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AICN EXCLUSIVE!! The Next Five Pages Of The STAR TREK Prequel/Sequel COUNTDOWN!! Plus Herc’s Read Issue Two!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
New clues regarding J.J. Abrams’s new “Star Trek” movie continue to emerge with the publication of Star Trek: Countdown,
an IDW funnybook (billed as an official prequel to the Abrams movie) which swells my withered Trekkie heart.
Spoilers ahead.
Highly nuanced, fast-moving and continuity-embracing, “Countdown” is a fabulous read scripted by two guys named Mike Johnson & Tim Jones from a story by “Trek” screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. (Italian David Messina is the artist, and proves adept at capturing a very old Leonard Nimoy and very hot young Romulan women; I encourage Trekkies and Trekkers of all stripes to seek this publication out.)
A bullet-point recap of issue one (if you've already read it, feel free to skip all the black text):
* The tale is set decades after the events of “Star Trek: Nemesis.”
* A white-haired Spock is still living on Romulus, his home for the last four decades.
* Thanks in part to Spock’s efforts, there is now a far kinder, gentler Romulus than we remember. “Curiosity, tolerance and diplomacy ceased to be forbidden words in the empire,” notes Spock.
* Spock is no longer a covert operative. For five years he has served openly as the Federation’s ambassador to the empire. We learn that Vulcan, too, has established an embassy on Romulus, headed by an unseen fellow named Sular.
* In the comic Spock is something of a Jor-El figure, determined to avert a unprecedented natural disaster that threatens to obliterate Romulus and its entire star empire. Spock implores the Romulan senate to seek out the more technically advanced Vulcans; combining Romulan and Vulcan resources, Spock believes, can prevent horrifying cataclysm if they act quickly. But the old-guard Romulan leaders remain suspicious of Spock and the Vulcans, and stall a remedy.
* Having had a first-hand encounter with the deadly galaxy-gobbling anomaly, the Romulan Nero (long presumed to be the movie’s villain) is depicted in the comic as Spock’s staunchest ally. He is not a soldier but a selfless and heroic spacefaring miner and guild leader, a caring family man who finds himself risking everything to save his home, wife and unborn son. He is not a Nero content to fiddle as Romulus burns, and his face does not yet bear frightening tattoos.
* Remans, first introduced in the terrible “Nemesis” six years ago, appear late in the first issue, and I am encouraged by Kurtzman & Orci’s willingness to embrace elements from even the most disreputable corners of the sprawling Trek franchise. The final page of the first issue sees the arrival of the decades-beyond-“Nemesis” version of U.S.S. Enterprise, commanded by Captain Data, who comes to Spock and Nero’s rescue.
It's not much of a leap to speculate that things go very badly with the galaxy-eater. Nero’s family and world, one imagines, will be wiped from existence and Nero will be compelled to travel back in time, to an era just before Jim Kirk’s birth, to set things right.
And, of course, one can gather that Nero's attack on a ship carrying Jim Kirk's pop sets off a mammoth butterfly effect. Which is why, in the trailers, Chris Pike’s Earth-built Enterprise looks like the Enterprise-F and Chekhov now outranks Kirk.
The cover and first five pages of issue two:
On page seven of issue two, Nero will gaze upon the visage of another key figure of the Kirk-Spock era.
On page 10 Spock points out he hasn’t seen Data since the android’s demise in “Nemesis.”
On page 16 we learn that Data is not the only “Next Generation” icon to have survived into this “Next Next Generation” era.
(One wonders how much of this backstory, in any, will be referenced in the movie.)
Odd that this promotional tie-in funnybook fills me so with so much confidence for the movie, but dang me if it doesn't. J.J. Abrams says he was not a “Trek” fan before coming aboard the project, and I was frankly concerned that his overaching desire to bring “Trek” to a wider audience might supercede any reverence his Trekkier collaborators might have brought to the table. Subsequent to reading these first two issues of “Countdown,” I find myself far less troubled. Say what you will about the failings of the studio-hammered “Transformers” script; I feel now that the Kurtzman-Orci team supplies geekitude sufficient enough to keep the new movie honest.
Issue two of “Star Trek: Countdown” goes on sale Tuesday. Buy it.
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...Didn't Data die in StarTrek Nemesis? Or is it the inferior B$that's assumed Data's identity?
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Can't wait.
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That should have been B4, not B$
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not to poo poo on anyone's parade, but those pages were posted Friday over at trekmovie.com.
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Like old school Next Generation. I'll have to check it out.
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Posted this in the previous trek thread but better in here as it deals wiv COMICS..Type 'RyallTime' into google…then click on his blogspot…then type Khan in his search…then you’ll see the TWOK artwork for the comic and details...coming this summer in 3 issues. This is BIG news for ST comic fans....Khan was the only original trek film not to get the comic adaptation treatment...neither did Insurrection & Nemesis but WGAF right?.... hopefully they will expand on the film - e.g. showing Khan take the Reliant and showing the Genesis team getting tortured like in the novel. Altogether now KHHHHHAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Something about this smacks of Lucas' latter attempts to pad out the woefully neglected backstory of the universe for the Star Wars prequels; That is to say, The Star Wars prequels, totalling nearly eight hours of screen time, somehow didn't manage to convey much of the cross-referencing connection we needed to the Classic Trilogy, certainly nowhere near as much as we got out of various LucasArts computer games and other non-movie materials such as books and comics, most of which successfully put the nostalgic hairs up on the neck of every Star Wars fan. The prequels utterly failed to do this, at every opportunity. So many wasted chances.
So having said this, this all might all be just a way to posthumously tie the new Star Trek in with the previous series'. It doesn't mean the new movie will reference anything from any of the previous shows. In fact it probably doesn't at all, and this graphic novel has probably been a hastily developed afterthought, to please the hardcore fans. -
http://ryalltime.blogspot.com/search?q=khan
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That this movie will bomb
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and you all know it. HUGE disappointment awaits.
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Gene Roddenberry, D.C. Fontana, Gene L. Coon, John D.F. Black, David Gerrold, Samuel A. Peeples, Jerone Bixby, Theodore Sturgeon,Robert Bloch & John Meredyth Lucas > Roberto Orci & Alex Kurtzman, and nothing in that comic book series changes the fact that the less-thans are rewriting and making prospectively irrelevent the work of the greater-thans.
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http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryRoom.asp?GSub=37499....(if link no work, google 'comicartfans' then search 'star trek aliens' on main page)
Nice art work here - they should do a graphic novel - I mean they’ve done Alien vs....just about everything in comics (Predator, Terminator, Superman, Batman, Tarzan! Judge Dredd! etc etc etc) ............
In fact a Trek v Aliens comic would make a lot more sense than some (although it could be argued that First Contact was Star Trek v Aliens)...i think the only comic book character they havent had Aliens or Predator facing off against is Popeye ......
Aliens v Star Wars would be another good one...im thinking Solo and Chewie encountering them in some adventure set pre New Hope (like those 'what ifs' in the Star Wars Tales comics...like the cool one where Indy encounters the crashed Falcon in the jungle)....
those panels look awesome and im sure im not the only one whod love to see it turned into a full length graphic novel (even online would do like those panels)....
they could even work it into the star trek timeline and have it as the reason the enterprise needed a refit in The Motion Picture due to having nearly been destroyed by the aliens(no (no reason why Star trek and alien universe cant be one and the same...I think Alien/Aliens/A3 are set in the 22nd century..with Ressurecttion set 24th century...theres no reason there couldnt be Starfleet and Kirk and Picard and co in the Alien universe)......
i hope the guy who did them does more - maybe even doing a whole graphic novel -
I don't think western civilization has yet recovered frm "Star Trek Meets the X-Men" from about 10 years ago. Too soon, man, too soon.
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Cross-franchise hybrids are the death knell of any franchise.
Aliens vs The Wizard of Oz. In which Andy Serkis performs a CGI Jon Pertwee who plays "The Doctor" accompanied by his trusty sidekick Chewbacca on a galaxy-spanning quest in his time-travelling DeLorean Tardis to find the Wizard, whilst fighting off hordes of rabid xenomorphs. -
How the fuck can one not get excited by that??!!
Heres a brief outline of how an Aliens v Trek graphic novel could go:
On the last voyage of the 5 year mission the Ent comes across yet another M class planet...strangely uninhabited...beam down landing party (Kirk, Spock, A red shirt etc)..red shirt finds an alien eggs in a crashed ship (like Kane in Alien) - egg opens - chest burster attacks him - attaches to face...they bring him back up to the ship...Bones operates in sickbay...finds acid for blood etc - stabilises and leaves patient on own for a bit...alien breaks out...starts picking off the crew...creates more Aliens (like the way it was doing with Dallas and Brett in the Alien Directors Cut). Then Aliens run amok in the ship (like those panels show..and like the way the Borg did in First Contact)..lots of battles, deaths and horror etc...Spock consults the computer library and finds highly classified similar case in the 22nd century with Cargo ship and then again years later on planet LV426...then he and Bones start work on a special immunisation solution that will save the crew and the ship (im thinking a special radiation bio bomb that will kill all the aliens but wont harm the ship - crew to escape the bio blast in shuttles and escape pods)..however they need to capture and study an alien in order to make it work on them...they try to but before its finished aliens totally over run the ship and spock is captured Newt/Data style...in the end Kirk has no choice but to set the ship on self destruct and evacuate the remainder of the crew in shuttle crafts and escape pods (like FC)..however he stays behind to try and retrieve spock who has been taken to the hive in engineering and infected (but thanks to his vulcan physiology isn’t killed with the chestburster)...Im picturing Kirk, bloodied with his shirt shredded, armed with a phaser rifle and two hand phasers on his belt - finds spock breaks him out...spock reveals he can manage to complete the bio bomb with knowledge gained from his unique alien encounter (his mind melded with the chestburster before his vulcan body destroyed it)...they encounter alien queen...do battle and get away..Spock completes the bomb and Kirk stops the self destruct just in time..they go to the transporter room to beam on to a shuttle craft before bio bomb is detonated…but shock horror only enough power to beam one person!! - Kirk stuns spock before he can nerve pinch him and throws him on the transporter pad - beams him on to a shuttle….then kirk gets in environmental suit and heads to the shuttle bay to get off the ship blasting aliens on the way …gets to the shuttle bay - encounters the queen again - does battle…opens the shuttle doors - he and the queen are blown out into space …bio bomb detonates kills all the aliens...then the crew take back the ship…locate kirk in deep space…beam him back on the ship before his air runs out (Tholian web style) and head back to earth for repairs/refit (as seen in TMP). The End.
...........(so basically a lot like Alien 1 at the start with the crew exploring an uncharted planet and a crew member being infected and being brought back to the ship..then Aliens/First Contact mayhem..with an end that’s similar to both)
As you might have realised i included some typical TOS motifs in there to make it seem like a typical episode - e.g. red shirt death (every other episode), Spock and Bones being given the task of trying to solve the problem (as Kirk often put them both to work - Operation Annihilate, Immunity Syndrome, Deadly Years etc), Kirks ripped shirt (every other ep), Kirk going mano e mano with the main villain as the fate of his ship hangs in the balance (Court Martial, Arena, Space Seed, Doomsday Machine etc), spocks vulcan physiology saving his life (Operation Annihilate, The Apple), kirk nearly sacrificing himself at the end for his friends/ship (Obsession, Doomsday Machine, Star Trek V), spock saving kirk at the end (Tholian Web)
As well as putting in the typical Alien/s motifs and plot devices - obviously the way the aliens get aboard is similar to Alien...and the plot would be similar to Alien/Aliens (& First Contact) - resulting in the end finale with the lead character facing off against the Alien/alien queen and using the airlock to blast it out..
I know it could be argued that the aliens wouldn’t pose that much of a threat to the crew armed with phasers but the same could be said of the colonial marines with their M41-A Pulse Rifles....
im sure the aliens would pose quite a problem if they got on board the Enterprise
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Feb 22, 2009 4:45:41 PM CST
Agggrahh How the fuck does one create paragraphs on this damn th
by mr sulu
look at my Alien v Trek storyline!! it looks like fucking Rain Man wrote it!!!
NYAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!! FUCK!!
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I gtrew-up on Trek, obsessed with it, in fact, but this looks like a cheap throw away episode of the show, like many of the Star Trek movies. Star Trek needs a Manger redesign. Do a Star Trek one hundreds year past Star Trek: The Next Generation...and give the whole thing a new look. It is time to move on!!!
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Meaning I do care a bit. Because it annoys THE FUCK OUT OF ME WHEN I SEE STUPID FUCKING AMERICAN DIPSHITS MAKING THAT MISTAKE OVER AND OVER DESPITE THE FACT THAT ENGLISH SPEAKERS INTERNATIONALLY ARE CONSTANTLY CORRECTING YOU ON INTERNET FORUMS, YOU IGNORANT LOUDMOUTHED FUCKWADS.
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. . . seriously. Since this is official, they could at least done this in a novel instead of as a comic.
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I think they doing that for Terminator 4 - a 4 issue prequel comic series AND an offical novel by Timothy Zahn (the star wars guy)
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because americans need picture books.
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or did i make the whole sordid thing up?
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Data did die in "Nemesis", but his knuckleheaded twin did survive to hum a few bars of "Blue Skies", which assumes that Data lived on and eventually blossomed in his new body. Maybe the writers of the comic book went another way with the specifics, but that's the ending we were to intended to extrapolate at the end of "Nemesis".
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this EXACT write up... haven't I read it before, on this site, maybe a month or so ago... Am I right or am I losing it?
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You get to tell a story visually, and can provide more connection between the products, for one. But these days, it's become much more of a convention to do prequels or continuations of movies/tv in graphic form. There's already a ready-made marketing and distribution in place, and fans of genre stuff are already tuned into that world even if they don't normally buy comics. It's a smarter and more effective strategy than novels.
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You are correct sir! This was written before! I thought it was from trekmovie.com, but I think the above is the original write-up!
BTW, am I the only one who felt ripped off from watching MTV's Spoilers? Seriously...no new footage and that crap about "exclusive" Transformers footage? It reminded me of Robot Chicken! "Michael Bay Presents: EXPLOSIONS!"
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That's like a suckerpunch to the nuts.
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Type "" after every paragraph (minus the blanks). No hyperlinks, and it's recommended you use TinyURL.com to shorten your links, otherwise they get clipped down (unless you manually insert blanks).
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That Star Trek blu-ray at the end caught my eye. Is it the first three films? Any other info other than a May 12th release?
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I don't know if I'd encourage Trekkies and Trekkers to RUSH OUT and buy this prequel... for starters, Kurtzman and Orci may have written the story, but the scripting is provided by the equivalent of a couple of sixth-graders with dyslexia. The exchanges in the Romulan Senate from issue 1 were as cringeworthy as the worst fan fiction.
It might be worth picking these up to see if Kurtzman and Orci explain the time travel element and the changes in the timeline in the new movie. Otherwise, it's probably all fanservice (as evidenced by Data's involvement in the first place).
I'll also remind those who are excited about this film that in the hands of John Logan, a very capable writer for his time, ST: Nemesis spelled the end of the franchise as we knew it. This could very well be our "Superman Returns" as mentioned above... -
Looks like a pretty cool comic book. Except for the last panel, which has Spock swinging a Pon Far Time blade. That made no sense. Otherwise, good stuff. Not what I'd ever want to see in the movies, or become canon, but pretty cool in its own way.This movies will be better than Superman Returns. Pretty much no matter what is wrong with it. It'll be a good flick. Maybe not Wrath of Kahn, but probably the best Star Trek film since, given the series started flailing with Star Trek III.
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i agree - wouldnt expect it ever to be a movie..but a 4 part series of AvST comics would be awesome..like i said theyve had Aliens vs just about every other franchaise going so why not Trek? in fact Trek would make the most frickin sense!! (thanks to BurnHW if this p thing works)
and as for the new Trek film yes i too think it will be better than Superman Returns, my hopes were way too high for that film anyway what with being such a fan of the Reeve films (yes even III and IV) and nearly breaking down with tears of joy in the build up to the film every time i read a new piece of info like Brando as Jor El again, that photo showing the crystal starship, Williams music being used etc etc so i sorta got burned when i actually saw it (not too much..but a little)..thinking it was gonna be the second coming...with Trek im holding back till i see the movie...and avoiding too many spoliers so i can actually tell weather i liked it or not (with SR i read EVERYTHING beforehand including an early review from AICN which revealed absofuckinglutly every plot point going so when it came time to seeing the damn thing i felt like id already seen it and couldnt figure out if i liked the damn thing or not!!..eventually figured out i kinda did..but not really that much which was a major disappointment)
im hoping ST lands firmly in the great section of Trek films as lets face it, NOTHING will ever come close to Khan...(i.e. best to worst in order - Trek II = Classic....III, VIII, IV, VI = great....I, VII = ok....V, IX, X = bad)
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The Star Trek timeline has needed to be rebooted for a LOOONG time.
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Well since ths is only 40 years later, even Picard could syill be alive!
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it's Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock and Voyage Home. All six Kirk-Spock movies are coming out in Blu the same day. Click the cover.
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I wonder is this has anything to do with the "Anamoly" Kirk was dealing with when died? it would allow Time Travel plus perhaps bring Kirk back from the dead by altering something in the past. Also it would give a reason to have Shatner at the end of the movie which I still think is a Possible surprise at the end!
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Do these comics explain why he's the captain of the Enterprise when he was destroyed along with the Scimitar? Furthermore, that Enterprise in the comic looks like a Sovereign-class vessel. Is it the Enterprise-E? Just how many decades after Nemesis is this book supposed to take place?
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Data's return is explained. Spock indicates he's been on Romulus 40 years, so I'm guessing this takes place 30-35 years after "Nemesis"?
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Sure, they didn't provide an "exclusive" review of it, if that's what you call this article (e.g. "A certain somebody from Star Trek is IN this issue!"). Come on, guys, this isn't 1996 anymore- what's with the stunt headline?
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Unless that's Captain B4 we're talking about...
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Data's back by way of his memory resurfacing in his retard cousin, right?
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They put the Data's Head from the Data's Head episode onto something. Actually was that how it happened in the movie? It's stupid enough to be true.
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Data blew the fuck up with Shinzon's ship at the end of nemesis. But as Picard informs b-9, Data's identical retard prototype of this, b-9 starts singing a song data sang earlier. This is because Data tried duplicating all his memory into B-9 to see if would smarten him up, but it seems there's no such luck. Still, Picard seems silently hopeful Data's data will resurface and Data could yet live again in his retard cousin. And yeah, it was all a lame attempt to recreate the resonance of Spock's death with a similar clue to a possible resurrection. Looks like this comic has picked up on that option.
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is pure shit
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They hire fucking artists who can't fucking draw. Just fuck.
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i identify with the answer but that just isnt true. there have been some great books in the last 5 years. but idw licensed books all suck giant sweaty cock in the art department. SPEND MONEY ON THE ART YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES!
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if Paramount decides that the ST timeline is now all different and all the shit weve been watchign for 40 years DIDNT HAPPEN, there will be a reckoning.
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As you can see, there are no edit buttons here, and it is often times hard to read on computer monitors, so if you misspell something and fail to see it before sending it off, you cannot correct it after the fact...other than to send amendments...and that becomes a bit of a strain for the poster as well as other readers who often prefer you just leaving things the way they are. That said, we are just talking about a movie here, stop acting like it is about the end of the world. Save your words of hyperbole to talk about, and blast important things like racism, sexism, war...rape, domestic violence, greed and hate. PS: And you can get off the crack while you are at it.
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Feb 23, 2009 12:17:32 AM CST
I really hope that time-traveling Spock departs from the future
by zillabeast
A cameo by Brent Spiner would be off the chain. Bring it!!
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you don't even know what the error was that i was pulling you up on, do you? ..."I COULD CARE LESS"
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and it needs some Seven of Nine action too.
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after Data's personality/memories usurp B-4's body, he discovers that Soong had included plans for the body to age, thereby giving Data the whole human experience. Then they could've done another Next Gen movie without Spiner being concerned that it was odd for his real life aging to be apparent in the character. If they wanted a Data-like android in the future, they could've given Data a successful second go at creating a child.
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Ray, I've been to the States a good many times. Not everyone there is rich and well-educated. Your attempt at helping is surely appreciated by the American people, but your execution leaves much to be desired.Mr. Sulu - Make it so. I'd read it.I think it's fantastic that the studio is sinking bux into the geek-comunity. I like where they're taking it. Keep up the good work, boys! (Now, if only there was a comic store around here. Amazon it is. Again.)Isn't it funny that Singer said the next Supes would be all Wrath of Khan, when some fear that the upcoming ST could be as disappointing as Singer's SR? Hmmm...
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Sorry pal - I cant repost AvST with took up too much space as it is...try reading it though. I would so buy something like that though.
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This was posted on trekmovie.com last week lol
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You got me fired up about ST vs Aliens. And when I first noticed it, I chuckled. But after you detailed how you'd pull it off, I think now it would be a hell of a read, in my opinion. I could see it all in my head. Good stuff. Get to it!
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zillabeast you are in illiterate idiot.
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Eh? Anyone?
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where we got to see Picard in one last adventure. I know most fans fall for Kirk or Spock, but my favorite was always Captain Jean-Luc Picard. Patrick Stewart really brought an acting height that Star Trek has never seen since.
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all you TNG fans crying out for another movie as the TNG crew didnt get a proper send off...well if the last 10 minutes of NEM wrapping everything up in TNG wasnt a send off i dont know what is - ok it wasn t a great movie but the last 5-10 mins showed everyone going their seperate ways - Picard stays on the Ent with Bobby Kennedy as 1st officer (in the alternate ending), Data gone, Riker finally becomes Captain after all the teasing in the tv series and goes to the Titan with Troi (again finally married after all the will they wont they stuff in the tv show), Crusher goes to SF Medical, Ent E in TMP space dock as TMP spacedock theme plays (nice and circular - going right back to the 1st film
*side note* - Nemesis was also as much of a homage/rip off of Trek VI as it was Trek II - Looming peace with Romulans, Ship that can fire when cloaked, end battle with multiple ships
AND your about to get another send off (sort of) with Countdown - what looks to be a passing of the torch BACK to TOS - a nice reverse of Generations - oddly poetic…Shatner clumsily ‘passed the torch’ to TNG in GEN…..Nimoy passes it back to TOS in the new comic and movie.
(*side note* - actually if you think about it, was the passing of the torch really necessary in TNGs first film as Trek VI was quite sufficient in that respect - peace with the klingons plot foreshadowing the major theme of TNG, Cornel Worf, Kirks end log referencing TNG - ‘another crew’ & ‘where no one..has gone before..’ plus Nimoy appearing in the appropriately titled Unification - so a further passing of the torch movie wasn’t really required)
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You said it in your own rant: a *proper* send off is what TNG want. Yes, there was a "send off" in Nemesis, but it blew chunks. Hardly proper.
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Data went out of his way to make himself appear older in the last episode (Was it "All Good Things?") so there was many ways to go about it and he could probably find a way to age himself if he wanted. He probably wouldn't want Brent Spiner's extra weight though. :(
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to write over B4's programing. Even though the idea and the character sucked Data should probably consider it murder to wipe b4 out. Giving Data a new body and actor to play him would be equally fucked up. But stuff like that hasn been done before in Deep Space 9 with Dax.
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Feb 23, 2009 3:42:43 PM CST
honestly - I thought that Comic artwork was a fan made thing...
by halsolo
That is definitely not up to snuff for a legitimate comic book on a major franchise - FUGLY.
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Yeah, IDW rarely gets an interior artist that's much good (Messina's own art marred the early Angel mini-series, which were pretty mediocre to begin with). The only publisher that's worse with art is Bluewater.
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That is all.
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Oh, yeah -- the skunk stripe in his hair.
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...and that John Romita might as well be? The artwork in this prequel is a huge stinker. Like the story and the concept. Yeesh. Studio Ironcat had better artwork, and that was AFTER they got a boatload of money embezzeled from them by some Japanese dude.
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Rufferto,
Data was likely not concious or aware of B4's pathways being overwritten at the time.
Someone else made that choice.
Also, it is possible that B4 had malfunctioned in some way, making it possible that he would no longer be viable.
In that case, overwriting B4's faulty, unfixable pathways to bring Data back might not have the moral issues you allude to.
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That's why Picard is still alive and the Enterprise E is up and running. Spock was living on Romulus for awhile pre-Unification TNG two-parter - then it's 11 years from Unification to Nemesis - and then another 10 years, give or take, from Nemesis to Countdown.
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