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Updated! The Squid Is In!?!? WATCHMEN DVD/Blu-ray Director's Cut To Run Three Hours, 10 Minutes!
Beaks here...
We've already got three or four WATCHMEN stories on the front page, so I'll just add here that CHUD's Devin Faraci got Zack Snyder to confirm that the Squid is in WATCHMEN? How? If you're unconcerned with spoilers, click over to Devin's story for all the details.
Happy now? Of course not!
Collider.com's Frosty just shot out an email from the WATCHMEN junket informing us that Zack Snyder is preparing two extended cuts for the DVD/Blu-ray release. The theatrical cut - which you'll be seeing in less than three weeks! - clocks in at 156 minutes. The Director's Cut will run 190 minutes. And then there will be a cut splicing in "Tales of the Black Freighter" that will run a whopping 205 minutes. Wow.
This has been expected, but it's the first confirmation we've received since Snyder finished the film.
For more information on what will be included in the Director's Cut, keep dropping in on this story at Collider.com.
Happy now? Of course not!
This has been expected, but it's the first confirmation we've received since Snyder finished the film.
For more information on what will be included in the Director's Cut, keep dropping in on this story at Collider.com.
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deez nutz!
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...news that I can skip the theatrical cut to buy the more in-depth director's cut, rather than double-dipping (or whatever it's called).Glad to hear it.
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HOLY FUCK THIS MOVIE WILL BE GARBAGE I CAN'T BELIEVE PPL WILL LYK SIT THRU 4 HOURS OF IT
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Squid!
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Is this the film about the robots punching each other on their robot faces?
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Why can't more people follow the LOTR example?
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I'll preorder that 205 minute version today if they'll let me.
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I'm hoping that the theatrical will be great. I mean, it runs at 163 minutes, so it might not feel like alot of things have been left out. BUT this is the cut that I have been wanting to see, since it could really capture the greatness of the GN. And the reason that this got greenlite, is because the film is already sold out with it's IMAX screenings. :)
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If you miss seeing this in IMAX, even though it costs $3-5 more than a normal movie, you are cheating yourself my friend. I have a state-of-the-art home theater as well, and cannot wait for the 205 minute version, but I'll be damned if its the same as seeing it in IMAX. And if it has any scenes that were shot using actual IMAX camera (dark knight had like 20minutes of scense shot like that), then you are REALLY missing out. of course, if you don't have an IMAX near you, disregard me entirely lol.
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Comic book movies should never run two and a half hours ... much less three hours and 10 minutes! Prediction: BIG opening weekend, 50-60 percent plunge on the second weekend, final box office take under $100 million. This is the "Hellboy" of superhero flicks. Geeshed on by the geeks, met with sighs by the rest of humanity.
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This means that I can skip the theater & go straight to the BluRay once out. I'm sure this is what they intended when releasing this info :D
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The Blu-ray damn well better have the squid ending available via seamless branching!
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When will they be released?
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No purchase of the standalone "Tales of the Black Freighter" for me. This is a good thing, and what I've been waiting to hear.
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If there is no squid, what does the Black Freighter have to do with the rest of the movie?
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"The Dark Knight" was 155 minutes long, and it became the second highest grossing film of all time. The only thing that "Watchmen" has going against it, is that it's rated R, and it might be a bit too weird and unconventional for a mainstream audience. I mean my god, this film has a big blue penis, one of the heroes is a murderer and a rapist, and the other superhero kills millions of innocent people, to save the world.
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I wonder how long the Hollis Mason documentary is. Better be worth the price of what I'm sure will be a $20 DVD.
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"The Black Freighter" storyline contrasts the storylines of Rorshach, Veidt, and even Dr. Manhattan. So the film doesn't need the squid, for the Black Freighter story to have any relevance.
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Sequence and allow the ability to navigate the dvd with the optional endings..They have already sunk so much money into this that giving the fanboys the optional ending seems like a no brainer.. Whats a couple of million dollars anyway given the state of the economy..I say SQUID PRO CHOICE!!
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...given how long it's been out, but what exactly is IMAX? I remember going to what I think was an IMAX theatre when I was a teen. It was basically a movie theatre with a huge dome above you instead of a screen. They showed an aerial shot of New York City, and it was realistic enough to give me vertigo.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't "Hellboy" the "Hellboy" of superhero flicks?
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that is great news! wish they did this with Harry Potter... those fuckers at WB should take notice!
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THERE IS NO SQUID. Get over it. Look, I love the Squid, but what's the big deal with having it in the film. What works better in one medium, won't really work in another. The Squid works in the GN, because of the emotional impact that came afterwords. When in reality, Veidt's explanation didn't make any sense at all. Only made comic-book sense, and that's why it worked so perfectly well. Alan Moore was making commentary on comic-books, and idiotic plans by super villains. But Alan Moore added alot more to it, by showing the results of Veidt's plan. It was horrifying, tragic, and devastating to look at. But if it was shown on screen, it might too jarring for people, and the explanation still wouldn't make any sense.
So they changed it, and attempted to make it seem a bit more logical for people who have never read the GN. And let's face it, the squid would just look like another great special effect, in a film that is full of great special effects. :) -
...but I guess this'll do.
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Fuck conventionality. Watchman will make it's money back, and then some. If you think that you might not be able to sit through a 2 and a half hour comic book movie, just stay home, turn on MTV and pop some ritalin in. My freind was legitimately excited about Watchmen, and the fact that it was rated R was a major selling point for him.
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i hate it when they do this - concentrate on finishing the theatrical release version, and the dick around for the DVD. all too many film makers are busy creating stuff with the DVD in mind instead of the cinematic release we all want to go and see. to the film makers guilty of this i say, and i hope you hear me, fuck off back to making stuff for TV if that's where you want your vision to be shown.
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And while you're at it - add a digital gimp mask on the comedian!
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I says Bruse Cambull for teh roll. What am his power? He stop time! That can be lam if not handled by proper directer like BRENT RATTNER OR MIKHAIL BAY!
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I can understand the squid confusing the 'average common thicko redneck'.
As far as the flying ship shaped like an owl and the big blue man with the penis, people will accept that.
But the robots changing into cars and trucks, punching each other in their robot faces, that's not good content for a blockbuster in my humble opinion.
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bring it on. can't wait.
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I'll simply edit in the scene in 'Bride of the Monster' where Bela Lugosi fights a giant octopus. I'll post it on YouTube and it will unite the masses.
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Please say there will be one. That would be gold.
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I agree, but I don't think "Watchmen" will have a great run at the box office. It will have a big weekend, and it might make a HUGE profit. But I don't think it's going to become the highest grossing R-rated film ever. It might be just end up on the top three highest grossing R rated films, but that's about it.
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Where the studio lets everybody know there's an unrated or director's cut that will hit video but then put out a cut they feel is weaker in the cinemas for a lower rating or more showings or whatever. Just stand behind the best version already.
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and that turned out to be bullshit. I'll believe it when I believe it.
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Feb 18, 2009 1:49:57 PM CST
Maybe we need an official "squid vs. no squid" talkback...
by kevin holsinger
...so that all conversations on the matter can go there, instead of repeatedly taking up these forums.Though admittedly, it would be a wee bit weird.
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I'm definitely holding out until the 205 minute cut of the film is available!
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I love the sarcasm. But it's not the Squid that will fuck with people, it's the explanation. And let's face it, it might feel like it came straight out of left field, and the explanation simply doesn't make sense. But it works within the comic-book, because Alan Moore is making commentary on comic-books. He shows how ridiculous Veidt's plan is, but makes it truly effective, by showing the impact of Veidt's plan. On the big screen, it might not come across so well. So it was changed, in order to make alot more sense. And the Squid is not in any of the script drafts, and there have been ALOT more changes to "Watchmen" in the past. Just be grateful that Snyder was willing to faitfully adapt the look of the GN, instead of putting the story and characters in the 21st century.
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care to indulge us more indepth? YOU DIDNT READ THE COMIC....YOU CAN BARELY READ THIS TALKBACK
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What if the movie is so horrible that they never release it on DVD or Blueray and disintegrate every copy on film?
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It's called making money. And WB was afraid that people wouldn't be able to sit through a 3+ hour film, that is a hard R-rated film. Forget the fact that many people still don't know who the superheroes are. The 3 hour cut is for the fans, for the people who might love the theatrical cut, and to make alot more money. Plain and simple.
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Which makes it more profitable for the theater owners...
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filled with alot of tech questions and apple plugs oh, and you get to hear snyder say "manhattans cock"
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filled with alot of tech questions and apple plugs oh, and you get to hear snyder say "manhattans cock"
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Anyone here doesn't have doubt the film could suck?
This is counting the chickens of success before they hatch. And when it does truly suck, will all this bullshit be relevant? Warners will scrap the idea and claim it was an AICN rumor when everyone knew it wasn't.
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Otherwise we'd of heard about it by now in the adverts and behind the scenes shorts. A shame really, but then again most of the film was done on sets and soundstages than on location ala TDK. Dr. Manhattan could have made things especially difficult.
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In addition to director's commentary, there will be the option to listen to Alan Moore and Harland Ellison discuss how terrible every single scene is. During the end credits, they wander off to such topics as Dianetics, Zippy the Clown, and who between the two if them is actually the MOST misunderstood. It culminates with the two of them beating one another to death with severed arms after Moore calls Ellison as Sci-Fi writer, and Ellison calls Moore a glorified Coney Island tattoo artist.
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however, if the movie isnt brilliant, and just good, dont look for a gross above 150...which will be seen as a failure to the suits which means no sequel or prequel...so that is a blessing
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Feb 18, 2009 2:11:06 PM CST
I'm at the point where I'm more excited for the Blu-Ray release
by jor-el23
Than I am for going to the theater. I have a blu-ray player, a 1080p TV with a 120hz processor and a nice surround system...plus I have a nice living room where I don't have to pay for parking, wait in line to buy concessions from a bunch of incompetent high school drop-outs, buy tickets in advance and arrive 30 minutes early to get good seats. Also, my room isn't full of vatos, cholos and puchaco piece of shit gangbangers, while my local movie theater is
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I thought it was pretty straightforward. Dr. Manhattan allows research into inter-dimensional travel. Aliens detect the research. Alien uses our technology to breach space-time and invade earth. But it didn't go as planned, so alien splatters. Must prepare for future attacks. What doesn't make sense there? What REALLY doesn't make sense is the world uniting with the USA to fight Dr. Manhattan after Dr. Manhattan decides to nuke everyone.
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Feb 18, 2009 2:16:46 PM CST
My IMAX already has sold out shows AND they are adding new ones.
by knowthyself
Midnight on the 5th sold out. They added a 4am showing. 6pm and 10pm on the 6th is sold out. They added a 2am showing. This film is going to make huge bank.
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..."be at peace or get it worse next time." Kind of thing. Like the day the earth stood still.
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Wow. That's what happened with the IMAX in London for TDK. The earliest show I could get a couple days before TDK came out was a 5AM showing on sunday morning...
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Jon/Doc Manhattan is THE American in many ways--a symbol of American superiority and its greatest weapon. And if an American weapon malfunctions and kills shitloads of people worldwide, whose fault is it? Who will the world blame?Doc Manhattan Bombs = FAIL.I think replacing the squid with something of equal potency in its proxy is fine--a legitimate choice. But the logic behind this change just doesn't hold water. Hopefully this film adaptation will prove me wrong.
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Maybe it's cos I have been reading everyone creaming about it on here for a year or so, so I decided to read it and it didn't live up to what you poeple built it up to be. Maybe at 30 I am too old for comics. Maybe it's out-dated. Maybe the charactors are stupid and the story is not as complex as people made it out to be. I watched the trailers before I read the comic and thought it looked really good. Just wasn't as good as I expected. The black freigther parts especially boring.
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If I remember correctly, one of the early drafts for the movie had a scene where Ozy transmits a fake message from Dr. Manhattan after he blows up those citys along the lines of "BEHAVE!"
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Trying to troll and stir up the pot. Get a life sir. Let us enjoy our news in peace.
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Read it again.
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check out The Walking Dead. Best comic book on the deconstruction of humanity that I've read in a while (and it has zombies).
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Feb 18, 2009 2:33:19 PM CST
God Exists and he just blew up all the cities in the world.
by knowthyself
Something tells me he just lost support in the USA and if they are against Big blue the Soviets won't be so mad at us. We just point the finger at blue and aim a few missiles his way and the rest of the world will join us. Very simple.
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Snyder includes a shot of a character eating some fried calamari. There's your squid, fanboys.
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It's a slobber knocker
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The people that make the noise about the squid being cut are overstating the importance of the squid. If the squid was in the movie, they would pick out some other deviance from source to complain about. They WANTED to hate this movie, and have retroactively chosen the lack of squid for the reason.
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As much as I and the rest of the populace enjoyed the Dark Knight, that film didn't need to be 155 minutes either. Then again, Donner's Superman was a pretty long-ass affair, and that's pretty much still the bellwether in many circles. So what do I know?
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IMAX film is a large-format cannister film camera. It uses a regular film stock that is much greater in size than normal film. It is Higher than High-Def, as it is the highest resolution analog film out there. For instance, if you have a blu-ray, you have The Dark Knight blu ray. That blu-ray has 6 scense shot in IMAX, where it is not really widescreen and the image is much 'larger' than it normally appears (the opening of the dark knight was shot in IMAX). Anyway, this also means much larger screens. The IMAX near me has a 72 foot high screen. MUUCH larger than a normal movie screen. and the science center in Pittsburgh has an OmniMAX screen, which is a 120foot domed IMAX screen. Anyway, its the only way to see movies these days. Especially with the resurgence of 3D (clear glasses instead of red and blue lenses), seeing things on an IMAX screen is worth making the trip instead of staying home and watching things on blu ray.
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I couldn't be more excited. But that doesn't change that axing the squid was a stupid choice, and replacing it with Dr. Manhattan was even stupider. That's especially true given this film is supposed to be such a faithful adaptation.
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flew by...fastest 155 minutes ever.
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I will see this movie opening night in IMAX and I can't wait for the 205 minute cut.
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There will just be more slow motion and that's why the movie will run that long!
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I consider seeing most films in theater merely a prelude to the BLURAY. I'm sitting there wondering why theaters can't show movies in HD. Why does my TV look better than that picture? IMAX on the other hand just blows me away every time. Makes going to the movies a real treat and is the only thing that can outshine my home theater.
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Feb 18, 2009 2:50:56 PM CST
Opening weekend will be huge because there's nothing until May
by spyguy
The second weekend on will depend, obviously, on how good the film is and positive word-of-mouth. If a shitty FRIDAY THE 13TH remake can pull in a big $40 mil opening weekend, WATCHMEN should be at least $60 mil during its opening weekend.
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that and 3D lol. If you have a 120hz home theater display, you can make most current generation video-games into true 3D (google: nvidia glasses), the new crop of 3D movies blows my blu ray home theater away. I saw bolt on an IMAX screen in 3D. Now the movie was shot in IMAX, so it was kinda blown up to fit the screen, but my god was the 3D out of this world. Just like when I saw beowulf (non-imax but in 3D), I was thoroughly floored. I expect Monsters vs. Aliens to do the same, as well as Avatar.
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WHAT THE FUCK IS SO HARD FOR YOU PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE NEW DOC-ENDING1?!?! He WAS an american weapon, but if he nukes AMERICA (which he will) ALONG with other cities in other countries, the WORLD WILL UNITE TO FIGHT HIM... he becomes a COMMON threat. Also, it is actually quite a smart ending, when you think about the fact that America created the Atomic bomb, and it could be that same technology that could destroy our country. Like in iron man--he feels guilty when he realizes his weapons are being used by terrorists. Its a very appropriate ending given the state the world is in, and the constant threat that weapons we have created could be turned on us. But some of you are FUCKING IDIOTS because you can't realize that if AMERICA GETS BOMBED, AMERICA IS ALSO A VICTIM... JUST AS MUCH OF A VICTIM AS ANYONE ELSE WHO GETS NUKED... jesus, and these are the same people who are so analytical about the comic book and read into the subtext so much... if you guys can do THAT, why can't you understand a very simple concept that is the new alternate ending???
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question: Do i have to go slap-happy on you fuckers?
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seriously folks, have you watched the clips?? yikes.......and i agree with the above comment - it will open huge only because it has ZERO competition. this winter/spring has been one of the emptiest in years.
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Was the original an oscar nominated masterpiece or am I missing something here? A shitty remake of a shitty original film series? Its all B grade genre film making. Easiest film to sell and easiest audiences to please. You can't go wrong with horror. When if ever was that series heralded as master cinema? A shitty remake seems to be in line with what the franchise has always offered. Fun deaths. Lots of nudity. Lots of fun.
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I must have been very bored to read that. Enjoy your 'news'.
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..does not guarantee big box office. Plenty of movies have proven that already.
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When Goku will be fucking our Dragonballs in April of 2009!!!
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Heaven's Gate.
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if the movie is a failure financially, a big ol flop, will they still release those 3 versions on disc? and i can understand those complaining that they should focus on the theatrical version but at the same time, isnt it nice to know you'll have a choice? you wont get the theatrical version and then the extended cut 6 months later? i'm sure they'll double dip for other reasons, thats part of dvd/blu-ray now but yeah.
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leading up to the 27 disc ultimate director's cut definitive special edition.
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(that's for seagrass)
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or over rated....YOU DIDNT READ SHIT...you are just like the guys who post reviews based on trailers
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change the ending = remove the backstory = veidt is not as smart as he appears so big deal...hes a bond villian
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Thanks!
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if it takes down a whole studio. Preferably Fox.
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he even had an underwater fortress...granted, the water *was* frozen, but so was the fortress in Die Another Day.
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He said he got bored toward the end of the graphic novel and decided to go all Michael Bay on our asses!!
He also said you are all very nice people, but that does NOT fucking cut it!!!
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Yes Veidt was always a bond villain--and more importantly, he was like that because (as so many have mentioned) Veidt's Moore's commentary on other superhero villains... HOWEVER, we don't know if DOC makes the decision to go nuke-happy on everyone's asses, (come to think about that, i could see that as a its always sunny in philadelphia title: the gang goes nuke happy on everyone's asses) but i digress, we don't KNOW that doc decides to do this himself... I understand no squid, but i find it hard to believe that Veidt will have no hand in the destruction at the end... i mean, i can actually understand people who are obsessed with the squid, i really can, but i will NEVER be able to understand, and would be furious, if the main bad-guy isn't behind the destruction at the end... that would be a HUGE dealbreaker in my book, and would make even less sense for the average viewer than the squid, and that's saying ALOT...
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the theatrical cut in slo-mo
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Come on, break the fucking embargo. Someone.
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I think... that Veidt fella tricks Dr Blue balls into nuking peoples faces off.
or....
He sets up the nukes himself, thus making the Doc seem impartial to any target. Hence making THE WHOLE GLOBE DWELLING POPULATION (Including the Irish)hold hands together in unison and peace!
It's the only way it can confirm him as a bad / good guy, his character would be worthless otherwise.
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420 Boylston St, people may be counting their chickens before they come home to roost in regards to this movie, HOWEVER, i hope you're in all the AVATAR threads saying the same damn thing, because we know how incredible the source material is for watchmen, we've seen the trailers which make it look like a visually stunning movie (and yes, slow mo is perfect for a COMIC BOOK movie, because it gives you a little longer look at some of the best framed shots like a comic does) and its rated R. That's enough for me to get excited and get my hopes up. Avatar praise is insane considering how little of it we've seen (and that's an understatement)
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They said your opinions of the movie 'Avatar' mean nothing to them. NOTHING!
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Can't they make a version I watch for a year straight!?!
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I do believe that Watchmen's R rated release will stunt its BO gross; however I am convinced that it will make quite a bit of bank within the first few weeks, then the drop off will slide hard around week 3. It will make it's money back, but it will not break records.
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Is 3 hrs of a bad movie better than 2 hrs? I hope Watchmen is not a bad movie, but the recently released scenes are not encouraging.
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sheesh
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Watchmen is rated exactly right: Highly. if you don't agree that's it's an interesting, complex and cool comic book then you really ought not hang out here. It's like going to a Stanley Kurbick forum and saying 2001 was long and boring. It makes you look ignorant.
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You seem to have the same point I do... so you agree that the destruction at the end will force the world to unite against it, not making the world blame and unite against america (as some idiots believe will happen)?
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The average age of people who buy and read comic books is 27. I'll ask you this--assuming you've read the GN, and for the sake of argument, lets say you have kids. If you think comics are for younger people, how old would your kids have to be for you to let them read watchmen? I know it won't change your opinion of the book and the medium, but Watchmen changed the entire industry of comic books (and also dark knight returns, although i don't feel it holds up, and i also feel that is sucks, even though people praise it) it made comics for an older crowd. The fact of the matter is, today, comics are for sophmore highschool to mid-twenties people and then the loyalists who continue to read comics as they get older. Its true, though, Watchmen should really be read twice, and is better the second time around... but actually, in your defense, Watchmen isn't for everybody, but it is PERFECT for alot of people, and because it honestly is perfect for so many people, they have a hard time believing other people don't see what they see. I think its almost perfect (nothing achieves true perfection) but I do believe you if you felt it was boring... but there's a good chance you will really like the movie. I love watchmen as much as the next guy, all you huge fans, and without watchmen i would not be the huge comics fan I am today, but you do need to realize that Watchmen, AND comics in general, do just not work with some people... you can't accuse people who weren't that into it of not reading it... although it is fair to ask for specific reasons why they hated it--if they can't answer that question, then ignore them, because then the person is clearly a troll.
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I guess you didn't catch the underlying tone of sarcasm in my post.. I could give a octopuses ass if the squid is in the final directors , lolapoluza, ultimate, top secret edition.. I just want a good film to come out after all the bullshit that has been generated in its effort to get made. I like most want a faithful adaptation but some things work and some things don't. As long as the film is somewhat close to the novel I'll shell out my hard earned dead presidents for the theater and maybe drop $29.00 for the Blu-ray..but it better be good or else...
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So i dont haveto hear any more whining and bitching about it!
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Thanks for the heads up.
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SQUID.
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I totally agree with you, and I apologize for being hostile. But if you really do want to see the Squid, it might be in the extended cut. :)
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If you're in this talkback you know you're gonna see it in the theatres... you're lying if you say you'll hold out. YOu will read reviews or talkbacks and you will go spend your 11 bucks to see it just so you can complain and bitch about it along with the rest of the haters. Or you could see it and love it and come to defend it. Either way, you're not gonna hold out for the blu-ray... if you're geeky enough to not only visit aintitcool, but be a talkbacker, this is going to be one of THE talkbacks of the year, and you will be a part of it.
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might be more appropriate as W)ill A)nother T)imeless C)lassic H)ave M)ediocrity E)ncroach upon it's N)ovelty? WATCHMAN...I have a tremendous amount of free time
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i kinda wish it wouldve been a surprise.
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watchmEn...not enough time apparently to proofread
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a (sub)quantum of solace. Ba-dum-dump! Thank you, thank you.
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That is all. Do not interpret that enthusiastic exclamation as either for or against the squid, as taking such a stance is so egregiously gauche at this point. Just consider it my barbaric cephalopod yawp at the continuing furor over this topic.
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Nice one! Let's just hope that's not the case. I'm trying to reserve all judgment until I've seen the film.
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Starro, and the first appearance of the JLA, from The Brave and the Bold #28.
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Just because you geeks can't visualize it doesn't mean it wouldn't work.
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Will All Talkbackers Caress Harry's Mighty Elephantine Nads?
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...If your gonna pull something, let it be a bit higher than my leg AICN. NO SQuid=Galactus is a cloud.
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One of the possible problems with Snyders climax is that Big Blue Explosions might not cut it as suitably shocking, horrific or strange.
However.. IF you add to this the Intrinsic Field subtractor as a secondary desctructive "fallout" of the "Bombs", that exterminates any lifeform within it's "ground zero" with a similar horrific effect to that which tore Osterman to pieces, on a grand scale, then that might just push it into the realm of shock and horror needed.
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Just read it for the 2nd time a couple of weeks ago and could barely put it down (was like a novel). I read it about 20 years ago so I'd forgotten quite a bit. Excellent! Oh, someone mentioned the movie 2001... ummm, I've tried watching it twice. Can't get through it. Nope. But I'm not in a Stanley Kubrick forum, so oh well.
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Slo-mo + CG does not equal filmmaking.
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the SQUID is IN!
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Suckers Queued Up for Idiotic Director = S.Q.U.I.D.
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The only part of what I've seen SO FAR that has excited me (after all that's what promotional material is supposed to do) is the last trailer. Someone mentioned that the clips look like there from a sitcom and I agree. That kind of visual composition works in the comic as Dave Gibbons and Alan Moore were trying to create a 'what would superheroes look like in the real world' but now we have a cinema audience whose just watched (in comic adaptations alone) Hulk, Iron Man, Dark Knight, Hellboy 2, The Spirit and Wanted and despite varying quality are all visually stimulating. The way Watchmen is shot would indeed suit a TV series better. As for the Jon Vs. Squid ending regardless of how Jon is set up to be would a godlike being use nukes? We see he deconstruct tanks and build glass castles and so on, without really thinking about it. Blowing stuff up seems a little strange for his M.O. As for the Squid looking silly... No. I point you to how awesome the plant god looked in Hellboy 2. Give it similar lighting, show it in segments, a mangled eye here a beak there don't tell me that this http://scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/squid%20Promachoteuthis%20sulcus.jpg or this http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/Photography/Images/Content/giant-squid-close-up-760231-lw.jpg couldn't be made to be significantly nastier looking. The ending feels like Snyder read the comic then about half way through guessed the ending, got it wrong then thought his version worked better.
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This movie will rock
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for the record, kurt, we always seem to disagree... but i never go out of my way to disagree and attack you, we just always happen to be at opposite ends. But to clarify, I am NOT attacking people who are angry the squid isn't in, I thought i made that clear, but maybe i didn't. I'm pissed off at the people who seem to think that because DOC is connected to the ultimate destruction, the world will see it as america's fault, and then attack america. That arugment makes NO SENSE because America will be attacked. As i said: its like another country saying "oh, a nuke blew off in new york city... they invented the nuke, serves them right... now because they invented the nuke we must attack them" it makes NO SENSE. I am not in love with the new ending, nor am i in love with the squid, I can see both sides argument, but i cannot for the life of me understand why people will blame america if america itself is attacked... if many cities are attacked, either directly or indirectly from DOC, then the issue the world faces is how do they stop the destruction from continuing. That's just logic.
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lol on the 'we are done professionally line' i didn't catch the reference at first... nice one. (not sarcasm)
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It's like he is taunting us. Oh well, gonna buy the 205 mins anyway.
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think Bush engineered 9/11 but the world is not going to associate Dr Manhattan bitching up their cities with an intentional plot by the US? Try again.
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...explained all of the character motivations. Ross is just a dick until you look at William Hurt's cut scene. It's the best thing he did for this film. Samson and even the army chick finally make sense after you watch the deleted scenes. Some idiot pulled the nads out of that movie.
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Superconducting Quantum Interference Devices (SQUID)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID
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sounds much worse than not having the squid at all.
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I like the sound a longer version of the movie with actual movie footage, hence the 190 minute cut. But I dunno about that 205 minute cut with black freighter spliced in. interesting concept I know, but will it have little Bernie reading the comic, zoom in over his shoulder and suddenly it's an animated movie? shouldn't it be more like those motion comic dealies? or will little Bernie be watching it on a small TV at Big Bernie's newstand? does that make sense? or will the splices be shown with no context, referring to neither bernie big or little?
The more I think about it, the more I think I'll take the black freighter on the side. unless of course the director's cut is put on the the Blu Ray with the option of either of the long cuts, that'll be cool.
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Just that he had his thumb up his ass when the intelligence reports were coming in and something could have been done to prevent it. But he's out office, so that's neither here nor there now. Now it's all Obama bashing.
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Is it like Krab? (as opposed to Crab, google it before you accuse me of being an idiot.)
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Rorshach's Journal...inside is evidence that Veidt was behind the attack on New York but it doesn't mention the nature of it because Rorshach didn't know at the time of writing.
So we get to Antarctica and Veidt's all "we need a common threat blah blah blah" and we learn that he was working on creating an alien to attack New York to unite the world and then Dan is all "We'll stop you" and Veidt is like "you don't have to because in the end I realised that the whole Squid idea was pretty lame"
And Rorschach is all "didn't go through with it. Saw sense."
And Veidt is like "no I just had Jon here nuke the place...20 minutes ago...even though he was on Mars"
And Jon is like "technically I was on Mars, here and New York at the same time"
And Dan is like "Dude that's some twilight zone shit right there."
And Rorshack is all "Those missing people. The lab here. Killed for nothing. No squid. Entire journal useless."
And so the final scene is Rorschach sneaking into to the newspaper office to make some quick changes to the journal
"Must change. Otherwise plot incoherent."
He looks over to see a fat guy eating a donut, dripping down onto his smiley face t-shirt.
"Could try New York Times instead."
Rorschach leaves with the journal.
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It's not that John nuked the world. Ozy replicated John's energy just enough to blow up cities. John didn't know the plan, he thought he was helping make a new kind of generator.
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As I was writing the above post, something occured to me. Doesn't Jon say that he is leaving Earth behind?
So if he is responsible and then he leaves...what's the world united against? Yes, with the Squid there is no actual threat beyond the initial attack since the Squid was man made, but in the minds of world leaders it could be a vanguard for an all out invasion.
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Just for the record, I'm not one of the haters I was talking about. I'm reserving my judgment until I see Watchmen.
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At this point I just really want to see the movie. I already know when it's going to be released. I'll be there for the first show. I don't need to know how long it is or what may or may not be on the DVD release.
The advertisers have done their jobs well. The only thing these "updates" are doing is reminding me that it is, in fact, not March 6th yet. -
It wasn't meant to be serious. I know the change is to make the world think Jon was responsible even though he wasn't.
The problem though is that a change like that has repercussions for the entire story. Everything from the Comedians death to Rorschach's journal is affected by that change. Plus, does Manhattan care enough to help Ozy create the new generator? I mean he fucks off to Mars pretty quickly and before that he is just going through the motions with no real connection to humanity anymore.
Frankly I'm not a massive fan of Watchmen, I actually think the novel is good but overrated and for the movie I'm looking to be entertaineed even if it's not completely faithful. But I can understand why so many people are pissed. -
Is if Fox sees all this squid bitching and gets the wrong idea. Watchmen makes bank. A sequel is greenlit. And under the guise of "listening to the fans," The sequel is about all of the Crime Busters/Watchmen (including a resurrected Comedian and Rorschach) fighting to save the earth from an invasion of Intergalactic Squid men.
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Feb 18, 2009 7:01:15 PM CST
It'll be an hour long if you put all the slo-mo in regular speed
by spiritualgorila
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appear on the local news crying how she brought her little Johnny to what she thought was a nice superhero movie like Fantastic Four and her child was forever warped by seeing titties and big blue god man cock.
However, guys thrown out windows to their deaths and brutal cleaver murder of pedophile is probably no problem for mommy.
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Feb 18, 2009 7:05:02 PM CST
Its not the actual SQUID, its just a codename for something else
by mike_d
jeeze.
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I'm going to go see this film, but I am still convinced it will be a huge bomb at the box office. No stars, rated R, and a long running time = box office fail. I guess it doesn't matter very much. It's not as if a sequel is already in the works or anything.
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What I want to know is if the extra footage in the director's cut is the same as what's in the freighter cut aside from the transitions to the "Freighter" clips. Because if it is, then I will just buy "The Black Freighter" separately, maybe splice it in myself or something if i'm feeling bored.
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It'll at least make its money back. Hell, check the sales of the actual book. People are really curious to see how this movie pans out. Besides, I think the "R" rating will help it.
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Wouldn't most reasonable people tell that mommy "well, it IS rated R, you know." Fox may run with it though.
And I wonder if you really understand that segment of the population. I know mommys like the one you mention, and they would also have a problem with the guys thrown out the window and cleaver deaths. -
at America and the world. Clinton is mad that they made fun of him for being a hillbilly horn dog that would fuck anything with a vagina. Bush is mad that they made fun of his malapropisms.
Bush and Clinton decide to team-up and get revenge. Being ex-presidents they know where there are a bunch of nukes hidden away. They take the nukes and use them to blow up a whole bunch of U.S. cities and cities around the world.
Of course the rest of the world would not be mad at/suspicious of the U.S. if two ex U.S. presidents nuked the planet. The whole world would unite to fight Bush/Clinton. Uh yea right. -
At borders last week, and they are making bank on Watchmen. The GN is listed as "3rd best selling fiction" and they have a huge stock pile of copies of it, and that stock pile IS SELLING. And briskly. They've also picked up a lot of sales from all the recent tie in books. I say that bodes well for the movie box office.
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it is all laid out in the article, but anyway- a 150 or so minute theatrical cut, a 190 or so minute directors cut, and a 205 minuted Director's cut + spliced in Black Freightor. Personally, that 190 cut sounds most appealing, and I suggest it to you.
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I posted this in the other Watchmen talkback too, but anyway, there's some other clips at Collider including... A scene between The Comedian and Ozy. A scene between young and old Silk Spectres. A scene where Comedian and Nightowl discuss the future of 'masks'. The scene where Jon becomes Doc Manhattan. 1 or 2 more Doc Manhattan scenes. Thus far I'd have to agree that my only major concern with the acting is Ozy. Nightowl, Rorschach and Comedian all seem spot on. Anyway, here are the links to those clips...http://tinyurl.com/cqf eds and http://tinyurl.com/cfxv5d
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Feb 18, 2009 7:16:23 PM CST
Inactionman, I think that scenario proves the opposite point
by greenstyle92
Because if Clinton and Bush nuked the US and the world, it would be clear it wasn't about US nationalism but their own personal vendettas. we would be victims as much as the rest of them. The whole world wouldn't team up, but everyone would want to see those bastards pay.
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I don't think that there is any shortage of bad parents that will ignore the "R" Rateing.
There used to be a real cool haunted house that was run in my city for charity every Holloween. It was great, scary as hell.
I saw a mother, granted she was in her late teens or early twenties take a child that could not have been more than two years old into that thing.
The security guys at the door spent several minutes trying to talk her out of it. She would not listen to them. Personally if I was the security guy I would not have even let her in. About 90 seconds after our group got inside the haunted house the kid starts screaming like it had just been knifed. The poor little thing was terrified. The staff at the haunted house finally got their shit together and escorted her out. But I think that kid is still probably a bit fucked up by that experience to this day. -
"More reasonable fans understand that a giant alien squid wouldn't quite work in the movie."Umm... care to qualify that? I wish Devin (or anyone else) could explain why this is presumed to be a non-starter for a comic book movie?
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And what's with the "Happy now? Of course not!" line?Screw geeks for demanding adherence to the source material?No subjects in my posts until the squid is back in!
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And puts the smiley face backwards so the blood is running down his right eye?
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No I don't think you were, but how often do you find yourself in a runaway acronym TB. I need to milk this for all its worth.
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...why the squid itself is important.
Spoiler. Even now, spoiler.
It's not the squid that's important. It's the massacre. Why it needs to be a got-dang squid is irrelevant. Anything that could destroy the city and have the blame put elsewhere is the point of the sequence. Right now, I simply don't understand why, other than simply having a workman-like attachment to the graphic novel, the squid is the thing that people need. But I'd like to understand. -
Doh!
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DEVIN SUCKS THE SHIT FROM DEAD LITTLE GIRLS
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I agree that the concept is the most important thing. Even still, to see that iconic shot at the end, with the crazy fucking squid would have been cool. That said, it won't hurt this film one iota and I can't wait.
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Deserves, nay DEMANDS to be a TB gag line forever.
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No one's been able to explain the relevance of the squid. I mean, it could be anything huge and scary and it would get the point across.
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I'm not understanding in relation to the squid, is in the book writers and artists were "recruited" to create this fantastic creature (one of those writers/artists was involved with the Black Freighter side story). So if they don't have the creature, how are the writers/artists relevant to the story then?
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This movie looks like complete shit! The acting looks horrible, and the characters look like they just jumped out of Elton John's closet!
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Waste of time and get to the Black Freighter.
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You morons defending this idiot hack director who cuts out the main antagonist in the climax, THE CLIMAX, of the whole story are really a bunch of mindless sheep. How can you say the haters are clinging to it because it is actually unimportant to teh story. Then why would Alan Moore add a giant squid destroying the planet at the end of his masterpiece. THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE YOUR INANE THOUGHTS. Of course it is important which is not to say the film won't be good, but it won't be faithful that is clear and it also won't be supported by its creator Alan Moore. Stupid fucking idiots...
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Wow. That Snyder. What a riot.
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Feb 18, 2009 9:38:19 PM CST
yubnubrocks, you have a good point. schnipple, you're a retard.
by dr sauch
That is really my biggest question mark. If that element is not in the story, something major will be missing. Also, schnipple, you used teh, you're a moron. Also, learn to punctuate you fucking fat british slob.
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OH MY GOD! I SWEAR THIS IS TRUE! THE MOVIE IS BEING PULLED BECAUSE IT'S TOO GRAPHIC FOR AUDIENCES. A TEST SCREENING HAD PEOPLE RUNNING OUT OF THE THEATER SCREAMING. THE MOVIE ISN'T BEING RECUT! IT'S BEING PULLED! IT'S BEING PULLED!!!!
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You can pretend all you want that you're having an "intelligent" conversation with yubnu but fact remains you're a mindless twit who has no sense of artistic integrity and will always blindly follow the latest hype machine. ALAN MOORE INCLUDED A GIANT SQUID IN THE FUCKING CLIMAX OF HIS MASTERPIECE FOR A REASON. I won't be a pretentious fuck and try to phantom why an obvious writer like Moore would do such a thing, but I will respect him and understand why HE DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS ADAPTATION. Won't don't you idiots understand about this? How can we make it more clear to you? Enjoy the movie for fucks sake, just know it is not a faithful adaptation. If that bothers you, just know it bothers the people who enjoy Moore's writing a little more. You get it, you stupid fuck.
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SEE ABOVE! SEE ABOVE!!!!!!!!!
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THEY'RE PULLING THE MOVIE! THE FUCKING STUDIO IS PULLING THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!
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NOOOOOO!!!!
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THEY CAN'T DO THIS TO US!!!!!!
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Look above? what the hell? what are you talking about?
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I CAN'T TAKE THIS!!!!
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Feb 18, 2009 10:02:52 PM CST
Nah... Just wanted to send the rabid fanboys scrambling...
by mrsentinel
I can be a cruel bastard like that.
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movie isn't as faithful as advertised.
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Excluding the squid is not just an affront to the artists, the writers, the comics industry, and the fans. It's more. We're now seeing a faction of "people" who are banding together to support this ... this ... atrocity. They mock the squid supporters. They make claims that the squid has no meaning, that it's unimportant and can be replaced. These people have no shame, no scruples, and most importantly, no morals. They are diseased dogs. They are infidels. This has become more than squid or no squid, this is now a holy war. It is a fatwa. I've had it. I'm not going to stand by any more and listen to these false prophets blaspheme Alan Moore's name, the squid, and everything that I and any decent fan hold sacred. You squid non-believers have crossed the line, and now it is truly ON.
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... ALALALALALALALALALALA!!!
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Feb 18, 2009 10:08:13 PM CST
Deadpanwalking, you just came up with the Watchmen sequel
by greenstyle92
a story comparing superheroes to gods in how they are worshipped, and the heroes bringing the world into holy war. God, moore should do THAT story.
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Learn how to take a joke, fucker. Evidently you really don't read a lot of the bs that's posted here. Well, I do. And I'm sick of the whining over squid vs no squid. Shatner said it best. To paraphrase: "Get a life, willya people? I mean, for cryin' out loud... it's just a movie."
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My god...you keep going on and on and on about a small point from a COMIC BOOK that would not work right on the screen in a movie. If they put the squid in the movie a few thousand of you would be all happy while a few million would say that it was a great movie up until that dumb ass ending.
You have to make a few changes in an adaption in order to get it to work in another medium.
You don't want to accept that. Fine. Boycott the movie. The studios will run in fear just like they did when you boycotted Spiderman for Organic webshooters, or XMEN for the costume changes, or The Lord of The Rings for cutting out Tom Bombasomethingorother.
Face facts...you opinions mean NOTHING to anyone but you. The studio doesn't give a shit about what you think because they have your money already.
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Well played, sir.
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just great...I end up with you on my side...sigh
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I SWEAR IT'S TRUE!!!
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dimmick said: "Face facts...you opinions mean NOTHING to anyone but you. The studio doesn't give a shit about what you think because they have your money already. "
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thats awesome
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Count on it.
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no, I guess it isn't the right era, but it would have been a cool way to do it - a sneaky monster movie pre-do.
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sheesh
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Feb 19, 2009 12:29:25 AM CST
I hope the squid appears at the very, very end of the credits
by finky089
giving the audience a 'middle tentacle", then the screen fades to black and the house lights come on - just as a way of Snyder saying to the calamari head fans "F you! Here's your squid"
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And we get a big ass cut on blu-ray that's faithful to the graphic novel, squid, freighter and all! Then Snyder is redeemed to me!!! But I'll believe it when I see it!
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Fuck you and your gay ending!!!
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"Happy now? Of course not!"
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I'm worried about those clips I just watched, I've got a bad feeling now...damnit Snyder, don't fuck this up
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...when A V A T A R IS FUCKING OUR EYEBALLS IN 2009?(ahem)nobody(ahem)
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If done right it would have been tops. I agree about this schism splitting nerdom into shite sunni factions. All hail the prophet Alan Moore.
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There is a tentacle rape scene involved. We all know this to be true! Oh and derka derka Alan Moore (right at you kirttrik)!
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Feb 19, 2009 2:11:07 AM CST
In the background, you can see the squid falling from the sky!
by mike_d
Watch the credits. Thats the rumor.
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more if you want to take more time. A 3 hour movie is fine. Not all of watchmen is genius and there is a lot of stuff that won't translate to screen. 3 and bit hours is just fine for a movie in my opinion. All the surrounding stuff like black freighter and stuff on the blu ray will make up for that. It's currently being handled the only way it could and should be for film like it or not.
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Sqiud: Confusion. The "What the fuck is THAT?!?" factor.
Doc: Fear. The "God hates us!" factor.
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Seriously - having seen the MASSIVE difference between the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN theatrical and director's cut, I wonder what the point is of releasing the shorter versions at all.
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So how hard is it to figure out that the S.Q.U.I.D. is probably the name of the devices that go kablooey.
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I wanted to do the "Squid stays in the picture" line. Dammit! ;-)
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Then why was the Comedian killed? Just because? Big plot hole there.
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IT FUCKING DISTRACTING!!!
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fucking ass
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most of the tb'ers didnt read it.
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...is to catastrophically kill you all. So that the rest of AICN can unite in its fight against CHUD.com.
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...without some sort of Veidt-faked extradimensional invasion threat. Sorry, I just don't. Making Manhatten the supposed threat negates the entire narrative. Sorry, it just does. (And yeah... I'll still go see it anyway, of course.)
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I knew they would come through for me. I mean, c'mon...I am THE SQUID.
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just imagine if they'd done that with 300
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People expecting a throw down action flick are gonna be disappointed. Yeah this movie looks good but that doesn't mean it'll be good.
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Feb 19, 2009 9:07:32 AM CST
RETARDED-LOOKING, GENOCIDAL, TELEPORTING ALIEN SQUID...
by god's brother
...or a formerly trustworthy, decidedly American-bred blue-balled man-god? Which would be a more likely threat shocking enough to get BOTH sides of the arms race to drop everything and work together for a world peace? I vote for alien squid. What? A squid won't translate well on-screen? I disagree, but Ok, fine. They should still have made it an alien threat rather than "blame Dr. Manhattan". Sorry guys, but Jon being the patsy just confuses things. An interesting idea, but it won't work. Veidt's plan hinged on the fact that neither side in the cold war ever considered that there might be a 3rd party who'll kick both their asses. Manhattan doesn't count because, yes, people will never disassociate him from the USA. He won the vietnam war for them. Him blowing up shit in the jungle in the name of USA would still be pretty fresh in people's minds, especially the commies. It would definitely be seen as a secret American plot. But that's just my opinion, and I'm still in my pajamas.
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Who cares if there's a squid or not. As long as the Movie is good, I could give two shites.jeez, some of you are really anal at times.
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Well the movie "being good or not" is a pretty big question mark at this point... It's not like it's an original story. It's based on something that a lot of people have dearly loved for years and years. Obviously people have a vested interest what changes might be made. The only way you could judge the film objectively as good or bad is if you are completely unfamiliar with the source material. Well hundreds of thousands or geeks out there don't have that luxury. So of course we're gonna bitch if it seems to us that changes to the ending of this film are a bad idea.
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Samuel L Jackson not expected to appear.
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Read the fucking article
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D.R. and Quinch cartoon before the start. Amarite?
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the squid, whatever, but I want destroyed bodies everywhere to drive home the carnage and destrucion. It's in the graphic novel but I have a sneaking suspicion we will only see people vaporized (no blood, no bodies) and large scale destruction of buildings, I want a massacre damnit, it packs more of a punch.
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One of the problems is that they are going to crowbar a bunch of action into the film even though it's not in the graphic novel. They are changing the entire tone to a degree. The owlship fire rescue at least suggests this.
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Yeah. I think we're going to get them.
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Well, it's now blindingly clear from the clips we've seen that Watchmen is a complete disaster and just doesn't work as a movie. The acting's horrible, the staging and direction dull; the pacing is all wrong.I had a suspicion Snyder wouldn't be able to handle this but I still gave him the benefit of the doubt that he might pull something out of the bag. Looks like Alan Moore was right after all: it isn't possible to translate the comic into a film - as the comic itself was designed to tell a story in a way a movie can't.And before you fanboys plunge into mass-depression, suicide pacts etc, remember this: just because the movie's a dud doesn't mean the comic has been 'ruined'. The comic is still there, and is still as good as it's always been.
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I would have thought it was going to suck too. But if you take the film as a whole its fucking awesome. Watchmen is worth more than the sum of its parts. Clips don't tell the whole story and they sure as hell don't sell mood and tone. We really need to reserve judgement on the film.
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It had GL's little daughter yelling at us in the train "Goodbye geeks! Goodbye geeks!"
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Gotta love Snyder.
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For crying out loud, weren't all the "childhood-raping" comments already tasteless enough? It's times like these I'm thankful I actually liked the prequels. "Watchmen" is probably doomed, of course, however. We can all agree on that.
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Although I wasn't impressed by the clips, it's overkill to attack pacing or tone in such short clips. Carla as an old silk Spector, however has me worried.
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Also, great to hear about the dvd. Many of them don't have squat in terms of extras.
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How the fuck can you tell the acting is bad from a few minutes of footage? Even more curious, HOW IN THE FUCK CAN YOU CRITICIZE PACING WHEN YOU’VE ONLY SEEN A FEW MINUTES OF THE GODDAM FILM? That is literally impossible to do until you’ve seen a film in its entirety. Are you retarded or is Moore’s cock so far up your fanboy ass that the tip has penetrated your tiny little mind and through some sort of cock-telepathy Moore is now feeding you this nonsense? Seriously, if you want to hate this movie that’s fine but at least have the intelligence to actually see it before deriding it out and for the love of Christ, please don’t use words like pacing and staging in your insipid critiques because you obviously have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
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It's overrated by today's terms, I agree... because we're already used to this concept. When it was written, it was completely new... no one had every treated a superhero in this way before. Superheroes are kind of like an American versions of Greek Gods. Showing them as flawed human beings who didn't have everything figured out and were kind of making it up as they were going along was a pretty new concept, akin to saying that Jesus had offspring (like DaVinci Code did).
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Without them, it's a fucking special effect.
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It definitely looks like they got the tone of The Comedian and Dan Dreiberg right. We'll see about how the rest of it comes together.
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Hey, in the midst of all the squid no squid debate, I have a comment/question that I could use some insight on from anyone who cares to respond. One thing that always kind of irked me about the comic was how Dr. Manhattan would hypothetically be unable to stop all of Russia's nukes from hitting the U.S. This just never made sense to me, since the guy is infinitely powerful, able to make multiple copies of himself, etc, etc. It just seems as though logically he'd be able to stop any and all nuclear missiles from Russia. I understand in the case of tachyon interferencce how he could be blindsided, but it just always seemed kind of weak that in his infinite power in matter and energy he wouldn't be able to stop 100% of a Russian launch. Thoughts?
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There are just too many warheads involved. He can make multiple copies of himself, but there would be tens of thousands of Soviet missiles carrying independent multi-impact warheads. Even if there are dozens of Manhattans, he has to physically be where he is affecting matter and has to think about it. In some cases he even realizes he cannot affect certain forthcoming events, like the assassination of Kennedy. We see that in the book. So he is *not* all-powerful, though he is at times presented as being such.
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killing the vietnamese girl too...he didnt its not that the doc cant stop the missiles, or even turn them into flowers inside of their silos...he doesnt care to if he truly cared about the human race, he couldve destroyed both sides ability to launch nukes...but like a true god, he doesnt work that way
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96 minute fan edit version where it's all in regular speed. PS. The Squid sucks ass.
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great point... i think the movie NEEDS the bodies... i can't believe that point hasn't been made before... you're fucking dead on--anyone who's read the book knows those panels are incredibly memorable and those images just stick in your mind. I'm holding out hope for mass amounts of gore and death at the end, and it's possible, because they (thank god) got the R rating... fantastic point.
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CHUD. "More reasonable fans understand that a giant alien squid wouldn't quite work in the movie."
How the fuck is that?
I hate anyone who thinks they can change the ending then rationailize how 'it wouldn't work' FUCK YOU. You could easily say "A glowing Blue super human wouldn't quite work in a movie" Fucking idiots. Did you see CLoverfield? Giant alien monsters can work, idiots.
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Your average American moviegoers just wouldn't get it.
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The Comedian gets killed for the same reason. Only in the Doc version he'll be a little more resigned to it than trying to come to terms with it.
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...why there is no squid. Think about it.
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wow, you put it so well... i can't believe no one's pointed that out until now. ;)
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The bodies issue was actually discussed at length in a WATCHMEN TB months ago. And--yeah--it's one of the reasons why I was underwhelmed by the trailer snippets of video showing the stereotypically nuclear holocaust-blasted NYC landscape that Jon and Laurie teleport into. The original Hayter script (which they seem to be following closely judging from the non-canonical Veidt/Dreiberg scene we've seen) features human victims being utterly disintegrated (like Jon was), making thousands upon thousands of shadow-Hiroshima imprints. I too want thousands upon thousands of *hideously contorted, bleeding corpses*. Anything else simply sucks--squid or no squid.Still... we shall see.
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Dr. Manhattan's indifference to stopping said missiles or bullets aside, it's insinuated in the book that in the event of an attack he would only be ABLE to stop 60% of the missiles from getting through. (I forget which scene this piece of data is from, maybe the warroom one with Nixon, it's been a few years). This INABILITY to stop all missiles is even mentioned in the clip from the movie released the other day when Ozy says "even Dr. Manhattan can't be everywhere at once." Again, it just seems that the way the character is built up to being immuned from the constrains of time and space, he'd be ABLE to stop as many missiles as either side has.
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I just hope the extended version will be worth watching. I'm looking forward to this one, so it better live up to the hype. That's all I'm sayin for now.
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Watchmen Boogaloo
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that comment in the interview made me want to send dr manhattan energy waves into that pompous asshole's office/bedroom
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Just make sure the cut you show in the theatres is good, and stop worrying about BD/DVD release dates.
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Dude, LOVE the username... with this kind of crowd on this kind of website, I'd be willing to be that that username was available for a LONG time. Well done.
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Oh, you're so clever, Snyder.
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...If they made Moby Dick a giant megalodon (because whales aren't scary)
...If they had Aragorn and Sauron fight over the ring with cool swords. (it's more exciting that way)
...If they made Soylent Green turn out to be delicious chocolate.
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I'm interested in what you wrote... but can you fill me in on what Miracleman and eclipse are? thanks.
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I find the knee-jerk "eat it, fanboys" reaction to be disingenuous, in particular because this and CHUD and every other site about this stuff is supported by fanboys. But the point is that the original series (I hate the term "graphic novel") had a definite story arc which ended in the final issue with the fricking squid. If Watchmen is literature, then it should be treated like it. Would Snyder change the ending of Hamlet?
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...was an English comic character originally known as Marvelman. In the 50s, the British created a character based on the original Captain Marvel, aka Shazam. (When it was printed in North America, Eclipse comics was forced to change the name to Miracleman). When he was starting out as a comics writer in the UK, Moore took the character and "reimagined" him in a way similar to his reimagining of the Charlton characters for Watchmen. It was pretty twisted and strange, and dealt with some of the same themes as Watchmen (whether superheroes are good for society, etc.) Unfortunately, you will probably never see these unless you get the original comics, because the rights to the character are in a legal purgatory. Hope that clears things up.
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but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest this whole squid debate has ran it's course. At the end of the day, for better or worse there's a watchmen screen adapation in existance. That's better than kick in the nuts, right?
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I appreciate you answering my question with such an informative post. I honestly don't know why we seem to butt heads so much, Kurt... it never seems to be personal, it just always seems to happen... i guess we can just agree to disagree, but again, thanks for taking all that time it took you to write that to answer my question. I will look for the torrent tonight.
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CHUD guys are funny. :)
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What's this about a squid? You do realize that for those of us who haven't read the comic, this squid debate sounds immensely silly. It seems they've traded shock value for something a little more... well, human.
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Then that's alright. It's your opinion. But try to understand the squid is cool for, not only wtf=value, but also it worked as a great homage to old comic monsters like Fin-Fang-Foom and crazy 50's sci-fi comics. If Watchmen the comic is pulling from that source material as a critique and expansion, why can't movie monsters be a part of this movie critique?
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I call upon AICN to do the same.
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Amen, and I would go further. The squid is cool for the reasons you said, but it's also needed because it was IN THE ORIGINAL. I'm not saying that they had to film the comic panel-for-panel, but if they're going to change it they should 1) have good reason for changing it, and not just "mainstream audiences wouldn't get it" and 2) replace it with something equally interesting. Framing Manhattan just seems silly, IMHO.
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http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2009/02/spoiler-alert-watchmen-is-fucking-awesome.html Now it's AICN's turn.
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Ok, (even though I stopped reading this tb about halfway down) I am willing to buy into the new ending.
But it still presents a problem: Veidt is the one behind the 'bombs' now, instead of the alien psycho squid. Ok. And we know from the trailers that Veidt MUST have still tried to 'eliminate' Doc because we see the scene where he is a giant and crashing his hand through the fortress roof, being all 'disappointed' in Veidt. So, knowing that, we have to assume that Doc was not a party to the 'bombs', and that Veidt simply developed some method to duplicate his 'energy' or some-such, thus making it LOOK like Doc was behind the attacks.
Problem is, Doc could (and would) easily simply appear everywhere in the world and make it clear that he was NOT responsible, and the Veidt was. Remember, one of the primary reasons Doc left in the first place was because of how disillusioned he was over what he perceived to be peoples' opinions of him, fair or not. So, was Veidt simply banking on his tachyon doohickey being truly able to take out DOc, and having no backup plan? Or was he assuming that Doc would (as it first appears in the book) simply recognize the logic and decide not to oppose the plan? Or does Doc simply know that it will all crumble anyway, as he knows that R's journal will be published anyway, thus dooming the world no matter what? (this one I would not buy, as that would mean Doc had no real reason to vaporize R to begin with) Anyway, the logic of making Doc be 'the mutual enemy' instead of an actual alien presumes that Doc would hav nothing to say about it. Again, worrisome, as if the pieces don't add up, as they do in the book, then the whole thing can deflate. -
My sentiments exactly.I see no reason why Manhattan wouldn't just crush Veidt and say the equivalent of "f*ck all, y'all." (although if he used those exact words, it would be pretty funny).
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BEST.ENDING. EVAR.
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I think that part of the point of the campaign to discredit Manhattan would [in the non-squid version] be to insure that Manhattan's denials of involvement would not be believed. "Hey, the guy who gives everyone cancer says he didn't destroy our cities, even though he was really pissed off at about the time the cities blew up." Or possibly Veidt believes that after he drives Manhattan away, he'll never come back. That way there's no "real" Manhattan to show up and issue any denials.
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Feb 20, 2009 11:31:06 AM CST
funny how NONE of the reviews complain about the ending lol.
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To say that the movie is great. When will AICN break the embargo? Come on, you know you want to.
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Yeah, so what. It's still stupid.
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Have at thee!
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his review reads like the shitty ones they post here. he talks about how he was late for the movie in the first paragraph. what shit. then a bunch of unrelated crap and then he tries to suck zach's dick from 40 ft away and fails.
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