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Something happens in this clip from WATCHMEN that will make you scream, 'FUCKING COOL!!!'
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Hey folks, Harry here... I can't stop looking at every little glimpse of this movie. But the following clip has one of the coolest sound effect mixed with an action that I've seen in a really long time. I'm dying to see this scene with an audience and I hope it has the impact it had on me here at the house when I saw it. NOW - I am going to warn you. This has a MASSIVELY COOL MOMENT that you MAY WANT TO SAVE FOR THE BIG SCREEN! Though... if you can't help yourself... here you go, I really really am quite fond of this clip:
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I am loving this footage lately.
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How cool is this? It not just has ONE moment of slow motion, it has lots of them! So that it will annoy the shit out of you after 5 minutes into the film! Stuff like this is why directors of videoclips and commercials have such a bad reputation. (And most of the time they deserve it.)
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... I can't watch any of these goddamn clips because I'm in Canada. Can't watch this, can't watch the Transformer thing that was posted earlier. I don't fucking get it.
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i know, slo mo, yadda yadda yadda. Whatever, I'm there.
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because, honestly, I'm not sure if that was being referenced. I thought the sound effect that went with that was very strange and cheesy. though the visual is badass.
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that scene from Oldboy for some reason. Where you see someone just carve their way through a crowd of people like a hot knife through butter.
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Look, it's a little annoying, we know, so shut up. I'm more annoyed that the music sounds like a wrestler's entrance BG music. It's terrible. Every clip I've seen I've been 50/50 on and it worries me. The trailer had me sold that they could make it but these clips seem out of whack. Here's hoping. Maybe I've hyped it too much for myself because I love the source.
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Can't wait to see the other 149 minutes.
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The part where the owl guy punched that guy or the part where the spandex chick kicked the other guy?
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made me scream 'FUCKING LAME!!!'
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Feb 22, 2009 2:27:24 AM CST
At the risk of sounding like a typical douchebag...
by the-duke-of-new-york
That scene was shit. It's not a "Watchmen is so important that its adaptation shouldn't have extra. action scenes" kind of shit, either. In any movie, that action scene would be underwhelming and gimmicky.
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Feb 22, 2009 2:28:59 AM CST
Has Zack Snyder been giving Harry blow jobs or something?
by juansanchez
Oh, wait - Harry has long liked crap. So, the guy who loved Van Helsing thinks Watchmen is gonna be cool. That ought to guarantee it about two stars.
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"FUCKING COOL!!!". Is that the official "hip" geeky-cool bellow? Sounds like something only a cartoon parody of a geek would scream. Enough with this psycho geek out over every new split second glimpse of Watchmen. I'd normally follow that up with "Let's just see this damn thing already" - but I'm not gonna quadruple dip for this thing. I'll wait for the ultimate deluxe uncut director's limited collector's edition blue ray. Who blew Ray?
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With the Batman movies, including the Chris Nolan films, you can't tell who's hitting who??? The fight choreography is horrible in the Batman films during the fights...where we see Batman in action--however, The Watchmen prison riot scene is clearly, and cleanly, choreographed, and shot...my problem with it is that these may be well trained people, our two heroes, but they have no super powers...and it really stretches believability, the fact that they took on so many attackers without weapons??? Come now??? The director should have given them some weaponry here, as well as allowed them to take some unexpected hits...really bad hits. Failing to do that makes this scene look like The Matrix, where the heroes, in essence, did have super powers, through pre-programmed imprinting, and their willingness to believe in the possibility of bending the computer reality through that process. Here, however, the Watchmen are living in the real world, with no super powers...and only two of them, in awkward costumes, are needed to take-out about 18 prisoners with no problem, just with kicks and punches??? That is just silly, and even more silly than the costumes.
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for the rest of the world to click on these clips, watch their ad and then get nothing afterwards? Just like the MTV Star Trek featurette in another thread IT DOESNT FXXKING WORK! Gahh
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just sayin'.
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Looks like Nite Owl and Silk Spectre haven't lost a step! If they're kicking this much ass in their mid 30s (Well Spectre is like 25 in this scene, right?), just imagine how devastating they were when they were members of the world's ass kickingest super team -- THE WATCHMEN! This movie looks SO good, and the best part is just how faithful the filmmakers are being toward the source material. I'm beyond excited. We're in for a treat fellas!
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OH JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ZACK SNYDER HAS NO CREDIBILITY AS A DIRECTOR FOR UTILIZING A FILMMAKING TECHNIQUE IN USE FOR OVER A CENTURY. Snyder has plenty of faults but for fuck's sake let a man use some overcranking without shitting down his throat. People just comb for excuses around here.
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Ok, that was interesting. Like an old school martian movie thing. The music on the other hand & the high pitched noise while they were fighting were AWFUL! & why did it feel like watching nipple Batman crossed with the Matrix? Not a good omen.
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All you have to do is cross the border...or marry an American...and you can watch all the clips you want. But believe me, it's all hype about this clip, it won't make you scream...and you didn't miss anything. If you have seen the slow motion fights in The Matrix...then you already saw this clip?
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BAD ASS!!
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What am I listening for? I feel like I missed something.
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Best part was Nite Owl grinning at the beginning, he looks dorky/awesome at the same time.
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Silk Spectre and Nite Owl are Dennis Quaid and Rene Russo, for God's sake!
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But this time he is right fucking on. The problem with this scene is that the Watchmen comic was always presented as "realistic"; you don't see many scenes of our heroes kicking a bunch of people’s asses and taking on a whole army like they were Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon. Why? Because it is fake as hell! In the comic Silk Spectre and Nite Owl beat the shit of a small gang of street punks, but mostly do to the fact those are only young kids and that the two of them are dressed in their civilian identities, letting them take them by surprise. They are assaulting a maximum-security prison full of hardcore violent cons! Watch Lockup on MSNBC if you want kind of guys is in there! Yeah, and I know it is only a movie. A movie based on a comic that tried to make superheroes seem believable and realistic by having them not do this kind of cheesy stuff. At least when Rorschach deals with the prison inmates, he has to use his wits and outthink them, instead of fighting them all at once. Overall opinion: movie may be good, but these scene does not fill me with confidence.
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I've been pretty excited about the movie, but this clip just rubs me the wrong way... BTW I much prefer The Dark Knight's style of fight scenes in comparison to this. REAL fights are brutal, dirty, quick, and usually disorienting to the observer. And even more disorienting from the victim's point of view if a guy in a bat suit jumps out of the shadows and beats their ass into a pulp. RARELY are they "cleanly choreographed" with slow motion for the spectators consideration.
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Dave Gibbons and Alan Moore didn't use a lot of flashy panels or Steranko or Kirby-esque poses, nor did they try to heighten the action by having the characters do amazing backflips, bounce off walls ala Daredevil or do 360 roundhouse kicks to the face of thugs. Look at the comic again - the characters are pretty much grounded in doing straightforward kicks and punches against one or two opponents. The characters fighting styles are pretty plain and boring, and none of them looked like Batman or Shang-Chi (with the obvious exception of Ozy, who is obviously a very comic bookish fighter). Gibbons and Moore were trying to make it believable by using a REALISTIC approach. Slo-Mo is an expressionist and surrealistic tool, which takes us away from the idea of superheroes being real and the desired realism of the comic. The fights should have been more like Leo fighting the two Mafioso in the Departed or maybe Daniel Craig in Casino Royale and not Charlie’s Angels. If this had been a clip of Ozy fighting, I would have said fine, but this is a clip of Silk Spectre and Nite Owl, two characters who admit they never felt comfortable as crime-fighters. Plus it takes away from one of the concepts of the comic, that they superheroes are not that extraordinary after all and are pretty much people fighting crime for personal reasons instead of doing it because they are competent crime-fighters or extraordinarily gifted.
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Feb 22, 2009 2:58:04 AM CST
this silk spectre is actually 35, and niteowl is like, 42 or so.
by warcraft
the actors are too young looking, but work.
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But I am too in love with Malin Akerman to care- so I guess everything evens out, everything balances.
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I thought I had a fuckin phone call that entire time. N
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the actress is good at comic book type posses.
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Feb 22, 2009 3:03:32 AM CST
I'm not saying TDK's fight scenes were disorienting
by cannabis holocaust
but they were believable and energetic in line with the situations and his methods of fighting in a real-world environment.
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Not CGI-ed up crap like a Wolverine fight, and not overedited shaky crap like a Batman fight.
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What kind of score will that be? If that's really the soundtrack it will be a disturbing factor in the movie. For me it might end in hating the whole film because the soundtrack is really important to me.
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I don't know how else to put it, it just looks silly.
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Yikes! You got me worked up for nothing. I was expecting Akerman or Gugino nudity.
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That looks like the nail in the coffin for me. It looks like The bloody Matrix - no style of its own, that awful fast-slow-fast motion thing he's already done to death, and they're both just indestructible - the concept that's embedded in the book is that they're a bit crap, a bit rusty after all the time away. It doesn't tally thematically at all. I'd much rather have seen Paul Greengrass' version - at least he would have had something to add to the source material in terms of some kind of personal vision, rather than just lifting panels directly and adding some dodgy '90s action in between. But, you know, its ok because its violent and has 'cool' bits. Sheesh. What a wasted opportunity.
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pop up banner video at the bottom of their flv's? WTF? Though I'm not surprised.
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this movie will be huge - amazing - everyone bashing it needs to read or re-read the comic its based on - this will be this years TDK - and, dare i say it, it might surpass it
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Feb 22, 2009 3:24:25 AM CST
Of course, looking like cliched crap could be the intention here
by cannabis holocaust
I've heard notions that the Watchmen movie will be a deconstruction of comic-based films just as the graphic novel was to comics.
However by the look of things, Joel Schumacher seems to be the main target.
Plenty of other comic-based film cliches are ripe for subtle deconstruction, which is fine as long as they remember not to be overly negative towards the subject or solely concentrate on the crap aspects of superhero films.
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But I actually really dug the fight scenes in The Dark Knight, I didn't find them disorienting at all, and if they were using shakycam/quick cuts like the first film I didn't really notice, I wonder if the difference might have been seeing it in IMAX? As for this clip, what's with the beginning sequence with Archimedes flying in? It looks a little video gamish, I thought this film was going more real world but that part looked a bit stylized to me. Oh, and what's the apparently cool sound effect and the massively cool moment? I won't say I didn't dig it cause it was kinda neat, but there's nothing here that looked terribly special to me, one of those action sequences that is neat to look at but not super involving since you never have any kind of tangible feeling that there will be any consequences to the violence. This is kind of what I worry the American version of Oldboy's amazing fight sequence will end up looking like.
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No? Then what the hell is so cool about this?!? WTF?!?!?
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still probably ok. i expect Zach will keep it close to the comic. but lets face it, not all comics make great movies.
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I think that clip is bad ass and even like the techno music and sound effects. The music might also represent the "screechers" on Night Owl's ship (he used them during the prison break).
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a single comic is like one chapter to a longer story - that story being like a novel - the term "graphic novel" is popular because people that think reading comics is geeky dont like to use the term comic book - this started in the mid-late 80s with miller and his batman stuff - i had friends then that never read a comic but strategically kept a copy of miller's dark knight trade paperback on their coffee tables - they usually didnt know jack about batman - a single comic with a story that ends on its last page is a "one-shot" - theres nothing more beautiful, story and art wise, than a great one-shot imo
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A martial arts fight - in a movie.
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.. and move down right before he ZIPS out from below. And the music is sorta bad, but still invokes Escape From New York via numetal. Not a good combination, but maybe could have been better if it had a more 80s vibe. Considering.
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I just read you're followup post, looks like I misunderstood you when I replied about TDK.
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I pray to Zues that this entire movie isn't shot like that scene was. Compare that fight scene to what we've seen so far in TF2 ROTF. No competition. Michael Bay > Zack Snyder.
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snyder decided to do his take on batman and robin with this scene....BUT WHY?? we already got the dig on batman and robin with nite owl's and ozi's suits what was great about watchmen, is lost in this scene...i dont get it
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I feel embarassed just by watching this crap. Owlguy and a psnadex girl...Only fat geeks find this cool.
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when you dont know what the fuck you are talking about it was eisner who coined the term "graphic novel", and in fact, comics were calling themselves novels way back in the 40s but it was eisner, who felt that calling something like "a contract with god" just a comic didnt fit, as it was longer and had more depth, then your avg comic book and the comic companies didnt start calling every collected issue graphic novels...they called them trade paperbacks, or just collected issues its hollywood who has decided to label almost everything the graphic novel, because it is hollywood that still spits on the comic book industry
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Feb 22, 2009 4:04:58 AM CST
Jimmy Redsky, this movie is rated R, won't touch the TDK
by ganymede3010
This movie will be about 3 to 400 million tops. Even if it was PG-13 it still wouldn't touch the TDK's ticket sales.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng5M8cVdwgs
And if Harry doesn't replace the link in the original post (the one that doesn't fucking work) with the link I have generously provided above he's a fucking drooling moron. -
U guys do not know what you are talking about. Watchmen is hardly known anybody but the geeks. The masses are not interested in it. A movie makes 3-400 mill. when u can catch the attention of the masses. Only Batman and Spider-Man can do it u lame stupid geeks!
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and where was the cool part again? if you're talking about Nite Owl kicking that prisoner it's already being seen in the first and 2nd trailer as well as every TV spot.
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Thats what the music reminds me of. And the sound effects too. Its like a Super Nintendo side scrolling beat em up...
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It reminded me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvkhYcTEwRE
and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhGrA0KwkVg
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I swear, every movie, 99% actual- time footage. Bah.
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Everyone go to TFW2005 they have the video posted on their home page. OMFG, it's total BAYHEM!
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Lame!
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The cracks are beginning to show for me. I'll be the first to say that a bunch of disassociated clips should not be the yardstick by which we measure a film. We have to wait for the full vision to play out before we can fairly assess the parts that make up the whole. That said, I think I've now officially been over-exposed to this adaptation. I have less enthusiasm for this film as I did when I saw the teaser before Dark Knight. Re-acquainting myself with the source material has also brought to light some concerns about the choices made in the film version. Good Lordy! It pains me to say, but the die-hard Watchmen purists may be headed in the right direction on this one: I'm officially on the fence now.
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Nite Owl works better than Silk Spectre. When she rolls on the roof and just crouchs there with this ridiculous static arms behind pose as the camera pans upwards...just lame and she does it again in the fight, just crouches in a ball on the floor for no reason whilst he runs past and does his flying kick. Then proceeds to knock out hardening inmates with one punch apiece. Karate chop!! People have made comparisons to Oldboy. No way. With Oldboy he was fighting in a narrow corridor, took a load of punishment and usually had to place several hits before an opponent went down. Stylised wank; they are oldfashioned superheroes not posey ninja.
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even if they used longer cuts and wider angles to fully take in the action. I was watching some behind the scenes footage on the Begins DVD of Bale's stuntman rehearsing the Keysi fighting sequences for the film; it was very coherent, fluid, and still really rough looking (headbutting, using enemy's rifle as a club, kicks to the head).
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can someone post a version that works in the uk? Its crap being here whenever the cool stuff originates there.
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the watchmen comic was realistic and intellectual. that was why it was so different from a lot of the other comics at the time. this movie looks retarded.
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because MTV's bullfucking useless media player isn't working for me
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Feb 22, 2009 4:37:30 AM CST
Maybe the film should have been directed by the editor...
by jackpumpkinhead
...of the teaser. The one edited perfectly to that spooky song from "Batman & Robin". That teaser impressed me, attracted me, made me interested in "Watchmen" - the comic book and the movie - for the first time. And there it ended, as every clip released since then makes it look like nothing more than a laughable "The Dark 300trix", only with painful nu-metal guitars thrown in. Too bad. Maybe, for some reason, all those promotional clips are selected from the worst parts of the film and the rest is flawless... but maybe not.
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and the amazing teaser for 300 as well. The guy got his start doing music videos, it would only seem appropriate. Actually if there is one thing that could universally be said about him that's positive, I think it would be that he has a good knack of finding unconventional popular music to perfectly fit his movies: "Man Comes Around" for Dawn of the Dead opening, "Just Like You Imagined" for 300 teaser, "The End is the Beginning is the End", "Take a Bow", "Prophpacies", and "Pruit Igoe" for Watchmen trailers...
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i dont agree that the fights should be more realistic. there needs to be a reason that these people could be superheroes in the 'real' world. And they've already changed the medium of the story (from comic to film) so different focuses become important. (An action fight scene in the comic can be a few panels, but in film, why not have fun?)
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the corny poses, corny costumes, corny fights...this movie, good or bad would do amazing to break 100 mil. i think comic movies are overdue for a downturn. anyone who isn't a comic geek will take one look at this stuff, and remember why comics were considered nerdy in the first place.
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DID U FUCKS LEARN NOTHING FROM THE CHAPELLE SHOW
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng5M8cVdwgs for ridiculous SS posing.
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An action sequence is supposed to excite you, not bore you to death. And blindambition238 is spot on about the fight sequences in BB/TDK, they really needed to be shot wider and held on longer. Really confusing.
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No tension or emotional involvement. Acting bordering on LOL levels of bad. Over-use of slo-mo etc. Not exactly reeling back in surprise.
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Very average... and I just pulled out my copy of the book... that whole scene basically does not occur. That scene has made me LESS interested in the whole project.
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... but where's the 'genius' stuff we keep hearing about this movie? One lame fight beating up some red necks or whatever in a jail breakout... meh. Haven't we seen this before, back in the 60's with Adam West? Honestly, superhero movies are so last century and they will be the death of Hollywood. Just you watch.
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MTV needs to die. They hate everyone thats not American!
BUT THEIR FUCKING ADVERTS WORK!!!!!!
Also, why the fuck is everyone moaning about Slo Mo!!!
I HATE the Bourne Identity films because you can't tell who is hitting who, but this was nice and clear.
And while I am ranting, who cares if the scene is unrealistic or not, IT'S A FUCKING FILM WIH A BIG BLUE MAN WHO GOES TO MARS TO JERK OFF IN PEACE!!
If you want the most faithful recreation of the graphic novel, READ THE FUCKING GRAPHIC NOVEL!!!
Last, if you ARE outside of the Americas, download HOTSPOT SHIELD and it will generate a RANDOM IP!!!
Yours truely
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It been a long time since I read the comics, but wasn't Nite Owl sort of am impotent, fat slob of a hero who passively let everything in the story unfold around him without really doing much?
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Watchmen will OWN Unlgoadious Basotouazzzeerds !
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It's just not Watchmen. If they used this in, say, Justice League, for Green Arrow and Black Canary it'd be great because they've kept fit and active. Here, no - these guys have shied away from superheroics for years. They're not in shape, they're not in the right state of mind.
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HAHAHAHAHAH WATCHMEEEEENNNNNN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Because they don't have all these cheesy choreographed fight scenes. You can see everything going on sure but all you see are a bunch of lame extras running and pretending to be hit whilst the heroes hit each one of them with perfect precision. Say what you will about the Batman films but the fight scenes feel raw and messy like real fights. Batman doesn't have time for a choreographer.
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Install Hotspot Shield http://tinyurl.com/w7dhf it limits the connection to 2mb/s but thats enough to watch 2min trailers & featurettes, it also allows you to listen to region locked radio stations like Pandora.
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Sir, either you're genuinely retarded or the most obvious PLANT I've ever seen.
The clip was ok. I love how everyone is instantly hating on this movie all of a sudden. Still wish Gilliam would have gotten to make his version but we all know that would have been... wierd. -
While I agree with you that comic books do not have to be 100% faithful to the source material (just ask me about Wolverine), I still have to ask if you are not going to stay true to the spirit of this comic book - the idea of believable, "realistic" superheroes - why make the movie at all?
One of Moore themes was that if super-heroes did exist, that wouldn't really be that amazing. Which is why he only had one guy with actual powers (and his powers completely separate him from the rest of humanity) and one guy who actually has gifts and talents that could make him a superhero (but because of his genius he realizes that fighting crime in a costume is pointless and ridiculous). Everyone else is just playing superhero, wearing the costumes and fighting crime because of ego or psychosis, or both. If Zack just wanted to make a straight up superhero with some sex and violence, why not just get the characters that inspired the Watchmen, the Charlton's characters (Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Peter Cannon, the Question, etc) and do a movie with them. At least that way you wouldn't be pretending you are making a Watchmen movie. -
..meh.
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Based on seeing that on youtube it was obvious the sound effects were slightly out of sync. Once they're right when we see this in two weeks - well that scene seemed fine to me.
They're regular people dressed up fighting in slo-mo - not CG'd heroes with superpowers. What were some of you expecting?
Moriarty has seen this movie twice now - no way Harry hasn't. No frickin way! He knows its badass.
As for some of the guys on here saying the reviews have been bad - actually a couple of Jeffrey Wells 'take the ship down' sources have made an effort; but the general conscensus points to it delivering the goods for those familiar with the material
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that was SICK! Costumed avengers beating some ass with smiles to hand around!
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Feb 22, 2009 6:14:16 AM CST
A real adaptation of Watchmen would've ripped off the shot from
by drturing
and made this fight brutal, exhausting, and with no cuts or slow motion. that would've taken BALLS and been visionary, to show people dressed up in costumes catching their breath while getting turned on beating the shit out of people. but malin akerman's pose will go down in my memory as probably the stupidest watchmen moment ever.
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I fully understand your view on this, but as someone who loved the GN, AND as a lover of cinema, I have to go with Zack on this one.
Zack had a choice to make, if he makes the film 100% faithful, it would bore 80% of the average Joe and not make any money.
But, if he could stay 'mainly' faithfull, make a few cosmetic changes here and there, then he has a better chance of making money.
There had to be a compromise somewhere, and his is the best.
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But where's the fucking Watchmen bit?
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I mean, seriously, that was just a typical Hollywood fight sequence, right out of a video game. In fact, I think it's easily the worst clip from this film that has yet been made available, and the first to give me pause about this film. The fighting was cheesy and as badly choreographed as this site is badly written.
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The more I dwell on it and the more I watch these clips, the bigger the feeling of *meh* becomes. I am going into the movie with an open mind, and I'll see it regardless of reviews, but I have had an intervention for my hype and it has been sent away to recoup and come back down. I like movies way more then comics (I owned like 10 comic books, mostly free ), but when I read the Watchmen I was stunned. I'm a late adapter, I'll admit it(read it last summer) but it doesn't change the fact that it's a great read. Hopefully the flick is a valiant effort and not abysmal and forgetful as most films of the genre.
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anybody, anybody??? Bee-uuu-leerr???
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But only if you're in the USA these days.
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Feb 22, 2009 6:53:11 AM CST
Alan Moore Just Committed Suicide So He Could Roll Over In His G
by bald evil
But I'm still gonna go see the movie. What was I supposed to yell was fucking cool, though?
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I fail at post titles. :/ I apologize to the world.
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i posted how to watch region locked videos a few posts up.
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and "Pow!", "Wham!", "Bang!". And believe it or not, I don't mean that in a negative way. Look, I've given up on this movie being the defining moment of my life as a comic-2-film enthusiast and decided to wait till next week and go into the theater with an open mind. You're all welcome to continue the "This will suck" Tabernacle now in it tenth year of existence on this site. And MALIN ACKERMAN HAS A NICE ASS!!! SO THERE!!!...so..uh..yeah, we're screwed but I've got bigger things to deal with in my life than being disappointed by a Watchmen adaptation.
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Ain't it fool news....maybe...
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I still can't wait to see this movie. I'm more stoked about it than I have anything else in a long, long time. That said, I am disappointed to see our heroes just wade through eleventy-two people without breaking a sweat. They are costumed heroes, after all. Not superheroes. And the whole scene just doesn't allow for proper suspension of disbelief, especially if you know these characters already. (Though strangely, I'm perfectly fine with a flying owl ship, heh) Oh well. I'm still stoked. Though I need to stop watching all these assorted clips floating around the web. I feel like I've seen half the movie already. :(
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so I can be raped by your ads but I can't watch a clip of a shit film? Well fuck you Harry, and fuck America
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they're disorienting to the participants. It's pretty easy to tell what the fuck is going on if you aren't getting punched in the face. Which is why we have the sport of boxing...
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Its alright..I prefer she fight naked
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That's exactly what I was coming on here to say.. I love the action choreography in this clip, and if the rest of the movie is as well staged, I'll be happy. I like the music and how it fits in with the scene. Very unique.
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Feb 22, 2009 7:20:07 AM CST
Youtube Version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng5M8cVdwgs
by monkeylord
The sound is slightly out of sync, but hopefully those outside the U.S. can see it. Be sure to click on the "watch in high quality" link to the lower right.
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i hope they didn't force to much of these un-rhytmic, lame fighting sequences into it.
i'm still convinced that it's impossible to make a bad movie out of watchmen.
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I seen better choreography in Beverly Hills Ninja
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...The clip or Harry, but I just genuinely don't know what the uber cool moment was supposed to be...
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was that there were prisoners just sitting in their cells watching the whole thing. They weren't involved in the fight or riot at all.
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Give me a break.
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What Snyder says he was trying to accomplish: staying "true" to _Watchmen_. I know that in a movie you have to change stuff. I've no problems with dumping the squid, even. The squid works in the book because it's just one of many things where the authors are winking at you. Probably wouldn't work for a movie. But this slow motion action that goes on and on JUST LIKE IN 300 is not _Watchmen_. We've got this minute and 39 second find scene and 1 minute 20 seconds of it is in slow motion. 1 minute and 20 seconds is a long time. _Watchmen_ is so dense, and layered, many of the chracters so complex, that I can't help thinking: You know, why not use that 1 minute and 20 seconds for something ELSE? The movie's already going to be impossibly long. You're telling me you couldn't use that slow motion minute and 20 seconds for something else? You couldn't communicate that Laurie and Dan arrive, and start beating up inmates while they make their way to Rorshach quicker? Why extend a meaningless moment? Yes, I know the two of them get hot and turned on by this (though not in this scene, in the book). That's communicated in the look they share. Again, 20 seconds you could do this in. Less, even. This treatment of violence--which is always brief and ugly and scary in _Watchmen_, not epic or beautiful as in _300_, makes NO SENSE--pragmatically or thematically.
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flies out of DeNiro's mouth followed by a a stream of black blood. Oh, wait a minute, that was Raging Bull. Never mind.
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Either way you can suck my dick. Also, as for this making 3-400 million, while I doubt it, a lot of people doubted Dark Knight would get over 300. So far I'm looking forward to this, and think it looks pretty okay, and this is coming from someone who thought the comic book was pretty fucking crap.
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Not super cool but it was pretty good.
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"It been a long time since I read the comics, but wasn't Nite Owl sort of am impotent, fat slob of a hero who passively let everything in the story unfold around him without really doing much?
He has a level of badassery in this clip that I just don't remember from the series."
I totally agree. Actually, two "regular" people playing masked avengers kicking the collective asses of hardened criminals in an entire cell block? This bugged me in the graphic novel - perhaps Snyder's Nite Owl is approached differently...? -
FUCK YOU ALL FOR POSTING UP ADIDAS ADVERTS FOR ALL THE NON-AMERICAN READERS. AND FUCK YOU ALL FOR NEGLECTING TO COVER A WHOLE BUNCH OF MOVIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUT RIGHT NOW THAT YOUR 'FRIENDS' AREN'T CONNECTED WITH.
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Come on! I am a german long time reader of AICN. I am here since almost the beginning of this site, but always avoided the talkbacks for obvious reasons. I can't stand the whining just for self-importance and arrogance. As if anyone here could do it better. Oh, you can? Then go out and make a fucking movie for yourself!
Two badasses are kicking the shit out of 16 professional stuntmen, but you are bitching about it?
This is very carefully choreographed, both team up brilliantly without just looking after the other, instead always knowing, what the other one is doing, but you're bitching about it?
You actually can see the moves and the actors faces (at least one of them)! You always know as a viewer, what is going on in this fight, but you are bitching about it?
The slow motion is not overdone, it is done just for the reason of fight continuity. Most of you have attacked Nolan for his fast cutted fight scenes and now some other dude is doing it completely reverse, but you are bitching about it?
And for the others of you, who are bitching about it being unrealistic:
First: These are supposed to be lifelong trained super heroes! It is a comic book movie, for gods sake!
Second: Just a quote from the LOTR-Making off: "In a normal battle situation nobody would do that." - "Well, this is the movies!"
Now, geeks, who said that?
And the "cool moment" is either the whole sequence or this fine little smile, both gave each other. They fucking enjoy this!
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This is a perfectly reasonable time to employ the oft-used effect called slo-mo. There are a number of panels where SS and NO pummel their way through the convicts.
Speaking as a student of film, while slo-mo does seem to be used excessively sometimes, I would argue that in this particular 1:39, Snyder does not overdo it. I detected two super cool sound cues, the first when Nite Owl glided down from the Owlship, and the second when he power takes down the last convict.
--El Gato, yeah they're both out of shape at the beginning of the novel, but by the end they have forced themselves with regular exercise and sex to become fit again. -
are they paying you to promote this movie here? watchmen is the no1 comic ever and aicn is the no1 geek site,well they must paying u a lot.
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No offence, but you may aswell shut up before everyone with half a brain decides to rip into you. You should try reading the comic book. Then you would know why the fans don't like this clip.
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as storyboards. The comic only shows Nite owl and silk spectre fight two people in the prison and its not Super powered ass kickery.
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Wasn't Nite Owl in the comic kind of a spineless coward?
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Feb 22, 2009 7:57:52 AM CST
The thing I really don't like about all these clips...
by whinynegativebitch
...Is that there is an obvious tone the picture has that is completely ill served by taking clips out of context. It makes them look ridiculous. Especially when they are trying to sell the scenes in the same way you would sell any generic action flick. They should have just stuck with the music heavy teaser trailers and the weird viral clips and tid bits.
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I was really looking forward to WATCHMEN. But that footage lowered my expectations drastically.I didn't like the score, the weird poses of Silk Spectre (btw, not the most beautiful actress imho), and the lame fights. I loved the slo-mo (THOUSAND times better than those fucking atrocious and horribly filmed Bourne and Quantum of Solace action scenes) though.I really hope this is still work-in-progress.
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Chapter 8, page 19.
there is ONE panel of Nite owl and silk spectre fighting convicts. The only one in the entire prison break.
Also they never force themselves to get back into shape
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Feb 22, 2009 8:05:17 AM CST
Doc Lazy I love your movies. The ones where you try to kill Bruc
by drturing
"These are supposed to be lifelong trained super heroes!" is my favorite new AICN catchphrase, especially if you think of it spoken as if Tommy Wiseau was delivering it.
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Feb 22, 2009 8:06:58 AM CST
I still suspect that the movie may be a great adaptation...
by stalin vs predator
...of the comic book's illustrations. Not of its content.
Oh, as for those who expect this to make sums comparable to "The Dark Knight"... come on. "The Dark Knight" capitalized on that media phenomenon which has been happening every few years for some time, but especially regularly since princess Diana's crash:
- a famous person (non-evil and recognized for something good) dies
- the media give this a huge exposure
- everyone cries and mourns, promises to change significantly
- everyone experiences katharsis, feels better about himself, sighs in satisfaction
- two days later, everything is the same as it was before the Event.
With "Dark Knight", a few years passed since the last Event (the pope), the world was waiting for a new one, the new Event came - and, as it happened, it was Ledger. That's why the movie made as much as it did make, and whatever the "Watchmen" guys do, they will not be able to copy that.
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Soooo hot...want to touch the hiney. Wow. And that scene was pretty badass. You're all sad, sad little people who can't find room to like anything. It's really pathetic.
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There is Alan Moore,who is the CREATOR of watchmen, and perhaps the best comic writer ever,always insisted that his comic cannot be translated into a film.
There is also Terry Gilliam, a very talented and experienced film director with several masterpieces in his career,who was going the comic into the movie,but eventually he understood and agreed with Moores point of view,and abandoned the whole project.
And then there is Zack Snyder who finally,did a movie adapation of the comic,which, when it will get released,will become a big boxoffice hit and get critically acclaimed by the movie critics.
Which means that a guy whose films until now,are a REMAKE and two image-by-image movie adaptations of two comics,a guy who hasnt showed yet his personal vision,abilities and talent in making a genius movie of his own,A FUCKIN HACK,that guy is going to prove that Moores and Gilliams neverending statement that a Watchmen movie is impossible,is full of shit,and that they are fucking idiots.
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The slomo of this clip wasn't the problem. It was that it was pointless and boring. Harry, man, you need to really stop with the superlatives when it isn't even close to being appropriate... All the Matrix comparisons on the board are justified... the slow mo and music with no dialog and alot of butt kicking. Only problem is that the actual butt kicking in this clip was about as exciting as eating cereal in the morning and reading the newspaper. If they're going to do a "here comes the ass kicking" scene like this with music like that, that makes everyone under 35 immediately think of the matrix, they better damn well have a pay off. Don't say it's an unfair comparison. They didn't have to shoot that that way, or go with that music.
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And I'm not even trying to be a dick here. I just wasn't all that impressed.
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Feb 22, 2009 8:15:57 AM CST
I didn't realize whirling hair made such a cool sound...
by grandmufftarkin
at 1:08...
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They are territory restricted?!? What the fuck is with that anyway?
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No, he wasn't.
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Since he jumped out, how does he get back up?
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Maybe I'm that desenitized or something. I saw it, but I don't see the scene. Guess it's because I'm just not that into this yet. I'll probably get all upset when the ending takes place when the squid doesn't show up because I'll know the ending is a replacment scene. I didn't like the abuse of philip glasses score for the trailers. Cause it wont show up in the final film becuase that composer is already acused of film score thievery. So... I know abotu the watchmen knew about it when it originally came out, heard freinds talkign about it, saw ads for in the back of other comic books. watched the G4 special on it back when 300 came out to theaters. I know the theme, but seriously I'd be a casual, who's first experiance of the tale will be in cinema's and i think it's a shame that the fans lost the squid, until the director cut release that will only go to NY cali and DVD/Blu Ray. Still this clip, yeah I'm not creaming for it. It was ok.
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Maybe I'm that desenitized or something. I saw it, but I don't see the scene. Guess it's because I'm just not that into this yet. I'll probably get all upset when the ending takes place when the squid doesn't show up because I'll know the ending is a replacment scene. I didn't like the abuse of philip glasses score for the trailers. Cause it wont show up in the final film becuase that composer is already acused of film score thievery. So... I know abotu the watchmen knew about it when it originally came out, heard freinds talkign about it, saw ads for in the back of other comic books. watched the G4 special on it back when 300 came out to theaters. I know the theme, but seriously I'd be a casual, who's first experiance of the tale will be in cinema's and i think it's a shame that the fans lost the squid, until the director cut release that will only go to NY cali and DVD/Blu Ray. Still this clip, yeah I'm not creaming for it. It was ok.
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It wants to be the original Batman TV show (all it lacked was the "WHACK!" and "POW" popups) and it wants to be the Matrix.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCpl3MLVwUc
You're fucking kidding me, right? 80s style MTV shot on modern HD video with a "countdown" of the coolest Watchmen and a reference to Veidt's Nostalgia? WTF? Are you fucking kidding me? I mean obviously I'm not to into this movie but I had no idea how utterly ridiculously they were going to piss on the grave of Moore's book. THIS IS NOT FORREST GUMP WITH SUPERHEROES! -
And that's not a good thing at all.
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And anything you toss his way that shows him more of the film will feed into it.. Thats why this clip has him going batshit. Same thing with Moriarty. I mean everything he posted about this always made note about how it almost didn't happen, he mentioned seeing production art froma previous director or something like that. For true blue watchmen fans this has been a long time coming and a lot of them are happy that so much of what was in Alans book will be on the screen. So I see where Harry and co are coming from.
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Feb 22, 2009 8:31:22 AM CST
Looks unbelievably awful. Does Snyder know how to spell 'subtle'
by giant fish
Not exactly what Alan Moore had in mind... My expectations for this just plummeted.
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You know why I resist commenting? Because I don't want to be that guy. This movie is apparently very important to a LOT of geeks, and I don't want to be "that guy who hates Watchmen". And, I haven't seen it yet, so I can't hate it. Judging by that clip, I'm gonna keep with the status quo.
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Outside the US, you can't see the clip, but you have to sit through the commercial before you find that out. Cunts.
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"Graphic Novel" used to mean something when it just referred to longer self-contained works, but now it's nothing more than a marketing term to make comics sound more respectable. Watchmen, V, Lost Girls and From Hell are arguably Graphic Novels because each had a real beginning, middle, and end, but pretty much everything else Moore's done is just collected comics, and even he would say this.
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absolute shit. Intermittent slow motion and a crappy, generic techno soundtrack are pretty much par for the course for Snyder. It's like it's the nineties all over again! Call me again when this thing bombs.
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not at all faithful to the vision of the GN.but then again how are we supposed to sell condoms and coffees to kids,if they dont get excited with cool action fights,shitty pop music and sexy heroic poses:
http://tinyurl.com/cabway
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I hate the slow motion as much as the next guy, but what I really hate is the unbeatable hero taking out everyone without breaking a sweat. Look at the first two Die Hard movies - He really got his ass handed to him before he comes out of it.
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That clip looks a bit made for tv to me. Almost like the live action Tick program if they would've had a larger budget and it wasn't a comedy.
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That clip was alot better than the one Harry posted. Helps establish the alternate Universe.
Stop getting your panties in a wad about not everything being shot for shot the same as the comic. It's using the medium.
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Are you fucking kidding, Harry? Seriously. And--no--I'm not judging the *film* by one clip. I'm judging the clip. And my verdict is this: typical. And nothing I haven't seen more competently and creatively executed in the first MATRIX film.And what the fuck was the sound effect you got so excited about, big guy?
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I've watched the clip three times and haven't managed to spot it. Can some one explain?All I'm seeing is the cheesiest, crappiest pre-1970s fight choreography I've ever seen. Dozens of inept bad guys deliberately 'missing' their intended targets and then falling comically to the floor when counter-attacked by ludicrous fighting 'techniques'.Are they DELIBERATELY making it look silly? Is this a SPOOF interpretation of Watchmen - along the lines of "Superhero Movie". Only explanation that makes sense.Seriously, this is a joke, yes? They haven't REALLY put this scene in the movie? The whole thing has the cheesiness of the "Monkey" TV show I watched as a small kid. Can't believe I'm seeing the same sort of thing in 2009.
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I find this all incredibly fascinating. 50% of the hype just dies the moment those clips go online. I've never seen anything quite like it. I hope people are watching this and analyzing the phenomenon. I think people are realizing that Zach Snyder couldn't be anyone but himself. He's uneven. He gets a cool 80s style soundtrack made and then he puts an appalling Linkin Park b-side sounding thing in this fight sequence.
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Hmmm... I just realized drturing may be a plant. Stirring up trouble with a fake arguement he knows isn't well supported.
Oh well, I guess I'm the patsy. I don't mind. I am a fence sitter for this movie, but lets call the good and the bad honestly, shall we?
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You guys just don't get it. This is what their costumes DO for their Psyche. Makes them cool when without them they are not. The slo motion is meant to capture that aspect of it.
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Fucking Cool! It looks like a real shitty clip! The only hope that I have had so far came from the fact they used Muse in the trailer...
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The Watchmen is about superheroes in the real world. Therefore, the fights should be brutal and short, not immaculately choreographed with plenty of slow motion. Aesthetically speaking, The Dark Knight is much closer to a Watchmen movie than this crap.
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...I liked the fact they seemed to be enjoying it rather than brooding about the whole thing - I did kind of wish that the fight sequence wasn't too slo-mo reliant - I'd hope for something a little more bone-crunching and rougher but I'm still very much confident the whole shebang will be a damn good film.
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yeah i'm a plant for Fox, you got me buddy. No, I just think it's stupid to reduce Watchmen to some pap infested infantilization in which the "Watchmen" are pop star icons and sublime little bits of the work are dredged up in pathetic virals which scream only of one thing "I read Watchmen, I did! See, there's a big of Vedit's Nostalgia! And the grafitti! See fans you should be happy, cause we read the book! In the meantime, for everyone else new to the story, here's a bad 90s style fight scene that's about as thrilling as the fight choreography from an episode GIlmore Girls!"
I'm a fucking plant for Paul Greengrass, who would've made this truly visionary, given even the Bond films are trying to rip off his genius. Meanwhile Zack Snyder's My Chemical Romance infested MTV merchandising marketing machine can go fuck itself. I've been saying it for two years - someone who would adapt 300 perfectly and faithfully is in no way mentally adjusted to capture the tone of Watchmen. -
That's a bad sign!
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It's a 10 minute story played in slow motion.
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Think of the first scene with Batman, in which he gets the shit pounded out of him, is nearly felled by a dog, and his new gizmo causes him to piledrive into a pillar. Bruce Wayne's sort of sublimated and implied repressed kinkiness and impotence. Politics and our actual institutions reacting in fear and terror to people actualizing superheroics and villainy. The texture of reality, a city that feels real. THAT's what Watchmen should feel like.
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Snyder has always said, and I reckon he's gone a fair way towards proving, that he was gonna stay as faithful to the book as possible. All those sets, all that background material, they all point to him doing as much as he can to replicate the panels of the book on the screen. And even as someone who hated 300, that's enough to have me keen to see the film. I've always been a bit concerned, though, that something would be lost in the translation, because in his previous films, Snyder has never struck me as a guy who could handle subtext or subtlety particularly well. So I think we're just gonna end up with a technically sound, finely detailed, mostly faithful adaptation that bears very little relation to the graphic novel, and has a terrible soundtrack as well. I'm actually still really looking forward to the film, but it's becoming increasingly obvious to me that Nite Owl has been reduced to a Batman stand-in, Veidt is essentially just a Bond villain, and the 'deconstruction' element of the novel has become 'how stupid were 90s superhero movies!?".
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Feb 22, 2009 9:07:02 AM CST
Did anyone think Snyder would actually understand The Watchmen?
by rbatty024
This is the guy who, and I believe honestly, didn't understand why people thought 300 might be racist or support a neo-con message. Don't get me wrong, those were the least of 300's problems, but I think they're arguments that can be honestly made about 300. Snyder says to these naysayers that they are missing the "point" of the film, but doesn't care to elaborate as to what the point is. Basically, because he has zero insight into his own films.
How, then, is it possible for this knuckle dragger to comprehend a complex book like The Watchmen? I guarantee you he probably read The Watchmen and thought, "cool, they're superheroes but they, like, rape people and stuff." Let's hope this is the beginning of the end to his short lived career. -
A fight down the prison hallway? I never thought Nite Owl was this badass in the comic. Aint it fool news strikes again.
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This passed the test. Really cool looking scene
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Feb 22, 2009 9:10:49 AM CST
especially rbatty when i hear the movie is gorier than the book
by drturing
like, WHY? The dude thinks Watchmen is like, superheroes, but more Hot Topic or some shit?
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with Christian Bale as Ozymandias, and Heath Ledger as Rorschach, and Robert DeNiro as The Comedian... And John C Reilly as Dreiberg.
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There is a large cohort of people on this movie site who hate movies and think they should not be made. The kind of people who have no good ideas of their own and just shit on everything that comes out. They try to prove how smart they are by picking apart the work of others. Like that character in Candide. Anyway, that was a cool scene, but the sound effect escapes me.
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Very cool! Liked all of this quite a lot actually. Don't quite understand why so many of you are complaining about it.
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Well, that's it, the final nail in the coffin for this movie. So far, the 'dramatic' clips have been terrible - and now this incompetent attempt at an action scene...By ANY standards, this scene is poor. And by the standards of the comic, it shows a complete misunderstanding of what this story is about.NOTE TO SNYDER: The Watchmen DO NOT HAVE SUPER POWERS. They CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT wade through a bunch of hardened criminals using fantasy "kung fu". They are has-been loosers. When they fight in the comic book - they use down-and-dirty, realistic streetfighting that leaves them breathless and exhausted. And no way are they able to take on twenty or thirty attackers.Are Warners out of their minds? THIS is the clip they choose to release? Are they not aware that this clip will turn EVERYBODY off going to see this movie - fans and non-fans alike?
There's not one good thing that can be said about it. And Harry, what is the MASSIVELY COOL bit you're talking about? The bit where Silk Spectre shakes her hair in slow-mo? Sure, it's pretty - but I've seen that in a hundred shampoo commercials. How is this cool? -
This films is shaping up to be one of the finest examples of both the director and the studio completely missing the fucking point. I agree, that the closest we will get to a Watchmen film will probably be The Dark Knight. Thematically and visually they share a lot.
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Um, in the graphic novel, a man can manipulate the building blocks of the universe because he had has "intrinsic field" zapped away. He moves to Mars and builds a castle. Later on a man creates a giant squid vagina monster from outer space and drops it on Manhattan.If this is your idea of gritty realism, then please let me try some of the weed you're smoking, cause my brand isn't quite that good.
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WOW! Slow motion martial arts! Never seen THAT before! Zack Snyder is such a Visonary! This looks fucking RETARDED!
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nothing to see here, move along.
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That was when the director of "Watchmen" first saw "The Matrix" and decided that he would make movies that look just like it did...cuz it looked Rad! I agree with everyone here...stylistically I've seen this before...where is the "COOL" part?
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and let me tell you, the central notion of watchmen is a completely three dimensional, psychologically real take on human beings in a world where those aberrant events happen, much like ours where we drop a shard of the sun on japan, and a dead man arises in the middle east who offers salvation to the majority of people on the planet, and the entire world is about to collapse due to the arcane business habits of a bunch of rich and powerful people who have the majority of us sucking on the teat of easy credit. Watchmen translated should have its heroes exhausted and fighting dirty - like it should be brutally bizzare to watch people dressed as superheroes fighting the way real people fight. Again, the actual shot from Oldboy would've been the way you do it, and revisionist, and something you've never seen before. Snyder made a great zombie film, a film that some people love that some of us think is racist garbage (including Alan Moore) and now has turned Watchmen into a mtv stylized sampling of imagery of the book with ideas from pop culture. FAIL.
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all be running to gang rape silk spectre, not fit her? i mean, very realistically.
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WATCHMEN, the novel, is realistic in terms of peoples psychology, politics, and what have you, but thats pretty much where the realism stops. Given that all we've seen of this movie are the money shots, and given that its supposed to be over 3 hours long, I think we're going to get our psychological realism. Unless, of course, its 3 hours+ of Malin "HOT!" Ackerman kicking people in slow motion, but I really don't think so.
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I've just looked at the clip again and can't find it. Please be more specific.As far as I can see, Night Owl and Silk Spectre arrive in the owlship, then proceed to engage in a bouncy-castle dance-off with some clowns. Am I missing something? The clip cuts out abruptly at the end of the "fight" - maybe my computer is cutting out something that happens after that. Harry, please explain...
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I kept waiting and waiting. Maybe it's at the end? 1:36, 1:37, 1:38, 1:39 ... Done, and still waiting.That corny "move" she does on the roof set the tone. Then the godawful music, underwhelming action and original Star Trek-worthy set ... The other clips I've seen were hit and miss. I'm officially worried now. I was dead set on seeing this but I have a feeling it'll be on DVD.
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it's damn hard to type and eat cereal at the same time
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you'll get 2:45 of Akerman's dreadful acting, and every scene dialed up to its dramatic intent to 11, and horrible nu metal rock scoring with chunky guitars, and Ozymandias' actor referencing his internal pop psychology in which Veidt's Nazi heritage has made him into the monstrosity he isn't supposed to appear as for most of the story; which given the deadly serious nature of events that occur, is going to seem oddly silly.
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...I'm guessing is when Silk Spectre raises her head and shakes her hair in slow-mo. Now, to be fair, this is very sexy - but completely stupid in the context of a Watchmen movie. Completely fucking stupid. And I don't understand why Harry is getting so excited about it - although I do notice that he's running a SHAMPOO AD at the top of this page. So maybe there's your explanation. A little shilling and product placement from Harry. Won't be the first time.
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On the rooftop bitch is strut'in in 5" fuck me heels, a few seconds later she is beating prisoners in what appear to be a pair of Nikes with latex leggings attachedhmmm...Guess Watchmen can forget that "Best Editing" Oscar.
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Why do they fight liek that in the film???? If this is true, it sounds like another departure fromt he source. Which sucks if you are a fan. I hate when othe rmovie mimic the fight scenes in the Matrix. It was ok in the Matrix because it was created and capitolized there. It's not cool when other films recycle it. Sounds to me like the book showed the watchmen taking licks. And getting hurt and bruised, and using gadets to get the job done over brute force. Will I hate this movie if I read the book the first?
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PT Anderson's Watchmen. Although if we're talking dream casts, a younger Robert Redford would be Ozymandias, a younger Burt Reynolds would be The Comedian, and Paul Newman cirvca 1995 would be Hollis Mason. (yeah, the time frame doesn't work, but we are talking fantasy). Ledger as Rorschach? Could work, but I found an old usenet discussion when the comic first came out and someone suggested Anthony Perkins, which makes sense to me. Reilly as Dreiberg is perfect. And way back Wizard suggested Mariska Hargitay (sp?) as Silk Spectre, which again works for me.
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In the first scene I thought "holy sh*t, they're throwing Stan Lee out the window!"
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THATS what happens with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre. Both of them are conflicted and angsty, but when the action starts and they begin to fight, its like sex, and they feel rejuvenated. Did you guys read the novel? I mean, they do get in a fight in the alley (written as if they were having sex), in which they kick an impossible amount of ass for people their age, and they DO, even more improbably for two people past their prime break into a prison and free a guy almost without breaking a sweat.
In short: The gritty realism you think is there, WAS NEVER THERE TO BEGIN WITH. Psychological realism, yes, totally. Political realism, yes, indeed. Everything else? Exaggerated comic book fantasy. And, uh, last I checked the film is based on a comic book, right?
You guys have already written this entire thing off, and you're bashing with reasons that totally contradict you're arguments. I don't get it. The only negatives I can see are the poor Ozy casting, and some of the music cues. But I'm TOTALLY LOVING these electro-neo80s sounds. Seems to me that the soundtrack is leaning more towards electro / retro than godawful nu-metal. In fact I didn't hear any nu-metal at all. I heard Phillip Glass. I heard some cool electro sounds. Yeah, I'm still very, VERY much looking forward to this.Why not wait to see it to judge it. Also, work on having consistent arguments. -
It seems to me that Snyder is approaching this the way Gus Van Sant approached Psycho. It's "faithful" to the original in visual terms (sort of), but it has none of the subtext.
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Now look. I want to see Watchmen pretty bad. But this is very similar to the lobby rescue scene in the original Matrix. I'm wondering if Z. Snyder can make a movie without slo-mo or ramping his camera speeds.
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this is a BLATANT ripoff of the lobby scene from the Matrix, right down to the characters giving those winking little looks to each other, and the fast-slow-fast editing. PATHETIC.
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Seriously, how is the whole "stopping the guy with one punch and he loses his footing in a spectacular fashion" interesting? It was old when Burton did it in the first Batman.
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The Incredibles.
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hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate... ...hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate... sigh... don't you just hate to hate? I think this movie will be awesome. I guess hate is as "trendy" as always. fucking idiots.
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...everyone bitching that the actors are too young is a douche. Carla Gugino, playing Silk Spectre in the clip above, will be THIRTY-EIGHT later this year. For Nite Owl, played by Patrick Wilson, they're a little further off. He'll be thirty-six this year.
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It is Fucking DIS-TRACT-ING!
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How did an amateur like you get to see it and therefore be able to judge it? Oh, what's that, you didn't see it? You've just already judged it as being bad based on a handful of clips shown out of context?! FUCK!!! YOU ARE TRASHING MY SCENE!!!
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Yeah there's some hate, but there's also valid criticism. Learn to tell the difference.
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I don't think it's the hair. I think that Harry's referring to the bit at the end of the clip where Night Owl spins a guy into the air - and he revolves in slow-mo for a second before hitting the ground. Only problem is that I've seen that done as well or better in a dozen movies at least. Yes. it was cool the first time I saw it (in The Matrix) but it's now just boring...
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That ain't Carla Gugino. Gugino is playing Silk Spectre's MOTHER, even though she's only 7 years older than Malin Ackerman.
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and styles used when they are made. Friday the 13th has the digital color trickery. The score sounds like any other random synth horror score that comes out. We even have scenes with band soundtracks driving them. And everyone is like "Cooooooool!!!" I hate it, the film is re adapted to fit into what's cool right now. It doesn't take any new bold steps. It doesnt try to be it's own voice. It joins everything else thats come out in the last few years. I hate it and Watchmen looks the same to me. It has the digital color change crap, the slow mo fight scenes and montages.. Does anyone believe in unpunched natural color anymore?? I mean we can film at nighttime in low light with little to no noise with some of these digital camera's. Why the fuck csn't they just keep what they get instead of dropping a blue or yellow hue into the color pallet. That and the digital color washout/desaturation crap annoys the shit outta me. Basterds is doing that. Everyone has this mind set. Less color makes it looks old and vintage... Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!! Does anyone beleive in normal, natural colors anymore!!!!!
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Well Snyder the more that becomes available the more exposed you are as a certified hack. How could you desecrate one of the greatest stories ever? The ending change, the ridiculous re imaging of characters like Nite Owl 2, hiring a composer that is known for thieving his music, and now fight scenes with no heart and zero originality. The music, what the fook is up with the music in that scene?? Oh this looks awful, the early reviews at other web sites are universally panning this pile of shite, don't see it. Don't support another terrible adaption like this. Snyder fooked up twice by alienating the core fans and now making a generic hero film that the general public will have no interest in, who is the audience for this now? Christ I'm giving him a free pass for sticking his son in this as a young Rorschachs. Speaking of that can anyone imagine how terribly botched Rorschachs death scene will be?
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Maybe. But if Incredibles had been a live action movie, it would have been in the top ten of superhero movies of all time.
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Maybe. But if Incredibles had been a live action movie, it would have been in the top ten of superhero movies of all time.
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as many have said before...it was Bad Ass and innovative the first time around in Matrix, and still is. the techno sound track matched the Techno/Industrial look. But now? It's about as "cool" idea as having Prince come back to do the next Batman score.
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Which is quite a bit different than the late 90s "electronica" sounds featured so prominently in the Matrix. These analog-y sounds are more akin to retro-electro and nu-rave than late 90s electronica.
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Silk Spectre wasn't this damn sexy in the book.
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Or do you all just hate for the sake of hatin'
The sound effects of Archies screechers, as written about and drawn in the comic, are fused into the audio mix of scene. Awesome! If your hating on THIS scene, there is no hope for you and you simply need a hobby to release your pent up unleashed virgin sexual frustration. This scene is f-ing awesome! -
I realize that Elfman and Williams are probably considered old hat, but either would have worked for this. Actually, what Zimmer and Howard did for TDK was probably the only innovative stuff in an action movie that ive heard in a long time.
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Now would probably be a good time to point out that the comic book Night Owl was middle-aged and slightly obese. Yes, he could hold his own in a street fight against one or two thugs, but he didn't have any ninja skills and probably could not have taken out a whole army of inmates. Silk Spectre also did not have any such skills, as I recall. I'm not sure that this direction is a good thing.
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I think you're missing the point of what people are saying here, Stickman83. The majority of responses aren't "hating" Watchmen. The responses are in reference to Harry's bizarre claims about how cool and spoilerish this clip is, when it's actually one of the weakest and most generic clips we've yet seen from the film--so much so, in fact, that no one has any idea what cool moment he's even referring to (and not just because Harry's such a piss-poor writer who can't punctuate, but because they genuinely don't know what the heck he means, given that this clip was just a typical Matrix-style action sequence, containing nothing we've not already seen a million times in the past decade). I'm actually very excited about Watchmen, as are a lot of people, and other than this rather pointless clip, I've been pretty impressed with everything else I've seen. But I have to agree with everyone--Harry blatantly whored himself with that opening paragraph, which bore no relation whatsoever to the actual clip, and was obviously intended only to score points with the Watchmen creators. There's just no other way to explain the complete incongruity between his claims and the actual clip.
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I was thrilled by the two trailers. But the last clips killed the movie for me : bad acting, "300" action scene with too much slo-mo and silly sound effects. I think Snyder has missed the whole point of Watchmen. It's not an action driven comic book, it's much deeper than that. He got the image right but not the subject.
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And its yet again another example of surface fidelity to material and yet managing to miss the whole point.
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Hold it there and think for a second: when studios release clips of upcoming movies, they are usually designed to look great - and usually they do - because more often than not, it turns out that the clips are from the best scenes in the movie. Often, the movie itself turns out to be a dud (Tropic Thunder, I'm looking at YOU). It's all part of promoting the movie.But in the case of Watchmen, after a couple of okay-ish trailers, the studio has released a whole bunch of clips that pretty much fall flat on their face. Dreadful make-up; flat, TPM-style performances; absence of drama or tension - and now, a ridiculous, out-of-touch fight scene. In which there is an "AMAZINGLY COOL MOMENT" that so far no-one has been able to find. And these are PROBABLY the BEST bits in the movie!So it's a very reasonable assumption - in fact it's a 99% probability, that this movie is a turkey. You can't blame viewers for this. They'll react to what they are shown. And if it looks like a turkey, walks like a turkey and craps like turkey - than in all likelihood, it IS a turkey.But if - just if - the movie turns out to be good - well, this series of clips has seriously misrepresented it - and Warners need to fire their entire marketing department for fucking up the whole campaign.
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It's a part of the music that (probably intentionally) syncs up with Nite Owl's descent. It would be cool if it were a sound effect, but it is not. That sound is in several more parts of the music during the scene, which is just OK, by the way. Nothing awesome in there, nothing as shit-terrible as the lovely Talkbackers like to make it out to be. This movie's going to be like "300." A lot of people are going to like it, a lot are going to say, ugh, I kind of didn't like that, and the fringe (Harry) will either say it's brilliant or (Talkbackers) the cause of all of life's problems. Yawn, predictable.
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I think the "cool" moment is obvious, but maybe that's because I have read the book so many times.
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I'm not too sure what's "so cool" or whatever about that clip. Seen stuff like that a million times. So a good guy goes down a hall knocking off "bad" dudes one by one. WHOA!!! WHOA!!!!
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Put that on youtube and youre guaranteed a million hits. But yeah, I see what you mean about Incredibles, but I still liked it and consider it more "homage," which is of course French for ripoff. I don't[ however, see any Watchmen themes in TDK, as great as it was. To my mind, TDK was at its best when it was close to the Joker's first appearance (minus the Joker toxin).
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then enlighten us. what is the moment?
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I really don't know... the flying kick we saw in the first trailer? Nite Owl's slightly odd drop out of the ship? Whatever it was, this scene was ripped more than a little wholesale out of Oldboy.
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for blocking this video from anyone outside the US
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a replacement for masturbation?
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say something that we think is crap is great?
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TDK score was good...
Also, as Watchmen is set in the 80's...it needs something oldschool-ish...gritty. Something other than what I'm hearing here...Not sure what I'd have done here, other than to eliminate this entire derivative shot and stick to the GN. -
but every clip I see makes me more worried. I didn't like 300 but I loved DOTD, so this could go either way. BTW, I loved the Watchmen comic.
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It woulod have been Harold Fontemeyer-esque synth stuff. I'd just go with the old-school symphonic stuff thats worked since the Erroll Flynn Robin Hood. Or some sort of amalgam of guitar and symphonic, like TDK.
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please tell us.
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Who attack Harry for the fact that he's obviously a paid mouthpiece for certain films and studios. Because they're assholes. But seriously. This is just too far. Stop trying to convince people that being "cool" and making you say "wow neato" does not make a film good or worthy of being watched by anyone other than 12 year old boys banging action figures together in the bathtub while mouthbreathing "PEW PEW PEWWWW!". Every single clip we've seen from this movie shows 0 respect for the source material, no matter how "faithful" they stayed to it. It spits in the face of the GN, and the only people who think different are too fucking young and female to look past "AAWW RAWSHAK IS WEARIN A CUTE JACKET, I HOPE THIS WINS A OSCARS."
This is worse than Son Of The Mask, simply by virtue of thinking it's anything better. My only consolation is that some director who isn't a complete tool is probably going to attempt a re-make down the line, 'cause hey, why the fuck not. And maybe that one will be for people who can think. -
That's exactly what I'm looking for. I like BB & TDK but Nolan could learn a lot from what I just watched.
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This Movie Will Rock.
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"THIS MOVIE LOOKS FUCKING RETARDED".
What's fucking cool in this clip? Watchmen meet 300. The characters look stupid. 10 year old boys might dig it. People talk about the hype behind a movie. Nothing tops this. At least Avatar will deliver and then some.
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Really? Dude, if you can't figure that out, there is no hope for you.
Why hang out in this talkback if your not interested in the film? If your going to hate on it and no see it, what's the point in being here?
I think the fact that so many here are commenting on the sountrack and audio mix may give a clue as to what is cool about the scene.
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I mean, WHAT.THE.FUCK. is wrong with using slo-mo? It's a THOUSAND, no a MILLION times better than all the horrible atrocious shaky-cam bullshit we get force-feeded in the guise of Bourne1-3/Quantum of Solace/Hancock/Transporter/Crank/Vanishing Point/every other generic major action movie of the past 8 years. Seriously, what in fucks name happened to all the steady cam operators?!? And all "modern" editors seem to have some kind of psychological deficit with all their milli-second cutting. A one second shot/take seems to be too long for them.And btw, THE MATRIX did not invent slo-mo fight action scenes. Go watch some 70s Sam Peckinpah or 80s Hong Kong action cinema.Btw, the above clip was shockingly lame. I hope the movie offers more than that.
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I invite everyone to vote on what they think Harry is talking about. Is the cool moment:(a) Silk Spectre dropping out of the owlship, rolling and striking a pose.(b) Silk Spectre and Nite Owl exchanging grins.(c) Silk Spectre mysteriously knocking out a charging hoodlum by placing her foot on his chest.(d) Any of Silk Spectre's unbelievable spin-kicking moves.(e) Silk Spectre shaking her hair in slow-mo.(f) Nite Owl jump-kicking a guy.(g) Nite Owl spinning a guy in the air.(h) Nite Owl clothes-hooking a guy in WWF style.(i) Nite Owl and Silk Spectre exchanging looks after the fight.(j) The Owlship.(k) None of the above.Ladies and gentlemen, your votes please.
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what, pray tell, is so cool?
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Those fights look like being from a PG-13 teenage crapfest.
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No prisoners! No mercy! C'mon. Surely you remember that awesome tracking shot in 300 where Leonidas alternates between slo-mo, real speed and hyper-speed while gloriously hacking off limbs and impaling people.
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...and we'll see how many agree with you.
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Did you catch the awesome scene where her hair made a whoosh sound in slo mo?
LOL!..I guess this movie isn't putting the bar very high on what age group they are trying to impress.
Man Hollywood hands you a big bowl of floating turds of a movie like this and you fucks say "WOW, can I have some?"
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Watchmen was going to get made, period. When you look back and read about what the studio wanted to do and you realize what Snyder fought to keep, I think you got to give the guy credit. Anyone actually read the Alex Tse script? It was garbage, and that was basically the first draft of this script.
I'm not saying Snyder is the best director ever, but the guy fought the studio on keeping shit in the film most directors who aren't fans wouldn't have cared about and he deserves some credit.
Personally I'm looking forward more to the full BluRay release and it's full four hours which will have all the scenes the studio made him cut due to time constraints intercut with The Black Freighter.
I think this film could be ALOT worse if not put in the hands of a fan of the source material, sure it would probably have less slo-mo, but who knows what other major changes would have been made. Read the orginal script if you don't know what I'm talking about. -
(l) Megan Fox's chocolate covered pu.... wait a second. Wrong flick.
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None of the above.
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But all the reviews from people who have actually seen the movie (for example, Kevin Smith), say its absolutely fucking amazing. Ergo, it would appear that its actually really good, and the "haters", hating without having actually having seen the movie, are WAY off.
http://tinyurl.com/6zmmtl
At Motoko: You, uh, do realize that they can't show the rated-R stuff in a green band trailer right? Don't worry, you can always jerk off to the illusion that James "Michael Bay" Cameron's Tron / Matrix meets the Dark Crystal and The Abyss retread AVATARD will be fucking you in the eyeballs. Its not like anyone else is ever going to fuck you. -
seriously has anyone here seen an Hong Kong action or martial arts movie,
I know they have their flaws, but if you want good modern action watch Donnie Yens SPL or Flashpoint, I get the feel there is still a stigma attached to those type of movies on here but man there a million times better than this, So I urge you please get Police Story, or Hard Boiled and enjoy the ballet. -
But all the reviews from people who have actually seen the movie (for example, Kevin Smith), say its absolutely fucking amazing. Ergo, it would appear that its actually really good, and the "haters", hating without having actually having seen the movie, are WAY off.
http://tinyurl.com/6zmmtl
At Motoko: You, uh, do realize that they can't show the rated-R stuff in a green band trailer right? Don't worry, you can always jerk off to the illusion that James "Michael Bay" Cameron's Tron / Matrix meets the Dark Crystal and The Abyss retread AVATARD will be fucking you in the eyeballs. Its not like anyone else is ever going to fuck you. -
But all the reviews from people who have actually seen the movie (for example, Kevin Smith), say its absolutely fucking amazing. Ergo, it would appear that its actually really good, and the "haters", hating without having actually having seen the movie, are WAY off. http://tinyurl.com/6zmmtl
At Motoko: You, uh, do realize that they can't show the rated-R stuff in a green band trailer right? Don't worry, you can always jerk off to the illusion that James "Michael Bay" Cameron's Tron / Matrix meets the Dark Crystal and The Abyss retread AVATARD will be fucking you in the eyeballs. Its not like anyone else is ever going to fuck you. -
google folks
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for all the bad guys to come at them one buy one and take their beatings, instead of you know doing it the realistic way and mob them as crowd and stick a shiv behind their ear.
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I just realised: it's NOT the hair. I think the cool moment that Harry's referring to is the way the Owlship swoops into the prison, swerves and hovers while the two heroes jump out of it. It's a cool gadget - and THAT'S why Harry's excited. He wants to buy the collectible replica. Totally passed me by the first few times I watched the clip - 'cause I was expecting the 'cool moment' to come towards the end of the clip. So, I select "None of the above".
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I hope you'll enjoy AVATAR. Fucking your eyeballs in 2009.Cause, you know, nothing else matters.nothing
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The GN is not a movie.
You can't make a scene for scene transition, it doesn't work. Pacing in a book/GN is different than in a film, the whole medium is different and require different elements needed for success. Thats why we have different mediums to consume.
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and getting the sinking suspicion that you dont actually have a cool moment in mind, you just want to be contrary. So if I'm wrong, please enlighten me. Explain it as if we're five year olds. please.
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Shit in this, But hate and berate it in the 90's Batman Movie run???? What Don't I Fucking Understand? Ah Duh Dah Dah...
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I am in Canada and can't watch it, otherwise i may go see the movie...stupid dick wads, don't want us non-Americans watching your movies, may corrupt them somehow...
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Which is why Moore has been down on the adaptation from the beginning. at least he was civil to GIlliam about it, although to Gilliam's credit he actually asked Moore's opinion.
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Of course I DO realize that they cannot show all the carnage in a trailer that has been approved for all audiences.My point, though, was that the fight looks pretty lame and undynamic -- like most PG-13 stuff does -- and nothing like R. And don't come with a "Bourne" argument, cf. above thread.
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What? I took it for granted that he glided and didn't notice that moment as anything special. Especially not after Silk Spectre drops to the roof, unaided by any glider, landing on her high heels, and rolling into a comic book pose. Now, if anything's going to be cool, it's THAT - though to be honest it's seriously silly. I don't think a "Niteowl' gliding is in any way remarkable. Batman does it all the time.But let's hear what Spastic says he thinks is the cool moment. Probably something we haven't even thought of - that's why I put in a "none of the above" option.
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Well, there was only one vote, and it was for what I voted for, so I win.
Of course Night Own exiting Archie (along with the schreecher sound) was the cool moment, who wouldn't have got that. If you such a Watchmen "purist" than you obvioulsy know that Night Owl is basically Batman, and that part of that scene was an obvious homage to Nolans' Batman. Thats not cool? Really? -
When all the mother's basement dwellers, who "hate" EVERYTHING, are there opening weekend, seeing it multiple times, "hating" it more each time, coming back here to let us know how much they "hated" it ("Silk Specter's knees are too sharp!" "The squid we used to think was anti-climactic and silly is now the most important element of the novel!" "I never read it, so I haven nothing to judge it by, but I hate it anyway!" and so forth and so on) whilst secretly loving it so much they cry themselves to sleep, on the stale mattress in mom's basement, covered in the detritus of the latest binge eating debauch (hoagie wrappers, candy wrappers, soda bottles, various snacks, some vomit, some semen, et al), growing fatter and fatter, arteries clogging, the eternally virginal meat globes drifting off to a sleep filled with dreams of tickling Dr. Manhattan's balls with their swollen tongues as their pimples burst like a tiny volcano all over their Terminator dolls.
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I posted it already, sheesh. Don't want to be treated like a five year old, don't act like one.
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But its not going to be. You know it, I know it, lets just let it go. As for getting fucked in the eyeballs? No thanks. I'd rather fuck my girlfriend.
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for one thing, if he could glide why does he need the owlship in the first place? And actually, Night Owl is Blue Beetle.
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...what The Dark Crystal has to do with Avatar? Or The Matrix? Or Tron? Or The Abyss?Because I don't see ANY connection there. Please, enlighten me.Oh, and while you're at it: maybe you can explain once more, what James Cameron and --Michael Bay (sheesh)--do have in common? Because I'm pretty sure we all would laugh our asses off due to your "argument".
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At least we agree on that, Motoko. But I love the Bourne movies, Children of Men, and other shaky-cam classics of awesome.But, I do have a hard-on for slow-motion. Its dreamy.
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when she flips her hair while she's fighting, or when she flips her hair at the end? Also, is the cool sound effect connected to the hair flipping as well, cause that WAS pretty amazing!
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mother's basement? check.
contradictory arguments? check.
fat jokes? check.
virgin jokes? check.
homophobic bullshit? checkity check.
just accept that some people don't like the same things you do. okay? It's part of being an adult.
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You should make love with her and not fu$% her. Maybe then she would start to like it.
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I watched the clip three times. looking for the 'coolness' before I even clocked the gliding - just took it for granted that they jump out of the owlship. And Harry wouldn't have drawn our attention to something that happens at the start of the clip, where it will be missed by most people. I think the "cool" moment is right at the end where Silk Spectre, strides up beside Nite Owl, looking incredibly sexy in slo-mo, and turns and gives him a smoldering look. I think THAT'S undoubtedly what got Harry excited. To be fair, it would be a great ending, if the rest of the scene hadn't been so predictable.
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Thats the connection. Don't cry too hard. Also, put down that hoagie. You've already had 12 today!
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You wrote: "you do realize that I'm a three-time award winning retired adult film star of over 1400 scenes, right? I'm not trying to brag here at all"
Two problems with that statement: (1) No you're not. (2) Even if you were, a scummy career like that certainly wouldn't be something to brag about, or to envy. -
the fight scenes look fake and overly choreographed.
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Where is that Blue Beetle movie that could be referenced. Night Owl is also very much Batman, come on.
No doubt storyboards exist, I'm not and idiot. But there is a reason that there are not literal translations to books. People consume mediums in different ways, plain and simple.
I have to agree with an above poster that I prefer the slo-mo over the frantic super edits of bourne, etc. I would rather see the action rather than experience a siesure, call me crazy.
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Uh, where the fuck did that come from? As far as the geek cliches? Totally. Because they're true. Especially for the "haters." You know it and I know it.
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Agreed, both do use a handheld camera.But whereas CoM fucking blows you through the back wall of the theatre due to the utter brilliance of the LONG UNCUT shots during the action scenes, the Bourne movies do not allow you to see ANYTHING during the fights and chases. Nothing, zero, nada, niente. Just hyper-quickly edited, fully tilted shaky images.
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Where? Explain.
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but I might as well add my vote to the increasing "meh" tally. In the context of the film this scene might work better, but isolated like this, it's just derivative and repetitive and silly.
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Wtf? Are you referring to the unofficial, "leaked" and probably fake image? C'mon...
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But I like them both. I think the fight scenes in Bourne are exciting and cool.
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Cool moment's DEFINITELY the slow-mo hair. It's incredibly shiny and hypnotic. See how it all moves together as if it's one rippling mass. Kind of like the liquid terminator in T2.
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Movie looks alright. The R rating actually motivates me to see it. That dude looks like Hawkman from the 80's Buck Rogers show crossed with Batman. I know nothing about Watchmen but I am interested in this film.
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You and I are fucking done professionally. Fuckin' ass.
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That Night Owl exiting the ship at the moment a schreecher sounds is the cool moment?
I thought it was kind of obvious, and it wasn't a part of the multiple choice list, thats why I chose (K) None Of The Above.
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I just don't think it will be. I think Cameron is overrated and his best days are long past him. That said, I definitely plan on seeing it and I want it to be good. I hope he can change my mind and really do something cool; recapture the awesome he gave us in ALIENS (hands down his best film). I just doubt it.
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You want me to trash your lights? DO YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING TRASH THEM?!
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Do not, ever, mention the word "T2" in a thread where LaserPants is around. Ever.
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for fellating dr. Manhattan isnt homopobic?
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It's so lame. I think it's basically done to cover up the fact that the actors are not really credible doing fight sequences.
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AND the music does SUCK. Hopefully, that's not the actual music?
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Just as Rorschach is the Question, Dr. Manhattan is Captain Atom, and The Comedian is the Peacemaker. You *do* know the history of the comic, dont you?
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Just as Rorschach is the Question, Dr. Manhattan is Captain Atom, and The Comedian is the Peacemaker. You *do* know the history of the comic, dont you?
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Now I know you're nuts. the first one was brilliant, the second one was good but not great.
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As certain people are pointing out, someone has crudely cut some of those clips. And with the extensive amount of material saved for the dvd release, who know's how that scene is meant to be cut? And a lot of people who've seen it have been raving about it. On the other hand, expectations for this film are such that it will be months before an accurate assessment will emerge. Remember The Phantom Menace. People were trying to rationalize the problems with that film for months. Go up to the AICN search bar and read the old articles relating to that film. Very educational.
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And having the frantic quick cuts style conveys a credible fight scene? I dunno about that.
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why do i feel like the only one who thinks this movie will be a monumental turd?
the more i see of it the more i think it will suck blue donkey balls.
all this talk about how faithful Zack Snyder has been to the comic are BULLSHIT !
Just LOOK at these Fucking CLIPS !
That is NOT what I call faithful...
not to the spirit of the book.
Fucking AICN and Chud are both going to be wrong about this film I think.
I'll still watch it,because the curiosity is too strong not to... but christ, at this point, they are much better off not showing ANY more footage ahead of release. (unless the gameplan is to get the people who liked Batman & Robin into the theater). -
I didn't say wanting to lick Dr. Manhattan's balls was a bad thing. I don't want to, but I think anyone who does want to, should enjoy their comic book fantasee. The point was that the "haters" secretly actually LOVE it. I wasn't gay bashing.
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(sorry, didn't see that part before) you claim that your archetypal hater is both anal about the original comic and yet somehow hasnt read it.
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(sorry, didn't see that part before) you claim that your archetypal hater is both anal about the original comic and yet somehow hasnt read it.
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Allow me to quote your opinion about the usage of slow motion: [quote]"I think it's basically done to cover up the fact that the actors are not really credible doing fight sequences." [endquote]You do realize that slo-mo allows you to see everything that happens on screen? I would argue that in that case the actors do indeed need to be able to cope with the fight choreography.Whereas in fucking shaky-cam images that are edited in a half-a-second-rhythm you absolutely do not need ANY kind of fight choreography. Which is the reason why fight scenes are edited more quickly the more an actor is incapable of fighting.
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thats a tired tactic "I'm not homophobic, i'm making fun of their homophobia." You knew the reaction you wanted.
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Not only does this look horrible, but I've seen every shot before in another movie. Where's Zack Snyder's "visionary directing?"
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Uh, yea dude, I *do* know all that.
Could you link me to the film versions of Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, and The PeaceMaker so I could film homages to these visual works?
Ozy is also based on Thunderbolt, but he also has no movie ever made so Snyder could film a homage, like he did with Night Owl using the cape to glide through the air.
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Using the excuse that another would have been used. I'd much prefer the slomo over shakey cam shit. Really. Same fucking lame arguments made about remakes vs a sequel. I'd much prefer a redo then see Jason in space part 2. Like there aren't any previous time lines to fuck around with in regards to the F13 series. Fuck man.. They could have I don't know just shot a normal fight scene with real punches thrown or maybe more calculated attacks like dropping a foot into the inside of the knee tearing the meniscus, or a nice monkey arm club to the bad guys inner collar bone area near the sterum. You can kill a man if you hit them in with enough force in that area. You'll tear all those sternoclavicular ligs up and that clavicle will seperate and float, that dude won't move cause that clav can go into the heart or lungs. A very simple and effective downward fist motion made near this connection point will end any fight right then and there- nevermind the dude will never have full us of that arm again becuase they have to cut the end of tha clav and reconnect it to the rib . No shakey cam needed. Just real good moves to put the guys down fast. Experiance vs brute thoughtless force. Jackie chan talked about movie kicks vs real world kick on TNT once. He said the leg in a real fight should never go above the waist to do effective quick damage.
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who thought it was a good idea to get the blond kid from Let the Right One In to play Ozymandias
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"I think the "cool" moment is obvious, but maybe that's because I have read the book so many times. " So apparently the cool moment has something to do with the book. But this is something that adds on a cheap gimmick that the average person will think "that's just ripping off Batman Begins." In other words LAME. It's not a "shout out," it's just silly, especially because if Nite Owl could glide, why the F*CK would he need an owlship?
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Lame argument.
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apparently Goode is 30. And Oxymandias is supposed to be well-preserved. Nonetheless, he looks like McCauley Culkin here. Should have bit the bullet and paid for Pitt or Jude Law.
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Because I have a vocabulary greater than that of a 12 year old boy. (I read at least at the level of a 14 year old...).
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There are many kinds of haters, here, wookie; those who are anal about the comic, AND those who hate it without having read it. If you notice, SEVERAL of the anal haters seem to have missed (or conveniently "forgot") a great deal of the book.
My argument is consistent, you just don't agree. Try harder next time.
Also, epic fail on the homophobia thing. I never said that being gay was bad. YOU inserted that. Perhaps you need to search your own notions? YOU made the leap that homosexuality = bad. Uh oh, looks like you just got pwned. -
the point is it's not a cool "homage" to the source material. It's just a lame ripoff. And I don't recall Batman having any kind of plane in either BB or TDK (except for the Skyhook, but he didn't use it in the same way as the Owlship).
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I'm sure you wouldn't dream of asking us to take some one else's word for it, right? Personally, I am judging the scenes I've seen based on... the scenes I've SEEN. And I don't need Kevin SMith or anyone else to tell me what I've seen.One more thing: Kevin Smith LOVED and STILL LOVES a little movie called The Phantom Menace. In fact he loves all three of the Star Wars prequels.I'll let that fact speak for itself.
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Visual artistry combined with martial arts can be an "art" of itself. And I've always had a desire to involve the camera, to an extent, within the action...but not in that shaky-cam kind of way...but rather, in a roller-coaster/amusement park kind of way. For example, like the camera staying locked above a hand/fist and changing perspective within the movement. Compare it to getting an almost dizzying feeling while watching a STAR WARS battle in space, but replacing the spaceships with body parts and replacing the blackness of space with the environment in which the scene takes place. And part of the artistry is in the edit, bouncing from shot to shot, within the action or away from it. I love this stuff.
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If Kevin Smith said it was raining, I'd look out the window myself.
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the cool part was the kicking? am I right? the kicking? cuz , you know, when I was a kid if you were in a fight, only the sissies kiked you
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So your saying TDK doesn't follow the source material as close as Watchmen should?
Condradicts your argument here doesn't it?
Like I said originally, the "cool" moment was Night Owl exiting Archie at the moment the screecher sounds. The use of Archie's screecher is taken from the source material.
The glide was the homage.
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You trot off a list of negative cliches about fanboys, then you include one about them being gay, and you expect me to believe that you didn't mean it as a bad thing? Bullsh*t. AS for contradictory, I realize that you meant to two different kinds of "haters," I take that back. And if you want to trash fanboys, I'd avoid phrases like Epic Fail and Pwned. Fanboys tend to use those.
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With the exception of Episode 3, which he loved. I loved it too (whilst hating the first, and tolerating the 2nd).
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There have been over 1000 different comics featuring Batman, with multiple interpretations. But now you're trying to claim two different "cool" moments. And I still say the glide was a ripoff, not an homage.
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I stand corrected on that point. I'm afraid, I thought Episode 3 to be the worst of the lot - but after the first one, I think there was no going back.
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I'm just one with a life who actually ENJOYS things rather than "hating" them as many "haterly" fanboys do WITHOUT HAVING EVEN SEEN THE MOVIE, ostensibly as some weird overcompensation for being fat, lonely, and miserable. Again, never said being gay was bad. YOU inserted that meme. So you Epicly Failed, Mr. Pwned By Me.
Oh, but you can feel free to feel morally superior in relation to my busting on obese virgins living in Mom's basements across the globe. I think they're ridiculous and more than a little sad. So, on that point, yes, I am an evil bastard who exploits hurtful stereotypes. Epic Win for you! Yay! Now put down that hoagie. -
I appreciate what you're saying. But I still think that the glide is over-egging the pudding, as the English say.
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And aparently the whole film is online, if you keep jumping from website to website watching the clips.
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Seems like your arguing for the sake of arguing.
One mans ripoff is another mans homage.
I don't think Snyder could film that scene, especially after the billion dollar payday that was TDK, and claim it was his own. If he does, it's a ripoff, but its way to obvious so it has to be a shout out.
I still say it's an homage.
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Feb 22, 2009 11:47:34 AM CST
Patrick Wilson had a better dance partner in Claire Danes
by julius dithers
in that Gap commercial. Let me comment on Akerman's hotness now to preempt any homophobic remarks.
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It don't make sense... make fun of fanboys with a series of cliches, then make a totally unrelated gay crack?
We're not "hating" based "WITHOUT HAVING EVEN SEEN THE MOVIE"... we're saying meh to a clip that Harry et all are apparentliy trying to forcefeed us as being "Fucking Awesome."
Haven't had a hoagie in years,btw.
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Did you just compare the cultural significance of Heath Ledger dying to the death and selection of a new Pope? And people wonder why talkbackers and fanboys are routinely mocked.
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I just don't see it as being that great. I'm being honest. Isn't that good for something?
I mean, serious, what is worse, disliking something, or jumping up and down and sreaming "HATER" when someone doesn't like what you like? Maybe the movie will be brilliant. Just doesn't seem so based on what I've seen. -
... is the ain't-it-great-to-be-doing-this-stuff-again smile that they give each other at the beginning; it nicely frames the rest of the scene. Harry's fascination with the sound effect baffles me, though.
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But the fight that follows is far too much like what I've seen before.
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This is not the first movie to have this type of fight scene.
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...but the fact that all 3 clips we've seen with action sequences have slomo in them (at least twice each, with this latest one topping them all). Can't Snyder see it's a cheap gimmick that robs his film of realism, dynamic movememnt, and weight? It becomes overstylized fluff. Why can't he see that? Honestly, I'm starting to think he just can't help himself, it's like a compulsion. I can understand a little slo-mo here and there, but it's EVERYWHERE. What's this guy thinking? It's the music video from-the-90s director fetish....God, so sad. You overdo that crap for commercials and music videos, not when you're trying to tell a flowing narrative. Nice going, Snyder. Let it be said - I'm not a hater and am sure the movie will still be enjoyable, but this is just ridiculous. I hope the critics pan him over this slo-mo crap so he learns a lesson...
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just asking.
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Anyone have a alternative link to it?
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that thought the music was the coolest part...
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is that a legion of criminals would only attack two people one bad guy at a time.
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You don't get it: slo-mo allows for fight choreography to undertaken at less than full-speed, which would be ridiculous looking if shown in real time. By making it slo-mo it covers up the fact that they are not exactly executing the moves with any real alacrity or force.
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Dude, have you ever watched an action scene before? Do the bad guys ever attack all at one?
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Peckinpah-style slow motion (to distinguish it from Snyder-style slo mo) literally involved speeding up the rate at which the film went through the camera, either by speeding up the motor or even hand-cranking it. Used sparingly, it can be effective. What Snyder does is use the process shot in the middle of the scene for the Matrix-style slowdown in the midst of the shot. It's been waaay overdone, and it seems to be Snyder's favourite trick.
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I'm still optimistic for the movie, and I have no bias against Snyder (loved DotD, sorta liked 300), but it actually amazes me that any fan of the book or good movies in general can look at that scene and say it's effective.
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however, good directors and/or stunt coordinators can get around it. Snyder seems to be calling attention to it here.
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who cant help themselves but watch and re-watch every little trailers they released for the movie. the movie is just mere days away, dudes! you are just ruining your big screen experience.
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but the techno score overwhelms it. If there had been no incidental music at all, it would have been more effective.
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the techno music *IS* the screecher, in which case Nite Owl might have a career as a rave DJ.
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I actually just watched the Matrix Trilogy yesterday, I have been sick all weekend.
The only scene where the "bad guys" don't attack one by one is the multiple Smiths scene in the park, and thats all computer generated. It also has lots of slo-mo, lol
What films/action fight scenes have an attack in a real world way?
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This is cliched--we've seen this thousands of times, especially since the Matrix, and we've seen it done better...
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but Cameron can afford to do that because he's built up enough good will and anticipation with his fans (of which I'm not really one) that they will expect it. Kind of like Spielberg not allowing clips showing E.T. until after the movie was out. But Warners is in a double bind here, because it has to sell Watchmen to the general public while still pleasing nitpicky fans (like myself, I'll admit).
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but Cameron can afford to do that because he's built up enough good will and anticipation with his fans (of which I'm not really one) that they will expect it. Kind of like Spielberg not allowing clips showing E.T. until after the movie was out. But Warners is in a double bind here, because it has to sell Watchmen to the general public while still pleasing nitpicky fans (like myself, I'll admit).
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Feb 22, 2009 12:12:38 PM CST
Don't they call themselves the fucking Watchmen in the movie?
by jackie boy
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No way in hell is this scene like Oldboy. Oldboy's fight scene was a gritty, arduous ordeal that actually convinced me that maybe for once it would be possible for one guy to kick the asses of many guys (the omnipresent action movie cliche). That's why it impressed me. Oh Dae-su EARNED that victory.In contrast, this? Pretty damn silly.And I really don't know what sound effect was supposed to make me say "fucking cool!" I'm serious. What was it? Was it when Nite Owl zipped down from the ship?
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For me is when Laurie kicks the guy in the chest and brings him all the way down to the ground with her leg so that she's standing on him. That's a pretty cool fight move.
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there's a real fight scene, partly because it never seems effortless for the guy. I dont know, i really just didn't feel much for the scene here. I'm tired of scenes where the heroes seem to easily hand everyone their asses. Yeah, there were a few of those in TDK, but they weren't nearly as stylized as the ones here (and Batman does actually get roughed up).
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batman and one of the chicks from mortal kombat fighting a bunch of dudes, kick ass man
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I bet your ass is still sore. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
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Yea, since it has been mentioned I have been reading about it. I actually just added it to my Netflix, lol.
Seems crazy, the dude is in a cage for 15 years, wtf?
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"go find the cool moment" and we all jumped in and started looking.Well played, sir, well played.
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PRON IS COMING. BEWARE!
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Just grab her hair that would be the best way to attack the woman. There's a reason that women cut their hair and/or tie it back in the military.
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How is it possible that anyone could get excited for this??? Every bad ass inmate is getting knocked out by single hit blows. It makes them harmless, which makes me not at all impressed that they got their asses handed to them. And those smiles in the beginning were fucking lame.
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For the love of god, avoid fucking Oldboy spoilers at all costs.
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you have to sit through a commercial and THEN you're told you can't see the clip? BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA. That's fucking hilarious. Sorry about your bad luck, but God Bless the USA. Music sucks, Silk Spectre has a nice ass, and the scene is just so-so if that makes you feel any better.
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I really really liked that movie. If you think it such a good movie that you have to go on and on and on about it, I think your exposure to films is limited. Like I said, don't get me wrong here... it is a GOOD movie. As I've said in many a talk back, there is only one single brilliant scene in that movie, and that's the only reason people go on about it. Without it, you wouldn't be talking about the long cuts. Some of you only noticed the creative camerawork because you watched the DVD extras.
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While all the other viral clips have worked for me (Manhattan news report, Keene Act and You), this one felt really off. It's a bit too meta, with the clock on the set, and the grafitti. I've been excited about this from the beginning, and I know the book pretty well, and it's fresh in my memory since I just taught it for a class. But one thing has stuck in my craw. I know it's a nitpick, but calling the group 'Watchmen' (instead of 'the Crime Busters') completely undercuts the notion that this anti-cape movement is grass roots, and undercuts the impact of the graffiti. But to have that street level message co-opted by a corporate entity, especially one controlled by Veidt, completely misses the point of the real anger and antipathy that people feel towards the heroes. So I agree, the MTV clip doesn't sit right at all.
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I saw it on youtube. Viacom sucks.
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Yeah, I completely agree. The other virals were at least tangible, but that mtv shit was like a bad joke. It was like something a middle schooler makes for history class while trying to be cheeky or something.
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I hope this isn't the full clip. The pacing seems off and that damn music is awful! So far it has been 50/50 for me. Hopefully the film as a whole is 100 times better than this crap!
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WB is going after the geeks here with 10 new trailers every week. they think we are all just spoiled children who crave and crave and crave. and we prove again and again to them that they are right.
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But I'm beginning not to. I do feel both actors should have been past-their-prime and that the fight be more dirty and desperate than slick and slow-mo. While I don't care as much about the use of slow-motion, I think the book was very different in tone and by design. Still, I'll reserve judgment until I've seen the film. However, this doesn't look good.
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Feb 22, 2009 12:30:33 PM CST
The respect for the embargo out there kills my respect for the i
by fluffyunbound
The whole point of internet news is to refuse to respect embargoes and to just run shit whether it's fair or not or verified or not or what have you. I know that by now MANY, MANY people have seen this film, and there are simply not enough reviews out there on the internet relative to that number of people. BREAK THE EMBARGO ASSHOLES. [This is directed not just at AICN but at the internet in general.]
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if THAT is massively kewl...then the movie is gonna suck.
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If this was made for TV I could wrap my head around it but that clip (accepting it as an action sequence and hopefully not indicative of the whole movie)would not look out of place on Pagliacci's feet. Right from the whole LAND then ROLE then POSE of the Silk Spectre to the LETS RUSH THEM ONE BY ONE approach to the choreography this scene looks like it was funded by the Sci Fi channel. Point of fact this is one of the larger 'action' sequences in the book and it takes place in the last quarter of the story. People are going to have to sit through an awful lot of story to get to what should have been an almost orgasmic release of costumed violence (which I appreciate may need to have been amped up for the entertainment crowd)and when they see this I'm praying they're all so starved of action that two ballet dancers in rubber suits will satisfy them otherwise people will fucking walk.
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The Watchmen name was in the Sam Hamm script, so I'll blame him for it, not Hayter or Tse. but it does bring a sense of literalness that makes me think that they thought the audience wasn't too bright, namely that people would be coming out of the theater saying "why did they call it watchmen?" All they would have had to do is either use the Juvenal quote or, better yet, the JFK quote about "the watchman on the walls of world freedom," which is the only actual mention of the term within the text of the book. Again, they assume audiences are stupid.
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If this scene is used as part of a set of scenes that is designed to show that these two feel empowered - psychologically, sexually - by their costumed violence, and this is the "after" of a "before and after" set of changes in the characters, then the tone makes a certain amount of sense. If not, then it doesn't look too good.
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I've tried to refrain from comment on Scriptgirl, but this makes Scriptgirl look like Dorothy Parker. It's hard to make that kind of thing believable - they did a pretty good job on the "Gotham Tonight" ones for TDK, but this is just... ugh.
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The rights were free, considering that Paramount is coproducing. Have to agree to disagree on this one being good, but then I never saw the real MTV. Truce?
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Not bad, but again, what the F*CK is up with the nu metal?
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if you're going to assume the audience is stupid then you're just not the right guy to do this movie. all the wrong decisions in this movie can be derived from that. the mention of "the watchmen" as the group, the explosion instead of squid, etc. this movie needs grit - it needs to be dirty instead of flashy and pretty. it needs to be directed like chinatown or the french connection, not cgi and slo-mo driven. the design and tone is just absulotely wrong.
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She's just wearing boots in the fight scene, but we see heels earlier. Oh well, stupid for her to have heals in the first place.
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At least I could follow the action in this clip and it didn't rely on shadows, close-ups and quick-cuts. I don't know about WATCHMEN as a whole, but Zack Snyder just pwned Christopher Nolan when it comes to fight scenes.
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The moment night owl drops out the ship, it was a kinda 1977 Warriors vibe to it. You gotta love it.
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but the whole do-it-as-a-cable-miniseries makes a lot of sense right now. for one thing, people would have given some leeway on the FX (although really, except for Manhattan and the Squid, there's nothing that spectacular in terms of FX requirements) and they would actually *expect* a more intelligent audience.
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I've enjoyed everything I've seen of this movie, until this clip. What 'cool' sound effect? All I hear was massively annoying Matrix like music, accompanied by a shitty fight scene. This clip just made me a whole lot more cautious.
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That seems suspiciously like setting up an visual homage to a page/frame in the comic.
Anyone who eat sleeps and breathes Watchmen know, yea or nay?
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Snyder hasn't "pwned" anybody. That's exactly what I hate about the whole "fanboy/hater" dichotomy. It has to be about someone being up and someone being down. They serve completely different purposes. I happen to prefer the way Nolan did it, but that's my opinion. I hate that personal taste has become a competition. Now excuse me, I have to prepare for the Oscars.
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it's the type of stuff you farm out to second unit. Just a guess though. Thanks for making intelligent comments. I feel bad because I was one of the one who trashed you on the Spirit TB.
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was the attempt of the actress to pretend to be a VJ. but that is *very* hard to act well, so I'll cut her some slack.
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Or taking drink orders. Whatever you're doing there.
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I have no problem with the clip except for the terrible score.
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But the Joker chase was one of the best car scenes I've ever seen. Much improvement on the ones in BB, which were probably my least favourite part of the original movie.
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on this fucking site?! Everyday it's bitch,bitch,bitch,bitch,bitch! Wait for the movie to come out!
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It really has looked like Snyder was doing as good a job as can be hoped for in translating the comic to the screen 20+ years after it came out. That being said, that clip really did nothing for me and the music was awful. Hopefully, I will be so engrossed by the movie, by the time it comes up, that it won't bother me as much when I see it on the big screen.
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approved it... What I think is stupid beyond belief about it is that it's post Keene act, when costumed vigilantes (never called superheroes) have been outlawed and public opinion is against them, and here's a VJ trying to be cute about Rorschach. Rorschach should be treated by the media a la bernie goetz. Especially in the early 80s. Everything about it reeks of "look cool we REFERENCES MINOR ILLUSTRATIVE DETAILS but please don't pay attention to the fact that this has nothing to do with the brilliant and subversive ideas of the comic." And what's with the continual references to pop music throughout the clips we've seen and here? What would've been cool would be a MTV network doing a piece on early punk and the music of Pale Horse.
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I'm just planning to watch the Oscars on TV, not be there. I was trying to make an ironic point about complaining about turning personal taste into competition on the day most dedicated to that very concept.
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who knows, few years down the line, if enough people are pissed off with this movie, they'll do a mini.
a watchmen movie is coming out and we are here now talking about the fight scenes. in a watchmen movie! man, the studio really know how to steer you geeks, dont they? -
You do your namesake proud. (You aren't a robot, are you?)
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this fight scene is ala-videoclip stylized like those movies.which isnt bad if we are talkin about an action movie addressed at the rave generation.
but we are talking about Watchmen,and this scene does not at all depict the atmosphere,style and the contextual settings of the Watchmen universe.
what mr Snyder tries to do here,and its one reason why this scene from the movie has been uploaded to the net,is to show off his characters,to make an advertisement of the product.
he is adressing at the fanboys of the GN,mainly the young ones and NOT the ones who read the comic at the 80s,and he says:
look guys here are your favourite characters from your favourite comic.arent they visually the same like the comic? yes they are.and because you are the generation of Matrix and not of Die Hard,i made them to look really cool and satisfy your geekness, by using the modern action style you like so much,and ofcourse i accompanied the scene with trance music u like so much too.They are so cool,arent they? now go watch the movie,buy the dvd and the toys.
thats what is all about.an advertisement,a cleverly done demonstration specifically addressed at the young geek target group.like the mtv music clips made to sell the songs to the young audience, exactly like that is made the scene (and the whole movie),in order to sell to the young audience.
thats why the fuck, from the start i am against this specific movie adaptation,thats why the fuck i am shouting that true fans of the GN,should boycott the movie.This thing is a product in order to make tons of money,like they did with 300.thats why the producers hired Zack Snyder,thats why u will get a visually astonishing movie,but as content goes,it wont have the greatness of the GN.
and one last thing.i dont believe that the screecher,is that of Archies.It looks to me like an addon sfx,like those they put in trance music.
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Wow, pretty funny stuff there. You could give the TWO AND A HALF MEN guys a run for their money.
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Feb 22, 2009 1:03:01 PM CST
cloudrider, I've got not much better to do on a Sunday afternoon
by wookie1972
should be reading Team Of Rivals or doing the NYT crossword, but I like to argue. Nah, I think this is pretty much it for Watchmen. It will do well, but not great. It's not a disaster on the level of Lynch's Dune (which I sorta liked).
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TDK, Wall-E, Battlestar Galactica, the original Watchmen graphic novel, Ghost in the Shell 2 on Blu Ray, Street Fighter IV, Fallout 3, Let The Right One In, The Wire, Miyazaki's Nausicaa graphic novel, and I am very much looking forward to Avatar.
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All I mean is that the idea that Snyder "pwned" Nolan because his fight scenes are more spectacular (imho, not so much) is kind of silly.
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http://www.movie-wave.net/titles/300.html
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If anything you're a plant for Universal ( that's a pun on your name for those of you playing at home. ) Just kidding.
OK so you're not a plant... it was still a silly jab at what is otherwise a clever ( albiet not the best ever seen ) take off of MTV setting up the alternate Universe. It's just a joke. If you're stuck in the mindset that Watchmen should be like TDK ( and I agree that would have been cool ), you're just going to be disappointed in the Watchmen we're getting. Let it go, man. I do think Harry set us all up for the anger and sharp tongued responses here.. his overuse of superlatives and exaggeration is his schtick here. I bought his virtual blowjob review hook line and sinker when his writeup for Star Wars Episode 1 came out.
If Harry said, "found a new clip of a fight scene for Watchmen. It starts off with a smile and let the ass kicking begin.", I think there would still be plenty of negative comments, but not outright backlash and burying criticism of the scene.
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What I should have said was Snyder FTW.
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OF course, it doesn't hurt that Jon Hamm could have come straight out of 1961.
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I first read the graphic novel about 4 years ago and became an instant fan. When I saw the teasers and trailers, my hopes for the film were very high. But now, I've watched all these clips they've released, and my hopes are not high anymore. I am simply hoping now that it won't be an embarrasment. The music in that clip, just awful. I am getting tired of this generic music in superhero movies. It sounded just like Iron Man. The crunching guitars/techno crap... Should we blame Hans Zimmer?
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"A while back, I blogged about composer Tyler Bates' blatant theft of Elliot Goldenthal's score to Titus (Bates ripped off several tracks and inserted them into his score for 300). Turns out I didn't make it up. There was a lawsuit and Elliot won. When caught, Bates (pictured above) said in an interview I read online somewhere that Elliot's music was used as a temp track, and everyone fell so in love with it that they just reorchestrated and rerecorded that music, rather than write something new, or -- hey geniuses -- pay to borrow a track."
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***I'm*** the tool? You're the one who came in here claiming to be a porn star, acting as if that gives you or your opinion any validity, and actually implying that was something to brag about, when in fact the exact opposite is the case. As for you not caring what people think of your career--clearly you do, or you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Obviously, you think that it lends some sort of credibility or meaning to your existence, and that people should respect or envy you for it, or else you wouldn't even have mentioned it. So don't act all nonchalant about it now, pretending someone's disdain for your class-less career choice doesn't bother you. I wouldn't trade my career for that of a pornographer for any amount of money--I prefer to have self-respect, thank you, and not to have the majority of the world consider me a disgusting lowlife who can't act. That you think anyone would envy you being a pornographer is ridiculous, and that you'd see it as bragging rights is even worse. Bottom line: You don't want people to comment on your choice of career? Don't broadcast it. (And as for your comment that I should ask Harry to vouch for you--since when has Harry been someone people would look to for credibility? Get real.)
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Feb 22, 2009 1:11:29 PM CST
Damn dude, given the music has been the worst thing about these
by drturing
Warner Bros. Pictures acknowledges and regrets that a number of the music cues for the score of "300" were, without our knowledge or participation, derived from music composed by Academy Award winning composer Elliot Goldenthal for the motion picture "Titus." Warner Bros. Pictures has great respect for Elliot, our longtime collaborator, and is pleased to have amicably resolved this matter.
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that Harry made things worse by overselling the clip. I can't speak for Turing, but I don't think Watchmen *should* be like TDK. It should be brightly coloured to contrast with the darkness in the story (which is why even the colouring on the original comi was brilliant).
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Now whether this is a good thing that actually helps the film or not is another thing entirely.
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Specifically the main theme from Pi. Could be wrong, of course.
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all i know is that youve been making some of the more intelligent comments here. And again, sorry if I was too hard on you about the whole SPirit thing.
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...What was the "cool moment"? Nite Owl jumping out of the Owlship and, contrary to all physical laws, such as, oh, GRAVITY, gliding down hundreds of feet instead of just plummeting just because he's wearing a cape? Uh... Harry... Joel Schumacher did the same crap in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. Christ this flick's going to be a complete disaster. Say goodbye to superhero movies for awhile after this stinks up screens across the nation. Zack Snyder: the mutant love child of McG and Michael Bay.
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Its for people who like to bitch and complain like Hollywood owes them something. And like they somehow own properties like Spidermn and Watchmen. They bitch and bitch and have nothing to show for it in their own lives. Its typical sideline criticism.
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Would have been a lot cooler if it were filmed as a one-take like the hallway fight in Old Boy, because that's what it reminded me of, except not as good.
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I just ragged on you for ragging on Eisner. Truce?
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Watchmen has the misfortune of coming out the week after the Jonas Brothers concert flick? My guess is that tween girls outnumber fanboys, and Watchmen will have to make do with second place in the BO. COuld be wrong, of course.
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they don't seem to have any trouble with those inmates. There Nite Owl and Silk Spectre have a casual conversation about Dan's feelings towards Rorscach, while dispatching attackers - like they have fucking superpowers. It doesn't even make that much sense now that I think about it. in this scene, at least I see why they didn't die on their first mission. But why is it so easy for them to handle a damn prison riot in the GN, when a few issues earlier, they tired out from some street thugs, I don't get.
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Let me make a comparison. A lover of Shakespeare would have every right to have nitpicked about the Mel Gibson Hamlet, which was on the surface faithful but really missed the point. That's what I feel is going on here.
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I've seen better throw downs between Buffy and Faith. There was nothing exceptional about this...Still goin' to see though.
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Feb 22, 2009 1:32:54 PM CST
Taking clips out of context is no way to judge the movie.
by knowthyself
I think its unfair to take clips and judge them like this. The film sets a tone that allows for these scenes to make more sense within the context of the film and the rest of the films musical score. WATCHMEN is more than the sum of its parts. Even in the comic that much is true.
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We wouldn't be having this conversation if Harry wasn't plugging the movie so much and insisting that this was "f*cking cool." I understand what you're saying, and I imagine if AICN was around in the 40s we would be nitpicking over scenes from The Maltese Falcon, but Harry started this by putting this out and saying how flipping great it was.
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I'd like to say that I would gladly trade my so called "career" for that of almost anyone involved in the heterosexual side of the adult film industry...janitor, driver, assistant DP (whole new meaning in that industry), lube assistant...anything. Anything but a fluffer that is. Now back to the Watchmen discussion...
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just had an image of Christian Bale doing porno... gives new meaning to "f*cking distracting!"
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Granted one could be hyped with a little more quiet reservation but this is harry's site...what can ya do?
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...Snyder is doing it clumsily and in Watchmen, a film where such commentary has no place. Also, to whoever asked why they dispatched the prison riot so easily in the GN, Nite Owl used some kind of sonic weapon in his Owlship which were referred to as "screechers" to pacify the prison population. Anyway, Snyder's effect crew did do a nice job on the Owlship, anyway.
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Sorry man, it's just a natural reaction when someone says something is awesome.
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still dont get the turing/universal connection.
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No matter what he did.He stayed as close as possible to the source material,including making it a two hour plus rated R film and he is still going to get dogged out on the internet by fanboys. I'm just going to wait and see for myself, but I think the guy atleast deserves the benefit of the doubt. I wasn't a huge 300 fan but his DOTD remake holds up very well. Atleast he went to bat and tried hard on this one.We'll see...
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Damnit, 300 was all style and no substance, and that clip reeked of more of the same from Snyder. I've spent more effort in video games taking down individual baddies than we're supposed to believe Silk Spectre and Nite Owl just spent on a room full of hardened criminals. Here's the thing, if you're gonna waste the audience's time with slo-mo trying to show something "cool" in a fight scene, at least actually use that time to show something cool rather than empty fight choreography.
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"NO MORE FUCKING SLO-MO!" God, it's progressed beyond crutch, it's a positive full-gimp Forrest Gump knee brace system for Snyder. Maybe they could have fit more into the movie without it, huh?
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You ARE taking the bait, Kurt (not that I was baiting you, mind you--but if I had been, you'd have taken it), because you mentioned the Playboy Playmates and Penthouse Pets in your reply, as if that was something you think a person should for some reason find impressive, which I don't. I'd take my wife over a Penthouse Pet any day--she's free of diseases, she's got her own body parts, she's not a fake-looking plastic bimbo and she's not out banging people just because it can get her money or further her so-called career. As for my career, I didn't consciously not mention it, so there's nothing hypocritical about that. It just didn't occur to me to do so since it's no more relevant to this discussion than your career is. For the record, since you asked, I'm a writer and editor--which I doubt you really care about, nor should you, since it doesn't lend any validity to MY opinions. And that's the last I'll say on the subject, before it turns into a flame war, since you're absolutely correct that we should keep this about Watchmen.
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maybe i'm just not as smart as some of you. but if something is shit and retarded in one movie, say batman & robin, why would a sane director copy paste it in his own movie? just so we could all point our fingers at batman & robin and say 'ha ha' in nelson's voice?
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music was bad, slow-mo is really fucked out when not used to highlight certain events and it wasn't at all violent. There was no adrenaline in that at all - then again we're only watching a clip and we don't know how it fits in with all before it so I'm gonna cross my fingers and wait till 3/6.
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Feb 22, 2009 1:54:34 PM CST
kurt - i think the screechers are supposed to be heard in the ba
by wookie1972
which is why the techno music ruins the effect. If it had been symphonic music, or better yet nothing but the sound of the screechers, it might have worked.
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Let me get this right: These six people are such legendary crimefighters that they can damn near control an entire city, known around the world, still legendary twenty years later, and five of them can be mentioned in the same breath with a literal God. Clearly modeled on typical take-out-a-roomful-of-thugs superheroes, who we've loved for decades. Then two of them take out a corridor full of baddies in a scene we'd applaud if it was Tony Jaa doing it, and it's some kind of evidence that Zack Snyder doesn't know what he's doing. What a laugh. I read the Watchmen when it first came out, one week at a time, and my biggest complaint was that Gibbons and Moore cut the action short. In a static comic, you can do that for a point. But in a film, all you'd do is make people wonder what the hell was so special about these people in the first place. Some of you guys want a superhero movie without superheros. Then if you got it, you'd complain about that too. Watchmen won't be perfect, but it looks like a stunningly respectful adaptation of a wonderful work. Please, please please, if you hate what you see, don't go. The rest of us will help it break records crossing the 100 million mark, which it will within two weeks. This is gonna rock.
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The clips over the last week have been rather disappointing.They seem to have abandoned Rorschach's style of speech and his character doesn't seem right to me.Harry has never been reliable when it comes to having objective judgement...but this IS a bit over the top even for him.I was watching this clip and kept waiting for the awesome moment.I said a while ago that we'll probably end up with a movie that LOOKS a lot like Watchmen but is lacking in most of the ideas and characterizations that made us all love the book so much.We'll see...but this does not bode well.
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the only sense of hope i've had for this film thus far also stemmed from the use of Muse in the early trailer... and this little clip here isn't helping matters in the least. honestly, fat man... what the hell is so awesome about seeing a clip for Final Fight Guy: The Movie? maybe i'm just missing something here.
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When 300 came out, he was genuinely shocked that people might read political meaning into it. He also showed a staggering amount of cognitive dissonance over whether or not it was "historically accurate." Lots of pretty pictures but little going on there, IMHO.
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before wading into the fray was a real turn-off; it screamed "Batman and Robin" -- NOT "The Watchman". Ugh.
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so very wrong,but i am bored to explain.
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So they can fight good. So can Rocky.
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I've never read Watchmen, but now I might. So I have no expectations about this movie, don't know what would be right or wrong for it, so from a purely 'no expectations' POV, what I got from that was bad music, made for tv lighting, a cardboard looking set, and HORRIBLE fucking music. I thought the actual shots and the pacing were well done, but they weren't serviced well by the lighting, the set, and the music. I like that you can tell what's going on in the fight, as someone else said, but the overall feeling is one of a rip-off of The Matrix, obviously not in content, since this came first, but in style. I don't know, I'll probably get flamed, I'm just saying, those are my impressions having zero expectations and just wanting this to be a great movie because obviously everyone agrees the source material is excellent. As far as putting my opinion in perspective, I loved Iron Man, liked The Dark Knight, and thought the Incredible Hulk was good, but would have been a helluva lot better had they put back in two or three of those deleted scenes. I HATE all the Spiderman movies and thought Superman Returns was just ok. Favorite superhero movie is still the original Superman.
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...seriously man, at what point are you maybe going to start realizing that your judgment is seriously biased and impaired? Your reviews are famous for being sycophantic rantings, and you've lapped up so many foul and mediocre movies that it's become what you're famous for. Even by AICN standard, you're the one reviewer who is known for frequently getting it wrong. Massa, Capone, Beaks, all these guys own you. Have you ever thought about doing a little self-reflection and thinking, "Hmmm, maybe what everyone keeps pointing out about me is actually *gasp* correct!". Seriously, you can be a geek (aren't we all?) but you need to raise the bar on your tastes, because something is seriously off. Try to work on your judgment instead of being the quintessential fanboy who laps up any pig-slop or shít sandwich the studios feed you. The few times you've actually slammed a film have been when it's so blatantly, godawfully bad that even a lobotomized chimpanzee can tell. Get with the program and rescue some of your credibility, Harry because right now, you practically don't have any left.
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instead of squid, we get big bad bay explosion.
instead of lite & romantic fire rescue, we get action-packed fire rescue
instead of walking through the prison hall in search of rorschach, we get action-packed fighting with the inmates.
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just to rant about the idiotic academy which is going to give, as always,the awards to those who dont deserve it but are the big studios capital.
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which (for those of you who didn't watch Seinfeld) is the male version of a bimbo. His films follow the mimbo formula: glossy veneer but not a whole lot going on underneath.
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per Cinemascopian:
Supporting Actress
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Supporting Actor
Documentary Feature
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snyder totally talked up how he and frank miller love victor davis hanson, which gives a lot away. i think snyder is one of those ayn randian / self actualizing bodybuilding nerds who probably loves frank frazetta. btw, will he ever make a movie in which a major black character survives?
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Do the they use the 'Spock Vs Kirk' music over a fight scene? That would be cool!
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Obviously a paid mouthpiece for certain films and studios.
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It doesn't really matter what we say here on this TB, does it? Because all of us, lovers, haters and squidders alike, will be there on the 6th with a large tray of nachos and a 7-up. They've already got our money. This movie stands of falls on two things - word of mouth and repeat business (the one begets the other). If enough of the subtext and subtlety of Moore's plotting comes through, then the 'casuals' who so loved TDK will hear about it and turn up. If it's merely flashy slo-mo and shiny costumes and little else, then it dies on it's arse in three weeks.We'll just have to wait and see for ourselves, won't we? Me, I'm going to an iMax showing in London with an open mind. Like Alan Moore said, they can't really 'ruin' the graphic novel because there it is on the shelf right behind me.
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At least until after the credits.
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he always speak his own mind, good or bad. he doesnt care that we all think our taste in movies is better than his. and that's part of harry's appeal. and that why we love to hang out here. the guy is full of love. we kick him in the nuts all the time, and he gives us back nothing but hugs.
try hanging out in chud a while. the dungheap is run by a tyrant overlord who think he's better than anyone in the net when actually his taste is just as retarded as the worst of us. and the guy is full hate. he's like harry's exact opposite. -
I have never watched From Hell,V for Vendetta and LXG,and i am not fucking going to watch Watchmen.
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Seriously, what's with all the anti "no-slow mo, just this once, please" sentiment?
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This looks nothing like The Watchmen that I grew up with. Where the hell is the spirit of the book at? These are not realistic heroes. Gah, this looks so off base. It's fucking 300 dressed up in Nightowl's clothing.
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If Snyder was smart, he would be channelling the spirits of Martin Scorsese and Thelma Schumacher when he shoots and cuts Rorschach's fights scenes. I always imagined him fighting like Leo from the Departed (the scene where he grabs the coat wrack and spears it into the Mafioso), Joe Pesci from Casino (when he grabs the pen and starts jabbing it into the neck of that one guy) and Deniro in Cape Fear (when Max Cady beated the crap out of those guys who Nolte hired to rough him up, because he was much more vicious than them and he pain didn't bother him). Rorschach never was considered a very good "technical" fighter in the comics - he was just so damn more violent than any one else. I mean here is a character who went all Hannibal Lector as a kid on a bully and started chewing his face off. He better not be pulling out kung fu moves.
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i agree that Harry does love movies,but when u announce with all the glory that a mediocre at best, movie clip is FUCKIN COOL,then you expose yourself and give the right to your visitors, to criticize u and claim even that u are a promotional whore of the studios.
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are doing far more harm then good. I'm still hoping for a great movie but my expectations have been lowered considerably.
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That wasn't a fight, that was foreplay. Nite Owl and Silk Spectre was seriously getting off on whopping those guys. Notice how they smiled with glee at the prospect of kicking ass. Hell I bet if they didn't have to fetch Rorschach they'd have found a cell bed and banged each other harder than the thugs littering the floor.
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its not slo mo, its using slo mo in EVERY FRICKING SCENE.
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admittedly it's Coppola, not Scorsese, but for pure fury there's nothing like Sonny Corleone beating on his brother-in-law.
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only one director is allowed to do slow motion and that's Brian De Palma
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you are right about rorscach.i wonder how much the audience is going to be exposed at his objectionist philosophy of life.
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wookie = Yeah, Sonny is a guide template for Rorschach's fighting style. I would also add Viggio from Cronenberg's History of Violence (although he actually might be TOO violent even for Rorschach.
ominus = I don't have much faith in them having Rorschach be this exploration into objectivism. Call if my lack of faith in Hollywood big budget features, but I have a feeling they will have pushed Snyder to make Rorschach much more "likable" instead of the self-righteous, judgemental prick we all love to hate. -
I will be there on premiere day.
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While you may be right in the sense that they already have our money because, let's face it, we're all showing up for Watchmen even if we complain about it and hate it....our opinion DOES matter, regardless of the box office. Two examples - we were all going to go to Indy 4 anyway, right? In spite of the bitching and complaining, we went in droves and Lucas made a pile of cash. However, the film is widely recognized to be a shít sandwich with just a few redeeming features. It's known far and wide as a disappointment, and the only people who don't think so are the deluded fanboys and teenagers with no developed taste. On the other hand, Dark Knight made all that dough, but is also widely beloved and will always be acclaimed. Big difference....so, while Watchmen will take our cash, its fate has yet to be decided.
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This is what I was expecting from this flick. Slowed action to capture the framing of the comic. The reason for the slow-mo in this and 300 is to frame the shots like a comic book, allowing someone to dwell on the action. Hack, though? I wouldn't say that. He's not making House Party 3, or Beastmaster 4 straight to DVD just for the cash. He's making filmic versions of the comics.Also, the scene in the prison with the pair 'rescuing' Rorschach was about Big Figure getting killed, and Rorschach getting to kill a bunch of criminals, not what Nite Owl and Silk Spectre had to do to get to him, which is why there's only a panel dedicated to show that part of it.Another example would be in the Superman comics (pre Crisis) where the destruction of Krypton was just two panels, yet takes up about 30 minutes of on-screen time.More of the Watchmen is fine. Nothing on this clip was 'awesome' though. I don't know what was being referred to, other than the weird sound that I guess was supposed to be Archie's 'Screech-Cannon'.Snyder seems to give a shit, and the other stuff floating around about the flick over on Facebook is good. The audio files with the Comedian crying to Moloch are fucking fantastic.Can't wait.
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You obviously don't have a fucking clue about filmmaking in general, and slo-mo in particular, you moron.Congrats to your ignorance.
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From Hell was average, V For Vendetta made a decent fist of it and LXG was risible. However, I still saw them all out of curiosity and to talk about them afterwards with my missus, who has never read a comic book / graphic novel in her life. We see the movie, crack open a bottle and talk about what worked and what didn't. Thus, things gets kicked around between a geek and a sane woman, which makes for an interesting after-movie drink or two. Chap, they will never, ever make a perfect translation from a written (or graphic) novel to a movie. There are just too many nuances available to the written word. The closest I ever saw was 'Silence Of The Lambs', yet even there tons of subtlety was omitted. It had to be. How do you do 'thoughts' in a movie without resorting cheesy dream sequences or flashbacks? All we can do is either go along and cross our fingers or avoid them altogether.I admire your resolution and devotion to Alan Moore, though. Me, I'm just too curious. So's the wife. I think she's just going along this time to see a giant blue cock...
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OK I'll tell, but I just want to warn you, it's dry... I'm an old computer science geek. CS majors may not even study this anymore for all I know.
The play on words there is: Dr Alan Turing, the Mathematician is famous for inventing a formal logic theory on the fundamentals of computers. ( In 9132 before there were "real" computers... he's often thought of as one of the founders of computation. ) Anyway... His research was called a "Turing Machine" which is an abstract logical process that can simulate the logic of a computer program.
A Turing machine that can simulate another turing machine is called a UNIVERSAL turing machine.
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It's not 9132 of course, but 1932, and even that's wrong... 1936 was the date his work was published according to wikipedia.
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I'd heard of Turing, didn't know what a Universal Turing Machine was, though. It's a good line.
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It's clear that 90-95% of people on this talkback have responded NEGATIVELY to this particular clip - a scene, I might add, that has been released specifically to excite people and increase audience anticipation. It had completely failed in its purpose. Something's gone seriously wrong.Even those few people who approve of this clip aren't exactly enthusing about it either - they tend to say, "wait until you see how it fits in with the rest of the movie" etc. Well, they may be right. I hope they are.But there still remains the problem that Warner have released this clip, thinking that it will PROMOTE the movie rather than put people off - which is what it is in fact doing. Major problem.And this scene might just be the BEST the movie has to offer. Which is why they're using it to "attract" an audience.Not to mention that WE are supposed to be the main target audience. After all, we are fans of the comic book - have probably read it several times - and are eagerly waiting for the film adaptation.And we're seriously disappointed with what they're showing us.Either Warner have got their marketing completely SCREWED UP - or worse, they just don't have anything better to show us.
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Why go to the effort of 1 on 1 they should have just released gas to knock everyone out, that would make sense?
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So I watched the video and comcerning the moment that should have made me pee my pants, all I can say is.... where is it, and what is it?
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Okay, taking a second look at this clip...the truly amazing thing is that it's generating hits for MTV's site, and getting people face-raped by that piece of garbage Uninvited commercial just before it.I can forgive Harry's enthusiasm. I'm enthusiastic that they're even TRYING to make Watchmen into a movie. Just the very same way I was enthusiastic to watch Robbie Knevel try to jump the fountain in front of that Vegas hotel...because either way, succeed or fail, it will be a spectacle. (Robby didn't make the jump, which was awful, and terrifying, but it was a spectacle.)I noticed above that someone said they never saw V for Vendetta. I saw it in the theater, and what I saw drove me to buy the two disc version on DVD. The Wachowskis did an alright job of bringing a very TALKY book into the realm of film without becoming a complete disaster.But these clips are not the best parts of this movie. We have yet to see Silk Spectre/Comedian in the 40s. We have yet to see Comedian's midnight confession to Moloch. We have yet to see the last moments of Ozymandias' servants. (All of which are in this film.) There are things that were cut out...for time, or for aesthetic. Because on the page, they WORK. On screen, they don't. I'm referring to the Under the Hood segments and the Black Freighter segments in the book being possible because they all share the same milieu, books.What you see in clips right now, are what press people want you to see. It's not like Snyder's saying 'Shit, cobble out some of this flick to MTV, but be sure it's just a mindless action sequence put in there for no reason, so chumps online can bitch and speculate!'Zack Snyder is a competent director. And 300, sorry guys, but it was an entertaining film based on a historically inaccurate and short one-off by an overhyped artist/writer. And, because it was so damned faithful, Snyder was a good choice. (I would have creamed my jeans if Terry Gilliam would have ignored his conscience and just made the flick, but the world works in mysterious ways).I'm there in IMAX on day one. This year's Little Miss Dark Knight, I'm calling it!
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Anyone? As all I get is a perptually looped Adidas advert.
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Guess I'll hafta turn in my Login name, cuz this clip sure doesn't qualify.
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What is "the moment" then? Looks like a load of Snyderistic crap to me.
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You can apply that to this clip, this talkback, or even AICN itself these days.
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That was nothing! 300 was like a wet dream of "slowest" motion, that was just well done action there, well, not the greatest, but those two are exactly supposed to be in their prime either. As far as labeling Snyder a commercial director for life, I think his take on action makes more sense that most...I mean, remember the 80's, when you could SEE the fight scenes? Fast paced, 'can't follow it' action has been so dominate in American cinema for the past 20 years...save Michael Mann's Heat, but that was still freakin' 13 years ago.
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and came out like Danny Devito and not Arnold Schwarznegger. Hyper-stylized is beyond passe. Yes I am aware of the irony that the word passe is itself passe. Zack Snyder... you done fucked this shit up, this movie just got demoted from "See-in-theatre" done to "DVD Rental", but if I find out all the action is like this its going down to "Watch it on the movie channel".
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Feb 22, 2009 3:50:21 PM CST
The scene is alright visually, but whats fucking awful is the sc
by virtual_ninja
The music sounds like it belongs in a fucking street fighter or Fast and the Furios movie, just fucking awful techno/metal trash. I also think this scene is heavily edited, they must have cut out all the R stuff in it, but man I hope thats just temp music.
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It just doesn't have any soul, any danger to it. If there was any sense that the two were threatened at all, but it just... ugh. Every time I watch it, the less I like it.
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I is like is look cools it does also yes.
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Do I have to have a high-school level of film appreciation to find this "fucking cool"? Or even mildly entertaining? That was the cheesiest clip I've seen from anything in a very long time. I kept waiting for the payoff; I figured "Well, this can't possibly be what is supposed to be cool, something has to happen at the end or something that's actually worthwhile/semi-original/at the very least simply LOOKS decent, even if it's incredibly stupid."
I love how kung-fu is the preferred fighting style of every super hero these days- along with apparently every bank-robber, prison inmate, and police officer. Oh, and I also love how the slightest kick to the midsection or the weakest touch of a forearm instantly knocks someone out. And doesn't just knock them out, but renders them unconscious and completely motionless for the entire duration of a scene, no matter how long. Oh wait, actually I hate those things."Suspension of disbelief" ends for me when the same tired techniques and spoon-fed concepts are used as a crutch for decades. I can excuse it for the first 30 years of cinema, but after that it's just time to grow up. There are plenty of ways to make that scene "cool" without it just being borderline laughable, as it is now. I'm not a purist; I don't mind slow-motion in my action movies or comic movies. And I don't mind the overblown nature of comic movies. I know that this is the ridiculous, utterly illogical way that things happen in comics. I "get" it. But there's a way to make it stylize and meaningfully translate that to the medium of film, and then there's a way to just say "look how badass our cool characters are, kids," as the characters smile and wink to the camera to show how amused they are by how much fun they're going to have kicking the asses of a dozen faceless jobbers.
Come on, we've seen this. It's not amusing, not "cool", and it's not excusable "just because this is how it happens in the comic"... but sadly enough it will make money. There's still a market for this crap, and Hollywood's not gonna fix it if it's still putting money in their pockets. But this looks way too asinine for me to dumb myself down enough to enjoy. -
It's like you cried for years to make the movie, then complained at every scene. Your state of Happy, is Unhappy.
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So how can they do that stuff? Snyder is a frickin joke. Visionary indeed.
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The term 'visionary director' just got a 500-yard restraining order against Snyder.
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Pi's main theme is from a techno group,not mansells.so i dont think that bates has ripped something from mansells music.
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...is much better than this. What amazed me about the book is how down-to-earth and realistic it made the world of superheroes. This just looks like X-Men with more slow-mo and no superpowers.
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nerds... nerds... nerds... Nerds... Nerds... NERDS... NERDS... NERS... NERDS!
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shit!
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if Harry is truly a fan of the GN,and his reaction for this videoclip,was that much exaggerating,then he is the best example of what i said previously about how Snyder is trying to sell the movie to an audience which is impressed by the visuals but doesnt demand content.
Harry is an adult,but not in his mind.he still acts like a kid.And when he saw his childhood characters came alive with pretty lights,colours,sounds and music in this clip,and instead of judging this scene with a bit of logic and artistic criteria,he turns into Snyders bitch and shouts like a little kid who discovered that his teddy bear can talk.
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So I skipped the headline before watching the clip, it looks like Neo and Trinity are trying to save Morpheus from... Jail it looks like. When did they get those gay ass costumes?
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If Snyder wasn't so gay for slo-mo but I gues that's what makes him so "visionary" Fucking please.
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I was excited about Episode One. I was also excited, believe it or not, about Burton's Planet Of The Apes. But this is, just, ugh.
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he is totally professional and take his work very seriously! No fucking amateur load master is Bale..Fuck no....he trash whatever needed trashing, kick asses and wouldn't need to take a walk or anything...he'd just deliver on time on target...THAT is fucking professionalism. Now..I've watched this clip again...still looks far to Matrix-y, and ever since I noticed the shoe swap, I'm pulled completely out of this movie...it is just such a silly mistake..IT IS FUCKING AMATEUR!
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They owe me 30 dollars of entertainment everytime I go to the movies, you fucking dolt. Considering how stiff the competition from cheaper entertainment is at the moment, they should probably start listening to the bitching and whining and start delivering. Or just concentrate on crap like Paul Blart, which, I guess a retard like you would say, is what real lovers of film want to see.
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The costumes look straight out of that Billy Zane superhero flick with the purple spandex. I can't take a movie seriously if it doesn't take itself seriously. There are ways to convert comic book costumes to reality and without taking those steps, you will end up with this garbage. I really enjoyed Zak Snyder's Dawn of the Dead and I was entertained by 300, but not to the point of most people. I may see this because of the source material, but I am not excited by anything I've seen to this point.
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I'm actually glad this clip sucked. I needed some lowered expectations. Love this site, but Harry's opinions mean nothing to anyone who has been checking it for more than a year.
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u dont understand something.everything in the GN,EVERYTHING,even the smallest detail,were put in the comic book to serve a purpose.even how they were depicted in the comic,they were serving a reason.
the squid,silver silk 2 smoking, Manhattan hanging around with his penis out,the rescue from the fire on the building,the fight of owl nite and SS2 in the jail,all of these they were serving their purpose.
but when u start not putting those little things in the movie,then u start losing the vision of the original work,u bastardize it,u vandalize it,u transform it into something else.
its like cooking a food.lets say a spinach pie.u have the receipe,u know the ingredients,but u dont cook it the same way,because u want the pie to be eaten and like by as many people as possible.
so u start messing with the ingredient,u start changing the receip.u dont add salt but instead sugar,u remove rice and u add meat,etc etc.at the end u will make a pie,which will resemble a spinach pie,it might be tasteful and approved by most of the people,but it is not going to be the receipts original pie. -
i know where the term came from - i know eisner created it - my point was that now everything is considered a graphic novel whether it is or isnt - people use the term because they dont like to say "comic book" - there's a fraphic novel section full of comics (trade paperbacks) in every book store - the term became appealing to the masses right around the time miller made a splash with his batman trades - and no disrespect to eisner, but "a contract with god" is no "novel" graphic or otherwise - its a collection of unrelated stories that share the same theme - opinions are like ass holes - everyone's got one
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with nothin' but a hammer can do the same thing
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that makes Watchmen great. Not the intellectual story, the wonderful and believable characterization, not the incredibly adept social commentary. It's just the ass kicking. Thank god TPTB understand that and give us clip after clip of ass kicking.
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Looked meh to me. I'm rabid to see this, but that clip was not orgasmic.
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Dunno, as cool as this will be, it has all been done before and will so many times again. I need something . . . new in movies, but I've seen too much already. I envy you still-to-be-born movie goers.
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i wasnt referring to box office in terms of this surpassing tdk - i was referring to the movie itself - tdk set the bar higher for superhero movies, watchmen looks like it might reach that bar and maybe pass it slightly - imo
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...so worth a watch, - a guilty pleasure..you know its a bit limp and you hope its tongue in cheek..but probably isn't meant to be
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i never said comic book companies/publishers are throwing the term graphic novel around inappropriately - i thought i made it clear in my original post on the subject that i was referring to people that dont read comics - that would include studio execs - reread my post
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... (when batman gets maroni/eric roberts) if isolated and shown out of context before the movie's release wouldve gotten the same disrespect that this clip is getting - you cant judge the entire movie on this clip
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is this clip considered a movie spoiler? its just a segment of a fight,we dont have a plot exposure of any kind.
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we know the context of this scene,we have read the comic,so we know about what we are talking.
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Guys in big plastic suits CAN use martial arts, you whiny bitch.
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would the batpod sequence have gotten that reaction? the prison fight is one of the big action beats in the film, it's already been said. likewise, the eric roberts bar sequence was not wildly out of tone with the world that the nolans made.
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A lot of posts have happened since my earlier one today about the MTV clip, but I wanted to respond. I DID see MTV back in the day, and remember it well, so I know exactly what they were going for and all the little visual references to the real MTV. It's not the accuracy that I'm disputing. It's the tone. As someone said, including Rorschach in a cutesy, meaningless 'countdown' totally misrepresents the street level feeling towards costumed heroes. And including the graffiti as a title for the sequence is a complete co-opting of the book's message (and the message of the actual grafitti) that wouldn't have been done in the book. I would have rather seen an MTV-type thing with Knot-Tops and something about the Pale Horse concert or a fully realized 'Nostalgia' commercial done in an 80s style. If you're going for a viral piece that's supposed to represent the pop culture world of Watchmen, there are much smarter things that could have been done and still remained in the spirit of the book. Like I said, the newsreel and 'Keene Act and You' did reflect the Watchmen world well, whereas this doesn't. And, just out of curiosity, and assuming you really are a retired pornstar, who was your favorite co-star to work with?
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...it really seems like a parody of Watchmen straight out of The Critic. And by that I mean, it stinks. Alan Moore was right... again.
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as someone said in another thread that they were disappointed that the clip with Nite Owl and Rorschach took out the line where Nite Owl says 'you don't know how hard it is to be your friend' - and it made no sense why they would take out the crucial line of the scene. I felt the same way when they took out the line that Laurie says to the guy who's reluctant to leave the building, calling him an asshole. I love that line because it shows that there can certainly be tension between superhero and civilian in that rescue situation, that superheroing isn't always glamorous, and sometimes you have to be harsh (or at least she chooses to be - also it's a pretty good clue about her true parentage....). Maybe they edited it out from the clip so it could be viewed by anyone, but I'm worried that so much is going to be sacrificed for the sake of 'coolness' and showing 'heroics' and that these little things DO add up to something that Snyder is missing. Watchmen was about deconstructing 'heroics' not celebrating them. I really hope Snyder got that.
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yes - the batpod scene too - in fact - when the batpod was glimpsed in the trailers and some isolated clips by friends of mine (before the movie's release) they thought it looked ridiculous - some still do - they argue its functionality and practicality - its tires are so big the thing bounces uncontrollably - but i let such things slide, in order to enjoy such a movie - using your words - n my opinion this scene "is not wildly out of tone with the world snyder created" - and fuck you for calling me a douche bag because i have an opinion you disagree with
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I think if you're judging the movie based on one action scene, you're reaching too far...Watchmen works not because of action but because of the way it breaks down the superhero format. If Snyder can do that, I'm sold.
I thought the scene was nice to watch but it was nothing I haven't seen before. Context is everything, of course. I like the scene where they look at each other and smile--that's true to the comic, the way fighting made them come alive again.
By the way, can we have a moratorium on mentioning The Dark Knight in every single talkback? It's kind of annoying. TDK was a fine movie, but it's not a world-changer. It's not the movie to judge everything else by and it's not the greatest movie ever made or even of the year...in fact, it's got a major structural flaw in that its third act is a shoe-horned rush to fit in plots that would have been more fitting in a separate film. -
Feb 22, 2009 6:00:46 PM CST
I would bet all these losers bitching about this scene will be
by slimballs
first in line to see this film. Fucking loser cunts bitching about anything and everything because they have nothing better to do. If you don't like the site or what you're seeing for this movie, go somewhere else and go back to the comic.
I'm sick of all the negativity on this site. Losers who will never achieve anything in their lives bitching about people they wish they could be.
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But no, You've become negative yourself! They've poisoned you. Turn that frown upside down.
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...that part at the beginning, where the prisoner sees two costumed people at the opposite end of the hallway who seemingly have nothing to do with the riot and in no way are impeding the prisoners trying to break out, and so, following that logic, abandons the huge group and decides to simply run straight at them all by himself. This part did not, however, make me scream "fucking cool."
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You guys love you some Alan Moore. But this isn't a novel. It's a movie. Shit, you think I want to see a panel-for-panel remake of every word on the page?I do, but I have a reasonable expectation of the world's view of my status as a comic book nerd. The world outside the internet, outside of comics, and outside of our little text-filled shoutboxes thinks we're silly, infantile, and ultimately gullible.And guess what, chums? The outside world, the 'them' instead of 'us'? They run shit for real. We just run a lot of the technical shit. The douche that slapped the books out of your hands, or tried to and got an elbow in his face and a shoe in his ribs is still out there, only his aggressive tard nature got him a modicum of power out there.Those assholes run shit in Hollywood. So, unless you get a maverick producer giving people a shot at making original shit, you're going to have to settle for hat the majority of Americans is going to see the squid and laugh at it, like your science projects were laughed at, or your unnatural affinity for bowling shirts with dragons on them. Or your man-love for anime, genre films, or any other number of things.There are too many normies out there and not enough nerds to make your slavish devotion to the novel a reality.So, bitch, kvetch and moan, cry that the whole movie is an abortion waiting to happen. The normies will make this a winner.
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This whole thing would look ridiculous, and not just that clip either. Watchmen worked as a deconstruction of comics, trying to take that and twist it into a deconstruction of comic book movies will fly over the movie going publics head. This movie will bomb, and hard.
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Feb 22, 2009 6:15:49 PM CST
Snyder apologists dumbfounded by clip, have nothing to say
by dancingforever
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I'll probably see it first day, but I certainly won't be first in line. I won't be in costume (although if anyone goes as Doc M, they should get in from for free. As for the "normies," they could care less. I am not convced in the slightest that this will be a huge hit. The tweens going to Jonas Brothers could easily outnumber the crowds for Watchmen.
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I really dislike it. Sorry, I just... the actress is so bad, and there's something off about it. BTW, for a good superheroes as rock stars thing, check out Greatest Hits. It's really not bad.
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Animation isn't bad, but the nu metal soundtrack is horribly inappropriate.
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Now, THAT would make an awesome HBO series, and Rueben Flagg is yet another role that Jon Hamm was born to play.
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owl guy punches generic bad guy, super-girl kicks someone else.... all in slow motion with shitty music. wow.
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fanboys are gonna come out hardcore for this. but every girl i know who wanted to see 300 does not have this on their must see list. my feeling is this film is going to polarize fanboys; the people who really love watchmen are going to hate it, but the broader base of fanboys will like it.
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and 84 mil foreign, with a 85 budget. Not a great success. IF Watchmen does that, it would be a disappointment (although I think the budget is not over 100).
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Fanboys are just another subset of the audience, like the tweens who love the Jonas Bros. and Tyler Perry fans (apparently there are some). On the basis of this, i don't see Watchmen breaking out like TDK.
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Personally, it looks like a weak imitation of the story I wanted to see, and so I won't be wasting my time or money seeing it. Is it really so hard to believe that there are comic book fans out there who WON'T automatically buy a ticket for any movie with a cape and a recognizable geek brand name?
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although the first one didnt make its budget back domestically either.
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That just made me think..."Meh."
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Having any interest in this whatsoever. In fact the whole concept as a movie probably just sems perplexing. If it turns out to be an intelligent, quality film, word of mouth MIGHT turn some people towards it. But there's enough mindless action flicks out there that a movie set in alternate 1985 with superheroes most people never even heard of (in a market already saturated by super hero movies and superhero bombs) is going to have to do a lot more than just be "kick ass." I can't quite explain why, but the vibe I'm most getting, as far as audience appetite for this flick, is similar to atmosphere surrounding the reboot of the Incredible Hulk.
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Hellboy 2, sold out screenings all night, packed geekhouse, remember it was a few weeks before that big summer movie and the geeks were all amped up? And by the end of the film indifference reigned, some people liking it a lot with a bunch of others disatissfied saying it was too weird. I loved it. For me, I'm not going to see Watchmen - based upon the clips presented, the interviews done, and the fact that Alan Moore wouldn't give his blessing. Moore did give his blessing to Hayter's script as best he could. I'll netflix it someday, sure.
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the clip makes me want to smash bad guys. I dig this movie. Screw the haters.
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Tepid is the only word that comes to mind. I mean, don't get me wrong, i'm totally psyched for this picture though but as per usual, i'm baited by Harry's overuse of hyperbole. Did you know this talkback posting made me shit not one, but two bricks with it's excellence?!? FUCKING COOL!
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Feb 22, 2009 7:44:21 PM CST
It would have been cooler if HARRY hadn't said LOOK FOR THE COOL
by chadiwack
Yeah I thought it was a good scene, I don't have a problem with slo/mo or Flying hair or the way someone's cape flaps... or if we have seen this sort of fight in the Matrix,Batman,300 or MOST films where there is a group fight scene. You can all slam it and bitch and moan but in the end of the day..YOU ALL will still buy a ticket and spend your cash on this movie. Still, i"m not exactly sure what the "COOL" moment was?? Can you please be more specific Harry?!?!
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fucking awful. The shity techno music just made it more awful. Mind you, I'm only judging from he clip. But if the whole movie is like this, then this year we just might see the most expensive B movie of this generation.
Oh, I thought the Comic was overrated by the way. Yes, I call it a comic, because despite what "crtics" say, Watchmen is NOT a novel.
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yes - i love chaykin - i really like his blackhawk comics - and his shadow comics were cool
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Feb 22, 2009 7:53:00 PM CST
Aaaaand what happens when you mix a fratboy with geek literature
by a priori
You get a nu-metal, bro-extreme, Mountain Dew fuckin' mess. How can anyone read Alan Moore's work and conjure in his head a car commercial set to the beat of nu-metal and rave trash? (Well, maybe its appropriate for that creepy kiddie porn Moore just wrote. Hell, Snyder's time-ramped, taste-vacuum approach to film-making might actually work for a Lost Girls movie.)
Seeing this clip, its no great wonder why "visionary" Zack Snyder is so cuddly with the suits: he takes good properties and runs them through the nu-metal, skateboard xtreme grinder just like they do! He's the studio's dream! They finally got a guy tasteless guy that the equally tasteless fan boys love despite the fact he date-rapes other smarter, more talented individual's work, same as he did in the frat house.
Honestly, I'm sure he's a nice guy, but to put it lightly, Snyder's got more ambition than ability. He'd surely make a fine Gobots or Power Rangers movie. And Harry, I can understand liking the clip (kinda), but getting THAT excited over Night Owl riding on a bad midi-synth, time ramp rocket? That literally embarrassed me to the point I'm anticipating slow-mo nightmares. This clip was worse than those shameful Bill and Ted Shows at Universal Studios.
The only excuse I can come up with for Snyder is that he might have read Watchmen under a strobe light while listening to bad rave jams lifted from anti-drug commercials. Of course, he might also be autistic. In which case I feel bad. But not half so bad as Alan Moore, I'm sure.
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the VeeJay is Malin Akerman... it's supposed to be bad. It's a mock segment of course, and having Malin play her is even better. All of those segments on MTV back in the day were live and sloppily delivered with all the cheesy music and stuff.
Check out the former love of my life Martha Quinn ( one of the original MTV Veejays ) in this clip. You'll see what I mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGvsZmFnFlw
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Gay. Period.
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And 90% of other modern 'action' films. Not saying the movie overall will be as good, but at least Snyder actually shows what's happening. Slow motion is a hell of a lot better than frenetic editing.
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Not using slo-mo does not mean using frenetic, unclear editing. Smart, dynamic, flowing direction is not automatically excluded when you forego excessive slo-mo gimmicks. To say that he, "At least shows what's happening" is a lame post-hoc rationalization. You dont need constant slo-mo for the viewer to understand what's happening. Snyder's gimmicks come from the very same MTV-style, late 90s, avant garde crapola that brought you the frenetic editing you complain about. Great for shooting quirky shoe commercials, not so good for storytelling and effective narrative.
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....good on ya. You nailed it. The most sensible man on the forum.
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most people don't know Watchmen, haven't even heard of it beyond the geek circles. Hell, I hadn't even heard of it myself until maybe 2 or 3 years ago, and had no clue what to make of it. The film will make about 100 mil, that's about it. Not a smash.
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why is everyone in the scene ignoring them?
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Silk Spectre is smokin hot.
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Moore is a cunt. A talented cunt, but a cunt. I don't care what he endorses. I loved V for Vendetta (the film), but he shit all over that.
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Nothing especially exciting there, and how lame are the takedowns? Nightowl gives one guy the wussiest gutpunch ever and he falls over! Was expecting Roschach to make an entrance somewhere.
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Feb 22, 2009 9:48:03 PM CST
Moore's disapproval has nothing to do with the movie itself
by greenstyle92
It just goes back to his original deal with DC to publish, and he felt screwed over by it. So no, he won't approve the movie either.
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After a second viewing, it wasn't so bad. To be perfectly honest, the action doesn't really bother me (except Silk Spectre's occasionally over-the-top l33t ninja pose). Neither does the slo-mo. My only beef is really that such ridiculous badassery seems out of character for these two as I understood them from the comics. However, I did kinda like that "man, I forgot how fun it was to kick people's asses" smirk they gave each other at the end. That was kinda cool.
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Based on what I have seen, this is a rental at best.
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Just to make sure that if this was massively kewl still.
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But yes, I wanted to.
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Was the fucking point. It does seem out of character for those two to be whooping ass like that, but it's only one clip. I'm just saying if I wanted an incoherent ass beating like Bourne, I'd watch the Bourne movies.
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This article's been up all day and still no explanation of what exactly "fucking cool" happens. I don't buy the screechers theory, just sounds like the soundtrack and not part of the sounds going on in within the movie itself. It's too random.
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http://tinyurl.com/4angkx
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Wow, I have seen better martial arts at age 15 in my lame tae kwon do class. BORING, Yeah, what was the moment?
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the angles and shots were stunningly boring. I don't know who to blame but that was so, bad. Wow, enthusiasm waning the more I learn....
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sory but i this is OOOOOLLLLLDDDDDDDDDD
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The soundtrack was annoying as hell coming out of my PC. I'm afraid that it will melt my brain seeing it in IMAX with 1000 speakers. I was looking forward to the clip ending so that the "music" would stop. It was repetitive and the replacement of impacts with electronica makes no sense.
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Feb 23, 2009 12:26:14 AM CST
She kind of Look like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
That chick fighting kind of looks like the NBC newscaster: Maria. I found a site with photos of her:
http://hotnewsanchorwomen.blogspot.com/
Oh, check out the bikini photos of CNN and Fox news channels chicks while you are their. Well, if you like watching the news. News chicks are freaky.
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I'm excited to see this movie, too. And that scene was "cool", but it was on-par with what I expected (I guess). The way you built this clip up, I expected to see, I dunno, A GIANT SQUID exploded upon NYC. Or something. Or maybe Big Figure squashed into a toilet. Something. But the fighting...Eh, it was cool fighting. And, hey, weren't they supposed to have turned on Archimedes' "screechers" to emit an audio frequency that would help stifle the riotous prisoners?
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Like Moe Howard....poking bad guys in the eye and kicking them in the nuts?
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It doesn't appear to me that the embedded MTV video player has the option to view the clip full-screen, but you can use the following link to open the clip in a re-sizable browser window. Paste the following link into your web browser's address bar (remove the spaces):
http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:uma:video:mtv.com:343653
or use this tinyurl:
http://tinyurl.com/cm5dtb
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Bands like Ministry were turning out music in the late '80s that sounded like what you hear in the clip.
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Your on the money as well. Zack Snyder is almost enough to make me wish non-linear editing software weren't invented.
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So the 'fucking cool' moment from Watchmen is an ADIDAS ad? Fer shame Harry. Not a practice I'd like to see a whole lot more of on AICN.
Oh, and in the unlikely event that any Advertising/Marketing bozos from Adidas are listening, you just lost a customer. You muppets! -
no frame by frame joy here though...
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That seriously annoyed the shit out of my ears.
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The whole scene feels off, as if it's a rehearsal.
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When the director is making the film so that the audience is supposed to feel in the middle of the fight. That's what Nolan is doing in BB and TDK. People who are complaining that it isn't clear what's going on are missing the point. It supposed to be chaotic and give an adrenalin rush. The complete opposite of this awful scene from Watchmen which has decided to go back in time 20 years. The choreography is obvious. The extras just tumble over like rag dolls. There really is no reason why they couldn't have gone the TDK, Bourne or Quantum of Solace route and give us something more frenetic and chaotic. It doesn't have to be to the same extent but anything besides this would be better.
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...over a fight scene?" That... would be...AWESOME! Quick, some one whip up this idea in iMovie and post it on YouTube!
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I get it, man. I'm one of the diehards who love the novel. But, this is a reality check for you. I have people who don't know what Watchmen is asking me about it, like the wise old dork in the cave, and I tell them that it was a big book in the 80s about the world if there were really superheroes like Batman, but instead of being all goody goody they were normal people under the masks.This piqued their interests enough to want to see it. IMAX flicks always get a lot of people, if they're big overbudgeted nonsense. (See also: I Am Legend)
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about the quality of the movie, if they showed the scene w/ Rorschach in the cell during the riot.
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This film will be released at the same time in Canada as in the US, so why are you endorsing this BLOODY ANNOYING habit of these idiots to keep anyone except those in the U.S. of Almighty from being able to see the material????? Ain't-it-cool is NOT cool when they put these geographically limited links up.
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Harry, your capacity for turdish hyperboles continues to amaze me.
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Picture if you walked into your house at the end of a hard day and some guy wearing a costume is beating the shit out of your wife with his fists. They should look just like that. There should be no "direction" or "cinematography" at all, really. Or it should be the kind that you don't notice. There shouldn't be slow mo and music, but there should be quick cuts and shaky cam and sudden strange angles up through peoples legs either. Single camera, real time, natural lighting, straight on view of some guy wearing a costume punching someone and delivering the real injuries that kind of physical attack would deliver. That being said, I am not an anti-Snyder zealot so I'm willing to let him do it his way too.
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That should have read "...SHOULDN'T BE quick cuts and shaky cam and..." etc. Kind of reversed the meaning of that clause there.
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Motoko Kusanagi already said it: AVATAR will rule the years too come! NOTHING else matters!
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where they keep all the guys with the glass-jaws? I know getting flipped over and the wind knocked out of you is inconvenient, but not super-debilitating. At least it was better lit and not shakeycam like Jason Bourne. I was actually sort-of anticipating this movie. Now it looks kinda "meh" like a Cameron Crowe pic.
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I think my fellow talkbackers are overreacting, for the most part (myself included). This scene is OUT OF CONTEXT...and it really does have MUCH MORE IMPACT when the SOUND is cranked UP (though the so-called "music" gets in the way of that). I can't help but wonder what a beautiful orchestral score would do for this flick. If nothing else, a variation in music style would be a GREAT plus for the blu-ray release, as a viewer option! :-D
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Therefore it's shit!
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I gotta admit, I have no idea what Harry's on about. I liked the scene, liked most of what people here hated, but I have no clue what the sound cue is that he's talking about. Maybe as HEADGEEK his geekgasm trigger is more sensitive than ours or something.
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I think one of the problems that this movie and others like the Star Wars prequels and the Matrix sequels suffer from is that we as fans tend to build up in our heads what the moving imges should be. What the characters should sound like and what storylines are important. That's our ideal, when a film comes out that run a strong contradiction to what we had envisioned, some of us take an strong negative reaction to it. The way I approach it is that this is somebody else's work. It'll just be fun to watch what someone else thought. It won't ruin my day. Movies are supposed to be fun, and they're supposed to be fun to discuss. You can't tell a blind man it's a whole elephant just by letting him tug on the ear.
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I didn't scream anything.
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Yes, these people are supposed to be getting off on being in costume again, but they are still nervous as hell, not confident and heroic. They should be taking these cons down in the most direct, simple, brutal ways possible. It's like my brother once told me - if you want to win a fight, knock the other guy down and kick him in the head until he can't get up. That's what Silk Spectre would do - and probably grind her heel into him while she was at it. Nite Owl would use the fat he was carrying as mass to take people down with clotheslines and tackles. No big jumps, no spins, no high kicks. Just laying a nasty beat-down on whoever gets in your way. (In the comic that is only a handful of people, because Archie's screechers have deafened half the prison.)
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Looks like there will be reviews come tomorrow as it's got its world premiere in London tonight, being a British creation and all. So there is some good news amongst the bad, that being Best Actor going to that dreadful cunt Sean Penn. The Milk has gone off!!
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While I will see this film, this is not a scene that makes me say "FUCKING COOL", some people like leggos, some don't. Grow up Harry...
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or some such nonsense but the more i see the less I like. probably good to have my expectations lowered a tad........
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Maybe some should tell Zack that Slow mo is an effect, and not a means to tell a story. Not every sequence in the film has to have it, sort of loses its impact. Imagine a drum banging away at full power during a symphony, or a writer ending every sentence with and exclamation point!!! The studio should have limited him to two slow motion shots in the entire picture, then maybe he can learn to work with the restrictions. Frank Capra, a director from another time and another world these days, once said that editing should not be felt in the during a film, it takes you away from the illusion that he has been trying to build. We can come a long way in film since those days, and while its fun to edit something to death, a bit of control is needed. Zack, it takes us away from the illusion you are trying to build, the illusion of a real world. Just my two cents, for all its not worth.
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I'm sorry to break it to you, but modern audiences like stylized fight scenes. You can still tell an intelligent story with stylized fight scenes; and this film is rumored to be 3 hours and 30 minutes long. I don't think that entire running time is going to be slow motion fight scenes.
Second, the characters in the novel also get involved in impossible fight scenes and situations. The alley fight in which Laurie and Dan beat up like 20 guys in an alley (written in a way that suggests the melee is analogous to sex -- something Dan, being impotent after years of retirement, desperately needs) and the prison break; both of which could not be done by people in their prime, let alone people past their prime. The point here, as it is in the novel, is that these are people rediscovering the joy of being a superhero; reconnecting with the adventurous spirit they had all but forsaken, and totally kicking ass. This is EXACTLY what happens in the novel. (Before the conflicted, satirical, dark, and ironic ending). I could see how the music cues and visual style could be off-putting, especially because each of us has our own ideas in our heads of how it should look and sound, but all of you people writing it off as a disaster after seeing a 30 second clip shown completely out of context? C'mon. You sound totally ridiculous. I for one, love the way these clips look and I can't wait to see the finished product. I feel pretty certain that it is, at the very least, going to be a good movie. Maybe not a masterpiece, but definitely something good. -
Dennis! Abso-fuckin-lutely, brother. The FACT that Laurie and Dan are dirty fighters is explicit in Moore's comic. This isn't a mere interpretation (i.e., how *I* see it in my mind). We SEE Laurie kneeing thugs in the balls. We SEE Dan poking thugs in the eyes. Their fighting method should be as efficient and brutal as possible. And they should be heavily winded afterwards. They are NOT superhuman. This wire-work dance-fight choreography Snyder is so fond of is very pretty to look at, but it's not very believable.And before I get lambasted for expecting "too much realism" from a comic book adaptation, remember: one of the reasons why WATCHMEN works so well is because everything BUT Doc M is presented in the context of feasible reality. What WOULD the world be like if it had "masked heroes"? What would THEY be like? How would the world feel about them?As it stands now, the clips I've seen of WATCHMEN simply look like a snazzy, stylized dream. The comic itself (note: not just my interpretation of it) had no such baroque style. But, again--maybe I'm missing the grittiness in the clips. Maybe it's there, and I'll realize upon seeing the whole that I was mistaken. Maybe I'll realize that Snyder's baroque, stylized opera adaptation--while completely different from the tone and atmosphere of the original--works well in its own right. I hope so.
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I respect that you're a champion and defender of the film adaptation. And you may be right. Again, I hope you are. But there's nothing wrong with voicing dissent. The overwhelming reaction to this clip has been negative. I actually quite like the others, btw. WATCHMEN the movie may be good--even great. But certainly it's not going to be beyond criticism. As of now, I for one am simply voicing my opinion about a single clip. It's ok, but IMO it could've been a lot better.
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did that a LOT better in the hall scene in The Matrix.
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Feb 23, 2009 3:38:03 PM CST
I"m still waiting for someone to explain the fucking shoes!
by conspiracy
On the roof this bitch is in 4" fuck me heels..in the fight scene she is wearing flats...Please..someone splain this to me. Oh..wait..I'll explain...Lazy Film maker. It is small, but very very noticable details like this which tell you alot about a movie.
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It was a fight scene...big hairy fookin deal.
I don't know much about the Watchmen, but to be honest, the only thing that looks cool is that Doctor Manhattan character. i could care less about Denny from Gray's on the latex chick, or any of the others, since it sounds like they don't have any SUPERPOWERS... and this is supposed to be about SUPERHEROES.
10 seconds of Heroes has more it seems... -
Maybe the CGI in this footage isn't complete and they have yet to add heels for the fight scene, or maybe Silk Spectre has retractable heel technology?
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Just to be clear, since I've read the book recently - they fight either four or five guys in the alley. Unusual for a couple of middle-aged people who are rather out of shape, I know, even if they are relying on dirty tactics and muscle memory of what they did ten years before. But that's not even close to taking out 15-20 (an accurate count, front the bodies on the floor) rabid convicts in a bit more than a minute (including slo-mo). And they're not even breathing hard afterwards. But I won't argue the point any further.
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Feb 23, 2009 4:14:46 PM CST
Are they going to drown the little guy in the toilet I wonder?
by drewlicious
Now I wonder how that scene will play on film. As funny as it was on the page I hope.
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Nice notice, talkbacker conspiracy. Reminds me of noticing the cape switch that Tim Burton made in the '89 BATMAN.
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karate?
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Well, Doc Manhattan can pretty much do whatever he wants. You think of it, he can do it.
As for the rest...
Adrian Veidt: knows how to punch and kick in slo-mo. Rorschach: knows how to punch and kick in slo-mo. Silk Spectre: knows how to punch and kick in slo-mo. Night Owl: knows how to punch and kick in slo-mo. Comedian: knows how to punch and kick in slo-mo. And all the old Minutemen? That's right: they all know how to punch and kick in slo-mo. -
For everyone complaining about the visual style of this film, get over it. Dave Gibbons has been onboard with this through the entire process! If they guy who was the original artist on the Graphic Novel has given the go ahead on this film, then why are people complaining?
The original artist has been a part of this visual reproduction of HIS art and fanboys are complaining? Gibbons is the only person who has any right to complain about the visual adaptation of this property and he's not. He's loving it.
And seriously? Complaining about the boots and using it as a gauge of whether how good the overall film is going to be? Get over it, you guys go film a fight sequence in 5" heels. -
Why Harry was so keen to pump it up - cash from the ad impressions he would get from embedding. Seriously, I have no idea what moment he was referring to... I am guessing Night Own swooping by the camera... but I will guarantee not one single geek that saw that screamed 'Fucking Cool'.
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I can't believe I'm not going to see this at the theater, abut I guess I'm not.
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At work I can't watch videos outside the Intranet, but I could read all the trash talk about this scene . . . Jesu Christo was I bummed! I expected Batman & Robin! Screw Zack and his cretin sensabilities!
Now I get home and brace myself for the rape of my childhood and . . . there's nothing wrong with this! Tracks the comix? Check. Looks good? Check. Music work? Check. Holy Spandex! Zack's doin' what he set out to do -- make it faithful enough that nobody will come along and do it worse.
Lighten up, you people. Go outside. Breathe the fresh air. Be glad somebody's doing something worth talking about. -
my god...you are either 12 y/o or retarded or both. We have no idea how Dave Gibbons feels about the film. He's being paid to say he likes it, you naive/ignorant fool.
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what's Watchmen?
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but this is NOT looking good. As a matter of fact, it's looking like "rubbish," as Alan Moore would say. The original had chaos going on around them, not a well-choreographed "coolness" fight. NiteOwl should not be in shape, not an acrobat jackass. This is starting to look bad.
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You're naive if you think being cynical is always correct.
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... I think it's going to be fairly disappointing. It's the wrong take on the work. I think directors tackling this type of material always try to make it look like a comic book, which is the wrong way to think about it, and tweak the story. The integrity of the stories should be maintained and the look should be translated to a believable reality. This and V FOR VENDETTA nailed the look (Which takes away from it's believability because they comicize it up) and commercialize the story. On the bright side whether this movie is good or shit, it's already a classic. Now all that remains is to decided whether it's going next to Show Girls or The Dark Knight on my movies shelf. That said, I'm still looking forward to the super duper cut that has everything (except an intelligent ending) that's coming out next year.
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DOWN WITH THE ANTI-MOORE ZACK SNYDER!
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... that didn't look that great. Nite Owl has the stiff neck problem and aren't they making him out to be a bigger badass than he is supposed to be? I sure as hell hope the music in that scene is not final either. Also, I got nothing against slow-mos, hell I love them, but it was definitely overused in that short scene. Ok, I guess I am a hater, but I'm still looking forward to this.
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That's the funniest thing I've read today. Thanks for the laugh.
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...it's ununsual for a couple of middle-age (or verging on middle-age) out-of-shape superheroes to kick this much ass. For me this comes back to the fundamental issue of casting too young.
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And that's a guy who seems to revel in anything he finds fault in. There could be hope yet.
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"There's very little speed ramping (while Snyder does play with film speed in some scenes, especially flashbacks, you've probably already seen every moment in the movie that uses 300-style speed ramping)..."
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I'm not digging the "Matrix" approach. WATCHMEN is an existential superhero tale, not an MTV music video. I wish Altman were alive, he'd make the perfect WATCHMEN movie!
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A rather articulate and VERY positive review by an aussie reviewer, seems to be a fan of the novel. I've never read the GN, so no opinion either way yet - although I enjoyed V for Vendetta (the novel and the film, which were clearly separate in many ways).
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A friend told me that in the novel there was no fight scene coz there was a riot and the two heroes simply went unnoticed in the chaos. In that case, Snyder totally missed the point of the novel by making this a standard action scene (which is terrible by the way).
I'm not the type who bitches about organic web-shooters but damn this scene looks dumb. A guy gets thrown on the floor, lands (not slammed) on his back and gets knocked out. The girl hero kicks a guy's chest and knocks him out. WTF??? These inmates are easier to knock out than 10 yr old girls (not that I tried). -
... Fantastic Four, Punisher 2, Friday the 13th and a bunch of other shit? That Devin? Please. I'm waiting for real reviews to hit in before I actually get excited about this. A while back AICN alone was enough to get me excited for a movie, but now they give a good review to anything. Can't fucking believe Harry gave a pass to Fired Up... How much did they pay you big man?
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... this movie would suck - it would be like a 3 hour episode of "the shield" - which might make for an interesting take on a superhero movie but would have a very narrow audience - and would be a chore to sit through
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If you're going to use a porn star as an alias on the INTERNET, at least pick one that (a) a decent-sized cock, (b) doesn't do shit with trannies, and (c) you know the facts to.For future reference, you've actually won FOUR awards and you retired when you were 36/37 and came out of retirement at 38 for a few scenes. Oh, and you live in France, in case you were wondering (see, I can use Wiki too).
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It takes a lot more than a good ass and slo-mo scenes to make people scream: hell, cool!
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looks like an old episode of Batman, only 10x gayer, maybe it will win a lot of Oscars it's so gay
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How has everybody missed this? Without a doubt, the best I've seen from this movie so far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnyR10CIDW8
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THAT is fucking cool. Finally got to hear Rorschach's "hurm."
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Punisher 2 and Friday the 13th he defended as good "bad" movies since they both lacked any sense of pretentiousness. Fantastic Four....thats a mystery to me.
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All i see is a man at desk, with a child underneath it..
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Harry either meant the little "oh, we're so gonna kick some ass" grin... or the moment Nite Owl COCK PUNCHES one of those guys. I gasped a loud OUCH! watching this.
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...except with more color and a lot more meh.
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