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SARAH CONNOR’s Ratings Plummet Another 27%!!
I am – Hercules!!
A third season of “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” just got a little less likely.
The series, which already plunged 43% from its season-one premiere to its season-two debut, dipped something like 27% below its previous series low, according to James Hibberd’s Live Feed over at the Hollywood Reporter.
(Ironically, last night’s Friday the 13th episode, scripted by “Andromeda” vets Zack Stentz and Ashley Miller and featuring Shirley Manson’s T-1001 going all Cylon at a troublesome factory, may have been the most compelling installment of the series to date.)
“Dollhouse,” which followed “Terminator,” improved mightily on its lead-in but still scored the second-worst series-premiere numbers of the season, after the Friday-night debut of NBC’s “Crusoe.” (Hopefully Fox will remember to remember that a far different ratings story would have emerged had “Dollhouse” been given “Fringe’s” post-“American Idol” berth – instead of the channel’s infamously deadly-to-sci-fi Fox Friday Death Slot.)
“Dollhouse” did perform better than the premiere of “Canterbury’s Law,” which occupied its timeslot last season.
Preliminary 18-49 Friday ratings:
3.4 20/20
2.4 Ghost Whisperer
2.2 Supernanny
2.0 Dollhouse
1.9 Flashpoint
1.5 Wife Swap
1.3 Terminator
1.2 Howie Do It
1.1 Friday Night Lights
Find all of Hibberd’s story on the matter here.
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darn, i actually kinda liked the show. Totally expected it to suck when it started.
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This series was trying to take a cool sci-fi franchise and turn it into "Buffy".
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Another great show bites the dust I'll warrant.
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I love this show. Great acting. Excellent writing. Why is it doing so poorly?
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fucking hell. This is bullshit. the way they use the mythology is great, the episodes are entertaining as hell. Be a real shame if they cancel it.
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I'm watching it right now here on British TV on Vrigin 1. A guy and a girl are talking about relationship problems in a car. It's like, Dawson's Creek. Utter wank.
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Channel is airing Splinter tonight, weeks before the DVD release. I've not seen it, but the trailer looked great and it got good reviews. Just thought it was surprising that SciFi would air something GOOD on a Saturday night.
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you judge a whole show based on one scene. you're a fucking idiot.
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has been like a weak coffee with all the coffee left out, and extra milk added.
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It was never much more than that, right? And it was on for 7 seasons.
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the american people know shit when they see it
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Hey Fox, a scifi geek here. Why would you ever bother with a Terminator TV show? I couldn't be any more disinterested. Don't get me wrong, I love the Terminator. But really, we have a big budget Terminator trilogy getting ready to start, the premise of the show is to retread already covered ground (actually they sent an army of Terminators to kill Connor and guess what, even if the show runs for 8 seasons, when it's all said and done they fail, yawn. Then you have the audacity to put Brian Austin Green in it. Thanks but no thanks. See you this summer in the theatre, I will probably end up watching Salvation, even if it's awful 10 times (including TV and cable)but I can't find 45 min for your TV tripe.
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but Gillian Anderson was hotter than Termanatrix is IMO
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Not until Salvation comes out anyway.
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But the only way the big studios are going to start thinking carefully about really making important/clever films or TV shows, is if people actually start saying it like it is. Because as long as you settle for the offensively bland likes of the 'Buffy' type shows etc, these studios are going to carry on pissing money away making this crap and shovelling at you down your telly tube and cinema screens.
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The first couple of episodes of this show were actually fun and captured the edgy life on the run flavor of Terminator 1. But then it just became Terminator of the week with incredibly silly scripts and cheesy, low-rent staging. Just compare any episode to BSG and you see the vast swatch of difference in writing, direction, acting and storytelling. Put it out of its misery already.
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Forgot to mention the positive...
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Feb 14, 2009 2:54:23 PM CST
shoving it to Fridays, and premiering on Valentine's weekend
by chromedome
ANYBODY should know that the target demographic for this and for Dollhouse in not gonna be watching on a Friday night. Put it on Sunday night.But Fox knows even less about science fiction fans than it does about science fiction.DVRs and timeshifted viewing needs to be considered in ratings for stupid timeslots like this.
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I've enjoyed TSCC. I dont see how they can wrap everything up by the end of the season,but it would be nice to have two complete seasons. The producers have to know its at an end...boo on them if they leave a lot of dangling plotlines that never ger resolved(or worse yet,get resolved in a crappy comic 2 to 3 years later...seriously Hollywood,stop doing that shit)
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The fact that Summer Glau is so good looking that most sci-fi fanboys would happily watch her sitting on a stool for an hour every week is the only real thing this show has going for it. And if you take her out of the equation, you'd just be left with an hour of stool.
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It seems like the best any genre show gets is in the two's. Am I wrong? (Not counting Lost or other Big 3 shows.) Is that OK for shows on SciFi (BSG/Farscape) and formerly UPN/WB (Buffy/Angel), but not Fox? I don't get it.
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Seriously, the writers need to clean this whole teenage angst storyline up. The girlfriend SUCKS... lets stick to John, Sarah, Cameron, and Derek... throw in robot sex between john and cameron, or whatever... lets get rid of the dumb whiney wrist slashing emo girlfriend.
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Last night's episode had the "ghost of Kyle Reese" popping into Sarah's mind the whole time. The fucking guy would not shut the fuck up. I found the whole thing incredibly repetitious and boring, even when a T-1000 was committing a massacre I was boaed. I turned it off at 8:45.
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I also could not stop staring at the ridiculous facial hair on the actor playing Kyle Reese. It looked like the bad plastic surgery from Team America.
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I am damn glad they gave them a post Idol slot- they are doing damn good work on that show. I'm sorry, Hercules, but Dollhouse isn't as good as the shows airing on Fox Mon-Thurs.
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I heard a promo for it on the radio where "Sarah" says she is trying to save the world. Well we all know that doesn't happen so what the hell is the point? If this was James Cameron's show, then MAYBE it would work- it would be his true vision for that universe. As it is, though, it's just fanboy crap.
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don't deserve to watch television. i guess i should feel lucky that I even got three seasons of this great and perpetually low rated show in the first place.
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When I didn't realize it was on until I went to set the dvr for Dollhouse. A move plus lack of promotion to alert people to move sounds like network-assisted suicide.
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BAG has actually been pretty damn good in the show so far.
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He's banging Megan Fox?
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Really. The show can't match the spectacle of the Terminator movies, but they are compensating with pretty well thought-out character development and story arcs.
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When you premier two shows on the second busiest date night of the year. The only people watching tv last night were the old folks, which explains the top three watched shows on that list.
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Friday night's probably the worst night for TV, 'cause people tend to go out on Friday nights. And Especially on Valentine's Day weekend. What the fuck did they expect? "Hey, baby, how 'bout we come back to my place, light some candles, open a bottle of wine...and watch Terminator!!!!!"
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Was NEVER going to improve in this timeslot and get a 3rd season. Way to go Herc and lay it all on T:SCC to me the shite performance of Dollhouse is much much worse.Compare it to the Fringe premiere it was amateur, fucking amateur.Hopefully Fox will look at these numbers and rethink giving this turd the 10 or 12 episodes promised.
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It started out well. This season has been typical TV bullshit. Just like "Heroes" (except that show dropped a deuce on the last episode of the first season).
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I don't buy ANY of these rating numbers we ever hear. I mean who the hell watches NCIS anyways? and why is it more popular than Lost? I call BS@!
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The show is actually quite good, in its own way. I certainly enjoyed it a lot more than the Dollhouse premier.
But Fox seem determined to fuck over their genre shows. A lesson that Joss Whedon will be forced to confront again soon. And once again, my money is on his not learning a fucking thing from the experience. -
Great, looks like Fox have an excuse to cancel two excellent shows now. I just watched Dollhouse and I really enjoyed it, it was a lot more fun than the reviews have been saying IMHO. And Terminator is always really good.
I know Whedon has said Fox now have different expectations for Friday nights, but I'll believe it when I see it. :( -
Terminator is a quality piece of genre programming, but it hasn't had the best of times with scheduling, disruptions and season breaks. It hasn't had the benefit of an uninterrupted run and thus just hasn't developed a decent fanbase. It's a good, not brilliant, show that deserves better and a chance to get in it's stride. My sympathy is with writers and showrunners desperately trying to get the story running while struggling against enforced absences and interrupted seasons.
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The graveyard shift of TV strikes again!
It's too bad, because I'd like to see TERMINATOR really kick ass. Maybe Fox can sell it to SciFi or FX. -
Just saying.
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Just 2.8 for Dollhouse, and 2.4 for Sarah Conner??? And you can expect an even higher loss of ratings for Dollhouse next week. Dollhouse is in major trouble in two ways...1st) its own ratings are low to begin with. For basic cable, the show would be considered a hit...but for a broadcast network, they are only getting about 1/4 of the audience that Lost is now getting, and about 1/10th the audience of Lost...when it was considered a hit. 2nd) Dollhouse's led-in, the Terminator spin-off, actually got lower ratings than the show it is supposed to be helping, and that would be Dollhouse, and that has only served to hurt Dollhouse even more.And though I didn't see any information about it on Zap2it.com...I bet the ratings for Dollhouse actually fell the first half hour and got worse as the show progressed. The networks actually look at those stats, and that is why the show should have been stacked with action and sex (as well as sexy imagery), top heavy even, during the first 5 to 10 minutes of the show, and perhaps the first 15 minutes even, to prevent people fron channel surfing away from the show...as well, to capture channel surfers who hadn't intended to watch the show in the first place. This would also be a good tactic to use around the half hour mark, and around commercial breaks, an amp up of action, sex, and or, cliff hangers, used to hold, and or gain, audience would help.The show was slowly paced, badly cast, and the opening song is a downer. The whole series needs an entire reboot, and fast. I would suggest that they just go all Joe 90 on everybody, and reveal that the Dollhouse was being used initially as a Venus Flytrap to lure rich men into compromising positions with the Actives so that they can be blackmailed by the government with videos of the sexual encounters with their operatives (the Actives). Any side cases, like the hostage negotiation stint, was just a field test to work-out any glitches for the Actives before they are re-purposed for their real mission, and that is to act as fully conscious agents, no more mind whips for missions (although, perhaps convenient mind wipes related to mission details, after words to secure and protect top secret details of said missions). The Actives will now only receive imprints so they can be experts in whatever is needed to accomplish their missions, whether they need to know a field, or trade skill, or even a language or martial art. Doing that would better streamline the show, and better focus it for audiences, however, with them now 13 episodes in, if Joss hasn't already done something similar to what I am now suggesting, the show is in some major, major trouble.
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I like the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Sure, there have been a couple of bad episodes, but overall it has been entertaining. I thought it started back up next week, though, and didn't record last night's episode (thank God for bittorrent!).
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SCC is a good show--some mis-steps early on, and teenage John Conner is an ASS, mostly, but so are most teenagers. Thinks he knows everything, doesn't know shit.Lena Heady is the best Sara Connor possible, in my opinion, with a nuanced performance that brings a melancholy sense of loss along with the determined fierceness. She is the reason to watch, and Summer is good, too. She is working a role without over the top emotional outbursts, and pulling it off.Lena Heady owned me with the quick nod for the pit in 300, and she OWNS me in SCC.
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they clearly don't understand Science Fiction, demographics, or Friday nights. Much less an equation with all three variables.Move both of these to Sunday nights, watch the ratings double.
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For the old UPN or the WB, or even the CW...a 2 rating is okay, and is the average rating...even Buffy was averaging that, as well as Smallville these days...but for Fox...a 2 rating is not good, not good at all. Both of these shows are now on life support. A 4 or a 6 rating would be considered respectable for Fox.I think when Fox learned that Joss was having trouble with Dollhouse, that should have backed their order down to 6 episodes, until the show could be retooled. As it is right now, the show looks like a cross between the New Bionic Woman and the New Knight Rider...just slower, and with a much smaller budget? Actually, those two shows are quite honestly better than Dollhouse, even though the New Knight Rider is terrible and the the New Bionic Woman had its many problems, also.I am just shocked that Whedon got himself into this trouble, in the first place...and I suspect it is because he doesn't understand how to format a spy show, or related material? One would think he'd be a natural for it, but clearly, he doesn't understand the genre???
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Terminator because it's grown from a somewhat uncertain start to a solid show.
and Dollhouse because it's Whedon. having just watched the premiere, there's certainly plenty of room for improvement. but Whedon could make reading the phonebook aloud watchable, i'm more than patient enough to watch him make Dollhouse work. -
on top of scheduling it for the worst possible premiere nighta few episodes in and we'll have a better idea of what Whedon is up to. So far, all we have seen is a Fox-influenced first shot.
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i'm so tired of fricking reality shows. stop putting interesting sci-fi in the death slots just so you can justify cancelling shows that cost more than $10 an ep
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Feb 14, 2009 4:43:18 PM CST
they cancelled Firefly in favor of Who Wants to Marry a Milliona
by chromedome
Tools they were, then. Tools they are, still.
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Whedon stated in the latest Rolling Stone that Dollhouse is his last tv show, even if it does well. He's going to move on to the internet like Dr. Horrible.
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Those rating weight much heavier that the household ratings. Considering Dollhouse did fairly well in the 18-49 ratings I would say that it is NOT on life support.
I am far more worried about the superior Friday Night Lights, which did worse than anyone. Thats the best show NBC has right now and its getting lower ratings than CW shit. It kind of makes me die a little inside. -
I think Terminator is a really good, character driven show. I never expected it to be such a quality show. The first season wasn't anything special, but I think it's really turned out to be one of the more solid shows on TV these days. And I don't have a problem with John Connor at all. He's certainly no more whiny than a real teenager. Just the right amount of angst, if you ask me. I think they all do a good job. But they do need to move along the future girlfriend plot a little quicker. Or maybe it just feels slow because of the hiatus. I guess it doesn't matter if Fox will likely cancel it anyway. Too bad though.
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...suck dick by choice.
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...cock. Sorry for the misquote.
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a very long break followed by a move to another night
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I sure don't know any Nielson families nor do I know anyone who does. It certainly doesn't seem like a good rating system for the "average family" and, if I understand correctly, it doesn't take into account a lot of newer viewing method technologies that people use.
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Summer Glau naked = More Ratings. It's not rocket science. Stupid writers...
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SCC had the prime 8PM Monday night and its ratings slowly fell when it had a nine week straight run. Its always bad when a series cannot at leas thold its audience vs losing some each week.
Those who shows they like but get poor ratings cry foul over Neilson but although its not perfect it does a pretty good job at what it does.
DirecTV has a feature where you can see what everyone is watching "right now" on DirecTV and when I click that I find it usually shows the top Nielson shows are being watched the most. -
I don't watch TV on TV anymore. I watch T:SCC faithfully as soon as the episode pops up online. Does that count for something? Are we ever going to move beyond the current ratings model? Ironically, the best content online is made for TV but is better watched online. The stuff made for online viewing specifically (i.e., webisodes) suck. The rare exception to that rule is too short.
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The first movie lead us to believe that the apocalypse was coming but there was hope in the human resistance. The second movie said, no, wait, we can stop Skynet the future is not written. The THIRD movie said, no, they just delayed it. The FOURTH movie will, apparently, say that Jon Connor is dead and a Terminator. Come on now. Make up our minds before this gets more convoluted than the Matrix.
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I guess that's the idea, isn't it, Fox? I saw ZERO promotion anywhere regarding the new Friday night slot or the Dollhouse premiere, then all of a sudden Glau and Dushka are glamming it up during breaks. Since I didn't have unrealistic expectations for T:SCC (I expected a drama, like you should have) I've come to enjoy the show. It's no more redundant than any other time traveling installment of the films. As for Dollhouse, the Terminator lead-in guarantees I'll be watching next week. As for haters, what exactly are you watching on TV that is so much better than either of these shows? Cable is for assholes. The programming is actually weaker once you remove the swearing, violence, and sex. They just put that in there to make you feel better about paying for TV, which you can still get for free if you're not stupid or/ and elitist. Why don't we leave T:SCC and Dollhouse be for a little while and go rag on Reality TV like it deserves. DAMMIT!
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SCC had to compete with Monday Night Football in the fall season, and against ratings powerhouse Dancing With the Stars.Sunday would boost the ratings considerably: the target demographic is at home, and not pre-hooked into viewing something else.
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and fuck you TOO.
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I like this show a lot, but as good as Lena Headly is as Sarah, a lot of people are interested in John Connor and they seriously need to man him up A LOT. He's gotten better this season and he's less of a whiny kid but the writers need to do more, they need to move his arc along FAST. At least they did have John finally killed a man. But they need to do MORE with this kid and I don't know why they're not doing it. Brian Austin Green is actually very good, but John Connor needs to step up to, if they don't this show is going to go even more into Epic Failure mode. We need to see more of what John Connor is destined to be. That's what frustrates me to no end about this show.
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does anyone know if scriptgirls figure justify her being on the site? I NEED TO KNOW DAMMIT!
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Every normal person knows that Friday night means your show is going to fail. These fucking tv execs have to know it, or they are retards. This is a great God damn show and if they cancel this, I'm gonna be pissed.
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But you really had to know it was coming back this week. What with the internet and DVR skipping commercials, I think people just don't know this thing is even on.
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Hey, BAG is the best thing about the series. And, yes, that sounds like "damning with (very) faint praise," but he's actually shown some acting chops. Probably the most shocking thing I've seen on TV since Zac from Saved By The Bell went to NYPD Blue and was actually good.
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This is a damn good show. It could have been cheesy with second-rate acting, bad special effects and c-grade writing. But it isn't. Most of the stories are compelling, it's well-acted (Lena Headey is not only hot but a great actress) and it retains a lot of the feel of the movies. It could have sucked. Now the suits at Fox put it on the worst night on TV and didn't even advertise it was coming back. Half the people I know that watch the show didn't even know it was on last night. I don't know which network is the worst at this practice - CBS or FOX. But if it gets cancelled, Fox has no one to blame but themselves. And to Hercules - you're right, it was the most compelling episode to date. FUCK FOX.
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until the movie is out, because it's basically a 40 minute ad for the movie, subsidized by 20 minutes of paid ads. It's a perfectly acceptable marketing cost for a 200+ millon movie, even if the series doesn't break even, and it's a hell of a lot more effective than having Arnold go on Operah or whatever they do to promote this shit.
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BUT HOW????
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Has there been any explanation of why Whedon got back into it with Fox after they quite obviously sent Firefly down the tubes? Whedon's thing may seem to be science fiction, but really it's competing interests. Not that many TV shows deal with competing interests among their main characters as well as Firefly and we saw a little of it in Dollhouse.
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One important consideration is the paradigm shift in television viewership that has happened in the last ten years. The advent and rise of DVR and internet viewership has changed everything. Pretty much all shows have dropped in ratings by large percentages in the last decade. Regular Nielson-type ratings are less meaningful than ever. The above points about Valentine's weekend are also very valid and show Fox's continued dis-connect with its target audiences. Remember Futurama? They pre-empted that show so often, it never actually had 'seasons.' (Explains why the DVD sets are in 'Volume' format.) Terminator has gotten better as it has progressed in the storyline. The scope of the show has properly expanded from a one-dimensional chase-of-the-week show to an interesting mystery about Skynet's origin with new characters getting more depth. One other thing. Did anyone notice the vague and only occasional promos for Terminator? It seemed like they only came on every long once in a while, and only mentioned the month of February, not the date. It was only the last week before the show that it was specifically promoted. Add to that the Valentine's day weekend premier planning... just file it under "WTF Were They Thinking?". If Fox is looking to save money, they can start with the people who planned the scheduling and promotion of their shows.
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One reason is that these days, you take what you can get. I'd bet that ABC, NBC, and CBS didn't make an offer. Fox also has a better history of, pardon the phrase, 'fringe' programming aimed at a younger, geekier audience. I like your idea of Whedon doing a season of 24. Mostly, I wish someone would pay him to bring back Firefly. Sci-Fi channel needs it. Especially once BSG is gone. (I'm not yet sold on Caprica.)
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Who would decide to put two sci-fi shows featuring hot women on Friday night at 8 and 9? The target age group (young men) are OUT. The few people I know who watched both shows (including me) recorded them and watched them today. Does Neilson gather ratings for recorded shows? Fuck Fox for sentencing two good shows to early graves.
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was that on friday, or saturday?
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I didn't even know it was airing this Friday. It's not like I watch that shithole channel Fox for anything else besides this show! Moving shows to new nights always fucks shit up, though.
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I've NEVER watched this show, I swear!
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Pushing Daisies will be avenged
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because they just assume the nerd demographic has absolutely nothing to do Friday night and will watch it?
Seems a bit presumptuous and insulting that just because you are part of this perceived female-less lifestyle, you don't socialize AT ALL...Even single "hard-core nerds" will go out and do things on Friday night, including go out to eat, play DnD, LAN parties, etc.
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Seriously, no matter how much people talk about the success of the X-Files, they are effectively dumping Dollhouse and Sarah Connor, and they know it. I saw no promos for Connor this week and few for Dollhouse.
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Dusku got a development deal at Fox, as they believe she might be the next "It Girl". I guess things weren't going right for her via the development process, so she had a lunch meeting with Whedon. He then brainstormed an idea with her which he dubbed Dollhouse. They then took the idea to Fox and they immediately green-lit it. NBC got wind of it, and ripped it off with the Christian Slater show My Own Worst Enemy. However, with Whedon running into pilot troubles, Fox delayed the debut of Dollhouse, and pushed it back from the fall, allowing My Own Worst Enemy to appear as if it was ripped by Dollhouse, when it appeared on network TV first.This whole process has been a mess. Dollhouse was rushed into production too fast, without anyone involved really stopping to think over the concept...and write, and re-write it, until it was in proper order. Now they have a potential flop on their hands, one that I think might even flop on DVD...the latter, normally a safe zone, and even home run/grand slam for Whedon.
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...let's say FOX....do you guys think that it would work to move the whole AMERICAN IDOL show to fridays and saturdays. Would that cause their large viewership to follow the show to those nights? Or would the show just see their ratings plummet and never recover? My dream would be for FOX to do this and thereby revive friday and saturday night TV. Of course, I don't watch American Idol but I know that millions do watch it. Maybe it can be a way to pave the road to successful sci-fi shows on Fox by putting them on right after American Idol. Ok, who's with me? (crickets)
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I didn't see it happen!
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its not fair to compare it to bsg or lost or other top tier shows, but this is quality entertainment--yeah, sure, john has a girlfriend, but the girlfriend isn't just some highschool girl--she came back from the future along with the girl from bsg razor who i can't stand. Its not like its a love story or even a relationship story--theres much more to it... to say its like dawsons creek means you haven't been watching. And it is NOT terminator of the week--they've had the same terminator (technically two terminators) for a whole season now... i don't understand why people think they have an opinion of something they don't follow... its like saying "every now and then i've seen a few episodes of lost and don't think its a very good show."
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...fringe proved it will get decent numbers WITHOUT american idol... you don't put a show like dollhouse straight to the most coveted timeslot the channel has.
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isn't practically everything we talk about on aintitcool fanboy crap? This most recent TSCC was not that good, but when the shows on, its without a doubt quality entertainment. And amen to the guy who said friday night lights has been shafted... it reminds me of arrested development situation--fantastic show but never got the ratings, but was so good it lasted three seasons... friday night lights is the exact same story...another similarity is both shows took advantage of the fact they knew they were getting cancelled, so they wrapped everything up in three seasons.
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that if TSCC gets the ax, that they get enough of a heads-up to finish the story. Or even better, to set up a few made for TV movies or mini-series that continue the story.
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How the hell do they even measure ratings these days? This isn't a comment on the quality of the show (which I do enjoy), but people watch television shows in so many different ways now. I don't know how there can be an accurate picture.
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there's only like 3000 nielson boxes, as far as i know... its outdated... with all the digital tv, can't they just get the real numbers and program something into dvr recordings so they can know the truth? Torrents have to hurt shows, especially like TSCC... the thing is, you can't tell people 'hey just leave your tv on for this great show to help the ratings.' any of us tuning into any show means NOTHING. the overwhelmingly large percentage of tv viewers don't effect the ratings even by a hundredth of a decimal point... as far as i know.
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It had Spike on it!
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a show's not going to get ratings if you don't advertise it, or if you change the timeslot a few times, or if you're letting it die on friday nights... they'll have this all figured out in twenty years where tv will operate in a whole other kind of way. I'd like it if they charge you a tiny fee to watch an episode, they put like 30 bucks a month into their account, pay a little for each show, and even set a certain amount of that 30 bucks to their kids budget to limit the amount of tv they watch... we'll all be streaming hd or higher off the internet by then... it'll be a whole other ballgame.
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In this day of internet feedback and DVD sales why the fuck are they still using an antiquated tracking system?
Am I to believe that the major corporations running the world aren't actually tracking every thing we watch? That's fuckin' hilarious.
It'll be interesting to see if they bring the show back if Terminator:John Connor Yells At the Director of Photography(He's A Nice Guy) Boogaloo does extremely well at the box office.
I'd rather see a T-1000 spear the American Idol judges simultaneously, removing 3 (or is it now 4?) vapid, vacuuous, vain, and vile persons from the Earth forever.
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Nielson is useless, since it doesn't track the main things most younger viewers use alot: Streaming video, DVR, and Ondemand. It's a relic of the past, like rabbit ears on a TV.
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The first season was good, but the second season just couldn't hold my interest anymore.
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The idea of broadcast TV is dying fast. Its all going to be download on demand soon enough. Then, all the bs neilsen ratings won't matter, because they can just count the downloads, and realize how few people really watch dreck like NCIS, and many more people than they think watch good tv. Terminator has become a really interesting story based around the fact that with time travel, continuity is meaningless. They've explored the idea that characters sent back from different times may have come from different futures. The line from the Salvation trailer, "This isn't the future my mother warned me about." illustrates that perfectly. Their fight is changing the future, and they have no way of knowing what the ripple effects are. As far as Friday Night Lights goes, its a great show, and its stupid that more people don't watch it, but I could care less about redneck jocks in Texas, it doesn't make compelling drama for me. If my watching it helped its rating, I probably would, but I'm not going to watch something I've never been able to get into. Dollhouse kinda sucked, but I'll give it another episode or two, because this was the watered down intro the Fox idiots asked Joss to reshoot.
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You are absolutely right about Nielson being useless, except of course, Leslie Nielson. As for rabbit ears... guess what? They're back. No shit! I dumped Comcast ( I had the basic 13 channels and broadband.) and got a digital converter box. Which needs an antenna, in my case a set of rabbit ears. And I now get more channels with better picture than I ever got with Comcast. And I'm saving sixty bucks a month. Something old is new again...
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This show is very boring and bad because the terminator was a horror story not a teeny bopper high school drama. If you are going to have a female terminator,
1. Please hire a miss universe with a heavy German accent. German accents are scary.(just look at the tax increases in California)
2. Draw out the drama(think 24)
3. More music, the music in terminator the movie made the movie scary.
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Well done. And good analysis of the actual benefits that can be had with the timeline changes. Dollhouse wasn't too bad, but it did interest me enough to give it a chance. A really good series usually takes a few episodes to lay the foundation for interesting storytelling of depth and scope. I found that I enjoyed TSCC more as the storyline grew more involved with the T1000 and the former cop. I'm less interested than I should be about the true nature of John's 'girlfriend' and her Razor 'mentor.' So far it's just about their taking a break from armageddon with lightly scattered mentions of saving John from himself. Too vague. Less interesting and compelling than it should be.
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the ratings "T: TSCC" gets on FOX is considered a giant hit for SciFi.
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friday night is where network shows go to die.
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...is definitely statistically significant, assuming the demographics of those 3000 closely match the demographics of the nation at large. So yes, Nielsen numbers are probably still largely accurate. That doesn't mean that Nielsen numbers are the be-all and end-all of viewership numbers that the studios use nowadays. Tivo has been selling anonymous aggregate data from their subscribers for _YEARS_ now. The major cable companies have also been tracking their subscribers through their company-rented DVRs. Presumably they're selling that data too. Additionally, the studios have their own data regarding web viewership (Hulu, Sci-fi.com, et al.) and DVD and digital (iTunes) purchases. Today, the studios are probably looking at five or six different sources to see how many people are consuming their product, with the Nielsens being a single, but prominent, piece of that data. The Nielsens mainly hold their prominence due to one aspect: commercial selling prices. While the studios like making oodles of money off the DVDs, they far prefer paying for the show through commercial revenue at air time, rather than six months to a year later.
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Two things... One: Sci-Fi channel is too stupid and too wrapped up in Mansquito-type tripe to take advantage of your very good idea of picking up TSCC. Two: To which set of Boomer's lips does your handle refer? :-P
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"To which set of Boomer's lips does your handle refer?" *shudder* I'll be in my bunk.
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Exactly right. Revenue drives production. Money now beats money later. The industry is still trying to figure out how to take advantage of the paradigm shift in viewership and content management. As the technology develops and ramps up on the streaming distribution, the ratings interpretation will skew away from the old-style Nielson type ratings to actual streaming revenue numbers. (Not just PPV, but also there will be free streaming content that will carry ads- that ad revenue will be tracked.) The tech to which I refer is the coming of streaming content over the internet to your television. Netflix and tv manufacturers are already coming out with boxes that stream content to your television and even television sets with internet capacity.
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I am hoping the Boomer whose lips are in question is the Boomer from the NEW series. Otherwise, I don't want to know.
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the once you can't see. ;)
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the *one's*
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I want my Linda Hamilton.
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FUCK YOU IN YOUR STUPID GOD DAMN ASSHOLES!
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Don't hold back, man. Tell us how you really feel. :-)
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Fox has been taking Sci-Fi channel lessons.
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The girls are hot.... The writing kinda sucks.
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I feel behind this season due to work, but i've been catching them all online at the fox website. does this figure in at all? I was skeptical at first, but it is a really good show and i'd hate to see it go prematurely.
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Lena Heady just owns the show.Reese telling John "you made the call--these are the consequences..." was great, after John's cocky "I made the call" lame defiance.
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Terminator is an awesome show, we need a boombox in her so they can change the world
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Dude, what the fuck is your issue with this show? You have been attacking it almost since it premiered. You report with glee everytime its ratings drop.
Did Josh Friedman not return an email? Is there a writer on this show that turned you down for a date? I mean, fuck. You have some serious issue with this show. -
There are no Buffy writing staff alums on the show.
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i notice there is a lack of one...herc did the "is this show still on" finally get to you.
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A relic from a time when people had no choice but to watch a show at the exact day and time it aired on.
Now, with all the available recording devices and the Internet, ratings don't accurately reflect how many people watch tv shows.
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I had it right originally but my computer fucked up and I had to re-type the post.
God forbid we get to edit anything. -
Feb 14, 2009 9:59:26 PM CST
Neilson Or No Neilson...The Shows Are Both In Danger...
by media messiah
...of cancellation. This doesn't look good at all, ratings wise, and trying to blame Neilson for isn't going to work. Fox has found a hit in American Idol...and since that is their ratings getter, I would have crafted a show design to somehow attract some of their demo. That said, Fox should have also moved to program this show after Idol on selected nights...but I now see why they didn't. What is the point if the show is no good? Clearly, they gave the show the Friday Night Death slot because it sucks and they are trying to hide it until cancellation time. As well, they want to leave it on the air long enough to get an audience that might wish to purchase or rent the show on DVD so they can get their money back and go into profit from the show, as has happened n the past with other Whedon series, however, I don't think it is going to happen this time, that's how bad the new pilot is.
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Too bad...the reality crap gets early week slots as so repetitve cop shows...but interesting, fun, sci-fi and good drama get...the Friday Night Shaft. I think we could sometimes do without the 2 hour American Idol commercial advertising fest huh...I mean a results show that takes an hour? Com on for fuck sakes...give more time to real shows. I love SCC and Dollhouse was ok too I would like to see where it goes at least. And Friday Night Lights...the shit NBC does to it is CRIMINAL....it is so so so insanely good why not give it a slot to grow in? And if they want it dead why bother putting it on anyway? Cable is where its at anyway....HBO, SHowtime, FX, Sci-Fi, USA...they give shows time to grow and aren't so ratings obsessed...I mean the Shield had low ratings, so does Dexter but they don't need big rating with subscribers paying for the channel already. And especially HBO which gives a show a full season committment before it airs so the creators can write the story and build the season and know it won't get cancelled before they can finish the season. I think fans would be more willing to committ to watching shows if they knew they were gonna get a whole season to get into and follow....now its like we are watching at gunpoint.."Watch or we will cancell what you like fuckers"...bad approach. Anyway I guess maybe bye bye to SCC, and FNL and hello "Who wants to Marry a Midget with 8 kids who is fat and needs to lose weight but also lives on an island and sings other peoples songs pretending to be a talented musician while racing from country to country for 1 million Dollars"...YAY for that crap.
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Feb 14, 2009 10:04:27 PM CST
Amended: Neilson Or No Neilson...The Shows Are Both In Danger...
by media messiah
...of cancellation. This doesn't look good at all, ratings wise, and trying to blame Neilson for it isn't going to work. Fox has found a hit in American Idol...and since that is their ratings getter, I would have crafted a show designed to somehow attract some of their demo. That said, Fox should have also moved to program this show after Idol on selected nights...but I now see why they didn't. What is the point if the show is no good? Clearly, they gave the show the "Friday Night Death Slot" because it sucks and they are trying to hide it until cancellation time. As well, they want to leave it on the air long enough to get an audience that might wish to purchase or rent the show on DVD so they can get their money back and go into profit from the show, as has happened in the past with other Whedon series, however, I don't think it is going to happen this time, that's how bad the new pilot is.
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Feb 14, 2009 10:12:54 PM CST
REASONS WHY THE SHOW FUCKING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
1. John Conner is a fucking pussy on that TV show and who wants to be that. Edward Furlong played it as a great street smart smart ass. Christian Bale is playing it as a bad ass.
3. The woman from 300 who is playing Sarah Conner has made the character dull and boring. Linda Hamilton made the character interesting and with layers of bad ass. The woman from 300 even said that she did not give a shit about Hamilton's performance. BIG FUCKING MISTAKE. The egos of actors these days.
3. John Conner's girlfriend is a fat blonde bitch who is annoying. At least have him get it on with a hot actress. What are the producers fucking blind.
4. The show has nearly no action. The last episode held off the action until the end of the episode. T-2 was an action film hello!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't give me the smaller budget bullshit since if you are going to compare it to Angel or Buffy than those shows had way more action in each episode.
The producers ass fucked themselves and deserve to have this show fail on them.
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Feb 14, 2009 10:14:48 PM CST
THE SHOW FUCKING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
1. John Conner is a fucking pussy on that TV show and who wants to be that. Edward Furlong played it as a great street smart smart ass. Christian Bale is playing it as a bad ass. 3. The woman from 300 who is playing Sarah Conner has made the character dull and boring. Linda Hamilton made the character interesting and with layers of bad ass. The woman from 300 even said that she did not give a shit about Hamilton's performance. BIG FUCKING MISTAKE. The egos of actors these days. 4. John Conner's girlfriend is a fat blonde bitch who is annoying. At least have him get it on with a hot actress. What are the producers fucking blind. 5. The show has nearly no action. The last episode held off the action until the end of the episode. T-2 was an action film hello!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't give me the smaller budget bullshit since if you are going to compare it to Angel or Buffy than those shows had way more action in each episode. The producers ass fucked themselves and deserve to have this show fail on them.
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They have a lot of disposable income, are both 34, and live in New Jersey right between NY and Philly. Very desirable demographic. Both are very smart, cultured people. They figured that if they tune in ratings jump about .01 in the local demographic. 10 people can kill a show. Friday they are out, but leave the TV on SciFi because they love Dr. Who and Battlestar which they watch on DVD. However... 10:00 every night is Judge Judy on WLNY.
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I REALLY like the Sarah Connor Chronicles. It is intelligent, complex, surprising - a really strong addition to the genre.
That being said, as much as Illuminate "treads heavily" with his comments, his view must pose a vexing problem for the show runners. The exact kind of viewers that are needed to maintain ratings for this program are also expecting a lot of action and explosions. And that is very difficult to maintain along with such a thoughtful storyline.
I must also regretfully agree that Lena Headey, although talented and beautiful, is miscast as Sarah Connor. She has done well with the part, but I'm not surprised viewers like Illuminate are not responding to her.
I could be wrong, but the addition of Derek Reese might have been a response to some of this; a way to add a strong male character to the mix.
If I were a network executive, I'd be suggesting to Josh Friedman that the show needs a male terminator at Connor's side ASAP. Leave all the great writing, leave the writers alone, but the casting has to be changed a little with all apologies to Summer Glau, who is also very beautiful and talented. -
X-Files was not friday
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I have been a cable tv installer for 10 years. I have literally been in thousands of different homes. Guess how many neilson boxes ive seen in that time??
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Will Steve Martin show up tonight?
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SNL is tanking hard and Cougars doesn't look like it will stop the pain. Tanking hard with Alec Baldwin as host isn't a good sign.
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X-Files did in fact run on Friday. It was moved to Sunday, in part, to make room for Chris Carter's show, Millennium.
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oh and i havent started watchnig yet...i like having the ability to skip through things(terrible sketches/jonas brothers)
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So Dan Akryod, Kenneth from 30 rock, cameron diaz... who else?
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Fuck Fox and Fuck American Idol watching dipshits who watches the shit that pushes good shows that need time and a healthy budget to develop.
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Hosts that should rock, have lately been on the worst shows. Whereas, some of the lesser hosts have been on good shows. Last week's was one of the better shows this season.
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Feb 14, 2009 11:05:08 PM CST
Alec's Hulu Commercial is funnier than the show has been
by sifodyasjr.
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...with the 12 year old female demographic
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Feb 14, 2009 11:09:47 PM CST
What, I can't hear you with this screwdriver in my ear
by taking_up_space
Fucking lame ass talentless twats. And who the hell picks out their clothing? Twinks R Us?
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and the rest sound like eunuchs
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Feb 14, 2009 11:11:42 PM CST
Thundercats - Drummer is behind bulletproof glass to protect him
by taking_up_space
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Lonely Island CD? It fucking rules!
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Feb 14, 2009 11:20:04 PM CST
Every now and then I've seen a couple episodes of LOST and I don
by autodidact
LOST is the biggest pile of wank ever. Have fun following along as those "geniuses" pull random shit out of their asses.
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The only problem with it is that half of the stuff on it I had already heard multiple times. Update was pretty good.
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Feb 14, 2009 11:33:57 PM CST
The gatorade commercial felt like a SNL Digital short...
by thundercats73
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I'll have to take their word for it.
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Shouldn't they wait till their balls drop and their voices deepen?
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They package products with good looking teens to market to other teens and then rake in the cash. Talent is not necessary. Pimps is all they are.
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Tina's date was funny, and Salma! Oh, Salma!!
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That definitely looks like the Waynes World set!
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the one from John Travolta's dracula sketch years ago?
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Why are they re-airing the hot air balloon shit? It's like watching an abortion for a second time.
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and it wasn't any funnier the second time.
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Two rerun commercials and an extra extra long closing at the end are clues that something went awry.
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Monday-Wednesday, I watch it religiously. Some of the best shows on tv right now. House, 24, and Fringe rival any of the best shows on tv when they are on their game. If a show has an off week, it's still extremely entertaining. Firefly was crap. It didn't succeed on Fox, and it didn't succeed at the box office either. That isn't the measure of artistic success, but in this case, the masses were right. So having said that, what else did Fox do to you people to make you hate them so much?
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Where's the love for that one? And I read that hottie Abby Elliot is the daughter of Chris Elliot. What the frig??? You mean that shit face married a babe? No way Abby got her looks from him.
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Fox always gets terrible ratings on Friday nights. It's generally the elephant's graveyard of shows that very few have clawed their way out of (see The X-Files). They've deliberately dumped shows there to die to run down their clock (see Firefly and a laundry list of others). Then again, if Fox applies the same "rethink" they applied to Dollhouse (allegedly) in regard to how to judge the show in terms of genre fans tuning in vs. treating it like every other prime time mega-hit hopeful, it might be OK. And it's only it's first time out on Friday (on Valentines friggin' weekend no less).
What's worse is that networks are still stuck in the Stone Age with the Nielsen Ratings System in regard to appointment TV viewing and fail to properly consider online viewings streamed from the actual network site of their shows, with Fox being no exception. If they did, catch up viewing after a night that's traditionally bad for the demographic this show is aimed at would paint a very different ratings picture.
These aren't contemporary adult dramas. They're not universal appeal shows meant to entertain everyone. The sooner networks remember that once upon a time, there was a reason why the "instant, just add water TV hit" show mentality was a piss poor idea, the sooner viewers will be more comfortable with trusting network programming again. There's a reason why cable dramas held in higher esteem these days.
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do they include people who, what do Yanks call it, "Tivo" or otherwise record it to watch it later? i would imagine that most of the target audience for Terminator is out on the lash on a Friday, thus recording to watch later?
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The Friday night timeslot is where you send shows to die. Don't act surprised when they get low ratings there.
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...hit the wrong button there. Damn computer. Anyhow, I know I'm a bit late on this, but I want to respond to something Hikaru Ichijo said further up in the talkback. He said: "Cable is for assholes. The programming is actually weaker once you remove the swearing, violence, and sex. They just put that in there to make you feel better about paying for TV, which you can still get for free if you're not stupid or/ and elitist." Are you out of your god damn mind?! Have you even SEEN any of the shows on FX or HBO (when it was in its prime)? "The Shield," "Six Feet Under," "Curb Your Enthusiasm," "Flight of the Conchords" and (some of) "The Sopranos" are all better than just about ANYTHING on regular television. To say that people are only being fooled by the sex, violence and language is ridiculous. Those shows are good because they have terrific and solid stories, great acting, the characters are three-dimensional, there is depth and subtext, etc, etc. The sex, violence and language on the shows I described are all pretty much necessary to the plot. At the very least, they are an enhancement to the show, not a crutch for lazy writing. Or would you also say that the violence in "Raging Bull" was simply there to dupe people into thinking it was a masterpiece when it really wasn't? Pull your head out of your ass, man.
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Once you get over the pre-conceived notions of the franchise it's a very compelling and smartly written show, packed with hot women to boot. Too bad people aren't giving it a chance.
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this was the worst episode ever. The girlfriend needs to go and that Kyle Reese thing better be a one time thing because it didn't work. Also more Summer Glau please. Sure the ending was action packed but most people had probably tuned out by then. What a lame way to start off the new timeslot.
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The second you put Brian Austin Green in your show, you lose all credibility. That guy has to be one of the fakest most unlikable actors on the planet. Sorry Sarah Chronicles, but you dug your own grave here (And stop putting "Come with me if you want to live" into your commercials. It's desperate and sad.)
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No, I actually don't think they count Tivo either, which is sad and archaic to say the least.
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Friday night is the kiss of death
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Hah. Don't forget Deadwood. Deadwood has a fucks-per-minute ratio of 1.56 for 2980 fucks over the course of the series. It's also one of the greatest drama series ever.
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I haven't seen anything other than the first episode. I'm not a huge fan of westerns in general and the first episode didn't grab me. HOWEVER, that being said, I fully intend on giving it another chance. I realize that one episode isn't enough to judge a show on. I do plan on giving it another shot, and watching more than just the first episode next time. I have heard nothing but great things about the show.
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The first season had a sense of momentum, but throughout the second season it's been painfully obvious that they don't know where they're going with it. The actors are all potentially good, but it's impossible to care about a character that has no direction. Lena Heady has been incredibly underutilized, the nadir being the episode where she sat around the house reading story books to that little kid. John's girlfriend was a major misfire, and they waited far too long to introduce depth and conflict in her. Even the T-1000 did virtually nothing the whole season except sit in that fucking office making cryptic comments. The fascinating conflict of Summer Glau's character has been mostly left alone since the season opener.
I was a huge booster of this show in season one, now I'm praying for it to get canceled so I can stop wasting time on it. I can't stand watching the writers shit the bed week after week. -
Actually I'm lying, it's very damn good and the people who think it isn't simple haven't watched it properly or regularly enough to see how good it is. You can't compare this show to the initial movies because they are made to cram as much as they can into two hours on screen. This show is made to pace an entire season with more story, more character and more action than you'll be spoonfed in a two hour film. Hence the TV show will naturally be less intense a viewing be a far more rewarding one overall. Lena has added much more dimension to SC than what Linda had to do with her contrasting character in both films. Lena has successfully shown both those sides and the struggle she has to endure of being a mother, being humane and being a soldier. This show is chronicling the changes that made John into the soldier and leader he will eventually become. The people who don't watch simply don't grasp this aspect, they just want an instant warrior, just add water type character with zero transition. Two stand out episods this season would change their minds about the quality of the action and drama if they watched the build up to them before hand. Ep8 and Ep11 are examples of how good this show can be. If they really think the possibility of cancellation is a reality, then I hope they wrap it up with her inevitable death. This show will be a good addition to the Blu Ray collection as long as it has a real finale.
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The less people like us support genre shows like these instead of nitpicking them, then cancellation would be the least of your worries in the future as less genre shows will be made by the networks in light of more 'reality TV' crap. The curse of the fanboy is to be a nitpicker to the point he poisons the integrity of his own genre. If we an our kind don't make the time to watch or support these shows to buck the antiquated system that governs not just these shows but what the networks consider to invest in for the next season. Then we will be consigned to do what we do now, complain about the crap on TV and the shows we never watched before but will do much later in our own time by downloading the entire season after its been canceled, and then moan about why it was canceled! I live in the UK so my downloads accounts for nish! But if I was living in the states, I'd make sure I watch everything that comes on, when it comes on to breathe some life into this genre before Reality TV kills it dead.
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L A M E !
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The God awful beginning has finally receded and characters are starting to gel and plot is becoming interesting. It could use another series to resolve itself satisfactorily - hope it gets it.
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I didn't actually start watching it until halfway into S2, which is probably for the better since I missed the whole WTF? murder plot, but I have to agree it being a sadly under-appreciated show.
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It is cool to see the new movie is coming out, i hope it gets people to swith over to this as its really not a bad show. I kinda dig all the talk and the slower pace of the show. I want to know what metal the terminators are made out of. If i was that bothered about watching action every week i'd watch the movies.
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problem is with this show is its mostly as dull as ditchwater. I know this is being doner on a tv budget but theres little to no action in most eps. The first season did have a bit of cool action but this season has been mostly talky and plodding. It needs a budget boost. If shows like heroes and smallville can deliver cool actiona dn reasonably good fx then i dont knowq why this show cant. Summer galu is cool but lena headey is so boring its untrue.
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Does anyone know if they take DVR and DVD sales into consideration when they go by ratings? I don't think I watch any show (and I watch a lot) on the time it actually airs live.
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First season; they have a clear goal. Find and destroy the Turk. Second season begins, they forget ALL About the Turk and are now running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
In A GOOD TV Series, The Garbage lady would have been revealed to our main characters already. We don't need months and months of episodes where they almost nearly run into each other, but then don't.
We don't need episodes where Sarah hallucinates an Alien Space ship & Kyle Reese. Especially when those episodes are stupid and boring as hell. So far the only thing that has impressed me on terminator this year was the ep where Chromartie bit it in the Church. Awesome writing, awesome acting, oh yeah and John Connor doesn't act like a LIL Bitch in it.
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Tarantio shit war movie will TANK big time while SCC will lives on because IT'S THE FUCKING DISTRACTING !
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...but with Dollhouse, Flashpoint, Terminator & Friday Night Lights this is the best Friday lineup in years.
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people just aren't giving it a chance, but it's gained momentum and is really doing some amazing things at the moment. screw you people who won't support the little sci-fi we have left on tv.
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Let's just hope that Fox realizes that they're on Friday nights and give it a chance. T:SCC, then Dollhouse, then switching over to SciFi for BSG makes for a great night of Science Fiction TV. What are the ratings for BSG anyway?
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Cut the single mother and troubled teen angst crap.
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In fact, its EVEN WORSE, if you can imagine that.
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and bad one liners.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! OMG!!! HE'S LEARNING TO BE HUMAN!!! But, *sniff, sob, choke*, in the end, we'll have to take out behind the barn and shoot him, Old Yeller style. WAAAAH!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! Not even Guns n' Posers can save me from this pain! WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! WEE WUB WOO ROBODADDY!!! WE WUB WOOOOOOOOO!!!
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T 2 was awesome.
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Feb 15, 2009 12:49:41 PM CST
Sorry, but this series lost my attention in the second season.
by rbatty024
The first season wasn't perfect, but it showed promise. The problem came when several episodes seemed like a series of brief scenes that fit into the larger story arc without an immediate impact on the episode at hand. Writers need to realize that each episode needs to have something at stake, and in addition the show should fit into the larger story arc.
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T2 was indeed awesome.
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The most awesome display of mediocrity ever produced. It takes mediocrity to such heights that it achieves something of the immortal. T2 is so bad, so inept, so unintentionally hilariously bad I almost wonder, since so many people who should know better like to suck James "Michael Bay" Cameron's cock so much, did he make it that awful on purpose? Is Cameron actually making a satirical statement of how awful most american films are in a manner not unlike Verhoven did with this America Is Ridiculous Trilogy of Robocop, Showgirls, and Starship Troopers? I wonder.
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Summer Glau's nice ass Terminator was the only reason to watch this show. Now her and her perfect butt are Barely in the second season!
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1. Summer Glau is barely shown.
2. All the humor from season 1 is gone.
3. The characters are no longer likeable.
4. They focus on too many characters.
5. They no longer focus on the John and Cameron relationship.
6. The show just got too weird now.
7. Weren't they suppose to be looking for the Turk? What happened there!
8. The show is no longer fun!
9. All the great interaction with Cameron and the people around her at school is gone now.
10. For a series based on a kick ass action film, umm....where's all the action? Hello!!! You got SUMMER GLAU and her PERFECT BUTT as a Terminator! Do something with her already! She use to fight all the time in season 1! She was freaking hot doing so. Now you just got either spending entire episodes reading books to snot nose brats who can't act or Sarah spending an entire episode talking to some transgender lady/man! Why not show the HOT GIRL PLAYING THE TERMINATOR instead???? -
But skips CHUCK coverage.
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That's the reason to cover this show. Shows like "Chuck" will probably be long forgotten as a pop corn show. Now the real question is, where is the story going? What's Shirley Manson’s T-1001 plan? At least she's back on screen now. With these long breaks, I think we need to reminded exact what is it that Sarah Corner is persuing; that "three dots" motif is too weak and the false leads have weakened it further.
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Make 'em do the story in 6-8 episodes per season. That way, you're not out so much money, and you can let the audience be found.
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biggest problem with BBC America is that they stick to that schedule even for the old BBC shows that have 5 complete seasons in the can, and are off the air in the UK. Who wants to watch 6 episodes and wait a year? Even these stupid 4-6 Week hiatuses in the middle of a season (Fringe, etc) are really damn annoying. With all the bandwidth available, there is no good reason for that, and there is really no good reason to follow the network/season/sweeps model at all, anymore. Use tv as a loss leader to develop an audience, then continue with on-demand delivery/streaming and dvds.
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It was boring as shit!!! The John Henry stuff was good, but I turned it off after the doctor snuck sarah into the hospital to remove the bullet. I'll get back to it later...
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I hate people on the talkbacks who say things like "cancel please." The show's on friday nights, for one...so its not like its taking the spot of a better show, secondly, and more importantly, WHY DO PEOPLE SAY THAT SHOWS SHOULD BE CANCELLED??? There are tons of people on this talkback who really like the show... but since you don't like it, you want it cancelled??? WHY? how does a show you don't like getting cancelled make you happy? What does that do for you?
Laserpants--we get it, you don't like cameron--saying james 'michael bay' cameron every chance you get it moronic... face it, you're just trying to start an argument every time you post that... we've heard it, you think cameron is like bay... and there are similarities between the two, but just give up the whole james 'michael bay' cameron posts... we all know where you stand. -
i've said it--last nights episode was not strong...but most of the episodes have been good, and there are some that are great.
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I hate the stupid fucking scheduling of these types of show. Its so fucking moronic! HOw the fuck are you supposed to follow a narative which takes like a months fucking break after each fucking episode. Dildos!
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I feel your pain-- both lost and 24 were terrible early on because both shows always ended in cliffhangers and had so much momentum, and then all that buildup goes away because it takes a 2-3 week break 4-5 times a season and one 2 month break. Do you guys remember how much it sucked during the first season of lost where it was cliffhanger after cliffhanger, but we'd have to keep waiting for the next episodes for weeks. Lost and 24 are INFINITLY better without the breaks, and lost's shorter seasons with all back to back episodes have really improved the show when i started to stop caring as much during season 2 until halfway through season 3, when it stepped up. And the 4 hour two night 24's is consistenly the best launch of any show... we all know it takes a few episodes to get going, so they get you going for 4 hours over two nights... i can't believe fox let them do that... channels love (and i'm talking about you, SciFi) to stretch everything out as long as possible.
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The problem with the show, I think, is that the writers haven't really nailed the grittyness and the shear hopelessness of these characters and what they are doing.
Glau has been reduced to a subcharacter you barely ever see. There is next to no really logical action. John Conner really isnt John Connor but just some whinny brat. "Why can't I have a normal life??? :(" Shut the fuck up kid, your John "Mother-Fucking" Connor. I am still waiting for this kids balls to drop.
We need this show to pick up the fucking pace and quick. The writers need to man the fuck up and realize this isn't drama material. It was never meant to be a drama. It was mean to be non-stop action. Thats what the movies were and thats what the show should be. Making the material into something its not is just irresponsible and pointless.
I want some explosions, terminator on terminator fight, and John growing the fuck up. And God help me if I see one more scene of Ellis trying to teach that overgrown fucking toaster morality. Its a fucking machine dude!!!! It doesn't want an ethics lesson... it wants to turn your balls into fucking putty. You douche!!!! -
I disagree. If the entire series was Ellis and Cromartie sitting at a table discussing ethics, philosophy, and religion, I'd be glued to the screen.
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Save for the sequences Manson was in, the show sucked. Manson has a real presence, and should be their main, and continuing villain in the series. She also has a bright future in acting as she sticks out in one's mind. When I first heard of her deciding to act, I thought it was going to be a joke, but she has something special going on, a real charisma.
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Even though this episode was one of the worst of the season, the Cromartie / ellis dialouge was brilliant. (not exact wording) "why am i made to look like this?" "you were made to look like us" "why were you made to look like this?" "we were made in god's image."..... "i have a question" "for me?" "no. for god. I'd like to know why he didn't choose to use more ball and socket joints." That was FANTASTIC. What was also great was his explaination of his action figures' backstory... that was great too.
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really???? Article is a bout sci fi shows not about a show I could watch however I choose not to because it doesnt interest me. As far as Fox goes well, they suck out loud. Just goes to show that when they moved Terminator to Friday nights so that they could put the republicans wet dream "24" on monday nights just goes to show that they do not really care about most sci fi shows.
As far as the X-Files goes if that was put out today it wouldnt last half a season. -
is going to get a lot of work . . . when this series gets cancelled.
And since this series is probably doomed, his agent should start pushing producers now. -
I agree that the acting between Ellis and Cromartie is outstanding.. but its not Terminator, thats not was the story should have ever been. As it stands its an interesting story but I am talking about the series as a whole and how it relates to the Terminator Saga. There lies the problem with this series, when compared to the story as a whole, its whinny and dragging. It needs to man up and pick up the pace.
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TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES is one of the best shows on TV today and it really pisses me off that it's being left to die on Friday nights along with DOLLHOUSE. Hopefully, Spike or some other channel picks it up (like I'd actually waste my time hoping that Sci Fi would) because it deserves at least one more season, certainly more than HEROES does right now.
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If the terminator mythology said that at this point in john conner's life would be as full of danger and action, then that's what we'd be seeing--as a MOVIE. This is a nice, slowed down take on the terminator mythology. Its not supposed to be all about the action, cause thats just not what this part of john's life is about--its about learning more about skynet and watching him learn from his mother. And Lena Headly or whatever her name is makes a good Sarah, I don't care what you tell me.
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Feb 15, 2009 6:11:18 PM CST
Shows are funded by commercials, hence Nielson's importance...
by darth_inedible
No one cares "how many people watch a show" in the sense that you're talking about, especially when these companies need AD revinue TODAY to fund the next couple episodes. The nets only want to know roughly how many captive eyes are available in order to sell ads.
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People are watching. Don't cancel a show because your 1950s business model is broken.
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Pass.
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I really liked it, though its clear form these talkbacks that people are indeed as stupid as the TV execs thought the audience was. The execs were worried it would be too hard to follow a serialized show, and some of the comments here sadly reinforce this. ( people not understanding John's GF's role, taking her at her word , etc, etc )
I wish they had been able to get Michael Biehn to guest stars as Reese though. Oh well, here's to hoping they can have Robert Patrick show up at least once. -
It's what I've been saying all along. I love this show but when you see the title "TERMINATOR..." you can't help but have expectations that were set by the first movies. Action and sci-fi with little drama. This show is screwing with viewers by giving us a LOT of drama and a little action and sci-fi. That is what lame ass boring BSG is for, freaking daytime soap in space. That is NOT what Terminator is and you can't rail on us for expecting something other than what we're getting. I don't mind watching and waiting for John Connor's "balls to drop" as TopfiveVideo said, but we've been waiting TOO long for what little we've seen, there has been very little payoff. Ramp this mother up! Damn, if they're going to call it "TERMINATOR:SCC" give us our action/sci-fi.
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I adtually like John's girlfriend and she gave us our best 'oh shit' moment of the series when we found she was from the future.
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Eliza is great, but this 1st ep was really, really lame.
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its a good show but man, they sure fucked up john connor.he should be hard as nails and purpously down on his luck, completly bitter about the life he had taken away and angry as hell at how weak human sociey has and will become.im pretty sure christian bale will save the character but ever since the terminator 3 john connor, he became far too emo.its pathetic. JC would already be someone people looked up to without quite realising how or why.a man with vision and a plan.I think with that character's upbringing he would be a gang leader of some kind.think 'The Warriors' without the campness...oh well, same old story with franchises we hold dear i guess.
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THAT is when the excitement will be high enough to get people looking at it. I don't think people who weren't looking for this tuned in, and people won't look for this in the middle of the season after so many shows were said to be cancelled. Also, I hate to say this, but I was distracted by Kyle Reese's uneven stubble. What the HELL? Reese was youngish, but not this baby faced red-lipped pretty boy! Also, very disappointed in how quickly the sheriff got killed off, that whole part seemed like a last minute contrivance, but I guess they've already had a law enforcement guy hunting the heroes, they didn't need another. I agree with others, we saw much better terminations this week than we've had most of this season.
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So like I said in an earlier post. Is anyone even sure what the damn plot line is for this show anymore? They left behind the whole find the turk thing and are running around seeing ghost and alien space ships....
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I tried to watch T:SSC but i quit watching after the 5th episode. I couldn't stand that they kept voice-overing with lena headley. Also, there was less action, they should summer glau busting thru the front windshield of van and that didn't show up until like the end of the episode. I just was not impressed. and I guess the problem is I know the terminator ending so.... they somehow would have to surprise me, which they haven't. Also felt very cliched at points when i was watching.
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Mucho enjoyo!
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Is the Terminator still going after Sarah and John?
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isn't she supposed to be acting like a sixteen year old high school girl? Matter of fact wasn't she in the first episode? So why you creepy pedo bastards all hand humpy over Summer?
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I don't get why no ratings love for the show.
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T1 was the best of the series. T2 was good but overrated. This was a movie that should have been a stand alone feature, like Highlander.
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Since when does that make one a "pedo bastard?"
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Is just boring I wish it would just cancel so I can stop wasting my time. The only good episode was the flash back episode where the Terminator went too far in the past. They need more of that, less case and growling and unhappy people.
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Aside from elevating lame material, he also has been blessed with the good fortune to be married to Lucy Davis.
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Yeoman was in the pliot. But getting hitched to Lucy Davis is still impressive.
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"Summer Glau naked = More Ratings. It's not rocket science. Stupid writers..."
Given her design as a Terminator, it's obvious her fashion sense subroutines need upgrades. :p
But it's more than that. Just the bit with Sarah remembering to pack a handgun ... A handgun? Against possible Terminators? A bazooka I could see, but a handgun? What were they thinking of? Sloppy writing. -
Not everything should be an ongoing weekly series! Some things work as multiple tv movies, some as mini-series, some as a limited run weekly series (Like The Prisoner, How far can you takes this story every week? This should have been a mini series and end the story!
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loves me some old Bob Newhart show!!
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Seriously - that's what helped kill ST:Enterprise - they put it on opposite a block of shows intended for the same genre-fanbase (duuuh).
Sarah Connor @ 8pm on a Friday night? Ummm...the target demographic is gonna be out partying or getting ready for said partying. Plus, SCC is a bit violent for 8pm - I'd rather it was on @ 9pm like when it was on Mondays.Move it back FOX!! -
is actually well made it's not really my bag. But that's cool, I appreciate that it has a following.
For me, I think the shame is that FNL could not find a larger following. When I heard it was being adapted for TV I thought "here we go again... another great book/film set to be ruined on the small screen." Boy was I wrong... finally a series that does a good job illustrating small town/high school life - a variation on the 90210 mold it is not.
What a pleasant surprise. A shame that NBC/Direct TV will feel forced to kill it.
In a world where all people do is bitch about how there is nothing to watch on TV, I find it amazing crap like American Idol and Dancing with the Stars sets ratings records but well written, well produced shows like TSCC and FNL can't get a break. Amazing! Even my GF who could care less about football won't let me delete the episodes of FNL off our PVR so that she can have repeat viewings.
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I hear people say that The X-Files did good on Friday nights. Well you know, that was a totally different time. The internet wasn't the way it is now. Video games were good, but nothing like they are now. You didn't have as many multiplex theates back then. You didn't have as many malls with multiplex theaters back then. I was at the mall on Friday. Guess what? It was packed. No one buying shit. Just all the high school kids hanging out and most of them were waiting for Friday the 13th to start. Like I said, totally different time. My whole family would come on Fridays and watch the TGIF lineup on ABC. Do you think any of us kids now that we're in our late 20's and 30's are sitting home now watching TV? Does anybody remember that there used to be sitcoms on Saturday evenings? They had huge ratings. No one in their right mind would put a highly rated show on weekends now unless it was a repeat from earlier in the week. So what does this mean? It means that T: TSCC is on its way out, and that Fox is getting ready to axe Dollhouse and replace it with, "Who Wants to Marry a Mall Santa."
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and I need neilsen to tell me that
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last Friday's episode had so many bad things in it. Kyle Reese?? Bad casting, bad dialog. So cheesy and poorly done.. what happened? I cringed more during that part than I do during a 5 episodes of The Office!
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I'm one of the biggest fans of this show, but the Friday night slot SUCKS. It'll be hard to keep me watching this or Dollhouse, and I represent the prime audience for these shows.
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I appreciate what the series has been trying to do: measured, deliberate, intelligent science-fiction. When I first heard about the show, I was very skeptical, because I wondered how this show could be translated to a series format without simply being a "terminator of the week" action-chase show. Don't listen to these morons who just want to see things blow up; that would have gotten very boring and very predictable very quickly. Please keep up the good work, and please don't cancel the show. There are people like me who appreciate thoughtful, philosophical sci-fi (with the occasional kickass action sequence thrown in for good measure), and we'll watch THAT genre if it's done well.
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no need for lots of splosions, and the fight/gunbattle scenes have always been the weakest element of all the Terminator flicks, anyway: How can the Dedicated Killing Machine Terminators be such lousy shots that they miss all the time? Some really terrific elements and concepts have been added to TSCC: the terminator who arrived nearly a century too early was extraordinarily well done, the idea that they check star positions to check "when" they are was good, too.Sure, the teenager is an annoying dumbass, and they need to back off on that a bit. But Lena Heady owns this role now, for me. And Summer Glau is doing a good job in her role, too. The FBI guy and the lady from Garbage are doing great work, very interesting to watch.Fox is managed by morons, though. That's a fact.
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Don't leave this show open ended. Give it a proper finale before you Terminate it.
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SCC and Dollhouse never grabbed me in their promotions and I missed their premieres. But it seems like this kind of show could have grown on me if me or someone I know had stumbled on it.
But the problem there is that this is a Friday night show, so no one is watching to begin with. An hour long drama on Friday night? Some of us like to go out on Fridays. I would hope that the networks would justify paying for these huge shows by putting them in a position to succeed. -
is illustrate how what they are doing is changing the future. Derek's girlfriend comes from a slightly altered future than the one Derek left behind. Things happened to the Derek she knew that didn't happen to the Derek who left her when he travelled back in time.
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Fox is currently taking its three best non-animated shows (Terminator, House, and Bones) and is trying to sabotage their ratings Wonderfalls style. Their method of attack is simple, put the shows on long intermittant breaks and then move the shows around to odd times so when it does come back, people have no idea. Personally, I enjoyed their old time slots as I had something to look forward to almost every day of the week. Fox has moved things around so much now that I have no idea where half of the shows are anymore. All I know is Fox has too much American Idol.
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I have seen the Sarah Connner Chronicles, and I like it. The scripts are good, the direction is good, the cinematography is good,and the actors and actresses are good (especially the MILF). Overall it is a very good show, and it should be getting good ratings ever week. Therefore, the fault has to lay with the fans, who are not watching the show. As far as I am concerned, the Terminator fans can all go fuck themselves! This show is too good for you sorry fucks! You know what, don't watch this show! That's right, just watch reruns of Stargate: Atlantis or Star Trek: Enterprise and just leave Sarah Conner the fuck alone! She's too good for you anyway, assholes!
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...but I bet it was a LOT cheaper to produce.
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