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‘You Think You’re Invincible But You’re Not!!’ HEROES 3.15!!

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There was a big drop-off in quality after last fall’s shaky third-season premiere, and I won’t be surprised if tonight’s installment sucks. (For the record, my plan is to watch the superior “24” first.) NBC says of 3.15, titled “Trust And Blood”:
Following a chain of unexpected events, our Heroes are on the run from their latest adversary and one of their own, Nathan Petrelli (Adrian Pasdar). After Matt (Greg Grunberg) paints a series of prophetic images, the tragic fate of someone close to him is revealed. Elsewhere, Sylar (Zachary Quinto) continues his search for his father and encounters a young outcast (guest star Dan Byrd) with information and an ability of his own. Jack Coleman, Ali Larter, James Kyson Lee, Masi Oka, Hayden Panettiere, Sendhil Ramamurthy, Cristine Rose and Milo Ventimiglia also star. Ashley Crow and Ntare Mwine also guest star.
Bryan Fuller returns with episodes 3.19-3.25. For those querying, my thoughts on last week’s installment: It was perfectly watchable. (I thought the same of the 3rd season opener -- the one with dead Kaito yelling at Hiro via video.) I liked that it jumped two months ahead. The AndoCycle and The Lair and Ando picking up strippers was wonderful. I like that Hiro is no longer all-powerful. Sylar's visit with his “dad” was good. I liked that Claire was in New York and not trying out for some new cheerleading squad. I like that Peter is now more Ultra-Boy than Idiot-God. The outfits the detainees wore were suitably creepy. Claire kicking her driver unconscious and taking over the plane was pretty badass. What didn’t fry my burger? Matt's lust for normality is a bore; I got my fill of that back when with Claire. Claire heard the Petrellis say they were going to kidnap Peter -- but when Claire phoned Peter she didn't mention this! What the heck! I hated the "funny" chance encounter between Peter and Mohinder. (Kring, Fuller & Co. should maybe think about explaining away these endless coincidental meetings -- a special mutant pheremone would get that job done.) The reveal that Noah was working for the government was not entirely unpredictable. Usutu suddenly quit being funny last week, and Matt permanently getting the Isaac power feels really random. (Powers change too conveniently on Heroes post-season one, I say.) The Peter-Nathan conversations were a lot of blah-blah-blah; Nathan’s motivations seem as random as Matt’s powers. It might have been cooler if Sylar started slicing his would-be kidnapper vertically for a change. It bugged me that Ando didn't think "Charlie" might be Hiro's computer password. The thing that continues to bug me most is Noah has inexplicably devolved (post season-one) into a blundering moron. He's supposedly been subduing superpowered mutants for decades, but he doesn't think to maybe not seat power-absorbing Peter next to the other superheroes on the plane? I would have maybe made the gesture of segregating Peter in his own special vault or supercoffin or footlocker. (One that Tracy's powers still could ultimately breach, of course.) 9 p.m. Monday. NBC.

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  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:01 a.m. CST


    by RokurGepta


  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Since when...

    by SuperKeeg

    did Peter actually HAVE to touch someone to take their powers? And aren't they all equatable to muscle memory anyway? So why doesn't he have all of the same ones he had before his powers were "taken"? This show really annoys me, now.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    That trailer is like "Heroes:LOST"!!!

    by Sephiroid


  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    To be honest....

    by Sephiroid

    The previous episode was pretty good. Let's hope they keep it up. And SuperKeeg, if you remember, Peter's dad took his original power away, so Peter had to inject himself with Mohinder's serum, so now his power is that he can absorb only one power at the time and that via touching another superpowered individual.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    "Nathan’s motivations ... as random as Matt’s powers"

    by newc0253

    I concur. Nathan seems to have turned into the key bad guy for no other reason than that the plot requires one. Similarly Noah doesn't seem to show any regrets about rounding up several of his former allies. Maybe it all gets explained at some point but we're only ever given the most perfunctory dialogue, as if the Heroes writers expect us to take yet another sudden switch in allegiance/drastic shift in motivation in our stride.<p>

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    If a tree falls in a forest...

    by MoseSchrute

    Question: How many shows have had smash first seasons, then two absolutely terrible ones, then gotten back on it's track and become good, entertaining and maybe even relevant again? Maybe Six Feet Under (two good seasons, two and a half bad ones, good ending) or LOST (one good season, one and change all over the place, two redefining awesome ones, so far) would be similar stories, but those are a bit of a stretch. Most shows fizzle out and disappear and descend into suck. Point is, just because Bryan Fuller returns to Heroes' writers room, will it make any difference and will anyone (aside from Herc) care?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST

    RE: Sephiroid

    by Incomplete Gamer

    You aren't kidding, I couldn't believe that the preview started like that. The only thing missing was a cast of characters I liked, a smoke monster, seemingly random flashbacks, good dialog and a plot that actually feels like it's going some place satisfying. Aside from those things, Heroes is exactly like Lost. :)

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Is this show still on??

    by Mike_D


  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    "my plan is to watch the superior “24” first"

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Uh...thanks for that pointless bit of information.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST


    by Sephiroid

    I think that Lost and Heroes can's and shouldn't be compared... Different genres, different shows.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Stop having talkbacks for this show

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    People have lost faith in this. It's the same thing every week. We hate it. If you see an episode and think that it deserves a talkback, then put it up. And we all know that will never happen, no matter how brilliant of a writer Fuller is.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Fire Kring!

    by Craig2574

    I think I have read this someplace else on this board but Paul Dini should be brought in next season as the show runner and work with Fuller. Every volume is the same so far. Some pics or jump into the future shows that there is a problem. Peter acts like a moron to advance the plot.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:46 a.m. CST


    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    I think there's a difference. With Lost, rewatching the seasons over between hiatus', you get a sense that they know where they are going. No matter how meandering some of the plots got (Season 2- Episodes 4-9 were a bore, didn't get great until Henry Gale finally showed up; Season 3- Most people thought the first 6 episdoes were bad, I would argue against that. Episode 9 was the absolute worst). Point is, they knew they had to get from point A to point B, they just didn't know how long it would take to get there. There was no paradox or contradiction with it. With other shows, like the almost infallible 'The Wire', people did not like season 2, and i still hear a lot of people say that. To me, I saw all five seasons on DVD, so season 2 was great. It added so much to Baltimore and the story about the Unions was something I've never seen discussed in popular entertainment. Final point is, Heroes doesn't suffer from temporary paralysis like most shows do when they grow old or unappealing to the constantly changing discourse in American taste. Heroes has always been something easy to digest, pop soda. The problem is the show is written by manatees. Even if Fuller does resurrect the show, we still have two seasons of utter mindlessness that I can't forgive.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:54 a.m. CST

    the show didn't get dumb the audience did

    by thinboyslim.

    can't believe some of the way off the mark reports about last weeks episode, stuff like "why was peter scared to fall out a plane after he'd told his brother he can fly", honestly do people just watch this shit in the background and then try and tear it down? and whenever they say "the writings turned to shit" and then quote the same single line from 2 and half seasons of dialog. you can't argue with the dwindling audience but that's because it got frustrating, unanswered questions and plot lines completely forgotten or skipped. but the show didn't get dumb, the writers didn't suddenly forget how to write, it wasn't even that ideas dried up. The only issue cam when they lost a central theme to the story, characters lose their arcs if a solid conclusion cannot be seen. the show is a good vehicle for writing they just need to choose a story and stick to it and not be dismayed by idiot critics who don't want to watch the show let alone review it.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:16 a.m. CST

    No. Aside from Fuller's contributions, most of the writing was b

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Kring, Loeb and co. can't write for shit. Never liked Loeb's contributions to Lost, and his Heroes episodes made me look back at Dark Victory and Long Halloween and realize that they WEREN'T that good. That was the WORST part. Raping my childhood. The art is still fantastic though. Heroes was never about quality. It was never about a postmodern allegorical study on our current discourse, it was entertainment, it was pop. It was fun to watch. We didn't need to invest ourselves too deeply into it like we need to do other shows (i.e. The Wire, Deadwood, Lost, etc.). Why people are so angry now is because it completely fucked that simple premise up, to the point where the writers fell in love with their own praise and thought that they were infallible. It still surprises me to see that old fans (i.e. me) go out of their way to bring up all the reasons why this show has gone so horribly array. It's not like I want this show to fail (ok. maybe I do a little). It would be great to see this show pop up again. In an age of media convergence, more and more executives are watching what we say. This is the new age of large sample focus groups on the internet. We are doing a necessary duty to show them what is not successful and what is.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST

    And for someone who can fly, Peter is...

    by Executor

    ...really freaked out about falling out of the plane.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:19 a.m. CST


    by The McPoyle Clan

    HRG has been ruined. The best thing that could come from Fugitives is for Nathan to be defeated as big bad, and leave the he can reprise his role as Profit on cable TV. They remake shitty shows like Knight Rider, why not a good one like Profit?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Regarding Peter's Powers

    by Captain RawBeard

    Peter can only absorb and keep one power at a time, that's why he was unable to fly. Also why after touching Ice Queen the guard was able to punch/shove Peter to the ground coz he was no longer strong. Hence his panic about falling out the Plane. <br> <br> Show still sucks though

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:45 a.m. CST


    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Just breaking down your question... <p>"honestly do people just watch..." -- Well, fewer and fewer people are watching it, that's for sure...<p>"...this shit..." -- Yes, I agree, HEROES has really become quite a piece of shit this season.<p> " the background..." -- That seems to be the most ideal way to get through it... so, yes, I'm sure many once-loyal viewers now watch it EXCLUSIVELY as background noise.<p>"...and then try and tear it down?" -- Tear it down, yes. Try... it's really not that hard at this point.<p>It's sad... but I don't see HEROES getting picked up for a full fourth season (maybe a wait-and-see 13 episodes... we'll see.), even with Fuller back on board.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    thinboyslim is dead right

    by slowgraffiti

    MOST, not all, people who bash this show don't even seem to be able to follow it, which is saying a lot. It's comic book story...they're convoluted and zig zag in any which way. Believe me, the Eclipe double episode was a crock of fucking horse shit when it should have been the high point, but why complain? By the time it aired Loeb had already been fired and Fuller announced he was coming back. They need to reboot as Kring planned. I know they like to say it was his idea to stick with the characters, but do you think NBC was going the let the most popular cast on a new tv show walk off? Bob Loblaw Law Blog, great handle, but there is a differenece between being clever and being smart.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    RE: Sephiroid

    by Incomplete Gamer

    We can't compare Heroes and Lost? Seriously? They are two episodic hour-long TV shows on network television, it's not like I'm comparing The Real World to Lost. Yes, one show is a sci-fi show while the other is an over-the-top action show, but it's not like Lost doesn't have action (and Heroes certainly has elements that are science fiction-y). If we can't compare these two shows, then I guess the Oscars shouldn't award movies, either. After all, who is to say that Heath Ledger's performance in a comic book movie is on the same level as, say, Robert Downey Jr. in a comedy? Those are two completely different genres and by your rationale they cannot be compared.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Thought you weren't gonna watch anymore Herc?

    by Monkey Butler

    Maybe 1% of the TBs are positive, you bitch about the show constantly, the ratings are down, so why do you put TBs up for it? Just as a place for people to come and repeat the same old gripes about how much the show sucks?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:33 a.m. CST

    The one criticism I see is that Peter's power was written out...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    because the writers weren't strong enough to have a character with god-like abilities... If they were smart maybe they would have turned him into a Dr Manhattan kind of thing. <p> But other than that, I felt it was a perfectly serviceable episode and it's clear that Season 3 has been way better than 2 (while not as good as 1 of course, it isn't totally devoid of flaws), and that this second half of 3 has a lot of potential.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:51 a.m. CST

    They need to do a "Lost" on this...

    by Turtle_Z

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Dipshit, last week was a reboot. Peter/Mo

    by EvilWizardGlick

    The Peter/Mohinder meeting was almost a replay of the first time they met. Matter of fact the whole cab scene was merely a what could have been remake of season ones cab scene. I'm always amazed just how dense people are when they can't see the obvious.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Jumpsuits straight out of GITMO.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    That is how they dressed them for transport.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Peter now needs to touch people? Is he Rogue?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    How did that happen?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Get Brian K Vaughan to write this instead...

    by dj_bollocks

    Him and Loeb back would save this series from a continued bout of the shits... Frankly getting bored with poor storytelling and little or no layering - look I'm not looking for The Wire but at least some arc plotting that doesn't seem to change as each episode airs...

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Nathan in some form has ALWAYS been the bad guy.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Once again, for those who can't see the obvious, every trip to the future had a form of Nathan as the bad guy. Even if Sylar impersonated him. When Ma Petrelli proposed the nuking of Ny Nathan at first accepted it. Nathan's evolution into the almighty evil has been consistent and clear since season one.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Sylar has multiple powers, Peter no longer a balance?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    I thought Peter and Sylar were equal and opposite. But with the de-evolution of Peter that leaves Sylar unchallenged.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Sylar slicing vertically. Now that's funny (I mean that).

    by Kevin Holsinger

    Sounds like something you'd see in a John Carpenter movie. "Heroes vs. the Thing" seems like it would be a good match.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:25 a.m. CST

    If it sucks, stop reporting on it!

    by Lemming

    You ignore Supernatural, which people actually watch, and report on this and shit like Smallville that people find fucking wank. More people watched Stargate than Smallville OR Heroes, but just because YOU don't like it you ignore it? Great Journalism.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Forget About Canceling TBs on This Show

    by Aquatarkusman

    When the administrators put out talkbacks for the abyssmal SNL, that means that it will never end regardless of the continued suckitude. It would be like having a Simpsons thread every week, although nobody really likes the show and it's just coasting on creative fumes.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:05 a.m. CST


    by VoxMillennium

    That this suckfest gets weekly coverage while a far superior series like "Fringe" is completely ignored.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    all this talkback argument BS is easily solved...

    by champvinyl

    How about this archaic almost burgeoning on "Piece of shit" movie/ tv website steps at *least* into the year 2000 and sets up a "talkback Forum" then they can create talkbacks for shit that they dont even care about, the reason you guys don't have supernatual (Barf), Smallville (Double barf), or hell... Fringe talkbacks is simply BECAUSE they dont' watch it, the AICN contributors, however biased they are appearing to be, arn't going to post an article on a topic they can't write about. There you go, an explanation now quit bitching about it.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Watch Chuck instead...

    by ScottinDC

    ...of this over-hyped and totally tepid suckfest. At least Chuck boasts a laugh or two each episode - Heroes has stunk up the place since Season 2 started.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    chuck is awful...

    by champvinyl

    I've tried to watch it multiple times but its even more contrived than heroes, and is written like someone one day had a eureka and decided to make a 40 year old virgin-johnny mnemonic-James Bond-TV Based sandwich. That stupid 3D crap last weekend was the last nail in the coffin.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    p.s. ...

    by champvinyl

    My mom LOVES chuck, although she doesn't ingest *any* media that has any Tension, Violence, Pain, Real emotion, or anything remotely challenging. Shes still my mom but god does she have bad taste. What does that say about you Chuck fans?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Peter's Powers

    by evolution1085

    Has there been any actual verification that he can only hold one power at a time? I haven't seen any, and if there is, link please?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Let me guess the comments after tonight.....

    by tanks1

    It sucks. The writing stinks. The acting stinks. I don't watch it anymore. I'm not going to watch it anymore. 1st season was better. "_________"... is a better show.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    Rex Carsalot.

    by champvinyl

    Clever; now get back under your fucking bridge i hear goats.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST

    ATT: Lemming

    by rassmguy

    Journalism? Since when has AICN been about journalism? I'm serious about that question--there's no journalism on this site. Never has been. Journalism involves well-sourced and cited articles that are well and edited and don't sound like they were written by angry teenagers. Journalism implies a level of quality that has never been in effect here. If you're looking for journalism, AICN isn't the place to go--this site is just a bunch of fanboys.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    There's no proof that Peter's power limits to one now...

    by TheWarden

    ...nothing has happened that shows that. Maybe he learned to control his power so that he wouldn't go around absorbing a lot of random powers and doing something stupid (like freezing holes in a plane). And just because you have super-strength, it doesn't mean you can't get your ass kicked.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I gotta jump on the band wagon...

    by Russman

    I gave them a pass for the bad writing before but I'm getting pretty tired of nothing improving. I find it amazing how in Heroes and in LOST none of the characters can just COMMUNICATE to each other. There's always "no time to explain, just do what I say". If someone said that to me in real life, my reply would be, "motherf---, make time and explain". Whatever.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Stopped watching last week...

    by biggles2_22

    And guess what? I don't regret it and won't be back. Enjoy your last (and abbreviated) season Heroes? Don't worry, the rest of the episodes will be aired on Hulu!

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    My problem with Peter's powers...

    by turketron

    My problem with peter having 1 power is that I know that any time they get tired of him only being able to have 1 single power at a time (and from touch) is that I get the feeling that if they want, the writers will just change the rules without any justification.<p><p>And as far as him getting them through touch now, how was he able to fly after taking the injection in the "Villains" finale?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST


    by champvinyl

    Thats probably one of my biggest complaints about primetime TV now, writers are sacrificing any kind of exposition for the sake of Drama. I.E. characters don't tell each other necessary information as real people would, you can't base the characters in a show on moral hypocrisy it doesn't translate to people; most people do what they beleive not the exact opposite, because most of us don't crave drama (except for my ex gf.) I blame most of the bullshit on increased ad time, and pressure... if Heroes was created on HBO it might be something quite alot better... I'll keep watching though to see what happens.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Soooooo... reporting on the baftas someday?

    by Brody77

    Honestly, I know we're over in the UK, but still, Mickey Rourke won ya know!

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    ATTN: rassmguy

    by Incomplete Gamer

    Coming from a freelance journalist, your definition of what a journalist does makes me smile ... and then cringe. Don't get me wrong, in an ideal world you would be 100% correct. I can't argue with anything you say, and those are things that journalists SHOULD be doing. But from my experience, that is not what many journalists do. Perhaps at the New York Times or Time, but not at the places I've worked. Sorry to say.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Heroes I watch it because everything else pretty much sucks

    by andrew coleman

    Looking forward to Dollhouse just for the hottie factor. I can't watch Fringe simply because I saw every plot on the X-Files already. Heroes is still entertaining for me and I just can't agree with all the hate on here. I agree with those who bash some of the writing but I have enjoyed where this story has gone. I think Noah is working inside the government to hurt them that's why he isn't exactly on his game. Nathan to me was always going to be the main Villain you could see this coming for a while. I just wish last season they focused a little more on Nathan being corrupted by his father. I still have hope for this show but I just don't care as much as some of you do. I just watch it I have no vested opinion or goal when it comes to tv watching, I just watch what I think will be good or make me laugh.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Lost and Heroes can be compared

    by happybunni

    If both shows were on at the same time, which would you watch? Obviously Lost, it's just a better show. Heroes sucks now, Nathan being a villian is extremely boring.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    It Won't Get Cancelled

    by Crow3711

    As much as it sucks, and even with its rating in free-fall, NBC is soo desperate for programming, there is no way they wil can this. We will have Heroes for at least a few more years people. They will try EVERYTHING they can to get back to season one numbers before they let it go. Trust me, NBC will be beat this show to death and back again before they let it go. NBC is in serious, serious trouble ratings wise, and they won't let their one show people actually watch besides the Office go quietly. As much as it should be cancelled, it won't be. They'll probably try a complete, blatant series reboot entirely before they let it go.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    awful awful show.

    by knowthyself

    They should take Sylar and give him his own show. Kill everyone else especially peter and the cheerleader.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Peter New Power

    by Alientoast

    "There's no proof that Peter's power limits to one now..."...If you watched the episode, they tried to clearly demonstrate that was the case. He was noticably weaker after touching Ali's character and getting her ice powers. He's basically Rogue now, sans life sucking. The only thing they haven't demonstrated is how long the absorb lasts. Is it permanent until he gets a new one, or does it wear off eventually?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Peter sending Claire to the cockpit = DUMB.

    by HoboCode

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    You know who rocks the penal orange jumpsuit?

    by HoboCode

    Hurley. You know it.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST


    by ironic_name

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by TheWarden

    I did watch the episode, and they left the impression that Peter had to touch someone to get their power. That's it. Oh, but Peter flew in Pinehurst before he touched Nathan so it seems like they're contradicting themselves. And how was he noticeably weaker after touching Nikki2? He was suprised that he touched her and the guard got the upper hand. I don't know why people want to connect super-strength and invunerability/invincibility.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    ATT: Incomplete Gamer

    by rassmguy

    Incomplete Gamer: I know exactly what you mean, man. I, too, am a journalist, which is why, when I see the writers on this site refer to themselves as journalists, I have to cringe. What happens here may be entertaining...well, sometimes, at least...but one thing it most definitely is NOT is journalism. Ethics, impartiality, fact-checking, quality control, integrity and a basic understanding of grammar, punctuation and writing cohesion: those are necessary components of journalism. I rarely ever see any of those in effect here.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    What does that THING transform into?

    by zooch

    A chicken?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Heroes has just not been very good

    by zooch

    It's not terrible, but it's not very good either.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Recast Claire.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    I can't stand that actress with her whiny voice and chubby little sausage fingers. Seeing her ugly feet when she cut off her toe...that still haunts me.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Super Strength

    by Alientoast

    People usually associate super strength with resistance to damage, because usually the strength is explained by high molecular density or what have you. Then again, writers would usually ignore that unless it's Superman. They'll have a character rip metal off a car w/o injuring themselves, then they get knocked out or shot with a tranq when the plot calls for it.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    I mostly was just having a laugh because in his "defense" of HEROES, thinboyslim referred to it as "this shit." I just found that amusing.<p>And, I'll fully admit... I don't really watch the show anymore. I will sometimes TRY to watch it, but usually end up getting bored and fast forwarding until something interesting happens... which, honestly, doesn't happen very often. Even the whole plane crash scene last week just kind of left me yawning.<p>I think a lot of people feel as I do... HEROES used to be appointment television... now it's just, "Oh yeah... I used to really like that show."

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Bob Cryptonight

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Agreed... Hayden Panettiere is a terrible actress. That's becoming more and more apparent with the passing of time.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Best part of last week was Sylar vs. the guards

    by turketron

    Good action scene... Sylar rarely disappoints.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, noon CST

    Plane scene last week...

    by turketron

    I LOVE how the guards just left all the prisoners for a while without anyone watching them... wtf?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Is it Wednesday yet?

    by HoboCode

    Just checking?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Incomplete Gamer

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    I know what you mean! I graduated from journalism school and worked as a sports writer and a copy for a while at a small weekly (one of those awesome post-college jobs where you get paid almost nothing, yet do the work that 10 people would have done in the '80s).<p> While most journalists have a great knack for grammar, spelling, AP style, ethics, etc., an alarming number would be toast without modern tools like spell check and the Internet.<p>Of course, that's why every journalist needs EDITORS. Harry and Co. do a great job here, but they self-edit. It's not really a problem... it actually endears me to AICN... but, it's not the same as newspaper journalism.<p>Still, I really have no problem with Harry and others referring to themselves as "journalists," as it's an adequate definition of what they do. Their stuff just doesn't get shredded, scrunched and cut to bits at the hands of an overzealous copy editor.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    If you think it's butter, but it's snot...

    by chromedome

    it's Chiffon

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    So no talkback for "superior" 24?

    by Whatcokes982


  • Feb. 9, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Sylar has super hearing!!!

    by indyjonez100

    Do the writers think we are that stupid! He would have heard those commandos coming into the house. I guess they think we can't keep track of all the powers he has collected. Come on, give us some credit.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Sylar lost super hearing after season 1

    by turketron

    Along with all his season 1 powers except for TK... supposedly. Keep up.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    RE: Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    by Incomplete Gamer

    You are definitely, 100% right about AICN needing some editors. Most of the spelling errors and minor things I can just ignore, but there are some things that just drive me up the walls. Too many years of watching my peers make similar mistakes. You're right, it is endearing, but dammit, how hard is it to spell check things from time to time. :) (PS - The name, and its reference, rock!)

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    RE: indyjonez100

    by Incomplete Gamer

    Sylar must have been collecting powers in the off season.

  • More importantly, why did he think HE needed to inject himself with the red Promicin to save Nathan? Nathan is the one who can, and always could, fly? Nathan should have been the one rescuing Peter.<p>Does Peter need to touch someone or was he and Mohinder holding hands a way to give us a visual cue that Peter had absorbed Mohinder's strength? It seemed to me that Peter loses one power when he absorbs the next. It would explain why he didn't want to fall out of the plane. However, it is unclear, since he obtained Nathan's power of flight from across the room, whether or not he needs to touch them. Maybe touching is quicker. Maybe he can have anyone's power if he concentrates but touching forces the switch. Maybe he can obtain and store many powers but touching makes that touch-acquired power dominant for some period of time not allowing him to access any other powers (it takes time for him to integrate it into his power system, for lack of a better term, and until he does so it is the only power he can use).

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    24 is probably higher quality

    by Toonol

    ...than heroes, but I have no desire left to actually watch that show. Heroes is more flawed but more entertaining, while 24 is better but less fun. In my opinion, of course.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Both 24 and Heroes suck.

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    24 is guilty of over-staying its welcome whereas Heroes has worn out its welcome. But I guess I'd watch 24 over Heroes if a gun were pressed to my temple.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    give em a small break

    by seteger

    It's become really trendy to hate Heroes, even for those who never liked it a whole lot to begin with. It's easy to kick a show when it's down, and sure, it's their fault for falling down to begin with. But if we're going to hate the show on little ticky tack things, that's cheap; EVERY show has those problems. Last week was actually really decent, and it could pave the way for some good developments down the line (actually TEAMING together, trying to have alter egos to hide behind, a clearer enemy to fight). Give them SOME credit and some chance to get back on their feet.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Random. I think that sums it up.

    by johnnyangelheart

    For me it started going random in the first season. You need a producer with a strong vision to keep a show like that on track, but that is sadly lacking. How hard is it to create a season arc that stays within the original limits for the most part, only occasionally expanding for a critical plot development. But Heroes just seems, Random. Heroes come and go, powers come and go, relationships come and go. Randomly.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Once again

    by phillipisking

    We are on Season/Volume 4 now. Not season/volume 3. That is all.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Verheiden wrote tonight's episode

    by jccalhoun

    This is the test. Verheiden can write good television -- he wrote two weeks ago's BGS ep "The Oath." If this is a good episode then perhaps the rest of the season won't stink so much.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    if mark wrote cant be bad

    by bacci40

    so i will watch with an open mind

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Last week's Lost episode, most of the people on forums were complaining that Vaughan has too much interaction with the characters, that he's just writing it to catch the audience up. Whereas in season 2, so many of the fans were bitching about the characters not talking to each other. Whenever Vaughan gets a script, he makes sure that the characters talk to each other (watch any of his episodes: Confirmed Dead and The Little Prince are good examples). And even in no-BKV episodes, the first episode of the new season set up the rules for time travel in a succinct and efficient way, in less than 5 minutes. I guess you can never please everybody. Or people just don't watch the show and spew out bullshit. Ill go with the latter.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Maybe Peter just wanted to hold Mohinder's hand

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    But touching a girl was all ickey and made him lose control of his powers. That makes the most sense to me. It also makes sense as to why he didn't care about living the Irish chick trapped in the future and everybody used to pick on him about being a Nurse.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    pay ATTENTION!! here's how you know what's up with Peter

    by BadMrWonka

    the conversation with Nathan about the last thing you saw him do. he could fly then. he could fly the whole episode. that doesn't exactly help him as a paramedic, hence his frustration.<p>in the plane, he could fly at the beginning, if he weren't DRUGGED AND TIED DOWN! when he touched Mohinder, he got his super strength (and what always tacitly comes with that, in inability to bruise or break bones in all your hulking out), so he broke free and started beating and tossing the guards. <p>now here's the moment where if you had paid attention, you'd see exactly what the show's writers were hoping you'd see. (apparently they had too much faith in you) when peter slips or something, he accidentally touches Nikki/Jessica's hand, and gets her power. he doesn't seem to notice, so he goes back to fighting, but he throws one punch into the helmet, and realizes it hurts, and didn't do much damage. as in: HE DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER ANYMORE.<p>therefore, one power at a time. seems simple enough.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    I swear

    by Magnum Opus

    They must film 3 hours of footage for each episode. Cutting out 2/3 of the narrative is the only way to imagine it once being a cogent story.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Lame Super Powers

    by Incomplete Gamer

    I remember when this show first started the Kring said that one of his goals was to not have lame super powers. I guess that promise went out the window with that whole killing off characters on a regular basis thing. For the most part I don't really have a problem with most of the powers, but I really don't understand the importance of mother Patrelli. So, she can dream about things that happen in the future? Outside of being able to predict things, I really don't see how this is a useful super power. I suppose it could be good if you want to do nothing more than guess sports scores and always be right about things, but what practical use does it have? I'm not sure I really want to know when I'm going to die, and I certainly don't want to know when and how other people are going to die. Being able to dream the future is really lame. Also lame, Matt's power. Now don't get me wrong, reading people's minds can be useful. And that whole getting inside of people's heads is good, too. But drawing the future? How is that different from Nathan's mother? Also, he's like the third guy to be able to do this. If that's not a sign it's a lame super power then I don't know what is.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    RE: Domi'sInnerChild

    by Incomplete Gamer

    Hang on a minute ... Peter DID leave that girl in the future, didn't he? I completely forgot about that thread. What the hell?!? I'm sure I must just be missing something, maybe there was a scene where that got explained. And since they changed that future (I think) does that means she's not in some terrible trapped existence? Hmm ... I wonder if they'll ever come back to that thread, at this point it would be pointless to. I guess she's just a casualty of Peter's carelessness ... or just terrible writers that can't figure out how to wrap things up. Sorry if this was actually resolved, some of the Heroes details are starting to drip out of my memory.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    yup that Irish chick was left in the plague future...

    by RokurGepta

    I think i remember reading an article somewhere that they are not going to be tying up that loose end

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Incomplete Gamer

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    It was never resolved. Kring felt that no one cared about her, so they will never resolve it.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Irish woman is left in a timeline that no longer exists

    by jccalhoun

    She was stuck in the bad future and then they fixed the future so that the bad future never happened. So she went poof out of existence...

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Those who think it's the audience that got "dumb"

    by Itchy

    are dumb. The writing on this show sucks. The only thing that is worse than the writing is the acting abilities of half the cast. Heroes is sucking for the same reasons Superhero movies in general sucked before the Xmen and Spiderman era: they don't treat their characters as real, or their audience as intelligent. Superpowers should just be a part of the world these characters are in.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST


    by docimian

    lame: hiro without powers. ando with powers. peter 1 at a time. and claire has steadily sucked...and sadly not the right thing.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Isn't Japan an island?

    by tonyd1411

    How does speed girl run onto an ISLAND! DUMB DUMB DUMB

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST


    by docimian

    cant it just be the ass kicking sylar show? that one scene brings back such happy memories of a good long ago.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    the Battlestar Galactica writers can save this show!!

    by Boomers_Lips

    bring them over now!!!

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I'm done with this show

    by GeorgieBoy

    Jeez, two disappointing seasons trying to live up to the greatness of the first. This show is now a waste of time.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST


    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Midway through, turned it off and put a disc of Deadwood in.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    well, no surprises there

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    <p>Sylar continues to be the only thing even slightly compelling about this show, so let's bog him down with freakin' microwave boy. I guess since Ando no longer qualifies as a sidekick they needed another. </p> Why oh why can't I stop watching this absurd twaddle? I'm so ashamed but I can't quit!!

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    That wasn't bad

    by tbransonlives

    I'd call these last two episodes a big improvement

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    I'm digging volume four

    by OfficerJunior

    I think there is still gold to mined from this show. If I took heroes as seriously as some of you posters I'd be pretty upset too. For me heroes has always been a silly sci fi show on broadcast tv. It's eye candy really. Also my two children enjoy it. BTW, who had idiot ball this week?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Holy fuck, this may be the worst show ever.

    by CatVutt


  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Same old Heroes..

    by karmo

    The writing is just bad. And honestly, it kind of always has been. Season 1 was the best, but there were inconsistencies in that season also. Since then, it's just been all downhill. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the show as a sort of guilty pleasure, but the writing is just not that good. The characters' motivations change on a whim, and the powers keep shifting. Hiro had a power, now he doesn't. Ando didn't have a power, now he does. Peter had multiple powers, then he doesn't have any, now it seems that he has one. Sylar's bad, then he's trying to be good, now he's bad again. The same goes for Nathan and HRG. Mohinder was good, then bad, now good again. I think the real power of these heroes is multiple personality disorder. Why have the ratings been falling? Because of the writing. It's hard to get into a show when everything keeps changing and there is such inconsistency. Even the little things get messed up. Before it was confirmed that Peter now has only one power that he gets through touching another hero, I thought to myself "That can't be right because at the end of the last volume he never actually touched Nathan before flying him out of the building". Well I guess that little fact just doesn't matter to the writers. Even during tonight's episode, when Daphne ran to get Ando, the first thought in my head was "Isn't Ando in Japan? How did she run to Japan?" Just this little thing totally took me out of the show. Half the fun of a show like this is trying to figure out what is going to happen next or what a character is going to do, but with this show it is nearly impossible because things can happen without making any sense. There doesn't need to be any real motivation for a character to behave a certain way, nothing needs to make sense, there doesn't need to be any logic or common sense to any of the actions because the writing is just that flawed. I hope things get better, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Heroes is like the Chicago Cubs. Every year the fans think "This is the year that things are going to be better. This is the year they're going to get their shit together and do it right", but every new season seems to end in disappointment. Ultimately, Kring is responsible because he is the captain of this ship, but it just keeps heading for the rocks.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 10:49 p.m. CST

    On the upside

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Flight of the Conchords is still pretty funny.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11 p.m. CST


    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Yes... yest it is.<p> "You don't have to be a prostitute... (no no no no no!)<p>You can say NO to being a "Man Ho"... a male gigolo!<p> You don't have to be-e-e a prostitute... {no no no no no!)<p>You can say no to being a night looker, boy hooker, red boy, bro, ho!<p> He can not see his way out. (I can not see my way out.)<p> He can't see his way out.<p> (Male prostitution seems to be my only option.)"

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    good episode

    by ulcer

    that was coherent and sticking to two basic event/story line instead of jumping in multiple places. What happened? :P

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST


    by DigitalBeachWar

    Maybe because she can run so fast, she can run over water... like a Jesus Lizard. I was thinking the same thing though. So that's what I told myself to believe.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Peter goes Rambo

    by Purgatori

    I'm expecting him to have a bow and arrow and go crazy ass any second. That would be epic. And Little Orphan Matt needs to go.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST


    by funnyhat

    my dvr didnt record the last 3 minutes.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Bob LobLaw

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    "Oh yeah. WOW. Oh you are good at this. OHH. Like a a massage Samurai."

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by Det. John Kimble

    I've been operating under the same delusion.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    For the record

    by mukhtabi

    I thought tonight's episode was tight and solid. I was surprised by the number of fatalities sanctioned, and thought this could wind up a fantastic volume of Heroes.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Bad/Angry Clare sucks

    by aversiontherapy2

    She just can't play those emotions, she needs to stick with sullen and pouty. The whole show is weaving all over the place, I don't know if it's fair to just blame the writers, there's no one at the wheel. I agree that Matt suddenly getting the seeing ability is totally random and ridiculous.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 12:28 a.m. CST

    This season

    by Toonol

    This season is much better than second season.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Better and worse at the same time

    by andrew coleman

    I feel like this is going the right direction. I dug Matt taking control of the soldiers mind and making him shoot the other troops. Cool. About Ando and fast girl well Ando's power boosts her power so she can go anywhere and anytime with Ando. My only problem with this episode was them giving Sylar a side kick. This was really lame and reaching trying to make Sylar a father figure really pissed me off. If they don't kill off the kid soon the show will loose me.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    I disagree with the haters

    by Napoleon Park

    this is the best season of heroes ever. Really. the so called good season one got off to a sluggishly slow start and took about half the season to introduce the characters before it could do anything interesting with them. Sort of like all those superhero movies that waste the first hour recapping the origin story. Two episodes in, this chapter has been very fast paced and very tight so far.<p>Plus, of the twenty or so whiners who were saying how do we know Peter can only have one power at once - well, not only was it obvious last week to people familiar with the superhero genre, but this week he came out and said so. I dare one of you to come out and acknowledge that you were wrong.<p>Funniest line: Ando tells Speedster "We have GPS tracking" and she rolls her eyes and says "Of course you do..."<p>Sylar as a mentor? does anyone doubt he'll kill the kid the second he gets bored or threatened? Though when Microwaif cooked that guy until the juice ran out of him Sylar twitched a little corner of a smile like he was proud of his new little brother or at least saw some potential in him.<p>Having people call claire "The cheerleader" like it's her superhero name seems a little like a desperate attempt to remind people of season one, but I do like the idea of giving more characters code manes. Though I will still always think of Nathan as "Flyguy".<p>Also interesting that they have a character come out and say "Parkman has the Isaac mendes power." Though his water color sketches seem to dry awfully fast without bleeding. But that, as Agent K once said, is minutae.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST


    by Titus05

    for those wondering about Peter's new ability to keep just one power at a time I think tonight's episode clearly spelled that out...he stated his exact new power (to Suresh I think?)

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    re: one power at a time

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    I'd rather have superpowered Peter going apeshit, but I realize that kills any and all possible sanity in the plot.<p>Seems to me, he needs to take Sylar's power. They showed in last season that Sylar can transfer power via empathy like Peter. If Peter takes his power, he'll get the hunger and all that again, but he should be able to start taking everyone's powers by simply being near them again and hold multiple powers at once.<p>So if the formula doesn't give people their old powers back, how is Hiro going to get his power back? Perhaps he won't get time travel this time? I think they're going to do away with the time thing for good this time. Now that Daphne's dead, she can't use Ando to time travel either.<p>Also, she's fast enough to obviously run on top of water.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Re: Nathan

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    Danko or whatever turns on Nathan and HRG and they become good guys again and Danko becomes the real villain. Then again, this show hardly makes sense sometimes. Danko shot one of his own guys to save Claire, why? She can heal anyway. And then he spends the rest of the episode bitching about the men he's lost. Except for that bit, he seems like he'll be the logical next villain once he sees that tape of Tracy talking about Nathan having powers.<p>Sylar's storyline is the only interesting bit. And Peter's if he's going to be getting back his multiple abilities by running into Sylar.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Promo for next week

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    wtf @ claire. why would she so openly put her mother and brother in danger like that?

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:30 a.m. CST

    The only thing more inconspicuous...

    by SuperKeeg

    ...than a plane crash is firing missals at the plane crash. I thought it was jacked up how they just kill off Daphne and Matt doesn't seem to mourn at all. The writers just like killing off non title characters just for the fun of it.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Daphne isn't dead.

    by Det. John Kimble

    The island only lets you die when it's your time to die. Hiro will travel back in time and make her wear a bulletproof vest so she'll wake up and find Bobby in the shower. And Claire shot J.R.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    by slowgraffiti

    Well put.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Peter's Powers

    by Kronus316

    The one power at a time is a pretty weak cop out for the writers inability to write peter a good storyline with him having multiple abilities. The show was built around Peter and Sylar, their being opposites of each other and besides the lame team fight in the season one finale and the future fight, we have never seen the battle between the two that it seemed they were building to. So now we have heroes on the run, Sylar trying to find his dad with a new sidekick (and what happened to his empathy power absorption?). I really wish they would stop having Sylar talk about his feelings every week, it’s really getting old. When are they actually gonna show one of these “heroes” actually being a superhero?

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    You know what? A hater will always be a hater no matter what...

    by Sephiroid

    ... People, tha last 2 episodes have benn a great improvement over previous seasons, and you know it! And for fuck's sake, you whine about plausability? Yeah, and a time travelling island is the most plausible story ever, right? Hypocrites...

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Instead of granting them some praise...

    by Sephiroid

    ...for making the show better, some people here whine about Chuck... Well newsflash for you: Whine all you want! Some other guy fucks the hot blonde secret agent and, oh my, guess what - it ain't you! Sorry if i'm being overly agressive, but at some time hating must come with arguments at least!

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 3:41 a.m. CST

    And please stop with...

    by Sephiroid

    ... the whole "i'm done watching this show" but still coming back every week to whine about it. You don't like, don't watch it and stop complaining about something you don't watch.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    My favorite logical fallacy is...

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    ..."hey! you know that hot ass blonde girl that all guys ceremonially praise, well one guy in the whole world gets to fuck her all the time! And you're a loser! And lame! And you don't get to fuck her! So hah!!! I win!". FAIL.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Oh...and the plausibility of a time traveling island.

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Kronus316....come on now

    by bacci40

    every viewer knew that the writers had painted themselves into a corner by expanding peter's empathic power with that of a sponge...there isnt much that can be done with an all powerful human being...and by having him not use specific powers, he just looked retarded...they tried the stupid, i have amnesia storyline...and that sucked<P>yes, the whole sylar thing is tiring, but that is because kring originally wrote him as a two dimensional baddie that was supposed to die...then the girls fell in love with him and demo conquered all<p>as for the characters acting like superheroes...please, go watch xmen if you want that shit

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    The new Sylar + sidekick thing...

    by champvinyl

    is totally awesome, imo it was the best part of ep2. the writers finally biting the bullet is awesome too. Killing off people, combinging our heroes into a tight knit unit... we basically have a *cough* "Fugitive" superhero team, hopefully they find some way for hiro to gain powers again, I'm tired of worrying he's going to bite it every episode. oh, and i hope that stupid oldman baldass swat guy gets his head chopped in half, not only am i tired of seeing that guy playing the same character on every show... the character is a total douchebag anchor.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    You guys complained about S2. So they changed that for S3. You complained about S3, so when the show came back off hiatus it changed again. And you still complain? <p> Just stop watching.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST

    So nobody can match Syler now?

    by Dazzler69

    Peter was his only match. I thought that the serum jumped Peter's powers back from scratch? Wow this series sucks now.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    maybe they won't have to fight sylar...

    by champvinyl

    ... maybe , gee the writers have thought of a slightly sociopathic anti-hero direction for sylar which would be really fun (think a psychologically broken batman + Rorschach). Plus... Now he has a badboy robin with microwave hands! Maybe they'll cook up some popcorn.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Moratorium on The Word "Hater"

    by Aquatarkusman

    Please, you fucking idiots sound like 12-year-olds.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    My favorite misrepresentation this episode...

    by Celicynd

    Newark, NJ. Since when is it a suburb? lol.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Daphne and more

    by Alientoast

    "How does speed girl run onto an ISLAND! DUMB DUMB DUMB"...Uh, cause she runs so fast that she doesn't break the surface tension? God you people need to just put a tiny bit of thought and/or lay off the hate. So it's awesome when they do the speedster running on water in The Incredibles, but it's dumb in Heroes. Dur? As for the microwave kid, I think they clearly telegraphed the fact he's Sylar's half-brother. Think about it: Troubled kid with a chip on his shoulder, Sylar decides not to kill him, the kid somehow knows where the taxidermist is, the mother's loathing of said taxidermist in an earlier scene. Mark my words, they're related! And ya, Daphne is dead. If you're a cute girl on this show, that's pretty much the kiss of death...they're gonna kill you off shortly.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Even Sonic The Hedgehog can run on water

    by turketron

    There's a lot to nitpick on this show, but you assholes crying about the speedster running on water need to get an imagination...

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    So is Mohinder not narrating anymore?

    by Kevin Holsinger

    Not sure whether that's a good thing or bad thing. On the one hand, I liked it. On the other, Mohinder isn't really the Yoda-type that the narrator is. Usutu would fill the role better.<BR><BR>On a different note, I can see Sylar meeting his dad, not being as evil as Papa Sylar's allegedly going to be, and Sylar's sidekick becomes "the son I never had" to Papa Sylar.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    running on water

    by ulcer

    IMHO she was doing that before in part 1, because she was all over the word, from paris to the US to japan in a few instants. You do know there is water between europe and the US too, right? :P

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    24's overnight rating: 6.1/9. Heroes - 5.1/7

    by Pennsy

    Rating, then share, respectively.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Microwave Boy?

    by HoboCode


  • Feb. 10, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    It's just so damn sloppy these days

    by Bobman46

    I gave it another chance and it's a mess. Claire gets captured and taken to the plane. She escapes, is let go- goes on the plane anyway - WHERE SHE WAS GOING IN THE FIRST PLACE. Then it crashes thanks to some very stupid stuff happening. Then Claire is captured again only to be rescued by the quick girl to end up on a hillside overlooking the baddies base - basically to get the quick girl shot and woooooo Claire is captured AGAIN - SO basically they couldnt find a better way of getting quick girl shot- Claire keep ending up in the same place shes meant to be over and over and it's just such sloppy and lazy writing that I just got up and walked away like I did very soon into the 2nd season. I won't be back this time.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Daphne's not dead; it's Heroes...(SPOILER)

    by Pennsy

    She's in episode 18, supposedly, unless that's a foiler by NBC.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Pick the source of Sylar's Evil Already

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>So first Sylar was evil because of the pressure his mom put on him. Then it was a side-effect of his particular power. Now it's a genetic trait passed down from his father and shared by his brother? Way to focus writers! Still, he's the only thing still worth watching on the show anymore.</p> <p>I don't like that they killed Daphane since she was more interesting than most of the regulars put together.</p> <p>I also hate the redefinition of powers. Obviously the writers were trying to respond to complaints that Peter and Hiro were too powerful. Ok, fine. If you want to deal with that, just kill them off. They were only cool because of their powers to begin with. And you can use that to fuel a real plot. If you had, say, Sylar kill off Peter and Hiro, then the rest of the heroes would have a halfway decent plot to rally around. They could then all team up and find a way to kill off Sylar. Instead, they wanted to do a pathetic Guantanamo allegory.</p> <p>Oh and Matt painting the future makes my brain hurt. Is that really necessary? Having him use his actual powers should be all he needs. Fuller can't come quick enough. In fact, they should probably just cancel the next three episodes.</p>

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    billypilgrimisunstuck... "fail"?

    by Sephiroid

    ...what next? a "pwned ya n00b"?

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by SuperKeeg

    ...why would a bullet to the base of Claire's skull kill her? How would they know it, and why wouldn't it just heal?

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    SuperKeeg - it was discussed earlier

    by AdrianVeidt the season. It comes from the stick that was stuck in her head in season 1.<p>Last night made me feel good about this season.<p>But 24 made me feel even better.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Also, Heroes = Laundry Time

    by AdrianVeidt

    I do my laundry while Heroes is on. But when Lost is on, I am on the edge of my couch, studying every set piece, movement, and word. That is the difference between the intelligence of these shows.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    So much to hate in one tiny little episode

    by OptimusPrimeTime

    ...made smaller by my TiVo missing the ending. Anyone else find it hilarious that the guy who just switched from hero to villain is talking about how 'unpredictable' the most predictable person on the cast is supposed to be? Or the way they telegraphed that Hiro is going to get his powers back and find a way to bring Daphne back? Or that I was getting an X-Men movie Magneto/Pyro vibe from Sylar and the kid _before_ they showed Firestar's power. (Nice touch switching from the fire mutant to the mutant who has 'fire' in her name....nobody's going to catch on.) It's like the show's plotlines are created via mad libs. Can we just start showing the Fuller episodes already?

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    I went to school in Russellville, Arkansas...

    by jbrinegar

    ...and that was definitely not Russellville. Just saying....hurry up Fuller

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Another Hater Heard From.

    by Homer Sexual

    Another weak episode last night, with lots of stupid developments yet very little forward movement in the plot. But I keep watching because I continue to hope it will get better.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Mohinders driving a cab again eh?

    by optimus122

    And he just happens to be going by when Pete flags one down lol. Now Pete can get new powers but he loses the one he has when he gets a new one. Fast girl can walk on water..claire makes a terrible warrior..she has no skills besides making older men want to bend her over.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Ennnh, HEROES is still better than FRINGE

    by SpyGuy

    Not by much, mind you, but at least HEROES can keep my interest, unlike FRINGE which causes extreme drowsiness so do not operate heavy machinery.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I like Fringe

    by optimus122

    I like Anna Torv too , she's got a nice look to her. She's not Jennifer Garner in the acting department yet but she's pretty hot with a nice bod and a decent presence on the screen. I know most of you disagree but this is AICN so it doesn't matter.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST


    by Oldnewbie

    Did I miss something? Since when will a bullet fired directly into the back of the head of Claire or Sylar kill them?? Or is this just another blunder by the writers?

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    So Nathan wants to keep his power a secret...

    by Executor

    But wants to imprison everyone who KNOWS his secret, so they will shout it out and tell everyone.<p>SMMMMAAAAAAAART FUCKING PLAN PETRELLI!!!!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    And why the writing sucks...

    by Executor

    It's because the writers come up with a "plot" and try to shoehorn their characters into it, instead of allowing the characters to develop the plot based on who they are and their powers. (Hence, why everyone has constantly shifting powers and fit their "story.")<p>If you look at the powers everyone currently has, the next logical step...why not have Parkman mind control Nathan and have him STOP EVERYTHING. And then, writers, you can figure out how to have Nathan (or Mama P, or whoever) stop the good guys. See? Protagonists make a move, antagonists counter, vice versa.<p>Instead, the guys are going to arm themselves with machine guns or go to the "secret lair" and make a lame attack plan. <p>Sigh, and most of you guys were for supporting the WGA and giving them more money. LOL.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    So why didn't Parkman

    by Itchy

    just get inside everyone's heads and make them think there was no one in that clearling ? Why didn't Daphne speedster in and carry everyone out of there 1 by 1 instead of standing there with a target on her chest ? If Ando is the supercharger, why doesn't Peter "supercharge" with him and see if it will allow him to absorb more than one power at a time ? If Mohinder is super strong, why didn't he just carry the RV over there and use it as a shield ? All this show gives me is headaches and more questions. Such as, does Daphne's super power only allow her to run fast, or if I were to fuck her, would she be able to ride me super fast, which could be cool ? And if Claire can't feel pain and heals instantly, does that mean every time I bang her in that cheerleader outfit, it's like hitting a virgin ? And would she be totally down with anal ?

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Return to bad writing

    by Lane_myers111

    Although still an improvement on the season 2 and first half season three this was a badly written episode. Things i liked were,All the Sylar stuff,have no problem with microwave boy. I guessed he had a power but was hoping it was better than microwave heat production. I had a sneaky suspicion he was gonna just get up from the chair showing he had powers comparable to Sylars,that would have been cool. Matt finally putting his mind abilities to good use. Remember how powerful his dad was,and he defeated his dad. Theyve ruined his character. Claire is now so annoying she has to go. The arguments she has with Her step dad about him being evil and asking "how can you do it?" are excruciating.Weve sen them have the same identical exchange about 15 times. Sorry but not happy with one power peter. He was an exciting character before now hes a bit dull. You all keep saying he was god like and indestructable but he had weaknesses and im sure they could have brought in special powered characters that were adversaries for him. What about a few super powered members of a family whose genetics mean that peter cant absorb them. Or a character who controls his mind completely. They didnt have to strip him off his powers. They could even slowly turned him into a Dr Manhattan state of mind where he no longer felt connected to the human race so refuses to play any part in there affairs. Hiro with no powers again is meaningless. Are they now going to give him his powers back by him getting another sword.FUCK ME that "sword for his powers" story was the absolute shittest part of season one(except the finale). The whole point is that the powers are GENETIC!!!. Why would daphne take ando so close to the crash site. Isnt she meant to have the powers of the flash,Imagine how easily the Flash would have sorted those guards. She could have taken all the guards 100 miles away one by one until none were left. Or even stole a gun of one and shot them all in a few seconds. When you saw them all together at the end (listening to that unbelievably bad monologue Peter was giving) were you not thinking,this group is the worst collection of feebly powered "Heroes" ever assembled.One can Fly,one has super strength but is vunerable to bullets,one can do nothing unless hes got a toy sword,one can super charge other powers and one can paint pictures and do the Jedi mind trick.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    And just kick Ali larter to the kirb

    by Lane_myers111

    for fuck sake please let that be the last we see of Ali Larter. Shes been a dead weight on this show since the first episode.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    I like FRINGE as well

    by Drath

    And right now, it's doing way better than Heroes at keeping my interest. Can't speak for it a season from now, just as I could not have predicted how shitty Heroes has gotten, but them's the breaks.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    What annoys me most....

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Is that every single interesting secondary character that has come along in the past three seasons has been killed. Daphne, Pa Patrelli, Shovel man, Kensai. But all of the old annoying primary characters are still around. Nathan, Tracy, Mohinder. WHHHYYYYY???!!!!! The same seven people are boring the fuck out of me. I'm done. PS. I love how when the 'Heroes' don't know what to do, someone paints the future to tell them what to do. Horrible.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST


    by bluebalrog

    RETARD MUTHAFUCKIN 'WRITERS' GET TO TYPE WORDS THAT BECOME AN ACTUAL BROADCASTED TELEVISION SHOW...HEY MORONS THAT RUN THE ASYLUM aka NBC! - WAKE THE FUCK UP, TAKE A BREATHER, AND GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER ON THIS FUCKING SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP MAKING REFERENCES TO THE SHOW'S PAST MYTHOLOGY ie. "He has Isaac's ability" in regards to Parkman's prescient painting, yet skims over Peter's previous ability to absorb and accumulate powers, not this lame - ass "get one, lose the last one" bullshit..?! Who ARE you dumb motherfuckers writing this shit, and more importantly, who are you dumb motherfuckers that are approving these maggot-riddled scripts to go to camera? FUCK OFF!!!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    my apologies...

    by bluebalrog

    to my brethren genre fans for the rantatious tone of that post, but it is indescribably abhorrent to me that this show continues to exist in this haphazard, arbitrary's like some piss-poor first year film student is at the controls without a fucking clue what to's almost enough to make me weep..not for "Heroes" sake, per se, but for the fact that whoever the fucktards are at the controls that allow this travesty to continue in the way it does, are in a position to accomplish their nefarious objective of floating grade AAA shit down the viewing audience's throat thinking only "it's called Heroes, so not only will they take it, they'll say Please sirs, we'd like some more." These cocksuckers.

  • Feb. 10, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    and one more thing..

    by bluebalrog

    yeah, i'm only posting this bileous opinion tonight because i didn't get a chance to watch this shitstacle until tonight.

  • Feb. 11, 2009, 4:52 a.m. CST


    by Oomlot

    I love the way people bitched that Peter was too powerful and he needed to be nerfed, so he gets nerfed, and not in an unreasonable way, god only knows what losing all your powers one way, and getting them back via totally different means, might do to them. And yet they bitch about his powers. Honestly, do people just watch this show now to be mean about it on the internet?

  • Feb. 11, 2009, 7 a.m. CST

    oomlot..., on this site: Yes.

    by champvinyl

    Aicn was/is stereotypically the site that allowes talkbackers to shoot down and shit on whatever they want (just look at "jay and silent bob strike back" for proof of that.) There are at least a couple dozen regular posters in talkbacks here that shit on stuff randomly and for totally retarded reasons... Heroes is more solid than ever and the people hating on it are, i think, just bitching because the series didn't take the direction *they* had thought of. Hay guess what!?!? You're not the writers of the show!! So STFU! If you have nothing decent to say.

  • Feb. 11, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST


    by champvinyl

    Danko needs to pay... Big.

  • Feb. 11, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    noah bennett "you have no idea how deep this goes!"

    by bluebalrog

    into the fetid swamp of my rectum? another grand mysterious pronouncement that will have all the payoff of a hesitant handjob from a nervous virgin...please save this show from itself bryan fuller.

  • Feb. 11, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    To whom it may concern...

    by Hutch822127

    Watching all these boring heroes episodes really makes me want an X-men series/tv show. I'm not really sure what is stopping Marvel from doing an excellent show such as this one. The wealth of good ideas from the comics could surely create a successful TV show that could run for at least 15 seasons. Clearly, they have the technology and budget now. Season one: Have Professor X start the Xmen with the original five. By season 3 or 4, they could be in serious danger, so they introduce the much anticipated Logan. I could go on and on from all the awesome plots they could get out of those comics. They could grab the viewers attention by slowly unraveling the story and slowly spacing out the introduction of characters. I just don't understand why it is taking so freakin' long to get this show made. You just can't fit the whole thing in a 2 hour movie.

  • Feb. 11, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    LOST talkback starts here

    by Crow3711

    Until they put on a real TB later, lets hi-jack this crappy Heroes one. This show sucks. Who thinks the smoke monster is gonna rape himself some Frenchmen tonight?

  • Feb. 11, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST


    by wixmmm

    phillipisking: i think you've been saying that whole season/volume 4 point every week. I got news for you, it is volume 4, but it is season 3. They call it season for so they can promote the 'season finale' of volume 3 and then the 'season premiere' of voiume 4 and eventually 'season finale' its a thinly veiled attempt to get viewers back on board.

  • Feb. 11, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Yeah, and what the fuck is up with the sword?

    by _Maltheus_

    Didn't Sulu make the point to Hero that the sword had nothing to do with his powers? And now he thinks a sword is going to bring them back? WTF? NBC needs to go suck it!

  • Feb. 11, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Save The Shark

    by Pancho Straight<p>petition to save the old Jump the Shark web site. TV Guide paid for the name, then took down the site with a decade of comments. They Kirby Plaza'd it good - totally nuked the fridge.