" to me."--- It's not like this was a spur of the moment thing. It's been planned into the show for a long time.
"Please no deus ex machina explanation.
Seriously, how can that be ok with you? That's just lazy fucking writing."---- It's not lazy in a show that makes religion an important aspect. From the FIRST FEW MINUTES of the miniseries up until now the issue of religion and God/gods have been an important aspect of the show. The ENTIRE PREMISE of the show is that humans were *playing God* and it bit them in the ass.
I feel that the supernatural aspect/question behind this show have made for some of the finest hours of television-NOT just BSG- but television in general.
Remember "33" and "Hand of God" from season 1? HeadSix-an angel- supernaturally guides God's messenger- Gaius Baltar into doing things he would otherwise have no part of.
The Angel makes Gaius Baltar personally repent as a condition for saving his life and the lives of all humanity. Excellent televison, IMO.
So don't piss on BSG for having "deus ex machina" endings. To pretend that it's always a bad thing is bullshit.
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Mar 09, 2009 4:17:39 AM CDT
with unnecessary last few episodes, finale now too crowded
by santiagoatez
Many have said it before, but I'll repeat it for shit and giggles... Tooooo many things that need to be explained in a finale, although it's 3-parts. They should have at least gotten the Starbuck mystery out of the way. From the actress's interviews, it seems that she doesn't think things were very wrapped up for her character in the finale, so I'm a bit pessimistic.
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Wow- more personal insults and anger from the remaining Kool Aid Drinkers! Blackberry Shopping, and No social life! I love it!
Mr Nice Gaius, It's a true pleasure to see how bitter and angry that you all can get when I come on and reiterate the same fact this show sucks. The best part of this show now is the talkback, at least since the classic Jump the Shark Website has been destroyed by TV Guide. The shining fans, the massive amount of viewer hate and the whining personal attacks. BSG will shit on all the viewers- ala Sopranos- very soon, frankly it's just fun to watch it play out. Cue whiny fans, personal attacks, defense of bad writing etc. -
Serious question why do you waste your time here if you aren't a fan ?
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LOL, wut?
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the people who built the pyramids werent slaves, they were normal workers driven by strong religious beliefs. egypt at that time didnt have much of an empire so it didnt have slaves at the year 3000/2500 BC. slaves were in egypt much later than that. proof of that is that the workers who died during the construction have their own tombs. many of them died and since they have tombs and were mummified, that means they werent jewish at all. so you cant say they had a hand in building the pyramids but they did build other stuff like temples and such but that was like a 1000s of years after the building of the pyramids when egypt had a greater empire. I still dont know how they managed to build it.
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it makes you think about the meaning of life stuff and not like BSG which it just focuses on the decadence of man.
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...who actually waste their precious time complaining about a television show they don't like? Is it primarily because they just like to argue with people they don't know about stuff that doesn't really mean much in the greater scheme of things? Are they so full of themselves academically that they feel the need to see their own words reflected back at them in the cold, cold light of their computer screens? Is it because they are so fundamentally insecure that they feel personally violated by the creative decisions of others, working on a television show that has nothing to do with them, when those decisions don't happen to be the ones they would have made? Is that it? Jealousy that they aren't working on the show? Not that I'm complaining...I enjoy the amusing and hollow straw-man arguments they construct and the sort of sad fan-baiting they engage in...much the same way I used to enjoy watching other kids fight on the playground during Kindergarten recess...I'm just curious why so many people are so invested psychologically in their disagreements in these talk-backs. Seems kind of...well...pathetic, really.
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Was it mentioned they where bringing on on board? when Anders turned up in the tub I felt like I had missed something, maybe it was mentioned during the last few weeks of boring episodes?This show has gone steadily downhill since the jump forward of one year at the end of season 2, right there they killed all dramatic tension and never recovered it.
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Sheesh!
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something totally unexpected. The Sopranos ended with the cut to black ending so they could have the option to do a sequel movie. I know that based on nothing but money. Money allways wins in the end.Last weeks BSG was good, we did get some answers, some things are starting to fall into place. I will say this everything is in place now we do not need anymore "set up" episodes.
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Seems to me theres been some serious editing issues over the last 4 episodes. Jane Espensons episode to me suffered from very bad editing, not so much writing. and to now find out that a scene throwing the Chief in jail was cut after his huge involvement with Hera getting stoled is a letdown (he's one of my favourite characters: the most hu-maan of the filthy hu-maans who is now not actually a hu-maan anymore). Now as smashing has so rightly pointed out a Cylon bath appears on the Galactica, last time I noticed Anders was in the sick bay, did I miss a scene where they decided to put him in goop and hook him up to the Galactica? Mayhap I did.
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They never explained how they got a bath on BSG. I think the point was he was kind of becoming the Hybrid of BSG just like all the Cylon ships have.
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I've bitched about this show before but I think we are pretty well set up now, even if we came by a round-about route: Ellen has revealed there is something else pulling the strings, Starbuck has been outed as "dead" and connected to the F5 via AATW, Galactica is fucked, the dying leader is fucked, Boomer is regretting taking Hera, the Cylon projections are being revealed more (now we know Hera can see them too), Anders is about to go online, old school Cylon tech was revealed at Cavills house, thus possibly tying in to Razor and Cylon War 1. Nice... as long as the 3 hour finale is not 2:45 of filler.
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Yes they did mention in a previous episode that they would "hook him up" similar to the hybrids to possibly jump start his brain.
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Do a double take on Kara entering the room? My first reaction was 'Wait, Starbuck is projecting now too'? It took me a second to figure out what was going on.
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I agree 100%Season 4 has been up and down for me, but now that everything is in place there is no excuse not to kick this thing into high gear.
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Cant have made that much of an IMPACT on me. It did seem a big jump though. I wonder if he jumps and shows El Presidente something in the space between life and death. He seemed to have a grasp of something "miraculous" happening before he went under. The El Presidente is also slipping into projection-land easily now.
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I'm not bitter, nor am I angry. I just find you to be particularly tiresome. Especially when your complaints about "bad writing" and "Sopranos-style" endings are either subjective or just plain unfounded.Looking forward to your next Wikipedia summary bitchfest. Hysterical.
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Gotta be.
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I think the FF talked about it very very briefly in the episode before last. If you stepped out for 30 seconds then you missed it.
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I have to defned my favourite show because so many people dis the ending. Anyone who loved the show will remember all the Sopranos family moments (both families) that ended episodes. The countless times when it was the family eating, or sitting around. Those were great episode endings. the one where Tony reheated some food and sat at the table while Carmela read the mail! the one where the other family sat out the front of satriales in the sun watching a car prang while the camera pulled away. Fucking brilliant. So the series ended the same. Its a Sopranos ending. If you didnt like it I'd seriously have to question if you actually WATCHED the show and were ENGAGED in it, or if you just sat in front of it looking at the pretty glowing screen.
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...yelling at the screen "DO SOMETHING!"
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it has been confirmed that a special sneak peak footage of stargate will air after BSG says goodbye. it will show the first episode 'Air' and the charaters and the action as well as the new stargate and a very brief look at the ship Destiny. that will be the last thing you will see of BSG...how does that feel? :)
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Great show, I don't have a problem with the ending. Artitically was fine and in a few years will make a lot on cents financially.BSG won't do that cause it's not as popular.
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I own a complete green off world uniform, have a few P90s laying around, made my own GDO prop replica, and have worked escort duty with nearly every main cast member from both SG shows. Many of them know me on site by name I've worked with them so much, and you know what...
Fuck Stargate, it isn't worthy of licking the corn out of Bill Adama's ass crack. SO SAY WE ALL!!
But seriously, to try to compare the two when they are so obviously completely different types of shows is absolutely ludicrous. Stargate is a fun adventure whereas BSG is serious drama, just because they both take place in space doesn't make them comparable by any stretch. It's like trying to compare Deadwood to Firefly because they both have a western theme. Total apples and oranges. -
You have the balls to come in here and claim you have some sort of worthwhile life when the first goddam thing you do after "being away for the weekend" is to come in here and blow more cunt stank at us?
I was at home most of the weekend and you still managed to write more posts than me after "being away." You can get an OCD medicine prescription from your doctor, look into it already you dumb fuck. -
ya know.. i've been revisiting the season 3 closer and revelations since noticing that boomer jumped next to the gas giant and here's what i'm thinking. the planet boomer jumped next to was jupiter, the end of season 3 cliffhanger absolutely showed earth with jupiter, the moon, etc.... but i'm not convinced that the earth of revelations was the same planet. doesn't look like it on the video (i know it doesn't need to.. but it specifically DID in Crossroads, Part 2 with the Florida peninsula and everything in full display). hard to imagine that after all these years that humanity isn't going to find a home... just sayin. my guess is that battlestar blows up the colony is a pegasus-like suicide mission and all the ships with the rest of the humans and the rebel cylons end up on earth.. real earth. have no idea whether it's populated or not. just a guess.
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That doesn't make sense. If you mean that they show some of SGU during the end credits..then I am eternally grateful that credits are cut off from bittorrent
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is the cylon home world earth? hmmm...
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cannot be done because they are aimed at different audiences. Stargate is a family show like TNG and BSG is an adult show. The biggest difference is that Stargate has been milked for too long, whilst BSG is relatively fresh. How they managed to squeeze 3 spinoffs from such a limited concept is beyond me.
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Sorry, I didn't make myself clear on the pyramids subject. I was referring to the number of books and theories that surfaced during the early 90's.
Dioxholster, I agree that the Jews didn't build the pyramids..that's just something that has worked its way into modern thinking just like the Biblical tales claimed that the Hebrews received retribution against the major "superpower" of ancient times. People have tried to connect Egypt with the Jews for centuries, but the fact is that it was an amazing civilisation that had it's own culture that was unique. If it had died out then you'd bet your ass that some other culture would have claimed it built the pyramids. As FOR the pyramids....I think that they were built by slaves, but not slaves as we think of them...these people were probably paid well and believed in what they were doing. -
And the in-heads continue to exist as nothing more than a lame catch-all motivator/plot explainer with no known motive or explanation for their existence.
Sorry Moore, just saying "Angels! Let's move on!" doesn't cut it. Some of us see so clearly you've written way to many checks that you have no idea how to cash.
This will not change apart from fandom continuing to attempt to fill the show's many gaping plot holes with their own manufactured fanfic explanations.
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Has this show ended? I'm sure I've seen a preview of another to be shown next week.
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Did RDM actually describe the In-Heads as simply, "Angels! Let's move on!" or are you just projecting that before the conclusion?
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I hope there is no confusion with that. The series finally starts this week and all the dots should come together.Over all this has been a great show and I'm looking forward to seeing how they wrap it all up!
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You are a piker. If you hate the show so much, then give up and stop spamming in a talkback where your constant dreary criticism is unwelcome.
"This will not change apart from fandom continuing to attempt to fill the show's many gaping plot holes with their own manufactured fanfic explanations."---That's bullshit. Last week we discussed this, and even you yourself admitted you haven't been keeping up with the details that fill in so many of these alleged (though currently unspecified) plot holes).
If you're going to continue bitching in these BSG talkbacks, at least be speciifc instead of making blanket claims of plotholes... that way, when others show you how poorly constructed your criticisms are by citing evidence you clearly forgot, people on this tb will know how ridiculous your claims are.
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C'mon you guys. They're frittering away the last few remaining hours of the show with pure filler. There have been good moments even this season, like Cavil's amazing rant to Ellen. But, the "awesome to WTF ratio" has been deplorably poor with the season coming to a close.
Sure, none of us have seen the last three hours. So what? I've seen 98.5% of the show's entire run. The better seasons I've watched multiple times. So, saying the last 1.5% is going to make the huge missteps of the program in the last two seasons alright is like playing violin on the Titanic, in my opinion. The horse is already out of the barn. NOTHING they do, even if the finale blows both the pilot and "33" away (and it's always possible!), will excuse the complete waste of talent we've seen on display thus far in season 4.5.
Mr. Nice Gaius, I'll respond to you specifically since I figure you to be a reasonable guy by reading your posts over the years. I don't know that RDM has said that and that's his final word on the subject. However, I predict here that the in-heads will be left as completely ambiguous as I have described them within the context of the show. They could be anything from a visual representation of an internal monologue to a coordinated AI or spiritual consciousness manipulating the events of the entire show. Or they could be somewhere in between. We simply have no idea and anything we can point to as an answer seems to have a contradictary example that could be used to shoot it down.
So, in the end, we shall all be left hanging. Then, because I love so much of the show and always want to hold shows I love to high standards, I'll show up on the finale talkback saying "See! The in-heads are now meaningless! One of the great so-called mysteries of the show was never addressed!" Then, all the apologists will say (Tai_Pan) "You are an idiot! Were you sleeping when Baltar said the word 'angels?' Everything was explained in the show if you bothered to pay attention!"
That's the disconnect here. That kind of lenient and slack attitude toward genre shows doesn't work for me. If a show is going to play in the arena of big ideas and put forth questions and concepts that are damn intriguing or meaningful, they better be prepared to face up to and answer the questions they have proposed. Doing less is an insult to fans of the show and that's why my interest in and opinion of the show declines with each episode of piddle farting around and throwing in yet more arbitrary plot threads. -
No, the reason that Galactica blew out on the side is because it's superstructure is severely weakened through multiple battles and jumping. It wasn't because a Raptor jumped next to the ship and it blew open. Dumb ass.
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Yeah man... I (and others) noticed that the irradiated "Earth" that was found by the Colonials and he rebel Cylons did not show many details other than it was Earth-like. Also, RDM has been rather mum about the issue in his weekly podcasts... my guess is similar to yours - somehow there is more to be revealed on the subject I think.
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Why wouldn't they explain the in-head thing? I haven't seen or heard anything that would lead me to believe they wouldn't explain that.
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I think you'd be better off watching wrestling since you clearly don't understand anything else on TV.
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...filled with ships of light. I'm hoping for a big confrontation between the Galacticas and the Cavils and the Angels intervene in big, dramatic fashion.
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What?!? You don't even know what you're trying to say do ya, dink?
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Come on this has been a well made series. Sure, it sprinted out of the starting gate and by season 3 had started to settle. But, to me that actually makes sense... life in the fleet stared to become routine... as people adapted to their situation, the "new normal" (yes I know, that term is overused) set in.
I defy you to find any notable serialized TV show running more than 2 seasons that hasn't done this: West Wing, Sopranos, Rescue Me, Deadwood, The Wire, DS9, X Files etc etc etc all have switched gears and gotten flack for it during their run.
I'd say that RDM and his team have done a good job bringing us to the series conclusion. So what if every mystery is not tied up with a big bow on it... that's like real life! Do you really think that Moore and this series is going to answer the huge questions it asks? What it means to be human? The nature of God if it exists? The fate of humanity? This stuff is so huge that our best scientists, philosophers and theologians, despite their best efforts, have not been able to answer these questions with any certainty for more then a millennium. Neither will Moore and that's fine - I think it took balls to address these questions in a TV show. Period.
BSG ain't perfect, but it's better than most of the stuff on TV... if it's not your thing, that's fine, go watch Heroes or The Bachelor.
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What year is this thing suppose to take place in? Does anyone know? Does it take place a long time ago like Starwars ? Or is it suppose to be in the future like Star Trek?
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No problem and thanks for the compliment.Quote: "They could be anything from a visual representation of an internal monologue to a coordinated AI or spiritual consciousness manipulating the events of the entire show."Agreed and I think the show has put forth those exact theories within the overall telling of the story. It's looking more likely now that the In-Heads are representative of a 3rd Party involvement. Theories of this 3rd Party have been espoused on these Talkbacks for quite awhile now. (I can think of a few specific references as made by noted Talkbacker, NoHubris and others.) A key moment in the theory of a manipulative "higher power" was the scene when Baltar appeared to be physically moved by something as if he were a string puppet. (Of course, this leads to all kinds of questions about Baltar, etc.)My general point is that on issues like this, everything is still speculative. And these final 10 episodes have been somewhat surprising (not always in a good way) in terms of how they have paced the final installments of the story. But it's to my understanding that VERY little will be left unexplained by the series' finale. Since the In-Heads are one of the show's most enduring mysteries, I do expect this to be explained somehow. So, I'm not ready to shoot down RDM & Co. just yet.I should also say that I've had my problems with Season 4 as well. I hope to address those when we reach the final episode's TB.
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Well put I agree 100% I don't watch a lot of TV shows but BSG on a whole is better than just about anything out there including most movies.By the way, I've never ever seen anything on TV that's perfect.
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codymr, your point is well taken, but allow me to clarify that I wasn't suggesting that BSG answer the philosophical questions it raises, but rather merely the plot related questions it raises. My fault for not being more clear there.
JLo III, I think your question is central to the premise of the show and it has unfortunately gotten a bit lost in the shuffle. The biggest hook of the old show was that these fugitives were in space trying to find "us," but what "us" would they find?
I'm afraid that among all the "the Cylons are us and we are them" and "God vs. gods" and "Cylons were built to make life easier for men vs. origin that is now much more contradictory", that bit of the show's mythology has gotten a bit lost.
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LOL. To please both of our "internal fanboys" for lack of a better term, I hope that definitive explanation you propose actually comes.
It won't be sufficient, at least in my mind, if the allusions we got to angels in the last episode were the final word on the matter. -
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Boomer?
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Regarding those allusions, all the more reason I need to see the most recent episode, post haste!
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Agreed... it would have been far better to have season 4 run right through instead of having 2 mini seasons. I think moderate fans of the show get lost. Like my GF... she hates SF but loves BSG, but always asks me about certain details because she can't remember from series 4.0. SciFi are ass clowns for breaking up the last season.
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A deleted scene showed Baltar leaving that note for Adama. Whether this counts or not is a real toss up because sometimes we see deleted scenes in the "Previously on Battlestar Galactica" sequences, and others are abandoned forever like the amazing scene between Helo and Adama when Helo admits he suffocated the Cylon prisoners.
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Part of the break up of season 4 was due to the writers strike.I know others have complained about season 4 just remember part of that is due to the writers strike. I've even commented on some boring episodes recently.
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The question of WHEN are they in reference to us is the most interesting point of the entire show to me. That is what I want out of the finally more so than any of the other mysteries.
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You may be partially correct, but the real truth is that Skiffy breaks up all of its series with huge fucking breaks so they can dodge some competition with network television. Which is also why their shows begin their seasons during the summer when the networks are wanking.
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Im saving the bile until it all plays out. We couldnt write anything as good as this, so save the bitching until the end game is up.
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I'm sure it's a little of both for sure. I just remember when the writers strike hit it was about the time they started working on season 4 or at least 4.5 and someone was asking RDM if the show would even be able to finish and at the time he really didn't know. I also just read another interview with him that said he could not even be on set when they filmed the "Sometime a Great Notion" episode.It's a pretty crazy buisness and I guess people don't realize what has to be overcome just to make these things happen. The writers strike had an impact on the show for sure.
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Great ideas with too many deep philosophical plot lines can never answer everything. The matrix trilogy my friends. The plots sometimes run away from them and they can't tie it all in and make the show flow.
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I you are completely correct... I forgot about the writers' strike - I read that somewhere before and totally forgot. Thx for straightening that up.
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The scary thing was that we almost never got a 4.5 at all. Adama finding an irradiated "Earth" would have quite literally been the last scene of BSG we would ever see. Sci-Fi was not going to let the show go back into full production if the strike had not ended when it did.
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Calling anything a plot hole at this point is like reading an entire novel except for the last three chapters,then complaining because you didn't feel like the author tied the story together very well.
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If the show and The Plan ends and everything isn't satisfactorily resolved I will be the first one to scream bloody murder and hunt down RDM myself. (and you know I'll do it you furry bastard, I know you're reading this, prepare for justice if...)
But for the moment I trust them to not leave any plot holes dangling for Deckard to stick his virgin cock into.
But just imagine for a second that the show had ended on dead "Earth." Holy shit, there would be plot Grand Canyons! -
before the nukes hit? Someone walks up to her, and she says, "About time you showed up."
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Seven of Nine is the final Cylon.
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you guys can't even count cuz NONE of you geniuses adder her in . felgercarb!
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I believe that maybe answered with "the plan"....I assume all unanswered will be examined. I'm guessing it was Cavil.
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I can't wait that long, but from the promo what do Racetrack and Skulls see? It's either the Cylon colony, or something entirely new...perhaps a brand new Battlestar with a 5 year bumper to bumper warranty?
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you really are a very amusing little twat. Every week without fail you are here bashing BSG and banging on about how good Stargate is. What a prize tool. You are either really fucking young or just a complete dork with possible mental health issues. Either way, I'm guessing you're pretty ugly and/or fat. All that said, it wouldn't feel like a BSG talkback without you.
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Mar 09, 2009 7:45:50 PM CDT
Maybe the new "Earth" has an enite fleet of Battlestars
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hiding near orbit, and they join the Galactica in the final battle?
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It sucked, more or less. I give up - there is no hope for this show to pull it out. It's done, done, done. Someone upthread mentioned a two hour finale AFTER the fucking finale next week. Is this true? I'll slit my wrists.
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Mar 09, 2009 8:50:47 PM CDT
Gods, people are so dumb. The finale is NOT next week
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asshats. The finale is THREE parts. Part ONE this week. PART TWO AND THREE NEXT week! Got that shitheads?
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Isn't it.
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"Ron and David don't tie things up nice and neat -- the ending is like nothing you'd ever expect. I don't think all the fans could ever be satisfied by one ending, which is a good thing. So this way, they're be left going, "but, wait!" The minds of all the wonderful sci-fi fans will never stop working and journeying into their own ideas because of how the show has been built... Emotionally the ship is everything to Adama and she's dying. Adama's heart is in the ship and you see this beautiful relationship -- as the ship breaks apart and dies, Adama breaks apart and dies [now the fourth report on Adama's fate... all conflicting- Tai Pan]. With every crack and fissure of steam, you feel Adama's heart go with it. The ship is dying, people are dying, everyone's dying... Ron and David have left it so that the fans will journey on in their minds forever, so therefore it's hopeful. It's simply a beautiful ending."
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The ending you said above sounds spot on to how I think it will play out and is consistent with RDM's thoughts on endings, including his thoughts on the Soprano's ending.
Perhaps we will see a daring rescue of Hera, a space battle and a suicide run for some, Boomer killing Cavill and helping Hera escape. Adama going down with his ship. Hopefully some resolution on Kara and what she is. Ending with the remains of the Galactica crew on the Base Star with the cylons, including the final five, now comanded by Saul,jumping
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In the (hi-larious) scene where Baltar tries toi destroy the computer equipment when Gaeta is running the image processing software when Balter is arested, there's a dude in a blue shirt holding a microphone on a boom. I'm wondering if this is an Angel, God (or god), or Lord Of Kobol, or indeed if this plot point will be finally explained at all? It's been worrying me for some time.
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Well I'm glad to see this talkback has ended as it should
TaiPan- defends the show through thick and mostly thin
Mr Nice Gaius- Angry that the show sucks, but can't admit it
Hairy Nutsack- Endless personal attacks, and easily distracted whenever I post, and point out - the show sucks.
Gboybama's few posts sum it all up- you dont even need to watch this trainwreck to know that is sucks the big one. And again- look forward to the worst, and least satisfying ending of all time- brought to you from the people that made Ellen the head Cylon- sheesh.
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I am a fan of the Sopranos ending but the shows are different. BSG needs a lot more closure - it has much more of a series arc and has been set up with "big questions" and mysteries that require resolution. Only Lost would be more poorly served by a Sopranos-style ending.
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No it won't end like Sopranos theres no need for that. I think they ended that show the way they did for more than just artistic reasons. I call it the blank check ending. One day the cast is going to cash that check.Also I didn't mind lasts weeks episode. I thought it was a really good set up episode for the series finally. The problem is they had 2 boring pointless set up episodes before last week. You just can't put three in a row like that.
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I appreciate your optimism. But I'm pretty sure at this point that you're gonna get burned in the end. I didn't realized there were actually three more hours of this show which is a little horrifying. But it does open up the slight possibility they'll salvage SOMETHING. I wrote it off after this episode, but we'll see what happens next week.
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Make sure you let us know how those Wikipedia summaries are doing. OK?OK.
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Honestly I really don't think they will mess up the ending. I think some of the boring episodes are due to the writers strike last year. I really think that screwed up production of this show.
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I should say, who the FUCK do you think you are Deckard?
You come in here and criticize a show you don't even watch, by your own goddam admission, then you tell us the show is full of plot holes, only when asked to list the alleged plot holes it turns out you don't know what the fuck you're talking about because NOTHING you listed is in fact a plot hole, but somehow you expect us to debate you in some rational, reasonable manner?
The reason I resorted to personal attacks is because that's all you've left me with. You don't know shit about the show, and you have no fucking clue what the term "plot hole" even means, and so you deserve all the derision I and everyone can muster, you half-wit imbecile.
And take note of something important here, you are the ONLY naysayer I have attacked personally because you are a goddam moron who thinks he can argue about and criticize a show you don't even fucking watch. You're sub-troll, your troll shit, and so I resort to name calling and personal attacks because that's all you are worthy of. Oh, and because it's fun to open up both barrels on such an easy target now and then you fucking waste of oxygen.
I laugh at you with all the scorn I can muster, you are pathetic beyond belief and I will continue to belittle you as long as you continue to return here and refresh our memories on how goddam stupid you are. -
"I wouldnt waste the time to watch an episode these days."--- Deckard, you don't have a leg to stand on...
But I'm sure you feel REALLY important complaining about a show you don't even watch... hey... it might even make people who do watch the show angry that you stop by to troll the talkbacks like the piker you are.
You go get 'em chief, 'cuz I bet that if you get off annoying people on a talkback you probably don't have a lot going on in life and this may be your big chance to feel the fumes of accomplishment in your teeth as it races past you forever... so go out there and be an annoying know-nothing piker!! It's like the special olympics of asshattery, and you're our token retard!
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Some of the posts on this talkback are pretty depressing, reminding me that there are many people in this world who have nothing better to do with their lives than bitch and moan.
With the exception of a few folks on here, most notedly Tai_Pan, Mr Nice Gaius, lockesbrokenleg and others, it seems this planet is truly populated by idiots. The reason for this? Who knows - maybe the question will never be answered, and then we can have a talkback about the plotholes in the course existence.
Since this talkback is about the most recent episode, I'll start by saying that my girlfriend, who loves the show, was in tears from start to end of this episode. I wasn't far off myself. For everyone who says Adama's breakdowns are becoming too frequent, excuse me, but what the FRAK do you expect?!?!? The series started with the guy still in mourning over the loss of his son, progressed to the near destruction of his race, countless deaths (through all of this he kept most of his feelings inside, acting the strong leader of those left), later he loses his surrogate daughter, her haunting return, his best friend is revealed to be a machine, the same race who caused all his woe, the earth he had pinned his hopes on is dead, as are the two loves of his life (almost), Laura and Galactica... oh, and almost all the people who had been looking up to him, just mutineed on him! Forgive me, but three or four little bursts of emotion would pale in comparison to the state I'd be in.
As for any plot holes, these have already been discussed - the show is not perfect, we never said it was, we just love it for the emotions it triggers in us. Any show that can make me feel the way this one does, is pretty special in my book, yet 'certain' people, WHO SELF ADMITTEDLY DON'T EVEN WATCH THE SHOW, feel the need to take time out of their busy lives to pour hate and scorn over it. Screw you, and leave us to mourn the death of our show in peace - and I really hope the finale fraks you up your ass. There is so much more I want to say, but I'm sure the trolls will rip me apart as it is, and anything I do say. So I'll leave it with this - to you the BSG faithful - it's been a rocky ride, with some of the most emotional scenes to ever grace our screens, and I will miss it with every fibre of my body. SO SAY WE ALL!!!
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Good post, I liked last weeks episode too, There has only been a couple of episodes this season that I haven't been to crazy about. Other than that it's been great!
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So if people who bitch and moan about BSG have no lives, what does that say about people like you? You know, people who bitch and moan .. about people bitching and moaning. Think about it this way: Have you ever expressed your dissatisfaction with something? Was it because something was missing in your life or maybe because there was something you didn't like? And how many people got "sad" for you? How about this: Accept that fact that not everyone loves everything you do to the extent that you do. Then you don't have to get all sad and weepy about their poor, pathetic, unsatisfied lives.
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Admirable job on your first post. Welcome aboard.However, I would just like to correct you on one of your items - lockesbrokenleg (aka skywalkerfamily) is, indeed, an idiot.So say we all!
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I've got no life on Monday and Tuesday..Just selling Slurpees to homeless people.
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"So if people who bitch and moan about BSG have no lives, what does that say about people like you? You know, people who bitch and moan .. about people bitching and moaning.",p>
--- Gee, Ross... I guess it means that when someone is having a good time talking about things they don't want people trolling their coversation with no other intention than to bring people down. TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. That's a logical response, unlike say... BITCHING OVER A SHOW YOU DON'T EVEN WATCH. No one's complaining loudly at reasonable dissent or complaint from fans. FIne example is a few weeks ago when almost everyone agreed that "Deadlock" was a terrible episode. For the mostpart no one on this talkback is interested in completely stiffling dissatisfaction. What myself and others are angry at are trolls and pikers who come to the BSG talkbacks week after week and constantly drone "BSG Sucks!" especially when they don't even watch the show.
C'mon Ross. Would you want someone at your birthday party constantly bitching and whining about how old and ugly you are. Use your brain, T-bolt. -
There are not that many trolls here. I can think of ONE person who claims not to have watched recent episodes.Someone with criticism is not a troll; even someone who bitches and moans sincerely - they're not a troll either. Like it or not, there ARE a lot of dissatisfied FANS of the show. That's where most of the negative posting comes from, as far as I can tell. There are a lot of people who are invested in the show but feel it's lost its way. They have a right to post about this stuff too, and even to vent. It's pretty frustrating when something that was once so on point becomes a veritable mess. I can't stand trolls either, but like I say, there's only one here. And the truth is, whether or not Deckard is trolling, and whether or not he watches the show, there is (or at least was at one point) a decent amount of accuracy to what he says. I don't agree with all of it but essentially right.
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Mar 12, 2009 12:23:21 AM CDT
Re: Maybe the new "Earth" has an enite fleet of Battlestars
by moto_moto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XukWZkuaUI
When I saw this trailer, that's what I thought. I heard the the FX in the finale was the most Expensive and Intense in the series.
The newer battlestars scenes added to this promo convinced me that this is what Skulls and Racetrack discovered. If you notice that the Nebula in the Background looks vaguely familiar to where the Cylon Colonies are located. I don't know. My "Nerdiness" is on the frizt. -
I'm not going to be particularly pleased with how BSG ends. Sadly, the source I heard them from is usually 100% right.
To keep this forum safe from huge spoilers, I'll just say that the rumors about Daniel, Starbuck, Baltar and Roslin are bizarre and disappointing at the same time. Here's to hoping that it's all just bunk. -
Yeah, I just finished reading those same rumors as well. And frankly I almost puked. If this is the way it ends, the producers of BSG just destroyed one of the best SciFi series to hit TV. If this is just BS to throw off track to surprise us, then I will be happier.
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Just read the same rumours, and I think they have been debunked (well the ppl @ scifi's boards seem to think so)
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"Just read the same rumours, and I think they have been debunked (well the ppl @ scifi's boards seem to think so)"--- I really hope so. It made so little sense and was contradictory to established fact that normally I'd dismiss it as fantheory, but the source I heard it from rarely ever puts out bad info (Hasn't done so since the middle of season 3).
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Well the place I read it now seems as doubtful as us, and the scifi thread about it has gone (either because its all trash or because its real, *woried*) Did you read it on TPR or did you get this all from another source?
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"Did you read it on TPR or did you get this all from another source?"
Three sources.
Dismissed it when I read it at Ragnar Anchorage. Got worried when I heard it from TPR and a SciFi forum. I'm trying to run it by a source who KNOWS how it all ends to see if they'll spill.
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...please be a "good" ending...
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I just hope that it's going to be as good an ending as the mini series was as an opening. Time will tell, and well it's only 2 weeks left, good or bad, Ive still enjoyed it
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