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More Casting Rumors out of England about STAR WARS EPISODE 2
Here's what THE DAILY MIRROR in England has had to say about Robert Carlyle and Episode 2. No mention of character, though Tarkin would be cool. Anyway.... here's the report. (Consider this as a RUMOR till proven otherwise)
CARLYLE IS TIPPED FOR STAR WARS
STAR Wars bosses are lining up British actor Robert Carlyle for the next space film saga.
The Phantom Menace only hit UK cinemas last week but plans are already ongoing for a money-
spinning sequel.
And Scots-born Carlyle is heavily tipped for the new cast.
Movie maker George Lucas is said to be impressed by Carlyle's rapid rise to stardom.
The quietly-spoken Full Monty actor has just completed work on the new James Bond film at
Pinewood.
He plays Renard the Fox, who plots to steal nuclear bombs in The World Is Not Enough.
A production source revealed: "Robert says he fulfilled a dream by appearing in a Bond movie -
now he is set to achieve yet another."
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I don't really know about any newspaper that says that plans have already started on a money spinning sequal. They were started many many years ago, and you would think that most major media outlets would have realized that.
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Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Sam Jackson, and now Robert Carlyle. Christ, this movie is going to kick ass! Now if they just don't screw up the casting of Anakin, we'll be ready to rock.
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Friend-- since you are, as you say, just "beginning to think", I think it's smashing that you can categorize absolutely what Lucas does into what's "right" and "wrong". Well, correct me if I'm "wrong", but is that truly all you think that Lucas got right, or are you just aligning yourself with all the others who take a pot shot at lucas at any chance? Everyone can agree that there were some debateable(sp?) aspects of Ep.1 as far as quality, but why do some seem to take it so personally? "Gosh, that Jar Jar, ewww, he makes mesa so mad! Man, Lucas blah blah sell-out blah blah money grubber blah blah can't get anything right." The first time I saw the PM, I didn't watch it, I analyzed it. I was so nervous about it, I had a hard time enjoying it--I was second guessing every dialogue choice, every camera angle--to the point where I was deciding what I thought about each scene. It wasn't until the second time that I could actually take the movie as a whole and, think me unhip, I actually liked it. It IS Star Wars. I feel myself WANTING some of the cool merchandise. No matter how much I loved, say, Armagedden (which I didn't), I still wouldn't a frickin' Bruce Willis doll with a voice chip that says "Let's be heroes." I'll take an Ewan McGregor action figure that says something silly like "I have a bad feeling about this" any day.
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Hi,
I just learned that the title will be:
Star Wars Episode2: Tears of a Clone
thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. try the shrimp. -
There are several (many) rumors about who is up for a role in Episode 2, Carlyle, Gillian Anderson, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Gabriel Byrne....the list goes on. If you ask me, I think getting any of these would be cool, but I hope the Carlyle rumor is true. Anybody see 'Ravenous'? He was great in that.
Also, since I have never posted yet, let me say one brief thing about TPM. There were some parts that could have been improved, but overall it was good. It was entertaining, which to me is the most important thing. I think/hope/am sure that Episodes 2&3 will be even better. Those who doubt TPM's story will soon see the error of their ways when all six are seen as one.
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Incidently, if anyone wants to talk about upcomming movies, feel free to e-mail me.
I think Sleepy Hollow will be cool. -
noo... just kidding. ENCORE, ENCORE, ENCORE
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Is it just me? Or does anyone else think that Christopher Walken would be perfect for the role of Tarkin? He was up for Han Solo for the original Star Wars so it's time Lucas gave him his due. Besides that, they both look alike. Especially with the boney cheeks and all. What do you guys think?
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As long as Jar-Jar isn't hogging screen space by spinning on his head in front of any fine actor, while singing "Mesa-Yousa-Woosa" , then it will be a good movie.
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McGregor and Carlyle together again, how about Jonny Lee Miller as Anakin? He was good in Trainspotting. (Not so good in Hackers, but who could have been?) If half the rumors are true, this casting director is a genius! Christopher Walken would be a great Tarkin. Gabriel Byrne would be a great anyone. I'm happy.
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First casting....Robert Carlyle, the first part that popped into my head for him to play is the young *TARKIN* , maybe its that he can play a smug, weasely bastard that did it.Someone who could play arrogant and charming and yet be willing to land a Starship on a group of protesters (see The official magazine 'star wars;technical journal of the rebel forces), what an asshole! Perfect for R.C!
Is it just me or does Ep.2 have to have Anakin and Amidala married(?) right from the start(could be stated in the opening crawl), the birth of the twins about Half way through, While Anakin and Obi Wan are away on some mission. While on this mission Anakin turns and he and Obi Wan square off for the climatic duel! A good ending to that would be for a badly disfigured/mangled hand to emerge right before the end credits.Ep.3 could be the betrayl(spelling?) and the hunting down of the Jedi by Darth Vader, with Ben in a race to hide the twins.
The only reason I think this is the way Ben explained things in Ep.4....bare with me, Ben says the Jedi were betrayed and hunted down by Vader, note..VADER , so Anakin has to change fairly early on ( in the current trilogy ) for the hunting down/betrayl to be covered properly. Also remember when leia told luke what she remembered of her mother, young and beautiful.What is the earliest age you can remember vividly what your mothers looked like, 2-4 yrs old? Sorry for the length. Please I want alot of feedback on what I've said. Give me both barrels of the shotgun if Ive fucked up please, I can handle it! -
This sounds like a good choice to me. While I didn't like the Full Monty as much as I could have (with about another half-hour tacked on in the 3rd part of the movie, as it ended rather abruptly), I think Carlyse did a good job. And his role in Trainspotting... what can you say? The guy was frightening because we've all known someone like him. Now if they would only cast a few unknowns like George did in the good ol' days (although kudos for the casting of Darth Maul!)
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Carlyle is set to play Sidious' next apprentice, the pint-glass lobbing Darth Begbie, a foul-mouthed Sith Lord from the Punter system.
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Just kidding with the last one. I've seen TPM just once (the first show in London at the Leicester Square Odeon), and really... now that I've seen it, what the **** is the problem? Thoroughly enjoyable to me. Have to see it again (and again) to really enjoy it, I suspect. Now, then, RC. Already in TPM the cast is way ahead of the original trilogy, with the exception of Ford (just watched ANH yesterday), and oh boy does this look good. RC is great in any part, especially as a villain. He's got the air of seductive menace about him. Like the other poster said, he was just unbeliavable as Begbie, your friendly neighbourhood psycho, in Trainspotting. Keep on casting like this!
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Why waste a good actor on the Boba Fett character? The guy will be in a suit with helmet, you'll never see him. My grandmother could play the part and you'ld never know. Do you really think Peter Mayhew is a superb actor just because he stompped around in a Wookie suit for three movies?
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I saw Episode I at the UK premiere. I'm telling you - it's a fucking awesome film. I'm just sorry so many miserable bastards can't enjoy themselves once in a while.
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That's just it! there is no problem with Phantom menace!! the world has just become a place where everything has to be dark and evil. If you look at the old Star Wars movies with a fresh eye and look at TPM, you will see that other than digital effects, not all that much has changed!! TPM is pure Star Wars universe! and to all those jarjar haters... Remember the Ewoks?! what about Yoda in ESB? Did any of you hear what Lucas said about this whole thing? stating that way back when those movies came out, there were people who hated those characters ( older, no-fun people )... yes! people who thought that Yoda was silly and childish!! *GASP* imagine that!!!
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Every single solitary negative aspect of Phantom can be found in the previous movies. I'll even go one further: Every poo poo of this movie can be found in the original Star Wars!! To wit:
1. C3PO would have gotton just as much flack as Jar Jar if we had met him today.
2. The weak plot about escaping the death star under fire but actually being 'let go' with a homing device??
3. And why didn't the death star just blow up the big planet Yavin at the end?
4. The wooden acting. Yes, Harrison Ford especially.
5. Humanity? Emotions? Humor? Is this the same Star Wars? Please go rent the first one over again.
Did any of these things detract from this movie becoming the greatest story of my childhood? When I walked out of Phantom, the kids were foaming at the mouth. They wore frigging Amidala and Jar Jar masks to the theater! And I have news for you...Star Wars ANH gets more sneers and rasberries from these kids than three Phantom Menaces put together.
I've waited three months to say this. We've calmed down. I've seen the flick a couple times now so...If you didn't have as good a time watching the Phantom Menace as you did with the other SWs--something has broken inside you. Rewind the tape on your life, see a shrink, clear out the attic, you'll realize what you've all lost. I feel sorry for you.
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For SSZero, this one - don't diss the story just because of the surrounding inaccuracies. Unfortunately this is the standard we have to put up with in British tabloids... They sure as hell ain't going to realise how long the first trilogy's been planned, and most tabloid hacks probably couldn't tell the difference between a sequel and a prequel without a dictionary. Just a thought - doesn't mean the rumour's true either, although it is undeniably *very* cool. And who says Fett's going to be in a mask yet, anyway?
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Word from Rupert Murdoch is that he wants it called Star Wars Episode 2 - Send in the Clones.
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well...i love Robert..and i hope he does get a smashing role in SW2...but i think the perfect casting choice for a young grand moff tarkin is James Marsters. He plays Spike on TV's Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I mean look at that guy's cheekbones, plus he does a pretty good british accent.
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It's both, actually. It's a sequel to TPM, and a prequel to the "original" trilogy. So it's a seprequel, to coin a phrase. The final word on the subject, I thank you. Oh, and Lucas himself has stated that Boba Fett will be in Episode 2. Let's face it, after killing off Darth Maul, he's got to sell merchandise somehow...hubba hubba! As for Ep 2 casting...Carlyle as Tarkin sounds about right. He should kick bottom, but I have to take exception to him being described as a "star". Only in his home country, friends, only in Blighty. Right: one last thing. The title for Episode 2 has been confirmed. George told me in a dream. It's going to be Star Wars Episode 2: The Bloody Evisceration of Jar Jar Binks. Or maybe that's just my subconscious telling me something again...
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I hated the freaky thing but kids loved him! How do I know? My girlfriend is a teacher at an elementary school and the kids won't shut up about how cool he and Darth Maul were. So to all you people who say kids hate him or should hate him, guess what? You're wrong! Now if we could only do something about that stupid Yoda puppet, I mean come on, he's only in there to sell action figures...
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Don't forget Spud! We can't have a Trainspotting reunion without Spud! He could be the comical side-kick Jedi who's only real talent is using the force to fling poo in the faces of his unwitting adversaries. I can picture Yoda lecturing, "Much to learn of the force, young Master Shiteflinger, before a Jedi you'll be."
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After, like, a YEAR of trying to get my girlfriend to watch the Star Wars trilogy, she finally broke down and did it. Well,actually, she was laid up with a , incapacitating flu-type-thing and didn't have the strength to fight...Anyhowever, when Ben says to Luke: "This was your father's lightsaber, he wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. Afraid you'd blah blah on some damn-fool idealistic crusade."
YOUR FATHER WANTED YOU TO HAVE THIS. Man, I got chills. That simple statement carried a lot of weight and told me Anikin, at some point had some hand in his offspring's lives and actually cared for them, wanting to pass down important articles to his begotten son, wanting to see him follow in his old man's footsteps. My dad's got a rifle that's been handed down from as farback as his Great-grandfather. I think it's pretty much the same.
On a side note, the knowing looks between Beru and Owen at times and Ben's face when he lies to Luke, those are a lot more subtle story-telling than many people give Lucas credit for. I can't wait to see the rest of this g(r)eek tragedy. -
I agree with the previous post-er when he says that certain moments in the original trilogy are very chilling when relating them to events that will take place in the prequels. However, when Ben tells Luke that Luke's Father wanted him to have the saber, I believe that it was old Ben telling a little fib, ala, "From a certain point of view." But I may have my head up my ass along with that neato 12" Electronic Darth Maul. Heheh... But seriously, if you want to really see something cool, get a picture of Anakin from Episode 1(Jake Lloyd), then get a picture of Anakin from Episode 6(Sebastian Shaw), when he is lying on the ramp of the shuttle, dying. Put them next to eachother and ask yourself, "How did we get from here to there?" And then take a moment to ponder Episodes 2 & 3...Regardless of actors, dialogue, sets, cgi, or any of the media, Pepsi, ToysRUs bullshit, we are in for a HELL of a ride. In the words of Anakin himself, "YIPEE!!!!"
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This is all old news. George Lucas has already confirmed that Gary Coleman will play the adult Anakin in Ep. 2. and that the title wil be "Wha'chu talkin' 'bout Sidious?"
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I'll just have everyone know that, if you did't know already, British papers are renowned for their B.S.!!-PRBABLY EVERY MAJOR BRITISH AND AMERICAN CHARACTER ACTOR IS ATLEAST BEING CONSIDERED!!!
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people!!! wake up! anakin didnt know about the kids remember? its just obi-wan lying so he could get luke to follow him and become a jedi. if anakin wanted his son to have a lightsaber hed have to know he had a son. and on another note i think it would be cool if they never told the adience that vader is anakin untill empire strikes back. i mean that would make vader just that more haunting.
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I couldn't agree with you more about TPM. I almost tore the arm rests off my chair during the Jedi/Darth Maul duel. Because Star Wars is and has been so much more to people than just a movie series, of course a lot of moviegoers were disappointed and confused. There's no way for any of us to return to who we were in 1977 in order to have the same experience with TPM. If there was one element missing from Episode One, it was a character equivalent to Luke Skywalker. We learned about Lucas' universe along with him, watching him grow to manhood, rooting for him all the way. In TPM, the Anakin character is too young to carry the same dramatic weight as Luke did. And there is no other character in TPM that an adult audience can easily identify with. The Neeson Jedi is already fully developed, remote and inscrutable. That is what, in my opinion, people are reacting to. So much for my critique.
With the creative power of his own brainchild, ILM, behind him, Lucas has entered a realm unknown to any other film auteur: he literally can put on the screen anything he wants, anytime he wants, in as many versions as he wants. This means he has the creative freedom to reach or even exceed his own talents, with every frame destined to be endlessly analyzed and debated by a large portion of the human race. TPM is magnificent. What ILM has done with digital movie technology is unprecedented. Lucas is a visionary genius, the like of which we will probably never see again. We should all enjoy his contributions to our culture while we still can. Bravo, George!
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Ewan & Robert Carlyle together again? Sounds good to me. They were way cool together in Trainspotting. I can see it now : Robert breaks a bottle over Palpatine's head while Ewan rolls his eyes & sighs. Robert then turns to Palpatine's minions, "What the fook? Who's next? Yew? Yew? Obi, I needs a smoke." Can't wait. Thank God DiCrapio turned down the best thing that almost fell in his lap. What a douchebag.
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Well... JarJar is supposed to be in Episodes 2 and 3. Boba Fett is as well. We've never seen Boba Fett without his mask on... Could JarJar be Boba Fett? It'd explain his girlish scream! ______________ Or maybe, since there are always 2 Sith, and until Anakin becomes Darth Vader, Sidious will need an apprentice... DarthDarth Binks! "Meesa Sith!" And then Anakin can fight and kill him to prove his worth!
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That would be just the best piece of casting. Not only is Oldman one of the finest actors around, he even looks and sounds like a younger Peter Cushing. C'mon George you know it makes sense
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With Caryle on board (supposedly), I'd have fun if they could re-create the some scenes with Obi-Wan and Caryle from Trainpotting. He could go to the "Wost Toilet in Corusant" or have Obi-Wan yell out "Its SHITE being a Jedi!" or. . .aw, to hell with it, this joke ran out of steam awhile ago. . .
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Hey everybody. Greetings from Ireland. We all seem to have forgotten something. When the cast for TPM (which kicked ass, by the way, and I don't give a banta shit what anybody says) was announced, Adrian Dunbar was to play Tarkin as a young man. Once the film started shooting, all mention of this disappeared.Maybe his character was in a very early draft or something. But he is ideal for the role, cause he has a weird pointy nose or something. Ah to hell with it, I'm going to bed.....
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What about Jeremy Irons for Tarkin. He bears a resemblance to Peter Cushing and is a good actor with an english accent (we NEED that...). Maybe he's too old, but Tarkin in Episode 4 was a dinosaur... I don't think Cristopher Walken has the voice for it, he's too American.
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Anakin DID know he had child, he did not know he had twins. Supposedly, she gives birth when Anakin is absent, Ben gets the kids away, then Vader kills her for it...
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I'm from the UK and the Mirror is probably the biggest pile of shite ever pulped and turned into a newspaper. Although RC would be cool it's more likely that they made it up to fill space.
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Because basically, it contradicts everything we know. Vader had no idea he had kids. If he or the Emperor suspected this, they would've been hunting them from day one. If you remember, in ROTJ, Vader tells Luke that the Emperor has forseen his death at his hands. The sith are a backstabbing lot, demonstrated by Vader who wants to join forces with Luke to whack off the Emperor. That's why Yoda says, "There are always two, no more, no less." Palpy keeps the sith count low so he can off any challengers. Also, I think the twins will be born between EP2&3. That would make Leia old enough to remember her mother, and it could be explained in a two-minute conversation that the children were split up and why. I really hope this is the case -- I don't want to see Amidala running around pregnant during EP3 -- that would be a lame way for her character to go out. I'd rather see her lead an army against Anakin (he forsaw her leading a great army in a dream).
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I could see Carlye as a Han Solo-esque space pirate. Not as a Jedi, though, and definitely not as Tarkin.
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"You'd better sweat those midi-chlorians out of your system or I'll fucking kick them out."
Is there anything better than Carlyle possibly once again interacting w/ Ewan? And this time in a fucking Star Wars movie? Shit. You know the answer.
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To Dennis, just to be pedantic, it was infact a fellow named Darth Bane who, after seeing the self-destructive nature of the Sith War all those years ago when the individual Sith fought for the supreme title of Dark Lord, decided the best way to go about it was to have one Dark Lord and he or she should have one apprentice. That way, there would be less chance of the Sith being wiped out as they very nearly were. This is also why the Jedi think they have been gone all this time.
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1. It would be great to have Obi-Wan do a voice-over for Ep2 like Ewan's character in Trainspotting.
2. Begbie as Tarkin is an excellent call. He fits well.
3. Those who posted on "Tears of a Clone", "Darth Begbie", and "Wha'chu'talkin'bout Sidous"...very funny. I nearly pissed myself when I read those.
4. Episode I sucked. Period. End of story. Ep's 2 and 3 better be good, since they are at the crux of the whole trilogy. I hope Goiter-boy Lucas doesn't fuck those up.
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It's all well & good George Lucas will make episodes 1 to 3 completing the two trilogies but we all know he wants a nine part saga meanin he'll have to make a concluding trilogy to follow return of the jedi, I'm worried he won't be alive to finish them meaning all movie fans will be left hangin on to a half completed cinematic saga!!!
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hiya, long time reader first time writer.
I just wanna deal with the formalities first. TPM rocked, its one of the best films i have seen in years, i loved jar jar and i thought the special effects were amazing and its perfect starwars.
As for these casting rumours of RC and GB. Both would be great in the film but byrne would have to be tarkin, not caryle(hes too young lookin really)
I dunno who said but i think they were right when they said about having anakin become vader in ep2.
but more importantly i don't know if i'm the only one who reckons that maul will come back for ep2. Afetr all lucas has asked his artista to com up with conceptual pics of what maul would like if he retunred(the clone being the most prominent). Having recently bought the illustarted screenplay i noticed lots of omissions but only 1 real change. When maul does his 'revenge' speech it was originally through a holoprojection thing, yet in the film he is there. This ties in to the fact that he got from the centre of the galaxy(coruscant) to tatooine on the outer rim in a matter of hours, not even light speed is that fast. So therefor ei think thhat there were 2 darth mauls in TPM, what does everyone else think? -
Kids may love the lame character of Jar Jar, but they also love Teletubbies and Barney. An aspect that is not necessary for the SW films to be successful with youngsters (unless you are saying we were more sophisticated in the 80's. I personally found the more subtle droids and Chewbacca to be more entertaining.) BTW, I don't think it is more darkness that American's were craving in the SW film (although...everyone seems to admit that the "darkest" moment in the film, the saber fight was the best part.) I think people were complaining about the lack of story and too much reliance on special effects. Which is a valid point. Don't let your excitement override your objectivity.
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Well, this is better than all that Leo crap. I am still laughing over the fact that he is reported to have rejected the script for EP2 outright, and that he thought TPM sucked.
The kid may be cocky and what not, but he does have some talent, and must have some sense after all. He was old enough to see the originals when they were in the theater, so as a fan who grew up with them, like a bunch of us, he too, knew an inferior product when he saw one. If all of this is really true, then I say "Way to go, Leo!"
As for the people mentioned in this article, I don't know who the hell they are or where they came from. You know what? Good! I want a cast of unknowns in that thing, just like the other Star Wars films at the time. I don't want to be sitting there and see someone like Samuel L. Jackson in there, and all I think about is Pulp Ficiton, The Negotiator, Time to Kill, etc. You almost wait for him to utter another "Bad ass mother&^%$er." He is talented and he is cool, but...having him in that thing, in a throwaway role, just didn't seem right. Whatever... too late to fix the damage that TPM has done short of having the studio disavowing the thing outright and doing what I think a lot more people are starting to wish at this point, and that is that they should have just left well enough alone, if this is the way they are going to do it. Jar Jar... ugh. -
Yeah, the Mirror could make this up/ print any old rumour, but I read it in at least one other paper: I think the Daily Telegraph, which is a respectable broadsheet. Still maybe 50/50 chance of truth, though, I'd say. I could see McGregor vouching for him to Lucas. PLUS seeing as Lucas removed a shot from TPM of Maul still alive, he could well be in EP2. As OF COURSE will Neeson. If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than etc etc. Of course, Old Ben then proceeds to 'become powerful' by occasionally turning up and glowing. Wooo. I predict Neeson will become 'more powerful than... etc' in a full on digital thunder and lightning manner. Oh, and the Pod Race and everthing after 'We'll enter via the secret entrance by the waterfall' was good. The rest was pants. Oh, and Anakin blew up that droid control ship a bit quickly! It felt rushed. Sorry, only saw it 2 days ago. Remember: Qui-Gon Jinn to kick ass in EP 2 and 3!
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Not bad casting suggestions we're getting here. Robert Carlyle and Gabrield Byrne would fit like a glove into the STAR WARS saga. Now as long as Leo doesn't play Anakin, I'll be happy.
And to those who think TPM sucked and that Lucas can't direct, it could have been worse. Tim Burton could have directed it! Then instead of a silly but fun plot, we'd have had gothic freaks and NO plot! In short, give Lucas a break. TPM was better than you're giving it credit for. -
Jul 24, 1999 11:08:39 AM CDT
I got a great title for EPISODE TWO! "THE WELL DESERVED APOLOGY
by ghostoflanemyers
Look, I more than anyone I know waited with the kind of anticipation you just haven't ever known before. I love STAR WARS, BUT I FUCKING HATED EPISODE ONE!!!!
Let's face facts, it sucked. As a film, it sucked. Anyone who says different is either a total fool or in total denial.
EPISODE TWO BETTER BE FUCKING BETTER THAN EPISODE ONE OR LUCAS CAN BEND OVER AND GET ASS RAMMED BY THE WACHOWSKI BROTHERS WHEN "MATRIX 2-3" COME OUT!!!
That's as sure a fucking fact as the sun eventually going out and wiping this Shitmall of a planet we've fashioned for ourselves from existence.
"The Phantom Menace" was fucking awful.
The true sci-fi flick this year was "The Matrix". It did everthing right and even though it might not have grossed enough to put everyone in Mexico, (The New Hollywood Backlot, fuck you very much James fucking Cameron.) back in big fucking hats and happy on fifty cents a day, it was THE BEST SCI-FI FLICK OF THE YEAR AND PROBABLY ALL FUCKING DECADE!!!!
That's open to debate, but not really that wide.
The point is, STAR WARS is still great, but the prequels are cynical, pandering pieces of shit to poison the minds of the youth with the kind of merchandising you'd usually see out of that little corner of Hell on Earth. (DISNEY!)
EPISODE TWO had better do everything EPISODE ONE didn't. I don't have a threat to back this up, but I think Lucas knows it too. -
the matrix better than TPM, i don't think so. And as for all those people saying that TPm had no plot/story, are you really watching it. Any true starwars fan can see the dramatic irony flowing from almost every scene. And if you put it in context there isn't supposed to be any real rebels against the empire storyline anyway.
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Episode One blew fat, gooey chunks. The only dramatic irony was the fact that this excrement had a "Star Wars" label on it. It should have been about Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Darth Maul. Jake Lloyd and the Pod-Racer announcer fucked it up. Goiter boy was too busy masturbating to the thought of cheesy, overpriced merchandise that he forgot to make a good movie.
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Just for the record.... The other day the Swedish evening paper Expressen confirmed that Pernilla August would return in Ep.2 as Schmi...
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I have watched ROTJ countless times and not once have I thought, "God damn it, these bastard Ewoks need to die."
No, far from it in fact. They are part of the whole SW universe which, let's face it, is fairly well geared towards kids. I mean, if you took furry little comedy bears and stuck them in any other film, how could you proclaim that you were making an adult picture? Obviously, the nature of the story means it appeals to all ages but, come on, all the Star Wars films are so dumbed down that they are clearly kiddie flicks first and foremost. What you have is a fun film that uses corny dialogue because it doesn't need to be Shakespeare. "Use the Force" - sorry? What the hell is that? "The ability to destroy an entire planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force" - Yeah, right! These are statements, throwaway lines that have become famous - but we can all see that they equate to bollocks dialogue, like a cartoon.
So every time you see Jar Jar and bawlk, just shut the hell up because you are taking your expectations of a good film and removing all fantasy, cartoon elements from it, leaving a fantastic script and a moody, atmospheric masterpiece in it's place. IS THIS STAR WARS? IS IT HELL.
I thought the bit where Jar Jar gets a shock from the energy beam of the pod was great, really well done. But then, I accept the film for what it is. Why don't the rest of you moody bastards?
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How many people who "diss" TPM actually know what they're talking about. Anybody here a professional screenwriter/actor/director? Anybody? I'm in film school. But I don't profess to know what is good and what isn't. "The acting was shit" Who here can do better? No one. Who here can write a good story? No one. Why do people think they know what good directing is? Everyone is trying to hard to analyze and break down every little microscopic aspect of TPM. But they should shut up! The movie was fun. If you didn't like it, fine, everyone has a right to their own opinion. It did have a few problems. But if you didn't like it than shut up about it. Don't bitch at other fans and call them stupid because they liked it. And definately don't you dare try to destroy Lucas. Lucas is one of the most creative people ever. If he were in it for the money (like that egotistical bastard James Cameron) there would probably be 14 Star Wars by now. There IS a story and it is a good film.
I'm not picking out anybody in particular but I have put up with enough negativity.
Anyway, casting rumors: Carlyle is a great actor and it would be fun to see him in Star Wars. I can't really see him as a character we already know (i.e. Tarkin, Fett) but he has the ability to pull off most roles. Gabriel Byrne would be cool for Tarkin. Whoever said Gary Oldman, I commend you. He is my favorite actor and is always good. He can do many accents well. Examples: British (his native), Texan? (5th Element), Rumanian (Dracula), German (Immortal Beloved), Russian (Air Force One), American with no accent (Murder in the First) and so on. He is also capable of being evil, cruel, wicked, etc.
Tarkin should be British (or at least be able to master that accent) and skinny (at least in the face, needs boney cheeks).
Anybody know of Peter Stormare, I think he's great (Fargo, Big Lebowski, 8MM, the cheesy Armaggedon). He would look cool as Boba Fett but he's too old I think. Jet Li seems like the best choice if Boba is to fight a lot. Of course you could always have Ray Park (wouldn't a Park-Li fight be awesome?).
A note on TPM, it fits into the saga well and it is entertaining. Lets look at all four.
ANH - cheesy dialogue more than anything, but still better than I could do, it remains the only one that can stand as an individual movie - all the others you need a little knowledge about, and Mark Hamill is not THAT bad.
ESB - Yoda is neat, but the Luke training scenes are kinda boring, Lucas should probably replace the Clive Revel Emperor face with an Ian McDiarmid Emperor, I wish we could have gotten to see a little more of the other bounty hunters, oh well.
ROTJ - people say its the worst, but its honestly my favorite, I'll admit that the Ewoks annoyed me, but I was able to look past them to see the best part of the saga which is Emperor Palpatine, Ian McDiarmid is great, the Jabba's palace scenes were fun.
Finally TPM - Jar-Jar and the Gungans were worse than the Ewoks, but tolerable, the acting was fine, Jake Lloyd did what he was told, all those annoying "YIPPEE"'s were needed to show his excitement. Who wouldn't be excited to get to go and train with real Jedi's? I'd do my fair share of "Yippee"'s. Darth Maul could have been used more, but he is just setting the stage (Sidious needs a new apprentice - Anakin). The final fight was great. Sidious is Palpatine and Palpatine was able to shield his darkness at the cremation, but I could be wrong. Hell, I could be wrong about all of this.
I think that Anakin has a new name (Vader) when he falls to the Dark Side and becomes Sith. Then he fights with Obi-Wan (as armor-less Vader) and we all can guess what happens then. Look at the young clones of Palpatine in the firts Dark Empire comics. Look at the costumes of Palpy and DS Luke in the Expanded Universe line. Expect to see something like that.
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First off, I am SICK of people saying that people who didn't like TPM have the problem. A problem? We see crap, call it as such, and that's a problem? We don't 'appreciate' good movies? We have our heads up our butts and can't 'enjoy' a film? WELL GUESS WHAT! I enjoy movies! I enjoy A LOT of movies! I had a blast with Matrix, I got a kick out of Bug's Life, Pleasantville was awesome, and I'd gladly send James Cameron 8 paychecks in a row just as thanks for the unending stream of SUPERB films he gives us. People who 'accept' crap like TPM or Austin 2 are the ones turning Hollywood into some sort billion-dollar manure spreader. DEMAND MORE! In a world where Big Daddy can make 100 mil in one week, we need BETTER FILMS and HIGHER STANDARDS! So I hold YOU people responsible for causing these crap films to be shoved down our throats. All of you that bought ID4 on tape and saw it 3 times in the theatre are the ones that cause crap like ARMAGEDDON to get produced. It seems like good films don't help the industry, and bad ones just make it worse. case- Batman & Robin squeezes out a profit, we get WILD WILD WEST. (ug). Titanic makes more money than God, we get.... nothing. Ug. UG!!! We need the good old fashioned movies where people walk across deserts... Ever notice how many great films take place in northern Africa??? At any rate, please stop telling us TPM dislikers that 'we' have a problem.
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like whoever it was who posted before me (sorry, can't remeber your name) i am a film student.
My point is that if you didn't see the dramtic irony in ep1 you didn't watch it or never saw the original trilogies
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Why do we assume that Boba Fett ages like any normal humanoid? The Falleen (Prince Xizor from Shadows) ages slower than other humanoids. Yoda got to 900 years old. For all we know, under the armour Boba Fett could be a squillion gillion years old, making it perfectly acceptable for him to be an adult in eps 2 and 3. Just a thought.
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I swear to god, I think its safe to say that Kevin Smith will write direct and star as a young Chewbacca in Episode 2. It's clear that the release of Dogma will confirm his greatness as god. And I also know that he'll cast me as Anakin. I also think that since Kevin knows what he be doin' he'll have the bloody death of Jar Jar Stinks be shown. This is going to be one hell of a movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't be so damn stupid!!
What if all the Mandalore (don't you mean "Mandalorians"? - I think you do) and the original Boba Fett are clones of Boba Fett?
No, I don't think this is a good idea. In fact, it is only marginally less lame than the type of person who could suggest it. Boba Fett got his Mandalorian armour from the Mandalorians, he is not the race of Mandalorians cloned infinitum. Mwaahahahahah, interesting idea though.
I know I am a lowly peasant with no power in my opinions, but at least I am sensible.
So, now we have clarified that Boba Fett is probably not a cloning experiment of epic proportions, can I ask why the hell he is in the second episode? What the hell is the reasoning here? I don't care if he is Anakin's little mate (even though this goes against licensed information stating he is Journeyman Protector Jaster Mereel),I just can't see the point of this. Do we need to know about Fett? I think not. Leave him in the last films I say, rather than annihilate his character by shredding him through the inevitable vat of flaming crap that is destined to be Episode 2. I am looking forward to Darth Di Caprio fighting a BEARDED Obi-Wan, whether that's in Ep 2 or 3. But really, as entertaining as it may well be, the more I think about it, it's plain shit with bells and whistles, the Star Wars Machine... -
I have seen Ep1 7 times in Kansas City and each time I focused on a different actor or aspect of the film - costumes, the score, etc. The movie was wonderful and amazing. I thought it was cast very well but imagine my surprise that almost the all the actors had British accents except for the Queen who was simply monotone. It was really cool, but a bit confusing. The first Star Wars movies were so . . . . California. Was this a sort of evolution? The prequel is British and the sequels more American? Interesting thought. LOL!
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I am a screenwriter, and I loved TPM. I realize that the movie had some problems, but that didn't keep me from appreciating the things that did work (All the scenes of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan kicking ass, Podrace, Jedi Council sequences, Senate sequence) While ROTJ was not as good as EP IV and V, it still had the speeder bike chase, Jabba's Palace sequence, and the last thirty minutes of the film with the Emperor and the space battle. It is asking a lot of any filmmaker, not just George Lucas, to make a PERFECT film. Even EP IV has its problems, but the majority of it is awesome and that is why we love it so much. As good a writer as I think I am, I don't know where I would begin to create such a dynamic and detailed universe as Lucas has in the Star Wars movies. The Matrix was a good film, but I pretty much forgot about it within two days of seeing it. I'm still thinking about TPM three months after seeing it. I don't want to downplay the feeling of those who didn't like TPM. You obviously had expectations that the movie did not fulfill and you are entitled to your opinion. I think, however, if you would just go see it again and try to see it as the same child that you were in 1977 when you saw Star Wars; giving yourself up to it rather than dissecting it, you may be able to appreciate it more. Or maybe not.
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damn, you know, a while back, i heard something about the queen (as in Amidala) actually being Boba Fett, anyone have any thoughts on this one?
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Go Leo? He is so puffy from bad living and substance abuse - maybe he could play a Hutt. What are you? A 12 y.o. girl? Go Leo? Quick, hand me an emesis basin. I may puke. Of course, I only meant this in the nicest way. (saccharine smile) No offense, Funmazer. ; )
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I would like to say that after reading millions of comments about TPM, I just do not agree with people that think it sucks. I think it is too bad they do not enjoy the movie for what it is, pure fun! I also agree with the guy about who knows so much about directing, acting etc..
For all those people that loved the original Star Wars trilogy and think George Lucas is at best an ok director, but should have others direct the final 2 episodes, Let me point something out that can not be denied. If you look at the most popular Star Wars movie of all time, it is A New Hope,(adjusted for inflation, Worldwide,Not adjusted for inflation, Rereleases). Now, which of the orignal 3 movies was directed by George Lucas himself? Why, it was A new hope, the most popular movie ever (unless you count adjusted for inflation, than i guess Gone with the Wind beats it out slightly). So perhaps people should start thinking about this fact before they go off about how bad Lucas is as a director, he does things his way.
Here are some arguements as to why TPM sucked. 1) no story (way to simple)- actually I have heard many people say it was so complicated that they had to see it twice to understand the story. I have also heard many people realize it is the most basic story of Good Vs evil, just like every other SW movie. Plus this is an intorduction to a 6 part saga (maby even 9)
2) No character development- again, big intro, also in a way I think we saw Ob1 develop from beginning to end, which is the most important.
3)Darth Maul not developed, too short int the movei-- old saying (more is less, like in a resume)It actually is engenious,makes him more mysterious and scarier by him not saying anything.
4) Characters are racist- When I heard that, I laughed so hard it gave me a headache, I never saw Jar Jar or the Viceroy's people or Watto make racist remarks about anyone. I suppose you may say they are sterotypes, but even at that, this is stupid to even discuss, Lucas spends lots of time studying all religiouns and mytholgies to come up with symbolism for every single thing in every movie, so if it happens to seem like certain sterotypes, blame all the people that have been alive in the last 4000 years who have created symbolism. Besides, if anyone noticed, (Mace Windu-jedi hero, Panaka-goodguy here,one of the pilots that helped destroy the droid ship and the guy who is the voice of jar Jar are all balck actors , which is out of a total human cast of major characters that is around 12 at most, so that is abouut 30%.
5) too kiddie compared to other SW movies- Let us see, the original was full of corny dialog and the like, and the other 2 were made for kids as well. Deal with it.
An analysis of this is that it was very well written. The foreshadowing was excellent, the chemestry of the actors was terrific (just like in the originals!), it links perfectly to the origials. This is an epic epic story like The Iliad and Odyssey. Plus the reason this seems so weird to so many and non starwarsish is the fact that there is no evil empire, no strom troopers, no Darth Vader(anikin as a kid though), no Luke,Leah, Han solo, Tarkin. A copule poop jokes, as well as a couple wierd jokes from Jar Jar. Obi-Wan said in the originals how peaceful everything was before the empire and how elegant and fun it was, this is what we see. In ANH, it was cheerful but they were still more serious, afterall there was awar going on. Plus, even in this, once they went to the Capital and everything got to being serious , there were no more jokes like that. We will see everything develop over the next 2 that explain everything.
That is about all I have to say for now, I would like anyone to respond to this message that feels it to be neccisary and point out all my flaws if you feel the need to be an idiod and like to swear at people and tell them how stupid they are, because I would never stoop to that level since I have a lot of class.
HAve a nice day.
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You know, I respect others opinions on most things, especially when it comes to something as subjective as movies. I agree, there *are* way too many sub-standard crap movies being made out there, especially in the realm of sci-fi/fantasy ("Screamers," anyone?). That said, I don't believe for a moment that TPM is anywhere near as bad as some people on this board (you know who you are ;-)have made it out to be. Yes, it had problems--Jar-Jar was a little *too* silly, like a bad Jerry Lewis on crack; the fart and poop jokes could have been left out. . .damn. I can't really think of anything else! Heh. Oh, yeah--Sam Jackson didn't whup any ass, though I've a feeling they're saving him for Ep. II. In any case, the point is, I loved Ep. I! I caught it on opening night and have seen it twice more since then and may go again this weekend. It was fun, the characters were solidly drawn, there was plot by the *boatload* and the FX. . .well, magnificent doesn't cover it. As I said once to a friend, I want to live in Theed! Yes, it was silly at times and some of the dialog was hokey, but so what? This is Star Wars, not King Lear! It's an old-time Flash Gordon-style serial aimed at all ages, and I was entertained. So sue me. I had a blast. Oh, the Humanity. And I be bumpin' the soundtrack *all* the time! On the other hand, I also saw Armageddon when that was out and thought it grade-Z bantha dung, though miles above the festering obcenity that was the (American) Godzilla movie. But. . .you may be surprised, but I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that liked BOATH of the above! I may not agree with their opinion, but whoopee--to each his/her own. I don't think their in denial or whatever; different people just have different tastes, that's all.
In closing, I'd like to say that the only thing I can really get on Lucas for is all the UberHype-I've seen that TacoBell/KFC/Pizza Hut commercial once and Mother of Allah, may I *never* see it again! Blech. And I don't believe that Leo has turned down the Anakin role; that's just fanboy wishful thinking--the script for Ep II ain't even finished yet, last I heard! Just to piss off the fanboys, I hope that in the next one he's Anankin, the Ewoks make an appearance with their little friends the Smurfs and Jar-Jar gets a musical number! BWAHAHAHAHA!! Um. . .if you're reading this, George, just kidding about those last two, actually. . . -
Lucas is actually planning a secret prequel to take place before the phantom menace, which deals with Qui-Gon and his rebelious nature. It will star Steve Urkel as a young Mace Windu, and will be called "Jed-I do that?"
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to recent posters -
i'm glad i wasn't the only one to see TPM in context and others enjoyed it as much as i
to whoever said about amidala bieng fett -
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Wow! This whole universe just keeps getting better. First of all we had Mark Renton waving his tool around in Phantom, now we get Begby coming in to cause all sorts of buggery. I can hear it now - `Which one of you fucking cunts blew up my planet? and Begby/Tarkin/Carlyle going `Fucking YES!' and kicking the nearest guy in the bollox after eviscerating him with a pint pot. Who needs the wisdom of the Force when Scotch (They HATE that) folks can be in your films? I say Robbie Coltrane as Jabba! Billy Connelly as Boba Fett (See you Vader - BASH!) and Sean Connery as the sneaky fucker who actually shags Amidala. Come on - if Anakin was a virgin birth there's no reason to believe he'd be brimming with the white stuff, is there?
Anyway, I've got to go. Gail Porter is here to audition for a part in my latest space epic `Episode Two - Hide the Salami'. I wonder if she'll take it.
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**Sorry about messing up***
Anyway, its nice to see people who can express their opinion, and accept others' without being negative.
Those of you who feel that people like me look down upon those who didn't like TPM need to realize that I'm not trying to offend anyone. It's just that I have yet to see a true fact based argument against TPM that wasn't biased or opinions. Opinions are fine and I respect others, but to constantly rant about the stupidity of those of us who liked TPM is just wrong. If you don't like it, fine, but don't hate those of us who do. Just remember that it is Star Wars and we're all gonna have to accept that. I personally think that TPM is weak as a stand-alone movie, but fits perfectly into the Star Wars saga.
I have a question, how did these posts become wars between fans and haters of TPM. We should be looking forward to Episode II (which is looking better all the time).
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ok this is more of a wish list which is effected by all the rumours
Gabriel Byrne -Tarkin ( has to be)
Carlye - Bail organa
as for boba fett, i don't think it really matters, cos he should really keep the madalor armour, if he doesn't he'll lose his cool mysteriousness.
i still fee lthat maul will return somehow in ep2 if anakin doesn't become sidious's apprentice. But i still think the idea of anakin becoming vader at the end of ep2 would be so much better.
Anakin i believe, now bear with me, should be playe by Dicaprio, he looks the part, although he is still ab it boyish and his physical appearance wouldn't be right, his facial features are similar to jake lloyds.
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hey, i was just perusing the other Star Wars articles on this site, and i came across one that reminded me of something, EPISODE 2 IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LOVE STORY, its true, yes it is, cuz Lucas himself said so from up above, oh, and this whole "prequel" business is supposed to be viewed as if from the view of the Sidious, Episode 1 sure as hell didnt seem like it, but it will be, so, the whole focus of episode 2 is supposed to be the pursuits of Anakin for the lady of his (and my) dreams, Amidala with a nice war goin on in the background,
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How about this guy for Anakin, Mark-Paul Gosselar. That's right, Zack from Saved by the Bell. I'm not kidding. He's not a bad actor and not really that well known, so you get that unknown element from the original series. I think he could portray the smoldering anger that lies beneath Anakin and him and Amidala would make a pretty good couple. And he'll go well with JarJar since he is used to working with second bananas. Hell, forget JarJar, put Screech in there and let the hilarity ensue! But seriously, how about it?
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Sorry but I have to cut in - TPM is great if not the best of the
by jedi3167a
While I understand why people are disappointed with this movie (I was orignially and still find some things that could have been done better) - I belive that is possible the best of the Star Wars movies.
How do I come to this conclusion? Well each of you people that only saw TPM once and then made this judgement that it "blew chunks" come across as the type of people that do not excerise their brain cells. This type of person tends to follow trends and latch on to trivial things.
A person who is more level headed will have gone back to the theatre realizing that their disappointment was a natural reaction to waiting for a movie for 16 years.
Having gotten past this the level headed individual would now realize that this movie is quite good.
Eventually this person would realize after repeatedly viewing the movie, that it is a great film and that the reason they think Star Wars is so good is because they have simply seen it a hundred times. When you become familiar with something you accept it. You learn to appreciate it. You see things there that you intially OVERLOOKED, misread or ignored. You start to feel what the creator felt while he was making it because he has seen it many times in his head and in production. You realize WHY he has done what he has done and you realize that what he has done is produced the BEST of the Star Wars movies so far.
It is simple ignorance that prevents people from knowing or accepting this.
Now I know that you could say that I loved Star Wars the first time I saw it - I didn't need to see it a hundred times.
True.
But think of things like this. If there had NEVER been a Star Wars movie, and TPM was suddenly unleashed on the world, what would this movie do to your mind?
You'd be literally kissing Lucas' ass for him to make a sequel.
Now I have seen this film 12 times. 10 times in Los Angeles and twice in London.
On my 11th viewing of this movie at the Odeon Leicester Square opening night it totally blew my mind. Why? Well quite frankly everything was right- the audience, the quality of the projector, the sound system and the actual movie itself, something that I had made myself familiar with. The fact that I knew what was happening but was in the presense of people that hadn't seen this film generated extra excitement. I'll tell you that night that people were taking photgraphs of the end credits. I have never seen hat before. Not since the the time of the original Star Wars movie have I had such an intense cinematic experience.
I'd like to ask the question of these people that don't like the movie: What did you expect?
See I expected what I got: a surprise.
I did not expect to see a Han Solo character, or stormtroopers running around, or Star Destroyers, or Darth Vader. I can save myself time, trouble, money and from disappointment by just sticking my special edition cassettes in the VCR.
The point of going to watch Star Wars Episode One is that you are going to watch a NEW movie, that has NEW characters in a NEW situation and in a time BEFORE Star Wars. This is why you have to have a NEW outlook and NEW expectations. This is why you have to forget the OLD trilogy and to not compare the two.
Forget about the old trilogy.
Go and watch TPM as though you have never seen a Star Wars movie and I guarantee then that the old films will pale in comparision to the visual and spectacular rollecoaster ride that is Episode I.
Jar Jar is actually quite funny and likeable.
Jake Lloyd is a great child actor and it's a shame that he is much too young to reprise his role.
The lack of wise cracks and such is a refreshing change. This movie is PURE.
Amidala/Padme is the most beautiful Star Wars character ever.
The Jedi conflict makes this movie an "instant classic", just as Spielberg said.
The(much overlooked) space battle at the end of the movie is infact one of the best example of special effects ever filmed (it is so well done that people accept that everything is there when a large percentage of it exists as 1s and 0s in a computer).
Even the Gungans, who I had trouble accepting at first, have now become an integral part of this great yarn.
This is a great movie, if not the best of the Star Wars films. Anyone who deosn't realize this will do when it goes to DVD/Video and they have a chance to watch it over and over again.
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my point is that in my opion in ep3 anakin has to hunt dwon the jedi knights, or leave some dark legacy to lead onto a new hope
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Sorry if I got the name wrong.
Anyways, I too, noticed that the first time I saw the movie, it felt kind of strange, and seemed like it was not as good as I wanted it to be, but strangely enough I knew that it was just different and each time I saw it it got better. I did see the movie 15 times so far, and each time I still find new things that I have not noticed before (pretty amazing considering I looked really hard at every part of the screen in the background since the 5th time)
I also try to tell people that it is supposed to be differnetn as well, being that it happens 30-40 yrs before ANH. Especially the things with Han Solo not being in there.
Anyways, I hope more people get the message -
I am new to this so please do not ridicule me for what I am about to ask. Just WHAT is a FANBOY?
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Ewan as Obi-Wan again, natch; he was perfecto. Natalie Portman and whoever played Plapatine/Sideous should return, too; they were both great. But for Anakin. . .I'm sorry, no one but Leo. DiCaprio is, umm, *exquisite.* He can act with some of the best of them; he'll be magnificent as a torn Anakin Skywalker being slowly seduced to the Dark Side. And yes, he's cute. There, I said it--in fact, not just cute but really beautiful as well. Think how much of a contrast it will be to look at lovely, kissable young Anakin and know he's gonna end up as scarred, twisted, ugly old Darth Vader. Eww. Oh, and more C3PO in this one, dammit!
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Speaking of fanboys, once years ago on one of my many net surfing forays I ran across a script a guy wrote. . .about a Star Trek/Star Wars crossover. I kid you not. It was all laid out and formatted like a proper script, too. He said he was gonna send it in; I wonder whatever became of it--probably burned on sight by LucasFilm and Paramount alike.
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Leonardo DiCaprio is wayyyy too feminine to be Anakin. This guy is supposed to be the chosen one, more powerful than even Yoda. Would you believe the chosen one is this femme boy? There would be no reason for Palpatine to sway him to the Dark Side; he could just hit him with some lightning bolts and he'd be toast. No sir, only one man can portray Anakin, and that man's name is... Mark-Paul Gosselar.
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A single, sorrowful horn blows throughout this post as a dark figure approach the board. He taps his finger on the mic, producing a beating sound on the stereo surrounding the message board. Finally he breaks his silence. "Yes, people, I am the last poster on this TALK BACK. I declare it unpostable! Thank you." Boos and Jeers are toss at him as he bows.
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Begsby Vs Luke
A Bond Baddie Vs Vader
Saber Vs Beer and Fags
Trainspotting Vs Episode 1
The results of all these bouts?
BOBBY!
He could kick that Mauls ass with the usage of a glass and he'd laugh doing it.
It's about time a decent actor stepped into a star wars movie e.g
Ahmed Best.
(I will say Ewan was the first decent actor to step in)
Plus he could nut Jar-Jar Binks floppy head into oblivion.
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Alright first off, I will have to tell you of an experience I had when I watched Star Wars with a Japanese person. Now we all know George Lucas was inspired by the Kurosawa films and all but this is exactly what gets so many Japanese people so excited about Star Wars. Just because George Lucas like the Japanese culture and used the term "Jedi" based on the Japanese term "Jedai-Geki" for the term of elite samurai or Japanese warrior and because the "Jedai-Geki" followed the Bushido code which is similar to the Jedi code, they (Japanese people) believe Star Wars is something that completely originated from the Japanese culture. First off, when I watched The Phantom Menace with my Japanese buddy (Mr. Namba) I simply commented that Obi-Wan is a badass. All I said was, "Damn, he's a bad-ass, going in a fight as a Padawan against a Sith and not caring about getting killed." Mr. Namba immediately said, "You think he's a bad-ass huh? You like his pony-tail?" I said, "Yeah that too, but I just like how he just goes into every situation with determination. Remember how he said to Captain Panaka 'I'll deal with that.' Damn, that just showed how he was a badass." Mr. Namba continued, "Yeah but you like his pony tail eh? You know, that's Japanese." ALRIGHT RIGHT THERE AND THEN I SHUT THE DAMN VCR OFF AND I LOOKED AT MY BUDDY IN HIS FACE AND JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS BEING A JACKASS. There I was trying to enjoy my movie and this guy tries to imprint the image of Japanese culture on Obi-Wan Kenobi, who may perhaps be the best representation for everything that Star Wars stood for. I was furious cos all I knew was that I was watching my movie, and all of a sudden, this egocentrical person steps in to talk about his culture like it was the best. ALRIGHT FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING THAT THE JAPANESE CULTURE HAS DEVELOPED HAD ITS INITIAL TIES TO CHINA. WHERE DO U THINK THEY GOT THEIR LANGUAGE LITERATURE, ART, CLOTHES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT THEIR TASTE FOR RAW FOOD. SECOND, DO NOT ALL JEDI'S USE STRAIGHT SWORDS? WAS THERE EVER ONCE, A JEDI THAT USED A CURVED LOOKING LIGHTSABER OR A KATANA. NOOOO! ALL JEDI'S SWORDS ARE STRAIGHT AND THAT DETERMINES THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. HAD A JEDI'S LIGHTSABER BEEN CURVED AS IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ALL SAMURAI SWORDS, WUT U SEE IN THE MOVIE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. THIRD, OBI-WAN KENOBI'S HAIR STYLE INCLUDING ITS PONY-TAIL IS DEFINITELY NOT JAPANESE IN NATURE. SURE THERE ARE SUCH THINGS CALLED SAMURAI PONY TAILS AND U CAN ALWAYS CATCH A GLIMPSE OF THEM ON THE SAMURAI'S FEATURED IN KUROSAWA'S FILMS AS WELL AS OLD JAPANESE SAMURAI FILMS THAT FEATURE ZATOICHI: THE BLIND MASSEUSE THAT SAVES THE DAY. BUT U GOTTA BE MORE CAREFUL TO SEE THAT IT IS STILL NOT THE SAME AS OBI-WAN'S. SAMURAI PONY TAILS ARE ALWAYS STICKING STRAIGHT OUT OF A SAMURAI'S HEAD BECAUSE IT IS BUNDLED TOO TIGHTLY AND IT COMES OUT AS A TUFT OF HAIR DIVERGING IN NUMEROUS DIRECTIONS. PLAY "TENCHU" THE PLAYSTATION GAME USING THE GIRL AND YOU WILL KNOW WUT I MEAN. OR IT'S ALWAYS TOO SHORT AND TOO HIGH UP IN THE CRANIAL AREA SO IT MAKES A SAMURAI LOOK LIKE A GORILLA THAT HAS A SAGGITARRIAL CREST RATHER THAN A BADASS. OR IF YOU LOOK AT "GOLDENBOY" A JAPANESE ANIME, YOU WILL SEE THAT GOLDENBOY HAS A PONYTAIL THAT IS FAIRLY LONG BUT RIGHT SMACK DOWN AT THE PLACE WHERE THE NECK IS SO THAT FROM BEHIND, GOLDEN BOY LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A CUTE LITTLE SQUIRREL ON HIS HEAD. SOMETIMES A SAMURAI SHAVES HIS HEAD AND THEN LEAVES A PONY-TAIL BUT THEN IT GIVES A DUMBASS EFFECT LIKE "PRINCE XIZOR" FROM THE CHRONICLES OF STAR WARS: SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE. FINALLY, THERE IS THE MATTER OF ATTIRE. JEDI'S WEAR A FLOWING ROBE WITH LONG WIDE SLEEVES. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS MOVIES THAT INVOLVE STRAIGHT SWORDS, A GOOD ONE WOULD BE "THE DUEL", YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT OBI-WAN LOOKS ENTIRELY LIKE A CHARACTER OR WARRIOR THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ANCIENT SOCIETY THAT ONCE DOMINATED CHINA. So let me recap, 1) Japanese people copy Chinese people 2) Lightsabers are straight like the antique straight swords that can be found in China and are not curved 3) The Japanese pony tail that Mr. Namba refered to probably looked like crap (cos it was basically bad imitation off of the Chinese) and comparable to Prince Xizor's pony tail while 4) During the times of ancient China, Chinese warriors dressed in the same exact fashion as Obi-Wan Kenobi did and 5) fashioned their hair style including their pony-tail in the exact , shape, length, and location as Obi-Wan Kenobi did. ALL THAT REMAINS FOLKS IS THAT JEDIS STILL HAVE TO BE CALLED JEDIS SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BASICALLY CHINESE IN NATURE AND OBI-WAN KENOBI WHILE I DO ADMIT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE JAPANESE HAS TO REMAIN THAT WAY FOR CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH HE IS CHINESE. OOPS I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT FORCE OR IN CHINESE TERMS "CHI-KUNG" AND BELIEVE ME THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WITH QUI-GON JINN TAKING ON ONLY ONE APPRENTICE, THAT'S FROM AN ANCIENT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THEM FULLY SINCE YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO CONCENTRATE YOUR FULLEST EFFORTS ON ONE PADAWAN AND THEN ANOTHER WHICH IS NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL AND MAY CAUSE JEALOUSY AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN OBI-WAN'S EYES AS WELL AS ANAKIN'S. HOWEVER, SITH IS DIFFERENT. BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE VIOLENT IN NATURE AND HAVE ALREADY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO THE DARK SIDE, THE JEALOUS APPRENTICES WOULD SIMPLY DUEL TO THE DEATH AND THAT IS WHY THE RULE CAME ABOUT, "NO MORE, NO LESS, A MASTER AND AN APPRENTICE." FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE GEORGE LUCAS IN HIS EARLIER YEARS, CLEARLY, I REPEAR, CLEARLY WAS JAPANESE WASHED. HAVE U EVER HEARD OF POKEMON? A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE WHO HASN'T HEARD OF POKEMON. OK. THERE U GO, THE JAPANESE HAVE A WAY WITH JAPANESE-WASHING PEOPLE'S MINDS. ALSO, WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED A CHINESE PERSON TO CREATE THE PRE-PRODUCTION PAINTINGS USED TO DIRECT THE LOOK OF THE MOVIE BEFORE IT WAS EVER SHOT? DOUG CHIANG NOT ONLY PAINTED 1000 PAINTINGS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE ( A WHOPPING 33% OUT OF THE PAINTINGS TOTAL CREATED BY THE ART DEPARTMENT) BUT HE EVEN HEADED THE ART DEPARTMENT ENTIRELY AND EXACTLY FOR THE MATTER OF NEWLY RECONSTRUCTING THE LOOK OF STAR WARS. WITH ALL THOSE JAPANESE ANIMATORS OUT THERE WHY DOESN'T HE JUST HIRE SOME OF THEM? DOESN'T HE WANT A JAPANESE LOOK FOR HIS STAR WARS FILMS? CLEARLY, GEORGE LUCAS IS NOT STUPID AND CLEARLY HE IS NOT JAPANESE WASHED ANYMORE WHICH IS WHY HE HIRED A CHINESE ART DIRECTOR. THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS UNDERSTANDS THAT JEDI'S ARE BASICALLY CHINESE ENTAILING THAT IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO GIVE THE JOB TO SOMEONE LIKE DOUGH CHIANG TO DRAW UPON HIS CHINESE CULTURE. FURTHER MORE SINCE HE ALLOWED DOUG CHIANG TO DO MOST OF THE WORK, THE PHANTOM MENACE LOOKED EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD AND PAINTBRUSH STROKE FOR PAINTBRUSH STROKE LIKE HIS PAINTINGS, RESULTING IN A GENUINELY CHINESE FEEL AND EXPERIENCE WHEN U WATCH TPM. OR MAYBE GEORGE LUCAS IS STILL JAPANESE WASHED BUT HE IS WILLING TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES BECAUSE STAR WARS IS HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HE CAN'T BE LIVING A LIE LIKE "STAR WARS IS INSPIRED BY THE JAPANESE CULTURE" FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE WHICH IS THE EXACT REASON WHY HE HIRED DOUG CHIANG. AGAIN I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS JAPANESE IN STAR WARS AFTER "RETURN OF THE JEDI" OR I SHOULD RATHER SAY EVERYTHING STARTING FROM "STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE" IS SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUITY. THE WORDS JEDI, OBI-WAN KENOBI, AND YODA. I MEAN SERIOUSLY FOLKS, OBI-WAN KENOBI WOULD STILL BE AS CHINESE AND BADASS AS THE MEANEST JEDI THAT EVER LIVED EVEN IF HIS NAME WAS JAR JAR, YOU GET THE IDEA. AND YOU CAN CALL THE JEDI, WITH A FRATERNITY NAME LIKE, "ATO OR ATL OR KAPPA-ALPHA," AND THEY'D STILL BE AS CHINESE, MYSTERIOUS, CODIFIED, AND ELITE AS THEY ALWAYS WERE. ALL IM SAYING IS OBI-WAN KENOBI IS CHINESE BECAUSE FOR THE MOST OBVIOUS REASONS: HE LOOKS CHINESE AND HE USES A STRAIGHT LIGHTSABER NOT A CURVED ONE, ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS CHINESE UNTIL HE TURNED INTO DARTH VADER THAT LOOKS LIKE A JAPANESE SAMURAI WITH THAT BIG WIDE HELMET, YODA AND EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS CHINESE, EVERY SINGLE JEDI IS CHINESE COS THEY USE THE FORCE, YES EVEN THE SITH ARE CHINESE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED IN THE JEDI ARTS AND THEY FOLLOW A GREAT DEAL OF CHINESE PHILOSOPHY. I'D SAY THE ONLY JAPANESE CHARACTERS YOU WILL FIND WITHIN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE ARE THE NEMOIDIANS AND THEIR OBSESSIONS WITH EXPORTING THEIR GOODS=ANALAGOUS TO THE JAPANESE BULK SELLING THEIR SPORTS CARS TO THE US. THE MANDALORIANS ARE JAPANESE WITH THEIR SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY=ANALAGOUS TO ADVANCED JAPANESE ELECTRONICS LIKE SONY AND PLAYSTATION 2. ALSO DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH. OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH.
Ray: The stormtroopers were NOT supossed to be Jedi's you numbnuts. Not everyone with a lightsaber is a Jedi.
Sender: False, George Lucas believes that anyone in his Star Wars films who fights with a lightsaber is because they have extraordinary skill, power, and elegance as opposed to those that use blasters. Stormtroopers used blasters but they were initially drawn with lightsabers and that is very subjective. They could have been a Jedi's match (being able to fight with one entails particular training), per se, but because they finally became analagous with blasters shows that they have less skill, power, and elegance as opposed to Jedi's. All I was saying was those having extraordinary skill, power, and elegance were characters free of a predetermined look. And even if Jedi's were meant to be geared towards a Japanese look (entailing that it was predetermined), than obviously those that believe so (including George Lucas) are falsifying what is called the "truth." The "truth" is that Jedi's look Chinese in origin. I call it as I see them.
Ray: Then you say "Darth vader is definitely samurai like with his helmet so i am not racist."
Sender: That is the truth. In fact, Darth Vader was supposed to have a completely samurai looking helmet with a cloth as a face mask but because Ralph said that Star Wars is futuristic, Lucas thought the technological face mask was a brilliant idea.
Ray: Then you say : "Furthermore, the new obi design far surpasses the old one making him look a lot more sleeker, faster, and daring in design" Geee, would that be because he is YOUNGER now?...Young people and Old people dress differently you know, but still his Costume is practically unchanged.
Sender: You are only catering to what I have been saying all along. Hell, Qui-Gon Jinn was perhaps as near as Obi-Wan Kenobi's age when he was in A New Hope. However, he wore the same costume design Obi did in The Phantom Menace and he looks just as sleek, fast, and daring as Obi. However, Qui-Gon may have looked fast but he wasn't. On the other hand, Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope for all we know died because he let it be. With his age, he had become a great master and he was probably hiding more that we can ever imagine (hell when he died, he was still appearing here and there!) but he certainly looked weak in A New Hope and that's not just because he had wrinkles on his face. His costume inside and out looked very sluggish in A New Hope than when compared to the better Chinese version in The Phantom Menace.
Ray: "Wut is even more intriguing is that Ralph and Doug have been known to work closely together during the design phase and so the original Obi look had been slowly transformed to a chinese look. " Ralph McQuarrie retired from the bussiness, the only access Dough had to McQuarrie was through his paintings.
Sender: No, I am pretty sure that they have become good friends and they analyze each others paintings regardless of whether or not Ralph retired (this isn't construction work). Furthermore, Doug tries to live up to Ralph's paintings through their simple presence, objectiveness, vivid colors, and realism that they convey for Star Wars which isn't too sci-fi but rather with an Earthly feel. Doug may have drawn from his Chinese culture (or Chinese culture research from a simple library) to give Star Wars a historical feel to the Jedi from Chinese origins. What Doug Chiang does not do is copy Ralph McQuarrie for his designs and for obvious reasons, this is the prequel trilogy we are talking about and from what I have seen, there has been very little continuity in terms of design in The Phantom Menace in regards to the original trilogy and I hope it remains that way.
Ray: This is not about pride, it's about customs. Doug confessed he knows very little from the Chinese culture, because he is an U.S. citizen and never been to china or anything.
Sender: You don't have to go there in order to be educated about such a culture or any other culture for that matter.
Ray: I think it is pretty obvious you have issues against the Japanese culture, and that my friend, is what we call R-A-C-I-S-M.
Sender: I am not, I simply call it as I see them.
Ray: But you still say you're not racist...how about comments like these, from your previews email "DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH.
Sender: There is a Japanese word for such meditation when you kneel down like that. Something like Hama-kiri.
Ray: Further, you said, "OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH. "
Sender: That is definitely true. The Japanese were strict as hell in the Shogunate days 1590-1750. They didn't wash their hair and they grew bushy beards as a sign of masculinity.
I do admit that I rant but it is only for Star Wars that I do this since Star Wars is perhaps the only thing that uses a lot of historical background in its making and I can't help but feeling held back when people just falsify the truth for everyone else. I vent the truth sooner or later.
Ray: Star Wars shouldn't be tainted with the subject of race.
Sender: Star Wars would not be the same were it not for the history and the different cultures that numerous races have created over time. If you create something totally bizarre for Star Wars, it wouldn't look Star Wars. It would look too far-fetched like Babylon 5 or Star Trek.
Ray: I am glad you are proud of being of Chinese heritage, just don't take out your shortcomings as a person with other races.
Sender: You can call me a racist China-man all you want but I respect all races, cultures, and the whole human race. But it should be intrinsic for anyone to sense whether someone is just being egocentric or just telling it like it really is.
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