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PUBLIC ENEMIES Trailer Goes On A Dapper Depp Rampage!
Beaks here...
Michael Mann has a thing for experts. Starting with THIEF, he's made a career out of studying people who are stone-cold badasses when it comes to doing their job. Cops, robbers, feds, boxers, runners, trappers, professional killers, TV news producers, Nazis... his protagonists are untouchable so long as they hew to their professional ethics. It's only when they knowingly give in to a weakness (usually a woman) that their perfectly maintained world comes crashing down.
So if this just-released trailer (in Glorious Quicktime™!) for PUBLIC ENEMIES looks familiar, know that it's just a master filmmaker working another variation on a theme with which he's been obsessed for over thirty years. There are new flourishes, though: Depp's John Dillinger doesn't really qualify as a loner, he's reckless, and he doesn't live by an ocean. But the cop/criminal duality that Mann perfected with HEAT is in evidence here, with Christian Bale doing his stolid thang as G-Man Melvin Purvis. And the action looks, as always, first rate (nice to see that they're holding back on what should be the highlight of the film: the shootout at the Little Bohemia Lodge).
PUBLIC ENEMIES is due out July 1st. While you're waiting, you really should give the great MIAMI VICE another shot (stick with the theatrical cut).
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Mann, Depp, Bale!
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looks good, too clean maybe?
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Mann is God
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i bow to you, boy! am i a loser...
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But still could be pretty good.
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Forget Bayformers 2, GI Joe, or Terminator:Masturbation. I am waiting for this film.
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My only question is why Is johnny Depp CGI when he is jumping over the Counter? If you watch it in HD it is clearly A fake face.
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Looks like a very professional job.......oh boy I kill me.
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I think the music they are using with the Trailer is fucking with the look. Once they get the score in there. I think it will look and feel fine.
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I like both the directors cut and theatrical. Kief Ledger says it doesn't matter!!!!
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The theatrical is the only way to go though.
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That Depp wont be the riddler because it´s too obvious, fuck that! he should do it, this movie should be a test on the chemistry between him and Bale
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I'm up for it...
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I liked the homo erotic 80's version better........discus
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God that film rules!
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but the visuals and acting look really promising.
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from all the ass he's kicked over the years.
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Otherwise, it seems like a good movie.
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A 1930s-style gangster movie directed by Michael Mann, starring Johnny Depp, Christian Bale, and scored by Eliot Goldenthal? My butt will be in that theater seat opening night.
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Fucking digital nonsense.
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I am not joking look johnny Depp is CGI when he is jumping over the Counter? If you watch it in HD it is clearly A fake face.
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I don't even have to see the goddamn trailer, Mann, Depp, Bale = I'll be there opening night.
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No Beaks, I think I'll pass on the limp misfire that is MIAMI VICE. However, I'm looking forward to checking out some Mann-Depp-Bale goodness.
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Bale is quickly becoming a huge star.I liked him better as an actor in little independent films like Equilibrium and American Psycho.We're done professionally!Nah, actually I'm a big fan. He's good in 3:10 to Yuma also.
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I think its one of the great cult films out there. You can let your imagination ride with this flick and just wonder how deep the conflict in its premise goes. And The Keep still isnt out on dvd... cmon Paramount. Sometime before I die already.
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there is no way he could fire a Thompson gun single-handed. He'd be shooting at the sky after the first round.
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The 1973 Dillinger looks way better than this! I think Depp was a miscast
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yet this film is likely to have cost lots, and is set in the past. Not sure that inherent contradiction will work in its favour. Trailer leaves me cold.
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That looks fuckin' awesome, does someone with which camera he shot this one BTW?
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Johnny Depp's greatness is that he can totally disappear into a role to the point that you forget that you're watching Johnny Depp. But in that trailer, his "Johnny Deppness" is in-your-face with every shot. It might as well have the 21 Jump Street theme for background music. This would have been a good breakout role for an obscure character actor or a young up-and-comer.
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Man, the directors cut is where it's at.
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My choice for The Ridder remains Michael Emerson.
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Is a disappointing film because we don't know the characters, and do we care? I didn't care what happened. Stick to the TV show, much better.
As for Thief, never liked it because there's no tangible drama or conflict. When Caan is drilling the safe, where's the tension?
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Trite. Been there, done that. Depp seems like a stereotype. And there's nothing of Bale in the trailer. I guess they were trashing his scene.
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I loved Miami Vice was on the edge of my seat with that one. But i can see your point. Just curious what did you think of Collateral?
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the fact that they keep calling him johnny is what stops us from forgetting he is Johnny Depp
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Liked Mann did in Collateral and does here!
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Had the same feeling with Benjamin Button in the beginning. It should have been shot on film. I'd probably shoot on film if I were a filmmaker. Digital just doesn't quite have that filmic look that film has.
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That nightclub scene at the start. Money. Shootout at the end. Money.
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Just Michael Mann giving himself a cinematic handjob.
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And this trailer of "Public Enemies" proves that the great days of Michael Mann are offically behind us. :(
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And this movie will rock all of your cocks, simultaneously.
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Unless they go back to using technicolor too, who needs it.
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I swear I'm not gay, but there's enough Tommygun in this movie to give me an erection the size of Mt. Crumpet and push the poor fool seated in front of me in the theater right into his popcorn. Whoooooo whoooo! Calling all cars, arrest Johnny "Dillinger of Love" Depp and Christian "Slap-Happy" Bale for breaking into my chest-vault and stealing my heart. And arrest my bitch wife (who keeps on coming into the room while I'm trying to type this) for aggravated menstruating. Public Enemies for LIFE!!!
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MIAMI VICE was crap, but MANN IS BACK!!!!
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This will rule. Hopefully. Mann is always engadging. Can't wait when people say it sorta feels Dark Knightish... no shit.
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You pricks slating him should stick to your Michael Bay and Rob Cohen DVD collections.
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MANN, BALE, DEPP, if you are not sure after that....well get fucked.
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Oh come ON AICN! HARRY!! YOU GUYS!
A *DIANETICS* add????
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I don't think this movie is going to be "as good" as his good movies, I think it's going to be his BEST MOVIE, full stop. Why? Because Dillinger is probably the greatest story in American crime (including a wild escape from prison as they show in the trailer), Johnny Depp is at that perfect age and gravitas for the role, the period detail looks spot-on, there's a sense of playful wit to it, it's a fascinating time in US history (which actually equates to today's recession/depression), and finally, it has a slam-bang and "tragic" ending. This is my #1 film of the year, the one I'm looking forward to the most. I just have a feeling all the pistons are firing - it looks fantastic.
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Where's the range Batman? Don't sully my Mann movie with that shit.
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I dont think he's CG i think its just the tricks the digital camera is playing.
btw, shooting a digital film is the ultimate oxymoron and it when it becomes ironic (benjamin button, public enemies) is when it should stop -
than the theatrical cut. It flows better this way.
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Straight out of Heat. Love it.
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I really like the line - "So this is the man who killed Pretty Boy Floyd", because, if you don't know, a wounded Floyd was chased out into a field and basically executed by Purvis. So that's Dillinger throwing a moral judgment right back at Purvis. Cannot wait.
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It's different than the normal rout to a "period" style film. Also Mann want to put you in a time machine and drop you in the middle of the hail of fire between Dillinger and Purvis.
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It's probably the wrong medium to use for judgement, but when I watch the trailer for this flick using the 1080p quicktime file I really can't see anything that makes me think, "oh, it's so obviously digital". When the lighting is done properly and they're using the best cameras available I really can't see the difference. Now, I totally prefer 16mm for low-budget indie productions, since it forces the director to think a little before saying "action!", and cheap video looks like crapola. But for the big boys I really don't see the difference.
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It blows me away that people even remember that steaming pile of shit. I know this is a Mann film, but that's like bringing up Stealth in every Foxx talkback. Hey, let's talk about Bicentenial Man! Or Blues Brothers 2000! Or Celtic Pride! Or Jack Frost! Each of those movies is as well made (if not better) than Miami Vice.
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ITS FUCKING PROFESSIONAL
this trailer kinda gives away too much, I never would have known he was captured, went to jail, and escaped. Isn't that gonna be the firt 2/3 of the film? -
Beaks' brand new best friend is collider.com. Almost every single one of his articles has a link to them anymore. Anybody else ever notice that?
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Things look different, more real, or aptly surreal, as mentioned above. It's as if you're closer to the action on screen, at least in my opinion you feel that way.
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I'm seeing this opening night, but I don't like the digital for a period and I hated that trailer music. But, the music won't be in the movie... right? Also, I'm not so sure that's a CGI face replacement on the desk jumping shot. It could just be digital "drag". You know, frame "mooshing".
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aperture and the directness video feel. Digital definitely looks and feels the same way film does with a proper cinematographer but I don't think that's what he wants. He shoots film when he wants the film look. He also likes long takes and pushing digital beyond it's parameters.
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in digital.
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TDK was like Heat...heat was directed by Mann..this film is directed by Mann and stars Bale and Depp (who was rumoured for The Joker)..what do i win
oh and as for MV? Mann shouldve just done a sequel film with Johnson as a 50 something Sonny...
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Oh yes.
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Needs work. And yes the video quality to it doesn't help. Oh, and Miami Vice blew donkey balls. You fucks are idiots.
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Look at the POV shot of the crowds through the car window right after the words BASED ON A TRUE STORY. Then tell us it doesn't look digital. Film does NOT look like that. I'm not saying that a bad thing, but I'm saying it doesn't look like film. Now, the movie ZODIAC was shot digitally and looks fantastic. Mann likes his movies to have that digital look. It's on purpose, but it still doesn't look 100% like film. Many of the shots do look like film, but many, also, do not.
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That's clearly a CGI face. The stuntman is jumping pretty close to the camera and they probably didn't want JD to take the risk. Very obvious.
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Check the byline on that review.
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I've just noticed that Stephen Graham - Combo from "This Is England" - is playing "Baby Face" Nelson in this! Most good.
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Like I said when he wants the "film" look he usually just shoots on film. He always shoots mixed stock.
I'm always amazed that he's able to chances like this and that he has a cinematographer not afraid of stepping outside the box. Like the final shoot out of Miami Vice or the scene in Collateral where Jaime Fox is on the car garage. He uses long depth of focus on that sucker and it gives you sense of uneasiness.
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Works fine for modern LA or Miami but does not look good in the 30s. How I would love to see this film with the look of La Confidential.
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There is indeed a fair bit of colour noise in the shot near the end with the car flipping over, like they didn't use enough lights and resorted to turning the gain up on the camera to deal with the low light. I also saw some noise in some of the other low-light shots.
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that trailer did nothing for me. And after the horrifically bad "Miami Vice" I'm starting to worry that he may have lost it.Having said that, it's just a trailer, I really hope the film is great.
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I saw it, and it was just another Bad Boys.
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Michael Fucking Mann. Gonna be great.
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I couldn't agree with you more, but I love Micheal Mann, so...
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His face does look odd when he jumps over the desk, but it could simply be too much makeup. (Oh, and upon yet another viewing, the noise in the low-light shots really jumps out at me now. Is that what you're referring to in the POV shot out the car window?)
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Yeah... I love Michael Mann's work... LOVE IT. But, I find his use of digital cinematography distracting at times... as you said, lots of "noise" from a high gain setting in low light conditions.
I'm not sure this "digital look" works for a period film - I thought it was OK in Miami Vice because that film adopted a sort of ultra modern look, Public Enemies, I'm not convinced. -
When the guys in the car get lit the fuck up by the .50 cal sniper rifles. That shot alone made the movie worth watching, I replayed the hell out of that thing. Everything else in the movie failed to connect with me.
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...that is the weakness in mann's films...a lame love interest who adds very little and has too much screen time. when the balance is right, the movie is great (Thief)...when its off, it drags (Miami Vice)...
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This looks awesome. Is it me or did Depp out act Bale, even in those little scenes. Me excited.
However, I am a little concerned with the digital stuff. I agree, that the 'digital feel' takes something from the period piece. I think it will work out. -
I like this time period more and this one, without a doubt, is going to have more action, and Depp and Bale are two of the best actors working today...but I don't know if you can ever beat DeNiro and Pacino...
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I like this time period more and this one, without a doubt, is going to have more action, and Depp and Bale are two of the best actors working today...but I don't know if you can ever beat DeNiro and Pacino...
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I have no idea.
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Not like I'm complaining!
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Warren Oates, Harry Dean Stanton, Ben Johnson, a young Richard Dreyfuss as Baby Face Nelson: The first three were average-to-kinda-fugly hicks, which is what Dillinger's gang was. Plus, a great profane screenplay by John Milius.
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Classic.
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Even though it's 1080p it's fairly down rezzed to what we'll actually see.
I really dig the digital feel. It's not all glossy. I want to see blood spurt and mangled metal. I mean these were times when automatics raged the town. Pretty friggen crazy. -
But then thanks to Beaks I just knew that it was just a master filmmaker working another variation on a theme with which he's been obsessed for over thirty years. Thanks Beaks you in depth analysis of this trailer really kept me from looking the fool.
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The "quality" of that video looks as appealing as a maggot covered pussy! For fuck sakes is Mann shooting this on eqipment from the fucking 90's? We've had how many movies shot on HD, and many of them have looked spectacular, but he who royaly FUCKED The Red Dragon just has to use video that has that annoying, hyper-realistic, blurry motion shit that makes it look like fucking Redneck Zombies, not a multimillion dollar movie with such a high profile cast. Jesus cunting christ of fuck, Steven Soderbergh shot Che with the RedOne and that looked INCREDIBLE. Public Enemies looks like shit on toast!!!
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Yep. You got it.
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You take the risk of becoming the laughing stock of the entire internet like Mori did. It's just so funny to me that you are constantly sneaking links to your buddies over at other movie websites right under Harry's nose. If we did it, it would be a bannable offense, but you pull it off nicely.
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Now that would be interesting especially if anyone takes that film as fact.
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I hate Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx but love the atmosphere, the cinematography and the Gong Li.
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Between the cheesy music and some of the witty repartee, this felt like another in the endless line of Danny Ocean movies.
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It sounds like a Frank Stallone track that'd play at the end of a Karate Kid movie.
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http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1227/cgdepp.png
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Hopefully it will rock. And Miami Vice was an enjoyable film with a couple of miscast characters.
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1978CreepyThinMan. There are uses for a digital HD camera. A documentary. A movie like "Cloverfiled" where it's supposed to look and feel like this. A fake news report inside a movie or "archival footage". I could accept "Miami Vice" and "Collateral" being shot that way, but "Public Enemies?" I really don't know...
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5 miles from where they filmed this in Indiana, and it was funny(arousing) to see a bunch of 16 year old girls dressed up like(hot) sluts, just to get the attention of Johnny Depp. Oh man, it was a fucking circus!!! Of course, I was there to see them film, not look at (hot) circus sluts.
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The digital look was jarring at first but I watched it again and I think it works. It's good to see some worthwhile movies are coming.
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Mar 04, 2009 6:49:52 PM CST
The digital doesn't work at all...Depp looks ridiculous...Looks
by fassbinder79
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he went digital he's lost it.
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...Dr. Manhattan sending Batman to catch Jack Sparrow?
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...is what I've been wanting to see for a while now.
I was scared that this was "just" gonna be Heat in the 1930s, but then I saw the trailer and thought "fuck, it's HEAT IN THE NINETEEN-FUCKING-THIRTIES!" -
It might be, but I've seen RED shot stuff that looked much more "filmic" that that. What a lot of people don't realize is that more films are shot HD now that they don't even advertise, for example: Knowing (Alex Proyaz), Crossing the Line (Peter Jackson), Angels & Demons (Ron Howard), Jumper (Doug Liman), Che, My Bloody Valentine 3D. Now I know RED isn't exactly the same as HD (it's higher bandwidth), but the gap between digital and film is narrowing. This looks far more video than any footage I've seen from the films I've listed.
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http: //www.laserpacific.com /index.php/proj- gallery /features-projects/ 64
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Honestly digital looks better than film. Face it it does. I mean if you want something to look like the 1930's why shoot in grainy washed out film, when you can shoot in digital and have it look like real fucking life! God people love to complain.
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...all look they way they do intentionally. That's Michael Mann's style, not his incompetence with the cameras. Go watch Insider and Ali again. Mann was going for "the digital look" even when he was working with film.
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I mean right now I couldn't give a rat's ass if it's good or not, just based on the look of it, I'm already in love with it. That's actually my problem with Miami Vice (the movie). Too much grainy crap and ugliness, especially since the series was one of my very favorites (along with "Crime Story". Oh so pretty. I'm very psyched about this movie. :D
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He directed Heat. Did you direct Heat? No. Because Michael Mann did.
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the crappy digital look you guys are? In fact I didn't even realize it was digital. It looks pristine to me.
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terrible idea. i hope someone kills that in any board room where it's brought up. in fact, the idea of 'the riddler' in the dark knight's universe boggles my mind.
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What a shitty looking movie. I was hoping since it was period that Mann wouldn't bring his usual fucking horrible creative instincts to the plate, but nah, who gives a fuck when the film is set, hes going to make it look like bad 80's cop shows no matter what. Mann USED to be an exellent technical craftsman with really, really bad taste and shitty writing abilities, but now with his love of video (which he seems completely unable to use - witness the results other directors are getting) he's just alround crappy. That shit looked embarassing.
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...now there's a movie that did a great job of capturing the look and feel of The Great Depression.
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its STV u POS
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I'm tetering on the look. As a movie it could be amazing.
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cinematography doesn't feel right to me, but maybe I just need to watch at a higher resolution or something.
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Mar 04, 2009 8:14:10 PM CST
BARNEY MILLER THE MOTION PICTURE BY MICHAEL MANN!!!
by 1978creepythinman
Scripted by Shane Black and QT
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To film people, such as myself, Digital generally looks like shit compared to film. A film is supposed to look like...FILM. However in a case like Miami Vice, it was supposed to have the look of COPS. Therefore I accept the digital look. Public Enemies is not supposed to look like COPS, so I'm not really sold on the live morning talk show look of the digital.
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It was shot on the Genesis I believe, which normally does a great job, but this looks awful - distractingly digital.
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The trailer just gets creepier.
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It's not Genesis I. It's Sony F-23.
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and its not color correction, but the frame-rate. reminds me of numerous movies we used to shoot as kids and even today you find all over youtube under short films. This NEEDS to look cinematic. the way things stand, the digital look is distracting enough to make me consider giving this a skip, on big screen at least.
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Mar 04, 2009 9:14:53 PM CST
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by 1978creepythinman
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I hated the love story in Heat and I'm gonna hate the love story in this too.
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First off, the Public Enemies trailer is pretty top-notch. Depp, Bale, and Cotillard are enough for me to get excited on their own, but together and being directed by Mann in a modern take on the classic gangster movie?! Damn, that pumps me full of a whole ton of extra excitement.Secondly, that review of Miami Vice is fucking fantastic, Beaks. I too loved that movie and was also somewhat disappointed by Collateral. That movie wasn't terrible, but I found the need to force Jamie Foxx's character into the hapless hero role really frustrating. I found the movie really crumbled near the end. But Miami Vice was a grimy, gritty look at the dangers of life as an undercover cop as only Mann could provide. I loved the look, I loved the sound, and I cared about the characters. So yes, I definitely agree with you that the movie is worth a second look.But again, that review of yours is amazing. I am an amateur critic (I post on my personal site and don't have a huge readership yet, hence the amateur part) and I love reading smart film criticism by other writers. Your review is inspiring and a great read the whole way through. I am deeply impressed. Keep up the good work!
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Otherwise, this looks decent.
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I remember Mel Gibson in the audio commentary for Apocalypto saying that in low-light the Genesis can capture images in full resolution without noise, something film cannot do. The catch is that you have to open up the iris or something a lot more and this is what causes the blurry "digital" look. Notice its only ever present in low-light situations - outdoor during the day it looks just like film. But because Apocalypto was shot in the jungle almost every scene was low-light so the whole movie looks like a cheap backyard job or a BBC documentary. Its frustrates the hell out of me because other than that its a kick-ass movie. The blurry digital look is amateurish and I can't understand why Mann would put up with it as he does. I can't even watch Miami Vice because it looks so cheap. How much better does The Insider look?! As for the trailer, the film looks fine and I think Depp is as great in these low-key roles as he is as cartoon characters like Jack Sparrow or Sweeney Todd.
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I am up in the air on this one but I do not like the digital look at all. Mann is a great director but Miami Vice was a let down and this one is not really shaping up to be much better. Mann needs to forget the crime genre and try something else. Last of the Mohicans and The Insider were fucking great, not your usual Mann films. He has nothing left to say with the crime genre, time to move on to something new.
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...die AFTER Dillinger escape from the Indiana Jail? I mean, he joined in the Dillinger gang along with Baby Face Nelson after that if I remember right.
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...he is so miscast in this. For me, John Dillinger will always be the immortal Warren Oates.
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Can someone explain that to me? Button is a perfect looking film, but every Mann movie on the Viper looks digitized and choppy.. Camera experts, proceed, thanks.
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Mar 04, 2009 9:38:43 PM CST
Love the documentary feel...
by film_fanatic_in_the_original_black_and_w
This is going to be an awesome flick.
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I can't believe anyone would complain about the look of that movie!?!
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... would Mann have just shot him in the face? Would Depp just kick him in the nuts?
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Also a lot of Fincher recent Digitally shot films are actually CGI backdrops and whatnot. Mann likes to get long as Depp of field where it becomes impossible to light every bit of objects in frame.
I think Mann just likes the pixels dancing across the screen because it makes it feel "now". Sort of like the blown up grainy feel of 16mm. People were accustomed to that look in the past as the "Docu" look, where as people now translate digital as "reality".
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is what I meant. He likes everything in frame in sharp focus from time to time in his recent films.
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I likes me some of that.
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"Mann likes to get long ass Depp of field"
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And this looks like it's packed with them. It's Heat + Bonnie and Clyde + Collateral + The Untouchables. Good god this looks awesome.
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uh, depression era america should not look that good and it would be nice if at least one film would show how hoover used the bank robbers of the era as a cover for the fact that he refused to go after organized crime dillinger and the others stole thousands....the mafia, even at that time, was stealing millions
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Depp playing a cool charismatic character for a change instead of a fucking fruitloop
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Mar 04, 2009 10:31:23 PM CST
Digital video doesn't have to look like digital video.
by kid idioteque
A few others here have made that point. Zodiac looked fucking fantastic, much like film but a tiny bit livelier. This looks so fucking amateurish it's not even funny. It's NOT a good look. Obviously Mann likes it, but he's wrong. Collateral was great, and it worked for that. It was a grimy seedy flick. But not for a movie set in the 30s. And Miami Vice FUCKING BLEW. Terrible, terrible movie. One of the most boring I've ever seen in a theater.
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Otherwise, there's no point.
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Anytime I see someone discharging a Tommy Gun in a movie, its coolness quotient goes up about 40%.
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...because Public Enemies wasn't shot on the Viper. It was shot on the Sony F-23.
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That trailer was badass. Depp vs. Bale = Whoever wins, its badass.
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Is that the look makes you aware that you are looking through a camera. Since it is set in the 1930s our brains know that we would never be looking through a camera like that, hence it takes you out of the film. But that said, anything with tommy guns will get me in a theatre seat."p"
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Can't wait.
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... is either Paper Moon (B&W) or Hal Ashby's Bound for Glory (sepia). I mean, shit was dusty back in the day.
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It looks cheap.
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...looks and sounds like a fucking tool.
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I've watched that trailer now a couple different times on different resolutions and it looks nothing like Collateral or Miami Vice to me. What am I supposed to be looking for? Because if it's supposed to be that thing where the low light makes it all grainy I'm not seeing it. I admit to knowing nothing about cameras, but I thought it looked really great. *shrug*
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Just Thought Id Throw That Out There
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The trailer reminds me of the tone of Dillinger(1973). Depp's grouchy mode similar to Oates. The inevitable comparisons will ensue.
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what the fuck are you talking about? Film has 3 million pixels. Digital doens't have anywhere near that amount.
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Because Fincher is going for a filmic look whilst Mann isn't. Fincher is trying to get the pros and efficiency out of digital but still retaining the look whilst Mann wants that digital look.
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Give me a fuckin break. No normal person would ever say "Keep up the good work!" (complete with an exclamation point!) in an internet talkback. The only people who would EVER do something like that are straight out ass kissers, or people who are trying to disguise themselves and trick others into believing something is cool.
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or perpetuate this silly myth that Dillinger didn't realyl die, and the FBI shot someone else and covered it up to save face. I suspect there will be some ambiguity a la Man in the Moon...
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i cant get it to work...
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Yes it is. http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=jxXH5BnV7Yg without the gap.
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but im just wondering if anyone else has read the sherlock holme s script? Any thoughts/opinions.
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It had everything (except the gator) that I loved from the series and nothing that I didn't. I mean really, what peopled hated about it is beyond me. Great film. Not the greatest Mann's made, but underrated for sure.
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I get that people want a period film to look...dated or aged, but I really thought that the images "popped". 50 years from now, no one is going to care that the digital looks sharper than the actual technology of the day.
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What the fuck?
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Great style. Mann knows video. And why not shoot video in the past? It's not like 35mm like that we used to day was in use in the 30s. Their film was in b/w and full of HUGE grain.
Maimi Vice owns, by the way. Maybe Mann's best. Theatrical cut is better than the 'unrated director's cut'. The alternate cut flows better as a film, but the weird, disconnected feeling of the original version is a big part of what makes it great. And that opening? Wow!
I call it the 'alternate cut' instead of the 'director's cut' because it really isn't a D.C. at all. Mann says as much on the commentary. The theatrical cut is his original cut, while the alternate cut is another cut of the film that I think uses a less experimental narrative and editing structure. -
thanks!
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Heat and the Dark knight are my two favs of all time.. I have high hoped for this move!
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hopes I mean..
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This is a glorified summer blockbuster version of the John Dillinger story. Complete with a modern sounding soundtrack. It's exaggerated BS! That being said, count me in! This looks like a fun ride!
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mann is amazing, absolutely one of the best working directors today. And miami vice is very underrated. I hated it when i first saw it (just super disapointed) but the more you watch it, the more it sinks in what mann was doing, realistically filming an undercover drug bust. And just many little things begin to reveal themselves....
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filmed "buddy cop" movie ever made
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Doesn't Michael Mann realize that none of his movies ( can't call them films anymore) that he shoots on digital looks nowhere near as good as the films he made 15+ years ago when he was using stock? Especially a period piece like Public Enemy. I'm sorry , but I'm not into movies that look like they were edited in photoshop. Digital is only good for new cast and porno movies.
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This looks like Heat level of awesomeness
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...Mann was trying his damndest to not make Bad Boys 3. A noble cause, but in doing so he killed the relationship between Sonny and Tubbs and also fucked up his usual trend of having a duality between two men of differing viewpoints. Sonny and Ricardo talk to each other what, three fucking times in the whole movie?
I like Vice '06 but I think it's Mann's weakest (haven't seen the Keep or LA Takedown, though) There are some awesome Mann touches (Sonny staring longingly at the sea for a brief moment, the boat ride to Cuba) but there's a lot of lameness as well, "let's take to the limit one more time" is probably the most cringe inducing line said in a movie that year.
That would have been awesome if Mann had set out to make two MV movies. As it is now, MV is pretty much a longform Sonny episode with Tubbs doing an extended cameo. He should make a sequel with the roles reversed. -
...had a bit of a falling out over Miami Vice.
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dont bother with the keep its not aged well, besides it was heavily tampered with by the studio and apparantly cut to shit. I saw it about 2 years ago for the first time, did nt like it. And yeah you have a really good point about the lack of a relationship between sonny and tubbs and its really just sonny's movie. But I still love how "real world" it is for its genre
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I like Collateral because it had two interesting characters to get me inside that world. That's the real L.A. :) But the biggest problem with that film is the numerous rewrites, which none got the story right. The ending is letdown because it's not *big enough* it's a shootout with no emotional core, and there should have been something bigger than Cruise the assassin, something more at stake than a bunch of people getting killed who ***we don't know***. Lots of style but not enough substance. I love Mann's work when he gets the balance right between style and substance. Check out the shots in HEAT and you'll see that the shots he chose reflect how the characters are feeling. A master-work, in my opinion.
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just accept the digital look and take your eyeball rapage bitches
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Mar 05, 2009 2:42:55 AM CST
Darth Fart - Dude you can't deny the nightclub scene
by most excellent ninja
wasn't fucking awesome, I can watch movies for solo scenes only and that scene is beyond fucking awesome. It's the tits.
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I think Miami Vice is also a good example of the balance of substance and style in the shot compositions you speak of. Like in Heat, the cinematography seems to reflect the emotions of the characters.
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"There are new flourishes, though: Depp's John Dillinger doesn't really qualify as a loner, he's reckless, and he doesn't live by an ocean."
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Mar 05, 2009 3:23:40 AM CST
anyone here interested in guy ritchie's sherlock holmes?
by southafricanguy
thoughts/opinions?
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looks good
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With all this talk of the digital look, no ones mentioned how beautiful Cotillard looks in this trailer.
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was doing sherlock holmes, how fucking amazing would that be? I just dont trust guy ritchie, ever seen swept away? Geez was that movie painful...
Mann would give it such a grit, the cinematography would be stunning, and it would be smart (as opposed to how dumbed down the script is) -
style attention to historical accuracy applied to 1891 London. I think it would be fascinating to Mann film a period city as iconic as London like he filmed LA in collateral dam.
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wow...i like the HD cinematography,it gives a modern,fresh,audacious visual approach to this retro era!
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Even the most maligned Mann films like THE KEEP,ALI and MIAMI VICE are still more interesting than the average of Hollywood flicks,IMO!
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what do you think about Mann doing something like sherlock holmes?
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he takes fucking chances with big fucking films.
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have a sequel. The end of the film seemed to build up to a closer friendship of the 2 characters. Yes they were close partners and buddies... it actually ended where I'd like to see the next one begin.
These two have a tighter bond after these events hitting so close to home. That ending shot with the music building as Sonny walks to the hospital was a wonderful ending. It was a perfect way to end a buddy flick. No cheese, just straight up a buddy backing up a friend.
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"...like they were edited in photoshop."
Wha... Photoshop?!
What u talkin 'bout Willis? -
Sounds like Chris Cornell.
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Man I love THE UNTOUCHABLES. A beautiful, exciting and gripping film. This PUBLIC ENEMIES trailer has left me rather cold though (although all of Mann's films 'look' cold).
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A period piece can be in digital. It's like people think if they were to travel in time back to the 30s everything would look all sepia tone and grainy or something.
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"Definitely Miami" best episode ever.
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...And it can also look like shit. As evidenced by this trailer.
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First of all the trailer is compressed, yes even the 1080p version. 2nd, Have you watched any film in the last 10 years? Quite a few have been shot digitally and recently a lot of big feature films have used digital cameras for 2nd unit shooting. They obviously blend seamlessly with the 35mm film footage. And quite a few films have been shot completely digital.
It's film/digital what have you's... a movie is a movie. I'm pretty sure they don't intentionally say, "get me a cinematographer that doesn't give a shit".
These people do test shoots and what not. It comes down to what is intended or just the fact they want to experiment to try something completely different. Like the poster above said why does every period piece have to look and feel the same?
Sophia Coppola's film felt fresh because she directed it in a way that didn't feel like the usual period piece. She directed like a current teen film. That was shot on film but felt like no other period piece.
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While it is up to the Director how the film looks. A film is supposed to look like film. That is unless you are going for a COPS look. Vice was going for that, so I accept it. Enemies is not going for a COPS look, so I don't accept it. As most people that don't like the Digital, the look loses me.
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2-time Oscar winner for screenplays (adapting To Kill a Mockingbird and writing Tender Mercies), passed away at 92.
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we have all seen this movie before and nothing about it screams anything different. on top of that, every shot looked BORING. there are no money shots in the trailer, nothing that jumps out at you, its all very paint by the numbers. it also goes over every beat of the film, lettin us know everything that is gonna happen. argh. it will be okay, nothing more nothing less.
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looked that good. I'll give you the car scene but that's it.
Why can't a gangster/period film be shot this way? That's like telling him to only shoot how others have before him. Duck that. But to each their own. It's what makes the world go round. -
Good to know!
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No way, man. That shot of Bale firing his tommy gun right next to the (digital) camera rocked a million faces.
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look in Vice. That's why he stuck with the Digital in that movie. God only knows why he stuck with it for this movie. It's VERY offputting.
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1) I can't believe how many people on here have lost the ability to get excited about ANY movie, and I kinda' feel sorry for them, and 2) I can't believe nobody hears what I hear on the song, it sounds very much like ZZ Top (in voice) or at least one of that trio. I'll put down my money on that one.
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"We are ALL DEAD!"
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not every shot looked like COPS. He's was going for the COPS feel like Friedkin went for the docu ugly NY look of French Connection. But what I'm saying is this film in no way looks like the show COPS. It may give you the sense of and feel of COPS but this film looks wonderfully shot.
Like I said it comes down to preference. You don't like the look but I don't have an answer for that. This is the way he likes to shoot. So I don't know what to say.
Oh and I said earlier that he doesn't shoot to mimic film. He prefers the vividness of Digital cinema. That's pretty much it.
Believe me I love film as much as the next, but I also like when people bend the rules.
I understand that it's not for everyone though. But thems the brakes of different tastes.
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I like Depp, Bale and Michael Mann so I'll definitely be there. I do want to say though that Miami Vice was awful. Of all the stories they could tell about Miami Vice, the one they wrote was the best they could come up with? It wasn't for me and usually I like those types of stories.
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I know it's tough to believe that anyone would have something positive and encouraging to say about someone else on AICN talkback, but apparently, it is possible. I was amazed by Beaks's review and wanted to let him know. I really don't care how lame my exclamation point may be, so who cares in the end. But this is AICN, so of course, any kindness must be used to hid something. So in the spirit of these talkbacks...FUCK OFF. Is that better?
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This looks so '80's I'm gonna break out my Member's Only jacket and listen to some Men at Work.
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Johnny Depp at 40-something is not an established, respected actor, but just a "Young Guns" Emilio-type lightweight playing dress up. What the fuck are you smoking? From the man who named himself Olsen Twins Fan.
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That had the other Johnny Depp... Mr. Richard Grieco my friends.
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Miami Vice will be regarded as a great film in ten years. That's why he set this one in the Depression era, so fools had 90 years to get with the program.
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Fincher is shooting the viper to mimic film in its own way, AND shooting beautiful frames in classic ways. Mann has been way undisciplined and sloppy over the past two films, and this looks like more of that! Throwing the camera around crooked and without thought is not "modern" but just ends up being bad. This looks HORRIBLE.
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If there are two words you could come up with that LEAST described Michael Mann, those would be it. He is only one of a small handful of true American auteurs working today. If you find a cockroach in your popcorn while watching a Michael Mann film, it's there because Michael Mann put it there.
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Ten Million Slaves by Otis Taylor.
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Thanks for settling that.
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Obviously you missed out on COLLATERAL. Yes, he's still distinct, but aesthetically, the last two films he's ALL over the place 35mm, different frame rates, Straight up video. His camera direction used to be much, much better, and that's my opinion, obviously. Ratner intends for his films to be the way they are too. It doesn't mean they're brilliant.
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From my understanding, it's a bitch as an actor to work for Michael Mann as he's demanding to the 10th Power (only James Cameron is worse). I've never heard of an undisiplined and sloppy yet overly demanding person before.
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I'm not talking about HIM. I'm talking about watching his recent filmmaking. Especially COLLATERAL, it FEELS undisciplined and sloppy. It's all over the place and feels very seat of the pants. Maybe that's what he's going for but I'm not into it. I like HEAT and MOHICANS very much, btw.
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it makes all his movies look so cheap... i mean, he has the money he should just shoot on film
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Unfortunately that's what he was going for...I too HATE Collateral, but love everything else he's ever done.
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Depp, I'll watch him all day, but its time to cast other actors in these roles besides Bale.
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since Collateral. Ever since he went digital his films have taken on a different rhythm. So I can see why fans of his have split. I remember when he was shooting Collateral he wanted to kill the Digital camera and laughed at those that said Digital would make things easier. So it's wild to think he seems to prefer this medium for now. Maybe it was the fact he likes taking long takes and that he didn't have to stop rolling to let the actor "warm up"?
I actually like this stage in his career. It's like he got a new angle in story telling. He's like a painter with a new brush and canvas in a different era. But I would be lying if I said it wouldn't bother me if he only shot in Digital from now on. I would love to see another Mohicans style film. -
Mar 05, 2009 3:53:00 PM CST
I was amazed by Beaks's review and wanted to let him know.
by volitalemix
Yeah, sure. You were just SOOOOOOOOO amazed at his review that you had to mention it over and over again. Christ, how stupid do you think people are?
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It needed studio enforced cutting. A lot of that fat needed to be taken away and sidestories of characters we don't give a shit about. All of that family sideshit. Did we really need a scene out of nowhere of a guy trying to get a diner job? well at least he got hilariously iced through his fucking head. If only it focused on the rivalrly between Pacino and DeNiro.
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he's decent. But Leo is far more advanced in his acting stage than Bale is.
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Most of this trailer really screams "digital." Some moments of Benjamin Button did, too. You want to see some great digital cinematography, check out Slumdog. The only parts of that film that looked digital were the Who Wants to be a Millionaire? sequences, and that struck me as appropriate (since the TV show is filmed digitally). Top-notch DP work, there.
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Christian Bland looks forgettable as always. It looks pretty cool. Although I'm not a fan of the way the film looks, digital just doesn't seem right for the film. It looks too...new.
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I still don't understand the proponents of that film. It was so bad. The Colin Farrell/Gong Li romance was also way too long.
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i don't want to sound like Norma Desmond ("When they had FACES!!!") but that digital look is really going to take some getting used to. I don't mind it in a zero budget indie or a modern film shot in a frentic documentary style, but it just doesn't look RIGHT in a big budget Hollywood period piece. I suppose Mann is going for a more "you are there" feeling rather than the look of a more standard historical epic, but it still doesn't seem to be a good fit. It's really distracting.
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Jean Pierre Melville, and it seems he found his Alain Delon... Let's hope we get more of these.. Oh this movie is top 5 must see of the year
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Mar 05, 2009 10:33:15 PM CST
Aren't you guys tired of watching films the same way?
by t 1000 xp professional
Me? I'm waiting for the next big thing. I love film. Love it's dreamlike quality and it's distinct separation from reality, but honestly I want a shock to be sent to my system.I want some filmmakers to force me to see movies in a different way. The way this movie's shot is obviously an oxymoron given the time setting, but just maybe Mann is just trying to destroy our concepts of how period pieces and every other movie should be seen.
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wow, good, man! Thank God I thiought everybody here walked around blind
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I've worked with film. The quality is so luscious you want to eat it. Digital is a microwaved Maccas compared to film as a slow roasting Sunday dinner.
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Can't say it enough. If it looks like video, it looks like crap.
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...is dead.
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The people who keep bringing up that "Miami Vice" shit, are probably the same people who think "G.I Jane" is underrated. lol
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He really is.
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Actually I dug Miami Vice but didn't dig G.I. Jane. Well people who don't like Mann's style just want Nora Ephron pics... hehe. -
I saw this at the first test-screening in Portland. I wrote a VERY negative review and sent it in, but they never put it up. I wonder how many other negative reviews have been ignored.
The film looks like crap. The digital hand-held was a really stupid choice. It's hard to believe the time period when they hired the camera-man from CLOVERFIELD.
Someone from my same test-screening compared the film to THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY. This is nowhere near classic. This is modern drivel, cliched and monotonous.
Don't get your hopes up.
(Find my full review at www.theshipshape.com)
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