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WATCHMEN reviews are popping up all over the net - but I'm gagged. :(
SPOILER ALERT !!
Hey folks, Harry here... we American reviewers seem to be under an embargo. Now, some are being cute and publishing "Non-Review" of the film like Devin's Non-Review at CHUD but then you have a site like EMPIRE publishing their review. Then you have IMDB running their User Comments. There's also the guys at CineFools! And again here at DEN OF GEEK! Then there is this one from Total Film! Now we have THE TIMES from the UK chiming in. Then there's a negative review at News of the World that is pretty much the exact opposite of my thoughts, with the exception of the opening.
I've written my mostly love letter to WATCHMEN, but I am obeying the gag order. So far. It does seem fairly ridiculous that they're enforcing a review ban on such a high octane geek flick, as all it does is create fears. The audiences last night were mostly wildly enthusiastic with extremely loud applause in both theaters at the end and strong positive reactions throughout. Not everyone was pleased, but I'll get more into that with my piece as you'll see - hopefully soon enough.
Overall though, I feel most of fandom is going to come away extremely pleased, with the Watchmen fundamentalists probably being a bit chafed - and still others raging because... well that's their default setting on most comic adaptations.
Personally, I can't wait to see it again next Monday, and then again... many times in theaters Imax and otherwise. Here's a review from the London World Premiere:
Hi,
I was lucky enough to be afforded a ticket to the world premiere of Watchmen in London last night, thought I'd send in a quick review as I can't seem to find one anywhere else!
Right, bear in mind this is going to be quick as it's midnight now and it's been a damn long day.
First off, the film is stunning - to look at and to listen to. Zack Snyder has outdone himself with look - absolutely beautiful. The soundtrack is phenominal - this is demonstarted with a beautiful opening montage set to Dylan's times are a changing, and carried right through to 'Hallelujiah' blaring out when Silk Spectre and Night Owl get it together in Archie. Some of the songs run the risk of feeling a little out of place sometimes...like a random sequence involving '99 red baloons' that booms when silk spectre meets night owl for dinner...but for the most part they are effective in setting the tone and the period of the film, and besdies, most of them are just fucking good songs that sound even better when married up with beautiful visuals...even if as I say, they can seem a little random
I read the graphic novel last year for the first time, and I deliberately stopped short of the ending so as to allow myself the oppertunity to enjoy the film without comparing every damn frame to the book. So, with this in mind I can't comment on the whole 'squid' debacle, and whether the film is better to have left it out. I did keep my eyes peeled for any reference to a 's.q.u.i.d'- type inference to the 'doomsday device' that I've read could be mentioned, but if there was one I certainly didn't see it. To be honest though, every frame is crammed with so much visualy arresting information that it's damn near impossible to notice all on a first viewing.
Without droning on about performances, they're all good - with Rorshach being one hell of an exception...he's incredible. Seriously, that guy absolutely nails it, from the moment his masked is ripped off, to when he flushes the dwarf down the toilet...I hate to say it but the guy gives Ledger a run for his money in terms of pulling of the 'psycho with a point' thing.
The film is utterly uncompromising in terms of the ridiculously adult content it deals with - Rape, brutal murder, child abuse...you know when your watching a film where you see dogs chewing on the carcass of a brutally murdered six-year old girl that your watching a film that hasn't hidden from the darkest aspects of it's subject matter...you can see Snyder knows this is his one shot to get it absolutely right, a sequel is not going to happen - there will be no room to expand upon themes, or up the ante on action ever again...so he just goes for it. You can almost hear him saying 'fuck it, why not? it's in the book, so it's in here'...and that is something to be applauded.
Why on earth there was such a legal battle over this thing I have no idea...I could be completely wrong (and indeed I probably am) but if I were a fox executive I'd be clapping my hands with glee that I didn't pool a load of money in to it...it seems utterly unmarketable. An 18-rated superhero film littered with some of the most grizzly aspects of the human psyche, a three hour running time...nothing for girls (I'm not talking about cool, intelligent film buff/pop culture/geeky girls...I mean the girls that booked to see 'Confessions of a Shopaholic'...girls en mass - there were two couples in front of me who left fairly early on...you could see them fidgeting restlessly, constantly bending their boyfriend's ear before eventually the guys just had to give up and head to the nearest sing-a-long showing of Mamma Mia!), and a swinging blue cock make the whole thing utterly bewildering to people who are not prepared for what they're getting in for.
Anyway, as a film it's great, not perfect, but I'm sure all the fanboys will be in heaven. Dr Manhatten's origin sequence/monologue/escape to mars is wonderfully executed, and left me with actually quite moved...especially when the music stops, and all you here is Crudup's voice...alone against a wall of silence, before building his 'fortress of solitude' on the red planet.
I could go on, but I'm knackered. Apologies for the horrendous spelling, I'm typing this out as quick as I can and can't be bothered to spell check.
One major gripe...it's just so damn long...but, to tell this story right, that's precisely what's needed, so I guess it's a Catch 22 situation.
Hope this provides some interesting reading!
If you use this, call me Carousel.
Personally, it wasn't long enough. I can't wait to share my review with all of you!
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I guess. But who cares? Fuck First Posters.
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FARST! FARSTS!!!!
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to see that Mars scene come to life. I can't wait for that.
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Feb 24, 2009 7:58:33 AM CST
Pffff, yeah, but I remember the glowing reviews for 300
by derlanghaarige
And I remember even better how much I hate this one. There are not many movies in the world that make me question the intelligence and sanity of its fans, because I like some not very good movies too, but HOLY CRAP, I think only a complete moron who drools at the look of the movie can love it, so excuse me if nothing in the world will make me watch Watchmen.
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but you know it's horrible? Wow, that's some fantastic sk1llz you got there
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I'm just here to report that this morning the Professional Clerics of Bale cracked 10,000 posts on Node39976. And seeing how the mods locked the thread on Friday, subtracted 700 posts, and then restarted it, I'm confident we have well over 12,000 posts (thus beating the Lostback) and we are now the longest, most powerful thread of all time. Let all amateurs know that we own the record on behalf of Christian Bale.
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I can't wait to see his reaction. I'm predicting a "baffling" on the horizon. Punishment, right proper, for not reading the book already!
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Let´s be serious...
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Feb 24, 2009 8:05:28 AM CST
Need a cease and desist on using "Hallelujiah"...
by spifftacular squirrel girl
...in anymore tv shows or movies, please.
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I hope they don't wimp out and edit this thing down from the version the British reviewer saw. It sometimes TAKES three hours to properly tell a tale. especially an epic one.
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It's from the guy who made 300, filmed in the same style like 300, with the same "Oh my god, this is so great because it totally looks like the comic"-reviews like 300. It can be the greatest movie ever and if it is I will of course admit that I'm wrong, but for now excuse me for having some pretty bad flashbacks about the disaster that was 300.
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"Remember us." As simple an order as a professional can give.
"Remember why we typed." For we did not wish tribute, nor song (though the Bale Remix rocks), nor monuments nor poems of war and valour. Our wish was simple. "Remember us," they said to all the other talkbacks. That was our hope, should any free professional come across that place, in all the countless talkback threads yet to be.
May all our posts whisper to you from the screens, "Go tell the Professionals, passerby, that here by Bale's law, we typed. Ah-da-da-dah, like this with our keyboards, in the hope of wiping that Lost record from the face of the earth"
In other news - AICN the bastion of scoops, spies, and guerilla tactics dutifully obeys an embargo, which has already been made a mockery of by Empire Magazine and other members of the establishment. -
"The dead silence following the watchmen screenings in reminiscent of the silence after the spirit screenings. hope i'm wrong."
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It is NOT in the same style. VERY LITTLE CG sets, no CG crowd shots. And not told in that stylized manner. But feel free to claim otherwise without having seen the film. Be that guy.
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who understand the artistic value of the GN,and they are not just geeks with their wet dream to watch their favorite heroes on live.
the movie will be good,even with its flaws,but how watchmen is it?
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Because that is always a source of HUMOR in unlikely sexual situations in film. And still, if it's the Leonard Cohen thing, then it's just cliche.
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When a film is ambitious is is ALWAYS to be applauded. (Even if the result is a bit turdy.) And this sounds very ambitious and not turdy at all. If this is as rich as it sounds - wow. (One thing, I personally thought 300 was, in terms of content rather than visuals, completely rubbish. But, you know, this sounds different.)
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The difference is that The Spirit was incomprehensible, unforgivable shit.
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and they were right. Go figure.
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If the people didn't like it, but it was a good movie...then fuck 'em. It's not for them.
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You should've said "I'm gagged by a giant blue cock" I mean come on, I've come to expect that from you in a good way.
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read about him on Encyclopedia Dramatica
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Just wanted to throw that in there.And NOTHING is "like" the silence after screenings of "The Spirit". Because no movie's ever been that bad before.Fuck you, Bendis.
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Is there any consensus about this film? (Not that there needs to be.) It's just, I though it was fantastic (& a great double-bill with Children of Men by the way) but I keep read people saying it was 'muddled' (Empire) and 'shit' (various talkbackers).
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at all the positive reviews.
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...clips of the movie, that are full of cgi-ed scenes, useless slow motion and over stylized colors. I'm probably wrong about the visual style of and in fact it wouldn't be the first time that a studio releases only clips that don't do the complete product justice. So again, if I'm wrong, I apologize. I'm not such a dick who never takes his words back, but damn, when I watched 300 I felt like when Luke Wilson watched 'Ass' and I'm way too scared that I will watch Watchmen one day and get fooled again by the glowing fanboy love.
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SS2 getting fucked by 3 big blue dicks.now thats a froydian experience.
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Another uncompromising adaptation. There was no other film more satisfying under the Bush Regime than V.
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amen brother to that.Bendis is a terrible comic writer.
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'LOTR was a good trilogy,but Tolkien LOTR wasnt.' - Eh? Care to explain that?
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I don't get you people. I really don't. Whats wrong with just being fun and cool? If I want Citizen Kane I'll watch Citizen Kane. If I want bullets and blood I'll pop in Shoot Em Up. Whats wrong with loving both?
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Feb 24, 2009 8:25:00 AM CST
This movie will only be liked by those who have read the book
by speed fricassee
.. and while many have read it, it's still a small percentage of the population to be making such an expensive movie for. Ultimately, it will be deemed a failure. Unfortunate, too. Hrm.
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doesn't mean you have to like them all. What sense does that make? Some do dumb better than others...some appeal to your senses better.
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Also Harry so basically Watchmen is ambitious, attempts to do the book justice, but there are a few major missteps in tone that make it fall just short of being a great movie, am i right?
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"I was in junior high dickhead."
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...despite the "Fed Ex V masks to a bunch of people" ending. Wish I was British so I could've gotten more bang-for-my-10 bucks when Natalie Portman blew up the Houses of Parliament. Could see Moore's point about the Wachowskis totally missing his point, but also realized that that was the closet you'd ever get with a big budget H/wood adaptation.
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i meant that the movies werent very faithful to Tolkiens original masterpiece.They were following Jacksons vision.so in the cinema, we got Jacksons LOTR trilogy,and not Tolkiens LOTR trilogy.
one of the main reasons why is that,is this:
http://tinyurl.com/nmku
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Really enjoyed it. The main disappointment is that they chickened out of having a brutal, shocking ending. Shots of corpses piled in the streets would really have helped give the finale some more impact, especially after some hardcore violence and gore were used through the rest of the movie to give the audience a slap-in-the-face reminder that this is more serious than other comic movies. It would really have helped to push the ending further away from being a standard comicbook villain plot and make people really think about the consequences and morals of the grand plan.
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He's gagged all right. A ball gag...
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Its a decent script from great source material. A fine cast. And a really, really shitty director. You've essentially got a guy whose not even cut out for TV commercials helming a very good production, and he makes it by the skin of his teeth. Look at the fucking awful Bill and Tedesque cutaway's to the same group of people in a fake looking bar watching TV, or their counterparts, some ugly british family on a fake looking couch, watching the tele. If the Wachkowskis themselves, or someone with a little...vision?...had put it together, it would probably have been a home run.
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He's a partisan hack. What a douche.
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...then why not go ahead and bite it? Otherwise, you run the risk of 'missing the boat' and looking like your review, when it finally appears, is merely a rehash of what's gone before.Look what you've become, H. The Harry Knowles that started this site would've punched your fucking lights out for kowtowing to 'the man' like this...
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They don't show the carnage of the grand scheme?!?! God dammit! I get an eensy bit more disappointed with every little thing I hear. The wreckage is ESSENTIAL.
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Wow. As a fan of the GN, I will say it was pretty much everything I could have wanted. The actors were pitch perfect, the visuals were amazing, the story rolls along at an amazing pace. For a nearly 3 hour movie, I never felt like it was too long, in fact once we get to the point where you know it's all coming to an end, I was sad that it wouldn't be going on a bit longer.
This from someone who waited in a line o' geeks for 6 hours. I wanted more when it was over, and I'll be seeing it again when it hits IMAX.
Rorshach is indeed perfectly cast. His scene being introduced to the general population in prison is absolutely amazing and truly frightening.
There are a couple songs that I thought were not perfect in their placement - the use of All Along the Watch Tower just didn't work for me - but I suppose that might just be me. It will be interesting to see what y'all think of some of the song placement when you get to see this chunk of awesome next week. Of course, this is a pretty minor gripe when you look at the whole.
As far as the squid goes, I can see why some people are upset that it has been changed - I mean if everything else is so close to the GN, why change that aspect? But the choice works, and I believe it was a concession that will allow newBs to grasp the story concept easier. I know... fuck 'em, right? But the fact that the basic ending remains intact is a testament to the resolve of Zach Snyder and the producers. The flick kicks ass from the opening frame, and I think that most everyone that is a fan of the GN will find a LOT to like with this adaptation.
After reading about how many different possibilities of crap this property has been near over the years, we can all breathe a sigh of relief that it was made with so much care and respect that it deserved.
However, I think WB might be in a little trouble. Yes it's going to make a killing durring the first couple weeks, but I don't know if it's going to have the crossover power that TDK did. This is a brutal flick that isn't for kids, and is pretty damn terrifying at times. While that is exactly what the fans want, I don't know if it's going to be the mainstream jugernaut that TDK was. Female geeks will love it... girly girls will not.
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Great piece of Dystopian fantasy. Looking forward to this too. Not even read the comic so have no baggage for this.
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That Brit was fucking annoying. In fact, I'll avoid all reviews completely, because it's a given that every geek is gonna love this movie, except maybe for me. In fact, I'll just skip the movie altogether.
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These are the times I realize I'm not really a geek/fucking nerd because being either of those things requires you to have a disturbed sense of taste and import. Watchmen is the greatest comic of all time and should therefore just remain a comic book.
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...the comic is very visually dense. There's a ton of small details to discover in the background of every panel. It seems like the film has taken this route too. I keep hearing that there's a ton of information packed into every scene.
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My wife is a girly girl... Hello Kitty, Giraffes, polka dot hair dryer, but an incredibly varied interest in music - and she loved this film even more than me... has never read the source material... or possibly any other printed comic book that I know of.
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Feb 24, 2009 8:41:10 AM CST
I'm currently reading the GN - it's not as good as everyone clai
by kid idioteque
It's better. I'm fucking astounded. And I have a hard time believing that this would work on film, but my fingers are crossed.
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No dice - the TB's locked. The post count is going up, but I'm stuck on the post after your PROFES1000NAL post - and it doesn't show any more. I know I personally posted a couple after that, so it's definitely not showing any more posts after the 10,008th from my view.
Amateur.
As for WATCHMEN - if ever there was a movie NOT to half-ass, this was it. The ending doesn't make sense. Sure I'll see it and give it the benefit of the doubt - but I'm certain the Comedian won't be given a good reason to freak out about the shitty Manhattan frame job ending the way he would've about the Squid ending. But then, this is just pretty-pretty stuff for the eyes, not a serious go at transferring the themes of the GN. Zack does a great job with visuals - but he does NOT understand fuck-all about the overall themes of the movie. So you end up with a shit ending instead of the original. -
...And a tool.
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yes, but you wife is also a geek, which trumps girly girl.
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It's not a marketable film, so won't do major box-office. And that teaches suits and studios just one thing : "We need to fuck with the source material, cut corners, put a big name as the star, and make a lot of money"
And that's a shame. Ang Lee's Hulk may have been a 200 million dollar art house movie, but it also sucked. Watchmen could be a 200 million dollar masterpiece, made for an audience of thousands, not millions. -
...if you hate 'snyder' slow-motion. The CHUD review says there's very little of this, and that we've already seen in preview clips almost every scene that has slow-mo in it. So fear not.
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Actually the Harry Knowles that started this site has the same rules as I do. If the studios actually willingly show me their movie, I'll play by their rules unless otherwise discussed... if I see the movie through my own nefarious means, all bets are off. That's been the standard from the beginning. Only in the beginning, they almost never cooperated, but that's why my reviews were usually the week of, via some promotional screening.
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She's not quite a geek yet. She's getting there. She aspires to the geek label, but she actually crushes on geeks more than she is one. She has the things she geeks on, but they're not at all the standard things. For her, the greatest comic creator of all time is Mitch Clem. She has much to learn, especially if she's to have a hand raising our children. Giggle.
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Feb 24, 2009 8:47:49 AM CST
they licensed Philip Glass music for the Manhattan sequences
by mikey mike
that maybe the only enjoyable musical portion of the movie, everything else is non melodic noise
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he's just not that into you. poor man's Love, Actually.
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It was bloody brilliant. I know most people hated it, but it's just as rich in ideas as his other movies. The 'military creating something that comes back to haunt them' theme was so very timely in 2003. Just saying...
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Religious, graphic novel, or otherwise. Fundamentalists always manage to shit on things that are perfectly enjoyable.
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Harry Potter is going to keep them rich - and risk-taking - for a good few years still. They also seem to be the most - the only? - studio that makes blockbusters for grown-ups.
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amen to that.Ang Lees Hulk,despite its flaws,was a great movie.not your typical comic movie,thats why the average american geek didnt get it.
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Ah, a childish Aldous Huxley ripoff written by a 13 year old, Jerry's kid, mongoloid goth Brit bitch who couldn't break a pencil with two hands in special ed. Yeah, other than the fact that it SUCKED, it's fine...
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Seriously. Yeah, I don't think any superhero-based movie will ever approach TDK crossover-wise. People poured into the theater to see TDK due to Heath Ledger's performance, not because they give a fuck about Batman and the Joker. It was akin to rubbernecking at an awful car wreck. Bread and circuses. If it had been Robin Williams playing the Joker then the numbers surely wouldn't have been as spectacular.
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She won't be raising "your" children. But the UPS guy won the freaking lottery...
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I'm really tired of people whining about slow motion. 300 was awesome, a damn fine movie. V for Vendetta was awesome too. I'm just really happy to hear about the 6 year old girls dog eaten corpse.
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A brave filmaker who attempts a wildly ambitious, unfilmable (Alan Moore, you sad strange little man) film. Makes it 2 3/4 hours long, this, a comicbook movie, and then some daft merde-heads have a go at it. Shouldn't we rejoice that this has been made, whether it'll be our favourite film ever or not? Aren't we tired of Journey to the centre of the Mummy's Caribbean 6? Bless you Zack for trying. I for one will be first in line.
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..SPOILER ALERT. Its used when OWL and SHACH are flying to Veidts winter wonderland. That chapter is titled "two riders were approaching." A lyric from the song. Its rather smart of Snyder to put the song right there. Referencing the chapter title and FOR ONCE taking that amazing song and finally putting it in a non-Vietnam war film. I think we need to see some of these songs through new eyes. They are very carefully placed and as far a HALLELUJAH during the sex scene..yes its meants to be kind of funny. I mean their suits just fixed his wang. I remember laughing about it in the comic. Lighten up a little.
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Just shut up.
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Every time I open an article written by you and it begins with "Hey folks..." I always look around my computer to see who else is reading it with me.
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No squid is a cop out. How cool would a colossal squid have been? Clueless audiences would have been like "What the fuck is going on?" and readers of the book would have been like, "Yes!" but in the end it would have been the right thing to do. They took a short term solution. I can only hope there is a director's cut that has the alternate original squid ending that will emerge at some point.
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I still have reservations (chiefly about the change in the story's CLIMAX [yes, it IS the story's climax despite claims otherwise]). But I'm not unmovable here. And--even though I dearly love the source material--I'm not purist. If the film adaptation works, it works. Clearly it won't be perfect (or even close), but as of now I'm expecting to at least like and admire most of it. Sounds like we've seen the vast majority of the slo-mo effects already. Ironically, they seem to have been chiefly used for marketing purposes (for the masses that loved 300 I'd suspect). That's a relief.I wonder if someone in the know can set me at ease about what we've seen of the actresses in this film--particularly the apparently wooden Akerman (aka SS2). She's just *bad* in every clip I've seen.OTOH, sounds like Haley's knocked Rorschach out of the park. And that's excellent news.
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Couldn't even get through "300." It was sooo fukn boring. Zack Snyder should have a moratorium on his use slow motion in films. Love Watchmen comic and am so afraid it's gonna be a slo-mo shit fest.
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What I mean is, it literally embarrassed me. I'm a huge fan of the comic and so I took a few friends to see it. The lights came on after the movie and no one said anything. We made it all the way home from the theatre in total silence. My friends never took anything I had to say seriously ever again on the subject of cinema. So fuck you, V for Vendetta, with your bullshit bullet time sequences and cringe inducing, embarrassingly sophomoric left vs right political commentary. Fuck I hate that movie.
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Another vote for Ang Lee's Hulk here. A far more intelligent and well made film than last summers over-extended PS3 cutscene ( I enjoyed it, but it was made for 12year old boys with checkpoint attention spans)
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Because that's the only climax she's every been given.
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Feb 24, 2009 9:14:48 AM CST
Ang Lee's HULK was 80% masterpiece, 20% meltdown
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Unfortunately it's the 20% that everyone remembers. Which is why we got the morons version last year.
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I'm really worried about how the love for this movie is about how faithful it is to the book and how it looks. I have a strong suspicion that the mainstream reviewers aren't going to like this one.
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He said he got permission from Warner Brothers to post that piece, so he's not breaking the embargo.
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I had the same experience with The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. That piece of shit seriously fucked up my reputation.
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Because The Times over here (UK) ran a review in this mornings paper. Gave it four stars, sounds pretty promising.
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Thanks mate, totally agree with that.
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What exactly was NOT in the film? Its the same damn story just with more people in V masks at the end. Which makes sense as V's cause is our cause not just Evy's. Evy is fleshed out, she was really stupid in the comic. Last I checked Moore pretty much WROTE a typical left vs right comic book. The film even removed some useless subplots about the pieces of the gov't. What more did you want? They kept him in the mask. They kept him a terrorist. They kept the twists. WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT? Que tu quere de la vida?
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Feb 24, 2009 9:23:17 AM CST
I was AT the screening of THE SPIRIT that Bendis is referring to
by fatboy_roberts
And trust me, that shit was ANYTHING but silent. I don't know what part of the theater he was sitting in, but it was a crackerbox screening room and I could hear critics whispering "Man, what in THE FUCK WAS THAT." from across the room. If all he heard was silence, that means he wasn't paying any attention. As soon as the credits started rolling there was derisive laughter, more than a few confused expletives, a couple groans, and instant discussion about soccer and hockey. No silence.
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http://tinyurl.com/aga67j
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I thought Ackerman was fine in it. She looks great and does a good job as Laurie. It's a comic movie and the dialogue isn't the most natural stuff in the world, so nobody in it is entirely life-like. I didn't buy the old Sally Jupiter though. Make-up wasn't great and she was too animated for a near-70s-year-old - reminded me of the old Lorraine in Biff's evil 1985 in Back To The Future 2. You remember with these... these... THINGS!
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Wowzers! Did you really hate it THAT much? I mean, wasn't there just that one slo-mo bit at the end? Didn't you think the bit of diary she found in 'prison' was done well. I know Portman's accent wasn't brilliant, but who cares, she was totally gorgeous in this film. Didn't you like V's lair with all the banned art? Maybe I am biased towards it as I am a Britisher... I loved it.
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"Will they see this slightly Germanic, which is one way we went with it to have a duality, will he be seen as we do when somebody who's German turns up in any film, is he going to be the baddie? I think that's what Alan Moore was sort of going at anyway, which is why we ended up giving him a sort of softish German, even though he's not meant to be. He's meant to be born in New York. We liked the idea because it played into the [idea that] he gave all his money away possibly because his parents could have been Nazis. It was just sort of fleshing that out and it made sense to me. It plays with the idea I suppose that isn't it funny that in a war situation, all Germans are considered guilty for what happened to the Jews, even though they're following a government. America seems to be very blameless about what happened to the Japanese when 1.5 million innocent people were wiped out from the bomb being dropped." "Well, that's another question, isn't it? It's suggested by Rorschach. "Possibly homosexual. Must investigate further." But then you can say that abuse leads to abuse so some people could say if they're psychologists that there's a possibility that Rorschach might be a homosexual. You never know, and that maybe he fancies Veidt."
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The thing is, the comic was about anarchy. That being government vs no government. The movie was a fucking commentary on the Bush administration which would be all well and good, except that by the time it came out we'd had the first two Starwars prequels that covered pretty much the same ground. The whole thing felt like it was beating a dead horse.
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leads to homosexuality. his insights into the human condition are incredible.
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dude, I'm not telling you to shut up. By all means discuss to your endless delight. I wasn't flaming anyone, only pointing out that to claim this film is the same, stylistically as 300 is wrong. 300 was a green screen film, drained of color and super saturated with other colors. This film wasn't shot that way at all, with the exception of Arctic exteriors and Mars. The vast majority of this film is location shooting. The film is very colorful, down to the palate used by Gibbons himself to a large large extent. That's me adding INFORMED via first hand watching of the film, to correct a fear that is in fact unfounded.
I'm pretty sure you've worked yourself up into hating the film, but I'm also hopeful that you'll give the movie a fair shot. And I absolutely look forward to your take on the material. My review is very specific about what I love (the majority), what I like and what I don't like - and how those fits into judging the film as an adaptation and as a its own work.
which was how I looked at your own film, which was an adaptation, which due to its stylistic choices would be hated by many along moral tangents, versus judging the film based on what you were working for and whether or not you accomplished that.
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Funny, I always thought the fact that I'm from the UK was one of the reasons I hated it. It just missed the point really badly is all.
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Come on Knowles. You know the film is garbage and you know Snyder is a hack.
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Have to agree. The choice of director was a killing blow. Jimmy McTeigue is hardly an inspired artist.
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was one of its (and Alan Moore's) greatest strengths.
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Films like FAHRENHEIT 9/11 and W left me cold (mostly because of their filmmakers), but V FOR VENDETTA worked well as Bush-era political commentary because England was used as a solid allegory for 21st century America. If you're able to distance yourself enough from predictable Left vs. Right spin, you'll see how much more effective VFV is than anything by Michael Moore or Oliver Stone.
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The Embargo no longer stands in the UK - or, it would appear, anywhere bu the US.
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Thats just how people took it at the time. In twenty years they could see that movie being about the next douche american president. Heck it could be about HITLER more than it is about Bush.
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to having Eli Roth remake The Shining. that's a bad thing Hollywood. Don't get any fucking ideas.
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You're kidding right? Look. i liked V for Vendetta. But "England was used as a solid allegory for 21st century America" in that film. Not by any stretch of the imagination. The society in that film was a heavy handed caricature of Nazi Germany.
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Feb 24, 2009 9:43:14 AM CST
V for Vendetta is about Thatcher-era Britian
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
It has nothing to do with George Bush Snr or Jnr or Hitler.
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Was average... the same as the GN the only highlight is the performance of Rorschach...to be honest i didn't have high hopes for this film as I hated 300 (one of the crappest films I have ever seen in my life) but was surprised that it was watchable..but still didn't hit the money spot.
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Devil's advocate though... Art often time takes on meanings beyond the artist's original intent. That's the greater glory of art, to inspire beyond its time in history.
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Not Britian. Can't spell today.
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Don't tell Harry that V wasn't about Bush (since it was written before the man's presidency). Just let him make it all up. It's easier that way.
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...but can any of you honestly say the movie wasn't intended to be subversive? Like I already mentioned, the book was never about replacing one government with another one, the movie clearly was.
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Maybe in the GN it was about Thatcher but that was not presented in the film at all.
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Okay. It was written as a comment on Thatcher-era Britain. It's unfortunate that it is seen as representative of more recent times.
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Mass-surveillance such as closed-circuit television, propaganda through the media, black bags worn by prisoners similar to Abu Ghraib and Gitmo prisoners, color-coded alerts, etc.
Now, I do realize this isn't solely representative of the Bush Administration. Hitler's Germany, Thatcher's Britain, Joseph McCarthy...Take your pick from history.
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Fair enough. I think the way you worded it threw me off. Perhaps the acts of the previous adminstration were represented i nthe film, but not "21st century America" which I took to mean out society. In the book and movie those things were happening on a more domestic level, and not part of the so-called "war on terror."
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I really enjoyed as someone who knew the comic inside and out; the fanboys who hate it in a couple of weeks could never have been pleased. Not sure how well it stands up as a film away from the source material... I was forgiving some of slower bits because I knew what was around the corner.
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Such is the reason for art to take on different meanings and view points depending on the time and place. Thats why Watchmen is timeless. It never loses its meaning. We got a WATCHMEN film under Obama. Its perfect. Always watch those in power. ESPECIALLY the ones you actually like. In fact watch those even more closely than those you hate.
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The graphic novel and the film are two different animals altogether, mostly because of the times they exist. The original novel was heavily influenced on the rise of Thatcher and the conservative way in world politics, and it has a much twistier story than the movie, which was inspired by Bush 43.
The movie distills the story down to a basic plot frame of the book, but a very enriched one. With all of the people and goings on from the book in tact, you'd really only be able to make a miniseries without confusing common moviegoers. (Especially with all the ministers involved in their own personal dramas, and the Chancellor wanting to actually screw the supercomputer.)
I'll admit, I read the book after the movie; but I thought both stood alone perfectly. One didn't override the other, one didn't trump the other, they both existed as good fiction in their own rights. Here's hoping that if Watchmen doesn't live up to adaptive expectations, it will at very least be a good effort and a great standalone piece. -
so has snyder succeeded with the adaptation that so many filmmakers including gilliam and greengrass had to abandon?
the film is visually absolutely spellbinding throughout, the brutality - and snyder has point blank refused to trim anything to garner a 15 rating instead of an 18 - is vicious, visceral and extreme. the sound design is incredible.
the problem with the film is he has captured the visuals so brilliantly, and this is obviously a passion project, but something has been lost in translation from moore's original text. essentially the heart has been torn out and we forget to care on anything more than a superficial level about the characters and their predicaments. tellingly moore's name is conspicuous by its absence on the credits (again).
some of the cast nail the performances perfectly rorschach and the comedian are spot on examples and some fall flat. likewise some of the music cues are odd - and the choices don't always resonate with what's on screen.
from a genre fans perspective however this is an absolute must see and as i said it is visually one of the greatest films ever - but it could have been so much more. this will be a tough sell... at nearly 3 hours and with the extreme graphic violence and zero hollywood star recognition "who will watch the watchmen?" -
...but as a non fan, I do not. I's OK, the sidelines are pretty comfortable. I'll just settle down here and cheer at the sight of blood...
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'He says to viewers is they want to look for someone to blame for the current political situation, they need only look in the mirror.' That whole speech was fantastically relevant in our age of terror laws, extraordinary rendition etc. I don't know whether it was in the original GN or not. Also the idea that terrorists are MADE in those terror prisons, people become radicalised in them - that is relevant to our times, whether or not it was in the original. And it wasn't a lazy political commentary because the character of V was so great - I got so involved in the drama of it.
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For not remembering that All Along the Watchtower was used in the GN. BrainFart. Seemed an odd choice to me while watching the film. And it wasn't just that particular song, there are a couple other times when the songs that were chosen just seem to overpower the images a tad too much.
Again... these are minor things when viewing the whole, and I don't just want to hark on the few things that I didn't like as the good outweighed the bad by a longshot.
I think the coolest thing about the film is that, like the GN, multiple viewings are going to add to the experience. I know there are things I did not see the first time around, and I'm looking forward to the film growing on multiple viewings. -
Could it be something you have to get used too in a second viewing? Just like the ending to No Country For Old Men. The first time its jarring. The second time its easier to take in.
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All the guy was saying was that it comes from the director of 300, it looks stylized, and he is hearing the same types of reviews that preceded 300. You know damn well that you would have the same reservations if you were in a similar situation. I would be reading "I don't know... I want to get excited about this project but.... I don't know. Hopefully (director's name here) can pull it off but... I don't know". As for me, I haven't read the book, so all I am going on is what I see in the commercials and the reviews I read. And the thing that stands out to me more than anything is the words "three hours". I honestly doubt I will see this in the theater for that reason alone. I was more interested in Benjamin Button and that kept me away. I'll wait for the dvd release.
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I pretty much repeated what you had just written. Damn this talkback is FAST!
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was in the middle of "Under Siege 1992". Tommy Lee Jones has taken over the ship, and all hell is about to break loose. They really understood that Hendrix played *dangerous* guitar.
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It's just nice to have the backup.
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For misspelling apologise.
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wasnt this site BUILT on running reviews like this?
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Until recently were never seen alive in the wild, only seen after they were dead and washed up on beaches. I wonder if that's significant in any way ...
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OH MY GOD!!! IT'S TRUE!! I SWEAR!!!
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...for Manhattans penis?
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I almost never respond to blackboxes, mainly because it seems like an intervention of the 'net Archdiocese in an argument.I'm for you posting a review on your site, and bloody fuck the studios. But, I'm not hoping for advertising revenue, future scoops, or anything of the like. So, I'll chin up, and wait patiently for your bodily-fluid laced docudrama of your past history with the material review. :) (I like your enthusiasm for geeky stuff, I just take you with a grain of salt, is all)Right on telling that turdwrangler off, too. Hate for hate's sake? That's a little 2007, no?
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Should have ended after Bruce fell into Betty's arms in San Francisco. The shit with Nick Nolte sucked.
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...so when do we get to see your review then?
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I mean...come on now. He loved it. We don't need to read his review.
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A big budget studio art house picture that completely goes over the heads of critics and mass audiences everywhere? Too violent. Too sexual. Too meaningful for the norms to get it?
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but it's underpinnings are that NO State power should be trusted, that all government unwatched eventually leads to tyranny...especially if it is one of your own choosing.
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Like the best of Moore's work, there's no simple platitiude that can be lifted. V is a tyrant himself, who does on some level brainwash Evie for better or worse.
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FUCK YOU U DUNDEE
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Not interchangeable.
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...again. Ever. Please.
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but I want the movie to be good and entertaining. I have spent the last six months in TBs lambasting this project, agreeing with Fishus and he with me. However, I want to walk out saying, "That wasn't Moore's story, but it was a good story, told well." I am crossing my fingers - all of them. The acting will have to carry this for me. Fuck the action, fuck the effects, fuck the sound and music. If the primary actors can't carry this off, all of them, it's not going to work for me. Because "Watchmen" really is about people standing around talking.
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Kurt you're not getting flamed. And yes you would have been flamed for saying the above title.
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Feb 24, 2009 10:48:20 AM CST
Isn't Swinging Blue Cock the opening act at Lollapalooza?
by dr lizardo
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Look, its a fucking ADAPTATION. It's not like they took every copy in the world and burned it. Think it looks dumb? Don't go see it you fat fucks! The human beings here, who understand that the movie will be but on vision of an amazing work will gladly go see it twice over to compensate ticket sales for the fucking retards here obsessed with squids and slow motion.
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My ex-Biz partner got naked and painted his cock blue at burning man - then circulated pictures from his blog. Swell (it explains the ex prefix...). I figured telling other people about it would help dilute the trauma...
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Can we please have some commentary on Rorscachs death scene and Nite Owl 2s reaction. Also, how was the death of the original nite owl handled?
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As much as people like to slam him, I do love his "Powers" series of comics.
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Outside of that it had the worst actor by a lead that I've ever scene. Anyways, I still see Watchmen, but I won't be surprised if it turns out uneven like 300.
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Rorschach is not a psychopath. I've seen this pop up countless times when this character is referenced, and people who write for a living, like this guy at The Times, should know better. At worst, he's, arguably, a sociopath. It's becoming as common an internet annoyance as "I could care less." Anyway, nice to see positive reviews.
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Harry, since you appear to be checking in with some regularity on this TB - would u please have a go at fixing the Baleback TB?
It's registering hits beyond 10k - but the comments aren't appearing as posts.
Help us professionals get a little closure on this one. Do it for AICN. Do it for us. But most of all, do it for Bale. -
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Gerard Butler as Leonidas MADE that film. He was excellent. Funny. Sexy. And he kicked all sorts of ass.
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it's out of my hands. The tech guys aren't happy with y'all. It creates some issues. As a result they're going to make talk back caps that create separate pages for the talkback to load on, so that something or another doesn't happen and lessens the load issues.
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Hollis' death isn't handled here for time issues, but my understanding is it is in the longer version. Rorschach's you know is pretty much exactly as is in the book, but given a witness. It's pretty brutal with a new twist that I really love, but you should discover on film.
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...the kid novels that Snyder's next flick is based on. She showed me production art...pretty cool. Sort of a WATERSHIP DOWN type thing about owls. Not too kiddyfied though...looked pretty dramatic and badass.
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Hmmmm.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/entertainment/film/193648/Watchmen-18.html -
http://tinyurl.com/cxw8w8
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But I don't think that's a reason to rag on the guy. One of the great things about this site is Harry's unabashed PASSION for film and comics. I see him as an optimist. He's always looking for the good things, even in total junkers like "Attack of the Clones." There's a heart beating in there, and it's the heart of a kid. I mean that in a good way. Harry remembers what it was like BEFORE. And he's held on to that memory. We all should. You remember, you know, before we all got so goddamned jaundiced and cynical. That being said, it's still imperative that he calls out mistakes when he sees them. Listen, we have to hold these Hollywood studios' feet to the fire my brothers and sisters. As it's been said many times before, the best way to do that, is not to support movies you think are shit. Do not go see them. The dollar screams. Unfortunately, the studios know they have the geek dollar. They know that die hard geeks will go anyway. Hell, I smoked a joint, locked my keys in my '85 Bonneville and went to see motherfucking Daredevil. About the time Ben DyedRedHair Affleck and Elektra-Big-Brow Jennifer were playing footsies on the see-saw the pot wore off and I realized I was sitting through a giantic turd of a Daredevil film, AND my keys were locked in my car. It was a crushing moment. Then the film ended and I had to call a locksmith from the lobby of the theater. True story. Daredevil blew llama cock and I had no way home unless I paid a submental to come out and jimmy my shitbox. I was despondent. So vote with your dollars my fellow movie lovers, and let's remember how it was when were kids. Before.
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On their website, explaining the 18 rating they gave the film. That alone makes me want to see the film even more.
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Feb 24, 2009 11:26:06 AM CST
so many stupid 'blue cock and ball' references while waiting in
by captaincapslock
...for five hours. it was a soul crushing amount of geeks! i went with a friend who had never read the GN, he thought it was an 'alright' movie and that they should have made two movies out of it. i love the GN, but was really concerned about the movie. (especially after the long wait in line.) i really feel this movie blew some opportunities and there's a good chunk of this movie that is CRAPPY. it does thankfully come back around, but if i ever get this on DVD i may fast forward. :(
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Which is even better news.
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"just the latest substandard cobble to be laid on A**ebiscuit Avenue". Wow. I don't speak Bitter Limey, but I get the impression he didn't like it.
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to give an update regarding the Bale talkback. Yes, it's silly, yes, we're stubborn...but honestly it's been a terrific month and the interest we "professionals" have in posting and sharing humor and Bale-bits and whatnot is genuine.
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Thanks for the reply H.
If talkback capping is on the way, then I guess the days of the 10,000 post talkbacks are over...and you know what that means...
-THE BALEBACK WILL FOREVER BE THE GREATEST TALKBACK IN AICN HISTORY-.
That's what that is. THAT'S what that is. To every soul that posted there - professionalism is yours for ever more. Bale's proud of ya.
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Feb 24, 2009 11:28:01 AM CST
Who the fuck stops before the end of the comic???
by most excellent ninja
what a fucking lost cunt.
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NOW!
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legendary.
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film really charged the brain up. Thank WATCHMEN for that DVD column, brain could write, but couldn't sleep.
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email me dude.
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well if you are THE Kurt Lockwood I enjoy the fact I can go from seeing you pounding someone to watching Mac unload a minigun on a forest. hilarious. You could say it is MINOR FUCKING DESTRUCTION!
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Feb 24, 2009 11:33:00 AM CST
So the original Nite Owl's death has been removed also??
by dancingforever
That doesn't sit well with me sir, that was one of the heaviest emotional points of the book.
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WoW I never knew so many comic book geeks could have missed the whole point of the GN if they thought the ending was stupid. If the ending to the original GN was sutpid I doubt it could have ended up on Time's best list. I'll give the movie a shot but if the rumors are true and they changed the ending to what I heard then it's a failure. How could the movie ending be better? Cause it was dumbed down for the general retarded audience. I'm sick of shit being dumbed down so dumbfucks can understand what is going on. There's so much shit out their for your basic retard why compromise a fantastic ending like the one in the GN. Before anyone bitches I am not talking about using an actual squid monster....anyway...i'll see it in the theaters give it a chance.
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..or did that guy remind anyone else of Robert Downey Jr. as Wayne Gale in Natural Born Killers?
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like people say, if it's that shit then why the fuck is it considered a masterpiece, why is it in time's 100 greatest novels. These people are fucked. The whole aspect of fucking the earth with an alien monster and bodies everywhere is amazing.
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...when ### A V A T A R ### IS FUCKING OUR EYEBALLS IN 2009?nobody
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I can understand some reservations about this film given Zack's history (not everyone liked 300..and yes, it was over-stylized). However, it's not unheard of for a director to transcend their own personal legacies and do something greater than they have before. I remember all the debate when Peter Jackson took on the LOTR films; and the cheesy gore and scatological messes that were Dead Alive and Meet the Feebles certainly added to that. Yet, somehow, he was able to pull it out and make 3 successful (and reasonably faithful) adaptions of the original work. Ron Howard, who did god-awful shit like 'Willow' and 'Far and Away' also did "Ransom", "Apollo 13", "Cinderella Man" and "Frost/Nixon". Long story short - I too am guilty of expecting this project to fail...but I'm going to go see it anyway and hope to be surprised.
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The News of the World, for those of you unfamiliar, is the UK's biggest selling sunday tabloid. Half of it is sport, the other half is a mix of soaps, reality tv and gossip (which gives you a fair idea of the collective UK intellect circa 2009)Look at the reviewer's hair FFS, would you trust this man's opinion on anything if he thinks this is a suitable face to show the world?
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You need help, kid. Seriously.
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Feb 24, 2009 11:45:38 AM CST
Zack Snyder always seemed like a good and bad choice
by dapper swindler
Good because I knew he would, at the very least, succeed visually with recreating the gn. Bad, because he's never done a serious, thoughtful movie.
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local theatre yesterday, while waiting to see S.M., they had the making of a My Chemical Romance video for the Watchmen movie. If I wre Snyder, I wouldn't let their stink anywhere near my movie.
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The reviewer hates that most of the movie is a frame-by-frame adaptation of the comic book... what a douche. Guess I won't know till I've seen it... and I've still got about half the graphic novel to go...
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For bringing the current TB system to it's knees and testing the limits of what is possible! Viva la Bale!
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until our saviour Christian Bale loses his temper again.
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[ ] reviewer understood the joker. [ ] reviewer understood rorschach.
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Maybe next week. Maybe next year.
...But it's only a matter of time before Mt.Bale erupts again.
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because they changed the entire thrust of the story you want to write a scathing indictment of bush and the religious right, write your own movie, dont use v to do it dont change evie from a poor girl forced into prostitution into a newscaster dont throw in a love story between v and evie and for fucks sake, dont put in the "we are all v" bullshit
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Thank you for your comments regarding the Baleback. Please know that the intent was NEVER "lets break the site," and should such a thread ever develop again, know this in advance. We of the dojo are fans of this site first and foremost. That is why we are here. We are not, however, 'fanboys' of this site and will point out its failures as well as its successes. In both cases, we do so for the purposes of making it a better dojo for us all. Those who deny you entry into the dojo react with hearts instead of minds. We in the dojo strive to speak with both.
now get some sleep, and wake up ready to work on the next DVD feature, because God knows, it will be 3 weeks before we see it.
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Something tells me Moore didn't mind the jabs at Bush. Whats wrong with having your film be relevant? Evey is your average drone thrust into V's startling reality of whats really going on around them. Her reawakening is the heart of the story. There is no love between her and V I dunno where you pulled that from and if we all don't take responsibility in regulating our gov't then what the fuck is the point of anything? Yes we are all V. Its the same message just made a little more obvious in the film. Having Evey put on the mask is the same exact message. She carries the mantle. Some people just don't want to like anything. I swear.
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...posted above was outstanding. I've been less enthusiastic about some clips, but some stuff is just perfect.
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The 3 min Rorschach clip is the first of the clips I've LOVED. Spot on. No complaint.
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Feb 24, 2009 12:52:32 PM CST
Looks right, but doesn't feel right..going through motions but w
by fleshmachine
that what the all the clips feel like...shallow. is it just me?
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Its just a movie. If it sucks a big veiny cock, than you have something to laugh at.
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If only the Rorschach clip had been released initially... It's so ironic that they apparently released the shittier, 300-derivative clips to pull in the non-WATCHMEN/300 lovin' readers. They know avid WATCHMEN readers will see the fucker whether they're pissed off or not so much of the marketing has been geared towards everyone else. Well played.Still yet to be convinced by the Big Plot Alteration, but I am looking forward to the film more than ever now. Thanks for the link, Kurt!
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The clips probably feel shallow 'cos you're watching them out of context. Wait for the film, squire!
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Thanks DGDB for the perspective. Im getting laid after I see this on Friday and while no matter how good or bad the movie is will effect me when I'm walking out of it, the getting laid part will still be the highlight of my evening. It's just a movie.
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This may still be a good film, but those comments make it look as if it's, once again, the case of that little boy mentality that Snyder clearly has (that's all that "300" was, after all).
As far as I can recall, that particular scene in "Watchmen" was quiet and understated, and therefore powerful - a shred of burned underwear, and the image of one bone that first seemed to be of unknown origin. If this guy is right and if the movie literally replaces that imagery with actual scene showing "dogs fighting over a bloody carcass of a child", then it's the American (and English) TV way: take it, make it loud, obnoxious, garish and overdone, then feed it to the masses, because they will love it.
When Eli Roth throws raw meat, ketchup and eyeballs on screen, when a teen TV star of the week splits a skull with a pickaxe in slow motion, that's not cinema for adults - that's a little boy's "cool" idea of cinema for adults. When Marlon Brando exclaims "Stella!", when Max von Sydow closes his eyes and prays silently - THAT is cinema for adults.
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You have the studios telling you what to do and what not to do on your OWN WEBSITE. Man Harry you take our breaths away amazing. You serisously act like someone is "enforcing" something upon you? tell me how someone enforces something upon you on a site you run..orr errr...claim to run. It's fine Harry, we knew you started back ass sliding down that pole years ago. Just don't treat the rest of us like children.
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they watered down V for Vendetta heavily for the big screen. If you need in depth explanation on why some people percieve that as a negative thing there is no hope for you.
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i hope so...i fear it may have 300 syndrome. 2D eye candy with no soul. fingers crossed snyder hasnt destroyed the depth of the material.
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why show it to you then? free speech in america my ass.
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I completely agree. I have yet to read a review that fleshes out WHY the new ending works. So far I've just seen a lot of vague hyperbole.Convince us, critics. Response: we don't write to please you pathetic WATCHMEN fan boys. Counter-response: Eat shit, you self-important pricks. Most of you are the bottom feeders of the writing world.
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300 was a dead movie.
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You know what Harry, Don't let the jerkoffs get you down. You made a deal with the studio and your keeping to it. Good for you. These days a lot of people don't know how to keep their word.
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with how the reviewer feels about 300....if the review thought 300 was awesome then i will know to ignore the review...if the reviewer thought 300 was a shallow eye candy bore..then i will read it.
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Please tell me more about what you would have wanted to see in the "I'm Sure" Very faithful adaptation of Watchmen by Jim Jarmusch and David Lynch. You like to demand questions and bitch when you don't get an answer to feed your no squid watchmen , so would you mine telling me about the ultimate version you suggested with jarmusch or lynch making it.
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...and it reads like he starting writing it before he even saw the film. I mean, was there any doubt that he was going to love it regardless?He manages to compare it to THE GODFATHER. Uh, interesting. And the bit where he discusses the sex scene is laughable.That being said, I was never really a fan of the original GN. But I am curious enough to go see it. And I do hope, for the fanboys' sake, that this movie will appease or satisfy. We'll find out soon enough...
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Of rorschach at superherohype.com and damn if they dont lift my hopes after a couple of those other clips, although they are edited for the nets (kid-friendly language, no"whores").
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Is what is going to save this movie for the 300 crowd. For the Watchmen crowd, either you'll love it for what it is, an adaptation, or you'll hate it for what it isn't. Which is to say, the novel.Kurt, the clip you posted above is amazingly well done. It's BAD ASS!
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People accuse Harry of gushing over everything and when he doesn't because of an embargo then you turn into the townsfolk running him out of town.
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Every review (positive and negative) that I've seen have said the exact same things...
The good: Looks pretty, sounds pretty, no holding back on blood & sex, fantastic opening segment, and good performances from Rorschach, Night Owl 2, Doc. Manhattan, and Comedian.
The Bad: soulless, style over substance, too much slow mo, depth of the GN stripped bare, final 30 minutes are anti-climactic and clumsy, and bad performances from Silk Spectre 2 and Ozzy.
Pretty much everything we could already gleam from the 9+ clips released over the last week.
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if snyder reworked that scene to telegraph to the audience what happened, and make the scene grosser, it will have lost all the nuance and elegance that was in the book are movie audiences so dumb that they need to see dogs fighting over a carcass and not a bone? and its rorshach's slow realization of what has occured that has the impact in that entire scene i mean, zach already overdoes it by showing rorshach using the meat cleaver on the guy's head...its just not neccessary
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and you sir give the biggest douche chills ever. I've been reading your comments and how you like to play diplomatic like your really looking at this entire project objectively then you go and completely forgot those remarks and start trashing the film beyond belief with your little cronies. You sir are the biggest fucking tool to have ever graced the talkbacks but I'm not shocked seeing as how you are apart of a fucking cancer of a proffession, yes the one you say I don't like to bring up yet you bring it up at any chance you get. creepy dude indeed. Wait! Why don't you just accuse me of being mori like you do to anyone who wants to see this film and is excited ya mook.
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...is the line "Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends." spoken by Doc Manhattan near the end?!?Please, let me know as my level of excitement is hinging on this knowledge.
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im not going to see the movie now...i dont care what the critics or harry say, that totally fucks things up for me
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When I read from post to post, its like the person thinks their point of view is the final say, the ultimate badass comment and completely ignores any other previous post..Im thinking people who read this site are just cynical cunts who think they are awesome critiques and could do it better, only they aren't and are fuckin workin at 'best buy'
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to her mom snyder didnt think that audiences would get it when manhatten says it to veidt...since the movie doesnt end then here is what i have learned movie audiences are dumber than comic book readers i want everyone who berated me for years regarding my comic book collecting to get on their fucking knees and apologize....for i am more intelligent than 90 percent of the fucking movie going world
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I thought that was when people just said stupid shit to each other that isn't true. All I did was point out how big of a fucking douchebag you are which is evident by your post.
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You're not getting it. My post is the final say...because it's the ultimate badass comment - so I'm going to ignore all the previous posts and just keep on living as the cynical cunt I am (I'm refusing to change my Best Buy shirt because I'm a prick). Oh well...at least I'm not spewing venom, ignorance and anger on a forum in response to everyone else's venom, ignorance and anger. That would make me a total douche.
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I hope you're not figuring this out just now. I remember walking out (for some reason this one stuck with me) The 6th Sense, and this group of folks behind me saying "Do you think he was actually dead?" "Was he??? I thought...". Holy hell.
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Ugh. LAURIE says it? LAURIE??? Not a deal breaker, but that just sucks.
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Looks like the haters got pwned. They'll "hate" it anyway, of course, even on their umpteenth viewing of the film on opening weekend. They'll "hate" it more and more as the weekend progresses. Their "hate" directly proportional to the hater's body weight (obese), lifestyle (has none; lives in mom's basement), and sexually active status (eternally virginal, chronic masturbator). Of course, all of these haters will secretly love it, but will never admit it -- they are so wedded to their own misery that they are unable to enjoy ANYTHING without pretending to hate it. A desperately angry, lonely, and utterly joyless bunch of people. As for me, I cannot friggin' wait to see this movie. So far, most of the actual reviews I read are glowingly positive. Can! Not! Wait!!!
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I think any of the transformers talkbacks illustrate that enough. Any movie that necessitates the creation of a comicbook to tell the backstory to make the audience give a shit pretty much seals the lid on that argument.
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You're a riot. 8*3*% of a whopping 6 reviews. Wow.That stated, I for one *am* looking forward to the film. Waiting to be convinced about the Big Alteration, but I'm pretty excited about what I've most recently seen. Here's hoping...
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I can't fucking believe they changed the line in terms of who is speaking it and who it's spoken to. That line (to me) was the beautiful final moment of the book that I will always remember. It was the culmination of all that came before it.Having Laurie say it to her MOM!?!?!?The whole point is gone now....the idea was that Viedt was left uncertain. Yearning for approval from his intellectual equal only to be left with a vague unsatisfactory answer.FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!And I'm some one that is FINE with the changed ending...was bugged by the fact that they're called WATCHMEN..but got over it.THIS though, THIS really gets me.And Bacci, I never had any doubt that the average comic fan is smarter than the average movie goer. That said though, both camps have a large amount of hopeless retards within them.And comic fans have more dudes that just wanna be heard, so they just bitch.
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i wouldve slapped that bunch silly last nite, i watched grapes of wrath while not as deep as the novel, it is still filled with symbolism, and doesnt talk down to its audience here we are, almost 70 years later, and they have to dumb down a comic book movie we are truly devolving
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I imagine when they're all in, it will probably hover in the 75-80% range at minimum.
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...going to be somewhat disappointed when the movie comes out? (Not because it's good/bad...but because we can't continue to debate its merits without any real insight). I can only hope the pre-release hype (which is now akin to Snakes On A Plane) can come close to matching the finished product.
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I'm with you there, man. Laurie was arguably the least likable, most doltish character in the comic. There's no way she would come up with that line, and even if she did, it becomes a throw away statement delivered by her. Now having the equivalent of a nigh-unto omniscient GOD delivering that line in response to an anxious Veidt wanting to be reassured that his mass murder was not in vain--THAT works.Bad choice.
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In the other talk backs where early footage was shown and it was universally panned you were no where to be found, now a few positive reviews come in and you show up with a sense of new life. Since we have discussed my thoughts before, I will be brief. The ideal would have been to translate this to a mini series format on HBO. An episode for every book, directed by a host of talented directors, word for word, page for page from the book. Double J, Lynch and others would be great choices. As for our attack on the Immortal Kurt Lockwood, I find it laughable. He is without a doubt one of the best posters AiCN has ever seen, and has remained unbiased and open to debate to anyone. The fact you would show up now and attack him soldifies your place as a certified troll who looks for nothing more than conflict. If you wouldn't mind, please add your thoughts about the film or ideas being expressed, and avoid the personal attacks you have become famous for. I would say to you that I am impressed with the early reviews, however when I hear that Nite Owl's death scene has been cut I am even more amazed at the decision making that went into this project, how could you take that out?
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ACCORDING TO VARIETY.
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I actually suspect you're right about the final positive review tally, though only time will tell. So far it's just the brits weighing in. We will see soon.
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he said, that because that line doesnt come closer to the end, and because one cant turn back the page, it would just end up being a throwaway of course, snyder also said that he changed the end, because it would take another 30 minutes of screen time to explain it....which he then changed to 15 minutes....which still misses the whole point...that its not the ending, its what led up to it...and the reader being marvelled at the complexity of this absurd plan, and understanding why the comedian said, "its all a joke" i hope viewers enjoy the movie...i hope it brings many more to read the source material...i hope it leads all the actors, snyder and all the support staff onto bigger and better things but im still not going to go see it
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You can't help but be somewhat dissappointed with this movie, even if you love it. It isn't the graphic novel. It can never BE the book. Here's hoping it's a good movie.
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Spoilers! SPOILLLLLERRRRS!
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What's up? I have to disagree with your 'Snakes on a Plane' comparison. 1. This is a known commodity, with a director who has been releasing info on the flick since day one. SOAP was 'a funny idea, with a great genre actor in it'.2. The source material for this is well loved, and SOAP's source material was literally a title of a flick, and the desire for a badass actor to do his thing on a plane with some snakes.Anyone who has declared this flick to be great or awful before seeing it is doing a lot of guesswork, and probably lets their gut do most of the heavy lifting thought-wise. But I've tried to stay optimistic, and I'm a fan of the source material. I think your comparison is unfair to Snakes on a Plane, as well...since that was all buzz and no bee. This looks like the motherfuckin' HIVE to me. But I could be wrong.
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I can see how you'd think that I was saying that's how the book ends from what I typed.Though that line (for me) is the conclusion of the story.
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http://tinyurl.com/avpu6m. He's gone! He's gone! JON PETERS IS GONE!!! Now we might get a complete Superman movie...
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Fair point bud. This is a more known commodity so not all of the debate is hype (some of it is based on people's strong feelings about the source material)...perhaps a better analogy would be my earlier comparison to the LOTR series (and the outcry that occurred when Peter Jackson was picked). Despite strong early reviews, a host of folks on theonering.net really raised a fuss - but were mostly placated by the finished product. I am just hoping this film is worth all the debate. Good point though....you're right - the SOAP comparison may be somewhat unfair.
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For me the story ends when Manhattan deals with Rorschach. :)
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I know. I know. But it's the "dumb it down" moves that I'm hearing about that are getting to me.Changing the name of the team to WATCHMEN and now giving Laurie the line that was meant for Manhattan.Fuck, man.And yeah, Bacci, that is a sorry excuse from Snyder. It has no power coming out of Laurie. It has NONE of the impact.
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Sounds...gay. In the 'I like wang' gay way, not the 'Wow, that's super lame' way. Though it's also lame. It's uh...glame? Yeah, that's what that title is. GLAME.
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snyder really wants to get amanda seyfreid to play baby doll in sucker punch i think a much better choice is daveigh chase
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We all somehow survived that. The importance is the line, not who says it. Not to mention she says that JOHN said it lol.
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Man...Here's my analogy: Snyder is trying to set up the Senior Prom of Superhero Movies, the defining moment, a milestone, if you will.Snyder's problem here, I think, is that he's going to have to try and please the whole lunch room, not just his geek friends at the dork table. Not just his cool friends at the popular table. But he has to serve the interests of the faculty and staff, too! And, we're just walking by the gym, peeking in at sections of what he's doing, and whatever camp you fall in, you're going to see the glimpses we get in whatever light you feel is disconcerting. If you're a casual fan, you don't get why the things the geek fans are bitching about are so important. If you're a geek fan, you're protective of the things that make you an iconoclast, rather than the kid that smells like pickles and pencil shavings, and possibly B.O.. I get that, too.I hope he pulls it off.
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I'm not typically a person who gets hung up on the little changes.Like I said, was FINE with the non-Squid ending. Still am.It's just that line...SPOKEN by Manhattan to Veidt. It was the justice. Here is Veidt. He pulls off his ultimate plan, and yet is still unsure of the justifications.He asks who he considers his equal for validation. Not only does he NOT get it, but he gets a vague platitude that he does not understand.it's also, in a way, the completion of Manhattan's arc. AND I thought the saying of the line would've made more sense in the wake of the Manhattan destruction that replaces the Squid.Now it's exactly what Snyder is claiming it would've been had he left it intact. It's throwaway.I've also got some personal connection to the line, it was that one line of dialogue that I knew I'd always remember.you know what I mean? When you're reading something and just a line BOOOM hits you. Stands out.And I also feel like ALOT of the dialogue in LOTR...well, it's convoluted and very easy to exchange.This line though, was Doc Manhattan's moment.
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Watchmen is not dumbed down. Keep grasping at straws losers.
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We all have eyes, you idiot. So when there are only about seven reviews up, it's likely we've all read them, and therefore know that you're either a.) completely full of shit or b.) completely illiterate. Read Devin's review on CHUD (easily the most well thought-out so far) and then get back to me about how "soulless" it is.
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In the way I liked "300", but not in the way I liked "Memento". Trust me, that's not a compliment.
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But could someone link to the review? Or is the non-review review the review everyone's jizzing in their pants over?
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And I'm even hesitate to use the term "dumbing down" (i know i did) because I haven't seen the movie yet and i know it's NOT 2 1/2 hours of Transformers 'splosions and big tits.But when I see changes that could VERY easily have been avoided that serve seemingly no purpose other than "for the sake of change" it gets my ire up.Call me crazy.Calling the team "Watchmen" and this change in dialogue are the best examples I've come across.As far as making a "movie", which is wholly different from the medium he's adapting and had to please everyone...I understand that. And if you read my previous post you'll see that I champion that idea. I am FULLY behind the changed ending.But when I hear things like "we changed it to Watchmen because people wouldn't know why the movie was called that" or "we changed the line because it says 'end' in it and it wasn't close enough to the end" it makes me artistically shudder.
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i didnt like most of his changes...but i was just so happy to see an epic brought to the screen, i didnt care...except for his decision to remove the firing of the shire, which changed the entire homecoming of the hobbits...that was inexcusable and the line now does become a throwaway in the novel, veidt, who seemed so cocksure of himself, turns to god and asks....did i do the right thing that is not what your normal villian does take that away, alot of depth goes with it my god man, he changed rorshach warning veidt, to have dan do it, which removes one of the greatest lines in the book...with rorshach basically calling veidt a whore now that scene is important, because it sets up in the reader's mind, that veidt has indeed sold out his principles...which is not the case whatever...i like zach...i am happy that geek culture rules the world i just thought that this movie would be the first mature comic book hero movie to be made and no, tdk was not a mature comic book movie...it was a nice action adventure flick, with comic book characters in it
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Devin seems to hate everything, so I was kinda shocked that he gave Watchmen 9/10.
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I don't want to come off as condescending, but you could close your eyes and click randomly over Harrys post and probably hit at least three links to posted reviews.
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dont you fuckers get it? chud wants exclusives from the biz...so they blow smoke up all the suits asses...fuck chud
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Not to get too offtopic, but Jackson did show the Scouring of the Shire...just not in a blatantly obvious way. Go back and watch Fellowship again.
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I said Devin hates everything.
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...to leave certain things in the book so the book remains its own experience. BTW that watchmen review seems to have destroyed chud lol. I can't get to the main page.
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He doesn't hate everything. Just most things.
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Missed that.
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and im sorry for saying "firing of the shire"...i do that all the time, as scouring is so british, and i am not...are you sure its there? cuz ive seen the movie 5 times, and i recall distinctly jackson saying he hated that scene in the book
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I'll still see it and enjoy it because even the girl I love isn't exactly the way I want her, but that doesn't ruin it for me.
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That review gets me feeling a lot better, as do a lot of the ones posted today. That said, they're all familiar with the GN, which bodes well for us, but maybe not so much for the rest of the country. I still wonder what mainstream critics are going to think. BUT, as of now, people like -Halfscan- and others trying their damndest to dig the negative out of hugely positive reviews just seem like the worst kind of geek, and I'm glad they won't be in my theater on opening day. Don't even bother arguing with them, because their minds are made up.
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Feb 24, 2009 2:34:36 PM CST
Chud thumbs nose at embargo, site gets hammered by page impressi
by arcadian del sol
moral of the story: unless an embargo comes with a $100.00 bill attached to it, post the review.
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AND HE'S COMING TO YOUR HOUSE HE THINKS YOU'RE THE SECOND COMING OF AYN RAND!
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But then, like that airplane pilot, I like movies about gladiators.
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...the Harry Knowles that started this site used to publish his reviews (complete with spoilers) long before the movie came out...and without permission. Anyone remember his passionate sodomy for THE PHANTOM MENACE or ATTACK OF THE CLONES? I do.
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Feb 24, 2009 2:44:23 PM CST
Harry everyone's breaking the embargo just tell us what you thin
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...a part of the machine. You think that you make your money from the studios...so you give your allegiance accordingly. I used to come to this website for breaking news and spoilers. Now, I just come here to listen to the rants and raves about information that has already been released. Thankfully, there are plenty of "underground" sites that don't simply suck the cum from the cocks of the studio bigshots. For breaking news, I visit DarkHorizons. For other news...I have my sources on the net, of which, AICN is no longer a part. That said, I do enjoy reading Harry's reviews...when they aren't mingled with studio or poltical opinions. I do, however, miss the good ol' days...when the background actually showed a 1930s image of King Kong. I suppose when that changed, the site lost its charm.
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http://www.usmagazine.com/news/megan-fox-brian-austin-green-call-off-engagement
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Check Blunty guy's interview with Morgan...HOLY SHIT. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is the bombdiggity.
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Yep, it's there...but again, not in the way you might think. It's basically a "what if" scene, when Frodo looks into Galadriel's Mirror. You see the Shire in flames, and all the hobbits imprisoned by orcs/trolls/etc. Jackson also moved the Saruman/Wormtongue confrontation to the beginning of ROTK (extended edition), which originally took place during the Scouring.
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He's a decent writer but this wouldn't be the first time he'd obviously cemented his opinion on a movie long before he'd seen a frame. That, and the fact that his is the only unqualified rave review of Watchmen I've yet seen, prevent me from putting much stock in his viewpoint. Watchmen may well be a fine movie, but the reviews thus far don't suggest to me that it's true greatness we're looking at here. I'm not convinced this movie will be able to emerge from the graphic novel's huge shadow and make an impact on its own terms.
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always seemed out of place and anticlimactic, but that's just me. Jackson's main error in the theatrical ROTK was cutting out Saruman's demise...it didn't take up that much time, and there was plenty of fat at the end that could have been trimmed to make room for it.
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IT always amazes me that we as a society can take someones word on something without having watched this movie. How will you ever know if this movie was horrid or fantastic if you never watch and instead you go by someone who never liked comic book movies to begin with (IMO, those are the worst kind of reviewers).
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That would be *Burning* Blue Cock. Whole different band.
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... in a select number of theatres and see what the response is? Maybe wait a few weeks after the shorter version starts to run out of steam, then BAMM release the full version for a double-dip. People will buy the dvd regardless of what version they've seen. If they hate the shorter version they won't be in a rush to buy it in extended bluegay anyway, so why delay the full version when it's already made? Just saying, that's all.
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Zack's interview, he explains exactly why the squid isn't in the movie...and holy buggeryballs. It makes sense.
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That was fucking hilarious.
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Care to summarize his argument or--better yet--provide a link? Thanks.
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What more do we want? How about a professional film production, rather than a cheap amateur effort? If you read my post above yours, you'd see I was happy with everything in V except for the crappy visual direction. It looked like TV.
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Is the biggest rag in British publishing and they know it. Their reviewer is an idiot.
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There's a bunch of videos on youtube accusing him of beating his ex-fiancee, I swear I'm not making this up. There's a whole anti-blunty3000 posse out there. Youtube wjFzT86Y66A and you'll find others.
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Dear Brian,Now that I'm a HUGE star now and everyone loves me and wants to fuck me, I no longer feel the need to be with a washed-up has been sitcom star. Rather, I will be hanging out with more powerful and famous men and doing basically anything I want to. Thank you for introducing me to all your friends and getting my foot in the door, thereby paving my way to stardom as you wither in obscurity. Also, thanks for all the cocaine and plastic surgery. Oh, and btw, I faked every orgasm.
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Pretty good--if bloated--review. But JESUS: 4,100 words and Devin doesn't ONCE address the Big Plot Alteration. Damn--I want to be convinced.
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Dear Megan:
I have issued you a 'frowny face' on XBox Live and cited you as 'disruptive voice.' Im sorry, but until you learn to play Carcassonne without screaming obcenities at random, I cannot continue an XBOX Friends relationship with you.
ps: your avatar looks like a meth addict.
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Just go to the Whiskey Bar. She's there quite a bit, once in a while with Brian Austin Green. She looks like a total skank.I'm not saying I wouldn't...'cause I would...but she doesn't look like anyone you'd look twice at in the street.
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I'd put it in the stink, for sure, but she looks like a total skank. Give me a classy Hollywood babe, any day.
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From the GQ article: "After breakfast, Megan and I—along with a former Marine turned security guard named Anthony—will head out onto the Comic-Con floor, where Megan wants to meet some graphic artists whose work she admires and shop for a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles T-shirt"
Fox seems in her element here: She marvels for nearly ten minutes over comic legend Michael Turner’s Batman sketches and, at one point, scolds me for an offhand comment about the nerds being out in full force. “They’re not nerds,” she says. “They’re just passionate.”
Fox adores superhero and fantasy films. “If I get stuck doing comic-book films for the rest of my life, I’ll be really happy,” she says. “I love those types of movies. And I don’t mind being sexy—if it’s a character with a backstory and an arc and something progresses.” But of course, comic-book movies aren’t known for complex character development, and when I ask Fox if she has more of a character in Transformers 2, which is now filming in L.A., she answers by stating the obvious: “Transformers 2 is directed by Michael Bay.”
Did they at least figure out a way to make the robots seem more human this time?
“You weren’t concerned about them making the humans seem more human?”
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How's your Mom? Is she doing anything this weekend?
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Did anyone see his interview with Zack Snyder? He's giggling like a schoolgirl at everything Snyder says. Why not just drop to your knees and blow the guy, Faraci? You're practically doing it already. Nobody should have doubted that Faraci would give this a rave review. Here's hoping the movie lives up to the hype. P.S. The cover of Desolation Row by MCR is pure, unadulterated rape. Just terrible, terrible stuff.
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"Hollywood babe" in the same sentence, as such a thing simply does not exist. Ask Any fucking Professional...and they'll tell you that damned near every actress in Hollywood is one botched blowjob away from getting her career trashed and having to re-audition to get her job back at Spearmint Rhino. The fucking amateurs.
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i dont know its filmaking budget,but i guess that,together with the promotion,its total cost will be at least 100m dollars.
it will earn its money back,but it wont have the success of 300 or TDK,like the producers hope.
and i am not being such an idiot for wanting a movie to fail commercially because i dont like it,its that i dont want to watch further rape of the original masterpiece.if it is a huge succes,we ll get a trilogy,more videogames,new characters,new fuckups.
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Honestly, Harry should shut these TB's down. Some of the worst people imaginable on here. It's like 4chan but not funny.
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Feb 24, 2009 4:41:34 PM CST
ominus, they're not going to burn all the copies of the book
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You are so dreadfully pathetic. "I am sorry," but its true. Watchmen is not a fucking religion, its a graphic novel.
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bacci40 wrote:
in the novel, veidt, who seemed so cocksure of himself, turns to god and asks....did i do the right thing
that is not what your normal villian does
take that away, alot of depth goes with it
my god man, he changed rorshach warning veidt, to have dan do it, which removes one of the greatest lines in the book...with rorshach basically calling veidt a whore
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I'd buy fast food from him. That English accent makes me hungry for food? You can imagine him on the Food Channel doing food reviews!!! I don't know, are the rest of you hungry after listening to his review? He sounds like he's eating a piece of pie, or something else delicious, as he talks?
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I don't know what I don't fucking understand!
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cause his video interview with zack snyder was caaaareeeeepppyyy
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We should all skip Watchmen on opening weekend. Throw everybody into a panic.
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You know, that sun baked "Cheetos" Orange color that Micheal Bay gave her in the first Transformers movie (and I presume the second). Yeah, that's how I like my Megan Fox.
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but really about the only thing we've ever achieved here en masse was 10000 posts about being professional
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Come and live in England, my man! All our women are 'creosote' orange! From Jordan to Jodie Marsh, there's a never-ending array of cheap, low-IQ slappers covered with fake tan and carrying enough silicon to sink a battleship.England - the cradle of Western civilisation...
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http://tinyurl.com/7bvb3y
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I want to find out if the user name ALANMOORES_SQUIDBLOOD is available.
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...is calling the band of superheroes "The Watchmen." That, in and of itself, pisses me off and misses this point: "Who watches the watchmen?" Anyone not reading the novel immediately thinks "yeah, those superheroes were out of control," when in truth, "The Watchmen" are ALL authority figures - from Nixon to the cops to the detectives at the beginning to the "costumed adventurers" themselves. Snyder de-balled that whole thing by calling them "The Watchmen."
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...at a screening in London. I liked it. Some minor spoilage... Rorschach was absolutely amazing. The guy nailed it. Comedian and Night Owl were also very good. In fact, all the characters were pretty much bang on except for Ozymandias who I thought they got very wrong. For me the Veidt in the comic was this good looking, charismatic, charming role model type. Likeable. The last guy you'd expect to be the villain. In the movie he was cold and creepy and quite obviously a rotter from the start. There was LOADS of slow mo, like in almost every fight scene and then some. Literally, they could shave 15 mins off this film if they took it all out. To be honest though, it didn't bother me as much as I thought it would though I can imagine it will really bug a lot of people as it has been such a contentious issue on these boards. My biggest concern going in was, of course, the ending. I was definitely a pro-squid guy but having seen it I get that to set up the squid would have taken more time. I would love to see a director's cut with it in but that's pretty unlikely. The whole blaming it on Doc Manhatten thing was handled well however and I felt that the meaning from the GN was kept in tact due to the way the world reacted to the explosions. Without spoiling anything too much, one thing I didn't like was how they explained the reasons for the comedian's death and how this tied into the climax. Despite my criticisms, the movie still worked for me as a whole because ultimately I cared about the characters and was emotionally engaged. It felt like Watchmen and I cannot wait to see the version with 'The Black Freighter' in.
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Harry, if CHUD can break the embargo, you can break the fucking embargo.
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I'm serious...are there many more such obvious screw ups in this film? If they let that one slide...shit...now I'll spend the whol three fucking hours looking for more. I can accept those kinda of production fuck ups when watching low budget Star Trek from 1966...but come on..a 150Mil movie?
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do you go to the movies to be entertained or to pick them apart.
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I think they need to cgi the heels on the tennys and forget all about the squid bullshit..
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news of the world owned by rupert murdochs news corps. He obviously owns Fox. Did fox get just a compensation pay off and is it warners that are getting the box office money. Despite its mind numbingly stupid readership it is a popular paper.A bad review there could really hurt its box office in the UK. You should read some of the other movie reviews in the past. they could possibly be the worst opinions ever expressed about cinema. Surprisingly they loved all the fox made Starwars prequels.
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Your review is probably my best case scenario. Hoping I feel like you do. Ambivalent but generally pleased.
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How were the performances of Silk Spectre 1 and 2? Doc M handled well?
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its called having a life. I can't make every Watchmen talkback though lord knows I try. And you and I both know Jim Jarmusch and David Lynch would NEVER do a word by word, faithful adaptation so just step off it and quit pretending that would be a good ideal. Snyder already fucked up your beloved Watchmen so move on, You must have a life outside hating a film so much. As for me being known as a flamer? or a personal attacker who enjoys conflict? Could not be farther from the truth I love the boards and people on them and I use them to discuss how Cool things look to me and fellow talkbacks. Your obviously pulling for straws when you say I'm the kind of tber who goes around looking for conflict. You and Kurt should deserve each other man.
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Silk Spectres 1 and 2 were both fine, not as strong as some of the other performances but by no means bad at all. Doc M felt true to the character in the comic and seeing as it's such a hard role to pull off, I felt Billy Crudup did a great job. I guess it's just Rorschach, Comedian and Night Owl were so good that they really stood out. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. When those clips hit last week I suddenly felt very concerned about this film and my expectations dropped but I really did like it, I gave a shit about the characters and the audience I watched it with seemed to really enjoy it. The time flew by and that's always a good sign.
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Let me sum up.
Basically, Snyder says that the squid moment happening in the book, the giant squid in Times Square, causes the reader to do some backwards page flipping.Something specific to the book medium that has to translate to film, which can only be done clumsily if at all: Flashbacks, or pointer scenes like in Indy 1. (That's my description, he doesn't call it a pointer scene, I think he says exposition)But it totally makes sense. Without having to reel the movie backwards and take up time pointing out plot elements that seem to be incongruous, or having the villain spout off his whole plan (which Ozy does in the book, but has already completed his plan by that time), it's something that was perfect for the book but in film would have been too clumsy.I get the feeling that Snyder knows he's not the greatest auteur of this generation, he knows his limitations, from this interview. If you click the link above, speed to the end, there are links in the window. What? Did nobody watch that review? :) If the guy beats his wife, I'm a monkey's uncle Buck. Because he seems like a bit of a puss/spaz. Just saying. -
I might actually take the time to illegally download the film. Of course, there's still no way I'm paying to see it.
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the dude is one of the most biased and unobjective reviewers and downright human beings there is. Snyder, Apatow could shit a movie and he'd lick it. Doesn't help him that he looks like a fat version of Serpico with none of the honor. His Nolan hatred has become laughable.
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Feb 24, 2009 10:49:57 PM CST
Devin says TDK was just 'good' but Juno was a really good
by most excellent ninja
hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha. Try someone with more integrity cunts.
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Both have been tagged 'unfilmable' but moreso that always meant it becoming a "good" film. LOTR was called unfilmable because of the sheer scope, it's a linear story, technically it wouldn't be hard to adapt if the technology was available. Just turning that huge story into a film seemed impossible. But it wasn't. It ended up being some of the greatest films ever made.
Watchmen however, isn't a linear story, it is all over the place and was written to show what other mediums cannot do, why the Comic book has so many advantages over just about every medium. That's what makes it unfilmable. It would take a true visionary and would have to be nothing other than an experimental arthouse film, why I think this is because the Doc Manhattan scene would just come out of nowhere and in a film where acts don't matter would seem great, but for a major mainstream film. Probably not. Or it'd be fucked with. That's why I thought LOTR was safe because the major details and the spirit are what mattered, with Watchmen, the spirit isn't enough - it needs more. Plus Peter Jackson is a real filmmaker and on another level than Zack Snyder. -
You missed the part at the end when she wrote "SINESTRO CORPS WAR!"
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I want classy women, women who take it up the butthole. Personally a hollywood woman who is fine with the gape, that's the woman of my dreams. If she can transform into a giant robot, that would be an advantage.
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I am Kyle Reese's brother, one of John Conner/Christian Bale's spec ops soldiers. I was in 90210. I will be fine. I am Kyle Reese's brother. that makes me awesome.
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that's the real talback.
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this whole fucking site. Embargo my fucking ass! post your review. Last time I checked you own this site Harry. Quit being a bitch and post that shit.
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youre such a sell out harry. go suck blue cock.
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"Monday saw him delivering a tough and very emotional performance that he nailed not once, not twice, but five times, every one as strong as the one before. After the fifth take, I glanced over at Exec. Producer Rob Cooper who was looking back at me with a knowing smile, well aware of exactly what I was going to say: “He‘s great!” A wide-eyed Exec. Producer Carl, sitting to my left, concurred with an enthusiastic nod. I predict a long and successful career ahead of him.
One of the things that first struck me about Brian was (and continues to be) his genuine enthusiasm for his work. On the day of his costume fitting, he swung by the writers’ room for a quick chat. We pitched him out a little more of his character backstory in addition to some of the little surprises we had in store for Lieutenant Scott. Well, his eyes lit up as if we’d just presented him with the keys to a brand new sports car. Much along the same lines - whenever he’s on set, you’ll be hardpressed to find him without a smile on his face." -
at least the actors care about the show while lost actors claim to not even watch LOST because they dont understand whats going on.
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"...is the line "Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends." spoken by Doc Manhattan near the end?!?"
As someone's already pointed out, Laurie says it. But if it's any consolation, she says "I know that Jon would say 'nothing ever ends' but I something something..." or something along those lines, so it's sort of attributed to Jon. Kind of.
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