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‘Echo’s Been Wiped!!’ Herc’s Seen Friday’s DOLLHOUSE 1.4!!

Published at: March 6, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

I am – Hercules!!
Fox says of 1.4:
Echo's stint as a midwife doesn't prove as laborious as when she becomes an expert safe-cracker, and more than an invaluable piece of art is stolen from her on the engagement, forcing Sierra to take on a familiar persona. Agent Ballard gives Lubov an ultimatum, and Adelle confides shocking information to Topher. Guest Cast: Amy Acker as Dr. Claire Saunders; Reed Diamond as Laurence Dominic; Liza Lapira as Ivy; Anson Mount as Vitas; Toby Leonard Moore as Walton; Mark Ivanir as Cyril; Kevin Will as Gerry; Sarah McElligott as Nancy; Andrew Bowen as Scott; Atalo Diakos as Tony Amendola.
Notes: * Never mind that “American Idol” stalker nonsense last week. While Dushku played a southie in “Stage Fright,” it’s her role this week as safecracker girl that’ll remind fans of Faith Lehane. She even comes with her own “five by five”-like catchphrase. * While the episode is identified on the Fox screener as “Grey Hour,” the Fox press release calls it “Gray Hour.” * It was scripted by Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain, the team that gave us the five-star “Angel” episode “Underneath” five years ago. * It’s a bit funnier than the earlier episodes, but still in no danger of being mistaken for a comedy. * Alpha – Echo, Sierra and Victor’s deadly prodigal big brother – looms perhaps larger in this episode than in the previous three. * The “midwife” part of the episode only lasts about 90 seconds and we’re left to wonder why Dollhouse didn’t simply program Echo to be a obstetrician. Or just hire an obstetrician. * Despite what the Fox press release (and IMDb) says, Amy Acker’s scar-riddled Dr. Claire Saunders does not turn up in this episode. Topher’s sounding board this week is another hot (if far more Asian) girl in a lab coat. * Invisotext hides spoilers. I found Echo’s ultimate escape, which involves smoke and running around a corner, weirdly anti-climactic. 9 p.m. Friday. Fox.

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  • March 6, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Her ass has been wiped maybe....

    by V'Shael

    This show is shit.

  • March 6, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    This show is kinda meh.

    by FookU

    Life on Mars is better and it got canceled.

  • March 6, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    The whole show is anti-climactic.

    by Monkeybrains

    DVR'd the 3rd episode and fell asleep 3 different occasions trying to get through it. Ratings stink so the show will never find it's voice anyway. <p> Sorry Joss

  • March 6, 2009, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Atalo Diakos as Tony Amendola? Erm...

    by Brody77

    Isn't that the wrong way round? Tony Amendola should be bigger, he was one of the best things in the Stargate universe.

  • March 6, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST

    I really wanna like it but ...

    by heroic_duo

    The concept is silly (there aren't real back up singers and floozies in LA?) and the only way it could work is with an actress with exceptional chops which, sadly, Dushku does not have; Amy Acker would be better as the lead. What a bummer; the new Joss show is meh and Daisies was canceled. Unfair.

  • March 6, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Man...What I Could Do With Eliza!!!

    by Media Messiah

    She is really talented!!! Did you all see her in True Lies...and as Faith in Buffy and Angel??? She has that 'It Girl" something...but Joss has not unleashed it here...I think because some concepts need time to be developed before you give them a green light, and that can take a few years of development before you nail it, or longer. This show was just green lit too fast before they managed to nail down...and define specifics.<BR><BR>I see Eliza in more of a ensemble environment, a place that I think she feels more comfortable in, and although the cast of the show is wide, Eliza is being forwarded as the sole star, and that isn't working--as it needs to be a true ensemble in staging. Since I can't seem to influence a change with this show, I would suggest that the producers alter the concept by having the FBI raid the Dollhouse and re-purpose it, and the Actives to go after high stakes national and international jobs, ala nuclear threats and terrorism, etc. I would also suggest that Echo be given a base personality, but that certain mission details...be erased from her memory, redacted to keep missions above top secret, after each engagement, in order to protect the Actives and the agency from leaks, blackmail, and torture should agents be interdicted by enemies of the nation. The difference? The Actives will now know that they are agents...and the parameters of the program they are in. The show should be about their reaction to this, and the consequences of the memory wipes. Are the Actives safer not knowing the details of their missions, or does it place them at higher risk when past enemies come calling?<BR><BR>I really think that this kind of reboot...could serve to save the show...if someone in power at Fox, and or, Mutant Enemy, would just listen.

  • March 6, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Didn't Jeff Bell and Joss write Not Fade Away?

    by boosebaster

    And if you're accepting that nobody at FOX takes you seriously MM, why are you still shouting about your shitty "ideas"?

  • March 6, 2009, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Hahaha...

    by V'Shael

    "Since I can't seem to influence a change with this show" <p> No matter how hard you stare at the television? Or no matter how frequently you post online?

  • March 6, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Seriously?

    by The McPoyle Clan

    You're delusional.

  • March 6, 2009, 4:53 a.m. CST

    I like Dollhouse... I just wish I loved it

    by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl

    Three episodes in and it still kind of feels like all the chess pieces are being moved into place. In a way it kind of reminds me of watching early Supernatural episodes where everything was very by-the-numbers until things started to pick up towards the end of the season with the colt and their father showing up. <p> Hopefully, Dollhouse will try to find it's own colt soon but I hardly have enough faith in Fox deciding to keep this show around.

  • March 6, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    I do have a Terminator series question

    by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl

    Does Fox keep this show around even though the ratings are terrible BUT with a possible blockbuster Terminator movie coming out this summer? <p> Would they consider doing another season if the movie does really well in hopes that maybe it might help spike up the ratings on the television show?

  • March 6, 2009, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Open Letter To Joss Whedon

    by Media Messiah

    The non believers have spoken, but I believe that a wonderful way to introduce new Mutant Enemy genre projects might better begin in comic book form. You can use the comic book medium to develop future projects and characters-- working-out their kinks well ahead of time, before introducing them as series or movies, think of it as a form of story boarding. The naysayers here, have no good ideas, so they rather sit back and attack others; to that I say, so be it...but I am really wishing you well. Instead of glad handing like many others, when things go great, and blasting you, when they don't, I have something to say to add to the proceedings, right or wrong, I am at least giving an effort, and trying. The whole reason for submitting posts to Talkbacks and other chat rooms, I would hope, is to help studio and production company brass to refine their ideas, and mold them for best results--in other words, this is just another good way to gain marketing research...and in that process, finding-out what one's audience wants in order to service that need, hence the reason I have given my opinions and ideas. I hope you take them into account, because these other people are just wishing you cancellation or simply playing witness to the proceedings with no forward thinking to offer, or to even attempt...and that is sad when people rather play spectators in life as hungry Roman arena audiences, begging for another kill, instead of getting involved or attempting to, to build a better reality...if only in the form of the entertainment we are asked to watch.

  • March 6, 2009, 5:06 a.m. CST

    And this show is seriously better than Reaper?

    by DerLanghaarige

    btW, isn't Tony Amendola the name of the actor and not of the character?

  • March 6, 2009, 5:23 a.m. CST

    You should look it up Herc ...

    by webbigail

    I don't think prodigal means what you think it means.

  • March 6, 2009, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Main plot sucks weekly, Other plots excellent.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    They need to make the secondary plots more upfront and cut back on the story of the week. Those suck fucking big time. Will we get to watch echo schlup burgers at McDonalds? Pole dance ( alright that would be fine). Pick up garbage?

  • March 6, 2009, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Prodigal son story. Buy a Thesaurus.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    The story is found in Luke 15:11-32 . Jesus tells the story of a man who has two sons. The younger demands his share of his inheritance while his father is still living, and goes off to a distant country where he "waste[s] his substance with riotous living", and eventually has to take work as a swineherd (clearly a low point, as swine are unclean in Judaism). There he comes to his senses, and decides to return home and throw himself on his father's mercy, thinking that even if his father does disown him, that being one of his servants is still far better than feeding pigs. But when he returns home, his father greets him with open arms, and hardly gives him a chance to express his repentance; he kills a fatted calf to celebrate his return. The older brother resents the favored treatment of his faithless brother and complains of the lack of reward for his own faithfulness. But the father responds:

  • March 6, 2009, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Call a psychiatrist...

    by V'Shael

    MM is now openly praying to his god in a public forum. Only he calls it an "open letter" in the hopes that Joss will somehow read it. <p> Frak me, that's retarded. <p> "The naysayers here, have no good ideas" <p> Here's a good idea: Get help, you freak.

  • March 6, 2009, 6:10 a.m. CST

    V'Shael: Still Failing To Post An Original Idea?

    by Media Messiah

    You have proven my point perfectly. You have nothing positive to add to the coversation at hand, and nothing constructive to say.<BR><BR>Whedon is not a God, or this show would have already been deemed a success, along with everything he touches, Firefly, Serenity...etc. Yes, Whedon is only human, as we all are...and while you sit there at your computer only cyphering venom, try at least to post an idea worthy of this chat room, again, whether I have, or not, is up for debate, but at least I'm trying...where you appear to be so infinitely vacuous, that you can't...and that speaks to your overwhelming lack of intelligence.

  • March 6, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Who's Lubov?

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    don't recall a Lubov and it's not listed on imdb

  • March 6, 2009, 6:36 a.m. CST

    nm, found him

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    imdb hasn't fleshed out the cast for the series yet

  • March 6, 2009, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Needs a midget geek

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Alias had one, Threshold had one.<p> The Warren Meers knockoff, while annoying, isn't as annoying as a midget geek would be

  • March 6, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by V'Shael

    Seriously, that was an idea for you. One I know you won't take up because crazy people never seem to know they're crazy. But you need psychiatric help. <p> Trying to find constructive ideas for Dollhouse though, is a futile exercise. For one, despite what you might think, no one related to show is going to trawl the net in general, or this site in particular, looking for research, ideas, or insight. But for another, the basic concept of the show is flawed, because it's predicated on the assumption that Eliza can act well enough to play believable characters each week which are different to each other. And she can't. <p> It's like when they remade Bionic Woman a few months back, and most people watching the pilot figured out immediately that the main character was actually quite dull and uninteresting, whereas Katee Sackhoff's character stole the show. How can you retool to fix that? You've already cast your lead. Sackhoff is committed to another show. So what can you do? You can get cancelled after a few episodes, that's what. <p> Dollhouse suffers because it's premise is stupid, and it's lead is not up to the task. Don't be surprised if it's cancelled sooner rather than later. There's not much you can do to fix those problems.

  • March 6, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Yep it'll get canceled for three reasons.

    by FookU

    1. Eliza Dushku hot as she is sucks as an actress and doesn't have the range to carry the show. As an aside the whole singing thing last week was just fucking awful. 2. The premise is flawed in that many of the customers of the Dollhouse could just as easily hire a real expert in X field rather than pay truckloads of money for a hot chick that's programmed to do it. 3. It's on Fox on Friday nights.

  • March 6, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST

    It Will All Be Forgotten by This Time Next Year

    by Aquatarkusman

    And Food Court Sorkin will still be on his blog, begging Fox executives for another shot at a plot with mainly sassy young white people.

  • March 6, 2009, 8:01 a.m. CST

    I'd wipe Eliza Dushku every day. I would be Professional...

    by turketron

    That fuckin ass...

  • March 6, 2009, 8:05 a.m. CST

    The Problem is the sublot of tracking Dollhouse

    by kikuchiyoboy

    I mean how hard could it be? Just read the papers for any weird occurrences like for instance a pop star almost killed by stalker but is saved on stage by back up dancer. Heh. Investigate that shit. <br> <br> I think it's an interesting idea about loneliness and control. But it hasn't pulled me in emotionally yet. The last episode in which Echo and Sierra acknowledged each other after being wiped should have been a "woah" moment. But I'm not invested enough to care. Hopefully it'll find it's stride. Sarah Chronicles took 5 episodes to find a groove.

  • March 6, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    I still like the show.

    by Mooly

    It may not be Buffy or Angel at their peak, but it is still a good and entertaining show. Then again, I am confident that as the show goes on, it will become more about Dollhouse itself than just Echo doing something each week. I think these weekly plotlines are just a way of setting up the bigger story. And yes, while the Echo story last week wasn't the most interesting so far, I enjoyed the character she played. Nice to see Dushku playing young and fun andf girly for once instead of always the bad ass, tomboy, extreme jock. As for why not hire an obstetrician? I'm not sure a secret organization, with the ability to turn their agents into anything, is going to want to get outsiders involved time after time. Anyway, I'm interested in the show still and enjoy it and will continue to watch to see where it goes. If there is one problem,I think it is people trying to invest too much in Echo right now when the Dollhouse itself is the main character. Echo won't become a real character until she either breaks out or whatever will inevitably happen once she recovers her own mind.

  • March 6, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Damn, I wish I could remember the Prodigal Son quote

    by chrth

    from Reaper last week

  • Shows like Dollhouse (and She-Spies, and VIP, etc etc ) are thinly veiled shells where hot women are scantilly clad, put in sexually provocative situations... yet have the capacity to kick ass. They should just quit trying to be slick and beat around the bush. Make a show called "Ninja Whores". "... this week on Ninja Whores... they're naked, they kick ninja ass... yes, it's the same plot as last week... but WHO CARES?!?! They're NAKED... and they KICK ASS!!!!"

  • March 6, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Baimun, you have a career ahead of you on Fox.

    by V'Shael

    Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your tv station.

  • March 6, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I'm still on the Fence on Liking this Show

    by Carri

    The pilot ep was crap. But I liked the second ep. Third ep was sort of iffy. Let's see if it delivers tonight.

  • March 6, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    My problem with this show

    by IndyAbbey Jones

    first let me say that I am not a huge Joss Whedon fan. I always hated Buffy and Angel but I will admit to still having the boner I got from watching Serenity and Firefly, however the problem with Dollhouse is that the main character isn't really a character at all, she has no emotional arc because after she has learned that episode’s lesson or experiences they wipe her brain and its back to normal. Hence no character development for the main character, which is just suicide in terms of long term TV seasons. I mean imagine if Jack Bauer was rebooted at the end of everyday of 24, or Michael forgot everything he learned on Prison Break, it would make for boring TV after the novelty wore off.<P>I have watched every episode and will continue to watch but if this show wants to continue and get viewers into the show more then just "I left it on after Terminator but it was just on in the background" then it needs to retcon the first few episodes and have her be able to retain her knowledge of what she is learning

  • March 6, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Needs horny midgets.

    by mrfan

    Would be a better show with horny midgets chasing Echo around. Different midget each week. Yeah. T

  • March 6, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Needs horny midgets.

    by mrfan

    Would be a better show with horny midgets chasing Echo around. Different midget each week. Yeah. T

  • March 6, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I got so excited about horny midgets...

    by mrfan

    I posted twice. Sorry.

  • March 6, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I'd wipe Echo

    by johnnyangelheart

    Insert inappropriate and slightly creepy comment here.

  • March 6, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Dollhouse

    by johnnyangelheart

    I hope the network gives it a chance to develop a following. In a strange way, I think the Friday slot helps, because it means the network has low expectations.

  • March 6, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    And you guys dissing Dushku as an actress...

    by johnnyangelheart

    I don't get it. I think she's a good actress. I think the problem with Tru Calling was the character as written was so blandly boring that no actress could have done much with it. I thought she was great as Faith and she's good so far in Dollhouse, although I think that character still has a lot of development to do. Hell, she's hilarious in that Hula commercial.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I agree, the problem is:

    by Kubla_Khan

    Echo is not really a character, at least not yet. This show has so far failed to draw me in like Joss's other shows, and I honestly think it's because there's nothing to emotionally invest in with Echo. Having a main character with no consistent personality is a very difficult sell. Having said all this, Angel didn't know what it was for ages and then it found its groove. I remain hopeful, but the show currently needs less "did I fall asleep?" and more, "oh I'm sorry, did I just smack you in the face?"

  • March 6, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    EvilWizardGlick

    by XoanonTORN

    My thoughts exactly...I find the 'big' arc plot getting more interesting than the really REALLY stupid episode plots. I'm hoping they change that around, because the mission of the week thing is very 80's...and LAME

  • March 6, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    There's More Tha One Problem With This Show

    by Crow3711

    Eliza Dushku being the biggest one.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Dushku and the Hulu commercial...

    by kikuchiyoboy

    Good call. She is quite alive and actually very commanding for those few seconds. Who directed that commercial? She was quite good in that. <br> <br> Angel is a good comparison for this show. I think it's interesting how Whedon wants to do a stand alone weekly show with sprinkles of something bigger building. But I just hope that it doesn't take too long to start digging into Echo and company. Boyd's the only sympathetic character right now. Not too into the Ballard storyline yet, unless he too was once or is a Dollhouse mind wiped entity. <br> <br> This show has many ways it can go and get interesting. But we definitely need something to emotionally get involved in soon.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Echo's character

    by Toonol

    I am kind of surprised that they have moved so quickly to indicate that Echo is retaining personality traits. I thought we wouldn't se something like that until the end of the season.<p> I'll still be watching the show. Remember how average Fringe seemed at first, and how excellent it got by the end of the season? Give Dollhouse some time, don't be ADD.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Quin the Eskimo

    You remind me of that dude dressed as a wizard that Triumph the Insult Comic Dog went after at his Star Wars Remote. <p> Seriously, everything you and I post here is completely irrelevant to anything other then the current conversation. Please join me in reality of knowing.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Doesn't it almost have to ramp up now?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Whedon started off both Buffy and Angel as monster/mystery of the week in their first seasons while setting up the groundwork for future story archs (or a Soap Opera depending on your appreciation of it). Sure, arguably Firefly suffered with gathering viewers initially by skipping that step (and the network then scrambling the non-crime of the week episodes they were expecting), but it's not like Whedon's suddenly convinced that the A-Team got it right. We all know (even team Whedon) Dollhouse is a stupid premise. That's never been a problem before (Vampire Detective?). No, the question is if the next few weeks we're really entertained when they really open up the bag of tricks.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Prodigal Son/Reaper

    by Gislef_crow

    The Devil: Would you look at that? The Prodigal Son returns. I'm just kidding. I knew the real Prodigal Son, you knew. The dude was an ass. Super needy.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    I don't mind shows that take there time

    by kikuchiyoboy

    but the problem is in the weekly stories. The stories feel like filler before "the real" story begins. <br> <br> But like I said there's enough for me that I actually find interesting.

  • March 6, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    by megatom5

    Dushku sucks period. If she weren't in this show and if Fox wasn't hinging this show in the sexy vacant girl I might consider watching it. I saw the first episode and felt it was retarded. My question is: Why would fox invest in starting a new Whedon series when they already have a sucessful one that they can revive. I mean everyone on this board would much rather see firefly come back, than this pathetic attempt.

  • March 6, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Megatom, because the Capt...

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    is a wise-cracking writer, she's a tough as nails office. Together, they fight crime. Same issue Angel had. Except she was a forensics expert and he was an animated cat teamed up to fight crime.

  • March 6, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    DVRs give a 30% boost in ratings...

    by paulrichard

    for "Terminator" & "Dollhouse" http://tinyurl.com/cdc7e8

  • March 6, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Please... the age of "Whedonites" has passed...

    by Sephiroid

    ... and Buffy wasn't that good of an episode anyway... Tweens fighting vampires and demons. Charmed anyone? Yes, Whedon can do good shows. Dollhouse, so far, is not one of them.

  • March 6, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Gislef_crow: thank you

    by chrth

    REAPER FTW!

  • March 6, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Still no hint of a plot then?

    by Muki

    That trailer was nothing but 2 minutes of CGI space ships. Whopey fucking do, like we haven't all seen that before a million times.

  • March 6, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Oh snap!!!

    by samuraiwahoo

    This show is still on! Damn, I just lost $20. Is it just me or do others think that Dushku would smell down there?

  • March 6, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Joss Q & A on Hulu

    by buffywrestling

    http://tinyurl.com/alp9lc <p> He answered my question - I win.

  • March 6, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    V'Shael: The Net Is For Consumer Research By Companies

    by Media Messiah

    Don't believe for one second that the net is for you or me to chat on...Google information, etc. The internet has been put in place by the government and marketers to research us...consumers. And AICN.com isn't posting chat rooms, Talkbacks, for the hell of it, I suspect that many of the Talkbacks are sponsored by studios, production companies, and or, publicists. It didn't start out that way, but now that AICN.com is famous, things have logically progressed to that. Maybe I'm wrong, but you can bet on this, the studios and production companies do monitor what we say...and compile the information for immediate, or future use. <BR><BR>As far as your latest post, it is informative, and insightful, as you are giving constructive criticism as to why you feel the show, Dollhouse, should be cancelled, and you are right; the show is probably beyond repair. The second pilot, or at least the 3rd episode--on, should have corrected the concept...and rebooted the show. Am I wasting my time in my attempts to sway producers? You are probably more than right on that also, but I figure that since these Talkbacks are up, we might as well forward our opinions...or else, the only thing we will have to post will start to resemble the Script Girl Talkbacks, where all any of us can note is how big a female's chest is...in this case, since we are in a Dollhouse Talkback, that would be Eliza's chest...and that can get boring, week after week, when there is nothing else to say.

  • March 6, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    AAaaaaaah haaaa haaaa haaah ha haaah haaar!

    by boosebaster

  • March 6, 2009, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Sorry MM but...

    by boosebaster

    WHAT FUCKING PLANET ARE YOU FROM??? "I suspect that many of the Talkbacks are sponsored by studios, production companies, and or, publicists. " AAaaaaaah haaaa haaaa haaah ha haaah haaar! Yes of course they are mate. YOU FUCKING PRICK.

  • March 6, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Oi Harry

    by boosebaster

    Can you not just ban this loser? It was entertaining for a while but Jesus Christ why does he have to be inflicted on the world? You could stop the pain man. Ban the stupid little virgin from ever posting again and maybe he'll have to seek some help to sort his fucking mind out. You could save the little shit's life.

  • March 6, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    the internet is for PORN

    by redfishbluefish

    haven't you heard?

  • March 6, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    see! proof!

    by redfishbluefish

    http://tinyurl.com/yu2dxb

  • March 6, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Network interference

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    I'm thinking it was them that insisted on using her as a jizz rag in the first two episodes

  • March 6, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Holy Hell

    is silly.

  • March 6, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    He's like

    by Holy Hell

    Clooney in Burn After Reading - the man doesn't give a shit about you or your paranoia; he's just trying to avoid fucking paperwork.

  • March 6, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Speculation (poss.Spoilers)

    by buffywrestling

    With Sierra getting downloaded as Taffy, I wonder if Echo can only beat Alpha if she gets Alpha's settings downloaded into her a la Buffy vs Adam.

  • March 6, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    no one is who they seem

    by jccalhoun

    If Whedon does it right then the show has possibilities of going to Phillip K. Dick levels of identity confusion. I'm guessing that everyone is mind wiped.<br>br>However, all that aside, the technology guy seems totally incompetent and the whole Dollhouse seems built on a dangerously flimsy house of cards. Something has gone wrong with their tech in every episode. br>br>So the new tech assistant woman is totally the person who remotely wiped Echo, right?

  • March 6, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Damn!

    by samuraiwahoo

    That asian gal is burning up my television. JW needs to focus on here.

  • March 6, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Should have shown the 2nd & 4th ep

    by buffywrestling

    and scraped the 1st and 3rd, really. Ah well, I enjoyed that. <p> The Good: Daughter with linebacker shoulders = Lesbian?, "They're kinda bison.", "You shot me!" "Barely.". Eliza's acting is improving. In fact, the entire cast seemed much more subtle - Lawerence was so pricky, Olivia was emoting, Topher wasn't as smarmy. The writing also flowed better, with patented Whedon-like cliffhagers before the commercials. <p> The Bad: Herc was right. The slipping past gun firing guards was weaksauce. <p> The Ugly: Hiding behinds gym lockers from an explosion. Really? And the hole it left behind looked Xena/Hercules lame. <p> Final Thought: A lot of the shots on this episode were some of the first to emerge in promos and trailers, iirc. I wonder if this ep was pushed back?

  • March 6, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by RickyDMMontoya

  • March 6, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Damn

    by RickyDMMontoya

    Media Messiah, you're a joke. A crazy joke.

  • March 6, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    haha

    by raystevensonwarzone

    Whedon may be trying to unsuccessfully connect with all the old Buffy fans who aren't in highschool anymore. This show is tepid tepid shit that reminds me of all of the classic signs of cancellation we've seen in Blade:the Series, Drive, etc. etc. what a horrible horrible show

  • March 6, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    First off...

    by Dvazquez5138

    The show is pretty good. It's not exceptional, but then again there are tons of other shows that although they hit the target at the start i.e. Heroes they now suck a few seasons in. The show is entertaining and watching it because you are a fan of Whedon's past works is not a good enough reason, nor are those past shows a scale by which this should be judged. It's only four episodes in so there shouldn't be much to expect from the arcing plot of the show, and as far as the adventure-an-episode thing goes, alot of shows have the same self-contained story formula and it keeps the viewer's interest when there's something new to see each week. This is a show, not a movie. Anyhow, anyone who has been watching show already know if they like it or not. I do. If you like it, keep watching. If not, change the channel.

  • I'm excited.

  • March 6, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    media messiah

    by AbsoluteTruth

    i have been an avid reader of these talkbacks for years but hardly ever post. i feel I finally need to. believe it man, you really are a nutbag. get a life. oh and the guy who said you remind him of the wizard from conan obrien LLLOOOLLLLLLLLL i actually thought that while reading his shit before you said that!!!!

  • March 6, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST

    And TERMINATOR: TSCC kicks DOLLHOUSE's ass yet again

    by SpyGuy

    See ya, Riley. You had it coming, but thanks for rolling around on the floor with the Aussie chick before you checked out.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Siegfried and Roy kicked both their asses!!!!

    by JuanSanchez

  • March 6, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    AbsoluteTruth: Then It Is Sad You Have Nothing To Say

    by Media Messiah

    You waited all this time to post...and this was you big coming out party? How anti-climatic? I mean, it's not like I'm the return of Christ? Now, go back into your closet, and post when you have something worthy to say.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Amended--AbsoluteTruth: Then It Is Sad You Have Nothing To Say

    by Media Messiah

    You waited all this time to post...and this was your big coming out party? How anti-climatic? I mean, it's not like I'm the return of Christ? Now, go back into your closet, and post when you have something worthy to say.

  • March 6, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Boosebaster: I Was Being Humble

    by Media Messiah

    People don't like a know it all, MATE, so I was attempting to be somewhat, giving in the conversation. That said, I don't know which of AICN.com's Talkbacks are corporate sponsored, or not, thus...I decided to use the word "suspect". Certainly, some, or most, are corporate sponsored...and that is the way the good people here keep the lights on, nothing wrong with that, as this is a business, and they allow us our opinions...I was just stating that our opinions can effect change in a show, or a movie; not all of the time, no...but sometimes, yes...as there are corporate eyes watching and reading our postings.<BR><BR>PS: God Please Don't Save Your Sorry Ass Queen!!!

  • March 6, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I want a Media Messiah column

    by Mr_X

    I would also like to subscribe to his newsletter

  • March 6, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    That Would Be The Queen Of England

    by Media Messiah

    She is the biggest corporate crook in the world, and you are so smart about it that you allow her and her family, who really are German and not real British royalty, rip you off daily...so you can take care of them...with welfare for the rich, and you waste your time attacking me??? Save it for you crooked Queen and her racist family!!!

  • March 7, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Chief Joseph

    Gee, I wonder why your girlfriend left such a well-grounded individual like you ????

  • March 7, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    "blue skies..."

    by ulcer

    GROAN!

  • March 7, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    "Did I fall asleep?"

    by ulcer

    no, we did :P

  • March 7, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Episode 5: The FBI Hires The Dollhouse For A Mission

    by Media Messiah

    That is the preview at the end of tonight's episode, but by coincidence, I forwarded an idea just hours ago, that the FBI should take over the Dollhouse and re-task them (the Actives) for government missions. Well, the majority response to my posting was attack...after attack, where you said my ideas were no good, and yet, the preview for episode 5, again, strickly a coincidence, as I had no foreknowledge of this information, but it fully suggests that Joss Whedon is moving the show in that direction...at least, for an episode. My point??? You guys said that my ideas were ridiculous, stupid, horrible, and just plain bad??? And yet, within hours, we see that I was thinking along the same lines as one of Whedon and staff's ideas; look at my post. I can't be such a bad idea man, considering that next week's episode, is within the same context of something I just suggested today...something that you guys claimed was off the mark and just bad?

  • March 7, 2009, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Amended--Episode 5: The FBI Hires The Dollhouse For A Mission

    by Media Messiah

    That is the preview at the end of tonight's episode, but by coincidence, I forwarded an idea just hours ago, that the FBI should take over the Dollhouse and re-task them (the Actives) for government missions. Well, the majority response to my posting was attack...after attack, where you said my ideas were no good, and yet, the preview for episode 5, again, strickly a coincidence, as I had no foreknowledge of this information, fully suggests that Joss Whedon is moving the show in that direction...at least, for an episode.<BR><BR>My point??? You guys said that my ideas were ridiculous, stupid, horrible, and just plain bad, things the studio would never be interested in??? And yet, within hours, we see that I was thinking along the same lines as one of Whedon and staff's ideas; look at my post. I can't be such a bad idea man, considering that next week's episode, is within the same context of something I just suggested today...something that you guys claimed was off the mark, and just plain bad?

  • March 7, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Worst episode so far :(

    by Rinse

    The idea for the episode was interesting, and Dushku was fun to watch for a while, but the resolution was extremely underwhelming. For the first time the show left me really cold and not disappointed if it gets cancelled. :(

  • March 7, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    No one laughed at your ideas MM,

    by Monkeybrains

    they just laughed at you. <p> Here is my open letter to Joss <p> Lord Joss, please put Patton Oswald on your show. I know you are reading this right now, so to prove it to everyone, please put Patton on in lets say...2 weeks and that will prove to everyone that you are reading this right now. You can film his scenes tomorrow, mmkay, cause I know he is not busy tomorrow. <p> See, you people watch how much power I have in the industry. I'LL PROVE IT TO YOU BECAUSE PEOPLE LISTEN TO ME. THE GOVERMENT IS READING THIS RIGHT NOW AND THEY WILL GET PATTON ON DOLLHOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhh

  • March 7, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    MM

    by V'Shael

    I know I didn't have anything to bash about your FBI idea. I think it's pointless to propose it, and wouldn't address the two major flaws with the show. (Eliza's acting, and the stupid premise.) <p> However, there are now a few people pointing out to you, that your view/grip on reality is tenuous at best. Now the fact is, there are thousands of people walking the earth just as crazy if not crazier than you, but hey, since you're here, and we're here, I thought it might be helpful to point out that you need help. <p> Of course, you'll ignore it, because crazy people never realise they're crazy. <p> Lastly, talkback boards, even on famous sites, are not tools for marketing. This could be proved to a rational man in any number of ways. But your irrational segueway into talking about the Queen of Englands german ancestry, make me see you in the same vein as the David Icke's of the world. So rational argument would be wasted on you.

  • The power of AICN compels you!He's just giving some constructive criticism and ideas to the show runners on how to run the show. Through the power of osmosis, they have taken on board some of his power suggestions. I even like the way he amends his post with a double post if he's forgotten to paragraph his comments.

  • The power of AICN compels you!He's just giving some constructive criticism and ideas to the show runners on how to run the show. Through the power of osmosis, they have taken on board some of his power suggestions. <p>I even like the way he amends his post with a double post if he's forgotten to paragraph his comments.</p>

  • The power of AICN compels you!He's just giving some constructive criticism and ideas to the show runners on how to run the show. Through the power of osmosis, they have taken on board some of his power suggestions. <p>I even like the way he amends his post with a double post if he's forgotten to paragraph his comments.</p>

  • March 7, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Amended-- sorry for the duplicate post

    by Mr_X

    my bad. also the headings cut off over lord not over load. <b> <p> THIS IS WHY WE NEED MEDIA MESSIAH TO BRING ORDER TO CHAOS </p> </b>

  • March 7, 2009, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Dear Media Messiah

    by Mr_X

    Do you think DollHouse ratings would improve if they had a special guest star from Angel, Buffy or Firefly? I would be very interested in your analysis.

  • March 7, 2009, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Amy Acker was in this episode

    by Unfilmable_Blue_Dong

    you must have missed the scene. Also, the network decided to push back Ep 1. They swapped eps 2 and 1.

  • March 7, 2009, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Unfilmable_Blue_Dong is your name Media Messiah ?

    by Mr_X

    no? then shut the fuck up!

  • March 7, 2009, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Mr. X

    by V'Shael

    I fear your subtle mockery of the man will be lost on him. <p> So I have to wonder, who are you trying to amuse?

  • March 7, 2009, 5:57 a.m. CST

    So who is this Media Messiah guy?

    by FookU

    I knew a guy once that thought that his Dad had put a chip in his tooth to spy on him and he tried to pull it out with a pair of pliers. He also said he talked to Alicia Silverstone on the internet using his mind (he didn't have a computer much less internet). Media Messiah reminds me of that guy.

  • March 7, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    there are rumblings...

    by emeraldboy

    that Wheedon is about to ressurect a lasso yeilding superhero. with dushku in the lead role.

  • March 7, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    that should be..

    by emeraldboy

    lasso weilding superhero. the rumours are that Wheedon is bringing back wonder woman to tv. With Dushku as diana/wonder woman. Lynda carter is keen to play her part as a consultant.

  • March 7, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Yup, still loving it

    by GregoryHarbin

    Obvious 2 and 4 have been the best episodes so far. Perhaps Joss is adopting a Star Trek-movie-like approach to this thing.

  • March 7, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Give it up Herc

    by Volllllume3

    Nobody gives a shit about Joss Whedon anymore.

  • March 7, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by Mr_X

    If Harry can keep ScriptGirl. I am keeping Media Messiah.

  • March 7, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Ep 4 was another nail in the coffin.

    by kabong

    The default memory should include some basic secret agent skills. <P> I didn't see Amy Acker in this ep. :( <P> Ballard can't be Alpha, given his behavior in this ep, so they'd better not try that spin . . . if the series runs for any more eps.

  • March 7, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    arghhhhhhh!!!!!

    by johnnyangelheart

    Ep 4 = major suckage! Where is this shit going? Echo's on a mission. Something goes crazy wrong. Something inexplicable happens. Day saved. Fuck this shit. They need to get this train on the track because right now it is headed nowhere.

  • March 7, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Wonder Woman???

    by mkultra55

    Taking away the fact that if this show fails (which looks very likely) even if there was a WW TV show Dushku is totally wrong for it. She is a very sexy lady but is too short. WW needs to be an imposing figure...not the usual Joss Whedon "little waif girl who secretly kicks ass" type.

  • March 7, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    I hope it gets better

    by aversiontherapy2

    I like the show, see the potential but it's not hitting it yet, and the whole throw the smoke, run around the corner escape had us LOL.

  • March 7, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    bad episode

    by Henry Fool

    uh-oh, Alpha can wipe Echo's imprints, rendering her a sputtering, innocent doll mid mission. Wow, the show quakes with the overwhelming sense of dread this brings. Prediction: Alpha approaches Tamoh Peniket as an ally. We won't realize who he is, at first. We'll be meant to think he's really cool. Then we'll discover his true ID whne he does something terrible. I don't know. I like this show up to a point but I want to love it and it just ain't happening.<br /> <br /> I hope Fringe comes back on soon. In TV land, it's best not to expect too much from a show then grow to like it. As opposed to over hyping something and deifying it to the point where it can never live up. I hope Joss does a show about good kicking evil's ass. That may not be how the world works, but he's really good at it. Go with your strengths. And remember, Joss, give us the hero's journey next time!

  • March 7, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Mr_X : You got me there.

    by V'Shael

    I prefer Media Messiah to Script Girl myself. But then, I'd prefer a root canal to that big titted no-brained excuse for a girl.

  • March 7, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Amended--

    by ElPaw

  • March 7, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Getting better

    by kadayi

    Latest one was good. I liked the fact that the Agent confounded their expectations, and that they expanded upon the idea of what use the 'dolls' can be put to. I also thought it was pretty funny how they had to negotiate with Sierra to get her to advise them, to the extent that they had to show her the money. I thought that was a smart move putting emphasis on the fact that these created personalties aren't necessarily wholly compliant.

  • March 7, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Dusku is best as an anti-hero.

    by fiester

    And I think that's the problem with casting her as the lead in a show, at least on a broadcast network where there is little room for amorality in protagonists (see "Profit").<p> If only a suitable vehical had been found for her on HBO, AMC, FX, Showtime, etc., that would have best utilized her unique skill set: the ability to be sexy, smart, tough, and rotten--while still holding significant appeal. <p> Whedon nailed it with the Faith character; but then she did not need to carry moral weight of the show. SMG did that. Dushku was free to run rogue and it was magnificent.<p> This is part of the reason why I think she'd be a great Black Cat if ever there was to be another Spider-Man flick.

  • March 7, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...as somebody who is not a fan of Joss Whedon (thanks for "Alien Resurrection") yet is tentatively giving "Dollhouse" a chance (watched the first two episodes, will Hulu the rest until "The Clone Wars" finishes its eason), I have to say that it would be an interesting idea for Mutant Enemy Inc. to introduce new properties in the future through comics, working out the kinks, etc. Is it very practical? Probably not-- after all, if you're going to make a kick-ass comic book series, why bother trying to turn it into a television show? Sure, comics don't rake in as much money, but they're much cheaper to produce. It gets down to which medium you're more excited about and invested in, I guess-- Whedon and his crew seem most geared up for making TV shows, but frankly his writing style always sounds really unnatural, to me at least, when spoken out loud by actors. Interesting and entertaining-- perhaps, but I can never suspend my disbelief long enough to tolerate the excessive wit and verboseness far too many of his characters exhibit. However, on the page, it's something I can get used to far more. Just my personal taste, I guess.

  • March 7, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    You know why you think it sucks?

    by Nix_Cadavre

    Because you silly little Whedonites grew out of Joss's juvenile writing, and like the rabid dog it is, Dollhouse (and all other Whedon junk) is due to be shot and killed for it's own good. <p> Congratulations. You're a man now, Toby.

  • March 7, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Media messiah, i'm serious

    by wixmmm

    MM, I am going to be dead serious with you. Someone pointed out the fact that crazy people don't know they're crazy. I happen to be schizophrenic, and I will admit I was even more insane than you. I got through creative writing school when i was manic the whole time. I run a support group for younger people with mental illness. I am not joking around with me--you are mentally delusional. There wouldn't be a single person talking at you the way they have if you woke up and realized you have no effect on a show whatsoever. I used to think the same way, then i got medication and realized I was crazy. If all you did was post your suggestions, people would act very differently. <br><br> Stop calling yourself, or acting like, you're a writer. You're not. You look at other people's stories and attempt to make suggestions that would make them better. There's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong with you is that you feel that you have a special skill that is so difficult to attain. You're wrong--everyone on the planet goes to movies and discuss what could have been done differently/better. Its not a skill. If you want to impress, find some way to suggest a truly original story that proves you have actual creative talent. I am not joking... you need help.

  • March 7, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    correction but not an 'amendment.'

    by wixmmm

    I thought about it, and thinking of suggestions to make stories better is a skill, but not nearly as difficult to attain as the skills a true writer needs to develop. <br><br> And you aren't completely wrong about studios monitoring places such as this--but if they do it to some degree, it is to see how entire demographics are reacting to a show. What makes you delusional is that you think they compile all these fanboy ideas and incorporate them into the shows. Not only is that a crazy thought, it is completely impractical. By the time we see a show on TV, there are many, many completed or nearly completed episodes already done, and on top of that, there is most likely a larger plan that the showrunners have in place for the episodes they haven't made. There's no way they could read ideas like those you present that change the show in a very big way. So yes, the internet is most likely monitored, and if they do it, they could also monitor sites like tv.com where people still think heroes is awesome and where people think the lana story arc on smallville recently was great. Seek help.

  • March 7, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Wixmmm: Thank You

    by Media Messiah

    You're a nice person, however, I would never post an original idea on the net, openly. There are too many thefts, and you can't copyright an idea. I have met, many famous people, as I grew-up in the industry, and what may seem impossible to some people, or just a story...is real life to me. Take the show Entourage...I can tell you that it's real, because I lived it, for a week with the guys that the show is based upon. The show is about The New Kids on The Block...and those who travelled in their circle, including Marky Mark, Donnie, his brother...and Jizz, their cousin, who they insist is a brilliant actor. They looked up to him, and although I never saw him act, I am sure that they learned how to act directly from him. Check-out Donnie at the beginning of The Sixth Sense. I hung-out with the guy for a week, and didn't know it was him until I saw the film credits, that's how good he was in the role. <BR><BR>Why do I mention this? I have grown-up amid and around many, many famous people...and this issue of being a writer, a musician, or whatever...is largely based upon your personal calling in life, and you acting upon it. You are a nobody today, and suddenly, based upon your connections...or luck, you can be a household name tomorrow. It's all about perception and who you know, and sometimes talent has nothing to do with it, and other times, it does...or both. I met a kid...a friend of my brother's--they were in a band together. One day this kid had three groupies, and within 3 years after we met, he had millions of groupies...and became a household name, which he remains. Being a writer or director, etc., is just the act of doing; some make it, others don't...but it begins with thinking of yourself, as what you believe yourself to be. Who is Spielberg? Who is Tarantino? Who is Uwe Boil? All 3 are directors, each on different levels, but they are all diirectors. As a relative of mine says, "What do you call a lawyer who graduates in the last of their class?", right, a lawyer. When chasing your dreams, some will call you crazy, or a hack along the way...or even a genius...you never know how it is going to turn-out, even if you manage to achieve fame in the end. Remember, there are even those now who claim Jesus was a liar, a fake, and or, a crazy...but none of us will really ever know, until we die and get to the other side, and see the light...or just see blackness, and nothing.

  • March 7, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    uhhh, ok

    by wixmmm

    If you 'grew up in the business' and 'around famous people' then WHY are you trying to communicate with Joss Whedon HERE!?! Growing up in the business or being around famous people is... great for you... i guess, but that has NOTHING to do with the fact that you are convinced your ideas here would be taken into account by showrunners.<br><br> If you know the business the way you say you do, then you should be well aware that ideas are not taken (and also cannot possibly be taken because of reasons above) from people who post on this website. Wide demographic studies, yeah, maybe... but ideas to implement into a show? no way. <br><br> Also if you know the business, then you should know that there IS a way to copyright ideas--you write your script, story or even outline, or even a few paragraphs about the main aspects of your project, and then post a similar description of the project here or anywhere. Before you do that, all you have to do is take all of the related writing, put it in a fedex envelope, ship it to yourself, and never open the seal. Its called poor man's copyright and ask around your business contacts--it holds up in court. <br><br> People are calling you crazy not because you may be actively trying to get into the business, they're not calling you crazy because of the ideas you have, they're calling you crazy because you insist your voice here is taken into account by showrunners. That is what makes you crazy.<br><br> When i was undiagnosed and completely out of my mind, I posted here thinking my voice would land me a writers spot on battlestar galactica. I did a similar thing on colbert's website, thinking I could get a job as a writer there. I also dropped out of school and said I could teach myself how to write better than school could. All of those were completely irrational and I see the exact same thing in you--you're textbook. <br><br> Who you know, what you've grown up in, has absolutely NOTHING to do with the reason people call you delusional (which you very clearly are, trust me, i know it when i see/read it)

  • March 7, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    and a sidenote

    by wixmmm

    I got diagnosed, took a semester off, and did go back to school and graduated with a creative writing degree, in a few months i'll be going to grad school. Just a little sidenote about me. <br><br> I went to USC and know my fair share of famous people, people with famous families or families in the business... that means nothing to me, and it won't mean anything until i decide i have my best work ready to something with, then i'll get in touch with my connections. <br><br> Ask around your business contacts--they will tell you having a degree in film or writing does matter...its not that it is required per se, but the overwhelming majority of writers or directors, etc. went to school--which you claim doesn't matter.<br><br> You're an interesting kind of poster--there are geeks, losers, trolls, fanboys, flamers, people who only post to incite arguments, and then there is you--you're in a class of your own, and if i had to define that class it would be the delusional class.

  • March 7, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    It was better.

    by gotilk

    But still not up to even my slightest expectations. Still watching. I felt a bit more drawn in this time, but they need to get rid of the FBI subplot. It feels tacked on.

  • March 7, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    And by the way, while I'm here.

    by gotilk

    No-one else here uses talkback to send secret messages to the writers of TV shows? I thought we all did that. My bad. I know I'm batshit insane though. I just assumed the rest of you had accepted that about yourselves.

  • March 7, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    PROTIP:

    by gotilk

    Use CODED messages. Works like a charm.

  • March 7, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    so far

    by Mr_X

    This talkback has been more entertaining then the show

  • March 7, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    so far

    by Mr_X

    This talkback has been more entertaining then the show

  • March 7, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST

    You got it, Mr_X. You got it twice.

    by kabong

    So we can pitch the networks on a series about flame wars on AICN TBs. <P> Eliza Dushku in the role of Harry Knowles--can't miss!!!!!!

  • March 8, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah -Donnie walburgs cousin was named "jizz"

    by Mr_X

    seriously?

  • March 8, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Mr_X: Yep

    by Media Messiah

    They never said why...his nickname is what it is, but I just guessed at it. He's much older than them, more like an uncle...a handsome model type...and a good guy.

  • March 8, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    I expect Hurley and Libby to join this talkback soon

    by Mr_X

    hello? Is this thing on?

  • March 8, 2009, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah - whats' your problem with the Queen

    by Mr_X

    I'm very fond of her majesty. She just a lot of work for england. And brings in the tourists.

  • March 8, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    The Carlyle Group

    by Media Messiah

    The Queen of England, the Bush family, and the Bin Laden family are all members of the Carlyle Group...a company that has helped to create the constant warring in the Middle East, and around the world, all for profit. The Bush family is America's version of royalty, but corruption, is corruption, and when people die by the millions, to make others money, that is just wrong. I assail the Queen of England, in name, in the same way I assail the Bush family, and the Bin Laden family, also in name, evil is evil, and wrong is wrong.<BR><BR>Dick Cheney is the number one source of charitable donations out of all politicians in the U.S., but, he has also been the number one source of truly evil activity in the name of the U.S., far outweighing his charitable actions, which I can safely conclude, are just a cover for his more seamy and dark undertakings, and the same would be true of the Queen of England. Sometimes those who are evil will present themselves as sheep, among other sheep, when they are really wolves in disguise, who are poised and ready to strike the unsuspecting flocks of the innocent.

  • March 8, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Mr_X: The Carlyle Group

    by Media Messiah

    The Queen of England, the Bush family, and the Bin Laden family are all members of the Carlyle Group...a company that has helped to create the constant warring in the Middle East, and around the world, all for profit. The Bush family is America's version of royalty, but corruption, is corruption, and when people die by the millions, to make others money, that is just wrong. I assail the Queen of England, in name, in the same way I assail the Bush family, and the Bin Laden family, also in name, evil is evil, and wrong is wrong.<BR><BR>Dick Cheney is the number one source of charitable donations out of all politicians in the U.S., but, he has also been the number one source of truly evil activity in the name of the U.S., far outweighing his charitable actions, which I can safely conclude, are just a cover for his more seamy and dark undertakings, and the same would be true of the Queen of England. Sometimes those who are evil will present themselves as sheep, among other sheep, when they are really wolves in disguise, who are poised and ready to strike the unsuspecting flocks of the innocent.

  • March 8, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Her Majesty

    by Monkeybrains

    Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl but she Doesn't have a lot to say. <p> Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl but she Changes from day to day. <p> I wanna tell her that I love her a lot, But I gotta get a belly full of wine. <p> Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl, Someday I'm gonna make her mine, Oh yeah, <p> Someday I'm gonna make her mine.

  • March 8, 2009, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Monkeybrains: Is That An Original Song?

    by Media Messiah

    Because if it is, set it to some punk rock music, and you'll have a hit.

  • March 8, 2009, 4:29 a.m. CST

    wixmmm :

    by V'Shael

    Glad you're getting medication now, but I think you can see what I mean, that MM won't accept someone else (especially someone who doesn't know him in real life) telling him he's crazy, even though that's obvious to people like you and me. <p> For one thing, the word "crazy" has very negative connotations. It would be more correct to say that "he needs help", but it's also correct to say that he won't take that advice. <p> I mean, would you have taken such advice when you were unmedicated? <p> And on top of that, his postings about the Queen of England and the Carlyle Group are just two short steps away from the crazy David Icke brigade. (Check wikipedia if you're not familiar with the man.)

  • March 8, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Did anyone recognize the robber dude?

    by GregoryHarbin

    He was "Kevin," Sarah's ex-fiancée on LOST, a few seasons back. Was really bothering me all through the episode until I looked it up.

  • March 8, 2009, 5 a.m. CST

    V'Shael: Do A Net Search On The Carlyle Group

    by Media Messiah

    I rest my case. It, The Carlyle Group, and its members are also profiled in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11. Not a single reporter has denied the fact that the Queen of England is a member of The Carlyle Group, in fact, I believe she holds the majority interest! Now, if you wish to call them crazy too, respected media organizations, I mean...made-up of both U.S. and International journalists alike...of every political background...BTW, then go ahead, do whatever makes you feel more comfortable in helping you ignore documented facts. But for those who wish to know the truth, do your own net searches on The Carlyle Group for your own answers...and you will see that the information I have posted is accurate.

  • March 8, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah : Your misassumption

    by V'Shael

    is that I am ignorant of the Carlyle Group. I assure you I'm not. I am well read on that group, the Bilderberg group, the Rothschild dynasty, and several other of the major players in world affairs. <p> However, obsessive interest in such groups, and attributing to them "evil" in the world, is another indication of the loosening grip on reality which leads to people like say Timothy McVeigh, moving far outside the norm and taking acts against "them".

  • March 8, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Maybe?...Or Maybe... I...And Others Are Correct

    by Media Messiah

    Read my retort to Alexandra DuPont's review of The Watchmen. I am interested in your honest views on that, not those carrying a pre-disposed view that I am somehow crazy just simply because I have dared offer suggestions for a troubled TV series...and fixes, therein? <BR><BR>As for these so-called "One World Government" groups...that we are discussing, perhaps they are paper tigers and their critics are insane, but there is a 50 percent chance that they are right, thus...all of us better pray that these critics, including me, are simply crazies...or everyone in this troubled world of ours is in for a major wake-up call on that note...and that would include you...and your rose colored grasses that are shading your eyes.

  • March 8, 2009, 6:44 a.m. CST

    PS: My Last Post Is For You V'Shael

    by Media Messiah

  • March 8, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Your post to Ms. Du Pont

    by V'Shael

    was not so much a critique on her review, as a screed in the vein of 9/11 conspiracists. <p> A couple of brief points: 1) It furthers the idea that you're nuts. 2) Anyone who claims to have simple answers to complex questions is probably feeding you a line. Specifically, when you tar Republicans and Democrats as "all the same". The truth is much more complicated than the simplistic view that they are all evil and all out to get us. (3) There's not a 50 percent chance that you are correct. You could be right or wrong, but that doesn't mean both are equally likely. You suck at statistics. <p> The problem with PrisonPlanet, Alex Jones, Art Bell, David Icke, or whatever nutbag you happen to be listening to this week, is that you clearly do not have the rational tools to deconstruct their plausible sounding arguments. <p> No one is denying that the arguments can be plausible sounding. The documentary Loose Change is absolutely riveting in presentation, even if factually full of errors. (Whereas say The Bible Code by Michael Drosnin sucked at presentation, while also being factually full of errors.) Presentation is key, and people like Bell, Icke, Jones et. all make a lot of money by presenting their bull in a package which appeals to those looking for simple answers. (So do religions, so do Fox news commentators, etc..) <p> If you have the intellectual skills to deconstruct that rubbish, you'll get further. I'd recommend "A Short Course in Intellectual Self-Defense" by Normand Baillargeon. <p> However, all that should be put to one side right now, and the larger issue should be dealt with. Specifically, you have a loosening grip on reality and need some help. I can see it, someone who has gone through it before can see it. <p> Sadly, I know you don't see it and won't see it, but morally speaking, I still had to point it out.

  • March 8, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    by oh_riginal

    "Joss Whedon was a great man... but that was another life." DUN, DUUUUN!

  • March 8, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Sigh.

    by phool2056

    I am wanting this series to become good so hard, and it just foils me at every turn. I was into theis episode, it seemed to be really having fun with its premise, and then, whammo, lame ending. They say it picks up at episode six. Maybe I'll give five a miss, watch six, and give it up entirely if I'm underwhelmed.

  • March 8, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    "crazy"

    by wixmmm

    i'm aware of the negetive connotations of 'crazy' but since i actually am schizophrenic i throw the term out there because even i'll admit that i was crazy and will call myself such... its like how gay people can call each other fags and black people can call each other niggAz.

  • March 8, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I wish I could see the original pilot

    by punto

    from the way it was described, it seems like it moved a lot faster than these 4 episodes so far. Even if it moves into some even more confusing place. <p> As I always say, the terminator series is a 40 minute informercial for a 200+ millon movie (subsidized by 20 minutes of ads). Even if it breaks even (I doubt it, it must have _some_ kind of proffit), it's great publicity for the movie.

  • March 8, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    The more I look at jennifer love Hewitt...

    by emeraldboy

    I keep thinking Wonder woman. I cant undertstand her reluctance to do action roles. Ghost whisperer is such a boring show. I would love to see Love hewitt kick ass as a hot action warrior babe.

  • March 8, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    wixmmm

    by Mavra Chang

    MM is not crazy. He's a disgruntled dust bunny. <p> Who's our cuddly-wuddly fluffly widdle bunny? He is! Awwww...

  • March 8, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST

    The Carlyle Group

    by johnnyangelheart

    was formerly known as Kaos. Come on people! Get smart!

  • March 8, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Regarding My comments about love hewitt...

    by emeraldboy

    I remember she starred in that awful jacki chan movie. so maybe action roles, she decided were not for her. She burnt up the screen in the heartbreakers. awful film. but that scene in the office with ray liotta is unforgettable.

  • March 8, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    love Hewitt's

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    ass got as big as texas<p> She's got tb<p> Texas Butt

  • March 8, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Xiphos_2

    You dumb shit bag I can't believe you're STILL peddeling your warmed over nonsensical bullishit you lying rectal itch.<p>Every single time you rear your pointy little dale gribble head you get it handed to you by Wixmann, V'Shael, me and everbody else. Why don't you do this you dumb conspiritard, back the fuck away from your cock masters like alex jones and coast to coast, go out into the sunlight and play in traffic.<p>The only good thing about you is that you're a congenital virgin like Wixmann pointed out, so your waste of genetic material WILL NOT be passed on, you worthless pissant.

  • March 8, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar Binks + Mohinder = Topher

    by chromedome

    annoying, smirking, needs to die soon. <p>Seriously, are we supposed to like this guy at all, with his "man-friend" dialog and his Richard Simmons delivery?<p>If this show dies early, it will be because no one can tolerate him.

  • March 8, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    He shall henceforth be known as Pher Pher Binks

    by chromedome

    aka Tohinder.

  • March 8, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Wow, people get irate

    by kabong

    when their religion of boss worship gets challenged.

  • March 8, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    This Ep was better still....

    by chromedome

    more of the expected vibe, dialog (except for Pher Pher Binks as noted above).<p>Kinda nice to see that someone exists whose phone call makes leader-lady pee herself.<p>Kinda lame that the priceless, ancient work of art was handled directly with oily hands, and security dude balanced it on one hand as he went to open the door. Not convincing.<p>Also cool that the dollhouse has an active messin with the FBI guy.<p>And I liked how the second taffy was identical in tone, attitude, and mannerisms to the first.

  • March 8, 2009, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Good Show

    by Cobbio

    I didn't care for the first episode of "Dollhouse," and voiced my reservations about Eliza Dushku as a leading actress, but now I'm on board.<p> The second, third, and fourth episodes have really kicked ass. Mostly because Dushku has stepped up big time to inhabit the role in a way I didn't think she'd be capable of doing. I applaud her efforts and look forward to upcoming episodes.

  • March 9, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    J-Love

    by oisin5199

    Ok, I watch Ghost Whisperer - guilty pleasure. Yeah it sucks, especially this season with the whiny soap opera, but it's a nice escapist fantasy about dealing with death. But there was an ep early this season in which Hewitt entered into a virtual world with cool makeup and outfit and had some action scenes. She pulled it off pretty well and looked pretty hot doing it. I don't see her as Wonder Woman (too whitebread), but maybe Black Canary. <p> Is there a way to ban a certain user from certain talkbacks? I'm soooo sick of Dollhouse talkbacks being dominated by Media Messiah and his ravings, as well as people talking about him. Just once I'd like to discuss the actual show, and not Media Messiah's clinical problems. <p> anyway, while I'm still lost on the Ballard subplot, I definitely like how each week we're dealing with a different theme about identity - I especially like the 'I'm not broken' stuff and the Picasso. I've certainly been enjoying the show, not 'loving' it like I have past Joss shows, but it's certainly keeping my interest more than Terminator, which is just unrelentingly drab, dark and one-note most of the time.

  • March 9, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Kill off Echo.

    by Raymar

    And make Sierra the star. Mmm...

  • March 10, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    My God

    by watch_the_world_burn

    You're right Mr X - this talkback is more entertaining than the show.<p> Wixmmm and Media Messiah: you are both as fucked up as the other. As Brodie once said "You guys are retarded for each other". Get over yourselves, or better yet - get a room.