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Glorious Quicktime Trailer for TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN smashes it's way with big booms online!
Hey folks, Harry here... Haven't really got a clue what the film's story arc is yet... I think, from the trailer, that more bad robots fall from the sky causing havoc. Shit goes boom. New Robots bigger than original robots. Problems occur. What plot do you gather from the trailer?
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I don't care about this film at all.
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Bale would be proud.
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Just a lot of badly edited Bayhem.
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Heroes journey? Joseph Campbell? <p> These concepts do not exist in this dojo.
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hahahahahahaha<p> oh, and...<p> hahahahahahahaha. ha.
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Can't wait to see Devastator tear shit up, & whatever they came up with for Soundwave & Jetfire. Should be fun.
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behg... baadaboom
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Wow... that really looks like garbage. Really hated what they have done with devastator if thats what the big wheel thing was. and it looks like we are going to have tonnes of frenzy like moments which i really hated from the first one. Not confident this is going to be good at all.
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the script went something like - Act 1 - boom Act 2 - boom Act 3 - sensitive introspective moment with a dash of hot female-age Act 4 - boom with a hint of boom
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has something to do with this resurrection stuff. Got a feelin'
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Let it out you second-placers.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST
There's that girl who is a transformer in disguize, right?
by ricarleite
Was this a spoiler or not? I can't tell.
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Acts implies a linear timeline. Bay just tells them to explode a truck when he says go.
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Looks good. But, I'm going to hold out until its hit Torrent...I can't afford a ticket.
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Decepticons come to Earth because Sam knows too much about them. More Autobots come to defend him. Michael Bay blows your eyes up and you don't have to wait ten years to see it. Avatar, I'm looking at you--Oh wait. I'm not.
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First one was total win this one looks even better.
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Basically this movie will be nothing but a use for HD and make $. It's sad. I regretfully watched the last one. A mess of SFX that were over-used and you couldn't tell which robots were which during any of the "fights." I can understand it shooting for fun, or just popcorn fodder, but it was boring and lame. It's Bay so you better know that going in. I will avoid this but it will cash in and no doubt spawn a sequel. To each their own.
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Looks BIG. But if the story sucks as bad as no.1 ... they'll only make half billion or so dollars.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST
the movie is missing Cyclonus, Quintessons, and Omega Supreme!
by Boomers_Lips
it's not a real Transformers movie without those characters.
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Yay for brainless POS Michael Bay movies! Terrible script and dialogue, ADD-riddled directing and editing, and idiotic action that is incomprehensible -- and that's just the trailer. Can't wait for the overlong, mind-numbing full feature.
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Yeah right.
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A nerdy man continues to develop his relationship with the "bad girl" of his high school, who he still fears is way out of his league in this tender coming of age tale set amidst the backdrop of giant robots blowing up major (non-american) landmarks. Your attention may be drawn towards the bright fires and billowing smoke, but the true transformer will be Shia's heart. Fallen love will have its revenge....
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...Nuff said.
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Go frame by frame. You'll see it transform.
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If you are looking to giant robot movies for plot, meaning, and a higher purpose, wise up. It is not going to happen. Quit your bitching and realize you are a niche market.
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...that's your "story arc."<p> I took a close look at the poster in my local theater, the Fallen head has symbols from various ancient languages all over it's pharoah headress thingy.<p> How anyone over the age of 12 likes these shit movies is way beyond me.
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Then how does the US army fit into this coming of age story?
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Robocop/Terminator are niche markets?
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Who needs plots when you've got action sequences and $200 mil? Not Michael Bay!
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that'd be sweet.
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Internalize that fact, hold your breath, and feel the burn culminating within you.
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We're looking for giant robot movies to be WATCHABLE. Apparently that's not going to happen either.
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He should just create a movie that is 2 hours of explsions. not rhyme or reason just random crap explodin'
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BA-BA-SPLOOM!
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It's actually a giant front-end loader. OF DOOM!
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At last, a Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen trailer we can watch online (I think too that this was also up on Traileraddicit.com after the Superbowl?) This is the kind of stuff, the visual treat we the fans here at AICN crave and like to see (this as well as potential movie spoilers/good gossip-rumors about possible movies and tv shows as well as onset spy reports!!) At last, something to look at and not some crappy-shitty link to a website that shows toys of what the characters in amovie look like!! Thank you Harry for posting this! Oh and..."What Plot do I gather" from this? Not much...except it looks like this sequel is going to be a LOT of fun, just like the first one (I know, I know!! It is Michael Bay...blah, blah, blah...He makes big dumb movies...blah, blah, blah...Transformers sucked (no it didn't)...blah, blah, blah..there are a lot of Michael Bay haters out there, but I plan to take this movie for what it will be..summer sci fi fun visual no brainer entertainment!) "Autobots! Roll Out!"
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Specifically, Michael Gay...
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Odd angular designs that make each robot look the same so that battles are incoherent. Ridiculous plot holes that have the military handing over the key to Earth's survival to kid and telling him to run. Transformers apparently have some temperature weakness where heat really bothers them, and cold incapacitates them, except when they enter atmosphere apparently. These super-agile robots can battle while moving super fast, but they trip over planters in the back yard. And urine jokes for good measure. That being said, I went in with really low expectations, had a great time, and bought the movie on BluRay. Bring on the sequel.
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It's a move about cars and trucks turning into killer robots. Hold of on the bitching and enjoy it for the mindless fun that it is. Don't put your own childhood shit on this. ITS A FUCKING MOVIE ABOUT A CAMERO THATS ACTUALLY A ROBOT. (sigh)
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BAYGASMS!!!
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No doubt. But I have to say, that money shot at the end looks really fuckin good. did you see the size of Prime hanging on for dear life? He looked like a little fucking doll.
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Go to it in all your parents-basement-dwellin, hairlip-havin, "Flames on Optimus Prime" spoutin, "FUCK MICHAEL BAY"-spewin glory!
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that was kind of a cool visual. I hope we get some steady shots during a fight sequence. Tether ball cam gives me motion sickness. True story. Shaky cam doesn't, just Michael Bay's swooshing and zooming.
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What AICN will be without the haters?
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Because the Fallen will be fucking our eyeballs with it’s giant moosecock in 2009!!!
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In the Transformers-verse, the Eiffel Tower is behind the Place De La Concorde.
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And when this makes 800 million worldwide, should we question or complain when we hear about Candyland or Stretch Armstrong The Movie? No. Enough "no brainer" blockbuster hits, and thats all the studios will put big money behind.
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As a kid. I grew up on TF, I the ORIGINAL Optimus Prime toy. When 'Bayformers' came out (as you all so dearly call it) I took the robot redesigns with a grain of salt. Megatron would've been dumb on screen if he transformed into a gun that another decepticon held and fired. Do you guys really hold an 80's cartoon which was basically a 30 minute afterschool toy commercial so high that you really think Michael Bay is doing a disservice to them? Have you gone back and watched some of the original episodes and their plots? And don't get me started on the animated TF movie (DARE TO BE STUPID) (YOU GOT THE TOUCH!). Ugh.. Fine, if that's the transformers you want, then go make your own TF movie. As for me I find Michael Bay's work on TF entertaining to watch and fun to experience. Break down this pillar you built for the plain jane red and blue Optimus and just have fun for once without being a nagging bitch all the time.
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the asshole continues to drink his coffee after shit explodes behind him! WOW! lol...
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I *HAD* the original Optimus Prime I meant to say. Rant revised!
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I'm glad they didn't leave that little plot thread dangling.
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I like the idea that around any corner on the planet there could be a transformer, "more than meets the eye" etc. No idea what the story is, but they're selling the spectacle over and above story here.
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Michael Bay may dribble a splodge of pre-cum on our eyeballs from his flaccid johnson, but Jim Cameron will unleash a Vesuvius-like geyser of semen on our retinas, straight from his laden iron balls. Go Avatar!!!
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I think the bell rang and your late for Ms Johnsons Math 70 class.
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Um, I think you have it the wrong way around, good sir. Mouth-breaters are the one's lining up for more of Michael Bay's Giant Robots Fighting Incoherently, solely because they eek a little joy out of what little is left in the shitty translation of their 80's TRANSFORMERS toys and cartoons and don't have the willpower to just not go. They are that hard up to re-live their childhoods, miserable bastards that they are now. This is also why the Star Wars prequels were a financial success and why G.I.Joe will be, too. It's all about name brand recognition and getting people into the seats before they wack you over the head and take your money.
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Star Trek 2, Poltergeist, ET, The Thing, Blade Runner, Conan, Tron, and so on. And maybe the closest to "turn your brain off to enjoy" is Tron, and even that had a subtext dealing with religion and facism. Now it's special effects and explosions.
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But this gets even a sliver of excitement? Really?
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Robot action looks much easier to follow. Again, this is a TEASER folks, but I'm glad to see Bay pulled the camera back for some of his action shots. Looking forward to this immensely.
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Wtf? So if an action blockbuster fails to be an entertaining action blockbuster I should just shut up because I'm asking for too much? Asking the film to be an entertaining action film is too much?
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or is it console only?<P>Oh, and since when did AICN report on non-interactive computer games?
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THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!!!<P>BIG FUCKING ROBOTS ARE COMING!!!<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!!!<P>BIG FUCKING ROBOTS ARE COMING!!!!
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Usual hate on this talk-back - pretty boring and laughable. <p> It shows some incredible CG transformations. It doesn't tell us whether the action sequences themselves will be incomprehensible like the last movie - so I remain hopeful (??) <p> More night-time = the CG might blend in better so less shaky-cam? Fingers crossed. <p> I dunno. There was nothing here that has altered by want to see this opening night and see if Bay has improved everything. <p> I remain hopeful; but the mainstream are going to eat this up regardless.
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The bartender says "Get the fuck out of here"
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I rented the first movie. Stopped it during the first big car-chase to go get a soda. Never resumed it.
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be something it's incapable of, i.e. recreating the emotional experience you had as a child playing/relating to these toys and cartoons, IS TOO MUCH.
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Is extremely laughable and proves the person criticizing is swayed more by personal bias than facts. Everything in the trailer looks like high quality CGI, not the shit you find in video games nowadays.
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how dare you sport that name and come on here with your bollocks of a post. The film was shit. End of. I didn't expect to see Megs as a gun. I don't give a fuck what colour Optimus is, I just want to see the characters I grew up with have, well character. And you are aware that the stories of these characters exists beyond a cheesy 80's cartoon?
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And Shia LaBeouf will die before it hits theatres and win a Golden Globe and Oscar, while millions of teeniegirls on the internet will cry about how influential and groundbreaking his role in Even Stevens was.
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Looks like he teleports into the desert in a blaze of fire?
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Their brains are so zonked and zapped by stupid forms of entertainment like Bay movies that they don't realize THEY are in fact the mouth-breathers. <p></p> And who cares if the mainstream will love this; such is not the measure of quality. If so, Britney Spears and McDonalds would be considered the pinnacle of quality.
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but do you think it dates a back-HO? Wakka wakka!
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Nail on head my friend. Nail on head.
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I read these comments about "fanboys" expecting too much. "It's a movie about giant robots kicking the shit out of each other, not Shakespeare." <p> We're not looking for Shakespeare. But we are looking for quality. <p> Regardless of it's origin (in this case a line of toys), it isn't too much to expect that a movie, any movie, have a coherent plot, believable characters within that world and...well...substance. <p> The origin of a movie is no excuse for bad writing or bad film making. Orci and Kurtzman wrote a turd of a script last time out and Bay was incapable of holding the camera still for more than half a second. That movie had plotholes, terrible dialogue, insane product placement and a hammy Jon Voight. <p> With the sequel, it's not too much to expect a solid movie that doesn't just rely on the special effect. Yes they are giant robots but they are also the central characters of the film. Treat them as such. <p> There is no reason whatsoever why a movie like Transformers has to be just style. It can and should have substance too.
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But this movie is based off an 80s cartoon created solely for selling toys. Anyone who hates on this movie has serious issues. Go and watch a movie about giant robots beating each other up. Try watching one of the Oscar nominees if youre looking for drama. Sheesh.
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Transformers 2 can eat my taint.
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for a transformers movie about transformers instead of 10 uninteresting human characters? is it too much to ask for no jokes about a robot peeing on someone's head? is it too much to ask for john tuturo to not act like a moron? i like michael bay movies, but transformers is one of the dumbest things i have ever seen.
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Let the man comment on the current status of BIG GIANT ROBOTS!<P>The time is now, AICN. Release him - make is so!
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I can understand the bitching about stupid dialouge and sub-par acting in the first Transformers movie, but the description of the action sequences as incoherant is way off. I wonder if the folks who say they can't follow the action sequences only watched a bit-torrent version on their ipod. On Blu-ray or Hd-DVD (Transformers being the reason I invested in the dead format instead of the right one- thanks again for the advice Harry) the action sequences are way easyer to follow than say- Batman begins, TDK, the Bourne Movies etc.- which everyone seems to give a pass on because Bay didn't direct them. Is it a stupid movie? Hell yeah? Does it have a silly plot? Yes, but the progression of events and they way they tie the four divergent storylines together ends up working in a plausable enough way, considering the incredibly silly premise. Go back and watch the first four episodes of G1 Transformers, then watch Bay's movie (On the largest, clearest screen you can find) and then tell me that Bay didn't improve on the source material while remaining faithful: Kid named Witwhicky gets a car; car turns into robot, plot revolves around finding cube/cubes; destruction ensues.
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All i get is a Quicktime .qtl file, and the damn trailer doesn't work. Can anyone explain what's wrong here? Thanks
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Special effects which take 48 hours to render a single frame don't pay for themselves. Besides, who wants to drink Mountain Dew after watching a vending machine get up and attack random people- that's hardly a ringing endorsement of the product. Methinks Mellow Yellow actually paid for that to happen.
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I swear, if Truffaut (spelling, I know) directed that movie, it would have looked strangely similar. Yes, I'm saying Bay is the heir aparant to the French New-Wave/verite' style of filmmaking. Just with robots, hot chicks, fat black guys and subliminal Mellow Yellow ads.
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Wasn't Devastator the tank in the first film?
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I can't get the HD versions to work. Any ideas?
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OK, fine...and what happened to Mountain Dew-Bot? Where did it go? One scene and it disappeared never to be seen again. Is it roaming the countryside, terrorising rival vending machines? Not only was the product placement too blatent, it resulted in a lame plothole.
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Twentieth Century Fox Licensing & Merchandising (Fox L&M) has selected Mattel, Inc. to develop a toy line inspired by one of the most anticipated films of the year -- James Cameron's Avatar. <p> Tapped as master toy licensee for the epic sci-fi film property, Mattel will create a line of action figures and vehicles scheduled to hit retail nationwide in October 2009, months in advance of the film's release in December 2009. The announcement was made today by Elie Dekel, Executive Vice President of Fox Licensing and Merchandising. <p> Mattel's Avatar toy line will feature heroes, creatures and vehicles straight from the blockbuster film. Each action figure or vehicle will come with a 3D web tag, bringing a new level of interactivity to Mattel's newest action play line. Utilizing a computer's webcam, consumers can "scan" the web tag, unlocking special content unique to the product, like bio information on action figures and creatures, virtually on a home computer. <p> "'Avatar' is one of the biggest and most anticipated films of 2009," said Dekel. "The new universe created in the film is everything one would expect coming from the mind of James Cameron, one of the most accomplished creators and filmmakers of our time. In bringing this fantastic new universe to life in toys, it was essential that we partner with the world's biggest and best, Mattel. Mattel's abilities to continually innovate and strategically grow a toy brand over many years will be core to our long-term strategies." <p> "Mattel has a long history of teaming up with some of Hollywood's biggest blockbusters, and it continues with our partnership with 'Avatar,'" said Tim Kilpin, GM for Boys, Girls & Games, Mattel, Inc. "Developing toys for a movie as anticipated and innovative as 'Avatar' allows us to push the envelope with our own innovation and design to produce an exciting, engaging lineup of products." <p> Jon Landau, producer of Avatar added, "I am a firm believer that a great toy program, done right and with the right creative collaboration can extend the movie experience. Jim and I have been working intimately with both Fox L&M and Mattel to ensure that this will be a top-notch innovative toy line-up. We have seen the products and can't wait for their release." <p> More than 10 years in the making, Avatar marks Cameron's return to feature directing since helming 1997's Titanic, the highest grossing film of all time and winner of eleven Oscars® including Best Picture. Avatar is an epic adventure film where ex-marine Jake Sully is torn between duty and honor when he finds himself caught in a battle between the heavily armed forces of Earth's most powerful star-faring consortium and an exotic, noble alien race whose entire world is threatened by the human invaders. <p> The Avatar cast includes Sam Worthington, Zoe Saldana, and Sigourney Weaver. Academy Award-winning visual effects house, WETA Digital, renowned for its work in "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy and King Kong, will incorporate new intuitive CGI technologies to transform the environments and characters into photorealistic 3D imagery that will transport the audience into the alien world rich with imaginative vistas, creatures and characters.
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Isn't that what it's supposed to be? Bring it on. Blow shit up, Mike!
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How else can TB's be explained? Surely they aren't based on quality.
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YAY! Yumm, yumm...eeeeat em' up!
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Baysplosions!<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/baysplode
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Feb. 16, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST
MY EYES HAVE SEEN THE GLORY OF THE COMING OF
by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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Avatar 3: Mo-Capyo Drift
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so which one is Devestator?...the robot with the wheel?...and it still looks like it's gonna be hard to follow the action scenes
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idolises Cameron. Bay spent all his time on The Rock pestering Ed Harris and Michael Biehn for stories about The Abyss.
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trailer looks pretty dark and badass but still fucking blurry. I'll wait til it's on the apple site.
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NONE of the people in this talkback complaining about the first film have claimed it was because of what you're saying. NO ONE is asking for the 80s cartoon perfectly transfered into live action. <br><br> ALL the criticisms are perfectly reasonable requests you would expect from an entertaining blockbuster. Can people please stop saying that the Transfomrers haters wanted Shakespeare, that is not the case at all.
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Like she would actually marry someone other than Shia's character.
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never really watched the cartoons so couldn't care less about the history of transformers. All i can say is the first film was utter shit. No story, couldn't distinguish what was going on during the boring action scenes. it was pure fucking crap. This trailer looks like more of the same. meh...
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This is by far the most ironic statement I've read her in a way. It belongs aside "mouth-breathing Ratner haters" and "mouth-breathing Sommers haters". Seeing as how Bay's films are extremely shallow compilations of MTV quick-cuts of high velocity calamities and explosions shot via energy drink commercial camera filters, I think it's safe to say that Bat lovers are the mouth breathers, and the Bay haters are simply the people who are unable to send their brain on a 2 hour lunch break at will.
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you know, the ones that make it hard to tell whats going on or hard to tell who is who? they're all different colors or least different color combinations, how can you NOT tell em apart? but more importantly, if this movie is suffering from the same negative aspects that you didnt like about the first, then why even bother posting here at all? do i live in a special part of the world where people dont waste their time on topics they have no interest in?
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I'm not saying the dew-bot didn't make me cringe with its lameness, I was merely pointing out that sudios no longer have the kind of capital it takes to fund $300million movies directly out of pocket. They are required more and more often to include products, not just in the scenes, but directly into the "plot". It sucks, but it's a reality of the business, especially with summer tentpole releases (Although i'm noticing it on a lot of animated shows lately) You have to admit that the Cadillac Escalade eating its drivers was a much less awkward product placement, worked in the context of the movie, and was funny. I'm thinking that if you wanted to see the furhter adventures of the Dew-bot so badly, the porduct placement might have worked better than you think. ;-)
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There will be a film which consists of one explosion in slow motion lasting 90 minutes which follows the words "Directed by Michael Bay".
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I lawled. Also, FMB wants to fuck Michael Bay 3 times again. You go girl!
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It's not that we have no interest in the movie, we do. Everyone here wants the film to be good. I want Bay to knock it out of the park. <p> But when we see something that we don't like or have concerns about then we are just as entitled to voice those concerns as you are to praise Bay. That's the whole point of a talkback...to...uh...talk...back...
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You mean like Truffaut's "Breathless"? Or more like Eisenstien's "Potemkin"?
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Turds that can transform into delicious looking food and back again. I hate Michael Bay. Can't the man just LISTEN to what we want? Does he have any idea how much MORE money he could make if he stayed true to the cartoon? Arrogant prick, worthless giant head. Hey Michael do us all a favor and blow yourself up. Turd.
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though nothing is wrong with loving a bat.
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Actually I don't drink Mountain Dew...I do own 4 Nokia phones though :P
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but...the movie is done, its finished. so nothing will change these faults those of you are seeing. so either go see it or dont but why keep on complaining about problems that cant be changed? and considering the success of the first movie, if anyobody really thought they'd try something different well come on..its hollywood afterall.
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Yup. Because Michael Bay is EXACTLY like Truffaut and Eisenstien.
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Because if we complain enough, maybe Dreamworks will listen and fire Bay and get someone else to do the third movie and...oh wait...yeah, Hollywood. <p> As long as the action scenes aren't messy, the dialogue isn't ridiculous and the plot is solid then it should be a fun film.
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Set on an empty soundstage which represents a Swedish fishing village, and shot entirely on a mini DVcam, a young man named Samuel Witwhicky (Peter Stomare) discovers his new wheel-barrow is actually a robot in disguise (it remains in disguise throught the film). With his new alien friend, Witwhicky romances a local washer woman (Bjork) until her husband Megatron(Stellan Skarsgard) discovers their affair and kills them (offscreen) with an oyster knife. People will prefer this version of Transformers to Bay's, as it only contains two cuts, and no confusing action or explosions. Anthony Anderson is still in it though, that guy is in everything.
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All that complex, detailed CG work is wasted in quick cuts, tight close-ups and dark, shaky camera work. It made the first one supremely irritating, and it looks like this is more of the same. Can we have at least one locked-down, wide-angle shot so we can get the sense of scale or integration? Or is all that manic camera work meant to hide things? An inability to stage action sequences elegantly perhaps? Mr. Bay's insistence to numb us with his frenetic energy has overstayed its welcome years ago.
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The effects in the trailer don't look too bad, I'll admit, but I'm tired of Shia LeBeouf. Beyond tired of him. He was never a good leading man in any movie, and this is more of the same.<p> I was hoping Caruso's "Eagle Eye" would give Shia something to sink his teeth into, but it didn't. More Shia acting like an actor who was trying really hard to make us believe he was a real character. The guy has no flow whatsoever. He's braindead teenage smiley boy incarnate.<p> Damn, I'm so fucking sick of him.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST
HARRY'S GIF - what's that "fries/finger" scene from again?
by Ray Gamma
remind me please
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It's actually FMB eating a bowl of Michael Bay's dicks.
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Fingers are from The Hitcher
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Feb. 16, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST
Mr Lahey: Actually it's you ramming your Mom's dick...
by FuckMichaelBay
...in your own ass.
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memories
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...to comment on a movie.
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Thank you for your help
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You know talkback needs him right about now. Yes, yes, giant robots for all. <p> Trailer pretty much looked like I thought it would, with Bay's eye for awesome destruction in full effect. It may suck, but there was some amazing shit going on in that clip -- especially that chilling scene of the sinking aircraft carrier. <p> Since I have no feelings whatsoever for the original cartoons, I didn't feel cineraped by the movie version and enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Therefore, I will see the new one -- albeit on DVD.
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eschewing content, I'd say his movies have more to do with those guys (stylistically) than any other directors of the last hundred years. I'm dead serious, if Bay was making movies the way he does, only on a smaller scale ($1million budgets or lower) independant film geeks would cream their pants over his style. Because he's given a bigger sandbox to play in, he tends to crap in that sandbox (Pearl Harbor, Armegeddon, The Island) as often as he builds something spectacular (Transformers, The Rock).30 years ago, film snobs derided Spielberg for being too flashy and show-offy in his films, and while I admit that Bay isn't yet in Spielberg's league, the stuff he does well (action, splosions, action) is way too good to dismiss just because of the things he handles poorly (dialogue, realism, establishing shots).
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"Fucking your ear canals in 2009" It's going to be loud with metal twisting, crushing, grinding, bending, explosions, blast waves....
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...KEEP MEMORIES-OF-MURDER IN TALKBACK PRISON!!!
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The Bay haters who will actually go see this come back here and bitch about how bad it was. It is funny to me because so many people hate Bay movies yet still go to see them, no not all his haters do that, but anyone who really hates Bay's movies should not go see his movies, why would you go see a movie made by a guy you hate? Just so you have something to bitch about? That is so fucking retarted. Anyone who hates Bay yet still sees his movies is a jackass, you are giving money to a guy who's movies you hate so he can make more movies. I know I said this in another TB, but christ, I get so tired of seeing all this complaining, if you hate Bay, DONT GO SEE HIS MOVIES, plain and simple. Oh and by the way, FUCK AVATAR, when the fuck are we going to see anything remotely interesting from that fucking movie, just goes to show you how arrogant Cameron has become, he thinks he can ride on his rep and people will just go see his movie. Well fuck that, give me something to interest me in this movie because I am not at all interested, and that goes for a lot of other people I know. Secrecy is one thing, but Cameron is taking it to far, fuck Avatar.
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simple question. this flick looks fucking badass btw...bugnuts
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That REALLY made me laugh. Cheers, playa.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST
I wonder if I got a flu and can't breath through my nose...
by DerLanghaarige
...for a few days, if this makes me dumber. I mean, now I have to breath with my mouth.<p> Seriously, "mouth breather" might be the most senseless insult in the whole wide world.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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...do you really think Cameron isn't going to show you anything before AVATAR hits the theater? We're still many months away, you know. Come on, man.
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Sorry, wrong movie.
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i can't believe you guys make fun of him! he really made me believe that there was a prison camp for kids and that those holes in the ground really existed! he made me BELIEVE that three lovely women worked in a private detective agency and rode dirtbikes! he MADE ME BELIEVE that if you have hair like an animal (even if those animals really don't have hair like that) that they automatically come to your aid and make you their king!<P>and actually, he was pretty good in battle of shaker heights, because he basically played me.
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It's the 16th and I wanna finally know who won the Jack Brooks Soundtrack! (And no, I'm not sarcastic!)
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i didn't watch it all the way through,i thought it was a bad reference to carl from slingblade eating 'french fried taters...unn-hunnnm'
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If you hate this before you see it and then you watch it and you wind up not hating it as much as you insist you will then you must eat your own head.<p>Don't be a playa heyta. Little salt and it'll go down like oysters dipped in melted rabbit shit. Take the bet!
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Who saw Gizmo Duck from Duck Tales in that trailer?
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I have no doubts he is going to show us stuff, but why the fucking wait? Why all the damn secrecy? Why are the images that have been released been so lame and generic? Start getting people really excited, and I mean normal people who don't worship the ground Cameron walks on. I have been a bit harsh in some of my posts, because I honestly like Cameron as a film maker, but the secrecy and the fanboy dick sucking rants about getting eyeball fucked and all of that bullshit just pisses me off. It's one thing to get excited about Cameron making a movie, but to basically declare it the holy grail of the 21st century without having seen jack shit from it is retarted and short sighted and makes me not want to see it, no matter how good it may seem to be. But the movie geek in me will probably see it regardless, I guess I just need to vent my frustrations sometimes.
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I'll let the rest of the flaws go and just shut up if you tell me Megatron is some kind of Tank like thing seeing as I can't get a gun. Also give Megatron his arm cannon back.
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JIZZED IN MY PANTS
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agreed. he was even a tank in one of the generations of the toys, wasn't he? he is supposed to represent violence, ergo, something that fires something to destroy. not some confusing looking thing that kind of flies sometimes. fuck, nevermind, i can't believe i'm trying to convince bay of anything. fuck it. it's done.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST
How can you fat fucks not think this is the sickest shit ever?
by dr sauch
Come on. Drink a Mountain Dew and join the party fatties.
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I think I saw it too.
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At least I'm not the only one! Hopefully we'll see some Gizmo Duck vs. Devestator. That would be the shit.
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Seriously, that guy's a troll. <br><br>TomBodet at least offered competition. Lahey's like shooting stupid fish in a barrel.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST
Q: "How can you fat fucks not think this is the sickest shit eve
by FuckMichaelBay
A: If you mean "sick" as in "illness" than I agree: IT IS THE SICKEST MOVIE EVER!<br><br>If you mean "sick" as in slang for cool...the answer is: I have a brain.
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Dude, "Breathless" was Godard, not Truffaut. Or Jim McBride(the Gere version)if you want to be cheeky. Cool name, BTW: "Boy George. She wears underwear with dickholes in'em." Classic Chapelle. I don't grasp the Sommers hate. "Van Helsing" had a decent enough story and Hugh Jackman brings the right amount of panache to the part. Some chided it for taking liberties with the Universal monsters. Clearly those same individuals haven't seen "The Monster Squad".
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Micheal Bay said so.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST
For everyone saying "You'll all see it opening night anyway!"
by IndustryKiller!
I didn't see it in theaters. Nor did I even rent it. I watched it on an airplane, and no I didnt even buy the headphones I had my own. I didn't give a fucking dime to see this film. So go fuck yourself, you have no idea what you are talking about. Moreover watching a film to see for yourself is only a confirmation of its quality to the brutally ignorant.
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JIZZED. IN. MY. PANTS. </P> <P> </P> <P> Would you like to know what I've just been told?
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Is it that you're an idiot?
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Looks like I got under someone's spamming, trolly skin. Sorry you got butthurt on the internet!
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was that really necessary? what did i say to offend your delicate sensibilities?
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Surely it can't be MY fault if you have had your head stuffed so far up your own colon that you don't know about the "JIZZED. IN. MY. PANTS" meme.
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..that you're not sure you actually saw a transformers movie at all.. just a bunch of CGI trashcans compacting and uncompacting at high speed.. yeh it'll make a billion bucks and nobody with a brain will continue to give a fuck. It could be more..but hey, retards here are happy with their 'splozions
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Honestly, you're so cool dude. They way you dropped the f-bomb to let us all know how little you care about this stupid Hollywood shit. I mean fucking a, if there's no redeeming quality to a movie besides visual appeal and digestible, good natured humor/drama, then why should we waste our time on it? We all have so much more important stuff to do besides have fun. Fuck fun. Also bro, the way to brought economic risk-utility analysis into this was so fucking sweet that I nearly ripped off my own nutsack. Goddamn you're awesome. Who would EVER spend $10 to see some robots fight for two hours, possibly while high. Not IndustryKiller. He's going to give that money to orphans. Orphans with DISEASES. Bravo. Bravo.
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Avatar footage next month.
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Understood. But relax; it's not worth blowing a gasket over. Especially when there is all kinds of alleged coolness coming our way soon.
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has still footage from the trailer of the motorcycle transformers. No wonder Bay is so bitchy about the new terminator movie, he's just now releasing footage of the same stuff terminator has been showing us for a couple months. Now which one is going to have a better story? Ahh, i'm just kidding, Michael Bay doesn't need a good story, so who cares right?
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And he will have some sort of new right arm/cannon. Even I've seen this on the internets, girls.
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My eyes glazed over just watching the trailer.
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I'm not going to begin to explain to you who I got this information from, because certain people's careers would be rudely cut short. But I've just been sent an interesting email from someone here in London who has without doubt a genuine channel to the Avatar production. (Let's say, if he wanted to play the "Kevin Bacon game" with "James Cameron", he would literally get there in three steps. </P> <P>This might not sound like much, but he says the really big thing about this movie, the thing that is "THE big game-changer" that they are all banging on cryptically about, is actually the ENVIRONMENTS. He basically said he's heard that the places and landscapes etc are the "eyeball-fucking" thing, not so much the characters, contrary to what everyone has been speculating. </P>
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Prime plugging the ozone hole?<p>Ratchet curing cancer?<p> Maybe Soundwave turns good and cures all wars with some John Lennon remix?<p>They are alien robots that fight, this is what they always did, this is what they do in the film.<p>I understand individual choice but moaning about what something could be instead of focusing on what it is means you will never be satisfied. <P>Is that intentional to feed the flame anger?
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At least 3 or 4 shots were either from the first movie or exactly the same as. Probably because there's only so much you can do with Soldiers vs Robots vs Teenager. And that final one of the huge smashing through the bridge looks completely fake and shitty. You can tell they used a tiny little model for all of that shit and then added the monster after Bay took a green sledgehammer to the model. It looks fucking awful. Be realistic.
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That's what I've been hearing, too. It's supposed to be a more immersive, virtual reality-type effect as opposed to a things flying at you in 3D-type thing.
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That's a link to Yahoo with the same shit resolution from a couple days ago.
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Stop the bullshit. Unless you never ever see the inside of a cinema, buy or rent discs and only watch new movies on planes or free downloads, you would have definitely paid money to see Transformers. Don't give me that crap that A.I.C.N's most outspoken Transformers fan (original tv series, comic books, probably toys as well) otherwise would have skipped that film. Oh, and very cool you had your own headphones with you man, that bit of info really impressed the hell out of me.
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argh, yet another that I don't get the reference!
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It has to happen.
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He SAW the movie. That means Bay wins.<P>ZINGER!
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Yea I feel better now LOL
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...for a plate of macaroni and cheese, with chips (fries, to you americans), and a large blob of tomato ketchup. This I would enjoy with a tall glass of cold fizzy Vimto. </P> <P>It's honestly hovering in front of me, like one of those translucent Pavlovian hamburgers/chickens that so often take the place of someone's head for a brief moment in cartoons where two protagonists are stranded on a desert island and one of them looks at the other, licking his lips in a state of extreme hunger.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST
I read hte script ahead of time Jaws and I know bay films
by IndustryKiller!
The script was literally the worst I had ever read and Michael bay cannot direct action sequences to save his life. he's just terrible at it. So I know the Transformers were short changed, the human characters were awful and there were far too many of them, and that the action on screen would be horrendously shot. So I felt quite comfortable skipping it. It happened to be playing on a flight I was on about a month after its release. I added the headphones thing not to impress you, which I dont think is all that hard given your stance on Bay, but to show you that I didnt even have to give the three bucks to the airline to see this crap.
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I wouldnt lower myself to see this crap. It has nothing to do with giant robots though, love em as much as the next guy, and everything to do with terrible scripts, bad directing, and the fact that a Transformers movie has almost nothing to do with its namesake. You wanna take offense to that then its your own self consciousness about it that is what offends you.
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I never talked back but the amount of bull and extreme negativity just to be a bigger asshole than the previous one just baffles me... It's just incredible how out of touch 99% of you are with reality and how people how don't need medication to bring their endorfine level up received this trailer and the previous movie for that matter. I'm a die-hard transformers fan and enjoyed the living shit out of the first movie. Of course it had flaws... but none of the flaws came remotely close of making this a piece of crap. I saw science fiction haters turn to fans of the movie, G-1 die-hards, collectors, adult women who never saw a single episode... all LOVED it. in fact, the only people who i seen hating the previous movie are right here... how the hell can you hate on this trailer? It gives a TRUE fan much more than he could hope for. Maybe it's because i'm not american and the movie was received differently out here, but it was a movie for the MASSES and the masses LOVED it... which makes it a success and a damn good movie. And if you hated the previous movie so much, why waste all this energy bashing everything transformers movie related? leave it the fuck alone, go to your local art house and get your fix there.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST
Its funny how you bitch that "hat0rz will see it anyway!"
by IndustryKiller!
And then when someone speaks up and says no, in fact I did not see this in theaters, it suddenly becomes "Oh big man, he doesn't HAVE to see something in theaters. Oh how fuckin cooooool you are big man!" Just goes to show the roundabout non-argument style of the modern apologist.
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PS3 on /v/
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and totally into what it really is.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST
"the masses LOVED it... which makes it a damn good movie."
by IndustryKiller!
Yup, I guess that makes Paul Blart: Mall Cop the first masterpiece of 2009. What kind of ridiculous populist bullshit way is this to rate a film? i guess when you have literally nothing else.....
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matter if there is a plot? everything will be too close to understand what's going on anyway. unfortunately my gf loves the first one, so i'll probably be there
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I posted above about my craving for macaroni with cheese, and NOBODY wants to discuss it?
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But I have no doubt in my mind this movie will suck. Actually, it will be better than the first. The first sucked because it showed no understanding whatsoever of what Transformers really is. They should've just called it Big Robots or something, but because they called it Transformers yet made it a stupid movie more about stupid human plot characters and poorly designed and shot robots the movie failed in any real sense. I will say though that Transformers was entertaining when I just allowed myself to take it for what it was (who says a good script is important, lol- of course I'm being sarcastic here) and not what it should have/ what I wanted it to be. Alas, I have no doubt that G.I. Joe will fail in the same way. But back to the trailer, again it's a cool looking trailer no doubt. And I think the sequel will be about 10X better than the original. But I'm still not holding my breath because the filmmakers have shown that they do not get Transformers, but rather see the name as a recognizable brand that can be exploited for big bucks. Just my opinion. Lastly, I REALLY hope Avatar delivers. In fact, I need it to deliver. I really do.
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perhaps you should just make yourself some
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fucking your eyeballs in '09. Avatar and Cameron will simply dry hump your eyeballs.
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... I mean no offense, but you've got me curious about something. Why, exactly, would someone who didn't watch the first "Transformers" live-action film bother posting about the trailer for the second installment? Also; is it safe to assume your line regarding those who "did not see this in theaters" has nothing to do with whether a person watched the first project on CD (or another medium)?
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have a bunch of Harrys dressed as Japanese schoolgirls jump in front of a subway train, but the train just bounces back!
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... It is going to be Harry in close-up, about to deliver a line, then distracted by a crew member who walks into his line of sight. It will be a nice animated GIF, but then the animated GIF will be over, professionally.
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Michael Bay is a God.
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The kids and I liked the last one and this one looks like good summer fun as well. Bay does what he does well which is action flicks where shit blows up real good. So dilute the Hater-ade and just enjoy a fun summer movie.
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Have fun doing coke in HELL with Alan Thicke while Tony Danza tounges your balls Michael Bay!
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Michael Bay is a hack. The only thing he can do is make things explode. He raped my childhood. Anyone who likes Michael Bay's movies are obviously retarded. I'm such a cool, film-savvy dude because I hate Michael Bay. Fuck Michael Bay. Even though I hate Michael Bay, chances are I'll be at the first showing when his stupid new movie comes out. God, I hate him.
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1. "It focused on humans more than the Transformers." <p> A valid point, but not one you can really use as a reason for why the movie sucks. Bay was right in thinking that the majority of the audience that knows nothing about Transformers would need human characters to relate to. This point might be why you don't like the film, but can not be used as a reason why it "sucks". <p> 2. "The robots were indistinguishable" <p> I *partially* agree with this sentiment. The first time I saw this, I didn't get the difference bt Ironhide and... shit, whatever the yellow ambulance's name was. But those are the only two confusing Transformers. Bumblebee, Optimus, Megatron, Jazz, Devastator, Starscream, the police car and the blackhawk helicopter are ALL easy to pick apart in a crowd. Its a weak argument. <p> Now I wish they had prettier faces, but I imagine Bay and his team saw these faces so often during production that they picked up the nuances that define each character, whereas its much harder for an audience the first time they see it. I'll admit, the more times I've seen the film, the easier it is to distinguish between the bots and the easier it is to make out their faces. <p> 3. "Flames on Optimus Prime!" <p> So stupid a criticism, I refuse to comment on it. <p> 4. "Camera is too close, action hard to define." <p> Another point I partially agree with. The first time I saw it, SOME shots were a bit confusing bc there was so much to process within them. But I say only *some*, and those scenes occurred during the massive street battle at the end. The fight bt Bumblebee and the Police car doesn't count bc they weren't the focus of the sequence- the humans vs Frenzy was. <p> And for all we'e seen so far, it looks like Bay pulled the camera way back so we get a better sense of the robot's scale compared to the rest of the world, something that was done well when Optimus and Devastator fell off the overpass (the rest of the movie needed more shots like that). <p> "Stupid humor". <p> C'mon guys, if you said this, then you probably hate Bay to begin with, bc he has moments like that in EVERY single one of his films. The soldiers on the phone with a customer service agent in India, while in the midst of battle, is pretty typical of a Bay film. The Bumblee "peeing" scene was straight out of Bay's head- he thought it was funny. Some agree, some don't. But having a scene where a giant transforming robot leaks fluid all over a human doesn't make the film "bad". <p>And that's all I can think of so far. I believe the majority of these criticisms come from people that hate Bay to begin with, or from superfans that want a live-action adaptation of the cartoon series (which this was never intended to be in the first place). <p> The story is simple and ridiculous, but so is the concept. I give the filmmakers respect for putting so many human characters into their film, something that added to the "epic" scale of the story, but also added moments of intimacy between characters. You don't find many big blockbusters that even try that sort of thing.
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we won't actually be at the first showing. or any other showing. i don't even remember anything from the first transformers movie at all, even though i accidentally watched it on tv last year. i remember the bit where a group of robots standing in a street sort of make some sort of epic verbal introduction, which was entertaining. but the whole of the second half of the film is completely lost in my head. nope. don't remember a thing about it. it had lots of fast CGI things flashing around too quickly for my ageing brain, i couldn't begin to keep up with the edits even if you injected cocaine straight into my visual cortex and slowed time itself with a tame black hole. in other words, the whole film was pointless on every level.
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This summer is a lost season as far as I am concerned. I will not pay to watch another Michael Bay Transformers film after the first one was an unwatchable travesty. You people obviously weren't watching the same movie because the one I saw was fucking garbage and an insult to human intelligence. Bumblebee is sad because he's an old camaro, but wait, with a little Kill Bill music and a closeup of the emblem and we got a Chevy commercial. Never mind that the shit with the Jesus and Angelina Jolie's dad was a bunch of aweful acting and dialogue, this movie blows stuff up and it star's America's douche bag, or sweet heart I mean, Shia Lebouf. Throw in some racial stereotypical characters and some massive explosions and you got yourself a Bay-tastic summer film. Throw in some slow motion and some Prodigy music and you got McG. Coming soon, by two of the six writers of Diasaster Movie. Rob Schneider is.... a Robot... and he's about to find out that being a Robot is harder than it looks... Rob Schneider stars in Robot Movie, rated PG-13.
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"we won't actually be at the first showing, or any other showing." Which brings me to my point: Why the fuck are you people taking "precious" time out of your day to regularly post on the Transformers talk back? The only thing I can think of is that you all have some sort of morbid fascination with bashing Bay. I can imagine you all typing a thousand words about why you hate the movie, or Bay, then sliding back from the keyboard with a smug grin on your face thinking, "Heh, I showed THEM!"
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I can't wait to see Fenella the Kettle Witch show up. <br> <br> the gay design team on this turd wouldn't know a cool robot design if it was tattooed on the back of one the boys they were doing.
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in every one of his films he makes them work the same way that a crappy street magician confuses you by briefly flashing a pack of cards in front of your eyes so quickly and closely that you can't focus and take in the fact that it's actually a bogus pack of cards full of jokers.
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Its fucking DINO RIDERS. Bring it on!
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i thought transformers was going to be crap because the source was crap but he turned it into something really cool.
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Goddard directed breathless. If you're going to throw film theory around to impress, you might want to get your facts straight. Looks like someone needs to go back to film school...haha.
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Or the cigarette chick for that matter?<P>The first movie grew out of a story about a boy and his first car. The reasons why the robots had an interest in Sam was because he held a map to the allspark. By the story's resolution, the good robots won the day, Sam got the girl and even got to borrow the car for an unspecified period of time.<P>I can understand why Sam is initially involved when things start to hit the fan in TF2 since he has some tangential relationship with Bumblebee. But wouldn't that take an abrupt backseat when boss Optimus rolls back into town? The Autobots no longer have need for Sam since he had already handed over the glasses. What kind of robot authority is Sam anyhow? He pretty much winged it along with every other character during act 3 of TF1. Wouldn't that be Sector 7's bailiwick?<P>I don't understand how Sam's unintended and one-time involvement can result in an all-access security clearance throughout TF2.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST
I'm glad you pretty much agree with the criticism D. Vader
by IndustryKiller!
Let me elaborate for you:<P> 1. You are telling me if the film concentrated on just Sam that the audience wouldnt have had that avatar and human point of reference? Of course they would have. The movie goes off on FAR too many human tangents robbing the film of the Transformers part of Transformers. The whole point and what made the cartoon and comic so great was that the robots themselves had their own dynamic. Even a human could relate to it. You didnt really need human characters as a frame of reference. Do you need a human character in most Pixar films like Monsters Inc or Finding Nemo? Of course not. But like I said, Sam would have been plenty, especially considering he was the ONLY worthwhile human character. The others just make the film meander needlessly. <P> 2. it seems you pretty much agree here. Saying Bay and hte crew looked at the robots so much that they could tell the difference is meaningless, its a classic apologist argument. It still doesn't make those designs worthwhile. And just to dispel the bullshit about wanted the identical G1 designs, Im all for updating the originals. Its completely necessary. but what they came up with was ridiculous and completely devoid of personality.<P> 3. Agreed, its far too aesthetic and meaningless to the overall design of the character. Although you gotta admit it is a silly aesthetic choice.<P> 4. I dunno what Bay is gonna do with this film, i dont think he has anywhere to go but up, but the action in the first film is terrible. <P> 5. Yeah stupid humor is part of all Bay films, that doesnt in any way excuse it. nor does anyones opinion just because they dont like Bays other films. Ive explained my distaste for the mans work in excruciating detail. ive justified it to a fault. he's a bad filmmaker, period. No one does character worse than Michael Bay. If you think there were moments of intimacy with any human character who wasnt Sam you are just making that shit up in your head. And the film could have eschewed 90% of the human characters and remained epic (as if epic means shit without character and well shot action to back it up) by moving that focus to the actual robots, who are supposed to be far more than eye candy.
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Stop trying to incorporate logic into Bay films. It just doesn't work. Things are because they are.
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Stop the michael bay hate! So many of you act like he has lured you into a movie that is supposed to be an academy award contender. Things go BOOM... special fx that looks great on the bigscreen... mindless action with no plot... But the REAL losers are the ones who see this and call it shit, yet they proceed to complain about how some transformer doesn't look like the original transformer...blah blah blah. I saw the first transformer and was entertained... that's all i care about... but you are a HUGE LOSER if you call this shit but then show that you know what the transformer should look like, and how do you know this? because you're a loser who watched the cartoons.
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Bay lives and dies with the AWESOME factor... die hard 4, or any of the transporter movies make ZERO sense and border on the abserd... so i got a tip for all you bay haters: stop expecting answers to plot points... if something happens, there need not be an explanation-- "What!?!? He drove a car into a helicopter!?! Why?" "because its AWESOME. that's why. douchebag."
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and yes, i do know that Bay didn't do die hard 4 or the transporter... my point still applies.
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bad robots cause havoc, good robots try to stop them. special human helps good robots, good ones win. roll credits
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1. It can be used as a reason since each and every character that wasn't Sam was used for comedic affect or as an "idiot plot" device.<P>2. Yet you make the case by referring to robots as "the police car and the blackhawk helicopter" and "shit, whatever the yellow ambulance's name was." These were characters in a movie yet evidently made a zero lasting impression on you.<P>3. It was such an obvious, unnecessary "improvement" on the character made to serve no distinguishable purpose that I don't need to comment on it either.<P>4. This is entering the realm of subjectivity. The only robot fight scene that was clear to me was the fight on the highway. Everything else looked like the cat caught in the christmas tree.<P>Your comments about Bay's filmmaking style do nothing to allay my opinion that he was the wrong person chosen to adapt this material.<P>I personally never wanted a live-action adaptation of the cartoon series. I wanted a live-action adaptation of the comic book. The source material where Ravage and Laserbeak aren't mute and the Dinobots aren't retarded.<P>This property may have been borne of a 30-minute toy commercial, but it grew well beyond such confines in another medium. Other examples include Rom the Spaceknight and Micronauts. These were also toys that didn't get the 30-minute commercial treatment, but the comics were equally intricate as they were kickass. TF1 could have been the same. You were cheated.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST
as long as that black marine from the 1st isn't in this movie
by Stengah
I'll watch it. Seriously, that dude should've died at some sort of collission accident on the set of fast and the furious 2.
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I'll try to address both of you as best I can. <p>1. Going back to the main premise that Bay and company grounded this movie with lots of human characters for the audience that knows nothing about Transformers- Smart. Pixar films don't count as those are inherently about something other than humans. Yes, you could ground the film with one character- Sam, and maybe his girlfriend, but that's not this movie. That's not the movie Bay wanted to make. This isn't just about a boy and his car. This is about, in a sense, alien invasion, and so the film is balanced by scenes of the boy and his car and scenes of the government attempting to get a handle on the situation. My point was that many pple say "not enough transformers!", but the lack of Transformers is not enough to criticize. We also have to take into account just how *expensive* it would be to have more scenes with Transformers in it. We'd either get a massively inflated budget, or we'd get shoddier FX work as a whole. <p>2. I call them "police car" and "blackhawk" bc I don't know the Transformers that well, and those two expressed their names only ONCE in the film. They're not characters so much as supporting villains. Do you know what the black gangster's name was in Dark Knight? It was said once too, I believe. As for the designs, I'm very happy with them. I just wish the faces were a bit easier to look at and less alien. <p>3. Silly aesthetic choice, one made by Bay. And so what? It doesn't make the movie better, it doesn't make the movie worse. You guys are right, it doesn't need to be discussed. <p>4. I guess we can say this is subjective. I had no problem following the action. Others, apparently, did. But as far as this teaser goes, it looks like the camera has been pulled much farther back- things look easier to follow. <p>5. When I say intimacy, I don't necessarily mean "deep human connection" between characters, I mean bringing the movie back to a level that isn't focused on big robot action. Could it be better? Yes. Was it horrible? No. Subjective? Maybe. I don't have any problems with each character having a storyline and a "quest" so to speak (my vocab is slipping after a long day). <p> Comics and cartoons might be great, but again, this isn't a straight adaptation of those. Also, the comics and cartoons tend to focus on the bots more, and to do that might require a budget that studios just aren't willing to spend. <p> But if that's what you want, perhaps a CGI animated film is the way to go. Which isn't a bad idea.
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'Also, the comics and cartoons tend to focus on the bots more, and to do that might require a budget that studios just aren't willing to spend' <br> this is bollocks. If the script called for more bots, the effects would have been created to fit that. They could have models of characters that didn't have ten million moving parts. It probably cost more to get the military hardware mobile than it did the effects. I just don't buy this argument. However I've always liked the idea of a CG animated film. With everything that should be there - Nemesis, the Ark and the iconic designs of the bots. I don't want realism. I want a cg version of the characters that look like they did in the Dreamwave comics.
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Have ALWAYS been about explosion and big gigantic spectacle. Why are people surprised to see he's doing more of the same. I know what I'm getting when I walk into his flicks...and usually enjoy them for what they are. Light entertainment on a grand scale.
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He came in a restaurant my buddy bartends at (after they closed of course). My girl and I sat and got drunk while Bay sat with an Air Force pilot and his publicist and ate/drank wine. He was a lot smaller than I imagined. Like super skinny with a tiny frame. Kinda feminine as well. My girl thinks he's gay. Since he works in Hollywood, I guess there's a 90% chance she's right.
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can we please stop turning every single TB about Transformers into a debate about whether or not the movie was good? can't we all just agree that some people liked it and some people didn't? if you didn't like the first then fine, don't see the sequel, if you did then fine see the sequel, the movie is going to make money regardless of whether people on this website see it or not
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dude is bangin hotties daily and nightly cuz hes such a p.i.m.p.
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Case of Benjamin Button?
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Dude, you must have been hammered. Michael Bay is 6'3".
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Obviously the arsehole is a Bayhating TBer. Duh!
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...is his need to make every shot in the movie -- EVERY SHOT -- special. Notice that the camera is constantly moving, shaking, panning, dollying, staring into the sun, or angled for dramatic effect, even in the most mundane establishing shot. This is the mark of a director who is insecure either about himself or the movie he is making. One example from the first movie: Sam gets arrested, and Bay establishes the police station with an upward angled shot of the sign outside -- with a slow dolly/pan around it! It only lasts a couple of seconds, but it noticeable enough that you have to wonder why it was important to establish the police station that way. Why? There is no reason why. It's just Bay showing off.
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This is the last time I read a post about Transformers 2. The only reason these exist is to get hits and create bullshit talkback wars. The first movie was shit and all the reviewers declared it so. So then why the fuck are there reports about the sequel almost every day except to piss off the people who hated it and to give an excuse for the chest bumping fat kids who liked it to call anybody with actual taste "haters"? So, Harry, et. al, I implore you to stop with this constant "reporting" of Transformers 2. Not forever, but just for like, 3 days. Please.
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You sat here for months bashing the first TF movie before it came out. You didn't go into the theater with a open mind. You were hoping to hate it. Eventhough you talked all of that shit. Your ass flew into the theater opening night and saw the movie. And you shall do the same with TF2. To bad your popetual bitching won't be backed up by any action. See there opening night bud.
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It was so much funnier being corrected a second time. People who go out of their way to look superior whithout contributing to the actual subject of the conversation (Bayformers are cool/no they aren't/etc..) are winners! Huzzah and kudos to you sir.
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at least I didn't use the French title when I got the director wrong.
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at least I didn't use the French title when I got the director wrong.
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film school is for pussies
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And... what's wrong with making each shot, as you say, "special"? Its not Bay showing off, its part of Bay's style. You think every shot should be static? Establishing shots should not move? Seriously, THIS is your complaint? That the man likes a moving camera?
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Is that he uses that damn steadicam in every movie! Just about every scene! Steadicam!
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...you are a fucking troll douchebag.<br><br>You're a lobotomized movie-lemming.<br><br>You have a tiny penis / large clit. <br><br>You will plunk down $50 for date with your boyfriend to see TF2 and not get head. <br><br>You can kiss my ass.
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...you don't have to kneel down to suck his prick, or your Moms'.
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Videotaped plays.
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It has Aircraft carriers blowing up, when do you see that in movies? Who can pull off the size and scale that Bay pulls off? Nobody does it better, nobody and if Bay had done Superman the franchise wouldn't be on life support, we would have had a sequel already in production.
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why worry about a plot? the trailer gives you everything you need in a transformers film....now if they can just fill up 2 hours worth.....
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No, I don't HAVE to kneel down, but it makes deepthroating his massive fucking rod a tad more comfortable. And my mom can suck her own dick, thank you very much.
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Anybody seeing a Transformers movie (or any Bay film for that matter) for any reason other than ACTION is looking in the wrong place. TF2 looks like it delivers the spectacle. As for substance, I won't be expecting it.
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You mean you can speak like a pretentious douche without going to film school?
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And its defense, not defence...I hate to pick on you but you are making it so easy.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST
D. Vader, the black mobsters name in Dark Knight was Gambol
by IndustryKiller!
I swear to God I typed that without checking IMDB or any other source. Look man saying that's the film Bay wanted to make is no excuse. You could justify literally ANY bad film with logic that vague. Hey Batman & Robin is the film Joel Shumacher wanted to make, that doesn't make it passable. You see how that works?<P>The thing about Transformers that made it memorable for generations is that THE ROBOTS had the cool personalities. Yes, Even the supporting villain Decepticons. Anyone who watched the original cartoon can perfectly emulate the voice and personality of Starscream, Soundwave, Shockwave etc. You not being able to remember any of their names just goes to show you how badly Bay failed. Now if Bay didnt wanna go that route he should have made his own giant robot film under a different name. Moreover, besides Sam the humans were awful cliches. The cliche army guys with the straight man hero who just wants to get home to his family, the shit talkin black guy, and the wisecracker who dies. The fat computer hacker who lives with his mom, the expert who knows whats happening but just can't get the government to listen, the dickhead government agent, and Jon Voight. All of it painfully culled from the bad action movie handbook and all of it totally unnecessary and most importantly taking away from what makes Transformers what it is. It was a terribly paced film and script.
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Trick Pleeze, I stand by my Eisenstein/Goddard/Bay comparison. You're still nipping at my heels, calling me names, even if i got the director wrong (how dare I insult the french new wave!). Again, my posts are amusing at the very least, what exactly is pretentious about discussion movies on a movie discussion board?
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I can't read another one of D.Vader's defenses on the merits of the first movie. It's making me crazy. This franchise could have been so much more if handled by a better creative team, although Bay is certainly the most guilty. Without commenting on the many other points worth criticizing, the two topics that I can't stand hearing any sort of defense over are the lousy, indistinguishable designs, or the in-your-face, "what the hell is happening" fight-scene closeups. I understand that Bay wanted to create something that was realistic and mechanized in the design of the characters, but STYLE suffered as a result. It's too busy, and doesn't work when attempting to film from the "human's" perspective. (Which is also a mistake). And Christ, don't get me started on the "humor" in that film. That scene where they're tiptoeing around the house and Sam's parents ask him if he's masterbating just made me want to scream at the screen "JUST FUCKING FIGHT ALREADY!" This stuff is lowest-common-denominator kind of entertainment that assumes we're all some kind of white trash. And I understand the irony of complaining about a movie that's main focus is giant fighting robots, but The Transformers an interesting franchise that deserves better management. Henry Rollins' quote about Hollywood and the producers of what we call "entertainment" couldn't be more fitting here: "...they're basically saying "You're a dumb fuck, and here's your entertainment, you dumb piece of shit"." We deserve better than this crap - blockbuster or not.
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I had almost forgotten why I had left this site for a while. You people drive me crazy. <p> Bale talks about a scene being the "emotional center" of the new Terminator movie, most of the comments sound to the tune of "What emotional center, it's Terminator." <p> Wolverine delves into his back story, you cry and complain and how we don't need to know about the character.<p> Yet here we are with Transformers, and all you do is complain about how it's no story, just big explosions. <p> I'm really starting to think that you people don't even LIKE movies. You're just mad that someone else is making money off of them.
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Granpaseth to stop venting his insecurites at my spelling and mention anything related to this talkback subject.....nope? Just gonna keep making fun of me? That's what going on in the streets? Hating? Drinking a little haterade? Flaunting that expesnsive college education? Still not talking about Transformers? Nope? Still hating?
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Gee another 200 million dollar epic where they spent the gross national product of many countries on CGI robots that whiz by in a moving camera-edit every half second blur! note to filmmakers....Enough moving cameras! Lock the fucker down! Leave the camera alone! Stop editing movies like they are 3 minute rock videos or 15 second commercials! It is not a style it is bad film making! It is just fucking wrong! Thalberg is Hong Kong spinning in his grave!
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From now on, I'll carefully compose my posts, in three drafts, with a MLA formatted citations and carefully spellchecked vocabulary words. So as not to cause Grandpaseth undue stress as he combs random talkbacks for spelling, grammatical and fact checking errors, I will print my post on a large cotton absorbant pad, which i hope he will honor by placing in his delicate area to soothe the pains of menses. Then perhaps he will fnd the time to stay on topic, and stop being such a hater.
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that was ever shat out of the Hollywood shit machine. It's an insult to human intellect, and the first movie was a movie shit-pile shit-fest of shitty proportions. You "sheeple" (I use that term to describe my superior existence to all of you) are gonna eat up this shit-pie movie with a stupid shit-eating grin on your face because anyone who enjoys this movie or any other Michael Bay film has their opinion immediately voided for not being mine. Now if you'll EXCUSE ME I have to watch The Reader by candlelight.
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everytime I do that, Grandpaseth and the baby jesus share a good cry, followed by a longing stare, then uncomfortable silence. luk, im dooing it rite nau.
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I'll say it again--calling transformers a shitty movie because it didn't do what the cartoons did makes you a LOSER. Its a kiddie show that he turned into a blockbuster that the masses would eat up. The cartoon was for kids... to be clinging to what that show did is to prove what a complete loser you are.
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Bay's transformers is an enjoyable romp. I reccomend it for 11 year old of all ages. Peace.
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and that today is Aint It Cool's new buzzword!
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You're the one who injected the French new Wave and Soviet Cinema into a freakin TRANSFORMERS talkback. OK. I'll stop "hatin" as soon as you tell me exactly how Transformers is like these other films (style, aesthetics, etc) Please. I'm curious now. Inform me.
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titled "Transformers 2" and all it says is "Transformers 2" and it would get a million posts
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...all these directors want to take a classic franchise and "make it their own." And they always end up sucking. Lot's of apologists say that big blocky transformers would look like shit...but I say that if Michael Bay was worth his salt he could make big blocky transformers look cool. Just quit COMPLETELTY CHANGING EVERYTHING! SHIT!
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...one of the coolest thing about the original series was that you could "see" the components of the truck,plane, car, etc even when they were in robot form. This is simply NOT the case in Bay's movies (aside from the flames, of course), which I have trouble overlooking. Anyone else have this complaint?
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here's a youtube video of a Japanese girl breaking chopsticks with her ass! http://tinyurl.com/dju7mh
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here's me posting this image for no reason at all! http://tinyurl.com/d742xz
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More ear-splitting thuds, shrieking metal and more close-ups of tinsel in a blender instead of coherent close-quarters combat. Ya think Bay will have another fucking 'bot actually jack off over a picture of Luckiest-Girl-In-Hollywood Megan Fox, instead of pissing on a slumming indie star?
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wins an internet.
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wins a decepticon in his man-cunt
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Cloverfield monster
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Jesus christ you losers! Bay's take doesn't do the ancient kiddie show cartoon justice!?!?!? You've got to be kidding me. What's next? A re-imagining of power rangers that you losers can bitch about it not being true to the show. Grow up, or just pretend bay and transformers don't exist. Don't spew shit about how it doesn't do justice to a kiddie show. Man, i can't believe no one else is making this observation!
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Seriously, LIPS ON OPTIMUS "FUCKING" PRIME??!! Have fun touging Tony Danza's asshole in HELL Micheal Bay!!!
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Full of insight. I don't know how anyone can stand up to that torrent of wisdom. Let's shut the talkback down here boys, I think wixmmm has really put a period on the whole thing.
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Don't forget to vote MNG for MOD in '09!!!<P>MNG in '09<br>"He'll get you laid!"
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Michael Bay is good at one thing. Blowing shit up. And the serial arsonist in me likes that kind of shit sometimes. Not that I'm a serial arsonist or anything.
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that dogbot thing is Ravage...yeah...really. lol
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Feb. 16, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST
He may be good at blowing shit up, but not filming the explosion
by IndustryKiller!
unfortuantely
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Oh yeah, Star Scream and Megatron's banter never got old, and Soundwave was so expressive. The constructacons were so diverse, and the Pterodactyl Dinobot was just like my cousin Larry.
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Feb. 16, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST
Im sure you used to watch the old show A-COD and say
by IndustryKiller!
"You know what this show needs? Less Transformers. Because as spartan as the actual character development may or may not be for the robots, I think we need even MORE shallow human characters.....like maybe some sappy military cliches. Or a slapstick government lackey. yeah thats what Transformers needs." Yup that was certainly our vision for a movie. And to be fair your cousin Larry is sort of a simpleton.
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<P> you waste of jizz, low-life, Gay-Bayers would still be in a fetal position from watching it. </P> <P> And Transformers II made by Cameron would be "fucking your eyeballs and ear drums in 2009" in full 3D IMAX with a killer story, better characters and dialogue like he did in Aliens, yes characters that you care about, better action, better editing, not the amateur shit Bay gives us, and James Horner doing the score. </P>
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Harry eating French Fries?
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Who's the troll here? I was making a point with my post. All you are doing is throwing out obscene and immature insults. How old are you, really? Some of you talkbackers are unbelievable. Get the hell over yourselves.
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I've always considered the camera to be a character in a movie -- it's the eyes of the audience. As much as the action on the screen, the movement and angle of the camera suggest to the audience how to feel. <p>For example, when we push in on a character speaking, it's because he's saying something really important, and we should be leaning in to get a better listen. Bay will push in on a scene because, uh, I dunno, he wants us all to feel like we're on skateboards?<p> The camera should not be moving "just because it looks cool." What's so frustrating is that Bay can do such spectacular, breathtaking, emotionally powerful shots, ones which would evoke "wow!" if they weren't surrounded by a thousand other shots which tried just as hard to be awesome for no particular reason. It's a movie, a narrative, not a frickin' truck commercial.
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Now that's Revenge of The Fallen!
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You guys may not believe me, seeing as how I'm a plant and all. But after receiving a super-secret screening from my good buddy Mr. Bay (we drugged and raped a few 12 years olds with Polanski beforehand, dude is fucking wild!), I can safely say I retract my previous statement. My eyes were filled with child-like wonder at the amazing images being titty-flashed to my eyes. Optimus is the best hero in a movie since Richard Dreyfuss in Mr Hollands Opus. The score, cinematography, characters, and script, were all top notch and reminded me a lot of Munich. I believe this film will win best picture at the Oscars, and they will take Ledger's oscar away from him this year, just so they can add another oscar to next year to give to a character from the film. My bet is they'll give it to Starscream. Anyways, that being said, doesn't T4 look like a smelly wet fart? McG is a fag, there I said it.
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it sounds like you have a problem with the dop, not bay... sure, maybe bay a little, but mostly dop. Nice first semester community film school analyisis there.
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And this movie ain't proving anything different. TINO!
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If you want to be smug and generalize a whole group of people by pretending to speak in their voice, then you better prepare to catch shit for it...especially from me. That's what you wanted anyway troll-master. <br><br>Now go pee in a glass and drink it you lame ass piece of shit.
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...go eat a knob at night, Bayformer.
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All accross the net, people jizzing all over this trailer. it looks fucking great, btw. and here at Aint it ever cool, the same dozen talkbackers under several different names spewing the same shit "This looks shit" <p> no man, you look like shit.
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I WAS buzzed (had about 5 Stella Artois) and I'm 6'1" myself. It wasn't his height so much, he was just tiny framed. Like petite and skinny. I just thought it was odd that he's so obsessed with military tech and action but seems kind fem in person.
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I believe I have a very valid point. Plus, I can make my point without spewing childish 12-year old insults. I am not a big fan of Michael Bay. But people like you are even more pathetic than the fans. You spend hours upon hours of your day in these Transformers talk-backs, trolling and ripping on everyone who doesn't share your opinion. Who the fuck put you in charge of taste? And you call me smug? Nothing is more smug than the shit you pull. Looking down your nose at people who have different opinions. Telling them to suck a dick. Which once again leads me to believe you are a pimply-faced teenager sitting in your room, constantly posting here because you have no friends. Constantly attacking people with puerile insults to make you feel better about your shitty ass-miserable life. "go eat a knob at night, bayformer."---fucking brilliant, by the way...
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Yeah, I blame the dop for bending over to Bay's will. <p> Seriously, though, Bay is a pretty hands-on guy, and he's been photographed behind the camera a lot.
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like all things Mikey Bay, looks like a million, but is a soulless piece of shit. FYI Harry, stop linking shit to yahoo, they are ma bell in the age of cell phones.
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his angles aren't an insight into his insecurities. they are example of a man who loves and knows his fucking film stocks and equipment. <p> that said, the problem with bay is not his shooting style, but his editing and writing. get the two people who can nail those jobs and transformers will kick you in the balls several times before you even feel it.
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Actually, if you've ever read a TF thread before, you'd know I post my "word" in triplicate, then get attacked by troll-fucks like you.<br><br>Keep backpedalling bitch. Cause I'll hurl 12 year old insults until you piss off and go home crying.
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nothing else matters
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Now I enjoyed watching it in theatres the first time! However it's un-rewatchable... Why? Because of the humor. It's Bay humor, and it's only funny/tolerable the first time. And not only just that, but for some reason in Transformers, Bay decided to use his humor practically every fucking 10 seconds throughout the entire film! When it's paced out like that, the whole movie becomes annoying! If there were only a few scenes like that paced out every 10 mins or something and were short and not spanning an entire scene's length, then the movie would be alright, but it's not! It's annoying every other time you see it, and the more you see it the more it aggravates you and the more you dislike the movie. Which is why I haven't bothered picking it up on blu-ray. But I will watch Transformers 2 in theatres once and that's enough unless there are sweeping changes made. Hopefully not because if I like Transformers 2, then I will buy it on BD, however as a completionist I absolutely would have to get the first one too, and I don't want that, so here's hoping for a good 2 hours in a cinema and that's that...
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That's a lot of Ts and robots for 2 movies !
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I believe it was you who began personally attacking me. I'm not going to piss-off and go home crying. I'd rather just keep posting and ignore the teenage talk backer who is so insecure he must attack everyone with homosexual jokes and whine about Michael Bay all day.
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I may be reaching... but does "Sam" pull apart a robot-fly at about the 1:20 mark? Or is he just trying to impress his chick with the old 'cut a fly in half - put it back together' trick?
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Feb. 17, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST
Oh! Now the whole "Revenge of the Fallen" thing makes sense!
by half vader
Welcome back, robomikey!: <p> http://tinyurl.com/ahkwwt
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Quin the Eskimo you said "complaining about quality is moot". What a stupid thing to say. Why should an expectation of quality be discarded because of any particular story that a film has. Ive heard a lot of people using the phrase "they're just cars that turn into Robots" as though that is a bad idea or an idea to be ashamed off. IT ISNT. In terms of cool science fiction ideas the Transformers characters and concepts are high up the list REGARDLESS OF WETHER THEY WERE ORIGINALLY JUST A TOY LINE which is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Despite how bad the first movies direction and story were,it made a shit load of money because Fighter jets and cars transforming into living robots is pretty awesome and kids and adults alike really enjoyed seeing it.I started reading the UK Transformers Comic in 1985 when i was 9 and the story immediately hooked me. The writing,stories,characters were great and i looked forward to that saturday morning read every week until the comic stopped in the early 90's. If you havent read the comics then you really cant comment on how bad the movie is in comparison. Although the action in the first movie was great,the major problem that Transformers fans have is the unbelievable alterations that Bay has made to the story that were completely unnecessary. He has shown no respect for the original story and regardless of what non transformers fans think he should have shown respect and the Movie would have been much better for it. To everyone above who disagrees with that statement,think of a franchise you love and imagine a director completely changing every aspect of the original story. Every one of the Transformers was completely unrecognisable from there original drawings with one exception,Optimus prime. Its like Raimi having a green spiderman with a cape or a blue Iron man with a big jet pack. Its infuriating. The transformers crashed on earth in a ship (The Ark) 4 million years ago. The ship was the one that gave them the ability to transform into one thing only and served as the Autobots base of operations after they awoke. Bay ditches this absolutely essential part of the story completely. The movie could have easily started with this huge ship streaking through the atmosphere and crash landing on pehistoric earth with dinosaurs running for cover as it hits.Then cut to black as the screen reads "4 Million years later".That sounds like a decent start to me. The Decepticons were just like complete neanderthal savages in the first movie.In Reality they were intelligent,ruthless war mongerers whose first thought when they awoke on earth was to strip it of all its resources before they leave. This threat should have been the first movies driving force rather than finding a cube. A cube that did not exist in the Transformers universe and was meant to be the Creation Matrix which Optimus prime kept in his body and wss the only thing that could give a transformer life and personality. Any fan could tell you there were dozens of great ideas that would have translated amazingly to the big screen but bay discarded all that,showed no respect and made a bad movie that essentially is not a Transformers movie. And like the fans of ANY franchise we have a right to be pissed off that he ruined what could have been an unbelievably great cinematic experiance for us.
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and deleted the next day, as it was simply too horrid to take up space on my 80gig drive. I expect more of the same from this Bayfest. Still, it will appeal to welfare moms, the newly paroled, car thieves, 2.0gpa students, and folks whom spend their Friday nights with a hard drive full of Megan Fox and a jar of Vaseline.
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you might want to try not using insults that make you look like 13 year old kid playing Halo 3
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development, by the gross of a Michael Bay film. The higher the gross, the more moronic and simplistic the population. Sadly I predict this mess will do 300 Mil domestic.
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pretty soon Alec Baldwin will suck all our brains out, but I for one support our Alec Baldwin overlords!
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BendersShinyAss is the talkbacker who believes the Moon landings were faked and had this to say as well: <p> "You want to know somethign really interesting? When they left the surface and released the main engine body of the craft it fell back to the moon and when it hit the surface the earth'moon'quack that resulted set of a ring that lasted an hour - leading many scientists at NASA pondering the moon is hollow. they also deduce the Earth may be hollow, and thats the reason why on a smaller Earth, like a deflated baloon, ALL the continents fit perfectly together." <p> Bender's a drooling conspiratard, an infamous tinfoil-hatter, and certainly not one who has the moral or intellectual position to call anyone else "an internet joke".
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This show would be a PERFECT fit for a live action adaptation. DO IT
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It's Bay hustling 13 year olds for their milkmoney
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Seriously, get your head out of your own ass. Just because the movie will gross an income doesn't make the masses "sheeple", it may not mean the movie is great, but it also doesn't make your stupid fat-body ANY superior to a person who might enjoy it. Some of you guys are really smug fucks. Especially the likes of "conspiracy", you can take your pompous remarks and cram em, buddy. You're not impression anyone besides your scared little schoolgirl ego.
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I will see it again and again.
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Lots of fun, girls, splosions, and cool transforming robot cg from ILM. (they were robbed of the FX oscar for 2007. Golden Compass? WTF?)<p>And 8.5 out of 10 of you on this TB will see it. (.5 being those who purchase the ticket for some other movie out of "protest" and still watch this)<p>So Mikey Bay ends up PWNING you all anyways. HA!<p>I'm more worried about T4 (hoping it's good!) and Star Trek Returns (hoping it's not like Superman Returns).<p>This film and Potter are sure things. 200-300 mil domestic and 700-900 mil worldwide, easily.
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Paul Blart:Mall Cop already beat Transformers 2 to it. And the apologists are asking for LESS quality ON PURPOSE, that does, in fact, make us better.
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Feb. 17, 2009, 3:18 a.m. CST
Also Davidia, these fucking idiots are pointing out box office
by IndustryKiller!
As if it is directly correlated to the quality of a film. If that isnt representative of a greater character flaw and inability to judge, rationally, artistic endeavors then I don't know what is.
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is a pathetic nerd/loser.
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fuck, I was looking forward to your post
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actually, quite a brilliant score. One of the more memorable and epic scores around. The Autobots theme is the unwritten Justice League theme.
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Get it?<p>Because all your pissing and moaning means little, and the film will be huge and loved by millions.<p>It must give you some comfort though, to come onto the TB and post superfluous drivel about "standards/depth/character" in a movie about robotic cars and have people here you out and agree with you. <p>Because I can guarantee you, that this is the only place it flies. <p>The rest of the "normal" world (if there is such a thing) watches summer movies for fun and winter movies for drama, and doesn't have any problems with the Transformer films as directed by Micheal Bay.<p>Go out and make your own movies, F-tards. I like Schindler's List and Shawshank Redemption too, but I won't stand for insults just because I was able to enjoy TF for what it is: summer fun.
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I blame George Lucas. <p>It's really geek rage at the PT that has caused this "I hate it! It's a crap letdown!" culture from people who've yet to see the films that they trash.<p>The Beard really did a number on you guys, didn't he?
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What you stand for IS an insult. To yourself and to film as a whole. And you know it. Are you really so dense and shallow that you LIKE it when you get poor quality entertainment? Is it that offensive to you that one, with a reasonable and concise argument as to exactly what it is they are looking for, might want more? You do realize that the summer popcorn flick can be something more than totally bargain basement entertainment right? I mean I assume you've seen most of Steven Spielbergs films (excluding War of the Worlds and Indy 4) I don't need to insult you, you're doing a fine job on your own.
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that William Shakespeare wasn't abducted by a time traveler, plunked into the 1980's, and was forced at raygun point to write the scripts for the G1 Transformers toon. You can't. At the very least, he wrote the Marvel comics.
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It may make beaucoup bucks despite being utter tripe, but, it would have made twice as much if it weren't vapid, and pleased the long time fans.
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Feb. 17, 2009, 4:03 a.m. CST
I personally expected Full Metal Jacket from Spider Man 3
by IndustryKiller!
Its amazing that these....people, when one says "this is not up to par because of reasons x, y, and z" totally eschew the argument you spent time simplifying for them, and choose to believe that not wanting completely retarded writing and filmmaking to mean that you want My Dinner with Andre. I think they know exactly what we are asking for and this whole "You wanted SHAKESPEARE!!" bullshit is a mass defense mechanism to justify their own lack of taste. They know damn well its not award winning dialogue we are after. Merely competently drawn out characters and a tone and character tract that evokes that of the source material.
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Shakespeare's plays were meant for the live stage, viewed in the round. A true fan of Jacobean and Elizabethan theatre prefer it that way, not on film.
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Feb. 17, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST
Im going to make a deal with the "box office" apologists
by IndustryKiller!
Who say "It'll make tons of money so your standards are meaningless" Now we all know The Dark Knight made almost 600 million dollars, second only to Titanic. Now it made a lot of money because its a Batman film, but it made THE SECOND HIGHEST GROSS OF ALL TIME because it was a genuinely fantastic film that people saw again and again just to soak up the atmosphere and character. I mean lets face it, its an exciting film but not because its chock full of action, because it certainly isn't. What it does is take its time fleshing out every character and setting up a brilliant plot where you literally have no idea what is going to happen next. Now if Transformers 2, in all its vapid quick cut shit directed action, fails to make as much money as The Dark Knight I want you to come back here and admit that when you increase the quality you also can increase the box office and a summer popcorn film does not need to be vapid shit to please an audience and be fun as fuck. okay? Can you put your money where your mouth is? You can make up whatever terms you want for me if I lose, because we all know I wont.
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A well crafted movie + the enthusiasm of devoted fans who are now adults with cash to buy tickets for themselves and their children (and themselves, for second and third viewings), would've = huge pile of money for clueless wHollyweird execs and producers.
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Anyone who enjoyed Indy IV and Transformers are complete fucktards or little kids. Watchmen will pwn all.
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Guys, this is getting quite sad. I wish you "haters" would realize how pompous and sad you have become. This is an endless arguement. We get it... YOU HATE TRANSFORMERS/MICHAEL BAY. You hate it with a passion that burns deep inside your soul. You hate it so much that you think anyone who got even a second of enjoyment out of it are complete and utter fucktards. There are no exceptions. Point taken... As for the Bay apologists; you are never going to convince them otherwise. It's a fruitless endeavor. Just enjoy what you want to enjoy and let them pat each other on the back.
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Has that word been lost with you all? That being said, I thought TF1 was okay, I liked the boy and his car plot line. Dump the military guys and John Turtorro's absolutely batshit insane role, add more bot character development and you got yourself a winner.
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'if you want some culture, get out of here and back to your Bergman boxed set' - as if the choice is between art cinema and this, with nothing in between.
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'I love me my explosions' If you LOVE explosions and total devastation etc, move out to fucking Basra for a year. Come back in 12 months and see what you think, you total turd.
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'It made a ton of money, so loads of people enjoyed it, even if you didn't'. The Roland Emmerich GODZILLA made a ton of money. Did ANYONE really enjoy that? ANYONE???
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'The haters will see it and admit their love' That might have worked first time, but not again. TRANSFORMERS 1 was the worst blockbuster for ages, in terms of being mind-numbingly boring and insultingly dumb.
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'Bay is an action maestro' NO NO NO. Bay could not put together an action sequence if his life depended on it. And action sequence is something where you, as the audience, actually get INVOLVED and EXCITED. Like, say, the T-Rex Attack in Jurassic Park. Or the crane chase in Casino Royale. Bay confuses that with just giving you lots and lots of VERY LOUD noise. And blowing things up.
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Who obsessively multi-post with the same heading on the SAME FUCKING SUBJECT to try and make some sort of a cute ironic point because they have nothing of value to say besides parrot the other cynical fluff of their sour-puss peers. Know what I mean, Mr. Gorilla?
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Yes, I enjoyed Godzilla. Hell, even went back to see that a second time and bought it on disc later on. Why ? I thought the monster action was really well done, and I'm a sucker for big bad B monster movies. Didn't like Cloverfield though. The Godzilla on the bridge scene (at the end) was fantastic. Hey, I can truly enjoy things like that. Emmerich sure knows how to do spectacle well, which nobody can deny. I actually like Godzilla more than the first Jurassic Park. That felt like a complete cop-out, aside from the raptors in the kitchen scene, which is a classic Berg scene for sure.
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Peter Cullen, but inexplicably passed on Frank Welker, who is a demigod in the voice acting business. Shows how much they cared for the property and the fans. Bay should just go generic films for his apologists who couldn't give a shit one way or another on the theme of his movies, and leave Transformers to someone who truly gets it.
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Shit Le Beef swinging on some vines. <p>Perhaps with a CGI monkey or two swinging alongside him for company.
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...or is there a guy a few posts above this saying he saw Godzilla twice?
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Jaws! Dude! Don't even tell me you liked Godzilla more than jurrasic park? WTF! Hmmmmmm big bad dinos kickin ass and eatin people.... one big giant iguana, who causes little damage, and basically waltzes through NYC... yeaaaaaa... no... godzilla 98 sucked...
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run theatre, and I still wanted my money back.
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So which of the 'tards are you, then?
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You fucking disgust me and underline everything that is wrong with the general viewing public and the reason why Hollywood doesn't give a fuck about quality anymore. They know as long as it looks pretty the stupid people will see it. Somebody mentioned the classic Henry Rollins quote above and that was right on the money.
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You will never hear me saying Godzilla '98 is a better film as Jurassic Park and I also know that for many movie watchers out there Park 1 is one of the best films they know, and that's really fine. But if there was one film I was hyped about when the news broke out Spielberg was gonna film, it was that one. I had hoped it was gonna be his big monster follow-up to Jaws, only this time with T-rexes etc. Jaws wasn't a happy family film, unfortunately Jurassic Park turned out to be just that, aside from that great scene in the kitchen. Godzilla I went in with very few expectations, aside from hoping to see some impressive never seen before monster FX, which I got. A film like Godzilla 98' wouldn't make it in my overall top 250 of favourite films if I had to list those. But if you get a kick out of seeing big monster fx mayhem, you could do a lot worse as with that US Godzilla film.
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Now they're defending Emerich... how does it feel to know, beyond a doubt, that you have shitty taste? I bet your DVD collection would make Proust weep. This isn't a debate, it's like arguing with a rock.
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I don't have a problem with people liking or disliking Transformers at all. The problem is that this isn't a friendly debate. You have people like IndustryKiller and FuckMichaelBay who pass judgment on the intelligence of everyone who liked Transformers. I'm just trying to be the reasonable one. I've been coming to this website for six years now, and just started posting two days ago. So far, it's a pretty hostile and unpleasant experience. Filled with vitriol and unbridled hate and contempt for people who have different opinions. It makes me wonder if all the reasonable talk-backers have moved on to greener pastures, so all that's left are the bitter, miserable basement-dwelling super-nerds.
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Don't jump to conclusions so fast bud. Some of us movie watchers can appreciate movies or parts of it on various levels. All the insult hurling folks that don't or won't understand that very simple concept are the real dumb-asses.
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MUST CONTAIN QUALITY! Is it to much to ask just because it is based off of a stretch toy that I can't have fucking nuance and substance in a film adaptation? Stretch Armstrong deserves a respectable adaptation just as Batman or Hamlet would. You fucking brain-dead, conveyor-belt produced morons think that Stretch (I call him that for short) in a movie should be vapid and contain no soul? Well fuck you! Just because it's based off a toy that can tie itself in a knot does not mean it has to be stupid and filled with explosions to appease to idiots with a 1.9 GPA (read: those people are stupid). I say fuck all you brainless defenders and apologists. I want my fucking Stretch film to be helmed by Scorcese and star Dicaprio, and if it doesn't, you bet yourself to high-heavens that I'm gonna bitch about it and the lack of seriousness the film makers had for the source material!... Okay, so the mescaline just wore off, what were we talking about? Oh ya, Transoformers 2, I think that looks like shit. McG is a fag. Am I right or am I right? I'm right!
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You are all very dense and your opinions aren't valid, because they don't appeal to my low self-esteem. Henceforth my defense mechanism is to make everyone around me think I'm smart and they're stupid, when in actuality it's probably the other way around. Oops, I let my subconscious type again!
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I didn't like the first one that much. I was pretty disappointed but even though this is more of the same, I still think it looks cool. The shorter "Teaser" trailer is REALLY sweet with that cool sound effect going on. Maybe it'll be better than the first? I'll go and see it! Why not? Just a movie.
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Feb. 17, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST
Fuck off, batzilla. Go back to your mcdonalds and coca-cola...
by Davidia
You fucking sheep of a person.
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withe exception Bad boys two. I have even sat through Pearl Harbour. one of the most badly acted movies I have seen in Years. However. the contention that bay is a crap action filmmaker does not hold any water. Deep impact was a better movie then armeggeddon. it had a better story and better actors. Bay knows spectacle. that is what bay does best. here is a radical suggestion. fire people like bay and hire korean filmmakers and foreign filmmakers. to helm summer blockbusters. Give john moore a decent and coherent script and he will knock any blockbuster out of the park.
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Good suggestion about hiring foreign filmmakers to do blockbusters. Like, say, Guillermo Del Toro, Christopher Nolan, Roland Emmerich, Alfonso Cuaron, Paul Verhoeven, Peter Jackson. Wait a minute - naaah, they'd never go for it. BTW - action and spectacle are different things. Bay can do amazing spectacle. But when it comes to delivering more than a 2 second money-shot, he's nowhere.
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Fred Ward gotta eat.
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Second highest grossing film domestically. Return of the King still is number 2. Remember, there is a world outside the US.
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with Guillermo Del Toro, Christopher Nolan, Alfonso Cuaron, Paul Verhoeven, Peter Jackson. Wow. This may be the worst thing I've read on AICN.
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I kinda see your point. Emmerich uses landmarks and highly visual areas to stage his digital mayhem (White House in ID4, Statue Of Liberty/Hollywood sign/Capitol Records building in Day After, Madison Square Garden/Brooklyn Bridge and most of NYC in Godzilla), and the use of those landmarks does create a feeling of spectacle. But to compare any of that with not just the kitchen scene, but the first T-Rex/Jeep attack...Spielberg creates the tension slowly, and with the brilliant combination of Stan Winston's work and ILM's, the T-Rex is filmed and behaves like an actual living and breathing animal, something Godzilla never comes close to.
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I even believe they are the same person. How else could both have such a shit filmography and still be working?<p>They both produce mindless trash verging on pure and utter boredom. Sitting through The Day After Tomorrow should be an act of torture.
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you're right - Emmerich is terrible and that WAS the worst thing you've read on the site! I just ran out of names!... sorry!
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You Sir are my personal Hero...I have been saying "IT WAS BETTER THAN CATS" for year and it goes right over everyones head.
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"I've been coming to this website for six years now, and just started posting two days ago."<br><br>I've been posting here for years as FuckMichaelBay. Don't try and start shit with me when you don't even know the rules.<br><br>And as I said before: don't use my handle in your pretentious diatribe and expect me not to fire back. That statement was just as much directed at me as any other Bay-hater.<br><br>You're a newbie troll...get used to it.
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Please dude...don't show up late to a gangbang and try to shoot your load. You'll only embarass yourself.
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good trailer..looks like its gonna have the greatest FX seen on film yet...I'l def see it and I was all TINO for the first movie...
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Don't know if this was mentioned earlier. I saw hereos last night n it was crap. It's great there wasn't a talkback for that shit
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FUCK mike bay.
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that trailer is pretty impressive in all it's blowing-shit-up-everywhere glory. digital filmmaking has become quite amazing really.
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When you chose to insult those who enjoy Transformers by saying they have no taste, that they're dense and shallow and an insult to film. Fuck off with that kind of elitist attitude.
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Gobots are the shit!
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Those who own and play with Transformers or even watch the movie are closet transgenders. What does it way about you if you like the idea of changing what you are. FAGS!!
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Feb. 17, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST
Transgenders: More Than Meets The Eye
by Biff and the Watchful Midget Master
In addition to having lots of butt sex, Transformers are merely a metaphor for the transgender community. Think about it: more than meets the eye. Isn't that what have tits and a package are all about? Tranformers have butt sex.
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"more than meets the brown eye"
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Feb. 17, 2009, 10 a.m. CST
I think we can all agree that what would make this movie better.
by glovedone
Is Patrick Swayze reprising his role as Dalton. I dare Megatron to bring his shit into the Double Deuce.
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This will entertain me greatly. I shall see this in a theatre and keep Mr. Bay employed.
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Today is Michael Bay's birthday. He turned 44. What a faggot.
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How many blockbuster movies have you made??..Really? Shut up Butt Pirate!
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I can accept if someone says they like this movie, but when an adult says they loved it, that it was everything they could have wanted, and so on...then I start to question their taste and sanity.<p> When we've so recently received the gift of The Dark Knight I fear these same people would have been okay with another Batman & Robin Schumacher nipplefest. And there it is in a nutshell.<p> Aliens or AVP?<p> Raiders or Crystal Skull?<p> X2 or X3?<p> Three pairs of movies from the same genre, some with the same characters even, and yet the ones on the right are pretty much universally panned as stupid movies. The ones on the left however PROVE that a genre film can have plot, character, and genre badassery, but you guys continue to defend Bayformers as if it somehow merits the same respect as (possibly) the greatest genre film of all time, Raiders of the Lost Ark. Morons, the lot of you.<p>
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I really just said that, didn't I?
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Feb. 17, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST
IMDB's little "Fuck you" for Mikey Bay's Birthday...
by FuckMichaelBay
...the following "celebrities" (you'll see why I use that in a moment) are hierarchically more important than Bay:<br><br>Joseph Gordon-Levitt<br><br>Paris Hilton (get it now?)<br><br>The late Alan Bates<br><br>Dominic Purcell<br><br>Don Scardino<br><br>LOVE IT!
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yes... yes you did... lol
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You fucking sheeple. Go back to your Windows XP!
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Obviously IMDB has seen his magnum-opus, Squirm...
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Surely this whole SITE is about DISCERNING between what Hollywood WANTS us to like, and what is actually WORTH liking. That whole ethos is torn down when a cynical circus act like Michael Bay (he's not into DRAMA, he's into SPECTACLE) is given all this praise.
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Devastator concept more than loosely based on Christia Bale
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Although I felt no tension watching that jeep scene, yes,the T-rex certainly was superbly done, like pretty much everything else that we've witnessed from the Winston shop in all those movies. Yes, the Rex has more personality as the big lizard from Emmerich's film, but one of my gripes with JP 1 is that it didn't feature nearly enough Dinosaur action (I think it has 12 minutes in total or so) and I also didn't care for any of the characters and Koepp's script in general. Some of those 2-D characters (and their dialogue) wouldn't be out of place in any of Emmerich's and Bay's films by the way. I would have no doubt liked J.P. a lot more if I had seen that as a young boy, but that wasn't the case.
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I'm sure budget constraints kept the dinosaur action down. But, wow, the T-Rex scene with the Ford Explorers. One of the most intense scenes ever. Spielberg's definitely a genius at building tension...
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Noob mistake...
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More dinosaurs does not necessarily mean a better movie... just look how The Lost World turned out.
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Good God, you people have seen a TEASER with snippets of the movie. Not for nothing, even for a teaser, it kicks TOTAL ASS! I'm not sure how anyone here can judge this movie before....oh wait, this is an AICN talkback. My bad.
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You are right about that, but the Lost World had that suspenseful car in the tree scene. I think I liked J.P.3 the best, that had hardly any dialogue and more dinosaur mayhem as 1 + 2 combined. Not a favourite film or something, just a watchable ok zippy B thing. But if you watch any random episode of Walking with Dinosaurs, you'll find there's no need to ever re-visit any of those J.P. movies. I would also find it hard to believe that there are millions out there clamoring or longing for a part IV of that. But perhaps I'm wrong on that.
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in JP2? I thought that was the first film, which ended with the kid throwing up on himself. hehehe I agree with you JR, definitely no need for a part 4. I would LOVE a remake of the first 2 that followed the books, gore and all. but I guess that's a pipe dream.
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That was in part 1 ? Haha, if you say so I believe that, it's also been a long time I saw those films too. So, J.P. 2 actually didn't have any suspenseful scenes huh ? Seems like I'm mixing things up. What I actually meant was the scene with the slowly cracking glass windshield from a car or trailer or whatever vehicle with some of the lead players inside that were being attacked by one or some of the rexes, I could have sworn that was in part 2 but maybe not, well who cares, I surely don't.
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Like the 12-year old "hacker" familiar with international Unix environments, but it was well written, well acted and, like in the tree scene, was great at getting the audience into the film and creating tension and concern when the characters were in trouble. These things are exactly what TF1 lacked. Nobody went into the theater wanting anything but a story about giant robots fighting and instead we got about 20minutes of robots and 45 minutes of Shia and his folks in a fucking Disney-channel cliché which just happens to have some giant robots in it. We went for action and spectacle, not for 45 minutes of bullshit with a little transformers sprinkled on. I, along with most people I've spoken to had no issues with the robot parts (aside from the little radio one, which was retarded), but every part with any other human character was fucking painful to watch with stupid cliched shit and Bay-isms at every turn ( who the fuck are you all kidding, who her wouldn't see all of three seconds of that teaser completely out of context and know it was a Michael Bay movie, even before they showed the name) the man has a very small bag of tricks and he uses them in every single movie. I don't agree with anybody that he can't film action, but I do think that is ALL he can direct. I had no huge issues with the way the action was shot, as close-up action doesnt destroy it for me (although it is annoying, it didnt stop me from loving the Bourne movies either). Anything with plot or character developement, he turns to shit. If I wanted to see shitty acting and horribly written characters, I'd go to a Tyler Perry movie, but I went to see a movie ABOUT god damn Transformers, not fucking FEATURING them! The movie is 20 min of decent action (not even great, as a lot of it he just took directly from his own past films) with 45min of pure shit, which is more than half of the movie. If a movie is a test of the director, then Michael Bay FAILED. Maybe he's realized these things, since he's said multiple times that TF2 will feature more robots and less people, which sounds fucking great and I do want to see a decent TF movie, regardless of director, and not because I give a two shits about the cartoon or comics, neither of which I've really checked out, but because I like good movies. If you people want to settle for less than 50%, then go ahead, but don't kid yourselves when you try to get people to believe it had more to offer than it did.
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Thank ya, kindly. Though I just realized I left out the first part of the quote: "I loved it! It was much better than CATS. I will see it again and again."
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Uh, check the box office totals on that movie, dude. Not quite a failure, by any means.
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... as well as all other Bay movies. Haha, nothing you spackers ever say will change that.
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Gee, everyone hates this movie but still everyone clicks 'play' on the trailer. I don't give a damn about Hannah Montana: The Movie, so I do not 'click' on that trailer. Transformers has NOTHING to do with Robocop and Terminator. They're not in the same league. The original cartoon was actually a 30 minute toy advertisement. That's it. It was moronic in it's plot, had terrible animation but sold a lot of cars that turned into robots. Now, this movie is aimed at 8-15 year olds. All of us +30 are a secondary market. So go watch Terminator 10 times more and avoid Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen like the plague.
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Feb. 17, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST
I miss the days when actual film fans frequented this site
by IndustryKiller!
Now we have douche bags pretending to be cineastes saying that Jurassic Park 3 was the best of the series and making absurd excuses for Michael bay being a passable filmmaker. It's sad that this is the way we view entertainment in society.
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I guess that means I still get to play in the sandbox.
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Yes, back to the sandbox you silly nerd. With the help of some water perhaps you could build an accurate looking Cliffjumper, and add some voicework yourself. Make sure he stays as true to the comic/television show version as possible, so we can say kinds things to you after you uploaded your video to Youtube.
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You act like such an elitist prick sometimes, you fail to take subjectivity into the picture. Bay *is* a passable filmmaker. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be in the business. Now a "good" filmmaker? That's up to debate.
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I'll disagree with him because its fun to debate (and I'd think he's wrong), but honestly who gives a fuck? Apparently, only you.
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And not the irritating people around them. Of course, Megan Fox can (and should) be in every frame, naked, screaming my name in ecstasy as I pound her sweet nethers till the end of time.<br><br> No, but seriously though, hopefully the sequel is about the actual robots. In the cartoon, the humans were always in the background, and the main characters were the robots. Make that happen. Thanks.
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Because for every Dark Knight there is out there there are 10 Paul Blart: Mall Cops and Transformers, and maybe those who arent in this business at all dont understand this but studios go where the money is at. Dark Knight proves that big summer entertainment can not only be intelligent AND fun as hell. Dark Knight is not only the best genre film of the year but probably the best film perdiod. now I dont think Transformers needs to even come close to that level of pathos but it should at lease attempt to capture a spirit of adventure and character instead of just be cynical, poorly shot, PAINFUL cliche ridden, forgettable crap. Now when films like that make money it sends a message that "Hey why should we even ATTEMPT even the bare minimum of quality when we can put it in quick turnaround and make a mint anyway." Guys like Jaws are the perfect example of why this happens and we ALL suffer for it. Look at the amount of classic genre films that came out in the 80's, films that will literally endure as long as the medium is around, and compare that to today. It's not even close and that is because guys like Spielberg and Zemeckis got old and tired and replaced themselves with assholes like Bay and Summers who make visionless dreck that replaces heart and vitality with more spectacle. What they fail to realize is films used to have both, and that was in an age where you didnt have computers to do your work for you. its inexcusable. So I care D. Vader because I love film and im not going to apologize for my remarks to poseurs who deserve it.
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...when people could post their opinion about a movie without having their intelligence questioned by whiny, elitist, assuming trolls.
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BLEST is right, George Lucas killed modern movie Geekdom, now any movie Geek that LIKES movies is dubbed a "sheeple", an "idiot", a "moron", a "bottom feeder" etc etc ETC
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I was growing up in the 80's instead of now
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movie Geeks sitting around talking about how much they LIKE movies!? it would be truly a glorious thing.....
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is movie Geeks talking about how much they DON'T like movies
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movies like Jurassic Park and The Dark Knight are OF COURSE better than Transformers, but why is it such a crime against humanity to enjoy Transformers too?
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It's not a crime against humanity to enjoy Transformers. Watch it, enjoy it. Don't listen to these guys. The Michael Bay hate on this site is beyond anything I've ever seen.
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First of all, are you the same fella that used to post here under the name Memories of Murder ? Because you possess the same kind of silly obsessiveness when you write about movies. Man, listen. If I had to make a list of my 25 favourite movies, I think 4 or maybe 5 of those feature any SFX, be they mechanical, optical or CGI. None of them feature huge explosions either. I can assure you that none of them are based on comic books or tv shows. I already told you that if you're a movie fan, with a broad, non elitist taste like mine, there are quite often some things to like in some otherwise not so great films, which can be anything. If I want to spend 8 bucks on a Saturday evening to check what Bay cooked up with Transformers 2, a
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First of all, are you the same fella that used to post here under the name Memories of Murder ? Because you possess the same kind of silly obsessiveness when you write about movies. Man, listen. If I had to make a list of my 25 favourite movies, I think 4 or maybe 5 of those feature any SFX, be they mechanical, optical or CGI. None of them feature huge explosions either. I can assure you that none of them are based on comic books or tv shows. I already told you that if you're a movie fan, with a broad, non elitist taste like mine, there are quite often some things to like in some otherwise not so great films, which can be anything. If I want to spend 8 bucks on a Saturday evening to check what Bay cooked up with Transformers 2, a
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bloke like you wont stop me doing that. From watching those pieces we've seen so far, it looks like a big improvement over part 1. So, you're not gonna see it ? Don't worry, we'll do that for you.
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Feb. 17, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST
and to all the people saying there needed to be more focus on th
by The Amazing G
I kind of agree, but did you ever stop to think that maybe there will be more focus on the robots in this one? you're all assuming it's going to be a carbon copy of the first without any improvements whatsoever....
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Feb. 17, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST
JRyanH: "The Michael Bay hate on this site is beyond anything I'
by FuckMichaelBay
You aint seen nothing yet. The movie isn't even out yet.
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I forgot to thank you.
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if you don't like Transformers or Michael Bay that's fine (hell even I think Pearl Harbor and Armageddon are shit), but the question is this, why do you have to so damn SMUG about it? why do you have to act like you're more INTELLIGENT (hahahaha) and BETTER than people that do? if it's one thing I hate it's a smug and elitist douchebag attitude when it comes to ANYTHING
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"...when people could post their opinion about a movie without having their intelligence questioned by whiny, elitist, assuming trolls. "<br><br>What day was this for you?...Saturday?
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Feb. 17, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST
Bay Desperately Tries to Get ANYONE excited About this steaming
by JaySmack
Of course it's been a couple years so it's about time for Michael "Talentless Hack" Bay to shovel out another pile of reeking celluloid piled sky-high with CGI and not a damn thing else. I think this time it will backfire. Sure there will be the same drool-on-themselves GayBayFanBoys who will shit themselves because any new CGI animation if GREAT CGI animation to their worthless asses. But for those with an i.Q. above room temperature it will be received with a "Been There/Done That/God I Don't want to waste Anymore Money on An Asshole like Bay" apathy. Bay had ONE chance to prove he could build a franchise and the asshole who's relied on CGI for over a decade couldn't even figure out how to make CGI robots talk to each other. Instead he put two talentless teens in front of the camera. The guy's a screwup. He's used up his last few tricks. This thing will be the SFX equivalent of BadBoys 2. And somewhere Jerry Bruckheimer is laughing his ass off and glad he dumped Fuckstick Bay for Gore Verbinski, somebody with talent.
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And I bet you'll be the one standing on the sidelines then huh ? You fuckin' dweep.
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"if it's one thing I hate it's a smug and elitist douchebag attitude when it comes to ANYTHING"<br><br>Please find a mirror; stand in front of it; stare, and then repeat the above quote.
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...I'll be the one getting a DVD of it sent to my house which I am asked to watch, then break in half...by the studio. JOY!
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Oh, the suspense is killing me. What will you whine about in June? Are you writing down comments in advance? I can see you sitting alone in an office (or your mom's basement) with a pen and paper, carefully brainstorming your next insult. If you put half as much effort into writing a Transformers script as you put into whining in these talkbacks, you could write the ultimate Transformers screenplay. It would be so good that James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, and Chris Nolan would be beating down your mom's door, begging to film your script.
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I'm afraid you're the one that needs to do that
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The only one beating down my door is your Mom, ready to audition on my casting couch. <br><br>BTW..The best JP was the first. The subsequent ones lacked the suspense and touch of the source material...Crichton's touch that is...especially considering, the third wasn't even a book.<br><br>(. )( .)
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Feb. 17, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST
The Not-So Amazing G: I dont agree with your statement so I'll
by FuckMichaelBay
...wind in your face.
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Don't act so tough bud because we all know you are a big pussy.
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FuckMichaelBay is at least 13 years old, I am serious as a heart attack, at any rate I'm tired of this little flame war kiddies, Amazing G is OUT...
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Don't act so tough bud because we all know you have a big pussy.
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...of the mental institution. Please go back.<br><br>Betcha thought a gay joke was coming. Puh-lease, that's something a 13 year-old does.<br><br>BTW you will read this and...<br><br>THE POWER OF FUCKMICHAELBAY COMPELS YOU...<br><br>...to post again!
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EPIC discussions about chocolate croissants among Japanese schoolgirls with colorful hair, I'd buy that for a dollar
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Good night FMB, and thanks for another inspiring enriching and philosophical hour with you at this wonderful board. Do not forget to wash your chubby little hands and fingers after jerking of to your picture collection of Mr. Bay. Does Michael Bay know you want to fuck him ? Don't be shy, just ask Harry to get him in contact with you, sometimes wishes DO come true.
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...I don't wash my hands. I rub them on your Mom's vagina. Hell...how do you think you got here?<br><br>THE POWER OF FUCKMICHAELBAY COMPELS YOU...<br><br>...to post again!
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Happy Birthday you fucking hack!
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anyway. That way I can stay informed on the stupid shit in the movie and bitch more about it. Hey, ya gotta have a hobby right? At least i'm being honest about it.<br><br> But seriously, I will most likely go see it. But i'll just do the same as I did last time. I'll purchase tickets for something else and go into Bayformers instead.I'll probably do the same with that shitty looking GIJOE movie coming out as well. <br><br> And you Bay apologists can thank Davidia for this next part. If you start with name calling on us G1 fans again you will now officially be known as BAY SHEEP. B-A-A-A-A-Y!! Get it? It's just like BAAAAAA but instead it's BAAAAAY. eh,whatever.
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should team up to give us a movie with giant robots destroying landmarks with a crap cast, crap dialogue, crap editing and crap story.
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"Paul Blart 2: people pay to see anything" because profit=quality right?
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I still hold some hope for this one, since Bay has said himself that he's responding to the "fans" by having less humans and more robots beating the shit out of each other. Now, who here can say that Bay himself hasnt ackowledged his short-comings on the first film, or then why else change the winning formula? And who else are we than "the fans" who have collectively influenced his decisions with our criticisms? So fuck everyone who keeps bitching about TF1 critism, because it fucking works from time to time. Ass kissing shit gets you another bowl-full of shit. Fuckwits, even a 10 year old knows this.
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Feb. 17, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST
Look you guys are the ones unable to justify your tastes
by IndustryKiller!
You can call me an elitist all you want, it's all just empty personal invective to me. What I find sad about you guys is not your like of Transformers, we all have guilty pleasures, it's your pathological inability to admit its a bad film and inability to even FATHOM that it could have been a much better film. I know you guys know both are true, your CONSTANT arguments of "It's a fun stupid movie that doesn't make you think and THATS OKAY!" gives you away. That's not an argument FOR the film guys, not anymore than "it's based on a cartoon!" or my personal favorite "It's a good film cause it's the film Michael bay wanted to make!"are. You are defending the idea of the film, not the film itself. Just admit that the characters are poorly written cardboard cutouts (Sam is acceptable though ONLY because of Labeoufs spirited performance and improving), the action is unintelligible and terribly cut together, and the robots serve ONLY as a ILM talent reel. If that's all you wanted then fine, it doesn't in any way excuse the fact that it is what it is or that it's based on source material with a huge fan base that had every reasonable right to ask for more. moreover even the IDEA that someone might have a love for genre films that makes them ask for more than empty crap offends into fits, but I suspect this has more to do with your own guilt over your apathy than it does with me. you sound more like MoM Jaws than I ever could.
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your half hearted defenses of TINO. This is the country that elected George W. Bush twice using bullshit tactics like "Elitist!" cries and it holds not water then and it holds no water now. It's a pathetic attack when you can't support your point of view with intellect and you feel insecure about it. Now we've given you reason after specific reason why the first film was weak and how it could have been something special, in fact it looks like Bay himself agrees with us, so before you knee jerk react with your fifteen best reasons why you arent insecure and why I'm a dick you guys need to come up with something better than your usual "It's based on a cartoon!"/"What did you want SHAKESPEARE!?" douche bag no substance argument. Until then I'm well within my rights to call you an idiot, because if the shoe fits....
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What have you done?!? You've insulted Bush in a Michael Bay talkback.. Prepare to be called a whiny liberal who hates god and the troops overseas...AMERICA!!!
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It's no use, so many of us have been trying to appeal to these sheeple masses for years now, and they either can't or simply refuse to get it.<p> I can't begin to fathom why it's elitist to ask for more Dark Knight and less Bayformers.<p> Is it possible that the apologists here could just admit it was a shit movie that they enjoyed? That's what bugs the crap outta me. We all have guilty pleasures, shitty movies or shows we love for no explainable reason, but here...not so. There's this solid dividing line between love or hate I just can't understand.<p> Seriously, do you guys actually believe this was a good movie?
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Since when has that ever been a part of the Michael Bay pantheon?
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Haha… Hell, no. It's like 20,000 leagues far from it. Maybe more. I loved Transformers, and wasn't expecting it to be Aliens, Terminator or motherfucking the original Matrix. Now… people stating The Dark Knight could probably the best picture ever should have their heads examined because it's really far from it. But this is no Dark Knight forum. I know Transformers is crappy. The cartoon was pretty crappy. But it is amazing eye candy, features a hot female and has big robots punching each other in the face. What's so damn wrong about that? Some guys around here say Transformers supporters aren't able to admit it's crap disguised as film. Well… I don't know any of you personally, but I remember the days when I used to discuss Bay's mediocrity with a friend of mine who was a big fan. I couldn't really see the brilliance of Bad Boys or The Rock. To me they're pretty generic. But he was all nuts about them. I still feel the same about every Michael Bay movie, but Transformers is the perfect title to feature every trick he's known for. And it works. Oh, and The Dark Knight is not even on the top 50 best films of all time.
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You like Transformers but you know EXACTLY what you are watching. nothin' wrong with that. And dude I didnt say Dark Knight is the best film ever, I mean it just clearly isn't, but I would go as far to say the best film THIS YEAR. And that might be arguable but I think it's at least better than the best picture nominees, which are, with the exception of Milk, really disappointing.
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Well, I really don't own Transformers on DVD and I don't think I'll be getting that at all. But it was a blast on theaters. I find The Dark Knight as disappointing as Benjamin Button. I feel Nolan is the poor's man David Fincher, but Fincher… as much as I love three of his films to death, didn't really pulled it off for me with Button. Though there are some things I liked. I still have to watch Slumdog Millionaire.
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I love fincher, but I wasn't really feeling button. I also love Nolan, loved TDK, but not begins so much. Nolan's best is still Memento to me. As for slumdog, another of my favorite directors, and a good movie, just not one I can picture watching again. I agree that there was nothing worth nominating this year, though I haven't seen the wrestler yet.
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IndustryKiller! has been mentioning the same points over and over, yet few have addressed them. The fact of the matter is that the first Transformers sucked for me. REALLY HARD. For all the reasons that Industry went into. And it looks like this will suck as well. So that leaves me with 2 options: either sneak into the theater and watch it on big screen or wait until download. Because I sure as hell aint paying for it.
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I couldn't stand Batman Begins either Smatt, I think it's a really really weak film. I actually just watched it again for the first time since Dark Knight, which I obviously think is brilliant, and I thought it was even worse than I remembered. The problems witht hat film exist almost on every level. I blame Goyers terrible script and Nolans inexperience with big budget filmmaking. He really pulled through on Dark Knight though, which is easily, just generally speaking, the best comic book film of all time. <P> Macho while we disagree on Dark Knight Im with you on Fincher. I thought Zodiacs response int eh geek community was wildly overrated. I actually saw a screening of it five months before release and wrote the first negative review on this website. I thought it overly procedural and striving for a profundity it didn't even come close to earning, and especially lacking in insight about the whole Zodiac case in general. It surprised me when reaction was so positive on release, but then again the version Is aw was 35 minutes LONGER than the already huge theatrical release.
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but Dark Knight doesn't hold up to repeated viewing. It's not a brilliant film either. Give it a couple of months to a year - then the withdrawal will kick in. Personally, I enjoyed Ironman more for multiple reasons that aren't immediately obvious e.g. Ironman's score is superior to Dark Knight's IMO. with that said, TDK is not a terrible film like Transformers, which had me scratching my head in theater like "am i really watching this shit?"
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I will laugh a hearty laugh. Because a film about kids being at school and snogging each other (Harry Potter 6) will have made a ton more money than a film about giant robots fighting each other (Transformers). I'm not saying that more money = a better film. But I am saying that it will be heart-warming when a film made with attention to characters and story makes more than a film based purely on spectacle.
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Feb. 18, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST
The original animated series -
by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer
Had more characterization and forethought than ANY Bay shit-fest.<br /> Piss-poor CGI, an absolute lack of anything resembling intellect, and She-ra combined to pitch the concept for a new generation of suckling tard-folk.<br />Fuck You Michael Bay - you make the world a dumber place.
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the whole "my opinion = facts" attitude that many have. regardless if you loved it or hated it, its still just your opinion. but some just keep on rambling as if what they say is a fact proven truth and that isnt terrible unto itself but then they cant fathom people having a different opinion so they insult them for it...they insult people because they liked or disliked a movie...i mean really.
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Toy pics of jet fire have surfaced...near the end of this thread. http://tinyurl.com/dhyevx
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Everything you said still doesn't change the fact that you look and act like an ass when you insult people for enjoying something you consider to be "beneath you" and the rest of the intelligentsia, which is the epitome of elitism. And the fact that you think The Dark Knight might be the "best film period" tells me enough about you.
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Looks like Paris getting blown up real good...twice this summer! G.I. Joe trailer shows the Eiffel tower being eaten away by some green goo and falling over, Transformers trailer shows buildings in Paris being destroyed by red-hot falling...well...falling SOMEthings... Guess I'll put off that trip to Europe.
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Is it possible to ban that word from film talkback?
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When smug talkbackers insult others for what they like?
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It's all the same stupid shit, and it's fucking distracting. fuckin ass.
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Im insulting you for not being able to see the difference between what you LIKE and what is actual quality or for being able to rationally argue why its a genuinely good film without dredging up old tired arguments that hold no water. To be fair D. Vader you tried, but I still say what you came up with is grossly apologetic (it's cant be bad cause its the film Bay wanted to make?? WTF??!!) Just admit you like a bad film, its ok, I like some bad films too, the difference is I dont defend myself because I know the score. Also admit that it could have actually been a really special memorable genre film, if you cant see how easily this could have been improved then Im sorry but Im gonna call you out on your ignorance.<P> And lets get this out of the way, I DO NOt THINK DARK KNIGHT IS EVEN CLOSE TO THE BEST FILM EVER MADE. I'll repeat that cause I know people dont like to listen. THE DARK KNIGHT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE BEST FILM EVER. When I said "best film period" I meant of THIS YEAR. Meaning the year beginning January 1st 2008 and ending December 31st 2008. Capiche?
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The "original" design was boring....a red/blue Semi-trailer truck???...PLEASE, the flames were an UPGRADE...
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You know it. This looks like fun. Typical Mikey Bay incoherence-but in this case-it's a GOOD THING. I like the Unicycle from Hades there. Much fun. <p> Plus you get to see things explode. Gotta like it.
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