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“Heroes,” which on Monday hit an all-time personal ratings low in key demos, will receive an order for 18-20 new episodes next season, new NBC entertainment president Angela Bromstad told The Hollywood Reporter. The series' ratings fell precipitously during its second season and have fallen “about 30%” more since its third-season premiere, according to the Hollywood Reporter’s James Hibberd. Nonetheless, “Heroes” still ranks as NBC’s top-rated series (roughly tied now with “The Office”). Bryan Fuller, who wrote the series’ best season-one episodes but departed before the first season's conclusion to create and oversee ABC’s now-defunct “Pushing Daisies,” rejoined “Heroes” early this year. The first new episode on which he had some input airs Monday. The only third-season episode on which Fuller will receive “written by” credit, titled “Cold Snap,” will air March 16. Fuller, who recently signed a two-year contract with NBC Universal, will help guide “Heroes” till the end of its 25-episode third season and intends to continue with the show into season four. There’s now talk of NBC following the “Lost”-“Galactica” model and setting a long-term series end-date for “Heroes,” though NBC currently wants “Heroes” to continue beyond its fourth season, according to the Reporter. Bromstad also indicated she sees NBC’s continuity-heavy sci-fi project “Day One,” about apartment dwellers who survive a mysterious worldwide cataclysm, as likely to fill the “Heroes’” Monday timeslot, presumably during “Heroes’” fourth-season hiatus. "‘Day One’ is a big event and we're looking at that to come into the 'Heroes' spot," Bromstad told the Reporter. "It's right now being looked at as a 13-episode run -- something people could commit to and we could make a big splash with." Find all of Hibberd’s story on the matter here.

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  • March 5, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    ign.com scoops you guys all the time

    by funnyhat

    why do i find news here hours or days after a videogame site posts it?

  • March 5, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    PS: was there ever a question?

    by funnyhat

    it's the top rated series for NBC between 18-49males, it's a huge worldwide hit in the UK, France, Russia, Australia, South Africa, Japan, South Korea, etc...., and even though the show has had its problems, it's still one of the few watchable shows on TV every week.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I fully predict those who loved every episode of...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ... season one will like next season too.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    this is what i mean (about you getting scooped AICN)

    by funnyhat

    from IGN.com earlier today (why isnt this on AICN main page?!?!) March 5, 2009 - Austin Powers and Meet the Parents helmer Jay Roach is gearing up to shoot his long-in-development Dinner for Schmucks, reports Variety. The film was, according to the trade paper, "one of the most contested projects during last year's Paramount-DreamWorks divorce." Paramount won partial custody rights in that particular battle -- retaining the right to be a financial partner and distributor on the picture -- and is now partnering with Spyglass Entertainment to finance most of the production. Steve Carell and Paul Rudd will star, and are said to be making room in their schedules to shoot the film in October. DreamWorks, meanwhile, will take a 33% stake in the film "once it secures its own financing." Dinner for Schmucks is a remake of the 1998 French comedy Le Diner des cons. Sacha Baron Cohen was previously intended to star, but as Variety puts it, "the fickle comedian last year quietly unattached his name from the project, in which he would have starred as the most pathetic guest to ever grace one man's weekly dinner gathering." Roach's last big-screen project, the sci-fi comedy Used Guys that was to have starred Jim Carrey and Ben Stiller, famously fell apart in 2006 because of budget problems.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    The whole Fugitive arc has actually been pretty awesome....

    by thecomedian

    But all the mindless negative bitches who have to have someone else tell them something is good have abandoned this show. Now that Fullers back all the sheep will come back to pasture. <br><br> Look, I know there were a lot of stupid forehead slapping moments in second season and in Villains but I'm telling you, heroes is actually pretty good right now.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    IGN

    by Playhouse

    They are owned by Fox/News Corp., so they probably have a few more ins than many sites now. But yeah, I've been seeing a number of sites coming up with scoops a lot quicker nowadays.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    playhouse

    by funnyhat

    That makes sense. I always considered IGN 'fox news' of geek websites. But I'd imagine if IGN is getting these stories posted, sometimes days ahead of AICN, why they aren't just running off their stories? IGN's news page has as much movie and comic news as it does videogame news. I stay away from every other part of that website, but their news page is in my favorites.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I stopped watching this show

    by NoQuarter

    about two episodes ago. I don't miss it, and I doubt I'll even bother to watch an future Fuller-penned episodes.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    thecomedian: sorta

    by funnyhat

    if you ignore all the problems the show has with continuity, yeah this chapter has been pretty bad ass. But there are lots of holes and just terrible plot devices that arent ever answered... Like why didnt either of the 2 guys who could time travel for 3 seasons go back in time and just kill the bad guys, thus saving everyone who died? I love how they have gotten totally away from the time travel, and they are starting to earn back their good will. Lets see what happens in a few episodes when that guy who used to be their head writer during season 1 comes back (he started back on heroes when pushing daisies got canned), and we see his hand in the end of the season.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Big mistake

    by jimmy_009

    This show is awful. I just know NBC told the Heroes team "We're green lighting the next season, but we want ratings -any way possible-." Expect lots of lesbian kisses, guest stars, ridiculous (moreso) plot developments, and more, next season on Heroes!

  • March 5, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    More ZEROES... who cares?

    by Unscripted

    It just goes to show how hungry the TV audience is for sf shows that this piece of overwrought, undercooked crap still has an audience.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    An end-date for Heroes...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...is a mistake. Look-- the show's suffered from two main things: the writer's strike cutting the second season short, forcing the writers to abandon their long-term plans, and inspiring them to listen to the fans, which resulted in the near train-wreck that the "Villains" arc was. "Heroes" is a good show with an even greater formula-- all you really need to do to keep the show alive is the same thing you do in comics, and find a new writer, a new showrunner. I've never thought this before, but maybe Fuller rejoining the staff really is the magic bullet to keeping the show vibrant. Either that or finding some writers who aren't so slavishly attached to the status-quo of the series.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    They need to kill off half the cast

    by ides

    It's the only way to fix the story meltdown that's been happening for the last two years and restore some hope of continuity.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    How bad are NBC's ratings...?

    by supertoyslast

    ...if a show which has fallen by 30% or more is its top show? I'm also quite surprised that The Office gets relatively high ratings. I haven't checked the ratings in a while, but the last time I did, The Office was getting nowhere near the numbers that NBC sitcoms were getting just a few years ago.

  • March 5, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Is anyone still watching this?

    by Iron-kong

    Seriously.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I want destructiion

    by funnyhat

    The biggest constraint for the show is its unwillingness to dump core characters, even for a few episodes. Permenantly kill off some capes, and bring in some new ones. Even ones with variations on other's powers. Fresh faces, fresh attitudes, fresh motives. Just establish some other characters other than Peter, Claire, Mohinder, Suresh, HRG, Parkman, and Nathan. Any time they do develop characters, they take them away or don't feature them for what seems like months. <br />Change the cast. Otherwise this will become a watered down 90's xmen cartoon where the only thing that changes is the setting and the antagonist, and everything else stays the same.<br /> What if the next volume is post-apocalyptic? Gotta keep this fresh, or else you'll eventually have people fighting dinosaurs, giant robot suits, an alien invasion, and a giant blue glowing superhero with the power of 'anything'. They just need to keep killing people, adding new ones, and coming up with new plotlines.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Matt / Daphne is borderline creepy

    by ides

    Given that he's 15 years older than she is. I like her character, but their relationship is hard to buy, to say the least.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Eliminate the following:

    by ides

    Matt, Nathan, whoever Ali Larter's character is this year, and Angela Petrelli. They've all been screwed over by the writers. Possibly even Mohinder, but he may be salvageable. Bring back Christopher Eccleston's invisible man from season 1 (if they can get him again).

  • March 5, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Oh, and why do Hiro and Ando both still think. . .

    by ides

    That Ando kills Hiro in the future? 1. They eliminated that future in the last "volume." 2. They both know Hiro's red lightning power isn't (at least currently) a power that can cause harm.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    SUCKS

    by jambone

    ASS! The big season ending episode of Season 1 began the long downhill slide.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    More shows need planned end dates

    by funnyhat

    I am all in favor of limited run series, less than 20 episodes, as long as they complete a story. If say, Jericho, was a 25 episode arc, I bet we could have squeezed a much much MUCH better complete run than it had. I believe shows where the audience KNOWS the ending is planned will give a show the benefit of the doubt, since things that have a planed conclusion usually payoff better than shows that end 7 years down the road after 1 bad season.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    i know that was off topic

    by funnyhat

    but it was my way of saying Heroes would have been a huuuuge success, maybe even a MOVIE franchise, if they had just planned an initial 2 season run and ended it.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    ides

    by itrainmonkeys

    I think the only reason they would think that is because they aren't sure that the future can be completely changed. Hiro learned that with Charlie (tried to change the past/present to save her fate - but it didn't work. And writers from the show have stated that we'll learn more about Ando's power and what else he can do soon.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    it is awful

    by Judge Briggs

    im trying so hard to like it because there isn't much else to watch... sigh, miss Angel, Farscape, and Buffy....... at least there is the ever so dependable Lost and BSG... which is ending... bring back Deadwood and Carnivale... fuck.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    If Heroes were on ABC, CBS or Fox....

    by Pennsy

    With series-low ratings almost every week since the end of the Villains arc, it would have been cancelled at the end of its season. But what else does NBC have? They're already ceding 25% of their primetime lineup to Leno for purely economic reasons. They are in Epic Fail mode. I can't say I'm surprised at this renewal, but I can say on merit, they don't deserve a season 4 pickup.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Heroes is a really bad show.

    by Brian

    I fell off the Heroes wagon at the beginning of season 3. I read up on the story progress, but I can't bring myself to sit down and watch an episode.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Pennsy

    by funnyhat

    I kind of agree. But the show is a moneymaker. Heroes may be convoluted, and struggling to get back on its feet, but its half-decent Sci-Fi. And its on network TV. It makes no sense for NBC to kill the show. It's better than the scifi channel movies of the week, better than stargate, and so on and so forth. It's got high production values, and it tries. One can't help but wonder if network meddling is what watered down the series. Remember the original plan was to start from scratch each season with few characters carrying over, like a real comic. <br /><br />anyway, this show might be a failing in the ratings here, but in other countries where production values are low and imported content is king, Heroes is cleaning house. Australia, UK, Brazil, Russia, and Japan eat this crap up week in and week out.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Is this good or bad news for Chuck's chances?

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Or does it not affect things?

  • March 5, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Just a bad show

    by lockesbrokenleg

    NBC's Monday shows are God Awful.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    NBC shows suck in the ratings

    by skimn

    but I imagine they do well as downloads, DVD sales, and overseas (sp action shows like this and, ahem, Knight Rider). The Cosby/Cheers/Seinfeld years must seem like a century away.

  • March 5, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc?

    by skimn

    Maybe a Breaking Bad TB this season???? Pleeeeeeeezzzzzeeee.

  • March 5, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I still like this show

    by Carpet_Pisser

    Can't really explain why. Maybe it is because I so badly want it to be good. I do realize that season two sucked major Manhattan blue balls, and Villians was like giving a child with ADD caffeine and sugar breakfast lunch and dinner. It never knew where the fuck it wanted to go. But I think things are starting to get a bit more grounded (finally) in Fugitives. Peter isn't being his usual naive, wussy self, and seems to be willing to do what it takes. And the characters week to week have been pared down so that there arent five or six different threads going on at the same time. We'll see, it can get fucking great, but if the ratings don't recover, then it is gone anyway. Then we'll have the new Fear Factor or whatever shit reality show they will put on in its place.......Sigh

  • March 5, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Wow!

    by Dead_Geek

    More SUCK per season! Show is dead and it doesn't know it. Hahaha!

  • March 5, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Why will this show not die?

    by Hansorg

    honestly...

  • March 5, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    It's NBC's only cash cow. It has to live

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • March 5, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    herc - listen to skimn please

    by itrainmonkeys

    breaking bad deserves a talkback. it's an amazing show and I can't wait for season 2 to start. walt is such a great character and cranston really has acting chops and deserved that award

  • March 5, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    supertoyslast...

    by GaiustheBrave

    I think the 30% dip was from the season's premiere, alone. I believe I remember it getting pretty high ratings. So, if it lost 30% of a higher-than-usual- ratings number, it may not be the big dip that Herc wrote it as. That's my theory. And, no, I'm not defending the show. I'm actually pretty disgusted that season 1 melted down to the farce that was season 2, then season 3.

  • March 5, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Unwatchable

    by Muzzle

    That is all

  • March 5, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    The 4400 was still a better show!

    by HB_Dad

    The 4400 was still a better show! Since Heroes is blatantly ripping off the 4400 anyway, they should just replace it with the 4400 instead!

  • March 5, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Hell yea, The 4400

    by turketron

    I remember in Heroes s1 back when everyone was gushing over it and bashing the 4400, saying "Heroes is truly how a show about people with powers should be done!" How the times change. Back then they also claimed it was a better genre show than Lost/BSG/etc, so yeah....

  • March 5, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    sucks that we never got an ending to 4400

    by turketron

    It would have been nice if the people behind the show could have at least come up with a nice written epilogue of how things would have played out.... Jordan Collier was a pimp and his replacement (the Marked guy) became Chromartie/John Henry on Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Also find it funny that the kid that took the Promycin for powers on Heroes also ended up as a human taking an injection for powers on Heroes. Sadly, he got fucking killed in the next episode...

  • March 5, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    4400 was hit and miss

    by ides

    Was hurt more by outside casting factors than any show I can think of. Actors wandered onto and off that show at random. The miniseries was great, but the show itself was hit and miss and could never really get into a lasting rhythm.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    The last episode was godawful

    by Liberty Valance

    I've been defending this show for years, praying it would get back on track. But this week's episode "Exposed" was the worst example of lazy, sloppy writing I've ever seen from this show. We got cliched dialogue ("I love you just the way you are," etc), recycled cop-outs (Nate flying in to save Peter for about the 200th time), the 5th (?) addendum to the Sylar origin story, contrived suspense (everyone clumsily making loud noises when trying to escape/hide) and simple pissing in the face of logic (feds videotaping their own black op, laminated IDs which haven't been around for about 20 years). Fuck this episode and everyone involved with it. They need to start killing people quick. Matt, Daphne, Hiro and Mohinder can all die painful deaths right fucking now. Give Peter all his powers back and pit him against Sylar. It's what everyone wants and what the show was originally set up to be.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Ben Silverman is probably aware of this show's problem

    by Henry Fool

    Personally, I think Ben Silverman and Co. are aware that this show fell apart after Bryan Fuller left. Now that he's back on board, we should just think of Season 3.5 and beyond as being the real Season Two. We should try and forget what came between now and then.<br /> <br /> However, I must admit that the writing has gotten so bad that I've started to look at the characters as being a bunch of cartoon characters. It's going to be tough to view them as real people again. I regard Heroes Season One very highly. It's up there with Season One and Two of the Sopranos, Season Two and Three of Buffy, and any season of Galactica. But when this show took a nosedive it went straight fucking down. Maybe I'll pop in the DVD's again, see if they stir any sentiment. That might help me get excited about this show again. If not, there's always the next big thing to look forward to, whatever the Hell that is.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Lost wins by default

    by Luscious.868

    Heroes blows. End it.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    i miss pushing daisies....

    by mithrandir16

  • March 5, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Still better

    by Kessler

    than most of the reality shows out there.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    claire making noise while escaping

    by itrainmonkeys

    After Claire's mom and Lyle were in the car and the agents heard a noise in the bushes I thought "ooooh good idea. claire is the second distraction to keep the agents off the trail of the escaping aquaboy". I figured the agents would run to the noise and find claire there - with a smile or some cheesy dialogue, but no - she HAD to go with the guy and of course they made tons of noise while escaping. Then sitting in the grass, flirting and acting life their lives aren't in danger. I still like the show......but sometimes I have to laugh at it.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    NBC's only hope...

    by sapno_krei

    ...is that sad, stupid show? Wow. How far NBC has fallen. I laughed out loud when I read they wre going to try to follow LOST's model and set and end date. Too late! The fans set that end date, and it was about a season and a half ago.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    by eoneon

  • March 5, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    both 4400 and heroes, rip off rising stars

    by bacci40

    so you can all fuck off<p> and the show sucks, not because of the writers strike, but because kring lied about having a show bible...he doesnt...he and the writers made everything up as they went, and then allowed themselves to be written into corners that they couldnt get out

  • March 5, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Heroes really is terrible now

    by Muki

    Every episode is the same: evade and capture, evade and capture. There’s never any real sense of peril and consequently it’s hard to invest in any of the characters. I feel sorry for the actors. They look so bored, almost embarrassed at what they’re having to play. And why is Bryan Fuller so highly rated on this site? People forget that he was a staff writer on the worst of the Star Trek series – Voyager and regularly churned out crap week after week for that show.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Heroes is getting better

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    This arc has so far been really good. Claire is even not as annoying as she once was. And Peter only having only one ability at a time has completly saved that character. As long as they don't give Hiro back his full powers, things look pretty good. Having too powerful characters was ruining the show

  • March 5, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Fuller, work hard to make it worth losing PUSHING DAISIES

    by Drath

    because right now, this is the fuckingest fucked up joke of the year.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    And....

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    ... thankfully there's a lot less of the heroes switching allegiences every five minutes like they did in previous seasons. I'm hopeful Heroes can get good again. It'll never be as good as Lost, but that goes without saying

  • March 5, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Fuck the Cheerleader, save the world

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    I have to ask. If you were going out with Claire, would her powers keep her in a constant state of virginity???

  • March 5, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    "better than most reality shows out there"

    by skimn

    Thats like preferring banging a hammer on your kneecap versus jamming an icepick on your eyeball.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    And Life on Mars gets cancelled

    by gerrylum

    But this show seems to stay alive no matter how bad it is. It's a sad world...

  • March 5, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Heroes is the worst thing on TV right now

    by FuryofthefilmFan

    I mean it, it's worse than even 2 1/2 men which is on like every 30 minutes in some station. Heroes is just unwatchable. Its basically the same show EVERY show.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    bacci40

    by rassmguy

    "and the show sucks, not because of the writers strike, but because kring lied about having a show bible...he doesnt...he and the writers made everything up as they went, and then allowed themselves to be written into corners that they couldnt get out "<br /><br />And being a member of the show's staff, you know this, I guess?<br /><br /> For crying out loud.

  • March 5, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    muki - evade and capture

    by itrainmonkeys

    You don't like the evade and capture aspect of the volume titled "Fugitives"?

  • March 5, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    It's a sad day when Superheroes make you bored out of your skull

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • March 5, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Why ?

    by jarjarmessiah

    I gave up this show after the white immortal samurai guy showed up to fight hiro.

  • March 5, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Ahhhh yes, its all clear now. Heroes is an NBC Universal

    by skimn

    Production, so the longer they stay on the air, the longer they can milk syndication dollars and DVD sales. And as stated overseas revenue.

  • March 5, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    no, it doesn't suck because of "lack of a show bible"

    by turketron

    They make it up as they go on BSG and it works out pretty well...Sure some clunkers here and there but overall an awesome show. With its budget Heroes should be a lot better. I'm still watching torrented episodes because my monday nights belong to Rack and Jack Bauer, but I sure as hell am not waiting with baited breath for every episode as I am with Lost, Supernatural, or BSG. Heroes feels like it's made by fucking amateurs.

  • March 5, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    re: itrainmonkeys

    by Muki

    Nope, not when it's 2 or 3 times every single episode. I mean c'mon, how many times has a major character been captured only to escape 5 minutes later, and then captured again the next episode, only to escape again … ad infinitum Hardly great television is it?

  • March 5, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Rack and Jack Bauer...lol

    by skimn

    I loved her jumping on the back of the boat...

  • March 5, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Still bitter

    by skydemon

    Yea NBC, stand behind HEROES through thick and thin, and I'm not knocking that, but where the hell was the support for Journeyman?? You had a damn good show there and pissed it away! Oh but you'll bend the hell over backwards and do flips for HEROES while the writers push out crap for two seasons. Its' a sin that quality is sacrificed for ratings.

  • March 5, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    i've just read that fox are now counting dvr

    by FamousEccles

    in their assestments and that raises dollhouse by 30%. what about Terminator?

  • March 5, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    good point muki

    by itrainmonkeys

    It has happened a lot (getting caught - escaping). Really makes the hunter's team look incompetent. I can excuse some of it because the hunter has kinda underestimated the use of their powers, but sometimes I'd just like to see them hold on to someone (Tracy or whatever the characters name is now doesn't count - because she sorta escaped already).

  • March 5, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    re: skydemon

    by itrainmonkeys

    correct me if i'm wrong but I don't think the first season's ratings for journeyman were as good as heroes first season. also america didn't "fall in love" with the lead character like so many people did with claire, peter, and hiro.

  • March 5, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    don't even get me started on fucking Terminator

    by turketron

    That shit has been mediocre as hell since it came back for the second half of the season, and last week's episode was flat out awful aside from Summer Glau in bra & panties for no reason. I'd totally frak that toaster.

  • March 5, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    tv execs suck - journeyman was awesome

    by FamousEccles

    his missus was quite the fetch

  • March 5, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Even IF HEROES has a GREAT fourth season...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    so many original fans have left, never to return.<p>The day I finally deleted it from my DVR series recordings was very satisfying.<p>This show might go on for a few more seasons, but I'm done watching it forever.

  • March 5, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    turketron - no need for vulgar language

    by FamousEccles

    that you upset just means you care

  • March 5, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    rassmguy...no, but any idiot can tell

    by bacci40

    or did you not notice how disjointed season 2 was<p> were there the 5 year plan that kring insisted that he had, that wouldnt have happened<p> you can also add that fuller being on staff gave the show heart...something that loeb and the other writers are incapable of<p> and i didnt watch this week, but i watched last weeks show...talk about filler...it was a rehash of everything that everyone who watches the show knew what was going on, but from the mind of hrg<p> one hour of pointless tv<p> it seems that nbc has chosen to give up on their prime time schedule...thats fine, i dont watch anyway

  • March 5, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    They should end it!

    by CeejayNightwing

    It's turned to contrived and corny shit. The whole Nathan hunting his own kind operation is utterly stupid and nonsensical. Far too many characters simply disappeared without a trace like the Black girl who could mimic, the kid who controlled machines, the boy who could fly and the Invisible man. The Haitian was wasted too, first he was an asset helping to capture these guys, then he was on his own mission to take down his brother, then he disappeared again. Sylar was bad, lost his powers, became good, became bad again, died, came back to life and now he's after his father. Peter was good, lost his powers, became bad for a while, got lite-version of powers back, and is now an outlaw. The plots are stupider than most comics and the characters worse written too. If anyone needs to die it's Ando and Hiro, they're a waste of spce. The version of Hiro that came back from the future in the fist season with the serious frown and sword should come back and kill them both. if Hiro had developed into that character than at least the show would display some progression. Instead it has regressed to utter incestuous shit with every story about a coming apocalypse and every villain and hero elated to each other and Kevin Bacon. End this!

  • March 5, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    skydemon...journeyman had life on mars ratings

    by bacci40

    and was not going up<p> if i was running the network, i would kill heroes now, but i also wouldve killed journeyman at the end of season 1<p> and i think journeyman's demo skewed older...older doesnt sell soap<p> little girls still love heroes...little girls buy soap

  • March 5, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    soap????

    by FamousEccles

  • March 5, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Just proves to me...

    by Abone

    ...how fucking stupid 95% of the viewing audience is.

  • March 5, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    F. THIS. SHOW.

    by the_patriot

    I got to the end of season 1 and that was a bloody task. After repeated warnings by many friends, I dived into season 2 - and yes, the set end date should have been the last episode of season 1. I repeat, F THIS SHOW. Even though I trust Brian Fuller and his writing abilities, even he cannot draw me back into the vortex of sucktasticness that is Heroes.

  • March 5, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Heroes sucks as much as Jerry Jones

    by Wcwlkr

    This season and last season has been God awful. This collaspes is equivalent to how bady Jerry Jones has Fucked up the Cowboys.

  • March 5, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    And...

    by the_patriot

    And some people say that Americans have no sense of intelligent writing when watching TV shows and fall toward the lowest common denominator? If this show is truly as successful in as many foreign markets as Funnyhat says up above me, then I shall print and use this talkback as a talisman for every person in the future that says it's only Americans that are idiots. Because FRAKKING HELL. "Heroes: Spreading uninspired writing and stories since 2006."

  • March 5, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Absoutley Crap

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    And this article is the only reason we have a Heroes talkback at all. Anyone notice the last 2 weeks there wasn't shit on Heroes? <br> <br> Cause it truly a terrible show and insulting to fans how inconsistent it is.

  • March 5, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    firefly rots in hell while this cack...

    by cool_britannia79

    ...gets a 4th season?! Fucking amateurs!

  • March 5, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Complaints about ratings.

    by Zardozap2005

    Has anyone bothered to check out how Heroes does ratings wise when you include Live+7 DVR time-shifting data? Or how they do ratings wise when you watch them streamed from Netflix? No. You just bitch about how you don't watch it anymore, because your own opinion on the internet matters just about as much as mine does. Hates can go watch made-up-as-you-go Lost, and stop coming here and bitching about shows you no longer watch.

  • March 5, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Lamers...

    by Zardozap2005

    "It's turned to contrived and corny shit." Sounds a lot like Battlestar Galactica and it's sister show Lost have been since their first seasons. Wow, and I bet some of you think comic books from both DC and Marvel have been absolute tomes of literature for the past couple of years as well? Give me a fucking break.

  • March 5, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Nothing But Crap! on this channel

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Remember when it aired Howie Mandell three times a week? Where did that shit go?

  • March 5, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I know why their ratings are down, duh...

    by jonsnow

    The timeslot puts heroes against 24. If they would put the show on at 9 o'clock on either Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday or Sunday they would gain a ton of viewers. But Mondays at 9 and sometimes 8-10 belong to the Jack Baer Power Hour(s).

  • March 5, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    supporting heroes with the statement

    by FamousEccles

    ' made-up-as-you-go Lost ' -the spit take ruined my keyboard

  • March 5, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Herc - Breaking Bad

    by Captain Hollywood

    I was checking this thread http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40271 and you said one of the winners didn't respond. Did you ever end up getting my e-mail/information?

  • March 5, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    jonsnow - is Jack torturing the Heroes

    by FamousEccles

    before killing them? I hope he went to town on the pervy cop - and before you Heroes lovers say anything I do still watch it so I have every right to bash it - high ground you losers so don't try it!!!

  • March 5, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Sorry

    by Captain Hollywood

    This thread http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40273

  • March 5, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    that's because Firefly was outstanding

    by FamousEccles

    you can't have good shows on tv - that would be mad

  • March 5, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    a few things

    by wixmmm

    first, calling this one of the 'few decent shows on tv today' only shows your ignorance about what actually is on today. Chuck is great, but its not everyone's cup of tea, but it does what it is very, very well... it does not 'suck.' if you don't like it, fine, say why, or just admit you don't like the kind of show chuck is... but it does not suck. What else is on: Supernatural, BSG, Lost, WONDERLAND (unfuckingbelievable show, it ended its miniseries run on directv last night, so you can get all eight eps with torrents) house is always solid, fringe is decent, life is above average, mentalist is good, psych is good, nip/tuck is a guilty pleasure, rescue me is coming back with a long seasson, the office and 30 rock are great comedies and both are getting more and more popular, even this season of smallville (minus the lana episdoes) is better than heroes this season.

  • March 5, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    what's WONDERLAND about??

    by FamousEccles

  • March 5, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    another thing

    by wixmmm

    Not this past monday but the monday before that I officially gave up on heroes. I have been unmotivated to watch it for a while now, but i decided to just watch it and i stopped in UNDER A MINUTE. Peter and mohinder are hiding behind a car talking about whatever stupid plan they were going to do but i LOST IT when peter said "we need to find out whose behind these kidnappings" uhhhh, hello... NATHAN is behind it--it was VERY clear in the previous episode--nathan came to meet whoever nikki is called these days and then peter came out and then the snipers were exposed and peter flew away. FUCKING TELL ME WHY PETER IS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO IS BEHIND IT WHEN A SCENE MADE IT CLEAR, WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT. The show has become more and more insulting to the intelligent viewer every week. its unacceptable, and i HATE it more than anything on these talkbacks when someone says 'cancel it already.' I cannot believe I would EVER say this, especially about what was one of my top three shows at one point, but this show needs to be gone so the viewer can forget about it and a real superhero show that knows how to take advantage of the infinite amount of potential a superhero show can have. I should have known kring would fuck this up when i read how he wanted to do season two with 'all new characters with different backgrounds.' Right there I should have thrown the red flag--kring is only interested in origin stories and aside from that has absolutely no ability to sustain a solid superhero show, mostly because he writes off comic books as kids stuff, and even creates cliche comic book fans in the show... its insulting to viewers intelligence, its insulting to comics fans, its insulting to the genre, and more than anything, its insulting to the entire medium of comic books. Kring doesn't deserve to be a showrunner for any show ever again. i want his career dead because he fucked up superheroes. you gotta be an ignorant and closed minded person to refuse to acknowledge the potential of comic books when you are currently making a superhero show.

  • March 5, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    wonderland

    by wixmmm

    wonderland is about a psych ward in new york city. honestly, episode seven was easily one of the best episodes of television i have ever seen in my life, and i follow ALOT of shows. Wonderland was cancelled after one episdoe on abc in 2000, and i can see why. I told my brother to watch it and he summed it up with the same one word i had myself: 'intense.' I can see why it was cancelled, especially on abc-- it is intense, realistic, beyond very knowledgable about metnal illness, people with it, and people who work with the people who struggle with it. If you check it out, i would be shocked if you didn't have anything good to say about it. I'm so happy peter berg resurrected the show on a directv only deal, as he did with his other fantastic show, friday night lights. Berg picks some material to work with and stays so true to it. Infact, if berg had a superhero show, he would blow all our minds--gaurunteed.

  • March 5, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    I'll keep an eye out for it but all good foreign

    by FamousEccles

    shows here in Ireland get 2am slots and no advertising - is that Berg of Hancock - he would wipe out 2/3rds of mankind from the awesomeness of a superhero show

  • March 5, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    wonderland--wow

    by wixmmm

    famouseccles--as a matter of fact, you're right, berg did do hancock... i had no idea he did... all i knew was that friday night lights and wonderland are two of the top shows of recent memory (people don't give friday night lights the praise it deserves... you wouldn't think it'd be as good as it is.)

  • March 5, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    'keeping and eye out for it'

    by wixmmm

  • March 5, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    'keeping and eye out for it'

    by wixmmm

    all the episodes of wonderland have been aired on directv as of yesterday, so you'll either have to wait for dvd which may never come or you can do some googling and learn the greatness of torrents.

  • March 5, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    CRAP

    by haywood

    Ando and Hiro are the biggest idiots on the planet, they do not learn a thing through the episodes. Actually nobody learns a thing, its almost like they all have bad memories from show, to show. There is no logic, there is no growth. Used to love the show, thought that first season was great, now.. I rather tune into Rack Bauer.

  • March 5, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    wixmmm torrents are evil

    by FamousEccles

  • March 5, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Why?

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    The characters are hollow and vapid.<br> They don't evolve, they change as a logicless plot demands and then reset as the plot demands.<p> Hiro was cute and funny the 1st half of season 1 with his hero's journey nerdgasms, but seeing him throw his hands up in the air and cheer *it is my destiny* just the same, 3 years later is beyond stupid.<p> Krinf is a ballless wonder who is terrified of straying from the formula that got him accolades up until the season one finale

  • March 5, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    hiro

    by wixmmm

    i got so excited in season one where hiro comes back to the future as a bad ass time travellere--that was one of the best moments of season one... but that never happened. hiro got stupider and stupider. He is told that he needs to protect that safe with his life, and what does he do? immediately opens it. Why? because he was BORED AND WANTED TO SAVE THE WORLD AGAIN. Then they turn his mind into a childs, making him dumber than ever, but above all, what always made me cringe is his insistance of calling daphne "nemesis." And they STUCK WITH IT... even after we learn she's not a bad person. This is further proof that kring writes off comic books. does he actually think that is how heroes in comics refer to their enemies??? its like he was trying to do a comic angle, except that angle would get a comic book writer fired.

  • March 5, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    This is a horrible show

    by MattmanReturns

    I just can't watch anymore. It's not going anywhere and the writers can't remember what they wrote from one episode to the next. I'm done.

  • March 5, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    I just talked to Adam Armus

    by FuturePeter

    You know, the one who wrote this week's episode? And he said, quote: "Nothing official yet. But we're all preparing. You need to be friends with Angela Bromstead to get an answer to that one." So no, there is no definite thumbs up despite the linked article and Greg Grunberg's Twitter from earlier today. Also, this weeks numbers were UP, not down. Over 7 million this week, add in DVR views at you get about 10 million. Maybe my calculator's broken but that's more than last week's numbers. I like facts.

  • March 5, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I want Firefly back

    by FamousEccles

  • March 5, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    The writers can only write dumb characters

    by Darth Magic Pants

    It helps to have characters that you can follow and respect but the Heroes writers make it difficult for us viewers as every single character must have an IQ of less than 70. They are constantly making the dumbest decisions! Chief among the mental retards are Claire Bear and Peter (played by Milo Ventymigiligggy, who has perfected the moron look). I agree with some of the other talkbackers, kill most of them off, now! Introduce a main female character that isn't played by a blonde dumpy, whiny, intellectually challenged hobbit. And simplify the plots as everyone is constantly changing sides and powers.I would keep Hiro and Ando as they are the only regulars (with the possible exception of Sylar) that are watchable and generally amusing. They are also dumb but I can excuse them for that as they are entertaining with it. Peter and the rest are just irritating these days.

  • March 5, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch....

    by thecomedian

    You'll all be back soon enough. Same as you all turned on Lost and 24 when they were in a slump and heroes was the shiny new toy. So predictable.

  • March 5, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Yawn

    by quadrupletree

    this show has gotten so formulaic and dry. I'm so beyond caring.

  • March 5, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    maybe the writers don't know they are shit

    by FamousEccles

  • March 5, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Ausiello Extra: Fuller talks up season 4 (brief)

    by Pennsy

    http://tinyurl.com/d3zfvz. <p> Fuller says the final moments of the season 3 finale will set the stage for what's to come in the fall. "Basically, the last act of episode 25, similar to what's been done in the past, opens up a new chapter of Heroes. It sets up arcs for a variety of characters." <p> "That's particularly true in the case of Claire, Fuller says. "We set all the pieces up in terms of Claire's attitude and what her trajectory is going to be in season 4. You will have a very strong idea by the end of this season's final episode where Claire is going and what's going to be happening with the Petrellis."

  • March 5, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Heroes is a Mess

    by GeorgieBoy

    They should have stopped at Season 1.

  • March 5, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    fuller you lying fuck

    by Mr_X

    no one give a fuck about where the series is going because it's obvious you don't. what you're gonna reboot it again? fuck off. you're cast are looking at their scripts every week thinking none of this makes sense. No one has faith in the show. you lost all your goodwill a couple of seasons ago.

  • March 5, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    NBC your viewship is leaving in droves

    by Mr_X

    In the current economic crisis with advertising down.. one of these networks is going to be in difficulty especially if no one watches their shows.

  • March 5, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    I just puked in my mouth a little when I saw this...

    by WillardGreensThunderballs

    ...it didn't help that I saw a bit of Jimmy Fallon bombing again either...even The Roots can't save him.

  • March 5, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    I'll watch the Season 4 Season premiere.

    by CatVutt

    On the off chance that Fuller has something in mind to make this work. But I haven't watched for weeks, and I'm not jumping back now just to watch him try to clean up the mess. It all starts with the writing, obviously, but even the direction and staging looked horribly amateurish during the first part of this season. No focus whatsoever. A complete and total mess.

  • March 5, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Did everyone flock to 24?

    by Captain Hollywood

    For those who are not watching Heroes (anymore), are you guys back to watching 24? While I had my doubts 24 could redeem itself so far it's been half a season with few missteps. The problem with Heroes mainly lies with it's creator and his lack of focus. When I read back in Season 1 that, "I don't know where I plan to take the series" I knew I had a right to be worried. The characters have barely grown. And yes, having Hiro still wanting to save the world- is tired and played out.

  • March 5, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    why bother with another season !!

    by stringerbell

    wat a shit show,its only a show for ppl not smart enough to follow lost

  • March 5, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Of course they renewed it. It's shit and shit = NBC

    by Big Dumb Ape

    The acting has gotten worse, it's still devoid of any good effects work (which you'd want for a superhero show) and the actual storylines are usually blatant rip-offs of existing comics or they are hampered by the worst continuity going, where they think a stupid dangling plot thread makes for a good mystery to make you come back again. I tried to give HEROES another chance with Season Three and it's STILL utter crap.<p>On the other hand, it makes sense that NBC would renew this thing. They have a shit line-up delivering even shittier ratings, so the fact that HEROES is at least drawing SOME viewers for them ensured its renewal so they could point to at least SOMETHING that was coming back. Seriously, how much more embarrassing can it become for NBC to admit "Yep, we have NO shows that anyone wants to watch anymore!"

  • March 5, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    you know what could replace heroes?

    by FuryofthefilmFan

    just re-air Married With Children. It'll get the views.

  • March 5, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    To everyone saying

    by TedKordLives

    "It's insulting to the core fanbase.", you know what? You're right. I just realized that. I tune in every week to get slapped in the face by idiots. And yet I have to hope the characters will grow brains and maybe learn from the past. This season is an improvement in that the good-bad lines are clearly drawn and I don't forsee anyone crossing (or re-crossing) them. There is a tangible, credible threat to our heroes and they are formulating strategies (however inane) to deal with it. Yes, stupidity is rampant, but I choose to believe that these people simply are idiots blessed with extraordinary powers. Much like the last eight years in Washington DC.

  • March 5, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    So what would be a pile of shit

    by jackofhearts29

    on any other network is actually the BEST NBC has to offer... that's so FAIL that it really requires a respectful silence

  • March 5, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    NBC has extra money

    by Captain Hollywood

    The reason NBC has money to spend is thanks to the Jay Leno hour. It's a shame they're wasting it on this show.

  • March 5, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    NBC should buy up all the good canceled shows

    by jbs0209

    If NBC's rating are so F'ing low that Heroes is a winner, they should just go out there and buy up the best of the other networks canceled shows.<p>

  • March 5, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Why 24 is good -

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The main hero is well written. The plot is not that hard to follow, and has loads of action. The villain's are usually cool. And there's underdogs to root for.

  • March 5, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    watching milo vermachalee

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    drag his lip up and down while playing the most stupid character ever created is painfull<p> but his real stupid power is luv<br> the magic negro said so<p> Don't give fuck about his severed nerv, or how fucking brave he is to perform in spite of it<br> the actor sucks<br> every second of every line he drools out I keep expecting him to spit some chaw into a cup<p> And this 30 something charmer started boinking his trollish costar when she was 17 (maybe 16)<p> Yeah, really don't want to see these folks on my tv anymore

  • March 5, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    24 bauer and heroes

    by wixmmm

    new season of twenty four blows away last season for one very simple movie: jack bauer is kicking ass again. last season bauer was practically a minor character and so much time was devoted to a group of politicians in a basement that were all uninteresting and stupid. The did a 180 this season: bauer kicking ass again is the #1 reason. But also, the female president is a strong character who adds a dimension to the role of the president without falling into many of the easy pitfalls the decision to have a female president could have had. Bauer keeps proving he knows how to deal with evil, but no one around him does. the girl fbi agent is interesting to watch as she is starting to realize there is no black and white when it comes to terrorism. Chloe is such a great character and has grown on me with each season--he's quick witted and smarter than everyone in the fbi and knows she's damn good at what she does. Bill in his all black getup running operations and doing it better than the fbi with only three people working for him has turned him into a badass character that he wasn't before. almeida has a dark edge and we are wondering just how far he went in the things he says he has been involved in the past few years. 24 can bounce back like it has because of how the show works--new story with a complete arc every year that doesn't need to end its seasons on a cliffhanger to keep people coming back and new people cand always jump in. plus it gets a four hour kickstart and a two hour game changing midseason episode... heroes won't bounce back like 24 has because heroes needs a large, continuing storyline that keeps the audience wanting more... but it has proven it is completely incapable of doing that... it will never have the reboot potential that twenty four has every year. Bauer is a better superhero than anyone on heroes could ever be...by a mile (seriously)

  • March 5, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    How many more episodes until Fuller is involved?

    by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl

    I would love for this show to be interesting and good again and Fuller has the talent to fix it but wow, is it going to be an uphill battle. <p> But I think I could get behind a full season of Fuller-backed episodes.

  • March 5, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    It'll be interesting to see

    by veritasses

    what Fuller does next season. I won't expect miracles with anything that's already tainted by Kring. But if he's given the opportunity to be in control and start fresh (ie complete reboot with new stories, new characters, new "Universe", new creative staff etc), odds are good that we'll be in for a treat. It won't be easy though....

  • March 6, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Heroes is such crap now.

    by AnnoyYou

    Everyone at NBC is delusional.

  • March 6, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    I can't stand Claire or her jackass father!

    by Fletcher_Hanks

    I would love to see her shoot him in the eye and then become horribly damaged in a fire (right down to the bone) and then regenerate as a completely different actress. Her dad can stay dead...he's written to be such a dick.

  • March 6, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    It's so fashionable to hate Heroes

    by OfficerJunior

    Heroes TB's are so band wagon. While it's a far from perfect show, it's not total shit. It's escapist fantasy. I laugh when the uber geeks think they are being clever about pointing out the unrealistic behavior of PEOPLE WITH SUPERPOWERS. Christ on a pogo stick, man. Lighten up. It's a silly show designed for 14 year olds and x men fans. It's never gonna be a kirosawa mini series. Ease up, haters.

  • March 6, 2009, 4:38 a.m. CST

    What more can you say?

    by The McPoyle Clan

    24's revival doesn't benefit Heroes. Even if Fuller manages to pull it off, the audience's trust is a hard thing to regain.

  • March 6, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    No, it's just fashionable to hate a lackluster show

    by turketron

    It's not a hate bandwagon. We all see the holes in Heroes and its premise gave it the potential to be a great show, but the writers for it are terrible at the moment and make idiotic decisions regarding the plot, dialogue, and character behavior.

  • March 6, 2009, 7:58 a.m. CST

    99 ways to die

    by redfist

    and +2 ways to suck.

  • March 6, 2009, 8:27 a.m. CST

    So many better shows cancelled

    by Mooly

    And yet Heroes has been bleding ratins since season 2 and still gets a 4th season? You got to love TV politics. Some shows get ZERO opportunity and are yanked the second they drop even a bit in ratings. Other shows are given chance after chance after chance and no matter how many viewers tune out, they keep coming back? Who cares if ratings are still "good", the show has plummeted. And clearly that means budget cutbacks which means an even less interesting S4 with even less actual display of super powers or super battles. Fuck TV execs.

  • March 6, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Heroes has become as unwatchable as Knight-Rider.

    by Leafar the Lost

    I tried watching it the other night, and I couldn't sit through 5 minutes. Its over for me. I don't give a fuck what happens on Heroes anymore. Day One sounds like a Jericho ripoff, and I see an early demise for it.

  • March 6, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    SPIN OFF THE BEST CHARACTERS

    by Mullah Omar

    And abandon everyone else. I cannot recall a show that so desperately needed a cast culling.

  • March 6, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    SPIN OFF THE BEST CHARACTERS

    by Mullah Omar

    And abandon everyone else. I cannot recall a show that so desperately needed a cast culling.

  • March 6, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    OKAY, JUST DO TWO SPINOFFS

    by Mullah Omar

    Damn internet problems...

  • March 6, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    NBC needs new management

    by chetedawg

    30 Rock= Near Canceled Scrubs= Shipped off to ABC to die a slow death Chuck= hasnt been renewed yet Heroes= LONGTERM GOALS; RENEWED. if they cancel Chuck I'm done

  • March 6, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    IT'S A TRAP!

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Do you guys really think they'll bring the series to a conclusion? They will keep stringing this out, like they did with ER. NBC is renewing this show out of spite, and not out of any true demand by viewers for it. I'm through with this show; life is short and better spent on more worthwhile leisure time activities than this show, which continually assaults the intellect and one's patience.

  • March 6, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    When Smallville has been better in it's EIGHTH season...

    by ALANMOORES_SQUIDBLOOD

    Than Heroes has been in it's third, that says it all. I still watch, but this season has been all over the place. The whole fugitive arc has been horrid. My main issue has been with The Senator Nathan. Either make him an unsympathetic prick, or kill him. The whole rounding up the Heroes was his idea, yet he still shows concern for Claire and Peter. No, you can't play it both ways. This show is like someone on life support who's braindead. But no one has the good sense to pull the plug.

  • March 6, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Haters

    by Bramton1

    I realize that the show had a pretty bad streak. I don't get the hate for the Season 1 finale; I think people were just upset that they didn't get the big Sylar-Peter battle they were expecting.<p>Pretty funny how someone complained about how stupid is was that one of the two time travelers didn't just go back and kill the bad guys. Hiro is powerless and Peter's powers changed at the end of Volume 3.<p>It's not high drama, but I've been entertained this volume. Regardless, I know I'm not gonna change anyone's minds.

  • March 6, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    ultimate reset

    by Mr_X

    the rot started with the final epsiode of season 1. go back to it. time travel. and this time don't prevent the nuclear bomb. get rid of some of your characters, concentrate on the few you do need.

  • March 6, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Nice save, Mullah.....

    by Pennsy

    :)

  • March 6, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    rebel

    by Mr_X

    it's that the best code name mr muggles can chose?

  • March 6, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    I'm just glad that...

    by Almega

    ...24 is back on and running at the same time as Heroes so that I don't feel like I've wasted my time. 24 is actually pretty damn good this season, and if I just have to see what Heroes is doing, I'll stream it.

  • March 7, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    rebel

    by jay2517

    how stupid is is this new "character". they send text mess. directly to Clair's freaking phone and im on the the governments main computer system at Building 26. gee i hope they dont try to track me......

  • March 7, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    i studder when i'm mad lol

    by jay2517

  • March 7, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST

    "Rebel" is probably Micah...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Remember that he's good at interacting with computers and networks. And the actor who plays him is slated to return for an appearance by the end of this season.

  • March 7, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    rebel is wireless chick

    by funnyhat

    in the web comics, she 'dies' while inside a mainframe as its fried by Elle. But her 'signal/soul' still is out there, in satellites and in the web. ex soldier chick who can control information and technology is rebel, bet on it.

  • March 8, 2009, 12:29 a.m. CST

    doubt it's the wireless chick

    by jay2517

    because that would take foresight. something the writers do not have. sounds pretty cool though.

  • March 8, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    cant be micah either

    by jay2517

    that wouldnt make any sense either. the son of nikki, who has a exact look a like clone, that just so happens to know nathan AND be incarcerated. yaknow heaven forbid the put 2 and 2 together.....

  • March 8, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........

    by Evangelion217

    That's the feeling that I get from "Heroes" now. :(

  • March 8, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Zack Snyder did more in the first two hours of "Watchmen."

    by Evangelion217

    Then what the creators of "Heroes" have done in three seasons. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • March 8, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Erm .. Where is Copycat?

    by wowsah156

    What was the point in introducing a character and then put them in severe danger at the end of a season , and then just ignore the characters fate for a full season? Copycat had a lot of potential.

  • March 9, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Heroes...

    by oh_riginal

    "Heroes was a great show... but that was another life." DUN, DUUUUN!

  • March 9, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Heroes IS better!

    by squarebird

    This season .. the characters are getting smart again and the focus is only on a few characters per episode. Last Monday was the first episode I was on the edge of the couch at every commercial break since Season 1. They've pulled back on the over-exposure to Hiro and Ando - and actually, the only suggestion I would make at this point is that they stop fearing the loss of the comic relief and go ahead and allow Hiro to progress into who he should be. Actually, I was hoping in Season Two that his long stint as a real warrior in the past would make him into that - it should have.

  • March 9, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST

    bird

    by jay2517

    just quit watching. im serious its not good. that would, actually require FORETHOUGHT, by the writers. if u actually think about it, by the HEROES universe standards, it makes no sense! all this stuff, happened in the previous 2 and half seasons, and NOBODY thought any different?? everybody fighting at kirby plaza ( oh yea NOBODY was there like law enforcement or the government ) and JUST now since nathan "outed" the people with powers the government wants to control them. this series started out so good-- now its crap-- for example-- im peter i can do ANYTHING!! what do i do??-- i moop around and wonder why i cant change things??? C'mon! treat ur viewers with respect. if i guy can do ANYTHING dont write him as a dumbass! we as viewers deserve better dammit