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Animated trailer for TALES OF THE BLACK FREIGHTER premieres! It's sharktacularly awesome!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Wow, this looks awesome. I loved the concept of having the full TALES OF THE BLACK FREIGHTER story-within-a-story in WATCHMEN being done and having it be animated isn't a bad idea either. But with that idea came concern that if the production couldn't afford to do it live-action that the animation wouldn't be quality.
Now that I've seen the below-linked trailer, all my fears are put to bed. It looks sharp, it looks beautiful and it looks badass. And Gerard Butler's voice seems perfectly suited for the material. Is it just me or does this remind you of a smoother AEON FLUX-type animation?
Can't wait to see all this come together! We're less than a month away!
MTV has the premiere of the trailer here! Make sure you click on the 720p High Def link below the window!
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I was pretty disapointed with "Gotham Knight" and though I know this is different, and the story itself is pretty cool, it sort of feels like they threw this together when the execs realized how they could package this. Not sold yet.
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Assholes.
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Why can't they play it outside the US, total bullshit.
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And without the context of the Graphic Novel, I fear it will be just an overwrought and unspectacular cartoon.
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Been replaced with a stingray because that seemed more topical and relevant to today's audiences.
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Trailer looks pretty good, but I had a real problem with popups taking over my computer after trying to close the MTV window. Beware!
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they've all pretty much admitted now that the Black Frieghter portions of the Watchmen was done because the publisher saw how well the 6 part comic was selling and said, "make it 10 issues", so The Black Freighter was shoehorned into the story. The fact that you guys have read into it some kind of 'parallel' is coincidental. Alan Moore himself said so.
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yes, i'll buy it. yes, i'll watch it. But it can't have the impact on the story once it's seperated out. the point of the comic in a comic is that it comments on the overall story. without that interaction it's just a gnarly story about loneliness and obsession.
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Yes it does, but my computer isn't good enough to play the 720p version smoothly.
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I wanna watch this trailer! Is it cos I is English?
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I'd never heard that before, that's interesting. I think it's a great little story, but I could never really see the paralells either. I think people do read too much into things these days.
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No, Hollis Mason's autobiography was a shoehorn, not the Tales of the Black Feighter. Get your facts straight.
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You don't have to read too much to see the parallels. They are simply there, and they obviously slap you in the face during a second, or third reading. The fact that you didn't notice it, means that you weren't paying attention. Plain and simple. You say that people look too much into things, while you're simly not looking hard enough.
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Feb 13, 2009 10:25:32 AM CST
Looks great, but I'll wait for the WATCHMEN: EXTENDED EDITION DV
by spyguy
The animation and Gerard Butler seem perfect, but it really needs to be saved for the WATCHMEN Extended Edition. If the whole point is to expand upon the theatrical version, why bother watching it as a separate story?
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I don't know where you're getting your information from, but even if the only effort was to extend sales, you're just dead wrong about it not meaning anything. There are plenty of quotes by Moore about the various points of THE BLACK FREIGHTER and at least one quote about WHO the story symbolizes (I won't reveal it here.) In addition, it directly correlates with EC's conflict with Fredick Wertham before Congress as demonstrated in Issue #5 entitled "Fearful Symmetry."--That said, I think the cartoon will be cool. But I think I prefer the WATCHMEN MOTION COMIC stuff more.
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I don't want a movie anymore.
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you can use Hotspot Shield to view any video content or listen to any US radio station or watch any online tv shows.
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http://tinyurl.com/cxa53e
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Around issue #3, they realized that wasn't going to work, so they changed. Thats why he was supposed to be wearing big lift shoes. He was a she.
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One word review for the movie. Embargo ends 2/23.
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And that animation looks poor.
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did you see the part where the shark jumps out of the water? It looks like those home videos where people put google eyes on their chin and sing songs upsidedown.
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Not bad at all...
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you guys should of seen it coming from comment #1 about the shark, the sharks in the fucking trailer!
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I'm glad they are doing something. But this will be a true test of A-COD's law of animation, animation always sucks. What makes the Black Freighter so memorable is how effectively the story is weaved together with the main plot. All that would be lost here, wouldn't it?
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"he doesn't know how to work with rabid fanboys. Thats what that is."
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Works like a charm!!!
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But the second comment struck me as believably pissy. I'll admit it. You got me. Kudos sir. Well played.
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I'm excited for the watchmen, but after Merick saying that Pelam 123 looks lazy I'm pissed. This looks fucking lazy. There was nothing in there to suggest anything other than another lame ass attempt to cash in on The Watchmen. I'll see the movie, I'll buy the DVD but fuck this, fuck it in it's stupid ass. And fuck Gerrad Butler btw. Who gives a shit about his'voice acting'? Please. Get a life.
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...how they would incorporate this story into the movie. The kid reading this comic at the newstand. I guess they didn't incorporate it into the movie then?
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at 2:10 in the trailer
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I am all up in that trailer. I love the look of the animation and Butler's voice. I can't wait to get my hands on that DVD.
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LIAR. Rorscharch was always a man, since the first sketches. He was based on The Question from Charlton comics, which was bought by DC back in 1984, when Alan Moore started to write it.
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Im drinking your tears.
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poor construction, and it looks like the inbetweeners barely knew what they were doing
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Dull and uninspired.
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Seems like a natural fit for them.
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Looks great to me. Can't wait to check it out.
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to voice the shark. Such a loss.
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Animation looks better than I expected. But it's pretty pointless to have it dislodged from the main story.
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All the way from snowy Canada!
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What a bunch of wank..not available outside the US???
So the story was originally written and illustrated by English guys,yet it`s not available in the UK???
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..The Animatrix. The quality of the animation and quantity of stories told in that universe still rival most of the other animation dvd cash-ins. I'm glad they added UNDER THE HOOD to make the 25 bluray price tag a little less harsh considering this is a 22 minute cartoon.
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There was no way to put it into the theatrical release and keep the running time under three hours.
There will be an extended dvd that will have new scenes added into the movie along with the black freighter being put back in as well.
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this was better in the day
http://tinyurl.com/dl33eu
and Fuck American Copyright Shite
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there was no way to put it into the theatrical release and keep the audience in their chairs.
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the fanboy base buys a lot of DVDs, so they are just sweetening the deal.
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I'm just glad Snyder included the black freigher. Again proving how faithful watchmen is going to be. Even as just a supplemental film he realizes its important to have it out there as a companion piece to the film.
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Will there be a cartoon about the Original Night Owl?
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Feb 13, 2009 11:39:37 AM CST
Dave Gibbons' art style should of been the animation
by most excellent ninja
fucking hell Gibbons' Green Lantern Corps rules. His writing of the issue where Sodam Yat becomes Ion to fight Superboy-Prime is inspirational, a true superhero moment.
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Looks awesome!
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I just love the way the studios call comic books "graphic novels" when they market these films, because they think it lends some kind of legitimacy to them. HA!
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I started playing it thanks to the watchmen buzz. Gibbons artwork is awesome. Fucking A
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MTV FLASH PLAYERS ARE A PIECE. OF. SHIT.
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Pass.
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Don't get me wrong, Tales of the Black Freighter will be interesting to watch and I'm looking forward to it. But having it be separate from the Watchmen story is a little pointless - the entire purpose of Black Freighter is to provide a parallel to what is going on inside the Watchmen story. It works on that simultaenous track bit by bit, as both stories progress together, to make a point. By separating them, you rob Black Freighter of its resonance, weight, and meaning. It's just an isolated tale - a cool one, but the link is severed so it's kinda pointless.
That said, it would be next to impossible to integrate it within a live action feature, so it's good that it isn't included. I'm just saying that the inability to insert it into the story is one of the reasons why a truly effective translation of Watchmen is impossible, and why Alan Moore is correct in saying that he constructed a story that would only work properly within the comic book form, and is thus "unfilmable". -
what shit. a visionary director would make sure his trailers didnt include bullshit like 'visionary director' taking up precious trailer time.
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Doesn't mean we have to thank them for doing a medoicre job. Medium budget animation, inconsistent movement, and it looks nothing like the EC COMICS inspired Dave Gibbons drawn sub-story in Watchmen. It looks exactly like the Animatrix/Gotham Knight dvd releases prior by WB. So much for making it look like a comic from that period, now it looks like the mediocre SPAWN series from the 90s. Geeks - open your eyes and get it through your head that THIS IS NOT CUTTING EDGE ANIMATION, its the same shit they've been peddling as direct to video animation. Its only OK, but I'd have respect if it looked like the comic (even if the movement was only ok) and I don't need excuses for wanting the medium of animation to be something that fulfills its infinite promise and possibilties. Way to shortchange us WB, and anyone who forks $30 for this is an idiot and just continuing this trash "tie in" mentality.
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MTV uses silly technology, I agree, but the animation looked pretty badass to me. I've never read "Watchmen," so I don't know "Tales of The Black Freighter," but I'm excited for this.
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Some of the mumble jumble of this reminds me of the old SNL sketch: The Whiners.
As for the parallels... I didn't think there was one for the upteen times that I read the book only (SPOILER ALERT) drawing the similarities of the descending madness of both the narrator of the Black Frieghter and Veidt. I only picked up on that after just reading the Frieghter parts of the book and skipping the rest. I just thought the Frieghter bits were distracting at first. -
to generate all the additional content. if he didn't love the source material, i doubt he'd bother. hope this movie is great, and a great success.
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i'll check it out though
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for a best selling comic book from two decades ago.
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So fans can watch the DVD after seeing the film, and I'm sure some enterprising pirate out there will get a torrent of the theatrical release and splice in the Black Freighter footage. But, I'm wondering, since this will already be out there, will they still do an extended DVD/Blu-Ray of the film with the Black Freighter footage edited in? (Just because Snyder promised the footage would be shot for it, doesn't mean the studio has to release it, when they could just package the already pressed Black Freighter disc). Or maybe they'll release a plain-jane disc in a few months, to be followed by a triple-dip all-inclusive version. I'm really hoping for a blu-ray that will give you the option of watching the unrated version of Watchmen, the Tales of the black Freighter as a standalone, or a spliced ultimate version.
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Boy, did you ever miss the boat. You've read Watchmen multiple times, but still don't understand the parallels and overall point of the freighter....are you that dense a reader, or just a lowest common denominator uneducated dolt? The reason why you don't get it is immaterial - you could be a lobotomized chimp for all I care - but your post reveals your own incomprehension of the Black Freighter. You're way out of your league because you didn't understand it, so you have no clue what is being discussed. I feel sorry for you.
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that will tell us how we lack the ability to understand plot structure, character nuance, and parallel references of story-within-story...
IN A F**KING COMIC BOOK.
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doesnt have the same meaning, in that the animation is not in the ec style...but it looks damn good
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Feb 13, 2009 1:10:43 PM CST
A list of things that people hate in this talkback so far
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1. The animation
2. The shark
3. MTV's website
4. Gotham Knight
5. MTV in general
6. The DVD as a studio cash-in
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SO STOP YOUR FUCKING BITCHING
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7. Dapper Swindler
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I plan to use my handicam to record a sock puppet version of The Freighter and post the clips to youtube. Then you can just splice them into the movie where appropriate.
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That's it. It looks great, I want to see it, its a cool bonus I wasn't expecting. I will pay money to see this. End of story.
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You expected a 22 minute cartoon to have cutting edge animation? Are you high?
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For the QT link for us non-Americans.
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which is animation-speak for 'crap'
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peter chung's work is wayyy above this.
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Im using a grey sweatsock for the shark. Its AWESOME.
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I don't see what the hell this story has to do with Watchman? It looks like Pirates of carribean! I'm sooo excited about the actual film - but I think they should have got Dan Shanks to play RawShark and a big star to play Watchman, but hey - bring it on! I loved 300 and I also loved Sin City so Im gonna love watchman.
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should be thankful that they are even getting an adaptation of "Tales". Oh, and the squid was the WORST PART OF WATCHMEN.
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If this is going to be included within the context of the film in the final DVD version, why buy it??
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...the squid is stupid. Who cares?
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it works out well tho - I put fake drakula teeth in the hole.
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You'll go blind, Arcadian.
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you're not a true Watchmen Nerd. Get out.
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i'll let it slide though.
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I forgot to give it back at the end of the school day.
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Why are you such a dick? Especially for its time, Watchmen was more intelligent, dense, and had more depth, character development and psychology than a hell of a lot of regular non-graphic 'novels'. To read any of Alan Moore's more complicated works and then disparage it as 'just a fucking comic book' is truly the mark of ignorance and snobbery. And yeah, someone who doesn't get it. And technically, Watchmen was a comic mini-series, that most people refer to as a graphic novel because it's best known as a collection. Graphic novel is NOT the same as a comic book. Usually a graphic novel is a complete story in itself, and they are sold as books, not single issue comics (like Persepolis, Blankets, History of Violence, etc). If it's a collection, it's a trade paperback.
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Come on, it's called sarcasm. The whole squid "party" should never have existed to begin with. Keep fucking with ArcadianDS, though...it's rather amusing.
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Feb 13, 2009 2:19:26 PM CST
Make sure you click on the 720p High Def link below the window!
by series7
Douche my computer sucks.
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And better? Looks like they hired the animators of Super Friends to make it.
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It's already on there.
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will they be nice enough to release it at the same time as the theatrical? or will the theatrical come and then 6 months later the extended?
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Any site that makes me watch and ad before watching an ad while pop ups destroy my screen and lags like a motherfucker can suck my dick. STOP PRETENDING MTV HAS ANY INFLUENCE ANYMORE!!!!! ITS OVER!!!!
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The squid part being the worst. Should have clarified that. I meant the rest, though :)
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"they've all pretty much admitted ... Black Frieghter ... was done because the publisher saw how well the 6 part comic was selling and said, 'make it 10 issues'" -- There are two problems with your theory. 1) Watchmen was 12 issues and was billed as such from the start 2) Tales first appeared as a sub-story within issue 3. I think you might be very slightly making that up entirely.
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dies horribly in the boxoffice.but even if the fans only watch it,it still will be a success,which means we ll get a sequel.there will be no end in the raping of mr alan moore's masterpiece.damn.
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it isnt part of the movie,because holywood wants to sell a product.not to make art.thats life.
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His first rough draft of what Watchmen would be involved old Charlton heroes, with no main character dying (you know who I mean), and six volumes. When he signed to do 12 by DC comics AND not allowed to use existing heroes, he decided to fill up the gap by showing details about each hero's past and life. While on book 3, he decided to kill you know who, and the whole storyline was absolutely completed by then.
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He added the Black Freighter for three reasons. One, to prepare the reader for what Ozymandias would be and would do, and do it in a subtle way. To introduce Bennie and Bernard and have their final moments together so shocking and touching (last panels of book 11). Also, to show what an universe with "superheroes" would produce as comic book art. Alan Moore imagined that the main topic for comic books would not be costumed heroes, but things like narrated pirate story. The illustrator for the Black Freighter was a paralel universe Joe Orlando's (and it was written by the kidnapped writer of course).
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Don't buy this now. Really.
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..need to get a life. Elitest comic book-fucking-NERD! Honestly boy, I've read comics since before you were in diapers, and not once have I ever treated anyone like you. ArcadianDelSol? I assume you're the real one, yes? Because if you aren't, well, I doubt the real one would like you using his name.
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There is no sound artistic (or even marketing) reason to present the Black Freighter story separate from the narrative it is meant to comment upon. More evidence that Snyder gets jack-shit about Watchmen beyond an appreciation of its graphic qualities.
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dear haters,
your life would seem less worthless if you stopped your whining and found a hobby that didnt include being an annoying pussyfart. just dont see the movie, its that simple.
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Exactly right. Perfect. Of course, I can't wait for the Extended Cut DVD with the Black Freighter scenes inserted properly, but I'll take what I can get for now.
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...but it sure smells good!
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Complaining about this being seperate from the main narrative. They've been up front from the start that they were keeping TBF out of the theatrical release for numerous reasons and cutting it back into the DVD/bluray "ultimate" edition like what was done with the lord of the rings movies. It's the best of both worlds, so why all the bitching? Theyre only releasing it seperately so that fans can see both when its released theatrically and to recoup some production costs on the fucking thing earlier rather than waiting for the movie to hit stores. Seriously, the only people who should be complaining are those who don't like how the movie/cartoon looks this far.
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Each time that I've perused Watchmen I've always found the BF to be an irritant. I did not care for it. Stylistically it was absolutely overcooked and like all the dossier nonsense just seemed like a bunch of completely unneccesary filler. Yes...you wrote a detailed backstory and a 'parallel' story...big fucking deal. Can we...you know...get on to the point?
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I wasn't aware TBF was intended to be cut into a future dvd cut. Fair enough. I withdraw the criticism.
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I wasn't trying to target you, it's something I keep seeing on a lot of talkbacks.
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watchmen was never meant to be "perused" think it was picked by time as one of the best novels in the 20th century cuz there was a nice mystery and gritty story? the bf and under the hood stuff, as well as other "filler" tell the other story....moore's take on the history of american comics...which is really what the real story of watchmen is but you keep "perusing"...sorry that you couldnt read the whole thing in 15 minutes....archie comics might be better suited for you
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No problem, man. Thanks for the clarification.
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Only an idiot would say this about Watchmen. The whole thing's a tapestry. Can you imagine Capt. Ego watching Citizen Kane: 'Fuck this whole snowglobe thing. Let's get to the point!' I think I can safely say he wasn't the target audience. Sheesh.
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It's the best thing to read a few pages from when taking a shit. I like it, it's a fun book with some deeper layers, with tons of re-readability. But no, it's not Dostoyevsky. It's not worth it to get riled up about it.
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when I clicked the link it started playing The Fucking Fray. You need to put a warning on for that shit.
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Sorry, I didn't understand all the Black Freighter subtext as it related to the Watchmen. I just thought that the Watchmen was a good story, dealing with bad results due to good intentions. Hey, kinda like the dude in the Black Freighter killing innocents thinking he was avenging his family. Sure one was accidental and one was intentional, but fuck it...it's a PARALLEL!
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...chickenhead, emo f**ks!
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I hope they dont but here would be my castin for watchman 2: The Pacifier.
Watchman - Christian Bale; RawShark - Dan Shanks; The girl - Gillian Anderson; The Villian - CGI (or Liam Neeson); The Cops - Adrian Brody, Sean Connery, Mel Gibson, a coloured man, an Irish man; The Snitch - Steve Buscemi; Doctor Manhatten - Dustin Hoffman.
Possible link up with rest of DC universe would be cool too. Capatin America Versus RawShark!!!
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Zac Snyder should have remade The Punisher...the greatest comic book hero of all time.
Zac go get Gerard Butler....put him in a Skull Shirt(without a neck qaurd)....get Paddy Considine cut his face up and call him Jigsaw...and throw in Jenna Haze...Lisa Daniels....Amy Reid..and Halia Hill(cause every movie needs porn stars) and informants for Jigsaw giving him info on Castle's location....Tits and bloodbath ensue...oh wait...maybe they should just call it Friday the 13th part 2...Jason v. The Punisher...all filmed on a green screen stage.
In all seriousness though...this looks great..Ive read the Watchman...not gonna sit here and preach what is right or wrong about what we've seen. Looks pretty good to me. And Kurt Lockwood..thanks...I never understood that The BF was a metaphore for Veidt..that went way over my head...to much Punisher comics i guess -
Doesn't make sense to separate it from the flick, but I agree it'd be tough to work it into the live action movie, and it would make a cool DVD extra, but that is all at this point... Can't see myself justifying the purchase of a whole new BD for it. It should be part of a two disc collector's edition. Maybe that's the plan anyway and we'll get a Watchmen extended boxset collection that has got it all in there simply for geek value and they're selling it separately too. WB has been all about the animated tie ins. The animation in this looks servicable. Half of Gotham Knight was good, and Animatrix is hands down the best animated anthology for a franchise film! The stories are neat to awesome, the animation styles are varied and top notch and they actualy handed full creativity over to top veteran anime directors too. Honestly, Watchmen should've been handed to a Japanese studio to make a 13 episode series of it. It's the only way to do it full justice! The Japanese respect manga and even reproduce much of it panel for panel faithfully in anime, hel they'd even keep the Black Frieghter and the Squid! That's all you needed... give the comics to the Japs and for half the budget of this film you'd get a faithfuly reproduced episodic version of Watchmen, character designs and everything with some good stylish animation. They can do some very awesome things with a good budget! Watchmen should've been an anime!
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to reinsert the squid. Make it happen, Hollywood!
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You sghould ignore such sites which screw people over because they don't have the great good fortune to be living in the Imperial States of America. :p
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"http://tinyurl.com/cln497" doesn't work, either. "Error processing your request".
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In the comic, one of the reasons we get Tales of the Black Freighter is to show us how warped the mind of the writer is, before he's forced to come up with dark thoughts for the squid to spread. So what's the point of it now? I'm glad it's been made, for completion's sake, but is it actually going to relate to the story at all? And if so, does that mean the 'sick thoughts' part of Ozy's plot is still used?
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Even taking out the Comic Book Monster, so you don't need Shea and the others to create it, there's still plenty of parallels in the Black Freighter. For instance, spoilerspoiler "dreams of swimming towards an enormous..." (...ship, presumably.) He talks of walking across the backs of murdered innocents. There's a lot of visual cuts in the book, such as between the radiation symbol on fallout shelters and the sails of the black freighter bearing down on humanity. Chapter 11, Two Riders Were Approaching, has three way cuts between the raftbuilder and his dead companion on horseback, two Jehovah's Witnesses talking to Bernard at the newstand, and Nite Owl and Rorshach approaching Karnak. There's a lot of dialogue cutting between Bernard, as he talks about the fear of war, and the guy building the raft. And there's a good few puns (raw shark/rorshach). Although most of that gets lost if the Black Freighter is separate rather than sown throughout the main story, there's still plenty left.
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... that this will be included on the DVD 'round November, is anyone actually gonna buy it now? How geeky do you have to be?
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I know there are lots of parallels in the imagery and the dialogue, but that's nothing to do with the storyline - that's just a neat way of blending the Black Freighter in with the Watchmen story. But that's not even relevant now it's being presented separately. So my point was... What relevance does this have, apart from being made just to keep nerds happy? If the writer of the Black Freighter isn't part of Ozy's plot, surely it has no point whatsoever.
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