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WonderCon: Quint has seen the new Trek Trailer, plus has pics and info from the panel, including tidbits on Cloverfield 2!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with the first of a series of articles covering today’s adventures at WonderCon.
I apologize for not having these reports hit as they happen, like I try to do at Comic-Con, but my computer has been suffering from some serious issues and every time I put it in sleep or hibernation mode it pitches a huge fit and starts complaining about kernel errors.
So, I had to leave the computer in the hotel and kick WonderCon old school today with my pen and paper for the panels and the digital audio recorder for the interviews.
Looking back on it, it was a pretty solid day. The biggest panels were Terminator: Salvation, Star Trek and Watchmen…
I’ll hit Trek first and then do single articles for Terminator and possibly wrap up Watchmen in with some of the other stuff witnessed today.
To be completely up front, I’m no die hard STAR TREK fan. That doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the phenomena. Like anybody of my generation I grew up watching Next Generation as it aired and like most of my generation it was a family thing to watch original Trek episodes. My stepdad loved ‘em… not sure what my mom thought, actually. Maybe she just put up with them. At any rate, my earliest memories of Austin are right after our move (I was 12) and all we had for a couple of weeks were air mattresses and cots, set up around the TV in the living room, eating pizza and watching Trek reruns.
I didn’t watch much DS9 and wasn’t interested in either Voyager or Enterprise, but I do really enjoy TOS and TNG, with an appreciation for the early Trek films and FIRST CONTACT.
Now that my Trek cards are on the table, let’s go over the panel.
JJ Abrams was the first out and he was full of energy. He didn’t just take a seat or stand at the podium… he grabbed a mic and walked up and down the stage like a motivational speaker, trying (and succeeding) to pump up the audience.
He told the audience that he ran into a weird role reversal when it came to this WonderCon… he’s usually the one trying to keep everything secret and not show anybody anything, but when he told Paramount he wanted to premiere the new Star Trek trailer at WonderCon they weren’t sure about it, worried about security, etc.
Here’s a rundown of my thoughts on the new trailer:
It opens much like the old trailer, with Kirk on his future-cycle riding through the desert, approaching the construction of the Enterprise.
Captain Pike is the voice-over, saying he couldn’t believe it when he found James T. Kirk and that he was the son of the Starfleet officer who was captain for a short time, like 12 hours, and saved something like 600 lives, including Kirk’s. Over this we see some flashes of destruction and baby Kirk in his mother’s arms.
The score kicks in around this point, very Goldsmith-y. And we get a lot of footage of Kirk training, doing that insane skydive… we hold on his face (through the mask) for a while longer, seeing the frost from the atmosphere build up on the faceplate as he freefalls. Spock voice-over says, “You will experience fear in the face of certain death.”
Then someone calls for Kirk to open his chute and he ignores it, falling closer to what looks like a hovering station in the atmosphere. He pulls the chute at the last minute, crashing down hard.
There are lot of action shots, shots of Simon Pegg as Scotty, smiling, a shot of Urban as McCoy and then a few new money shots.
The first was a weapon devastating a planet… it’s like a giant satellite that shoots a ray at a dusty planet, seemingly devoid of all life, that causes the planet to fall in on itself… it looks like the ground is just sinking in at the impact point and the planet is being pulled into itself, like the house at the end of Poltergeist.
Then there’s a moment where someone on the bridge of the Enterprise is saying there’s nobody in command and Kirk steps up and slowly sinks into the captain’s chair. Lots of gravitas to that moment.
And then the final shot of the trailer, which I thought was the coolest, which has some green Romulan torpedoes flying towards the Enterprise… the camera is behind the torpedoes as they speed towards the saucer… they get closer and closer and suddenly the Enterprise’s lasers shoot out, catching most of them, but a few slip through and we follow them through the defensive lasers and into the hull of the ship.
Pretty sweet. Overall, it’s the best trailer they’ve put out. I honestly still don’t know how to peg this movie. It doesn’t really feel like Trek, but at the same time it feels exactly like Trek. I can’t really explain why, but I can say that it looks really epic and extremely fun.
The trailer will be attached to Watchmen this coming Friday.
Now here’s some bullet points from the panel:
- On the panel (Right to left) were JJ Abrams, producer Bryan Burk, writer/producer Roberto Orci, Zachary Quinto, Chris Pine (who is looking deep into your soul, apparently) and Zoe Saldana.
- Abrams was questioned about a comment he made about this Trek being for new fans, not old ones and Abrams was quick to clarify his statement saying that he doesn’t feel the two are mutually exclusive. You can bring in new Trek fans while appeasing the die hards of the original series.
- In terms of canon, Abrams said that this film adheres to canon just as well as the original series did… that there might be some rule bending here or there, but no more so than what you find in the original series.
- Quinto said the most rewarding part of the experience was getting to know Leonard Nimoy and when asked if he studied up on the original series when he got the part, he said that he didn’t, instead pulling his inspiration directly from working closely with Nimoy. He did, however, constantly run the original series while shooting, saying an episode was always on in his trailer.
- Quinto also said that he just saw it cut together and was blown away by it. He made sure to clarify that he’s not usually one to say things like that, usually ending up in the “it’s good” category after watching something he’s done, but not in this case. “I couldn’t speak for 20 minutes after it ended.”
- They stressed that they were all very aware of Gene Roddenberry and his legacy when making the movie and Abrams made sure to point out that Majel Barrett-Roddenberry worked very closely with them, even returning to voice the computer again.
- Abrams was asked if there were any drugs involved during the creation of LOST and FRINGE. After the audience laughed he said, “Yes… No!” Non-denial, that.
- One funny moment of the panel was when a friend of one of the extras from the shoot came to the mic to ask about JJ Abrams rapping on-set. Abrams asked the name of her friend so he can know who will never be working in this town again… Then he praised all the extras, saying how they were incredible and the hardest working part of the production, asked if there were any in the audience and got them to stand up and get a round of applause.
- Then he actually performed his rap, which wasn’t so much a rap, but a beat box-ish tapping he’d do on the mic. Apparently, Chris Pine was the real vocal talent and they gave a mini-performance with JJ tapping the mic in a quick beat and Pine leaning close to his mic going “Uh! Uh! Yeah! Uh! Star Trek in the house!” Yeah, it was nerdy as shit, but funny.
- Pine was asked about Kirk and Shatner’s portrayal of the character, how would Pine’s measure up? He said that he looked at what Shatner did and noticed that he played Kirk with a rather liberal sense of humor, that there was always a twinkle in Kirk’s eye that really makes Kirk who he was. Pine said he couldn’t replicate that successfully and even if he did, it’d just be an imitation, so he tried to find his version of that spark to bring to the character.
- Zoe and Pine both talked about how daunting it was to take on these iconic roles, Pine especially… then Quinto leaned in and said, “I was not daunted,” prompting a quick middle finger from Pine. Unfortunately the angle hid it from my camera, but I’m sure there’s a great picture out there from the other side of the room of Captain Kirk flipping off Mr. Spock.
- Abrams was asked about CLOVERFIELD 2 and he said that the key to doing it was to make sure they were doing it because they have a creative need to do it and not make it as a business decision. They’re toying around with a couple ideas right now and he said if they lock it down and they’re as excited about it when they do as they are now then it’d happen. Right now, all he’d say is that the idea, if it comes to fruition, is “something that would be connected to Cloverfield.” Whatever that means. I assume a different monster.
- Oh, and Abrams was wearing an AVATAR shirt. I got a couple pics from the big screen.
That’s about that. The Trek panel experience. Hope you enjoyed it! Stay tuned for more, including my Terminator: Salvation coverage which will commence as soon as I post this bad boy!
-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com
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Abrams and Cloverfield director Matt Reeves have stated in past interviews that they think the sequel will be the same monster attack, but from a different point of view, pointing out the other guy with a camera who was briefly spotted during the Brooklyn bridge scene.
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was fucking his armpits in 2009? Oh, I forgot, we aren't doing that anymore. My apologies.
Nice panel coverage, Quint. Can't wait to see the new Trek trailer. Boy I hope that does not suck. -
wasn't the other guy with the camera on the part of the bridge that fell down? Shit...I don't even care. Nevermind.
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In the trailer??
I don't like Abrams as a Director from what I've seen (only MI3) is he branching out or are all the shots just really tight shooting bigger things...?
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No he wasn't..... he was by Hud when it collapsed
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and never hibernation...and run an antispyware scan in safe mode...sounds like you have this piece of spyware that attacks the video driver...if that is the case...download an app called combofix and run it in safe mode...trust me
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where they called aliens beasties and forced rodenberry to hire shit writers to cut costs quinto never watched trek before? funny, he always struck me as a geek...guess not for majels sake, i hope this is a good movie...she should go out on top, especially since the academy overlooked her...cuz we all know the trek movies were not important as for cloverfield 2...a good fuck you to warners would be to make it a giant motherfucking squid
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Um....wow, Bacci, so Star Trek is a prerequisite for being "a geek?" I'm pretty sure Quint gave a mini-story about watching Star Trek when younger. Learn to read.
I like when people settle into labels, and even apply a few to themselves. -
Scotty: "I canna nae make this ship go any faster!"Kirk: "If you don't, we're all dead! You can do it!"Scotty: "I canna nae do it!"Kirk: "Yes, you can!"Scotty: "I canne NAE do it!"KIRK: "Yes you.... Khaaaaaaaaaaaan!"
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Give me a fucking break.
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I watched the pilot and found it all pretty dull. Has the series improved much?
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Mar 01, 2009 4:03:20 AM CST
Questions for Brits. [Completely unrelated to this TB]
by thebearovingian
I'm confused. So, I'm reading some story on a UK website about some town wanting to implement a 30mph speed limit. 30 miles per hour, huh? Not kilometers per hour? Why? Yet you buy gas/ petrol in liters? What is the division of use (percentage-wise) between the imperial system and the metric system? I wonder about this when I watch Man Vs. Wild. Bear Grylls uses miles/ yards/ feet when he's describing distances. I assumed that he did multiple takes and used kilometers/ meters for the British version of the show. I'm not going to take the time to search the Web for an answer. I want the good intel, the real deal. I eagerly await your answers. I'll look for them when I wake up tomorrow afternoon.
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Yummy!!!!!
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Mar 01, 2009 4:23:55 AM CST
The most exciting thing about the new Star Trek movie
by kwisatzhaderach
is the Avatar t-shirt.
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The metric system is more of a European directive, so of course we Brits ignore it and do what we like. People have been taken to court over here for selling goods in pounds and ounces, but I think they are slowly giving up ruining these 'metric martyrs' lives over something so stupid.Not sure what the pecentage split is, but it would favour imperial measurements. Speed limits, distances, weight and height - we all speak of these things in imperial terms, so I doubt Bear Grylls spoke of it any other way. It is a weird hybrid but nobody seems to care.Oddly though, i notice that in America you speak of weight in pounds only, like 'I weigh 140 pounds. Over here we would say 'I weight 10 stone'.
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Is seeing Data as a captain in this, even if its only in the beginning for a second.
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The movie: The more I hear about it the more I think that the only good thing coming out of that thing will be the greenlight for a new Star Trek TV series. But even that will most likely just get "fun and big". Looks like Trek will never see something with the quality of DS9 again. AAAABRAAAAAAAAAAAAAMS!
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One monster movie without a monster wasn't bad enough? Someone greenlit a fucking sequel?
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The miles/feet etc.. are the Imperial measurements. They were invented by the Brits.
In Great Britain, beer is sold in pints, cars travel in miles per hour, a man can be six foot tall, and have an eight inch cock.
It's pretty much Europe that went metric. While metric is sort of understood in Britain (it's taught in schools) it's still Imperial all the way.
Oh and Ireland is the different, in that it's metric and imperial together, with metric being the standard in some cases, and imperial being the standard in others. -
very!!!!!!! Bear, the UK is funny about which metric and which imperial we use. A lot of the younger generation are using metric to describe length now, although the standard for your height and weight is still imperial. Im 5'9" and 11 stone. And Miles is still the standard for distance, but food is mainly metric now, but at least theyre not prosecuting people for selling bananas in ounces lol As for booze, its a mix lol - beer comes in pints but shots of spirits and cans of drink are all in centilitres. Fucking confusing, non? :)
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....and half as good
which means it will be the sheer definition of moronic drivel. -
Mar 01, 2009 5:15:15 AM CST
Much Star Trek hype...we're still yet to see one bit of drama
by quantize
Kirk without the twinkle in the eye???
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Mar 01, 2009 5:15:25 AM CST
And if you do do Cloverfield 2, some internal logic please!!
by col. tigh-fighter
No monsters so big that can knock over buildings then bothering to look at and pickup with its mouth one single human, then drop his un messed up corpse on the floor. Silly silly silly
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So, they kill off Captain Pike in this? Like, ten years before the supposedly killed him off in the show?
Wow. The Trek purists are gonna sh*t over this one...again...
It's funny how all the "Wow. This movie is great" comments seem to come from people who weren't Star Trek fans or at least not big fans past Kirk and Spock. It is going to be really interesting to see how this plays out. Personally, I think it might go the way of Lost in Space '98--with all the buildup, the LIS posters, the action-oriented trailers...and then the backlash from fans, limp business beyond the opening weekend and them never doing anything Lost in Space in a decade.
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Funniest shit in this talkback is when you tell Bacci40 to learn to read while being too stupid to do it yourself. He was talking about Zachary Quinto and not Quint. I learned that through the power of reading. With that said wherever thinks he learned that Quinto never watched Trek before it sure as hell wasn't this article.
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"quinto never watched trek before? funny, he always struck me as a geek...guess not"Re-read it, it just says he didn't study up on it prior to the role. That doesn't mean he hadnt seen it, in fact I believe his familiarity with the character was what prompted him to pursue the role.
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"Wow. The Trek purists are gonna sh*t over this one...again..."
Considering the circumstances of the plot, probably not."It's funny how all the "Wow. This movie is great" comments seem to come from people who weren't Star Trek fans or at least not big fans past Kirk and Spock."Three is no prereq that says you have to have been a previous fan to enjoy this movie. I also know a Trek purist who posted on some Trek boards way before this movie was thought of, and his ad company got to work with this, while being critical of the designs, he says the movie is actually really quite good and "delivers the goods on an epic level." -
I can easily bring logic to those points. a) it wasn't the same monster. The big one was the mother and the one at the crash site was a baby. b) the "baby" monster obviously didn't like the taste of human and just spat him out. Solved ;)`
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fucking piss me off, because it's absolutely no worse or better than TNG...not one fucking bit.
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seriously...
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ST:Voyager is actually a LOT worse than TNG. A lot.
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ST: Voyager was a terrible show. Star Trek had stopped trying to cater for a general audience and was aiming at fans only.
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Just was going to say that later Treks were bad NOT because they catered to the fan; but because they weren't very good.
IMHO the last great trek TV series was DS9. One reason being that they tried to do something different rather than repeat the same basic premise of the original series.
And they did this without producing Trek-lite or rebooting anything.
Personally considering the crap people like today I rather not cater to the general audience. I rather make something GREAT. :) -
Me WANT ONE !
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*puts up kevlar shield*
What i mean... is that star trek the tv show is essentially done, would you rather the whole thing die out? or have epic blockbuster movies that are (more or less) faithful to the series.
Personally i hope quinto is around to do sequels... a 2 hour j.j star trek movie every couple years would be sweet. I have the classics on DvD, I can watch em whenever i want, i need some new shit! ;) -
Fringe is now actually good. Not all of it works, but the stuff that does work is excellent. The tide of opinion is turning towards it, so you should definitely jump in now, otherwise you're gonna get sick of hearing about how good it is.
Champvinyl, that's the same argument I've been using to defend the new Trek on other boards. Old school Trek fans have decided that the new film is going to be awful, as it is glossy and the original had "heart". I love old Trek and I have no idea what that means. I'm just glad we're getting new Trek. -
...considering how she royally fucked up the Vulcan hand salute thingy in The Terminal.
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It's unfortunate so many sci-fi nerds don't understand the history of TV, classic ST had that so called "heart" because it was soooo low budget, i mean shit, they had crew members moving the fucking "futuristic doors" in and out, and they added the *SSSsssHHHHH* later.
Star trek geeks would be the first to say the universe has a lot of depth, why not let new directors and actors keep it all going? (If McG wants to direct the next one i go back on all my comments...) *Runs away* -
Mar 01, 2009 8:38:51 AM CST
Quint should have sneaked in a question to Zoe about AVATAR
by standundermyumbrella
Lost opportunity!
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This is the only chance fans have of resuscitating it. If this fails then it will be over...permanently. After the last two awful series and films I could probably live with that, but I'm still rooting for this film to succeed. If they don't bring in a new audience then the franchise is over.
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This movie will either be insane or just horrible. No middle ground.
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You want a sequel? Well, at least it can't be worse than the first "Cloverfield"... right? Right?
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That one's used almost as often as "X was always my first choice", isn't it?
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It's the only thing I've seen, other than Lost, that had Abrams involvement. The entire film consisted of annoying characters running around a lot. By comparison The Blair Witch Project was a masterpiece.
However, the fact that Abrams didn't direct that piece of shit gives me hope that Trek will actually succeed. I can't wait to see the new trailer. -
what a lot of overhyped crap it was. if they are going to do a sequel. the monster should appear human looking. with a big fat beer belly(optional) beard. In the movie we will discover that the creature has texan origins. The creature will be felled be a long winded, badly written, overly sexualised movie review. the secret weapon. Chocalate anal pussy juice. The reviwer will be played by jonah hill. who will combust after being soaked in chocolate anal pussy juice. there will a 5 minute scene where hill spews his usual expletive ridden dialoug. then dies.
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How about that episode where they go to Warp 11, and then Janeway and Chakotay devolve into slug like creatures, produce offspring, and then are all better by the end of the episode. I think that was my last Voyager episode until the final one, just to see how it ended. Utter Shit. I will agree, the first season of TNG was horrific. The acting in the first episode left me wondering why there weren't more holes in the sets from all the chewing on it.
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Voyager was fine, although it didn't quite make the most of its premise. The later seasons in particular have some real gems in there.
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Otherwise I'll stick to Toho for my crappy giant monster movies.
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What made the film so utterly unwatchable was the fact that it was populated by trendy looking whiny upper manhattenites.
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Even more consistent than the original series. However, you have to forgive TNG for premiering in the eighties, just like you have to forgive the original for crappy 1960s paper thin sets. I will give TNG credit for improving in quality pretty much every season of its run. In fact, the last episode is arguably the best of the series. Few television shows are capable of ending on such a high note and knowing when to end.
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of voyager were very hard to watch. it got good toward the end though. The highlight of voyager and its outstanding episode was Scorpion. The show picekd up after that. My main problem was that Voyager sidelined two great cast members Garret Wang and the blonde haired bloke who played Tom the rebel. Niether of those actors ever got stories they could get their teeth in to. Those were left to actors like robert Beltran, Robert PIcardo, The actress who played janeway and the actor who played Neelix. The earlier seasons were boring and they needed eye candy. So Jerri Ryan Came on board. but once strriped of being a borg. all the writers did was turn her into Barbie in space. I would have liked to seen seven as more of a fighter. A human with cyber abilities. all Ryan did was stand there. and looked and acted cardboardy, which was presuambly what the studio had in mind. Her story had a lot of emotional depth to it but the writers never really capitalised on that.
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What's the deal??
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It doesn't come close to TNG due to the Characters. Ok perhaps they finally got some interesting story lines but the characters were shit.
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The actors had all grown into thier characters. The mistake that paramount made was that they ended up finishing TNG. while still making DS9. They finished DS9 while, voyager was a couple of seasons in. I liked all the dominion war stuff. the klingons are always great. But I canoot for the life of me undertstand why they didn utilise the Romulans. one more thing. I loved that episode of Voyager where Tom and Ensign Kim and are stuck in prison and have to find their way out. that was the only decent ep those two actor had.
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why jennifer Lien left Voyager.
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After the original show, TNG was outstanding. I loved Q. Genesis and the showtrial series finale were superb. I also liked the episode where they killed off Tasha Yar.
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Great characters are the ones you remember.
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They had very little money in Season one and they all thought they were going to be out of work by the end. Rumour has it that Stewart who was then dating Wendy Weiss, who he later married, Went to see the head of TV in paramount and demanded and got a producer credit. He them summoned the cast and gave them all a kick up the arse pep talk and told them that he wanted to make it hollywood and wouldnt be returning to the UK anytime soon. He told them that he was the boss and they would have ro raise their game. it worked. the crew were told pretty much the same thing.
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If you can't stand a show's characters then why would you want to spend seven years with them? That is why I agree with Unlabeled's assessment that Voyager failed because the characters were bland (except for the doctor). That series marked the beginning of the end for Trek.
Besides the bland characters, Voyager also failed to follow up on its own premise. It was supposed to be Lewis and Clark in space but then it devolved into just another Trek series. It was TNG with a different crew. DS9 was smart enough to come up with an original premise. -
Sorry emeraldboy, but Kirk, Spock and McCoy are the best characters.
What JJ has done is what needed to be done. We used to try to cast the reboot back when I was in college and sad to say that was going on 20 years ago.
For Trek to succeed at the movies beyond the hard core faithful it needs to be about Kirk, Spock and McCoy and not as senior citizens. The characters have become iconic enough in a Batman/Sherlock Holmes way that it was past time to separate them from a single actor.
Personally I would've set the film during the original 5 year mission instead of making it an origin story. Who cares how Kirk first met Scotty? But lets' agree to pretend I didn't say that last part because I hate people who say, "Here's what they should have done..." and then start babbling on about how they woulda/coulda/shoulda. -
Sorry about that. Hung over and not operating at peak efficiency over here.
And Unlabled... Data was the Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek. -
Mar 01, 2009 11:09:13 AM CST
Pine and Quinto get into spitball fight...News at 11 !!!
by monkey_king
I hope Pine at least studied or captured some of Shatner's mannerisms. Quinto nailed it, as did Saldana and Urban.
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I mean, really? Why can't I be JJ Abrams? He has awesome ideas. He made Lost. And he has that sick Avatar t-shirt, that I genuinely wish I had for some pathetic reason. I'm so jealous of this Uber-Nerd of All Nerds I almost can't take it. It's not fair. Why Can't I Be JJ?
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would a trekkie really need to study the shows to get down spock's mannerisms? screw you guys, im goin home
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That was a great line in the trailer from Nero, regarding how the timeline has been altered and Kirk's destiny has been changed. Also, Zoe is gorgeous, but super skinny! Someone get that girl a cheesburger, stat!
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'these....clothes...we...stolethem....we...didnthaveanymoney!'
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Star trek's TOS character are iconic. and Zoe Saldana is hot. mmmm.
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Took star trek and time travel. and gave us futurama.
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how cool would that be?? Star Trek '2' would also have Khan in...i mean since the time line is changed why not - any sequel will now overwrite TOS? they could give the big screen treatment to any of the TOS eps...Kirk and the Ent could still encounter the bontany bay...defrost Khan and his followers but events could change abit but remain similar at same time - basically a big budget remake of Space Seed with some of TWOK too....get the No Country For Old Men psycho (cant remember his real name) as KHHHHHAAAAAAN!...or maybe even Del Toro or even Antonio Banderis
Remember Khan was (and still is) the most popular Trek villian of all time and is one of the most well loved villians in Sci Fi tv/film in general (second only to Vader..well...maybe Zod as well)...Paramount know that all the fans love Khan and might instruct the writers to put him in the sequel...or else
All together now...1...2...3....KKKKKHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!!!!!! -
Mar 01, 2009 12:18:16 PM CST
Star Trek III is the 2nd best film...LOL@anyone who thinks other
by mr sulu
yes thats right...TWOK is the best (obviously)..BUT...Trek III is next best...followed by First Contact(Trek does Aliens with Terminator)..then Voyage Home...then Trek VI...then TMP...Generations...then Final Frontier...with Nemesis and Insurection the worst ones...
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The folks whom brought you some of the STELLAR writing on Xena Princess Warrior...MI3...Shias "Hilarious" masturbation scene along with the Pissing, Jive Talking, "My Bad" giant robots of Transformers Enough said I think.
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Will Raaaawwwk!!
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I want to see more of the CLOVERFIELD universe they've established. An alien attack survival film seems pretty novel after the onslaught of zombie attack survival films in the past few years.
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Or will he be sporting the dark Burt Reynolds in a few years…
At the moment theres a little recession…nothing to worry about too much…but id say hit the propecia and rogaine in a year or so (maybe even now to nip it in the bud...although shatner had a piece fitted to make it look like he had a little recession in TOS so it should all glue together nicley *pun not intended*) -
TOS/TAS/TNG...
And Data is NOT the Jar Jar of Star Trek. That would be Alexander. Alexander episodes are excruciating, even if they occasionally yield comic gold, i.e. mud bath with Lwaxana(!)
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This new flick seems closer in spirit to 'Enterprise' than to TNG or most of the previous films. All the things people bitch about with TNG (lack of internal conflict, too mannered, too slick) were solved in Enterprise ... it had a quasi-campy and gritty nuts-n-bolts quality that most reminded me of TOS. Fistfights, T&A, it was all there, and the little touch of making the Vulcans a little untrustworthy and haughty was brilliant imo. You just need to mute the opening theme song is all...
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Bullet Proof Monster Boogaloo
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i loved trek growing up. you could literally stick me in front of a spinning startrek logo screensaver and i'd be happy. tng was gold dsp was great, voyager was good. enterprise enterprise for me was the nail in the coffin. berman and braga had up to that point canibalised so many epsiodes that each new epsiode was a mashup of several from previous series. i know with many the rot started with voygaer.. but for me. enterprise just fucking killed it.
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would only get its groove going seriosly in the 3rd season. yeah it took 3 seaosn before it beacuse must wathc tv. after seeign the same thing for tng, dsp, voy, i couldn't hack it for ent. 1 or 2 good eps per season, does not make a good season.
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Dateline San Francisco - JJ Abrams suffered a transient ischemic attack (TIA) today after his appearance at WonderCon 2009. While the "smartest filmmaker in Hollywood" quickly recovered from the 'mini-stroke' and suffered no ill effects, he was reported as having said some questionable things during the episode. One of the more unusual symptoms of a TIA is the inability of sufferers to lie while experiencing one, and as such JJ Abrams was overheard saying that he never was and never will be a Star Trek fan, and he worked on the upcoming Trek movie solely as a way to further his own career and earn more of the ever elusive "geek cred" amongst the sci-fi nerd population. Abram's rep later denied any such thing was ever said, and proceeded to tell all 'Trekkies' everywhere to "fuck off and just watch the goddamn movie when it fucking comes out, because no one at Paramount is interested in your fucking little dramas over this bullshit." You read it! You can't UNread it!
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Is that Mr. Pine and Mr. Quinto have amazing heads of hair.
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was Jolene Blalock, and Ya know a show is bad when the cast bashes it.
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Gayface?
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Gayface?
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What sort of blackmail material these two hackmasters have that let them keep getting work?
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How many times in the new Trek film will a character order a "Slusho", or will we see a "Slusho" machine/ad in the background.
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...'cause I rank the 'Trek' films thusly: [1] 'Star Trek (II): The Wrath of Khan'; [2] 'Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country'; [3] 'Star Trek: The Motion Picture' (much maligned and overlong, but the only TRUE science-fiction story in the series); [4] 'Star Trek III: The Search for Spock'; [5] 'Star Trek: Nemesis'; [6] 'Star Trek: First Contact'; [7] 'Star Trek: Generations'; [8] 'Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home'; [9] ''Star Trek: Insurrection'; and, last and certainly least, the fifth theatrical film, that SHALL NOT BE FUCKING NAMED. EVER.
I fully expect 'Star Trek' to enter the Top Five, perhaps even the Top Three. But, remember, I'm a douchebag. -
I need that like I need a 2nd asshole.
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Imperial system 4 life! I owe you guys a pint. Hell, make that a quart!
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Now with more Shakycam!
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The first one wasn't even THAT good.
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i have NEVER seen ANYONE put NEMESIS above FC!!..let alone TVH in the bottom 3 films below Generations...and TMP 3rd best!! My God man - are you posting from a mental hospital?
DOUCHE
BAG -
self respect left
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...can we hold back from insulting the hell out of him. He showed up for the last post, then a talk backer--who's obviously still hurting over Transformers, and is a bit too trek canon obsessed--called Orci everything but a wife beater, which he also may have called him...I can't remember. The point being:it's rare we get to talkback with a films writer so let's not run the guy out of the room before we see the film. Just because a star trek fan wrote a bad transformers film, doesn't mean he wrote a bad trek film. there's no universal law of Badness.
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...suck and I will never forgive them for the time I wasted watching Transformers, but MI:3 is good.
Fuck you! -
My post wasn't actually in response to yours, but it is kind of funny that it immediately follows it.
Also, MI:3 is still good!
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>>I'm reading some story on a UK website about some town wanting to implement a 30mph speed limit. 30 miles per hour, huh? Not kilometers per hour?
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Why? Yet you buy gas/ petrol in liters? What is the division of use (percentage-wise) between the imperial system and the metric system?
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Legally all goods must be sold in metric measurements except for pints of beer. All measurements legally must be metric except for road distances (Miles and Yards). Of course,there is nothing to stop people, for example, selling milk in 568milliitre bottles and also plastering "1 Pint" on the label. So most things are measured officially in metric measurements and colloquially in imperial ones. The Imperial Idiots (aka the Metric Martyrs) were prosecuted for refusing to use metric measurements at all. Given that most of our trade is with that portion of the world that is metric (i.e. everywhere on the planet except for the US), then it makes sense to use metric measurements - especially as some US measures sounds like British ones, but are different - for example American gallons being smaller than British ones.
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Well I just used the word good, but here in our universe MI:3 is better than:TransformersCloverfieldMax PayneFuture WarAtor The Fighting EagleSleepaway Camp 3Halloween 8The Phantom MenaceYour PostHarry's Blade 2 ReviewLiverBud LightWorst WeekCradle 2 the GraveThe Avengers with Ralph FiennesThe Reader with Ralph Fiennesice cream covered in cheesegetting kicked in the ballsrapethe holocaustStephon Marbury's personalityYour personalitykidney stonesCSI MiamiMI:2I understand you're posting in talk back so you have to be a douchebag, but do you also have to be an idiot?
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everyone knows kidney stones are awesome...You're such a hater!!
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If they used that whale monster from the early concept art, it'd be truly epic. Just imagine that thing realized in full CG glory... instead of the giant mutated naked mole rat we ended up with. Most. Anticlimactic. Reveal. Ever.
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Seems so random to hate on this movie. Like hating on really big movies I get and even hating on really small movies I get. But hating on this seems pointless. Frankly I'd like a second one because at least more monster movies would be out.
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There is zero chance die hard Trek fans are going to buy this. That being said, it looks like a fun movie.
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Maybe in Cloverfield 2, this time they can have some sort of giant interdimensional squid attack New York, like seemingly out of nowhere! Wouldn't that be crazy? I apologize in advance for this post, by the way.
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Awesome! Thank you for my first talkback nickname!
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anonymously on here. It gives me a chuckle to think of some 14 year old Moldovan teenage nerd getting in an argument about film with someone like Steven Spielberg.
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characters in it that you actually give a shit about. Now wouldn't that be a twist!
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I love pretending i'm 10 years old, back in the school yard.
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Triple D is okay. But i prefer your
original "Tripe D", which I thought was intended.
I've just never been called anything bovine related before.
Thanks,
And, suck it!!
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because it's one of the dumbest movies ever made..
ever
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Fucking hell it's not! There was a screen shot posted earlier this week of a Romulan talking to Kirk and Spock on the bridge. Plus there's the fact that the Enterprise looks ten times 'shinier' than in TOS.
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Over some baby-back ribs, it's time for more Ivy League, beer-swilling, Yuppie douchebags to talk about their relationships and golden futures before another monster hits the scene.
And, oh yeah...you're NOT supposed to cheer for the monster, like you did last time. Just cool it, okay? -
Philip Seymour Hoffman losing his shoe like that was worth the soda I spit out, but the villain in Mi:2 was one hilarious bastard from start to finish! About time I rewatched these two anyway I 'spose.
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Fuck's sake!
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"All the things people bitch about with TNG (lack of internal conflict, too mannered, too slick) were solved in Enterprise ..."
Did you miss that little show called DS9? -
...of the bridge is very similar to the bridge design for the unmade Star Trek Phase II show.
Check it: http://www.trekmania.net/conference/behind_scenes/bridge1.jpg -
I'm pretty sure there had to be moments of smiles and levity at some point, not captured in these few photos, but... urgh! .... I'd like my heroes to show a little personable enthusiasm.
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damn I was watching Death Note. I hope he/shecomes back. I think he/she hurt my feelings.no wait - I'm okay. but does he/she know he/she just called himself/herself a douche bag.
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Of course I know that I called myself a douche bag. I'm not an embessel.
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My post was kind of douchey!
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Honestly who the fuck gives a damn about this film either way, no non-trekkie I know of is even aware of it let alone looking forward to seeing it now they sorta do.Oh and.... "Abrams asked the name of her friend so he can know who will never be working in this town again" There be an element of truth to this the man can be a cock of the highest order.
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type in word first, use spell checker, then cut and paste
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...The man talks sense.
Of course, ya cold go pure geek and install Linux. Then you're far less likely to get a virus. (You can still get them, but they're not as common.)
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if your not a trek fan - why are you here
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To simply annoy you, got a problem with that bitchtits?
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Embessel? I was riffing off your calling me an ultra-maroon and typed imbecile the way Bugs pronounces it.
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Mar 01, 2009 9:20:31 PM CST
InActionMan..Thats the point of, and wonder of this place..
by conspiracy
That WE..the people these films are supposedly made for...people who actually love cinema and actually support the industry..have a place where we can sometimes vent directly to the people who make them. Sure we are hard on them..sure we flame them...but when you stop to think that Celeb X promised you a quality film...and after you spent $xxx to see it found out it is pure shit...well...often they deserve a good beating. Often these folks have lost touch with US and need to be reminded that WE are the people who make their careers possible. THAT is why I love AICN talkbacks...the chance to give my two cents before and After I give my $12 bucks.
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medicinaluser - I understand, you are lonely and afraid, stay here, it's warm and safe
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I'm one of the people who give him shit the second he shows up...and for damned good reason. But I will behave, for the sake of the rest of you. Personally though..I dislike the guys writing...I'm not 8...I do not find pissing robots funny in the least.
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I tip my hat to you, that was indeed a class response that went over my head. in my defence, it's 3;15 in the morning here, I haven't eaten since breakfast on Saturday and the hooker is dead [it wasn't me though]
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Mar 01, 2009 9:26:01 PM CST
So, let me get this straight, Nero wants to keep Kirk out of spa
by yackbacker
That's why he destroys the Kelvin? In an effort to off James Kirk? So, this movie is "Kill Kirk"- a samurai tale of revenge and mayhem? Yeesh, I need drugs to see this one...
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way to go, limited character space subject headers!
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You may call me em. Also, it's he.
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btw hooker isn't dead was just pretending and hoping get anyway without working
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if medicinaluser shows and gets nasty can you respond with something witty and hurtful [say I said it]
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to make that fucking whinny bastard shut up about his ex girlfriend. Jeez 90 minutes of "Beth...Beth...Beth..." ad infinitum, while the most incredible event in human history is happening around you? Hey JJ, how about putting the monster in the monster movie next time. You owe me six bucks!
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I much mellowly now have had good long smoke (joys of having a dealer who will come to you at 4am), FamousEccles lets make us some sweet manlurve. I change my mind about ST btw, if they cross it with Cloverfield and do a good mashup count me in opening night.
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Mar 01, 2009 10:32:17 PM CST
JJ Trek fits in canon because it's in an entirely different univ
by tallboy66
Therefore, the only thing that is really "in canon" is Nero and Old Spock (see: Star Trek - Countdown for all the setup). Once they jump timelines / universes, then JJ and Co can do whatever they want, so, yeah ,it is in canon. JJ's Canon.
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That pompous montherfucker got me for $24! Two prime time tickets..and thats not counting the Fucking Popcorn...that was actually fresher than Cloverfield.
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If you feel so strong about this upcoming Trek film hows bout putting your pocketbooks where your egos are.Come back here after opening night...and if the majority here say it SUCKED, and lets be Honest..this crew knows sucking far better than Joe Movie goer....Step up be men and Donate the first weeks take to a Charity of your choosing in the name of the AICN Talkbackers. and if it is Good? Well...on the remote chance it is Wrath of Khan level good...then your only reward will be to say "told you so" and keep the cash, making your mistresses/pushers/dealers/pimps that much happier.
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Different bunch of yuppies (recognizable faces this time) "go back in" to the disaster area (with heavy artillery this time) to find out what really happened the last time.
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...they all get chomped, crushed, and exploded over the course of the film. What's not to like?
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How about...the script, the acting, the creature, the stale plot, the "camera" work...
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for courage. take some more then instead of 'manlurve' you'll be able to type 'let's fuck'.
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talkback is actually about movies and not jealous losers who hate everything because of their own lack of creativity and balls
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For courage :/ where did I say that? Also yes there is actually a site like the one you mention. Thankyou for asking.
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I want to know more about Avatar. Its the film I'm looking forward to seeing. Harry, where's the news and the Jim Cameron synopsis of his Planet Of The Apes you promised to reveal since 2001?
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This "new" Star Trek looks great. Far better than VOY and ENT. It just looks and feels cool.
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you changed from being aggressive to suddenly admitting you wanted me have you. seriously is there a movie site where the tb doesn't end up like this
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http://tinyurl.com/ce7ras
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...McCoy and the gang, forever with a big budget to accommodate any Sci-fi idea worth doing. That's why. Kirk Spock and McCoy are characters, legendary characters. Shatner is a goof ball and Nimoy takes black and white photos of naked people. Deforest is dead.
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then Doctor Who. I don't don't care WHO's in it. Hehe.
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Mar 02, 2009 4:35:35 AM CST
I'm only gonna say this and I aint comin back...ever
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Sure I might come back and read some of Harry and Co. reviews but I think I'll stay away from you freaks. Do any of you infantile fuckwits hate fucking everything? I come to this site because I'm pretty much like Harry. I fucking love movies. Sure I would never go to chocolate covered pussy juice extremes, but I know where he is coming from. Fuck you all. Dick, Pussy, Snot & Shit....Goodnight.
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Is that there's always the germ of a good idea, but then they get all fucking stupid with it like some spastic kid on 13 pixie sticks. It's the aggressively mediocre school of mystery/spy/X-files/monster movie/sci-fi reboots.
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Can't wait!
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Would you like fries with that bucket of shit?
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I totally dug Cloverfield yet recoil at the idea of a sequel. But I'll take a quirky movie like Cloverfield over Deathrace, Harry Potter, Friday 13th or any of the other tripe you might call good.
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Couldn't disagree more. Take the six billion people on the planet... now subtract the 5 million or so Trekkies. Those other 5 billion 995 million people don't care about the great universe. The know Kirk, Spock, McCoy and the concept of beaming up. The big three are iconic characters that have become larger than the actors who played them originally. Seeing new actors play them might sting for a second like pulling of a bandaid, but in the end it will be for the best for the franchise.
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...would be a good idea. I meant "greater universe" and obviously the first word of the next sentence was "The" and not "Te".
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Same movie, but shot from the perspective of the monster, then as seen by some other guy, then as viewed through the eyes of a subway rat, then the same movie, but as experienced from a slice of pizza....
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What's the prob with a monster knocking over buildings, then picking up a single human? I can kick over an anthill if I like, then pick up one single ant and drop him without mangling him. Question is.. why would I want to... but that's another issue
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epic phail
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Your argument doesn't hold water. Just because a character is created explicitly for the screen doesn't mean that only one actor can play the part. By that line of reasoning, only Peter Sellers could be Inspector Clouseau...
Ok, you win. I'll shut up now... :)
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so let me see if i get this place. you come here, bitch about everything you don't like and then go back and watch all that stuff again just so you can complain about it some more. i hope this was your vision when you created it harry.
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Well, don't let the door hit ya where the FSM split ya.
But in all honesty, people like you splitting, not sticking around, is part of why this place sucks so much from time to time. Reconsider. -
was fun!
I thought it was a great reworking of something like "The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms" (which inspired me to start drawing comics when I was in second grade.)
Plus it had one of the best teaser trailers I have ever seen. And the most intriguing supplemental "real" propoganda supporting the movie.
I'm more annoyed by Batman's voice and head shape design in Dark Knight then the weak intensity and motivation of the lead guy in "Cloverfield" to stick around and rescue the girl. -
Mar 02, 2009 2:22:19 PM CST
You dislike Batman's head more than the Cloverfield douches?
by tallboy66
Uh, sure.
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seriously, why can't we leave the original crew alone already? Geez. I love Kirk and Spock and the rest of the gang as much as the next guy, but damn, can't we move on with the rest of our lives and leave them alone?
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Everyone bit it at the end. I couldn't believe they killed off everyone, I really wasted a hour and a half with that movie.
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They actually told you in text at the beginning of the movie what was going to happen. Of course everyone bit it. It couldn't have ended any other way from the premise.
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"Seriously, there was no reason to have different people play characters which have become so connected to the actors who played them, that anyone else will always appear as a fake (however well they do it)."There is a reason to have different people play them... Shatner, Nimoy, the corpse of Kelley, etc, wouldn't look good playing their younger selves. So logically, you have to have new people play them.
"Seriously, just because they have the name doesn't make them Kirk, Spock or Bones. That's the problem. They will not be."
Same is said for Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley. They only played the parts. You sound like a fanboy who can't separate reality and fiction already."You could continue adventures in their universe, however, by making NEW characters."Luckily we have tons of new characters in this universe! :)"But you know, that requires TALENT - instead of stealing someone else's ideas,"If you are implying it takes "talent" for new characters, looks like we have plenty of it here. No one else's ideas are being stolen it seems.Thanks for playing! -
But no. He bit it. Anyway, the monster looked like the Rancor.
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Any of them could technically have lived as it is a fictional story. It didn't have to open with a title card explaining that the camera was found in the wreckage by the army. Even then any of them could have survived provided whatshisnuts lost the camera somewhere along the way. We wouldn't have known anything that happened to them after that, but it could have happened. The monster did look like a rancor though.
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wasting the monster. That was cool.
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I saw the movie one time in the theater and hardly remember it.Odette Yustman or whatever her name is super fucking hot though... That much was seared into my retinas!
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Cloverfield was a good idea that wasn't executed very well. The single camera idea holds up for short durations, but not for an entire film, especially with the amount of time that is covered in the film. Blair Witch had multiple cameras, battery swap-outs, multiple perspectives, etc.
They could have told the same story, an intimate story told during a monster attack as a regular film, without the conceit of a diary...and it would have been more involving (well, depending on who was in the cast, I suppose).
Or, My choice, would have been to do it World War Z style, where it was a faux documentary that cuts between survivor interviews and different camera footage/perspectives/recreations.
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Old Trek wins. Forever. Because, you cannot replace the chemistry between the old cast.
And the New Trek shouldn't even try. Why they didn't just make a COMPLETE REBOOT, I will never know. Or, you know, ignore the prequel angle and make a sequel set in the future, with a new beginning--heck it could even be the story of the last of the Kirk family, the decendant of Jim Kirk's nephew. And there is some guy trying to kill him/her JUST LIKE THIS NEW MOVIE, only without all the time travel/cannon/geek history/bad design/baggage/crap. Abrams' success with genre television would mean that his fans would have come over for anything, and the Trek fans would want to check out a new Trek (much in the way they are cautiously looking at this remake).
In the end, the Studio went back to Kirk/Spock/McCoy because the powers-that-be weren't inventive enough to make something new. So, like every other production company in Hollywood, they said: "Hey, the Marketing Department said this name Star Trek seems to have some people who still care for it--but we can't seem to get kids under 20 to look at anything old, so let's remake it, regurgitating the old names and make it glossy like Apple products. If there is something we don't understand, we'll just throw a lot of money at it."
That way, the budget will be so big that there are only two options: Failure and The biggest Hit EVER!!
When in reality, this will probably be a modest hit, like every other Star Trek film--and the money guys will have a hard time justifying a potential sequel. Then, Paramount will wish they had made a film that catered to it's built-in audience.
Oh, how they will rue the day!
Well, you know I am just kidding about them Ruing the day. They don't know how to Rue, or what Regurgitation is (hint: It's puking)... -
Mar 03, 2009 5:53:32 AM CST
Oh and that guy that is upset that we make fun of everything...
by bones
...Even the famous writers and directors who show up in the talkbacks.
Shut the f*ck up. You think that the Hollywood types aren't here with assumed names, doing the very same thing? Geeks are geeks. We have opinions and critique everything--and many of us live for arguments and passionately taking a stand. Stop taking things personally--we all want the same things: fun, smart genre movies, TV, games and comics.
We just will never agree and what exactly "Good" is. Thank the Maker! -
It will be the biggest hit of the 11 films and the money guys at Paramount will start giving each other high 5's. Whether it's good or not remains to be seen, and I'm also not suggesting it will be the biggest hit of 2009... I'm just telling you it will be the biggest of the films to date.
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about something more altruistic. I see folks here writing, near, essay length rants. It's just, in this case, it's about some grand conspiracy to make Star Trek suck an not about...oh, a million other problems in the world.
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Mar 03, 2009 3:26:43 PM CST
Bitch Bitch Bitch, that's all to many ever do, WELL DONT GO SEE
by the founder
I'm for real don't go and see the new trek. It's that simple.
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All I've seen of the film looks good to me. I'm not gonna complain about it cause Trek was officially dead. There was 0 interest in it from non Trek fans, and hardcore trek fans don't amount to even enough to warrent a Saturday morning cartoon. I'm not saying that Abrams's film will be great or classic but I'm willing to bet i like it as well as some non trekkies who judging by the many whispers after the trailer was shown in the theater I saw another movie in it looks like some are gonna go and see it.
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Here's a link! WOW! It really makes you want to see the movie. I think this is going to be good!
http://jonn.co.uk/movies/modules/news/article.php?storyid=472
It's the last movie on the page. -
http://jonn.co.uk/movies/modules/news/article.php?storyid=472
Try this one sorry!
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