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Director for the NIGHTMARE reboot named... smells like Samuel Bayer!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I'm still not sold on remaking A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET... maybe it's just me not thinking it's time for Robert Englund to put up the burnt sweater, dirty fedora and famous glove, but I don't think making a contemporary version of the character sounds very appealing to me. That doesn't mean that the guys at Platinum Dunes can't do a kick-ass movie. My fear is that they can get away with goofy teenager shit in FRIDAY THE 13th, but go back and watch the first three NIGHTMARES and even though they're about teenagers they're not campy. When the series began to get campy it died.
But I'm actually a little emboldened by their choice for director. Samuel Bayer has not made a feature film before, but is very well known within the industry for his work on music videos and commercials. He directed Nirvana's SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT music video and if you don't remember it very clearly, give it a view below... it has a Nightmare feel to it. So does his work on Blind Melon's NO RAIN video (specifically the beginning):
I hope everybody involved is taking this seriously. The only upside I see to remaking A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET is rebooting the franchise away from Freddy, The Comedian and resetting the bizarre almost experimental nature of the nightmares, amping up the horror and suspense.
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that's right...fuckpiss
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It seems that the only reason the thing is going ahead is that without it, NOES is the only horror franchise without a shitty remake to ruin its name. Oh hang on, a bunch of the sequels already did that! Seriously though, NOES 1 and 3 are incredible, and even though I agree that this remake could see the franchise go dark and creepy again, I don't think it should get made at all. It is needed about as much as that Hellraiser remake.
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What's she been up to in the lat 15 year? The time is right for a comeback.
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ive read tons of books that havent been adapted, nowdays they just remake movies that really dont need to be remade
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felt more like a reboot than a sequel. It got back to the original Freddy, and is definitely my second favorite after the first.
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That if you have a movie made int he 1980s it now has to have an active remake in the pipeline or you have to leave Hollywood forever? Seriously, I was against the Halloween, Fog and EFNY remakes because Carpenter owned them; i was against Hitcher because noone could possibly play it like Hauer; and I was all for the Friday 13th and Bloody Valentine remakes because they weren't based on anything special in the first place. But NOES is a really great film. It isn't just a trashy slasher. Like Hellraiser it is a superb, frightening concept and no music-video respin can possibly do it justice. This is going to suck.
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Why you motherfuckers! So it's going to be Nightmare reshot and given a nu emo sheen. This guy did the teen spirit video Cobain hated and gave us videos from such great artists as My Chemical Romance and Green Day doing emo via Oasis. Well, at least they have their target demographic mapped out pretty well. Nightmare is really interesting material that could have been made into something special if you brought on a team with dudes like Cunningham or whatnot. Even an up and coming newbie like Jonathan Levine lookin for a studio gig handout. Oh well, at least some 30 something teenage hotties are gonna get cut up.
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Stupid. Won't be getting my money. The Nightmare franchise is in no way like F13, which I'll admit, out of all the classic horror slashers, stood the best to be remade.
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Are you THAT much of a studio whore that you have to try to claim this is a choice to get excited about?
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Shows that this won't be the sunny "California Looking" Springwood of "A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master". I hope that this movie is taken seriously. And the fact that they actually took to their blog to collect fan input shows they are at least trying. I love Freddy, probably more than Jason. Nightmare films has a lot of future stars in front and behind the scenes. They have a better track record with sequels as only a few of them sucked out right. I hope this director does a good job and makes Freddy less wisecracking and even darker than before. The audience shouldn't cheer for a former child molesting murderer. You should fear him.
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I am no studio whore. I'm making that claim based on... you know... the guy's previous work and the look he has proven he can bring. I spend the first half of the article saying why I don't think this is a good idea, but the fact that they're going with Bayer proves they're at least looking to recapture the surreal aspect of the series. I was dreading a Paul WS Anderson or Marcus Nispel on this. Nispel can make pretty looking movies, but I don't think he's a match for this material. Can Bayer fuck this up? Sure. I don't know if he can work with actors, I don't know if he can fine tune the script to make it the best it can be. I only know that visually he's an interesting choice.
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You will have the ridiculously fanatical Gossip Girl crowd of 3 Million Viewers running to see this opening day. That's at least 30 mil right there. And she's the best actress on the show.
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I prayed every day and night to him for putting Chris Cunningham on the director's chair and he gave me someone who made a fucking Nirvana video.
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Proves they are looking to capture the same market who spends big on Panic At The Disco records and blac eyeliner. Moody tweens. He's a lousy choice whose obviously being brought in because he can do commercially viable teen angst. Which is just about the most boring and obvious choice for a Nightmare reshoot. It shows they are going for the easy buck. I mean, fuck, I suppose you can't really expect more than that. But it would have been nice to see them try something a little more interesting. Then again, this has the chance to make more money than the Halloween or Friday remakes, so why risk it. Hell, if they were going to throw cheap music video hacks at it, why not bring back Renny Harlin. Its a shame Romanek didn't get sued to the point of financial ruin, then at least maybe we could have got a GOOD tweeny goth video director.
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Everyone keeps saying Ben Foster or Robert Knepper or Billy Bob Thornton. Ben Foster is a rising young actor that probably won't want to be tied to a movie that will spawn many sequels. And Robert and Billy Bob look TOO much like perverts. It will be totally unconvincing if neighborhood children go missing for weeks and no one suspects the perviest looking dude on the block. If you get someone who looks normal, like Meloni (especially since audiences are used to seeing him protect sex crime victims on TV) it would work. Plus we all know he got the chops to pull it off from his stint on "Oz". I personally wouldn't want to replace Englund. But I know he gave this movie his blessing to find a new Kreuger.
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I remember letting out a sigh of relief when I found out Shannon Hoon died, because I knew I would not have listen to his Joplinesque man-screeching anymore. Now if Linkin Park would just die Iwould be even happier.
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saw f13 and it rocks. i'm waiting for freddy now.
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...Why not just bring back Englund, since they don't give a fuck about what they are pumping out anyway.
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Fuck Michael Bay and Fuck Platinum Dunes!! What's next? The Exorcist or Rosemary's baby?
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You're right. Chris Cunningham would have been ideal. I'm not listening to the music, just looking at the pure visual style, Whiny. Forget the audience for the music and give those videos a look again and see what he can visually bring to the world.I'm not championing him as a pick nor am I suggesting this movie is a good idea. I'm just explaining why I feel this is an interesting choice for director.
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Have you noticed PLatinum Dunes always casts CW teen heart-throb teen actors in their remakes? Like Texas Chainsaw, and now F13
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Platinum Dunes track record with serious horror so far has been pretty shitty. I hold no hope for the Nightmare remake at this point.
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I'm not kidding, think about it! He's versatile and even looks like a young Robert Englund. -
This movie completely runs my life. I am fucking done living!
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Remakes have two settings : meandering, bloated, self-indulgent love letter (Jackson King Kong) and soulless money grab (everything Platinum Dunes does). Comic book adaptations are worse, somehow getting made by people dumber than the morons who read the originals. Real book adaptations are even very unreliable. Original material, please!
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Bring in the CW Teen disposable income from fans. The Unborn had no name folks in it and it just did OK. MBV3D had Supernatural boy and it made money. The same will happen with F13. The fanbase for Supernatural is as equally as rabid and supportive as the ones for Gossip Girl and One Tree Hill. Hiring those kids to be in movies where they will be slaughtered by a killer is a no brainer because they aren't divas who ask for millions and they come cheap. With a movie budget at 15 million you can't afford to pay anyone over 500K.
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..will NEVER do a feature film, he's too much of a perfectionist, and is never happy, which makes me very sad.
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Billy Bob plays Freddy as Karl Childers."Urm... Come to... Urm... Come to... Urm... Freddy. Come to Freddy. Urm hurm."
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Jim Carrey for Freddy.
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Bale: Fuck your hall pass you fucking amature. You are standing there while a body bag is dragging itself down the all adadadadadadada.
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Make Freddy like Eddie the Head. Depict him in crazy nightmarish ways. I know they've sorta done this before, but it'd be much cooler if it wasn't just a dude with a glove with knives on it. And for fuck's sake, make the nightmares actually scary!
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until he did ALIEN 3.
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he would have been an okay choice - even though Mirrors sucked donkey scrotum...
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Michael Shannon would be a good choice. Anybody see him in Bug? That dude was freaky!
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Feb 12, 2009 10:09:05 AM CST
I've heard they're playing up the "child molester" angle.
by tylerdurden3395
Which is a good idea. The last thing you want from this remake is people rooting for Freddy. I thought Ronny Yu did a credible job at making Freddy scary again. That scene where the pre-burnt Freddy was smoking a cigarette and caressing the kid's picture was genuiunely creepy.
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Was just a rumor. And David Fincher, Michael Gondry, Spike Jonze, Ridley Scott, all directors of music video's or commercials before they went on to make feature movies.
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Feb 12, 2009 10:23:30 AM CST
"hey that guy who did that video 18 years ago..hed be a good cho
by somashine
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People keep bitching about how these remakes are going to be geared towards teens, who do you thnk the target audience was for the originals? These movies are not being made for of marketed to guys in their 30s and 40s just like the originals weren't. These remakes are designed to scare and titllate the money out of kids just like the originals were. Why is that so hard to understand?
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i agree. play up that he was a sick manipulitive fuck that lured tricked and tortured children. because if anything freddy became the comic relief protagonist in the old stuff and you never really loated him at all. you need to want to kill the motherfucker, but also be scared of what he can do to you.
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You're wasting your time. You're dealing with people who demand that their childhood grow up with them. They ain't gonna listen to us.That said, if you're GOING TO make crappy teen horror movies at least make NEW crappy teen horror movies.
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I think the problem stems from the act that while the original was geared for a teen audience, it wasn't a patronizing or dumbed down concept or script.
Nowadays when they market to teens, it's the teen moron demographic not the non-retards who are targeted.
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Even though I didn't really care for The Cell, I really liked The Fall and the guy can definately do surreal dream imagery and do stories that take place half in reality and half in fantasy.
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Let's go in a COMPLETELY different direction, rather than ape Englund's performance. Since they want to make Candyman white, why not take the Candyman actor, and make him Freddy? Tony Todd's voice is pretty creepy. He is a scary looking guy. And he would definately by a very different take on the role. He could add a brutality to Freddy.
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wondered when Bayer would direct feature? he's made some solid videos...Zombie, metallica, yada
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And what was with all the gay subtext? I thought 4 was alright.
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No way. No how. I usually don't harp on remakes. But, frankly, even though we all love Kane Hodder, nobody, NOBODY else is Freddy but Robert Englund. In addition, this is the kind of shit that keeps people from coming up with orignal takes on all of these horror concepts. Because every few minutes or so, some studio jackass says, "Hey! We own the rights. Let's create more bullshit!" The truth is, the truly great creative ideas are becoming sullied and shelved because the remake hounds won't stop.
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should be Freddy Krueger. It not like we have to SEE his old face. He would be behind make up. My goodness the man CREATED THE CHARACTER!
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She was the typical wholesome girl next door before.
In the remake she'll be perfectly plucked, laquered, manicured and CW doll-like.
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Mitchy's gotta eat too!!!
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Robert Englund is and always will be Freddy. There is NO NEED for a remake, and there will never be one. I don't care if Christ himself is directing.
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For making shit like The Love Guru
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.... it seems that is the only way we can get some good original horror these days - before that too hits the states and gets turned into a bullshitty remake starting Sarah Michelle Geller.
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I stand corrected. Now that's a remake i could get behind! Though i think i may prefer to watch Mike Myers fall into the hands of Pinhead.
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He was fucking creepy in 30 days of night and 3:10 to Yuma, the only thing against him is that he is very young, but i can't think of anyone else...
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I'm not condoning nor condemning this remake, because I honestly don't care; why bother agitating yourself about the quality of a reboot when we were already subjected to 5(arguably less, arguably more--I love DC and New Nightmare) god awful sequels? Anyway, I think an awesome choice for Freddy would be Doug Jones. That long, wiry frame... the amazing things he can do with body language... and picture that glove on those long creepy ass fingers.
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I dig the choice. And its completely unrelated but Sam Bayer's brother Josh Bayer is a fairly prolific underground comic artist.
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Making a "300" like epic about waring ancient Greek Gods. It's supposed to look like a painting. "The Fall" was good. I am surprised about it's lack of any nomination for Cinematography or Visual Effects or Costume Design.
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If anybody had half a brain they would have tried to get Tarsem Singh
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She has to be cute because that Plain Jane shit doesn't fly with the target audience for this remake.
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I agree Tarsem Singh would've been perfect. I wasl also secretly hoping that Zack Snyder would've done it.
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I'd love for Englund to return, but if that doesn't happen, Crispin is the next best thing.
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I'd love for Englund to return, but if that doesn't happen, Crispin is the next best thing.
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Do you not realize that most directors come from commercial background or music video background these days. You want to know why?!
Because they're actually ways to get your work noticed and for studios to pick you up. In other words, you're making commercials and music videos to get your foot in the door.
It's what Fincher did. I'm willing to bet most of those directors are artists who want to make feature films but they have to pay their dues to do so. Every director does. Sure there's that lucky chance like Spielberg that comes along, but seriously guys. Do the research and see how the business works and WHY there are commercial and music video directors. It isn't because that's their dream. -
... Cobain hated everything.
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Is difficult to work with isn't he? He'd only pull his same Back to the Future 2 bullshit when sequel time rolls around.
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Catapulted the band to the mainstream and is one of the defining (if not definitive) video of that era.
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Freddy was the child abuser. Jason was a victim of abuse. That could have done a really nasty turn looking into the true horror of child abuse through Freddy V Jason. but alas it never was.
This movie should focus on the horror of how sick Krueger REALLY is. Remember he is the bastard son of a "thousand maniacs" who raped a nun, his mother. So he has father issues, and hates kids who have decent parents. A lot to explore there me thinks. -
Okay, so I know it's been over 20 years, but in cinema time that's a shorter leap than any previous 20 years. A big difference compared to, say, Heston's Ben Hur remake.The old films still hold up--all that's changed is fashion and the level of precision in cinematography. The only special effects advance is CG, which is mostly useless in slasher movies.I don't see how this won't come across as just karaoke. Freddy's a much too recent and too-well-realized icon to just be "rebooted".
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im actually interested now. next get rid of old lame freddy and make a freddy thats a nightmare.
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It's sad but true. Movie studios and their corporate partners see one thing and one thing only: remakes make money. Maybe not always huge amounts, but they simply make money as regularly as a cash machine. How can anyone whose interests are solely financial do anything but keep coming back to the well again and again?And it's a vicious cycle. We can say "boycott these films, don't support it!" But just the number of people in this country who casually, uncritically go out to see new movies each week is enough to keep it going. Since so many of these awful remakes are being made, most people have little choice when going to see movies regularly but to see this junk.The studios are the only ones who can break this cycle, but what could possibly cause people to pass up easy money? And using cheap talent on both sides of the camera makes it an even better deal.They don't care about purists, don't care about canon, don't care about originality. They're in the business for money, and this is a ready supply of it. They will keep going relentlessly until there's nothing left to cannibalize. And by then, there will be the 90s to remake.It's depressing--remakes of well-done modern movies are insulting wastes of time. But what can be done?
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Feb 12, 2009 3:22:14 PM CST
When an 18 year old music video is still your calling card
by i am_notreal
It's time to get to work on something else. Not to mention the fact that the video (and Nirvana) weren't all that fucking great to begin with. Nirvana, you could say, was The Dark Knight of its day - both competent, occasionally excellent, but nowhere near as immortally, earth-shakingly great as they got puffed up to be my myopic fanbases.
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They are going to market this to teens and although there are some exciting ways they could go with this, they are going to dumb it down for the common audience. I'll always have my memories of the old ones, which will count to me, however bad and cheesy they were.
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Lots of good ideas here for ambitious, artistically challenging ways to update the concept or character. But we never see the cool ideas happen, because that's not why the films are being remade.They're being remade as safe investments, and you don't play it safe by taking a weird, obtuse new direction, by deepening things. You get your money back by pretty much just doing what they did the first time, because that's what worked the first time.If all these junk remakes were genuine cases of talented people getting together and asking, "how can we take this to a whole new artistic level?", it'd be different. But it's not.
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..that a NoES remake is destined for ass. But yes, if it must absolutely be made...Foster would be my choice for a young Freddy. This is supposed to be a pure remake and not a 'reboot' or a 'prequel' or a 'sequel' so methinks Foster should stay away as this has all the likelihood to be severe ass.
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That little midget has been dying to direct a feature for YEARS!!!! I find it hilarious that this is what he gets. He's nuts over what happened to Zack Snyder. Bayer thinks that should have been him. Only problem is, Snyder has some talent, Bayer has ZERO talent. Everything about the guy is stuck in the 90's.
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What about Bay's production company (or, for that matter Bay himself) would make anybody think they could make a good film.
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...I was talking about his visual style. It went from Faux Grunge to Faux Emo. I don't think he can bring anything worthwhile visually to an interesting take on Nightmare On Elm Street. On the other hand, if you you're looking for something similar to Nightmare 4 and 5, he can do a perfect job. Someone else just mentioned Tarsem. That would be a fine choice too. Both Tarsem and Bayer would have the same issue as anyone else looking to helm a Nightmare remake though, and that is the producers actively looking to make a shitty product. A lazy rehash with as little thought as possible to grab a few bucks. The best we can hope for is something akin to Nispels work on Chainsaw, and thats slick photography of hot people getting fucked up. I mean, at least you know its going to look professional. Carnotaur3, actually some of them seem to love making commercials and music videos, and don't think of it as a stepping stone. Directing commercials or music videos isn't a bad thing. Directing lousy looking ones like Bayer is. I mean, the TB is full of people asking why not Cunningham or Tarsem...Both video directors. ANd no, Cobain didn't hate everything, he was just vocal about shit art. Also, that video didn't catapult Nirvana to legendary status, that song did, and it dragged Bayer along with it.
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Whatever they do, please don't reprise Nancy and Tina or the rest of those characters. Learn from Rob Zombie's Halloween "don't be so creatively bankrupt that you have to recycle the same story and characters or character types. Don't tell the same fucking story or mashup some of the characters, kills or plot elements from the first 3 films. That shit might have worked for the Friday The 13th Remake.
It will not work here! Tell us something new, something we can't figure out something that has us constantly on the edge of our seats because we don't know the outcome. IF we have a Tina and Nancy we will know to some extent what will happen to them!
Don't use that stupid mundane "Bringing him out of my dream so I can kill him" plot.
No Nancy no Tina! Alice doesn't return in the Friday remake.. Tell Freddy's backstory- not as a campfire tale! Or a drunk Mothers recall with/without a flashback montage.
Let the films first 30 minutes deal with what he was doing to the kids, how he got caught, who it affected directly how the courts fucked the case up- seeing the case being dropped with him become a free man and then you show those who it affect personally taking revenge, setting him on fire and burying his remains in the towns junkyard.
Jump 18 to 25 years forward in the future when these teenagers that killed him would now be adults with teenage kids of their own.
Something brings him back.. Freddy Vs Jason- I hate to use that film as an example. Just mentioning him brought him back. Maybe on of these teens that was involved in the revenge murder of him didn't fully recover and they chased away their demons with a bottle- becoming the town drunk, and eventually the town bum.
The teens of those teens who are now adults pick on this bum one night, and he goes off on them about who their parents really are and what they did so many years ago.. They investigate and Freddy comes to them in their dreams.
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I have no problem with the concept of a re-imagining here. Jason got a 21st century update and so should Freddy. ANOES was actually a good film though so I sure hope they take it seriously.
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Why the hell do people keep picking him. He has the eyes and nose and small chin. His face is pretty close to englunds sorta, but his head, the sides of it are to fucking wide. He has a ballon head and he would look retarded in pizzaface makeup. Those cranial edges would stick out like a sore thumb. Go ahead and pick him and see If I'm talking out of my ass when the makeup artist sculpts out the makeup work over his lifecast. You'll be sorry. He'll have to wear the hat throughout the entire film.
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Interesting choice in advertisements.
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If you've seen five minutes of him in Prison Break you know he'd make a great Freddy!
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Feb 12, 2009 7:04:42 PM CST
Why not just make this Freddy X are whatever nuber they are on?
by series7
Seriously, fucking what next? A reboot of The Unborn?
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when that guy had the bad poos and he was singing that song in the outhouse? "Oooh, baby oooh bay-bah." Man he got his life killed so hard by Jason. Friday rules. NOES is for gays - pass it on.
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Feb 12, 2009 7:17:47 PM CST
Make Freddy more mature, like a total bum that abuses his kid
by crayotic
And cast JCVD in Englund's role while you're at it
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Takes Place At camp Crystal Lake (Check)
Easy On The Eyes Teenages (Check)
Suggested Low Class Drug and Booze Useage (Check)
Comic Relief Character(Check)
Sex and Nudity (Check)
Guy in Hockey Mask Lurking around mostly in the darkness, Killing these Teenagers in Creative Ways When They Break up into smaller groups(Check)
Tossing someone threw a window(Check)
Including a Character who warns one of the teens of the Danger and or Curse(check)
Friday was easy, even more so since the wrtiers pretty much took crib notes of the first 4 films and
recycled that data into one film.
Nightmare will not be as easy to update. And honestly no one wants the same characters beyond
something as good or better than the early era persona of Freddy. Reprising all those other characters such as Tina and Nancy is lazy as hell. The fatc that Friday just recycled the plots points of the first 4 films has me neverous as hell for Nightmare. -
Doesn't need to be done, but if it has to be... I vot Rockwell for Freddy.
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Might have the Freddy look in his adult face, but he died in 1998, IMDB doesnt even know that he died. I found out elsewhere on a memorial website. What the hell happened there? He was 26
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Don't pick anybody with even half a name to be the new Freddy. Seriously. If they do, every sequel after becomes too damn expensive and contract negotiations become that much more torturous. Pick an unknown - somebody more likely to be a celeb within the genre and nowhere else.
That's why Robert Englund works. He's a genre star. He'll never be the leading man in the next Spielberg movie, but he'll never want for recognition at the conventions. Because of that, he'll always be easy to sign. Pick a name and the series is just f***ed. They'll be rotating Freddy actors like it was Batman.
At the very least, choose a TV actor. Pick somebody that is great on the small screen, but may just never make it big on the silver screen. For my money, that'd be Smallville's Michael Rosenbaum (Lex Luthor). This guy's got the build, the facial structure, the stage presence, and the basic acting chops to pull off Freddy. He can pull off scary and intimidating as well as he can funny and bizarre. More importantly, he'll never be a big movie star and the paychecks will always be reasonable.
As far as the director goes, who knows? You just might be surprised. Renny Harlin's career was more or less launched by the NOES franchise with #4 - the last credible entry in the series & the one that tied up the story of Dream Warriors from #3. His resume before that? Super ultra mega meh. After? "Die Hard 2" A lot of clunkers after, but c'mon. Freakin' "Die Hard 2." =) This choice of directors may just surprise us.
I don't think that the experimental nature of the dreams necessarily killed the franchise. I don't even think that it was the humor. Sure. The dreams were over the top to the point of excess. Enough to kill the series? Not sure. Of course Freddy got too funny, to he point of self-parody at times. Enough to kill the series? Not sure.
What killed the series? Budget. NOES 1 cost $1.8M to make in 1984. That's $3.6M or so by 2009 standards. Y'know what? You can't afford fancy mind altering dream sequences with that $1.8M. You can't afford big actors. You've got to pick no names. You've got to rely on story to provide the scares. You've got to rely on the cover of night to hide your mistakes or cutbacks.
In short, you've got to make more with less. A lower budget will force you to stay on track and avoid all of that excess. Stupid campy humor in a horror movie wastes film. Film costs money. Big & wacky cartoon-like nightmare death traps aren't an option. The solution? Lots of blood. Lots of guts. Lots of scares that prey on the fears you can't avoid.
The real test here will be a writer that knows how to write. Craven isn't a spectacular writer, but he knew that the teens being hacked weren't disposable characters. They were people, even when they were lame or dorky. At least you could relate to them or knew somebody like them. So, when they got hacked you missed them. You even got pissed at Freddy instead of rooting for him. That's the strength in Craven's NOES and Scream work.
What the reboot needs here is somebody who knows how to make us love the characters so that we'll hate Freddy for killing them. Just like we hated him for whacking Nancy. The bastard. =)
The one thing this series needs to do in order to "get it right" is to NOT let us get to know Freddy as a person. Don't humanize him. Let him be that soulless & evil SOB who kidnapped and killed/raped (?) kids. Let him be that guy that got torched by the angry parents. Let him be an even more soulless and evil SOB who comes back in their kids dreams. Whatever they do... DON'T GET INTO FREDDY'S PAST. If we care about him, we won't care as much about his victims. We might even feel sorry for him, being a victim of circumstances - raped mom & abusive foster dad.
This reboot could "get it right" in the same way that 1,3,4, & 7 did. It could also massively fail in the same way that 2, 5, & 6 did. It could also straddle the border between respectful and downright parody that FvJ did.
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Let's not think for a second about choosing well known victims either. TV people or extreme nobodies FTW. NOES was good enough to launch Johnny Depp into super stardom. It was good enough to push Patricia Arquette or Laurence Fishburne into the spotlight. All of whom were unrecognizable names before NOES flicks. Nobodies that may just become somebodies. That's the ticket. Just so long as Freddy doesn't have the potential to pull a Hugh Jackman and become bigger than his role. (Although Jackman does still know where his bread is buttered.)
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The original (and especially the sequels) ruined a lot of the scares in favor of being silly and having increasingly over the top and ridiculous kills. If they focused on what makes Freddy scary and not turn him into a clown it could actually be worthwhile.
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Feb 12, 2009 9:26:19 PM CST
[Enter Button Fail] damn, Tarsem's "War of the Gods"
by vaudeville villain
sounds sweet as hell. oh, and this NOES remake will be ass regardless of who they cast as freddy. this movie is needed about as much as a bald, scarred, see-through mask wearing cobra commander... or a bummy, kid-beating JCVD.
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if it is to a point that the sequels suck cock. Halloween, texas chain saw and friday the 13th may have not been has good as the originals, but they blow the sequels outta the fuckin water (later sequels at least) I have been raped by me horror sequels so long, a reboot is sometimes the only answer.I want more freddy stories, and if this is the only way then so be it. Just leave Evil Dead the fuck alone....
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imagine it. That and ghostbusters 3. Beleave people.
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There's nothing wrong with a little humor here & there. There have been instances in NOES & FvJ where Freddy's humor wasn't downright embarrassing, but actually somewhat disturbing.
The problem with making Freddy crack wise is when they do shit like have him play with a Nintendo Power Glove, give up a stoner stare, and say stuff like, "Whoah. Great graphics." Now, that's not funny. That's just stupid.
Anything Freddy says, serious or jokingly, should be just as terrifying and horrific as anything he does. It may not be a joke to those of use with actual souls, but hey... humor is humor.
Actually, I think that the funniest scene in any top tier horror flick has got to be watching Jason beating to death one camper in a sleeping bag with another in a sleeping bag. Sick, twisted, and hilarious.
If Freddy's funny it should be in such a way that you laugh mainly at stuff or situations that society says that you're not really supposed to. "I can't believe he said that." "I can't believe he did that." "Jeez. He's so sick to find that funny. Twisted bastard. I love him."
Horror movie funny should never be the same as regular movie funny. Not even the same as black comedy funny. Totally different sorta funny. Almost taboo even. -
Michael Meyers dressed as a ghost with glasses in the very 1st Halloween movie.
- It's funny because it doesn't have to do anything more than just BE.
- It's funny because you know that it's just a prelude to his next murder.
- It's funny because thinking about Michael's logic actually makes it even funnier. He's dressed up as a ghost... with glasses.... while wearing another mask under. Very absurd. I still laugh whenever I see it, even though that chick gets strangled 30 seconds later. LOL -
Why not use Kurt's bones as freddy's burnt remains, that would be fuggin awesome...
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Bill Sage ftw. You don't even need an opening credits flashback then, you can just rent Mysterious Skin for the backstory.
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Or Marcus Nispel. I can't wait for more bland grunge horror.
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If the shooting schedule doesn't interfere with the Herzog film, that is...
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The film opens up a rusted old brown ford pickup truck coming up behind a kid on his bike tossing newspapers. Flash Cut to the bike left laying on the ground with the newspapers scattered all over the street. Deep in a dimly lit basement- the naked child cries for help. We see the razor sharp knife claws emerging from the darkness, we hear the boys screams mixed with the dirty old mans laughter as we pan away from the horror trough the basements tiny window. A woman answers her front door. The police are standing outside. It's raining out. The officer places his hand on the woman shoulder, her eye fill with tears and she collapses to the floor. Cut to red and blue flashes. The police surround the crime scene, keeping the press and people away. Behind the police tape a half naked burnt and dismembered body lays across some rocks near the towns local creek. Cut to camera flash. A man in a Dirty Fedora leaves a local bar. he is he fumbles with his keys as he enters the brown truck, he takes off. He runs a red light. The police pull him over. He refuses the sobriety test, They inspect his truck with flashlights. There under the drivers seat is a black trash bag. They open it up. Inside is blood stained child sized clothing. We see Krueger getting process at the police station, his grimy calloused fingers are pressed into the inkpad and then onto paper. His profile photos are taken. He is absolutely emotionless. We see him being interviewed, We cut to Springfield Memorials graveyard. The mother and her teenaged son with some of his friends, look on as her young sons body is lowered into the ground. A laywer comes into Freddy's cell, he makes motions with his hand he pushes a paper over to Freddys leg. Freddy smiles. We cut to the trial. Freddy is brought in. His hands and legs are in cuffs. He sits down.. The lawyer comes up to the bench. He tells the judge that the bag was under the seat and not in plain view, that his client did not give consent for the officers to look in his truck. The judge has choice but to dismiss the case. The victim's mother screams at the Judge and Krueger. She races toward Freddy. Her son pulls her back. Kruegers uncuffed. He heads out of the court room. She spits in his face. Wipes the spit off his face and licks it off his fingers. He pushed out by the police. The press race up to him and his lawyer as they exit the courthouse. He gets into a car with his lawyer and they take off. We cut to the son holding/hugging his mother in the courtroom. She's hysterical, crying and screaming. Her sons eyes are eyes filled with rage. Cut to nighttime... Several cars pull up to Lover's Lookout- which overlooks all of Springfield. The Son exits his car with his girl. His friends and him stand in front of his cars headlights. They are talking about revenge. He makes strong movements with his hands as they shake there heads. Krueger is fast asleep in his hotel room. A Christain station plays on the TV. The door is kicked in. A group of teens wearing sheets on they're heads race into the room. Before Freddy can respond he's hit in the face with an aluminum bat. They tie Freddy up and toss him into the trunk of one of the teens cars. The two groups of cars drive to the towns local junkyard. A holes already dug in the ground. The trunks popped open. Freddy's pulled out. The Son tears the tape off of Freddys mouth. Son: ":Say something!!!!"
Freddy smiles. The son kicks him in the face. They douse him in gasoline. Son: "Say something you peace of shit!!!!!" Freddy: "1, 2, Freddy coming for you, 3, 4 better lock your"
A lit match is dropped onto Freddys head. He's set ablaze almost instantly. Freddy screams out in pain. We pan across the eyes of the teenagers watching him burn!!!! Cut to 20 years later
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...its a good indication of where they are taking the film. If you had hired Tarsem or Romanek you would be getting an aesthetically stunning production, if you had Jonze or Gondry you would be getting a visually inventive film (I know, none of those directors would touch this flick with Michael Bays dick, but just as an example), but you are getting Bayer. A specialist in taking mall rat emo/goth imagery and giving it a commercial shine. So we know we are looking at yet another lazy and shallow stab at the material from these guys. I.E. Horny generic TV teenagers getting cut up in dream sequances that will rely heavily on goofy elaborate fantasy death sequences that look like music videos. Much like Nightmare 4 and 5. But it will hopefully tweak the interest of emo merchandise buying tweens the world over. I just hope they cast any suicide girls in it or get My Chemical Romance on the soundtrack. Even Bayers best video (Jesus Of Suburbia) is a lame attempt at co-opting a subculture and giving it a pretty polish. Maybe he can get Kelli Garner in it though. Shes fucking hot.
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Remakes were getting out of hand 5 FUCKING years ago. Now it's just hilarious, like we're living in a world of satire.
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Gayer.
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I thought someone was going to point this out sooner or later.
Who else is left from the 90's MTV music video directors who need to make the jump to movies? Kevin Kerslake? How about CHRIS CUNNINGHAM!!!
GO SAMUEL BAYER. About TIME! -
i bet he wont be a child abuser or torched by an angry mob.
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I like watching the puddles gather raiiiiiiiin
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Fuck it. They just reshoot movies now and make sure the action/horror pieces have more slow motion and flipping in them. Why not just re-release the fucking things and reshoot a few minutes worth of footage and change the names on the poster. Its getting to that point.
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At least before Iron Man 2 comes out, that way I can get a fresh and updated perspective on the character before the sequel comes out to that archaic flick.
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It's 2009! Where the fuck is an edit function! You should re-imagine the talkbalks.
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Even tho NoES is probably my favorite slasher of all time, the ending could've been better... The movie kinda peaks with Johnny Depp getting eaten by his own bed... After that, the whole sequence of Nancy fighting Freddy with booby traps she placed in the house is kind of goofy... I do like the part of killing Freddy by ignoring him but everything else is kind of weak... The ending being a dream and Freddy grabbing Nancy's mom was done well but still kind of stupid in retrospect... The main reason its acceptable is because in NoES anything is possible because you dont know what's a dream and what's real (probably the main reason why I love the original so much)...
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or don't bother making this movie at all.
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EW.com reports that Lindsay Lohan has been cast in the lead.
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I know this guy doesn't have a whole hell of a lot of work behind the camera but if he can shoot a video with like a grey, gritty, grungy undertown in the 90's with a shitty camera, I think he could do a lot better in 09. We could always call in Zombie? I really don't know who else I would see directing it.
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