Animation and Anime

Animated trailer for TALES OF THE BLACK FREIGHTER premieres! It's sharktacularly awesome!

Published at: Feb. 13, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Wow, this looks awesome. I loved the concept of having the full TALES OF THE BLACK FREIGHTER story-within-a-story in WATCHMEN being done and having it be animated isn't a bad idea either. But with that idea came concern that if the production couldn't afford to do it live-action that the animation wouldn't be quality. Now that I've seen the below-linked trailer, all my fears are put to bed. It looks sharp, it looks beautiful and it looks badass. And Gerard Butler's voice seems perfectly suited for the material. Is it just me or does this remind you of a smoother AEON FLUX-type animation? Can't wait to see all this come together! We're less than a month away! MTV has the premiere of the trailer here! Make sure you click on the 720p High Def link below the window!


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  • Feb. 13, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Sad Little Canadian

    by MattDomville

    (sob)

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    that was F**king distracting.

    by ArcadianDS

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Looks okay, I guess.

    by DerLanghaarige

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10 a.m. CST

    Not sure

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I was pretty disapointed with "Gotham Knight" and though I know this is different, and the story itself is pretty cool, it sort of feels like they threw this together when the execs realized how they could package this. <P>Not sold yet.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Did they change the ending of this one as well?

    by TakeItEasyMon

    Assholes.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Fuck You MTV

    by Judge_Dredd

    Why can't they play it outside the US, total bullshit.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Never Really Liked it....

    by Pawprint

    And without the context of the Graphic Novel, I fear it will be just an overwrought and unspectacular cartoon.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Did you guys know they removed the shark?

    by ArcadianDS

    Been replaced with a stingray because that seemed more topical and relevant to today's audiences.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Does the quicktime URL link work for non USA?

    by Celicynd

    Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/cln497

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Issues!

    by Rando Calrisian

    Trailer looks pretty good, but I had a real problem with popups taking over my computer after trying to close the MTV window. Beware!

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    also

    by ArcadianDS

    they've all pretty much admitted now that the Black Frieghter portions of the Watchmen was done because the publisher saw how well the 6 part comic was selling and said, "make it 10 issues", so The Black Freighter was shoehorned into the story. The fact that you guys have read into it some kind of 'parallel' is coincidental. Alan Moore himself said so.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    what's the point?

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    yes, i'll buy it. yes, i'll watch it. But it can't have the impact on the story once it's seperated out. the point of the comic in a comic is that it comments on the overall story. without that interaction it's just a gnarly story about loneliness and obsession.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Celicynd

    by DHJeffries

    Yes it does, but my computer isn't good enough to play the 720p version smoothly.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    UK blues....

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    I wanna watch this trailer! Is it cos I is English?

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    QT 720 link works outside USA

    by aversiontherapy2

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    ArcanianDS

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    I'd never heard that before, that's interesting. I think it's a great little story, but I could never really see the paralells either. I think people do read too much into things these days.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST

    ArcadianDS

    by Evangelion217

    No, Hollis Mason's autobiography was a shoehorn, not the Tales of the Black Feighter. Get your facts straight.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    The Penultimate Gunslinger

    by Evangelion217

    You don't have to read too much to see the parallels. They are simply there, and they obviously slap you in the face during a second, or third reading. The fact that you didn't notice it, means that you weren't paying attention. Plain and simple. You say that people look too much into things, while you're simly not looking hard enough.

  • The animation and Gerard Butler seem perfect, but it really needs to be saved for the WATCHMEN Extended Edition. If the whole point is to expand upon the theatrical version, why bother watching it as a separate story?

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Arcadian DS

    by lovecraftian

    I don't know where you're getting your information from, but even if the only effort was to extend sales, you're just dead wrong about it not meaning anything. There are plenty of quotes by Moore about the various points of THE BLACK FREIGHTER and at least one quote about WHO the story symbolizes (I won't reveal it here.) In addition, it directly correlates with EC's conflict with Fredick Wertham before Congress as demonstrated in Issue #5 entitled "Fearful Symmetry."--That said, I think the cartoon will be cool. But I think I prefer the WATCHMEN MOTION COMIC stuff more.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I want a John Adams minimalistic Watchmen opera now

    by ricarleite

    I don't want a movie anymore.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    For those outside the US

    by thinboyslim.

    you can use Hotspot Shield to view any video content or listen to any US radio station or watch any online tv shows.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    alternatively go here

    by thinboyslim.

    http://tinyurl.com/cxa53e

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Rhorchak was originally a woman

    by ArcadianDS

    Around issue #3, they realized that wasn't going to work, so they changed. Thats why he was supposed to be wearing big lift shoes. He was a she.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Wow!

    by Lashlarue

    One word review for the movie. Embargo ends 2/23.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Rhorchak? lol

    by evil twin

    And that animation looks poor.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    "animation looks poor"

    by ArcadianDS

    did you see the part where the shark jumps out of the water? It looks like those home videos where people put google eyes on their chin and sing songs upsidedown.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Not Bad

    by claytonboen

    Not bad at all... http://makeasitcom.com

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    for those who took ArcadianDS seriously

    by thinboyslim.

    you guys should of seen it coming from comment #1 about the shark, the sharks in the fucking trailer!

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    We'll See

    by A-COD

    I'm glad they are doing something. But this will be a true test of A-COD's law of animation, animation always sucks. What makes the Black Freighter so memorable is how effectively the story is weaved together with the main plot. All that would be lost here, wouldn't it?

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    CHRISTIAN BALE APOLOGIZES FOR ARCADIANDS

    by ArcadianDS

    "he doesn't know how to work with rabid fanboys. Thats what that is."

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Thank you Celicynd

    by beatleMatt

    Works like a charm!!!

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I saw the shark bit...

    by lovecraftian

    But the second comment struck me as believably pissy. I'll admit it. You got me. Kudos sir. Well played.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Fuck this

    by technotranceporter

    I'm excited for the watchmen, but after Merick saying that Pelam 123 looks lazy I'm pissed. This looks fucking lazy. There was nothing in there to suggest anything other than another lame ass attempt to cash in on The Watchmen. I'll see the movie, I'll buy the DVD but fuck this, fuck it in it's stupid ass. And fuck Gerrad Butler btw. Who gives a shit about his'voice acting'? Please. Get a life.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I was wondering how they were gonna do this....

    by beatleMatt

    ...how they would incorporate this story into the movie. The kid reading this comic at the newstand. I guess they didn't incorporate it into the movie then?

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST

    GB jumps over the shark

    by j_difool

    at 2:10 in the trailer

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    That looks absolutey fantastic.

    by a goonie

    I am all up in that trailer. I love the look of the animation and Butler's voice. I can't wait to get my hands on that DVD.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    RE: ArcadianDS

    by ricarleite

    LIAR. Rorscharch was always a man, since the first sketches. He was based on The Question from Charlton comics, which was bought by DC back in 1984, when Alan Moore started to write it.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    thanks i was thirsty

    by ArcadianDS

    Im drinking your tears.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Animation looks like a sloppy mess

    by Bagheera

    poor construction, and it looks like the inbetweeners barely knew what they were doing

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    That's some shitty animation.

    by HoboCode

    Dull and uninspired.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Pixar was too busy to do this?

    by HoboCode

    Seems like a natural fit for them.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Ah the internet...where no one likes anything.

    by knowthyself

    Looks great to me. Can't wait to check it out.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    not only Pixar, but Mel Blanc wasn't available

    by ArcadianDS

    to voice the shark. Such a loss.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    looks ok

    by wash

    Animation looks better than I expected. But it's pretty pointless to have it dislodged from the main story.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Fuck you MTV

    by Johnny T Williams

    All the way from snowy Canada! Fuck. You.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Yes indeed,fuck you MTV

    by jimbubble

    What a bunch of wank..not available outside the US??? So the story was originally written and illustrated by English guys,yet it`s not available in the UK??? Nazi fxckin bum boys!

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    The best supplemental animation to a film still is...

    by knowthyself

    ..The Animatrix. The quality of the animation and quantity of stories told in that universe still rival most of the other animation dvd cash-ins. I'm glad they added UNDER THE HOOD to make the 25 bluray price tag a little less harsh considering this is a 22 minute cartoon.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    To the "dislodged" complaints.

    by knowthyself

    There was no way to put it into the theatrical release and keep the running time under three hours. There will be an extended dvd that will have new scenes added into the movie along with the black freighter being put back in as well.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Looks Shit

    by CharyouTree

    this was better in the day<p> http://tinyurl.com/dl33eu and Fuck American Copyright Shite

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    the REAL reason it isn't in the film

    by ArcadianDS

    there was no way to put it into the theatrical release and keep the audience in their chairs.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    just a ploy to sell more DVDs

    by Rupee88

    the fanboy base buys a lot of DVDs, so they are just sweetening the deal.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    If you want you can wait for the extended dvd.

    by knowthyself

    I'm just glad Snyder included the black freigher. Again proving how faithful watchmen is going to be. Even as just a supplemental film he realizes its important to have it out there as a companion piece to the film.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Snyder's faithful interpretation

    by ArcadianDS

    Will there be a cartoon about the Original Night Owl?

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Dave Gibbons' art style should of been the animation

    by most excellent ninja

    fucking hell Gibbons' Green Lantern Corps rules. His writing of the issue where Sodam Yat becomes Ion to fight Superboy-Prime is inspirational, a true superhero moment.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Thank you Celicynd

    by CountdeCeredigion

    Looks awesome!

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    "Graphic Novel"

    by BigDude

    I just love the way the studios call comic books "graphic novels" when they market these films, because they think it lends some kind of legitimacy to them. HA!

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Beneath a Steel sky

    by Harold The Great

    I started playing it thanks to the watchmen buzz. Gibbons artwork is awesome. Fucking A

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    MTV FLASH PLAYERS ARE A PIECE. OF. SHIT.

    by alice 13

    MTV FLASH PLAYERS ARE A PIECE. OF. SHIT.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Looks shit

    by Mr.Twist

    Pass.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    A little pointless....

    by Zandunga

    Don't get me wrong, Tales of the Black Freighter will be interesting to watch and I'm looking forward to it. But having it be separate from the Watchmen story is a little pointless - the entire purpose of Black Freighter is to provide a parallel to what is going on inside the Watchmen story. It works on that simultaenous track bit by bit, as both stories progress together, to make a point. By separating them, you rob Black Freighter of its resonance, weight, and meaning. It's just an isolated tale - a cool one, but the link is severed so it's kinda pointless. That said, it would be next to impossible to integrate it within a live action feature, so it's good that it isn't included. I'm just saying that the inability to insert it into the story is one of the reasons why a truly effective translation of Watchmen is impossible, and why Alan Moore is correct in saying that he constructed a story that would only work properly within the comic book form, and is thus "unfilmable".

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    1 minute of trailer for damn 10 seconds of footage

    by compn

    what shit. a visionary director would make sure his trailers didnt include bullshit like 'visionary director' taking up precious trailer time.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    JUST BECAUSE THEY MAKE IT...

    by halsolo

    Doesn't mean we have to thank them for doing a medoicre job. Medium budget animation, inconsistent movement, and it looks nothing like the EC COMICS inspired Dave Gibbons drawn sub-story in Watchmen. It looks exactly like the Animatrix/Gotham Knight dvd releases prior by WB. So much for making it look like a comic from that period, now it looks like the mediocre SPAWN series from the 90s. Geeks - open your eyes and get it through your head that THIS IS NOT CUTTING EDGE ANIMATION, its the same shit they've been peddling as direct to video animation. Its only OK, but I'd have respect if it looked like the comic (even if the movement was only ok) and I don't need excuses for wanting the medium of animation to be something that fulfills its infinite promise and possibilties. Way to shortchange us WB, and anyone who forks $30 for this is an idiot and just continuing this trash "tie in" mentality.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Liked It

    by Cobbio

    MTV uses silly technology, I agree, but the animation looked pretty badass to me. I've never read "Watchmen," so I don't know "Tales of The Black Freighter," but I'm excited for this.<p> I basically agree with Quint, that the animation evokes a smoother Aeon Flux. Nice.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    The Whiners

    by MonkeyBoy88

    Some of the mumble jumble of this reminds me of the old SNL sketch: The Whiners. As for the parallels... I didn't think there was one for the upteen times that I read the book only (SPOILER ALERT) drawing the similarities of the descending madness of both the narrator of the Black Frieghter and Veidt. I only picked up on that after just reading the Frieghter parts of the book and skipping the rest. I just thought the Frieghter bits were distracting at first.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    i appreciate snyder's effort

    by smudgewhat

    to generate all the additional content. if he didn't love the source material, i doubt he'd bother. hope this movie is great, and a great success.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    AEON FLUX-type animation? not even close

    by BMacSmith

    i'll check it out though

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    lol @ spoiler alerts

    by ArcadianDS

    for a best selling comic book from two decades ago.<p> also, Bruce Willis was dead for the whole movie.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I guess it's cool it's out there...

    by zer0cool2k2

    So fans can watch the DVD after seeing the film, and I'm sure some enterprising pirate out there will get a torrent of the theatrical release and splice in the Black Freighter footage. But, I'm wondering, since this will already be out there, will they still do an extended DVD/Blu-Ray of the film with the Black Freighter footage edited in? (Just because Snyder promised the footage would be shot for it, doesn't mean the studio has to release it, when they could just package the already pressed Black Freighter disc). Or maybe they'll release a plain-jane disc in a few months, to be followed by a triple-dip all-inclusive version. I'm really hoping for a blu-ray that will give you the option of watching the unrated version of Watchmen, the Tales of the black Freighter as a standalone, or a spliced ultimate version.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Hey MonkeyBoy

    by Zandunga

    Boy, did you ever miss the boat. You've read Watchmen multiple times, but still don't understand the parallels and overall point of the freighter....are you that dense a reader, or just a lowest common denominator uneducated dolt? The reason why you don't get it is immaterial - you could be a lobotomized chimp for all I care - but your post reveals your own incomprehension of the Black Freighter. You're way out of your league because you didn't understand it, so you have no clue what is being discussed. I feel sorry for you.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    HERE COMES THE NERDS

    by ArcadianDS

    that will tell us how we lack the ability to understand plot structure, character nuance, and parallel references of story-within-story...<p> IN A F**KING COMIC BOOK.<p> Seriously, if you fatasses could see you through our eyes, you'd piss your pants at how Simpsons Comic Book Guy you are.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    well done

    by bacci40

    doesnt have the same meaning, in that the animation is not in the ec style...but it looks damn good

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    A list of things that people hate in this talkback so far

    by Dapper Swindler

    1. The animation <br> 2. The shark <br> 3. MTV's website <br> 4. Gotham Knight <br> 5. MTV in general <br> 6. The DVD as a studio cash-in <p> All this based on a 70 second clip?

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    guys, it will be integrated into the extended dvd

    by bacci40

    SO STOP YOUR FUCKING BITCHING

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    #7 on that list of things to hate

    by ArcadianDS

    7. Dapper Swindler

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Dont worry guys - I'll take care of it

    by ArcadianDS

    I plan to use my handicam to record a sock puppet version of The Freighter and post the clips to youtube. Then you can just splice them into the movie where appropriate.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Awesome! I am buying.

    by monorail77

    That's it. It looks great, I want to see it, its a cool bonus I wasn't expecting. I will pay money to see this. End of story.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    THIS IS NOT CUTTING EDGE ANIMATION?

    by knowthyself

    You expected a 22 minute cartoon to have cutting edge animation? Are you high?

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    and thank you, Celicynd

    by monorail77

    For the QT link for us non-Americans.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    looks like Bakshi

    by ArcadianDS

    which is animation-speak for 'crap'

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    to compare this to aeon flux is a fucking insult btw

    by compn

    peter chung's work is wayyy above this.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    *SPOILER*

    by ArcadianDS

    Im using a grey sweatsock for the shark. Its AWESOME.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Watchman

    by Miguel De Barioz

    I don't see what the hell this story has to do with Watchman? It looks like Pirates of carribean! I'm sooo excited about the actual film - but I think they should have got Dan Shanks to play RawShark and a big star to play Watchman, but hey - bring it on! I loved 300 and I also loved Sin City so Im gonna love watchman.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Ungrateful fanboy fucks

    by seagrass

    should be thankful that they are even getting an adaptation of "Tales". Oh, and the squid was the WORST PART OF WATCHMEN.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Why buy this?

    by pishowda

    If this is going to be included within the context of the film in the final DVD version, why buy it?? Also, how long could this possibly be? I can't seem to justify blowing 25 dollars on a BD of this.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I agree...

    by Zandunga

    ...the squid is stupid. Who cares?

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    grey sweatsock with a hole in the toe

    by ArcadianDS

    it works out well tho - I put fake drakula teeth in the hole.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Hole in the toe - semen release.

    by vic twenty

    You'll go blind, Arcadian.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    uh Rhorshach isnt in The Black Frieghter you tool

    by ArcadianDS

    you're not a true Watchmen Nerd. Get out.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Animation doesn't look impressive to me

    by Stengah

    i'll let it slide though.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    its actually your sister's sock

    by ArcadianDS

    I forgot to give it back at the end of the school day.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    hey, ArcadianDS

    by oisin5199

    Why are you such a dick? Especially for its time, Watchmen was more intelligent, dense, and had more depth, character development and psychology than a hell of a lot of regular non-graphic 'novels'. To read any of Alan Moore's more complicated works and then disparage it as 'just a fucking comic book' is truly the mark of ignorance and snobbery. And yeah, someone who doesn't get it. And technically, Watchmen was a comic mini-series, that most people refer to as a graphic novel because it's best known as a collection. Graphic novel is NOT the same as a comic book. Usually a graphic novel is a complete story in itself, and they are sold as books, not single issue comics (like Persepolis, Blankets, History of Violence, etc). If it's a collection, it's a trade paperback.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    KurtLockwood

    by seagrass

    Come on, it's called sarcasm. The whole squid "party" should never have existed to begin with. Keep fucking with ArcadianDS, though...it's rather amusing.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Make sure you click on the 720p High Def link below the window!

    by Series7

    Douche my computer sucks.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Why can't this be part of the film?

    by eggart

    And better? Looks like they hired the animators of Super Friends to make it.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    IF YOU ARE FROM OUTSIDE OF USA GO TO YOUTUBE

    by scottishnutjob

    It's already on there.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    so when's the "extended cut" coming?

    by Bouncy X

    will they be nice enough to release it at the same time as the theatrical? or will the theatrical come and then 6 months later the extended?

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Fuck MTV

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    Any site that makes me watch and ad before watching an ad while pop ups destroy my screen and lags like a motherfucker can suck my dick. STOP PRETENDING MTV HAS ANY INFLUENCE ANYMORE!!!!! ITS OVER!!!!

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    SAVE THE WHALES. POST IN THE BALE TB TODAY!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    KurtLockwood

    by seagrass

    The squid part being the worst. Should have clarified that. I meant the rest, though :)

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Black Freighter was NOT added after the fact

    by harmil

    "they've all pretty much admitted ... Black Frieghter ... was done because the publisher saw how well the 6 part comic was selling and said, 'make it 10 issues'" -- There are two problems with your theory. 1) Watchmen was 12 issues and was billed as such from the start 2) Tales first appeared as a sub-story within issue 3. I think you might be very slightly making that up entirely.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Hope this shit

    by ominus

    dies horribly in the boxoffice.but even if the fans only watch it,it still will be a success,which means we ll get a sequel.there will be no end in the raping of mr alan moore's masterpiece.damn.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    eggart

    by ominus

    it isnt part of the movie,because holywood wants to sell a product.not to make art.thats life.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    OK, from what Alan Moore has said before:

    by ricarleite

    His first rough draft of what Watchmen would be involved old Charlton heroes, with no main character dying (you know who I mean), and six volumes. When he signed to do 12 by DC comics AND not allowed to use existing heroes, he decided to fill up the gap by showing details about each hero's past and life. While on book 3, he decided to kill you know who, and the whole storyline was absolutely completed by then.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    And more:

    by ricarleite

    He added the Black Freighter for three reasons. One, to prepare the reader for what Ozymandias would be and would do, and do it in a subtle way. To introduce Bennie and Bernard and have their final moments together so shocking and touching (last panels of book 11). Also, to show what an universe with "superheroes" would produce as comic book art. Alan Moore imagined that the main topic for comic books would not be costumed heroes, but things like narrated pirate story. The illustrator for the Black Freighter was a paralel universe Joe Orlando's (and it was written by the kidnapped writer of course).

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    And to conclude: WAIT for the ultimate DVD.

    by ricarleite

    Don't buy this now. Really.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Mouth breathers like Zandunga...

    by Zardozap2005

    ..need to get a life. Elitest comic book-fucking-NERD! Honestly boy, I've read comics since before you were in diapers, and not once have I ever treated anyone like you. ArcadianDelSol? I assume you're the real one, yes? Because if you aren't, well, I doubt the real one would like you using his name.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Ridiculous

    by Laserbrain

    There is no sound artistic (or even marketing) reason to present the Black Freighter story separate from the narrative it is meant to comment upon. More evidence that Snyder gets jack-shit about Watchmen beyond an appreciation of its graphic qualities.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    suck dick eat shit fuck off...

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    dear haters, your life would seem less worthless if you stopped your whining and found a hobby that didnt include being an annoying pussyfart. just dont see the movie, its that simple. wait, whats that? your going to see it anyway? cool.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Looks perfect

    by GregoryHarbin

    Exactly right. Perfect. Of course, I can't wait for the Extended Cut DVD with the Black Freighter scenes inserted properly, but I'll take what I can get for now.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    I don't know...

    by wampa 1

    ...but it sure smells good!

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    There are way too many people

    by smatt584

    Complaining about this being seperate from the main narrative. They've been up front from the start that they were keeping TBF out of the theatrical release for numerous reasons and cutting it back into the DVD/bluray "ultimate" edition like what was done with the lord of the rings movies. It's the best of both worlds, so why all the bitching? Theyre only releasing it seperately so that fans can see both when its released theatrically and to recoup some production costs on the fucking thing earlier rather than waiting for the movie to hit stores. Seriously, the only people who should be complaining are those who don't like how the movie/cartoon looks this far.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Meh...

    by CaptEgo

    Each time that I've perused Watchmen I've always found the BF to be an irritant. I did not care for it. Stylistically it was absolutely overcooked and like all the dossier nonsense just seemed like a bunch of completely unneccesary filler. Yes...you wrote a detailed backstory and a 'parallel' story...big fucking deal. Can we...you know...get on to the point? As to this 'animated endeavour', unlike some of the brilliant *extrapolation* in Animatrix, this looks like a calculated cash-in knowing the propensities of the geek crowd.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    smatt584

    by Laserbrain

    I wasn't aware TBF was intended to be cut into a future dvd cut. <p> Fair enough. I withdraw the criticism.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Laserpants

    by smatt584

    I wasn't trying to target you, it's something I keep seeing on a lot of talkbacks.

  • Feb. 13, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    CaptEgo....you stupid fuck

    by bacci40

    watchmen was never meant to be "perused"<p> think it was picked by time as one of the best novels in the 20th century cuz there was a nice mystery and gritty story?<p> the bf and under the hood stuff, as well as other "filler" tell the other story....moore's take on the history of american comics...which is really what the real story of watchmen is<p> but you keep "perusing"...sorry that you couldnt read the whole thing in 15 minutes....archie comics might be better suited for you

  • Feb. 14, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    smatt

    by Laserbrain

    No problem, man. Thanks for the clarification.

  • Feb. 14, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    "Can we...you know...get on to the point? "

    by oisin5199

    Only an idiot would say this about Watchmen. The whole thing's a tapestry. Can you imagine Capt. Ego watching Citizen Kane: 'Fuck this whole snowglobe thing. Let's get to the point!' I think I can safely say he wasn't the target audience. Sheesh.

  • Feb. 14, 2009, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Watchmen is always in my toilet

    by Harold The Great

    It's the best thing to read a few pages from when taking a shit. I like it, it's a fun book with some deeper layers, with tons of re-readability. But no, it's not Dostoyevsky. It's not worth it to get riled up about it.

  • Feb. 14, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I'm just pissed off because

    by dick splash

    when I clicked the link it started playing The Fucking Fray. You need to put a warning on for that shit.

  • Feb. 14, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    HIgh Horse Geeks

    by YeahSureWhatever

    Sorry, I didn't understand all the Black Freighter subtext as it related to the Watchmen. I just thought that the Watchmen was a good story, dealing with bad results due to good intentions. Hey, kinda like the dude in the Black Freighter killing innocents thinking he was avenging his family. Sure one was accidental and one was intentional, but fuck it...it's a PARALLEL!

  • Feb. 14, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Yeah... Thanks for crashing my browser MTV...

    by Kid Z

    ...chickenhead, emo f**ks!

  • Feb. 14, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Watchman 2

    by Miguel De Barioz

    I hope they dont but here would be my castin for watchman 2: The Pacifier. Watchman - Christian Bale; RawShark - Dan Shanks; The girl - Gillian Anderson; The Villian - CGI (or Liam Neeson); The Cops - Adrian Brody, Sean Connery, Mel Gibson, a coloured man, an Irish man; The Snitch - Steve Buscemi; Doctor Manhatten - Dustin Hoffman. Possible link up with rest of DC universe would be cool too. Capatin America Versus RawShark!!! What do you guys think?

  • Feb. 14, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Fuck Watchman...and Fuck Alan Moore

    by plissken77

    Zac Snyder should have remade The Punisher...the greatest comic book hero of all time. Zac go get Gerard Butler....put him in a Skull Shirt(without a neck qaurd)....get Paddy Considine cut his face up and call him Jigsaw...and throw in Jenna Haze...Lisa Daniels....Amy Reid..and Halia Hill(cause every movie needs porn stars) and informants for Jigsaw giving him info on Castle's location....Tits and bloodbath ensue...oh wait...maybe they should just call it Friday the 13th part 2...Jason v. The Punisher...all filmed on a green screen stage. In all seriousness though...this looks great..Ive read the Watchman...not gonna sit here and preach what is right or wrong about what we've seen. Looks pretty good to me. And Kurt Lockwood..thanks...I never understood that The BF was a metaphore for Veidt..that went way over my head...to much Punisher comics i guess

  • Feb. 15, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Looks okay...

    by Johnno

    Doesn't make sense to separate it from the flick, but I agree it'd be tough to work it into the live action movie, and it would make a cool DVD extra, but that is all at this point... Can't see myself justifying the purchase of a whole new BD for it. It should be part of a two disc collector's edition. Maybe that's the plan anyway and we'll get a Watchmen extended boxset collection that has got it all in there simply for geek value and they're selling it separately too. WB has been all about the animated tie ins. The animation in this looks servicable. Half of Gotham Knight was good, and Animatrix is hands down the best animated anthology for a franchise film! The stories are neat to awesome, the animation styles are varied and top notch and they actualy handed full creativity over to top veteran anime directors too. Honestly, Watchmen should've been handed to a Japanese studio to make a 13 episode series of it. It's the only way to do it full justice! The Japanese respect manga and even reproduce much of it panel for panel faithfully in anime, hel they'd even keep the Black Frieghter and the Squid! That's all you needed... give the comics to the Japs and for half the budget of this film you'd get a faithfuly reproduced episodic version of Watchmen, character designs and everything with some good stylish animation. They can do some very awesome things with a good budget! Watchmen should've been an anime!

  • Feb. 15, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    This would be a good place

    by DeadPanWalking

    to reinsert the squid. Make it happen, Hollywood!

  • Feb. 15, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Eschew such sites

    by The StarWolf

    You sghould ignore such sites which screw people over because they don't have the great good fortune to be living in the Imperial States of America. :p

  • Feb. 15, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Another bad address

    by The StarWolf

    "http://tinyurl.com/cln497" doesn't work, either. "Error processing your request".

  • Feb. 16, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Why is this needed without the squid?

    by Fuck The Napkin

    In the comic, one of the reasons we get Tales of the Black Freighter is to show us how warped the mind of the writer is, before he's forced to come up with dark thoughts for the squid to spread. So what's the point of it now? I'm glad it's been made, for completion's sake, but is it actually going to relate to the story at all? And if so, does that mean the 'sick thoughts' part of Ozy's plot is still used?

  • Feb. 16, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Fuck the Napkin

    by bellwether

    Even taking out the Comic Book Monster, so you don't need Shea and the others to create it, there's still plenty of parallels in the Black Freighter. For instance, spoilerspoiler "dreams of swimming towards an enormous..." (...ship, presumably.) He talks of walking across the backs of murdered innocents. There's a lot of visual cuts in the book, such as between the radiation symbol on fallout shelters and the sails of the black freighter bearing down on humanity. Chapter 11, Two Riders Were Approaching, has three way cuts between the raftbuilder and his dead companion on horseback, two Jehovah's Witnesses talking to Bernard at the newstand, and Nite Owl and Rorshach approaching Karnak. There's a lot of dialogue cutting between Bernard, as he talks about the fear of war, and the guy building the raft. And there's a good few puns (raw shark/rorshach). Although most of that gets lost if the Black Freighter is separate rather than sown throughout the main story, there's still plenty left.

  • Feb. 16, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Since everyone knows...

    by Marvinatmiddleage

    ... that this will be included on the DVD 'round November, is anyone actually gonna buy it now? How geeky do you have to be? Just sayin'...

  • Feb. 17, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I get that

    by Fuck The Napkin

    I know there are lots of parallels in the imagery and the dialogue, but that's nothing to do with the storyline - that's just a neat way of blending the Black Freighter in with the Watchmen story. But that's not even relevant now it's being presented separately. So my point was... What relevance does this have, apart from being made just to keep nerds happy? If the writer of the Black Freighter isn't part of Ozy's plot, surely it has no point whatsoever.

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