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ABC says of tonight’s installment, titled “316”:
The members of Oceanic 6 discover how to get back to the island, but not all of them want to return. Guest starring are Fionnula Flanagan as Eloise Hawking, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Said Taghmaoui as Caesar, Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana, Mary Mara as Jill, Raymond J. Barry as Ray, Kavita Patil as Rupa Krishnavani, P. D. Mani as Nabil, Rebecca Hazlewood as Nalini, Patti Hastie as barfly, Glen Bailey as magician and Ned Van Zandt as Mr. Dorsey. Written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse and directed by Stephen Williams.
Does Christian Shephard’s association with the island predate his death? “Ray” is Jack Shephard’s grandpapa.
Zuleikha Robinson appears as well in next week’s episode, which deals with the adventures of Jeremy Bentham.
Last week’s pokey and surprise-free episode killed Charlotte, told the tale of Jin’s wedding ring, and threw John Locke down the well so his people could be free, but mostly just spent a lot of time showing us how Rousseau went nuts. I’m hoping for a zippier installment this week.
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I thought last week's episode was awesome!
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LOST IS AWESOME. YES IT IS.
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Hurry up clock! Damn you!
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Seriously, that was some eerie spooky shit.
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I like the fact that the "sickness" she's been speaking of is actually real. For a fan like me who knows the mythology cold...all of these little reveals are pretty fun.
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bring it ON!! just a few more hours... anyone want to come watch while in the room 23 chat, you are more than welcome. 9pm EST. we will show you where to find the feed for the west coasters. :) or just come afterwards to speculate and go "OOOOH!!!"
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Jesus Herc.
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What the hell happened to Aaron?!
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Last week was "pokey" *by comparison* to the roller coaster ride that had proceeded it. I suspect that, if I may follow that analogy, we are on that slightly slow climb before a really steep and thrilling rush into thrill-town!
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I'm calling it now. Kate ate Aaron.
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Make me laugh so hard?
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I found TLP to be "pokier" than TPID but I guess that's just me. I don't mind pokiness I guess.
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Seriously, wtf is that giant swinging thing? I could have sworn I saw it before but maybe that was another Lost episode. Is that real tech, and how does it work and wtf does it do?
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She went from hating Jack's guts to making out with him in the span of a few hours? Something fairly taumatic must have happened to her.
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It's a pendulum dude. It's timekeeping device.
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Wow... Why don't I write professionally? *laughs at self*
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It looked like it was used to determine location, but I guess I should remember 'time' and 'location' are related heavily in Lost.
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So is my dick... OK, nice to get that out of my system. :p
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The Narnia influences continue.
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Yay for Frank being back. I love that dude.
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Last week's episode was the shit, man. I wish every episode was that good. (Although every episode this season has been great in my book...) But last week was STELLAR.
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"We're flyin."
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Hey buddy!!!!
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Next week.
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"Last week’s pokey and surprise-free episode killed Charlotte, told the tale of Jin’s wedding ring, and threw John Locke down the well so his people could be free, but mostly just spent a lot of time showing us how Rousseau went nuts."
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what to do till then?
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John getting off the island. Smokey possessing bodies. The or a temple appearing. Charlotte dying. Jin reuniting wit hthe other 815ers. Christian appearing. Sun finding out Jin was alive. Charlotte remembering Daniel in her past. No surprises at all.
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Feb 18, 2009 2:14:47 PM CST
just as the clock is about to strike 9pm on Wednesday night...
by turketron
You hear a weird high pitched sound, and soon everything around you begins to get really bright.... it gets louder and louder and brighter and brighter until you feel like you can't stand it anymore and you cradle your head, and then *POOM*. You're standing in front of your tv, and you notice yourself watching Flight 815 break apart on your standard definition television. You've just time warped back to the series premier of Lost. FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU---
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Last week's episode was utterly captivating. This show hasn't skipped a beat this season.
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Bitch.
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finally they decided to write the the baby out of the show. that little fucker ruined a lot of things but most importantly claires tight little box, thats why Charlie drowned himself. hang onto that stuffed whale kid, you're gonna need it.
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there was all sorts of awesome reveals last week. i think a lot of people instantly forget how much was revealed after seeing an episode. i guess it's just because they want all the answers. i'm happy with the pace the show is going now.
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Montand didn't lose his arms as much as his arms lost the rest of him.
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It's pronounced "WAAAAALT!"
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But it's mostly about the next reveal, mystery. And the Hurley episodes, Jack's tatoo, Kate's airplane in safety deposit box keep "Lost" well out of best show ever status. "The Wire" is the best television show ever.
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Yeah, last week's show wasn't a complete mind-fuck, but who cares? It set up a lot of good stuff for this week, but also split up the group again. What the hell is Ben going to do this week?!? And I sure as hell can't wait for next weeks Jeremy Bentham ep.
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It just hasn't this season. Can it keep it up for a few more episodes? All signs point to "yes".
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Can we just have an all Sun episode? Can we, please????
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Season 2.
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Feb 18, 2009 2:41:58 PM CST
What LOST lady would you like to be trapped in your bed with?
by turketron
A question that needs an answer!!! And you can choose only ONE!
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That was all Pelacanos. Gotta love Ziggy.
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Srsly. Goth Claire? Juliet? Ana L? Shannon? Cindy the Stewardess? Nikki? Naomi? WHO???
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How much talking would be required in this "what if" scenario that you propose?
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Way down in the hoooooole.... way down in the hoooole *cut to smokey pulling montand to his doom, followed by black screen with "We're the good guys, Michael" -Benjamin Linus *
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As much or as little as you wish!
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hotness! Should have been Wonder Woman.
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Sod off, that was a great episode! Locke down the well was EPIC.What with '316' and 'Bentham' both being Darlton efforts, my expectations are through the ROOF...
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Bet she turns Aaron over to her mom who is now amazingly cancer free. The Island saved Juliet's sister from cancer and saving Kate's mom might serve some hidden purpose.
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Next 2 episodes are bound to be ball-drainingly awesome.
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That would be awesome. Get Giacchino to do a new version of the song specifically for Lost.
P.S. Shannon. -
We'll still have 10 to go! Back to fucking back, every week!
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Don't forget the drug associations with Locke and his boys.
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can't believe it took me a bit to make the connection! looks like everything (or most everything)we've wondered about dharma is about to come to light. assume your crash positions!
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Never let it be said we're ungrateful - when a show delivers, week-in week-out, like Lost has done for a LONG TIME NOW, we're vocal an' proud.
And the best-looking woman in the WORLD, never mind the cast of Lost, is Evangeline Lilly. Anyone who thinks otherwise is (provably) medically BLIND. -
Kate? Nah... Always looks too sad. Claire? Too fertile. Juliette? Tempting (naughty talk... in LATIN), but too conniving. Shannon? Not with even Boone's dick. Ana Lucia? Not unattractive, to be sure, buttoo butch for *my* tastes. Alex Linus? If we were more age appropriate for one another, but alas, no. So... Libby. She's pretty and still a bit of a mystery.
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Dammit, Locke!
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Can you give the show a bigger handjob? Until this season LOST was mainly directionless. Not as much as Heroes but goddamned close. Sure it was interesting anf fun to watch, but there were still glaring holes that seem to be getting spackled this season. Sadly those holes are there due to lack of direction from season one. Each season a whole new bunch of shit was tossed onto those sandy shores. Each season most of it was washed away with no apparent rhyme or reason.
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But I do need to put her up for a direct comparison with Naomi, I've seen model photos of Cindy... but as it stands right now, I could go for some Ana L.
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Sackhoffs Rowe is the hottest chick on screen this year. That includes the chicks from Chuck and the Redhead from Mentalist. Katee burns the house down barely repressing the sexual sultriness of her voice. She is literally hotter that Georgia asphalt.
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Sweet..
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Miles, Sawyer, Dan & Juliet stand where the well once was...Suddenly...they hear screams off into the jungle.
They race to the source of the strange noises...they appear to be coming from inside a hastily made lean-to tent.
Dan summons the courage and rips open the flap...revealing....
Bernard & Rose bumpin uglies, bare ass nekkid gettin their jungle freak on...and Vincent is licking their feet!
"What does a guy have to do to get some privacy on this goddamn island?" Bernard shouts, punctuated a shrill noise. Everyone grabs their ears...the sky turns white and...WOOMP!
Suddenly Dan finds himself standing in front of the tent flap a second before he pulled it open the last time.
"Fuck that noise", Dan says walkin away, "I'm not openin that shit up again".
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Actually it is pot smoke. It came from Charlie however. And maybe Anna Lucia. Not to mention it's Hawaii...I mean come on. the entire Island is made up of weed...that's why the show is SOOOOO GOOOOD man
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joined the chat late. But Kate ate Aaron? Whos eating Kate? Oh, that's right...Swyer
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I doubt she would leave Aaron with her mom. My money is on Penny watching Aaron (and Charlie) I don't see Penny making the trip to the island to next season.
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Feb 18, 2009 3:09:44 PM CST
I didn't think anyone could eat anyone till the zombie season
by turketron
(season 7)
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Make it happen. Reminds me of that deleted scene where Nikki and Paulo are getting it on in the tent.
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Maybe Kate gave him to Cassidy. Are we ever goign to fricking find out what Sawyer asked her to do?
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are you freaking kidding me. Sun, please.
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Kate did not eat Aaron people...please, nor did she give it to Cassidy or her mom...the dingo ate the fucking baby!!!!
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She's beautiful, no doubt... But she's a married woman and did you see what happened to the last guy she cheated with? No, thank you.
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would not include trivial real-life things such as married-ness and enraged husbands/fathers. does your answer change if it's just a one time thing in an alternate timeless dimension?
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And here is why 1.) As I said: she is pretty. Very much so, in fact. 2.) If we end up talking she might reveal details about her past that would be worth hearing. 3.) Possibly has money. 4.) If she went for Hurly I wouldn't even have to bring my "A game" to impress her :P
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it's gotta be shannon, as long as she keeps her mouth shut. one of the most annoying women ever on screen
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kate, juliet, and libby are definitely in the running too
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Feb 18, 2009 3:29:39 PM CST
does your answer change if it's just a one time thing in an alte
by gob adama
Yes it would... and it would come down (for me) between Juliet or Sun.
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Regarding Turk's terribly shallow and thuroughly amusing hypothetical: We are talking about a cast full of "9"s and "10"s where the most minute and meaningless physical preference makes the difference in choice.
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And that WAS a nod to the infamously deleted scene.
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First choice would be Sun, second choice would be Claire (preferably goth Claire), third choice would be Juliet, fourth choice would be Alex.
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Goodwin's jilted wife. Hey...he wasn't usin it!!
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Interesting. I can see the appeal...
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Discuss.
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I choose Sun!!!!!!! just the thought nearly made me have an accid... oh dear!!!!!!!!!!
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Chooses the "!", apprently. :D
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I read LOST is taking a ratings hit because fox has moved american idol results show to a 9pm slot (honestly the people who that kind of shit, what is wrong with them, it's the same here in Ireland - my niece is the only kid in her school who doesn't watch it).
Anyways, ratings are war and all's fair as they say... but this bit really annoys me - fox had LIE TO ME up against LOST (not good for LIE TO ME I'd wager) so they moved that to 8pm. Not to help LIE TO ME, but just to get a few digs at LOST using idol as the weapon. What is wrong with fox? why are they spending money on SARAH CONNOR, DOLLHOUSE and LIE TO ME and putting them in death slots. Why not move this idol show to Fridays and see if it makes people stay in? It probably would. Or better yet, don't buy shows they just what to kill. -
That episode spent all of 7 minutes on Rousseau. How can you say it "spent all it's time on Rousseau" when it was less than 1/7th of the episode? Honestly, I WISH it had spent the whole time on the Frenchies. The rest seemed very forced. Meh, opinions are assholes, I guess. But that seems blatantly absurd to say.
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is it ok if that was before she was knocked up?
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Lovely British accent, silkly dark skin, and cries of pleasure in four different languages
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Charlotte could cum in Klingon. Tempting.
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I would be stranded in bed with Juliet. Watch Gia and you'll know why.
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And Charlotte's eyes are freaky... which makes her "bonerlicious".What's "bonerlicious" mean you say? Well, it's when a girl, who you wouldn't normally find to be as pretty as a "traditionally" pretty girl has a feature(s) that makes her likelyhood to give you wood increase dramatically. The most traditional example of this would be the old Angelina Jolie vs. Jennifer Aniston debate. Aniston is traditionally hot... but Jolie's bigger than normal lips give her a more exotic look... thereby making her "bonerlicious" (credit goes to Drunky the Bear of local Orlando Radio Show fame.
Take Claire for instance. Normally, she's ok. But with her goth look... bonerlicous! We now return to our regularly scheduled Lost talkback... -
Can anyone explain to me what happened to Barricade at of TF1???
Oh so whack Scorponok gets a shout out in the new trailer but no Barricade huh...???
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Right before the Galactica jumped away.
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Feb 18, 2009 4:13:57 PM CST
So noone's fucked a MILF before? They would lose their kids
by fisheater
in a flash if you wanted them to. Kate wants cock, its pretty fukn obvious judging by that scene, lol.
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The stupid execs also only want to pay attention to traditional ratings, and don't pay enough attention to online views, TiVo numbers and DVD sales. Who watches TV in a normal time slot anymore?
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WTF are you mumbling about?
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"Last week’s pokey and surprise-free episode killed Charlotte"
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Feb 18, 2009 4:20:19 PM CST
not to mention Ben's crazy ass outburst in the middle of driving
by turketron
Nutzoid.
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You know what else is wild in the sack? Potatoes.
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It says "Pringles" on the side.
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and had the nicest bods.
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to a really good episode tonight. While imperfect, this is the best sci-fi drama ever produced. lets just agree on that and walk away. and was anyone else surprised by the severed arm??? that french dude was like "i'm hurt!" damn right you're hurt. we have your fucking arm up here, holmes!!!
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Must've had something to do with the white light, noise, and mechanical sounds I keep hearing from the next cube over...YIKES!!
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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Are you kidding me? There is no contest, other than maybe Kate. Shannon is easily the finest piece of ass they had on the Island. Did you see her legs? I'd smother them in butter and lick her all over. Sayid knew exactly what he was doing. It would be a little hard to pick between Kate and Shannon, but if they were both naked on my bed...I think I would ultimately go to Shannon first.
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First night I'm missing Lost live in two years (last time it was episode 3.05-The Cost of Living). FML
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Do I need to rewatch season one with the sound off or something?
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I just wonder if you watched The Wire. It's the only show I would say is better written than Lost. It's probably the best thing ever put on tv, IMO, so I was wondering if that was being taken into account in your 50 years of tv or not. If it isnt, you should invest your time in watching it. It's not sci-fi though. So Lost can still be the best Sci-Fi show ever.
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So you can oggle her without listening to her whiney bullshit? Sure. But don't suggest she isn't hot. because you KNOW if she was in your bed begging for it you'd throw it to her. Fast.
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ya, know...on account of the extra hole and all.
Crow...don't you spread butter on everything you lick? -
Does anyone else masturbate while watching Lost?
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Compared to Lost, completely different show. I love both for reasons far apart from each other. Lost is more like an adrenaline rush, three shots of patron with no lime. The Wire is a tall glass of milk with strawberry jam dumped in the middle, tall and long but so friggin sweet. With that said, Lost is still my favorite show of all time, with The Wire following closely behind.
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Just throwing that out there. Cause she's mega-bodacious.
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It's good, but I think the best show on tv now is 'From g's To Gents'
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The actress, Maggie Grace, is a pretty girl. Not in question. But I can't look at Shanno without wanting to smash her skull in and homicide doesn't trip my trigger, ya know?
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Speaking of that, why no spoiler section/talk back for 'G's To gents'?
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Alex is way too young for me... but were we closer in age, like I said. Yeah. Gorgeous girl.
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So fuck her brains out until she literally dies on your cock. Fair enough? (worst thing I've ever said? Maybe.)
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I think Kate in the button down dress shirt in the one where she and Jack made out in the hall. DAMN. Those legs ...
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Who thinks it has to do with her being visited by a time-traveling somebody?
It's quite obvious that Shepard Sr. is jumping around like a madman, as does Faraday in the "future", so who's to say someone didn't come to Kate with horrible news about Jack in the future and the only way to save him (or something equally dramatic) is to give up Aaron.
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Rousseau's husband tried to KILL his pregnant wife!! Rousseau was entirely justified for thinking he, and the others who had foolishly ventured into the temple, were sick.
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I forget some of the circumstances around that incident. Was it one of the people jumping around in time on the island this season? Might there be a tie-in?
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Ana Lucia shot Shannon. Thought she was an "other" emerging from the forest.
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I would have to say normal Claire. To start with I love me a hot blonde, but that fucking australian accent cements the deal for me.
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Herc is a tard, I agree. Who wants to fuck Hercs extra hole?
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Would've been cool if it had actually been one of the island-time-jumpers. Oh well.
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would defo get IT...by far the best looking women to appear on the show and then Evangeline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2pOOkPc2c
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Am I the only one who caught that?
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Korean girls rank number 2 for me after Japanese. Sun is definetely a yummy mummy .
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"but mostly just spent a lot of time showing us how Rousseau went nuts."
Actually I was disappointed that we didn't see more of them. All they really showed was that their group had a nasty encounter with smokey, and we already figured that had happened. We still didn't see "the sickness" that necessitated Danielle offing the rest of her people, or if she just did it because she went loopy. I really hope we'll see more of their story, but if we didn't see it last week, we probably won't. -
The fuckin dude was gonna shoot her. The crew went nuts/got sick.
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I understand what you mean completely. I guess what I mean is that it's just so damn realistic and complex. In no way, at no time during The Wire do the writers treat you as anything less than a observer of a real, living breathing world. It's incredible. I mean, it's completely opposite of Lost in that it's entirely reality based, so in some ways it isn't comparable. But just the complexity of the series is astounding, and the respect with which the writers treat both the audience and their characters is beyond anything I've ever seen. I don't entirely know how to describe it. It's just so damned honest, and smart. Do you know the premise of the show at all?
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You know, or will when you you move beyond adolescence into adulthood, that rabid fanbot handjob posts are intellectually vacant. Develop some discernment.
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As I said the writers are spackling the holes started in season one. Re-watch the original Rousseau arc. It is clear that the devolvement of her peers was over a much longer period of time originally.
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WTF are you talking about? Are you saying that your post was intellectually superior or something?
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Yep and more mature. You wanna hand him a blowjob for writing like a teenager? Tell you what donate some money so he can buy a Literary criticism book and maybe learn exactly where he went wrong. A mind is a fucking terrible thing to waste.
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If you are, you should go back and read mine. Genius.
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Her boyfriend clearly wanted to kill her, so we thought everybody get down in smokezilla's lair went brainwashed, but what about her getting crazy for some reasons. Becauve we only seen facts, motives haven't been exposed yet.
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ok, so it's really 57 minutes. Then I'll have to wait another week for the next episode.
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I like my ghost of a dinosaur theory better, but I'll allow this one to stew.
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Jeremy Davies is in that movie. It's almost identical to Faraday's character. He's got that weird science guy role down pat.
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"He was licking me!" is one of the freakiest lines in a movie, ever.
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Didn't Jin jump between the time when Smokezilla attacked and when he saw her shoot the dude on the beach? We don't know when he jumped to. It may have been a couple of years for all we know, and the crew devolved over all that time. It may fit perfectly with the original arc.Lost FTW!
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Jeremy Davies is a great character actor. He should be in some Hammer-esgue style period Horror film in a role that would have originally gone to Peter Cushing.
Think about it. I'm right. -
Just testing you all.
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Classic.
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324 passengers and crew on Fl 815. 8 survived the crash. Jack, Kate, Hugo, Sun, Sayid, Boone, Libby, Charlie.
316 died. Of the 8, 5 plus Aaron made it home always wondered why Boone, Libby, Charlie?
Also wondered why were Flashback Jack's eyes blue in ep "White Rabbit"? Why didn't we see James Father in "Outlaws"
*Charlotte was connected to the maid that Sun got fired in ep "Glass Ballerina"
*Locke couldn't speak in ep "Further Instructions" because he had been in a coffin for the last week..comas make ya parched ya know*They all return to the island but not to the same time.
*Ben is really just another Pawn*The overarching conflict is Romeo and Juliet...'esque'*When the Purge was ordered ...Ben told someone who told someone who got the kids and several some others off the island.*Notice how Juliet is 'mothering' James..hmmm. Goes all the way back to Season 3..*Notice how Ellie called Dan a Romeo.hmmmWhat is especially fun is to go back and watch past episodes and notice subtle differences in character and delivery of Locke, Sawyer, Jin, Juliet...and pondering..did I just see the future twin...Was the reason Island Locke seemed so prescient initially because we actually were seeing future Locke..Did Sawyer Grow a heart..ah...This show is so fun.
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Shannon has the body of an underdeveloped twelve year-old with an ugly face, and her character was a vapid bitch. I honestly can't understand that attraction in the least. Maggie Grace is all but naked in Taken, where she isn't as unattractive, but she isn't hot either.
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I don't think Christian Shephard was ever on the island before or is anything special. He's a ghost being utilized by the island like we've with half a dozen other dead people. But the theory is that Jacob may be an ancester of the Shepherds - that may help explain why he prefers Christian as his avatar, and has collected Claire and Aaron. It's just another one of those many coincidences. If we are going to see Jack's grandfather "Ray" for some reason tonight, that adds a little power to this theory. Maybe we'll find out more after tonight's episode.
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Are you talking about what the O6 claimed in front of the press? Clearly more than 8 survived the crash on the island, including Rose, Bernard, Jin, Shannon, the red shirts, etc.
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Q. Was Frenchy crazy ? A. No. At least not for wiping out those who had "transformed" (and as Lamerz rightly points out there was a timejump so it was hardly instant and most likely gradual) into coldblooded killers who wanted her dead she wasn't.
And I DO remember the Rousseau arc as she also said if the "sickness" (what else was she going to call it ? bodysnatched ?) spread it would be horrific. As indeed it would if normal people started acting like her crew did.
She also warned if any Losties "caught" the "sickness" the Losties must do "what needs to be done."
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Charlotte's last words. :(
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meets young charlotte on the island. yayaya
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I don't masterbate WHILE watching LOST, but I do it afterwards - unless I've cum in my pants at some point during the episode (which I usually have by the opening credits. I remember one time when there was a scene with Sun in a bikini.... ah shit, not again (where's my fecking exclamation marks)
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I saw something weird on you tube, a deleted scene from season 4. It tyakes place right after he turn the wheel. He is in desert and goes to a secret stach where he finds passports and money. Just before he opens it he looks back and see a man lying on the soil that seems to be him (same wear, same position). Does anyone here saw it and has a clue of what it means????
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Sorry, Lamerz, but no, given that Danielle was still pregnant.
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I think it's safe to say the I am on the verge of cumming the entire hour until the big reveal at the end. Than it's like Hurley in a marshmallow factory. Hey and do you people like to watch other people fucking eggs? If so I'll post my youtube video. If not, that's cool. I didn't want you to watch it anyhow(tear,frowny face)
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written down somewhere else and not just on a chalkboard...
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Ben is coming for your ass!
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This show is messing up my head!! Oww! Oww! Owwww!!!
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what kind of eggs? I have to be careful, these are fresh pants.
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That's the promise he is going to keep.
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Fresh pants-meet the guy who fucks eggs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDy2fIknbt8
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Dewey Cox's dad is Jack's grand dad.
Long black hearse,
Clear blue sky,
Preacher says his words
Grown men cry.
Hey, have you heard the news? Dewey Cox died...
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Are you fucking kidding me? Do you know how much information was downloaded in one scene between Danielle and her beau Robert? You people always complain that the show doesn't explain anything and we're getting answers to questions that were posed in the first season.
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Is this show becoming supernatural/fantasy?... Or is it science fiction? Or all the above? Awww, come on Kate! You know you're just setting him up! Eventually, he's going to ask...
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Desmond goes to the island and gets Ben. Bank on it.
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If he did what I think he did, wow! Desmond might go all Laura Roslin on you!
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Lame.
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Really. Please. I'm begging.
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okay, seriously, I don't know what to do?
I do not think fucking eggs is allowed on youtube, and I do not really wish to see it. But I find it hard to resist the urge to see what really is in that video....
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Classic Ben.
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Apologies Famous. Maybe I went a little to far, it was ten years ago though. I hard boil them now. Really hard if you know what I mean. Whats really in the video though? And thanks for watching. So what's haappening on Lost?
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zomg
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I love spoilers so let it rip. I can't watch for another hour anyhow. Did someone just say that Ben killed Penny?
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We're not going to Guam. Are we?
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Awesome. This episode is giving me goosebumps.
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that rascal!
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is that old guy who flew the helicopter on the island? Did they use another actor? Or did he just shaved?
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Penny's still alive, as far as we know, although Ben was definitely pretty bloody and beat up when he called Jack.
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I admit it. I caved and went to youtube. But the address contained a malformed somethingybob. Dammitt now I'll never know....
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Interesting...wtf?? That was crazy. Jin is already, I assume others might be in place.
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and her fucking ultimatiums
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That's the same actor, mistergreen. He cleans up well.
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actually made me audibly gasp that is going to be a crazy episode
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Waaahhh! Really good episode! They built up the pace layer by layer to earn that opening segment, by god.
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Ben made a huge mistake, and he will pay brother!
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...buying up the surplus seats for the flight. Can always count on that character providing comic relief.
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Desmond shoots Ben in the head, but doesn't kill him. Ben then proceeds to blurt our secrets for the next 30 minutes as the Losties stand around him taking it all in.
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Next week, Locke's death and resurrection! Notice how they casually introduced new castaways this episode on the plane. We know what time period the Left Behinders are in, and it looks like they have blended in nicely working for the Dharma Inituitive.
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Jedi Locke in a snuggie!
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Feb 18, 2009 9:16:56 PM CST
Does anybody else think this is all going by too quickly?
by starwarsredux
First, flashbacks. Then, flashforwards. Now, the whole damn show is on fastforward.
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so the island was moving in time even when the everyone was on the island right after the crash?...what happened to Aaron?...did Claire come back for him?...why's Ben all bloody?...red herring?...maybe Penny is still alive...why's Sayid under arrest?...how did Hurley know to show up at the airport?...so many new questions raised tonight!
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Ben's appearance was due to a severe pummeling at the hands of our favorite Scotsman, brotha.
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back to the island. Loved the episode. A few new mysteries, what happened to aaron, why is sayid under criminal transport, how did hurley find out about the flight, who is the mystery passenger, what happened to Ben (the reveal of him covered in blood calling Jack was awesome). What a f'n good episode! I heart you Lost, please never end.
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The beginning opening like the pilot made me jizz. in. my. pants. If Ben killed Penny any good will towards him is now GONE. I almost hope he did so I can see Des bust a cap in his ass. What the hell is in Hurley's gitar case by the way. and how the hell did he get out of jail? God I love this damn show!!!
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No plane, wtf? So, let me get this straight, is destiny what's playing out on this show? And are we seeing what happens when humans develop the ability to time travel? They also touch on a spiritual realm using science, and now there fuck-ups have to be corrected with a little "guidance" from the other side. Science and spirituality?
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mirroring Kate? So did the swann actually bring down 815?
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Well I bought the entire box set, but have watched 2.5 seasons. The show is NOT the best show ever, I'm sorry to say. Some of the main actors are terrible and it's not as complex as others state. I'll take Rome, Deadwood, the Sopranos, Lost and others over The Wire.
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I know it.
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...a brilliantly satisfying way to spend the next several episodes. Instead of dragging is around LA for a month gathering the 6, they give us the end, the arrival on the island, and now we spend a few weeks filling in the blanks. Brilliant.
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STFU you fucking imbecile. This a Lost TB and why don't you reserve judgement on The Wire until you've seen the other half anyway jerkoff? Some of the main actors are terrible? If you're fucked in the head maybe.
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I hope Locke stays dead cuz the writers already did that trick once with Jin not being dead...can they really pull it off twice in a row?...I hope not...takes away any emotional feel for any dead character...and next time anybody dies no one is gonna believe that they are really dead
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Lost end game: at the still-under-construction dharma hatch, Locke has a climatic lightsaber duel with Ben and nearly kills him, all while the O-6 are in force field pods watching. Locke is then given the choice by Richard: finish off Ben or attack Richard. Depending on which the viewer chooses affects the ending: if you finish Ben, the Richard uses the opportunity to attack you, and Locke is rebuilt as an Other Lord, servant of Richard, as Ben was. But if the player attacks richard, Locke beats Richard but doesn't kill him to not turn to the Darkside. Locke sacrifices himself so Oceanic can escape, and they form the Hanso Foundation, who's symbol was the family Crest of Locke the whole time!
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Ben's lawywer busted Hurley out in previous episode. Remember the conversation in the parking lot?
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Oh yeah. But where the hell has he been. who told him about Ajira? I'm sure we will find out eventually.
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Best episode yet this season, and one of the best i've seen. So many answers. And next week's looks AMAZING!!
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1. I don't think Sayid new he was on the Lost Island Express till he saw Jack get on the plane. (He did an oh shit double take) 2. It looks like we will get an episode for each character explaining how they got to the airport. 3. I think the O6, Ben and Lipidus might have flashed to the 70's but the plane crashed in the present. Why? Because of the water bottle from the Ajira plane, at their camp in present day times. This means the plane probably went down, but it couldn't have done it in the 70's. 4. I think the guy who gave jack his condolences might work for Widmore, just a feeling.
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C'mon..PROXIES! Guitar case to represent Charlie...US Marshall to represent Kate's US Marshall. Fahey to represent pot smokers and new guy to represent rascist comments. Bury him alive!!!!
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Anyone else hear the Wilhelm Scream (ahhhAHHHHHHahhhh!) during the white flash on the plane?
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Hurley was told by invisible dead people to get on the plane (including, I bet, Charlie, who else would tell him to bring a guitar)
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I doubt those numerous references to no one remembering the plane crashing just being throw away lines, as well as the fact that there was no debris anywhere? Is it possible they were teleported off the plane? With the other people maybe still being on it? Regardless, best episode of the season in my opinion. Glad they have these "big" episodes constantly, rather than just saving them for finales.
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Sure did, good ear!
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did anyone notice the blonde woman sitting next to him at the bar when he gets the phone call? the way the camera focused on her for a split second, and her placement on screen just screamed "REMEMBER ME FOR LATER". i rewound it several times trying to figure out if it's anyone we know, but i can't make out her face.
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I bet Charlie told him. And it's Charlie's guitar case.
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Too obvious that Ben killed Penny, I think he killed Eloise so that Widmore can never find the island now since she seems to be the only one who could pinpoint it. His injuries are probably from blowing up the Lamppost?
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Also, how come no one has mentioned the significance (or coincidence?) of the shift/plane crash happening RIGHT as Jack read John's suicide note?
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Jack is Thomas.
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Eloise asked JAck to get something of Christian's to 'recreate' 815 crash. So what's the mystery behind 815's crash? Was it really Desmond who caused it? Or was that also a recreation of another crash?
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You really need to hold off judgement until you've seen seasons 3 and 4 (not quite so much season 5). Especially season 4 - it's fucking killer. And - I have to say that Hobo's right - the ensemble that is The Wire is probably the best overall cast in the history of TV. I love me my Lost too, but - seriously, hold off judgement until you've seen the whole thing.
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I DID notice that. It almost looked like she was about to turn around and say something to Jack but then his phone rang. Very interesting.
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I know, already been said... but that line was priceless.
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...that Michael would end up being Kevin Johnson, so what do we know?
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Lost is my favorite show. Ever. But The Wire is RIGHT there with it.
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Because then I wouldn't have had that absolutely *wonderful* surprise when I hear Lapidus' voice as the plane's pilot. I can't tell you how wide my smile was when he showed up. Geeking out to the extreme! Like, serious warm fuzzies (could I sound any gayer?). And I'm guessing that since Ben didn't manipulate Hurley into coming, it was the Island (that also got Sayid on the plane), but the Island in the form of Ghost Charlie.
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Could be the lawyer... but looks more likely Hurley came around some other means. Remember how at start of Season4 he felt guilty about leaving all people behind? Even in The Lie we see him burdened by guilt. So am sure Libby or Charlie sent him a message to get back to Island. Him buying all the seats shows how worked up he was about going back.
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Disappointing in that Mrs. Hawking didn't really pay Des any attention. No "Oh hey, its you!" or "Thank you for pressing the button all this time!" That was extremely anti-climactic and not the reunion I expected.
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I guess you'd have to assume at this point that YES, he does go back to kill Ben for killing Penny. I can't think of any other way he'd go back. But it does seem way too obvious that he killed Penny.
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I got a call and missed that last part. Did Jin recognize them or not?
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He sorta smirks at them in a recognizing kinda way.
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It would be extremely hilarious if angry Desmond was nailed by that pendelum as he walked away. It looked like he was just barely missing it.
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Oops, wrong TB.
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So thats how Ben gets Desmond to go back. Poor Penny :( We will miss you.
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Come on, how badass would that reveal have been?
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killed Aaron. There I said it.
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I mean, I knew it wouldn't happen bc it kills the suspense. But the back of my head kept telling me "in real life he's going to back right into that thing."
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I mean come on, Locke visited Walt when he made it back to the US, he was on the plane, he left the Island-- shouldn't he come back?!? And have a happy reunion with Ghost Dad Michael?
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I noticed during the flight that the interior of the plane and the losties on it, kinda looked like the TV movie for the Langoliers, when they go through that time rip or whatever and only some of them are still on the plane. So maybe, they just left the plane when they crossed time, or better yet the plane around them disappeared and they fell in the water.
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sayidwas captured for the murders a few episodes back, so Hurley was released. Hurley saw Charlie's "ghost" again. charlie must have told him to take a guitar back to the island for him. sun is still working for Widmore, so she somehow believes going back will help him find the island.
I am pretty sure after Charles Widmore urged Desmond to keep penny safe, Ben must have killed her. It was probably his plan all along. he knew jacob wanted Locke to move the island, but he wanted to leave so he could go after Penny. He figured he could do that and return to the island without Charles ever finding it. ben always has a plan, you know. -
Great fucking speech by Ben regarding John The Apostle. And as far as the eggs go, technotranceporter or the eggcident
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Ben probably did not kill Penny...if he did I think they would have shown it...the fact that they WANTED us to believe that he killed Penny leads me to believe that something else happened...nothing is as it appears to be on LOST...and by the way are Ben, Frank and Sun in another time?...because if they were in the same time then wouldn't Ben run into a younger version of himself at the Dharma camp?
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So Des and Suns baby werent on the plane, but Walt and Aaron were. Will we ever see Walt again? Were he and Aaron on the plane? Now that weve learned so much Im tempted to go back and rewatch this entire season.
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Feb 18, 2009 10:24:25 PM CST
That looked like Ben's blood on his face, not someone elses
by chimpjnr
Why would anyone think that he killed someone else. Looked like he got a good shoeing from someone.
The Arabic guy on the plane...wasn't he the sympathetic enemy in "Three Kings" who poured oil down Marky Mark's throat? He has to be a major character going forwards. -
More similarities between 316 and 815. Sayid may have gotten himself intentionally arrested. On 815, Kate was under arrest and being escorted by the marshall. And here Sayid is arrested and being escorted.
Also, Aaron wasn't technically "on" the plane...Claire was pregnant with him. I'm thinking he didn't need to go back, and Kate jumped Jack's bones to get herself knocked up to substitute for a pregnant Claire. -
Um....what?
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I suspect Hurley got the information from the ghost that he sees (probably Charlie, which might explain the guitar case).
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The writers seem to be fixated on C.S.Lewis this season (obviously with Charolette and other themes). The new Dharma station "The Lamp Post" was a direct reference to the lamp post used (in particular) in the "Magician's Nephew" and "Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe". The lamp post was, if you will, the gateway into Narnia. (It was the first thing to "sprout" during Narnia's creation and the first thing Lucy sees upon entering the world).
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The island allowed him and Michael to leave, but the circumstances caused Michael to return to finish his fate. I don't think the island requires Walt, which is why he won't be back.
Interesting thought though - remember how Michael could not kill himself no matter how hard he tried? Now think how hard of a time the Oceanic6 had trying to leave the island but where prevented from leaving each time.
They weren't meant to leave and the island was trying to prevent it, just like the way that Michael was not supposed to die yet. Charlie was meant to die and kept avoiding it, but it was inevitable - he had to die for other things to happen that must happen. Just like that they must return to island. It has to happen because that is what fate has determined.
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OOOOO Nice observation
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el teacher got the Narnia reference from reading Doc Jensen's column in Entertainment Weekly...he had an entire article that dealt with CS Lewis Lost references in today's column
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He's not come back, though one can say he already left without causing any issues. After building up Walt way they did for so long, where is he now? Is it coz Walt doesn't fit in overall scheme of things and was merely filler character to make show seem mysterious?
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Nice. Below the belt, but nice.
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I'm trying to remember, didn't someone say the same thing to Jack when he got onto Oceanic 815? Maybe this new guy is a proxy for whoever that was.
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Feb 18, 2009 10:43:49 PM CST
Most of this episode was setting up future flashbacks for S.5
by tallboy66
Not that I mind, but you could totally see where it's going for plot structure. The On Island stuff will take place during the DHARMA years will all the Losties back together, and each of the O6 will get their individual flashbacks to find out what happened to them on their lead-up to getting on flight 316. (Aaron missing, Ben beat up, Syaid in captivity, etc. etc.) Only awkward stuff, even though it was cool to find out, was how exposition-heavy Mrs. Hawking's scenes were. It was like a solid 10 minutes of her just monologing and explaining. Could have been handled a bit more elgantly, is all I'm saying. But, hey, any answer is a good answer. (don't quite know how the island was moving through time without anyone noticing, or them time-traveling back to other times on the island like the time-traveling losties are doing now, but, what the hey.)
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Walt will be in next week's episode so calm down
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My apologies. I actually did not read Doc's article today (I'll check it out). The Lamp Post thing did truly ring a bell though while watching the episode.
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Remember he met Anna Lucia at the airport bar. Things were happening again, only slightly differently.
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maybe they were moving through time in minutes or seconds and not years and that's why no one noticed...hence the experiment with Faraday's rocket
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but why would fight 316 fly over the island at some exactly specific moment in 2006 so the O6 could get back? If the island was only jumping seconds ahead, why would it be there in 2006? (and why would they end up back in the late 80s/early 90s) I like the micro-jump explanation, but I don't think it meshes with how they got back.
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James Joyce's "Ulysses", a book that was designed to be printed on a spiral binding and could be started at any page. In other words, when you're finished, you end up right back where you started. Doc Jensen's gonna love that at EW.
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I want the t-shirt. Someone make this happen.
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I've seen that mobisode twice and I'm still waiting for it to pay off. Christian gave Jack the watch so Jack gives Locke the watch and BANG-O, Locke has a watch-o. Maybe because it wasn't Christian's watch anymore, it was Jack's.... GODDAMNIT, somebody pay off that Watch mobisode! Right! Now! (I like how there was finally, FINALLY an explanation as to why Vision-Christian was wearing tennis shoes in his early appearances.)
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you know i had a nice bubble theory for the island that i was about to type but it completely popped (pun intended) when i realized that it cant really be explained until we figure out why some people are jumping around and end up in different eras and why some don't
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you know i had a nice bubble theory for the island that i was about to type but it completely popped (pun intended) when i realized that it cant really be explained until we figure out why some people are jumping around and end up in different eras and why some don't
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Charlie: ...Huuugo!
Hugo: yeah, dude?
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Ok, so I just read Doc Jensen's article over at EW. Wow. He refers to Prince Caspian and links you over to an on-line book of the collected seven books. Page 316 is "unviewable", however, page 317, the first page of P.C. is entitled "The Island". Whew. It gets even better with Doc's connection with "Dawn Treader"...I suggest the read.
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..So if Charlotte was a girl back in the day of the Dharma
Is it possible that Jin or Sun is/were the one/s that teach/taught her Korean..hmmm.
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Good theory. Jin taught her Korean. I give it 9 to 1 odds.
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I know, I know. I'm a horrible jerk. I can't help it, I just love that bug-eyed, manipulative, badder-ass-than-he-looks psychotic. He's just too great a character for me to hate him.
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to prevent an awkward scene where she meets herself as a child. Or did the island kill her for that reason?
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Page 316 is viewable...it's a dedication page to 'Mary Clare Havard'
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Ok..well, the page isn't displaying for me. Does it say anything of importance?
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Even when he is making a joke he lies. "How can you read." "My mother thought me."
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nope...all it says is "To Mary Clare Havard'...then like you said Page 317 is the beginning of Prince Caspian...unless the name is an anagram for something else I don't see the significance
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..."Y, the Last Man" en espanol!
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I believe that was BKV's arc "One Small Step" and, in the end, it's about a trio of astronauts (two male, one female) landing back on the unmanned Earth and, in the end, both of the guys die and the female is preggers with one of their kids. Rant about THAT for 1000 words or so, Doc Jensen!!
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to endanger all those pretty stewardesses was it?
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Look, I like LOST, okay? I've watched it since the beginning and I salute its craftsmanship and all that. And I don't mind dragging out certain mysteries and now that we all know officially that the show is about time-travel and whatnot, dragging out other things. Hey, it's a TV show and you want people to come back the next week.But what has pissed me off with each successive season is that the characters get DUMBER with each passing year. In Season One, they crash...they're stranded...they're trying to figure out where they are, what's up with this place they find themselves stranded in...all that's good. And overall, they take some basically LOGICAL actions.But compare that to last week's episode and tonight's. You have them coming to this church where in a secret room Eloise tells them about how scientists found the island and how it's moving through time. But you' think that SOMEONE would be the voice of reason and say "What the FUCK are you talking about?" Okay, Desmond can even be that person when he said "You say the Island's not done with me yet. Well, I'm done with it!" and then he storms out.Except at THAT point don't you think SOMEONE should have the brains to turn to the old lady and say "WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN? What do you mean the Island isn't done with him...or her...or ME...just yet? Will someone tell me what the fuck is up with this Island?" But you never get that -- instead Jack goes off with Old Lady who gives him more cryptic lines and Jack, a fucking educated doctor, just goes along and NEVER asks anything reasonable. No questions about WHY he has to go back...no questions about ANYTHING. It's like they're all programmed zombies.So like I said, I enjoy watching the show for what it is -- but seriously the characters have become fucking dumb asses compared to what any REAL person would actually do if you were living out the scenario of LOST. Seriously, ask yourself that: if YOU were one of these characters, would you ACTUALLY be acting this way and NOT asking ANY questions any time you ran into someone (like the old lady) who obviously IS in on things?
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As I already said, missed the last part so didn't see the previews. about time Walt showed up.
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Maybe something to do with fact that by now they're realized there are bigger forces at work here which aer beyond their comprehension, so kinda trusting the one who seems to know better than they do.
But yeah, though it explains Desmond, who's had his fair share of weirdness, but Jack? I don't think he has really experienced ANYTHING so far that would make him privy to Island's time travel and similar powers.
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Or was this all a bit too neat - I hope it all gets explained in the future, but Kate just suddenly having a change of heart, and Hurley and Sayid (w/cop in tow) showing up on the plane piloted by Frank... with not much of an explanation - it felt like they just rushed past a lot of important stuff.
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Way back in season 1
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The best Lost of the season although Im sure Im in the minority. The sci-fi episodes are fun but the episodes with powerful dramatic story lines and acting are always my favorite and when you can combine the two ie: The Constant. You get some pretty great stuff. This ep was just fantastic tho Loved every second of it, and Loved the Jack Locke moments. Jack usually delivers on the emotional dramatic eps and this is one of the finest of them all. The Y the last man/ Brian K Vaghn reference was pretty damn cool too.
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Eloise said the Island was always moving, which is why it is so hard to find. That does not mean moving in time. Think about it, if it was just moving in time it would still be in the same place so could easily be found. If it's moving in space, but not time, it cannot be found. If it's moving both in time and space, it moves back to a previous location in a past time, or forward to a future location in future time.
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She got knocked up by Jack on purpose. Wasn't anyone else wondering why she was cheery one minute and all somber the next?
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That was weird when you couldn't hear anyone for like 20 seconds, the fuck was that about? I can't wait for next week's episode, gonna be off the hook
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How did Sayid get on the plane?
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If Locke is now alive...then Christian is no ghost. Also explains why he wanted to keep Claire around...for a little...you know...
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That's how fucking great this show is. I'm past the point of debating much since my mind is blown week after week. What tonight's episode was meant to accomplish is to set up the next chunk of the season. Everything we saw tonight and didn't understand will be paid off. My initial thoughts was Ben tried to kill Penny, although I don't think Ben is a hands on killer. Keamy killed Alex. It was a hired thug. I don't think Ben would do it with his own hands. I think he and Sayid went at it and Sayid kicked the shit out of him again. Either that or Whidmore kicked the shit out of him. As for Kate, I was expecting her first words when she came to back on the island were going to be "Where's Sawyer?" thus breaking Jack's heart again. I also agree with the she nailed Jack to get pregnant theory and perhaps Ben took Aaron from her and told her this is what she had to do to get him back. The moment of the night was Jin recognizing them. That was kick ass. What a show.
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You're right. Putting a highly educated doctor like Jack and a successful multi-millionaire businesswoman like Sun and a world traveler like Desmond (given his military or sailing days) and then having some old woman that they've never seen before telling them that AN ENTIRE ISLAND IS PHYSICALLY LEAPING AROUND THE EARTH LIKE A FROG, LITERALLY VANISHING FROM PLACE TO PLACE still wouldn't warrant someone in the room having the natural reaction of saying "What the FUCK are you talking about, you old crow???"You're right: better to be one of these dumb asses and shrug your shoulders and say "Eh, whatever" and then do whatever the old bag told you to do, absolutely NO questions asked. Yeah, that's how any REAL person in life would react to the nonsensical bullshit Eloise was spewing.
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"That's why they call it a leap of faith, Jack." Hello, have you seen this show?
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I was lukewarm so far this season - it wasn't kicking my ass like BSG - but this is the first episode I've been really excited about. Can't wait to see the fate of Mr. Bentham. And Frank Lapidus is my hero.
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I think he was fake-arrested or set up by Ben. I think they knew the only way to get him to go back would be dead, unconscious or handcuffed. And as far as parallels go, I do recall someone else was in cuffs in the first "crash".
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Yes I know it was Kate.
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You said (quote): "Maybe something to do with fact that by now they're realized there are bigger forces at work here which are beyond their comprehension, so kinda trusting the one who seems to know better than they do."Except that goes right back to my bitch about these people being utter dumb asses. If they don't know what's going on and they feel there's higher forces at work and you suddenly ran into someone who was ponying up some explanations, why wouldn't you KEEP asking as many questions as possible? But instead we get Eloise explaining how they found the island...giving them traveling orders...and everyone's like "Well, okay! Sounds good to me!"Plus, the moment Eloise says to Desmond "The island's not done with you yet" the very fact that she used the word "done" should have made someone in the room...anyone with half a brain...turn and say to her: "What does that MEAN? Being done implies that we're supposed to DO something. So what ARE we supposed to do? And saying the island's not done with us YET implies there IS an end point when we WILL be done, so just WHEN is that? When we do WHAT will we finally be done?"Which brings us full circle to my post and the fact that these characters are getting dumber season by season for never asking the most BASIC questions of all. Seriously, if you were in the room with Eloise and she started saying the shit that she did, how could you NOT ask things like: "Wait a minute! Who the fuck are you, Old Lady? Were you part of Dharma? What did you do for them? Why are you the only one here in this church? If you are here alone or the only surviving Dharma person, then how the hell do you even know who we are? And what's this room doing in the bottom of the church? Why doesn't the government know about it? Oh, there's an island moving through space due to electro-magnetic energy? Gee, you'd think SOMEONE in the outside science world would want to know about this! So why DON'T they? And all that aside, why the hell do WE need to go back to the island? And what do you mean THE ISLAND isn't done with us yet? An island is a fucking land mass, not a living thing. So how what does IT...a non-living pile of dirt and rock...have to do with us being 'done' with anything?"Like I said, fun show, nicely crafted for what it is -- but these characters are utter dumb asses. So I'll enjoy the show for what it is, but saying it's the most brilliant thing ever on TV when the people don't even ACT like rational, real people...like they did in Season 1 or even 2...makes this show more retarded as it goes along.
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just watched the prviews for next week again and noticed that as Locke is getting ready to hang himself aman is kneeling down in front of him...was that Ben?...maybe Locke did not kill himself but was killed instead?...the coolest scene was Locke wearing the Jedi robe and pulling down the hood saying, "my name is John Locke"...next week should be off the charts!
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He told Jack that his mom taught him how to read but we know she died giving birth to him and he grew up without a stepmom. I know he was being faceitious with Jack and Jack doesn't know about Ben's mom but it seemed like an odd thing for him to say, even in jest.
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I hear you BUT! Jack and the Oceanic 6 did see an entire island disappear in front of their eyes from the helicopter so... i'm sure i'd be more accepting of craziness after what they have been through.
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EXACTLY!!! I felt like that line was address to the audience as well.
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...and say the episode felt "rushed" and that it felt like a lot of things weren't answered as to how and why the others arrived at the airport. NO FUCKING SHIT. What do you think the rest of the episodes of the season are for? We will find out.Thank you. End of rant.
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if the island is in a different space and time, how the hell did the freighter from last season find it?...as far as what happened to Aaron...I think Kate took him to Sawyer's baby's mama...and he is being raised along with Clementine (Sawyer's daughter's name)
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I don't think the characters are getting dumber, they are just getting more and more used to the fact that they have no idea what is going on, will never have any idea what is going on, and any attempt to ask anyone who knows what is going on is met with some bullshit misleading answer (i.e. Ben). Also, it seems like they usually don't give a shit. The only people throughout the series who ask good questions are Locke (out of curiosity) and Sayid (the smartest character who is best at keeping people alive). Furthermore, they are kind of dumb fucks now that I think about it. At least they are not inquisitive and only concerned with things that matter to their ordinary lives. Oh yeah, and one last reason, there isn't time in a 40 minutes episode for everyone to ask every question that should be asked and be denied an answer - we have to suspend our disbelief a little.
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That's where he made the phone call from while covered in blood.
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...Brother Campbell? There is some connection between them a la the photo and their connection to Desmond. Campbell is a monk who figured out the location of the island while at the church in LA. He might look too young but remember that scene was a long time ago, before Desmond even met Penny.
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Come on, give me a break. Eloise's bogus line about taking a leap of faith occurs in the back room, when she privately tells Jack he needs to make Locke (in his casket) more like his Dad, so the island will "take them" during their flight. So let's be honest here. That's it's nothing more than a typical LOST excuse line -- it's yet another tossed off excuse that we're supposed to buy into, so the characters will stay in motion, all the while never once questioning what the hell is going on like any REAL person would. Seriously, even if Jack is willing to fall for that "leap of faith" line, why wouldn't Sun or Ben or Desmond simply corner Eloise themselves and say "Drop the holier than thou, smart-ass attitude, you old crow, and tell me what's going on or I'm gonna knock you on your wrinkled old ass. Go on. I'm not going anywhere. Start spilling."Or look at it this way: last week centered on Sun being SO mad at Ben that she was willing to pull a FUCKING GUN ON HIM AND KILL HIM IN COLD BLOOD, which she then pulled back on once Ben told her he could prove Jin was still alive. And just HOW could he do that? Why, by taking her to see someone. So with that in mind, you'd think that once she was down in the basement and hearing all this bullshit about electro-magnetic fields and a frog-leaping island that Sun would now ask Eloise all sorts of questions about the what the fuck is going on BECAUSE of Jin. You'd think that given what she did with Ben, that this week she would have pulled the gun out again and pushed Eloise against a wall and simply said "Bitch, IF this guy's telling me the truth and my husband is still alive somehow, then you're giving me ALL the answers I want RIGHT NOW." At which point the ridiculous "leap of faith" argument doesn't even enter into things.So basically you're post about Eloise's "leap of faith comment" and then saying to me "Hello, have you seen the show?" STILL doesn't address the logical points I raised about any of these characters asking Eloise the most BASIC questions of all -- especially once she's CLEARLY indicated to them that she knows PLENTY more about what is actually going on.But hey, having people running around that have absolutely NO curiosity about WHY they're being sent places or WHY they're being made to do things or WHY everyone talks in cryptic short sentences that they'll just follow BLINDLY or even WHAT is going on overall makes for such amazingly realistic and well-written characters, the best in TV history according to some people here (insert mocking eye-roll here)
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I enjoyed the episode, but did anyone else feel that the whole Grandpa thing came out of left field? Only thrown in to get Jack something to give Locke? There didn't seem to be much feelings between them and the whole time I kept thinking great now your leaving Grandpa is going to run off again and get kicked out with no one to help him out. Although as I write this I just remembered that Jacks Mom is still around. The guy didn't even seem like an old Grandpa that would have a grandson Jack's age. He seemed the same age as Christian.
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Ben is a compulsive LIAR. I thought it hilarious that he made that joke about his mother, given how much she means to him (see MBTC).
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Great episode. Light a smoke. This may get long winded.
I was so nervous watching that Mrs. Eloise Exposition scene. I thought I heard Fonzie...very faintly...starting up his motorcycle in the distance. Luckily...there would be no shark jump.
I know a lot of you were anxious to have Sun say..."Hang on, old white lady. What do you mean the island is always moving...in time? Explain to me how any of this is even remotely possible!". I'm kinda glad she didn't. Had she...uh...expositioned...any further...I think Fonzie would have been Dharma Shark chum. I'm happy they left the mysterious island...mysterious.
So, Hobo, I owe you a beer, buddy! They made it back...in 46 hours! Unfuckinbelievable! Of course...I had no idea they were gonna gloss over how Kate, Hurley & Sayid got "persuaded" to be on that flight so quickly. Obviously, we will be treated to those juicy details via flash forwards from the swingin '70's island. A brilliant move. (Anyone else notice this was the first episode this season to NOT use the whooshing flashback/forward sound effect? Although the Wilhelm scream was well played!). I can't wait to see what went down when Ben met Penny at the marina. I fear the worst, my friends...But Penny's death...(or possibly...near death?) is the ONLY reason Mr. Hume will return to that island...and he will. It'll be interesting to see if another "window" to the island will open up for our favorite Scotsman.
QUESTIONS:
1. What the hell did Kate do with Aaron? (Don't say "she ate him"!!) I mean...it was obviously a very trumatic exchange. Did she get a visit from a 'Deadie'? Um, well...she's already had a vision of Claire Bear...I guessing Claire was waiting for her when she got Aaron safely back home...and Claire told her that unless she went back...Aaron would die. Which you would think she would be able to TELL Jack. No...something more happened. Any guesses? What if she told her SAWYER would die? Hmmmmmmm? That's something she might keep from Jack.
2. Hugo's on the plane? Yep...Good 'ol Charlie musta hit up Hurley the moment he walked outta jail. "Don't forget to pack a guitar, mate!". Which is fine...but...still...Chawlee has shown up before and Hurley blew him off...so...Why did this visit stick? What convinced Hugo. Did he pull out the whole "Don't let me have died in vain" card? Maybe...I have a feeling there's more to it than that.
Sayid got busted? Hmmmmm...I don't think Sayid got visited by anyone dead...if he did...it would have been extra-hole Shannon, I'm guessing. But...We've never SEEN Sayid have a visit by any 'Deadies'. My guess...he falls victim to another of Ben's Long Cons. He sends Mr. Jarrod to kill...I dunno...an Economist...or somebody...whose prosecution would take place somewhere Ben needed Sayid to be...like...say...Guam, for instance. Ben was pushing Sayid to kill...so he could make sure he would be captured at the exact moment he needed Sayid to be transported to Guam...as a fugitive, ala the proxy for 815's Kate. Ben is a smart mother fucker.
4. What did Ben, Kate & Sun bring to the party? I mean...Jack brought a dead guy wearing his Dad's shoes. Hurley has a guitar. Sayid is 'the fugitive'. What were their proxies?
5. Lapidus...did he make the jump, too? What about the other passengers?
6. Ajira 316 didn't crash? Did the island just 'pluck' Ben & the 0-6 out of thin air?
7. Dharma Jin drove up to the scene pretty quickly...with gun in tow...eerily reminiscent of the Others reaction to 815 breaking up over the island. What let the Dharmites know they had 'visitors' if there wasn't a crash leading them to find them?
8. Who was the 'smart man' who built the "Lamp Post" pendulum room all those years ago? Alvar Hanso himself? Nah....my money's on....Daniel Farraday.
Ok...I have tons more questions...but lets get to the...
ANSWERS:
1. Christian's inappropriate sneakers! I can't even imagine how giddy Darlton is to pay off on Season One mysteries. Now we know. I loved Jack's line "Wherever you are, Locke...you gotta be laughin yer ass off at this". Again...goes back to S1...Jack vs Locke dynamics. Thank you, ABC, for this LOST end date. If they hadn't allowed it...that scene might not have been seen until 3 seasons from now...or not at all, because LOST gets cancelled for low ratings due to stalling and padding.
2. Ben is Eloise's bitch! If ya wondered if there was a pecking order...Mrs Exposition is tops. Loved Ben's line "You're the one who got to stay after class with, Mrs Hawking". And...she totally called him out as a 'liar' in front of the whole group. Priceless reaction shot.
3. The whole "exposition" scene explained the island's mysterious power comes from a vast amount magnetic energy...but...we kinda already knew that...and it moves through time differently than the outside world...which...we already knew, too. CHRIST!! I'm back to...
QUESTIONS!
9. What the hell else did that scene tell us?!!
10. Why wasn't Jack reading that damn Dharma binder she gave him on the plane ride? Locke's suicide note (which was written by Ben, btw. Locke had 'help' in his suicide. Long Con much?) only took 2 seconds to read!! I would have been all over that damn Dharma info! Doctors are suppose to be smart, right?
Ok...it's 2:26am...and you guys are bored as fuck of my ramblings. But, I'd love to hear your thoughts on all those questions up there^^^.
Ahhhh....Next week...Vincent will return? Please?
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lol I agree about the Grandpa stuff...that came out of left field...plus in real life the actor playing his Grandpa (Raymond J. Barry) is only 11 years older then John Terry (Christian Shephard)...and John Terry is only 16 years older than Matthew Fox...so the ages don't quite fit but they all do look somewhat alike
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when the OC 6 were getting on the plane. It was the same music played when they boarded 815 and later used for any reunion moment, but it was changed just enough to make you uneasy like something was about to go wrong. (Or to help you further feel what they were all feeling.) Michael Giacchino is a music God!
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Anyone notice in next weeks previews that Locke had a conversation with Widmore and he told Locke some important things?
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I hope Jin's English isn't perfected from his time working for Dharma like on Heroes when Future Hiro Nakamura spoke with an American accent.
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The characters have too much at stake to violently confront the lady that may bring them back to their loved ones. Desmond reacted accordingly and split. All the others have loved ones at stake (or guilt).
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Well, it has been 3 years. And Dharma obviously taught Korean to children... so is it so far fetched they taught a grown Korean man English? =) Great fucking episode. Top notch.
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There were bottles that wound up in the future, as shown in The Little Prince.
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Asshole
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As I said before, the irony and hilarity in Ben's line about his mother teaching him to read is so quintessential Ben. Sure, on the surface it's kinda funny, but below it's actually rather dark and disturbing.
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I feel ya, brutha...I do. I was busy posting my long ass post while your rant was going on. WHY?!!
Nobody ever asks WHY?!! Since Season 1, nobody's ever asked WHY?!! And when somebody DOES ask a relevant question...it gets brushed off with a non-answer, a half answer...or the smoke monster interupts them BEFORE they can answer! I can see why somebody might say "Well...That's LOST!"...
But you are absolutly right to feel the way you do. You are living vicariously through these characters...They're suppose to be smart people...you're a...well...probably better than average intelligence Big Ape...YOU want the CHARACTERS to ask the questions YOU are asking yourself. WHY? Why does the island move? What the fuck happens if I DON'T go back? WHY should I go back?!!
Unfortunatly...there's only TWO characters on LOST who ASK those kind of questions...they are like us...they are the show's surrogate audience members...and neither of them were standing in The Pendulum room. Had Sawyer & Hurley been in that room...that scene would have taken the entire hour to finish. They would have interupted Mrs. Exposition after every sentence.
"Um...excuse me, Mrs. Butterworth. What the fuck are you talking about? The island is playin time hopscotch? Yer a loony crazy old bitch. Now tell me, in plain ass English, what the fuck is really goin on...or, I swear to God, I'll rip that fuckin pendulum down"
"Yeah, dude. This isn't making any sense at all. If we crashed on it in 2004...when we got off the island it was still 2004...so...how exactly did it move through time while we were on it? And speak nice and slow...or I'll eat that fuckin pendulum!".
But...In reality...each 0-6'er doesn't really NEED to know what the island's "calling" is...or what is the mystical mumbo jumbo behind it. Everybody has a their OWN independent reasons for going back...
1. JACK - Realizes his life will continue to deteriorate until he gets this island shit over with. He was attempting suicide a few months back. He's a pill poppin alcoholic...His career's in the shitter...Kate left him...Oh...and let's not forget his guilt over Locke's demise. At this point, "Anywhere's better than here" is the only validation he needs.
2. KATE - No idea what it is yet...but she got some bad fuckin news...and/or had to do something with Aaron that was so bad...so, she has no choice BUT to return.
3. HURLEY - Ditto.
4. SUN - She HAS to find out if Jin is alive or not. Sure...she could have put a gun to Eloise's head and demanded answers...but killing Ben or Eloise isn't gonna confirm anything for her either way. Like the apostle...she has to go see 'the wounds' for herself. It matters not to her the physics of the island.
5. SAYID - He doesn't have much of a choice now, does he?
6. BEN - The island is his home. He just wants to get home.
7. DESMOND - Ben killed his wife...and Des know where Ben calls 'home'.
So...as I tried to explain in my long ass post above...I'm GLAD they didn't invent some mystical, magicial voodoo bullshit backstory that the island has to live up to...(Cue the Fonz)...Darlton was smart enough to make the island's reasons WHY they have to go back moot. They now have their OWN reasons.
Sure...it took the whole episode to set all that up...(and possibly some future episodes)...But, the WHY is no longer some far out, sci-fi explanation. It's personal.
So, while I agree with you...the characters SHOULD be asking MORE questions in pivotal scenes like the "Lamp Post"...it's ok with me if the payoff is as good as where tonight's installment left off.
Cuz..afterall..."That's LOST"!
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We know exactly what Kate did to Aaron.
And I'm pretty sure we've gotten to the point in this talkback where I don't even have to say it, and everyone would know what I meant. -
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Go back and read my long ass post BEFORE the last one. I addressed your 'joke' there.
And...the Ajira water bottle in the outrigger does NOT 'confirm' the 316 plane actually crashed. Coulda been from another flight? Or arrived via a boat. Somebody was clutching it when the plane went through the 'time jump'? -
You're post was well-worth taking the time to write up since you made some solid points about each of the characters and their emotional motivations for doing what they do, and I can appreciate and understand that. So kudos to you.And sorry to rant so much about the characters acting like illogical dumb asses. As I said before, overall I do love LOST and enjoy it a lot, and I understand it's still an ever-unfolding mystery, it just bugs me that after all this time -- like you yourself noted -- no one ever asks a simple "why" about anything when actually given the chance. But as others have noted, I guess that's just LOST! So, on we go to next week and Locke hanging himself!
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I am in love with this brilliant episode! Lost has been pretty good this season but this ep really makes me feel from this ep on it will be 10 out of 10s , Lockes ep looks so amazing. JAck Rules! Lost Rules
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nice post, thought this ep was the best so far this season, jack starting in the jungle *just* like episode 1 and ENDING in the exact same spot was brilliant, with that jin payoff at the end. //////// You do have a tendancy to miss out on the details though, the aijira bottle in the boat wasn't the only thing, they came across the camp on the beach where there was a ton of crap from the airline. ////// cue preview for next week at the end of the episode: we see locke somehow alive (whaaaat???) and directing a new group of losties (some of the other people on the plane). Basically, our regular crew are now trapped in dharmaland and Locke is now going to have to lead this new group of crash survivors, perhaps they become new "others" (John leads them all to richard), who knows. This show has kept me salivating for a new episode every week its been on since about season 2, it's not like I'm going to stop watching now.
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so the people left behind on the island that are now part of Dharma have been in that time period for 3 years?...I thought the island people that were jumping through time so much were hopping back and forth for a couple of days max...so are they now supposed to have been in the 70's for 3 years?...this latest time jump has me really confused...so it took Locke 3 years from the time he left the island to find the Oceanic 6 and get that to come back?...can someone confirm or deny this for me
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Sorry... was about to post something prolific but got trumped by my cat walking on the keyboard. Why the fuck did no one ask Ben how he got so fucked up? He was SO beaten up it goes beyond anyone thinking that no one cares about him as a person. This season has been lackluster at best. We watched two fucking pointless minutes of Jack putting on Locke's shoes for christ sake. You can argue that its character development but how much was actually answered? This season has sucked the longitude of Atlantis. Season 3 all over again is what I say. Complete shit.
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The movie they make after the series finale better be someone going down a long list of questions garnered from LOSTpedia, answering them.
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>so the people left behind on the >island that are now part of >Dharma have been in that time >period for 3 years?
No, prolly just a few days.
>...I thought the island people >that were jumping through time so >much were hopping back and forth >for a couple of days max...
that's right, just for a few days.
>so are they now supposed to have >been in the 70's for 3
>years?...
nope, just a few days. 3 years is how much time elapsed for the Oceanic 6 and the Oceanic 6 only but once they meet up with their old friends, only the Oceanic 6 will have aged 3 years.
Basically, Sawyer's friends got off the island, then came back a few days later but 3 years older.
>this latest time jump has me >really confused...so it took >Locke 3 years from the time he >left the island to find the >Oceanic 6
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damn the aicn formatting. Titus05, while only a few days have elapsed for the islanders, 3 years have elapsed for the Oceanic 6. Both groups will meet up soon. When Jin saw Jack, Kate and Co., he was shocked to see them looking 3 years older. When they saw Jin, they were shocked that he was still alive.
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Yes.
That is correct. Presumably now we'll see how our left-behinders intergrate into dharma (and hopefully get alot of S1 and S2 answers via dharma oldies like goodspeed, candle, eetc ... hopefully alot of info on the tothers and the really old shit on the island. -
in addition to the narnia reference, one of the most famous passages of the bible is john 3:16 (as an atheist of jewish heritage, i only know this because it's on the bottom of the cups at in & out burger). from biblegateway.com: John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." there was that conversation between ben and jack about the apostle thomas not believing jesus was resurrected, blah blah blah, you get the point. john 3:16, as in john locke will have eternal life and reborn as a jedi master, as shown by the scenes from next week. as for tonight's episode, i thought the first 20 minutes was idiotic (would they all really agree to eloise's crazy plan without question. that's a serious lapse of critical thinking) but i fucking loved everything from the halfway point on. great set-up for the next few months. lupides lives!!
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the 06 have been off island for the three years, how long that is on-island we could probably figure out but I'm not sure what the time differential is. Anways...that'd be why they had "flashbacks" (if you will) showing the 06's discussions on the rescue boat just after the island disappeared. it was "three years before" the 06 scenes we see throughout S5
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but when we last saw the remaining island people (Sawyer, Jin etc) they were at the well with Locke...so how could Jin (and most probably the rest of them) have integrated themselves into Dharma within a couple of hours (or maybe days)?...that's why I'm thinking that maybe 3 years has indeed passed for the island people as well as the off-island people...plus if Charlotte learned Korean from Jin when she was a young girl then it couldn't have taken place within a few days...had to have been a very long period of time as Charlotte was pretty fluent in Korean
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for hoping that Kate actually snuffed Aaron out in his sleep? I didn't think last week was so bad. In spite of the big events, this week didn't really stand out to me like I thought such an episode should, and for now, seemed a little too tidy how everyone came together on the flight, though I'm sure it will be explained later. Plus, for a show that like to get the details, the plane they used didn't appear to be one that had the range to go the roughly 6000 miles from LA to Guam. And Uncle Peta ain't dead...yet.
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when locke finally unjammed ye olde donkey wheel, it left them in that period, as i said... even looking on lostpedia theres no definitive number for how long it is off island relative to on-island, personally i tend to think of it as 1year off island = 1 month on-island, although i could be completely wrong. whatever it is, the left-behinders have had a considerable amount of time to figure everything out, as I'm sure we'll see in coming ep's. In short. 3 years off doesn't equal 3 days on.
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do you *actually* watch the show? that doesn't make sense on soooo many levels. for one, the "door under the village" you were talking about was when he called smokey to kill the marines, he was back talking to locke and watching the carnage not minutes after. The producers are bringing the show together, not making it even more unexplainable, no matter what you guys all seem to want, start thinking less complicated.
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That's a really good theory. I was going with: Ben gets to Sayid, Sayid beats ben up, ben has a "cop" waiting to arrest Sayid for the brutality, Cop escorts Sayid to the plane (because what's he going to do about it by this point?) and that's why he looks at Ben in that surprised manner. As in "oh, so it was you who pulled this together."
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Why would they be escorting him to Guam of all places? Why would he be extradited so quickly? If he was arrested for the murders, where would the legal system send him? Is he an American citizen yet - or still Iraqi? Would he be on his way to Gitmo? If he was being sent to a foreign country, wouldn't you have a foreing "marshall" taking him in?
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my assumption was that ben somehow has worked his devious magic and gotten sayid arrested in a specific way (false description, name, whatever) and has basically forced him onto the plane. thats just my guess, I'm sure they'll explain it.
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I loved Ben's answer to what about the other passengers. Shows that he is still evil.
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i agree, that was a moment, but i also loved the way he said it. you could totally hear it in his voice, he wasnt just saying that to be an ass or whatever, he truly didnt care. now there's the evil ben we love.
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He was being kidnapped by one of Ben's people. She was obviously an Other, and Sayid was there to "proxy" Kate's situation. I hadn't read any advanced BS about this episode, so Lapidus was a complete surprise for me, and it was very cool to see him back. "We're not going to Guam, are we?" That was just cool.
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...that he had to keep a promise to an old friend, he meant his promise to kill Penny Widmore. And that he was bloody as a result of that struggle. Maybe with Desmond. Didn't he place that phone call from a dock area?
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wasn't he one of sayids buddies in iraq? great epsiode, but yeah, after so many years, when at eloises place,why didnt someone just say what the fuck is going on with this island. THe plane didnt crash. the lostiestransported off as they were now withing the islands field range, so whilst time is shifting, they shift with it too. that of course does leave the plane pilotlless..! good of hugo to buy all of those seats to ensure that no one else sits on the plane and dies
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the theory:
when ben tells jack to pick up locke's body because he "made a promise to an old friend," he is referring to the promise he made to widmore to kill penny for the death of his daughter.
the evidence:
when ben calls jack in a hurried panic, covered in blood, he is at a BOAT DOCK.
we know desmond has to get back to the island for a couple of reasons:
1) the character is too popular to go off into the sunset with the love of his life and not be involved with drama anymore.
2) the island DEMANDS it.
in summation:
what is the ONE thing that could get desmond to come back to the island? if ben were to kill penny and the run back to the island.
then dezzie would come. and come hard. firing on all cylinders.
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everyone knows this already.
disregard above
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While questions were answered, many were raised.
I was waiting for the plane to come apart, but when it didn't I realized why Ben simply said "So what?" The plane didn't crash. Hurley seemed the only one to care about the other passengers.
"I have a promise to keep to an old friend." Love how Damon writes in subtle star wars lines.
Hobo, Hurley was let out of jail in the morning like Ben's lawyer said he would. I'm sure the lawyer told him about the flight.
Where's Aaron? Why won't Kate talk about it? Who's the ringer on the flight? Why is Ben busted up? Did Ben cap off Hawkings? If you leave the Island, you can never return? Hmmmm.
If Ben caps Hawkings, guess he clears the Island trail and Whidmore cannot follow them.
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Nice post again. And I agree with you and BigDumbApe on characters. That's the way these characters have come to be. Am sure if I were there I'd be asking questions aplenty, or at least have a really REALLY confused look on my face.
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In the Previews we see John about to hang himself, his one foot in bandages. My theory is that all of LOST has been about John Locke. John is Jacob, and we will see a John statue with 4 toes, of which only the foot remains in the future. I think John will loose a toe soon. Mark my words!
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How dare she ask Jack to make a promise like that? wtf?
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Can someone refresh my memory?
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All of the Oceanic 06 have seen some pretty weird shit on the Island. I'm not sure they would necessarily be too prone to asking why when they've encountered polar bears on a tropical island, smoke monsters for crying out loud, and overwhelmingly strange coincidences.
I'd be much more inclined to believe that they all collectively questioned their sanity constantly and were all heavily medicated.
But after spending four months on an island where seemingly anything and everything could happen I just think stopping to ask "why" would be really conducive to survival.
They all intrinsically know that something is definitely strange about the island. Besides, as far as I can tell, almost all the people who spent time asking "why" have ended up dead.
At this point I think any of our main characters asking "why" would be as ridiculous as them wondering why the sun rose in the east every morning.
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My kingdom for an edit button.
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Feb 19, 2009 8:39:09 AM CST
I'm gonna spoil all you motherfuckers right now...
by banzai rootskibango
...Ben DID NOT kill Penny. He went there to kill her...I believe by poisoning her food when they were eating...but he then finds out that she is pregnant...with Desmond's second child...Ben then quickly aborts (no pun intended) the plan and lets her live. How did he get his ass whooped? No idea there.
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I think it's fair to say that as a viewer you're more concerned with the macro of the show than a character would be. They always have something more pressing and tangible to deal with. Not that they're not curious, but ultimately there are life-and-death situations that have to be dealt with quickly. A bunch of quasi-science gobbledy-gook is the last thing they wanna hear. In fact, this episode illustrated Jack's evolution in a sense. In the past he would have rejected the whole idea outright. Now he just goes along with it. Man of science to man of faith? And maybe the next step is to start asking macro questions - back to man of science.
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That makes no sense.... When did we see Penny eating? It's possible Ben got his ass whipped, (arm broken too) while going thru Hawkings protectors. Or by Sayid.
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I don't think Ben killed Penny (and the dock is meaningless). I doubt Desmond and Penny sailed from england down through the Panama canal and up to LA in the timeframe we have been given in their boat. We are probably being mislead. I think Ben did kill someone, but in some way the "WRONG" someone. In mimicing the 815 flight, Ben is filling the role of Sawyer, who very recently killed a man he, at the time, blamed for killing someone very important in his life.
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We know why he has a cast - he had a freakin' bone sticking out of his leg last week! From the well fall, right before he turned the wheel and disappeared? That sure looked like Ben kneeling next to Locke before the hanging. And wasn't that Sayid's escort talking to John on the beach in the promo? When he says he was dead?
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I can't even believe people are complaining that Ms. Hawking provided too much exposition. You want to see too much exposition? Go watch the last episode of Battlestar Galactica. Now I love BSG but compared with that shit Ms. Hawking was damn succinct.
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Use em' To tough to read thru
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Was spelled out. Maybe it's relevant, but LOST is great because there's lots to speculate over and when we do get an answer to something, we are possibly dead wrong, yet blown away.
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I actually was scared at first. I must be gun shy after that BSG - I was like "oh shit, they are about to explain EVERYTHING. Well at least it's not because of the ol' 'blow to the head'" ... But luckily it was over quickly and pertained only to the functionality of what they were about to undertake.
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but im sure everyone else fucking can.
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I tend to think Ben went to kill Penny but something happened. Thus the arm in a sling, the welp on his face, and the blood.
The O6 minus 1 plus Lapidus saw an island disappear in thin air. I doubt there were any words they could've heard to make them understand what happened. But they knew it happened because they saw it. Kind of like Thomas didn't believe Jesus was resurected until he saw it with his own eyes.
I say this because of the conversation above regarding not asking Eloise questions. They'd already heard Faraday talk about time, so why would they ask questions about something they knew was happening but didn't understand.
It's called a leap of faith.
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If you're piloting a commercial airliner with innocent people on board shouldn't you turn the plane around if you see the nutjobs you just escaped from a desert island with aboard your plane? Nutjobs that crashed on a commercial airliner to get onto that island in the first place. Yet he laughs it off. I found that a bit of a stretch. Or did I miss something?
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Perhaps Kate gave him to Claire's mom?
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I was like, um, either he's in on it, or it's really fucking strange that we know Lapidis is actually a person; and he's ok with where they are going.
But apparently, we saw no plane break apart, just a flash and Jack, Kate, Hugo all with no visible scars. The original crash had them pretty banged up.
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If Frank is in on it, he did seem genially shocked to see the rest of the O-6 on his flight. But on this show, (regardless of seeing faheys name in the credits) what are the chances of him being the pilot huh?
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about Lapidus and Aaron. Claire's mom would be a natural recipient of Aaron, but heck, Kate's raised him for 3 years, it would be pretty tough to just hand him over. And Lapidus - I was waiting for him to say "D'oh, here we go again!" That was a stretch.
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but ever since Desmond left Whidmore's office, he's known exactly where his daughter was and has had people keeping watch on her. These people intercepted & almost killed Ben, but he's a badass with his wand.
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Never noticed it was called that before last night...Simon...apostle Simon...aka Simon the Zealot, evangelical apostle who was martyred for prostletizing Judaism in Egypt and who also may have led a Jewish revolt against the Roman Empire
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Is that even relevant?
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Heard some others pose this theory as well, but yeah, I also think the Ajira plane crashed in the future(or present, however you want to look at it) while the O6+Ben+Lapidus+maybe some others got time/location shifted onto the 70's Dharma Initiative era island. We will see them eventually return to the Future (where they found the Ajira stuff when the Island was skipping) probably via another shift caused by whatever sets off the "Incident". The Incident is going to most likely be caused by whatever Faraday ends up doing at the wall covering the Frozen Donkey Wheel/pocket of exotic matter that we see in the beginning of the first episode of the season. That's my guess and I'm stickin too it!
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damn my grammar!
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NO HEROES TALKBACK!
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Is how casually he accepts the inexplicable shit the 815ers get him into. They really do need to make him a regular.
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Otherwise its a hell of a coincidence that the man who was SUPPOSED to pilot 815 (but didn't), and was later brought to the Island (only to then escape it) ends up piloting the very vessel that will return the O6 to the Island. Lapidus has got to factor in more than this one guest spot.
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That not a one of the O6 did not run up to grab Ms Hawking and scream:"GGAAAHHH! WHAT IS THE ISLAND? WHAT IS IT? AND WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU MESSING WITH MY LIFE! WHAT IOS GOING ON??!!!"How come nobody did that?
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BC we're not meant to know those answers right now.
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TECHNICALLY NOT SPOILERS, BUT I HAVE GOOD TRACK RECORD HERE:
(1) JEDI LOCKE?: Locke, back in time, goes to Desmond the Monk, and says, "If you want Penny back, you have to listen to me - there's this island, and you're going to have to go there..."
(2) Ben never said he would kill Penny. He said he would kill Charles Widmore's daughter. We dont know how many children he has had. Ben was soaking wet and using a payphone at a marina. If he didn't kill Penny, they went to a lot of trouble to suggest that he did.
(3) PENNY KNOWS JUDO?: On the plane, Ben's arm is back in a sling, and his face is nothing but bruises and cuts. Unless Penny knows Judo, its not believable that she would put up that kind of fight - Ben took out two soldiers armed with machine guns using a pocket baton, and his arm was badly injured at the time. They never touched him. I can't imagine Penny could have put such a beating on him.
(4) LOCKE IS JACOB: From the first glimpse of The Others, they have been led by middle-men who took orders from Jacob, their actual leader. Locke has never seen Jacob - only Shepherd, who seems to appear as conveniently as an african catholic priest. Hmmm. Smokey is the guardian, and Locke is the leader.
(5) TIMELOOP?: Jack returns to the island in the exact same way the series started - away from any crash site, alone and lying on his back in the jungle. How many times has Jack taken a window to go back?
(6) PROXIES: Kate is pregnant, 'new guy' is Sawyer, 'new cop' is Ana L', but who is Locke? Ben perhaps, but does a broken arm = cannot walk?
(7) what of the people in coach - perhaps they become the original Others that wipe out Dharma. -
I love Lost, but Wire is simply the best ever made. Its on a different level. Sorry.
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yeah, yeah, I know why. I still can't believe Jack asked Ben who Ms Hawking was and what her connection to the island could be. Like Ben's gonna tell him anything like that!
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That is not strictly true I saw the first two eps. have not been compelled to watch anymore. like season seven of 24. I havent seen an ep of that. either.
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When I saw Jeff Fahey was in the guest star list as soon as they mentioned the plane I knew he was going to be the pilot. Would have prefered the surprise
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Why 46 hours?
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Fascinating. Why are you here?
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I'll say it again Big Dumb Ape (staying true to your name here), have you seen this show? It's called Lost. You do know that Eloise's line to Jack is EXACTLY the same line that Locke says to Jack in an earlier episode? and the whole man of faith vs. man of science conflict? I agree with another poster's comments about our 'macro' view of the show. Characters are caught up in their own reality and often refuse to face the truth - prime example, why does it take Jack so long to read Locke's suicide note? These characters are insular, fearful, protective, and untrusting and have been since the start. This whole 'not asking questions' thing was bitched about by viewers from the very beginning of this show. This is nothing new. Plus your incredibly stupid suggestion that Sun pull a gun on Eloise reminds me of that one Office episode (one of the few I've actually seen) when Steve Carell's character is in an improv class and keeps on stopping every scene he's in by pulling out a 'gun.' Pulling out a gun is the LEAST interesting choice a writer or actor can make and is only to be used under the right circumstances when there is no other option. Pulling a gun in the Eloise scene would have been completely out of place and an entirely different tone from the entire scene. Characters and their actions are written to serve the story, not for taking shortcuts to make viewers feel better about their sense of 'reality.' Get a grip.
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Apples and oranges my friends. Lost is a network show that is subject to the whims of that network's schedule and ratings, not an HBO series with money and free-range coming out of every orifice. It's not even fair to compare them.
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"A substitute for who (sic)?"
"This is him (sic)."
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Let's see...Desmond leaves the Pendulum Room in a huff with a good 15 minute head start on Ben. After his apostle speech, he leaves Jack in the church...and with the help of his trusty 'lawyer' tracks Desmond back to his boat at the marina.
Ben waits til it's lights out on the sailboat before striking. He gets on board...he's got his baton and gun ready. Just as he is about to strike...a baby cries out startling him.
He turns and sees baby Charlie Hume in his crib...
That moment's hesitation gives Desmond time to leap out of bed and tackle Ben. There is a brutal struggle. Desmond screaming for Penny to get the fuck out. She grabs baby Charlie and dashes topside...but by this time Ben has clocked poor Des out cold with the baton. He points a gun at Penny & the baby...he demands she hand him over...she does. Ben says something about 'returning a favor' to her father and pulls the trigger. Penny is hit and goes flying overboard.
Ben walks up holding his silencer equipped weapon and...a baby. Looks overboard...sees Penny face down in the water. He takes the baby back down below and places him back in his crib. As he steps over Desmond's body on his way out...he says "You know where to find me".
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Therefore Thomas, who is called Didymus, said to his fellow disciples, "Let us also go, so that we may die with Him."
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I've had an issue with why Jack would want to go back to the island. There are a few reasons but none of them seem enough to transform the person who left the island to the person who wants to go BACK to the island.
Some points:
1) He got addicted to meds but only because he couldn't deal with not being able to go back.
2) He wouldn't just go back because of guilt of leaving people behind. He accepted that they had to leave some people behind when he did. And the one person he loved (Kate) was not left behind.
3) Jack still has some serious unresolved 'daddy' issues.
4) Finding out that Claire was his sister and Aaron his nephew started him on the road...
5) Jeremy Bentham visiting him is what *really* did it. Its what made him realize he needed to go back. He told him something significant... what??
Remember when John left the island, Christian told him to tell his son he said 'hello'.
I think that when John visited Jack, either at his job at the hospital, or at his home, he saw a picture of Christian and realized who his son was. He then convinced Jack that his hallucinations of his father early on were actually NOT hallucinations and that his father was back there on the island and it was he who wanted everyone to come back. And he isnt a junkie. He's very important.
So now Jack has to go back to find his father, alleviate his guilt over him, and find Claire, and alleviate his guilt over her. Basically, he has to go back to put his family back together.
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With the crash... it was pretty clear that Ben pulled a double-cross shortly after he left his seat. For some reason, he may have placed the O-6 on the island at a different "time" than himself. With the marina scene... Ben's plan obviously went off-course. His speech at the payphone was rushed and nervous; meaning that something didn't go according to his plan (after killing people, he's previously been rather Hannibal Lecter-like). The possible explanations for this are endless. Among them would be the fact that he cannot "kill" Charles Widmore, and if young Charlie Hume is one and the same, his attempts to protect his mother may have been successful. I'm just concerned that Ben's payphone call was made for the purpose of tying Jack (via his cell phone) to whatever crime was committed.
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Exactly. He's not an English professor. Surgeons are the jocks of the medical community anyway.
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... if I could only choose one option, I'd go all the way with #3. The Jack character is a man of his word, and he made a promise to his mother.
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Jack will always need something to fix. It's wha tdrives his character. This is the mother of all fixes.
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... Jor-El "might" be onto something, if the writers have a finite number of characters who are to be analogous to the disciples, the the character of Simon may serve a number of purposes. Of course, the Judas-character seems rather obvious (*too* obvious), so one must question if the writers would even consider going down that road.
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1. Herc is full of shit for hating last week's episode.
2. Kate eating Aaron made me spit take, which I haven't done since I was maybe 12 years old. Make a shirt, it's too fucking funny.
3. I bet Ben HURT Penny, but got his ass kicked back (obviously). Maybe he hesitates when he sees there's a kid on board on the boat. This allows Ben to "tie up loose ends" (or whatever he said), still gives Desmond ever reason to go after Ben for revenge, keeps Penny alive, and MAYBE keeps Ben slightly less despicable than if he offs her.
4. Was anyone else disturbed by how cooly and easily Sun just leaves her daughter behind? I mean, they were STUCK on that island the first time and barely made it off--she may very well never see her CHILD again. Maybe addressed in a flashback?
5. Really, Jack, NOW you're asking about the rest of the plane's passengers? At least Hurley was trying to save some people.
6. We knew they were adding new cast members, and now we see how. Guarantee the guy in the front section with the Losties is a bad guy. Guarantee the girl at the bar with Jack is a hot passenger in the tail section.
7. For Sayid to be both arrested and transported on THAT plane, wouldn't he need some kind of legal problems in Guam? How would airport security clear it, otherwise? -
Look at the man, willing to die to save everyone and the Island. I do believe I got a bit teary-eyed when Christian told him "That's why they call it... sacrifice," and Locke thought for a moment and then said, with what looked like tears in *his* eyes, fully accepting his fate, "I'm ready." Yeah, I caught up on last week last night too. Just wanted to mention that.
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more numbers...
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prostletzying, evangelizing and rebellion...might be relevant...not so much his allegiance to Jesus. But they're suddenly talking about apostles last night and John 3:16 and all that and the show has never shied away from religious allegories and references...I'm thinking that Simon and Ben have a similar goal...rebellion
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Locke = Man of Faith
Jack = Man of Science
Have you noticed that Jack is slowly becoming a Man of Faith? It began this episode when Ben explained the story of the Apostle Thomas, which will parallel Jack's . . .especially when he confronts the resurrected Locke. And once on the plane, Jack asked Kate about the possibility and chances of all of them being together on the plane, for unexplained reasons...he's starting to "believe" ...just as Locke always has.
And on another topic, anyone see the similarities between Jesus and Locke? Both have had "followers" (Locke w/ last season leading his people to Otherville, and leading this season's group to the Orchid), and of course both have resurrected from the dead.
Now can anyone remind me who that familiar looking dude is that was on the plane with O6? He looks Arabic? I know I've seen his face before . . . -
What an unbelievably perfect woman... :: heavy sigh ::
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"I hope the purge isn't soon."
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aliens. Just don't see it.
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I think it goes way beyond that. Those white sneakers are literally like the 3rd significant thing you see in the very first episode of Lost. You see Jack wake up, you see Vincent run past, and you see the shoes hanging in a tree. It's all so thought-out I don't even know how to comprehend how it's possible. Christian wasn't worth a new pair of shoes to Jack, and it's amazing how they managed to make something they showed so very, very early so significant 5 seasons later. This what makes Lost so beautiful. The more you get into it and know details the way some of us do, the better it is. And ElDawg, that guy on the plane was in Vantage Point, and had one scene in I Heart Huckabees, and has been in numerous other things. I like him quite a bit, I think he's pretty talented, and I think they introduced him in a subtle, but intriguing way here, as opposed to Nikki and Paolo.
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Why did Jack dress in a suit when his goal was to return to the island? You'd think they'd all bring stuff that would be of benefit there. A tie isn't among that stuff.
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He was also Mark Wahlbergs torturer in Three Kings. Probably his most memorable work yet. "What is the deal with Michael Jackson, my main man?"
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... When he saw the extraordinary "coincidences" of having everyone on the plane- Kate suddenly coming around, Hurley showing up without being prompted, Sayid too, and then the kicker- Lapidus' is flying the plane. You could practically read it off his facial expressions and reactions, "This MUST mean something!!" That was the moment he stopped being a Doubting Thomas and became a Man of Faith.
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Perhaps Ben got his ass kicked kidnapping Des and Penny's baby. Maybe the kid was on the plane, and that's why Des will have to go back to the island.
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Because he's a doctor flying First Class- that's why. And you've got to mirror that opening episode too.
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Now that Zuleikha Robinson is officially in the mix, I change my answer from above.
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Remind me how we saw the shoes in season 1, and what we knew? I completely forgot that story line. Thanks
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I'd say Charlotte biting it wasn't a surprise, but there was plenty of other stuff in there. Did anyone really expect Locke turning the donkey wheel and getting zapped off the island so soon? First glimpse of the temple, Montand losing his arm from the monster, and seeing Rousseau's people getting offed by her? All awesome stuff.
Last night's was really great. Loved that Lapides is back as the pilot, I didn't see that coming at all. I hope he's on the island and gets to keep playing a part in this.
So I guess Locke will continue the series as whatever Christian Shephard is? Apparition, ghost, or whatever? Having Locke off the show is my biggest fear, hopefully they'll find a way to keep him around without a cheesy resurrection. -
because he's transporting a stolen body on the plane and wants to appear less suspect. If he was wearing safari clothes and was carrying the body of a friend it would look a little odd.
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Well, it's not really a storyline ever. it's just been a thing some people have wondered. As I said, the first thing in the Pilot episode, was Jack waking up in the jungle, Vincent runs past. He's puzzled. He stands up, looks in his pocket and finds the tiny Vodka bottle, and remembers the plane. He takes off running towards the beach, and as he runs away, the camera rests on a pair of white sneakers hanging from a branch by the shoelaces. Since then, every time we have seen Christian standing in the distance in his suit, being all ghastly, he's been wearing white sneakers. A black suit and tie with white sneakers. I think every time except maybe once, and then when he's in Jacob's cabin in the farmer type outfit. It's never been addressed, I just know I've always wondered about the white shoes, and now it seems answered. It's not revelatory, it's just symbolic, and it's impressive.
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I have to agree with Big Dumb Ape. The characters had an opportunity to ask more questions and in any reality they would have, except it did not suit the writers' purposes. While still a good show, it smacks of the Idiot Plotm where characters take actions simply to further the plot without regard to logic or characterization.
And Sun already had pulled a gun on Ben, why would she suddenly trust this strange woman Ben brought her to. It would be totally logical for her to pull her gun. I am also a firm believer that she only showed up at the airport after having a long talk with Mr. Widmore. -
He (all of them, actually) probably packed a very practical bag... That may or may not still be on a plane to Guam 30 to 40 years in the future from when he is now. Let's hope there is more than a guitar and heroine in Hurley's case, there.
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Did you note the comic book in Spanish? In this case "Y the Last Man". Nice.
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C'mon...where is this baby? In the cargo hold?
Ben made a promise to Widmore...and he kept it. The promise had NOTHING to do with kidnapping a baby.
Penny is dead...or...if we're lucky....just near death. THAT'S why Des returns to the island.
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Eh, I can roll with him trying to look respectable I guess. If he has some hiking boots in his carry-on luggage, that's good enough for me.
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9k, bitches.
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You gotta put yourself in their shoes. It's easy to care about the big picture questions as a viewer, but when the writers talk about characters' motivations, I think they logically come to the conclusion that asking what the nature of the island is wouldn't be that high on the list.
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Also there is that basic assumption (right or wrong) that "real" people would not ask the question because "real" people would never conclude that "magic island" is a real possibility and just focus on surviving the current crisis whatever odd "illusion" of weirdness it may be cloaked in. We as an audience who A) see more of the big picture and B) know that it's a TV show and thus "magic island" is a possibility don't have that hang-up. Now, we can debate if that above assumption is valid, but that seems to be the assumption, anyhow.
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right before he found Kate or was that supposed to be Kate coming in do you think? Whatever happened her performance tells me something truly fucked up happened with Aaron. I mean either someone killed the kid, the kid became a little demon, or Claire came to get him. I dunno, what else could have made her like that?
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"Also, how come no one has mentioned the significance (or coincidence?) of the shift/plane crash happening RIGHT as Jack read John's suicide note?" I actually thought that the "crash" would happen just as Jack opens it, keeping him from reading it.
And I have to agree that LOST will go down in history as one of the great (and innovative) shows of all time. Sure, it hasn't been completely consistent, but I can't think of any other show that has been this ambitious, particularly in regards to long term storytelling, with so many questions asked and so many payoffs of things brought in much earlier. I can't think of anything else that even comes close in that respect. -
If it only has one strong season. And as long as people want to hijack this thread simple espousing how great the wire is, I'll feel free to respond to em.
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My fear for this season was that it would be dedicated to how the O6. Or possibly that they'd spend the whole season dealing with time jumps. Hopefully both of those will be over and the story can move forward.
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i really remeber the writers saying nothing woud have anything to do with aliens, and so far, that seems true. nothing hints of alien-ness. i think the show tries to remind us that we have centuries of cultures and literature and science either forgotten, ignored or..ahem..lost..that are far more interesting on this planet than anything off it that would be a cheap answer to the show's many questions.and i haven't read all of this TB but i'm fairly certain that there have been two Bens existing in the same time period for a while. and they may even be on different missions. one is trying to fuck things up or wreak vengeance and one is trying to atone. or not. because when ben is good, he seems genuinely remorseful, and other times, he could give a shit. just don't let the bunnies- i mean Bens- touch!
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It's only had one good season? Coming from the douche who has admitted to only seeing half of the series. Fuck off already. I admire your dedication to Lost but you're embarassing yourself.
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Anyone read his analysis. He has an interesting theory that the runwau the Others were building in S3 was for the Ajira flight. Maybe Jack, Kate and Hurley (and probably Locke) instantly transported off the island becasue they were the proper "proxies" and the others stayed on but landed safely on the Hydra island.
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Bad Twin, anyone?
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Interesting you should mention that Eldawg. I'm a bit worried about Jack's seeming conversion to a man faith. I am a man of science and I want that dynamic to remain on the show. I mean I want to like Locke but even if he's right he's still a zealot, which scares the shit out of me and is hard for me to be on board with.
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Everyone should know that the creators/producers of Lost are big Stephen King fans . . .there have been numerous SK references throughout the show's history. And everyone knows that the DT series is King's magnum opus. So . . . Does anyone think that Lost will end just as the DT series ended? With Roland (Oceanic passengers) destined to repeat their life in an endless loop? The time travel ability is there, but I wonder if the show would really end just how it began: with 815 crashing on the Island, the passengers once again doomed to repeat everything ... "The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed"
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Is it just me, or is Kate way more trouble than she's worth? Boo fucking hoo Kate. Makes me mad....
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agreed. trying to make it look like she sacrificed aaron because she wants to go back to the island, and specifically, just to be with jack and because he wants her to. she's always playing that guy and he always falls for it. first thing she'll do is try to climb right back on sawyer. HOPEFULLY she'll find that sawyer and juliet are becoming a true couple that are stronger than just lust like sawyer and kate are.the sawyer/kate/jack swapping has always been the worst part of the show, IMO. it's the soap opera factor that brings in some people who otherwise wouldn't watch. luckily it hasn't controlled a show in a while.
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When did the producers say that the show wouldn't have time travel? I don't remember them denying that before.
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I LOVE THIS SHOW.
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The Wire had one BAD season (season 2 dealing with the Unions). And even now, in retrospect, that season added so much to the grand landscape of it all. Season 4 of the show was some of the best cultural work I have ever encountered. On that note, GOD LOST. FML. LOST IS MY LIFE.
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and the way i look at it, when they initially introduced time travel, it wasn't in the way we have come to expect anyway- i.e. a guy getting into a machine or walking through a door and travelling to whenever he wants. At first it was shown as mental travel, whether memory or flashbacks. only now is the island shown to be in a different place and time. those on it are kind of time travelling, but only because time and space on the island are out of whack. technically it's time travel, but it's sort of more than that.
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Darlton never said there wasn't going to be time travel, McGoo. Trust me...I never wanted LOST to take the time travel route...and they NEVER refuted there wasn't gonna be time travel...which scared the shit outta me. But...I'm happy with the way they've chosen to portray it. It's not all BTTF2 with everyone racing around trying to steal back the Sports Almanac and fixing mistakes in the past to change the future. I'm glad the Lostie's have no control over the time jumps...there's no flux capacitor or time circuits...it just happens...and it's random. Damon actually tried to get specific about LOST and the potential for time-travel at last year's Comic Con...and Carlton shut him the fuck up. And Cuse was right...it needed to be 'seen'...not heard. I'm happy with the time travel aspect...
But...Fuckin aliens?
Dude...did you not SEE Indy 4? There is no fuckin way this is leading to space people being at the root of all the mystical mumbo jumbo. Lucas & Spielberg already made that mistake. I guarantee you LOST will not.
dahveed...you forgot to mention what Kate DIDN'T say to Jack last night..."C'mere and fuck me like there's no tomorrow, Jack"!
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Jack isn't the only "Man of Science" looking more toward faith. The same happened with Faraday last week "That's where we leave science behind..."
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It's not a pissing contest. LOST is an amazing show. I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the Wire is an amazing show as well. It also sounds like they are completely different shows, making it an apples and oranges comparison.
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Not aliens. ;-) Please don't start an Indy 4 debate here or I may have shoot myself.
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I seem to remember saying that time travel would not be used, but the context of the question was based around Back To The Future or Heroes-esque time travel. I also remember numerous times that they wll not use a deus ex machina like Indy 4. This doesn't necessarily mean that some sort of extraterrestial being might be involved, it just won't be a plot device to explain questions away. For example, if Richard Alpert turned out to be a descendent of the ancient Lemurians, some might consider that to be an Alien cop-out, but there has been some hints that this might turn out to be true.
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That's even WORSE! Guess what...I have a confession...I never saw Indy 4...so it would be unfair for me to debate. I heard the bad buzz and stayed away...UFO's and shit. Indy needs to be dealing with wrath of God shit...not..alien...er...interdimensional beings. But I'll leave it at that.
So far I've swallowed the 'ghosts', the 'smoke monster', the 'magical vanishing island' and now 'time travel'....Drank that Kool Aid all up.
But...Aliens? I draw the line at such an 'easy & cliche' way for the writer's to explain all of LOST's mysteries. It would be a slap in the face of fans like myself who have stuck with this show since Sept. 22nd, 2004. Aliens will NOT hold the key.
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Great word, BillyPilgrim...Great word. The LOST writer's have taken me to far to cop out like that.
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I liked Indy 4. It was the most fun at had at the movie last summer. But I know I'm the minority and I've gone purple in the face debating it here. I refuse to do it anymore. And yes, aliens on Lost would be a monumental fuckup.
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okay. the donkey wheel is roughly under the well. if it was a well- it could have been an access shaft, but we will assume it was a well.
so, at some point we are to assume the well (and by default, the donkey wheel room) had water in it. we also know the only time richard alpert was anything other than clean cut and smartly dressed he kind of looked like an an old century explorer. some has guessed pirate, spanish seaman, whatever...although he spoke perfect modern english when he met Ben at that time.
....anyway, long story short, has anyone thought maybe richard drank water from the well in his time period where it was full- and it being charged or saturated with the energy of the strange element has made him ageless and time traveling properties? he seems to control it, or has been at it for so long it no longer confuses him. -
What an abomination.
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as soon as he tossed the gunpowder and they chased the CG cloud of it through the warehouse, they lost me. for many others it took far longer, but that was the point i suspended all belief.
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That was probably the most believable thing in Indy 4. If that's what lost you you weren't in it to begin with.
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I'm in the camp that surely Jack should know better by now. "Never ask me again? How 'bout go to hell. You obviously have made up your mind to go for whatever 'mysterious' reason, so either tell me about Aaron---who is MY relation by the way---or bounce. See you at the airport either way." Keeping secrets has worked soooo well for Kate in the past, no?
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well, it was scientifically questionable, and the cloud animated so poorly....yeah if that was the most believable thing in the movie, what does that say about the movie, not about me.
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for these TB's.
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the question he posed near the bginning of the TB-
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There is absolutely no way to explain the Smoke monster aside from making it an alien... or a demon. Absolutely NONE. The Island is OBVIOUSLY the Alien's ship, and the Frozen Donkey wheel is it's steering wheel! The exotic matter is obviously just like the fuel used to power the ship on Futurama.
Dam tricky Darlton!!!
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I've never seen Indy 4. I am curious though, and that episode of South Park... holy shit, hilarious.
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We are supposed to assume that Jack trusts Kate where Aaron is concerned. That he would *never* conclude that she would do anything harfull to Aaron. Not sure how sound that is, or why that was so poorly delivered, but there it is.
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"that she would {never} do anything *harmfull* to Aaron."
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Will turn out to be Jack, that's why Christian and Claire hang out in his cabin - just a big family reunino
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Only read up through book 4 (Wizard and Glass)... is the ride through the other books worth it or does the circular ending that I'm hearing so much about suck so much that I shouldn't even bother?
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You just noticed?
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Will it ever play into the show, or will it be relegated to The Lost Experience and the first Dharma video we saw, never to be heard of on the show itself again?
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Can someone fill me in? They still on the island?
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Dammit, they can't just forget about that jazz... Maybe with some time with Dharma, I'll get the payoff I seek...
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the smoke monster initially seemed to be to Dharma what the big white "Rover" balloon was to The Prisoner. i think it started out as an homage, i think they even sampled some of the same growls and noises from Rover....some theorized it was a cloud of nanobots....but now...now yes, i'm thinking it's some ancient intelligent thing. but if so, how is it often controlled or summoned by people like Ben?
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literally every question that i and most people had has now been revealed, or it very obviously about to be. you can see just enough of what is going to happen to still be both amazed and feel intelligent that you gessed right.things like the polar bears- which so many people still obsess on- have been explained as far as i'm concerned. i think i know where both Alpert and the four two statue are going now (and not assuming that they are connected, either)--but the god damn smoke monster is the end all for me. it needs to be explained, and well...or else they have created something that even they don't know an answer for, and maybe that is good too...to be the one mystery? i don't know.
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....and the Hanso Foundation...and his great grand-daddy Magnus!!
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the loop ending isn't the problem I had with the Dark Tower. That, I can deal with. However, building up the evil of the Crimson King for so long, along with Roland's desire for an epic showdown without ANY SORT of satisfactory conclusion suuuucked. And the device used to nullify said threat was the biggest WTF moment in any King story EVER (and knowing how often King bungles endings, that's saying A LOT). It really soured the whole story for me. I promise you, Mr King, it ain't always 'about the journey', especially when you end up driving over a narrative cliff of suck.
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did it bother anyone else that the wheel room- when ben used it- seemed only to be accessed by the hole in the wall and a ladder, and be self contained, but when locke went there, via the well, it had not only the well but a little cave system leading to it, just a few limps around the corner?
or maybe they were actually on different sides of the same wheel, seperated by a wall. (not at the same time, but you get what i mean)
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As long as actual Aliens don't come bouncing out; would there be a large back lash if we just found out the island is an ancient UFO, now over grown due to the millions of years on the planet?
No ET's, just their ride.
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Okay. See, we did crash, but it was on this crazy island. And we waited for rescue, and there wasn't any rescue. And there was a smoke monster, and then there were other people on the island. We called them the Others, and they started attacking us. And we found some hatches, and there was a button you had to push every 108 minutes or... well, I was never really clear on that. But... the Others didn't have anything to do with the hatches. That was the DHARMA Initiative. The Others killed them, and now they're trying to kill us. And then we teamed up with the Others because some worse people were coming on a freighter. Desmond's girlfriend's father sent them to kill us. So we stole their helicopter and we flew it to their freighter, but it blew up. And we couldn't go back to the island because it disappeared, so then we crashed into the ocean, and we floated there for a while until a boat came and picked us up. And by then, there were six of us. That part was true. [Whispers] But the re...But the rest of the people... who were on the plane? They're still on that island. A lot of people died, ma. And now this bad stuff is happening because...well, um...we shouldn't have lied.
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I'm sure there are those who find the whole thing completely satisfactory. I felt completely ripped off, and believe he just couldn't come up with a way for Roland to defeat the CK on his own. Lame-o.
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From Jack seeing everyone in the airport up to and including Lepidus asking "We're not going to Guam..." -then cue LOST intro. To me putting that in tonights episode and skipping all the "how did they get there" stories was like when your old VCR you used to tape a movie blinks out for 20 minutes in the middle of the movie.
So will all of the rest of the season be "how did they come to be on 316"? More flashbacks but this time only spanning 70 hours and not lifetimes.
And Jin is wearing the Dharma outfit and driving the Dharma van because he's now been there THREE YEARS! The islanders have salvaged what they could find on the island and Jin gave the van a new paint job.
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I challenge you to imagine an alternate explanation for the smoke monster.
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You've already gone one book too far. It's pretty much downhill from there. Plus he starts making derivative references to Harry Potter (sneetches/snitches), Oh Brother Where Art Thou (Man of Constant Sorrow) and then to his own accident with that idiot in the van (way too many references to 19 and 1999). And the Dark Tower itself turns out to be pretty much a bumhug (the island in Lost is more grand and mysterious than what Roland finds at the end of his journey).
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is BEEEEEEEEES!!! And they're mad.
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well, many sci-fi stories have involved time traveling people from the far future
crash landing in the ancient past and actually becoming the start of civilization or the human race itself....i.e. if humans were never stranded in the past then there would never be humans in the future to time travel to the past to make humans that would one day time travel to the past and on and on....so if this is where they are going, it's not 100% original but i like how they've done it.btw has anyone ever seen the strange ancient gold south american artefacts that look like a jet plane or space shuttle?
http://www.philipcoppens.com/bbl_artefact.jpg
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It's kind of my theory on the ghost-people of the island too. Those people who are dead that keep popping up on the island are actually the remnants of their consciousness/brain activity. Some people theorize that like radio/tv transmissions drifting out into space, some people's minds can drift out outside of the brain in a whole entire intact state (psychics, mind reading and ghosts). The island keeps their consciousness intact and they appear whole. BUT this only happenes to SOME of the people on the island. The ones who have died who DO NOT appear as ghosts on the island, have minds that are not whole after death. THEIR incomplete consciousnesses are collected in The Temple where they join other incomplete consciousnesses in the form of the Smoke Monster. The Smoke Monster is a collective unconscious of all those who have died and have not been ghosts on the island. Plus with all those incomplete minds, only their baser, animal-like instincts work together, while higher brain functions and thought do not work (think lobotomies or bullets in brains). So they act like an animal, a guard dog.
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Thanks man
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...based on a quote from Lindelof, the least you could do is put up a link.
Anyone can write a quote. From Dec '08 - Lindelof --"There are a number of rabid Lost 'fans who like to go on internet talkbacks, make up quotes, and attribute them to me in order to justify their own agenda."Just saying, a link is nice. -
When people here "aliens" they automatically think of the grey skin stereotype in flying saucers. All the word "alien" means is from somewhere else. So if it has handled with originality, I would be open-minded to the idea.
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postcard: http://tinyurl.com/cy7g53
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In the commentary to the Season 2 opener titled Man of Science, Man of Faith Darlton says that Jack is both the Man of Faith and the Man of Science. He has always gone back & forth and sruggled with that. My guess is that will be his end of series character acr to finally win that struggle.
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McGoo is right though . . I don't have a link, but I did read that in an EW. Basically, he said that "everything on Lost can be explained logically, and within the realm of reality". Which I took to mean no aliens . . . I'll accept the Time Travel if it gets explained better before the show's finale.
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Feb 19, 2009 4:29:04 PM CST
I got the feelin as well that the Ben that got on the plane at t
by redtom
...was another-time Ben.Just been thinkin aswell that the Ben, Hawking and Widmore we've been so used to seein now are actually from a little bit further down the line and obviously know everything that's going to happen and are just waiting for the right opportunities to present themselves so they can take advantage of them straight away.Who the good guys are, who the bad guys are, we don't quite know yet. The reason Widmore says he can't kill Ben in that episode (or that Ben cabn't kill him, can't remember which) is because it never actually happened in their future. They know they are safe, for the time being anyway.Hawking didn't seem too concerned with Ben either, I think they don't consider him as anything other than a persistent little gnat, but they're gonna get a little surprise sometime coz Ben's after power for himself.The plot thickens...
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I hope you enjoy the Zombie season...Season 7, dude. Yer gonna love it.
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the men are all zombies, the women are out of clothes and the others turn out to be robot terminators from the wacky future.
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thats always nice.
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its kind of compicated. google it.
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i should really proofread my posts huh?
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wow. someone is posting dark tower spoilers on this tb. there is a prime example of troll activity.
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Damn you, McGoo! Stop putting yer evil hexes on me!
Somebody doesn't listen to the podcasts!
No...seriously, Mr. McGoo...thanks for straightening me out. You are absolutely right. I need to be more open minded. Aliens (whatever THOSE are), dinosaurs, Crab Nebulas...Nebuli?...whatever...Nothing is impossible. You are correct and I am utterly defeated, destroyed and humiliated.
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mentioned somewhere in the slusho website back when cloverfield was being promoted? it seems like i remember seeing that somewhere a while back.
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See my post earlier . . . not Trollish in the least. Other TBers decided to go off-roading.
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and discussing the ending of the dark tower series in full detail is ruining it for those who havent yet read them. tttrrrooollllls.
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Feb 19, 2009 5:24:36 PM CST
lucid...no mention of Ajira appearing in the Slusho site...
by cheif brody
But Lostpedia had this about the Ajira website:
Easter eggs
Pass coordinates of Guam International Airport, as shown on Google Earth
Source code
A number of messages in hexadecimal coding have been found in the site source code on different pages.
They are: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (From the Bible, John 3:16 - links to the Ajira promotional video).
"So off they started about Irish sport and shoneen games the like of lawn tennis and about hurley and putting the stone and racy of the soil and building up a nation once again and all of that." (This is a quote from James Joyce's novel 'Ulysses').
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I will bet my plastic Doctor Who figure on that.
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Dark Tower is probably not worth reading, if anyone's thinking of jumping on or returning.
BUT in Dark Tower . . .
*vague spoiler*
time repeating matches Ulysses, which Ben was reading on the plane (the book that repeats), too.
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Darlton JOKED on a podcast back in season 2 when a fan asked if all the returning 'dead' Losties were zombies coming back to haunt the living.
Damon said perhaps season 7 should be the ALL Zombie Season...and it became a running joke that some fans took to heart.
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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I love how lapidus was the pilot, very fitting, especially because he was supposed to be flying 815 in the first place.... and as for whoever keeps writing long paragraphs bitching about questions the characters "should" b asking.. if u have been watching with all of us u would realize that the characters have been through so much wierdness and strange phenomena that hearing that the island is jumping around is not much of a stretch and at this point is commonplace...u apparently want these characters to b oblivious to what they've been through...u call it dumb writing but what u really want is dumb characters to satisfy your own stupidity... .... its been an awesome show from season one... the nod to why christian was wearing white shoes when jack was seeing him in the jungle was amazing, and further proof that thew writers have always had a plan from day one and are seeing it thru....simply masterful
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Right?
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...the worse.
That's where we part ways, Mr. McGoo.
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Ben or Sawyer would be seen reading Jimmy James famous book Super Karate Monkey Death Car.
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In This Place Is Death, how did Jin know that Charlotte could translate? He wasn't asking Miles. Did Jin learn that she could speak Korean last season? I don't remember and it has been driving me crazy.
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that's the guy he stole the horse and gun from. watch the full episode
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"Something Nice Back Home"
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with the guy he stole the horse from, in my opinion, of course I can be wrong. And I watched it with attention, and for me clothes match ben's ones. I'm probably going crazy...
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Thanks! I had a vague recollection of that, but I wasn't sure.
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i've really been enjoying lost this season, but this episode was probably the worst of the season. However, the worst lost of the season DOMINATES the best episode of heroes this season--the fateful day came where heroes aired and didn't get a talkback. I give the geeks who run this site some credit--just because a show involves superpowers (you can't even call it about superHEROES) doesn't meen that a by the geeks for the geeks website like this will blindly support it... a show gets THIS bad, it doesn't deserve a talkback. What a shame... now it'll be a while until we get another superhero show... when one does finally get made, i hope they will learn from heroes mistakes and give us superheroes, and action scenes (oh yeah, and stable, relatable characters who follow a slow progression)
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Pa! Ya got a fan!!
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Seems excellent to me.
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I'm gotta make me a T-shirt with your face on it!
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I think when it first came out, people didn't understand that the show was a meditation on Baltimore--a vessel to interact with the detriments of American values and constructs. People, including me, thought it was going to follow more closely with Avon Barksdale and Stringer Bell. The Season 5 DVD has a retrospective on the show and they acknowledge that some fans were disgruntled with season 2. It just suffered from the sophomore year criticism that ALL shows go through. Like I said, in retrospect, season 2 was excellent and just as an integral piece to the whole picture.
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Feb 19, 2009 7:53:54 PM CST
My reason for Ben calling from the marina being a red herring
by stuckinthepresentpaused
ok i do not know if anyone else posted this as there are far too many posts to go over but for now i do not believe that Ben killed Penny and/or Desmond and here is why.
Based on the time frame i think Desmond flew to LA from England and didnt take the boat. He couldnt of sailed the boat to LA in less than a few weeks and if these things were happening at the same time then Desmond only had like a 24 HR period to get to LA so i'm gonna say Ben killed and got beat up by somebody else. -
Couldn't Desmond have been in London a month ago? His time frame has nothing to ground it in a particular time relating to the O6 or the Island.
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but he was soaking WET...like, thrown off a boat wet. i don't even know if that was blood or not. looked like mud or a wendy's frosty. it was too light brown.
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never made it to penny's boat. he picked up wendy's on the way, reached down to grab a dropped fry off the rental car floor (5 second rule!) while his other hand held a biggie frosty and the steering wheel with just a pinky. he looked up, and with those classic bug eyes and a rather calm, cold 'oh shit.' flew right off the pier.
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But still giving Jack ultimatiums
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here's to hoping kate gets killed off and becomes a ghost. that way, fans can still see her but we won't have to deal with freckle's love triangle anymore. that crap is older than the island itself.
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they have been showing with the bumper that it was 3 years later so we know it is minimally in the same ball park and yeah ur right a month fits in that ballpark. But my get tells that it was a red herring but you're right there is just as much proof that it will end up being penny and/or desmond
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Who knew Ben was a Wendy's fan.
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At least it was during Desmond's episode a few weeks back. Sure we knew it was 3 years later, but we don't know exactly *when* 3 years later. And since Penny said she and Charlie were going with him, I fully believe he sailed to LA. And his unknown time period fits with Des's theme of being "unstuck in time", and ends up being another one of the few "flashbacks" we've seen this season. Though everything this season has either been a flashback, flash-forward, or sideways flash. Its almost impossible to tell!
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Does anyone think, by chance, that Jack's act of putting his father's shoes on Locke was a play on the washing of feet, widely viewed--- in Biblical times--- as an "act of service?" This was something that Christ did for the disciples... and may imply that Jack is regaining his role as the Shepherd of the Losties. What do others think? Also; does anyone else think Ben calling from a payphone--- near the scene of a crime--- was a way to peg Jack to what happened? Just as Linus "coincidentally" left his seat mere moments before the plane's event occurred...
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i did make myself chuckle there...i'd love to see been look up from his straw, twist his little mouth off to the side and cuss as his rented evil-mobile jumps some boards and barrels.and i bet what we didn't see after he hung up the phone was that he was pantsless as well, wearing spongebob boxers.
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I'd buy that for a dollar!
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yeah, as long as she's wearing minimal clothing
And latley they've been giving her the smallville lana lang treatment
by thiat I mean they've been angleing the camera so it's always pointed up one of her nostrils
Evangeline Lilly is a good looking woman
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Sayid is not going to Guam, no matter what. Guam is simply a stopping point, a shortcut across the Pacific. The Arabic type name of the airline is more of a clue where Sayid is supposed to be going.
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Feb 19, 2009 9:55:46 PM CST
Jacob is the captain of that old pirate ship which marooned
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because otherwise...its just way to damn obvious. Think about it from a creative standpoint. If you were going to have something like the murder of a central characters love interest, the only reason to do it off camera, is so they can go back to it. But whats the point of doing it off camera if EVERYONE and their mother "figured out" what was going on as soon as they saw ben on the phone. No, i'm willing to bet that either ben went to kill penny and desmond beat him within an inch of his life then threw him overboard or something else that we know nothing about yet happened.
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Im the Room 23 guy. Check this out. My friend Edshrinker and I would make these video edits last Summer. I would make an outline of scenes and he would edit them together and post them on YouTube. This one that we did was everything in season 4 that happened after the donkey wheel was turned. So you can compare it to your deleted scene.
http://tinyurl.com/ceam7b
Ben did rip the red turbine off of one of them and used it as a turniquet for his arm. So maybe thats why the body looks different. Another guess is that since it is a deleted scene they didn't bother to worry about continuity. But then again you could be correct also? By the way if you like that edit heres a link to Edshrinker's YouTube page. Lots of great stuff that Ed collaboated on with Hobocode, Me and maybe a few others. I can't remember who all.
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Just kiding CB
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"But Jimmy has fancy plans...! And...pants to match."
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saw Libby as well as Charlie before he got on the plane. They were at the same pysch ward at soem point before the intial crash right? Both hopped up on meds.
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The man at the airport was the same dude who stole all the scenes in Three kings. Great actor. And i bet we haven't seen the last of him on the show. Why waste such a talent right ?
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I took it as Frank acknowledging what should have happened in the first place. He was meant to be flying Oceanic 815 when it went down. Something about him makes me feel like he's pretty comfortable acknowledging fate. Incidentally, I really missed the Quixote goatee...
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Ben switched seats!!! That makes him one of two proxies!!
Charlie was NOT in his seat at the time of the 815 crash....neither was Bernard!
Ben HAD to switch seats to become a proxy! Yer a frickin genius, dude.
The Wendy's FROSTY post made me laugh hard! I could just see him driving...all mad cuz he dropped his Frosty...and smearing it all over himself in a rage.
However...I hate to rain of everyone's parade with regard's to Penny's fate...but, I think Ben DID visit Penny...I think Penny DID get at least harmed if not killed by Ben...but I think something ELSE happened, too!
Don't forget...everyone saw Des storm outta Pendulum Palace...there was NO convincing that Scot he had to go back to that island. There's only ONE reason he'd go back...and that's for REVENGE. Ben HAD to harm/kill Penny in order for this to happen.
So yes...while it SEEMED like the classic LOST 'red herring' scene with him on the phone...AT a marina...injured and covered in Frosty...It was the real deal.
I think the 'surprise' will be that something ELSE happened when he did the deed...Did he accidentally kill baby Charlie, too? THAT wasn't part of the promise to Widmore, now was it?
Hate to see 'em paint our favorite bad guy as a baby killer, too...so let's throw that out...but perhaps he only wounded Pen and then got the shit beat out of him by Des, and barely made it outta there with his life.
All I know is...it would take something DRASTIC to change Desmond's mind about returning to the island...and losing Pen...or the baby...or BOTH....is the ONLY reason he would go back.
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But for some reason Charlie Hume got sick and Des was convinced that only the island could heal the baby.
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Up walks Ben with the intent to KILL Penny...and Desmond ambushes him...breaking his arm...demanding to know what Ben did with the loves of his life...Ben tries to explain he had nothing to do with it...that it musta been Charles...Desmond continues to pummel Ben, dumping a Frosty on his head...But Ben gets the upper had via his magic expando baton and cracks dead out cold and limps off to call Jack.
There...ya still get Penny & baby Charlie alive...and safe in the custody of Grandpa Widmore...with Desmond blaming Ben and vowing revenge.
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Feb 19, 2009 11:27:19 PM CST
So if 'Grandpa' is really Future Jack as the EW blog suggests ..
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... then could Christian Shephard be Jack and Kate's son - the baby Kate is theoretically now carrying as her proxy? That would certainly give Christian a reason for a pretty serious drinking problem later in life ...
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Although I do remember a Podcast where Darlton said that a portion of the series revolves around Desmond & Penny's relationship. But we will see.
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damn, there are so many questions that are raised by this episode. i'm happy to wait on many explanations, but a few things rubbed me the wrong way ms hawking kinda bugged me. obviously raised more questions than she answered. the fact that no one asked "Why?" "What?" has already been addressed ad nauseum in this talkback. but what the fuck could explain the need for the proxies? why does locke need to have christian's items, what need does that fulfill? how will that be explained in a way that makes sense? this has always been a show that dropped tons of questions on us. i think i felt a bit unsatisfied with this episode due to the number of questions answered by the previous episodes of this season. for 4 seasons, i have been content to sit on my questions, knowing that everything will be explained in due time. now season 5 comes along, its knocking my socks off, filling in blanks. then this episode airs, and raises more questions than it answers. like others have already said, it's like a return to lost season 1, i get that. i need to rewatch it and just absorb it did anyone else feel like this? i reached the end of the episode, and when jin was revealed, i finally got really excited like i was waiting for all episode, then POOM. the previous episodes had been moving so fast that every commercial, i found myself thinking, "wow, there's still more?" they rocked and rolled. at the end of this episode, i was thinking, "jeez, it's already over? it feels like it's just getting going!" i think this is due to me being so island-crazy, i always feel impatient to get back to on-island action every time we see the oceanic 6 lately. one other thing kinda bugged me during this episode. i rarely try to find fault with the writers; i feel like i'm a particularly forgiving audience member for the most part, willing to overlook most things for the greater good, but i wasn't really fond of the decision to start the episode with the oceanic 6 already on the island. i do love the resonance with the pilot episode, and can appreciate the iconic status of starting the episode on jack's eyeball. however, i felt it took away from the surprise of them getting back. i didn't like the fact that we were forced to watch the same scene over again toward the end of the episode. i felt like that time could have been used a bit better. anyway, just my nit picking. sorry for the rambling, incoherent nature of my post. sometimes i just get on here without much of a plan for what i'm going to say and just start a stream of consciousness post, and this episode raised so many questions, i will have to return to pose more.
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i have to go on record as disagreeing with many of the current theories that have charlie hume being charles widmore; granddad shephard as old jack; flight 316 ben as smokey summoning ben; etc. the time skipping has been a brilliant addition to the show, but it has really increased the crazy-factor of theorizing by a factor of 10. but i do think kate ate aaron, and i will buy that t-shirt when it becomes available
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I could draw that.
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pa, i would love to see a drawing of kate, with blood dripping down her chin half a turnip-head left on her plate. cheif, i really like that ben/penny hypothesis. probably the most satisfying theory about it i've heard so far. cuz it does just seem like a red herring to have ben kill penny, like too obvious. but to have pen and charlie gone would definitely enrage des to whup some ass on ben. you never disappoint, chief.
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Feb 20, 2009 12:39:21 AM CST
Have him stuffed in her cheek like a squirel
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while she tells Jack ‘You’ll Never Ask Me That Question Again!!’
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anyone have a link to the easter egg video with darlton that doc jensen talked about this week?
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http://tinyurl.com/cojpsw
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Feb 20, 2009 12:43:05 AM CST
i probably should read the page before i link to the article
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fuck, nevermind again, i guess that's why they call it an easter egg. i don't have time for a hunt. that's what i rely on all you hard workers for
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I aint seen ONE damn monkey on this Island yet! I guess the Island police shot them all already.
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That HURLEY-bird better make a few more appearances!
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Back to the first flashback..Jack sitting in seat 23 drinking vodka, looking out the window ..and then a FLASH..and a rising mushroom cloud off in the distance..as Faraday has done his thing..taken the plutonium from Jughead, built a crude atomic device, and 'torched the island', so his love Charlotte can never return 'get back'...
"Like Doubting Thomas perhaps Cartaphilus is guilty of wanting to find out about the world for himself. For Thomas it was instigated by doubt, for Cartaphilus it was instigated by a curse but are both men not wiser?"
*Note*"Medieval legend has it that as Jesus walked to Golgotha he was disrespected by a shoemaker amongst others. As a result of this disrespect, this man, (variously known as Cartaphilus, Longinus, Malchus and Ahasverus) was cursed by Jesus to wander the earth until the second coming...
The legend itself has many incarnations but seems to be European in origin. One of the incarnations relates that Cartaphilus wanders the earth until the age of 100 when he is miraculously changed back to a 30 year old and his wanderings begin again."
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that was a strangely purposeful look back that dead-eye hawking gave as she opened the lamppost hatch, as if she was saying, "look, a dharma symbol off the island, aren't you freaked out? weird, isn't it?" almost as if she was trying to convince them of something. she's always been mysterious; now i just don't trust her really. plus her hammy delivery of the exposition was really disappointing, especially the second time around. she sounded like a granny reading a bedtime story in her dramatic voice. i love desmond unleashed- the way he just cuts through the room, across the pendulum's path, rather than going around the edges as everyone else. "it must be that flight"- shades of claire's psychic from season 1
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haven't seen him (or pancho straight) for a while. i asssume he's still mysteriously banned...
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Did you say something, Todd?
Mom make you feel her tits?
Todd, where are you going with this?
Just don't... don't say anything to my dad, though. Some friend of my sister's...he said something to my dad a couple of years ago..
he now lives in a shack in Guam.
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Are you telling me people STILL have problems with Locke!? It's a magic fucking island, cripples walk, people get sent through time, it's got an ageless guy living on it, and you still think Locke is a weirdo?
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but since this site sucks so fucking bad i ended up losing it.
In short (now)
1> time travel and aliens are out, that doesn't mean the island couldn't be existing in a parallel dimension, hell look at Alpert.
2> the show is influenced by a crapload of stuff, its meant to be Easter eggs leading us in the right direction not taken as some sort of TV prophecy.
3> The four toed statue isn't really an issue, I've assumed by now that it was meant to be lumped in with all the other ancient crap on the island, and anyone rambling about Locke's foot cast or sawyer is brain dead, the statue was a left foot... Not a fucking right foot... some of y'all can't see the forest for the trees.
4> Enough of the theories about main characters procreating and giving birth to their parents, not only does none of it make any sense but there's no evidence in the show at all to support it. i know the show may be going in a cyclical nature but seriously...
Thats it, thanks AICN for making me write my post again!
also: Vader i hope to see more hurley-bird as well, it always seemed strangely prehistoric.
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hey -- there was a post earliar for a "kate ate aaron" t-shirt. harry or someone took the link away. you have to see this to believe it. i bought 3 for my sis and bros. crazy -- we coin a phrase here and it turns into a t-shirt that is sold all over the world. here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/bvt34u
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1. Lock is not as clean shaven as we last saw him sleeping in that coffin. Didn't know dead bodies have facial hair growth.
2. Christian was wearing Jack's shows, Locke is wearing Christian's shoes... will at sometime Jack end up in coffin wearing Locke's shoes? I think likely, because...
It seems as if Jack is being setup to be the leader Locked couldn't be, remember Christian's tone to Locke? As well as Richard's disappointment when he went to see young Locke? Now that Jack *believes* he is both a man of science and man of faith. Maybe Christian was a failed leader [or lost to Ben] coz was just a man of science. But somehow I see Jack beingthe future leader, and part of it being coming back in a coffin wearing Locke's shoes.
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flashbacks of the first three seasons. The time displacement to the past seems to be a convenient device to explain away/retcon things they peppered the story with initially merely to add an element of weirdness, such as The Others knowing intimate details about the survivors.
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at that point they didn't know how long the show would run for so, I can only assume they decided to give a backstory for the characters (which now is awesome), It's kind of inevitable they'd have t connect the dots at some point.
For the most part though the flashbacks in s1,s2,etc, gave us the motivations and emotional backgrounds of the losties (jack needs to fix things and then sometimes marries the people he fixes, kates a runner, lockes a loner with daddy issues, sawyers a con-man with a big heart, etc.)
I always took the others' knowledge of the losties past's as a result of crazy research, look how fast they all reacted when 815 was breaking up over the island, it hadn't even hit the ground yet and they had ethan and goodwyn running into the jungle; With someone like Mikhail around they would have had plenty of time to collect info based on the plane boarding list. -
You used to be my guide? The light that shone onto tv shows I should watch. BUt more and more I feel you're way of the mark! East Bound and Down is one of the funniest edgiest comedy's I've seen in a long time, maybe ever. THe room full of people I was with seemed to agree. BUT HOW ON EARTH CAN LOST 5.5 BE SUPRISE FREE? It was onfirmation filled? Maybe you're loosing your mind? Maybe you're not as clued up as I thoguht. BUt Lost 5.5 was good solid fun. 5.6 was good as well, but overall didn't have the same WOW factor as 5.5. But so far this season is shaping up to be one of the best! Hercules... please head back to your former, "nail-on-the-head" views!
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During the scene between Ben and Jack in the Church...Ben tells Jack that "Some people have to be convinced John."
"John"??!! Did I hear that right or did he say "Jack".
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I could have sworn that whoever was able to piece together some of the words from the Bentham obit in season 3 came to the conclusion that he killed himself by hanging.
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that's a bit beyond silly. The Dark tower came up quite organically in this discussion about the possibility of 'time loops'. Another talkbacker specifically asked if he/she should continue reading the books, and I gave my reasons (without a wealth of detail, I thought) as to why he/she should NOT. If that's trollish, then I guess I am. I thought I was just trying to help another talkbacker with the decision whether or not to spend the time to finish a series I found disappointing. From reading the Lost talkback for a while, I thought it was ok to discuss literary works that may have echoes on the show. Seems I was mistaken.
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Obviously you don't know what Arabic looks like dude. It's and Indian airline and thus it's logo reflects Hindi script.
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just because 2 guys out of hundreds here called you a troll, don't sweat it. god knows, you could say darth vader was luke's father and someone would shriek that you spoiled it for them. someone, somewhere, doesn't know the ending to something and you will piss them off eventually. oh, and for those people- dumbledore is dead, the planet of the apes is actually earth, and Tyler Durden was just a personality in edward norton's head.
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I'm not really upset, just thought I'd show my reasoning. I really enjoy reading this thread, as it presents a LOT of interesting 'what-ifs' and alternative ideas. I haven't read all the books that appear on the show & add to the themes of the story, and enjoy when those themes, ideas, and SPECIFIC PLOT POINTS are discussed in reference to ideas on the show. It ADDS to my enjoyment and makes the experience a little fuller. That's all.
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before committing to a 7-book epic, whether or not it will be worth the investment? Anyway....back on topic. As much as I like Ben as a character, I don't trust that his motivations are completely in the island's best interest, unless the island is named Ben Linus. Mark my words, it's all about how HE can get back on top. I think Jack may have to end up killing him, right after he strangles Kate for playing the 'trust me' card that final, camel-breaking time.
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I was urprised to see Locke confronting Chuck in the previews next week. That will be an interesting convo.
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I think we are seeing this story being told from the middle of any book.
When the 815 crashed, it was actually right in the middle of the story of the island. In future episodes, we see the past being explained, and later on, some of the future revealed.
Through the Island"s shifting in time, we are seeing the key parts of the book being set up. Possibly, thru Jacob's insight, Ben and Whidmore know they are in the middle of a story that cannot be changed.
For instance, say Locke saves Ben's life at some point. Ben know's he cannot kill Locke before that point happens in time.It would change the rules. It would change a story in a book already written.
Somehow Ben/Richard are aware of the entire timeline and know certain events must unravel naturally, or that they have a specific hand in things.
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The showing ending at "the foot of The Crab Nebula" is possibly a reference to a book written by a physicist "Professor Foot". The cover of the book shows the Crab Nebula". The subject of the book is "Mirror Matter" or matter where chirality is reversed at the quantum level and the strange properties it would have. There is a whole load of Lost theories discussing the Island being made of this. Google is your friend!
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It was your cable provider fucking up the signal. I've seen this happen on ABC's HD feed though my local affiliate. I rewound and turned on closed-captioning to be able to figure out what was going on for that 30 seconds or so.
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Guys - the BaleBack is gonna break 10k posts within the next hour.
Hey I know! Maybe if you spam LOCKE RULES 2,000 times like you did in that LostBack last summer, you can catch up. -
...Jack was sitting on the floor drinking his sorrows away? A week? He seems to have cleaned up a bit since then. What happened to all the maps on the floor, and the unwashed dishes in the sink? Was Ben's reappearance in his life enough to get him to clean up everything (which started with him shaving off his beard)?
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Hey fuckstick. The 10,000 post TB and then the 3,000 more posts on another TB after that one crashed, was two years ago, and we were ON TOPIC (an actual topic) with no spamming or other bullshit the entire time. That Bale shit is a blight on AICN.
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Feb 20, 2009 1:19:26 PM CST
History is about to be made in the Terminator TB.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Fuck John Locke. And fuck all of you. TODAY IS OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY.
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Neither was Jin, though people were 100% positive he was, too.
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Keep repeating it 2,000 times and even you losers might make history one day.
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The 10,000 post Losr TB had no spamming and no repeated posts, you putrid little fuckface. Kurinski waas takign about last year's TB that came no where close. Congrats on your pathetic nonaccomplishment.
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What happened shithead? You going to cry now?
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WHY CAN'T I POST TO THE BALE TB??
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blew a circuit. Nothing is getting posted!
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we've been ambushed
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he's leaving office, and not happy about it.
G'BYE.
PS: for 4 days, there were NOT ONE - TWO BALEBACK talkbacks. The other one siphoned about 3k posts before it succumbed to the awesome.
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you knew we couldnt be stopped, so you shut it down. Lick a Bale nutsack homocode
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You do realize you guys posted random posts about nothing, right? congrats on wasting your fuckign time. Fucking pathetic.
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And I swear to christ I will find you Harry. You turd.
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what a douche move. Locked the thread at 9986.
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We'll find some other way to trash this place.
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Lets hijack this bitch
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FUUUUUUUCK.
FUUCK.
If this has been done by design. By human hand. Then that is low. Seriously fucking low.
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if its locked, we regorup in Mass' LOTR Tabletop update.
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Now the fatman will feel his wrath
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Feb 20, 2009 1:41:16 PM CST
we should hit up the chat zone and find out whats doing there.
by arcadiands
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My final post was...
THIS ONE'S FOR YOU PAT MORITA!!!!
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You sit in here with the other nerds that can't get laid and discuss theories about a fucking TV as if its real life. Gee I wonder how big Jack's dick really is under there.
I would say thats far more pathetic than shootin' the shit with a room full of dudes with nasty humor. FUCK YOU. WE CREATE. YOU WORSHIP OTHERS. -
It locks up at 10,000. Same thing happened to us. We couldn't post anymore.
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but he showed he had spirit. And that's what we did and no morbidly obese piece of shit can take that from us.
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Look at me. I just took a movie title and put Bale in it. Whoopeee. You guys are real cool. Now take a hike so I can fuck your mom in her ass.
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You've made it quite clear you've been reading the Bale TB from the beginning. How does it feel you wasted your life reading 10,000 fucking posts......hiding in the corner, wanting to participate but realizing no one can really stand your paranoid ass. Lost is perfect for you. A SHOW TO MAKE DORKS FEEL IMPORTANT. Good luck burying your dead Mother. I suggest a closed casket. Anal impalement is a terrible way to go. -
Believers Are Salt and Light
"You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men.
"You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. -
HoboCode, not true. The Lostback went past 10,000. Probably close to 11,000 (although the last three or four hundred posts were spammed).
And we're not idiots. That Baleback contained some of the wittiest laugh-out-loud stuff i've ever seen in a decade of visiting AICN. We're just disappointed.
Like getting within metres to the summit of Everest and then being ordered back down. -
first link
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I'm more than a little pissed.
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Feb 20, 2009 1:49:09 PM CST
Hobo -- for a guy that cries about Christian allegory....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
(Remember the tantrum you threw over Prince Caspian?) How do you feel about all the Christian symbolism Lost is shoving down your fucking throat as of late? Oh.....thats different right. We don't talk about such things. Again..... YOU = PUSSY HYPOCRITE COWARD ME = GETS GREAT SATISFACTION FROM STOMPING YOUR BITCH ASS FACE -
It's been fucking locked Abom.
Either because the site's tech can't handle it, or because...
Well, if Harry or one of his boys did it then that would be just about the cuntiest thing around. Just seconds before 10,000. -
Feb 20, 2009 1:55:11 PM CST
We had a couple weeks with no fighting with the Baleback
by klytus_i.m_bored
Now look at us. splintering off again into this. So sad. Look what you did Harry. You took it all away.
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OH NOES OUR STUPID F**KING LOSTBACK IS GONNA GET PWNED. GET QUINT TO LOCK IT.
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The site was generally DannyDickBlood Free for the better part of a week. And then some douchebag admin decided to let him out of his node-cage.
YOU CAN LOCK THE NODE, BUT YOU CANT STOP THE FAIL. -
Lost has influences from every major religion in it maggot. Narnia bullshit is direct retelling of the fucking new testament. Now go materbate to that shit film a little more. I know you want to freeze Reepicheep and shove him up your ass.
And Cobra-Kai it is YOU that don't know what the fuck your talking about becasue the S3 lost TB crashed just before 10,000 and there was no spammage. Spew your lies in some other dojo jerkwad.
And cobra -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =MnIWJ2CI2Qw
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Bale has issued his latest Bull: There shall be no further posts, discussions, content, or any viewing of Lost talkbacks. Violators risk excommunication. May Professionalism be With you...always.
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I looked at the lostback yesterday Hobocode. This was the figure we were trying to beat so why would I lie and say it was more than it was?
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From now on I'm gonna fucking destroy you in every Lostback.
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10k limit, what utter bullshit!
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AICN fixed it afterwards numbnuts. The spamming was done later by people that had nothing to do with it. Take your ignorant ass out oh here.
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Cock blood, don't come in here talking shit. You lost your room. Tough. Don't fuck it up here for other people.
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I got there right before it hit 10,000 and posted the wittiest fucky comment known to all talkbackers and it didn't fucking post! DAMN YOU MICHAEL BA-er HARRY KNOWLES!
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2/2/09 to 2/20/09
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Arcadian, Eggart, Abom, Conti, Danny, Stuntcock, Kurt, Klytus, Santi, the mysterious STLost, and every other pro that pushed the Baleback to breaking point...
I just want to say 'we did it'.
We trashed the fucking lights big time boys.
The Greatest TB Of All Time TM. Belongs to us. But more importantly it belongs to Bale.
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...but since I got evicted from BALEBACK I'm squatting here.
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Ok Danny. I'll be waiting you fucking dick-nosed, little-dicked spaz.
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We heard your defening screams that shook Shane Hurlbut to his core......we praised you.......
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Christians shall take over this land like the Jews did Israel!!
THIS IS THE PROMISED LAND AND WE MEAN TO STAY MOTHERFUCKERS!! -
My man-love for you, ABOM, Danny, Stuntcock, Twist, Santi, Arcadian, Kurz, Klytus, and fucking ever other PROFESSIONAL is boundless. I think I am goin' to cry.
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like to lick Bales sweaty nutsack then asks for me...
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like to lick Bales sweaty nutsack then asks for more
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we can still eat pork though, right?
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You're a cream pop. Wow. You fags crashed a room. Now put the curtain up in the basement so your mom can do the laundry.
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Before the Balebackers arrived! Now its lights will be fucking trashed.
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What a present.
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LET US BEGIN!________________________Love Your Enemies
"You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. -
Homocode likes Mayo with his Dog.
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Don't even try play internet tough, dude. I'm fucking around...I'm not making actual threats like I would really do harm to you. We all know judging from your personality you are a paranoid little twirp. No way in hell could anyone that throws that many childish tantrums be anything more than a timid boy. You're older than me but you act like a fucking baby.Just shut the fuck up for once.
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Feb 20, 2009 2:12:07 PM CST
THIS IS THE PROMISED LAND AND WE MEAN TO STAY MOTHERFUCKERS!!
by toughguyrizzo
I mean, until we get the next LOST talkback, right? That's on the 25th.
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It needed to be done. It was our Balestiny.
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WE TRASH THIS FUCKING TB RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!
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Homocode pops a BlueLando and cheats on ToughGayRizzo.
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http://tinyurl.com/dhjs6p
I HOPE IT WAS FUCKING GOOD BECAUSE ITS USELESS NOW ISN'T IT? FUCK SAKE MAN YOU'RE AMATEUR. -
What did I tell you! AQU@FAG laughs at you all! And now, so does that famous LOST TB!You'll never beat them. NEVER!
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Had your back, but it's Friday in NYC. I'll pop on before I leave home and see if these fuckfaces are tired of this fuckin miraculous accomplishment. If any of you talkbacker fucks wanna find me tho, I'll be at St. Marks Ale House on St. Marks btwn 3rd and 2nd after 9
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http://tinyurl.com/b7td53
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Homocode gets a stiffy over Ralph Macchio.
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NEW FLASH LOST LOSERS! THEY NEVER GET OFF THE ISLAND!!
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this Lostback with the BALERANT, to convert it to BALEBACK II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO?
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I might as well join the fucking peace corps!
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......kick your fucken ASS! I want you off the FUCKIN' set you prick! NO don't just be sorry! THINK for one fuckin second. The......THE FUCK. ARE. YOU. DOING???!!!!! Are you professional or not?! Do I fuckin' walk around and rip tha... no SHUT THE FUCK UP BRUCE-- do I wa... NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT SHUT ME UP. Am I gonna walk around and rip your fuckin lights down in the middle of a scene? Than why the FUCK are you walking right through all DA DA DA DA like this in the background? What the FUCK is it with you? WHATDONCHUFUCKINUNNERSTANNND?!! You got any fuckin idear about-- HEY ITS FUCKIN' DISTRACTING having somebody walking in behind Bryce in the middle of the fucking scene. Gimme a FUCKIN ANSWER!!! What dont you get about it!?! AAAAOOOOOOOOH!!!! GOOOOOOD for you. And how was it? I hope it was fucking good because its useless now isnt it? FUCK sake man you're amateur. McG you got something to say to this prick? Well somebody should be fuckin watching him and keeping an eye on him. This is the 2nd time he doesnt give a FUCK!!!!! About what is going on behind the camera. Alright? I'm trying to fucking do a scene here and I'm going "Why the fuck is Shane walking in there? What is he doing there?" You understand my mind is not in the scene if you're doing that. STAY OFF THE FUCKIN' SET MAN. Fuck sake. Alright lets go again. No lets not take a fuckin minute LETS GO AGAIN!!! And lets not have you fucking walking in . Can I have Tom to put this on please? You're unbelievable man. You're unfuckinbelievable. Number of times you're strolling and fucking around in the background. I never had a DP behave like this. UHHHH you dont fucking understand what its like working with actors. Thats what that is. THATS WHAT THAT IS MAN I'm tellin you. I'M NOT ASKING, I'M TELLING YOU. You wouldn't have done that otherwise..... I'm gonna FUCKING kick your FUCKIN ASS IF YOU DONT SHUT UP FOR A SECOND!!! Alright? I'm gonna, you want me to go trash your lights? You want me to FUCKING TRASH EM? Then why are you trashing my scene? You ARE trashing my scene!!! You do it one more fucking time and I ain't walking on this set if you're still hired. I'm fucking serious, you're a nice guy, YOU'RE A NICE GUY.....but that dont fucking cut it when you bullshit and fuckin around like this on set. Yeah you might get it but he doesnt fucking get it. You might. HE. DOES. NOT. GET IT. No I dont need any fuckin walking. HE NEEDS TO STOP WALKIN!! I ain't the one walkin. Get Tom and put this back on. Lets go again. Seriously man, YOU AND ME-- WE'RE FUCKING DONE PROFESSIONALLY. Fuckin ass.
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Nice one eggart.
Once more with feeling pls Christian. -
You guys should concentrate on more fruitful endeavors...like finding out who that babe is in the "Cinemax Forbidden Science" ad at the top of the page.Viva la AQU@FAG!
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I'll follow you to hell motherfucker. You fucked with wrong posse.
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OR NOT.
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it's like the walls of Arkham just fell. The crazies are OUT HERE WITH US. Welcome!
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ToughGayRizzo will be at St Marks Ale House between 3rd and 2nd, in the fourth cubicle of the men toilets.
Stick your dick through the glory hole and he'll polish it up, but good.
Homocode's first in line. -
You're the only one acting like a cunt-faced bully around here, Tranny. You're nothing more than an overbearing thug with your pussy ass clique to back you up. It's beyond fucking sad because everyone knows that in real life your a pathetic failure at life. Have fun with your circle jerk boys. I've wasted enough time with you.
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Hey, I'm already there. Look for the guy with the laptop laughing his ass off, piss drunk, cock out.
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I guarantee there's been at least another hundred posts or so!Don't blame Bale for the epic fail of the AICN TBs!
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Gaius, naw that babe from the ad's got nothin' on our gals.
Nigella, Andie, and of course Beru. -
Enjoy the beer. I'll be taking your lead shortly, seeing as I have an actual life as well.
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RUN RUN MY FLOWER!!! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!
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and resumes waxing an elephant's asshole
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Let's stay.
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Homocode runs and hides with piss trickling down his leg.
Jim Gordon "He does that." -
A wretched hive of scum, villainy and internet tough guys. People on internet porn sites are more polite.
But it is a shitload of fun.
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Fuzzjefe thank you for your courtesy.
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He'll try to act all big like he's got shit to do. Watch him pop up in a few minutes in the Inglourious TB licking Tarantino's balls. He's a fucking coward with fantastic tonsils for throat fucking and a tiny penis that rarely achieves 100% hardness.
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It was just peace, love and understanding. It was the Age of BALEQURIUS. Here, everyone is looking for a fight with us. Well this is one PROFESSIONAL who isn't afraid to get his hands dirty.
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Every time an AICN talk back approached 10,000 Locke had to hit the button or the internet would explode.
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there's a special mixture of vitriol, venom, and geek self-loathing that makes this site's talkbacks something special. Add a dash of retroactive hatred to any product that gets 'too popular', and you have a recipe for lowest-common-denominator hilarity. I love it.
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It's just as easy to be courteous as it is to be a douche.
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Feb 20, 2009 2:35:43 PM CST
Lowest common denominator = me staring at Nigella's cans.
by stuntcock mike
Bliss.
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The final line... the final words.. of the epic Baleback were...
'Don't crash the internet yet!'
Truest fucking words EVER spoken.
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Bale kicked his fucking ass for being distracting until he was dead.
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homocodes throat and the bitch would ask for more
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Distraaaaacting!
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...how you converse with a snake like Hobocode is beyond me. You should be ashamed of yourselves for that alone. Hobocode is the very reason Lord Bale created child abuse.
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....he would be starring opposite Christ Bale in Terminator Motherfucking Salvation. Sadly he doesn't. Now pass that peach pie, White Vader motherfuckers.
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Harry "Thread Locker" Knowles in AICN: The Movie
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Feb 20, 2009 2:39:46 PM CST
I gotta tell ya though, I'd eat Sun's lunch any day of the week.
by stuntcock mike
Worthy of a celery dip at least.
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Bale has commanded, this bitch is hijacked
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Man for a group of people that are quoting scricpture you sure are a bunch of potty mouths.
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DGDB I have to agree with you about Homocode.
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"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
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And I looked, and he opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake. And the sun became as black as sack cloth, and the moon became as blood."
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Odd.
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Yeah, the great thing about the Baleback was its camaraderie. Zero trolling or name calling.
Team spirit, vibing jokes off each other.
That's the professional way. -
Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
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lets go back and add to 9986
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Wow....this is fucking ridiculous. Harry is showing his true fucking colors with this one. I might be outta here after this guys....
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What the fuck is that bullshit? Hope someone made a pdf of it.
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Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to stay out of Bale's eyeline. Really. Stay out.
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THE SHIT WORKS!
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Our time was too brief, Balebackers.
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Laters Losties!
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Feb 20, 2009 2:52:01 PM CST
Could the Baleback be the cleansing fire that leads to...
by mr. nice gaius
...mass bannings and a lift on the new registration embargo?Stay tuned, Talkback fans!
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He said "Penny, isn't it?" when referring to her name.
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For an episode that had almost no "on-island" action, I thought it was a pretty good, fast-paced episode. It also helps that Carlton and Damon wrote the episode. It was a good mix of drama and paranormal. I agree that the way they just appeared on the island was a little tidy compared to their first crash landing - but hopefully it will be explained further. Now I was REALLY hoping we would have the rest of the season be all on-island action but it looks like we're going back in time for Locke's POV.
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My guess is that he found out Widmore abducted Penny and the baby was heading back to the island. Widmore was probably tracking Ben or the Losties, found Hawking and forced her to reveal the location. Perhaps Ben got in the way and killed off some of Widmore's security and that's why he looks that way. The death of Penny wouldn't have been enough to convince Desmond to head back to the island.
Man, I had never checked out the Bale TB (despite a growing curiosity over how it could grow so large) because I figured that only the most retarded people in the history of AICN would spend so much time obsessing over "f-bombs" like some stupid little fucking children. Now that they've invaded here, I can see that I was right. Only they come across as far more pathetic than I could have possibly imagined. For fucks sake, get a life!
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We are not the 'jocks' of medicine (except maybe ortho). Neurosurgeins are the cream of the crop, and frequently oddballs. I'm not convinced that bad grammar is a sign of lack of intelligence in any event.
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My taste in television is pretty similar to Herc's - Buffy, Lost and 24 being three of my favorite shows this decade - but I tend to disagree with his opinion on individual episodes. Last weeks episode was definitely above average and while not full of as many surprises as some earlier eps this season, it was definitely on-par with episode 3 which Herc called "one of the Series' best." I remember way back in 2002, he gave the season 6 Buffy episode "DoubleMeat Palace" five stars - which was a horrendous piece of television, especially for Buffy. While he gave low scores to two of the season's best episodes "Villains" and "Normal Again". I guess we just have different standards on what constitutes a great episode.
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on creating the second longest tb ever. well done. let's hope it's a while before it becomes the 3rd or 4th longest. should last at least until the end of this season of lost. once again: well done.
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FROM SCIFIWIRE--Lindelof said that a DVD set of the first season will come out this summer, before a second season begins in the fall. As the show progresses, he added, it won't venture too far into science fiction as its mysteries unfold. "We're still trying to be ... firmly ensconced in the world of science fact," he said in an interview. "I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet ... that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and ... things being in a place where they probably shouldn't be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn't any time travel." ---Read that closely. Lindelof is using very SPECIFIC language to describe what was going on the show AT THAT POINT (the start of season two). Lindelof says they had not shown "anything yet" (at that time) "that has no rational explanation..."....so what Lindelof is QUOTED as saying is discreet to that period of the show's unfolding. Lindelof (and Cuse) were in the guiding-the-audience-stage then and I see nothing that rules out time travel or any other phenomenon in future seasons. The context has to be taken into account that Lindelof was talking about heading into season two, not to say that he made a blanket statement covering the whole of the series.
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algernon sayz dat i can spel reel gud. hez mi frend. i gave hem sum flowurs . hez veri fastt running. he is smarrt. he sayz evun though i spelll bad that dontt meen im dumb. i want too b smartt too. p.s. , algurnon iz a mouse.
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i love algernon.
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Well there has been a lot of comparisons to Narnia. One of the main things that I have heard from Darlton is talk about the fact that in Narnia each time the kids entered Narnia they did it in a different way the first time through the wardrobe and the second through a train station. The first time that they survivors got to the island was a plane crash that was caused by Desmond not hitting the button when he killed Keemy (Yes CB Keemy is dead). The second time they were transported off of the plane. It could have gone differently, but tranporting or teleportation is my guess with what little we have seen so far.
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technically, the island is moving through time while the rest of the world doesn't change. It's all about perspective. So it's not like a time machine. Right? I got nothing.
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attributable to more than just the former administration. the stimulus package has eliminated e-verify and erased welfare reform. google marxism. the new administration has set in motion the first steps toward socialized medicine, housing, banking, etc. palin has leadership experience that cant be denied. couric was briefed by the current administrations behind the scene handlers on how to paint palin into a corner during that infamous cbs news interview. couric admitted that obamas people met with her for hours before palin arrived without palins people knowing. can you imagine if mccains handlers briefed an interviewer on how to paint biden in a corner beforehand? it would have been front page news. im just saying. look at the current situation with some perspective. sorry for the rant. bump.
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The problems were caused by Pelosi & Barry Frank just as much as Bush. But lets not be like those Balebackers. Lets get back to talking about Lost.
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what ben will ultimately do when he thinks the island is safe again. will he kill the O-6. i still think he is capable of anything. nothing is a given when you are dealing with ben. he could be lying about everything. it seems strange that he just sits there and lets eloise tell jack and company so many pertinent secrets of the island and the dharma initiative. he let them hear that shit for a reason. i still think he is misleading everyone somehow. is that obvious to everyone or am i seeing this wrong?
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Edshrinker just posted a spoiler about weither or not Penny will be on the show or not. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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i agree. lets get back to lost. i strayed with my rant but i read a liberal post and i couldnt help it. i will try to be more subtle but i had to put a few things on the table that some straight ticket democrat voters may not even be aware of.
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I'm very curious to see how this whole Desmond - Penny thing plays out! Thanks for the update, pa. Air much fresher around here this evening, that's for sure!
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I leave for 5 fuckin minutes and this TB gets thrown to the dogs!
That was unbelievable! Those Balebackers are rough trade, huh? Jealous bitches. Oh, well...gone now.
Glad I was at work for 14 hours and missed all that nonsense. Man...I really wanna read that Penny spoiler Ed posted! But I have to resist! These episodes are so much better spoiler-free.
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i am trying my best to avoid spoilers too. the best part of lost is the journey to the answers not the answers themselves. the watchback will be great for me this year after this season ends. i am looking forward to seeing things that i didnt comprehend when i did my first watchback of seasons one through three. i still have only seen season four once (during its initial tv run). when i watch the pilot , i am going to take a good look at the shoes our doctor gave the drunk apparition (reincarnation? remember the van anagram)
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Feb 20, 2009 10:59:14 PM CST
Can someone please tell me what the fuck a baleback is?
by billypilgrimisunstuck
Seriously.
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are you asking rhetorically or do you really not know? if you dont know i will explain. scroll back up and look at the top ten talkbacks. the number one talkback deals with terminator 4 news. that is the baleback. read a few posts and you will get the idea. christian bale had an infamous rant and it escalated into the entity known as the baleback. youre a nice guy, youre a nice guy but that aint gonna cut it.
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Thanks. I read that there was a spoiler having to do with Lost (this is a lost tb right?) and I didn't have the nerve to scroll up. That's what I ASSUMED it meant, but still, just making sure. Sounds like a gay porn genre though.
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You really don't want to go over there, I just did and its a pretty nasty group. In fact the newest post they mentioned your asking about Baleback, so they are still watching us a little.
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No spoiler. I mentioned that I posted one at http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/ but even there I make it so that you have to click a button to reveal anything spoilery. We try our best to not post spoilers here so no need to worry about spoilers here.
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No matter...If I go there...I can't resist the "jolly...CANDY-LIKE BUTTON!!"
I'm sure the Balejobs are watching us...but they won't post over here...they wouldn't waste the post...they'd rather pad their own lame TB total. Good for them. They'll find out how much fun it is to hit the 'white screen of death'.
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Well maybe someday we'll have to start putting Spoilers behind 2 buttons?
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Ha! That brings back memories! Oh Lostback 32774 - those were the days!
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Actually, far from it. I am the one that posted billy's comments about BALEBACK because it was funny. The line "what the fuck a baleback is?" is very humorous to us. As for what we are, go to node 39976 to see for yourself. And remember, BALE loves you.
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Do Be a Hero, come on over. BaleBack welcomes all
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Nice "Space Madness" reference. R&S=best show ever.
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I very rarely talk back in these things but I gotta say. For the last few years I have enjoyed this site immensely. Through it I have learned so much about what's going on and theories that other fans have, Herc, Moriarty, and Harry, though I do not always agree with your takes on things, I value your opinions far more than the average reviewer you see praising every piece of junk that comes. All of you guys in the talkbacks have informed me so much about the details of things I frankly do not have time in my life to figure out on my own, and you make things far more enjoyable for me. These talkbacks are a really cool thing, especially on this site, yea there's been some trolling before that I have seen, annoyed me a little, picturing kids(or adults) for that matter in there decepticon undies in their parents basements. (I am not in my parents basement, But I definitely have a Boba Fett sweatshirt on right now). The picture I have in my mind of these people is funny, endearing, and makes me feel like being a part of this Geekdom is something to take pride in. That being said all of us come here to take part in conversations involving what we love, the bit of escape we all get from the real world where we share ideas with people of common interests. There are enough assholes I deal with in my day to day life, that after dinner with my girl, before Lost(or whatever) I want to read what you intellectual people have to say about things, not deal with more Assholes like a did all day at work. Snap out of it folks we are all here for the same reason, and we are not enemies. How would the nerds rise above the jocks if we never stuck together? not saying, just saying!
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"We're not driving anymore...we're RIIIIIIIIIDDDDDING!".
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Cylon Ellen shows up on the island
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Meaning the first half was pretty strange, and I don't really mean that in a good way. Not up to Lost's usual standard of brilliant writing. I see other people here had trouble with the O-6 not asking the "right" questions from Ellie. What bothered me the most is them not asking about the specifics of what would happen when they recreate the flight. Will the plane crash again? What will then happen to all the other passengers? Jack's throwaway question on the plane just doesn't cut it for me. I don't have a hard time accepting the O-6'ers at the lamp post believing in Ellie, but I do have a hard time accepting they wouldn't even once think about what would happen to all the innocent people they would endanger. That would basically mean them accepting to not prevent mass murder. I would have liked to see someone asking Ellie that, and then her saying something to appease them. That would have been enough for me. It's still not a major problem for me, though. Especially since the rest of the episode was so awesome. Some other (extremely) random thoughts: *There is obviously no scientific explanation for them having to recreate the conditions for their first arrival on the island. So why did they have to do it? I hate myself for saying this, but it seemed kind of arbitrary... Some spiritual explanation is probably upcoming, but anyone got any theories? *It's been said often here that the island moves in space and time, but does it really "move" (as in jump) in time? Is there anything to support this? Obviously the remaining Losties jumped back and forth in time, obviously the island jumped from one place to another, but is there anything to support it jumping in *time*? I don't think it is. It seems the island's time is chronological, but "out of sync" with the rest of the world. (SUDDEN THEORY FLASH: Could this temporal syncdisplacement actually be scientifically explained by the island moving in space? I don't know shit about relativity so someone will probably shoot this down fairly quickly, but if the island is moving (in space) at a faster/slower velocity than Earth, wouldn't that mean that time passes more quickly/slowly on the island than the rest of the world? Or am I just stating the obvious/old theories here?). *I'm sort of hoping the plane didn't crash. Maybe the 815 wasn't supposed to crash either, but the anomaly from the hatch caused it to? *So is Ben sort of a freeloader on whatever it is that enables the O-6 to return? It seems a bit strange... *I don't really know why, but the ending with Jin reminded me of the ending of Burton's Planet of the Apes. I don't mean that in a bad way. *Penny is not dead. No way in hell. Des and Penny have become the emotional core of this show, and their arcs appear to be incomplete. I do think Ben tried to kill her though. *As long as it is handled with the same grace as the time travel, or any other part of the show, I don't care if there is an extraterrestrial explanation for everything.Don't mean to come off as negative on the show. This episode just was not the season's best, IMO.
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and i am going to see "the crazies" on the big screen that will be followed up with a q. and a. with george himself. i just thought i would share that in case we have any romero fans browsing the talkback today. the crazies is the only film that i could get a ticket to. i wanted to get a ticket to dawn of the deads showing tomorrow but it was sold out by the time i got around to buying my tickets online. the crazies was the only thing i could get. i havent seen the crazies before but i hope it will be enjoyable. it will be my only chance to ever see george romero in person and i cant wait. he is one of my favorite directors of any genre not just horror. ok, back to lost.bump.
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Feb 21, 2009 4:52:38 PM CST
jeez, i'm glad i was busy yesterday while the balebackers were h
by arzt go boom
that was such a waste of space. i peeked at their talkback yesterday before i started reading their posts here; it was funny for about a minute (gotta admit, the bale rant had some gems), but it definitely doesn't compete with a record setting lost talkback. i am of the firm opinion we'll hit the white screen of death at the end of this season- there's so fucking much to talk about
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oh, im sure we will hit the white screen this year after the season ends. i cant wait for the watchback this time. i didnt participate in the watchback last year but i am damn sure going to do one this year even if i am the only one. i think by the end of this current season, we will be able to decipher the first 4 seasons like never before.
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..DannyGlover is hilarious. Reminded me of when I was 12.
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I just want you to know that the resent bunch of crude and mean talk did not come from our group. Theres a group of individuals whose Christian Bale Talkback got shut down for awile eysterday and so they decided to come here and defile our Talkback with their rude language. Our group is not usually like that and now that they are gone (I hope) things can get back to normal. Please join the conversation!
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While your at it check out our Lost blog which is updated daily. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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316 didn't crash, the Oceanic 6 needed to be in range of the Island so they could time jump off the plane and the flight carried on minus some passengers. the hot chick from Rome/Lone Gunmen and the guy from GI Joe I assume will jump too. What about Lawnmower Man? My man Frank is nearly as cool as Des. Who kicked Ben arse, was it Des or Fionnula?
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What if Ben got beat up somehow while helping Kate do something with Aaron?
What if he got beat up while getting Sayid taken into custody by that woman who brought Sayid on the plane as a way to get him to come?
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they've been written out of the show :-
Aaron and Sun's baby because kids that age are too difficult to include in the action and the producers don't want to deal with them on the set (disappointing)
Walt was special and had certain traits that interested the Others in season 1 - There is no logical reason I can think of for Walt not to return, unless the actor himself didn't to -
with Penny, Des or their kid. Ben called from a telephone near some boats (unless Des flew to L.A.) but Charles Widmore told Des where to find Eloise, so surely he sent some muscle to protect them - but if Widmore knows about Eloise....???
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Imagine a LOST Clue game! Make it so Parker Brothers!
Ok...I getcha, Blimpster...I didn't think too much about the 'other' passengers when Mrs. Exposition was laying it all out in the Lamp Post. They didn't occur to me til the guy wished Jack his condolences. I guess Hurley buying up all the surplus 316 seats was a way to rectify that oversite. But still, I can understand Ben's "Who cares?" line, as he's a selfish evil bastard. But...Kate? Sun? Both mothers? (Well, surrogate mom in one case)...Jack...a DOCTOR? Sayid didn't have much of a choice...and may not even know he's part of the 'plan'. But that was odd upon second viewing. It got glossed over, probably for a reason in the Lamp Post, as she was already balls deep in exposition as it was. More on this later...
I guess the question is WHY did they have to recreate the same exact circumstances to correspond with the 815 flight?
My guess is...815 was brought down by Desmond's failure to push the button. Had he pushed the button, they would have flown straight over the 'invisible' island no problem. The electromagnetic release changed their destinies the moment they made contact with the island.
However, the 316 flight was different. There was only a 'strong probability' that 316 was going to fly through the correct 'window' to let the 0-6 return to the island. In this case, I don't think 316 was ever going to crash. Rather, if the 0-6 (& Ben) could 'approximate' the 815 scenario, the island would 'chose' them again...there by 'plucking them' off that plane in mid flight due to an island time shift. (Which explains how Jin is now wearing a Dharma work man jump suit. There have probably been several time jumps since we last saw our island buddies at the well). So...what I'm guessing is, 316 did not undergo the same shockwave of destruction that 815 underwent...They were merely caught in the time shift...and the plane continued on flying past...with the other passengers (not in proxy mode) now in the safe hands of the co-pilot (C'mon...ya don't think Lapidus didn't get 'time snatched', too, do ya?).
So...316 hits some bad turbulence...there's a white flash...The pilot and 10 others go missing from the flight when it lands safely in Guam.
1. Jack - Proxy for Locke (Man of 'growing' Faith?)
2. Kate - Proxy for Claire (Preggers?)
3. Sayid - Proxy for Kate (Fugitive)
4. Marshall Hotty - Proxy for the original US Marshall
5. Locke - Proxy for Christian
6. Ben - Proxy for Bernard (Switched seats!)
7. Hurley - Proxy for Charlie ("You all everybody!")
8. Stewardess - Proxy for Cindy
9. Girl at Bar - Proxy for Ana Lucia
10. Sun - Proxy for Libby? Shannon?
11. Capt. Lapidus - Proxy for 815's pilot
Perhaps in Jack's Big Dharma Binder (that he never read!), it stated that in order to return to the island, you must approximate the same circumstances as your first appearance to be 'accepted'...and only IF you arrive in the exact moment of opportunity, that the Lamp Post pendulum provided.
Thus...the 'glossing over' in the Lamp Post. Had Eloise revealed there would be no crash, killing innocent 'uninvolved' people on the plane...I think much of the suspense of what REALLY happened when the plane went white would have been lost. Darlton wants you to THINK 316 crashed, when in reality...it just took who it wanted, and the plane continued on.
I'm sure Eloise will have much more exposition to lay on us regarding this soon that may clear these loose ends up...as...I'm certain a familiar Scotsman will be returning to the Lamp Post looking for his free ride back to the island...once he finds out his beloved family is missing...or dead.
So, Col. Blimp...I think 'relevent questions' from the 0-6 involving themselves in the negligent manslaughter of their fellow unsuspecting 316 passengers got glossed over for a reason.
Not saying it's the BEST writing...but I can see why they had to have the character's stay mum, to avoid spoiling the surprise of what really happened to 316. That's my guess.
I'm calling Parker Bros. right now!
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I posted this last week, but no response - anybody know if that was the actor that plays Walt in a recent ad for Tyson chicken appetizers - or tinytizers, or something similar? I'm too lazy to search, just wondering if anyone else noticed.
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Hurley bought 78 seats - were those coach or first class? How many people were on there besides Jack, Hurley, Sun, Kate, Sayid, Marshall chick, new arabic guy, Ben, Lapidus, Locke's body, and the stewardess?
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Sayid didn't know about the flight, Hurley tried to save as many as he could - good guys
Sun already showed she is willing to kill (or come close anyway)
Jack and Kate - well to honest they're just selfish assholes - have been through the whole series really - note Jack's non reaction to Ben's "who cares?"
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He probably bought 65 empty seat plane tickets at $900 a pop for no reason! And blocked the poor saps waiting on stand by!
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OMG...Go back to last week's LOST TB...the one for TPID...Me & Pa had some funny exchanges about MDK's Tyson Chicken ads.
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I didn't need Eloise explaining them why, I just felt I needed the O6 asking the question. And then Eloise could either brush them off with something cryptic, or you could cut away and we get the impression she has told them something really convincing. The show has done that a lot of times earlier, so why not now? Sorry eccles, I don't buy that. There's a difference between pointing a gun at Ben and accepting that hundreds of innocent people are going to die. Nice proxy-list CB, but I thought the O6 were more or less proxies for themselves? Why do they have to represent other people? I can see how for instance a dead man in a coffin is a proxy for another dead man in a coffin, because that is something very unique - but Ben switching seats just because Bernie did? By that reasoning any one of the passengers could be a proxy, just by coincidence. If a passenger on 316 sneezed at the same time Frogurt did on 815, does that make him a proxy?
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Kinda harsh on 'ol Jack n Kate there! How does a guy who has to 'fix' things come off as selfish? And poor Kate just made a horrible choice with regard to Aaron...and I don't think SHE cares whether SHE even lives or dies...let alone the other schmoes.
Jack's non-reaction? What was he gonna do? Have Lapidus turn the plane around? At that point...the train had left the station.
Plus...none of them knew exactly what the hell was going to happen TO the flight...sure...worst case scenario is it crashes...but the plan only had a 'strong probability' of working anyways. Maybe NOTHING would happen. They just didn't know...but I would hardly call all them risking their OWN lives to save the ones they care about on the island's lives...selfish.
Just sayin.
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Mrs. Exposition did! You think it coincidence Hurley brought a guitar?...as Charlie did on 815? That the guy who was SUPPOSE to be flyin 815 is now on 316? It wasn't like Ben KNEW he had to switch seats...he just did...the same way Bernard did...it wasn't planned.
Coincidence Sayid is handcuffed to a Federal Marshall?
It's not just getting the same PEOPLE sitting on that plane...it was also recreating the same circumstances.
Thus...that why Locke had to DIE! To fill Christian's circumstance.
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Blimp... regarding the notion of subjective time being in play on "Lost," I've also posted that I can see this being a factor. I think it's the real source behind Alpert's implied "agelessness," as well. Brody... good call on the Ben/Bernard proxy thing, a few days back. In addition to that, I *still* think that Ben doublecrossed the O-6 somewhere in this process. Speaking of Ben, his latest "so what?" is consistent with his prior sociopathic ways. He made a similar statement--- regarding his disregard for innocents--- to Locke after he beat Keamy down and, lest we forget, he didn't have much of a reaction after being complicit in the mass homocide of people involved with the Dharma Initiative. Never mind what he did to Locke, the two middle-Eastern men in the desert and Godwin. The Ben character seems to be modeled after Hannibal Lecter, in a number of ways. When one is dealing with a maladjusted type who may have lacked a healthy attachment in childhood, they may make certain statements that simply aren't worth reacting to.
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That was DeeJay...who found it suspicious Ben swapped seats rite before the crash...and that connected the Bernard dots for me.
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walt and charlotte are getting around lately. charlotte grew out her armpit hair and she is on a bike promoting boost mobile.
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I should say. Not the 'crash'. I don't think we'll ever see another fuselage on Craphole Island.
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Brody... I noticed that Ben was acting suspicious, but you caught the proxy connection. Lucid... that was "Charlotte" in that commercial, huh? That commercial was, how do they say... "gross."
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But me thinks Lucid is making a joke about Miss Mader's appearance as a folicly enhanced airpit hair bicycle enthusist.
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Just checked the Boost Mobile spot out again on youtube. That commercial is awful/hilarious, but it's not Charlotte. And I checked last week's Lost TB to read the MDK comments about his Tyson Chicken ad - thanks pa.
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Just kidding. I'm not a big horror / zombie fan myself. Blood, guts, and killing on the screen is not my thing. Refresh my memory - didn't you make a film that screened for him, or something like that?
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no, i didnt make a film for the festival, but there was a contest and romero picked the winner out of five contestants. yes that IS charlotte in the boost mobile commercial. i am almost sure of it.
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I understand the complaint, but I don't think it necessarily applies. We're talking about people who've witnessed an entire island disappear. People who've seen polar bears in a jungle. A tower of semi-sentient smoke stalking and killing people. I could go on. My point is twofold: they've seen a lot, so more weirdness wouldn't necessarily faze them. And it's been well established that they don't ask a lot of questions. Is it a matter of people just getting tired of this now, in the show's 5th season? Seems a little late in the game to be bothered by something well-established.
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NOT Rebecca Mader on thyat boost fuckin mobile ad...go fuck yerself!
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but I'm having bit of a harder time with the other "proxies". Rewatched some of the ep now, and Eloise never says anything about the O-6ers being proxies. She says they need to recreate the conditions of the original flight by bringing "as many of the same people as you are able to bring with you". I do not get the impression that she means that Sayid is a stand in for Kate, Kate is a stand in for Claire and so on. She says that John is going to be a proxy for Christian. So I can buy Locke having to have something of Christian's on him. I have a harder time swallowing Ben switching seats or Sun doing whatever Libby was doing being integral to the success of the "mission". While I think nothing that happened on 316 is necessarily coincidence, I still think maybe you're reading a bit too much in some of what happened.We really don't have any evidence whether Kate is pregnant or not (Is it even possible? How long does stuff like that take?). It's a good theory, and I'm buying it, but did she get herself knocked up just to "recreate the conditions" or is there another reason we don't know yet? Hurley is an emotional and superstitious guy, and whoever convinced him to go evidently really got to him. I'm thinking maybe he took the "recreate the conditions" a bit to seriously. Hence the comic and the guitar, which I really can't see would have anything to do with it. It's not like it's the same guitar, or the guitar belonged to Charlie, is it? (or maybe it did...)Lapidus being on the flight is of course not a coincidence. It smells more like course correction. Sayid in chains...I'm not really buying that having too much to do with it either. It's more like some greater force (or Ben, of course) pulled out all the stops to get him on the flight, and ironically that meant him echoing Kate's situation. I'm thinking it more of a poetic symmetry/recurring motif than the cuffs being a proxy. IMO. So if Ben didn't INTENTIONALLY switch seats it was either a) a really convenient coincidence, or b) fate, or c) a higher power/the island "forcing" him to do it, thereby recreating the conditions...If it is c) that would mean the island wants Ben back, right? Isn't that sort of contradicting what has been going on earlier? I got the impression Ben was trying to freeload onto the O6's return, not that he was an integral piece to getting it all to work. It's not like he was on the 815 originally.(And I suppose we don't even know if he made it to the island, but I'm guessing he did.) Anyways, my guess is there are A LOT of unknowns here regarding the O6's return, and I get the distinct feeling upon rewatching the episode that Ellie and Ben are manipulating/conning the O6. Maybe the proxy/recreation thing is just mumbo jumbo? ('cause that's what it sounds like to me) Time will tell, I suppose. And I will probably be proven completely wrong. BTW, this ep was much better on a second viewing, and I hope you understand that the things I'm addressing here aren't problems I have with the show, but rather things that puzzled me.
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... your post brings back the "Lost" theme of duality. While the O-6 were acting as proxies, they also was a second explanation for each of their actions. Ben most likely was up to something when he switched seats. This probably has something to do with the "rules"--- which he only references when they're convenient for him. Your reference E. Hawking brings up a number of issues. How, exactly, did she and her group learn so much about the Dharma Initiative (DI)? Also; if the DI had research stations off-island, for how long did that project *really* run? Also; if one station was in LA (the destination for flight 815), is it possible that another station is in Australia (perhaps at or near the facility where Hurley and Libby spent time)?
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Feb 22, 2009 10:10:08 AM CST
Yeah, I just feel sorry for Charlotte. She's the most
by coughlins laws
useless character yet. They didn't give her anything of note to do. It's even worse for Miles. They bring him on, give him the powers of a medium, and in a season and a half, all they've had him do is try to bribe Ben and find a dead bore. What a waste of a character that has special powers that could have profound impact on the island. At least he's not as useless as Shannon or Libby were...
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I agree with Colonel_Blimp. I think you guys are reaching a little to much. I mean Jack changed seats also. I mean if were going to play the lital game that would mean that Aaron would have have to have been on the plane also and we saw that to not be true. The same thing with Ji Yeon since he left the island in Sun tummy.
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Actually he found Danielle & Alex's bodies, in a deleted scene a ghost told him that the Others scurity fence was off. Plus there was other things that he has done. But don't worry, I read that he has some big things coming up.
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Ya know I was just jokin last nite. Right? About fornicating yerself? Man...I was super hammered! And I apparently ate BK on my keyboard...while I was typing that! I woke up to find a pickle slice resting on my F6-F8 keys! Ridiculous.
I getcha, Blimp. Eloise DID mention the word "proxy"...when Jack got to stay after 'class' with her alone in her office. She told Jack that they needed to, as best they could, recreate the same 'conditions' as they could from the 815 flight. She mentions Locke was a proxy for someone...Jack asked 'who?'...and she said..."Jack...who do you think?".
Now...while getting his Dad's shoes on dead Locke's feet was overt and an obvious 'proxy'...there were other, more random ones that happened on their own.
Kate being preggers for one. Remember, this is all speculation. But I think there was a reason her & Jack did the horizontal mambo right before the flight...It wasn't planned...but Jack shot one past the goalie and knocked her up! Thus...unwittingly recreating a 'condition' of Flight 815...providing the pregnant lady proxy. You mentioned Aaron...Jack's seed gestating in Kate's egg recreates Aaron's proxy. No...Kate wasn't 'showing' like Claire...but that doesn't mean she's not knocked up.
Ok...Sayid...Many have speculated...and I agree...that the entire reason Ben was having him kill people (economists, etc)...was Ben knew he would have a tough time getting Sayid to WANT to go back to the island willingly. So, he circumvented Sayid's free will, by having him kill someone...whose prosecution would require Sayid to travel to Guam. Then...Ben had his little lawyer buddy set up Sayid's arrest, probably right after Sayid left the pier 23 parking lot. He tipped off the feds as to where they could pick him up. Sayid gets busted...and Marshall Hotty is taking him back to Guam to stand trial in the murder of a certain...economist. Ben set Sayid up for murder....AND recreated the 'fugitive/marshall' proxy in one fell swoop. Genius.
No...thast probably NOT Charlie's guitar...Hurley didn't take Chawlee's guitar off the island. (Altho, it's possible Hugo BOUGHT one of Charlie's old guitars off Ebay, as a keepsake memento of his old friend). I'm sure Hurley will be told to take a guitar with him on his trip back to the island...that 'he will need it'...and he DID! Had he not brought it...he would have drowned at the waterfall.
It's possible there are more proxies than the 11 I mentioned...perhaps the arabic guy we saw wishing Jack condolences could have been Sayid's proxy...But...I'm not sure Darlton NEEDS to add a bunch more characters into LOST at this point. Then again...they will need more red shirts for season 6!
So...I guess what I'm saying is...Eloise mentioned recreating 'the same conditions'...some fell into place on their own...and some were more overt.
That's what will be fun to watch as the fill in those gaps via flash forwards...and we see exactly how Sayid got busted...What Kate did (ate) with Aaron...What/who convinced Hurley he needed that guitar...How Ben got a broken arm and a Frosty dumped over his head.
And what happens to Penny...that makes Desmond return to the island.
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I'm still thinking it is more a case of the writers mirroring the 815 than all the proxies being premeditated, either by the O6 or the island. I'm even thinking TPTB put all that in there to fuel fan speculation. It worked, right? BTW, Lostpedia mentions Sun cradling Jin's wedding ring as a proxy for Rose keeping Bernard's. I suppose what I would really like to hear, are some theories on WHY they had to recreate the conditions? Because it still seems so arbitrary to me, and I don't want anything on this show to feel arbitrary!!!!! NEW THEORY: Maybe Aaron is a proxy for himself seeing he is in Kate's tummy. After all, how long does it take to digest a turnip? At least 24 hours, right?
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I'm not sure whether or not I'm ecstatic or pissed that my creative genius is being marketed and I'm not seeing a penny of it.
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In that 'stay after class' scene...I think Darlton goofed.
In the season 3 finale...they only took one close up shot of the obituary Jack was clutching in his hand. You saw the first 2 letters of "Jeremy" and only the -tham part of "Bentham"...but you could make out a few of the details of the obit.
Then the thing got TRANSLATED by a prop guy who worked on that episode...here is the full text:
"The body of Jeremy Bentham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft. Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. according to Jamie Ortiz, a police spokesperson, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Bentham is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
Now...in the 'stay after class' scene from "316"...When Eloise hands Jack the Locke suicide note...Jack says..."Oh...I didn't know". And Eloise responds "How could you? Obituaries rarely see fit to mention when people hang themselves"
Um...Hello? The obit spelled it out in graphic detail!
I remember after that finale aired...there was a big arguement over at The Fuselage, where I hung out til I met you guys...about that obit. I noted that it was actually more of a NEWS item...rather than an obit. Obits DON'T normally contain a 'police spokesman's' comment...or that 'doormen heard strange noises'...that's a NEWS item. But it went on to mention where the services would be held...and that he was survived by a teenage son...which is more of an OBIT detail.
As I wrote over at The 'Lage, I think it was just lazy writing on the writer's part...trying to COMBINE the 'news items' and the 'obit items' into one tiny bit of paper that was never suppose to even be able to be read clearly. (Thanks HD TV!)...And Eloise is right...unless the person is FAMOUS...you NEVER read about a suicide in a newspaper. Maybe a small town newspaper...but not an LA newspaper. Cuz...It's NOT news...there is no 'victim'...It's only news if Kurt Cobain does it...or the Mayor of LA does it.
By combining the two details...the writers were trying to cause you to believe that Bentham's death may have been a possible homocide...but finally ruled a suicide.
Anyways...Are Darlton THROWING OUT the details enclosed in the obit we weren't suppose to read? Was it an oversite on their part? Was Jack lying when he said he didn't know? Did Eloise not read the obit when she said they don't report on hangings? What the fuck gives?
Is the obit canon or what?
Here's the close up of it from the S3 finale. You tell me.
http://tinyurl.com/dacv7j
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"What Kate did (ate) with Aaron"
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I'd say the conversation between Eloise and Jack is canon, and the obit is not. It was probably never intended that anyone would be able to read that. Guess they underestimated the obsessiveness of their fans. So, IMO, the goof is the original obit being readable, and when it came to this episode, they decided they didn't care.
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Darlton's done it before!
When Desmond first looked at the picture of Penny and himself in S2...they hadn't casted Sonya Walger yet...It was a completely different actress...wearing a different OUTFIT than what Sonya was wearing when we see the pic again 1. being taken...and 2. when Naomi showed it after she parachuted onto the island.
Altho...it may seem Darlton didn't care about the actress flip-flop...they DID go back and correct the scene where Des looks at the pic on the Season 2 DVD. The pic now has Sonya Walger in it.
Perhaps they will go back and make the obit less legible in the S3 finale? Lol!!
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Where originally you decried my "crazy" ideas, you have slowly but surely come to believe me after I died.
All of these posts since then have just been on a time delay and are posting on their own. -
But...I think I still need to touch the 'wounds' to be sure.
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That scene regarding Thomas the Apostle goes down as one of my favorite scenes in LOST to date. It isn't so much the religiousness of it (frankly, I could care less), but Michael Emerson's delivery and Michael Giacchino's score make it rather moving. There is no doubt in my mind that Ben is going to the island only to be murdered.
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Fantastic scene. I'm not a religious person at all...only go to church for weddings and funerals. And whenever rb starts in with his "Gods" or "religious" theories as to where LOST is heading...I always cringe...cuz...I don't wanna see LOST hang its hat on something as arbitrary as one form of 'religious' beliefs.
I'd rather see it go more sci-fi than religious. And...everyone here knows I don't want it going sci-fi too much either!
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...compares with the evil of not giving Michael Emerson an Emmy.
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Thanks 4we8have15to16go23back42--
This show dominates my week man. I have really been digging the new season, and after having the third watchback before the start you would think I would be less confused. Every season there is an episode that at the time seems kind of a cheap shot from the writers and kind of out of place. I feel like "316" was that episode this season. All tension and no release. It was the first time I ever ever felt like Ben was not in control. Then again this is not the first time we have seen him bloodied up so It's no surprise, just seemed to be a bit of a red herring. It's kind of crazy the pace this episode took, and I heard someplace that the writers switched the order of "316" and "life of Jeremy Bentham" to add to the confusion factor. The on island affairs are obviously more revealing and exciting and it's good to bring it all back to where the story is. It was just really hard to throw theories around last week when they gave us nothing. Not disappointed just eager to get this show on the road. So much fun trying to figure this stuff out. -
Where's edshrinker at - I want to give him heck for his Badgers blowing it today! Go Spartans!
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sorry pa, i know this is not lost related but i cant help it. i went to the george romero film festival this afternoon in uptown charlotte. i saw a screening of the crazies. it is not my favorite romero film to say the least but it was kind of cool to see it on the big screen with other romero freaks. george romero was scheduled to be in attendance but just my luck he had to leave unexpectedly earlier in the day. if i could have gotten tickets to an earlier movie, i would have been able to ask george romero a question in person and view one of his films with him in attendance. one of georges editors that has been with him for his last few films was there and he was cool enough to answer questions from the audience. i asked him about tom savigni and he also showed us about 5 minutes of footage of romeros latest dead film. the editor told us that we were the first to see this footage. needless to say i was really happy about the whole experience because romero is one of my top five favorite directors. ok, back to lost and yes, that is charlotte in the boost mobile commercial. times are tight for her and she needs all the work she can get.
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i am glad they actually let him win this one. he was by far the best joker.
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wednesday cant get here fast enough.
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Yeah I was happy about that also. He did so great.
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Lost has always had many themes or influences. Religion with the conversations in season 1 between Rose & Charlie, Healings, Charlie & Eko's back ground, Locke faithful devotion to the island, Ben talking about marters and now resurection.
Sci-Fi with time travel, Daniel Faraday, a Black Smoke monster and a sickness along with whispers and other things.
Romance with the Quadrangle, Des & Penny, Rose & Bernard, Hurley & Libby, Sayid & Shannon, Daniel & Charlotte, etc.
Action with gun fights, fist fights, knife fights, Ben beating people, chases and other things.
Supernatural with Jacob & Christian, Miles taking to ghosts, the whisperings, Claire's psycic.
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You forgot to include the mythology aspect of the show (mythology moreso than SciFi): the Hatch, Dharma Initiative, 4-toed Statue, Smokie, the Temple, the Black Rock, etc.
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Feb 23, 2009 12:55:21 AM CST
I don't care if they answer any more questions...
by themarinebiologist
...I only care if they finally call the smoke monster the Cerberus Vents and thus vindicate every single pathetic detail oriented fanatic of this show.
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My bad, Spaceships, not Aliens. But what I was trying to say was...
Isn't it odd that the he said 'No Spaceships' right after he said 'Nothing is Impossible'... as in, Nothing is impossible, no(t) spaceships, no(t) timetravel... as in, even they're not impossible.
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Pa... you're right in that "Lost" hasn't just 2 had two ingredients in its recipe (SciFi and religion). It's consistently had around 7 "herbs and spices" (the 5 you mentioned, along with concepts such as man's fears and the dichotomy of life & death). BigE... the Spartans are a team hoops fans just have to love. While Jack Shepherd and Jack Bauer are just characters--- Tom Izzo is for real.
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The one word you used that I really liked was 'supernatural'...I think THAT word sums up how I like my LOST...Not Super Sci-Fi...Just on the outside edge of 'possible'...and then back to reality.
What is MOST important to me is...stay true to the goddamn characters. If they can keep this thing rollin with the mythology payoffs and still keep the characters we have grown to love at the top of the priority list...this show will end up a masterpiece.
I was thinkin last night...now that Mr. Reyes is back on the island...apparently in the 70's...How wants to bet that 'ol Hugo makes friends with a local island bird...and he teaches that bird how to say...
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Damn no edit button function...crappy early 90's talkback technology!
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Ed is being treated for cancer so he doesn't post very often. But I saw the win and it was a great game. I'm worried about how shitty they played in the first half though. I chalk it up to nerves playing in front of the 79 pimps. Suton really responded after Izzo ripped him a new one.
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Chief, you made a comment above that got me thinking, what would Kate eat with Aaron? What side dishes would go best with a turniphead entrée? What wine pairs with that? Maybe a pinot. And how would Aaron be prepared? Sauteed, poached, grilled? I’d say a nice garlic/butter/white wi
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...with some fava beans and a nice chianti...slurp slurp slurp slurp!
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Chief, you made a comment above that got me thinking, what would Kate eat with Aaron? What side dishes would go best with a turniphead entrée? What wine pairs with that? Maybe a pinot. And how would Aaron be prepared? Sauteed, poached, grilled? I’d say a nice garlic/butter/white wine sauce. For side dishes, maybe a mushroom risotto, and I’m thinking asparagus for some reason. Mmm, I’m hungry now.
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good call. she is a cold ass sociopath just like lecter.
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love the hurley bird theory. i really want that to pay off somehow, and that's a nice way to do it
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Darlton is always saying that they go to great lengths to balence character development & answering the mythology.
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I wanted to comment on an aspect of this whole proxy flight of Ajira 316 with the members of the flight mirroring those from 815. did anyone else think the indian flight attendant chick looked a hell of a lot like Cindy? I mean it was damn spooky to me. Hell I thought it actually was her for a second.
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...my question about the contents of the Jeremy Bentham obit notice...Is it show canon...or are they pretending it never got leaked?
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TMZ caught up with Harrold Perrineau walking to his car...Sounds like he's lost touch with the island for good. Check it here:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/23/lost-star-giving-up-on-the-island/
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Didn't Darlton already come out and say the obit was never meant to be read?
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I think we are seeing this story being told from the middle of any book.
When the 815 crashed, it was actually right in the middle of the story of the island. In future episodes, we see the past being explained, and later on, some of the future revealed.
Through the Island"s shifting in time, we are seeing the key parts of the book being set up. Possibly, thru Jacob's insight, Ben and Whidmore know they are in the middle of a story that cannot be changed.
For instance, say Locke saves Ben's life at some point. Ben know's he cannot kill Locke before that point happens in time.It would change the rules. It would change a story in a book already written.
Somehow Ben/Richard are aware of the entire timeline and know certain events must unravel naturally, or that they have a specific hand in things.
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I think we are seeing this story being told from the middle of any book.
When the 815 crashed, it was actually right in the middle of the story of the island. In future episodes, we see the past being explained, and later on, some of the future revealed.
Through the Island"s shifting in time, we are seeing the key parts of the book being set up. Possibly, thru Jacob's insight, Ben and Whidmore know they are in the middle of a story that cannot be changed.
For instance, say Locke saves Ben's life at some point. Ben know's he cannot kill Locke before that point happens in time.It would change the rules. It would change a story in a book already written.
Somehow Ben/Richard are aware of the entire timeline and know certain events must unravel naturally, or that they have a specific hand in things.
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I hadn't heard if they ever acknowledge the obit contents or not. But, I'd still like a clarification! They could have just as easily have had Jack "know" about the 'hanging' when Eloise hands him the envelope.
Instead of "Oh...I didn't know"...He could have said... "Why did he address it to me?"...and left it at that.
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Do we know, for a fact, that the conversation/confrontation Linus had with Whidmore took place before the O-6 reunion (along with the Ajiri flight, etc.)? While this has been strongly implied, has it ever been overtly substantiated? I ask because, on the off-chance that it hasn't yet occurred in relation to O-6 chronology, it would raise a number of questions about some things we've already seen...
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Darlton did say in a podcast that the obit was made up by one of the prop people and was not ment to be seen and was not cannon.
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Cool Whhip.
Yer saying it weird. Why are you saying it like that?
Like what? Cool Whhip.
Like that. Why are you putting so much emphasis on the "h"? Say it again.
Cool Whhip.
Cool Whip.
Cool Whhip.
Say Whip
Whip
Now say Cool Whip
Cool Whhip.
Yer eating HAIR!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/11473/family-guy-cool-whip
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Wouldn't it be interesting if after the castaways beat Widmore and ether stay on or leave the island the camera pans out out of a book with Ben reading to Aaron in his bed. Then it pans backwards out a window to a normal suberbia like the whole series was Ben reading to Aaron a Ben time story kind of like "A Princess Bride"?
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I will feel pretty jipped if it ends like that. I would like to see them tie it up in a way that no other stories have ever done. I Would like to see that somehow all the losties ended up screwing with the island in so many periods of history that all the mysteries that once haunted them we're actually all their fault. Like they were the cause in some way of the islands powers, the natives, the others, Dharma, all caused by the crash.
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Well, was the 'stay after class' scene a deliberate 'shout out' to us fans...reconfirming it officially that obit is not canon? Sure seemed that way.
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I don't like EITHER of those scenarios! Lol!!
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Lets see you come up with something better.
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good way to point out the extra h in the earlier post. bravo.
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Check this out. The rough drafts of Locke's note. Drawing of Juliet made me laugh.
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it seems to me that darlton is a misleading reference. i dont put a lot of credence into what they say about the absolutes of the islands mysteries and i am much happier because of it. i seem to recall an interview some time ago where they said that aliens are not going be a part of the show but it wouldnt shock me if aliens end up being part of the mix. im not saying its going to happen but it certainly wouldnt shock me.
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Every week after the episode I feel like I could take a different path with the ending if I were a writer. Let's all agree we don't want to feel aimless in the end like the X-files. All this puzzle solving should have deep meaning and emotion at the end. A reward for our endless theorizing.
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Thanks for the link, Yarel.
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I've always believed that obit is NOT CANON. I'm sure Darlton came out and said that after the Season 3 finale aired. Liked the Bed Time Story ending, pa, but I'll feel cheated if that happens. Or Jack wakes up and it was all a dream...
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Both Hobo and I are alumni of MSU - did you go there, or just a fan? And Hobo, I knew ed was getting cancer treatment - just hoped we'd see him post here from time to time. Anyone know how he's doing?
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I'm ok with sci-fi, time travel, fate, ghosts, and religion in LOST. Just leave the aliens and UFO's out of it! I always thought that Juliet's line about building a runway for the aliens was a nod to us fans.
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...or was it a CLUE! Lol!!
ET phone the island! ET phone the island!!
The obit is OBVIOUSLY not canon, considering Jack & Eloise's exchange. But...considering it's contents...and what eventually happens...why bother mentioning it at all? They could have played that scene WITHOUT Jack's "I didn't know" line so easily.
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...it was BEN who wrote that suicide note...Not Locke?
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was for the Ajira plane. it makes sense.
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What if the island isn't an alien spacecraft but an alien itself? The island is a living, thinking organism.
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which would confirm my theory that the Others knew about the second arrival of the losties if that were the case, it's all about the characters and their affect on the island.
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How does that make sense?
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Obviously we've always got a sense that certain people know things and are not sharing them, especially the others via season 3. When the mention of the landing strip was given we pretty much all went...huh? Now that we have seen the characters interacting in the islands past does it not seem viable now that the 815 passengers have an affect on the islands history? Daniel told Ellie to put the Jugghead underground, we are to assume this task was met. I even heard some crazy talk of Sawyer being the inspiration for the four toed statue. If the others were aware that a landing strip needed to be created, it would make sense that they may have anticipated the future return of the o6-or the o-proxies, whichever. Just throwing it out there, maybe the characters have all been fated to shape the island we know today- although It kind of would not make sense in the fact that certain characters did not remember meeting other characters in the past, until both characters shared the experience Des/Fara, Gin/Daniel, so why would the others prepare for a landing they know is going to happen if it had not happened yet...shheesh
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They returned to the island in Dharma days, the runway wasn't even finished in present times. And I never needed a further explanation for the runway. I assumed they were builing it to land their own planes on the island in order to make transportation easier.
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That makes sense. I think they could have used a better mode than the dingy thingy and the sub. They are currently in the Dharma days, they've hopped around a bit through time. I'm not ruling out where they end up now, past or present. Interesting, they never finished the runway? Never thought of that either.
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Charles Widmore plays a small part as Indy's lawyer. Wouldn't it be cool if the Jughead ignited and the castaways were at the Dharmaville and then they hopefully had all watched Indy 4 while off island. Then they would all know that in case of a nuclear explosion hide in a refrigerator. So they all run for one and are saved!!!! Well except for Hurley who couldn't fit in one. It would Awsome!!!!!! Then Shea Labuef rides up on his motorcycle and shows them how to use the all spark to contact the alien robots and help them return to Cybertron! That would be awsome!!!!!! While they are doing that Smokey turns into a giant robot and tries to kill them all!!!!!!!!!
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I just wouldn't declare it "makes sense" yet. But if I had to work with a theory I didn't agree with, i would say that that the returning Oceanic 6 were plucked off the plane by the time-shifting light. It transported them to the dharma days with the rest of the survivors. But the plane remained in the present where it Lost control because it didn't fly over the island at the right degree. So it starts going down, thankfully there is a partialy built runway that the Others made in preparation for this.
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Jon Locke turns the FDW, there is a flash of light and strange sound. As it dims up we see a castle with a draw bridge shaped like a skull. There is a ripped blonde man riding a giant cat with a ballsy sword on his back.
Locke says "Who are you?"
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Jimmy Kimmel uses Michael Emerson & Daniel Dae Kim to explain the mysteries of Lost. Very funny.
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The plane lands in the future sometime after the 815 camp was built as evidenced by the Ajira water bottle in the canoe when the Losties flashed to that time. Only Kate, Jack, and Hurley and possibly Ben went back to Dharma days. My theory anyway.
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"You funny Dr. Jones"
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But why would the plane go into the future and not just the present?
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It doesn't not make sense.
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Because 3 years passed on the island. We haven't seen the island in the "present", 3 years after the Oceanic 6 left. In that 3 years, the runway could have been finished, etc....
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The O6 have been off the island for three years.
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...to sit through 4 insufferable (pre-end date) episodes of Sawyer & Kate breaking up and hauling rocks all over the place!!
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Maybe the water bottle was a decoy to make us wonder. I think it's Sun, Frank, Sayid, the fed, and the other guy. Maybe the fed shot at them, little PTS going on know what I'm saying...if she's Ana Lucia's proxie, she should be a little loopy.
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But we haven't seen what has transpired on the island during that three years. The Sawyer group just flashed around time for a few days, then got stuck in Dharma days for 3 years.
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Or maybe Sawyer finds a hidden shop of all sorts of hidden artifacts and this old chiense guy who sells him this creature, but tells him to not feed it after midnight, to not take it out during bright light and to not get water on it.
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Even if the Ajira plane didn't land on the runway - I am convinced it landed in the "present". It makes sense from a storytelling perspective because you have to get Frank on the island and if he just disappeared mid-flight then it would crash in the ocean - and that just wouldn't be right
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Which explains why they appear to be well integrated into Dharma society. Jin appeared to have a sheriff/marshall Dharma logo on which would suggest they have been there a while.
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Maybe he knew the plane would land in the present (or crash in the present) and everyone would survive. Or maybe he knew that if the plane was going down on the island, then the island would keep those alive who are meant to live in the same way that some people survived the crash of 815
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Flashback of Charles Whidmore and a Christmas Party his company has in LA that was over run with terrorists, but deflected by andalcoholic NY cop. Wow we should write for these guys.
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Could be either. I still can't believe those dipshits at TV guide think Sylar is a bwtter villain than Ben.
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Will be in the present, just to add some drama about reuniting Jin from the past with her. So the next obstacle for everyone is how to go "back to the future"
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Those boats were from the Others. They ambushed the survivors of 316 to kidnap some of them (as they are known to do). The survivors mistook Sawyer and his group for the Others and fired upon them.
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Heroes is Awful, I never thought it compared to Lost, but man it does not even compare to Hanna Montana these days. Time to call it a day for those dudes!
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Actually check out the Season 3 Deleted scenes. Theres a scene early in the season which starts with a wide shot of the runway (which is pretty big) then it zooms in and focuses in on Sawyer & The Warden Other (Paul I think it was?) The Other asks Sawyer if he wanted to know what he was building and Sawyer tells him where to go. Then He tells Sawyer that they were building an Alien runway. Its probably still a throw away comment, but then why would Darlton make sure to put it back into the show via Juilet even after cutting the scene. Again Im not trying to argue the Aliens point, but it makes you think. Go check out the deleted scene.
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He was ressurected in the same way John Locke will be. That's why he doesn't age. Just checked out Canadian promo on Room 23 and (spoiler) saw him walking and talking just like his old self and not acting all mysterious like a ghost (/spoiler). If Locke can do it, so can Richard. If I'm right, I can say I called it since we first started speculating on Richard. That means I get 35 Lost Bucks!
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Or maybe they run into Charlotte and she shows them that she is not really dead and then takes them all to work for a Meryl Streep type character to run a Dharma fashion magazine as gophers. But they soon learn the importance of staying true to themselves and quit.
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Feb 23, 2009 10:42:03 PM CST
Kristen from E! interviewing Daniel Dae Kim
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
One warning, theres a massive Fringe spoiler at the begining.
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I guess that I was wrong, Pickett never says Alien, just that they were building a runway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDXGJBnTWtE
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We were never meant to see that scene...so that makes it "not canon"! Lol!!
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Wasn't it just to make the eye candy, sweaty for the audience ?
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Feb 24, 2009 7:16:26 AM CST
Most of that was just to beat the 3 down enough
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
So that Jack would do the operation. Everything that Ben did in season 2 and half of season 3 was done to con Jack into operating on him.
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He saw that the tumor put him out of favor with theisland and the new guy (Locke) had the favor, so he let himself get captured & beat up in an elaborate attempt to get healed again and hopefully back to Jacobs favor. Then When Locke was still the favored one he tried to shoot him and later snuck him way into turning the wheel.
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1. Penny is
a)dead
b)kidnnapped
c)safe and sound, or
d)become a ninja
2. Aaron is
a)eaten by Kate (to go along with the joke)
b)With Claire's mum
c)With a friend
d)With someone not so nice, or
e)Being trained as a Galactic Bounty Hunter.
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i know you didn't ask me, but i'll go with C on both.
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compared to the first one.
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Feb 24, 2009 9:44:39 AM CST
Everything that Ben did in season 2 and half of season 3...
by cheif brody
...was STALL FOR TIME until Darlton could negotiate the ABC "end date" deal.
Linus took over half a season to get that tumor out of his body.
Once the ABC deal was done...Jack became ill...had his appendix removed...and healed up solid in an episode and a half.
SID...Did it 'crash'? Or were the 0-6, Ben & Lapidus just 'plucked' from the plane in a time shift?
Miyamoto...of your two choices...I'm gonna go with B on the first...and D on the second.
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I still think it's a throwaway PB. In all likelihood Darlton knew they had a good joke with the alien runway thing and once that scene got left on the cutting room floor, they decided to work it back into the finale. IMHO.
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Ok...you asked for it...
Jugghead = Hitchcock. There's a bomb in the room. Dormant for years...But it will soon start ticking.
What lights the fuse?
Volcano.
Before it's all over, I think we will see the 0-6 reunite with everyone they left behind on the island. There will be more 'outside threats'. A lot more of the 316'ers and 815'ers will die...including some core Losties. Quadrangles will be ripped apart. Farraday will leave the island to go build the Lamp Post...John Locke will come back to lead the Others with Ben nipping at his heals. Who/what Jacob is will be revealed...Smokie will be revealed and die...There will be a race to get everyone off the island, and back into the present day, before Mount Buzzkill blows her top, thus setting off the nuclear bomb.
But that FDW only has so many prongs for people to hold onto. And one of them will be holding Vincent while they spin it one final time!
There will be some who don't get to go 'back to the future'. The white blinding light of the FDW spinning will coincide with the brilliant mushroom cloud of Jugghead's wrath...as the island is vaporized from existence...forever.
Or so we think...after the screen goes white...then fades to black...and pauses for an eternity in black. We hear the infamous 'whooosh' flashback/ flash forward sound effect...and cut to.
A beautiful island landscape...the camera pulls back to reveal a bride and groom toasting. An young asian bride...and a caucasian male...who's head resembles a turnip.
We find ourselves at Ji Yeon and Aaron's wedding...being held on a beautiful tropical island resort. Everyone who spun the FDW is there...as is Walt & Vincent.
When asked where they planned to take their honeymoon, Aaron jokes and says..."We haven't quite asked our travel agent yet"...and up steps Daniel Farraday in an ill fitting tux. "You two ready to go"? He asks, with a smile.
[The final POOM]
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Miyamoto_Musashi- Penny is E Is currently hiding out somewhere. Aaron is with Cassady since Kate knew her previously and had reaquanted when doing Sawyer's request.
HoboCode - I wasn't argueing the alien thing, just makes you think though. But I was mostly showing that clip because someone wanted to see the size of the runway.
Cheif Brody that final line reminds my of the end of Back to the Future. Im supprised that you of all people would do that! Good ending though. -
Ed just posted two awsome scenes from tomarrows episode. http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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But, God I'm tempted!
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But I am holding off until tomorrow. no spoilers for this guy from hear on out.
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The day before Lost is always the longest.
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Feels like I've been at work 18 hours today. Just wanna close my eyes and let the white flash take me straight to 8:59pm Wednesday.
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well, we had Fringe to tide us over on Tuesdays for a while, but not again for a month or so. Yeah, Tuesdays do drag....... and I'm staying spoiler free too!
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Busted Tees has a few new T-shirts : check out this one! http://tinyurl.com/dnctwf
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Kind of weird having a dude model that t-shirt but to each his own. Did they make the "Kate ate Aaron" shirts yet?
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were free of the idiots that always came out of the woodwork when a new episode is posted. Enjoy it while you can.
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On the busted tee e-mail I got (I'm on their list after getting some X-mas gifts) it was one of their prettier models showing off the shirt. It is a little strange for a guy wearing that. Personally I'd rather have a Drive Shaft T. I can't find any Kate ate Aaron shirts, but you can get a Turniphead shirt at Cafe Press!
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Were only on Ebay. Someone way back up there ^^^^ put it up...Can't remember who. Scroll back about 400 posts!
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...one of my "I Heart Linus" tee shirts?
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http://tinyurl.com/atlzlp
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that thing sure doesn't look long enough to land a commercial jet on to me. the others should have gotten some of those temple of doom kids on it. they were great workers. sawyer's just kinda draggin ass on it, and kate looks like she's gardening more than anything. no work ethic in career criminals, i guess
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Or else the monkeys from madagascar 2.
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Get your very own "I LOVE LINUS" T-Shirt!
http://tinyurl.com/csd7u2
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I have a Drive Shaft shirt! Newbury comics has 'em
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Cool cool cool.
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did anyone ever find the easter egg video that doc mentioned in his article last week? i never saw a link to it. if anyone could provide it, i'd appreciate it
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Feb 25, 2009 1:05:57 AM CST
That Kate ate Aaron picture reminds me of the photo of the Bat B
by 4we8have15to16go23back42
that the National Enquirer or whatever the tabloid was with Bigfoot, etc always would show on its cover.
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i think bat boy was the weekly world news. that was the really crazy one. bat boy creeped me out when i was little funny, the price of those shirts has already dropped 15 bucks. i think i'll wait till they go down to 10 till i pick one up, but i'm totally rocking that shit
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Where are you guys checking out these shirts?
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Are you not copying and pasting the tiny urls above?
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What's the over/under on what time Herc (if he) posts a new LOST TB today?
Closest without going over wins, I dunno, a free "I LOVE LINUS" T-Shirt?
All votes must be Eastern Standard Time. Only one vote per person. Not valid where applicable. Some restrictions apply.
Ok...now that the lawyers are done...
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Would be awesome.
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Mine adds up to 8. Had to go with the numbers...But I think I may have gone too low!
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(=15)
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my mom came up to me excitedly and told me that there was someone on the phone for me. i tried to ask her who it was, but she was kinda cryptic and shit, not wanting to tell me. so i pick up the phone, and it's my grandma, who died a couple of years ago. i was dumbfounded, but then i made the conclusion that she must be on craphole island and gone back in time! it was the most exciting dream i've had in quite a while. that's how lost obsessed i am, i want the island to bring my dead ancestors back to life :)
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