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Christopher Nolan's Next Film Is...
Beaks here...
What do you do immediately after you direct and co-write the second-highest grossing movie of all time? Whatever the fuck you want to do. That's what.
For Christopher Nolan, it's INCEPTION. Based on his own original screenplay, it's described rather vaguely as "a contemporary sci-fi actioner set within the architecture of the mind." The most interesting part of that logline is "contemporary". This isn't some far-off, speculative sci-fi noodling; it is, I presume, meant to be somewhat plausible. As for that "architecture of the mind" jazz, speculate away. Maybe he's remaking BRAINSTORM.
Now for the big question: when do we get the next Batman movie? Do we get the next Batman movie? Given that Warner Bros. is footing the bill for INCEPTION (tentatively scheduled to begin shooting this summer for a summer 2010 release), I'm very certain it's in the offing. Right now, they're probably pressing pretty hard for summer 2011. That, however, would put Nolan right back in the director's chair once he's completed INCEPTION. Obviously, this is possible, but it's also at odds with Nolan's deliberate nature. He's exacting. For the most part, he wants all of the narrative elements to be in place before he starts shooting. So unless a plot suddenly crystallizes for him (and Jonathan and Goyer), I'm thinking summer 2012 is most likely. We'll see.
For now, I'm just happy that we're getting a completely original film from Nolan. It will be his first since FOLLOWING (MEMENTO was based on a short story by Jonathan).
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could be interesting
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not the end of the world. But yeah, makes sense to keep these guys sweet and have them on board for the next instalment...next.. green lantern!
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So long as it's still on the cards, I'm good. Wonder if Bale or Caine will be cast?
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but I'm also very interested in anything else Nolan does, so I'm game
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This means that he can step away from the project, assess his ideas, and then come back and blow us out of the water with a TDK sequel. I whole-heartedly trust Chris Nolan. The guy knows how to make a good Batman movie.
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I meant I wondered if Bale or Caine would be cast in this new film, not in a TDK sequel. Nolan, quite rightly IMO, enjoys working with those superb actors.
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and i'd be there. love this guy!
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http://tinyurl.com/b3gkmc
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So I'm looking forward to this.
Too bad the movie was foiled by a really badly hidden plot twist that admittedly was really hard to pull off in a visual medium. -
I think one of the problems with sequels these days is that the creative teams get too trapped in those worlds, the films become insular and smaller, just bigger budget movies with less to say about the story's and characters. Give everyone some time and freedom to come back when they're ready to tell a story, rather than just making a movie for the sake of making it (Spidey 3, X3...).
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Keep giving him money, especially if the words sci-fi are in the description.
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But I'm into this. Let the guy make as many other movies as he wants. If he works with just one character/franchise he might become too close to it and less critical. I hope he does one or two films. Never rush anything.
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in the third one? I sure hope so
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...is so adverse to exploring the sci-fi and mystical aspects of the Batman world when this film had something that crossed into both of those realms. It was handled in a way that didn't stretch and hinder the plausibility or tone of the 'realistic' drama and setting at the center of the film....
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...I was really excited for that Prisoner movie. Maybe there finally would've been a good tv-to-film adaptation.
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I think this is the first time that all the TB'ers have NOT been negative. Everyone seems to love Chris Nolan. I feel like someone is going to eventually drop in here just to shit on the man.
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I thought Insomnia was a bit of a miss.... Then again I don't remember much of it which indicates it wasn't that good or I should rewatch it.
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Return of the King is still number 2.
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... and cue Media Messiah!
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Feb 11, 2009 7:26:00 PM CST
As long as Batman 3 doesn't go the road of Spider-Man 3.
by kevin holsinger
Mr. Nolan, if someone comes to you trying to push Batman's "Venom" into the movie, and you don't want to include that character, DON'T.
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Son of a bitch! You mean somebody actually greenlit something that's not a prequeal, sequal, reboot, relaunch, reimaging, or based on a funny strip?
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It's great to hear that Nolan has a definite project lined up. He's clearly the director everybody has their eye on right now. Too bad he didn't get nominated for an Oscar for his exceptional work on THE DARK KNIGHT.
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Original! ore-ij--n-nahl..say it over and voer again...not a remake sequal prequal prequal to a sequal sequal to a prequal reimagining or adaptation!!! ORIGINAL!! I'm more excited for this now than Batman 3
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because the realism aspect of batman is cooler than the sci fi aspect. Or would you have preffered the godlike Grant Morrison batman. Maybe Nolan just does whatever works best for the film.
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the Debbie Downer of AICN?
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I mean TDK is enough to tide us over for a while. Plus I was pissed after Begins was released and he wanted to do some crap about magicians (which turned out to be excellent in it's own right) instead of straight into part two, but the guy made us wait and took his time working on it, and delivered what I believe is one of the best movies of the past ten years and in my opinion the best comic book adaptation (and I emphasize ADAPTATION not TRANSLATION)ever. So Nolans proven to me before that his methods are sound, and Im happy to wait for him to work on a new Bat flick. I mean all the guys work is at least interesting, and always original, so its just good news to hear that he's back at work.Okay thats my two cents, you may commence hating on the people who love them some Nolan.
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starring Bobbi Starr and Daniel Day-Lewis. Day Lewis spends 6 months preparing by fucking everything he sees. yes that funny or die video was funny.
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I just want some variety is all... The realism aspect works just well for Batman when you juxtaposition it with the extraordinary.
Also Grant Morrison didnt really invent Bat-God, hes been like that for a while.
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I dont know where you are getting your facts, but BEGINS is considered one of the best commericial and financial reboots of all time.. Nolan did not skew the origin story and DVD sales were through the fucking roof... BEGINS also saw an 84% Fresh Tomatometer Rating, and he beat that with TDK at 94%. To say that WB is insane for handing over BATMAN is ridiculous, considering they handed it over to Schumacher who gave us BatNipples...Nolan is an innovator and I think WB saw something in his work in FOLLOWING, [the great] MEMENTO, and INSOMNIA. The man knows how to make a great action psychological thriller
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Well maybe not knew...but if you have that much power in Hollywood, why make a courtroom drama?
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is his best film to date.. and I've loved everything he's done. The Prestige was based on a book, but they took a lot of liberties with it. Appropriately so. So whether original or adapted, he have a great way of molding material into a truly unique experience.. cool.
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I was talking about Insomnia... the movie he did right before Batman Begins...
"I thought Insomnia was a bit of a miss.... Then again I don't remember much of it which indicates it wasn't that good or I should rewatch it.
In retrospect its pretty fucking insane to see that WB would give Batman over to him after that since it was his first 'studio' movie and it barely made a dent financially or critically..."
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a failure. Coming off of TDK he's probably fully of psychological baggage. Overly high self-expectations coupled with huge spikes of mega confidence and a desire to do something totally different. It could fall flat on him. Even if it does, that might actually be good for the next Batman by getting all that stuff out of his system. I'm beginning to think that Bryan Singer was destined to direct a bad movie after X-2 and it was all the more unfortunate that both X-Men and Superman had to suffer.
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Save for Insomnia, which wasn't BAD but wasn't exactly great either, especially after Memento. Even if you didn't like TDK there's no denying how well-made it was (most problems from that flick stem from the script).
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His performances in Prestige and Fountain were his best IMO.
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He slapped together that little film not much earlier than when he put together Dark Knight. Plus, at the Q&A's he's done in the past he's made it very clear his understanding of how a story works. So I'm looking forward to whatever he makes no matter what the genre.
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i'm just scared it'll turn out to be one of those "personal projects." you know the ones, where the director's wanted to do it since they were in film school, and the idea really hasn't gotten any better since then? and then they make more money than god and the studio hands them a blank check for said madness? yeah, one of those. hopefully not though, the guy is consistent as clockwork, and hopefully he goes low-budget and simple with this one(mitigating budget issues that could fuck him over on TDK sequel should this fail).
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and he definitely needs to pull a Prestige and grab as many Batman actors as he can, so as to prevent any of the fuck-heads at WB from trying to jump the gun on him with the next movie. plus it would be nice to see Oldman do something other than Gordon(which he hates doing) and utter shit(The Unborn).
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I think its good filmmakers take time between tentpoles to get whatever they need to out of their systems. If Raimi had made DRAG ME TO HELL between SPIDEY 2 & 3 I'm sure we'd have had a much stronger film. Guillermo has it right, 1 studio, 1 personal project, and since WB is footing bill I'm sure they're keeping him and his cast busy and locked to go into BATMAN 3. Can't wait for this, can't wait for whatever Nolan has in store after, and money on it that Bale, Caine and possibly Oldman are all in INCEPTION's cast to boot.
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I'd rather have Prestige 2 than Batman 3. You know what I mean. TDK was good and all, entertaining but flawed (handling of two-face was a bold attempt but ultimately a failure).
The Prestige was perfect. Genius.
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I remember reading an interview where Oldman said he liked playing Gordon since it was the first big role he had in a while that let him play outside his "Scary Gary" typecast. Not doubting you or anything... but I always imagined that he would have like it for that reason. Then again I remember another interview where he said something along the lines of Gordon being a semi-retirement role for him that didn't involve too much heavy lifting.
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Sure they could say he's in Arham, but the fans are only going to buy the whole Joker being "locked away forever" thing for so long before they demand a jailbreak or something that brings the Joker back to the streets. I worry about who would play the obviously now-vacant role. As for villains in Batman 3, I guess the Penguin or the Riddler would make sense, but lets just hope the actor that plays him also doesn't keel over and die after production...
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If you're not USA o'centric.
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Nolan's a great director, but he's an AMAZING screenwriter. An original story from him (not based on existing characters) is instantly gonna be my most anticipated. It being sci-fi just ups the anticipation factor.
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Forgot how good it was. I don't think Nolan's made anything I haven't liked...
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is supposedly clever but is actually downright stupid. i hated hated it. you have one scene midway through that completely ruin the surprise twist. and to someone who pays attention to how magic tricks are usually done, it's not much of a surprise either.
and then there's the convinience of finding a look-a-like in the same town you're in; the unnecesarry inclusion of the 'machine'. what the fuck that for??? you can do it with the double and still fool the audience, so why use the machine at all? memento and insomnia i have no problem with. but prestige is just retarded.
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it's Nolan's first film I think, and one of his best. Nolan's really good with the mind fucks.
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it's Nolan's first film I think, and one of his best. Nolan's really good with the mind fucks.
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Like someone said above- PRESTIGE helped make DARK KNIGHT better. Nolan is working on a pretty high level as a filmmaker. If it's all Batman all of the time, he'll get stale. Mixing it up will give him a larger set of tools with which to work.
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nolan's not one to leave thread hanging. if he even bother to catch scarecrow in tdk, then bet is good joker will not be completely ignored in part 3. kyle reese is another loose thread he has to follow up on. i said it has the making of a silence of the lamb type/manhunter type film, with joker playing everyone from the inside. of course, joker is to be played this time by... wait for it... wait for it... joaquin phoenix. someone please rescue him from his rap career.
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Yeah, it's kind of stupid to try and make big sweeping trends, but sometimes it does seem like certain directors made underwhelming (if not bad) efforts after very successful films. King Kong, Superman Returns, Spiderman 3, Southland Tales, A Very Long engagement, I'm A Cyborg And That's Ok. It's not like there's a strict rule of the Universe, but anyone could tell you that success has mixed blessings.
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This is sooo lame. He needs to get right back on the horse and make Batman 3, and make sure to put in a sweet dancing scene! Also Batman is dead anyways, right?
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and I expect INCEPTION to be as good, if not better. Didn't like INSOMNIA though.
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Shiit ill be old. and bale will be even older. and caine will be in pampers, fuck.
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I love The Prestige. The ONLY bad thing about it is how the re-teaming of Bale and Caine just makes me think of Batman, but that's such a minor thing. Both Bale and Jackman gave top performances, maybe their best ever in The Prestige. The most important thing is that it made you THINK and still would if you watched it again and again. I'm sick of movies that have no heart or thought. Roll on Inception!
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What's obvious is that the story is over your head. I've heard others say that and they are the dumbest fuckers I've ever met.
I think it is by far Nolan's best film. What's the chance of finding a look a like in the same town? Gee, who the fuck knows, probably a better chance then finding a dude dressing up as a bat flying between buildings.
It's the first film that actually puts Tesla in the proper light. That alone needs to be given credit for.
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i think nolan realizes this trend as well. hence he's backing off the high stake franchise for now and doing another film is a very very wise decision. it can only do batman 3 good. ditto with cameron doing 2 documentaries before returning to film after his last massive ego boosting titanic.
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is no memento. it's not even the usual suspects or eternal state of spotless sunshine. it's a twisty that pretend to be clever about its twists but when in fact they are not well hidden. the movie SHOWS you how bale does his trick waaay before it's supposed reveal at the end. nolan dropped way too many clues, and unless you're moron, it's easy to add those up. and what's so shocking about the final image when it's been pre-told with the hats and cats in tesla's lair?
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He did The Prestige after Batman Begins; and the different project in between did a world of good.
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Talia Al-Ghul comes to town (replaces rachel as the love interest) looking for Batman, wanting to exact revenge. Hires a high on himself, supremely intelligent, problem solver, the riddler to figure out his identity. you'd have gordon stuffing up attempts made by the police to apprehend Batman. The riddler could be engineering, with the aid of a third party, crimes for batman to respond to. using the penguin or someone. so batman saves the day, clears his name, bests the riddler one-on-one. and blah blah blah.
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Feb 11, 2009 10:13:55 PM CST
flowers for algernon is a good contemporary sci fi flick/book
by ironic_name
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It's good that he is taking breaks in between Bat-films to do other projects. It keeps him refreshed so that when he comes back to Batman, he is energized about it, not loathing it. I'm actually just as interested in seeing his other films. Can't wait to see what he does with The Prisoner.
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Actually, Nolan's Insomnia is excellent. And yes, I've seen Erik Skjoldbjærg original Norwegian film. The original film is more of a character study. Nolan's update really tightens up the plot and gives the film a stronger narrative drive. Plus, it has excellent performances from both Pacino and, surprisingly, Robin Williams. I didn't care for Memento (I think the film is too gimmicky with the reverse story telling...it wouldn't have been nearly as interesting without that conceit), so Insomnia was the film that made me really take notice of Nolan. BB cemented my following, and Prestige validated it.
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wtf?? i meant of course, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. now THAT is a one true twisty film.
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The Prestige was good, Memento was superb and he's also knocked out a couple of superhero films as well. Go Chris!
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Oh, and also, you're wrong about Insomnia. Insomnia grossed 67 mil domestic, and 114 worldwide. It also garnered a 92% fresh rating from 167 reviews listed on RottenTomatoes. It was the 23rd highest reviewed movie of the year. As far as mainstream films go, the only films that were reviewed as well, or better, than Insomnia were Minority Report (also 92%), The Pianist (95%), Bowling for Columbine, Catch Me If You Can, The Two Towers (all 96%), and Spirited Away (97%). So yes, the film made a lot of money, and yes, the critics DID take notice.
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Feb 11, 2009 11:33:49 PM CST
So this is what it takes to get an original script green-lit?
by m_reporter
So all we need to do is make the most successful movie of the decade! How hard can that be?! Jokes aside, I'm really glad Nolan is doing this film after TDK, it almost sounds like something Phillip K. Dick wrote.
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I stand corrected. I guess I better throw it back on my netflix queue. That's the only Nolan movie I haven't bought actually, might as well just throw that in there too...
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Lets get beyond my vague fears of "architecture of the mind" referring to that id vs ego gibberish that seems to be in vogue and get to a more disheartening reality. Look at what the most recent makers of the SUPER HUGE blockbuster, lets take-the-fleets-of-dumptrucks-and-start-pouring-out-the-cash, movie have done recently Peter Jackson follows up LOTR with .. King Kong. Most expensive all foreplay-no action bestiality movie in history. Ewww... Sam Raimi - The Spider Man franchise - entertaining at first, progressively more dismal Doug Liman - Bourne was a surprising hit, followed up by the more financially successful but inferior Mr and Mrs Smith, Jumper was simply an atrocity Mel Gibson - Passion of the Christ - nuff said. Wachowski Brothers - cheers for The Matrix, jeers for everything since James Cameron - Titanic - Jim, its been over a fucking decade and now you spend a quarter of a BILLION dollars in this economy? Whatever. Yes, its a partial list (Friedkin and Cimino and Bregman also immediately pop to mind) and there are exceptions (Coppola followed Godfather with Conversation and Apocalypse now, Spielberg) but the point is that kind of extreme wealth and power seems to have a corrosive effect on even the most talented filmmakers. Hopefully Nolan has his feet planted on firm ground. Can only hope.
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Let that man make any film he wants forever. He's got that shit down to a science. I've liked every single one of his films thus far.
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Memento 94%, Insomnia 92%, Batman Begins 84%, The Prestige 75%, TDK 94%, Following 81%.
Pretty awesome track record.
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Really.
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everytime he made a successful blockbuster, he only followed it up with another successful blockbuster. success has never interfered with quality of his films. and what's avatar got to do with today's economy?? shooting began way before the economy turned to shit. what do you want him to do now? start cutting up cardboard boxes to use for the sfx for the rest of the film???
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Let's face it, the film made too much money. He would only be scutinized if the third film doesn't meet the Dark Knight's estimates. Look for more material beyond Batman in the future I think.
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There are other DC superheroes?
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When first released they were seen as the second coming, "Burton who?" Yet with the passing of time they're revealed to be joyless, bland, unremarkable generics without any personal style from the filmmaker even if they capture some of the literal elements of the comics better, they still suck beacuse there's none of that wonderful weird singularity of the director's vision and stamp. Nolan Batmans: TV Shining series. Burton Batmans: Kubrick's Shining.
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As years go by, I think both will be appreciated and criticized for different reasons. Nolan's Batmans: well down but in the end inconsequential entertainment disguised as meaningful; Burton's Batmans: visually brilliant expressionism attempting to conceal plotless meandering and characters that are nothing like their comic book counterparts.
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I am not saying some of Nolan's movies haven't been great (Memento I think will go down as a truly great movie) but for someone who seems to be the most competent and all around talented of the current generation of filmmakers, I would love for him to try something truly challenging.
I mean, in the 70's guys like Scorsese, Coppola, Friedkin, and the rest were constantly trying to one up each other, not with special effects or stunts but with moving cinema to a more powerful place. I would love for him to try and make his Last Picture Show, Apocalypse Now, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, French Connection, The Deer Hunter, McCabe and Mrs. Miller, Dog Day Afternoon, Chinatown, or A Clockwork Orange. Something that will make everyone talk about and ponder over for years to come (and not just the fanboys wondering about the Joker's real origin). -
And "The Dark Knight" is probably his greatest, and most successful accomplishment. I hope that he'll do another Batman film, but I love the fact that he's attempting to tackle the sci-fi genre............again? And it's an original story by him, so that's a plus in my book. :)
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Please put the Penguin in it. I won't go into why I think he should be used, I have beaten that horse dead in past talkbacks, but the Penguin deserves a long over do makeover (or more appropriately, a return to his more sinister roots).
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Dont get me wrong I LOVE (like all of the world) The Dark Knight and what Chris has done with the franchise, but this makes me as happy as if the new batman film was announced...Nolan doing a modern SciFi tale that he created...can it get any better? I really dont think so...except maybe QTs Basterds.
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Nolan just retooled a script that is floating around called SELFWARE. Why pay the originator of ideas when you can just rewrite with contracted flavor of the minute. Nolan is a third of the director Wes, PT, or even Solodnz are. Memento was aces, Batmans were excellent, but Following-really? or that piece of shit Insomnia. I gotta say, Prestige is masterful but I think he is really just a style guy. The star-wipe is soon to come.
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Well met fellow Professional!
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Contemporary? Architecture of the mind? Action sci-fi?
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2012 is soon enough for a new Batman film
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You are THE PROFESSIONAL!
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Sorry It had alot of great stuff in it but it was far far far from perfect...
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Feb 12, 2009 4:48:25 AM CST
Getting someone to make a proper "Batman" film would be a good m
by jackpumpkinhead
Nothing will match Burton's Batman, obviously, but get someone who could make a decent movie rather than a laughably gloomy and dull "grim and gritty" 15-year old's "vision".
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What happens if you die but you keep the brain alive before it can die as well?? Do your dreams being the only sensory inpout you have left become your reality??? That's my best guess. We sorta saw this though it was called Vinilla Sky...
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What happens if you die but you keep the brain alive before it can die as well?? Do your dreams being the only sensory inpout you have left become your reality??? That's my best guess. We sorta saw this though it was called Vinilla Sky...
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Feb 12, 2009 5:02:00 AM CST
Unfortunately the ending to the Prestige is still unjustifiable
by industrykiller!
Electric cloning breaks every rule the film had set up in the previous three quarters of the and is a MASSIVE cop out of an ending. And no, foreshadowing with a shot of multiple fucking hats lying on the ground (if you can even call it foreshadowing) does not count as an introduction of space age technology. ANd thats not even to mention the insanely coincidental ruse that LED Jackman to the one place on Earth where people can be cloned via electricity......ugh it hurts my head to even think about it. Such a shame, the filmmaking and acting were excellent to that point.
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Its the kooky high tech imposinble devices that fuck them up a bit. Batsonar, Microwave Water Crazy Serum Gun, That Other Me Making machine- and really is the other me really the other me or is it the original guy. Who falls into the water tank indeed. Who shot who. Nolan slipped out of that Shawshank shitpipe under the cover off John Carpenter's "Don't explain it, just put it out there and let them decide how it works or why it is." Buy boy oh boy can th eman write characters. See this is what I'm fearing with Tron 2. That disney will make the high tech real world shit look implausible. Like the hacker PC crap in die hard 4.
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Its the kooky high tech imposible devices that fuck them up a bit. Batsonar, Microwave Water Crazy Serum Gun, That Other Me Making machine- and really is the Other Me, really the Other Me or is it the original Me. Who falls into the water tank, indeed. Who shot who. Nolan slipped out of that Shawshank shitpipe under the cover of John Carpenter's "Don't explain it, just put it out there and let them decide how it works or why it is." But boy oh boy can the man write interesting characters. See this is what I'm fearing with Tron 2. That disney will make the high tech real world shit look implausible. Like the hacker PC crap in die hard 4.
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Feb 12, 2009 5:11:13 AM CST
The fan wank bullshit stories you guys want for comic sequels...
by industrykiller!
Would be funny if it werent so incredibly fucking stupid. Here we have a brilliant film like The Dark Knight to leap off of and people are advocating ridiculous shit like Talia Al Ghul and Coleman Reese as the Riddler??? Jesus are fanboys insufferable.
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Impossible Devices! Batman cape and it's gliding ability- acceptable. His armor- acceptable. His ride- acceptable, Most of the other out of this world technology devices in those films and even the prestige. Fuck off!
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Robin wants to be what Batman couldn't and he is also out to kill the batman. When he finds out Gordons hunt for batman is a big sham. He goes after the civil justice system officail as well and he crosses the line. He's bad in a way that he doesnt think he's bad.
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that's what Del Toro was doing, Nolan is great to do that. I wish Cuaron had alternated his own films with Harry Potter Films. And I wish Jackson had been able to make Lord of the Rings that way. With hindsight, there is SO much love and soul in the first one, but the other two get much more like standard, rather boring blockbusters.
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By not making Batman 3, they avoid having BigBad-of-Increasing-Ridiculousness Syndrome. It afflicted Spider-man and the original Batman series. The problem is that the second film was so perfect that the next movie can only skew all the elements out of proportion. They'll try to repeat the good things about TDK, but they'll either feel like rehashing or self-parody.
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on first viewing in the cinema?
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But Chris Bale can definately act crazier than DiNofrio.
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The theme of escalation continues. I demand it!
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By far Nolan's best work.
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Nolan's a nice guy, but they're done.
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That movie became so absurd by the end that it was embarrassing. We start with the ace concept of a couple of turn-of-the-twentieth-century illusionists trying to one-up each other, and end up with a totally-saw-it-coming-Christian-Bale-identical-twin-reveal and a fucking Nikola Tesla cloning machine?
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"It's the first film that actually puts Tesla in the proper light." Are you INSANE??? When the hell did Nikola Tesla invent a machine that clones things??? What books have you been reading about the man???
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It should have been that drunk look-alike to be killed, and the audience should have been led to believe the cloning machine worked, until we are presented that it was indeed a trick. Also, Bale was OBVIOUSLY doing double role, it was very annoying to know the plot twist right at the beggining.
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Motherfucking snoozefest, yo. At least The Prestige was fun...
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You need the shit spelled out? Everybody on this planet knows I am not referring to Tesla inventing a cloning machine.
I mean that there was this ingenious inventor around that time that amazed people. That holds the record for the largest man made lightning bolt. Invented radio, AC, fluorescent lighting, X-rays..his Colorado experiment..etc.
The Prestige showed the clash with asshole Edison. The only thing that I didn't like about Tesla in this was his age. He should of been about the same age as Bolan and Angier for that time.
Take Back to the Future. Dr. Brown's has no sign of Tesla. Edison and Einstein. That's retarded not to acknowledge Tesla in a movie like that.
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For the love of God keep him away from this franchise. He has already reduced it to an utter snorefest in Batman Begins, before finally steamrolling the whole thing into the car-crash that was TDK. What further damage is he going to inflict? Will the third Batman movie be 100% CGI? Wouldn't be surprised, given what Nolan's done already.
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that way all movies are good movies! back to the future?? for pete's sake. just because prestige shows tesla doesnt make it smart movie. it's dumb! and what's even dumber is nolan showing each reveal and twist like it's the smartest thing ever, when in fact he had spoiled them forthe audience with too much foreshadowing. he's committed one of the worst sin of screenwriting - guard your secrets. i hate it when a movie act smart when it's really just the opposite.
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TOTALLY agree on the Tesla mythology. What a superb idea for a movie. Maybe Nolan can have a Prestige spin-off? For those that don't know, please wiki Tesla and see what this guy did for the world. Also, imagine what a world we'd be living in if it wasn't for that asshole Edison screwing Tesla over. Edison just couldn't get over the fact that Tesla was smarter.What a world, indeed...
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Just so it's not totally a TB hijack, I would watch anything by Nolan at this point. Not because of Batman, but because of all of the rest of his movies.
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nolan's batman and insomnia are a bore, do yourself a favor next time and stick to watching bay movies. at least there's an explosion every 5 seconds to keep you awake there.
tdk is a "15 years old vision" but burton's batman is good? yeah, right... that's why hollywood hate you geeks. you guys talk like you know everything and have high standard when in reality you know jackshit and keep putting hack talents like bay in business. -
Someone said earlier in this Tb that LOTR:ROTK was number two, but it is in fact #10, unless they were referring to another country, and if they were my bad. Oh yea...FUCK AVATAR
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Ah, sweet! Christopher Nolan is making some twisted, action-oriented science fiction. I couldn't have asked for anything better.
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That ends with both fist fighting on top of a moving train.
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Am i the only one who DOESNT want another Batman. There is just no way it will be as good as we all want it to be.
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by a retarded one by you. I never said that The Prestige was smart because it had Tesla in it. I'm comparing a movie that should of acknowledged Tesla but didn't like BTTF to one that did. It was nice to see someone showcase a true inventor and not a fuck head like Edison. Edison didn't invent the light bulb, the specs were already drawn up from someone else. He just built it. Edison was good at fucking things over like the animals he electrocuted in a public display with AC to show how dangerous Tesla's design was.
This is proof why you didn't like The Prestige. You can't even understand a simple post. You read it, try and grasp it only to comment on something you think was said but wasn't.
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and i thought i was alone in my distaste for insomnia.
the characters bored me to tears. they simply weren't people i'd be interested in knowing... let alone viewing. -
The Prestige, the Batman films... I thought they had some great scenes, but weren't as personal or affecting as his first two big films. The problem is you get a director with a lot of promise (Nolan, Raimi), then you lock them into a series where they can't go off exploring their unique ideas. It's like if Dune had been a huge, fucking success, and Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive never happened. We need more movies like Memento, at the expense of movies like The Dark Knight. Memento was a trip. TDK, although it certainly had its moments, was just a big movie with a lot of green money thrown at it.
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'tesla is not in back to the future??? wow that movie is "retarded"! oh look how smart i am, i know about all about tesla!' see, that's how you sound.
and dude, if you think prestige is smart for any reason at all, then you're just not as smart as you want to think. -
"tesla is not in back to the future??? wow that movie is "retarded"
Actually I love BTTF. I just wished they had switched Edison's picture with Tesla's. So no, that movie is not retarded. I think when you have nothing to say you just make up shit then attack it..LOL!
And regardless of if I thought The Prestige was smart or not, has nothing to do with on how I want "you" to think of how smart I am. Now that is down right retarded.
Your initial post right out of the canon was that The Prestige was retarded. Wow! If you were THAT insulted by the film, then you must be so smart I'm surprised you'd give Nolan another chance. Nolan has a pretty consistent record. He would never put out a retarded film. And Jonathan Nolan helped write it. Again he too is not going to put something out that is retarded. You are the one questioning what I had read about Tesla.
Some people don't like it because they hate to think when they go to a movie, they just don't get it.
Then there are people who only focus on the obvious "parts" but are tricked to think that those "parts" are suppose to be hidden, or to try and trick you. So when you see them you think the movie fails for revealing them so
openly.
Then there are others that see this movie as a multi-layered story with a lot going on. Little things like Borden's eyebrow is different then his twin. I knew the guy dressed in a coat and had a beard was in on it...Nolan made it that way on purpose. And I wouldn't consider Tesla's device a cloning machine either. It was more of a replicator. Because the mind is identical. That's what makes the movie so brilliant is it tells you exactly what Borden is doing, but Angier says it can't be that simple, that there is more to it then that. So they try and get you to think more like Angier even after showing the "Obvious".
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nolanman sucks ass! ha ha ha!
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This just dawned on me. I was watching Freaks and Geeks, one of the episodes toward the end. The hermaphrodite issue episode. James Franco pulls over to pick up Seth Rogen after he punches him. Franco looks over and smiles and I realized, he should play The Joker.
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The character is too good to throw away. Have a different actor play him every time, give a different take. It'd be interesting.
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I have a very clearly defined idea of how the general broad-strokes should be put in place for the next couple of Batman flicks. First of all I think it should be said that I believe people have misinterpreted the fabric of “Nolan’s universe” as being one that adheres closely to our own. My take on the films is at odds with this approach. I agree that the two films Christopher Nolan produced are more realistic than any of the other “Batman’s” that preceded it… but people forget that the principal theme surrounding Batman Begins and continuing onto The Dark Knight is of one pertaining to escalation. I believe that if the series does go on with Nolan under the helm, he should continue to explore the Batman mythos as a world that becomes progressively weirder and more outlandish, so that towards the end of the series it is hard to recognize it as the same presented to us in the saga’s beginning: a world where Batman’s own existence repeatedly spawns a plethora of villainous characters continuously outdoing one another in their excentricity and implausibility so that nearing the series’ apex it manages not only to be more faithful to its fantastical comic-book source material as well as being able keep in tune with its original intent of elevating the films away from Burton’s mediocre pop-artistry.
Given The Dark Knight’s sensational box-office gross I think it would be ideal to produce the next Batman as a two part spectacle filmed back to back a la Harry Potter’s last outing. The reasons for this decision abound:
• The Batman franchise, if done right, has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a highly rentable one. It would not be much of a gamble for Warner Bros. to finance two pictures “in one sitting”.
• Christian Bale’s performance as Bruce Wayne/Batman is invaluable for the series’ continuity and his contribution to further franchise installments should be insured contractually for two back-to-back films so that the actor’s age does not become a hindrance to the plausibility of the character. The long process between the realization of each singular installment would then be eliminated, thus discarding the rather ludicrous prospect of audiences watching a 40+ year old Batman performing feats of near physical impossibility.
• The fact that two Batman films could be done and over with, in one fell swoop could open up the possibility for director Chistopher Nolan to expand his artistic ambitions. Once completed, he could then focus on other kinds of non-Batman related projects a director of his caliber is surely interested in.
• Finally, the remote possibility of super-hero genre market saturation. In other words, the assumption that, however unlikely, the popularity of movies based on comic book properties will soon peak and therefore, the necessity to release them before such happens becomes a priority.
With the necessity of the films being shot back-to-back out of the way, the creative process for these films can be discussed:
In my view, the tentative use of the Riddler for the next movie should be discarded. I believe he should be pushed back to the second sequel to The Dark Knight; His villainous machinations are too reminiscent of the Joker’s own trickery for them to have any resonance with audiences as early as the next movie. The use of the Riddler as the main antagonist for Batman in a direct sequel to The Dark Knight would seem derivative to the public and would therefore desenpower the presence of such a villain on screen. Thus, the Penguin would be the perfect foil for the next movie.
A movie which, in my mind, should have as its main precepts the following:
• GCPD’s prerogative will be to bring down the Batman at any costs. This will prove a hindrance to Batman’s crime-fighting agenda throughout much of the film.
• The Penguin should take movie goers one step closer to Batman’s fantastical comic book roots. His visage should be abhorrent and wonderfully grotesque but not enough that it would project audiences into the realm of incredulity.
• In another nod to the idea of escalation and Batman’s world growing ever stranger, The Penguin’s use of a deadly umbrella should be included, but in a careful manner so as to avoid slipping into the realm of camp. Perhaps a modified unbreakable umbrella like the real world ones used by the Secret Service of the Phillipines would be appropriate.
• The Penguin should be a high-tech arms dealer who is flooding Gotham’s underworld with real-world high tech weapons systems such as the DREAD or the CORNERSHOT. He could be viewed as a kind of twisted, malevolent Lucius Fox, obsessed with using his weapons expertise and vast financial resources to put an end to the Batman’s existence.
• The Bat-suit will suffer yet another upgrade in order to cope with the weapons being flooded into Gotham. However, Batman’s refusal to stoop down to his antagonist’s level by acquiring guns of his own should be seen as both heroic and—given the graveness of the situation—pathological. This point will be driven home with audiences by showing them Bruce Wayne’s injuries as being graver than the ones caused by any of his previous scuffles. The amount of bodily harm to which the protagonist subjects himself to should be gruesome to the point that even Alfred questions his refusal to “fight fire with fire”.
(As we already know, Batman refuses to use guns of any kind as he associates them with his parents’ demise.)
• Much like the James Bond series, movie-goers hunger for interesting gadgets in a Batman film. This thirst should be partially quenched with Batman’s upgraded suit and the revelation of a sleeker, cooler prototype vehicle being in the works (only to be finished/used in the following film). However, most of the high-tech eye candy will be provided by the Penguin’s arsenal of state of the art weaponry. This will not only augment the movie’s visual appeal but also help to cement The Penguin’s status as a genuine threat.
• Batman’s partial redemption in the eyes of Gotham’s public should be achieved through his defeat of the Penguin. The Penguin’s threat to the integrity of Gotham will be such that its citizens, in a desperate plea for salvation will call out to what they perceive as a necessary evil: the Batman. This fight fire with fire approach will be polarizing amongst Gothamites, but by the end of the picture, and given the protagonist’s slew of heroic deeds (including The Penguin’s downfall), many will question the veracity of Batman’s involvement in Dent’s supposed death, allowing Comissioner Gordon’s GCPD to re-assess Batman’s incarceration as a priority.
• Batman’s presence within Gotham City should be shown to have an effect upon the image of the city itself. Gotham should suffer an ever-so-slight metamorphosis veering towards the dark and gothic as a reflection of its iconic protector. More gargoyles and building facades featuring chimeras and the like should be a staple in Gotham. This would help identify Gotham as a city with its own identity as opposed to just another large North American hub.
• Finally--and functioning as the movie’s cliffhanger--Two Face’s survival should be revealed. Comissioner Gordon having pulled the necessary strings, it is revealed to audiences he is alive and incarcerated in Arkham Asylum under an alias. Gotham’s dirty little secret hidden away amongst Gotham’s other psychotic evildoers such as Scarecrow, The Joker and now the Penguin.
With all these points discussed above the setup for a second sequel featuring the Riddler is established. I also have some very clearly defined ideas pertaining to how that particular movie should play out, the most important of which, to my mind, include the revelation in that film’s ending of The Joker having taken control of Arkham Asylum. An ending which would be perfect for a fifth and final film: an adaptation of Grant Morrison’s influential graphic novel “Arkham Asylum” featuring The Scarecrow, The Penguin, The Riddler and the Joker’s long awaited return; a movie which would function as the apotheosis of all the weirdness building up in Gotham and one where Batman’s own psychosis becomes readily apparent. The ending of the film could conceivably consist of the tentative re-imagination of Superman descending from on-high and approaching the Batman for recruitment to the JLA—an image which would not be so out of place within the dbizarre context of the film, but would still be seen as some kind of apparition to a disbelieving Batman. This climax could be viewed as either a catalyst to all the ascending preposterousness going on within Gotham or as a discomforting look into Batman’s fragile mind.
In other words, Superman’s arrival in the end of “Arkham Asylum” could be the fruit of Batman’s shattered psyche, a hallucination conjured from a mind so twisted by the Joker’s machinations that its way of coping was by raising a Jungian archetype out of its own imagination. This is a concept which was briefly discussed in “Batman Begins” and one that would duly fit within “Arkham Asylum”.
Either way one wishes to interpret the ending of this film opens up the possibility for the eagerly awaited JLA film.
I truly believe this to be the only conceivable manner to conciliate Nolan’s vision with a hypothetical Justice League spin-off.
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i'm not making anything up. you did say back to the future is "retarded" for ignoring tesla. that is a retarded response to a comedy film.
but it's easy to see how you can think prestige is smart after shifting through your long winded incoherent post above. what's funny to me is people calling others "dumbest fuckers" and "retard" when it's obvious they're not so smart themselves. you're like one of those american idol contestants who go into the audition room confident you're a great singer. and then you open your mouth, and the world knows better. -
BTTF simply was made too early for what you want. The rediscovery/reexamination of Tesla didn't occur until the mid 90's.
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