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UPDATED Wednesday 7 p.m. PST!! You can pose your question to the “Lost” showrunners here, courtesy the great Kathy Lyford, managing editor of Variety!
ABC says of “Lost” 5.8, titled “LaFleur”:
Sawyer perpetuates a lie with some of the other island survivors in order to protect themselves from mistakes of the past. Guest starring are Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Doug Hutchison as Horace Goodspeed, Reiko Aylesworth as Amy, Christopher Jaymes as doctor, Kevin Rankin as Jerry, Patrick Fischler as Phil, Molly McGivern as Rosie, Carla Buscaglia as Heather and John Skinner as Other #1. "LaFleur" was written by Elizabeth Sarnoff & Kyle Pennington and directed by Mark Goldman.
“You know who did come see me? Jeremy Bentham,” Walt told Hurley in last May’s fourth-season finale.
Now where did Walt get “Jeremy Bentham”? And why didn’t Hurley reply, “Who’s Jeremy Bentham?” And how did Walt know Hurley would know that name? Locke never used the name “Jeremy Bentham” when he spoke to Walt and Hurley. And Walt apparently hadn’t spoken to Hurley since Ben showed Michael how to sail back to civilization back at the end of season two.
New topic. Is Kate carrying Jack’s seed? Is that why Aaron didn’t need to toddle aboard Ajira 316?
Since Jin was wearing Dharma duds two episodes ago and the time-hopping has apparently ceased (at least until Sawyer or somebody can be bothered to give that frozen donkey-wheel another quarter-turn), could everybody be back in the groovy wife-swapping 1970s with Pierre Chang, Gerald and Karen DeGroot and maybe even Alvar Hanso himself?
Was that a timelost Hurley reciting the numbers young Rousseau heard two episodes ago? Will we learn it was a very old Frank Lapidus who was airdropping those Dharma groceries for Desmond in 2004?
No new “Lost” next week. ABC is apparently just repeating tonight’s episode. Which is odd, because next Wednesday is the first Wednesday of sweeps!
9 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.
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Oh. Nevermind.
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5 more hours, east coast feed!
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thanks herc
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Rewatching the episdoe it's pretty clear that we were only shown portions of some of Locke's visits. Not to mention we don't know what interaction the O6 had after he left. I don't think it's too tasking to infer that Walt and Hurley obtained this info at some other point.
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we saw Sawyer get his toes messed up; this could lead to the 4-toed statue.
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What's Hercs deal? He seems kinda nitpicky and crabby.
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7th bitches!
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Sawyers toes? What happened I forgot.
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Lost Losty Lost Lost. That is all.
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Fox has Lie to Me at 8 and Ai at 9. Not sure if that's why they are taking a week break or not, but that's all I could see.
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...is Aaron. Gobbled that fucker down as a proxy.
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While we saw only part of Kate's encounter last week, we saw ALL of Locke's encounters with Walt and Hurley, with no mention of the Bentham alias.
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Need to pack to head down to south beach for the weekend anyway!
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I am stoked! It's Wednesday, time for some lost. I hope the give us a good one to chew on for the break. Nothing to look forward to next week.
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The writers debunked that theory on the audio podcast this week.
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Or he visited them again and gave more details. Although we technically didn't see his entire interaction with Kate. I'm disappointed the show wasn't more careful with this, but I can live with it.
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Four toed statue is the one thing I don't think they ever had any planned answer for. But if you look at it, it's clearly not an injured human foot, it's designed around four toes, not four and a stump. There's no vacant foot-front.
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It told us things we basically could figure out for ourselves. Hope this week is better.
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I'm hoping this week is full of greatness.
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No doubt that Kate's sudden interest in the good doctor's pork sword was to replicate Claire's pregnancy. So who does their child grow up to be in the time wrap? Ben? Locke?
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That's why I said "some" and then mentioned Hurley and Walt could have been visited again by Locke, Ben, or the 06. Whatever though. It could be a plothole but it's certainly nothing to freak over.
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nobody's perfect...I mean we can use the old imagination for continuity, I trust they pay attention to this type of detail, but I mean, these writers have dug a damn fine hole for themselves, anxious to see the resolve!
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Just the ones who disappeared before the plane crash... the rest of the crash and crash survivors are on the small Alcatraz island and in the future/present. We'll probably flash back and forth between them till someone or somethign causes the Incident referenced in the Swan orientation film.
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I'm guessing Kate was visited by Claire and was instructed to 1. get knocked up and 2. hand over Aaron or else Sawyer et all would die...
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"Yo, Mr. Locke showed up here in NYC to say hello. What's goin on?".
"Yeah, Walt...well...he showed up here in LA deader than a doornail...and his name was Jeremy Bentham...so...you tell me." -
Just wait.
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present time.
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If this season keeps on turning it out like it has been I will be a happy camper.
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I'm sure it refers to the first time travelers (obviously from future ) who went on the island.
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I kinda feel like they don't give a fuck anymore and I wouldn't be surprised if we never hear from Walt again. I never did care for how they handled the Michael/Walt storyline after they left the island.One of my few complaints with the show, however. Can't wait for tonight!
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As far as I can tell, they fucked up. The "Bentham" thing was just a crappy device to ensure we didn't know who was in the casket until the finale of S4. Sure, Locke had a nametag saying "My Name is Jeremy Bentham" when he visited Hurley. As if that would be reason enough for him to instantly recognize that name and use it in a *PRIVATE* conversation. Makes no sense. And the Locke/Walt conversation was utterly useless. However, Ben was watching them... so it's certainly possible that Ben went and talked to Walt. But it still doesn't explain the incessant NEED to use the name "Bentham". It's as if speaking Locke's name in the real world would cause the sky to come crumbling down around them. If you knew someone by a certain name for 100+ days, then three years later you read a different name on a nametag, YOU WOULD STILL CALL THAT PERSON BY THE OTHER NAME. I don't care about the "lie". No one in the real world could give two shits about a guy named "John Locke" unless on of the Losties started screaming "OH LOOK EVERYONE, IT'S JOHN LOCKE WHO WAS ALSO ON FLIGHT 815 AND MUST HAVE MIRACULOUSLY SURVIVED JUST AS WE, THE INCREDIBLE OCEANIC SIX, ALSO SURVIVED."
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What? People from the future only have four toes? Interesting evolutionary modification... It seems much more likely that one of the ancient inhabitants - like the Egyptians - built the thing when they built Smokey's temple.
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Do you remember one said in 3rd or 4th season : "he's not even on the list" speaking about jack. And now we know that Ben have already met Jin, sawyer, Juliet and probably Faraday and Miles when he was young (to be confirmed with next episodes). Maybe he thought that if Jack had been here too thing would have occur in a better way. Which means Jack may be, like desmond, special considering laws of time.
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I got how Jack knew Bentham. But why the huge ass coverup? Ben already knew Locke was gonna come back to the mainland. Why not just use Locke's real name? All of Locke's family was dead anyway.
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even if Jack started screaming that in the middle of a crowded LA mall, I doubt anyone would notice. People are blind to anything that's not right in front of them. Yes, Locke would need a new passport, but beyond that... There's absolutely no reason for anyone who knew him as Locke to call him by the name Bentham. Zero. Lamest plot device EVER. I wish they didn't need to rely on shock tactics and cliffhangers to keep the casual viewers interested.
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I heard I can't remember where and when, from a science show, that due to the use of shoes, our tiniest toe is shrinking, and is to disappear in several generations. I admit it's far fetched, but it's not the product of my imagination.
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It was a little contrived. But I wouldn't call it the lamest plot device EVER.
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I bet Widemore set up that grave to convince Locke to go on his mission. Helen is probably on the island or with Widemore.
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I can understand your frustration but is it that much of a stretch that they would use that name to perpetuate the lie? It's fairly obvious now that Ben and widmore having spies EVERYWHERE and were specifically watching the O6. I could see how they might be cautious about throwing his name around.
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when he's such a douche and manipulates everyone?
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As a resident of Washington, DC I can tell you it's not that difficult.
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I just thought there'd be more to the reason weren't calling him "John Locke" last season.
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it's here! yay!
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Just wondering.
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Those EYES!!
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When Locke visits Hurley, his name tag reads: Jeremy Bentham.
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Mar 04, 2009 3:45:47 PM CST
"The "Bentham" thing was just a crappy device to ensure we didn'
by elpaw
"The "Bentham" thing was just a crappy device to ensure we didn't know who was in the casket until the finale of S4"
Yah, except for the fact that the name Bentham wasn't even mentioned until the finale of S4...
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I think it's a "time"-drop, not an air-drop. Yes, by plane, but through time. Dharma is well aware of and acting towards harnessing the time travel potential of the FDW. They could have set up some kind of system where supplies come from off-island through a time window. I mean, there was no plane when it happened that anyone knows of. That and there was a countdown to the supplies showing up.Good catch on Kate being pregnant. My wife called that as soon as the episode ended. She would be the stand-in for Claire, if she were pregnant. Sawyer obviously had Kate covered. Hurley was in for Charlie. Ben covered for Hurley (remember Hurley almost missing Flight 815?). Jack was Jack, being the doctor transporting a dead guy. Sun would be the Sayid, looking for a lost love.I agree about the Walt/Bentham thing. It's either sloppy writing (not bloody fucking likely), or there's more to all of this. Shit, who's to say that Locke doesn't leave the island AGAIN to go back and change something else? That would get a little crazy, but stranger things HAVE happened on this show.Still the best show ever.
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When Walt goes to Hurley, it is clear that he knows that Jack and the others are lying. I'm pretty sure that Walt went to Jack first before he visited Hurley in Santa Rosa, and that's where Jack told him about Bentham and the fact that they WERE lying. Not WHY, but only that they were. Walt, being the smart kid that he is, figured that if anyone would be able to tell him what the hell is going on, it would be Hurley.
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I agree Herc, I feel like a lot of stuff is being a little bit over looked by the writers right now. I read a lot this week about disappointment with that discrepancy, Let's hope that's the worst mess up they have. If they dropped the ball on Smokey or Adam and Eve then I would be pissed.
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How did Jack know that Locke was in hospital? All he would have known is that a patient called Bentham was admitted to hospital. This adds credence to the "the O6 communicated with each other about Locktham" theory.
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time to the beachers.
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Is this the week where there is a shower scene where Kate, Juliet and Sun are all soapy and in an all glass shower - boobs on the glass with soapy water that leads to some innocent groping, fondling and playful kisses??? Lets sure as hell hope so!!!!
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until he saw Locke in the hospital bed there. Jack worked at that hospital so he probably saw Locke being wheeled in.
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Stop being a bitch. thats my job, now get that fucking shit off my floor!
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" John, it’s over! It’s done. We left, and we were never important, so you… you leave me alone. And you leave the rest of them alone."He obviously knew John was seeing the others, so they must have communicated about the Bentham name.
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Continuity error. Nothing more or less in my estimation. I could be wrong.
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Mar 04, 2009 3:59:23 PM CST
John told Jack he saw his dad. That's why he freaked out
by lockesbrokenleg
And went on the pills.
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He was starting to grow the beard so the Locke visit probably just made him snap.
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his hospital. That would freak anyone out.
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Honestly, I think it's for no other reason than at the time the writers weren't ready for the audience to know who Jeremy Bentham was. The fact that we didn't see Lcok saying "oh by the way my new fake name is Jeremy Bentham" is just a small oversight.
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cheif- i absolutely agree about wrapping up libby's backstory. it will happen. as you said, we have been getting answers for a lot of the more minor mysteries. that is the MO for this season. it's the writers way of keeping us rabid fans satiated, showing they've had a plan all along, fulfilling mysterious story points along the way, preparing us for the big season 6 reveals- the origin of smokey, ben/widmore's end game/good-evil nature, nature of the island/jacob, etc. i'm loving it, and can't wait for more! sorry you have to miss tonight's episode, cheif
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i think you're both right. it's mysterious and a bit of a plot hole that they all called him bentham last season. it's obviously the writer's way to keep his identity mysterious until the reveal. so they should have shown him mentioning the name in some way to the O6. so both of you are right in noticing that we weren't show all of locke's interaction with kate and sayid. he could have mentioned it there, and they could have been aware of his use of the name. jack was aware of the name due to the hospital admission forms in the name of bentham, right? now the hurley and walt situation is different, because we obviously saw their entire encounter. so the implication is that if they are aware of the name bentham, there is more story to tell. how are they going to wrap it up? i have no clue, but it will be done. mark my words, there is NO WAY we are done with walt's story. the very thought scares and saddens me simultaneously.
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still invalidates what happened in the episode... #1) BEN: "Did he tell you that I was off the island?" JACK: "Yes, he did." (No, he didn't.) #2) BEN: "And what did he say to you?" JACK: "He told me... that after I left the Island... some very bad things happened... and he told me that it was my fault... for leaving... and he said that I had to come back." Now, maybe I'm weird... but the conversation I wanted to see was THAT conversation. Why leave it out and force viewers to ASSUME that it happened sometime off screen? Because we already had a vague summary of it? It's like if I am talking to you, and I say "My friend told me A, B and C.", and then there was a flashback where my friend tells me A, Q and R. WELL OBVIOUSLY you must have talked to him at another time in which he said B and C. But why show that? Meh. Anyway, if this is the biggest letdown of the season I'll be happy. I just really, really, REALLY hope we don't have like 4 episodes worth of flashbacks that show the "REAL" conversations that Locke/Bentham had with the O6'ers. GET BACK TO THE FUCKING ISLAND AND STAY THERE! Hopefully tonight will r0x0rz.
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first Wednesday of sweeps?...I think Herc has been working too hard...isn't sweeps only in February, May and November?...when did March become a sweeps month?...or were you confusing March with May?
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Needs to fight Jin again. I don't know how they'll justify it but those wicked hits in the first season were some of my favorite scenes on this show. I miss my racially motivated infighting.
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Widemore didn't want Ben to know Locke was on the mainland, so Ben had to track Abbadon around and then he found out Locke was back. Ben didn't know about Jin until Locke told him.
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and i was calling out all the absurd plotholes from s2 like it was going out of fashion. IT was just something to keep the story running along. In the scheme of things it's not a huge clanger.
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That Sawyer, stuck with the Dharma Initiative in the 1970s, pretends he's a guy named Tom. Ya, THAT Tom.
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Feel the need to have the occurances before the Island, where characters live and dealings are seemingly all interconnected explained in some nicely wrapped bow. It's a story about fate and destiny. Why can't their life lines just be entwined? Is it really that impossible for you people to infer a thing or two? Most of the "connections" never really matter, they are just fun little happenstances of fate. The Desmond and Jack one is the best, but it just means they are connceted, why does it have to have some magnificent explanation? It's just meant to give the show resonance, depth, and power. The explanation is just that these peole are connected, and they have a destiny that they are all a part of. The connections are just taking advantage of opporunities the flashbacks provided, I don't think they have some huge, revlatory explanation. It would seem stupid and unnecessary if they did. Besides, would you really want Ben or Jacob or whoever to sit down and say..."Listen, the reason you have all been interconnected before all this is because...blah blah blah." It would so lame, and just crappy fucking writing. Not to mention the fact that most of the time it happens, no one is aware, or ever will be made aware, that they were in the same room as so-and-so or part of the same business as whoever. It's just part of destiny and the twists of fate. You're all so needy. Infer a few things. Remember: Destiny...is a fickle bitch.
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Mar 04, 2009 4:45:25 PM CST
That's the entire point of the show - science VS faith
by lockesbrokenleg
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Mar 04, 2009 4:45:34 PM CST
Why did Jack say "Some bad things happened and it was my fault"
by tallboy66
When did Locke mention this to Jack in their hospital conversation? Did Locke EVER mention that bad things were happening on the island because Jack left during that conversation after Locke got in the car accident? Really? Someone tell me, please.
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Darlton have said as much. There is no "wrap-up". Then again, they never wanted to show Rousseau's team either, but they did anyway just to appease rabid fans. Hence the inconsistencies between S1E9 "Solitary" and S5E5 "This Place is Death". However, inconsistencies between S4 Finale and S5E7 are harder to explain. Also, if they needed to call him "Bentham" to "keep up the lie", then why doesn't Walt have a pseudonym? And if they were calling him "Bentham" because of fear of Ben and Widmore's spies... Well, Ben and Widmore both knew they were lying AND that Bentham is Locke... So what's the point? It just seems so forced.
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are you talking about?
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no lost for two weeks...
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I just have this weird freaky fear that Sawyer actually shot an older version of himself. Unless we run into a younger Tom when Sawyer's stuck in the 70s. This show's really starting to mess with my head. :-P
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LOST tonight wooooo! I cant keep up with anything
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So, you're saying that Sawyer finally becomes jaded with Kate and goes gay? And so, in 2004, future Sawyer doesn't think that Kate is his type because he knows that she is a bitch and he would much rather do men than touch her with a ten foot pole again?
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...from watching this show.
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...which would really be a continuity error.
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His name is in the cast list, so it's not really a spoiler. Maybe a younger Charlotte?
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Plus I thought the gay thing might be more of a con, a long con. Or maybe YA she did do something to turn him gay. lol
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what happened to their "the last 3 seasons will be 16 nonstop, non-interrupted episodes" thing? last year had the strike so thats understandable but hmmm. i mean its just one wednesday but still, how odd.
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... I am a very slow typist.
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Anyone read Flight 714? Was going through my tintin collection this weekend and this story caught my eye. You can wiki it up if you want, but what really made me go WTF was a specific panel, which mentions 6 survivors from a crash, found in a rubber dingy.
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Seriously. Hurley spent his entire time in the institution TALKING TO GHOSTS! Ghosts telling him things that we don't know. One of those things could easily be Charlie saying -"Hey, man. I know Bentham coming to visit you was a shock, but I have some more stuff to tell you" -"Bentham?" -"Oh, right. That's the name Locke is under while he's off island", Plus, it's incredibly vague as to what Walt is capable of past dead birds and some kind of time teleport. With the way this show works, there's a hundred ways Walt, of all characters, can know that piece of information about the name 'Bentham'. Why is everyone using that name instead of "Locke"? Maybe because the O6 made it clear that the island was a traumatic 100 days in their lives they'd rather not be reminded of as much as possible, especially by the presence of a man that they all regarded as a nutbar half the time. If I went thru what they did, and Mr. Crazyman showed up under a different name, I'd sure as hell use it as a reality buffer. C'mon, people. This isn't like the ending of Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes' Thade-braham Lincoln Statue mess. Compared to that piece of shit, this 'problem' is like grammar from a children's book.
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Maybe he's been to Tunisia?
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And it was better then any Lost episode since season 1. Can't believe they are canceling that show.
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...an episode where Manchester Gene Hunt, maybe in a cameo as a Brit mobster, faces off with NY Gene Hunt. Sure he turned down being the NY Gene Hunt but they could have offered him a cameo too.
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They're nice...
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He could sell his pics.
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It was a pic of the Sphinx.
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They did not call him jeremy Bentham because they wanted to keep the identity of the corpse a secret for the cliffhanger. Seriously, the most obvious answer is usually the best. Just chalk up Walt knowing the name as part of his being special.
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Locke did have a Jeremy Bentham visitor sticker on when he went to visit Hurley
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Or on Widmore's payroll somehow. Maybe Walt found out through Widmore through the company newsletter.
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Remember the mitochlorins, or whatever Lucas called them.
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Looking for the exit point from the island all over the desert?
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...doesn't that mean that people from any period in time could show up there in our present, provided they found a window?
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I think this guy is important. Remember young Rousseau was just "French Woman #2" in the guest list of The Little Prince
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Why, I don't know.
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In the season 4 finale, after shooting someone outside of Hurley's institute, Sayid convinces Hurley to go with him to someplace safe by telling him Jeremy Bentham is dead... they said it was suicide. Hurley asked why he calls him that name and Sayid shushes him up and said they were being watched and not to say his real name. Of course, this was also to set up the surprise cliffhanger...
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Is it not possible that Ben murdered Locke because, Christian was murdered?? Best show ever.
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Michelle fucking Dessler is on tonight!
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Mar 04, 2009 5:26:42 PM CST
Lost perfect example of see what shit sticks to the wall.
by evilwizardglick
Lost is fun. lost totally makes it up as they go along. Sure they follow a very broad general outline. In the end the discarded plot devices give it away as inconsistent. Superhuman others, nope just teens now. Vaccine Desmond had to inject daily and possibly needed for Aaron, doesn't matter anymore. Frenchy's people changing over time with their exposure to the jungle gets shortened to less than a day. And worst of all the totally shucking aside of Walt.
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And I can't believe I just read that.
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Weird.
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Mar 04, 2009 5:27:44 PM CST
You guys wanna talk about plot holes from "Life and Death"...
by ravetin
...Explain this: In the S3 finale, full bearded Jack reads about Bentham's death on a flight returning to LA and later tells Kate that he's been using his "golden pass" for some time. In LaDoJB, Ben tells Locke that his visit to half bearded Jack has spurred Jack into flying to Sidney at the same time as Locke is hanging himself.
I love Lost, and this season, but come on, they're fucking up a bit. There haven't been any HUGE fuckups, but it's just kind of an uncanny valley thing since the continuity was excellent for the first few seasons. -
I'm amazed at the amount of focus on whether or not Locke told Walt or Hurley about the name Jeremy Bentham. I think the only reason they even came up with the whole Bentham device to begin with was because fans obsessively tried to make sense of the newspaper clipping that caused Jack to go off the deep end at the end of Season 3.
As seen here: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Newspaperclipping2.jpg
Walt and Hurley and Kate talking about "Bentham" coming to see them was just a device in order not to reveal that Locke was dead. I think it was more the FANS who invented the need for the Bentham lie than the writers themselves. -
...Locke being dead and Locke getting off the island are two different plot points. Really, why not mention that Locke got off the Island earlier on?
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Kinda as in, somewhat, not fully. I think the stick to the wall thing stopped the moment they had an end date. Stick to wall stuff was mostly for filler subplots, which I am kinda bummed about [like the entire pregnancy arc of early seasons, esp when Juliet came aboard] but don't mind, rather have no time to ponder over with the spinning wheels finally hitting the ground and leaving skid marks over the sidewalk.
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Yeah, it was a plot device whose purpose was simply to delay the revelation of who was in the coffin. But if they were to draw out every meeting and explain that Locke was using a pseudonym, the episode would have taken two episodes. The fact that Locke never told Walt the name Bentham is a big slip-up, for sure, but come on, the Bentham ruse is soooo last season.
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And Walt probably read it. Explained.
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Its always over so quick. I wish there was a time capsule I could shut myself in till its all over. Then I'd watch all the remaining episodes in one go. I don't care about the whole Bentham thing, what about the numbers, smokey, the statue etc etc etc
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He shot her! Why, I don't know. She was the Economist.
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The obit actually said J ... ntham. At least what we could read of it.
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Why would walt read the OBIT? I mean, i can't remember where they said he was living, but it didn't look like LA, and well i doubt there's much of a chance of a man with no family of friends(or life really) have an obituary run nationally.
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Tallboy... yes, it does look as if there was another conversation between Jack and Hurley, another part of their conversation, or Jack is telling a bold-faced lie. Herc... perhaps it isn't so much the name of Jeremy Bentham, but the fact that Widmore gave the name to Locke? Considering his crack about Locke's parents having a "sense of humor" when naming him, you almost wonder if this is implying something about the future of the Widmore/Locke relationship. Widmore's joke was rather deconstructionist, as it was.
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and being surrounded by evil people. I'm sure he sensed that Locke "died" when he did.
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... we know she was "buried" in Santa Monica, but where was the fake Jin burial plot? It probably isn't likely that they're in the same cemetary, but one must wonder if there's some sort of relationship, there...
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Lets not forget that they established that Walt has some strange "Oracle" style powers of the mind as well.
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My guess on who La Fleur is was right.
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last week's heavily hyped Jeremy Bentham episode was a big letdown...mostly everything that was shown was stuff that we already knew happened...all that hype for nothing...hopefully tonight's episode makes up for it
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Well, if I were to publish an obituary with name Shane Gilroy tomorrow it won't mean a thing to you unless I told you my name is Shane Gilroy, right? In other words, how can Walt know Locke is Jeremy Bentham, unless his powers told him so, that I can buy.
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my bad Herc...you were right after all...just read this online--->The February 2009 sweeps period was moved to March so that the ratings would not be affected by any problems created by the February 17th switchover of analog broadcast television signals to digital. When, in early February, the digital transition date was moved to June 12, the "February" sweeps period for 2009 remained in March
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We didn't know Ben killed Locke. The part with Widmore and later Ben throws into air all assumptions about who is good and who is evil. And not to mention, Abaddon dies. And also, Locke comes back to life... actually DIES and THEN comes back to life. Healing et al is one thing, but coming back from dead is a BIG DEAL, more so considering Christian is still dead. But more than anything, it was the whole Ben-Charles dynamic.
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First, easiest solution: he visted them more than once. Think of Locke’s track record in the series. He’s a pretty obsessed guy and rarely quits because of one little speed bump. Do you really think he would approach each lostie once and only once and then say, “No? Okay…killing myself now.” We don’t *REALLY* need to see what we’ve already been told, do we? Especially when there’s so little time to each new episode…and so few of them as it is? Second, more spin doctored solution: We really didn’t see “all” of Locke’s visit with Hurley. He hardly beamed down from the Enterprise to sit near Hurley. If you think about it, an orderly could’ve easily said “Hurley there’s a man named Jeremy Bentham here to see you,” and Hurley’s like WTF, and then sees Locke and thinks he’s going crazy again then realizes he’s actually the guy who came to see him and puts two and two together that Locke is going under the new name of Jeremy Bentham. Walt, for that matter, already said he had dreams of Locke so it’s easy to presume 1) there was more than one dream, and 2) they were “talkies” and not silent dreams and someone in one of the dreams mentioned his name of Jeremy Bentham. Walt is also, for that matter, a strange dude whose creepy almost-island-ish powers are still unexplained, so: he just knew. Just some of many answers, really. Okay; back to discussions of the actual mysteries, guys! Like “Kate” auditioning for TV pilots intended for *THIS* fall. What is up with that?
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I said "mostly everything" was stuff we already knew about...the only things that were new were the Widmore conversation and the Ben killing Locke part...and how many minutes did those scenes take up in the episode?...5-7 minutes?...the other 45 minutes were just rehashed scenes that provided nothing new (also remember that the episode ran about 5 minutes longer then normal)
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why doesn't FX's Damages get a talkback?...that show is a damn fine piece of television...I remember a talkback for the first episode of this new season but nothing after that...Damages is the best show nobody is watching!
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We need to know more about him.
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well, those moments left me reeling with enough questions and theories in my head to even notice that (: But know what I liked about the rehashed scenes, the way the gradually setup Locke's feelings for Helen. The whole 'you wanna stay coz have no reason to go back to' talk all gave and how it gradually made Locke seek Helen more, as if to prove to himself he wants to go back. And with Helen's death, it adds to Locke's feeling of failure. Yeah, nothing much in terms of overall answers, but an interesting character study, at least for me.
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It was a lame plot device to create mystery, though. However, I suppose we can assume.Walt's grandmother got a call from either Abadon or Locke, and either man left the name "Jeremy Bentham" with her. So Walt knew someone with that name was looking to talk to him. When he saw Locke on the street, the lad put two and two together.The staff at Hurley's asylum told him that a "Jeremy Bentham" was wanting to visit him. When he saw it was Locke, Hurley also figured that Locke was going by that pseudonym.Either way, this isn't worth referring to again, as there are bigger mysteries for this show to resolve.
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This could have been easily fixed with just a single line of dialogue for both Walt and Hurley:WALT: "My grandmother told me yesterday a man called named Jeremy Bentham. That was you." LOCKE NODS.HURLEY: "YOU'RE Jeremy Bentham??! I told them I don't know a Jeremy Bentham and that I don't want to talk to him!"However, maybe this will be fixed in one of the upcoming episodes in which we learn why Hurley decided to get on the plane to go back to the island. Maybe Ben told Hurley that Locke was going under the Bentham. Walt could show up again, too.
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Juliet? or Claire?
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. . . so after the car accident, Locke was in the hospital under the name Jeremy Bentham . . thats how Jack knew that name
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When did it change to March?
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probably.
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Actually Jack Bender one of the directors has done most of the paintings on the show. Hurley's art, the painting in the Swan hatch and some others.
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Makes sense now.
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I think that its a Dharma girl named Amy
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We don't know how long the period was between Locke's death and Jack's conversation with Kate was granted it wasn't too terribly long, but he could have flown a couple times before talking to her. Also since his break up with Kate he could have just caught a flight here and there and talking to Locke convinced him to buy one. Ben didn't say he bought his ticket for the very first time right after you talked to him, he just said he bought a ticket for Sydney and a return one that is immediately afterwords. If this is the case buying tickets like that he could have done this off and on for sometime.
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Up until recently the BSG crowd were looking at their show like you do when you first fall in love, you don't notice those little flaws.
Whereas us Losties are more like after you have married your true love, you have never been more in love, she is the best thing you have ever had, too good for you, but wish she had slight bigger breasts, wish she could get that little mole removed.
It's definetely human nature to notice or care about something you really like/love.
Look at the Star Wars prequels as a further example, most people around the age of 12-15 were thinking what are these guys going on, they were perfectly fun movies aimed at our age, but we didn't think so, we wanted masterpieces. -
That might explain a lot right there, huh?
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http://tinyurl.com/dgl2ug
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Zombie Charlie: "Hey Hurley, there are people who can't know John Locke is off the island." Hurley: "Why not." Charlie sighs. Charlie: "Just trust me. Only refer to him as Jeremy Bentham." Hurley looks confused and sad.
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...Locke's death and "we have to go back" can only be a couple days apart. Unless someone was running the obit over and over again. I the way it happened COULD be possible (Jack's beard has been shown to have magic powers before) but it just seems like they're not going over their own timeline with a microscope like they used to.
Also, I'm just gonna say now that while I've always been on the side that the writers had a great deal of things planned out from (or close to) the beginning, but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if they either didn't plan the O6 storyline out very well, or just really changed their minds about it at some point. Probably the latter. Seems like they got all excited about the flashforward gimmick, then when S5 started they just said "fuck, this off-Island arc is actually kinda boring" and rushed them right back to the island. -
Aha, Amy, the new girl. Didn't one of the writers say that we may have already met amy? or is another one of those fan words misquoted to Cuse n Damon?
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Mar 04, 2009 7:41:58 PM CST
one thing that surprises me about the characters
by tom_cody_pleased2meetu
in 'the life and death of JB', is how, after all they went through on the island, and the hell of trying to leave, that they weren't more shocked to see Locke off the island, seeing how it vanished in front of their fool eyes, and that they know that it would take an act of god to get Locke to leave the island, after going to INSANE lengths to stay, from knocking Sayid over the head and wrecking radio equipment, to blowing up a submarine. The collective douchiness of the O6 made me want to slap them silly.
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I wonder about that.
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do you think ben stopped locke from killing himself, just so that he could kill locke, because maybe ben had killed jacks dad that night in australia and it just went along with the we need to replicate as much as possible from the first flight...
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That's how he knew who Bentham was.
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STATUE!
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Was that statue from a rear view?
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Sawyer, in with Dharma, I guess we're gonna learn how!
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Has to be. The four-toed foot was facing the ocean when the Losties saw it from the boat.
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BADASS. Can't wait to see how he (and the others, presumably), infiltrated Dharma. How were they not lumped in with the Hostiles?
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did you guys see that. is that not one of the biggest cock teases this show has ever done. somebody better get screen caps up on some site asap
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I tuned in to this season for the first time. Seven minutes is my limit. Sawyer working for Dharma years, possibly decades before he ever even heard of the island. Fucking ridiculous. Mark my words, when the documentaries about the Lost 'phenomenon' are made ten years from now, the writers will open up about how the success became too overwhelming. How the story just 'got away from them.' Yes, I know they say they've had a plan all this time. But apparently, they decided they liked time travel more than whatever their 'plan' was. Every scene now is time travel, time travel, time travel. The first THREE seasons had NOTHING to do with time travel.
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I'm guessing this time travel mess means they were a part of Dharma before they crashed on 815, this is gonna get strange! IT alos means they know they are coming. So what are they responsible for in the LOST future? Hmmm.
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We've been presuming that they've been time traveling with the sawyer, juliet, faraday, et. al. Does that mean they're all part of dharma too?
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they have to end up joining them...unless they join the other side...the flaming arrow group
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Mar 04, 2009 8:21:34 PM CST
Too bad they had another time skip after they saw statue...
by brokenheath
...now it'll be gone again.
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First 5 minutes of Lost better than entire 4th season of BSG.
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"Sawyer working for Dharma years, possibly decades before he ever even heard of the island. fucking ridiculous"
That's where you're wrong. Sawyer is aging forward, not backwards. there's no paradox here. If I went back in time to 1950, it's not like I would suddenly remember growing up then. -
Perhaps a new title for the show. :)
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The paradox is that when things happen in the past differently, those in the present seem to remember them. Like Desmond.
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so who is the baby.....
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would the baby have been born without Juliet?
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That has been made clear by Daniel. The Hatch explosion probably had something to do with it. But, Desmond is the only one who has shown signs of remembering past changes. He is the exception, not the rule.
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Juliet may have been the only one to know what to do.
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close. Of coure they will throw a mokeny wrench in when Kate appears again sadly.
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...so how did this one deliver full-term?
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The grid search could refer to looking for the other islanders. maybe they didn't get transferred, since they were close to ground zero.
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hasn't happened yet.
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So that I can netflix it and spend weekends with my shades drawn in front of my plasma. The best way to watch great TV is to wait till it ends and watch it all at once.
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it's strange, their minds seem to update the past info like a computer does once the past is changed. i guess one minute it's empty and then the next time their minds are updated with the new info...possibly?
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What an absolutely shit job of conning that nerdy looking leader. His face basically had "I'M LYING TO YOU, DICKFACE" all over it.
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What a fucking time-gangster.
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I DON'T WANT IT TO END....
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red headed charlet.
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ALL ABOARD THE HOOOOOO TRAIN
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is in the building. And I hope the LOSTIES can avoid the purge! "Uh Oh" might be right.
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I think that this is before whatever happened to make it so that babies couldn't be born successfully. The Others had to bring Juliet in because they were having problems with mothers dying. That's a long time in the future from now. Obviously something happens that we haven't seen yet.
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is. Dind't he have somethilng to do w/ Ben's flashback?
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Just a hunch, but I think they punt back to normal time before then.
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"Your buddy with the eyeliner..." hahahaha
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I LOVE this shit. This type of episode is like fucking crack to me.
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But of course this will be a mind fuck and kate will return and once again will have a five some going on for the lady viewers.
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Unless you die before it ends. Oh shizzle.
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A platonic relationships cannot exist on tv!!!
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Nuff said.
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I think you're talking about Horace Goodspeed. Look him up on Lostpedia. He's a big Dharma muckity-muck.
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I loved Sawyer's eyeliner comment too. Also, the comment from Richard about being able to get through the sonic barrier and it really being to keep other things out. Like smokie of course!
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He recruited Ben's parents to the Dharma initiative.
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she'll eat it!
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Starting to feel the show is suggesting this was all meant to happen just as the way is going down. Maybe Widmore or Ben ware just trying to make sure things happen right...and at the end they can break the time loop....finally. And once the lop is over, someone can either claim the islanf or destroy it, maybe? Y never know witht this show!
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Screw Avatar!! This show is fucking my mind! You never know what the fuck is gonna happen! Sawyer and the Doc?! For three years at least!!? LOL!
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you got me there. you could see that one coming a mile away. the writers tend to do this sort of thing about every couple of weeks.
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She eats all the babies. It's a habit-forming hobby.
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See? She's here now!
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lulz
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MY BRAIN!!!
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It just fucked everything up. I feel nauseous.
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Mar 04, 2009 9:04:36 PM CST
Looks like the next episode will fuck my brain
by therevengeofleevancleef
even harder. Better be worth it since I have to wait two weeks.
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They were Adam and Eve. Sniff.
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Kate dies and becomes a ghost on the island that eats the babies souls while in the mother. This has the side effect of killing the mother as well. Kate's presence on the island in the past is what causes pregnant women to die... she ate Aaron too, who was born on the island... but could only do this with her physical non-ghost form.
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Epic. Beautiful. Giant Statue! LaFleur! Staute looks to be bracing rope tied to ground, holding steady, pulling up. Long hair/headdress with animalistic ears and a crown.
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http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Horace_Goodspeed
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that guy is the fucking OG mack.
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...hands down. Statues and cons and Black Rock name dropping and little red-headed Austrailian girls and Richard and Horace. Total continuity porn!
And I never thought I'd see the day when Sawyer was the grounded one who I thought should stay the fuck away from Jack and Kate for his own damn good. But this show subtly got us to that point. -
I need gatorade after this episode.
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I'd ask why they waited until tonight to jump the fuckin' shark. None of the chicks that I chat with during the show is onboard for this Sawyer/Juliet BULLSHIT. There was a barffest going on. I mean we're talking hatred here.
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Lion-O the Thundercats rule Darma Island.
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Mar 04, 2009 9:16:59 PM CST
horace, thanks for the info. and that goes for maxwell's hammer
by gqtaste
maxwell's hammer as well. many many thanks. It all came back to me after looking at the lostpedia.
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Has anyone else been so tainted by the awful 2006 version of The Wicker Man it just made you groan rather than get excited?
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Why has no one mentioned that Ben would be a member of the Dharma Initiative the entire three years that Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, etc. are there? Juliet and Faraday both have full knowledge of the purge and they don't deal with little Ben running around? Thye are there from 74-77, Ben and his father got there late 60's. I'm sure the writers will eventually deal with this but it's incredibly irresponsible to not deal with it right away.
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we can only hope that happens next episode. And the rest of the show is John Locke and the new people. *hates*
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so now the time matches up...3 years off island= 3 years on island with Dharma...right?
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Watch the front have the face of John Locke.
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any shots of that Statue anywhere?
Ben was there?
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The losties going back to the Dharma days does nothing to change the course of events that we've already seen. Everything that happened happened. The purge, the crash, Charlotte dies... Or perhaps they can change things. Faraday seemed intent on trying to change things in the first ep of the season. Down in the excavation tunnel, near the donkey wheel, with the cannister of blow-em-ups. But i think to no avail. Time travel is heartbreaking. What happened happened.
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I'm sure that the baby that Amy gave birth to is going to end up being someone we already know from the island...any guesses?
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Are you serious about the description? Becuase if you are, it suggests that someone will end up in the distant past and possibly pass along the story of the castaways down many generations. Might explain a lot if what you saw of the statue is true.
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Everybody is back but they all have their own "when". It's like bargaining with the Devil. He'll fuck you with details.
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If people don't remember things in the future, until they happen in the past, why does Charlotte remember Faraday but other people do not?
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This explains the statue, his immortality, and his eyeliner.
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Brilliant Grammaton!
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Great episode tonight. I need to get drunk now.
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The Charlotte thing makes no sense, according to Desmond's method of memory, Charlotte wouldn't remember the exchange until after Present farady told young Charlotte which is impossible because present Charlotte is no longer present. I think the writers are starting to just fuck up all over the place due to break neck pacing of the show now. I still love em, but it seems the wheels are coming off the VW
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watching Daniel and Dharma Charlotte makin' out. *hates*
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agreed, unless they have a seriously in depth explanation which in the past, they have delivered. Only "time" will tell.
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I'm rolling along for the ride. Maybe it's just time to shut the brains and reason off and enjoy.
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Making the purge around 1992. The I6 are in dharma from at least 1974-1977, maybe a little longer. pierre chang/candle makes the dharma training tapes around 1980. Ben doesn't get to the island until he's about 10. Not sure if that's in the mid 70s.
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There's still hope, I can't imagine these guys not thinking it through, I have several times played out in my head how things could work out, and no one is paying me the big bucks, gotta be something up.
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But they explained the charlotte thing with the fact that at the end, her mind was time jumping all over the place. she remembers faraday because in her mind, she had just seen him back then.
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Look at the image on Lostpedia.comIt looks like a short skirt from the back doesn't it?
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Just trying to put it together with what happened with Desmond. All those years he didn't remember Faraday at the hatch, and then he has a dream out of nowhere about meeting him way back when. Is it possible that Charlotte's mind started to update just before she told Faraday, like it was all there in her mind all of a sudden like it was yesteday. Hey, I'm just taking my stab at figuring it out.
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He simply has to be there unless Ben Linus is in his late 30's.
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http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/0f5c84bb9e339bb1201cde17f08e41cc.jpg
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We got it. You don't like Sawyerette. Personally I kind of like them together. GREAT episode. By far my fav of the new season. Felt like classic Lost again.
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pregnant kate will be the cause of babies not being born on the island somehow. and we are gonna be in for a crazy reveal in regards to bens childhood, maybe even birth. Remember how Evangaline started lookin for work b4 everyone else? i say she dies giving birth beginning-mid next season.
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Its the best description i can give according to my freeze frame. Head is up for debate. Its probably human with an animalistic headress. Love the Alpert/Locke face ideas. Classic!!!!!!!!! If Locke's face is on the statue, that would be awesome. Locke/Part Lion-o - even better.
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at the end of the show when the time loop (that has yet been revealed but will be i think), that nuke is going to be used to intentionally destroy the island.
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at the end of the show when the time loop (that has yet been revealed but will be i think) is finally fixed by ben/widmore/whoever, that unexplained nuke is going to be used to intentionally destroy the island for good.
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the size of Jughead to fix this. But thanks for the advice, Hobocode.
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Actually, Ben and his father arrived in the 1970s, not the 1960s.
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OHHH THEYRE IN THE... 70s!!!!!
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Radzinsky in the trailer for next week!
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Who is Horace and Amy's son? And what the hell happened to Olivia? Wasn't that his wife or was it his sister?
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I've been wanting her to croak it for a while - hurry up and die, Juliet!
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Only way Sawyer can get back with Kate now without this turning into a daytime soap.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus if not take out the spaces. I think that's the statue and that's why Horace is named that. But then again my brain did explode earlier.
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Hopefully the latter.
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I thought that would be so interesting to see how they adapted and survived for the 3 yrs the O6 was off the Island. I was slightly disappointed when early this season it started looking like it would be 3 yrs for the O6 but only a couple of days or weeks for the Left-Behinders. Now we get to see Sawyer and Juliett shack up and get some drama between the characters. Sucks for Locke, though. He's gone through a lot of shit in only a couple of days while everyone else has lived 3 more years. Bt now I REALLY wonder what has become of Rose, Bernard, and the other survivors.
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The large items that the statue is holding are ankhs.
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...and how fucking long do I have to wait for the fucking torrents?!
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Let's get on with it.
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Good call. Makes sense since it was also on Paul's necklace.
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RIP Life On Mars
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Horus: http://tinyurl.com/yb374q
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Evangeline is the worst actor on the show; Kate is a redundant exercise in fickle female idiocy; and any romantic triangle with her got played out seasons ago. She does the show far more harm than good. Let Sawyer be happy and just kill Kate off!
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Richard coul pass for Hollywood's version of Egyptian, ahnk, hieroglyphs in the Swan station, Horace/Horus--it could all add up.
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The sphinx Hugo was drawing, Horus....wow....so what does this mean?
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Between Daniel making no effort to see if Charlotte was actually dead, them flashing out right away, the flashes ending right then and the healing properties the island has...cah we really be sure she is dead?
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...that Charlotte wouldn't remember Daniel in the past because it "hadn't happened yet", or that people don't remember new events in the past "until" they happen. That makes no logical sense. Since the past is the past, it's not like there's some point in the present when the past becomes changed. That assumes that, if someone were to travel back to the past, the them visiting the past is somehow existing in parallel with the present time frame that they left. But why would it be? The moment they left for the past, the present would instantly contain all the changes they were going to make (because the entire part of the past that they visited, being the past, is in the past, and has already happened).
Shit, time travel is really hard to talk about using language. So I'm probably not making any sense. But anyway, this show's time travel rules seem pretty strongly to suggest that you can't change the past, because any trips back to the past were always a part of the timeline in the first place (so there was never an "original" version of the timeline that didn't contain these trips back to the past--e.g. Danielle had always met Jin when she first got to the island, the Dharma 70s always included Sawyer et al.) The one exception seems to be that Desmond's past is somehow less unchangeable--but I'm still not entirely happy that that makes sense given the time travel rules that they've established. -
Mar 04, 2009 10:03:11 PM CST
REIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by nasty in the pasty
I LOVE YOU!!!
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And I'm totally thrown by tonight's episode. It was really good, but I had a suspicion where this show was going plot-wise. Now I don't. The Lost-ies living with Dharma initiative, with Sawyer as a de-facto Sheriff, threw me. I have NO idea where it's going, though I suspect the giant statue is Sawyer/James as chief of pre-historic island primitives.
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The Constant and the Variable. A variable can be plugged into any problem. A constant does not change...Anyone got an explanation for this theory involving Desmond remembering Faraday later, and charlotte/Daniel not? Maybe Desmond is the one variable that works in all the problems?
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The back of the statue shows the animal ears, long hair, and an ankh in each hand. Anubis is the ancient god of the underworld, which is what the hieroglyphics in the countdown in the swan was translated to: underworld.
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This is why you watch LOST. It gives you moments like James and Juliette together, Jin speaking awesome English, and Jack giving James the "Hey Man, how's it going?" look. Easily one of my favourite episodes of this entire series.
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Anubis. Egyptian God of the Dead. Holding an ank(?) in both hands, the symbol for eternity. But what the hell does it all mean?!
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here is a screenshot of the statue from tonight's episode...http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2009/03/5x08_statue-2030.php
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You really couldn't see that Sawyer and Juliet were headed for some bed time at the end of last season when he washed ashore shirtless and with a "well, we've got time to kill, sister" grin on his face? His character has kinda gotten the raw end of the stick the last 10-12 episodes or so. Nice to see he's become a leader.
A good question to ask is, who sees this ending happily next year? Does the series end with a WTF moment, or will a core group get back to the right day and time and finally be able to live well?
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was made of WIN. I love Richard/Locke theories on the face.
If Ben is there in 74'/77', he isn't even into puberty yet. They could know him from the name, but since he's just a kid, it wouldn't even be a big deal.If he's not there now, he'll arrive in the next couple of years. It's always awesome to see Richard in the past. Or at all for that matter. The man just fucking pwns. I wonder just how old he is..... -
does that means the losties have been dead all this time and Darlton were just lying to us because people figured it out in season one? LOL
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Ethan, the other who was so honored to meet Juliet when he was working with Mittleos Bioscience.
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It's not that they're together. It's that they've been together for what looks like 3 years. And the losties who joined Dharma have been living somewhat happy lives for 3 years. And the Oceanic Six were miserable and came back to help them and from the preview it looks like the Dharma losties couldn't care less. Because everything that the original losties went though together (smokey, the others, the freighties, etc.) and that we've been watching for 4+ seasons really doesn't mean anything to them anymore. They're happy playing house in the 70's, so fuck Sayid, Kate, Hurley, Locke, Sun and their attempt to save the people on the island. The people left on the island are too happy drinking their Dharma Kool-Aid to give a shit. Or wasn't that Jin pulling a rifle on Sayid?
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After all, they're the only people that either can completely trust in the past. It makes sense they'd bond.
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this is just what i wanted- them to finally deal with dharma times, and for sawyer and juliet to hook up! but god damn, kate's back. PLEASE no more love rhombuses.
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Why dress in rags and dirty clothes to make everyone think your gang is poor when you stroll into New Otherton wearing a nice shirt and slacks (and looking like the same outfit you wore in the 50s)? If you already show you have nice clothes, then why did you wear ratty ones when the Purge occurred? And if you wear nice clothes in the 50s... and nice clothes in the 70s...and ratty clothes in the 90s during the Purge... then why were you wearing pirate clothes and why did you have long hair when you ran into young Ben in the 70s? Or was that actually a 70s outfit you had going on? And were you wearing a wig? Why must you confuse me so!
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No new mysteries were introduced. Except maybe why the Others were killing Paul and preggers. But everything else was straight forward and enjoyable. I like the mysteries, but it was nice to take a break.
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So the losties have just settled for never getting back to current time? For never getting off? We don't know that. We know Sawyer told Jin to keep looking for them. Maybe they're trying to study the island in an attempt to get back. Maybe they're waiting for Locke. I always thought it was silly that all this happened in like 90 days on the island. At least now, for some, they've got a good 3 year base of it.
Everybody came back to the island because their lives were shit off it. I like the fact that we'll apparently see the losties deal with their cover being tested.
Three years with one group of people as opposed to three months with the other. Who's the loyalty belong to? Interesting stuff. I think the Kate love triangle is played out. This show in parts will have to get a bit happier for me to even care about Jack/Kate. -
those people that Juliet shot were also dressed in tattered brown clothes right? Richard doesn't make a lot of sense. My thinking on the crappy clothes previously is that like Locke told Benry once they had to live naturally. Meaning not using a fridge and stuff. So maybe the Others like weave their own clothes from bark and shit. But that wouldn't explain Richard's Casual Male look.
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so Horace Goodspeed is the leader of the Dharma Initiative?...and he also is the father of Amy's baby?...must be something the writers made up at the last minute as I don't think it was planned from the beginning...Horace seemed liked a regular 'Workman' when they first introduced him
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Karl. Making Karl about 19 when he died. Maybe this is why Karl has such a hard time adapting to the Others
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Looks like it could actually be part of that crown/headdress.
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Remember the Juliet flashbacks with the old woman, Amelia, who befriended her on the island. And Ethan at the hospital she worked at, was like I am aware of your work and honored to meet you...Makes sense. Karl, not so much.
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Many sources say he had 4 toes in ancient statues. Plus, the egyptian thing may explain Alperts eye makeup. heh.
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The tables have turned! Now I'm the mystery!
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that's why I'm pissed. See we, the audience, have been with the show for the 3 months of the losties struggle. That's the story we're invested in. So for the island people to suddenly not be involved in that anymore sucks. They're beyond it, and WE were knee deep in it. Tonight's episode was a real game changer. It changes the whole show as far as I can tell. If you like it then fine. I'm not happy about it. I feel like the rug was ripped out from under me and everything we've been talking about all this time doesn't matter at all anymore. It doesn't seem like it's going to be the same show.
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What are you saying - it's Ethan? Ethan is too old. Karl's age fits.
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So did she conceive off-Island? Or had whatever event that started preventing pregnancies not occurred yet? But Horace DID say they take pregnant women off-Island to give birth, correct? Eeeeeenteresting,... I wonder what ruins the truce later on...
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Didn't Karl die in 2004? He would have been in his mid-20's if this baby is him.
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Mar 04, 2009 10:43:34 PM CST
Still don't think the statue was built out of worship
by dapper swindler
What kind of civilization builds a statue TWICE the size of the statue of liberty, but NOTHING else on the island? Should be much more ruins.
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Cause Richard is well like OOOOOOLD, but looks young. When it comes to Losties and Others, all bets are off in exact age department.
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I'll agree with you there Dapper. That was pretty damn sweet. "I'm the man with the secrets now!
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Put the bag of crazy down..you have had enough.
Look at the Leader/Hero/Mano Mano, Sawyer has become absent the fickle formulations of the freckled one...Kate.
Of course Sawyer should be with Juliet..of course. And Kate should be with Jack..Cause if girls do wind up with facsimiles of their Fathers..it would seem the regretful, drunken, abusive overly controlling man in her life is well played by Dr.Shepherd...
Yay unto plot..if you haven't figured out this is all a sci-phi sequel to Exodus (bible not book): Leaders and followers, sheep and shepherds, bondage, a rivalry between ascendants, priests, faith being tested, fathers and sons and daughters and wives and families, brothers, sisters, pharaohs with eyeliner, prophets with issues, betrayal, destiny, murder, curses, plagues, statues, first borns dead, retribution, a wandering, food drops, a wilderness, a bright burning light, time travel, aging, the law given, life and death...basically every conflict in every story ever told since..especially Shakespeare.
So, If you haven't read it lately, Exodus..in the immortal words of the prophet Curtis: "the sister was right. You boys could use a little churching up. Slide on down to the Triple Rock and catch Reverend Cleophis. You boys listen to what he's got to say."
And Jake sayeth unto Curtis: "Curtis, I don't wanna listen to no jive ass preacher talking to me about heaven and hell."
And the Prophet Curtis rebuked with great authority:"Jake, you get wise! You get to church! (or Temple or Mosque)..they all use this material.
"...The provisions of Israel, brought from Egypt, were spent by the middle of the second month, and they murmured. It is no new thing for the greatest kindness to be basely represented as the greatest injuries. They so far undervalue their deliverance, that they wished they had died in Egypt; and by the hand of the Lord, that is, by the plagues which cut off the Egyptians. We cannot suppose they had plenty in Egypt, nor could they fear dying for want in the wilderness, while they had flocks and herds: none talk more absurdly than murmurers. When we begin to fret, we ought to consider, that God hears all our murmurings. God promises a speedy and constant supply. He tried whether they would trust him, and rest satisfied with the bread of the day in its day. Thus he tried if they would serve him, and it appeared how ungrateful they were. When God plagued the Egyptians, it was to make them know he was their Lord; when he provided for the Israelites, it was to make them know he was their God."
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You're right, Karl is too young. However, Ethan is too old. Maybe the baby isn't anyone important, I'm going with that.
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You're right, Karl is too young. However, Ethan is too old. Maybe the baby isn't anyone important, I'm going with that.
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I have heard that somewhere. But it makes some kind of sense. A nuke releases electromagnetic energy, which the Swan was venting every 108 minutes. Though... how one nuke ends the world I'm not sure. Maybe the "incident" is related to something our Lost pals do.
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Dapper. They could have been 1000 years in the past. Afterall, the only thing left is a single foot... I think there were plenty of other buildings on the Island that are now just decrepit. We've seen one big column that the Man from Tallahassee was chained to (I don't recall there being anything else around), and we've seen a "temple" that Smokey was guarding. I think its too premature to suggest the statue was all they built when so much of it in the present has disappeared- who's to say that's not the case with the rest?
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You're a fucking idiot. And obviously just fucking around.
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Boone does make sense.
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Alpert: I appear to not age!
Sawyer: I appear to time travel!
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I feel your pain, and understand it.
However, I think that's really been the case for the entire season. Here's the great thing about Lost. Every season is so different. Look, a season of Law and Order is basically the same. A season of Burn Notice (great show) is more or less the same. Maybe some plot lines are carred out, etc. Lost, every season feels so different. Season one was perhaps the best series of stories ever written about castaways. I almost cried during the season finale, watching the Raft get pushed off the island with the Dog Vincent (right?) chasing after it and Walt screaming for it to go back.
I mean at that time my thought was "whenever this ends will they make it off the island? Will we be given that happy last 20 minutes of tv, etc." And then it all changed with "You're gonna have to give us the boy."
Each season has gotten further away from the castaway them and more into the mystery the island. The time travel this year is pretty cool. I think it'll take a couple episodes to get the gang back and refocused on "how do we all get off and back in 2008."
Essentially Rose, etc haven't mattered since about season 2. It's become a different show.
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I assume he was hung up about losing Locke bc he does care in some way about him- not because he was just being selfish in wanting to see Kate again. Makes him a stronger character, in my opinion. He wants to wait for Locke, but also for Jack, Kate, Sun, and Hurley. He misses them all, not just Kate. I like seeing his more human side and glad to see him taking up a leadership position.
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I dig it. Henceforth, shall he be known as the great Time-Gangster.
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No civilization with the numbers, organization, and theology could be able to build a statue that big but only leave behind a pillar and some kind of temple. There would be more obvious ruins. If a civilization did build the statue, they probably came from somewhere else. Maybe built the statue as a marker to find the island.
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A. Daniel was mumbling crazy to himself "I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it" meaning that he wouldn't tell little charlote and her mother to not get off the island, thus changing the course of charlote's future.
B. Now we knew why Ben wanted to keep Juliet there so bad, she has to be there. Its kind of like her going to the past to help that baby into the world was her whole objective.
C. WOOT JULIET & SAWYER.
D. While 3 years has past for everyone else, it has only been a week or so for Mr Locke.
and FINALLY:
The male body in the cave will be the husband that was just killed, and Kate.
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They really need to show what happened to them. Maybe they joined the Others?
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The statue was built as a way for them to find the Island, which may have had some very special religious significance. The Mayans would take special trips to Cozumel, from what I've learned on trips there, to get fertility blessings and whatnot. So that theory makes a lot of sense- kudos to you! I always found it weird they would have the statue face away from the Island, as if its greeting or warning travelers near its shores.
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Just like Locke incredulously questioning Abaddon about his death possibly being a choice. And then he goes and chooses to do it.
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Primitive people know that they heal, see ghosts, and have other strange experiences on the island. The statue is representative of one of their gods that represents these qualities - both to honor the god and mark the island. They eventually started living on the island, but it moved and the occupants became separated from their civilization. Maybe they became the Others. Still can't explain the smoke monster then.
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So it turns out, as I had previously wondered, that the chamber underground with the wheel predates the Orchid AND the well. The wheel existed before there was any means to access it. Think about what that could imply.
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so the only thing Amy did to avoid getting zapped by the fence was put on a pair of ear plugs?
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Why do they keep showing us shit that already happened? Show us NEW shit!
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i completely forgot about good speeds past appearances on lost until i went to lostpedia. the sub is back. im surprised that no one decided to do a bet ala back to the future almanac. since the sub is back its now entirely possible that jacks dad somehow came on the island to do some consulting work. i've totally forgot about bernand and rose where are they. where's everyone! i can't wait another two weeks for the next episode!
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I think you guys are not thinking about the fact that maybe the statue wasnt built there at all in the first place. Could have have been brought/warped/whatever from somewhere/time else.
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That's when witnesses saw "Atlantis sink".
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The execs refuse to let it go against Idol, so now because Idol is testing the wednesday slot, the new episode of LOST was pushed back. I hate it more then the most because lost is the kinda show I cant go a week without...
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He turned the wheel to move the island (even though it moves on its own anyway according to Hawking) and he succeeded. It wasn't meant to do the time jumping stuff. That was happening because if fell off its axis and was unintentional. Ben pushed it awkwardly and broke it until Locke fixed it. Way to go Ben.
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They were granted unnaturally long-life by the Valar. One of the other names for their Island, which was eventually swallowed up by the sea, was Atlantie.
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it's confirmed---> Amy's baby will turn out to be Ethan
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didn't Ben mess it up on purpose? Remember how he put all that metal crap in the whatchamacallit? I think that's when he broke it.
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I bet Locke or Jack takes his place.
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But personally I would feel a little disappointed if the island was connected to something like Egypt or Atlantis instead of something original.
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Hmm...You might be right. Maybe the metal screwed with things so that when he pushed the wheel it was messed up.
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Is he hanging around here again? I've missed that guy. I need to go have a beer with him and we can discuss how stupid LOST is and how nothing on the show makes any sense. Seriously, friends, if he and I can't figure it out, NOBODY CAN!
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so we finally get to see the 4 toed statue from the back...but...who or what destroyed it and left just the 1 foot?
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The Island that spawned the myths and legends of Atlantis, the Garden of Eden, the Fountain of Youth, the Bermuda Triangle, etc etc, without having some distinct connection to an already known civilization like Egypt.
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Uhh... Time?
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That's a reference that ought to be used more in regard to Lost. Planes fly over it, they disappear. Strange things happen. All very Bermuda Triangle.
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maybe one time when the island moved the rest of the statue wasn't in the "radius". So the rest of it stayed whenever it was. But the foot went with the island. Like how Locke was able to take the compass and Sawyer and them took that boat with them when they flashed cause it was connected to their butts.
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Poorly written, acted and edited... this coming from a huge Lost fan, who is willing to ignore a lot of crap for the greater good(the greater good) of the story. That said... if all of the time travel stuff(which I have a few deus ex machina issues with as well) was just to get Kate and Sawyer into another loving/longing stare-off... then I'm pissed. It felt like watching The Matrix for the first time, and just as Neo realizes what he can do... someone changes the channel over to fucking Young and the Restless. Bad move, guys.
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means eternal life. that statue looked egyptian.. whats does this all mean?!?!?!
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This means that Richard Alpert has already gone off-Island to recruit him, and it ALSO means that he has already started, or has taken over, Mittlelos Labs, which becomes Mittleos Biosciences... bc they wanted Locke to come to their "summer camp".
Which I'm sure DHARMA has no clue about. But Horace Goodspeed met Ben's dad outside of Portland...
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Yes, exactly like teenage girl fanfic. " I don't like this science stuff... let's fast-forward to another love triangle and write about that!" What the hell, man. The only reason I stomach the lovey dovey stuff in the first place is because it took THREE YEARS of character exploration to get there. You care about the situation because of the time you've spent watching these people interact with each other. Fast-forwarding through three years of character development just to get back to the puppy-eyed stares - no doubt to woo back the women viewers who left to watch The Bachelor when Lost expected you to turn your brain on for a few seconds - cheapens the whole show -- because they've already DONE this a million times, and it was a hell of a lot better then. Fuck.
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that Candle mentioned is upcoming. I'm sure it (whatever it is) has something to do with women henceforth not being able to bring a child to term.
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...the result of some attempt to join two points of the timeline together when Faraday + O6 try to get to our present day.
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Goddamn, I love this show.
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These writers are fans of the fans. Thank you very much for including that in the script.
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I'm curious why Richard Alpert was wearing clean clothes in this episode. He wasn't wearing the tattered rags that he did when he met young Ben at a future time. I think the Others that Sawyer killed were, however. What do you think is the reason for this? Will a reason be presented for the con game that the Others played in the first couple seasons? Where they dressed up like ship-wrecked long shoremen?
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It was to keep the 815ers from wanting to seek out their technology and cozy homes.
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Another great Episode which far from coming out of leftfield was foreshadowed within minutes of the First Ep of the season with Daniel in the Orchid. And I think it will be down Daniel to "blast" them into the present to Locke, Ben and Widmore time via the Orchid somehow (which may even be oft mentioned "incident")
Yet despite them ending up where (well when) we thought they were going the Ep STILL contained plenty of surprises and interesting stuff.
As for the 3 years, well we didn't see every day of the 3 years for the Oceanic 6 so we were hardly going to see every day of the 3 years for Sawyers gang were we ?
Not that I wouldn't welcome MORE of that 3 years but we'll see what we see.
I'm curious about Marvin Candle though and I just can't see HOW Ben wouldn't be there timewise so I would guess that will be adressed and we'll find out a bit more about it all.
Ben and his father came to the Island under the name Linus as far as I can remember so surely someone would spot it ? But Ben DID say to Locke most of the others thought he was born on the Island which I presume includes Julia so I'm not entirely sure how it gets resolved. -
I actually thought the wheel was somehow 'outside of time,' not that it was necessarily before the well or the Orchid. I mean, it would have to be. How can you have a wheel that controls where the island is in time if it's not fixed in time?
And I loved that Sawyer found happiness. And with Juliet. I know she has few fans, but if I was to choose between Kate and Juliet, Juliet would win hands down. She gets it done without hesitation and 'has your back', she's loving, and she's gorgeous. Kate's angsty, whiny, evasive, unstable, a liar, runs at the first sign of trouble, and more than a bit psycho. And too skinny. Anyway, here's another case when the slightest bit of character development leads to people whining, 'it's a soap opera! Oh noes!' Get over it. Sawyer's relationships with women, especially Kate, is a defining aspect of his character. The fact that he would be happy with Juliet is a fantastic payoff for fans of the character, even though we know they're going to fuck with us (him) again with Kate back. Don't get pulled into the freckles, Sawyer! Resist! And I loved that he actually had a decent pair of glasses. One more thing, I'm assuming the 'hostiles' shot Paul and were going to shoot the wife because they had 'crossed the line' and were trespassing on Others' land, thus breaking the truce. I'm so curious about how these 'indigenous' folk got to the island. -
Who wants to bet that when the sub comes back in the 2 weeks that little Benny is on it?
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What did you think of "LaFleur"? & Who does Amy's Baby become?
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DUH!
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don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not but the four-toed statue is holding 'ankhs' in his hands-- the same thing that was on Paul's necklace
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...been shown in a different order? There's so much overlapping weirdness you can pretty much see them in any sequence. But, can you imagine if LaFleur had aired before 316? That ending would've blown my fucking dick off.
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stop watching. I do not mean that dicky or condescendingly, but on an honest level. It's not a soap opera. It's a duality. Notice how the I5 found LIVES back in the past. While the O5 had three years of suckiness. There is a reason behind all of this. A solid freakin reason that made Sawyer and Juliette the second best couple on this show.
If you cannot handle this happening. Go watch Being Erica. Dr. Tom RULES! -
...I'm already fucking sick of the Biblical deluge of tears that Kate's about to let loose when she sees them together. "Why did you choose her-r-r-r-r?! *sob*"
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She might not cry to James as much as BEG HIM TO TAKE HER BACK FOR CLOSE TO THREE HOURS! Seriously; James Ford made the best decision of his life tonight, and her name is Juliette.
Oh yeah: does anyone else think the skeletons we found in the caves were that of Amy and her husband? It would make a lot more sense if it were them, and not future Jack and Kate. -
...have to be someone more major than that. I doubt it's Jack and Kate just because that's "too easy." I thought it could have been Charlotte/Faraday but I think that's officially out now. Darlton has said the skeletons would prove they "planned it all out since the beginning."
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Also, best ending to a Lost episode in awhile!
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I'm gonna go with Desmond. Baby was born in 1974, the 815 crash was in 2004 and it's 2008 when Jack, Sun, Kate and Ben run into Desmond at the Church...so he'd be 34 currently. Granted, he looks older than that, but it could explain what makes Desmond so "special". (apologies if anyone else already called Desmond for being the baby...I didn't read EVERY post here (yet).)
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which time is Locke in?
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The O6 made a PACT not to talk about any of the survivors... a pact! Who cares how some characters found out about "Jeremy Benthem"? They just did. That's not a mystery that needs solving. The writers didn't think it was important enough to underline. So it's therefore not important how they found out. Let go. They didn't use his real name because for THREE years they have TRAINED themselves to protect everyone they left behind, Locke included, until he wheeled himself back to the mainland. P.S. Please stop with the "Adam & Eve" nonsense - it's getting out of hand. SPOILER ALERT: The skeletons are Siegfried & Roy, OK? The polar bears are really fat painted tigers named "Jeremy" and "Benthem". Walt gave birth to them. Abaddon is a sinister, immortal badass who takes down The Others with a machine gun after rappelling down the ancient statue and zapping himself through time. Listen, you can HAVE "your" Lost. I'll take the one actually being written and aired.
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I think the baby is Ben
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Maybe Ben's parents weren't really his real parents.
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I was curious what it was the statue is "holding" or "leaning" on as well...they do look like they could be ankhs...which were the Egyptian hieroglyphic for "eternal life" (thanks Wikipedia!) which certainly would explain at the very least Richard Alpert and to an extent, the Island's "healing" ability. But the Island is way out in the Pacific Ocean (i.e. no where near Egypt) and even the "exit" is in Tunisia, which IS in Africa but still has Libya between it and Egypt... so I'm wondering what the potential connection to Egypt is other than them (the show creators/writers) just picking and choosing various archeological and/or mythical items and legends to weave into their overall story...
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Ben was born off the island and his mum died in child birth . There is an episode that explicitly shows it . Rewatch all your Lost DVDs again please .
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We saw Ben's birth back in season 3 ('The Man Behind The Curtain')...and he was born in the late 60's in Portland, Oregon...his mom died, and Horace eventually got a young Ben and his father to come to the Island as part of the Dharma Initiative.
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It kind of blew my mind that Locke not only visited Walt and Hurley off-island but spent so much time with them (I thought) that they began to think of him and refer to him as "Jeremy Bentham" instead of this guy they knew for several months as "John Locke." I imagined Bentham's adventures in America as a much more elaborate thing, and was disappointed that it was just "I had a dream about you" and "I'm not going to the island with you" and "okay, see ya!"
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Maybe he was born on the island?
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Nah.
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should be Rose and Benard. It just seems fitting for some reason. Also, Herc has a point, but Darlton and Co. also have a point. Locke was sent on a quest, that he failed at miserably. He failed, but he succeeded via Ben killing him. So he died. There's your duality, there's the point of Locke's trip, and he did push Jack over the edge. He pushed him over the edge, and he got Jack back in the game. So, again, HE SUCCEEDED AT FAILING! This is why LOST rules. JAMLIETTE FOREVER!
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Kinda makes sense, maybe he is an egyptian god, hence, immortal, travels thru time, maybe an 'overseer' of sorts of the island.
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To quote high fidelity (kinda): "why do you write a LOST post when you have no interest in the show?"
Walt *will* be back, it was hinted at throughout s2 and s3 that he was "special" and in the last episode Ben told Locke "you have more work to do", the same thing walt's vision said to lock earlier in the show, Walt didn't react because he had already seen it. Theres a reason why he was considered "special" and put in room 23.
Also, Locke told sayid straight up in the dominican republic that if he changed his mind to look him up as "jeremy bentham", do you seriously think that was the first time he said that?
Herc, you need to rewatch the series or stop posting you're BS, there are more than enough talkbackers already on the wrong track.
To finish up, that statue was egyptian, not sure which god yet, probably Horus, Ra, Osiris, Or someone else i haven't thought of, If you're curious look it up on wiki... i found "the four sons of horus" pretty interesting. -
*Brain explodes*
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Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve! THEY WERE MUMMIFIED! their organs will be discovered in jars mid through season 6!
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for Kate's exit. Aside from being a superior actress, Juliette's story has always been more interesting, and Jack is less of a tool when he's not around Kate. And if she takes Aaron with her, it's two fewer things to waste time on in the remaining story. They just have to make sure not to make Sawyer too whipped, though.
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Check it out...
http://tiny.cc/dsp
Specifically post 409.
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http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1723/tawaret.jpg
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Taweret became seen, very early in Egyptian history, as a deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth. Pregnant women wore amulets with her name or likeness to protect their pregnancies.....
In most subsequent depictions, Taweret was depicted with features of a pregnant woman. In a composite addition to the animal-compound she was also seen with pendulous breasts, a full pregnant abdomen, and long, straight human hair on her head.
As a protector, she often was shown with one arm resting on the sa symbol, which symbolized protection, and on occasion she carried an ankh, the symbol of life, or a knife, which would be used to threaten evil spirits.
....As the goddess of motherhood, Taweret was eventually assimilated into the identity of Mut, the great-mother goddess.
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http://tinyurl.com/aulogt
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It's one of the gods or goddesses with a lion's or cat's head (Tefnut, Sekhmet, Bast/Bastet, Mafdet, Maahes, etc.) or, possibly, a Hippo Taweret).
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Oops! You already said Taweret. Fits -- goddess of motherhood, mothers, pregnancy
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The comms. The godsdamn comms! The walkie-talkie (transceiver) that Jin grabs off the dead 'other' and tosses to Sawyer...is modern, whip antennae, LED display, numeric keypad..modern as in it did not exist in 1974. It looks like the comms that Ben was using with the hit squad that stormed the beach at the end of S3. Welll..
So there are future others jumping to and fro through time? Ajirans? Freighties? That would make things very very interesting...or is someone in the prop dept getting canned because the didn't track down an early 70's Cobra CB...I doubt that. -
We already saw Bernard using one in S2..remems when he was talking with boone. That is what that era's portables looked like. Telescoping ant., single or max dual channel..silver trim on the outside..the 70's...go figure.
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Listen to the good old doc here. the year in which the statue is in full does not have to be the past. remember, the island is temporally different from the rest of the world. so the year on the island when the statue is in full could be the year three thousand and the year when our losties land on the island (and the statue is only a foot) could be the island year of 4000. REMEMBER: when locke went into the well, the statue was not there. when the statue was there, there was a well but it is buried in with dirt. this suggests that they were in the islands future. AND A LAST NOTE: our pinky toes are receding as we evolve. we didn't start with four toes and grow a fifth. Scientifically, we are evolving to the point that we won't have a pinky toe. the island with the statue is a FUTURE CIVILIZATION.
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My favorite this season, I think. The idea of Sawyer and the gang being involved with Dharma in the 70s is close to brilliant. Sets up a great dynamic ... This sort of thing makes me think the show can actually be intriguing for another season and a half.
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So you're suggesting the statue was built up from the broken foot? You're stupid little theory is not only far fetched but is totally inaugurate unless you're suggesting 815 crashed on that supposed *future island* (which it didn't).
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hey champvinyl. stop spewing angst and suck my cock.
you don't even have half a brain to understand what i was saying.
you're the one smoking the pipe. or the cock.
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that the broken foot is the future version of the statue, it either eroded or got destroyed or whatever but its what the statue WILL become. so what they're saying is that the timeline where the its just a foot is in the future. its not a bad theory because the well being filled while the statue is complete would lend itself to that idea. but anyway yeah, it seemed pretty clear to me thats what they're saying but i was once told i'm special so.
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Thank god there are brilliant people like you out there...like me. yes... you nailed it on the head. We have to re-explain ourselves so often for the folks like CHAMPVINYL.
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Like i said, the timeline in SEASON ONE where jin, sawyer and Micheal see the foot they're on an island in the future? obviously when sawyer and juliet et al were looking at that full blown statue it was in the past so are you stating the obvious or fucking retarded... please let me know.
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...you're still here? Obviously I didn't jam the hanger deep enough into your pregnant mom in your birth year of 1962. I'll have to get back in the time machine and fuck with one of your grandparents. You're an angsty, argumentative troll who doesn't seem to get what i and others have deduced.
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The cross thing Horace found is called an ankh. I found this online about them.
The ancient Egyptian staff sign or god staff ankh, which was also the hieroglyph used to symbolize reproduction and sexual union. According to other sources it meant life and zest for life.
Hathor, who was both the goddess of life and the goddess of death, carried and gave life with it. The contradictory Hathor in many ways corresponds to the Venus goddesses Inanna, Ishtar, Astarte, Athena-Aphrodite.
Sometimes the hieroglyph is called the key of the Nile. The symbol is associated with Imkotep (living around 3000 B.C.), physician for the Pharaoh's family. Long after his death Imkotep was made the god of medicine or healing in Egypt. That is why this symbol is used as the logotype for a multinational pharmaceutical manufacturer.
The same sign structure, but with the closed element filled in, has been found in Peru used by the Mochica culture around the seventh century. This fact is one of the many reasons to believe in many more contacts between the Mediterranean cultures and pre-Columbian America than is accepted by today's academic establishment.
So considering the reproductive aspect of this, and considering that the statue seems to be using one in each hand as a cane or crutch, go back and look at the statue again.
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some sites are confirming that the 4 toed statue is in fact the Egyptian God Anubis---> http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2009/03/5x08-the-egyptian-god-anubis.php#more
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Compare that image of Set to the statue from lost.
Its the same thing.
Also could be Ramses.... a statue of which has been found a couple of centuries ago.
But i dont think so...
This further illustrates the "bad twin" motif the show keeps alluding to.
And it yet again brings things full circle to the story of the exodus and its precedents.
Osiris and Set were given egypt by their father.
Osiris was given the delta to the north, and Set the desert to the south.
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Seti was the father of Ramses.
Seti adopted Moses who was now half brother of Ramses.
Moses had a jewish brother named Aaron.
Seti was christened after Set because Set was the patron god of the people who came from Avaris.
The ruling family of egypt at the time came from the city of Avaris... known as "the barracks" because it was historically known as a military forward camp.
The previous inhabitants of Avaris were the Hyksos, a people who had come from Canaan via the sea and defeated the egyptians with their better weaponry.
The Hyksos were comprised by folks from Canaan, as well as a colony of Minoan settlers who had brought with them new technologies like chariots and recursive bows.
The Hyksos took over most of lower "northern" egypt and held their southern "upper" egyptians as vassals due to their technological might.
Their capital was in Avaris.
The egyptians called them the "Shepherd Kings".
They themselves fully integrated themselves as the new rulers of egypt as they controlled the northern part of the Nile.
The name Hyksos means "foreign rulers"... the egyptians had to share egypt with them, but were not entirely happy about it. These "foreign rulers" were not like them.
After 400 years, the native egyptians eventually defeated the usurping Hyksos and drove them to the northernmost part of the land.
This is the biblical land of Goshen where Joseph and Jacob lived.
The remaining Hyksos had integrated themselves into egyptian culture completely by then.
Their chieftain was made a minister to the egyptian Pharaoh. He would govern that area, being granted a sort of autonomy over the land.
But then a new dynasty arose in Egypt, and they no longer had any desire to be gracious with the former Hyksos, so they enslaved them.
Ramses made his capital at Avaris because of his frequent warring with the Syrians and other peoples north of egypt. And also because it was his families ancestral home before the Hyksos had driven them south.
The Hyksos are the same people who eventually come to be known as the Israelites.
They are made slaves by the egyptians.
The Exodus story of the bible is how they escaped from slavery.
They went north into the desert and got LOST for 40 years. (years between 1974 and 2004 = 40)
Set is the egyptian god of the desert.
But has always been worshiped by the people of Avaris.
There is a very important Temple of Set in the area.
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Wow! great talkback. Some really great ideas being exchanged here. I have read many of these entries (not all) and, along with my own ideas, have come up with the following conjecture. The statue is indeed Juliet. It is very femine looking from the back. The ankhs are also unmistakable so I believe that the icon of Juliet will go on to form the basis of the Egyptian Goddess of Birth, Taweret. Somehow (in the unforseen future) the Island will travel back in time to the days of ancient Egypt and one or more of the islands inhabitants will "transport" to Egypt (Tunisia locale) via the "donkey-wheel" portal. This will sow the seeds for the entire Egyptian culture and mythology (possibly even the beginnings of life itself - wouldn't that be a cool paradox). On the subject of Egyptian mythology, I was reading up on Taweret and discovered that "magic wands" (called apotropaic ) are also associated with Taweret that are used to fend off evil. These are made from hippopotamus ivory. Now, remember the wand/baton that Ben carries with him?
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Watch season 6/7 of Stargate SG1... Anubis is a half-ascended being and a fucking black cloud!
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Very good, otherwise!
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It looked like both arms were down at the side of the statue and they were both grasping something. we only saw the right hand side but the thing looked like a poll coming up finishing with a loop and the hand was gripping it
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No one seems to care that Michelle fucking Dessler from 24 has been resurrected on the island... My dream of Jack Bauer showing up on the island and getting some fucking ANSWERS for the final episodes of the show are that much closer to being realized!!!
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We would need more than a couple thousand years for our pinky toe to disappear. Open a science book dude.
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Of course we care. The Tony/Michelle romance from 24 was one of the great romances of TV. I, too, think that a 24/Lost crossover is the answer to television banalism.
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The statue was made out of concrete...right? Perhaps, the jughead was buried under or inside of the statue. Then the bomb went off, leaving only the foot. Who says the statue HAS to be from the very distance past(like 1000 yrs ago)? Maybe once the statue was blown to bits, all hell breaks loose on the island.
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I'm not bashing your theory or anything, but as I remember it, when the island flashed to the time where the Statue was fully built, that was when the Well had disappeared into just being nothing, with a rope sticking out. The rope is only there because Sawyer was holding it and it was transported with them thru time. The time you are thinking of, when the Well is there but covered with dirt and rocks is after another flash and the statue is gone. I don't think your theory is plausible/correct because you said the statue was there when the well was, and that is not true at all. There is a flash between Miles saying "really long time ago" or whatever and seeing the statue and Sawyer jumping into the well and having it be filled. Those two things were not in the same time period/flash period. So yes, your theory is fascinating and intersting, but not correct at all. The statue is in the past, because no part of the well was present at all.
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Mar 05, 2009 9:11:08 AM CST
The Ghostbusters show up and spray ectoplasm on the statue...
by turketron
They then play some Geronimo Jackson and the Statue begins to move... but they didn't get enough on the one leg, and the statue breaks it off and falls into the water...
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I feel like I need to jump in and clarify something here. "Lost"'s version of time travel holds it that what happened, happened - when they go into the past and do anything, it already occurred in the timeline. So it makes sense that Charlotte would remember Farraday from her youth, because for her it always happened. The reason Desmond remembers Farraday's visit is because (as the good doc explained in that very episode) for whatever reason, Desmond is special - an exception. He's someone who can be used to alter time. This was underlined by the fact that Farraday was able to talk to Desmond at all - the two men "should" have never met before, since Desmond didn't recognize Farraday at any later time, but he's exceptional, and so Farraday was able to roust him from the hatch and send him on his merry little mom-finding mission.
As to why Des is special - well speculation is rampant, but most people think it's because of the failsafe event. I tend to agree with that theory. Des turning the key did something to him that makes him a variable in the time equation. But our poor Farraday is a normal, and he is doomed to warn Charlotte - because she remembers it. (Unless of course Farraday is able to use Desmond once again to somehow prevent it from happening.)
Think of "Lost" as the anti-"Back to the Future," but Desmond is the lone Marty McFly in the show. He's the only one who can stop Doc Brown from getting shot by the Libyans. Or whatever. -
Yeah, I just re-watched that section on my DVR, and its blatantly clear that you are in no way correct. So to all the people you shit on for not agreeing with you, way to go. To you Mr. Brown, I say, Pay Attention big guy, instead of sitting there inventing silly theories.
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Just checked out Lostpedia and saw the incredible amount of analysis that had so far gone into that quick shot of the back of that statue
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My theory on the Incident is that Jughead went off. Or not. Whatever reason, it was placed in a Time Loop of 108 minutes (between detonation and explosion)and buried with the Swan Hatch built on top of it. If the Time Loop is not reset in 108 minutes the bomb will go off. But it being buried deep within the electromagnetic part of the island it reacts differently, it more or less "implodes" but coats whoever was at the Event Horizon (so to speak) with the ability to somehow be "out of time".
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Your precious show has become a trainwreck, but not nearly as entertaining to watch. I only come in here to try and understand what the fuck I'm reading. Unfortunately, it's hard when even the writers don't have a clue any more. If they honestly had a plan all along, they wouldn't have thrown in this time travel EVERY episode when there was no examples of time travel in the first three seasons. It's become their deus ex machina, their easy way out of every corner they've ever backed themselves into with their cryptic, vague cliffhangers. Just give it six to ten years, when the specials about Lost's explosion into popularity. You'll hear all the cliches about the production meetings being one big party and how, at the end, no one knew what was going on. I envy that kind of lifestyle, to be honest, but stop trying to paint Lindelof and Cuse as mad geniuses. They are victims of their own success now, and have lost control of the ship. Four toed statue - Straight ahead!
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I kinda get why the chicks have a hate on for Juliette. They see her as a calculating usurper of the 2 hunks on the show. But seriously, arent we all sick of Kate's bullshit by now? When she made Jack promise not to mention Aaron, with that ferocious tragic/pathetic face, I was hoping Jack would grab her by the throat and torture her until she told him. Not cause I care what happened to Aaron, but because she is just one huge pain in the ass. If you look at her timeline, the bitch is WAAAAAY more trouble than shes worth. Plus, Juliette has nicer tits and real hips. Seriously
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that you people keep referring to when you talk about the time travel on the island? Frozen Donkey Wheel? Can you say all that with a straight face? Sounds less like a serious plot device and more like a Primus song.
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Have Kate try to get Sawyer back but have Sawyer rebuff her and go back to getting some sweet loving from Juliette. That's how the show needs to go. Jack and Kate. Sawyer and Juliette. Living happily together as neighbors in New Otherton.
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Jesus I haven't seen your troll ass in quite some time. I'm sure veryone here respects your opinion seeing as this is the first episode you have watched this season (and for a whole 7 minutes of it!), but could you kindly fuck off back to the hole you crawled out of? You're here for no other reaso nto rain on the parade and it's pathetic to say the least.
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Its obvious you don't watch the show (you've even said as much), and when you attempt to do so, you come to all the wrong conclusions and think you're smarter for it, and then come in here to trash the show and get folks riled up. You're obvious just a troll. If you want to actually have REASONS to back up your points, then WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW. Don't suddenly turn it on once this season and come to the idiotic conclusion that Sawyer was on the Island decades before the show started and can't remember the Island, you fucking tard.
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Mar 05, 2009 10:15:44 AM CST
Kate = unstable pain in the ass. Juliette = cool 2 the max
by turketron
There's no comparison between the two women. You would have to be out of your mind or have some extreme fetish for Kate's type to choose her over Juliette. Kate is damaged goods... Juliette is cool as hell and will always have your back... and doesn't need to constantly run away from her problems.
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Are the characters all mentally retarded? Why do they all do the most counter-intuitive things? It's like, the choices they make are the exact opposite of what 99% of rational adults would do... Can you not think of a way to create drama/suspense without having your characters all be self-destructive sheep?
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Care to elaborate or are you just trolling as well?
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It's all fine and dandy that people are trying to say that the statue is Egyptian in origin (I sure don't have a solid clue myself as to its true origin), but it seems everyone's more concerned with saying WHO or WHAT the statue is a statue of rather than trying to come up with theories as to why it has anything to do with an Island that couldn't be further from Egypt if it tried! I'm not too up on my Egyptian history, but does anyone know about Egyptians' possible travels beyond their own land(s)? Did they have any explorers that went out to the Pacific by any chance? Ultimately, I'm thinking that the statue is 1. certainly ancient (hundreds to thousands of years old) and 2. either a precursor to or possibly influenced by Egyptian civilization and deity worship (meaning either the Egyptians somehow go the idea for their statues and such from the one on the Island or the on one on the Island was built by people who were influenced by the Egyptians). Like I said though, I'd like to read more about everyone's theories as to the "how" and "why" the statue is on the Island rather than the "what" or "who" the statue represents. How and Why is the statue important to the overall story of 'Lost'.
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Rewatching the life/death of Jeremy Bentham last night, I came to a realization. I think Ben has seen all this play out before, and this time he's altering the time stream to make the outcome different. It would explain a LOT of his behavior. Ben wasn't a major player last time this all happened, he saw the outcome, didn't like what he saw, and is changing things this go-around. I think there's a limit to what he can change, though. He has to be really careful how he moves the pieces around the board, because if he changes too much, it could all backfire.
Why did he stop Locke from killing himself, only to turn around and murder him minutes later? The first time through, Locke still hanged himself, but Sun never found out about Jin, and only a handful of the Oceanic 6 went back. This time, Linus gets the wedding ring, gets Sun on the plane, and uses the woman in the church to get them back to the island. He murders Locke, but makes it look like a suicide to keep some continuity with the original time-stream. It also explains why Sun and Ben (and possibly Sayeed) weren't "blinked" off the plane - they weren't meant to come back like the others were. They are the "change" that happened this time-stream.
I think Whidmore is the only other one who has seen this all before, and they're playing this elaborate game to get the most favorable outcome of the events we're about to see. This also explains the reaction Linus had when Whidmore's men killed his stepdaughter. "They changed the rules!" -
I really enjoyed last night's episode. That is, up until the very end. I so want Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sayid to die. I could watch another season and a half of Sawyer, Juliette, Daniel, Jin and Miles all stuck in the 70's among the Dharma crew working along with, and against, the Others.
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Check out these pictures, and note the missing foot:
http://tinyurl.com/cz8gue
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Both of those skeletons in the cave were white. Rose is black.
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With her 70s hair, flowery purple shirt, and tight jeans. Ah yes, hoping to see more of that.
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It's not the same mythology but all this talk of Anubis and so forth makes me think that the alleged name of ol' Smokie (Cerebus) is even more significant.Just a thought.
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Although this may seem trivial, I'm hoping they explain why Richard always has short hair, however in the young Ben episode "Man Behind the Curtain" he is sporting long hair when he meets Ben in the woods. I didn't think much about this little point until last night, when Richard showed up in the Dharma era with the same short hair look he had in the 50s and in 2004. I suppose it could be explained that Richard went through a "bad hair phase" and got swept up in the 70s, but that seems a bit of a stretch. I remember at that point I just figured Richard got his hair cut with the times, but with the time jumps it seems to have always looked the same, except for that one point in time. I know, analyzing Richard's hair seems about as petty as analyzing the changing picture frames in the Miles episode, but I think it would have to be a bit more than a production error.
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The stature will turn out to be Christian Bale!
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To be kind of creepy in the way it was shot? Reminded me of some 70s horror film or something with a sense of foreboding and dread.
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I currently have lost seasons 3-5 in my queue, I stopped watching at season 2 because of my frustration but I'm ready to give it another shot. I can't remember many specific examples, but I remember several instances while watching that I would think "Why are you letting that guy go! He obviously is just going to try to come back and kill you. Kill him, or at least break his legs or something." It got to the point where I stopped empathizing with the characters because I would say to myself, "Well, that's what you deserve. You deserve x,y, z consequences because you had a chance to prevent them but you didn't. So that's what you get."
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Mar 05, 2009 10:58:59 AM CST
ozymandias - king of kings - ramses II
by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead
OZYMANDIAS
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.[1]
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.
We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragments huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
—Horace Smith.[10]
I've always thought of the two poems of Ozymandias when seeing the four toed statue. Ozymandias is indeed inspired by the statue of Ramses II that Mister E just posted. When the statue arrived in London, Shelley and Smith had a poetry contest to see which of the two of them could write a better poem based on the inscription at the base of the statue. Read the poems again the correlation with Lost is pretty cool
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Man I'm getting flummoxed about this. Darlton needs to be careful not to fuck things up here. They already fucked up Charlotte's age. Ben said last season she was born in 1979 but in 1974 she's 4 years old? Ummm...maybe the timeline was messed with or Charlotte lied about her age for some reason? Now Oliva has been wiped from history? Stressing a bit over this now.
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I'm not going to watch a show that infuriates me so. I used to have a blast watching Lost, but I took the advice of all the militant Losties who can't take criticism back during Season 4 when I criticized where it was going. The advice was 'If you don't like it, don't watch it.' So I stopped watching. But I will continue to read the synopses to see how it all wraps up, even if I disagree with it. Because that's just how I am. I have a natural curiosity about the show, but no longer have an interest in investing viewing time on it. So no, I will continue to opine at length about my various disagreements with the writers' choices, thank you very much. Don't really care who I upset or if anyone even reads it. But I will express myself for my own health. I can tell you that, despite all the ratings manipulation on the part of those running the show, that viewership has dropped significantly in TN if nowhere else. No one I know has the interest to follow the show any more. And no, we're not all dirty hicks like you've been led to believe by popular culture. So, sorry we don't like your holy grail of television, as it were. I'd give examples once again of high browed entertainments I indulge in, but it would all get turned back on me as 'pretentiousness' because for some reason around here, you people don't like those with controversial views defending themselves.
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I copied and pasted the two poems, I forgot that this website is in the stone ages. Didn't realize they'd come out in a big blob like that. Go to Wikipedia and search Ozymandias for the full story, or google Horace Smith or Shelley.
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Maybe she only remembered Daniel warning her because even though him doing it was always part of time, he was still trying to change something. Therefore she only remembered it when she was dying and it wouldn't affect history. That kinda makes sense.
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What scene was that?
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Are you implying that black people have black bones or something? How are skeletons to be classified as white people? You sound like a fucking moron.
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I'm not sure about this idea, but since her mom told her the island wasn't real maybe they got off through time. So possibly they had to alter her birth year to match her real age. If I was told I was born 5 years after I was at a young age, and seemed to be the same age as all my friends, I probably would believe that when I got older.
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You're making it too complicated. I think she always remembered a scary guy warning her about the island, but she never put 2 and 2 together to realize it was actually Daniel until the time-jumping put the idea in her head that it was possible it COULD be Daniel (or someone else she knew). Even if she remembered more or less what the guy looked like (which, given her young age at the time, would be difficult enough), she never would have had a reason to assume that someone she met years later as an adult was the same guy.
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By "don't watch it" we meant fuck off and stop posting hate and inanities. And you don't want to take time to watch the show but you'll post at length here? gotcha.
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"But I will express myself for my own health." I picture you being very mentally unstable, and your previous posts support that theory. Look, here's the point: You don't watch the show. You decide to watch your first episode of the season. You only watch 7 minutes of it. You come to completely wrong and bone-headed conclusions based on 7 minutes of one season without any context. You come on here and rail on about how bad the writers are, based on those 7 minutes. Therefore, you are an idiot. Or a troll. Either way, its best to just ignore you from here on out now that we know your game.
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Welcome to Osteology 101. I don't know where you were educated, but I have 3 and 1/4 years of home school under my belt. Ask your 3710 predecessors.
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With the DHARMA dude dancing with the 70s chick. The other guy comes running in and says something like "I leave for 10 minutes and come back to find you having a hootenanny!!" The way it was shot with the two dancing close together with a revolving camera and the music and the editing just gave me a "horror film" vibe.
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I get what you are saying, but I still think it was a memory being implanted into Charlottes head as she was dying, because her dying would the only thing that would spur Daniel to say that to her. Her dying made him do that, so it isn't until she dies that the memory is "implanted" (or whatever word we want to use. "Uploaded"?) into her consciousness. The difference here is that because she told him, he's going to not tell her, which is going to break space-time in some way. I think that plot-point is going to be a major part of the rest of this season, and is going to be connected to Daniel being down in the Dharma hatch (the first scene of S5...very out of place at the time) I think something very bad is going to happen when Daniel doesn't say that to Charlotte.
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Deal with it. You people think Lost is so fucking sacred that anyone who isn't wowed and seduced by it is a troll, an idiot, someone who jumps to conclusions, etc. But you're going to deal with people who dislike it, same as Watchmen fans are currently contending with Variety Magazine, other Watchmen fans and Alan Moore himself.
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We can take rational, well-thought out criticism, but you're doing the exact opposite. I point out glaring errors all the time based on evidence and reasoned analysis.
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They're gonna do a flip and reveal that Hurley died in the plane crash and all of this shit happened in his head before he died, Jacob's Ladder style. I know this to be true because in the three years he was locked in the nuthouse between returning to the US and then returning to the island, the dude looks like he put ON weight. They don't have feeding troughs in mental hospitals, and any real psych meds would have left him dazed and unmotivated to maintain his bubbalicious figure. I can buy time travel and four toed statues and a guy liking a redhead, but a fat dude getting twelve square meals a day in a whackhouse? Nope. Checkmate, Lindelof.
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I think the exact opposite - I think Daniel will try but ultimately be unable to resist telling her. The idea of forcing space/time to break would be a pretty huge violation of the rules they keep taking pains to establish - unless Daniel somehow gets Desmond to HELP him break the rules.
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But the nuthouse did have "taco night."
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so she won't be killed during the PURGE. She is going to die either way, but if he DOESN'T tell her (as he is planning right now) then she would die in the Purge as opposed to 30 years later. So despite NOT wanting to tell her, he will realize that he HAS to or else she'll die anyway. Lesser of two evils.
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So, spending hours reading a synopsis and then bitching on a message board arguing about how bad a show is that you don't even watch is more productive than actually watching the show? Sounds very "healthy" to me.
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What human being needs to set aside HOURS to read an episode synopsis? Sounds like a very attention deficient individual to me. No, less than ten minutes at most.
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I'm fairly sure that Ben, Sun and Sayid were all also "blinked" off the plane...they're definitely on the Island (as per the preview for the next episode). Sun and Sayid haven't been found yet, so they're probably on another part of the island. And just because the other survivors of the 316 crash found an injured Ben, doesn't mean he wasn't blinked off...he could have blinked off and just been blinked to the other island as opposed to the main island. Also, the new chick (who was guarding the handcuffed Sayid) told Locke that the pilot (Lapidis) and a woman (Sun?) took one of the three outrigger canoes. So we can't assume that Ben, Sun and Sayid (perhaps even Lapidis) weren't "blinked off" the plane just yet...because we haven't seen their stories back on the Island start up again...
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why does time travel automatically mean they didn't have any idea what they were doing? They promised to show the 4 toed statue - how else can they show something that only existed 2000 or so years ago? Flashbacks? I'm quite sure that time travel was ALWAYS going to be part of it. The Dharma Initiative has been a HUGE part of the show since the very beginning of S2, even before that if you consider the hatch was introduced in S1E11. Would you rather we were introduced to a slew of new characters and then get flashbacks to the 70's? I for one think it's FAR more interesting to see the inner workings of Dharma through the eyes of characters we are already invested in. The original name for this show was "The Circle"... Wouldn't it make sense that the survivors of 815 are the direct cause of the events that lead to them arriving on the Island? Sounds like pretty good storytelling to me.
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Have you seen some of the sexless blocky night maidens who work at those places?! "Taco Night" is something to be feared. The only real relevance is you dine down South with rejected ingredients.
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Ok... 10 minutes reading episode synopsis.. but how long have you spent arguing with people whose opinions you already stated you couldn't care less about? I see that you made your first post today at 10:03 and now it is 11:53... This is not including posts made last night. Do you not see where I'm going with this?
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I'm not trying to change your mind in any way. The slave ship in the middle of the jungle, Walt appearing in places he shouldn't, the bodies in the cave, Hurley and Sayid picking up old time music on the transponder, Russeau originally stating she was researching time, the electromagnetism given off at the swan, the others speaking to the losties as if they already know them, waking up unharmed in the jungle after the plane crash just as they did from time-travel this season, the list goes on but all this and more happened in the first two seasons. Third season; Locke's dream involving Jack taking off his watch so Ben will let him through doorway, Colleen dies and Jack states "time of death" looks around, no clocks. Women unable to give birth, the agelessness of Richard Alpert. To say time-travel was just thrown in there and not planned from the beginning means you're not really paying attention. Seriously, you should write a book entitled "My opinions on shows I haven't watched." I stopped watching Deadwood because it kept being about the old west, I was like "get a clue writers!" You with me Sick Fixx? High five!
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Never heard that before. Where did you get that info?
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Since you are more apt to read a 10 minute (at most) synopsis than spend 40+ minutes watching the DVD later on or an hour+ to see the show when it airs, I have a time saving idea for you.
DVR it, fast forward through it, be done in about 2-3 minutes. That way in less time you can at least see what you're missing.
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Save for that crap 'oh, it's Kate, ah' ending. Yeah, like she deserves a God-damn thing. Last week, she didn't care if everyone on The Island died. KICK HER ASS TO THE CURB, LeFLEUR.
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Let's hope he doesn't let Kate grab him by the balls again like Jack does. We don't need any more relationship drama on Lost. Kill off Kate.
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I always assumed it was a "let's be discreet" decision for everyone to refer to him as Bentham.
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Awe - thum!! From seeing 4-toe stand well above the trees looking across the seas, to seeing Horace drunk and a baby born at Juliet's hand, seeing Sawyer con Horace and own Richard, seeing Jack's hey buddy face seeing Sawyer, etc. And even though I'm not a big Kate fan either, seeing the emotion Sawyer exhibited he just denied could exist after 3 years when he saw Kate...they hit on all cylindars in this one...personal, sci fi, etc.
But I have a question after seeing this and the last 2. Jack, Kate, and Hurley (at least) are in the same time as Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Miles and Daniel. I'm assuming Sun and Sayid are to since according to one of the 316ers he saw at least 1 vanish. We'll say that's in 1977. Locke is risen and on the other island in the same time as Ben and the newbie 316ers. And we'll say it's 2007 then. Doesn't that seem to make the 2 different islands 30 years apart?
Now THAT's curious.
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pretending he can picture a whole jigsaw puzzle while having seen 3 or 4 pieces and then complaining about it being full of holes. But I tell you mi amigo that's your brain is full of holes.
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The reason that Locke was given the name Bentham was primarily because he needed to travel internationally and using his old passport of John Locke would have raised a few eyebrows since I'm pretty sure it's not standard practice for dead people to use passports. Again, that doesn't exactly explain why they were referring to him as Bentham, but at least explains why he took up the moniker in the first place.
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JACOB
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Excellent work.
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Like in chronicles of Narnia, it seems they finally find out that there's two Narnia worlds, both the same, except one on which past dead people are alive.
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But Sun is not. She must be the woman who took the canoe with Lapidus to the other Island.
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After reviewing the scene in which Ben states Charlotte was born in 1979 he also says she was born in Essex England. So it's possible that that information was bunk considering she was on the island at an early age. Although they said they had births on the "mainland" so maybe she was born in Essex. If it was bunk she certainly didn't refute it at the time. Who the fuck knows?
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Locke was admitted to the hospital under the name Jeremy Bentham. Jack finds Locke, has the discussion we saw last week, and everyone seems to think that's the end of it.
People are so fond of saying/asking why don't they do things or ask things a normal person would do. So let me ask you.
You've been off a "magical" island for 3 years - undercover to protect the ones you left behind. All of a sudden, a crazy man that could blow that cover is on your doorstep...or hospital bed as the case may be. You argue thinking he's still nuts and after you leave his bed realize he could blow your cover. What would you do?
If it was me, a mostly/somewhat normal person, I'd find/call the other O6 and talk to them. "We have to protect our story...our friends. He's going under the name Jeremy Bentham now, so if he says he's John Locke, we say he's crazy. And people will know him as Bentham if we stick to our story...cause as far as anyone knows, he is."
See, you think you've seen everything that happened, but maybe you haven't......maybe......or not. -
Heres one of many many plot points that never got addressed. Can you ask what this meant and if we will get an answer?
A.) When the lockdown happened in the Swan and Locke was trapped, he sent Ben through the ducts to push the button and enter the numbers. With ben on the other side of the door, the countdown stops, the clock resets, the blast door opens, But Ben tells locke that he NEVER entered the numbers nor pushed the button - that the countdown and the numbers mean nothing. However, we know that is a lie, as when you dont enter the numbers the swam imploded. What would have Bens reasoning to make Locke loose faith knowing the event of the purple sky would happen. Dont the others know what the Swan is after they killed the Dharma purge? Wouldnt they keep track of Desmond in case he got sick or died? - very very idiotic behavior for Ben. This is right up there with why the Others felt the need to put on makeup and tattered clothes in early meetings with our heroes or if that was really Walt and how he would be able to remote chat with his dad in the swan.
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I have a list of about 2 dozen questions just like that they they added and seemingly dropped. Room 23? Pneumatic tubes to nowhere? Fake Dharma camps complete with doors into rock cliffs? Testing being done on Walt? Why would you build a hatch at the end of the Swan with a broken ladder up a shaft with a welded door that says "Quarantine" and have a backdoor at the other end that simply opens into the jungle with a few turns of the wrist! Oh, Lost. The "Porcupine" writing that gets fatter but not longer. -
You said:"Like i said, the timeline in SEASON ONE where jin, sawyer and Micheal see the foot they're on an island in the future?"p>Dude... they saw the 4-toed foot statue remnant in the season finale of SEASON TWO.http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Live_Together%2C_Die_Alone
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In Logan's Run, the ankh was "the symbol for a group that is running an underground railroad assisting Runners who are trying to reach a place of safety, known as Sanctuary."
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I think sun and Lapidus are in the future. This will delay sun and Jin's reunion nicely for dramatic effect. Sayid I'm not sure about. I tend to think he's in 77 because I don't see Ilana letting him out of her sight since he wasi nher custody. I could be wrong about that. I definitely don't think the islands are in two different times since the future canoes from the Hydra end up in the future flash on the main island.
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assertion that he stopped watching the show and yet still reads second hand synopsis because he has a "natural curiosity about the show" is contradictory, bizzare beyond reason and I don't buy it for a second. He either A. watches the show and goes to boards to spout trolling nonsense, or B. reads sysnopsis as fuel for the sole purpose of going to boards to spout trolling nonsense. Either way, it's sad. But hey, it's a free country brother.. troll it up!
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Ilana and ceasar are working for Ben
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I love his theories even if they are sometimes out there. In his LaFleur recap he talks about how S2 and S5 are mirroring each other somewhat. the same for S3 and S4. Now he proposes S6 will mirror S1 with the the show basically rebooting S1 with the characaters we have left going through the same or similar events but through an altered timeline. Probably won't happnen but the dude needs to write a tv show.
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any specific Lostie. I don't get the fascination everyone has of seeing Sawyer or Juliette's face on the statue. Why can't it just be symbolic for an ancient culture or something along those lines?
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...Goodwin Stanhope. I can see it. We would be about the right age. And it would be double whammy that Juliet both delivered him and had an affair with him.
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This has been mindboggingly uninteresting television. I miss LOST. The show I fell in love with.
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I'm thinking of a Stargate type explanation. It's not that it's Egyptian. It's that the statue comes from wherever, or whenever, the Egyptians got their ideas from. You know, like, aliens.
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Sounds like what Rowlings did with Harry Potter. 1 mirrored 7, 6 mirrored 2 and 3 mirrored 5.
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The baby was born in 77 so it would have to be 27 in 2004 sans any time tricks. Goodwin looks older than that to me.
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Ben didn't decide to kill Locke until Locke mentioned Eloise Hawking. You could see it in the look on Ben's face. It was spontaneous, not pre-meditated.
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That makes sense. I didn't like season 2 very much and last night's episode seemed very much like those first Ana Lucia vs. Sawyer episodes in tone. I rewatched it last night to see if it got better if I saw it as a "long con". But even that way the episode was really boring, imo. I also realize now that I probably should have stopped watching a long time ago. This show seems to be for those who got into the whole Benry/Others thing and I'm still waiting for Walt to be a regular again. I is dumb.
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Crud your right. My math was off. I wonder if the baby could be Danny Pickett? Juliet responsible for his birth and death? Age still would be a little off, plus he didn't look much like his parents.
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Jensen compared LaFleur to Collision which was an Ana Lucia episdoe so good call there. Yeah Season 2 is underrated in my opinion (at least in term of island events) so that may partially explain why I loved last night's.
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Who cares? Really? I was more annoyed with how the show again had Ben steal Locke's thunder than with the whole Bentham thing. We didn't hear it constantly because it was something we already knew. And Jack was high as fuck when he talked to Ben, he only really stopped being high as fuck when he was close to getting back to The Island.
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ANDO bitches! I want more Ando.
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The baby is probably Ethan. Doesn't fit in remotely with the fact that he's mid thirties in 2004, but they can always use the 'Island works in mysterious ways' logic. Or perhaps Ethan spends ten years travelling through time.
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Remember in the "off-season" when someone (probably Jensen) said when Claire told Kate not the bring him back...don't you dare bring him back wasn't referring to Aaron, but instead was referring to Ben or Locke?
So if that was a red herring, couldn't the little red-headed girl not be Charlotte? In fact, Horace's baby mama has red curly hair.
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Mar 05, 2009 1:39:28 PM CST
interesting that Ben kidnapped Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley
by turketron
And these characters are now stuck in the 70's, and can potentially run into young ben... and we know Ben's infatuation with Juliette, and it makes you think about other interactions that he has had with the rest of the characters that have been stuck in the past. Except... for Jin. I don't remember Ben ever interacting with him much over the course of the show.
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It probably doesn't mean shit other than "babies could still be born on the Island in 1977". I think all this speculation as to who the baby is is pointless and detracts from where the real conversations should be.
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So unless Charlotte's a hermaphrodite.
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Nope. Why? Because Horace is the Father. Not some average schmuck. So the baby has some meaning to the mythology. Perhaps the last kid born and concieved on The Island.
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Yeah it reminds me of last season in The Other Woman when Harper tells Juliet Ben is obsessed because she "looks just like her." Maybe the "her" is actually Julei from the past. That would be hilarious.
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The artist guy who abandons Claire. Though I agree, I don't think it will be anyone important... or and if it is it could be someone who we haven't met yet on the show.
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You know, the one that made Anthony Cooper "appear". I like to believe it also would get miles his 3.2 million and made Edmund burk get hit by a bus.
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Considering we know that time passes differently on and off the island, as well as the ability to actually travel through time, the baby could realistically be any male on the show whose birth wasn't previously televised.
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I agree it's probably not significant but it would be good fun to namecheck a familar Other for the fans.
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In which they decide to stay. or rather, in which Sawyer GETS them to stay.
How ? Probably a con that gets Sawyer made head of Security. Though they could naturally just fit into Dharma I suppose and Horace lets em stay but I think there's more to it than that. -
WRONG series. I should be hung by my balls for that slip up.
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Sawyer was made Head of Security because he helped end a potentially bad situation. I'm sure Jin, Juliet and Miles will get their own flashbacks describing how they got their jobs.
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But maybe the baby could be Jacob. That would at least explain why he occupies the cabin. Maybe being the last baby able to be born on the island. Small bit of evidence, but not much. I still vote for the baby being no one special.
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Just look at the guy! He's got the spiky hair and the bug-eyes... If they need another young Ben sequence, you've GOT to cast that guy. As long as he can act like a cold-hearted manipulative bastard... oh wait, there was that one Claire episode...
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We haven't all forgotten of the magic box. There are ranging theories here. We've seen Faraday's notes with graphs showing "imaginary space." First season showed Kate running out of an MRI room that said Magnetic Resonance Imagining. We see the 06 return only when Jack truly believes in it after reading Locke's letter, and wakes up on the island with "I wish.." in his hand. Could it be that certain people can wish for things and they come true but at the same time anything that is wished for must also have a rational reason for getting there. Example, Walt imagined the polar bear into existence, but the polar bear couldn't simply "appear." History had to bring them there logically, dharma initiative and all that. But before someone says the polar bear was there before Walt wished it, therefore he really didn't make it appear, who's to say it isn't both? Reasurting the duality of science and faith.
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At the funeral parlor, Ben met Jack for the first time since either have been off the island. He said they had to go back, they had to bring locke, and he could get them back. Why did he wait almost 3 years to do this? Why not sooner? What changed? What changed is that Ben had no idea how to get back, not until he talked to Eloise Hawking. He didn't know who she was or at least that he ought to talk to her, or maybe where to find her. But Locke told Ben specifically that Eloise was the woman to see who could tell them how to get back to the island. Once Locke told him this, Locke was no longer necessary. So he killed him.
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Won't work. Ben's born in the early 60s. Emerson played him in 1992. Ben couldn't have been much older than thirty. Hiring someone else to play him at 20 is a bit of a leap. Just cast Emerson and have him play skittish.
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Slight snag - Ben seemed scared of Eloise. Why would he be scared if he had the trump card?
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But I think it is key to why the island is so special. Ben said it was somewhere on the island. We know it's not technically a box, but I imagine it as a place. Maybe it is the temple and that is why Smokie has to protect it. Or maybe it is the secret room in Ben's house where he called the Smoke Monster, he was using the "box"
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I don't know if he seeme scared, he seemed impressed or maybe apprehensive around her. Which fits with what I'm saying. If Eloise was his only ticket back, then he would be apprehensive about his dealings with her going smoothly. Piss her off, and he'll never get back.
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I guess my major complaint is that 505 suggested Locke made a sacrifice (his life) to protect everything... then in 507 gets bullied into contemplating suicide... then saved... and then Ben kills him. Just makes Locke look like a little bitch.
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He seems horrified when she says '70 hours.' That entire exchange implies that he's known her for a while, so I don't get how him hearing her name makes him kill Locke.
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For The Island. It gave Charlie back his guitar when he ditched drugs (107); it gave Locke the ability to walk (104); it cured Rose's cancer (219); it repaired Jin & Sun's marriage... it's a place where miracles happen, where you can conquer your demons. The Island brought Anthony Cooper there so that both Sawyer and Locke could get over that aspect of their past. Heck, ever since Sawyer's been the one character to actually redeem himself.
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The Berbers/Numidians/Libyans... are a culture that is separate from that of the Egyptians. Those are 3 names given by the Arabs/Romans/Egyptians, to the people that lived in what is now known as Tunisia.
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I think he's horrified because he knows that isn't enough time to get them all together. I don't think the exchange implies he's known her for a while. Although, they have definitely met before, in the implied scene between Locke's murder and Ben's encounter with Jack. At the least, You could assume that although they had not met before Locke's murder, Ben still knows "of" her, not by name, but what she is.
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Whatever this "imaginary" stuff leads to, the temple seems like a fitting source. Sounds like it'll come about in season six. Those sorts of ideas, mixed with time travel, would be too much at the same time. Viewers' minds would explode.
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The Great White Hunter & Chosen One vs. the pitiful old man who gets manipulated and conned all the time.
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Obviously we have a history major and not a math major writing here :)
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I think it is sort of a metaphor, and the miracles happening on the island have to do with the magic box. But I also think there is a place on the island where you can directly, manually make certain things happen.
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Last season we saw Horace in a time-loop telling Locke, as he was cutting down a tree, that he was building a cabin for his wife and son. We know Jacob resides in that cabin. To use a math formula, if A=B, and B=C, then A must equal C. IE, Baby=Jacob.Anyone have theories on why that CANT be true?
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Where did he get the dynamite?
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I agree it's possible but so far Jacob has appeared as old geezers. But those are stand-ins for something else entirely.
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He wasn't made Head of Security by Horace OR even allowed to stay Horacerewarded his help with 2 weeks to search for his "crewmates".
And since Sawyer says to Julia "just give me 2 weeks" it makes me think he's forming a plan to make that 2 weeks permanent. It's a bit of a jump from giving Sawyer 2 weeks till the next Sub to making him the HEAD of Security so I tend to think it's got to be addressed myself.
On an unrelated note I'm beginning to think Ben's father WASN'T his father. Hence all the resentment against Ben. Now, wouldn't it be cool if Locke finally begins to be the badass the series hints he can be and makes a journey that ends up with Locke finding the "truth" about Bens Father and turning the tables on him completely ?
Idle speculation but considering how pivotal Locke is to the show he REALLY needs to start becoming an intelligent couragous Leader who can outsmart both Ben and Widmore.
Locke hit Rock bottom with his suicide attempt so I'm assuming he will now become a driving force again.
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Nice. Yeah him not knowing about the BR was bullshit. I sensed he was lying about that.
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To become the leader of the others Ben made his sacrifice I think by killing his father, which Locke couldn't do when he was in the same situation, so maybe he had to sacrifice himself by getting killed, not by committing suicide (which is a sin)so we may assume he now can take the job. Another thing
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Ben said that Charlotte was born July 2, 1979, but in the same breath I believe that he also said that she was born in England, which we know that she wasn't born in England, which would also negate July 2, 1979 as her birthdate. Ether Ben was lting or misinformed. So its not a glitch on the writers part.
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Its all about setting the record straight on the Hebrews as slaves thing.
Yes, the Hebrews were slaves in egypt... but before they were slaves they were conquerors.
They conquered the northern Egyptians, then they got absorbed by the egyptian culture instead of the other way around.
Frankly, they probably liked the egyptian way of life better and decided to adopt the culture.
But that allowed the rest of the egyptians to slowly build a powerful enough army to subdue them and take back their land.
Eventually leading to the Hebrews being in captivity.
This whole show is exploring that belief, and exploring how those things continue to repeat themselves not only on the island, but in the real world as well.
Its real powerful commentary on our world.
And these people who came to egypt... they were a mixture of Canaanites and Minoans. And they came in ships.
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That's the question I would put as even Sawyer has shown he is a "Leader of men" yet Locke has been on a downward spiral for a while and instead of Lost TELLING us he's special constantly how about Lost SHOWING us he's special a bit more often now ?
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During that scene did anyone else get a flash in your mind of when Juilet first came to the island and Ben kept telling her jsut a little bit longer and then you can leave? Sawyer kind of did the same thing, but with better intentions.
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I starting to like that idea now over my initial thought of the baby being Desmond. Kudos to whoever thought that one up first.
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Charlotte disappeared because she cant be in the same place as her toddler self.
When she was dying in the earlier episodes and was having memories of Daniel... those memories are from her mind melding with that of the little red haired girl we just saw this episode. The signals were getting crossed from one mind in time to another mind in time. Charlotte had virtually gone back in time within her own mind back to when she was a child.
And thats because realities were changed due to the time skipping.
And every time someone changes the past in some way, the mind of the people in the future course corrects. Their mind updates, they have visions/dreams/flashbacks... thats how the mind processes the new information that you now believe you have known all along because its just as true as any other memory you might have.
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A key point was Faraday (who has reverted back to his pre-time skipping wackiness) saying that "the record is no longer spinning, we are just on a different song"... something like that.
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That would be something!
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Yes, this is JJ Abrams "Narnia"... but for a modern world, and for adults.
Its just a lot less heavy handed with the religious imagery, but its center is in the ancient history of his Jewish people and the birth of their religion.
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Possibly observing him ala Richard from The Flame. Remember, "But you John Locke, you I might have a fleeting memory of, but I must be confused, because the John Locke I know was paral— "
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Horace gets to kill him.
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I addressed that above. How do we know she wasn't born in England? she only said shee grew up on the island.
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by saying Charlotte was born in england in 1979, because he might talk about a symbolic birth (rebirth)
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She didn't exactly. Daniel jumped with the flash, but Charlotte's body stayed behind because she was dead and dead bodies don't time jump. Kind of reminds me of Miles' descriptions of Naomi's dead body where he regarded it as nothing more than a husk.
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Interesting theory to be sure, but I don't buy the whole "the center of LOST is retelling the ancient history of the Jews".
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episdoe 5.15 ths seaso nis title "Follw the Leader." Perhaps this will be when Locke finally gets his shit together.
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that now it is the others that are routinely being routinely FREAKED OUT by the time traveling losties when in the earlier seasons it was the losties ducking for cover in the bushes shitting themselves. I absolutely love how the tables are turned!
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They killed him because he fell in love with one of the enemy. He was probably supposed to be a sleeper agent, but he ended up falling in love with Amy.
There is a bit of the Romeo and Juliet angle there.
That is why they wanted his body.
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Talking about the biblical Paul... some believe Paul was a double agent or a traitor of some sorts.
He was originally a killer of christians and jews who then said he had a vision of god and switched sides to be the guy who pushed the remaining disciples into codifying Jesus teachings and eventually leading to what we know as the catholic church.
The belief is that he really didnt repent and switch sides, but was a sleeper agent sent in by the Romans in order to change early christianity into something palatable by the masses by infusing it with the pagan practices of the empire.
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I think (hope) that in the end we will find that many things, the omniscence of certain characters in particular, will be explained by the fact that the characters traveled to the past. But the writers have to stick to the whole "you cant change the past"rule. Otherwise, we will end up with a lameass star trek terminator time paradox clusterfuck. There is not paradox, whatever happened happened, and what we should be left with is a complex, but consistend web of causation. Id rather believe that the memories that come to Charlotte and Desmond were there all along, but were repressed or blocked for some reason and then released due to traumas.
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The creators have tipped their hands. They thought no one would notice or remember. We are headed toward a full fledged "Herman's Head" reunion. The whole island is where Herman's In-Heads reside. And Yeardley Smith is the Final Cylon.
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The Quenya name for Númenor is Atalantë (not Atlantie). cheers
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alpert appeared in the 'future' in his raggedy garb and in the past in his clean cut look becasue, like our own losties- something happened in his past (a turning of the donkey wheel by someone...Hando?..when alpert was a an early castaway on the island himself. he skipped to the future, but was dressed in rags. at some point the donkey wheel was rectified by someone and alpert was put in the past and continued to live going forward. i still think that he drank from the WELL when it had water in it (and the water would have had the same mystic power as the donkey wheel element submerged in it) becoming immortal (fountain of youth, anyone?), skipped around for a bit and ended up in the far past. he's probably been on the island longer than anyone. but all i want to know is how he keeps getting on and of the island with ease, and how someone who should probably know more experience than anyone, acts so dumb and unaware of the big picture.
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Has anyone said this yet? I reckon the two of them, and the few remaining Oceanic survivors are in the 1970s but end up living with the Others. Because obviously they would all travel with the flashes as well, and where else would they be for three years? On the beach having swingers parties??
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Two of the most useless characters on the show.
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Mar 05, 2009 4:12:17 PM CST
Was there ice around the Donkey Wheel when Locke was there?
by turketron
Does anyone remember whether it was an icy environment when Locke was down there with the wheel, as it was when Ben was turning it? So weird that the shit was icy in the first place...
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If they penetrated the wall, the entire island would implode.
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As others alluded to above, it is fun seeing 'our' characters finally have an upper hand (or at least equal footing) when dealing with others (generic others and Others).
Locke flummoxing Richard, then Sawyer. There was a great British series "Yes, Minister"/"Yes, Prime Minister" where one character manipulates everyone for most of the series. It's only near the end that the others start to get control of the situation and turn the tables on him. And it was very entertaining. It would be very fun to see someone completely own Ben. -
He always has these dudes from the future coming up to him!
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I still want to know what's up with his seeming all-knowingness when he was taking the bullet out of John's leg during the island time hoppage... How did he get that inside info? Jacob? Hope they explain that one.
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But maybe, thinking about it, we have an answer of sorts about Richard. That is, he does NOT seem to stay the same age by traveling in time and is in fact 'immortal'. If he traveled in time, and to the future as well as the past, it would seem that he wouldn't be surprised by Locke walking into his camp or would know who Sawyer was.
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Mar 05, 2009 4:37:27 PM CST
But those Alperts were seeing are not the same Alpert
by lockesbrokenleg
Alpert didn't even know about Ben, the others, etc, in the fifties. So, he would be surprised that Locke knew about him, and Widemore.
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I'm with most, in that I see at least 3 viable passibilities that wouldn't go "too far." Horace's son's age is affected by Island-time (allowing him to be any of around 20 different characters), this "important" baby will shown to have been on flight 815--- but will be shown to have died in the initial crash scene, or the character is someone we've yet to see--- but will be important next season. I'm mainly leaning on #3, but recognize the writing structure of the show is such that "Darlton" has not yet committed to any of scenarios we've offered. In fact, they may be thinking we should simply take solace in hearing Sawyer reference to Alpert's eye liner (a clear wink and Internet fans).
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For some reason I remembered Atalante ending with the same suffix as "Numarie". When I read The Silmarillion I really got into trying to read and pronounce the Elvish correctly.
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That's how he was able to land on Hydra Island without a scratch.
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Well our proof was shown last night. We saw her as a child on the island in 1977. That child looked about 4. So as I said my guess is that Ben was ether totally lying which is something that he does quite often or her Mother covered it up so well that even the Others who were gathering information couldn't figure it out.
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Daily, no disrespect intended but anyone who claims that Paul's teachings influenced the Catholic Church in any way is incredibly ignorant of Paul's teachings. I don't know where you found that information but if you read all of Paul's Epistles you'll see that everything he wrote along with everything written about Jesus and the epistles of all the other Apostles as well teach the exact opposite of what we know as Catholicism. The only thing in the New Testament that even closely resembles Catholicism is in the Book of Revelation. The entire book of Romans is dedicated to the complete opposition of salvation by works which is one of the cornerstones of the Church of Rome. All of Paul's letters insist on the Sacrfice of Christ being a 'once for al' sacrifice' which is a stark denial of the Roman Mass. Please don'tput information out there if you don't know the truth, don;t repeat some rhetoric you heard from a publicity seeking shock tactic historian. Sorry bout the sidebat, love me some Lost.
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im pretty sure that blue jeep sawyer was driving at the end isnt from the 70's at least the model he was driving
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Ben said that Carlotte was born in England because Charlotte was born in England. Her mother and father probably brought her to the Island with Dharma after she was born. Go back and look at Charlotte's face when Ben's laying her life out in front of her, if he would have made a mistake, she would have corrected him
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... that makes sense. We've seen the files that the Others have compiled and, considering what we know of the dynamics of the struggle to control Island, it would make sense that the mother would protect her child. You got me wondering about something that I hope other AICN posters can answer, though. Are members of the Dharma Initiative (circa 1974) "allowed" to leave the Island?
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Horace said Sawyer and his team could leave, but I bet the Sub is just a way to make the leaving the island seem "normal". But, Juliet was drugged.
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Actually The Apostle Paul wrote about the importance of both Faith AND Works "Faith without works is dead". So your both correct.
As for Charlotte, this is what Lostpedia says.
Charlotte Staples Lewis was an incredibly gifted cultural anthropologist, who grew up on the Island with her family during the Dharma Initiative's timeline. She eventually escaped with just her mother, leaving her dad (and possibly two younger sisters) behind. She spent the rest of her life trying to find the Island again. This was mostly due to her mother's insistence that she had made it all up, and for a chance to find her dad. She then finally parachuted back onto the Island on day 91, as part of the Freighter Science Team. She arrived at the beach camp with Daniel (whom she shared feelings for, although it is not clear what the extent of their relationship had become before they landed on the island), where her presence caused some minor problems with the survivors due to her secrecy and dishonesty about their mission while on the Island. Due to the increasingly rapid time travel of the Island, Charlotte's consciousness became unstuck in time. She survived on the Island for 16 days before a fatal brain aneurysm, caused by her drifting consciousness, led to her death. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlotte -
It hasn't been stated wither they could come & go. I would think that since Horace was so quick to let Sawyer & group leave that he wasn't worried about keeping the island a secret. Although maybe he was planning on giving them all some time in Room 23 before they left?
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I don't know if this has been mentioned, but when they approached the sonic fence why didn't Juilet double check the control switch herself just in case Amy who was a stranger wanted to double cross them? Juliet was an Other and knew the passcodes.
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Refresh my memory: what is Room 23?
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That's why the fence didn't bother him!
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OR . . .how come Amy didn't hit the button that calls the phone? The same way Ben was alerted the Freighter marines were coming.As for why Juliet didn't double check, she didn't want to blow her cover, and after the chick passed through unharmed, Juliet figured it was all good.
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Ahhh... Batmanuel. Genius!
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the sonic fence because it would have clearly establish that she knew how it works and so put doubt in amy's mind, moreover her yelling at Faraday almost blast the cover they tried to set, as Sawyer decided.
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Not from one of Paul's epistles.
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Fuckin amateurs
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It was James who said that faith without works is dead, and if you read the context of James 2:17 in the entire chapter, you'd realize that he is still operating on a platform of salvation and justification by faith alone. Paul ONLY spoke of faith saying "I do not set aside the grace of God. For if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" How did Paul say we obtained grace? "For it is by grace you have been saved - through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not by works, so that none may boast." Catholicsm teaches that sacraments and works merit the grace of God. Grace by its very defintion is cannot possibly be merited. As far as Charlotte, we know she grew up on the Island, what I'm saying is that when Ben ticked off all of her life's accomplishments and secrets like reading off a grocery list, she was stunned by how much he knew. It would stand to reason that she knew she had been born off island and was brought there when she was very young. Otheriwse, she surely would have corrected him. Right?
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Just took over a half hour of my life to read all those posts! Great Episode last night.
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Eldawg... I don't think the fence is yet linked-into the phone lines at what is "now" the Dharma compound. Obviously, the Others acquired an electrician over the last 30 years. Pa... I also think she was concerned about revealing too much--- and likely assumed that the non-Other passcode was different, anyway. Thanks for the reply regarding the sub, by the way. Speaking of Room 23, a friend told me that she thinks Locke & crew are on the second Island where Room 23 is. If true, this may explain a little about Sun and the pilot, among other things...
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the one scene that bothered me from last night was the sonic fence scene. I yelled at the TV "don't cross all at once - it's a trap!" but of course, for plot's sake, out heroes all cross the fence line together, rather than individually. So why does Horace drag them all into the compound, rather than leave them behind? Pure curiosity? And seriously - just earplugs? Why not just stick your fingers in your ears, yell "NAH NAH NAH, I'M NOT LISTENING!" and run through? That was a rather lame scene in an otherwise great episode, but we buy it to advance the drama.
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Where dissenting Others were brainwashed. Someone upthread asked what is was.
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Yes, she had ear plugs, but also watch how she walks across the barrier, sticking close to the pillar and walking directly behind it. I thought it was strange when she did it, but no one called her on it.
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Don't have a clue whats happening anymore. But I love it!! And lets be honest. I think 90% of us all have the same opinion. The other 10% think they have a clue. But thats ok also. Kudos to the writers. You are doing an amazing job!
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Just re-watching the episode and when Amy is to deliver the obstetrician tells Sawyer that the women use to deliver on the mainland and she was to go by sub the day after, so Charlotte might have been born off island. Still the date doesn't fit, but like I said before, Ben perhaps was talking of a symbolic birth, and Charlotte didn't correct him because she knows she have been on the island but maybe does not get a clue of her place of birth since her mother ever told her the island did not exists.
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ankh!
Ankh ankh ankh!!!
which is an anagram for Khan, who was responsible for both decreeing the construction of a pleasuredome and for coming THIS close to taking out James T. Kirk .... in the FUTURE
Also -- an anagram for Pleasuredome is Epolduesrap, which in Aramaic translates into "chilled bacterial milk drink", or .... FROGHURT
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Charlotte knew she lived on the island, but she does not know if she was delivered on it, add to this the negation of her mother considering that fuckin' island and you can understand she didn't correct Ben.
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get a quick look at previous posts, the question of ankhs has been widely discussed.
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I don't want to carry this on further since this is a Lost talkback so I'll agree to disagree on the the FULL context of that chapter in James. But I will agree that as it was twice pointed out that I was wrong about that exact faith/works scripture being from Paul. Thanks for reminding me.
As for Charlotte she didn't answer back or dispute it because it was the same thing as the OC6's lie. She was allowing him to ether still believe his information or his lie. She didn't want the rest of the group at that time to know that she was originally from the island. The time that she was really taken aback was when Miles called her on being from the island and returning. -
I kinda forgot this.
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Thanks for your reply to my theories. Forgive me if I'm wrong (History is not my strong point) but, after checking Wikipedia, doesn't the Egyptian culture pre-date both the Arab culture and the Roman culture by many thousands of years? Thus, it could be possible that the Island's inhabitant's arrived in Tunisia locale (wasn't called Tunisia back then) about 4000 BC and went on to "father" Egyptian mythos?
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The name Jack is derived from Jacob. It is possible that Jacob is Jack from the 1970s directing the "present" day John etc.
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in the 60s and joined the Dharma Intuitive?! Love that actor, hope they use him more. His work on Mad Men was great!
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Or maybe Jack is from direct lineage of Jacob.
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when walt was talking to hurley last year, was he even real? I thought it was just one of those imaginary people that hurley was seeing, like Charly, or when he thought Locke was dead. I don't remember shit tho.
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Otherwise John and Abaddon wouldn't have seen him.
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crazy right?
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isn't "Jack" just a nickname for "John"? Like Jack Kennedy. Maybe Jack's birthname is actually John.
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You know, it does look exactly like Jar Jar from the back. And I think I've heard Damon Lindelof refer to Jar Jar on one of the podcasts. Oh dear Lord, they're on freakin' Naboo!!!
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Jack Nicholson
Jack White
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Jack Black
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Jack is "very rarely associated with the name Jacob" among English speakers "(in which case the usual shortened form Jake is preferred)."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_(name)
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You could be correct. I have been arguing the whole Charlotte born on the island to show that possibly the date that Ben gave was wrong and that Darlton didn't mess up with continuity. I am really tired of people jumping on the Darlton got it wrong bandwagon. Just watch the show and enjoy it.
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I've got a feeling I'm going to watch Season One, watch the last 10 minutes of Season 3 "We've got to go back", watch "The Constant" and watch Season Six, skipping everything in between. Ok, maybe I'll watch Sayid snap that dude's neck. But none of the other stuff felt important dramatically (to me) except to answer some of the mysteries. I like the show now, but I much prefer the intimacy/story arcs of S1. There is no one except for Desmond/Ben/Richard that I'm even interested in anymore. Maybe Locke if he gets cool again. I can pinpoint exactly where I lost interest: Season Two. The Tailies. The button. The Others losing their cool factor. Feeling that the show was going nowhere. The character's arcs/motivations becoming muddled. Like, when has Jack ever lived up to his promise as leader since Season One? Or Locke? I'm not the writer of the show and they have created fascinating characters and made bold choices but I just need to vent and say I wish I was more invested in the characters. Right now, I just care about the mysteries.
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...that website, ThEmIsFiTiShErE blog. He's like the anti-mIsFiT. The incoherent and arrogant rambling is very similar, only Sicky is con, while the mIsFiT is pro. Also, I'm pretty sure the mIsFiT is just a gag, and Sick Fixx I think is serious. I never can tell with that guy though.
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So labyrinthine.
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He has to have some sort of benefactor. He must be living under an assumed identity because he was supposed to have died on Oceanic 815
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Jacob is derived from the Hebrew "John" and is the French form of that name. So Jack, is John or Jacob. So, John Locke could be Jacob, but since Jack is now in the past, I'm thinking Jacob is Jack.
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a hilarious joke, I think, but it's funny when people post on there and take him seriously! He makes me laugh till milk comes out my nose.
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because I share "some" of his sentiments, but he is so livid that he chooses to berate other Lost fans and otherwise engage in trollish, loser behavior that boils down to "you are stupid for liking this show". You are a loser, not because you post on AICN (although that may be my reason) but because you can't get over how the writers of this show maligned you. And this is coming after my last post! That's saying something. Get over it. I understand passions can run high for us nerds over the shows/movies we watch, but c'mon. Why do you feel the need to make everyone else feel stupid for watching the show? You're articulate so give me a reason man! Or I'll just think you're a loser. And I know that will really upset you.
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Actually Walt is living with Michael's Mother. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Walt
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Paul's necklace is of an Ankh, a popular Egyptian symbol for fertility and eternal life. The giant statue also seems to carry an Ankh in each hand.
The Other shot by Sawyer had a horseshoe tattoo on his upper right arm. This tattoo is popular with sailors, and horseshoes have also been considered a symbol of female fertility. The open ended side of the horseshoe represents the open womb of the woman. -
Also, Claire and Jack's father were in the cabin looking quite content being together with Jacob (maybe Jack). Anyway, its just a thought, there are holes in my "theory."
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and in my grammar
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Mar 05, 2009 8:57:43 PM CST
I think you can watch this season first, then season 1
by lockesbrokenleg
Then Season 3 and 4.
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All coming together for Mr Alpert in terms of origin etc.
I love Egyptian Mythology (which is kind of interesting coming from an atheist).
For anyone who hasn't visited Egypt, definetely put in on your must see list. The lack of rain fall in that country has helped to really preserve the ancient monuments very well. The Pyramids of Giza and the twin temples of Abu Simbel are absolutely incredible. -
P.S. Are you still broken?
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I think as a few others have commented we will never get a answer of how the island came to be.
It will simply be a place on Earth that has always been there with its pocket of exotic energy, due to this has been visited, lived on by many cultures throughout history and has had many different names, i.e. Atlantis, Garden of Eden etc.
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In fact, we should give the island a name. I vote for Bubba
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Mar 05, 2009 9:23:58 PM CST
Bubba reminds me of a guy whose cell you dont want to share
by miyamoto_musashi
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of a guy whose cell we do want to share...
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Not a guy, but would like to be sharing a cell with her.
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And she just PARADES around in her underwear, showing off camel toe to whomever happens to BE watching! She'd make your prison life hell
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Wow...Amazing episode. It's been picked apart pretty good here. Just some random theories/questions I have after watching.
First off...The Ajira crew are in "present time"...well...2007 if you are keeping score. The last time Sawyer, Juliette, Daniel & Co went back to the beach camp and found the outrigger, their camp was in severe disrepair...as in...3 years of neglect. So, that time jump actually took them into the future, where they found and stole Sun & Lapidus's outrigger with the Ajira water bottle in it.
So...Just so we're all clear...
Ajira Clan Losties = 2007
The 0-3 (Jack, Kate, Sawyer), Dharma Losties = 1977.
Man...Sawyer is gonna have a hard time not slipping in "Star Wars" references! Can you see Horace looking at him blankly when he calls him "C3P0"?
Ok...that said...Good call on the "magic box" a few posts back. I have a feeling the 0-3 (J,K & H) will eventually have to reunite IN THE SAME TIME with Locke, Sun & Sayid on the island. I think the mechanism for them to do this will be the 'magic box'. Some might say the FDW...but I think that device has run it's course...at least until the SERIES finale.
I also think Juliette's 'cover' will get busted when one of the 1977 Others (Hostiles) will spot her 'mark' she was branded with from "Stranger in a Strange Land".
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Julietmark.jpg
The question becomes...How the fuck does Desmond turn up on the island in 1977? I mean...he missed the Ajira flight...which didn't even get him to the 2007 Hydra Island time...so How does HE end up in a Dharma jumpsuit again? He goes back to Eloise to plead for her forgiveness? But still...How does she pull off the 1977 trick?
So...they jumped back far enough in time to see the back side of the 4 Toed Statue before jumping to 1974. So...we know it once was 80 feet tall...What happened to it in just 30 years to reduce it to just one 'digitally deficeint' foot?
Awwww...Juliette & Sawyer...Sittin in a tree...K-I-S-S-I-N-G. Poor Juliette...startin to think SHE will be the one to perish so the love 'quadrangle' gets dismantled. She shoulda taken that sub ride to Tahiti when she had the chance. There's no way they will finish this thing with James Ford being "the happily married, mild mannered family man".
"Did you bury Jugghead?"...The bomb is brought up again...Very Hitchcock...that bomb will start ticking in Season 6...crating the mother of all 'flashes'...time...electromagnetic...or otherwise.
I'm officially BUMMED about the serious lack of Vincent on LOST this season. That dog BETTER make an appearance next week...or I'm sending a vulgarity laced letter to Darlton via Variety Magazine.
Welp...Headin back to Daytona tomorrow for the weekend...Back on Sunday.
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Go back to the beach!!!
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The 4 Toed Statue could have been reduced to just a foot by 1974...forgot...they saw it...THEN jumped to 1974. There's no tellin how far back they jumped when it was still entact.
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Hopefully he is chillin with Rose and Bernard.
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They fucking suck! Who gives a shit?
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Mar 05, 2009 10:29:17 PM CST
Lockesbrokenleg tell us what you really think about R&B ?
by miyamoto_musashi
You are being pretty coy and subtle.
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The Hostiles and the '70's Dharma folk had an uneasy truce...which got thrown out the window with the The Great Purge of '92...in which the Hostiles took over control of the island. There was a war coming...and the Hostiles won.
Widmore also told Locke 'there's a war coming, John'...Was Widdy talking about a 2007, present day War? Or the 1992 war when the Purge actually happened? Is Widdy trying to change the outcome of the Purge...or is he warning Locke of an all NEW threat? -
Mar 05, 2009 10:34:05 PM CST
Popular Mechanics: Lost Fact vs Fiction: Is the Sonic Fence on L
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Do you think that by season 6 they will be back in their original time, i.e. 2007-08 or still in the 1970's ?
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Did anyone ask how the heck they get back to the present?
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Jeff Jensen made an article that talks about why no Olivia last night and his explanation about her & Horace http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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Good question. I have to imagine that EVERYONE will have to get back to that 'wounded' Ajira plane to get off the island once and for all....before that 'ticking bomb' I mentioned earlier sinks Craphole Island forever.
So...I'm guessing...the 0-6 (& Ben) will meet up in the 70's...and have to somehow get BACK to 2007. No idea how...FDW, magic box...or the bunny transporter in the Orchid....(Which actually may BE the magic box). -
Eloise Hawking? That just occurred to me.
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At the start of this season we saw Faraday working underground with other Dharma guys to get into the FDW area under the direction of Pierre Chang.
Am guessing they will use it the FDW at the end of this season to get them back to 2007, just in time for the "War" to begin. -
Why the FUCK (my french courtesy of Rousseau) did Sawyer, et al, think the Losties could come back to the year 1974? Wouldn't you just be like, well, "we're screwed, might as well make a time of it?" When Sawyer was all "as long as it takes" why the hell would he have any faith the Oceanic 6 could go back in time and find them? What info did Sawyer have that we aren't privy to? Yes, Locke was going to try and bring them back, but that was before they were stuck in the 70's. What grid were they searching? Ah!!!!
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Sounds like a plan.
LockesLeg...Desmond will return...Penny...ummmmm....not so much.
Not to say Ben was completely successful in keeping his promise to Papa Widmore...but...I think Darlton will leave her 'status' up in the air until the end of the series. -
It is possible that they will just age 30 years and meet up with John etc. in the present.
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Mar 05, 2009 10:55:04 PM CST
Why do all the women who have babies die on this show?
by lockesbrokenleg
Weird.
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That time jumping rogue.
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Man...that whole Ellie might be Eloise thing has been talked about to death. (Hint: She is.)...Also...Sawyer just took John at his word...that he would be back to save them. Juliette tried to tell Sawyer, perhaps all he could do to 'save' them was stop the time skipping...and that he wasn't really going to come back. But the simple fact remains...what were James, Juliette, Miles & Farraday to do? They are in the hands of the island...may as well make the best of it.
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Per Hawking, create the situation as best possible to match the circumstances of the original crash. Even she commented its not an exact science and results would be unpredicatble to some extent. So like when you can't vote at a shareholders meeting, you get someone else to vote for you a "proxy". In the case of the Ajira flight proxies for the original survivors who couldn't be there as well as the circumstances.
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That's quite an existential crisis. Considering their reactions, it doesn't seem likely that's what they had planned. But THAT is a crazy cool idea
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Every week Ben scams someone, then gets the shit beat out of him.
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and I don't have good vision. So basically the proxy business is more or less mumbo jumbo and the Oceanic Six decided to go along with it all because they had been through weird shit before and really needed to go back to the island because they had terrible lives?
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You know, that shit that always scammed him. Oh, and Jin loves Sun. Whatever the fuck that meant.
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The whole kidnapping Jack to do surgery on Ben thing, and everything leading up to it? Am I out of line?
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And that makes alpert Egyptian... Oh Yeah!!! Because Sawyer called him Eyeliner, which was first used by the EGYPTIANS exit hole to wheel is in tunisia which is east of egypt
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Ok...So we saw the statue which from behind looked like an egyptian God. Amy's dead husband's necklace was an Ankh, the egyptian symbol of life...No one has mentioned that Horus is the name of an egyptian God...not to mention egyptian hyrogliphics showed up in season 2 when the 108 minutes was up on "the button".
Oh... and the presence of Dahrma Polar Bear skeletons in tunisa, as well as that being where Ben and Locke popped out when they turned the wheel... could this mean that ancient egyptians either came from the island, or vice versa... ? -
But they needed Jack to operate on Ben, and we did get that cool story where the real Sawyer was on the island.
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Is Ben good, bad, or ugly?
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Favorite murder on the show?
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Is he being written out of the show? P
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The polar bears were being studied by Dharma. Clearly a polar bear spun the frozen donkey wheel to convince his exiled polar bear buddies to return to the island.
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All the proxy stuff was just there to increase the probability the island would accept them back.
Now...WHY they went back? They each have their own reasons...some for love, closure (Sun, Kate), some had no choice (Sayid, Locke)...some because of destiny (Jack, Ben, Lapidus) and some we don't don't know exactly why yet (Hurley).
But some of the 'red shirt' Ajira folk may also have been proxies, too...Ceasar...Ilana...possibly more to come. But I think Miyamoto is right...I wouldn't invest too much into it all. It's not science...it's just one more island mystery.
Sorry about your poor vision...Did you lose an eye at the Arrow station?
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Mar 05, 2009 11:29:15 PM CST
Last shot of the series will be Hurley taking Vincent
by lockesbrokenleg
home to Walt. The End.
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baby is boone
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Im not trying to get into a theological debate here, so lets spare everyone what our personal feelings and interpretations of scripture are.
Although for the record, i believe that Paul served as editor to the other gospels and added his own touches here and there.
I thought i was pretty clear when i began my post by saying "Some people believe", not "I believe", or anything even remotely substantiated as "truth/fact".
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It was a sacrifice the island demanded
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You are NOT alone, Terry. Complete rubbish. But in Darlton's defense...that storyline began BEFORE they firmed up the LOST end date deal with ABC. They were still in stalling & padding mode.
After they got the end date set...Jack got sick, had his appendix removed and healed completely in an episode and a half!
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Mar 05, 2009 11:37:32 PM CST
Ben is neither good nor bad, ugly (will leave the one to the lad
by miyamoto_musashi
he is just self interested.
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Mar 05, 2009 11:37:35 PM CST
Ben is neither good nor bad, ugly (will leave that one to the la
by miyamoto_musashi
he is just self interested.
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Anything is possible when it comes to speculative fiction about history.
But would it make sense to have the major civilization of the area have its first kingdom in the deserts of Libya... or in the fertile banks of the Nile?
Scientific and historical records usually point to these nascent civilizations starting near some potent life giving body of water, namely a river.
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I mean from the Losties point of view.
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They should have stretched that out for an entire season. Flashbacks to the appendix's formation, Jack playing Frisbee in the park with it, etc.
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waiting for another chance to snap a dude's neck with his legs.
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we did all that Egyptian stuff way up there^ somewhere.
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Ah, how times change.
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Sayid was shown in the promo for the episdode in 2 weeks. Not quite sure why theres no episode next week.
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If only for the fact that he murdered his father and like 60 other people in cold blood, ordered the death of Charlie, made two attempts at Locke's life, one of which was successful, ruled over his daughter with an iron grip, and has lied over and over again.
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to make sure a 'game changer' episode lands on April 1st, the last night of the 'February' sweeps period. The Feb sweeps was moved to March due to the DTV transition this year falling in what would normally be the Feb sweeps period.
And...ya have to image that LOST will have a mind bender of an episode ready to go for April Fool's Day. Count on it. -
Jacob is derived from the Hebrew Yacob. John is derived from the Hebrew Yahunatan. Jack is a diminutive of the name John which is itself a diminutive of Johnathan but can also be a given name in it's own right. The standalone name John is derived from the Hebrew Yochanan, which is distinct from Yahunatan, the original Hebrew form of Johnathan. Neither Johnathan nor John have any connection to the name Jacob though. The name James on the other hand IS derived from the name Jacob.
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He keeps claiming he's 'one of the good guys'. So...I don't think we'll know for sure until the end of the series. Will all the shitty things he has done end up justify their means?
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Mar 06, 2009 12:15:26 AM CST
The 60 People killed is definetely from a certain POV
by miyamoto_musashi
Did the US and its Allies (including my country Australia) "liberate" or "invade" Iraq ?
Was the Japanese Empire evil, becuase it did its attempted empire building 200-300 years after the Europeans "colonised" the world?
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I'm sure he thinks he's doing it for the greater good of the island, but he's done some pretty nasty things, like stabbing Keamy to death knowing that the freighter would blow up. I think the writers will be hard pressed to justify all of Ben's actions. Richard doesn't seem like a bad guy, but... Ethan tried to kill Charlie Mikhail was nutso and ALL the hostiles obeyed I'm assuming Jacob's orders to kill all the Dharma people, who we've seen are not bad folks. And don't get me wrong, I think Widmore's just as nasty as Ben. Come to think of it, like 99% of the people on this show are murderers.
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Theres a good one at http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/ about Ben & the Purge. 2nd Post "Lastest from Kristen"
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1. Invade. 2. "Evil." And so were the previous colonialists. But your point is well taken. Personally I think killing is wrong, even if it's justified and necessary, if that makes any sense. I would probably kill someone in self defense but still feel what I did was wrong afterward, the taking of a life.
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Well done. Jacob is derived from the Hebrew Jacob (or Yacob). James is a derived from the Latin and Greek version of Jacob. That is correct. Jacob is the root of Jack, from the French, Jacques. And as others pointed out, Jack is used as an alternative to John in English. So, James (Sawyer), John Locke, or Jack are all candidates for the Jacob in the cabin character. And of course, it may be someone else. Now, I’m thinking James and Jack are better possibilities for the Jacob character since they were both transported to the past and stuck there. And I think Jack, in my mind, wins out because of the Clair and Jack’s father in the cabin whenever, connection. Also, he supposed to be a leader, it says so on his arm, tattoo.
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Mar 06, 2009 1:09:49 AM CST
Sawyer and Sayid's kill count must be quite high by now
by miyamoto_musashi
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He MUST be a Dharma guy!
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YET.
That's because it's the groovy, swingin late '70's. Free love...hippy dippy times.
But...the 1980's are coming. The age of corprate greed and cutthroat business practices.
The Dharma 'folk' have not yet realized the scientific JACKPOT they have hit with the island...It's mysterious electromagnetic potential for the advancement of all facets of science. But...they will soon realize that they need to be able to explore the island BEYOND the boundries of the sonic fence...they will need to INVADE Hostile's territory in order to harness the island's deepest secrets for the "benefit of all mankind". This means...truce or no truce...sacrifices will HAVE to be made. If that means driving the Hostiles back...and possibly killing a few of them...so be it.
The Purge of '92 by the Hostiles was not an all out offensive...It was RETALIATION for what the Dharma folk did to THEM first.
People wonder why Alpert had such lovely styled hair last night...just like he had in 1954...yet when he met the impressionable young Ben Linus...he looked like a cave man...bearded, long hair and dressed in rags. That's because the Dharma folk raided the Hostiles in their pursuit to exploit the island. This raid killed many of the Hostiles, drastically reducing the Hostiles numbers and forcing them into hiding...attacking Dharma when they could...but robbed of their home base and creature comforts.
That is...until Richard met Ben...a little 'outsider' Dharma boy...fed up with the teachings of Dharma. He befriended him...and told him he would eventually become their leader...in exchange for helping the Hostiles defeat Dharma once and for all. Once Ben was old enough...he used his 'inside' status in the Initiative to pull off the purge and take his place as 'leader of the hostiles'...who would eventually become "The Others" to the 815 folk.
And funny enough...as soon as the 815 folk got there...The Others...like the Hostiles before them...drew 'a line in the sand'...thus...dividing up the island for themselves.
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is getting boring. Poor guy. Nice of him to pop in for a...a really lame jab?
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I was there when the 10k post LOST talkback hit the 'white wall of death'.
But it would seem the AICN idiots are throwing you guys a new Baleback opportunity every other day.
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You should read the talkback history before presenting what you see as a "new" idea. The Taweret theory (and other Egyptian god figures) has been analyzed to death by now.
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I don't have time to run through everyone's scribblings before I post. Just call it a repost, shrug, and ignore it rather than take time out of your obviously busy day to whine about it.
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I'm reading yesterday afternoon's posts and Paul mentions something about Horace giving Sawyer's group a dose of R23 before they left. Remember Sawyer's reaction to R23? Looking back now the reaction seems more one of familiarity than confusion. Maybe there's more to this than we thought. Maybe Paul's right, or maybe it was designed during Sawyer's head of security days. Could be he nixed the idea originally and then saw it's implimentation later on rescuing Carl.
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Widmore told Locke something like he was in charge for 3 decades until Ben conned him out of the island. If that's true, Widmore is a hostile while Sawyer is Dharma security.
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Osiris is told to have been one of five children born to the god of the earth and the goddess of the skies; Geb and Nut respectively. Through this family tree he was also a great-grandson of one of the most popular Egyptian gods, Ra. Osiris had four younger siblings who would also play critical roles in his story; his brother Seth and two sisters known as Isis and Nephthys. As the firstborn child and son of Geb and Nut, it therefore fell to Osiris to inherit the throne of Egypt. Seth married Nephthys and Osiris married Isis. Together, Osiris and Isis seemed to have possession of numerous powers. Their marriage was not destined to be happy, however.
At one point, Nephthys appears to have magically taken on the appearance of Isis and presented herself to Osiris as his wife. Not knowing the difference, Osiris was seduced by Nephthys and she became pregnant and gave birth to Anubis.
Later, Seth developed a vendetta against his extremely popular sibling, possibly either because Osiris had inherited the throne or because he had gotten Seth's wife pregnant. At any rate, Seth sought to kill him by luring him into a coffin and drowning him in the Nile. The annual flooding of the Nile River is still thought to be representative of this event.
Isis managed to recover her husband's body; however Seth was very stealthy and stole away with it. After cutting up the body of the Egyptian god of the underworld, Seth hid the pieces throughout the Egyptian desert. The connection between Isis and Osiris was so strong; the Egyptian goddess proceeded to spend a number of years searching for the mutilated body parts of her husband. She finally managed to find all of the pieces, save one and is believed to have used her magical powers to restore her husband's body. Although there are different versions to this part of the story, it seems Isis became pregnant, presumably by Osiris and gave birth to a son, Horus. Osiris died once again and descended to fully assume his duties as Egyptian god of the underworld.
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So...perhaps the island has something to do with the last part of Osiris' body being on the island? Explains Jacob (Gekob). Explains Horace. Explains smoke monster (uncompleted reconstruction of osiris' body). Explains "underworld" heiroglyphics. Explains polar bear skeleton in tunisia (we know someone or atleast something used the portal in the ancient past).
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also explains the coffin, need to recover dead bodies, and references pregnant stuff too!
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Somebody mentioned Walt and the fact that he willed the polar bear to arrive but it couldn't just be created, it came from the Dharma experiments. What if Walt willed the polar bear there but in order for that to be possible the island (or what ever controls walt's abilities) had to create the dharma intiuative to have them do experiments to justify why Walt could bring a polar bear there? This would be interesting to know that Walt basically created the necesity of the DI. Okay, its stretching it a bit but it would be cool. We probably wont ever get an explanation about Walt's powers besides "he is special". Oh, and the baby is named Jacob, has to be. That's why he is in the cabin that Horace built.
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I have to say that I read your blog from time to time and enjoy it a lot.
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I posted that at Room 23, I was actually trying to not reveal the Ben stuff here for those who didn't want to be spoiled.
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First off, he doesn't look Egyptian. Second, his people speak Latin, so he's probably Roman. The Romans were obsessed with the Egyptians and wanted in on their secrets. Perhaps he's Marc Anthony or perhaps one of the emperors. Or just some solider who went in search for Atlantis (the legend is most likely based on the Lost island).
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No, really. I don't know why either. And I'll always take some back nudity. On network TV, that's the best you can get.
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If you were some ancient immortal dude, why else would you call yourself Richard Alpert? He's Ra, the Egyptian sun god.
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I probably butchered the spelling, but am to lazy to look it all up. In the comics and animated series he was always trying to obtain immortality. CelebritySkinnedDotCom is probably more correct, but his comment reminded me of the character.
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...she couldn't take Aaron with her as he was a fetus the first time around. So whatever happened, she was instructed to seduce Jack the night before so she'd be sperminated on the plane.
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Mar 06, 2009 3:54:54 PM CST
No, it's impossible at this point to ever consider Ben
by coughlins laws
a good guy. He has done too much bad and anything he has done have been for selfish reasons, not to protect anyone else. He allowed his daughter to get killed. He kidnapped children from their parents. He's ordered his people to kill other people if they "were stupid enough to get in your way". He killed that Commando guy, causing the deaths of everyone on the frieghter. He killed John Locke in cold blood, twice. He helped purge the entire Dharma Initiative, including his Dad. And, he may or may not have stage a fake plane crash with hundreds of dead bodies. How can any of that be excused?
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Someone upthread suggesting Juliet will get busted by the Dharmites when they see the "mark" she got for killing ... who was that guy that was trying to kill Sawyer, anyway? Pritchett? Not going to happen - Juliet got that mark from the Others/Hostiles after the purge. I doubt the Dharmites would recognize it.
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The island won't let him.
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Tunis is not that far from Spain.
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who is really Jacob.
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you are forgetting the fact that ben may already know the outcome of present events, and also know that there is nothing he can do to prevent them from happening, so he might as well have them happen to help the sake of the island or the people on it.
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The Egyptian mythology connection is an interesting one. However, I think it will only work in this show if the mythology is based on real events and symbolizes those events. There has to be some kind pseudo-scientific explanation for everything including the smoke monster. Maybe Richard Albert is Ra, who the Egyptians thought was a god, but of course isn't a god.
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What Egyptian "secrets" were the Romans after? And the Roman's weren't obsessed with the Egyptians other than maintaining their control over the grain supply. The Romans were Hellenized and the Egyptian influence was quite insignificant.
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Mar 07, 2009 2:28:13 AM CST
Spoilerish supposition..again, what is the opposite of un-dead??
by macfaux
un-born??
To preface, in this week of un-LOST..I must suggest, if you have the ability, re-watch 3.19 and 3.20, it is so choice...Soooo ponder these suppositions (foregoing the Albert of Saxony literalness of it) and in no particular order:
*Richard's one appearance in long hair and period costume was precedented by whispers...Ben saw the original Richard...like his dead mother...outside of time, non-born and fallible..Richard does err and act un-knowing in 3.19 and 3.20
*The woman Juliet looks just like is Ben's mother...suppose his obsession is non-sexual and only maternal. He is not jealous of Goodwin banging her, rather he is, like most children of single mothers, jealous of the lost affection.
*"You, know I can't do that...", says Ben to Widmore...I have the funny feeling, that for whatever ineffable reason, certain island folk can only be killed by their progeny...their children..course correcting and closing the loop as it were. And, when they do that, they 'exist' outside of 'existence' thanks to the island..stuck in a pocket of anti-time..the classic grandfather paradox writ final and reverse. But, because they existed once, they now exist outside of existence..if you kill your grandfather, or father or mother, you don't phase into non-existence..BTF style..you exist eternally at that point of action. Condemned to such, to never age or die..a corporeal stasis..It might not be the grand experience imagined after several some hundred years. Did you notice how the bullet Shannon fired at Locke bounced off his head..how the other shot at Sawyer missed his center mass..he even looked down in disbelief.
*Certainly, the recurring motif of strangulation must be more than coincidence. Thus I conjure..
*Anthony Cooper is a Hanso. The course correction started when he left the island and started banging babes around the world. None of these kids should have been.
*Anthony Cooper didn't just con James Ford's folks..Anthony Cooper is Sawyer's biological pop. (Watch 3.19 and tell me that there is not a sibling connection between Locke and Sawyer)..I didn't notice, and I must doubt the prescience of casting, but John and James do look so much like brothers.."You have to kill your father.." said Ben. suppose Richard did not offer up James as a solution because of revenge..suppose it was a family thing. And, remember the Biblety bunk you learned in Sunday school..or at least Eko's words...Suppose, in analogy, the bible story unfolds as John is Aaron and James is Moses..how cool would that be?...hmmm.
*Again, as mentioned 40 talkbacks ago...Katherine Anne Austin is 'Annie'..the kid actress has the same eyes and freckles. C'mon!
*Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore are brother and sister. Re-watch how he said.."shut up Elie!..." in Jughead...anyone who has a baby sister will know..."sister..soooo, you have a sister"..you'll know.
*Horace Goodspeed's hair is short when they find Ben 'Not in Portland' ..look across the street at the fence with razor wire..coincidence...nope. Horace's hair is shoulder length when the young Ben arrives on the Island...down his back when he meets 'Jim LaFleur'..and at no point in 3.20 is there any overt evidence that Horace and Olivia 'Teacher' are married.
*Returning to the notion that children are the only ones that are able to kill certain Island parents..perhaps Ben's bug eye reveal on learning that Eloise is Faraday's mother is because he now sees a way to get rid of the old bitty...
*Obviously, I wonder who strangled Christian Shepherd?
*Just to say..it appeared in 3.20..in the orientation film for the folk arriving..Dr Marvin Halli/Chang/Candle/wax had already lost his arm..hmmm...
And, heh, LOST poo poo'ers, it's ok that you did not get an invite to Juliet's book circle...that follows. I'll wager all the change in my pocket against all the change in yours that you..in your entire ID driven life..you have never finished a novel that was not assigned by a perceived domineering instructor..probably female. Forget about reading anything by Dick or King.
huh huh...I typed dick king..huh huh.
here ends the booze and supposing.
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That was some good shit right there, really dig your theories.
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Their being married comes from the ARG on-line game thatcame between I believe season 3 & 4. Now Darlton has come out and said that the 2 between season ARG games are not Cannon, that the only cannon is the show and the Podcasts. They could have mentioned it in a Podcast though, I can't remember. Now I recently posted a Jeff Jenson article at Room 23 http://tinyurl.com/d8d5rx that talks about how the actress who played Olivia earlyer didn't want to come back so Darlton created Amy. Jenson speculates that when Horace is building the cabin that he vaguely said that its for the "missus" which ether has always been Amy or could have been changed to Amy after Olivia said that she won't be back. Jenson speculates also that Olivia could be Horace's sister.
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I would like a shout out. When I made the Amy's baby poll I didn't even think of adding Jacob as a choice and a number have speculated here that her baby might be Jacob. Once someone has voted I can't change the poll. 18 people 40% have voted Other. I would like to hear from those 18. when you voted for Other where you voting for Jacob or someone else that I didn't think of. Everyone chime in because I want to include it when I post Poll results on Wednesday.
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Bru, not because you are not getting enough lub lub...
Your blog is some such all right...I think better that Doc Artz and Darkufo if for no other reason than your all right now art....GodsDamn, I love your Island...but where the goonie goo goo is the arrow?
Just sayin, Bru, gathering some such so much from so many sources...well done...well done.
Of course..this may all be thanks to Edge and Bono (big LOST fans) as I was listening to Magnificent..over and over on mee iPod while skiffin your blog.
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Thanks man for the kind words. I did the Island map about a year ago when at the time it was thought that the Aarow was just a small storage building. So since I didn't have much room I left it out. My excuse is that its on the other side of the island that you can't see along with the Dharma village/Othersville and the beach camp. He He But if you like the blog just wait till you see what I have in store once my HTML helperfrees her schedule. Im really excitied about it. I won't say much more since I want it to be a supprise.
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I've been visiting room 23 for a while and just realized it's yours. Love it good job man!
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The time and effort you put into that room is amazing..u dont get nearly enough credit for the hard work, time and patience that has made it into a lost haven
I can only apologise for being a dick and not visiting as much as I should, and I apologise even more for not contributing, I was there when u set it up and hvae not beena solid poster like so many of the others, u have alot of good men..and women posting stories and stuff with you and I would love to know how many views the blog has got....it would be a mighty amount
Im just talking to Barfy over in the AICN chatroom here nad were saying what the hell will u do with yourself when lost is finished next spring...haha...you are going to have to get another project to build a comprehnsive blog around...maybe Hannah Montana..haha
keep up the great work, and everyone else who contributes and helps Pa maintain it, I tip my hat to you all..
If I dont get on AICN before next weekend I like to wish u all a Happy St Patricks day for next weekend....have a pint of guinness with ur dharma beer..
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That blog actually started out as a way for us in the 10,000 "We have to go back!" talkback to share article & pictures while we chatted about Lost. Since then its gotten a lot bigger.
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That blog actually started out as a way for us in the 10,000 "We have to go back!" talkback to share article & pictures while we chatted about Lost. Since then its gotten a lot bigger.
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Yeah I have actually been think a llot about what Im going to do next year for about a year now. Barfy stole the Fringe idea. But something will come up.
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you could write ur own bloody show...haha
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I was wondering the same thing. you would think that with American sweeps starting last Thursday night that they would want a new episode? Maybe so that theres enough episodes to cover May sweeps?
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I just checked into chat and no one was there.
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yeah you are right and i stretched it a bit too far with the body part thing/smoke monster i think. i like the RA theory as well.
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i wonder how the hell some of u come to these theories. i mean really. so alpert is a "baby" out side of time when he meets ben.whatever, no outside time crap..he met him that night thats all. alpert is not "outside time" never was or will be. he's at the mercy of the island too. y do u think hes surprised when he talked to saywer? juliet looks just like ben's mom?? what do u think this is days of our lives??? im mean really. kate is annie?? Again insert soap opera title here. i wont even get into the whole anti-time crap. this is not a comic book macfaux. the whole thing with locke and sawyer. the reason they didnt get mortally wounded when they got shot was because IT COULD NOT HAPPEN. if they got killed then they would not be alive to do the things they had to do ( such as moving the island and becoming lafleur). listen to what faraday says,im paraphrasing, "the reason it has'nt happened is because it has'nt happened yet". as locke said "everything happens for a reason". Cooper a hanso??? nothing i can say for that. wow.. that's really out there. i suggest watching the whole cooper/sawyer/locke episodes again. the only thing that makes sense is the ellie/windmore dynamic. u could have the sibling rivalry. thats the reason they have kept at it for so long instead of teaming up.
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Parents can only be killed by their children? Where the hell are you coming up with this shit? I understand that you're drunk and you've apparently been listening to U2, which clearly shows there's something wrong with you to begin with, but don't you think it's more likely that Ben couldn't kill Widmore because they both have knowledge that Widmore lives past that point and there is nothing either one of them can do to change that? Or any number of other theories that make a hell of a lot more sense than "only children can kill their parents"? Jesus.
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"what do u think this is days of our lives??"
Nope. I think it is a variation of General Hospital..circa the early 80's. Luka and Laura and Scotty and Holly and Robert Scorpio...the Cassidines and Quatermaines and a mystery island and world domination and all that. Of course its a soap opera..
"A soap opera is an ongoing, episodic work of dramatic fiction presented in serial format on television or radio. The defining feature that makes a program a soap opera, according to Albert Moran, is "that form of television that works with a continuous open narrative. Each episode ends with a promise that the storyline is to be continued in another episode"
Soap opera stories run concurrently, intersect and lead into further developments. An individual episode of a soap opera will generally switch between several different concurrent story threads that may at times interconnect and affect one another or may run entirely independent of each other. Each episode may feature some of the show's current storylines but not always all of them. There is some rotation of both storylines and actors so any given storyline or actor will appear in some but usually not all of a week's worth of episodes. Soap operas rarely "wrap things up" storywise and generally avoid bringing all the current storylines to a conclusion at the same time. When one storyline ends there are always several other story threads at differing stages of development. Soap opera episodes typically end on some sort of cliffhanger.
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"..you've apparently been listening to U2, which clearly shows there's something wrong with you to begin with.."
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Looks like the war has arrived early
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I've recently gotten my girlfriend hooked on the show and we were watching the season 3 "Man Behind the Curtain" episode and there is a flashback where Ben is in class and the sirens start going off and you see a bunch of Dharma people running outside the classroom. If you look closely you can see Sawyer in a Dharma jumpsuit. So cool that they figured this out so far in advance.
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were u joking in ur post with all ur theories? if u were i apologies. if not how can any of those possibly make any sense. i like the one with ellie and windmore though. that one makes sense. " im not eating ur drug laced soup old man!" John Black/Brady/DiMerra?? lol
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hello. I love the show so much but this week something has me puzzled and i am wondering if i missed something. sawyer and juliette etc are in the 70's right? jack and everyone else were in 2004. how come they have returned to 1970's island? how have they gone back through time? why haven't they landed on the island in 2004?
forgive me if this is a dumb question and I missed something obvious but its bumming me out as its a bit of a cheat without an explanation
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but whenever it was it wasn't the seventies
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It would take six months to explain what little we know. There is not much we know about the method of the Ajira flight and it's passengers method of time travel, or why certain folks from the flight did. I would check out Lostpedia for some insight as to what led the 06 to the flight but after that, the method of "time travel" used, we're all wondering? Some of the people in here are pretty agitated about the whole thing.
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We're waiting to find that out! Should find some clues in the next few episodes.
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I, for one, dig your theories. Even if they're off base, they're fun to think about. Interesting that they needed Locke to kill his own father. I figured Ben set that up, Richard seemed opposed to the idea, but he acted like it needed to be done. Curious to see how it plays out. 26 more episodes!
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are you for realsies about Sawyer being in Dharma way back in season 3?
Oh and Terry, I can't think of anyone on the show who hasn't killed someone. Didn't Hurley even kill people by walking onto a deck full of people? Walt killed his mom. We haven't seen Vincent's backstory yet, but I don't trust him. Yeah, they've all got blood on their hands. -
Cross my heart, hope to die. When I saw it the day after "Le Fleur" aired, I could not keep the huge grin from my face. I love this show.
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the show rewards people who actually watch it.
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I didn't say the Dharmites would recognize it...I said the Hostiles would.
Since she received the mark AFTER the purge, in which the Hostiles took over the Dharmite's part of the island...I would say the "marking" punishment is a "Hostile" ritual...NOT a "Dharma" one. It would not surprise me to see that Charles Widmore gets a similar mark when he gets banished. Perhaps he was the first to receive such a mark?
Either way, I would think her "mark" will come back into play. It's very similar to the mark on the tree that Juliette visited (Ethan's old 'drop off' point) where she retrieved medical supplies for Claire in "One of Us". While it is not exactly the same mark...LostPedia says:
The tree mark being almost identical to Juliet's mark is a set anomaly, and was intended to be the same symbol by the prop masters.
Did Juliette carve the symbol herself...back in the 70's 80's? Other interesting trivia about the mark from LostPedia:
This mark is almost identical to the mark the protectors of the Holy Grail wear in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
Juliet's mark is believed by some fans to be an Easter egg in reference to Easter eggs; the same symbol is found on Cadbury's Creme Eggs, which are associated with Easter.
But...I can envision a scene, where Sawyer and Juliette are captured by the Hostiles, and Alpert or another hostile notices her mark...and wonder how it is a Dharmite would have gotten a mark reserved for Hostiles who have killed and were similarly branded.
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Before the island, Hugo killed 2 when he stepped onto a deck built to hold 8, but there was 23 people on it and it collapsed.
On the island...Hurley mowed over an Other with his Dharma van. Not sure if that killed the dude...but...It sure looked like it.
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Sorry...Just saw a hot air balloon on TV...and wondered now that LOST is set in the past...will we see Henry Gale's arrival? Love to see that big smiley faced balloon!
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I remember in season 2 I think it was the 3 minutes episode where we got all of Michaels interaction with the Others and the deal that he made to free Ben from his self imposed capture there was a scene where Michael was being lead into the fake camp. One of the Others looked almost exactly like Desmond. And there was a flutter of speculation (at least on my part) about how Desmond was really an Other who was trying to infiltrate and spy on the castaways. But it turned out that the actor just really looked like the actor who plays Desmond. (I'm blanking on the name at the moment) That could well have beenSawyer in that season 3 episode I know that Darlto did say that near the end of season one they had alreay planned to have some of the group leave the island and then come back. It could also just be and actor who looks like Sawyer though. It would be awsome if your were correct though!
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My bet is that you are correct CB. Young Ben is going to show up soon just by looking at the timeline. So its my guess that during this season we get the Ben & Annie story, Ben's deal with Richard, the purge, infertility, Henry Gale's story & Ben stealing Alex.
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Anyone see the post on DocArzt? In the Chang video from ComicCon it really sounds like the last thing he says is, "LaFleur! What are you doing?!" It sounds like Daniel is talking to him but it seems like two people are there with him. Maybe it's Sawyer?! What do you guys think?
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looks dead on to me. So...I guess the question is...will we be jumping around a few years via flashbacks/forwards from 1977...or will each episode have a "3 Years Earlier/Later" title card in it?
For instance...Rousseau doesn't crash until 1988...so, for us to see Ben kidnap Alex...we're gonna have to jump (narratively, not via FDW time "shifts") almost a dozen years from where we are now in 'island' time. Or will they have some other way of moving the plot ahead?
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Yeah I thought about that, maybe Im being a little gready espesaly since half of the things that I mentioned take place when Ben is a young adult.
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How bouta link to the Comic Con video? I'm a lazy ass.
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http://tinyurl.com/cjvok8
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i just checked out that scene from the man behind the curtain when the hostiles attack the dharmites with little benny linus in class. there is a shot of a dude with longish blond hair that may be sawyer, but you catch a slight profile of the dude's cheek and chin. that ain't josh holloway, though. i guess it could be mistaken and glossed over later as proof, but i froze the shot and it's definitely not sawyer
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I also noticed that the rope pulled back through time in Sawyer’s hand got left sticking out of the ground in some presumably ancient time after the Lostaways did the time warp again, presumably serving as the cue to its builders to build it. Much like Locke & Alpert’s compass and Faraday’s instrument settings, that rope looks like one more candidate for one common side-effect of time-loops: ontological paradox. For those of you not wanting to go through a whole Wikipedia article on the subject, ontological paradox is one in which an item or piece of information is eternally circulating through a time loop, and therefore having neither origin nor end. Who made that compass? It gets passed from Locke to Alpert, back to Locke, who in turn hands it back to Alpert. Where did Faraday’s instrument settings come from if Faraday gave them to Desmond who gave them to Faraday’s past self? And where did the well’s rope come from if the original makers of the well used the same rope left them for them from the future, which will always be brought back from the future to be found coming mysteriously up out of the ground? You see my point?
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Could be LaFleur...Could just be a grunt. But I def think we'll get to see that lil movie being taped on LOST...and we'll find out exactly what the hell was going on 'behind the scenes'.
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Personally it sounds exactly like LaFleur to me. And that is definitely Faraday's voice.
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That's def Farraday's voice. And Chang said "30 Years in the future"...which would make him be addressing "an audience" in 2007 (as appose to 2004)...this taping will be happening very soon I believe. So...It very well COULD be Sawyer/LaFleur behind the camera causing a commotion.
But...it raises lotsa questions...How did Daniel figure out how to GET the tape...or, at least the transmission, into 2007? Will that be how the rest of the 0-6 and the Ajira clan travel back and forth to 1977?
Also...what the hell IS LaFleur doing if indeed it is Sawyer causing the raucous? Perhaps the 'ol Con Man has fallen in love with his new island exsistence...waking up to Juliet's cans every morning...and James no longer WANTS to leave Craphole Island? Is he purposely sabotaging Daniel's time-communicade? Is Daniel selfishly trying to warn 2007 Charlotte NOT to come back...and Sawyer doesn't want him messing with 'what's already happened'?
Finally...What the hell is the 'audience' in 2007 suppose to DO about this tape/transmission? Take it to a Comic Con? Is Chang pleading with his 2007 Dharma counterparts to send in the calvary?
Will this stop the lighting bolt from hitting the clocktower at precisely 10:04 with 1.21 gigawatts of electricity?
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Tuesdays...notoriously in the past...were days of great celebration in LOST. Some huge spoiler would drop over at SpoilerFix...or Ausiello's column...or DarkUFO.
Now? I don't wanna know! I use to be ravenous for those juicy tidbits....firing up this board with the "what it all means"...and "what ifs". Not that my enthusiasm has been 'curbed' for LOST in the least.
With each passing episode...I'm deathly afraid that the HUGE spoiler is gonna drop...the one that has the show 95% figured out.
Ugh. I actually DREAD that day now. Funny how times have changed.
Welp...happy LOST Tuesday to ya'll. How are you passing the time?
I'm reading that awesome Raiders story conference between Lucas, Speilberg and Kasdan from 1978. It's absolutely amazing. It's actually like reading a reverse spoiler! Thank God there was no internet in '78...or Raiders would have been ruined forever.
Some of the details they talk about at length are just crazy! Who would have thought the damn "Heil Hitler" monkey was so important early on. How George was obsessed with geting Indy to Shang Hi...by jumping out of a disabled plane using a life raft....that goes out the window for Raiders...only to be used in Temple of Doom.
It's a great read if ya haven't downloaded the whole thing...Do it.
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Season 3. Episode 22. Nighttime. Beach. Others. Bernard. Rifle. Shoot.
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I suggest you take a page from the end of Raiders.
"Innnnnndddddyyyyy!!!"
"Shut yer eyes, Marion!...DON'T LOOK AT IT!!!"
Then...as those who dared open the spoiler are consumed by arcing rays of electricty and fire...with their faces melting off...you'll be standing there tied to a pole with Marion Ravenwood. -
This doesn't really qualify though does it? Since there is no new episode this week. Sigh...curse ABC. I still can't think of a plausible explanation for this gap.
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I think Darlton are merely back timing an ass cracker of an episode to air on Wednesday...April 1st...the last night of the sweeps.
So...they skip an episode tomorrow nite, to ensure this 'game changer' episode lands on April Fool's Day.
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Darlton said there was a gamechanger coming up? Which episode?
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But they always have ONE in every sweeps period. I'm only speculating that they are saving the 'game changer' episode for the last nite of sweeps.
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i share your avoidance of spoilers. i love to theorize, but would much rather be surprised by the show. i also checked out the indy transcript a bit. really fun read. it cracks me up how focused lucas is, then spielberg buts in with some goofy sidebar, like having indy yank some damsel close by cracking his whip and spinning her, and lucas has to carefully redirect spielberg. too funny
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Mar 10, 2009 3:43:00 PM CDT
Yep, arzt....It's a transmitter...a Radio for speaking to GOD!
by cheif brody
Lucas was reining in Spielberg at every turn! Especially over keeping Raiders 'low budget'.
"No huge crowd scenes with thousands of extras, Steven"
"But, George, you can get them for pennies on the dollar in places like Bombay!". Funny, cuz he had just used thousands of extras in the desert while shooting Close Encounters. And Kasdan comes off like a kid who's just been handed the keys to the fuckin candy store. Really interesting stuff.
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Thats stuff was in the extras of the recent DVD releases.
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Claire never did ether. I guess technicaly before thinking of adoption then keeping Aaron she was thinking of abortion if I remember correctly.
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But I don't believe that. I believe that it was cancer or someother sickness.
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stuff that you have been talking about. Like the things that they tried to put in Raiders, but ended up in Doom.
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how crazy is it that spielberg says flat out, what we're basically doing is designing a disneyland ride. wtf!? does spielberg have uncanny vision or what?
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which Spilberg Produced and its interesting the changes that were made because of him which I think helped. Originally Gizmo was supposed to turn into the evil Spike, but Spelberg told them that they shouldn't do that and that Gizmo needed more stuff to do. Also in the final battle Billy was supposed to be the main one that foiled Spike, but Spelberg told them to again let Gizmo do it.
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Also amazing how they have these scenes...these visions in their head...and trying to work out where they will fit in the movie. The flying wing fight scene...was going to happen in Shang Hi? How do the dates get poisioned? The whole opening scene description is masterful...putting all those pieces into place.
Also...what's up with torturing & raping Marion?!! "What are the Germans doing to the 'girl' when she gets kidnapped"? That came up a few times in the transcript. Belloq was almost Italian...then German...and finally French.
Kasdan did a wonderful job figuring out how to get all these crazy ideas in order, and keep the scenes described in these early conversations almost completely intact.
Also interesting Lucas gave Kasdan Empire Strikes Back to write before George even read his 1st draft of Raiders. Thank God these 3 guy's paths converged at just the right time. -
Please tell me that Emilie de Ravin isn't done on Lost. — Jason
MATT: Allow me to be crystal Claire, as it were — we will see MIAaron's mom again, and not just by means of a time-jump à la the birthing moment Sawyer witnessed anew. As the Aussie actress shared in this video, she is just taking "a little break" this season, and multiple sources assure me the plan is still for her to return for the series-ending Season 6. Speaking of finales during this sad, Lost-less week, I'm hearing that there will be just one more "hiccup" — a late-April clip show — detouring our road to this year's undoubtedly big finish. http://www.tvguide.com/News/MegaBuzz-Lost-Smallville-1003906.aspx -
http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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Gremlins would have sucked had the let Gizmo gone "bad". There's another great book by Carl Gotlieb called "The Jaws Log"...basically a daily journal on the problematic making of Jaws. Great read. Thank God that Bruce the shark never worked properly...cuz the movie would have suffered immensely had it been more functional.
They basically shot everything they could around the shark...then they'd write more stuff on the fly to shoot while the engineers figured out how to get the damn thing to work. One of those scenes was Quint's "Indianapolis Story" monologe.
That scene may have never have been shot if 'ol Bruce was able to tear the boat apart like it was scripted.
But Spielberg showed his genius with Jaws when he jettisoned two plot points from Benchley's book. 1.) Hooper's affair with the Chief's wife...(and Hooper got to survive the cage attack, because that devious aspect of his character was removed).
2.) The mob was forcing the mayor to keep the beaches open.
Oh...and when Steven changed the lame ass ending of Benchley's book (the shark swims up to Brody...and just...dies?). Benchley said..."It's physically impossible to get a compressed air tank to explode like TNT!! The audiece isn't going to buy it!!".
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Mar 11, 2009 12:50:42 AM CDT
Gremlins would have sucked had the let Gizmo gone "bad".
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Not to mention the mechendizing they would have missed out on!
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Its to bad that he let George talk him into Aliens for Indy 4. or maybe it was Spelberg that talked Lucas into it. Can't remember which wanted it.
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George had been reining him in for so long...he probably just said..."Whatever, ET. Have fun".
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Hi guys. Beginning tonight I'm going to watch all the S5 epis just to see if we missed anything we might now see. No schedule, but you're welcome to join in.
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Fuck.
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Chris Columbus (Home Alone 1 & 2 and Harry Potter 1 & 2) came up with the idea when he lived in a crappy apartment and could hear mice moving around his apartment at night. Also his firstscript was a lot more horror filled. Scenes like the Mom's head rolling down the stairs and the dog getting killed rather then just being strung up. Also the Executives wanted to take out the main girls backstory about her Father getting stuck in a Santa suit in their chiminey on Christmas, but the director really fought for it.
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Also Howie Mandel did the voice of Gizmo and Frank Welker who did the voices of Megatron, Soundwave and the cassettes in the 80's Transformers cartoon did Spike and the other bad Gremlins.
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Every time you type the word "Gremlins" on the internet...it sends a "REBOOT/REMAKE" alert to all the Hollywood executives.
You do it enough and we're gonna have a crappy ALL CGI Gremlins remake coming to a theater near you! Awww...who am I kidding...there's no stopping that from happening.
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I'm "Buffy Alcazar".
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They already did, its called Gremlins 2: The New Batch. I haven't seen it since it was in the theater though so I can't remember if it was bad or not. I just remember the bat & spider Grimlins and the main executive one. Oh and the one dressed in drag. But Yeah, we don't want Gremlins 3: Gremlins vs Critters or Gremlins 3: Trouble in China
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Not a sequel...I'm familiar with the sequel. I'm talkin about a REBOOT....or worse yet...a REMAKE. Using NO puppets....all the Gremlins will be CGI.
It's coming...just watch. Imagine a sea of CGI Gremlins swarming the city...all with no souls or no personalities. Just a bunch of 1's and 0's climbing over fake CGI buildings.
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Or was it Dicks Blvd?
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BTW- have any of you played lost via domus? i was reading about the layout of the incident room in the swan station on lostpedia. it says that, while lost:VD (i really don't want that infection!) is not canon, the layout of the incident room was given to the game designers by the lost show-runners. now that got me really fucking intrigued. i want a glimpse of the swan station incident room. so i go over to youtube to check out a screen grab walking around the room in anticipation of what we're sure to see sometime this season, likely the blocked off portion on the blast door map. supposedly, there's supposed to be a couple of huge electromagnetic coils. so when i get over to youtube, i don't see a video of the incident room, but i watch a trailer for the game itself, and it looks fucking dope! i'm craving my lost jones, but always ignored the game as non-canon. now i'm really excited to play it, and it's only $10 used on amazon. have any of you played it? is it any good? i'm excited to fucking run from smokey, shoot at pirate ben, make a move on other juliet.
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i want the dharma security logo, the one with the star in the middle
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Or I could be Laural Scamper since I lived on a corner. Actually I have a lot of dogs, Cooper, Winston, Jasper Scamper and a others. Oh and hutch rabbits Blackie, Brownie, Whitey & Pinkie after their hair color. I was 5 or 6 at the time. Pinkie was a white baby of Whitie with pink eyes. Maybe Laurel Pinkie? We also have hutch ducks & a Turtle.
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So, Pa...you'd actually be "Scamper Buckingham". Which is FAR more hilarious!!
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Might be a nice purchase to get me thru the break between Season 5 - Season 6. Anybody play this thing yet? Is it worth it?
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But I've heard that it is fun.
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but you would think that if darlton gave them the design for the room, and other guidance in key spots, its for a reason. they had to know we were going to be seeing the room at some point, it's probably close on some levels to what we will see, no?
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i just went out and bought it, 18 bucks out the door. just packed up a bowl, and i'm satisfying my lost cravings by playing this game for a few hours. i can't believe this game only came out a little over a year ago. i thought it was quite a bit older than that. huh
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Mar 11, 2009 5:54:57 PM CDT
Doc Jenson speculates on infirtility & Rose & Bernard
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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on via domus' canonical merit: - The Incident Room is considered canon as per events from the show. Desmond stated that there is a magnetic reactor behind the concrete wall in the Swan. This reactor is where the Incident occured, and caused the crash of Flight 815. Also, the Incident Room can be seen on the original blast door map in "Lockdown", next to the Swan station. -The DHARMA Initiative stations that are seen in the game, including the interiors of the Swan, the Flame, and the Hydra, is considered canon since blueprints for these stations came from ABC.[3] New canonical locations that are seen in these stations include the Incident Room, the Flame basement, the Advisory Room, the zoology lab, and the shark tank. Also, the Island locations in the game (such as the Black Rock, Lagoon, Lake, and beach camp) are all considered canon. If any contradictions exist between the show and the game's locations, the show always is canon. yo, the fucking dharma shark tank is in the game, right in the preview. maybe i can ride ezra james sharkington!
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Where are Rose & Bernard? http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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Rose & Bernard have been getting freaky in a tent somewhere. Completely oblivious that they have been hopscotching across time.
In fact...every time Rose achieved orgasm...it brought on another time shift flash.
"Dayyyyymn, Bernie...You made the sky go white with THAT one! YEOW!"
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Mar 11, 2009 8:28:07 PM CDT
I actually thought of adding that as a choice
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
but thought better of it.
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Still doing porn/drag queen names?
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It was over the top pop culture parody, but it wasn't too bad. I remember some critics really loving it - maybe Siskel and Ebert at the time. And it was around 1990, so no CGI in it. I checked it out in the theatres when it first came out.
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Since we've got a week to kill, what do you think of MSU's chances, Hobo and DeeJay?
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No. I forgot the rules and found a site where they asked a few questions and got that name. Now that you've spermed my memory (uggggg....why did I type that?)...my porn name would be King Cromwell.
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I'll start talking when UNC takes the court tomorrow, beotches.
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I rewatched the 2 hour premier last night. Too early this morning to remember everything, even though there wasn't much. The one thing I do currently remember not thinking about last time was the Willie Nelson song Marvin Candle put on. Remember it started skipping? Remember Faraday later comparing the time shifts to a skipping record?
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Mar 12, 2009 9:15:01 AM CDT
4we8......"I actually thought of adding that as a choice"
by redfishbluefish
LOL! you do crack me up! great episode last night! harrumph. 1 whole week to go. grr. still better than that 6 week hiatus last year.
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is my stripper name. how are all you folks doing, anyways?
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All I know is that I think MSU would be better off with a #2 seed if we are in the Midwest bracket, as opposed to a #1 seed farther from home. I just want to get through the conference tourney at this point.
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Abigail Cliff
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I desperately want to play it but they don't have a Wii version. Bastards.
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more aboout this than me...has it been confirmed that the red headed toddler was charlotte? how old is the new actor playing young ben? theory: do you think the final, strongest flash, from statue time to 1974, caused the destruction of the statue? or are the flashes only felt by the time travellers (I'm guessing the last)? I suppose the statue easily could have crumbled from "natural causes", but it would still have been cool.
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It hasn't been confirmed whether the toddler was Charlotte but her mother's voice in that scene had a British accent. I think it stands to reason. Only problem is that it doesn't jibe with Ben's intel from the freighter that said she wasn't born until 1979, which makes her being a 4 year old in 1974 a little strange.
I'm not sure about Ben. I thought I read that the kid from TMBTC was coming back to play him again.
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They did make a computer version of Via Domus I believe.
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I know. I'm just not up to playing a game with my keyboard. Thanks though.
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May the gods and my fellow LOST friends forgive me.
I was reading something on Newsvine about Richard not aging, and I remembered an epsidoe of Star Trek where there was a caretaker. The caretaker was computer generated, but that's not my thought. It was about the gods and a caretaker of their land. So I did a caretaker search thinking maybe I'd find something about an immortal guardian of the home of the gods.
Instead I found what appears to be an online novel. The following is an excerpt from Chapter 15 of the Library of H alexandria.
"The Gods are no more. Only the Caretakers remain. The history of The Gods and their people is the history of a worldwide, highly developed, technological civilization, one which had passed beyond the breaking point. After the horror of the wars, the technological and economic collapse, and the subsequent, tremendous anti-technological feelings that were generated, a group of great scientists quite literally went underground. They brought with them great wisdom and understanding, and their total commitment to bring peace and joy to the people of their war weary planet.
"Over the generations they rebuilt the society using a base of savagery and superstition. Their technology expanded and surpassed even that which was known in the greatest days of the previous civilizations. Soon their technology was to the uneducated masses of the planet, akin to magic. They had become, quite inadvertently, The Gods.
"Slowly the idea evolved that they could continue as The Gods, preserving the beauty and glory of their world. But this required a total and uncompromising secrecy. The people of Riwan could always believe in The Gods, and The Gods could always be there to care for them -- provided that the people never suspect The Gods were merely people like themselves. As long as the secret of The Gods remained, prosperity could remain. It was a highly desirable solution.
"But the laws of the universe are adverse to such stability. The first and clearest problem is that The Gods are not immortal. In fact they are but people. And in time the descendants of gods might become very lacking in godlike qualities. The inherent problem of nepotism, in any of its numerous forms, could eventually overcome the best of intentions. Good intentions would yield nothing if the secret of The Gods became known. A new civilization without gods would have to evolve, and it was far too early for that.
"Then the Caretakers, as they came to be known among themselves, came upon the idea of the Chosen. Those who would carry on the work of the Caretakers in succeeding generations would be selected from the populace. Thereby the Caretakers would be able to perpetuate their own by the Chosen. The lack of continuing their line by having children of their own would be of little concern, since as Caretakers they would have the prayers and love of all the small fry of Riwan in their keeping. With the help of an immense computer network, they could continue for all time the work of the first Gods, to 'love and protect their world'. This is something the Caretakers and their novices, the Chosen, have now done for countless ages.
"The idea and selection of the Chosen is absolutely crucial. It ensures that every new Caretaker works for the good of their people. Only the best motivated and most loving of the people of Riwan are Chosen. Were the Caretakers to have children of their own, there could be no valid test of a child's suitability to become a Caretaker inasmuch as it would not be possible for the child to fail and thereby return to the community of the people. The love between a parent and child would ultimately conflict with the critical need for total impartiality in the selection of the Chosen. Similarly the Caretakers cannot take a single partner as in marriage, but must maintain a level of love for every one of their compatriots and race.
"The Chosen are carefully watched before their Choosing. They are also tested in a variety of ways while they wear the Robe. Then when they enter into the temple, they undergo a last minute psycho scan. Their feelings at the height of that moment will invariably indicate whether or not the Chosen does the act only for self glory, or for the love of The Gods and the people. The indication is very strong. The true Chosen go with faint heart, knowing above all what they are giving up. The false look forward to a great moment of glory.
"Should the person be doing it only for self glory, they are allowed to go to the altar, take the poison, and die. It is, in effect, death by their own wish for immortal vain-glory.
"If, on the other hand, the Chosen have come to their end for the love of their people, and they therefore pass the final test, they become a novice Caretaker and a pre-readied robot takes their place at the altar of fire."
The key has always been the individualistic nature of 'research'. Technological development without teamwork is severely limited, especially when previously gained knowledge is not always available to the young. There is a great deal of lost art on the surface of Riwan. Thus all progress is individual progress. Only in cases of great genius, will the Caretakers prompt the individual, in order to allow the person to go as far as his talents permit. But even then the work of such a great genius is carefully removed from the common knowledge."
"Has a great genius ever been Chosen?"
"Yes. But they were not allowed to become Caretakers. They were usually more in love with their science and accordingly were allowed to work with their love for the remainder of their lives. On the other hand, they met all of the essential requirements for being Chosen."
http://www.halexandria.org/dward503.htm
Me again. Now of course I'm not saying this is it...this is the key. But this or something similar could be a way for everything to die together, don't you think? -
I'm too busy writing a LOST porno parody. It's called:
LUST
7 doomed souls, stuck in a geek website talkback find themselves transported to a mysterious island...where they encounter sex starved 'hostiles'...out to enslave them in 'pleasure hatches'.
Starring:
Buffy Alcazar
Pepi Grindstone
Scamper Buckingham
King Cromwell
Happy Horner
Abigal Cliff
Mike Randi
With a special guest appearance by Ron Jeremy as "The Smoke Hedge Hog".
Coming soon.
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that's spelled cumming soon
I could be wrong.
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King Cromwell gets top billing or walks!!
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LOL.
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I had a thought as to why Locke is looked up to by the others. Think linerally.
The others are at war with the govt and Locke walks into his camp calling on Richard. He tells him his name, his birthdate, his story, etc. He mentions Jacob, something an outsider should not know. Then he vanishes into thin air before Richard's eyes.
Richard goes to the hospital where John is born on the date he said he would be. Richard goes back and tells his people of this fact that has come true.
Just those facts might make some true believers. Now add to that the fact he was crippled but can now walk. He heard and saw Jacob. He has a deep love and devotion to their land and does anything, including dying, to save it.
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THAT theory sounds very reasonable! That's why Alpert kept checking up on him all those years ago...er...in the future...er...oh my God...my head hurts.
King...I was holding out for Barfy's 'porno name' to give her top billing...but you can have it if she refuses to give it. What's Ed Shrinker's porno name? -
f'm! yes, writers, you read it right.. F-U straight to the hot place..
After re watching 4.2 to 4.6...if, in this novel fun time chucky cheese ball pit of love..you attempt to boo foo goo the sweet stable love of James and Juliet after the minimum five...FIVE...times Kate rejected the love of Sawyer, well..f u, f u hard..ya chuckie kaufman wanna bees:
"Sayiddddd!"
"How long do you think we can play house?"
"..none of your business..
"I'm not moving in with you..'
"I'm leavin..."
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now that is some fine entertainment!! LOL! Brilliant! geek porn, i love it! i think this could become a reality... :)
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How are you, my Lost wife? Speaking of porn. Lost Jarv is steaming up the Twilight TB!
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Mar 12, 2009 2:26:05 PM CDT
Fishy...Just wait til you read the scene I'm writing now...
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Where Happy Horner helps Abigal Cliff take a spin on the Frozen Donkey Dick!
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Mar 12, 2009 2:37:01 PM CDT
Happy Horner helps Abigal Cliff take a spin on the Frozen Donkey
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That's some funny shit!!
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"Who will die this season?" I make a post as to why this is not a spoiler and my predictions. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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LOL! okay, you guys crack me up. and yes, my dear HoboNodey, that Twilight TB is hilarious!
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See it here...before YouTube rips it down!
http://tinyurl.com/bfj4dk
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You have way too much time on your hands. LOL!
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I really liked LOST - In Preparation for Season 5.5 which is a season recap. Also theres a Darlton interview where they state once again that Libby's story is done and will never again be in the show. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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Nice Cheif
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"The Snatch". I blew Diet Mt. Dew out my nose when he typed that. Glad you liked it...King Cromwell!
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Wait til you hear HER porn name!
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I wish I could take credit but that came from either Barfy or Fishy. My entry was The Hooking Ass.
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Which one of you two came up with that one?
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pa, you put a lot of vids up. thanks for helping me keep busy and distracted! BTW, finally saw watchmen last night in imax. fucking beautiful
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yes, i am a dirty girl. thank you, grandma, for passing on that pervy disposition. :)
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Mar 13, 2009 11:19:04 PM CDT
So what our plan come June 2010 When theres no more Lost?
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Are we going to keep that finale talkback going or are we going to just all go our ways?
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...we hit the white wall of death. So...we have just over a year to come up with a better plan! Not that I wouldn't mind hitting the wall again with all you guys...but after that...we're screwed.
As for my plans after LOST?
1. Find Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse, shake their hands and thank them for 6 wonderful years of entertainment.
2. Or...Find Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse and strangle them for fucking up LOST beyond repair and wasting 6 years of my life.
3. Taking a trip to Hawaii and visiting some of the shooting locations.
4. Produce and win several AVN Awards for "LUST".
5. Start watching ONLY reality TV shows. Religiously.
6. Stalk Emile De Ravin for a few months...until the restraining orders get too serious.
7. Write a book about LOST called "Thank You For Buying This Book Cuz There's Absolutely NOTHING On The Internet About LOST".
8. Macrame.
9. Take a week long bath.
10. Get a life.
That's pretty much my plan. Your results may vary.
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And I'm fairly certain that #1 will be more true then #2.
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Let's hope so.
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Literally! WTF?
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I was watching this weeks episode of Smallville they pretty much copy the second movie when it comes to time travel, but in a different way. In the season premiere Clark gets a Time traveling ring from the Legion of Superheroes from the future. In this episode CLark tells the world via an interview with Lois that he's an alien and that he had been the one who had been saving people and everything goes wrong. So he uses the ring to travel back in time to change things.
So not quite like way that Lost did it, but I thought that it worked. Although I kind of felt that it sucked both in the movie & in the episode that he told Lois that then undid it. -
Mar 14, 2009 10:42:44 PM CDT
A mid season refresher, A great Michael Emerson interview
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END DATE! Should have just wrapped it up on The WB.
Nice refresher, Pa. I think those Sky.com clips should be behind spoiler tabs, though! I've already watched them a few weeks back...but...they are chock full of spoilers for any unsuspecting viewers. Michael Emerson interview always very entertaining.
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just dropped by, since Barfy can't log in for some reason....
we have 3 more porn names for your LUST island...
barfy = Bambi Parnell
ed = Harvey Neptune
gotilk = Spot Maywood
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Harvey Neptune? OMG that's classic!
And...Spot Maywood...if there's enough Viagra on the set!
Mind reeling...scenes are writing themselves.
Harvey Neptune, King Cromwell & Bambi Parnell head to an abandoned 18th century slave ship called "The Black Cock" to look for dynamite....gang bang ensues.
Meanwhile Spot Maywood, Scamper Buckingham & Buffy Alcazar find a medical station called "The Stiff", where they find a huge storage of Viagra...they are captured by the Hostiles and taken to the "Sex Sub"...gang bang ensues.
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The TUESDAY after a LOST repeat! I'm gonna HATE this Tuesday.
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ST PATRICK'S DAY! That green beer should make the time go faster!
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you are killing me here!!! LOL
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I think ABC should come up with a show called afterLOST. Sayid, Hurley, and Jin open up a bed & breakfast, and wackiness ensues .... With Faraday hanging around as comic relief. Hmm - anyone else got any ideas?
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I've never been to Hawaii, so when I do I'd love to check out filming locations. I tend to do that anyway when I take a vacation. My favorite is Chicago - I've checked out where the Blues Brothers, The Fugitive, and Ferris Bueller shot scenes downtown.
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I've got a conference starting Thursday, leaving town Wednesday afternoon, won't be home until late Friday. This will be the longest wait I've had for an aired episode in some time! Add to that all of the NCAA basketball games, and it'll be a busy week.
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Sorry you'll be missing the episode this week. I thought I was going to miss "LaFleur" a couple weeks back when I was shlepping back and forth between Tampa & Daytona Beach all week. Then I found out I was gonna be home late Wednesday nite, I was frickin stoked. We left Daytona at 2:30am...then got caught in a "rolling road-block" for an HOUR in Orlando! Finally walked in my door at 6am and watched it early Thursday morning...and collapsed with exhaustion. Perhaps you'll have similar 'luck' this week.
As for visiting shooting locations, I'm kicking myself for not going to Martha's Vineyard for the "Jaws" 30th reunion and movie tour back in 2005. Spielberg...Dreyfuss...fuck...ROY SCHIEDER were all there! I missed all that! The pics from that event make me so jealous. I vow to make it there one summer soon.
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That sounds like what they tried to do with Mash and it bombed. Speaking of Mash I live in Thousand Oaks, CA and in the next city in Simi Valley is where they filmed Mash. I need to go check it out sometime. From what I hear Wierd Al Yankovick lives her in Thousand Oaks.
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Thousand Oaks is indeed the land of dreams.
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Hi guys,
Love the script writing Cheif. As for after LOST I'm up for Hawaii. Nearly have enough miles to get there now, and with possibly going to Budapest next week...
Oh yeah...I may be going to Budapest next week. Maybe not though. Last minute thing and the PTB are scoping everything with a skeptical eye. I should know today.
Other than that, #1 in the south ain't bad after a miserable game Saturday. Go Heels. And congrats to Spartan fans for a #2 and any others that are dancing. -
#2 seed yes, but in the toughest region by far with four conference champions and being made to play redhot USC in the second round. I wish I was fucking Duke so I could be put in the easiest bracket and play my first two games at HOME. Horse. Shit.
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Episode 5.16/5.17 - The Incident
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MSU is going to lose to USC. Mark my words. I have no confidence in the team whatsoever. Summers and Morgan are headcases. Suton and Allen are inconsistent. Lucas is shaky in the clutch. Walton is not an effective scorer. Lucious turns over the ball and is inexperienced. Roe is not 100% and probably never will be. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost to Robert Morris quite honestly.
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The Pearl Necklace
The Tramp Post
The Flamer
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Scamper Buckingham, Abigal Cliff and Pepi Grindstone find a Dildo Initiative hatch know as "The Flamer"...Pepi sits down at a computer and "Enters 69"...gang bang ensues.
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investigate the "Pearl Necklace" hatch...They watch a "Sexual Orientation" film....gang bang ensues.
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Not only that but a set report for "The Incident" which is the finale and the Press Release for 5.11 "Whatever Happened Happened which looks like its then that we get to find out what Kate did with Aaron.
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Not only that but a set report for "The Incident" which is the finale and the Press Release for 5.11 "Whatever Happened Happened which looks like its then that we get to find out what Kate did with Aaron.
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does the pearl necklace station show video feeds of the lustaways fucking in other dildo initiative hatches?
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god this has been a long 2 weeks! only one more day to go. lost day is a glorious oasis in the middle of this week of hell (final exams- 3 in 2 days!), but i'm off to vegas on friday!! damn, its been quiet in here. can't wait to have a new ep to theorize on
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They can watch everyone getting busy from the Pearl Necklace hatch...While Mike Randi has his way with the "Vacuum Tube".
Day is crawling by...Can't wait to get into some Jagger and green beer soon. Maybe a few Irish Car Bombs.
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go hand in hand. plus a bunch of my friends happened to be going this weekend also. fortuitous
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"you must monitor the activities of the other dildo initiative stations. by using the vacuum tube to suck yourself off, we will evaluate the volume of spunk produced to determine how well the test subjects are fucking. this data will be used to modify the core values of the orgazetti equation, allowing humanity to achieve eternal orgasm."
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If you think this is slow just wait till May 14th the day after the finale. Nothing for 8 months.
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And a special Happy St. Pats wish to you MP!
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And Hobo, I've got faith in MSU, even if you don't!
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Well, a new TB coming in 24 hours. You over active imagination perverts wrote me into a porn parody! I've got to shied the young'ns eyes when I log on here now! As I posted earlier, no Lost for me until probably Saturday. I get back Friday night, just in time for an MSU BBall game. But that "Incident" episode sounds crazy - can't wait!
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"Daddy...What's a dildo?"!!
OMG...Cover yer eyes!! Cover yer eyes!!
Well...after two long weeks of nothing to talk about...I think the LUST talk was inevitable. But once the new TB starts, I think we can move our 'smut' talk to the AICN Room 23 CHAT room where it belongs! Lol!!
Goodbye "LaFleur" talkback...I'll miss you! I'm off for some Irish Car Bombs and some green beer. Ya'll party safely...and...I'll see ya in another talkback, brutha. -
Looks like Im going to be staying away from the AICN Room 23 CHAT room for awile.
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I think you're the one TB'er around that's just slightly more conservative than me! You stay off the roads now, Cheif Brody, and don't drink and steer a boat either!
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Emilie de Ravin: From Lost Princess to Indie Queen, Exclusive: Lost Fans Invited to Weigh In on Season Finale, Kristin - Sawyer, Season 5 Schedule and Two Hour Finale Confirmed!!, Get your own Dharma Initiative Jumpsuit & Suiting up for 'Lost'. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
That should get you through a slow Wednesday! -
Yeah we're few here.
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Mar 17, 2009 11:19:56 PM CDT
Lost Fans Invited to Weigh In on Season Finale
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
Darlton is inviting fans to choose this years secret nickname or Frozen Donkey Wheel.
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season 1&2 were bread related. are we going to keep going with the animal-themed nicknames? this is how non-creative i am. i sat here for 5 minutes, and can't come up with anything
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Um...that's my only suggestion for the Season Finale code name.
Pa...just joshin about the Room 23 Chat, brutha. we'll keep it clean in there, too. (Unless Barfy Dog shows up...then all bets are off!)...Pa, You're the ying...I'm the yang. I think we both know our roles. I respect the hell out of you, my dude.
PS...I'm drunk.
I cabbed it the whole way, BigE...I'll leave the DUI's to the cast of LOST.
God...I hope Ed Shrinker is FIRST tomorrow.
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My guess is the new LOST post will be at 4:08 PM EST.
next... -
I'm thinkin Herc may be chompin at the bit to get this thing up after such a long LOST break...I'm guessing...
2:23 PM EST.
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"The Monkeys Uncle"
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i agree, i think herc is going to put it up on the early side
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