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‘I Have Faith In You!!’ Anyone Keen To Talk About Tuesday’s Last New FRINGE Till April??
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I am – Hercules!!
“Fringe” got more interesting this week.
SPOILERS AHEAD!
We learn that the teleporting Mr. Jones is part of an army defending against the genocidal citizens of a more advanced dimension.
Olivia Dunham may be full of a miracle drug called Cortexiphan, administered years ago to schoolchildren.
The cyborg Nina Sharp said her robot hand is doing much better.
And Walter Bishop’s teleportation machine does something unthinkable but doesn’t kill you.
Note please that David Robert Jones is David Bowie's real name.
There was also quite a lovely “Watchman” trailer in the middle of it all. West Coasters are encouraged to tune in.
9 p.m. Tuesday. Fox.
Who Watches The Watchmen Tie-Ins??
1910 In 2009!!
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This show just gets better and better! I had no idea it was taking a hiatus though [?]
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Was that the/a watcher as the news stand guy stumbled out onto the sidewalk?
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I definitely think this show is worthy of a talkback, more than ever. Too bad there aren't new eps. til April, I didn't know that. Very disappointing. I think Fringe has proven itself TB worthy. I hope it goes well. Speak up!
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I thought the same thing, I think the strange looking guy the newspaper guy stumbled past, who didn't look surprised or startled, was The Observer for this episode.
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APRIL?!?!?!?!?!?! NO!!!!!!!
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Yeah, I *believe* he was bald[ish] and his suit looked dated (I think he/they tend to wear 50's style threads).
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But it's really starting to pile on the continuity. I still think Olivia is way too fucking bland to be on-screen as much as she is, and tonight's climactic moment was so telegraphed it was almost sad, but it's definitely trying, at least, and succeeding more often than not.
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That was definitely the Observer they flashed on during the News Stand guy's collapse.
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Noooo!!! How can this be gone till April.... I need more Dr. Steward of Gondor in my life
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
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Good episode. Shame we have to wait nearly two months for more.
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Okay, I'm really, REALLY enjoying this show...
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can he teleport? because he was definitely on the plane in last weeks episode. (and the plane crashed.) and yes he was at the news stand. i didnt notice the blue/green flash this week, but im sure it was there and i just missed it. i thought the last episodes since they came back from hiatus we're a bit lackluster, but this was a return to form.. of course im like everyone else here who was pretty surprised at the end of this episode to hear "Coming in April, when Fringe returns.." dammit.
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I hope whatever terrible thing that happened to him when he was ripped through the hospital wall (I'm guessing he was ripped into another dimension perhaps?) But I really hope they find a way to get him back. I think that character really adds a lot to the show and every episode he has been in has been great. I'd really like to see Walter and Jones have a few more conversations. They seem quirky enough to get along.
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Of fucking piece of shit American Idol. The most irritating thing is Fringe just comes back from a holiday hiatus and now it's gone.
But tonight was great, the mythology of the show is coming into focus. So Walter wrote the ZFT manifesto but obviously forgot about it until tonight's episode.
What I don't get is this, but maybe I'm missing something. The ZFT manifesto is basically saying technology will destroy us and yet so far everyone that seems to seems to be associated with them are using technology forbwhatever it they're trying to do. -
That walter didn't say what happens to Mr. Jones
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Fringe is getting a little respect on AIC. It's been consistently good lately and walter is starting to grow on people like giant cold viruses and unwanted facial skin.
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Last week, he was on the soccer field as the plane crashed (far left of screen in establishing shot). It was a different bald man on the plane.
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So that's the kind of editorial rigour it takes to get a job writing online nowadays. Thanks, you just killed one of my brain cells, not to mention all my hopes of gainful employment.
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Had to wait weeks since last Nov., now gotta wait weeks more? Do they just WANT us to stop watching and wait for dvd?American Idol can't be the reason--it has been on for weeks in parallel with Fringe.Morons.It might be worth just skipping all first seasons--buy the dvds for season 1 (they don't come out until S2 starts, usually) and then just watch straight thru.
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Well at least for next week and the week after they have 2 hour episodes. Either way I still hate American Idol.
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Looks like there were some behind-the-scenes shake ups. Darin Morgan is no longer a Consulting Producer (neither are Litvack and Cahill). Roberto Orci and Kurtzman were "demoted" to Consulting Producers.
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it's true.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Oh, screw it. You're an ass with no taste.
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I watched the first couple of episodes of the show and gave up because Walter was too "wacky senile scientist". I felt it came off very twee and manufactured. Has that aspect of his character chillaxed at all, or are we still watching Walter the Wonder Weirdo be artificially eccentric?
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I agree sometimes its a little manufactured because it has to be in every episode, but he makes me burst out laughing at least once an episode, usually more. Everyone has their own tolerance of these things, but I do think it has gotten more refined since the first few episodes. Tonight, the first time he mentioned the coffee cake over the dead body got me pretty good.
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I've just hooked onto this in the last few weeks and it's been getting better each week. I really like the story arc and background that they're starting to build behind some of the characters. The revelations of Walter and Dunham in particular were very interesting, as is the Jones character. I dunno what it is though, Dunham's face just doesn't sell it. She's very bland and the one facet of the show not growing on me. I'll keep tuning ini though.
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Fringe has picked it up of late, and i hope that this hiatus doesn't cause it to lose the momentum it might have gained over the past number of weeks...its a show that deserves an audience...let's hope fow doesn't blow it by constantly shuffling times...
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Nice to see some more in-depth mythology developing.
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It's true! Harvey Birdman discovers the anti-capitalist manifesto written by the sociopathic Unabooboo was written on his typwriter by a displaced T. (though he has to manually displace it. :D )
Fringe IS good stuff. John Noble does a splendid job as in the hands of a less able actor it WOULD be a Jim Carreyesque/Doc. Brown/12monkeys Brad Pitt "manic" psychotic with flashes of Genius. And that's part of the "Olivia problem" as her blandness is excacerbated by the contrast between her and Noble.
Nice setup though with a slightly more advanced "earth 2" beaming across dimensions and interfering with and eventually warring to the death with our dimension. We might even see this alternative Dimension which is more advanced than ours. That could prove VERY intriguing.
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No mention of the Pattern - but this ZFT business is pretty neat.
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the accident that got Walter committed was the teleportation of his evil twin from another universe.
the evil twin is responsible for all of the tech and Dynamic rise to power.
Also I am thinking Peter is Walter's clone or one is from the future.
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.. is just a set of clues to the coming ZFT apocalypse. They seem to be saying that this pattern or.. singularity may be something more than the end of novelty and the beginning of the amazing being the almost impercievable and mundane. Maybe it will open the door to something much bigger than teleporting replicators and the immortal uploadable brain. Warring parallel universes? Nice.
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Ironically LOST is another JJ show, but yeah. I really am digging this show and it is good it's started to get more coverage on here. There are alot of layers and set-ups in each show. It's another show like LOST that you can speculate because they leave alot to imagination and dont spell everything out and keep you wondering, but wanting to definetly see more.
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Are probably the best part of the show. I'm not a huge Josh Jackson fan, and I never watched DC, but the on screen chemistry and writing are very good, funny and walter is still crazy, but not as bad as he was in the 1st 3 eps, cause shaking of 17 years in an asylum takes time, even on tv.
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this show may have started off a little bland but it has been consistently good, and is getting better exponential as the season progresses. the best part is - that the seed of awesomeness that was this episode was planted at the beginning. there is no sense of them pulling shit out of their asses. the groundwork was laid properly.
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I love the characters, and the actors that play them.... I kinda wish there would be more interactions between the good doctor and Astrid... she is supposedly a full FBI agent right? I think she deserves more to do on that show then just be an assistant....
i have a love/hate relationship with american idol.... honestly i think it should be performance night on sunday nights, with results shows on thursday nights -
I agree Astrid is given little to do but am thinking along the lines that she will turn out to be a double agent of sorts from the future. As for Dunham the most shocking thing I recently found out is she is actually married to the guy who played her partner (John) in real life. Most bizarre as I never for a moment have brought into there relationship on the show. I actually would go easy on her but then I compare her to Gillian Anderson whon was always awsome on X-files, in a way made me appreciate her turn on that show more however ridiculous the crazy plot of the week was.
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Now, I freely admit that I'm not a big fan of female leads because they're generally not written convincingly or they're written as these hardcore badasses who are supposed to be dangerous and sexy but only come across as snotty bitches who seem overly full of themselves and their badassery. Like some shitty Angelina Jolie character. That said, they occasionally get the female character right, both in writing and casting, and you get someone who's interesting and engaging, able to strike that balance between being skilled/competent at their work with the requisite hardness about them while maintaining the necessary touch of humanity that makes them appealing in a feminine sense.
Olivia Dunham, however, isn't one of those characters in my opinion. She's not a particularly compelling character, often coming across as a whiny bitch when nobody wants to listen to her, and an emotional weakling when dealing with the shit about her partner/lover. She's not quite annoying, though she straddles the line at times, but she's probably my least favorite character on the show. And I'm sorry, but Anna Torv isn't all that attractive (to me, anyway) so she doesn't even garner sympathy and interest through her sex appeal. (The chick who played her sister, on the other hand, was kinda hot and definitely would have been more engaging for me.)
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Best line ever.
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This show gets better and better. Very impressive. Reminds me of Jericho in that it started relatively weakly and then became epic.
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John Noble's Walter is just excellent. I hope we get an episode that centers on him. Maybe Olivia is a cyborg - she certainly acts like one.
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co-written by Zach Whedon, things have been looking up. But the only other reason to watch this show is Walter Bishop. Damn if Denethor doesn't play him perfectly.
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to get peter to get the manuscript. come on peter, don't get played out like that, if you're willing to stand by her side in certain death, you might as well make a move and do your thing son.
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is that ASTRID is the cyborg... built by the Massive Dynamic Parallel Dimension Research Division. That's why Dunham is so cold and robotic and Astrid is so warm and friendly - they're setting up a big end of season twist a la Alias, best friend is actually a double agent/cyborg from another dimension. Badass kickboxing fight in the lab between Dunham and Astrid ensues.
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They dropped Valley from the opening "star" credits, too. Maybe because he's moving on to that Human Target pilot at Fox? Have to admit, not sure why he (and Blair Brown, still) got full star credits: they've only been in about half the episodes.
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I think his character is quite consistently eccentric. He ALWAYS is reminded of food by each case. I think he just liked to snack while he did his research. Hell, if they start feeding him random things it might have a reverse effect, allowing him to remember experiments/tech he invented while binging on moonpies and twinkies and such. Also, I LOVE HIM. It's probably got to do with the fact that he is an EXACT DUPLICATE of my father, except my father was a pioneering computer electronics engineer, and Walter cuts people open and builds time machines. Also why I sympathize with Peter so much. There are so many times during their interactions that I'm like, "Yea, dude. I've been there."
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I love this entire show in general. It's like X-Files on crystal meth, with a somewhat planned out mythology from the start, and it's balancing the "day-to-day" case stuff of "the Pattern" well with the core story of *why Olivia is special* and the growing mysteries that are building the mythos. And hell, I'll go ahead and disagree with EVERYONE. I like Anna Torv. She's appealing, while not overly hot and bimbo-esque (I think the above poster just has a problem with women in pant-suits. That was the ONLY difference between Olivia and her sister.) The thing I like most about her? She GETS THE FUCKING JOB DONE. Fuck your red tape and FUCK YOU, I've got shit to do. I really, really, REALLY can't wait until she pops that FBI guy right in the face. If he were an ice-cream flavor, he'd be pralines and dick.
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There is no 'AICN spell-checker', that's YOUR spell-checker installed in YOUR browser! :D
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Man this show is good. Better every ep. Dunham is bad ass Walter is always good. I want that PDA too.
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I think Walter is the leader of this army...and lost his memory of all of it....ala Knights of the Old Republic Revan thingy.
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It's the only way to make her even remotely interesting to watch.
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Seriously? The red highlighting? Why doesn't it pop up everywhere then? I mean, I believe you. Such trivia does not warrant a place in this already crowded head of mine, but thanks for the info. I guess. From one "tool" to another. In any case, an update is in order. So the idiot tag belongs elsewhere. Hey Firefox! Yeah you! I am a complete IDIOT because I didn't know you had a built in spell checker, but it thinks teleporting isn't a word. Just a heads up. Oh and ...
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I'm out of patience with JJ's series taking hiatus. Also, get rid of the sexual assulting new boss guy, it's a stupid addition. Ending last night with the lights was painfully obvious, but cool that Walter wrote the manual. I'll keep watching as long as Walter and his kid get quality on-screen time. Without them this show gets too slow.
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Isn't he playing basically the same character he played in Jericho? Just different clothing? I guess he really does do that
"oh crap, I'm a complete screw-up and if I'd just listened to the people who knew what was going on in the first place, the (world, town, captive, soldiers, hostages, the free world, etc etc) would be ok"
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The hour and a half pilot was awesome and introduces the show and characters quite well. The next 5 episodes are stand alones, and vary in quality, only episode 4 "The Arrival" has any relevance to the larger arc. Episode 7 "In which we meet Mr. Jones" through episode 11 tell a complete story and are all terrific episodes. Ep 12 was a weak stand alone, skippable, ep 13 closes out the dead boyfriend arc started in the pilot, which brings us to last nights ep 14 continuing the Jones story, and obviously setting up more with the 9 remaining "tests".
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having this show around will make the coming end of LOST much easier to handle...
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Still, very funny. The mention of the other dimension people make the show make more sense to me. All the super high tech viruses, equipment and stuff that has been used has been used for fairly minor stuff story wise. Why show off your superior weapons & tech for minor gains? I think they're using it out in the open to recruit 'warriors' and alert the authorities that weird shit from another dimension is coming. Did Walter write the manifesto or did his lab partner, who is now head of Massive Dynamics do it on the lab typewriter? It'd make sense he wrote it and now is recruiting for the fight against.... the Invaders from Dimension X!!!!!
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I can't really remember the exact quote but when Walter was reading the manifesto, in a VO as Olivia was going to that amusement park, he said something about a series of seemingly unrelated events would begin to occur that would lead up to this war or whatever. I was assuming that was The Pattern
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First off, this show is incredible. Easily my favorite new show in past couple years. Some things that occured to me after watching last night:
1) Could Walter have written the ZFT manifesto and be the leader? It shows him using the same kind of typewriter at the end.
2)Massive Dynamic lady's hand got better when Olivia stopped the bomb. Is she somehow linked to the progression of these events, almost like a clone or puzzle being completed?
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I am surprised no one mentioned this earlier, but wasn't Peter the one who used his mind to turn off the lights, not Olivia? In almost every episode Walter makes some comment about Peter's hidden potential. Walter must have done some crazy expirements on Peter when he was a kid. They both have forgotten about it, but I think it is clear that Peter is the "special" one, not Olivia. Walter was probably preparing Peter to be the leader of his army.
Also, I like Anna Torv. It took about 10 episodes, but she has one me over and continues to get better looking every episode. I like the idea of Astrid being a double agent/cyborg. Lastly, Walter rules and provides get comic relief. -
..is that they're IN the techno-advanced dimension. WE are in the other dimension, and we're all going to be wiped out in a preemptive strike to prevent us from achieving the level of tech we need to win the war. =D
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Against popular opinion, I think Anna Torv is fantastic. John Noble as Walter is so much FUN to watch. The story line keeps getting stronger (and stranger). The production values are top notch. I just hope that these long breaks don't have too much of a negative impact on the ratings.
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Is clearly going to wind up being tied to the Pattern, in a bad bad way. Think about it...She has access to the Bishops, Duhnim and the lab, every pattern case, and has anyone else noticed that the camera keeps lingering on her every time she speaks or observes Walter? Not to mention that if you pay close attention, John Scott references her in an aside to his cohort in the ep where Olivia goes back in the tank to remember something about his undercover crap. She will be the 'Big Reveal' this season. As far as Olivia, I think she looked kinda hot last night when she was trying to buy that bioweapon from the foriegn dude. She's an FBI agent, for God's sake. I actually know a female FBI agent and Torv kinda nails the character, from what my friend tells me. Anyway great show!
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I thought that also but then didnt Dr Jones/Instruction manual mention you had to be within a certain distance of the lights for it to work.I think Peter might have been too far.One other thing the MD Lady initially witheld the fact that the drug was also given out to residents at the Florida Base, perhaps to put Dunham off from giving the whole light thing a go and thus being on her to fully fledged warrior/resistance fighter status.When she realised it was too late anyway she then calls up and drops it into conversation, so the glow white glass pda never had that info on? I am betting on Walt(the reason to watch this show) being the leader here and his old lab mate and Ceo of MD being the leader of the alternate universe folks.I wonder who they have in mind to play William Bell?
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You pick the one episode I DVR to watch basketball to finally post a TB. I'll be back tomorrow.
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I guess now we know what that little yellow dot next to each Fringe symbol (shown going into commercial breaks) means.
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I've watched like the first four episodes on my DVR so far - the last one I saw is where the wierd dude shows up, orders a roast beef sandwhich with raw beef and puts jalepenos and tons of black pepper on it, etc etc etc. Based on what's aired so far, is it worth catching up?
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You heard it here first.
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Fringe's first season isn't as consistently good as that of Lost's first season, but I don't know if any show can ever be as good as Lost was in it's first season. But there are some really great elements of Fringe that are worth checking out. And while the first season hasn't been as good as Lost's was, I still find myself engrossed in every episode
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I'm starting to dig it, but there are some glaring problems with the show. The number one being the lead actress as many have mentioned. That there is already such a large consensus on this means that she is a negative. Next, Fringe is basically The X Files meets House. I don't have a problem with the blatant rip off of the X Files, because I loved that show and this show fills the gap for me. I just wish that Fringe was as successful with its elements of horror as X Files was. The best thing in the show is Walter and Peter is tolerable and likable. But, they are supporting characters. Dunham is the lead and when the action moves to her the show dies. I wish they had picked an actress like Carla Gugino who has experience in the genre being the only good thing in Threshold. Most network shows hinge on a great lead character. As it stands now I see only tow options get a new lead or make the show about Walter.
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I missed the part about having to be close to lights in order to make them go off. Still...the show made a point to show Peter coming back to the room. If he didn't turn off the lights, what is everyone's theory as to his importance to the overall pattern/war? He can't just be a baby sitter with awesome connections to shady people. Walter messed Peter up good as a kid. Another theory...what if William Bell is the good guy who had Walter locked up to halt his invasion of this dimension.
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Getting antsy.
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glad a TB finally got up and running. when this show came back from its last break, it just took off.
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Fringe is just simply awesome. The fact that I have to wait till April for more is physically painful.
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period. she's deep, driven, intelligent – we love her and stop spreading lieeees, damn lies
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She is a hot looking ass kicker. Although here in Jersey our standards are questionable...
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I don't really like that show...in fact I hate it, but last night I was thinking the same thing about House. Every week there's some crazy thing that happens to some victim and Walter finds a cure for it. I guess part of the reason he finds a cure is because he's responsible in some way for this bad stuff that happens. I still like Fringe because of the sci-fi aspect and because of building mythology.
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Anna Torv is the niece of Rubert Murdoch's ex-wife. Which explains why they didn't fix the show in the most obvious way, get rid of her and make Peter the lead.
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And count me in as another one who'd like a Lost TB.
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It's his ex-wife after all, not his current wife.
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Today's Wednesday right? Where is it? Lazy asses.
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Their aerospace and transportation section talks about MD's Zeno-transit initiative and their goal of developing teleportation technology
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Nice to see my patience was justified last night
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I figured he simply knows Anna personally and likes her and was helping her career along. He may or may not care about his ex of 31 years, who knows, but I could easily see him caring about her niece. He probably knew her since she was a baby. And that's it for this week of lifestyles of the rich and famous.
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I know I am the minority here, but I think Dunham is a fine lead. She is a more realistic FBI agent then we normally see on tv. Trained to be methodical and by the book which by default makes her colder in nature. If she was a fluttery typical woman type I wouldn't buy her in the role.
As for the lights -- good call on one of the earlier talk backs. I didnt even think to link Peter to that. But it is certainly an interesting theory. This show has gotten quite good and it sux that we have to wait until April.
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i like your peter theory. it didnt occur to me, but i think you may be right.. they did make it pretty clear that peter came back into the room. and he was close enough to turn the lights off himself. if your theory turns out to be right then you get 'i called it first' credit.
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and it sucks that we now have to wait 2 friggin months for a new episode. FFS !
The chemistry between all four actors in the lab is brilliant, and I too, often laugh out loud at the father-son banter.
Of course Broils is one cool mofo. I wonder if we'll see him in Lost again soon..
Fringe is going to be yet another show I'll have to buy on Dvd. Brilliant.
PS. Anna Torv gets sexier every week...damn.
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According to my Comcast TV guide Reddick appears in "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
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The ending was the big 'oh whoa' moment for me when Walter was going through the manifesto and then went to the type writer and the type matched. At first I thought HE wrote it and just forget, but now I'm thinking that it has to be William Bell? This show has been a bit slow, but I've been faithfully watching it because I like Walter and Peter (we need more of them) but now I'm starting to like Olivia which I haven't liked that much at all. But they're making her more interesting. So the question remaining is did she or didn't she make the lights go out. She seems to think she didn't. Does anyone else think they're under utilizing Peter Bishop? With all the bombs his father has dropped about him I'm surprised there hasn't been any real Peter-centric episodes.
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She is okay, and as I said above I'm starting to like her, but she can't pull off a lead like say Jennifer Gardner in "Alias". Torv doesn't have that onscreen charisma that Gardner did. Still, I think Walter and Peter are written as more interesting character, however with last nights reveal maybe Olivia won't be so darned bland.
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Feb 11, 2009 4:08:29 PM CST
Total STEAL FROM PLANETARY: Warren Ellis screams revenge
by stormwatcher
While I am so stoked that they are taking the show into a multiverse *ahem* Sliders *ahem* theme, the idea of one dimension eating up another in a power struggle was handled in like 3 pages of Planetary and I really do think JJ Abrams and Co. need to THANK ELLIS for the inspiration cuz man, that's a steal. I do love that bit with the typewriter at the end. I think Walter is a clone of another Walter who will turn out to not have the same quirkiness problems our guy does. Also, its all about the pudding! Trust me, its in the Pudding! Forget the hairless observer, pay attention to pudding references!
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And I mean that in a good way: I love Fringe and I loved Alias.Torv is attractive without being conventionally pretty, just like Mrs. Affleck. And Olivia was selected to be special as a child, just like Sydney Bristow.The differnce was, Alias began as an espionage spoof series and evolved into a sci-fi fantasy show, which annoyed the original fans. Fringe began as a sci-fi series, with spy show elements, right from the start.
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It seemed to me that Test #1 was a box full of lights with an on/off switch and the challenge was to turn the lights off without touching it. Well, wasn't Olivia in a room with three other people? couldn't she just have asked Peter, Walter of Astrid to flip the switch for her? Then the lights could have gone off without her touching them. Even when the guy she was interrogating told her the key to the test was learning to cooperate, that seemed to hint to that being the correct solution. Even if that was the wrong solution, shouldn't someone have at least thought of it?
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I like to see more of the mythology that JJ has clearly envisioned coming out, as opposed to the case-of-the-week stuff.
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best out of context quote of the week.
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I had to record it, but I'm really enjoying the show. It keeps improving. The episodes have gotten more interesting and I really like the father and son. I can't believe it won't be back until April. Doesn't Fox know that they're bound to lose viewers after a hiatus that long? Very annoying.
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Can't understand why some of you don't see that the character is written to be a normal FBI agent thrown into a crazy situation. She's not an undercover agent playing a roll where she can act all nutty. She's not bland just laid back , she's an agent. She's also a piece of ass. Great hair and eyes and um eyebrows. I would hit that fast and hard.
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I think since I'm female I'm looking past the "she's hot" to the core of the character. Every so often we get cool glimpses of her like that time she went drinking with Peter at the bar. But most the time it seems that life just gets in the way of her work and that's all she's about. I do like they've brought a more human aspect to her with the introduction of her sister, but really, they need to make Olivia more relatable. They made Dana Scully the straight one of the Fox/Mulder relationship but she wasn't bland or boring. So what's the difference? Is it the actress and her acting? Is it the way she's being written? I don't know but she just isn't a Sydney Bristow or Dana Scully for me.
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if they NEVER went that "unresolved sexual tension" route with Peter and Olivia. Biggest cliche on TV. Not every woman on TV has to get a wide on for the guy she works with. We get enough of that Sam and Diane/Mully-Sculder nonsense on Bones. Isn't saving the world with the miracles of fringe science week after week enough without having to resort to high school crushes?"My, yes, that is a putrid smell. Do you like coffee cake? With the crumbles on top?"
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I think what you meant to write was "Fringe gets interesting" cause it's been a boring yawnfest so far. I've been hanging in because I think it should be so much better than it has been. I've got 3 episodes on PVR I can't even bring myself to watch. Does this mean I should catch up? I'd love it if this show finally started to live up to its potential.
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I'm intrigued by your theories and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. I thought the same thing with the light box, that it was a trick question...an easy one to figure out but a trick nonetheless.
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but it could be and should be much better. High production values and obviously talented people working the lights, music etc. But they're just not creating what's appropriate for the material... it could be they're misguided. Sort of like hearing a full blown John Wiliams score in a light, coming of age, romantic comedy... the music is sure to be good but it's likely to feel out of sync with the material.
But the biggest area where Fringe could and should see improvement is in the acting. Especially Torv. In all fairness, she's actually shown improvement and she's obviously trying hard which is more than what I can say for most actors. But her character serves as the focal point and thus needs to be solid. Unfortunately, she's missing key opportunities to give her character dimension and life. Much of it is in the "small", subtle and/or non-verbal things like how she reacts to what another character says or what she does in the beats or how she "wears" emotion etc. Having her character show emotional depth and variety is essential for the show but she's not quite there. It just doesn't come across as credible. I should clarify though that I don't mean that she should be on an emotional rollercoster. She can play her character as "cold" or subdued if she wants but still show range and make it feel natural instead of stiff. Yesterday's episode was a good show to break down her acting since she was in a position to interact with all the other major characters, each in a different way.
While it's not really a series driven by character, just improving how she interacts with the other characters would go a long way to highlighting (what should be) interesting relationships and improving the show several fold. The writers haven't given her a ton of material to work with but there's been more than enough for her to create a richer character. I think she's capable though, and will get there in time.
It goes without saying that John Noble is excellent. Jared Harris too. All the other actors need to step it up a notch. Better supporting characters will help Torv develop her's and make for a much better show. -
Feb 11, 2009 10:12:10 PM CST
MeThinks what is happening to Locke may mirro what happened to S
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maybe Shephard 'got back' to the island TOO!!
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Eureka is a more fun show with just as much sci-fi nuttiness but without the twee.
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Whether Fringe is the big breakout hit of the season some people thought it would be or not, have you noticed how many ads have been copying the floating letters? I've spotted three so far. The Volkswagen ones being the most obvious, and a cell phone I think, and that new movie that's opening this week - the Clive Owen one, I think.
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Fringe has got better. BUT... it can be so much better if the writers start going twilight zone on the premise. Whats the real story on the lab cow?! What has the mad scientist really done?! Add in the really concepts about the scientific theory of the "observer created universe" etc. Fringe needs to get more stranger. Also i like the nod to Altered States with the isolation tank.
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Had a feeling about this back when they were first advertising this show in the news magazines. Multiple universes and such. I rather enjoy the class FRINGE is being told with, though. Wonderful new show, easily the best of the season.
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Apparently a few episodes there was a direct nod to Ellis' Desolation Jones. They talked about a scientist called Doctor Fisher who bombarded someone with imagery to mess with their mind, just like Jones. They've had a few ideas Ellis would have had. I get the feeling the showrunners or writing staff are big fans.
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with an experimental new drug calls Spoogesin. Just to see if maybe getting pounded could generate some kind of emotion on that face. She continues to be the weakest link BY FAR of all the regular actors. She was less emotive than the creepy watcher friend of Walter's.
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it's been steadily ramping up the awesomeness for the last 5 episodes. The hint of the larger "battle" ? Walter creating the manuscript and having no knowledge of it ? Jones' character ? All getting better and better. This is steadily moving up my "must watch immediately" list, and right now, trails only BSG, Lost, and True Blood (which I admit I watch mostly for the tits).
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Part of the problem with her may be direction, and to a lesser extent how she struggles mightily with doing a convincing American accent. She has gotten much better as the episodes have gone on, though. Was kind of weird seeing her pander to Joshua Jackson like a little girl--twice!--and I thought that it was an effort on the writers/director's part to try to flesh her out. I think the episode where she broke out of captivity and showed she was a bad-ass fighter was another attempt to flesh her out. I agree with one of the posters above, I would NOT like to see romantic tension between Peter and Olivia. A big cliche and hard to sustain in an open ended series. If you consummate it, it's dead and there's nowhere to go. If you keep the tension going for too long, it loses credibility. And that stupid ass harassment guy has GOT TO GO! Totally irrelevant and right now the worst part of the show. As far ratings, I consistently hear throughout the trade press that there are two breakout hits of the new television season, "The Mentalist" and "Fringe" although I am sure with Fringe's production budget that is no guarantee for anything, except that it will be back next season, for sure. Dumb move breaking the continuity until April, though. That never helps ratings. Ever.
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I like these advances in the overall story, I just hate these stupid breaks shows take, they aren't anything but harmful. The Brits have a much better way of treating their schedules. Also, Dunham is a great character, not your typical strong-but-simpering female character on a show like this. Don't overlook Astrid though!
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Why else the big reveal about the parallel dimension? That would be like spilling the beans about Widmore-Jacob-Ben-etc. in the first season of LOST!
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You mean like doing 6 or nine episodes and calling it a season, then taking a break, then coming back and doing some more? Like they do in England? I thought that's what they were doing.
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Catching up on Tivo and just watched the episode. Gotta keep him around. He's like a sci-fi Hannibal Lecter (except the cool Brian Cox kind, not the hammy Hopkins).Plus, awesome reveal about Walter being the manifesto author. Great show.
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I got the idea that Bell wrote it. Walter isn't that out of it to not know he wrote something like that, unless he was in a trace or something. Personally I would prefer he wrote it, but it seemed more like that Bell did.
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for the role. She is more handsome than pretty, like Stefi Graf or Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy. I think it makes her character more believable. I think some guys just want to see a pretty face, regardless of the role. For example, Chyna (the wrestler) would seem to be an obvious popular female B-movie action star, instead Kristanna Loken gets the work. Though I'm sure a lot of the guys here would deny it, I bet this "rejection" of Torv has more to do with her looks than her acting. The moment Torv goes undercover and does an episode as a hot call girl, or starts wearing more makeup and gets a breast job, the opinion of her "acting skills" will remarkably improve.
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I completely agree, Elcabio. Due to my acting background (in the business for more than 30 years with education to match), I state without hesitation that Torv's skill and talent are both excellent. She is a highly competent actress. A lot of TB folks are confusing "natural" for "bland": I believe. Not surprising considering that the two Bishops--especially Walter--are both eccentric, character roles which read much more broadly than the "straight woman" Olivia.For the record, I think John Noble is the real standout acting-wise. His Walter has so many layers of complexity (childlike fascination; deep regret; explosive bursts of passion; sinister obsession). Noble (a master character actor) is a true joy to watch in this role.I liked X-fILES, but I have the potential to love FRINGE. And though there are obvious similarities in plot infrastructure to X-FILES, FRINGE is not at all derivative of that show and is getting less like it as time goes by. For one thing, the episodes are hanging together as one large story to a much greater and coherent degree than X-FILES ever did. FRINGE is hitting all the right buttons for me. No complaints thus far.
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