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1st of 3 WOLVERINE spots!
Hey folks, Harry here with the first of three TV spots that Fox is doing over three nights in a row. Gotta love them Bone Claws, eh? Here ya go...
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B0N3 CL4WZ
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I like it...
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Ok that's pretty good and much like origins comic it seems. far out
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Seriously? Does it? No, it does not.
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Was that Edward Furlong as Logan's older brother? The hell is up with this movie?
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Gambit wasn't in this fucking movie. Remove all Gambit scenes with a Deadpool side plot and the film would be perfect.
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I really hope that older kid is just Dog and not Sabertooth. Lots of Wolverine writers flirt with the idea of making them related, but chicken out when they realized its a stupid idea...
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I mean, Jackman is great, no? Urhhhhhh. But what is the story? I thought people were always longing to get the origin story over and done with, so they can move on to more exciting stuff. Which is why X2 and Spidey 2 and Dark Knight were better than their predecessors.
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sucks. Jesus he was this namby pamby mama's boy, and then he got mad his dad got shot and grew little bone claws? At least Jackman still looks great in the lead role still.
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At least singular adamantium ones on each arm:
http://tinyurl.com/anozav
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suck. One of the best things about Wolverine was that he didn't have a definitive origin. The "little wolverine on the prairie in the secret origin" was fucking awful. And bone claws are just stupid.
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They took the worst things that have been added to the Wolverine mythos - the bone claws, the back story of him being a rich kid in the late 19th century - and made a movie about it. Fuck. They filmmakers could have exorcised all the shittiness that has been injected into the character all these years, but instead decided to stick with his "official" origin, Just because it is within continuity doesn't make it good.
This is like if Batman Begins started out with Bruce Wayne being raised by Dr. Leslie Thompkins or saying Batman was inspired by the costume his father wore at a costume party. Or if in Spider-Man 3 they revealed that Peter's dead parents were spies. Shit that never should have been included in the characters history to begin with. -
than what most people would have done with the premise of "explain Wolverine's back story".
Instead of making a book that showed every single thing in his life from beginning to present, they wisely just decided to focus on the really small chunk of his life that give us a sense of where his personality and semi-misanthropy came from. The story ended when he was about 18 or 20 so it explained him without ruining any of the real mystery that occurred in the next 100 or so years leading to the present.
Of course, Marvel decided to ruin a good thing a couple years ago by letting him remember everything, and now dedicating a entire series to fill those gaps in a way that makes him look utterly ridiculous. -
I meant to say "I officially have NO interest in this movie."
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when he said trust me I've been through worse was he referring to puberty?
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eating out Rogue, Storm, and Jean Grey one after the other. It's a Fox movie so I'll find something else to do with my money and time thank you. And yes that will include Jim Camerons fucking-your-eyeballs Avatar. Unlike a lot of Geek-Whores I have princibles. If Rothman has been sacked or better still dead by then, I may consider seeing it...
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Wasn't he in the Canadian army or some dumb shit?What about that crazy arc where he's in a Holocaust camp and keeps getting killed and coming to life instead of JUST FUCKING SAVING ALL THE PRISONERS!
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...judging by blindambition's link, that Deadpoll will have his face scarred at some point... And in a strange way the "giving-the-finger" claws are suitable to Deadpool...
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You suck, and you are not getting any more of my money ever again. Boy, is this shit gonna be lame.
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Fuck, that was gorram hilarious. I know what they were trying to do... but it just doesn't work.
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I'm not too up to speed on the Origins Comic but fucking Boneclaws? All so they could create that image for the Trailer of Little Lord Fontleroy with claws shouting at the ceiling... What is so wrong with just having a guy with incredible healing abilities that also slows the aging process having adamantium grafted to his bones? Now that I buy, but, and I quote myself here... fucking boneclaws?!?!
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Bone claws are ridiculous, but Marvel made that canon years ago. So while it is dumb, the film is at least being faithful... somewhat.
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LOLCATZ
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Feb 16, 2009 4:52:46 AM CST
I understand this will NOT be faithful to the Weapon X series
by ricarleite
In which Wolverine only speaks 2 or 3 lines over the course of 150 pages, I think. THAT would be a great movie.
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i remember back in the 90's every superhero had wolverine claws. i even remember picking up a batman comic and HE had them.
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Fuck canon! If we wanted comic book movies to stay cannon we would demand that the Joker uses Joker Venom, that MJ never went to Peter's High School, that the Hulk first appeared grey and only appeared at night, and that Tony Stark used to have to wear his breast plate as a pacemaker or else he would die.
Sometimes comic book writers make mistakes, and sometimes filmmakers can rectify those "mistakes." Bone claws is one of those things they could easily rectify if they chose too. -
r ghey
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will harry post a fake story about his escapades on the set?
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The whole reveal (It was the rich kid that was Logan all along!) was silly and the issues that followed were meandering and pointless nonsense and served only to establish that Logan was a total pussy in his youth. "Hey get this! Archetypal tough guy Logan was actually a wimp when he was young!!! Oh how deliciously IRONIC!!!" And pathetic. God Marvel has sucked the last decade.
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Dude, Wolvie's bone claws are soooo 90's. No, literally. Bone claws have been canon in the X-Men comics since the early 90's. Where have you guys been?
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What has been done to Wolverines originis a travesty and the filmmakers really dropped the ball by including any of it. the Origin comic series depicted here was one of the worst Wolverine stories ever told and anyone who says it explains ANYTHING about Logans personality ahs no idea what they are talking about. It takes 6 issues to go nowhere and make a fool out of him in his younger years. The character is literally depicted as a spineless coward and while they try to show you SOME transformation otherwise they just dont even come close to justifying it or bridging the character then and now. People have to stop taking anything Marvel has done to any major character over the last decade as canon, because when its this ridiculously bad you just have to ignore it and start going to the classic stories for inspiration and construct something using elements and the spirit of those. Like what Nolan did with the Dark Knight.
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Thats not good. The Director isn't cut out for these kind of films... I will not see this film, I have no urge other than for the sake of just seeing a movie.
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like cats,tigers,lions,etc wolvie have them as a part of his body.so biologically they should be made of bones (or whatever is called in the mammal physiology).
unless his body has the ability to produce adamantite,but then we would call him ..colossus.
the idea of having adamantite claws by birth,is ridiculous.i like the idea that they infused adamantite to his boneclaws later.its more logical.
i agree though,that the comic writers shouldnt reveal his past.and even if they revealed only first 20 years of life,they didnt do a good job there either. -
It's Elektra and Daredevil - and if this film was as good as Daredevil, none of us should have a problem with it. Great comic-book movie, with a TRUE Agent of Chaos in Bullseye.
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Feb 16, 2009 5:22:52 AM CST
I mean if youa re going by canon, Wolverine is invincible
by industrykiller!
He's literally been melted down to his skeleton and come back to life int he comics, which is just going too far on so many levels. He's basically been made into fucking SUperman. He's also not at all bad ass in the comics these days. I mean look at Whedons horrendously overrated run, he practically made Wolverine a stand up fucking comedian. There are truths about these characters that are self evident, and you leave all the other shit from hack writers out.
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Whoa, chill. I never said it was good that they used it. What I said was that it was faithful. So someone has clearly tried to do their homework. That they chose a ridiculous concept is sad, but let's be honest -- Origins isn't a particularly inspiring comic-book anyway. None of Wolverine's backstory is well-written.
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No-one ever said he had adamantium claws by birth. Or wanted that. What they're saying is that the claws make logical sense if created by Weapon X as a weapon. Having a superhero possess bone claws has nothing to do with the core power of regeneration.
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This is all looking pretty naff.
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And implied none of us would be complaining if this were on that level of filmmaking. What in the fuck trip are you on? Daredevil is widely remembered, and rightly so, as a joke. Right there with Ghost Rider and Fantastic FOur. Daredevil is total garbage and while Farrell is not terrible as Bullseye implying that its anything close to what in a week will be an academy award winning Joker turn by Ledger just makes you sound like a fuckin idiot. It's like saying Eddie Murphy in Pluto Nash is a comedic Tour De Force compared to that hack Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. If you are kidding then disregard this post, sarcasm is hard to read online..
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Never meant to imply that you were defending Origins or Wolverine's background. If I came across as attacking you I am sorry, my anger was squarely directed against the filmmakers for putting in that horrible backstory.
But for the idea they did there homework, actually it seems like they just got lazy and only read Wolverine comics from the last 10 years or so, because if they went back further they could have seen another potential origin for Wolverine (which I will get to in a second when I confront ominous statements). -
Mr. Zeddemore is right. If you read the older X-Men issues under Clairmount and Byrne's, you'll see one of the first origin stories of Wolverine. He is found in the woods by James and Heather Hudson, a feral man, and when he attacks Heather his claws pop out. Wolverine is traumatized by this because this is the FIRST time he has ever seen them!
The implication being that the Hudsons found Logan just after he was experimented on that grafted the adamantium on his bones and implanted claws in his wrist. Wolverine himself states in the early X-Men that he is a "six-million-dollar man" implying that the claws and bones were both artificial adjustments to his body.
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Like I give a crap what common conjecture is on a film. Yeah, I dug Daredevil then and now. I'm not going to say otherwise to look 'cool' online. And re: Ledger, I've openly said I thought he did a great job in the role. My Bullseye comments are tongue-in-cheek.
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Farrell's Bullseye is the same as ever other comic book movie villain: a joke-cracking psycho who loves to talk in a creepy voice and let everyone know how evil he is.
The Bullseye from the comics, especially during Frank Miller's and Wolfman's days, was the epitome of the banality of evil. He didn't make a big showing in killing people, he just did it because it was so fucking easy for him. He thow a knife at you while still drinking coffee and reading the sports page. Farrell's Bullseye would feel obligated to make a bad joke and than grimace for five minutes. -
It is getting to late. I am totally missing your sarcasm Mr. Zeddemore. I apologize again.
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True - except that Bullseye doesn't exist anymore. Hasn't since the late 90s. The current one does crack jokes and lets people know how evil he is.
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I like the way he plays the role, even if I agree that there's a better personification out there. But for the record, yes. I do love Daredevil as a film. And am happy to be seen as 'uncool' and 'idiotic' for thinking so.
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But I can't talk. I still like "Bugsy Malone."
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I think it'd be more idiotic to pretend I hated the film when I didn'.
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This films looks awful, but I'm going to see it anyway. Only got six or so comic-book films that I haven't seen yet.
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As in film is a subjective medium. I can't hold it against anyone for liking a specific film, just like I can't expect everyone to like the same films as me.
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You guys kidding me? You would only be pissing your pants over the fact it wasn't boneclaws if he didn't. Time to really read the comics rather than pretending you know all this shit.
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It has good reviews and/or good word of mouth. I've been burned to many times in my youth to just go see a movie because it is a genre flick. I guess when you get older you become more discerning (this coming from a man who went to see "He's Just Not That Into You" over Valentine's Day).
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I believe bone claws are stupid. Like I said earlier, it is a mistake the film makers could have rectify.
And some of us have been fans of Wolverine since the 70's, so we are not blinded by the character he has become. -
Tsk tsk. And IndustryKiller you're totally right about everything. I'm never reading comics again. Everything sucks.
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honestly i prefer having his claws by birth,or even as a sideffect of the adamantite experiment (they were dormant all his life until the experiment) rather than attached to him artificially.
when a superhero has animal like abilities like smell,regeneration,berserk mode,CLAWS,when he looks like,acts,fights like an animal,when in his nature he is like a predator,a hunter,when in berserk mode he loses his humanity,
,when he has all the above things then I DO EXPECT to always have his boneclaws, from the start,rather than get them in an experiment.unless u want to tell me that he got the above animal characteristics in the experiment too. -
I haven't forgotten the pact. Have you?
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A V A T A R - FUCKING YOUR EYEBALLS IN 2009 !!!
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Ok, this is going to be a little rambling, but here goes:
The point of Wolverine’s claws and adamantium skeleton was to show how normal people would be willing to experiment on mutants because they viewed them as less than human. Wolverine's alterations were a metaphor for the Nazi experiments on Jews (old X-Men had lots of Nazi Holocaust symbolism such as Days of Future Past or Magneto's concentration camp tattoo).
After the experiment, Wolverine was reduced to an animal for years (at least in the original implied origin during the Byrne years), living in Canada as a kind of feral man. The entire animal nature/berserk rage battle going on with Logan was a fight between his humanity and the animal the experimenters thought he was. Since his claws are the most dangerous and visually most obvious of Wolverine’s many powers, they serve as a visually metaphor for Wolverine’s dual animal/human nature. Hence, the reason why the claws are artificial is because they are what the people who put them there saw Wolverine as, just an animal. Wolverine must now prove those people wrong by showing that he is not just a savage animal but also a man and can control his berserk rages and killing sprees. Originally – according to the back story that John Byrne and Claremont were developing -Wolverine was just a gruff but decent mutant who did NOT have a bestial nature until after they had experimented on him and put the claws and adamantium bones in his body – the process was supposed to be so painful and inhuman it reduced him to an animal while his body got use to the implants. Every time he falls back into his berserk rage, he proves that they were right in implanting those claws – he is only a savage animal that they saw him to be after all. It is the classic “if you kill they have won” scenario in comic books. That is why Wolverine was so brooding and bitter in his early years with the X-Men: he never thought he had any hope of every becoming a “man” again, and it was only through the X-Men’s faith in his humanity that he could even try to act as a moral, humane human being.
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...Sabretooth is his dad...Okay...But why does his fake dad look like Hugh Jackman? I thought the claws were steel added later, or did he have bone claws all along? He has a brother? Or is he the older brother and sabretooth the younger one? What?
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Where he was a literal wolverine mutated by the High Evolutionary into a man, then he was given special gloves with retractable claws and a mask with whiskers painted on it.
Whatever, Bone claws are the least of your worries with this thing... -
not sure why the "I am your father" part of the commerical felt familiar
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Did you even like the X-Men movies' Wolverine to begin with, all things considered?
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In all honesty: no. I don't hate the X-Men movies' Wolverine, I just think they could of done a better version of the character. Hell, I think they could have done a better version of the movie. I know that there is stuff in the comic book that would have made a great movie - they just focused on the wrong stuff.
It is like being a fan of the Maltese Falcon and seeing the 1931 version with Ricardo Cortez and then seeing the 1941 version with Humphrey Bogart. Cortez and the 1931 version is serviceable, but it can't compare to Bogart and the 1941 version.
That is how I feel: we got the 1931 version when we should of had the 1941 version instead. -
Seriously, I don't need any more X-Films. Everyone else seems to have a problem with the 3rd one, but I have a problem with all 3. I don't want to add another flick to the list and this looks like it's going to stink up the X-Men franchise as much as the previous films. Sad really...
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AVATAR trailer will be attached (fingers crossed)
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Feb 16, 2009 7:18:32 AM CST
Everyone is an expert! Try writing a comic not playing couch co
by tthenomad
I hate posting here since this site has fallen from the great heights of late 90s early 00s.
But it seems all of geekdom knows better.
Like they did about Venom in S3.
Like they did about Episode1-3.
Like they did about Snakes on a plane.
When will you kids learn?...sigh...
Geeks are as much to blame for shit out there as the directors, writers and actors. -
Ok, I won't lie - that was always a ridiculous idea. It was basically the same idea they tried to do with Spider-Woman, saying she was an evolved spider. But the good news is they didn't go with it.
And remember, a lot of Wolverine's powers and background were developed organically over the years but the writers, mostly Claremont and Byrnes. The reason he is so popular is pretty much 90% because of their efforts (and I would say 2/3 of their credit goes to Byrne).
Yes originally it was planned that Wolverine wore Adamantium claws in his gloves, but the writers realized that if that was the case anyone could be Wolverine and he was no longer unique, so they made the claws internal. Then they realized that Wolverine's claws couldn't be a mutant power so how did he get those claws. Then it was decided that if someone had to place adamantium claws in him why not do some further experiments. Then they realized that if claws are not his mutant powers, than what is his mutant power?
Personally, I prefer not dwelling too much on Wolverine’s back-story. Wolverine works best if he is treated like James Bond, Sherlock Holmes or Philip Marlowe; maybe you know a little bit about their back story, but for the most part their past is unknown and inconsequential. I mean, do we really need to know what Sherlock Holme’s home life was like and who he first love was? And do we need to know what it was like for James Bond growing up? I think the same could be said about Wolverine. I really only care about him after he gets his claws; anything earlier can be hinted at but should never be confirmed.
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But I am going to have to disagree with you. The reason for these TBs is for us to be able to express our viewpoints. We are not here to only write endless praise and accolades (that is Harry's job when he visits a set). We are here to express what we think makes a film good or bad and what we are looking for in films.
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During The Simpsons in one of the ads for this, I could have sworn I saw some guy falling and blasting at walls with red eye beams. WTF is that?
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He should also have an excitable lipstick like my friend's pug dog.
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"Whatever, Bone claws are the least of your worries with this thing..." I think you've hit the nail on the head there!
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Sure, if it's original and really well done. Those kinds of backstories are awesome. If it's filler, like the Wolverine origin apparently is, then, no, not really. Casion Royale was sort of a "back to hiring day" origin story for James Bond, and it was a good movie. Because it was a good movie, not because it was an origin story for the sake of doing an origin story. That's all I'm saying.
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i don't mind the bone claws origin, i mean, they enhanced with adamantium something that was natural to his body, and triggered by rage. if his body didn't already have the natural claw-extending bone and muscular action, then how else would you explain the adamantium claws? that that implanted not just claws- but a MECHANISM to etend/retract them? and hard wired it to his brain, etc? that would make wolvie a cyborg, not just a metal reinforced mutant. i mean, the whole process is implausible but at least this way half of the work was already done for them.
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Didn't catch that but speaking of The Simpsons what a fucking complete waste of HD.... and what was with the new opening credits? Next time someone sees Groening can they smack him in the mouth for me and tell him firmly to stop now?
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There was a mechanism. Look at the Days of Future Past when Wolverine gets blasted by a Sentinel and his flesh is blown off. You can distinctly see a mechanism for retracting his claws.
And Wolverine himself has said he is a cyborg. He called himself a "Six-million dollar man (see Essential X-Men vol. 2). -
The difference between Casino Royale and something like Wolverine: Origins is that Casino Royale dealt with the start of James Bonds career, which is what we care about. Origins deals with Wolverines fucking traumatic cliched childhood.
It would be like if Casino Royale had about 20 minutes of the movie dedicated to Bond's childhood growing up and his relationship to his mother. -
With bone claws? I read you TBers saying how weak it is, but with no reasons why?
It's also disheartening to read all the misogyny in these posts?Why is being a momma's boy considered a bad thing? The most amazing men, in life or fiction have been men willing to be sensitive and cry easily. I always find it curious, being gay and yet being a rabid fanboy, the hypocrisy and bigotry is an eyesore. -
SHUT-UP! Its X-men, and Wolverine.... Not fucking shakespeare... bone claws are canon, are awesome, and make perfect sense. How you feel *emotionally* about the situation isn't really on the table.
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The new "flames on Optimus"! Seriously, does this really matter? As has been pointed out here, the film makers haven't just made this shit up - it's right there in the comics. Without the boneclaws, Logan's mutant power was, what, regeneration? Yawn. The only issue I have with this is the inevitable comparison between the childhood flashbacks in this flick and that of Magneto in the first X-Men film. One of them had real strength and resonance, the other, we'll have to wait and see.
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First off where does gay equal mama's boy? I used to be in the army, and despite the don't ask don't tell policy some of the toughest and most professional guys I knew in there were gay.
Secondly, nothing wrong for a character to be a mama's boy when it fits the character. The problem is that they are throwing in some cheesy stunt thinking they are being ironic. I think it says more about the comic book writers how they can't conceive that such a important character could never come from truly humble origins - he never could be the son of a simple rancher or a woodsman but has to be involved in some sort of Jane Austen gothic romance. -
I read an interview in the mid-90's with Claremont, who revealed that he was planning to reveal that the claws were bone to begin with (a ball that Marvel eventually ran with), because it was just easier to make that the explanation. I didn't have a problem with Origin the comic book and I thought it was interesting that Wolverine was a sickly little boy, as his healing factor built up his immunity. I'm guessing that the boy he talks to at the end of the spot is Dog, and I guess they're making him Sabretooth to just cut to the chase. I guess I don't mind that. The movie is an adaptation and as long as it's good, they can change minor things like that. I really enjoyed the first two X-Men films and was underwhelmed by the third, so I'm hoping they make a comeback with this one, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Liev Schreiber as Victor Creed / Sabretooth: Logan's half-brother and fellow soldier.
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Daredevil was decent. The director's cut elevates that to solid. Is it on the level of Batman Begins or Spider-man? No way. But it's a fun movie.Now Elektra is a steaming bag of feces. I wasted 2 hours of my life going to see that movie. Each copy needs to be hunted down and destroyed.
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Obviously the bone claw zealots have the numbers so I concede the floor. However, I will say one thing to Flibbertygibbet, the entire point of Wolverine was that he did have only one mutant power: regeneration. That is why they grafted adamantuim on his bones and gave him claws. It was the entire point of Wolverine originally- that this mutant with one humble power could be transformed into the ultimate killing weapon.
As for me getting emotional about this, not really. Just killing time while I wait for something to render. -
Only adjectives that come to mind
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the casting of the fake father seemed like a damn good distraction though- the guy looked like he could have been hugh jackman's wimpier brother. uncanny. and i get it- the porkchop sideburns guy is his real dad- who he kills (maybe?) in a fit of rage over thedeath of who he thought was his dad. the death of his foster father and killing and revealing of his blood father sends him onto the sulky hurt wolvie we know today..i get it.those of you who know the full story: does he actually kill his real dad- or does that guy have a healing factor or other mutation?
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That's Weapon XI played by Scott Adkins. It explains the acrobatic kick that character is trying to do in the first trailer.
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I hope what I read in a Scott Adkins fan forum is right. I saw that picture posted there months ago when the first trailer came out.
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Why do they feel the need to make Wolverine and Sabertooth half brothers. Thats so stupid.
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Fair enough mate, but as you say, Logan's story has evolved organically over the years. The bone-claws issue (and I can't believe I'm discussing this) never really troubled me. I guess I preferred the idea that this guy was always animalistic, rather than that being a recent addition. Just felt more in keeping with a guy called 'Wolverine' ;)
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check this out. Here's some toys from that are supposedly from the movie, with Deadpool and David North in full gear...but also Wolvy which is odd. Probably a load of shit, but take a look.
http://tinyurl.com/aodpoc
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than one of Christian Bales many whores. Very dissapointed in what i've seen so far. Sabretooth has long nails and pork chop sideburns, scary
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That's possible but I don't think so. In the movie's IMDB (how reliable? I'm not sure) page, Deadpool is listed as being played by Ryan Reynolds and Weapon XI by Scott Adkins. Two actors, each cast in different roles.
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well said man,well said.exactly what i am trying to say to Continentalop.
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http://www.toyrocket.com/product1.aspx?SID=1&Product_ID=50131
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Please please please can we start a petition and beg marvel to stop this relentless cashing in of characters.
Its not funny anymore....and tbh it never was.
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I haven't collected or really read any comics in about 10 years and everything I've heard about Origin makes me cringe a little. To me, Wolvie's back story should always have remained untold, aside from the ocassional ambiguous flashback tales (like the one that turned out to be "implanted", I guess. Issue 10 of Wolvering I think it was. Where Sabretooth was his stepfather and killed that native chick.)
I don't have a problem with bone claws. Mainly because of that storyline from Marvel Comics Presents right after Mags sucked out the adamantium where he fought the guy with the adamantium skeleton who shatter his claws and they grew back all gnarled and twisty. I thought it was a neat way to make an almost invincible character vulnerable and more heroic. Plus, what's canon and not canon changes all the time. Superman didn't use to be able to fly, just leap tall buildings.
@Tthenomad: You should have said "organic web shooters" and "Jean Grey's hair" if you wanted to make the point about people nitpicking and missing the big picture.
Venom in Spiderman 3 was fucking horrible. I don't even LIKE Venom and I still wanted to go kick Sam Raimi in the balls for what they did to him. That whole movie is an abomination. -
Its not like Logan grew up like Bruce Wayne. He was 'rich' for like 10- 12 years out of 100 then got turned into a fugitive/ orphan. Even then his home life was fairly dysfunctional.
By the time he became a runaway though, the amnesia kicked in so that he had no memories of that life and the years as a humble miner/ hunter were what shaped him.
I understand where your coming from though. Its like Batman where there are so many different revisions on who he is, you end up picking and choosing bits and pieces of his history and personality to form your 'true' version of him. -
Cheers pal. I completely respect Continentalop's viewpoint and clear knowledge of the character, but since the comic's gone down so many different paths, I guess you just pick out the aspects that make sense to you. It's a subjective thing.
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While not trying to continue any debate here, I will say there is an obvious reason why we are having a disagreement over the depiction of Wolverine. The reason is simple: I first encountered the character during a different era than you two.
I am going to take a guess and say that you two first encountered him in the 80's or early 90's where I became a fan of his in the late 70's. Your wolverine has always been a savage bestial killing machine, where my Wolverine it was implied that the experiment drove him mad and he lived as a feral man for several years, that is where his bestial natured developed.
I am not claiming seniority or that my version is the original one, nor am I admitting that my taste is now passe and outdated. I am just stating the fact that obviously our two versions of Wolverine are very different and with very good reason. -
very true
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Feb 16, 2009 8:33:59 AM CST
so.. it sucks that its faithfull, but it sucks that its not...
by ironic_name
there is a reason you're all virgins.
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blindambition238, Fibbertygibblet and myself all coming to somewhat of the same conclusion about "different versions" of the same character.
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wolvie in the 70s,gained his animal powers like smell because of the experiment,or he had them before that,except the claws?
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Concensus on an AICN talkback? Quick, make a note of the date!
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had the heightened senses, but they never really said what from. I would assume part of his mutant ability.
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As per the original Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe, Wolverine's sense of smell was in conjunction with his regeneration. All of his senses were slightly higher than a normal human because his regenerative powers healed any damage those senses suffered and in fact healed even the slightest imperfections, making his sight and hearing better than a normal person. His sense of smell and taste where ever more amplified thanks to the regeneration power.
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Internet Movie Database says that Scarlett Johansson is playing Black Widow in Iron Man 2 because Emily Blunt had a scheduling conflict.
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Feb 16, 2009 8:43:17 AM CST
the only 2 gripes I have with bone claws [but I can get over the
by ironic_name
in the first movie, wolverine had pneumatic claws with hoses attached, but hey, who cares. second, the young james howlett had tiny stubs maybe three inches long. I guess they want to say that the knife shaped claws are coated in metal instead of saying they cut them off, and gave him metal ones instead.
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You morons are pissed about bone claws? It's part of the origins story. Not having them would Make even less sense. At least there is an attempt at book to movie continuity. (haha gambit?*). I hate don cheadle. Come on get real. If they just gave him metal Claws with no bone claws that would Be rediculous... You would Just say "wtf why does he have claws?". It's the claws that make him "wolverine"...it's the healing factor that makes less sense. Don't worry it'll come to you. Peace mothafuckas
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Feb 16, 2009 8:48:10 AM CST
funnily, 'logan' was gonna be a mutated REAL wolverine at first
by ironic_name
Wolverine's first intended origin
Co-creator Len Wein originally intended for Logan to be a mutated wolverine cub, evolved to humanoid form by the High Evolutionary.[13] In X-Men #98, a biological analysis of Wolverine suggests that he was in some way different from the other X-Men, and in X-Men #103, Wolverine says he doesn't believe in leprechauns, to which the leprechaun replies, "Maybe leprechauns don't believe in talkin' wolverines, either."[14] In a reprint of Hulk #180-181, titled Incredible Hulk and Wolverine, an interview with Cockrum supports the claim that Wolverine was intended to be a mutated wolverine. Cockrum said he considered having the High Evolutionary play a vital role in making Wolverine a human. He wanted Wolverine to be the age of a young adult, with superhuman strength and agility similar to Spider-Man. This changed when Cockrum saw John Romita Sr. draw a mask-less Wolverine as a hairy 40-year-old. Creator Len Wein originally intended the claws to be retractable and part of Wolverine's gloves, and both gloves and claws would be made of adamantium. This idea was later nixed by Claremont because he believed anyone could then become Wolverine by wearing the gloves. The claws are first revealed to be part of Wolverine's anatomy in Uncanny X-Men #98.
Wolverine's second intended origin
Byrne said (as stated in interviews and on his website) that he drew a possible face for Wolverine - but then learned that John Romita Sr. had already drawn one for him (Wolverine's face, drawn by Cockrum, can be seen in Uncanny X-Men #98, long before Byrne started). Later, Byrne used the drawing for Sabretooth's face (an enemy of Iron Fist, who Claremont was also currently writing). Byrne then came up with the idea of Sabretooth being Wolverine's father (they both had similar healing abilities and raging tempers). Together, Byrne and Claremont came up with Wolverine being around 60 and having served in World War II after escaping from Sabretooth (who was around 120 years old and had been abusing him for decades - explaining his rages). The plan had been for Wolverine to have been almost crushed in an accident; at which point he would discover (when attempting to stand for the first time after recovering) that his healing factor does not work on bones - his legs immediately break. He then spends over a decade in a hospital bed, almost going mad (another reason for his berserker rages) when the Canadian Government approaches him with the idea of replacing his skeleton one bone at a time with solid adamantium - the claws being an extra surprise. This origin too was never used. -
Feb 16, 2009 8:48:13 AM CST
funnily, 'logan' was gonna be a mutated REAL wolverine at first
by ironic_name
Wolverine's first intended origin
Co-creator Len Wein originally intended for Logan to be a mutated wolverine cub, evolved to humanoid form by the High Evolutionary.[13] In X-Men #98, a biological analysis of Wolverine suggests that he was in some way different from the other X-Men, and in X-Men #103, Wolverine says he doesn't believe in leprechauns, to which the leprechaun replies, "Maybe leprechauns don't believe in talkin' wolverines, either."[14] In a reprint of Hulk #180-181, titled Incredible Hulk and Wolverine, an interview with Cockrum supports the claim that Wolverine was intended to be a mutated wolverine. Cockrum said he considered having the High Evolutionary play a vital role in making Wolverine a human. He wanted Wolverine to be the age of a young adult, with superhuman strength and agility similar to Spider-Man. This changed when Cockrum saw John Romita Sr. draw a mask-less Wolverine as a hairy 40-year-old. Creator Len Wein originally intended the claws to be retractable and part of Wolverine's gloves, and both gloves and claws would be made of adamantium. This idea was later nixed by Claremont because he believed anyone could then become Wolverine by wearing the gloves. The claws are first revealed to be part of Wolverine's anatomy in Uncanny X-Men #98.
Wolverine's second intended origin
Byrne said (as stated in interviews and on his website) that he drew a possible face for Wolverine - but then learned that John Romita Sr. had already drawn one for him (Wolverine's face, drawn by Cockrum, can be seen in Uncanny X-Men #98, long before Byrne started). Later, Byrne used the drawing for Sabretooth's face (an enemy of Iron Fist, who Claremont was also currently writing). Byrne then came up with the idea of Sabretooth being Wolverine's father (they both had similar healing abilities and raging tempers). Together, Byrne and Claremont came up with Wolverine being around 60 and having served in World War II after escaping from Sabretooth (who was around 120 years old and had been abusing him for decades - explaining his rages). The plan had been for Wolverine to have been almost crushed in an accident; at which point he would discover (when attempting to stand for the first time after recovering) that his healing factor does not work on bones - his legs immediately break. He then spends over a decade in a hospital bed, almost going mad (another reason for his berserker rages) when the Canadian Government approaches him with the idea of replacing his skeleton one bone at a time with solid adamantium - the claws being an extra surprise. This origin too was never used. -
Not gonna argue with a man quoting from the "Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe", but I will say this: within the context of this Wolverine Origins film, I'm not sure if a backstory involving a regenating boy with a keen sense of smell is going to put as many arses on seats. I suspect that's how the film makers see it, anyway.
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like i'll wait for Redbox.
Why, if he didn't have the claws naturally, would they give him claws on the back of his hands?
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That was just one of the origins that Byrne and Claremont planned for him. It is the most well known because like you said it was listed on Byrne website and also mentioned in Wikipedia. Almost all of the origins involve Wolverine getting into some kind of accident (a house collapses on him during WWII or he is caught in a stampede) and he sits in a hospital bed for years (because his regenerative powers only work on soft tissues, not bone) until he is selected for a government experiment.
As for Sabretooth, they were playing around with him being his father and his brother (I think Byrne preferred the father route). Personally, I never saw the need for them to be related - it always seemed to "soap opera" for me.
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and say "I have no interest in this movie because of this or that little detail" but we all know that anyone that reads this website will pay to see a Fucking comic book movie starring Fucking Wolverine!! Come on, who are you shitting??
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Like I said before, why do the complete origin story? Why not just start it about a soldier that is hard to kill, who gets involved in an accident that crushes his bones and he is forced to be part of a government experiment because they know about his healing powers? I mean, do we really need to see his childhood?
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I read this site. I won't be paying to see it. There. I just disproved you thesis.
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HessenRoots: Name an animal that has claws that shoot out of the back of their hands or paws? Seems more likely they are artificial (especially since they correspond to ancient ninja claws and wrist blades).
HomerJay1: Nope, I am not going to see it unless the reviews and the word of mouth is good. Didn't see either X3 or Spider-Man3 in the theatres as well, waited to see them on cable (and even then I was on the stair master during them). -
Yes. Yes we will. In Comic Book Guy voice: " I've wasted my life".
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Studio interference. Rothman, the fat fuck, is what scares me.
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that would have been dumb as fuck. everything in your body is connected. blood gets to everything,everything is connected through some system or other, even bones. what would work on his flesh would work on his bones. even if not- his bones would heal at a human rate. how shattered were they? pulverized? and that would have made wolvie a screaming, anguished puddle of self-healing goo in a hospital for 'decades'? yeah, glad that idea got scrapped.
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Completely agree with you that, whatever your take on his origin, we don't need to see his childhood. As I said earlier, it worked with Magneto, but the setting did most of the work there.
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I'm going to just walk into the theater. Did the same for Daredevil, Elektra, X3, FF, and FF2. I dont pay for movies made by Fox.
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Exactly why I won't be paying to see it. It's quality is irrelevant to me. Could be great, could be crap. I cannot, in good conscious, give Fox any of my money.
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Wolverine was the reason I read comics in the early and mid 80's. The Frank Miller mini series remains one of the best moments in comic history of that era. Then Wolvie became popular, so Marvel decided to cash in. Then we started getting Wolvie origin stories, that sucked. Some things are cooler if they remain a mystery. Remember how cool the force and the idea of the Jedi seemed in the original Star Wars trilogy, and how much of a let down it was in Phantom Menace to hear that the force was caused by "midichlorianes" or whatever the fuck?
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I actually agree with you. I prefer that his bones are regenerative (which explains why his body does not reject him in a comic book pseudo-science sort of way). I was just presenting the alternative origins of Wolverine.
I have always been a fan of the idea that Wolverine's adamantium was basically do to him being subjected to an incredibly inhumane experiment that caused him incredible pain and torment. I don't see the need to make him a cripple before that. -
look at the length of wolvie's claws and look at your own arm. his claws are as long as your forearm. and they would have to retract back into his hands and reside in his forearms alongside bone and muscle there. his claws literally have to pass THROUGH his wrist to come through the tops of his hands, and technically, his wrist would have to be perfectly straight when that happens. but most times they are not. you see him with his fist cocked back many times, and yet they still appear out of the top of his hand. durng the extension and retraction process he would have to keep his arm perfectly straight, or it would probably be forced that way anyhow. what an implausible pain in the ass.and then you should remind yourself, it's a movie based on a comic book.
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will make a ton of $$$ but after X3 I really have no interest to visit ANY of these characters again, unless of course they do a Magneto or Xavier origin story and get Stewart and McKellan. THAT I would pay money for!
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I actually think it was a mistake to show Magneto's childhood in the first X-Men. I always thought it would have been much more powerful for him to just look down at the number tattooed on his forearm and let the audience imagine what that implies. But that is just a personal taste - I love simplicity.
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GLAD TO SEE "ORIGINS" BROUGHT TO THE BIG SCREEN. I'M KENNY FUCKING POWERS; I'M SORRY I CAN'T CONTROL MY ANGRY YELLING!
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any origin story for Wolverine sucks. He is a MUCH better character with a little mystery.
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And now add the fact that those claws, bone or artificial, have got to replace a lot of muscle for them to fit. Wolverine must have the wrist and forearm strength of a little girl.
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You midas well have asked me to name and animal that shoots lasers from its eyeballs.
He's a mutant. He has odd powers/abilities and claws that pop out the back of his hand are one of those mutations.
I stand by my previous comment.
Scanning over the number of posts here I see that I'm about to start bashing my head against a wall over a personal opinion. I'll be bowing out. -
yeah i thought that too, they would displace alot of muscle and limit the rotation of the forearm. if you want to be realistic and still have wolvie be strong, he'd have to have forearms like popeye that would go all rubbery when his claws pop out..ha ha.only one way to fix it, give him glowing pink psychic claws ala psylocke's dagger.lol
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I have no issue with subtlety, but to just show the tattoo would have conveyed nothing more than he was incarcerated in a Concentration Camp. I appreciate that this would signpost the idea of persecution, but has nothing to do with the discovery of his powers. There's too much of a leap there for the casual audience (of which I was one). Besides, I thought the death camp scene gave the film some gravitas. A quality that in most Superhero films, is like rocking horse shit.
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No one take any of my debating personal. I am doing an all-niter rendering QT files so I am in a debating mood. Doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion.
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... like Gambit but hate the bone claws so much.
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Why does everyone around Wolverine get a healing factor and some form of claws? Christ in hell thats boring.
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Nah I'm just playing. This looks good.
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NIPPLES ON BATMAN!!! FLAMES ON OPTIMUS!!! VAGINA LIPS ON OPTIMUS TOO!!! NO SQUID IN WATCHMEN!!!
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I guess we have different taste concerning that. I prefer something more subtle. And yes a mere tattoo would have only conveyed that he was incarcerated in a concentration camp, but I think that alone implies that he was a survivor of the Holocaust. Add that to his line to Prof. X (I can't remember it exactly, but I think it had to do with how people can get along or something) and I think you give the audience something to think about. But that is just my taste in films...
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i thought it was well done in x-men. to be honest, alot of people, comic readers to average viewers, would not have caught the reference with a mere tattoo. call them stupid or just under-educated.(gotta wonder if that tattoo had iron in it, hmm? or at any other time in his harowing camp experiences he manipulated metal). it was JUST enough to show that he was not a cookie cutter 'bad guy', but truly someone that something bad had happened to, and formed his world/human view.that said i do think a whole movie dedicated to that back story is redundant. i think that scene with the fence was more powerful and condensed and relevant than a 2 hour magneto movie will be.
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I can't believe how much hatred there is for this movie on this site. I know you all hate Fox, but if movies like this aren't a success commercially because of this kind of negativity it will be the end of studios making movies about our favourite characters. I'm a massive Wolverine fan and the last thing I want to see is a mediocre, or worse still, a bad Wolverine movie, but writing this movie off from the trailer or from a couple of minutes of footage taken out of context is ridiculous. Yes, there is a lot about this movie I'm not happy about. Do Gambit, Beak, or the Blob have anything to do with Wolverine's origin? Nope. Do a young Emma Frost, Storm or Cyclops? Nope. Did I like the Wolverine Origins limited series, which they are using as a backstory for the character? Yes and No. It had major problems and could have been done much better, but it had elements that worked. Hopefully they'll improve on it. They have already done one good thing and moved Logan's birth back into the early 19th century rather than the late 1880s. This gives them much more room to work as Logan has a lot of living to cram in - even into a 150 years. We've seen from the trailer he fights i the Civil War in the 1860s so he had to have been born in the 1840s at the latest. This gives him plenty of time to visit Japan and train as a Samurai whereas being born in the 1890s made it slightly implausible especially as he was meant to have fought in both WW1 and WW2. Anyway, I'm straying off topic here. Clearly they are deviating from the Origins comic by making Victor Creed his half brother (the character known as Dog in the book who was not Sabretooth). This isn't necessarily a bad idea, but the proof will be in the pudding. I've heard Hugh Jackman and Liev Schreiber saying how their relationship is like McEnroe/Borg. They're both world class at what they do and can't live without the rivalry between them. They live to test themselves against each other and this competition drives them into warzone after warzone throughout the decades. The trailer we've seen already looked action packed, but not particularly deep. I'm hoping there is more substance to the film itself as Logan is such a complex character. So is Creed. They are more than killing machines. And the fact they've both lived for more than 150 years provides some wonderful storytelling opportunities. As a Wolverine fan, I'm both worried and excited for the upcoming film - just as I was for X1 before it came out. That movie looked questionable in the trailer, but the movie was excellent. Let's hope Wolverine is the same, but can we just get behind this movie for the sake of the character and wish it the best? Do we have to be so cynical and hard to please all the fucking time?
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...who I think could pull off his own origin movie is Dr. Doom. I am not saying they should (especially after the car wreck that was the FF series) but he is the only villain who has such a rich personally history I think it would work. I have always seen Doom as the mirror image of Batman.
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That tells you about the man, fair enough, but little of his mutation. Unless of course, his backstory lies with eugenics? As I said, I know nothing about Magneto.
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Sigh.
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Feb 16, 2009 9:33:13 AM CST
Flibbertygibbet you have no clue what your talking about!
by angelus_420
Wolverine has always had bone claws. A few years back Magneto ripped the metal from Wolverine's body and he had to go on with bone claws which he always had.
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Anybody complaining about the bone claws shouldn't be directing their angry messages at the filmmakers it should be at Marvel. This is old, old news and has been canon for years. People need to accept this is just the way things are. The writer/director is not going to deviate from something most Wolverine fans have been perfectly happy with for the last 15 years. I can totally see why people think giving him the claws in Weapon X is interesting and how this traumatic experience changed his personality, but bone claws also make a lot of sense from a physiological standpoint in regards the nature of his mutation. And they've always looked cool! Plus, the professor in Weapon X who oversees the experiment knows about the claws before the adamantium goes in. That's why he isn't surprised when Wolverine pops them for the first time. He even corrects a collegue who refers to them as 'knives'. He says 'not knives. claws' or something to that effect. The other people actually making the experiment happen didn't know about the claws so clearly it wasn't the intention of the experiment. Only the professor and his mysterious boss (never revealed in Weapon X, but supposedly Apocalypse or Romulus) knew about Logan's mutation and how it would influence the adamantium bonding process. This is speculation, but Logan's claws and their unique nature could be why he was chosen for Weapon X instead of Creed despite the fact that he also has a healing factor. His claws are on his fingernails and wouldn't have the same impact being bonded with adamantium. Anyway, to cut a long story short you cannot attack this movie over the bone claws. Attack it over making Creed his brother or attack it for includind Gambit and Blob etc, but bone claws are part of who Wolverine is.
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I'm not sure you just attacked the right person ;)
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To me the Holocaust and ethnic cleansing are the most important part of magneto's personality. He survived the Holocaust (I think in another 10 years they should say he survived the Yugoslavian civil war and make him a Croatian or Bosnian Muslim or something). He knows that people will turn against someone that is different then themselves. It is this experience that motivates him to strike first and take a by any means necessary approach to protecting his "people".
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Feb 16, 2009 9:38:04 AM CST
Ah......a debate over the realities of mutant claw implement
by mr. nice gaius
Interesting to see that there is still some geek-life left at AICN.
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I am not going to debate you. I have already argued my reasons why they should not be bone and why filmmakers should not feel compelled to follow comic book canon and continuity. If you want, read my earlier post. But I believe my reasons and explanations are valid.
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By the way, the new pic of Liev Schreiber as Sabretooth looks great. He might not have long, blonde locks, but otherwise he looks like a great animalistic Creed to me. And you just know he's going to nail it from a characterisation perspective. The quotes I've read from Schreiber about the character show he's done his homework and isn't willing to phone in another snarling comicbook badguy. My only concern was how he would appear visually in the movie and this pic has gone some way to allay those fears. Phew!
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Seriously, right? Gambit-shmambit...so many guys had such a boner for Gambit in the 90s and I never understood it. He's Cajun and he has the power to...throw electrified playing cards??? Really? REALLY?!? And how 'bout that haircut. I think his look and powers just sorta echoed and appealed to those...guys, usually in the midwest, with nothing better to do in the 90s than throw playing cards at each other and try to recreate wrestling matches in their crappy ass backyards... Damn, I'm cynical and mean-spirited without coffee. And forget the bone claws thing...I suppose it's too much to hope for a nude Rose bathing scene or would that make it TOO faithful to the comic? I'm still a little pissed that they could make Ian McKellan 10-feet tall for Gandalf but they can't shrink Hugh Jackman just a few feet to be a more accurate height Wolvie.
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The kid is like young Anakin Skywalker. The acting is awful and the camera angles are too wide.
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I've read your earlier post and you make some valid points. I'm not attacking you or the points you've made and like I said I totally understand why many people think Logan gaining the claws through Weapon X is the most interesting version of the character, BUT the bone claws are canon - FACT. And the majority of Wolverine fans now accept them as canon. They are not going to change such a major piece of Wolverine history because of a minority of fans. Yes, the filmmakers should not be compelled to follow comic book continuity to the letter because it doesn't always make for a good movie. In fact sometimes you can be too faithful to the source. But bone claws or no claws before Weapon X was always going to be an easy decision for the filmmakers. In fact, I bet it wasn't a decision at all, because so many fans wouldn't even question it as part of Wolverine canon these days. If this was six months after Wolverine lost his adamantium in the comics they have had debated whether to go with the original backstory with implanted claws or use the "new" origin, but when it's been canon for 17 years? They probabbly didn't think twice about including it. A more risky decision and one I have far more trouble with is going with the reasonably recent Wolverine Origins limited series version of Logan's past, which I've spent the last five years kind of hoping they would turn into a memory implant. But since it's currently canon and soon to be immortalised in the movie I'll just have to accept it. I just hope they don't make him James Howlett in the movie - I've always hated that stupid surname.
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Fair play, that makes sense then. I would still say though that if you removed the concentration camp scene, they would've had to explain in some way the greater relevance of the tattoo. Of course, I haven't seen the film in years - maybe they did ;)
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And it looks even better than the Sabretooth one. Jackman and Schreiber running at each other with claws extended. Am I the only one who think that image doesn't look cool? If this talkback is any indication I'll be sitting in the cinema by myself come May 2...
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suck It douche bag. Very insightful quotes. That origin is laughable in comparison to the awsome force that is wolverine origins (which is the oficial origin story if you read the forward... Or have someone read it to you in your case). if that is the wolvarine you're interested In then you are probably in a consisetantly dissappointed mood regarding wolverine ( because it sucks and nobody uses it). Bone claws make sense because he is called wolverine and has incredible animalistic sensory. Althoug I do think that the healing factor effecting his senses should be included... But natural and not metal claws before adamentium make sense or he woulnt be wolverine. He would just be "dog" otherwise. I've read your talkbacks in a lot of other issues and have often agreed but not this time
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even before the FOX boycott idea, i wasn't going to pay money in the first weeks of box-office opening after seeing the first trailer with the insane motorcycle/helicopter face off, the fey Gambit, etc. Oh and spoiler alert: Stryker lives and gets away at the end of this one. unless they totally screw that up too.
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You get the idea. Bone claws Make sense based on a natural standpoint because wolverines have claws. No quarrel intended. Much respect for Knowing the shit
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gotta love the punnish shit names comic characters have. so, since i haven't picked up a wolverine comic since like 1992, can anyone tell me, if his name is james howlett (howl at THE MOON, GEDDIT?! even though he's a wolverine, not a WOLF)- then where does 'logan' come from?
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Honestly I'm actually intrigued in the whole bone claw debate but that was my actual reaction to the moment in the clip. Personally, I think that from a narrative standpoint the healing powers/added claws works best ... I hope that they explain it in terms of musculature, and that it is bloody and awesome, because otherwise it won't be worth it.
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Feb 16, 2009 10:17:29 AM CST
brandon I think dog became sabretooth, jimmy 'logan' howlett
by ironic_name
became wolverine.
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If memory serves Logan was the surname of Wolverine's real father. The mutton-chopped handy-man who knocked up the lady of the manor in 19th century Canada. When the handyman kills Wolverine's daddy, Mr Howlett, with a shotgun and tries to run away with the mother, the young Wolverine flips out and stabs his real father to death with his newly emerged claws. He's then cast out for being a freak and lives in the woods. His healing factor doesn't just repair his body, but also his mind and he blanks out the traumatic memories adopting the name 'Logan' supposedly acknowledging his true heritage. Still I hate the surname Howlett. Always have and always will.
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I'm guessing it's not part of the film's storyline, but if they've made Creed, Logan's half brother (same father, different mother I'm guessing) they could easily incorporate the Claremont/Byrne storyline of Sabretooth tracking down Logan on his birthday each year and beating him almost to death. Obviously, Creed kills Silverfox in the movie so hopefully they've had him do it on Logan's birthday. I always liked that storyline and it made Creed just that bit more sadistic. In some ways, Creed being Logan's brother gives their relationship more of a sense of rivalry or competition as opposed to them being father and son.
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http://tinyurl.com/5r2st4
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yeeeeaaars ago i had an idea that wolvie's regenerative mutation was actually kind of cancerous- an overgrowth of celluar activity...and that constantly scrapping and getting wounded was the only way to keep it in check, cut it back, like mowing grass -to put it simply. If wolvie never got shot, cut, stabbed, shredded- the mutation would just keep growing cells that weren't needed- deforming wolvie with crazy bone growths and skin problems- eventually leading to death...and that basically, wolvie was always willing to go off to war or get in a scrap because it was better treatment of his condition than laying in a hospital bed trying to get cured of it.
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From the movie? Anyone got a link?
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you said " The best part of what Claremont/Byrne came up with about Wolvie/Sabretooth never got used, that Sabretooth is Wolverine's father and he tracks Wolvie down every year on his birthday and beats him to within an inch of his life just to prove that he can."
that's a very johnny cash kind of premise- kind of an inverse 'boy named sue'. and i like it in a way. but why would a father hate his son so much? did he claw his way out of mommy? and the whole father/son surprise dynamic has forever been tainted by star wars. having them be brothers- or half brothers- is better because of the rivalry- especially if there was favoritism or some question of purity in the lineage. -
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Feb 16, 2009 10:37:31 AM CST
So the old idea that Sabretooth is Wolverine's father is taking
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Feb 16, 2009 10:38:59 AM CST
by the way I think the bone claws are good, just wierd that...
by ironic_name
the x rays http://tinyurl.com/cdexar http://tinyurl.com/cxr79l show cables attached to the artificial radius and ulna, so I thought 'movie wolverine' didn't have claws. this doesn't deserve any worrying.
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Feb 16, 2009 10:43:45 AM CST
michael york says to not think about it too hard and have a good
by ironic_name
he could cure any disease, mutate and grow like a cancerous tetsuo in akira, and have to cut his own adamantium carpal joints. BUT ITS NOT REAL.
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yeah, i hadn't seen those. seems singer was originally going with the totally built from scratch claws idea. and again- look at the crazy wrist issues that poor guy would have...
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So that was pretty damn enjoyable.
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2002 talk back all over again. Sigh nerds suck!
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Little Wolvie should be gushing blood outta them hands....or healing factor was really aces when he was young.
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yup. if that was his 'first time', it should be bloody and violent and traumatizing, not 'pop'- look i have claws and automatically my first response is to run stab you with them, questioning nothing.so we are to assume he had his healing factor then. in which case, why didn't he stay that age a bit longer? or did he age normally and then the regeneratives really kick in and preserve him at his 'prime'? and wouldn't that be 18? will he look 40 when he's in the civil war? and i thought mutations were a recent thing, underlying in many but triggered to become more comon in the atomic age- or am i pulling from 60's canon here?
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And she kicked Dr. Dooms ass.
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they know everyone is going to hate the bone claws. So why put it in the trailer lol!!! They should be hiding that shit.
These people DO NOT have a fucking CLUE.Jason Vorhees, Pot FarmerBoba Fett, Child coming out of the bathroom to talk to daddy in cush apartment.Darth Vader, Child who says "are you an angel?"Wolverine, child with bone claws. -
Cobra Commander and Snake Eyes, Children who happen to know each other as children and have sword fights together.Origin stories are very rarely justified. People may ASK to see the origins. but they really don't want to see them. Realize this simple truth hollywood and you'll be far better off. Either that or AT LEAST craft a GOOD origin story which somehow leaves the character as somewhat of a mystery.
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"Boba Fett, Child coming out of the bathroom to talk to daddy in cush apartment." ha ha i laugh every time i hear that. and nobody thought that was kind of creepy? he was basically raising a little clone of himself as a son?- like, the cloners just let him keep one since he was so kindly letting them use his genetics for the clone army? and seriously, some new zealand dude was the best physical specimen the (budding) empire could come up with to make an army of super soldiers?
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It's my most anticipated movie of like... any era! And from what I've seen, it's following quite a bit that was in the Marvel Origins. The bitching people probably aren't Wolverine fans anyway and haven't followed his story in the comics. Wolverine with his bone claws as a little kid WAS in the comic and IS canon.
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that was awful. i can't believe this is gonna be an origin story. wolverine was best when he was mysterious. that bullshit origin was terrible.
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Think about it, if Wolverine wasn't born with retractable bone claws, then the Weapon X team would have had to invent some form of prosthesis that interacted directly with Wolverine's neural system. And the Weapon X team would have been so cute as to give him "claws" after recognizing his other feral traits.
Mind-controlled prosthesis! Forty years ago! They can't do such a thing now.
It's much more plausible that he was just born with the claws and Weapon X coated them with adamantium. -
The Childhood Origin Menace
No one wants to see adult heroes and villians as cute little kids. But since TPM did well at the box office, I guess that's what we'll be getting. -
No wonder Fox was trying to steal Watchmen from the people with the balls to actually make it.
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Feb 16, 2009 11:38:21 AM CST
you idiots should stop debating what his claws are made of...
by bmacsmith
and start debating why that trailer fucking sucked balls. bone or not, that was just hilarious.
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It's true, people who don't understand Wolverine canon/lore and the ones bitching. Now when the comics came out showing that Wolverine had bone claws there were some bitching but those people were reading the comics and understood the story. Same with the Marvel Origins showing Wolverine/Logan as a young kid. Marvel said they did the origin story because they wanted their version of where Logan came from, not some tight-ass studio exec somewhere who doesn't know the difference between Wolverine and his freaking poodle. Marvel's version may not have been perfect, but I'd rather they do it.
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But after awhile (hell, sooner than awhile), you get tired of hearing guys just...con-stant-ly bitch about....everything. This and goddamn YouTube. The decline of society. People throwing in their (almost always negative) two cents about everything. Anything and everything. And I have to resort to the same thing to comment. Jesus. "I'm not gonna see this shit, blah blah blah..." when they know damn well their cynical, hipster dumb-asses will be planted deep in their local cineplex seats, next to equally chatty and annoying buddies and or waaay too skinny girlfriend, all of whom will be texting their dumb little thumbs off to each other about how much "azzz" the movie sucks. God it's fun turning into a grumpy old man!
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Origin was the death stroke for Wolverine comics (I stopped reading Wolvie once Tieri got the boot). I'm sorely disappointed seeing that crap recreated here.
I dig Hugh as Logan, but between the Origin crap and as the serious faux pas of Maverick being omitted (this is pre-House of M/Legacy Virus etc.), LAME.
I'm still going to see this for Hugh, for the Wolverine Weapon X moments and for Ryan Reynolds.
Sadly, what was only one strike against is now two with the Origins garbage mixed in.
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All from the comics. So that kid is very well cast. The bone claws existed before Origin, so I don't get the bitching when they were introduced at the time that Magneto ripped the adamantium from his bones. Why are bone claws ok, they make the most sense. If all Weapon X did was lace his bones with metal, how would he get solid metal claws? How would his body be able to even use the claws, he'd need special muscles and other body parts to control them.
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but Marvel did do it and frankly, if it bugs you, just ignore it. It could be a hallucination anyway, seeing that I really don't think Logan knows where he came from. And really, I don't think we're going to get much of Logan's origin in the movie. That one flashback may be it, it serves the purpose of showing the bone claws.
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With all the gripes about the origin, etc - no-one has said anything about Alpha Flight which is what I immediatly thought of in the trailer that mentions "putting a team together" and then it shows the Blob - WTH??Bone claws - no biggie - it's still cool - organic shooters were fine, Peter still made the international sign language sign for love when using them so it's all good, right?Personally though I would have preferred the whole Mariko/Yukio Japanese love triangle thing, but then I haven't picked up an X-men since Paul Smith was pencilling and Art Adams did the Annual.
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The matter at hand is that this trailer sucks.
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his origin was unknown and unknowable. he had a million different memories of past lives, and they constantly clashed with each other. just when you thought they had finally written the definitive backstory, it would turn out to be a lie. because you never knew the truth, you could always imagine he had some crazy, epic life. then they had to go fuck it up with that definitive generic origin story. now i don't really care about him any more.
She's like that hot mysterious chick you don't know anything about but want to. but then you go talk to her and find out she's just another generic suburban chick who hangs out at the mall and listens to Britney Spears. -
...and then finds out that he is his biological father. Didn't Kate do the same thing?
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Criticizing Star Wars bc they used a New Zealander as a top specimen for cloning? Do you not realize how fucking ignorant you sound when you write crap like that?
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"Logan" was the name of the guy who killed his pappy, he takes it as his name when he's outcast from the family.
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the clone army was based onjango fett, who -as far as beings go in the star wars universe- was just a guy, a bounty hunter. i wasn't knocking the actual guy or actor, he's just a guy from new zealand,am i incorrect there?! Temuera Derek Morrison. i sorry i offended you, are you him? jango fett had no special prowess that wasn't provided by his gadgets.
i mean that would be like if the empire cloned any ordinary guy as a perfect specimen to become their army.
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that i was making a rascist statement. you misread what i said. you should know better.now anyway, back to wolverine, please.
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You just sound like an idiot when you're like "Is a New Zealander the best they could do?!?" I shouldn't have to point out the obvious, but he wasn't just an ordinary guy- he was a fucking bounty hunter, and according to the movie and other canon, a badass bounty hunter at that. And he wasn't picked arbitrarily. Count Dooku had some sort of competition/quest to find the toughest bounty hunter in the galaxy, and he came out on top. Course, we wouldn't know this from only watching the movie, but we can certainly see he's more than just an "ordinary guy". Your argument doesn't have enough weight.
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and HapaPapa72, I try not to worry about it. why are you worried about what other people think? because in a way, you care. when we get angry at morons who say "I will never ever watch a full episode of transformers animated because it ruins the legacy of transformers" and then cut to three years later they're complaining about only having two of every tf animated figure instead of three [one to open, another to keep sealed, another to sell on ebay how they hate that they have to wait till next week to get seasons 1-2 on blu ray, its because we want them to be happy. when I tried telling people heath's joker looked good on superherhype, people said "this isn't joker! I won't see this! I want a blue cowl and grey suit!" so I gave up and came here where people seem to have tenuous grip as to how silly adrian brody in whiteface and chris bale in spandex is dumb.
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so nope, i'm not hip to the extensive hunt dooku did for a specimen.
i do only know what i saw the movies give us. just sayin, any willing creature or humanoid for that matter would have been more impressive than a human. i mean i could pick apart lucas logic all day. for starters obi wan in new hope saying that 'only stormtroopers are this accurate' and yet we never see one crack a straight shot the entire movie...and i assume the majority if not all stormtroopers are explained away as clones by that point, therefore i assume jango was a sucky fighter. -
Wowzers. Had to stop that trailer midway - cant take anymore. I hate the new kids phrase "FAIL". Saw it being used her alot in the last few weeks and was like "how old are these talkbackers?" How about a good old "Nuke The Fridge" for a change. Went to dinner last thursday and a kid had a custom t-shirt on that said "FAIL" and I wanted to punch him in the face. Never thought I would ever use that idiotic phrase to describe anything - the plot plot of SUPERMAN RETURNS - last seasons 24 - Heroes endless tire spinning narrative --- but seeing a lil' Wolverine in a nightshirt spawning rage induced BONE CLAWS....Holy fucking shit! I must now make a post I never thought I would ever do...
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Huh? No, no, no. Skinny girls = HOT. Fat girls = NOT. Period. I'll take too skinny (whatever the fuck that means) over fat ANY FUCKING DAY.
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I feel dirty.
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I've read some of the comics growing up as a kid, but I didn't get too into the origin stories. I bought the action figures, and was a willing slave to that awesome cartoon show during the 90's. I can honestly say that this trailer is confusing and bland as fuck! That is all.
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I think the competition by Count Dooku idea was presented in the "Bounty Hunter" video game for the GameCube many years ago. Which I never finished, but had some excellent voice work by Clancy Brown.
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the storm troopersand their shitty aim prove it to be so!
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Wow, that looked terrible???!!!
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But...was that alluding to Sabertooth being Logan's father? Maybe something in the comics I never picked up on?
Please be good. Pretty please.... -
Maybe Bone Claws don't believe in talking Wolverines either!
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I'll be right back with more comments
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It looks like a TV movie, only lesser.
As for the "origin" it's a clear rip off Hammer style movies.
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Ive been here for ten years too brother and you're absafuckinlutly right. This is how it's always been. Every time I see someone complaining about complaining I think "Awww someone's here for the very foist time! E's a widdle newbie!". You learn how to go with it or you go to CHUD where the pussies get their news. People here don't hate movies, they hate crap. Crap being relative to the individual causes...well, a forum so infamous for its shit-talking that it gets parodied in Jay and Silent Bob (Does Kevin Smith still have a Black Box?). Anyway the whole point, and people who make movies know this (whether they care or not is a different story but they KNOW it either way), if you can win over MOST of the TalkBack on a movie you have something worth two shits and possible a single fuck. In Conclusion, If anyone I knows sees Youngblood The Movie I'll never speak to them again. I'm dead fucking serious.
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And a truckload of strippers. You get those two things for me, and I'll be there to see this shit. Otherwise, I'll be washing my socks.
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Forgive me if I'm behind, but wasn't it always hinted that Sabertooth was Logan's father. I never read Origins, so I don't know if that was cleared up. But isn't Little Logan impaling Sabertooth in that trailer?
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You're right allykatD, I am no fan of Wolverine. I only started reading about him in, oh, the late 70's when him and the other X-Men were captured by Arcade. And I was reading him up to the 90s.
One of the reasons I stopped reading Wolverine was because of the bone claws. You want to know why? Because it went against the CANON that was already established. It was already determined that Wolverine's claws were mechanical in previous stories, but because some writer decided to ignore the evidence he went and revealed that Wolverine has bone claws (they also went and had Magneto suck the adamantium out of his body which also would go completely against any sort of continuity or logic at the time).
So if you like bone claws and consider it vital to Wolverine's origins fine, but just remember there are other people out there who started reading him earlier and see this as going against what was established comic book CANON. -
and damn the torpedoes while we're at it.
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how does the old sabretooth from part one fit with the new one? are they just going to ignore him? is he the same dude? is he an imposter? i haven't heard anything explaining them.
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the kid wolvi looks awful, right!
didnt get the liev schreiber cast at all and i really dont know how it will fit 2 the x1 tyler maine charakter?
and by the way: f4 1-2, dare devil, elektra and ghost rider, x3 were really sick shit comic movies i didnt like them at all!
if someone really digs ben affleck in any way as an actor or super hero, he must be blind and out of his mind.colin was just bad as bullseye as tommy lee jones was as two face in batman forever!
i really dont wanna talk about the kids movies f4 and ghost rider was a shame it started with cage being cast for this role!
elektra was boring as hell!
about wolverine...i like hugh jackman, was one of the best parts in x1-3 even i think they should have taken russell crowe, or mel gibson...somehow i dig the gary senise rumor 2!
in my opinion hugh jackman is way 2 tall for wolvi, we all know wolverine is a smaller charakter and high jackman is what 6' 2 so its always lookin strange cus every villain he has should be around 6` 10.
so what i`ve seen so far didnt gets me mad or nearly makes me happy...i guess i skip it in the cinema and bring my money 2 the watchmen and watch wolverine on dvd. so i`ll be happy and so should you.
BUT HELL NO I WONT BE WATCHING IN ANY WAY I.PUSSY BASTERDS!
i`ll wait for the man sly when he rips the hell apart with his expandables.
quentin lost his magic long long time ago and he is a liar! -
Drunk or brain damaged? Which is it?
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Even in the comics. Pure retcon fanboy dogshit. The "Origin" comics were the straw on the camel's back that made me give up buying Marvel comics for good. Liev Schrieber looks a lot more promising as Sabretooth than Triple Mane did. This does look rather Elektra, though. And, yes, Virginia, Daredevil sucked. But not as much as stupid ass bone claws.
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FATAL ATTRACTIONS WAS THE FUCKING STORYLINE FROM THE 90'S WHERE MAGNETO RIPPED OUT WOLVERINES SKELLY!
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The child playing Young Wolverine does not look serviceable at all, correct? I do not understand why they cast Liev Schreiber and it doesn't strike me how they can mesh his Sabertooth with the previous Tyler Mane Sabertooth from X-Men. On an unrelated note, Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider and X-Men:The Last Stand were all inferior movies that I really could do without. If there is anyone who prefers the acting talents of Ben Affleck in superhero roles or otherwise I must call into question their judgement and eyesight. Colin Ferrel was on par with Tommy Lee Jones as Two Face in Batman Forever in the awful department! I do not feel it necessary to speak of the childrens films Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, and Ghost Rider but for the latter, it WAS a shame they cast Nicholas Cage in the role. I found Elektra rote and boring. Now, about this whole Wolverine business, I do like Hugh Jackman as he was one of the best parts of X-Men, X-Men United, and X-Men:The Last Stand but even still, my person and humble opinion suggests they should have gone with Russell Crowe or Mel Gibson. I also quite enjoyed that Gary Sinese rumor as well! Again I think that Hugh Jackman is too tall for Wolverine. We all know he is a smaller character and Hugh Jackman is over 6 feet tall. Every villain he has should be 6 feet 10 inches or so to keep the proportions correct! What I have seen so far makes me completely indifferent. I plan on using my dollar as a vote in the theater and seeing Watchmen while I plan on renting Wolverine on DVD. That will make me satisfied and I recommend that course of action for you as well. I MUST STRESS WITH GREAT EMPHASIS THAT I WILL NOT, REPEAT,WILL NOT BE WATCHING INGLORIOUS BASTERDS! I shall wait for Sylvester Stallone when he wows us once again with his Herculean manliness in The Expendables. Quentin Tarantino lost his "IT" factor a long time ago and I really have reservations on whether or not he tells the truth.
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I hate to bitch about the people who bitch about the people who bitch about the people in here, but c'mon! Somebody doesn't dig all the negative TB shit and you want to give them negative TB shit for that? The people bitching about all the negative TB have a point. The people bitching about the people bitching about all the negative TB are bitches who enjoy bitching and don't cater to being called out for being bitches.
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Good on ya
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Feb 16, 2009 7:08:43 PM CST
Why there is bone claw hatred and the race to hyperbole over Ori
by sithtastic
Bone claw hatred has its roots way way back during the X-Men 30th Anniversary run wherein, Magneto literally ripped the adamantium out of Wolverine and he was later revealed to have bone claws. The fans at the time despised this sudden change (I remember very well attending a panel at Philly Con in `93 where almost to a man the room voted against an adamantiumless Logan). This aside, once the story of Origin was told, I didn't find myself so angry. I for one did not mind seeing Wolverine as human and vulnerable, so the whole premature hatred for this film strikes me as being over the top.
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The ass of my childhood feels sore.
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That trailer was all kinds of bad: god-awful line reading, hilarious mini bone claws and melodramatic soap opera junk with the two lost little boys in the woods. I can already see WOLVERINE being a Razzie nominee at the end of the year.
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I was .. looking at the light
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"OOOOOOOOOhhh GOOOD!! They're FUCKing reTRACTing!!! OOOOOOOOhhh GOOOOD!!!"
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That's why he gets all the pussy.
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Check out Node39976 for the answer.
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Feb 16, 2009 8:06:26 PM CST
WHY JACKMAN ENDED UP WITH WOLVERINE WHILE NOLAN, CAINE AND BALE
by bringingsexyback
went on to do The Dark Knight:
He tweaked the light on the set of The Prestige. -
I am honestly more interested in this than I was in seeing TDK a second time- sitting thru that once was plenty.....
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Will Smith or Sam Jackson offered the Wolverine part from the very start? You know the first X-Men movie, on through.
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http://nerdworld.blogs.time.com/2009/02/16/my-own-private-watchmen/ Who cares about this Wolverine crap?
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Just kidding. Looking forward to it too. Funny to see we only get two comic blockbusters this year as opposed to the embarrassing spoils we got in 2008...
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...I was really hesitant about this movie, what with the letter to Harry and the photo-shop nipples thing, but this spot looks pretty good...stays true to the "officialy recognized" origin story. What's you people's problem. FOX does suck balls but I can get over it.
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Because that is the name that his companion Rose (the Jean Grey lookalike) gave him when they showed up at the mining camp, presumably as a cover because they were on the run. It was also the surname of the family's groundskeeper and his possible biological father, who he killed when the claws first emerged. Origin never explicitly states that the groundskeeper fathered Wolverine, but it's strongly hinted at by his appearance. The groundskeeper Logan in Origin looks almost exactly like the adult Wolverine. Seems like this movie is making that explicit though, even though the actor looks more like Sabretooth - and that's not Liev Schreiber, it's Aussie actor Aaron Jeffery. More Aussies in this than I thought! Anyone else from Down Under watch Love My Way or the new Underbelly? That was Asher Keddie as the female Weapon X scientist at the beginning of this clip!!
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It's weird that Sabertooth is Logan's brother.
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Feb 16, 2009 9:40:59 PM CST
If the Wolverine movie sucks then Ratner isn't a hack.
by stereotypical evil archer
Just sayin'.
Ratner was crucified for his (meaning 20th Century Fox and Marvel) take on the X-Men story.If this movie sucks then it redeems Ratner and places the blame on Marvel and Rothman for the travesty that was X-Men 3.I'd rather live in a world where Ratner is a hack; like in Californication. Those writers hate Ratner. -
For real!
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It's only "canon" to those too young to recall "network TV" before there was even a Fox TV channel. I'm not saying nothing can ever change or evolve. I'm just saying that bone claws go AGAINST the original canon. And that if you embrace them, you deserve the movie Fox is gonna give you this year.
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I know that there's an "official" origin for Victor Creed (aka Sabertooth) out there. In fact, Marvel just retold it last week in "X-Men: Origins - Sabertooth".
Unfortunately, the origin itself is so thin that it might as well be another one of those infamous Weapon X memory implants. For all we know, Sabertooth is more fucked up in the head than even Wolverine.
Marvel has consistently dicked around with the Logan/Creed connection for years. At one point, it was hinted that they may be father & son. At another point, Marvel played around with the idea of them being brothers. Even the Ultimate Universe version of Sabertooth had him as Wolverine's son - although Creed could've just been screwing with his head.
The fact is, if everything is as we assume and the grounds keeper is Wolvie's father then that would make his son Wolverine's 1/2 brother. In the "Origin" comic, this character was referred to as "Dog" and was pretty much never seen from or referred to again. Some in the fan community even suggested that "Dog" was actually Sabertooth.
I think that this movie is trying to do here. It's trying reconcile the VERY complex comic relationship between Logan & Creed with the existence of the character of "Dog." It's trying to tie everything up in a nice clean bow. After all, this "organic" development of the characters has truly managed to fuck up and muddy what should be a straight forward origin.
I don't have a problem with them making Sabertooth and Wolverine brothers. If anything, it explains the love/hate relationship that they've had for decades. It DOES clean up everything nicely and gift wraps it.
Since Creed's origin is so thinly defined and not at all well framed in the context of the rest of the Marvel Universe, I can totally buy this revised origin piece in the movie. Frankly, I'd much rather they make that canon in the comics than the messy shit that they have in place now.
As far as thise 1 minute clips go.... They're out of context. They're not at all full segments. They're teasers. Most importantly, they're NOT trailers. Stop referring to them as such.
The better portion of you guys here bitch and moan when we ALL know that you're going to see the movie anyway. It's actually pathetic. Don't come onto these threads if you're opposed to the film. You don't have to be a fanboy to post your comments, but haters who hate for hate's sake are just sad.
Even more, if you honestly don't intend on seeing the movie, don't even bother to slam the flick. You've given up your right to bitch. Bitching is only appropriate if you can make an informed opinion. No way that you can do that without actually seeing the movie. If the movie does indeed suck and you DO manage to see it.... then you can bitch. Scream all of the "bat nipple" & "optimus flame" crap you want. Until then... ZIP IT. =)
For what it's worth, I'm fairly excited by what I've seen thus far. FOX and Marvel have made certain compromises that hardcore fans may be pissed off by. However, the movie universe was NEVER the same as the comic universe. They're distinct entities.
The lack of blood on the bone claws doesn't bother me. We'd have to assume that his healing factor kicked in too. That'd take care of the wound, imho.
As far as the kid actor goes.... He actually reminds me of the kid who played the young Ashton Kutcher in "The Butterfly Effect." Had this movie been made a couple of years back, I'd have been certain they were the same twerp.
ANYWAY.... I like what I see so far and want to see more. It's an action movie not rocket science. I go for the cheap thrills & VFX not the intellectual stimulation or high class acting. -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBdSeXBeKk4
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Wolverine is called Logan. However, his real birth name is James Howlett. Jimmy is a nickname for James. Tada!
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I just got in here and didn't read every single talk back so if this was fully covered already, I apologize for the repeated info... Wolverine's mutation doesn't and never has stopped with just the healing factor but has also always included the bone claws. It was actually (first?) revealed back in Wolverine #25 when Magneto plucked all of Wolvie's adamantium from his skeleton. And really it makes so much more sense than Weapon X giving him the adamantium AND claws. Because really, without the claws to begin with...having a healing factor isn't so special.And if you haven't done so, I definitely can recommend picking up, reading and enjoying 'Origin'...it's quite good!
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GO FUCK YOURSELF! THIS PLACE IS ANARCHY! WE DO WHAT WE LIKE! YOU CAN'T CONTROL THIS SHIT! WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD-OF-ALL-RIGHTEOUS-TALKBACK-ETIQUETTE HUH? ANGELBUTT-FUCKER! OH THAT'S RIGHT NO ONE BECAUSE ONE NEVER FUCKING EXISTED YOU FUCKING COCK GLOBULE! IF WE WANT TO HATE ON SHIT WE'RE GOING TO FUCKING DO IT! DON'T TRY AND CENSOR US YOU GODDAMN TOTALITARIAN MENSES GULPER! In conclusion Im just fuckin with ya, as this IS indeed fucking ANARCHY you do whatever you want I don't give a shit.
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I think some people are confused. The second is the shit series that over-explains his past with ridiculous, non-sensical conspiracy shit. The first is the miniseries that established the James Howlett childhood backstory. In my opinion, it's much more interesting from a story perspective to make Wolvie the sickly kid rather than the feral boy. A lot further to go, character-wise. And the bone claws just make the most sense, again from a story perspective. And it's the easiest thing to represent visually. And yeah, it's canon. Has been for a long time. Deal with it. There's nothing I've seen in the trailers and clips that screams 'fail.' I agree that it already looks better than X3. Quit yer bitchin.
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Wolverine is Canadian. This shit box film is ignoring that. Fuck them.
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Who is Sabertooth now.... great...
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what you said
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First X-Men 3 and now this steaming pile of pony loaf... I hope DC Comics is paying attention, because the way Marvel has been pissing on their own properties lately, this is the perfect opportunity for DC to come in and make a killing by producing GOOD comic book movies. You would have thought after The Dark Knight, Marvel would have realized there was a whole new standard to live up to and that fanboy adoration of the character alone wasn't going to cut it anymore.
Fuck Fox. Fuck Marvel. And fuck everyone who pays money to see this turd. -
http://tinyurl.com/czyqyz Deadpool looks serious! Dammit.
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Mr. sarcastic brawler.
I dont understand how people were expecting to see the same Deadpool as from the comics since his whole purpose is to parody everything around him. He's like a monkey wrench writers get to occasionally throw into the gears for fans.
They obviously wouldn't be able to make him a self-aware, cynical, 4th wall breaking jackass without destroying the movie. -
Animal claws are made of keratin.
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[I guess we know the true fans from the posers now]
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Just because it was canon in '93 doesn't make it any good. I mean, Peter Parker's parents have been spies since 1969 and I think most people still think that was a horrible idea.
Seriously, you keep this up and me and you are done, professionally. Fucking ass. -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-9sFnfu0b4
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...a definite "Elektra-movie-like" stink to it. Never a good sign.
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Translation above = pure comedy gold. THAT'S entertainment.
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...mainly because of the way the "Image-esque" artists in the 90's drew the damn things. As was the style at the time, they were big, knotty, overly-rendered things with superfluous, scratchmark shading on them that had nothing to do with any actual lightsource or shadows. They just looked gnarly, hence all the hate. 90's comics really sucked @$$.
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wolverine: the civil war years. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Summed up in less than 2 minutes. I can stay home now!
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along w/ the not-quite-confirmed bit about Sabretooth being related.
Color me excited - that's some of the better back-story for an X-man I've read. -
Why oh why are there so many whiners on this board FFS
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That last comment was just as useless as what you were fighting
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I can't even believe the hate I'm seeing towards the origin graphic novel... It's so epic and arguably one of the best comics. And as far as bone claws. Hating on those is like saying you hate thing that make sense
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