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WonderCon: Quint on TERMINATOR panel, new footage and trailer! Info on Arnie and Robert Patrick! Plus the WATCHMEN panel!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with another WonderCon report, this time covering TERMINATOR: SALVATION. I’m also going to go ahead and throw in the Watchmen panel info here, too, since there wasn’t much discussed, with over a quarter of the panel time being taken up by the first 20 minutes of the film that has been reported about all over the place for months. Let’s go Watchmen first… I have an interview with Zack Snyder that will be running in a couple of days that covers a lot of ground, so keep an eye out for that one. Here are some pics from the panel and a few tidbits of interesting trivia brought up.

On the panel were Zack Snyder, Dave Gibbons, Malin Akerman, Billy Crudup, Jackie Earle Haley, Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Patrick Wilson. - Snyder was saying that on his European Press tour people kept asking about a sequel… he said he got that question at least 40 times… this was all brought up because someone from the audience asked about a sequel. Snyder laughed and said, “No. Not with me, anyway.”

- Snyder called the movie Depression-era cinema… It’s like a regular movie with 40 more minutes at no extra cost! - First scene they shot was a Dr. Manhattan scene, the late ‘60s Christmas moment between Manhattan and Janey, where their relationship starts to crumble. - Patrick Wilson was the first person cast, Billy Crudup the last. - Jackie Earle Haley got the movie because he recorded an audition tape of him in his living room doing one of the psychiatric scenes from the prison. He also shot the scene where he’s unmasked and screams out “Give me back my face!” The homemade Rorschach mask looked ridiculous, apparently, and he shot that scene in his kitchen, but even through all that Snyder said he instantly knew he found Rorschach. Jackie was an early choice and he informed much of the rest of the casting, which was one of the reasons why it wasn’t an “Ocean’s 11” style star-studded film. That’s about all I gleaned from the panel that hasn’t been covered a few dozen times.

Now onto Terminator! McG came out swinging, as always. He retold many of the same stories (going to Cameron for his blessing, getting denied, but saying he was headed in an interesting direction… Cameron said something like he has the privilege of the fan to wait and see it before saying if he likes it or not), all geared towards convincing us that the movie’s going to rock.

I think he needs to cut back on the hard sell a bit. There is enough footage getting out that he can move past that and let the footage speak for itself… and it will. The new trailer, which, like Trek, is premiering on Watchmen, is great and the footage they showed (two long scenes) is exciting. Let me start off by describing some of the new trailer and then move onto the footage and the panel tidbits. The trailer, which McG promised will “kick your balls up into your ass,” starts out a bit like the badass teaser trailer for TERMINATOR 2, with an assembly line of endoskeletons. I could be wrong, but they looked like T-800s… might be the T-700s we’re hearing so much about. Anyway, there’s a voice-over by Christian Bale as John Conner saying the humans are outnumbered as we see glimpses of the deserted wastelands and then what looks to be a giant warehouse sized pen with humans like cattle crammed into it. Then we see Bale speaking into a CB, continuing his speech and saying, “If you’re listening to this, you’re part of the resistance.” Then he continues on to say how humans are being captured by the machines now, studied… all in an attempt to replicate human tissue. We see the same stuff we’ve seen before, the giant robot hand picking people up Then we see some new footage of Sam Worthington badly injured, brought in to the HQ. He’s on an operating table and we see his point of view as Bryce Dallas Howard starts working on him. Her eyes widen as she cuts through his shirt, stunned by what she sees. Then Common hits us in the face with his rifle and when it fades up again it’s Christian Bale brooding at us. The next shot has Sam Worthington chained up, out of focus in the background, his chest exposed, but blurry… obviously hints of metal can be seen. Bryce is talking to Bale saying “This is something we’ve never seen before.” Worthington says his name is Marcus Wright and Bale responds, “You think you’re human?” Worthington says, “I am human.” Bale looks at him for a beat and then moves, in releasing the chain binding his head, allowing Worthington to look down at his chest. He lets it sink in then screams. Then we see a scene at a lake, which I’ll describe later as they showed that whole sequence. But Marcus is in the lake and Conner is screaming at him from the bank. “What are you?!?” “I don’t know.” The trailer is winding up for the big finale at this point, seeing scenes of Mad Max-like chase between the heroes and the motorcycle terminators that look a lot like the deathcycle Freddy Kruger turns into in one of the later NIGHTMARE films, but what I hadn’t seen before was the conclusion to this chase, taking place on a bridge as a Hunter-Killer flies overhead and blows the bridge. The tow-truck driven by Marcus with Kyle Reese onboard slams to a stop and swerves, swinging one of the terminator cycle things via the crane around and slamming into the H-K as it’s aiming its lasers at the vehicle. The coolest parts of the trailer were seeing what looked to be T-800 endoskeletons fighting. The effects looked shockingly great. I never in a million years would think that I’d like CGI terminators, but they looked fantastic… their fluid movement and types of actions the only thing giving away the effect. Like we see a throw-back to T1 with the upper torso of an endoskeleton crawling after someone, pulling itself along the ground. And in another shot we see a full head to toe shot of what looks to be a T-800 model jumping down a step in a cramped, heavily mechanized (but dirty and rundown) room. The final shot is Marcus standing in the darkness, half his face burnt away and the endoskeleton showing underneath. He looks to camera and says, “I’m the only hope you have” as the Terminator theme kicks in and we see a high aerial shot of a machine landscape… two explosions happen and we see it’s the poster art, with the explosions being the Terminator’s eyes and the landscape forming the rough shape of the skull. It looked pretty sharp and I’m warming to the idea of the “good” Terminator helping out the cause… although I’m still not convinced that a total humans vs. robots movie wasn’t the right way to go. But I am warming to the idea. Before the first bit of footage, McG called out for the biggest Terminator fan in the audience and got an immediate and resounding whoop from close to the front. McG called for the guy to come up and, amazingly, it was Tim, the Asian Arnold Schwarzenegger voice-impressionist from Comic-Con! If you don’t know who I’m talking about, click here and scroll down! Here he is:

Anyway, McG and the cast freaked out. “It’s you!” and Tim got up on stage and sat in on the panel offering up choice Schwarzenegger quotes from time to time. Gas Station Chase footage: The first thing I noticed was the score, which was very much Brad Fiedel’s Terminator music… very mechanical, a lot of clanging of metals, but ambient. It’s a quiet scene, as our heroes (Worthington, Anton Yelchin and a little girl they’re traveling with) stop at an abandoned gas station to fuel up. Even though it’s a quiet scene, the underlying score gave me a bit of a geek-boner. My instinct is that it’s temp score from the previous films and not Danny Elfman’s score from the film, but I hope I’m wrong. I’ll be very happy if Elfman delivers a score that relies so heavily on the type of music that came before it. The heroes load their weapons and investigate the store, looking for supplies. Kyle Reese senses someone is there and they’re surrounded by scavengers, human survivors aiming weapons at the group and yelling for them to not move. An old, white-haired lady steps up and says they will not leave until the little girl has been fed, showing some kindness in this world. This starts a fight amongst the group, but it’s clear this woman has some pull. A subtle vibration fills the room and a bottle shatters… suddenly, one of the scavengers is clutching his bloody throat, and the giant harvester arms shoot in, grabbing people up, starting with the white-haired old lady. The scavengers scatter, trying to drive away, but each vehicle that tries to escape gets blown to bits by the giant machine, which does indeed look a tad like Bay’s Transformers, but more real-world mechanical… Like when it stands tall, the machine lets out exhaust, like a big rig. The harvester stores the people in itself and after it thinks the escapees are all dealt with, it puts the humans into a Hunter-Killer that lowers out of the sky. Reese stops Marcus from driving away in an armored tow truck, seeing that everybody who tries gets blown off the road immediately. So, the hit up a tanker that still has gas left in it, and they devise a plan… Knocking the cap off and spilling gas in their wake, they charge the tanker through what’s left of the gas station at the feet of the giant harvester as it’s unloading the freshly plucked humans and dumping them into the H-K. I guess the tanker was attached somehow to the tow truck as they ram it into the machine and then drive away, Kyle Reese shooting at it, but it doesn’t explode. The harvester has recovered from the impact and is trying to free itself from the crumpled tanker and the little girl, sitting between Reese and Marcus, offers up a flare. Marcus throws it out the window at the gas trail and it ignites, setting off a huge explosion that takes the gas station with it… Not sure what happened to the people, but I assume they didn’t just say, “Fuck the humans being put into the H-K… kablooey!” Anyway, their victory is short as the Harvester walks through the fire, not damaged much, but giving them enough time to speed out of range. Two of the moto-terminators branch off of the harvester and give chase. Oh, and we see Terminator vision earlier on in this scene as the Harvester targets the escaping vehicles… red and graphicy, like in the original movies. Anyway, then we get the big chase scene, including one of the big shots of the new trailer, which is a car hit by the tow truck flipping over and into the path of the chasing moto-terminators. We see Terminator vision again as the moto-termintor scans the car about to hit crash into it and lays down almost flat, the front wheel swinging around back and the back wheel now front, narrowly avoiding the wreck. Kyle Reese shoots at the chasing robots with this shot gun as the little girl loads another weapon (I really liked this aspect… gotta love kids taking action in these kinds of movies) that Kyle eventually uses to blow one of the pursuing moto-terminators. The other is taken out by the hanging tow chain, which has a large ball on it… it’s released and Marcus swerves, causing the ball to get caught in the moto-terminator. Now it’s dragging behind them, unable to regain control… then they get to the bridge and the scene I was walking about at the end of the trailer, where the tow truck is confronted with an H-K and it slams to a stop, sending the moto-terminator on the chain at the H-K, damaging it. There was some language in the footage, but I don’t remember if there were any F-bombs, just some “shits” and a “goddamnit” or two. Scene #2, the water terminators: This scene takes place at night, a stark contrast to the chase scene, which was in harsh sunlight. John Connor is in a helicopter as they approach a small lake. On the shore is a small strip of trees that are on fire, illuminating the scene. Somebody leans out and drops a red flare into the water. Connor calls out, “Do you see them?” as the guy leans outside the chopper looking down, seeing the redness of the flare bright under the water. A long, squid-like machine jumps out of the water and clamps onto the guy leaning out, sending the chopper into a spin that ultimately has it crashing into the water. We get a Wilhelm Scream from the guy attacked by the hydrobot, by the way. Connor’s side of the chopper is above the water. He reaches in to the water for his co-pilot, who is taken by the water terminators, leaving only a bloody pool where he once was. Connor jumps out into the waist-deep water, trying to get to the shore. He has his automatic rifle up in an instant, swinging around and shooting at the surface of the water as a half-dozen of these machines come for him. The angle cuts back and forth from above the water (over Bale’s shoulder) and below the water (behind Bale’s legs) as we see these terminators taken out by his fire and sinking dead in the water, while more swim up. He nails all but one as he runs out of ammo. The hydrobot is almost on him when Marcus jumps out of nowhere and wrestles it into submission. This is Marcus from the end of the trailer, half his human face gone. Bale has a pistol out. He doesn’t trust him. “I know what you are, even if you don’t!” Marcus replies, “That gun isn’t going to stop shit!” Connor says, “No one’s shot you in the heart and I see that thing beating a mile a minute.” I couldn’t see it, so maybe that’ll be in post, that Marcus has a human heart somewhat exposed in his chest cavity. That makes sense. I’ve heard that his character is a kind of hybrid terminator/human thing. Before Connor pulls the trigger we find out from Marcus that Kyle Reese is captured and is in Skynet. If Connor kills this terminator he’ll never be able to rescue him. Marcus says he can get Connor in and we get the “I’m the only hope you have” line from the new trailer. He says he needs to find who did this to him and Connor lowers the pistol as Marcus backs into the water. “What are you?” “I don’t know.” So now lets get onto the panel. - It was McG, Anton Yelchin, Bryce Dallas Howard, Common and Moon Bloodgood. - McG said he wants to know something about Moon and she replies immediately with “34C” - Turns out she’s not far off. McG wanted the audience to cheer on whether or not we want to see her tits in the movie, which I can only imagine was incredibly uncomfortable for the girl. Apparently, he was trying to show the WB people that the crowds and fans want boobs (ie R-rated) in their Terminator movie. - McG is dedicating the movie to Stan Winston - To much laughter, Anton Yelchin talked about worshipping Terminator growing up and that that he hopes this new film “honors the legacy of the two films.” I’m with him. Terminator 3 doesn’t count.

- McG dropped that Skynet is gathering all these people in order to rip their stem cells out of them, using that as their main study for replicating human tissue. I didn’t attend the roundtable, but I hear McG dropped a lot of info there, regarding the Governator (he was very unspecific on the panel) and his involvement as well as a possible involvement of Robert Patrick in the next film in McG’s Terminator series. I’ll let Randy of fill you guys in on what was discussed in the roundtable:

Hi Herc and Harry (Harry, ABking says hi), I was also at the WonderCon T4 roundtables. I might have another very cool exclusive for you. spoke with McG at Wondercon and McG told us he loves the CG Arnold and it's good to go in the film. He also told us that Robert patrick will be in T5 as a 60 year old scientist! McG at last gave confirmation that Arnold will be in T4 and that he is blown away by the ILM Arnold footage by academy award winner Charlie Gibson. TheArnoldFans: Let's talk Arnold. What's the latest with the ILM footage. How does the young CG Arnold look? McG: Ah, it looks reeeeeaal good. (McG confesses and sounds totally impressed and proud at last). Arnold just saw the movie two nights ago. That's right Arnold fans, you heard it; because Arnold liked very much what he saw with Terminator Salvation and his CG likeness, he scheduled a call-back for the director. Arnold wants to do business! McG: I'm going to see him AGAIN shortly and we're going to discuss what he wants to do and to what degree. TheArnoldFans: And he'll possibly record more dialogue? McG: yeah! Our next big exclusive comes from asking about the return of the T-1000 played by Robert Patrick! We will have the return of the T-1000 but McG told me we'll have to wait until Terminator 5 for him to come back as a clone! TheArnoldFans: Will we possibly have a return of Robert Patrick in a CG form? McG: Funny, I talk to Robert Patrick with great regularity. It's interesting and i'll bounce it off of you guys (McG begins to lower his voice and leans in closer to me so the other press tables don't hear). I mean, I like the idea and the perspective for the next picture that you meet Robert Patrick the way he looks today...and he's a scientist that's working on, you know, improving cell replication so we can stay healthier and we can cure diabetes and do all these things that sound like good ideas...and to once again live as idealized expressions as ourselves. So imagine seeing a 60-year-old Robert Patrick and KNOWING 'holy shit' that's GOING TO BE the T-1000 who comes back perfect, lean and the whole thing (McG makes the T-1000 "naughty naughty" finger swaying movement). I haven't concluded that but Robert and I had dinner the other night.

Wow, McG wasn’t holding back at those roundtables, was he? Overall, I have to say the footage looks really damn good. It’s the first thing I’ve seen that sells me on Anton Yelchin as Kyle Reese. I’m still a bit worried about all the throwbacks… McG talked about referencing the shotgun rope sling, the trenchcoat and the Nikes, which… I guess is okay, but I kinda like that Reese has to improvise when he drops into “the present day” and just uses what’s around, not something he’s already wearing somehow in the future. But visually the footage looked like a million bucks and the performances all seemed to be there. I think the trailer will push a lot of people over the edge. It’s a really well done trailer that sells the right things.

That’s it for that panel. I’m not sure what else I can cover as I was out doing interviews during most of the 9 panel (which I can’t cover for conflict of interest reasons anyway... if anybody else out there saw the panel and wants to report on the footage shown, drop an email!), UP panel and Pandorum Panel. I did get an interview with Ben Foster for PANDORUM, though, so keep an eye out for more info on that in the coming days! -Quint

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  • March 1, 2009, 5:09 a.m. CST


    by Laya Maheshwari

  • March 1, 2009, 5:10 a.m. CST

    So you didn't see the PANDORUM footage?

    by calvart

    How did you interview Ben Foster then?

  • March 1, 2009, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Yes!!!!!! I win!!!!

    by Laya Maheshwari

    Suck it all the haters!!!!

  • March 1, 2009, 5:13 a.m. CST


    by Quint

    No, I didn't see the footage. I interviewed him after his autograph signing, which, granted, would have gone much better had I seen the footage, but it turned out alright, I think. He just has to describe the flick to me a bit more than if I hadn't seen it, which might work out better in the long run since the footage isn't out for you guys to see yet either.

  • March 1, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST

    YES! This sounds AMAZING!

    by IamTheSisko

    And there's not a bit of sarcasm-nope, not one drop! <a href="">Maladjusted Productions</a>

  • March 1, 2009, 5:20 a.m. CST

    I'm really not being sarcastic...

    by IamTheSisko

    I am eagerly awaiting the new movie! LONG LIVE AH-NOLD!

  • March 1, 2009, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Yup. NOW I'm actually interested...

    by King_Knut

  • March 1, 2009, 5:55 a.m. CST

    It's McG folks

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Going to be terrible. The Terminator story came to a natural close at the end of T2. Everything since is a cynical moneymaking exercise.

  • March 1, 2009, 6:21 a.m. CST

    It's too bad Christian Bale and Shane Hurlbut weren't there

    by Mr. Pricklepants

    That would have been interesting.

  • March 1, 2009, 6:21 a.m. CST


    by Rei-Ginsei

    At least they didn't have Bale floundering in the lake, then have Worthington extend his hand and say "Come with me if you want to live." Think they'll manage to squeeze the line in there somewhere?

  • March 1, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST


    by emteem

    The Terminator story came to a natural close at the end of The Terminator.

  • March 1, 2009, 6:33 a.m. CST

    And yet...

    by emteem

    ...the fact that there was no pressing need for T2 didn't stop it from being good. This could be too.

  • March 1, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST

    It's still McG, it's still PG-13...

    by Motoko Kusanagi still involves a tranformating giganto-bot and uncrewed evil motobikes. <p>How the fuck should I get a geek-boner from that?! You tell me.<p>T2 was, is and ever will be the ne plus ultra of all TERMINATOR movies.<p>An Arnold cameo won't save this trainwreck. You heard it here first.

  • March 1, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Of course there will be no Watchmen sequel, but watch out for 3-

    by ev1ldead

    1. Minutemen 2. Rorschach & Nite Owl - The Dynamic Duo (This will become a Spin-off series) 3. The Life of Silk Spectre - Superheroine by night, Superslut by day 4. Jon Blue Balls - Mall God 5. Electric Boogaloo: Nixon too

  • March 1, 2009, 6:56 a.m. CST


    by ev1ldead


  • March 1, 2009, 6:56 a.m. CST

    yeah this will be PG 13 because McG is a pussy

    by most excellent ninja

    this "no comprimise" is bullshit. Dark Knight was a good movie but of course there was comprimise, it couldn't be as brutal as the comics. And you can't compare a movie which had to be PG-13 to a Terminator movie which is an R Rated franchise. It's a fucking war movie. Since when have War movies that are PG-13 been any good? tell me. You can't McG! And that's because you didn't see shit. In other news I liked the fact that when Bale went apeshit at that unprofessional DP it was because he was in character as John Conner. Now we know John Conner turned out to be a badass.

  • March 1, 2009, 6:58 a.m. CST


    by most excellent ninja

    Do you enjoy reading shit like US weekly? of course you do. fucking cunts on this site.

  • March 1, 2009, 7 a.m. CST

    Yeah. DARK KNIGHT being PG-13...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...was one of the few things that really bothered me. The opening bank robbery could've been soo much better and more evil with the addition of a little more violence/blood. The unbloody shooting of the bank manager for example (William Fichtner) was pretty laughable. Bummer!

  • March 1, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi

    They should've at least blown up one of the two ferries.<p>But they pussied out there. Bummer #2!

  • March 1, 2009, 7:06 a.m. CST

    A few months ago everybody complained about TDK's...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...PG 13 because they thought the rating is too low for such a dark and violent movie and now they are complaing that the PG 13 pussyfied it instead?

  • March 1, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    I am fine with this sequel.

    by CorpseRide

    Because as far as I am concerned, there are two ways of considering 'Terminator' - the flawless original movie, and then the franchise as a whole, which I can accept with it's ups and downs. But I can separate the original off from that, and enjoy it pretending it ends there if I want, so that's fine.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST


    by theplant

    I'LL BE BACK !!! T4 WILL OWN WATCHMEN !!!!!!!!!!!

  • March 1, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    BALE has chosen this TB and here's why

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    SPOILER: Tom put it on.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    DerLanghaarige One dude is complaining

    by most excellent ninja

    I'm just saying that comparing the need for a PG 13 Batman movie to a PG 13 Terminator movie is ridiculous.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:33 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi fellow countryman: I for my part did not complain about TDK's rating being too low. That's exactly my point: it wasn't violent enough BECAUSE it was a PG-13 movie.<p>I really hate teenie ratings. Really.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Live Free or Die Flaccid, Cobra--Kai...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    The very fact that Christian Bale is on board this fourth TERMINATOR movie, does indeed strengthen me.<p>But the points I listed above are too strong too be overlooked.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    The story never ended with T2

    by SlickyVonBoner

    At the end Linda Hamilton's voice over states that they are heading towards an uncertain future, or something like that. She had hoped that she stopped Judgement Day. Besides, isn't this the Terminator movie we wanted to see? Instead of another terminator coming back in time to kill young adult/teen/fetal John Conner.

  • March 1, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    Are there videos of the Asian Arnold dude?

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    I want to hear his impression.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST


    by CloneWars

    Did the rating came out already? PG-13?

  • March 1, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST

    The only way...

    by CloneWars

    the movie could get an R rating is if Watchmen makes a shitload of money! An the suits get some brains from stem cells!

  • March 1, 2009, 8:06 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I'm afraid, I will watch T4.<p>It's not that I hope that it's a crappy/mediocre/disappointing movie, but all things that I've seen and heard so far do not bode well for McG's flick.<p>I do love the TERMINATOR franchise though (maybe except for the shitty SCC), so I definitely hope this will be good. Somehow.<p>I'd just prefer a hard-R future war action movie with total fucking destruction, carnage and no hope for mankind.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:09 a.m. CST

    The problem with the R-Rating...

    by Motoko Kusanagi, that you have to shoot the movie with that in mind. All that I've seen so far looks like they wanted a teenage dollar milk cow. You can't just add a few blood-soaked CGI-effects and get an r-rated flick. It's just not the same.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:18 a.m. CST

    this article has bale and watchmen?

    by compn

    do you want me to trash your fucking squid?

  • March 1, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Don't even try it.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Yes it is the end of the world. I mean the real one.

    by Shan

    "Terminator Salvation director McG has said that his forthcoming action movie is more realistic than blockbuster rival Transformers."

  • March 1, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    gunfight heavy pg-13 movies suck

    by compn

    go on, name me a pg13 movie with a bunch of gunfights that doesnt suck.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Despite McG having yet to prove himself...

    by rbatty024

    I'm actually looking forward to T4. Ever since I saw the first movie I wanted to see a future wars film. I always wondered why the third film didn't just jump ahead and give the audience what it really wanted: John Connor killing exoskeletons in the future. Instead, they decided to remake T2. I'm cautiously optimistic for this one. In fact, more optimistic than I am for The Watchmen.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:32 a.m. CST

    "McG wanted the audience to cheer on whether or not we want to s

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Yeah, we got a real artist at work here.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    see her tits in the movie"

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    This franchise is fucked. It's in the hands of a frat boy.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    wait......that little shit is Kyle Reese?

    by Cedar_Room

    it wasn't until the very end that I picked that up. er.....what?? Sounds shit. And no - you don't need to reference the nikes, trenchcoat and shotgun sling - because these were simply things Kyle Reese found lying around. He needed some shoes - so he put on the Nikes. He needed to cover himself up - so he got the trenchcoat. He needed to hide his gun - so he well you get the idea. It really doesn't hold any other significance than that. Stop referencing cool moments from the old films and just make some new cool moments!! Ones that in 20 years times the geeks will still be talking about! THAT is your job McGimp.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST


    by floggy bottom

    Is a FAR better and timeline-wise correct film than that bloated, overrated POS T2.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    I will say this...

    by UltimaRex

    If any of the hacks can turn gold it's McG.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:45 a.m. CST

    I'm so glad

    by kaylum

    to read nearly universal praise of Haley's work as Rorschach...I found him the most compelling character in the book, so that was a dealbreaker for me more than anything else, and it sounds like they really got it right!

  • March 1, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    by compn

    ahh you got me cobra-kai. funny i remember bond movies being much more violent...

  • March 1, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    t2 hate

    by compn

    reading the 'hated it' comments at imdb are funny, especially when reading the other reviews from those users.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    I am sick of two things. T2 love and Bale hate

    by Cotton McKnight

    1) Terminator 2 was not THAT good. It was basically a 2 hour universal studios adventure ride. How any of you look over the absolutely ridiculous plot holes stupefies me. My guess is that you all are remembering the aww and wonder that came with seeing it for the first time. Yeah, the morphing Terminator was "cool". Never saw anything like that before. Oh, and there's blood, too! Oh boy! Seriously, though, folks. The movie has no "balls" and Terminator 3, for better or worse, did what Cameron wouldn't do- move the story forward in a meaningful way.<br><br><br>2) Bale was right on with his rant. That's really all that needs to be said. I'm glad he did it. It shows me that he actually cares about this project. And yeah, the guy he was yelling at was an absolute idiot. <br><br><br> Post Script- were there "tits" in any Terminator movie? If there was in the kyle/sarah scene in T1, I don't remember it and it certainly wasn't a selling point for me. I'm not a liberal, and i'm not an activist, but that comment was offensive on so many levels.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST

    How Terminator 2 SHOULD have gone

    by Cotton McKnight

    Same setup- Arnolds the good guy, blah blah blah, but Skynet has really started to develop and is ready to make it's move. Why? Because of the arm found at that factory. <br><br><br>By the middle of the movie, Sarah Connor realizes that it's hopeless and starts switching from offense to defense. It would be subtle, but at some point Edward Furlong starts yelling "MOM!!!! What are you doing!?" And you really start thinking that she is nuts- which the first part of the movie established. She figures out the only way to save John is to convince him that they are still fighting- that there is still hope. She gets killed, and it's just Arnie and John now. Like T3, John is misled into thinking that a bunker is a command center that ends it all. Arnold and Robert Patrick duke it out, and boom. The world ends.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    T2 has "no balls"?

    by BizarroJerry

    C'mon. Arnold grabbing a knife and tearing off his own arm with some chick screaming in horror? Or any one of a number of scenes. Honestly, if you're not a fan of T2, why would you be interested in the franchise.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    What about T3 and the TV show?

    by BizarroJerry

    Nobody asked how this show will connect to the TV series, if at all? I mean, I liked the idea of continuing the series, but why put out Terminator 3, The Sarah Connor Chronicles and the Salvation movie all around the same time if none of them will have any bearing on the other two?

  • March 1, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    whats with the t3 love?

    by compn

    the girl terminator isnt scary. clair danes screams for 90% of the movie, then the last 10 minutes she turns into linda hamilton. does t3 even explain why skynet goes ballistic against the humans?

  • March 1, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    T2 haters are a strange species.

    by rbatty024

    They're kind of like the guys on street corners talking about how everyone's going to hell. No matter how loud they yell no one is really listening.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Not really a T3 fan

    by BizarroJerry

    But the best thing about it is the fact that they had the balls to end it without a happy ending and the bombs falling anyway. I suppose T3 may still lead into Salvation.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    In regards to T4

    by Dancingforever

    I'm optimistic.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Cotton McKnight...I'm sick of T2 haters!

    by TurdontheRun

    Nobody's remembering the 'awe' and 'cool' with rose-tinted glasses, because some of us have watched it fairly recently, and quite objectively. It still holds up. T2 actually moved the movie forward, by giving us the polar opposite themes of T1 - arnie as a good terminator, and the future being open to change as opposed to fixed (whether it's one or the other is left up for you to decide - god forbid anybody has to do some thinking), not to mention developing sarah connor's character on from where she was in the first movie, and dealing with the nuclear war aspect, which was barely dealt with in the first movie. all that on top of some of the greatest action ssequences in cinema history, good characterization, story structure, humour and dozens of iconic moments - not to mention it was a proper R-rated release (not a pretend one like T3 which was one of the softest R-rated films I've ever seen). T2 had no balls? er, nuclear blast scene? the attempted assasination of Dyson? T-1000 spearing people through the eyes and mouths? T3 looked like a colorful children's cartoon by comparison; an appalling and tentative remake of T2 which only served to set up a money-making future war trilogy which we're getting now. oh, wait a minute - it had a female playboy centrefold terminator with inflatable breasts, just to titilate all the geek virgins in the audience! woo hoo, long live T3!

  • March 1, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Terminator angst

    by Rupee88

    this sounds somewhat novel, but also really dumb.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    I will admit that T3 did one thing right.

    by rbatty024

    And that's the nuclear war at the end. Unfortunately, that decision was probably made because Fox was planning on doing a future war series all along. In other words, they made the right choice but for the wrong reason: money.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST

    I Agree With Diarrhea!

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Um... I mean TurdontheRun.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I've been saying it for months- this looks GOOD!

    by YackBacker

    I can't wait to see this thing- biggest surprise blockbuster of the year.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    They asked Bale to appear

    by DaBUU

    but the convention hall was too small to hold his massive energy

  • March 1, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Santi01, if by energy you mean ego...

    by rbatty024

    then I agree entirely.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST


    by darwinmayflower

    MCG's tits comment is absolutely unacceptable. Unless he issues an apology, I will boycott.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    T2 was classic Cameron

    by Flyingcircus

    Well paced, great action scenes (How about the one where Arnie climbs up on the hood of the semi and unloads in T-1000's face?) but I could have done without the "cutesy" bits like Arnie's "I need a vacation" line.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    urgh, cheering for tits, humiliating

    by lex romero

    Seriously, how fucking horrible did that sound. "Mur this is a serious film we need nudity it was tasteful and important....cheer if ya want sum titties!!! wooo! yaY!" The all male geek audience whoop and cheer whilst masturbating over moon bloodgood who sits there saying "hellz yeah u wanna see these 34C twins?!" I hope she enjoys her career as an "actress".

  • March 1, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Why all the Terminator 3 hate?


    Sure, it had a lot of shortcomings but it was a very watchable action flick. Terrible villain, yeah. But there were a few great set pieces and I thought the ending was pretty damn great. If this is terrible, you'll all be writing love notes to T3. HINT: this won't live up to the first 2 either. So stop hoping.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    In Re: T4 - What A Bunch Of Fucking Amatuers!

    by LaserPants

    There is not one, NOT ONE professional involved in this project. THEY ARE TOTALLY TRASHING MY SCENE!! FUCK! Me and T4? We are done professionally. Fuckin' ass.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST


    by emteem

    You must have seen some weird cut of T3 because in the version released theatrically Claire Danes does not scream for 90% of the movie and then turn into Linda Hamilton for the final 10 minutes.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    T2 = Steam Fried Mediocre Michael Bay Shit

    by LaserPants

    Cameron created the Michael Bay aesthetic with T2: WE WUB WOO ROBODADDY. I've said it before. It still rings true. T2 is the work of a Total Fucking Amateur. Cameron, in effect, TRASHED IS OWN SCENE with T2! Fuckin' ASS!

  • March 1, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I think it would be cool

    by RockLobster800

    if Robert Patrick showed up in a Superman sequel as Metallo...and just played the role the same way as he did Johny Cash's dad. It could have a great confrontation at the fortress of solitude...Metallo:"what, this place aint even got no pots or pans?" Superman "I just moved in Metallo" "Metallo:"big old red cape...nuthin...big old fortess made out of crystal...nuthin...big old super powers fueled by the sun...nuthin" case you cant tell, its a slow hangover sunday here..Ive been amusing myself all morning by coming up with alternate lyrics to Shes Like The Wind-"just some poo in a treee..."

  • March 1, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    T3 was awful

    by LabattsBleu

    the graveyard scene was a ripoff, the metallic mannequin that loken looked at was a rip off, the logic of the terminator haven't its own internal arsenal went against the first two...the box office, critics lists don't lie: T3 was a bad movie - even the actors mention it in the story above!!! I would love for someone to explain how the 'timeline was more consistent'?

  • March 1, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    btw, i still think T4 and McGuffin

    by LabattsBleu

    was a bad decision...another 'good' terminator?! geez, how about a balls out humans vs machines movie like the the clips from the first two movies?! I am hopeful that it is more watchable than T3...

  • March 1, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    On The Flip Flip, WATCHMEN Is Looking To Be AMAZING

    by LaserPants

    I think its up around 81% at RT. Haterz, I dub thee PWNED. See ya there opening weekend! I'm sure you'll "hate" it! Even after the 13th rapt viewing that weekend; the crusty detritus of your Double Diabetes Diet drying to scales on thine blubbery folds of fat, shameful, eternally virginal flesh, I'm sure you'll "hate" it... all the way back to mothers basement to vent thine "hate" on the internets, a behavioral glitch, which, as we all know, is a really nothing more than a deflection from your own self-loathing projected outwards on a safe target. Enjoy your misery!

  • March 1, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Well, it's here.

    by bastard_guy180

    Here it is. We've been replaced (actors I mean)CGI has taken over. Great, good, fantastic. This is what we get for sucking George Lucas' CGI cock for years and years. CGI, 24/7, the all-cgi-channel. Congratulations folks. CGI blood, cgi bullets, cgi car chases, fuck I even saw a CGI tarantula on 30 Rock last night. Yep. This is the DEATH KNELL OF CINEMA, congratulations folks. We're officially CTD.... circling the drain. CGI Arnold, oh boy, I can't fucking wait. this move can suck my dick.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST


    by bastard_guy180

    sorry, meant to say movie, ah well, we can just fix it in post production with CGI. you know. cunts.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Those who fuckin' hate T2

    by Al Swearengen

    suck cock by choice.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    T3 Awful?

    by emteem

    That might be hyperbole. Mediocre? That I could definitely support, but I've seen awful before and if T3 was the worst movie I ever had to see then that actually wouldn't be that bad.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Did he actually...

    by CloneWars

    1)He actually calls himself McG? His profesional name no less... 2)He actually surveyed the crowd for the boobs scene! In front of the actresss whose boobs were referenced... 3)He's directing a Terminator movie Aiming for a PG-13 rating... WTF... Sad thing, with all the bitching, I'll probably watch the train wreck the first chance I get... Now I hate even myself...

  • March 1, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Those Who Love T2

    by LaserPants

    Take it in the ass by choice, and not only that, they do ass-to-mouth, and they PAY top dollar for it. They pay to be anally raped. This is the legacy of T2 -- the worlds first CONSENSUAL ANAL RAPE BY FILM.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    did someone say Robert Patrick?

    by Rufferto

    Even if it's the most retarded shit ever I'd still see the Terminator he's in. Why couldn't he of been in this one or the last one? Seriously the acting was horrendous in T3 and I hated the evil terminators. Uggh. Terminators with the power to grow bigger boobs? Save it for the porno! They probably had to kill off Sarah cause Linda Hamilton wouldn't do the shit movie. I did like the end though. But I wished everyone would of died!

  • March 1, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' LaserPants

    by Al Swearengen

    I'm lookin' for a few new whores to turn pussy at my joint. Something tells me that you're into specialty acts. So, what do you say? Do you think your cunt can do God's fuckin' good work whilst I turn a fuckin' profit?

  • March 1, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by donkey_lasher

    ..was for me, a little disappointing and when I saw T3, my expectations were low. I enjoyed both however, but the original pissed all over them.<p> I'm hoping for caterpillar tracks moving over skulls and energy weapons vs ballistic guns.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Because Terminator As Father Figure Is SO Much Better

    by LaserPants

    G-A-Y. Give me exploitorific resizable roboboobs and grindhouse style bathroom brawls between teutonic uberbots ANY FUCKING DAY. As retardo as T3 was, at least it was fun and true to the underlying concept; T2 was a bunch of whiny suburban teenage emo bullshit for the lowest common denominator.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Sorry Swearengen, I Can't Understand What Yer Saying

    by LaserPants

    Can you take Cameron's cock (now encrusted with your shit) out of your mouth and repeat that?

  • March 1, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    I was wondering when that cunt would show up again, like a malignant STD! All those who like T3 take it in the mouth from scat-filled, enema-bled asses! you know this to be true. While all those who worship James 'Jehovah' Cameron and the mighty and utterly masterful T2 will be rewarded with a platter of 70 virgins in the after-life. Hail, hail!Prostrate yourself before T2,yee lowly dogs, for it is thy unholy world's greatest action movie!

  • March 1, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST


    by Kaitain

    "T2 was, is and ever will be the ne plus ultra of all TERMINATOR movies." Garbage. The original movie is the only one worth shit (and is amazing). T2 and T3 are essentially high budget fan fiction (and yes, that is true even if Cameron and Wisher wrote T2). The Terminator is, in its very core, a story about a time loop in a deterministic universe. The heart of the story is THE FUTURE CANNOT ACTUALLY BE CHANGED. T2 takes a piss all over that; it's a metaphysical retcon executed to facilitate a popcorn sequel for the masses.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Hahaal Yeah Well then...

    by Rufferto

    Maybe we should have low expectations for this entire franchise? That kid playing Reece though in this... uggh I do agree it did get ridiculous in T2 and I think Sarah wanted to fuck the terminator. It's will always be my favorite though. You can't warp my sense of nostalgia and no way in hell is the T-whore better then the T1000.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    quint, you shoulda noted that a hearing impaired

    by bacci40

    audience member at the watchmen panel, thanked zack for his visual style, allowing the viewer to understand what was going on without hearing the words...that is pretty cool praise

  • March 1, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by Kaitain

    "As retardo as T3 was, at least it was fun and true to the underlying concept; T2 was a bunch of whiny suburban teenage emo bullshit for the lowest common denominator." I agree. T3 is dumb, but it's dumb fun, and is more in the spirit of the original movie, i.e. a nuclear war DOES ACTUALLY FUCKING HAPPEN. Unlike T2's "oh, it's okay, everything's just great, and robot and man can coexist in harmony and everything's going to be alright". Fuck that shit. The Terminator is about darkness, sacrifice, "so much pain", "It'll never be over, will it?" T2 is teenage date movie pap.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Polar opposite themes of T1

    by Kaitain

    "T2 actually moved the movie forward, by giving us the polar opposite themes of T1" You got that right. T1 was smart, dark and emotionally engaging. T2 was dumb, happy and emotionally retarded.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Damn, Bryce is tasty lookin'.

    by Flip63Hole

  • March 1, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST


    by LabattsBleu

    didn't arnie act as a father figure in the third terminator as well? Albeit the father of a young adult vs a child, but a father figure nonetheless? Hey, when even the actors on T4 are disavowing T3 it says something...but i guess they are just idiots right? And you are right, Watchmen looks great...

  • March 1, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    i wanna bang opie cunningham's daughter

    by bacci40

    nuff said

  • March 1, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    You again,fool?! Didn't we go over this well-trodden ground last time round, wherein you proved to be spectacularly ill-informed,presumptuous, as well as a flagrant and disingenous liar? There is nothing in T2 that says the future has been changed -"the 'unknown' future rolls towards us". But wait, doesn't the smoking gun of the photograph appear in T2 as well, in the scene where John and his buddy have just robbed the ATM machine? We're STILL in the same universe! The question of whether or not the future can be changed is the philosophical question at the heart of the first two movies; which is why a future war film is pointless - anything taking us up to or past judgement day and the 'unknown' future is narratively irrelevant!Its irrelevant whether we actually see judgement day happening or not. Not to mention that, on a pure storytelling and cinematic level, T2 is a meticulously crafted and masterful film, leagues ahead of that camp-fest T3 - and actually, better in many respects than the terrific original. <P> T2 is 'date movie pap'? T1 is just a B slasher movie dressed up in sci-fi finery plundered from Harlan Ellison! It is of course great, and elevated by Cameron's genius at fusing all the elements together, but don't put it up on some gilded pedestal. It doesn't say particularly much - it's just a chase movie with some emotional moments. By the time T2 swung around, he had had more time to think about the philosophical themes and questions he had presented - T2 is, in many aspects, a more mature, reflective film and has a much greater conscience and perspective. <p>Your 'theory', the one you cling to so preciously,that T2 is narratively incompatible with the original, is nothing but arrogant pap,and misplaced belligerent confidence, from the juvenile mind of a social retard who hasn't the good grace to admit he was wrong!Am I lying??

  • March 1, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' LaserPants

    by Al Swearengen

    Listen closely cocksucker, lest I fuckin' bleet. I'm saying I want to hire you to grab ankle at my fuckin' joint. Turn your fuckin' pussy out for my financial fuckin' gain.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Also in T2 the mental hospital scenes

    by Rufferto

    were awesome. I cared about the characters and what happened to them. In t3 I only cared about Sarah even though she wasn't in it and how she just got brushed off and at least kid John o connor had personality.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    I love Bryce

    by mrfan

    Also, I hope the Terminators win. GO TERMINATORS!!!

  • March 1, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    T2 does NOT hold up. The third act is absurd

    by Cotton McKnight

    I mean that was a cop out ending. I'm sorry fellas, but you know it's true. They wind up in a metal factory? REALLY? oh okay, sure. why not. And this isnt relevant to the story but even when I was seventeen, I wondered why in the hell the new terminator needed to have John Connor yell out his mom's name. What the fuck is that about. And don't give me some post script excuse that she would "know" it wasn't John if he just morphed into him and imitated his voice. That's bullshit and you know it. And the whole thumbs up thing? Yeah okay, whatever. It was a stupid, feelgood, hollywood ending that betrayed the original. Judgment day is gone! Hooray!!! <br><br>It can have all the blood and guts it wants but if it isnt afraid to bomb the world (which is honestly the only logical place this franchise can go), then its a wuss ending.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    McG...Respond please...

    by conspiracy

    Given the INSANE amount of professionalism by the majority of the cast, and seeing as how we as the viewing public already know that all trashed, amateur scenes have been cut from your film...can you in fact assure us, that you McG, indeed watched these fucking pricks to ensure that this will indeed be an entertaining, if not the most completely FUCKING DISTRACTING, film of 2009? I'll take my reply off air..thank you.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by Cotton McKnight

    I meant to say if T2 is afraid to bomb the world, then its a wuss movie. It was. I will give you this- everything about the movie leading up to that stupid third act was quite good. But the ending cannot be forgiven.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by donkey_lasher

    I'm a little concerned after reading this review...perhaps Harry was waiting for his cheque to clear ;-) k/entertainment/film/193648/Ro bbie-Collin-gives-first-review -for-Alan-Moore-comic-adaptati on-Watchmen-featuring-dr-Manhattan- Rorschach.html

  • March 1, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Uh... again

    by BizarroJerry

    If you don't like T2, why have any interest in the franchise. Without its sequel and Arnold, the first Terminator would be little more than an entertaining cult classic. T2 ain't the greatest movie ever. But it's a solid action movie. C'mon...

  • March 1, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Bryce: “This is something we’ve never seen before.”

    by Acquanetta

    Bale: "Yeah, and it's FUCKING DISTRACTING!!!"

  • March 1, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Cotton McKnight

    by TurdontheRun

    Who says Judgment Day has been averted? They wind up in a steel mill, the one place in LA where the T-1000 can be destroyed. Coincidence? Or does that not tell you something? <p>So T3 gets a pass for not being afraid to blow up the world? Really? I had no idea that faux-nihilism somehow made a movie more daring, and that a hopeful (not 'happy ending) such as that in T2 makes it a 'wussy' movie. Such immature thinking. The whole ending of T2 was one of hope, nothing to do with mankind living in harmony with the machine, but the ongoing struggle between humans and their desire to create technology which can be used for good or bad, depending on what responsibility those creators take. But then we have dickheads like Kaitain who think T2 was a happy movie? The movie I saw was not a happy one - it was a dark, sometimes harrowing, one, in line with the first, with a cautiously optimistic ending - unlike that garbage T3. Some lighter moments and some broader humour (T1 also had some of this), unlike the farcical and inappropriate humour and silly tone of T3, ending accepted (which was only put in to lead to further films - a monetary decision, not something 'in line with the original)does not equate with a 'happy' movie.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Skin the Hero, Save the World

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Did he cast Beyonce as Sarah Connor?<br> He didn't get to use her for Lois Lane, so I figured he McG'ed her in for this movie

  • March 1, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    People who bitch about T2

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    I honestly don't understand. T3 was essentially a greatest hits version of T2, with the exception that the studio clearly wanted to breathe new life into the franchise by laying the groundwork for the future war. That wasn't "brave" - it was the benjamins. In any event, one scene alone cannot justify an entire movie, especially one which so clearly aped its predecessor. Complaining about plot holes in the Terminator franchise is also a non-starter, since the franchise has never dealt intelligently with time paradoxes or how Skynet realistically could create a fully mechanized empire/army with no human assistance (merely mining the raw materials and powering the entire operation would be impossible). Indeed, the idea that one can change the past without creating a time loop is the conceit upon which the entire series is based.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST



  • March 1, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    T2 was good but the story is full of holes

    by performingmonkey

    It's NOT the natural ending because it's NOT over. The best thing about T3 is the line 'Judgement Day is inevitable'. It HAD to be inevitable, otherwise T1 and 2 couldn't have happened.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    ...if you only count gut size. <br> <br> This guy is growing out, if you know what I mean.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    There are people who hate T2????????

    by TheMcflyFarm

    go fuck yourselves.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Someone was smoking something...

    by SunTzu77

    when he/she cast Anton Yelchin as Kyle Reese. That guy is so dorky and wimpy. Hell, Jamie Bell would have been more believable.

  • March 1, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    The fact they didnt reveal the rating......

    by mr sulu

    ...kinda says its gonna be PG 13 does it not? i mean theres NO WAY McG would have wanted to say all he did and get the fans on his side only to undo it all with a 'hey and guess what...its PG 13!!' on the flip side if it was gonna be R then I think McG would’ve made damn certain hed have revealed it proudly at this thing and said ‘relax everyone...Its R!!’ *cue mass applause from the fans as McG basks in the glory* They'll keep it quiet until its released and hope on one notices... all the other May movies like Wolverine and Trek etc have been rated already...hell even stuff thats coming after has been rated!

  • March 1, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Welcome to the aicn talkbacks, McFly!

    by ev1ldead

    Here are people who hate everything ... just for hates sake. Especially things that everyone else loves.

  • March 1, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    I LOVE That The T2 Hate Is Increasing!

    by LaserPants

    You're FINALLY waking up to how AWFUL it actually is. Its a HOWLINGLY awful piece of shit. Period.

  • March 1, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    Yelchin = McFly

  • March 1, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    So... Metal Can't Go Through Time Travel, Huh?

    by LaserPants

    Then how come a robot, especially one made entirely of liquid metal can? UH OH!!! GAPING PLOT HOLE!!!<br><br> Also, how come 90s CGI Terminator bothers to torture Sarah Connor into calling for her son WHEN HE CAN MIMIC HER BODY AND VOICE??? A trick he pulls like 30 seconds later???<br><br> D-U-M-B. Don't worry, though; just cover it up with boring, labored, clunky, blue-tinted "action" scenes and 'splosions; the lowest common denominator won't notice. <br><br>James Cameron = Michael Bay.

  • March 1, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Watch Streetfighter: Chun-Li

    by Toonol

    If you like Moon Bloodgood's tits. No nudity, but they're propped up for display in every scene she's in.<p> The T2 derangement syndrome is pretty odd; that 0.5% of movie lovers that disliked T2 seem to be driven to a weird rage over the years... perhaps it's a side effect of their taste being constantly dismissed by other fans, even laughed at, year after year.

  • March 1, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST



    Are you out of your mind, T-2 was an undisputed masterpiece. It was tad too mainstream at certain points but it is one of the finest action/sci films of all time. What precisely do you not like about it?

  • March 1, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    T2 hate increasing??!!

    by TurdontheRun

    In your mind maybe, Laserpants? Some nerdish malcontents should really come to the realization that Ain't It Cool Talkbacks ain't reality - put down the smegma encrusted candy wrappers and take your obese, virginal, jabba-like carcass outside! Smell the fresh air! Talk to someone of the opposite sex. Real female flesh, not a rubber doll!<p> Apropos the two points (wasted on you, of course):<p> 1. The T-1000 can mimic the composition of substances and materials - in this case, flesh. That's enough of an explanation. The T-800 is made of 'synthetic flesh', also.<p> 2. Purely for dramatic tension, maybe? He's got her there, why bother imitating until later on when he's forced to?<p> Stick in your dvd's of Speed Racer and Hostel, ya performing gibbon! All the shite of the day! Jerk off to the T-X's inflatable globes! Its more your speed, right?!<p> P.S. Watchmen won't be as good as T2!! Arf, arf!!

  • March 1, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    I always thought the reason...

    by RockLobster800

    that the T-1000 needed Sarah to call to John was because he needed to hear her voice first in order to replicate it...I mean all the contact he has with her in the film is her running away and vocally all he hears are screams or grunts, which he couldnt base a replication on...when she does speak to him its just that "fuck you" before Arnie attacks him and so thats why hes able to copy her later....I might be wrong but Im pretty sure thats the explanation

  • March 1, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    T3...fucked everyones eyeballs summer 2003

    by mr sulu

    yea it did, my eyeballs felt like theyd been pumped without mercy...'fuck yeah!' i heard em say to me during the crane chase...'ooooh baby!' they moaned during the bathroom brawl...'fuck it im cummmmiiiiinnnnggggahhhhhh!' they cried during the end blowing up the world...<p> when i came out the cinema they were crying and going 'so good..uh huhuhu..soooo gooooood uh huhhuhuhuh'

  • March 1, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    manzilla dont bite the troll

    by compn

    t4 trailer: the low cut superhero outfit that the girl is wearing is strange, aka why can i see her boobs, this is a nuclear wasteland, keep that skin covered! and the pregnancy in the trailer is always a bad sign. this reeks of "reign of fire".

  • March 1, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Why T4 will be better then the others except T1

    by Xiphos_2

    Well maybe not T3 because it wasn't a Terminator movie but a really good chase movie with excellent stunts. Maybe I should retitle this post Why T4 will bury T2.<p>The reason? The inclusion of Moon Bloodgood. She's an incredible piece of ass. Plus like my friends the BaleBackers like to point out, it has Christian Bale. I'm in it for the Bloodgood myself.<p> I will say though that T4 will kick the everloving shit out of that lame 3D laden dung heap Avatar.

  • March 1, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    T3 was good

    by thot

    Perfect? No. But good. It furthered the storyline just fine and I loved how the end set up the war against the machines. Plus it had Arnold all the way thru!! All in all a good series so far. Hope T4 lives up to it's predecessors.

  • March 1, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    did Sam Worthington signed for three pics deal?

    by DarthBakpao

    If not, his character will prob'ly die by the end of Terminator Salvation. Same goes for Moon Bloodgood and that rapper whathisname?

  • March 1, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Sorry, bad grammars

    by DarthBakpao

  • March 1, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    I have a stiffy

    by redfist

    no lie, I cant wait, fuck the haters, just let it go and watching the fucking movie. ITS FUCKING DISTRACTING!

  • March 1, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Watchmen - One of the guys has seen it; One has not

    by TheMovieHour

    Over at The Movie Hour podcast Ethan hasn't read the novel, but Joe has. In the next episode, Ethan gives his pre-viewing criticism as a first-time reader. Great movie Podcast. This episode: a fight over Religulous

  • T4 will suck, just like T3 did. And just like T3, websites will suck the trailers cock and give solid reviews. Just remember people. T4 is directed my McG and written by they same folks that wrote T3.

  • March 1, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    AICN gave the same positive hype (and reviews) to T3.

    by Mr. Moe

  • March 1, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    So what happened to Hugh Jackman?

    by HellKing

    I was at Comic Con and he said he would be at WonderCon to show exclusive footage of Wolverine.

  • March 1, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I Liked T2..Hated the Thumb...

    by conspiracy

    That scene almost ruined the movie for i just ignore it. Other than that T2 is what a "Popcorn" movie should be. Beats the FUCK out of what passes for a Summer Blockbuster today, films like Transformers, that much is for fucking sure.

  • March 1, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    T2 hate comes from WB plants to hype T4.

    by Mr. Moe

    Same thing with the Burton hate for Batman Begins and TDK. Hopefully the mindless morons of the internet don't become infected with this manufactured hate as well. Honestly, the internet is worse than the mainstream when it comes to being mindless followers.

  • March 1, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    i demand endoskeletons fighting with samurai swords

    by HaterofCrap

    that would be just as absurd as the rest of the movie, and would be cool.

  • March 1, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    News You can use

    by InActionMan

  • March 1, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    People who hate T2 willing chew shit!

    by Outlaw

    Via sucking on a cow's rotting asshole! I've never met anyone who actually hated T2. Please, get a physics degree, invent a time machine, and give your mother an abortion!

  • March 1, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    The crowd boos, with a few people yelling, "Hell no, that would be disgusting." "Who the hell wants to see those things???"

  • March 1, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    WonderCon audience will cheer for anything

    by Bong


  • March 1, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Is Common playing Danny Dyson in the film?

    by Han Cholo

    Have been wondering about that since he was cast. By the way, anyone know what happened to the Dysons after Miles was killed in T2?

  • March 1, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    New Terminator Poster -

    by mattmcd

    And a bunch of photos at Yahoo Movies: They'll have the new trailer Monday at 4pm PT.

  • March 1, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Mile's wife

    by Toonol

    showed up in one episode of the Sarah Connors Chronicles. Sarah quizzed her for names of her husband's co-workers.<p> The Widow Dyson hadn't gone underground or anything.

  • March 1, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Terminator Salvation != Terminator 4

    by El Cimarron

    ... at least that's how I'm looking at it. As if this new trilogy is something else based in the same universe but not completely connected to the first 3. Based on that, I will enjoy it and judge it as such: some new 3 movies.

  • March 1, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    I can't believe I've been forced...

    by emteem

    ...into playing the role of Terminator 3 defender. I don't think I've ever talked about it this much in my life, but seriously guys... <p> Campy? Farcical? Yeah, there was some stupid humor with the psychiatrist in the graveyard and Arnold with the sunglasses, but all 3 Terminator's (and all Cameron films in general (yes I know Cameron ddn't make T3)) have moments of bad humor. D you guys even know what terms like campy and farcical mean? <p> Or perhaps this was the same cut that the other guy saw where Claire Danes screamed for 90% of the movie in which case my bad as I only ever saw the theatrical cut.

  • March 1, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Serious Q, wud Moons boobs alone make this PG 13?

    by mr sulu

    i mean remember all the fuss bout janet jackson at the superbowl...Americans can get mighty pissed about showing a bit of boob to families so maybe...just maybe...T4 will be R after theres all the end of mankind violence and stem cells being ripped out and cussin' the Matrix sequels and T3 were R rated Warners films despite having huge budgets (Fox are the ones that do PG 13 - DH 4.0, AvP 1) (in regards to it having toys), stuff like Aliens and T2 and Matrix 1 got kiddie style toys and were R (T3 and Matrix 2/3 also did but they were by McFarlene so not for kiddies) <p> however if it is R i will be very surprised...and very happy<p> cud go either way

  • March 1, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    T4 is NOT written by the same guys as T3

    by performingmonkey

    Yes, they came up with the story for it, and probably penned a draft or two, but the final screenplay is by Shawn Ryan (The Shield, Angel), Paul Haggis (Million Dollar Baby, Casino Royale, The Black Donnellys) and Jonathan Nolan (duh). There is hope in those three names, particularly Nolan.

  • March 1, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    the implausible coincidence notion of T2

    by LabattsBleu

    yes they ended in the steel mill...and yes, the Thumb was totally over the top...but it seems rather convenient to forget the coincidences in T3...John just happens to break into the animal shelter where Claire Danes works; her dad just happens to be a military officer; they just happen to be near a particle accelerator...any of those are as implausible as the steel mill and there are 3 in one friggin movie!

  • March 1, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    I still have fond memories of McG

    by BurnHollywood

    Slightly longer name back in the 80s, but all the same, really innovative and unique:<p>

  • March 1, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    No guns n roses

    by Terry the geek

    no care...I mean seriously we need some more GNR! Hell let's bring back John's mullet friend from "Salute Your Shorts". Looking forward to the movie, in all seriousness.

  • March 1, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    These movies should have been prequels.

    by Power_Girl

    Because they stopped the future in T2 so just make three movies about the future war that ends up not happening. I don't like that it happened anyway, just doesn't jive with Camerons writing.

  • March 1, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    The reason Bale didn't show up

    by rhcp2sweet

    Was because McG didn't have anything to say to that prick Hurlbut

  • March 1, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Timothy Olyphant = better Reese.


    He looks so much more like Michael Biehn

  • March 1, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by emteem

    But then Reese would be like 5 years older than John Connor.

  • March 1, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Dear McG, don't do the Robert Patrick thing

    by Vern

    Robert Patrick is great and such a big part of why T2 is one of the best sequels ever made. But that doesn't mean that putting him in there again is a good idea. Maybe it's just me but I really hate the cliche of having humanoid robots always be designed to look like the person who designed them. They already pulled this nonsense in ALIEN VS. PREDATOR trying to tell us that the head of the corporation was Lance Henriksen and that's why some of their robots hundreds of years later look like Lance Henriksen.<p> It doesn't even make any sense. Think about it McG - if you were making a robot, would it be a McGbot? I don't think it would be. If you're building a robot the last fucking thing you want to do is make it look like yourself. What kind of a freako is gonna base a robot on themselves? Not anybody I want to see a movie about.<p> We already narrowly averted disaster when they cut that asinine scene out of T3 where you find out the "hilarious" reason why the robots look and sound like Arnold. I think we as a civilization should be proud we avoided that one and learn a lesson not to try to fuckin explain everything. The T-1000 looks like Robert Patrick BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT FUCKIN LOOKS LIKE. Nobody ever wondered WHY it looked like that, because why would that be important information? It's not. Please consider leaving it alone. That would be very full throttle of you if you could do me this favor. thanks McG.

  • March 1, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Malin Akerman

    by dioxholster

    is it me or is she really hot. i dont know why harold and cumer ran away when they had the chance to bone her together with that freaky farmer dude.

  • March 1, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    A typical AICN Talkbacker

    by InActionMan

  • March 1, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    McG, please stop trying so hard. Please.

    by Epsilon

    It will "kick your balls up into your ass?" Seriously? Do you want to know who talks like that? 14-year-old douche-bags trying to sound like 35-year-old douche-bags who think they're 28-year-old bad-asses. You'll gain that acceptance you want so badly if you make a good movie, not because you try to sound relevant.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Vern - i agree about the Sgt Candy scene

    by mr sulu

    i always figured that the T800 Arnold model looked the way it did due to it having to cover the massive endolskeleton..and it was kinda like Skynets idea of what a perfect humanoid would look like - the atlas thing - with the face all chisled..and that it was all developed in 2018 or whenever as a way to infiltrate humans after the crappy T600s with rubber skin <p> where as in T3 suddenly it was all based on the stupid sounding Sgt Candy as early as 2003?! <p> thankfully it was only a deleted scene (its almost comical in tone - almost like a gag reel) and T4 looks to be doing the proper origin of the T800 (just so long as they dont have the T800s based on an Arnold soilder they caught)<p> however regarding basing a robot on the designer - i actually dont see a problem with fact there is an ultra realistic robot thats been based on its Chinese creator now..the AvP thing with Bishop - while gimmicky was ok and in line with this..and it was sorta written in the story that Charles Bishop was desperate to leave his mark somehow (just so long as you consider Bishop in Alien 3 to be an andriod too - i think its been verified as much)...i dunno about the T1000 kinda prefer it to have the Arnold explanation - that it just looks like that cos it does..its more mystrious and kinda like Skynets own design...<p>

  • March 1, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I don't hate everything- I liked T3

    by Cotton McKnight

    So I don't understand why someone keeps saying "if you don't like T2 then why like the franchise?". It's perfectly acceptable to love the terminator, look at Terminator 2 for what it is, Like Terminator 3, and have hope for Terminator 4. I probably don't "hate" Terminator 2 as much as I sound like I do, I just think it's flawed. And I think people here are overlooking those flaws. You guys act like it's the movie of all movies. No.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Yeah the SGT Candy scene.

    by Cotton McKnight

    Since it's not in the movie, it doesn't matter. I always kind of thought of it as a joke scene anyway. And again, the humor of T3 wasnt THAT much worse than T2. Talk to the hand, hasta lavista baby, the corny goodbye scene at the end.. oh that wasnt supposed to be funny.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    I kind of see the logic, Vern.

    by Cotton McKnight

    Obviously they are trying to figure out how to replicate human tissue. It's not such a stretch to think they would replicate a human being just to see if it acted like the original counterpart. Then again I didn't read that part of the story so I don't know if that's his idea.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    actually, 'talk to the hand" was T3

    by LabattsBleu

    and it was 10 years too late in terms of public lexicon and the "hasta la vista, baby" line wasn't humorous at all: it went to show that a machine could learn and grow from exposure to humans...with respect to designers looking like their creations, a couple of things: isn't the skin "grown" and therefore open to the genetic variation of all humans? Isn't the variation a desirable thing if they were meant to be infiltration units? I mean, if all T-800s looked like arnold as opposed to a few, then infiltration would hardly be possible once the word gets out. As for the T-1000, seems like that was invented by the machines and not by humans - afterall, why would you even use the T-800s when you have T-1000s available in the beginning...Gawd, i sound like a geek...

  • March 1, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    What is is wrong with you cunts?

    by BendersShinyAss

    Terminator is awesome. terminator 2 is awesome. Terminator 3 is a great kids film. Everything about salvation has been awesome so far, and this info here has made me even more excited. they really are going balls to the wall with this thing... <p> and all i see in talkback is cocksmokers bitching about how shit this all is, and as one dickhead put it "Nothing bodes well for this film" <p> Do you want me to trash your lights?

  • March 1, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Slumdog millionire cunt said:

    by dioxholster

    "I still run into people who haven't seen it," said Sheila DeLoach, senior vice president of distribution at Fox Searchlight. "I'm like 'Hello? Do you live on the planet?' But obviously, there were a lot of people who hadn't seen it yet or we wouldn't have gone up 45 percent this weekend, so it's really terrific." --------well i havent seen it bitch and now im never gonna see that pile of indian waste

  • March 1, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST


    by BendersShinyAss

    It was well established in the directors cut of alien 3 that bishop was modeled after his creator. It tied in well to the story - is he a human sent to help or just another evil robot pretending to be a friend. When he gets smashed over the head and start pissing blood it was pretty obvious what the answer was. altho, in the theatrical cut there was no blood, thus it was a robot. confused much? <p> Don't even talk about AVP. It never happened. like T3.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    i want a robot to look like me Vern

    by dioxholster

    so it can have sex with my ugly wife. ewwwww

  • March 1, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Oh, and T3 did suck

    by Outlaw

    " da hand" = epic fail. And kudos to you hit the proverbial nail on the head. We don't need an AVP type setup in regards to the T1000's creator. It's a very unnecessarily akward nod to the fan base. Like the ark showing up in Indy IV.

  • March 1, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    ark shows continuty

    by dioxholster


  • March 1, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Anton Yelchin and Nuclear Winter

    by #1 Zero

    I'm sure this has been discussed before but wasn't it always night in the future in the first three films because skynet dropped Nukes everywhere causing nuclear winter. So how is it daylight in T4 at all? I thought the first thing skynet did was nuke the entire planet. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I have my doubts about Anton Yelchin as an action hero. I know Reese is younger in this and Michael Biehn in the first one had to look "normal" compared to arnold, but Yelchin seems like he was cast to appease some kind of modern "emo" quota or something. Just that picture of him on the panel in this article made me skeptical. Also I thought a while back I heard the sequels wouldn't focus on John Connor as much but more on "Marcus" and Yelchin/Reese. So if anyone also knows about that please post it here. Thanks

  • March 1, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Robert Patrick - mistake in continuity?

    by Ivan_Mtl

    It has been some years since I last saw Terminator 2, but wasn't Robert Patrick a policeman that is killed in the opening scenes of the movie, and the T1000 only assumes his form? Wouldn't that make the idea of him being a scientist and the eventual model of the T1000 in the future an error in continuity?

  • March 1, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by Gus Van Rant

    McG is a douchebag for throwing the DP under the bus.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Ivan_Mtl FTW!

    by dioxholster

    you actually remembered! tell em man show em whos right and whos wrong.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    re: The T-1000 looks like Robert Patrick

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    iirc, the t1000 killed a cop and took over his likness<p> To have terminators in t4 look the same would be stupid.<br> Why and how would skynet get RP's likness? Why use the face of a cop decades dead?

  • March 1, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    nice riddle

    by dioxholster

    it runs like a pig but its as fast as a horse. what is it? hint: its ur mama after i nuked her ass!

  • March 1, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    the cop didn't look like robert patrick...

    by LabattsBleu

    it was robert patrick coming out of the bushes to kill the cop and he just took over his car...

  • March 1, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    coz Robert Patrick was in Stargate Atlantis

    by dioxholster

    terminators who are actually called replicators saw him somehow and wanted to look like him. skynet a gov corporation that reverse engineers alien tech got replicators and made their own. and blah blah blah the earth gets nuked by crazy robots.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    or maybe

    by dioxholster

    the daedalus just went over to replicator planet along with other wraith and traveler dudes and destroyed the shit out of them, thanks to suicide bomber FRAN the friendly replicator.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by Vern

    Well, not to get off on too much of a tangent, but that was a Bishop robot PRETENDING to be the creator of the Bishop robot. Because even the Bishop robot knows that would be fuckin stupid if he was modeled after the guy who created him. Seriously, what are you gonna do hanging out with a robot of yourself? Even the guy creepy enough to do that would be creeped out by it.<p> By the way to Ivan and friends, the T-1000 first arrives in the '90s as a naked Robert Patrick. He only steals the uniform from the cop he kills, not the likeness.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    reading the Talkbacks is like squeezing a milkshake

    by dioxholster

    I squeezed you a milkshake! drink it up its hand-made!

  • March 1, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    T-1000 arrived as someone else and only took shape when it killed that cop.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I'm shocked.....

    by LHombreSiniestro

    by people who hate on T2.... "Errrrhnhnhnnn why did it have to end in a metal factory erhnnhnhhnn?" BECAUSE ITS FUCKING COOL!!! God!!! What the fuck is wrong with people?!?!!?

  • March 1, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    u need diapers

  • March 1, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    implausible coincidence

    by Toonol

    I would normally agree that T2 and T3 had too many coincidences, and that was an example of bad screenwriting; but I'm not sure you can make that complaint after you factor in time travel and time loops. Cause and effect get reversed, and some things that seem coincidental aren't, because they had to have happened due to them already having an effect on the future.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Robot duplicates

    by Toonol

    Hot Lesbian Robot Designers would make duplicates of themselves.<p> At least, they do in all the fanfic I write.

  • March 1, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    T2 Robert Patrick

    by El Cimarron

    yeah, he came as a naked Robert Patrick. killed the cop, COPIED his uniform (not wore it, since he became other things and then back to that cop with uniform)

  • March 1, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    nice El Cimarron

    by dioxholster

    now if I may...I shall squeeze you a milkshake!

  • March 1, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Bishop made his android in his own image

    by TylerDurden3395

    Just like God did with Adam. You know deep philosophical shit like that. Back on topic. T3 is great for: Arnold & Crane chase & Ending. T2 has aged worse (to me anyway) than the first but still remains the best of the bunch. (Commando is still my favorite Ah-Nuld flick though.) <p> <p> Nash out! <p> <p> Sorry, just got back from seeing Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li and couldn't wait to use "Nash out" in a sentence.

  • March 1, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    T4 Better be

    by Rindain

  • March 1, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    I hope WB isn't actually pressuring McG to make it PG-13...

    by Rindain

    ...that would seem very unlike the WB that is putting out such a faithful adaptation of Watchmen. However, why does McG have to put public pressure on the WB exec to keep the so-called R rated material in the movie? Could all this rating drama just be a publicity stunt for the movie?

  • March 1, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    I don't know why but that milkshake line

    by Cotton McKnight

    has me laughing. That's what I like about these talkbacks. You will find yourself laughing at the stupidest thing.. and then later when you remember it during dinner.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST


    by Toonol

    Did you intensely glare at the camera then swagger away after you "Nash Out"ed?<p> God, I want a Nash movie.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    LHombreSiniestro speaks the truth

    by most excellent ninja

    relax dude, only on aintitcool will you find people like this.

  • March 1, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Bryce looks like she needs a milkshake

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    Coming right up!!

  • March 1, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Wait, Patrick Stewart is in this? Fuck yea.

    by ganymede3010

    Now I'm excited, Patrick Stewart gave a legendary performance in T2. I can't wait to see him again in the Terminator universe.

  • March 1, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    I still want Robert Patrick to be t1000 again

    by Rufferto

    but fuck all that other shit. That idea sucks. If he's not a terminator don't bother. Dumb dumb dumb. That's what I get for skimming the story and assuming somewhat obvious halfway intelligent decisions are being made.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    T2 late hate = Fanboy teen rebellion

    by reflecto

    It's the same bullshit I have to listen to about Return Of The Jedi. "OOOHHHHHH IT'S NOT REALLY THAT GOOD, EWOKS, FLUFFY CUTE THINGS, STUPID, UNCOOL, NARM NARM NARM" Let's face it, fuckos, when you saw ROTJ you LOVED THAT SHIT as a kid, you went fucking NUTS and loved it as much as the other two SW films. But when your balls dropped, you read Watchmen, etc you started feeling a need to "get serious" and overcompensate as the "Star Wars" rep built up in fan circles with ESB seen as the "dark, adult" film that could truly be appreciated; therefore, a happy ending featuring Ewoks must be looked down upon. Likewise, T2 with its humanism and the twisted father/son dynamic between John and the machine is seen as "too cute" and 'not dark and serious' enough, so, to protect their newly fuzzy balls, fanboys must turn up their noses and start guzzling the Haterade. Boys, please: I know how you felt when you saw the movie. You know how you felt when you saw the movie. It's too late to play peer pressure catch-up circle-jerk.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Ooops, I meant Robert Patrick!

    by ganymede3010

    What can I say, I live in Cali, our green is much stronger then yours;)

  • March 2, 2009, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Ark shows continuity...

    by Outlaw

    More like trying to imitate what cannot be replicated, cock-munch!

  • March 2, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    MCG- Please lsiten to Vern

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    Seriously- its like the bullshit with star wars where everything has to reference the past. the T-1000 was a shape shifting robot that could look like anyone- please don't do it. Arnold I can understand- all the exoskeletons look the same. but not the T-1000

  • March 2, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST

    robert patrick

    by johnnyg korrupt

    i want Robert Patrick in the next film badly. Fuck i was hoping they'd stick him in there for this film. Forget the scientist thing though, just have him appear as the t1000 and do the cgi younger looking trick

  • March 2, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Dear Vern

    by darthpigman

    The T-1000 SHOULD have stolen the likeness of a Robert Patrick cop at the opening of Terminator 2. But that would have been too confusing for audiences (and too smart for that dumbed-down movie).

  • March 2, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    If T4 is not rated R...

    by otm shank

    then this film and I are done professionaly.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST


    by Lashlarue

    is all that's on my mind.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    The trailer is coming

    by theplant

    But of course, AICN don't know it

  • March 2, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    as much as i love T2 and dispise T3

    by BendersShinyAss

    I think the liquid terminator of T3 was better realized. In T2 is was just liquid. how to give life to liquid? but in T3, it was a robot under with the ability to morph. much more practical, if not believable.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:53 a.m. CST

    The Terminator... Great Movie But

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    not as original as some might claim. It took a HUGE cue from Westworld's main villian (Yul Brenner). Add some time travel, a plot to kill someone before they do something important, and you have a nice mash up of story elements woven SEAMLESSLY by Cameron, but not something that's the height of originality.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Whine whine whine

    by myspoonistoobig

    The girl made the first boob joke, and it's not like he was literally asking her to yank her top down, he was asking if the scene should stay in the movie. It's crass and objectifying but it's far from the worst comment I've heard, and a lot of the worse ones are from AICN talkbacks. I liked T2, but I preferred the theatrical cut (I like about half the scenes added to the DC but the rest is filler), and I thought T3 was okay -- not great or as good as the other two but it has a solid ending, which Is see even a lot of the haters are willing to accept was good. I'm still reserved on T4, but I'll see it. I want it to be good, but if it sucks, I won't be devastated.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    How can people say T2 sucks

    by lockesbrokenleg

    sheesh, have they ever seen T1, or the new series. Now THOSE suck.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    The sheer amount of moronic dumbfucks defending T3...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...while trashing T2 at the same time, puzzles me. This late T2 hate is just an internet times phenomenon. Gladly, all of those blockheads that think T3 > T2 simultaneously out themselves as fat chest-bumping kids that don't know fuck about filmmaking, especially when it comes down to narrative, structure, photography and editing. T2 is still a masterpiece in all those categories alone and there is so much more about it.<p>On the other hand, there was so much shit in T3 that I don't even know where to start, but I'll try:<p>1.) Gay Arnold introduction. Don't get me wrong: I like gays. But that scene was a dumb nod to the bar entrance scene in T2, including immature jokes.<p>2.) T-X: rip-off mall scene plus inflatable breasts. What. The. Fuck.<p>3.) PG-13 movie feel. Except for the stomach scene, there was absolutely NOTHING that felt like an R-rated pic.<p>4.) Remote controlled police car chase: again, what. the. fuck.<p>5.) Moronic car-without-rooftop scene.<p>6.) Soundtrack.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:56 a.m. CST

    T2 is damn good

    by TheMandrakeRoot

    All the T2 hate is pretty funny. It's most likely just people pissed off at James Cameron because his new movie is already being thrown up on a pedestal for no reason. While I agree the Avatar love is a bit much considering we've seen nothing from it, I don't get how people can deny T2 as being one of the greatest sci-fi action movies. Not one moment of the movie is slow or boring, the characters are all very well done, especially John, Arnold (at his finest) and Robert Patrick (one of the best screen villains). Not to mention, the action is balls out edge of your seat fun, which never lets up. Yeah there might be a few plot holes or inconsistencies, some lame one liners, and convenient set-ups (metal factory), but thats just nitpicking an otherwise great sci-fi action film.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Ha, McG thinks this will rival Transformers 2?

    by ganymede3010

    Devastator, Soundwave, Jetfire Ravage, NUFF said. GTFO! What a moronic thing for McG to say.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Ticking boxes?

    by Reelheed

    What made the original Terminators great was solid story telling and excellent character moments.Arnie and Robert Patrick are reattached? So what? What a boring concession. Also the Reece "nike&shotgun uniform" thing is retarded if true. So much for reimagining the franchise. This had Alien4 written all over it...

  • March 2, 2009, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Ackerman looks dreamy in those pics

    by Dingbatty

  • March 2, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Also I dont get the SCC hate.

    by Reelheed

    Have you SEEN what is on television? If you want to watch more cop cam shows, more dogs being trained and more talent shows then thats your shout. The show has some problems but personally I'm happy to have SCC join my watch list.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:23 a.m. CST

    I don't hate SCC but...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...I really hate the cheap look/production design<p>Plus, the stories are pretty lame.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Jonathan Nolan did not write T4

    by Mr. Moe

    He shares screenplay credit with six other people. The script for this film has seven writers. SEVEN! The only movie that pops into my head with that many writers is Armageddon, and that had six (including J.J. Abrams). There is no way the this script is going to work. It even got rewrites while it was filming! Too many writers always equals a messy script.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Mr. Moe --so you're basically saying

    by dioxholster

    that the script got gang raped by every brilliant writer in town. if thats so then im in! im looking forward to this unfortunate but excellent piece of work.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:15 a.m. CST


    by jackalcack

    Are you seriously telling me you think the first Terminator film 'sucks'...?!!!

  • March 2, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    I will squeeze you a milkshake

    by dioxholster

    it would be my pleasure to squeeze all of you a milkshake.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:23 a.m. CST

    A few reasons why T3>T2

    by spud mcspud

    (1) Nick Stahl > Edward "whiny bitch" Furlong. Did they base Anakin Skywhinger on T2 John Connor?<P> (2) Linda Hamilton's freakishly manly body vs nekkid Kristanna Loken and Claire Danes. Please. No contest.<P> (3) We FINALLY get Jusgment Day. Was Cameron angling for more sequels by leaving it open? At least T3 gave us a decent fucking ending.<P> (4) T1 was DARK - bleak movie-making, pitting a coulple of outsiders against the ultimate killing machine. The only thing missing from T2 was fucking family therapy. T-800 as father figure substitute? Waaaah, tell me about your childhood. Talk about a sequel pussying out. And T-800 NOT killing people? Fucking wuss. At least T3 went back to the bleakness, more of the tone of T1 than T2.<P> (5) TITS in T3. Of course my main reason for backing T3>T2 is that Motoko Kusanagi disagrees, and he's a twat, so...

  • March 2, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    See, if I take my straw, do you see, and I reach it waaaaaaaay over there, into your milkshake , thenm - I! DRINK! YOUR! MILKSHAKE! I drink it up!<P> DRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINAGE! DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!<p> I'm fucking done, professionally.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST

    re the 90% screaming

    by compn

    i did see t3 in the theater, and my percentage was off. she didnt scream that much. my bad.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Mr Moe - if BALE rewrote it, well then...

    by spud mcspud

    FADE IN<P> On a FUCKING big FUCK of an H-K killing machine, hovering over a defiant FUCKING youngster...<P> YOUNGSTER - WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND? GIMME A FUCKING ANSWER?!?<p> The H-K spits plasma laser, incinerating the FUCKING YOUNGSTER on the spot.<P> H-K - DONE PROFESSIONALLY.<p> FUCKING RUN CREDITS!

  • March 2, 2009, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Oh, and for the doubters...

    by spud mcspud

    Yes, I was disappointed with T2 back in the day. I was pretty much the only person I knew who was, but then I knew more girls who raved about that movie than guys. And as for T3, I'm the only guy in my circle of friends who enjoyed it. Not trying to be a pretentious twat or anything, I jusr REALLY thought T2 wussed out of being the hardcore movie T1 was, and it was fairly obviously to bring in more revenue and a younger demographic - why else was T1 an 18 in the UK and T2 a 15? Granted T3 was also not an 18, but at least it felt more bleak and had a much darker ending than T2. And as much as Charlie fucking Bartlett may try to distance himself from it, T3's ending left the door open for the TERMINATOR: SALVATION trilogy by kicking off Judgment Day. So Reboot Chekov over there should show some fucking respect.<P> T2 was over-rated. Face it.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:38 a.m. CST

    McG Acts Like a Complete Fucking Assclown...

    by Aquatarkusman

    ... and 95% of the comments on this talkback are driven by some insanely anachronistic T2/T3 trolling. You people are fucking weird.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Err...spud mcspud...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    You mention "T-800 not killing people" in T2 as being "fucking wuss". Maybe you can point to all the moments in T3 where the T-800 kills somebody (anybody), 'cause I've seen ZERO.<p>T3 was more to the tone of T1? LOL. T3 was a rehash of T2 - except for the ending. It also had the same narrative structure - if you know what that means. All YOU seem to care about in a TERMINATOR flick are (ahem)titties(ahem).<p>Mostly all your points refer to a level of style whereas I prefer substance.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Oh, come on Motoko

    by spud mcspud

    So the dithering in the desert in T2, and all the clunky exposition with Miles Bennet Dyson, and the oh-so-90s touchy-feely action sequence where the T-800 managed not to kill anyone in T2 - all of those sequences were well written then?<P> And as for substance - well, if you wanted more whiny bitching from some squawking kid who you'd happily rather see killed by Robert Patrick than get to run the Resistance - hey, T2 is the movie for you! nope, all of the John Connor and his Adventures With The Kid From BIG were COMPLETELY geared towards an adult movie, not at ALL put in there to lure any under-18s to the movie. And it was completely conincidental that T2 was a 15 instead of an 18 - NOTHING AT ALL to do with bringing in more kids to up the revenue! T2 was IN NO WAY more a cynical marketing exercise aimed at wringing as many dollars out of the franchise as possible, rather than a truthful, tonally relevant companion piece to the first movie!<P> Hey, if you prefer kid-friendly Terminators to decent R-rated ADULT Terminator movies, go back to your father-figure T-800 movie and leave the adults to enjoy the first movie, which was in every way the best of the three. And whine all you want, but T3 was A LOT more similiar - tonally, stylistically, narratively - than T2. So T3 utilised the main plotline of T2 again? So what? Didn't T2 copy the basics of T1 - naked T-800 arrives, hunts down Connor, end Act 1, Act 2 involves many things lbowing up and the clunky plot exposition scene, then Act 3 where everything gets blown to hell, Connors recover MacGuffin introduced in Act 2, then set up ending for sequels?<P> Motoko, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Go and jizz your load all over your umpteenth copy of the AVATAR scriptment again, and leave this TERMINATOR business to the grown-ups.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Oh, and about civilian deaths in T3...

    by spud mcspud

    You think ALL those offices in that MASSIVE road chase with the huge crane were EMPTY? And though you don't see it, you do get the impression the T-X killed the cop at the beginning. Oh, and then the little matter of Judgment Day, where most of humanity grets incinerated...<P> No deaths MY ARSE. Just 'cos they aren't all done in loving Eli-Roth-O-Vision don't mean they aren't in there.

  • March 2, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Bale be praised

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I enjoyed T2 at the time for what it was. But the whininess of Edward Furlong ruins it more with each repeated viewing. I also liked T3 at the time and was glad it ended not by averting the war, but embracing it.

  • March 2, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Civilians killed in T3

    by Abominable Snowcone

    T-X kills Kate's fiancee. She kills the cop who pulls her over, we assume. And we see her kill the two detectives with that through-the-front-seat death blow. She also murders a half-dozen teens who are gonna be future warriors, like "Jose Barrera."

  • March 2, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Isn't that cute, spud mcspud tries to be controversial...

    by Mr. Moe

    What's hilarious is that nothing you're saying makes any sense, then you go back and contradict yourself when talking about T3. Keep on posting, you're like Uwe Boll of the talkbackers, its makes me laugh.

  • March 2, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by Roberts

    Get some sun Fatty!

  • March 2, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Toonol... yes, I totally did.

    by TylerDurden3395

    "This guy walks between the raindrops!" Back to Terminator though, for me T2>T1>T3. I liken the Terminator movies to the original trilogy of Star Wars. T2 rocks, T1 was the solid thrill ride that we all fell in love with, and T3 isn't quite as great as the previous films, when it cooks it cooks.

  • March 2, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    So the credits roll before anyone smashes the lights? Fuck's sake!

  • March 2, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    I've been defending T3

    by emteem

    But I hope I don't count as someone bashing T2 because I definitely think that T2 is loads better than the third film. I think T1 and T2 are great, but I still found T3 more enjoyable than not. As I think I said yesterday if it was the worst film I ever had to see, well, then life wouldn't be too bad.

  • March 2, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Balls kicked into my ass, eyeballs getting fucked...

    by drompter

    Going to cinema this years is shaping up to be a very body wrecking experience.

  • March 2, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi = MOST BORING TB'ER OF ALL TIME


  • March 2, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    T2 is horribly fucking dated.


    Whereas 1 is still and always will be a cheesy monster/chase movie. But the entertainment and fun-factor is still there. Its fucking hilarious. <p>T3 is better than T2 overall.

  • March 2, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    If you notice...the people still hailing T2 as a masterpiece....


    ....are middle-aged douche bags stuck in the glory days of the early 90's. Who outside of these cunts on this site and others like it, still actually hail T2 as a masterpiece? I don't know anyone in the real world that does. They may watch it if its on, and they think the action is cool, sure. But I'm talking those knuckleheads around here that seriously think its a well made dramatic film. Does a tear roll down your cheek when Arnie's thumbs up lowers down into the lava? Corny ass fucking bullshit. It was cool when I was in Junior High-- but fuck off with that bullshit now.

  • March 2, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' ass.

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Goood morning Viet Bale! <p> The car chase at the beginning of T3 was better than the car chase in Matrix 2: Fucking Amateurs.

  • March 2, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    I agree. And naked Terminate-Ho in T3....


    ....was far more entertaining to watch than Adrogynous Troll-- John Connor and Anorexic Dyke-- Sarah Connor.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST



  • March 2, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    There's a harder cut of T3 that we've never seen

    by performingmonkey

    I'm guessing it's not much harder but it does exist, by all accounts. T2 contains plenty badassery but that's outweighed by the overlong slower scenes. Sarah seeing the park burn = YES. All the Miles Dyson stuff and Sarah losing it with him = YES. Arnold as the father figure = NO. The extended version with Arnold being taught how to smile = NO.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale could have a entire litter of hissies....

    by allykatD

    I don't care. I am there in line for the Friday night midnight showing. I love Terminator (although I'm ignoring #3), and I think this is going to be a worthy addition to the series.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    DGDB, please seek treatment

    by reflecto

    This "T2 sux no rly" defense is truly pathetic. We all dislike Motoko but that is no reason to be contrary just to spite him/her/it.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    BTW I'm far from middle aged

    by reflecto

    But please let me know at what advanced age I too may expect dick blood.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    T4 Has Already Delivered More Than the First Three Combined

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    That is a fact.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST



    Oh I don't give a shit about Motoko. I've thought T2 sucked for a long time. I was never really impressed by it. It always seemed to exist merely to promote the technology. I can give a fuck about the human relationships in it. Its just laughably stiff. I've always argued that Cameron has no fucking idea what real human emotional interaction is like. Its like he is a fucking robot. And this goes back to the first film when Reese is telling Sarah "I came back for you," and all that bullshit. That whole speech in the car about how he loves her because he stared at her picture and shit, fucking hilarious.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by reflecto

    I think it's sad we've gotten to the point where people need to strike a pose and defend McG over Cameron. He's not a golden god for me either, but MCG??

  • March 2, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I can give a fuck about Muck-Gee.....


    ....but his film quite honestly looks better than Cameron's.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by DaBUU

    The studio Should go back and CG Bale into the first 3 movies.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I think the disconnect between T2 lovers and haters...

    by rbatty024

    is that the T2 haters see the characters as sentimentalists while the lovers see the characters as Freudian neurotics. The reason John Connor sees Arnie as a father figure isn't because a robot makes a great father figure, it's because Connor is a screwed up kid whose mother has mentally abused him by telling him he's the world's savior and then he has been abandoned to the streets after she gets locked up in an insane asylum. Then comes along an adult figure whose sole mission is to protect Connor and follow his orders. It's the father figure every abandoned boy wishes for. <p> As for the terminator, I never really believed he had any real emotions. I think he was merely mimicking emotions because he felt this was what he was supposed to do. In other words, he's just a fucking machine. In the end, John Connor is a sad, psychologically abused kid who will attribute emotions to a toaster. The film is far from sentimental. In fact, I find it downright depressing and dark.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    santi01 -- AGREED. A Special Edition is in order.


    Bale would honestly make T2 enjoyable. He could replace Arnold and become young John's Father figure.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    And T3 ending kicks fucking ass.


    There is no denying this. T2 ending.......uhhhhh a shot of a fucking road with boring ass Man Hamilton's voice over? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    The first Terminator

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I first saw the original on VHS as a 15 year old kid. Already a sci-fi fan, I latched on to the movie's darkness and desperation. I thought Arnold, Beihn and Hamilton were all terrific. I also had the luxury at the time of not knowing who Cameron was, so nothing external really influenced how I felt about it. I just loved it. Still do. I loved T2 when it came out, but I can see what people mean when they insist that the movie existed 1) just because of demand for it and 2) to exploit new special effects. Still, I enjoyed it, but yeah Furlong's girly screams get old. I totally agree with what rbatty says above about the surrogate father T800 simply being a machine that "learns" emotions only so much that he can emulate them and parrot one-liners like "dickwad"

  • March 2, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    Agreed. The only thing that would have made the T3 ending cooler is if Stahl had bent Danes over a console in that bunker and rammed the bone home, for the good of humanity.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Could someone please explain

    by Abominable Snowcone

    what's in this "fan edit" or "rough cut" of T3 that makes it so much better? What are the new ingredients?

  • March 2, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST



    I think someone had said before that its mainly cuts and moving scenes around. I think a lot of the humor is cut out.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    T4 image (massive spoilter) If this is real...its chilling.


  • March 2, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yes! I had a feeling...

  • March 2, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    ..reflecto...T2 late hate...

    by VADER77

    I agree wholeheartedly in what reflecto was saying here....(I've been saying it for a couple years now)... go back and remember, REALLY remember how you felt about certain movies when they came out... (you need to be somewhere in the 38- 46 year old bracket or so now)... i saw all these movies at the movie theatre as i have almost always (95%) seen all my movies this way first(then on VHS and DVD again later) and there is so much truth and logic in what I and reflecto are saying.... it is WE who have changed more so than the material and that is sometimes what a lot of us don;t quite understand, now i agree with some things, some movies don;t hit the mark and are lacking in context and content, but ultimately i think a lot of it revolves around the fact that we aren't 9-15 year old kids with wide eyes and a limitless hunger for these movies and things that we know so little about... the 70's and 80's birthed us into this genre and we have an appetite for it now that sometimes is insatiable.... problem is we are now 40-ish (or so) and LIFE (real life) has soured us, knocked us around a little, brought us up and flung us down, and we aren't the same 12 year olds that first saw this stuff.... we now have an expactation of things, because of what has come before, and we can't accept sub-par content anymore.... at least a lot of us can't.... i know this is long, and i'm not belittleing anyones views on the topics, or inferring that others don't know more than i could possibly about filmaking and the such..... just giving a little opinion on something that tends to escape most of us...... we're not the same "kids" we used to be, and things take more to impress us now than before???...... i realized and accepted most of that after the "prequels" (Star Wars) came out........... bu tI still hate Jar-Jar............

  • March 2, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    ...last post

    by VADER77

    damn, sorry for all the grammatical errors..........

  • March 2, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Forgive me, for I have forgotten

    by DaBUU

    Let us pray............

  • March 2, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Agreed. Most of the folks who like to pile on the new T2 hatewagon are a bunch of revisionist contrarian motherfuckers who love the smell of their own farts.<P>Or, it could just simply be different strokes for different folks.<P>My only problems with T2 tend to be with the too-cute character moments between Arnold and Furlong. That kind of stuff should never fly with the tone set by T1. Furlong's whiny scream does tend to grate, too.<P>Other than that, it's a really strong film with some brutal scenes and great action sequences.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    T1, T2, T3 should all be remade

    by DaBUU

    After Christian Bale demands his John Connor character be sent back to remake all three movies. T1, T2, and(shitty) T3 all win Oscars

  • March 2, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Will Bale be using the Batman Voice for this?

    by IG76

    "I'm JOHNNNNN CONNORRRR....And I'm not wearing Hockey Pants!!!"

  • March 2, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    T1 was a horror movie

    by DaBUU

    thats how i remembered it. T2 was good, but was in no way a horror movie

  • March 2, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    T2 is awesome

    by dioxholster

    but T1 is better.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    oh and

    by dioxholster

    drink my freshly squeezed milkshake you twats.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    What's the date?

    by Abominable Snowcone

    What YEAR?!

  • March 2, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    milkshake comes out when squeezed, want some?

  • March 2, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    i will pour you some milkshake

    by dioxholster

    right after i squeeze it.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    The past, present and future

    by Abominable Snowcone

    converge with repurcussions of fantastical proportions at a dark night club called TECH NOIR. This is where the proverbial--and temporal, as it turns out--shit hits the fan. Bale smiles.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Cobra Kai

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Laundry night--nothing clean?

  • March 2, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    How messed up would things have been

    by Abominable Snowcone

    for all humanity if Reese had shot his load in Sarah's delectable ass?

  • March 2, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I came back in time for you, Sarah

    by Abominable Snowcone

    to get your poop on my dick.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Reese to Sarah........

    by DaBUU

    Are you familiar with Ass To Mouth?

  • March 2, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    T2 gets people so upset. Jesus.


    Its amazing. Its a fucking Digital Domain effects demonstration. More than almost any filmmaker-- Cameron creates movies to make as much fucking money as he possibly can, and to feed his massive ego. Listen to the bulk of Cameron's interviews. What's the sole focus? Technology. It all pertains to how the technology is going to change the way we look at films. Bla bla bla bla bla. Has the dude ever had an interview involving story or character? George fucking Lucas discusses story more than Cameron ever will, and he got pegged as the soulless technology fiend. Fuck Cameron. As soon as Muck-Gee wipes his shit stained sweat pants on your hook-nose when T4 drops. You're fucking done. Say goodbye to your legacy. Piranha 2 will be the only film of yours we remember in 30 years once Arnold's playtime as a politician is over and California tears down all his effigies and bans his name from public mention.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    that Reese scene in the car....


    the whole "IT WON'T STOP UNTIL YOU'RE DEAD" scene. Jesus it again. Seriously fucking watch it without Cameron's penis in your mouth. Its terribly fucking written, and laughably delivered. Pure cheese. And you fucking dorks take that shit all seriously and tremble a little when Biehn delivers those lines. Haha.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    how about the rumor

    by DaBUU

    that if you hit the pause button at the exact second Arnold crashes the car throught the police station, you can see Christian Bale sitting in the passenger seat. has anyone noticed that

  • March 2, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Cobra Kai

    by Abominable Snowcone

    funny you should mention it...<p> Here is an image of our Saviour Kyle Reese at Tech Noir. His shotgun is trained on the Terminator in the unseen distance. But the peculiar thing here is the two club patrons sitting in the background. They appear to be having a very grand time, despite the shootout in front of them. Moreover, the female patron looks a lot like Sarah Connor, who, by Reese's position in the photo, ought to be sitting somewhere further inside the club--not just inside the front door. Is that young Jim Cameron sitting with Hamilton? Or is it a time-traveling Christian Bale with a stick-on stache? Discuss.<p>

  • March 2, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Santi01 yes, I saw that

    by Abominable Snowcone

    also, early in the movie when Sarah is working as a waitress at the diner, you can briefly see Christian Bale working as a short-order cook.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    So seriously......


    In the future....why don't the machines use biological weapons to wipe out every living creature on the planet? And what do the machines want to do with their lives once humans are gone? I always wonder that in these sort of films. Don't machines need some kind of a duty to justify their existence? As soon as those pesky humans are gone, are they gonna start cleaning that fucking place up? Cause it looks like a shithole. Speaking of shitholes, Christian Bale's favorite Batman movie line of all time is "THIS TOWN NEEDS AN ENEMA!!"

  • March 2, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Actually Danny I must confess

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I make it a point to utter those lines (Kyle Reese car speech) to at least one person every single day.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    It's a lot like Aliens. It's dated. Just like Avatar will be in 20 years. Fuckin' ass.

  • March 2, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Please please.....


    Give us a scene where Christian Bale smokes Dick Miller in a gun shop. Doesn't even have to be in a Terminator movie. It can be in Gremlins fucking 3. JUST GIVE ME THE POWER-- I BEG OF YOU!!

  • March 2, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    I dunno what the hell the machines are planning to do with the joing. I know what you mean, but I guess it's one of those things you just put aside for sake of taking the ride. If you think about it, Arnold could have killed Sarah a lot more easily in the first movie, had he wanted to. I mean, he'd already gunned down the first two Sarahs (from the phone book). And since we learn later in T3 that he's powered by a hydrogen cell, he could simply have pursued the REAL Sarah (being the last one on the list) into Tech Noir and blown himself--and the whole fucking city block--up.<p> Of course, I'm sure Cameron didn't plan on that, nearly 20 years prior to T3, but I think we all can estimate that a cyborg would be a lot more efficient than Arnie's T-800 let on.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    I like T3 way more than T2.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    There, I said it. Destroy me.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    When it comes down to it

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Even though the first Terminator was great, and ground-breaking, it was not an original concept. Others before had written about time-warriors fighting each other for the fate of humanity. In fact, the script was loosely based on a short story called "Time Rangers," written by a then-third grader named Christian Bale.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    I cannot hold that assertion against you any more than I can say with a straight face that I would kick a naked Kristanna Loken out of my bed.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Abom. Thats true.....very true.


    T-800's entire head could have been a bomb. He could have blown that bitch and 8 city blocks to hell, with a click of the red button on his crotch marked "PARTY TIME."

  • March 2, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Why do The Professionals have such good taste?


    I dunno. Its like asking why does pussy stubble feel good on my balls? IT JUST DOES.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    This just in

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Patrick Swayze to play a terminator in the new movie, which heightens the suspense because Christian Bale will not willingly kill Patrick Swayze, because shit, it's Patrick Swayze.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Detachable penis

    by Abominable Snowcone

    The T-800 testicles are actually hand-grenades which can be removed. In the original movie, Arnold's ball-bombs were ruined after he was hit by that tanker truck. And his detachable telescoping baton penis was damaged so that it could not be distended for use as a blunt striking weapon.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    My favorite Terminator 1 dialog is.......

    by Stuntcock Mike

    The old Black Guy garbageman at the beginning. "What the Hell....goddamn son of a bitch. What the hell?.........."

  • March 2, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Is this farce of a thread still going??!!

    by TurdontheRun

    T2 is the mutt's nuts, while T3 is just a load of old bollocks! T2 was a dark movie like the first one, not quite as dark or brutal but still the same general tone. T3 was a kiddie movie, like some cheap shit straight out of TV sci-fi. McDoofus's movie will follow suit. All you T3 loving fuck-sticks can continue to revel in the 'hilarity' of Arnold's Elton sunglasses, the 'wit' of talk-to the-hand, and spank it to the TX's inflatable fun-bags! Not to mention action scenes that are a re-hash of T2 only to lesser effect and without Cameron's expert craft in delivering white-knuckle set-pieces (obviously you cunts prefer the five-knuckle shuffle delivered by Kristanna Loken!) I guess that whiney wet blanket's portrayal of John Connor in T3 resonated personally with a lot of you (eddie furlong may have been 'whiney'too, but he was just a kid; he had balls and was no coward). Q.What do T3 lovers and scat fetishists have in common?... A. They'll both swallow any ol' shite!! mmwahhahahha!

  • March 2, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    ...movies being dated

    by VADER77

    I think this is a very big reason why so much tb in the TB.... a lot of movies do become dated and again, that's where we have some of this negativity..... BTW, cobra-kai...those were some good i like to think we should/could all remember sometimes to just go along for the ride... at least at first..... and with the reasoning for some of these movies as being "dated"... which films do you guys(and or gals)think are dated, and which aren't.... going back to say 1970's.... and they don't have to be just sci-fi......i still think Highlander is ok, Bladerunner, Star Wars and Empire also...... I agree T2 is dated, but I still like it........

  • March 2, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    This is true

    by DaBUU

    what the fuck was skynet gonna do when all the humans were wiped out? i ponder this as i root on the Cubs to win the WS. If and when they do, now what?

  • March 2, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Just imagine

    by DaBUU

    a young Bale playing Connor in T2 and T3. there would be no sequel hate, i can prmoise you that much

  • March 2, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    If my kid was like Eddie Furlong in T2....

    by Stuntcock Mike

    I'd kill him myself. No Terminator required. Punk.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    There is nothing wrong with a movie becoming dated.


    Obviously almost every fucking movie becomes dated at some point. That is the ultimate test-- how well a film can stand up to future generations. If you can get past the funny haircuts, costumes, and original score of an older era-- then you can start appreciating something as a good film. The films that last forever are all dated to a certain extent, but the quality of the story is what keeps it alive. Thats WHAT THAT IS MAN. That is why T2 will be forgotten soon enough. Like all of Cameron's is one big technological gimmick. People were wowed by the effects, so they check it off as a good film. But as those effects become less and less impressive, people start to realize, "Hey-- where's the fucking story here?" Becoming dated can either destroy, or immortalize a film. Star Wars for example, passed the test. And that film will be watched as long as people still watch films.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    This just in...Skynet rationale

    by Abominable Snowcone

    "If we kill all the people, there will be more pizza for us."

  • March 2, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    The Warriors is not dated

    by Abominable Snowcone

    First Blood is not dated, though the first two sequels may be. Rocky is not dated, though Rocky III-V seem dated. Jaws has not and will not ever age.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Skynet miscalculates

    by DaBUU

    After all the humans are dead, they realize they make shitty pizza. So they send another T-800 back to save one pizza maker (played by Christian Bale) from themselves! The plot for T5 is laid out before us.......

  • March 2, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    T2 will be forgotten soon enough?

    by TurdontheRun

    T2 has long sincepassed the test of time. As I said earlier, smegma-encrusted lard-asses should realise that Talkback are not reality. T2 has already gone down as a classic movie - and not because of technology. All Cameron's movies were about FAR more than technology. Even 'cheesy' ol' Titanic resonated because of the relationship between the central characters, not because of a digital/model boat sinking! And now.....get back to taking those steaming shit loads, cunts!!!

  • March 2, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    D2: The Mighty Ducks > T2

    by DaBUU

  • March 2, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Yeah...why would the Terminators want to ever win the war?


    It would be a lot more funny blasting humans than it would be digging trenches, or whatever the fuck those bitch ass higher ups are gonna have them do after the humans are all gone. I think they should reveal that they don't actually want to destroy humans, that would explain the lack of a biological weapon. They want to wrangle them all up and put them in a comatose state where they are harvested for their electrical power like batteries. This could link up the Terminator and Matrix franchises. It could honestly work. And then do an 8th film where Neo and John Connor team up. John informs Neo of time-travel, and together (for some reason) they have to travel back to the 80s which is now an alternate 80s under attack by T-800's. What follows can only be described as 90 minutes of violent, bloody, rock and roll ass-kicking to the tunes of Van Haggar. Oh yeah-- and they have to go back the day Terminator 1 began, so we get some cross-over scenes ala Back To The Future 3, and a young Michael Biehn is just arriving. So Bale, Keanu, and Biehn team up, they go to the local gun shop to suit up and meet DICK FUCKING MILLER alive and well, the day before he gets smoked by 80s Arnold. So Bale, Reeves, Biehn, and Miller....the 4 of them take on an army of T-800's in the streets of Los Angeles. <p>Directed By Tony Scott

  • March 2, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by DaBUU

    resonated with the gays and females. No real man watched that shit more than once. Cameron sucks Bale dick all day

  • March 2, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    "Titanic resonated because of the relationship between the centr


    Thats too funny. You're done now.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    DGDB were do i sign

    by DaBUU

    that movie would be he shit of all shits

  • March 2, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Empire magazine, Terminator issue here

    by Abominable Snowcone

  • March 2, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    fine maybe i seen it twice

    by DaBUU

    but the second time was during a blow job

  • March 2, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    That's our Lord and Savior on the cover

    by Abominable Snowcone

    He bestows an interview upon them.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    The cover of Empire

    by DaBUU

    gave me chills.......

  • March 2, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    No 'real' man watched Titanic more than once...

    by TurdontheRun

    Would that be those 'real' men that take it up the ass in the communal showers on a daily basis?<P>... or just those dudes that spank it to the T-X in their dingy parents' basements? I wanna be a macho man, macho-man!!

  • March 2, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Bales fury

    by DaBUU

    can be seen in that Empire cover. A cover so powerful and intimidating it made me shat.......

  • March 2, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Here it is

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Hey, is it possible to zoom in on this shit? Tell me how. I need to read the holy words now.<p>

  • March 2, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    dated movies...DGDB

    by VADER77

    .... very well put.. i agree with mostly 95% of what you said.....but even a cheesy one slips by and can stand the test of time....... rarely though..... but a well put statement

  • March 2, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I don't mind Furlong. Its not his fault he sucked in T2.


    The writing was absolute garbage. Look at him in some of his other earlier films, he was actually a powerful young actor. Cameron is a clueless douche bag and probably directed Ed the same way he directs everyone: <P> Big Jim: Now right over here there will be a big marvelous piece of CG. So don't block. Just stare at it. Give it a few beats. The audience needs to soak this in. We are making history....well.....I am making history here guys. This will change the way films are made forever.<p>Ed: But Jim, don't you think its a bit too soon that I start bonding with Arnold? I mean....I just met the fucking guy, and he's a fucking robot from the future, the same sort of robot that tried to kill my mother before I was born. So now I realize my mom's not fucking crazy, she was right all along and I don't really hate her as much as I thought I did............and you think I just see a man and assume "Father figure" right off the bat? Doesn't that feel a bit....rushed? <p> Big Jim: Kid, I don't bust your balls. So do me a favor and don't bust mine. The script works. Now stand there and look real scare liked when semi-translucent/shape-shifting Terminator starts walking toward you. <p> Ed: I don't see a shape-shifting Terminator. <p>Big Jim: That's because its movie magic. And we are changing the way films are made.....FOREVER!

  • March 2, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Everyone should watch TITANIC more than once.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Why?!<P>For the awesomeness that is Billy Fucking Zane.<P>That's why.<P>Cunts.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    This talkback

    by ebonic_plague

    is a microcosm of why AICN sucks these days. 90% of it is just moronic trolling disguised as movie criticism and played out in-jokes from douchebag shut-ins. To put it in terms you shitheads will understand... talkback and I are fucking done, professionally. The only nice thing I can think to say about this crowd anymore is that at least it's not CHUD.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Does Billy Zane have to choke a bitch?

    by Abominable Snowcone

    You bet your life.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    O.K. I'll admit, I spanked it to the TX

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Twice, in my rec room.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST



    I have no problem with romance. I watch Love Actually every Christmas and I fucking adore You've Got Mail. I have no problem enjoying girly/gay shit. What I do have a problem with is more of the same gimmicky effects reel bullshit from Big Jim. Titanic is yet another film under his belt where the story and characters exist as mere filler for the effects. The pretty ship CG is the real star of the film. I admit, it is impressive. But don't pretend that turkey is a real movie. Its a fucking demonstration. And you can go on and on about a bazillion people seeing it. Who fucking cares. A small percentage of the audience came for the romance. Probably about 50 million dollars worth. The rest of them came to see the fucking ship sink. If they would have had the option of seeing the whole film, or just watching the ship sink for a half hour-- I guaranfuckingtee the ship sink would have done the same business.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Furlong in Detroit Rock City

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Man, he looked like 2 miles of rough road.

  • March 2, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by DaBUU

    wow ebonic you just added so much insight, humor and wit to this here TB. all in one post no less, wow really wow.

  • March 2, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Billy Zane is cool. Jim said "Just play me."


  • March 2, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Wasn't Furlong in

    by DaBUU

    Pet Cemetary, one of the best King movies ever made.

  • March 2, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Titanic IS about Bale's cockus erectus.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    They had to make it in Mexico.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Furlong was great in Before and After.


  • March 2, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Cameron loves the tough chicks. They can take more abuse...


    ....before passing out.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    T3 reeks of professionalism.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    As does Claire's cooch.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    "Its a fucking demonstration."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Your one man crusade against "Big Jim" has become quite amusing, DGDB. But if you think all those teenage girlies and octogenarian grannies came to see TITANIC ten times in the theater just to watch the ship sink, then you really weren't paying attention.<P>As for "gimmicky effects reels", you were hotter when you mentioned George "I'm turning everything I made into a cartoon" Lucas.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Titanic featuring Bale

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Do I go and trash your fucking ocean liner?

  • March 2, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Next time you see a photo of Cameron, look at his knuckles

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Permanently bruised from laying back the fat meat of female scalps.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Queen Mary 2?! Your fucking DISTRACTING!

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • March 2, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    ....movies...and shite

    by VADER77

    never liked Titanic, still don't care for it, only saw about 3/4 of it anyway(just not into it)... i like ALL kinds of movies, so i'm not just a sci-fi geek either, that said, still didn't care for T3 either, and yeah, i do think that Cameron feels he can do no wrong, or do whatever he likes and we'll just buy it..... he's gonna find out just how wrong he is.....all the flashy spfx can't polish a turd, just look at the 2 FF movies..... now those suck, (to me)

  • March 2, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    If you look closely in Titanic

    by Abominable Snowcone

    during the celebration of 3rd class passengers in steerage, you can briefly spot Christian Bale standing next to the band members of Gaelic Storm. He's the one with a ginormous penis.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Ebonic Plague, I couldn't agree more...

    by TurdontheRun

    Its certainly a step above CHUD, but Ain't It Cool News is now a giant sewage dump itself, polluted by hordes of clueless fucksticks and trolls (even though they would claim otherwise) like DGDB and his 'comedy' clique. While amusing in small doses, it does become wearisome. Its fun to stoop down to their level sometimes, but this isn't really a place for intelligent, socially well-adjusted people (yep, its possible to like 'geeky' shit and be both!), or even a place for genuine movie lovers anymore. Once again Harry, if you're listening (probably not), get yer shit together, pal!

  • March 2, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    O.K. I'll admit, I spanked it to the lap dance/band in true lies

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • March 2, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Who gives a shit besides you? Amateur.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike


  • March 2, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yep, that's what happens when TB is locked down and the daily populations dwindles to that same 1% who post all day, every day.<P>But it appears that things are changing and that a fresh wind may be blowing in soon.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by VADER77

    and True Lies IS one of my favorite movies..... it was fun.... Tom Arnold made it funny as balls..... and Jamie Lee.......... good film

  • March 2, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    The "Comedy Troupe"

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Our posts are the most amusing and insightful EVER in the history of posting on threads or forums of any kind in the history of the internet, or any facsimile, anywhere in the universe.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    The trugh is that

    by InActionMan

    The whole concept of all the Terminators is ridiculous because if Skynet nuked the earth everyone would be dead from radiation poisoning. if anyone did survive they would have lost their hair have soars all over their bodies, teeth fall out. Not of it makes any fucking sense. Metal encased in flesh can travel through time but, metal by itself can't? Just enjoy the ride.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST



    "this isn't really a place for intelligent, socially well-adjusted people" <P>Ummmmm. No, its not. Its a fucking movie message board where people talk shit and crack jokes about swollen pulsating cunts all day. If you're looking for socially well adjusted, than seriously-- what the fuck are you doing here? Was that like a moment of revelation for you? I enjoy you cunts that act like you're really onto something.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    I can't believe

    by LarryTate

    I read this whole damn talk back. I receive no points- may God have mercy on my soul.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius


    Keep hoping you'll have friends again one day. You're like the creepy uncle that tries a little too hard to be nice. <p>While you're down there......

  • March 2, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    TurdontheRun -- if you want serious discussion.


    Please visit the Lost TB. I fucking dare you to stay awake. I FUCKING DARE YOU.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Once again, Dickblood....

    by TurdontheRun

    I really shouldn't have to repeat this, since Mr. Nice Gaius made the point for me, but it might do to repeatedly try to drum some sense and good taste into your adolescent skull...No chance did Titanic make as much money as it did because of the ship sinking...poseidon was a real cash cow wasn't it? the romance was what drew people in...not just screaming teeny bop leo fans, but all demographics. and the romance worked, like it or not...titanic is very much a real movie - its expertly structured, its got some stunning and poignant visual/ musical moments(I'm not talking about effect here) - ie. the ship's first leg out to sea, the couple on the bed in an embrace as water billows below them, etc - and even some well-written dialogue scenes -ie. anything with thomas andrews. But then you like shite like you've got mail, so you would have no appreciation for any of this. you have no discernible taste whatsoever when it comes to films - i remember that list Doc Pazuzu pulled out. You are a cunt, plain and simple! Now bend over, smile, and spread those ass cheeks for Iron Jim, sunshine!

  • March 2, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    And The Professionals are not my fucking followers!


    Their material is just fine without me around. The first verse of the NEW CHRISTIAN BIBLE, teach us that Bale created man in his image, and that we are all fit to be our own Gods because of that. No man should strive for the image of thy neighbor. <P>CONQUER LIFE, AND YOU SHALL CONQUER DEATH.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    The Professionals are a collective.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    If you think you may be a professional, guess what? YOU ALREADY FUCKING ARE!

  • March 2, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST



    Its like all the cunts of AICN have now joined forces. <p>Please join DocP, MNG, and Hobocode-- and dive into a pizza oven. <P>It will be snowing like CHRISTMAS AT AUSCHWITZ!!

  • March 2, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Brother Cobra....


    ....but Kurt DID die.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    My review of Posiedon

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • March 2, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Its depressing how you all desperately want Cameron to fail

    by Lovecraftfan

    Avatar may be great or it may suck but the unmitigated hatred and cynicism towards Cameron and his new film is bizzare. Who knew a very well made film like Titanic could inspire a decade long ridiculous grudge.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST



    You're talking about how much you liked the fucking movie...haha. You must have blacked out right as his eyes started fluttering underwater. He drown. And believe me, you -- its hard to fucking watch. Like Big Jim pounding Linda Hamilton in the face with a steady-cam after she complained about the long hours. Jim screamed "You want long hours bitch?!! How about 72 hours in a fucking wheel-chair?!!"

  • March 2, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Cobra. Kurt's death was way more funny.

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • March 2, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I fucking hated the Poseidan remake.


    But I love the Hackman original. The problem is the characters in the new one fucking blow. They had interesting back-stories in the original, replaced by a professional poker player and circus of diseased twats. Oh yeah, and Josh Lucas is in it, and the wave is CG. Not in this dojo.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    Thank you sir.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That's an interesting statement. How am I the "most prodigious" poster in AICN history?! Seeing as how I don't really post much, I don't see how that's relevant. Even if it were true, you must have been paying REALLY close attention these past few years...<P>BTW - please don't take any of that wrong. I do get a kick out of your signature posts.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    When Leo drowned in Titanic

    by Abominable Snowcone

    My heart was gladdened. And instead of insinuating that the Billy Zane character later committed suicide, the epilogue should have showed him masturbating in his office. Just because. And it would have been greater if he was seen masturbating to the sketch of Rose that Jack made.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    I never saw Poseidon

    by Abominable Snowcone

    It does not exist yet in my dojo. There is only Poseidon Adventure, with Gene Hackman and Ernie Borgnine, who continues to live to 100 because he jacks off a lot. By his own admission. No joke.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Masturbating into a pile of hundred dollar bills. He wiped his ass with the sketch of rose after a delightful 8 course meal at the Rockefellers'

  • March 2, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    I love Borgie's story in Poseidan.....


    .....the cop that fell in love with the hooker. And she's all terrified someone will spot her but he says "Baby, I don't care. I just want you on my arm." Thats fucking awesome.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Cool. I've been reading since 2000-2001 but I did not start posting until around 2004, I think.<P>Ah yes, George the 7th Chicken. I do remember him; although I've not seen him in quite sometime. I think he was already a AICN staple long before I joined up.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    I like that ending

    by DaBUU

    and the whole time Billy Zane is jerking the pic of Rose hes crying like a fucking baby.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Has AICN

    by DaBUU

    ever seen a comedy clique like THE PROFESSIONALS! I think not....

  • March 2, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Borgnine's cameo in Under Siege 2: Dark Territory

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Ryback is trying to get them to lower a ladder from the helicopter. Borgnine's cack drops into frame. Seagal grabs it and is lifted to safety. Hostages saved. Balls emptied.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    .. STUFF

    by VADER77

    i don't think we're all against Cameron, just don't think he's as good as he thinks he for Titanic being a great movie, it wasn't, sorry, but it wasn't, least not ot me, it DEFINATELY was a chick flick, MAJOR chick flick that every single girl out there with a boyfriend(or girlfriend) made those boyfriends take them to see that movie, and in some cases more than once, and to top all that off, those same women saw it again and again...... yes, that is the truth..... now there were guys that saw it and liked it, but for what it was, it was a love story, romance, drama blah, blah, blah, blah blah whatever, that happened to have some nice effects.... but like it or not, it was CHICK driven..... period. and at a time when there wasn't anything alse chick wise out there.......

  • March 2, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Fuck yeah Borgie makes it.


    But the hooker eats shit.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yeah, I recall he makes it. The other survivors climb onto his blood-engorged penis and wait for a rescue ship. Shelly Winters does not make it. They carve slices out of her rotund buttocks and eat them to survive.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Ernie should cameo in every disaster movie

    by Abominable Snowcone

    the hero in every film should open a random closet door, and there's Ernie with his massive cock in his hand, living large.

  • March 2, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    And as he's panting away

    by Abominable Snowcone

    doing the hand-jive, he turns to the hero and says, "I dare not tell you my secret..."

  • March 2, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    In fact, it's not widely known

    by Abominable Snowcone

    that Ernie's character perished in The Black Hole not because the bad guy shot his spaceship, but because Ernie's hand slipped on a control while buffing his bishop.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I like that part in "Executive Decision"

    by Abominable Snowcone

    when Kurt climbs out of the stealth plane and tells Steven Seagal, you're not going to make it. Then Seagal says, "But YOU are!!" Then he slams the hatch shut, and dies. Then Kurt turns around, and inside the dark recesses of the airplane, there's Ernie choking his chimpanzee.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    wow..... borgie

    by VADER77

    no wonder Jan Michael Vincent was always so violent.......

  • March 2, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    .... borgie

    by VADER77

    towards women that is........he was always so jealous of Ernie.. damn, i see it now....

  • March 2, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed the outtake in Total Recall where..

    by Stuntcock Mike

    ...Ernest is in the back room jacking of on ole six tits while the midget whore fingers his rectum. Vigorously. Then he creates a Mars atmosphere by dipping his wick into the frozen ice.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Ernie Borgnine's penis kills 18 people

    by Abominable Snowcone

    after being mistaken for Lorne Green at restaurant.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale IS Ernest Borgnine's cock in............

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Johnny Walker: Cocktoberfest Detective.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Astronaut misidentifies

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Alaskan pipeline from space; actually spotted Borgnine's throbbing main vein.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Bales mother admits

    by DaBUU

    Bale was more than loosley based on Ernest Borgnine

  • March 2, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Ernest Borgnine arrested

    by Abominable Snowcone

    after depositing unsolicited DNA sample on woman at local deli. The actor, famous for roles in Poseidon Adventure and Airwolf, was overheard shouting, "My God! My God! I'm going to come!" in aisle 3 of the market when a passerby noticed Borgnine appeared to be masturbating. The startled actors tripped over his unfestooned ligatures and knocked over a display of crouton boxes before local officials detained him.<p> Borgnine was released an hour later after authorities determined that, "This guy is fucking awesome."

  • March 2, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    People arguing T2 makes no sense?!

    by pokadoo

    You do realise this series is about Time-traveling Robots?

  • March 2, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    My goodness, this talkback was quite good..

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...until DGDB, that self-loving monkey, showed up. Trashing this tb with his pointless postings (like he does on all tb's)...<p>Would you please stop that? Thank you.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Nice Cage white beard...


  • March 2, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    ... LOL...

    by VADER77

    ... lol..ha ha ha ha ha.... bornine is the man.........

  • March 2, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST



    Yeah. But even a time-travel film needs a little bit of meaningful human emotion that makes sense. Please see Back To The Future series as an example. <p>If I don't give a fuck about the characters in it, why do I give a fuck if the robots win or lose? Suddenly all this pretty action means nothing.<p>Bale will change all this. He will make us laugh, cry, and cum. And in the end-- he WILL BECOME JOHN CONNOR.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. Ernest Borgnine.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Yet, the cock remains alive.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi -- please start supporting Inglorious Basterds.


    It would be quite fitting for you. You're already an ill informed twat. A little Tarantino loving can't do any harm.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    "I sprained my wrist"-Miggs............."I can smell your cunt."-Borgnine

  • March 2, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Titanic worked because of the romance, duh

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Poseidon tanked so therefore it must have been the romance. It's not as if there have ever been any unsuccessful films with romance. No, I've never heard of one. They're all hits. Therefore, that is why Titanic was a hit. <p>It's also what set it apart. After all, at the time there were plenty of movies with the realistic depiction of a gigantic ship sinking and the attendant tragedy of tons of people dying as a result. I think there must have been 20 or 30 movies that year with cutting edge CGI spectacles of that sort. But romance - now that is a rare flower indeed in American cinema.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Rush Limbaugh wants John Connor to fail!

    by D.Vader

  • March 2, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Anyone heard of something called "Avatar"?

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Apparently we should be expecting an eyeball fucking? Too bad, my eyeballs have already been fucked by The Expendebles, and the shit isn't even out yet.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    I might have to take off an entire week of work before T:S just to prepare my mind for the awesomeness of Bale, and so I can train my eyes to withstand the orbital rape they will have to endure, and to take some days off to recuperate

  • March 2, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    oh my...

    by VADER77

    it's been fun guys..... be talking later......

  • March 2, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Double Feature -- Avatar + Inglorious Basterds


    Bring on the noise. Bring on the suck.

  • March 2, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Fly away young starling

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Fly away, like a palm full of Ernest Borgninspooge at a women's dormitory

  • March 2, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Borgnine toughened your nipples, didn't he?

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Tell me, mum, when your little girl is on the slab, where will it tickle you?

  • March 2, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    James Cameron offers free hysterectomies......


  • March 2, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Yeah. Lets give Quint only the best material.


  • March 2, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Terminator 5 is set 40 years after Salvation.


    And this is the new face of John Connor. <p>

  • March 2, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    There you go. No-one's saying T2 is a steaming pile of shit - it's entertaining enough and the qaction sequences (especially the nuke explosion dream) are THE SHIZNIT. But let's be honest - it ain't fucking Shakespeare.<P> Claire Danes and Nick Stahl make a way fucking better thespian pairing than Edward "Waah waaah whiny brat" Furlong and Linda "Man-Body" Hamilton. they cna actually FUCKING ACT. That alone makes their scenes in T3 more believable than the whiny dipshit from an Aerosmith video and the scary androgynous ex-Mrs Cameron. Throw in a genuinely dramatic ending, some decent machine action (T-1s in combat! FUCKING FINALLY! Thank GOD for STAN FUCKING WINSTON!) and all-round better acting than the second movie, and all you T2 lovefesters are left with is the hazy recollection of a half-assed blowjob you received while watching said movie which has so rose-tinted your recollections of this above-average action flick with shitty dramatic elements that you actually think IT'S FUCKING SHAKESPEARE.<P> And T3 had Kristanna Loken's tits. How you can say that's not important is fucking beyond me, given that we're basically a bunch of geeks up in here. Unless you're female or gay, Loken's tits MUST BE CONSIDERED when dfiscussing T3.<P> Oh, and you know what REALLY blew up Kris "Rubber Duck" Kristofferson's truck in CONVOY?<P> Yep. Ernest Borgnine's tubesteak.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I also liked T3 more than T2, but T1 more than T3

    by Ckuouka

    I was the only one of my friends, when it first came out, that thought T2 was only okay. Watching it a few months ago, it's horribly dated. The father-son stuff between the Terminator and John is embarrassingly cheesy. Not to mention, and this bothered me when I first saw the movie, why did John simply not cease to exist the moment they melted Arnold down? If anything was actually prevented, if anything was actually solved, Kyle Reese would've never gone back in time and John would've never been born. I remember being furious about that at that moment. So, being all T2 did was delay the future, I loved that T3 went all the way with it and had the war. <BR><BR> I don't think T2 sucks or anything like that. It's got some nice action to it and I really liked Robert Patrick in it, but it's not a great film, by any means. It was definitely designed to be too kid friendly. From the Guns n' Roses song to "Hasta La Vista, Baby" to the T-800 doing non-lethal shots on the cops, it just screamed "toned down." Not to mention what a whiny bitch John was in it. I so prefer T3's John.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    DGDB: Tarantino's borefest will suck.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    In fact, it will suck royal monkey dick and simultaneously be PWNED BY STALLONE and his muthafocking action masterpiece THE EXPENDABLES which will blow all of us through the back wall of the theater!!!

  • March 2, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    YES! This is the truth! I'm overjoyed that the hate for T2 is rising, Rising, RISING! YOU KNOW, you know in your heart that you were disappointed too.. or maybe you were very young and it was one of the first movies you saw... but in your heart, you know it sucks... you know it COMPLETELY betrays everything cool about the first one, and you know, you know it deep down in your blue tinted codpiece... that T3 is truer to the concept, and follows along the path we expected as set up in T1, then the TOTALLY EMO and DISNEYFIED T2 in which we learn, that, even a wussy little girlboy from the suburbs can weep for his stern, teutonic, robodaddy. Ouch! Ohhhhh dadddy... Thumbs Up! L-A-M-E. Oh, and this aint revisionist, I ALWAYS hated this so called T2. HATED! Such a betrayal. Cameron = Michael Bay. End of friggin' story.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    spud mcspud...CONVOY MOTHERFUCKER!

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Dirty Lyle and his dirty dirty cack.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Was the DP part of that presentation?

    by SomaShine

    thats all anyone cares about

  • March 2, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    Borgnine's had that soiled cunt patty.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi -- finally some honesty from you.


    I may disagree with your hype for Avatar. But if you and I can reach across the aisle and share our mutual boredom of Tarantino, than perhaps there is hope for an Israeli/Palestinian cease-fire.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    T 1 isn't very good

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It's a cult classic, but wow, compared to T 2, it's horrible.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Oh Cobra,

    by Ckuouka

    If only New York still had a mayor that would appreciate what New York City is supposed to be. No, Bloomberg would've had him arrested for even thinking of whacking off. He's tried his hardest to castrate my fine city. I doubt Boston-born Billionaire Mike would ever use the phrase, "the shit."<BR><BR> Strangely, as much as he was a Puritan too, I could totally imagine Guiliani saying exactly what you just posted.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    LOL Watchmen is shit apparently...

    by TheWaqman

    30 on metacritic, 78 and going down fast on RT. People saying it was going to be better than TDK were fucking retarded. I knew it. Snyder's not right for the material, page-by-page translation doesn't necessarily make a good film.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST got no credibility.

    by TheWaqman

    Bashing Cameron and then hyping the shit out of Watchmen. LOL I pity you sometimes, you really are stupid. Enjoy the bitter disappointment on March 6th. While my eyeballs get fucked on December. Everything else this year is just leading up to Avatar. The summer movie season looks pretty bland compared to 08's awesome IronMan/TDK combo.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Hold the phone! Rachel Ray did an FHM photo shoot?

    by Xiphos_2

    Jesus no wonder it went under. Now if they did an Ernie Borgnine spread with him covered in hookers and chinese food they would lasted for a eon.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST


    by IL_Deuce

    You are a big bag of assholes. You are so wrong about T2. T2 is and always will be the most superior piece in the story. How the hell can T3 even rank up there with the rest? "Talk to the hand!" Please. That was a goddamn joke. T2:3D at Universal was hundreds of times better than that steaming pile of garbage.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I don't hate Cameron, though...

    by spud mcspud

    I LOVED the first TERMINATOR - awesome premies, lean movie-making at its best - and then the JC went and gave us ALIENS, which I could heap much spud love on all fucking day. ALIENS is one of the greatest SF war movies ever made, period. And - crucially - it had great actors in it. Which begs the question: when EXACTLY did James Cameron go all George Lucas and shit, and forsake decent actors doing decent work with decent dialogue, for the kind of shit we see and hear in T2, TRUE LIES (dear God that movie is fucking HORRIBLE) to TITANIC? The last decent acting scene with decent actors in it that Cameron made was in THE ABYSS, for crying out loud. And having read the scriptment for AVATAR - whcih lavishes waaaaaaay more description on the fictional names, model numbers and other trivia of the machines, transport and weaponry of the movie than it EVER does on any of the characters - I think once again JC has written a decent treatment of a fucking awesome concept, which he will proceed to fuck up by shooting flat acting and lame dialogue against technically perfect action sequences.<P> I so hope I'm wrong, since AVATAR is DANCES WITH WOLVES in space crossed with STAR WARS and could potentially be the most awesome SF movie since the first MATRIX. I hope actors like Sam Worthington - who is fucking solid - can give his dialogue some real life and feeling. But mostly, I hope Cameron realises that a real story can be acted on a stage with only actors and no props or locations, and STILL BE GREAT. If you can't do that with AVATAR, then it's dead in the fuckin' water.<P> BALE TAUGHT ME THAT!

  • March 2, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Watchmen won't be as good as TDK

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Anyone see who's acting in it? Do we even know a name?

  • March 2, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Bale taught me...

    by IL_Deuce


  • March 2, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Watchmen stars that blue dude, and that guy with the

    by lockesbrokenleg

    weird face, and that chick that has long hair. And some street set.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Bale taught Billy Joel to fuck supermodels and

    by Stuntcock Mike

    play piano like a motherfucker.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Bale taught Rachael Ray to NEVER EVER

    by Stuntcock Mike

    let Ernest Borgnine's choad get on her apron. The mouth. Always in the mouth.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Why this Terminator/Watchmen split?

    by IL_Deuce

    They're both gonna make my eyes melt out of my face. Watchmen is GOING to be good. Since when does not having big name actors mean that the movie is not going to rock? If the movie had huge actors in it, you guys would be bitching about that too.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Bale taught me

    by IL_Deuce

    how to make love to woman. With my fist.

  • March 2, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    putting people to sleep in theaters 2009!

  • March 2, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Y,know, who really gives two shits about Avatar when THIS

    by Stuntcock Mike

    is fucking our eyeballs in 2009

  • March 2, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I'm pulling for T4. I'm gonna sneak into Watchmen...


    ...and pay for Street Fighter. I wanna see it, but fuck no Zach Snyder's not getting any of my coin.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Don't sneak into Street Fighter

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Are you that desperate?

  • March 2, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Right again Brother Stuntcock.


    Herzog's Bad Lieutenant will fuck, shit, piss, and spit on our eyeballs. All while Cage runs around on speed chewing scenery as if its young Asian poon.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I'm interested in this Watchmen thing actually

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Liked 300. Liked Dawn of the Dead. Why the fuck not. I've only read the graphic novel once years ago and don't remember a whole lot of it. It's already more interesting than Walter Matthau's Avatar, or whatever the fuck it's called.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST



    I said I'm paying for Street Fighter and sneaking into Watchmen. Not the other way around.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    Herzog. Cage high. Screaming. Naked. Crying. Val Kilmer as his partner. I fucking DARE you to find the downside.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    These will all fuck Avatar's eyeholes in '09

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans 4 Fast 4 Furious Crank 2 Public Enemies Shutter Island Black Dynamite The Expendibles(2009?)

  • March 2, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    oh thats right. Val is his partner.


    It could very well be the fucking weirdest, most entertaining movie ever made.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    The Expendables

    by IL_Deuce

    can't fucking wait for it.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST



    Either way....somebody's gonna get FUCKED.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Bad Lieutenant>Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans

    by IL_Deuce

    Harvey Keitel is the shit. Not in that new show though.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Bad Lieutenant has some of the craziest scenes ever

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Fucking jacking off in the middle of the street. My ex was laughing her ass off in the theater. I was too actually.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Harry so tried to jock our mojo in that Terminator TB....


    ...asking for a funny line to go with that pic. Fuck that madness. OUR GIG!! OUR MOTHERFUCKING GIG!!

  • March 2, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Herzog's Bad Lieutenant will own....

    by TheWaqman

    that I can agree with. But why the fuck are you paying to watch Street Fighter? It looks about 20 times worse than the JCVD/Raul Julia film and it seems to lack the humor (unintentional humor) of the first film too. Fucking bland.

  • March 2, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by IL_Deuce

    who the hell cares about that thunder-thighed twat anyway?

  • March 2, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    I dunno, I think STREET FIGHTER: LEGEND OF CHUN-LI could be the greatest so-bad-it's-fucking-HILARIOUS movie this century. If they'd remake POINT BREAK with Chris Klein playing Johnny Utah as Nash, and get McGinley back as his boss, you have NO IDEA HOW MUCH I'M THERE, MOTHERFUCKER!<P> WHAT DON'T THEY FUCKING UNDERSTAND? GIMME A FUCKING ANSWER!!!

  • March 2, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    With Nic Cage? High? And Val Kilmer?<P> And I thought the original was fucking weird. Y'know what the last ingredient in this movie needs to be?<P> NASH OUT!

  • March 2, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Spud mcspud..

    by TheWaqman

    the problem with the new Street Fighter movie though is that it looks so bad that it's horrible. The old JCVD movie was a so bad it's fucking hilarious film. This new one...not so much.

  • March 2, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Whether Watchmen will be good...

    by emteem

    ...or not remains to be seen, but was someone actually just crying that it can't be because they've never seen any of the actors in their US Weekly?

  • March 2, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    em_tee_em... you read correctly.

    by IL_Deuce

    Apparently, Watchmen will NOT rock, because Clooney, Pitt, Damon, Smith, Cage, Rogen, Jolie, Roberts, Bale, Borgnine, is not in it. Maybe they should've ressurect Ledger and cast him in the flick to make these bitches happy.

  • March 2, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Enough with the WATCHMEN already!

    by spud mcspud

    Without the squid ending, it's pointless for them even to make this movie, since the squid plan kicks off the murder of the Comedian, which is the very first event in the movie. It remains to be seen if the Manhattan frame job wil do the job as wel as the squid... but I very much fucking doubt it.<P> I'll watch it, but knowing the end is going to wuss out and be weaker than the original - making WATCHMEN a perfect adaptation for 95% of its running time then EPICFAILING for its final 5% - is a lot like getting to stay at the top hotel in London, after winning the lottery, meeting Angelina Jolie, getting to talk her into fucking you, actually getting to bed her, laying some pipe with all the game you got...<P> And then ANGELINA'S VAGINA ERUPTS, THE INSIDE A PERFECT SIMULACRA OF THE SARLACC PIT, WHICH BITES THE END OFF YOUR FUCKING COCK, LEAVING YOU BLEEDING, MUTILATED, AND WONDERING WHY THE FUCK YOU EVER THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD FUCKING IDEA!<p> I HOPE IT WAS GOOD FOR YOU, 'COS IT'S FUCKING USELESS NOW, ISN'T IT?<p> Yep, that pretty much sums up what'll be going through my head when I watch the WATCHMEN this Saturday night. I like to think I'm going in with an objective, completely non-biased perspective.

  • March 2, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by IL_Deuce

    as long as you're going in with a completely unbiased perspective...

  • March 2, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Thanks IL_Deuce

    by emteem

    I thought that's what had happened.

  • March 2, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Robodaddy 2

    by Prossor

    I'm in the camp that believes T2 is indeed a fart bubble. hastalavista baby!

  • March 2, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Prossor... you probably liked Robocop 3.

    by IL_Deuce

    When anyone says that they think T2 was crap, their credibility in regards to film is immediately reduced to a puddle of warm diarreah. True story.

  • March 2, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    You know WHAT we Professionals recognise?<P> That Nick Stahl - he who ruled in DISTURBING BEHAVIOUR (AKA The Best X-File That Never Was) and as That Yellow Bastard in SIN CITY - IS the superior John Connor in the original TERMINATOR trilogy, though all Professionals will also testify that the only TRUE JOHN CONNOR, when the new movie TERMINATOR: SALVATION opens, is -- <P> OUR LORD BALE!<P> HAIL BALE! HAIL BALE! HAIL BALE!<P> YOU WANT ME TO TRASH YOUR FUCKIN' LIGHTS? GIMME A FUCKING ANSWER!

  • March 2, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    JETPACK ON ROBOCOP = T-800 AS FATHER FIGURE = NO DECENT ACTING WHATSOEVER IN T2 = EPIC FAIL!<p> As a Master Professor in Talkback Equation Theory, I have no peer, no equal. Fuckin' asses.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    The father figure stuff in T2

    by IL_Deuce

    was meant to show that even though we are headed into a cold and emotionless technology era as a society, there is still the need for some sort humanity and caring. Wanna argue this? I will use robot puppies and Giga Pets as Exhibits A and B. The movie stands the test of time.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Who pays for Street Fighter

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Crap, I aint that desperate!

  • March 2, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I've heard from several people that Street Fighter is awesome.


    They say it is by far the funniest fucking movie they have ever sat through. And the more shit-faced you are when you see it. The better. That deserves my 10 bucks. Zach Snyder.....FUCK OFF.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    robocop 3

    by Prossor

    No pal it is also shit. But "warm diahrrea" nice one there i like it!

  • March 2, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST


    by emteem

    I love me a bad movie, but "funniest movie by far"? Those are some pretty bold words. Especially in a world in which Tsui Hark has directed two Van Damme films.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Funniest move I ever sat through was 300

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Dude's head splitting open in SLOOWW MOOO.

  • March 2, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    WTF is that abortion with the Bale exclusive shot, captions and all manner of redundancy? Someone had the gall to call it Baleback II? It's fucking amateur I tell you!

  • March 2, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST


    by IL_Deuce

    You're welcome for the warm diarreah.

  • March 2, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Thats what THAT IS Brother Thunderbolt.


    I'M NOT ASKING YOU. I'M TELLING YOU. I caught on they were trying to jock our shit. I'm not gettin' anywhere near that whore of a TB.

  • March 2, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees it that way. REALLY GLAD. <p>They. Do. Not. Get it. Fuckin' asses.

  • March 2, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Interview with Zack Snyder

    by tequila_mockingbert

    with some Australian guy. Pretty cool though...

  • March 2, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Spud mcspud

    by Puddleglum

    on AICN there will never be "enough" abotu Watchmen. Don't you get it already? <p> Harry = GIANT SQUID!

  • March 3, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Hey, you guys ever heard of "THE WATCHMEN?"

    by Continentalop

    I guess it is coming out this Friday, but you never would know because AICN hasn't been covering it at all.

  • March 3, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Missing TERMINATOR scene

    by Continentalop

    When Reese is in the future at the bunker, right before the Terminator Unit shows up gunning everyone done, they used to have a shot of Reese stroking it while looking at Linda's photo.

  • March 3, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST

    I know I am in the minority

    by Continentalop

    When I think T2 wasn't that bad. Not as good as T1, but not the epic failure you all make it out to be.

  • March 3, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST

    300 was hilarious.

    by rbatty024

    There are moments straight out of an Ed Wood film. I couldn't stop laughing at the guy with the humpback with the really bad makeup.

  • March 3, 2009, 6:49 a.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by most excellent ninja

    well Moriarty called me 'superstar talkbacker' so I am beyond your equal, and this Bale making fun of shit is fucking ridiculous, about 5 nerds taking any oppurtunity to talk shit. Dude is one of the best actors on the planet, didn't think a bunch of loser cunts on aicn would stoop so low to mainstream mentallity "ohhh that bale is such an asshole but I know jackshit about film" but maybe I did expect it, because this site for all it's hilarity also gives us prime examples of losers and pathetic people who make fun of Bale when before he was a God here and people talking smack on T2. Jesus Christ some talkbackers need a kick in the cunt.

  • March 3, 2009, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Most Illiterate Ninja

    by spud mcspud

    I would craft a witty yet scathing (though affectionate and in the spirit of talkbacker brotherhood) reply to your post, but I didn't understand a fucking word of it.<P> I think you're agreeing that Lord Darth Bale is in fact superior to any other actor currently featured here on AICN (or in fact anywhere in the world EVER) and if so, I applaud you, fellow Balebacker. However...<P> Dissing T2 for the sake of dissing T2 is puerile and stupid - TRUE. Dissing T2 when you have cogent reasoning, cast-iron arguments and many, many examples with which to back up your arguments is actualy just talkbacking - the whole point of what we're doing on the TBs on AICN in the first place. I don't mind disagreeing with someone about a movie, especially if the other person can argue their corner as well as I can argue mine; but I DO have a problem about people saying shit like "T2 was better than T3!" and then, when I ask why, saying the equivalent of "Well it just is, so NYER!". That isn't constructive criticism - it's schoolyard bullshit. I'll call any talkbacker who goes head-to-head with me on that if they use it. What kind of argument is that? I thought T2 was entertaining enough, very watchable, the SFX were top-notch for their day (looking very dated now though) and it moved along well enough (Act 2 sagged a bit though). But when you compare it with T3 - which people are only condemning because (a) it wasn't T2 and (b) of the gay bar bit (which admittedly was misjudged to say the least) - it just ain't in the same league. T3 felt more like the first movie - more bleak, more hopeless. The T-800 actually felt threatening again - especially when it goes after JC near the end ("What is your mission!" "Protect John Connor." "You are about to FAIL THAT MISSION!") and it had a kick-ass downbeat ending that we'd been hoping to see since T1. It had decent actors like Claire Danes and Nick Stahl, as opposed to Edward Furlong and Linda Hamilton. It didn't appear to be pandering to the yoof market by having arcade machine product placement and Guns'n'Roses songs in it (though YOU COULD BE MINE is a fucking awesome song). It was more of a TERMINATOR movie than T2, which just felt like a TERMINATOR movie made for the tween market.<P> But yes, some talkbackers do need a kick in the gunt. I'd start with Motoko "Cameron will be fucking ME in the eyeballs in 2010" Kusanagonnaworkhereanymoreanyway.

  • March 3, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    Good to see you, fellow Professional. Sweep the leg.

  • March 3, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Now it's unavoidable

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Half the new TBs on AiCN are about Bale and Terminator--and we had nothing to do with it. They really ARE about our lord and savior.

  • March 3, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    A-bom - Classic guerilla tactics

    by spud mcspud

    Divide and conquer. The more disparate threads about Bale and T4 there are on this site, the less chance of we Professionals agreeing to report to just one of them and creating a new Baleback, thus wrecking the site's bandwidth again.<P> Impressive. The Force is strong in this Headgeek...

  • March 3, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Another T2 annoyance...

    by spud mcspud

    Why did Sarah Connor suddenly start chain-smoking? I mean, if your existence was THAT important, and you HAD to raise your son as the saviour of mankind, surely you'd do everything you could to retain your health and fitness as much as possible? They hinted at that with the amount of pull-ups and push-ups and other working-out that Sarah did at the mental institute... So WHY the smoking? Did Sarah have a death wish? Or is Cameron a smoking fetishist, like Clive Barker before him?

  • March 3, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST

    BHC II = T2

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Think about it. In fact I think it would be rad if there was an Eddie Murphy Terminator model in this new movie, even if it's only for a few seconds a la Chris Rock's brilliant and nuanced turn in AI.

  • March 3, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    There really isn't a whole lot to do inside mental institutions. I worked at one, and EVERYBODY smoked. Doesn't matter how smart you supposedly are.

  • March 3, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Man....fuck all those other playa hata's.


    The Professionals are gonna drive T4 into the 900 million territory, and what fucking thanks do we get?!! <p>CHRISTIAN....YOU'RE A NICE GUY....YOU'RE A NICE GUY....BUT FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

  • March 3, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    One possible "plot hole" in T2 explained...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...just because you missed something doesn't make it a plot hole. There are some exceptions of course but not because you (or I) say it!<p>The "Why make Sarah call to John" plot-hole: This is easy to answer if not easy to see. After being frozen and then blown into a thousand pieces and reforming, the T-1000 was actually quite damaged and not functioning normally. The telling scene is where, after the initial fight in the factory, the T-1000 leaves Arnie trapped in the machine gearing and goes to walk away and stops. He looks up and a wave of poly-metal moves over his features; this happens due to the T-1000 being damaged. In the extended cut DVD, you actually see him get stuck when his limbs inadvertently mimic the metal flooring (also on a hand rail). So why not just imitate Sarah like he does 20 seconds later? My thinking is that it takes lots of energy to mimic other forms and after being damaged, the T-1000 was being more prudent and efficient by forcing Sarah instead of shifting form. It failed when Sarah refused and thus had to burn the energy in transforming into her; this is possibly also why the T-1000 didn't just skewer John instantly on the spot.<p>Actual plot holes in that scene might be the arm Arnie leaves in the machine (yes, it was likely crushed) or the general plot hole relating to who or what the T-1000 could emulate (and why it couldn't just emulate this or that, etc).<p>You may call this reaching but the evidence is in the extended cut and I believe the commentary tracks has Cameron explaining exactly that idea of the T-1000 finally being damaged.

  • March 3, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Another possible "plot hole" explained: T-1000 & skin

    by Darth Macchio

    Ok, I'll admit this is reaching but follow me here if you will...<p>Think in terms of transitioning technology...the Terminator series of cyborgs were fully developed and mass-produced by Skynet (Reese says as much in T1) with human tissue "grown" for them, etc, etc. Now take that transition to the microscopic for the purpose of actual infiltration. Instead of a large tough combat chassis, use an "indestructible" liquid metal in the form of trillions of nano-bots (nano-cyborgs, etc) allowing for a more "normal human shape"-like mimicry as well as mimicking humans that people will already know and trust (like their spouses, foster parents, mother, etc) and then think about the skin. You couldn't have a skin suit grown like the T-800 as it wouldn't take advantage of the doppleganger ability of the 1000 so you'd instead possibly incorporate the process within the T-1000 itself. It would literally have microscopic components that would either grow or house the tissue and could alter and adjust it as needed by the whole. Even if it came down to single skin cells sustained and shifted by individual nano-bots to reform facial tissue to replicate other people. Especially if it genetically replicated tissue it came into contact with: the dogs would no longer be a warning of the presence of Terminators!<p>Regardless, this technology exists only within our imaginations as we have barely begun growing cloned skin much less determining the biological outcome of pre-determined flesh. To think of what machines, unbound by human morality and intellectual weakness, would themselves invent and produce is quite a profound thought experiment...

  • March 3, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    OK, my point again...

    by BizarroJerry

    My only point was that it seems to me that Terminator 2 and the massive hit that it was made this a franchise and gave it a much bigger group of fans than T1 ever had. I'm just surprised to hear that there are Terminator fans who don't like T2.<p>It probably doesn't hold up as well as some movies do beyond their era, but its just a cool movie. I mean, "The Day the Earth Stood Still" is considered a classic sci-fi film, but it is extremely dated, and some of that film is laughable by today's standards. Doesn't mean it's a bad movie.

  • March 3, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    McG seems

    by detectivesoap

    like a real jock douchebag. Really. A guy who makes commercials may be able to knock this out of the park- I just hope he never makes a movie that isn't based on some kind of source material. The should have posters of this guy at colleges across the nation with the caption: DATE RAPE- It could be McG. That being said, this movie is gonna be fun.

  • March 3, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Spud... I aggre with you... a bit...

    by IL_Deuce

    In T3, the T-800 was menacing as hell when he's spouting off the "I AM A MACHINE!!!" line. That was fucking harsh. The rest of the movie though... the whole thing seemed very cartoonish to me. It was like the direct to DVD sequel of T2. and the acting was shit. Admit it.

  • March 3, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    and apparently... I'm illiterate.

    by IL_Deuce

  • March 3, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    I refuse to capitluate on the acting thing, based on this very straightforward equation:<P> NICK STAHL JOHN CONNOR > ED FURLONG JOHN CONNOR.<p> Thank you and good night.

  • March 3, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    this is Baleback II imposter

    by Prossor

    Just like that other gaping hole Baleback imitator where everyone was discussing shit all seriously and philosophically, thankfully it was stomped into the fucking ground by BALEBACK KHAN.

  • March 3, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Smoking adds to the butch lesbo angle

    by Prossor

    but explaining her absense as dying of leukimia was goofy, Nick Stahl might as well turned to the camera and said "hey we couldn't get Linda Hamilton back because she thinks she's now a serious actress with a career", they should've at least said it's because of lung cancer anyway that would have made more sense.

  • March 4, 2009, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Furlong Rulz

    by detectivesoap

    Nick Stahl droolz. When I was a youth, I thought having a dirtbike and listening to "You Could Be Mine" while ripping off ATMs was the coolest thing one could ever hope to do in life. A DUI, attempted robbery, 2 years in prison, and a divorce later, I've come to realize how much T2 influenced my life, as well as the lives of other people I have met along the road. I was asked today why Furlong wouldn't be playing John Connor in this film, and I believe at least one reason (not the number one reason, by far, duh) is that, like DiCaprio and Pitt, he looks like a goddamn girl half of the time. Linda Hamilton in T2= sex symbol for most of my youth. Even now, I tend to date women that can kick my ass and have lower register voices and negotiable tits. I fucking love Linda Hamilton.