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Rorschach's Mask Production Diary!

Published at: Feb. 7, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST by headgeek

Hey folks, Harry here... I love the behind the scenes on how they brought this sucker to life. Rorschach's mask is the coolest thing there is from the WATCHMEN universe. I love its origin in the book. Here ya go...





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  • Feb. 7, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by fractaljinn

    :D

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    WOAH!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Best production featurette yet! Very cool! Man I can't wait for this movie! I think I may be anticipating this film more than I was The Dark Knight!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    From the visionary director of 300

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Rorschach with the meat cleaver...

    by KnightShift

    ...proves that Snyder "gets" this book. That's gonna be a hella intense scene in the movie, I'll wager.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Looks decent.

    by Kizeesh

    I still think I'll like this.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    The more Snyder talks

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    The more I think he gets it. Now pardon me as I don my flame resistant asbestos suit.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    *obvious* deviations from the graphic novel aside

    by vaudeville villain

    (which will remain nameless), seeing the painstaking level of detail they're applying to the things that *are* in the story has to get a watchmen fan giddy. looks absolutely stunning.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Man Rorshach is going to be bad ass!

    by zooch

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    The more Snyder talks

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    The more I think he gets it. Now pardon me as I don my flame resistant asbestos suit.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Shame he dies though :/

    by Judge_Dredd

    I judge that sad :(

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    I need a time machine to get me to March.

    by Judge_Dredd

    I'm annoyed at waiting so long.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Also need a gun to kill fractaljinn

    by Judge_Dredd

    Little piss ant.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Optimistic (which is a bad sign)

    by CoolFrood

    The key to enjoyment is low expectations, but dammit I cannot help but have high hopes for this movie. :-(

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    To squid or not to squid

    by xile1c

    Is it in the movie or what?? And what could possibly replace it effectively if it isn't?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for this!

    by THE KNIGHT

    I'll be there opening night on 68th and broadway! IMAX baby!

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    No 'Actor James Whitmore dies' story?

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    orionsangels

    by THE KNIGHT

    it's on the main page. Frank Darabont gives a few words.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Orionsangels is blind

    by BYOBkenobi

    Darabont eulogizing the man is about as class as you could get. Read it.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Knighthift

    by Franco Begbie

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I like you too JUDGE DREDD!

    by fractaljinn

    :D

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    er... and indeed KnightShift

    by Franco Begbie

    I don't see how the fact that he's decided to shoot one of the scenes that was in the book proves that he "gets" it. How low must your expectations be if you're that pleased he hasn't cut one of the key episodes from the story?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Jeebus titty fucking christ

    by Nuck81

    I'm so sick and tired of hearing people bitch about the god damn squid. Be thankful that's the biggest thing to bitch about. And most of the loser faggots doing the bitching are not even fans they're just fucking losers who latched on to something that can be negative about the adaptation. Get a life you fat greasy fucks

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    too short

    by bacci40

    this is really bugging me...kovacs is short, rorshach (because of the lifts) is avg height<p> why couldnt they have used camera tricks to make rorshach taller?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Orionsangels can see now!!! Praise the lord Hallelujah!

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Enough with the squid bollocks now.

    by Gabba-UK

    I love Watchman as much as the next geek, but I always knew the squid would just look bloody silly in film form. The movie is going to seen by the masses. As geeks we love and understand the squid. But the masses that unfamiliar with the original material just won't get the concept of a pychic death spasam from a geneticaly enginneered alien frying the brains of everyone in New York. But they do get nukes and how big a bang they make. Which of course makes the CGI money shot of New York in ruins easier to portray. As long as the concept of a world threatening apocolypse is conveyed in a meaningful manner for Viehts plan to work then I'll be happy.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    3-06-09 Can't Get Here Soon Enough

    by grievenom

    Watchmen is gonna rock.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Dr. Manhattan Is My Favorite Character

    by LaserPants

    I kinda hate Rorshach, actually. He's a GREAT character, but he's a total asshole right wing nutjob. I can relate to Dr. Manhattan. I totally get where he is coming from, can totally relate how he feels disconnected from everything and basically just wants to escape and be left alone.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    CG effects created in Houdini

    by rmagee

    One of the companies that worked on the masks used a software called Houdini. I work at the company that makes this amazing piece of software which is often used in movies to tackle the most challenging shots. You can get a free version of Houdini to use for personal projects at the company's website. If you are into animation or visual effects then it is worth taking a look at: http://www.sidefx.com/apprentice There is also a contest to win free software if you add CG into one of two live action shots: http://www.sidefx.com/contest/

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Fuck. I'd tuck rorschach's cock into my own pants.

    by Stengah

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Alan Moore

    by Bill Brasky

    is a total douche bag for not wanting to even see this movie. Hey Alan! Nobody gives a FUCK that you are boycotting this film! You are a sorry-ass loser and I am honestly surprised that these ideas came from your drug-addled brain.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Total Left-Wing Moon Bats

    by Bill Brasky

    LaserPants "feels disconnected from everything and basically just wants to escape and be left alone." I'm not shocked that he doesn't like "total asshole right wing nutjob"s. LaserPants! I love it! Thanks for making your politics so clear.<p>I'm glad that you want to be left alone. No problem with that.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Rorschach dies?!?

    by kafka07

    why did you have to remind me? I was trying to forget so I'd be surprised during the movie :)

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    If Rorschach ran for President, I'd finally vote Republican

    by dr sauch

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Bill Brasky....how many times do we have to cover this?

    by bacci40

    moore decided, after seeing how hollywood treated his works, to have nothing to do with adaptations<p> while he originally felt that watchmen could be adapted into film, over the years, he has come to believe that he created it never to be adapted into another medium<p> he had no control over the original work (warners does) and he has given all royalties to gibbons<p> he is not being an ass<p> as you may recall, when v for vendetta was about to be released that hack, silver, said that moore had given his blessings to and loved the project....silver never even spoke to moore, and was using him to sell the movie, and this was after warners told moore they would not do such a thing<p> after that, moore had written into every contract that his name could not be attached to future movie projects

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Looks like Rorschach doesn't put a cigarette in that one kid's e

    by successor

    Shame. So you can shoot a pregnant woman in cold blood and you can psychically blow up a VC soldier in the trailer, but putting out a cigarette in a kid's eye is a no no. Hollywood sure has a strange sense of morality, or lack thereof.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    One kid's eye

    by successor

    Damn talkback.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    bacci40 thanks for the explanation

    by Immortal_Fish

    Even though I have no idea what warranted it. Your efforts did nothing to invalidate Brasky's opinion, which I share wholeheartedly. The only thing he left out was "pedophilic."

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    RORSHACH DIDNT DIE

    by ominus

    jesus christ guys.have u read the GN novel at all? or you just passed quickly the pretty images and since then u only remember how rorshachs mask is the ..coolest thing from the watchmen universe..? <p>Dr Manhattan didnt kill rorsharch.he killed Kovaks.there is a reason he pulled off his mask,before Manhattan making his move.The meaning of this action of his,is explained through Kovaks narration to the psychiatrist,during his stay at the prison. next time pay more attention when u r reading a work of art.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    the point is that kovaks died,not rorsharch.

    by ominus

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    its called characterization

    by ominus

    for rorshach it is important this action of his and it does have a difference for him. you and i, who are outside of the imaginary worlds context,we can even assume that rorsharch didnt die because he never existed really,since he is a fictional character.but then again thats not the true point of the art.or is it?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    I'll be in London on 3.6.9 for work

    by Sebilrazen

    Anybody know if it's a worldwide release?

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    nevermind

    by Sebilrazen

    I should have asked The Google, yes it's a worldwide release on day 0

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    successor, where are you getting this idea?

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    From the little snippets we see? There's not enough there to know what he does or doesn't do. *Sigh.* People, please. Give it a rest until you see the entire film. THEN you can go on your geeky tirades; such as, "I can't believe they left out the splotch of mustard that dripped on my copy of WATCHMEN when I was 12!! WWAAAAHH!! Snyder doesn't care about me, er... the fans!!!"

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Apparently at a convention today they showed the scene

    by FluffyUnbound

    ...where Rorsharch burns the guy in the chow line at prison. And it features a nice face melt.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Hey, Laserpants is right!

    by Continentalop

    I'm not here to defend LaserPants, but he is right about his assessment of Rorshach. The guy is a total right-wing nut-job, emphasis on the words total and nut-job. It isn't so much that he is "right wing" (more like fascist) as mach as that he is an absolutist who's belief system is so far right that Pat Buchanan would tell him to "lighten up a little." The guy is a firm believer of Objectivism and has such a uncompromising view of the world that it downright insane. <p> Yes he is a great character, but in the same way Travis Bickle is. I could see someone telling me they find Rorshach interesting, but if someone told me he wishes he was Rorshach I would think the guy has a couple screws loose and missed the point of the character completely.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    kurtlockwood.

    by Gabba-UK

    I take your point and agree with it. I also hate it when films treat the audience as stupid and love films that treat them as having an IQ higher than that of a used tampon. Having said that a lot of people are stupid when it comes to film. How else do you explain that people actually paid to see the recent remake of Day the Earth Stood Still? The more that is spent on film, there will be more chance of some dumbing down to get as great a range of bums on seats. Sad but true. As long as they've kept to spirit of the books ending and kept Viehts famous line, I'll be happy. And I still maintain that filmicly but not on paper, the squid would just look silly. It's not a question of well it can be rendered in CGI, it would just look stupid.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    I wonder what the prequel/sequel will be like?

    by Bob Cryptonight

    You KNOW it will happen if the movie is a hit. Someone is going to try and write a second movie.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    A sequel

    by Larry Sellers

    would make Alan Moore shit. Seriously. He would kill himself.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    the tie-in video game is a prequel

    by WickedJacob

    its not that hard to think of a story. They are supposed to be comic book characters, after all, so their very existence implies multiple adventures. The danger is, of course, that any prequel/sequel movie will forget the themes of the book and just treat them as batman/green arrow clones.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    KurtLockwood, I'll relax...

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    ...but I won't like it. *Mumbles something about kids and lawns and leaves for the bowling alley.*

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    It's not a WW release on 3/6

    by dtpena

    It's released on 3/5 in Chile :)

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I honestly don't think..

    by smatt584

    ..warner brothers would have greenlit this with the squid, why else would every script Snyder had read have thrown it out? (as Snyder has been previously quoted saying) I just don't think they would spend this kind of money and effort on what is still considered by many as an obscure property with the original finale still intact. The theaters would fucking burst out laughing. Of course, now if he can't pull it off, "nuking the fridge" or "jumping the shark" might forever be known as "dropping the squid".

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by bacci40

    people have been bitching about moore since day one of production...and they get it wrong<p> he has no control of the material and has made it very clear that he wants nothing to do with any adaptations of his works

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by bacci40

    people have been bitching about moore since day one of production...and they get it wrong<p> he has no control of the material and has made it very clear that he wants nothing to do with any adaptations of his works

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    18 minutes were shown at ny comic con

    by bacci40

    and for those that didnt want an exact replication of the comic...rejoice...it isnt<p> but is that a good thing? i dont think so<p> as was noted by the spies who saw an early cut, there is a real fight scene between veidt (as unkown assailant) and blake<p>alot of history is compacted during the credits (leading to again question why the island backstory couldnt have been left in)<p> and they showed the scene where rorshach throws hot oil in the other cons face...and here is where zach changes up rorshach/kovacs<p> instead of rorshach stating to the inmates "you dont understand, im not in here with you, you are in here with me", zach has kovacs scream the line....now that shows at least 2 scenes where zack makes changes that show he doesnt get it

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    KurtLockwood...same argument as used in ff2

    by bacci40

    people wouldnt buy a giant dude in a purple suit<p> christ, they had already spent one and a half movies watching a dude who bursts into flame, a rock dude and a guy who can stretch all parts of his body....but they wont buy a giant dude in a big purple suit? but they would buy a silver guy from space who flies around on a cosmic surfboard<p> what zack, the suits and all the people who went to see dark knight seem to miss, is that these characters arent being transported into our realm of conciousness...we are viewing an alternate reality, one that has familiar places and people, but still an alternate reality....where, as moore showed, starro the conquerer, would be a site nastier than he was in the original jla

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    If you watch the clip carefully

    by successor

    You'll see that neither kid is smoking a cigarette, nor is any cigarette visible. Also, that one kid is holding his crotch like he just got kicked in the nuts. And his two eyes are quite clearly intact just before Rorschach hits him with something that looks like a purse. So unless a cigarette appears somewhere in there, I think you can safely conclude that the scene has been changed. Not that I'm throwing a big hissy about it, mind you, but I thought it would have been nice to have the same scene from the comic.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Rorshach is not a Facist

    by ZombieHunter

    He's uncompramising in his principles. He believes there is right and wrong, no grey inbetween. He sees everything in black and white. He's based after the Question, and Ditko was a strong believer in a philosophy called Objectivism and it reflects in his characters like The Question and Mr. A. Facisim is all about the state running every aspect of peoples lives and business.

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    fans in sf and los angeles

    by bacci40

    on feb 17, gibbons to be appearing in sf apple store 7pm one stockton street, snyder and effects sup des jardin to appear same day, same time at santa monica third street prominade apple store...dont know if they are taking questions

  • Feb. 7, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    bacci

    by FluffyUnbound

    The problem with having Rorsharch whisper/mumble/intone his line is because that can only work in a comic, where you're reading what he's saying. In a film, if you attempt to reproduce a scene in a prison cafeteria where two inmates are in a confrontation and one of them burns the other with searing hot fat, there's NOISE. Prisoners are yelling, the burned guy is screaming and moaning, there's commotion as people move around to see what's happening, guards are running over, etc. etc. etc. Rorsharch has to raise his voice to be heard. I bet he also doesn't whisper his lines in the prison riot scenes. Because even if he did so in the comic, it would be absurd for him to do it in the movie.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    FluffyUnbound

    by bacci40

    go to the bloggers who went to the con panel...to a man, they say "rorshach loses it"...that misses the character of rorshach...it fits the character of batman from the time burton film though...remember when he has wayne going nuts with the joker? thats cuz wayne is playing crazy when he puts on the suit<p> rorshach, however, is sociopathic...totally at calm with who he is and what he must do<p> and i do not accept the noise factor...they give awards to sound crews for a reason...rorshach stating something that only the guards can hear can easily be done, even with crowd noise<p>and i will say this again...it bugs me that snyder chose not to use either lifts or camera tricks to make the masked rorshach taller<p> i know that im nitpicking, but i believe that the book, more than many other novels presents things for a reason

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Thanks Continentalop

    by LaserPants

    At last, the voice of reason. Cheers!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Alan Moore is currently penning the prequel

    by BurnHollywood

    For a nanosecond you actually believed me, didn't you?

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Bacci

    by smatt584

    I was always under the impression that he yells it to all the inmates, not whisper it. He was saying it to the inmates as he's being dragged away by the guards. And your actually wrong about Kovacs, he looses it a few times in the book, such as when he's arrested, as well as at the end, all three times show, close-up, Kovacs losing it.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    smatt584

    by bacci40

    read the section again...it never says "yells"...i didnt say whisper, growl or stutter...i said he states it, matter of factly<p> ya, rorshach loses it when they take off his mask, for the kovacs persona is the fake one...in prison, everone sees him as rorshach, so he behaves as rorshach<p>he loses it at the death scene, because he becomes kovacs again<p> it is neccessary to show the difference<p>rorshach is a calm psychopath...kovacs is a little man filled with inadequacies<p> if the movie misses that, many will watch and wonder what is the big deal with the character<P> and just so you guys dont think im a hater, ive been supporting snyder since he started the project, when the first clips of 300 came out...i think he does have a love for the book, but i think he, like many others, miss the nuance that moore put into scenes and characters

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    As someone raised Keaton's Batman...

    by yiannis

    ... have people on here read the Sam Hamm Watchmen script from the 80s (same screenwriter as Burton's first Batman)? It's readily available online with just a quick google of "Sam Hamm Watchmen script".<br><br>I think it is absolutely VITAL that every person on these talkbacks reads it, irrespective of whether they are pro-squid, anti-squid, pro-Snyder, anti-Snyder, or whatever. If you have read the GN, if you are planning on seeing this movie, you MUST read this script...<br><br>... so that nobody is in any doubt as to how horribly bad an adaptation of Watchmen COULD HAVE BEEN.<br><br>Trust me, reading this script suddenly makes all the supposed "inadequacies" of Snyder's film pale into utter and complete significance.<br><br>Even if Snyder does, as Bacci says, "miss the nuance" (let's face it, even the most forgiving and understanding of fans will still bemoan the loss of some small detail that stood out for them in the GN), he still appears to have got the heart and soul of the story intact and, in case people forget, he's had to fight like a bastard in order to keep that. He's had to fight because the Hollywood powers-that-be don't care for nor understand the story they are making, the ultimate example of which is the Sam Hamm script.<br><br>If anyone is unlikely to be able to read the script due to real life commitments over the next month, or if anyone is just too lazy to do so - don't worry, you can be honest on that one! - let me know as I have already written a script review for a previous talkback and it would not be hard for me to copy and paste it into this talkback.<br><br>Please, though, make the effort if you can. Everyone is always defensive about their favourite properties when Hollywood snaps them up and is always willing to see the worst in any adaptation, but it is important to realise EXACTLY what "worst" means when talking about adapting Watchmen to the screen.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Squid in Watchmen=Megatron transforming into a Gun

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    = Giant-Planet-Eating-Guy-in-a-Purple-Suit-with-goofy-looking-Hat in Fantastic Four. <p> THEY. ALL. DON'T. WORK. ON. BIG. SCREEN. <p> Some concepts are DOA when rendered live - Regardless of however much CGI you throw at them.Whatever else those studios got wrong in those movies (and they got a lot wrong), they certainly made the right call in all those cases and in this case as well. Just because something worked on a comic panel when you read it in the eighties (or a cartoon you watched as a kid) doesn't mean it will translate well into Big screean realized in Live action. And the studios also have to consider the fact that they'll be trying to appeal to a potential new set of audience and fans that were never familiar with the source material and don't have the nostalgic level of denial that you guys obviously suffer from. You dumbfuck whiners need to get that through your thick heads. so give it a rest already or do the rest of us a favor and make good on your useless promise to boycott this movie.....and all its talkbacks.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Doh!

    by yiannis

    That last word of the 4th paragraph should very obviously be INsignificance!!!!<br><br>Way to blow your whole point with a typo, yiannis!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Hey Zach!

    by Ozzie_H

    The alien squid would have been nice for the movie for my own benefit, but that part of the story would have been misunderstood by the general audiance, so I understand. The appearance of that giant squid solidified a global truce between two super powers in the world and through that catastrophe, world peace had been achieved. I hope Zach's ending has that same message.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Its cool Yiannis.

    by Ozzie_H

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Comedian

    by Ozzie_H

    I've got tear gas! I got rubber bullets!

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Sam Hamm's Mid 90's Watchmen Script!!!!

    by Bill Brasky

    Christian Bale: KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS!<p>Shane Hurlbut: Christian, Christian –<p>Bale: I want you off the fucking set you prick!<p>Shane: Christian, I'm sorry.<p>Bale: No, don't just be sorry, think for one fucking second. What the FUCK are you DOING ? Are you professional or not?<p>Shane: Yes I am.<p>Bale: Do I fucking walk around and rip down –<p>Bruce Franklin: Christian, Christian –<p>Bale: No, shut the fuck up Bruce! Do I want - no! No! Don't shut me up.<p>Franklin: I'm not shutting you up.<p>Bale: Am I going to walk around and rip your fucking lights down, in the middle of a scene? Then why the fuck are you walking right through? Ah da da dah, like this in the background. What the fuck is it with you? What don't you fucking understand?<p>Shane: (inaudible)<p>Bale: You got any fucking idea about, hey, it's fucking distracting having somebody walking up behind Bryce in the middle of the fucking scene? Give me a fucking answer! What don't you get about it?<p>Shane: I was looking at the light.<p>Bale: Ohhhhh, goooood for you. And how was it? I hope it was fucking good, because it's useless now, isn't it?<p>Shane: Ok.<p>Bale: Fuck-sake man, you're amateur. McG, you got fucking something to say to this prick?<p>McG: I didn't see it happen.<p>Bale: Well, somebody should be fucking watching and keeping an eye on him.<p>McG: Fair enough.<p>Bale: It's the second time that he doesn't give a FUCK about what is going on in front of the camera, alright? I'm trying to fucking do a scene here, and I am going "Why the fuck is Shane walking in there? What is he doing there?" Do you understand my mind is not in the scene if you're doing that?<p>Shane: I absolutely apologize. I'm sorry, I did not mean anything by it.<p>Bale: Stay off the fucking set man. For fuck-sake. Alright, let's go again.<p>McG: Let's just take a minute.<p>Bale: Let's not take a fucking minute, let's go again. And have YOU fucking walking in! Can I have Tom put this on please.<p>Franklin: Can I have Tom in wardrobe please? Can I have Tom in wardrobe?<p>Bale: You're unbelievable, you're un-fucking-believable. Number of times you're strolling-a-fucking around in the background. I've never had a DP behave like this. Ehhh…you don't fucking understand what it's like working with actors, that's what that is.<p>Shane: No, that's – Bale: That's what that is man, I'm telling you. I'm not asking, I'm telling you. You wouldn't have done that otherwise.<p>Shane: No, what it is, is looking at the light and making sure, that you are, ugh –<p>Bale: I'M GOING TO FUCKING KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS IF YOU DON'T SHUT FOR A SECOND! ALRIGHT?<p>Unknowns: Christian, Christian. It's cool.<p>Bale: I'm going to go…Do you want me to fucking go trash your lights? DO YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING TRASH YOUR? Then why are you trashing my scene?<p>Shane: I'm not trying to trash your scene.<p>Bale: You are trashing my scene!<p>Shane: Christian, I was only –<p>Bale: You do it one more fucking time and I ain't walking on this set if you're still hired. I'm fucking serious. You're a nice guy. You're a nice guy, but that don't fucking cut it when you're bullshitting and fucking around like this on set.<p>McG: Alright, I know, let's, let's — (inaudible) –<p>Bale: Yeah, you might get it. He doesn't fucking get it.<p>McG: I got it, I know. I get it. I get it. I know.<p>Bale: You might. He. Does. Not. Get It.<p>McG: We made good adjustments. For real, honestly. I get it. Just walk for five seconds.<p>Bale: No, I don't need any fucking walking. He needs to stop walking.<p>McG: I get that –<p>Bale: I ain't the one walking. Let's get Tom and put this back on and let's go again. Seriously man, you and me, we're fucking done professionally. Fucking ass.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST

    No, that was Sam Hamm's Batman script...

    by Bill Brasky

    HERE IS SAM HAMM's WATCHMENT SCRIPT!!!!<p><p><p>RORSCHACH: "Hrmmmm…Like a Virgin" is all about a girl who digs a guy with a big dick. The whole song is a metaphor for big dicks.<p> OZYMANDIAS:No it's not. It's about a girl who is very vulnerable and she's been fucked over a few times. Then she meets some guy who's really sensitive-- <p> RORSCHACH: --Whoa...whoa...time out Greenbay. Tell that bullshit to the tourists. COMEDIAN: (looking through his address book) Toby...who the fuck is Toby? Toby...Toby...think...think... think... <p> RORSCHACH: It's not about a nice girl who meets a sensitive boy. Now granted that's what "True Blue" is about, no argument about that.<p> SILK SPECTRE: Which one is "True Blue? <p> DR. MANHATTAN: You don't remember "True Blue?" That was a big ass hit for Madonna. Shit, I don't even follow this Tops In Pops shit, and I've at least heard of "True Blue.” <p> SILK SPECTRE: Look, asshole, I didn't say I ain't heard of it. All I asked was how does it go? Excuse me for not being the world's biggest Madonna fan. <p> MOLOCH THE MYSTIC: I hate Madonna. <p> OZYMANDIAS: I like her early stuff. You know, "Lucky Star," "Borderline" - but once she got into her "Papa Don't Preach" phase, I don't know, I tuned out. <p> RORSCHACH: RORSCHACH: Hey, fuck all that, I'm making a point here. You're gonna make me lose my train of thought. <p> COMEDIAN: Oh fuck, Toby's that little china girl. <p> NIGHT OWL: What's that? <p> COMEDIAN: I found this old address book in a jacket I ain't worn in a coon's age. Toby what? What the fuck was her last name? <p> RORSCHACH: Where was I? <p> SILK SPECTRE: You said "True Blue" was about a nice girl who finds a sensitive fella. But "Like a Virgin" was a metaphor for big dicks. <p> RORSCHACH: Let me tell ya what "Like a Virgin"'s about. It's about some cooze who's a regular fuck machine.I mean all the time, morning, day, night, afternoon, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick. <p> OZYMANDIAS: How many dicks was that? <p> NIGHT OWL: A lot. <p> RORSCHACH: Then one day she meets a John Holmes motherfucker, and it's like, whoa baby. This mother fucker's like Charles Bronson in "The Great Escape." He's diggin tunnels. Now she's gettin this serious dick action, she's feelin something she ain't felt since forever. Pain. <p> COMEDIAN: Chew? Toby Chew? No. <p> RORSCHACH: It hurts. It hurts her. It shouldn't hurt. Her pussy should be Bubble-Yum by now. But when this cat fucks her, it hurts. It hurts like the first time. The pain is reminding a fuck machine what is was like to be a virgin. Hence, "Like a Virgin." <p> COMEDIAN: Wong? <p> RORSCHACH: Fuck you, wrong. I'm right! What the fuck do you know about it anyway? You're still listening to Jerry-fucking-Vale. <p> COMEDIAN : Not wrong, dumb ass, Wong! You know, like the Chinese name? <p> Night Owl snatches the address book from Comedian's hand. They fight, but they're not really mad at each other. <p> NIGHT OWL: Give me this fucking thing. <p> COMEDIAN: What the fuck do you think you're doin? Give me my book back! <p> NIGHT OWL: I'm sick of fuckin hearin it Comedian, I'll give it back when we leave. <p> COMEDIAN: Whaddaya mean, give it to me when we leave, give it back now. <p> NIGHT OWL: For the past fifteen minutes now, you've just been droning on with names. "Toby...Toby...Toby... Toby Wong...Toby Wong...Toby Chung...fuckin Charlie Chan." I got Madonna's big dick outta my right ear, and Toby Jap I-don't- know-what, outta my left. <p> COMEDIAN: What do you care? <p> NIGHT OWL: When you're annoying as hell, I care a lot. <p> COMEDIAN: Give me my book. <p> NIGHT OWL: You gonna put it away? <p> COMEDIAN: I'm gonna do whatever I wanna do with it. <p> NIGHT OWL: Well, then, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to keep it. <p> CAPTAIN METROPOLIS: Comedian, you want me to shoot him for you? <p> NIGHT OWL: Shit, you shoot me in a dream, you better wake up and apologize. <p> DR. MANHATTAN: Have you guys been listening to K- BILLY's super sounds of the seventies weekend? <p> RORSCHACH: Yeah, it's fuckin great isn't it? <p> DR. MANHATTAN: Can you believe the songs they been playin? <p> RORSCHACH: No, I can't. You know what I heard the other day? "Heartbeat - It's Lovebeat," by little Tony DeFranco and the DeFranco Family. I haven't heard that since I was in fifth fuckin grade. <p> DR. MANHATTAN: When I was coming down here, I was playin it. And "The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia" came on. Now I ain't heard that song since it was big, but when it was big, I heard it a million- trillion times. I'm listening to it this morning, and this was the first time I ever realized that the lady singing the song, was the one who killed Andy. <p> OZYMANDIAS: You didn't know Vicki Lawrence killed the guy? <p> DR. MANHATTAN: I thought the cheatin wife shot Andy. <p> CAPTAIN METROPOLIS: They say it in the song. <p> DR. MANHATTAN: I know, I heard it. I musta zoned out whenever that part came on before. I thought when she said that little sister stuff, she was talkin about her sister- in-law, the cheatin wife. <p> COMEDIAN: No, she did it. She killed the cheatin wife, too. <p> RORSCHACH: You know the part in "Gypsies, Tramps and Theives," when she says "Poppa woulda shot his if he knew what he'd done?" I could never figure out what he did. <p> The table laughs. The WAITRESS comes over to the table. She has the check, and a pot of coffee. <p> WAITRESS: Can I get anybody more coffee? <p> COMEDIAN: No, we're gonna be hittin it. I'll take care of the check. <p> She hands the bill to him. <p> WAITRESS: Here ya go. Please pay at the register, if you wouldn't mind. <p> COMEDIAN: Sure thing. <p> WAITRESS: You guys have a wonderful day. <p> They all mutter equivalents. She exits and Comedian stands up. <p> COMEDIAN: I'll take care of this, you guys leave the tip. (to Night Owl) And when I come back, I want my book back. <p> NIGHT OWL: Sorry, it's my book now. <p> COMEDIAN: Metropolis, shoot this piece of shit, will ya? <p> Captain Metropolis shoots Night Owl with his finger. Night Owl disintegrates…and then reforms. Comedian exits. <p> DR. MANHATTAN: Okay, everybody cough up green for the little lady. <p> Everybody whips out a buck, and throws it on the table. Everybody, that is, except Night Owl. <p> DR. MANHATTAN: C'mon, throw in a buck. <p> NIGHT OWL: Uh-uh. I don't tip. <p> DR. MANHATTAN: Whaddaya mean you don't tip? <p> NIGHT OWL: I don't believe in it. <p> DR. MANHATTAN: You don't believe in tipping? <p> RORSCHACH: (laughing)I love this kid, he's a madman, this guy. <p> CAPTAIN METROPOLIS: Do you have any idea what these ladies make? They make shit. <p> NIGHT OWL: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money, she can quit. (Everybody laughs.) <p> DR. MANHATTAN: I don't even know a Jew who'd have the balls to say that. So let's get this straight. You never ever tip? <p> NIGHT OWL: I don't tip because society says I gotta. I tip when somebody deserves a tip. When somebody really puts forth an effort, they deserve a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, that shit's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doin their job. <p> OZYMANDIAS: Our girl was nice. <p> NIGHT OWL: Our girl was okay. She didn't do anything special. <p> CAPTAIN METROPOLIS: What's something special, take ya in the kitchen and suck your dick? (They all laugh.) <p> DR. MANHATTAN: I'd go over twelve percent for that. <p> NIGHT OWL: Look, I ordered coffee. Now we've been here a long fuckin’ time, and she's only filled my cup three times. When I order coffee, I want it filled six times. <p> CAPTAIN METROPOLIS: What if she's too busy? <p> NIGHT OWL: The words "too busy" shouldn't be in a waitress's vocabulary. <p> DR. MANHATTAN: Excuse me, Night Owl, but the last thing you need is another cup of coffee. (They all laugh.) <p> NIGHT OWL: These ladies aren't starvin to death. They make minimum wage. When I worked for minimum wage, I wasn't lucky enough to have a job that society deemed tipworthy. <p> DR. MANHATTAN: Ahh, now we're getting down to it. It's not just that he's a cheap bastard-- <p> SILK SPECTRE: --It is that too-- <p> DR. MANHATTAN: --It is that too. But it's also he couldn't get a waiter job. You talk like a pissed off dishwasher: "Fuck those cunts and their fucking tips." <p> CAPTAIN METROPOLIS: So you don't care that they're counting on your tip to live? <p> (Night Owl rubs two of his fingers together.)NIGHT OWL: Do you know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin, playing just for the waitresses. <p> CAPTAIN METROPOLIS: You don't have any idea what The fuck you're talking about. These people bust their ass. This is a hard job. <p> NIGHT OWL: So's working at McDonald's, but you don't feel the need to tip them. They're servin ya food, you should tip em. But no, society says tip these guys over here, but not those guys over there. That's bullshit. <p> SILK SPECTRE: They work harder than the kids at McDonald's. <p> NIGHT OWL: Oh yeah, I don't see them cleaning fryers. <p> MOLOCH THE MYSTIC: These people are taxed on the tips they make. When you stiff 'em, you cost them money. <p> CAPTAIN METROPOLIS: Waitressing is the number one occupation for female non-college graduates in this country. It's the one jab basically any woman can get, and make a living on. The reason is because of tips. <p> NIGHT OWL: Fuck all that. (They all laugh.) <p> NIGHT OWL: Hey, I'm very sorry that the government taxes their tips. That's fucked up. But that ain't my fault. it would appear that waitresses are just one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. You show me a paper says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it. But what I won't do is play ball. And this non- college bullshit you're telling me, I got two words for that: "Learn to fuckin type." Cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent, you're in for a big fuckin surprise. <p> SILK SPECTRE: He's convinced me. Give me my dollar back. (Everybody laughs. Comedian comes back to the table.) <p> COMEDIAN: Okay ramblers, let's get rambling. Wait a minute, who didn't throw in? <p> SILK SPECTRE: Night Owl.<p> COMEDIAN: (to Silk Spectre) Night Owl? (to Night Owl) Why? <p> SILK SPECTRE: He don't tip. <p> COMEDIAN: (to Silk Spectre) He don't tip? (to Night Owl) You don't tip? Why? <p> SILK SPECTRE: He don't believe in it. <p> COMEDIAN: (to Silk Spectre) He don't believe in it? (to Night Owl) You don't believe in it? <p> SILK SPECTRE: Nope. <p> COMEDIAN: (to Silk Spectre) Shut up! (to Night Owl) Cough up the buck, ya cheap bastard, I paid for your goddamn breakfast. <p> NIGHT OWL: Because you paid for the breakfast, I'm gonna tip. Normally I wouldn't. <p> COMEDIAN: Whatever. Just throw in your dollar, and let's move. (to Captain Metropolis) See what I'm dealing with here. Infants. I'm fuckin dealin with infants. <p>

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    18 mins at the Con.

    by knowthyself

    Man I wanted more. Its pretty great. Nixon looks a little too fake but something tells me he wasn't supposed to look realistic. Great opening, great use of the dylan song, and Rorschaches voice kicked ass. Plus the new scene we saw was also great it was the scene where Rorschache throws the oil on the prisoner and says "I'm not stuck in here with you, you're stuck in here with me." He pulled it off it was great.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 7:58 a.m. CST

    I don't mind that the Squid isn't there...

    by FluffyUnbound

    ...but I don't accept the somewhat pat and easy argument that it automatically wouldn't work on the screen. They would have complete carte blanche on creature design. There's nothing that says it has to look exactly like what is in the comic. Why wouldn't something Cloverfield-y have worked on the screen? Didn't it ALREADY work on the screen?

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    If snyder changed the look of the squid...

    by knowthyself

    ...they'd be bitching about that too. It was embarassing to sit there while Gibbons politely answered THREE squid questions. Fanboys are truly the worst.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Lended My Copy of WATCHMEN To A Girl I Know

    by LaserPants

    She said she totally loved it, but that the ending, with the squid, was anticlimactic and kind of silly. Actually, pretty much every non-comic-geek person I have impressed upon to read the graphic novel have all said the same thing. I'm inclined to agree. Ergo, I don't mind them altering the squid to something that aligns more closely with relevant fears. I kinda don't understand why people keep trying to defend the squid thing, actually, or why some of the more, shall we say, "strident" (if not "lunatic" and/or "anal retentice") are unable to distance themselves from it and see how silly the giant squid thing actually is. It borders on parody (and I think Moore realizes this too).

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Actually, I Believe The Word Is Lent

    by LaserPants

    Some grammarian I turned out to be.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Anyone that thinks the squid is important

    by Nuck81

    Does not get the ending of the novel. The entire point of the novel is that a group of men {and a women} decide that the need of the many is greater than the need of the few. The squid is nothing but the catalyst of this statement. The "spririt" of the ending would work with a bomb, Planes flying into biuldings, or a 100 foot marshmellow man. The point is these people decide that Destroying New York is worth world peace.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    EXACTLY! Nuck81

    by LaserPants

    I think some people here kinda totally missed the point of the entire novel.

  • It is important because it sets up "Destroying New York is worth World Peace". The reason being that if New York is destroyed by any Earthly means, people will rise up, band together, and hunt for someone to kill. "Somebody did this to us, lets find them and kill them" would be the rally cry, not the unity Adrian Veidt was seeking. The Squid was designed to appear as something alien, something everyone on the planet would fear and band together to fight. Is the Squid not being there going to ruin the entire movie? No, but it does undermine Adrian Veidt's plan.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    ... oh you read the comic, Harry? That's awesome.

    by WolfmanNards

    I bet you were the first person to read it.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    WEAK, WEAK, WEAK!!!

    by tbdeinc

    This particular video diary was a FLUFF piece...

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    The So-Called Squid

    by SutureSelf

    I'm coming late to this discussion, so this point may have been made. Forgive me if I'm walking a well-trodden path. As I remember, when "Watchmen" first came out, the most vociferous complaints about it stemmed from the idea that the climactic event - the appearance of the "Squid" - seemed to turn what had been a remarkable adventure in imagination into a knock-off of the episode of The Outer Limits called "The Architects of Fear" starring Robert Culp. It left a sour taste in many readers' mouths. It's ironic that the element the inclusion of which was most complained about when Watchmen was new is the element the exclusion of which is most complained about now.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    sutureself good perspective

    by knowthyself

    I had no idea as I was too young to have read watchmen when it was first released.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    It Can Still Be An Alien Device And Work BETTER

    by LaserPants

    Its really not that hard to work around. The squid thing is silly. What it comes down to is we don't know what it's been changed to, but, if anything we've seen thus far is any indiction, it really seems like Snyder gets it, and knows what he's doing. I'm as surprised as anyone cause I wasn't terribly impressed with the Dawn remake (I liked it okay; of course it wasn't as good as the original) and I kinda hated 300 (closet butch gay jingoist fantasy), but everything I've seen on his version of WATCHMEN looks simply amazing. I'm curious how it is going to be received, because it already feels like its going to go WAY over the heads of the cheap seats.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    SutureSelf

    by Rupee88

    you can't expect most people to have any sense of history...they have very short memories too. Anyway, that is very interesting.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    His mask was vinyl, but it

    by Sith Witch

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    His mask was vinyl in the comic, but muslin in the movie?

    by Sith Witch

    How does that make sense with the inkblots moving around? After years of wondering that very thing based off his design alone, I was so relieved that the graphic novel actually goes into a very plausible method for a mask like that to work. Why the production team has ditched this concept is bizarre to say the least. Has anyone heard a reason for this?

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    squid is silly on surface, but the point was..

    by Warcraft

    ...to convince the world an outside force was attacking the planet, so that the world could unite in peace. it's not a hard message to get, and I think people would have accepted it AFTER watching the movie and through discussion. hell when I read it in the book i thought it was ridiculous, but after some discussion afterwards, i came to accept it. snyder and co are cowards for not keeping the ending intact, but we'll just have to see how it turns out. blaming doc manhattan though is not the way to go.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    OK, Rorschach might not technically be a fascist...

    by Continentalop

    ...but he does have a little Brown Shirt in him. <p>

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Here's my problem....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    So we don't have a squid, I'm basically fine with that. The point is having an "other" be such an overwhelming threat that the entire world must unite to survive.<p> In steps Jon for the squid, that's okay on principle, he certainly is capable of being this overwhelming other, but here's where it all falls apart...<p> If Jon only destroys New York then the scheme fails. Some of you can't remember the world during the heart of the Cold War, either because you were a wee child or not even born yet. The Soviet Union would look at this as an American problem, and that New York had been destroyed by an American, not an other...they celebrate in the streets and then attack us, not back down.<p> So if Moscow (and maybe a few other cities) isn't also destroyed then the plan and Veidt fail. The Soviet Union must feel personally threatened, having New York go boom doesn't accomplish this on its own.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    The Squid is Silly and Stupid and Outlandish...

    by Continentalop

    ...but remember what Hitler said (which Ozymandias quotes), "The more outrageous the lie, the more likely people will believe it." Which was the point of the extra-dimensional, psychic squid - something so outrageous that people would be forced to believe it.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Rorshach Is A Total Right Wing Nut

    by LaserPants

    That he also manages to do heroic things, and isn't written as merely a fascist monster, is one of the cool ambiguities of Moore's writing. Moore is totally a left wing guy, but he is harshly critical of both right and left in this story (and others). <br><br> Is Dr. Manhattan supposed to go rogue in this version? You know, I'm sorry, but that actually sounds like a MUCH better idea than the Giant Squid. So he'll play the extraterrestrial bad guy as a fake enemy while all the time being in on the big lie. Thats pretty cool, actually.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Do You Feel Better Now, Kurt?

    by LaserPants

    Thats nice.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Also, Did You Actually Read What I Wrote?

    by LaserPants

    "That he also manages to do heroic things, and isn't written as merely a fascist monster, is one of the cool ambiguities of Moore's writing."<br><br> Note the word "isn't". <br><br>You're welcome.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Aww, Kurt

    by LaserPants

    Snookums have a bad day? Mom's basement walls closing in? There, there. There, there.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    So Kurt, the important thing you're saying here is...

    by Kai_Mah'gra

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Actually I think you could call him a Fascist

    by Continentalop

    Fascism has and can be used as an epithet, and while the term might not be 100% accurate in describing someone, it has become an effective shorthand to describe someone who is willing to use violence to enforce laws and morality (such as when some critics labelled Dirty Harry a fascist character). <p> Besides, the tenants of fascisms are: Nationalism, Authoritarianism, Social Darwinism and Social interventionism. I think you can make the argument that Rorschach is some of those things. So I guess you could say Rorschach is a Quasi-Fascist.<p> Kind of like Diet Coke - just one calorie, not quite fascist enough.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST

    From Webster's Online Dictionary

    by LaserPants

    Since we're being pedantic and sticklerish:<br><br> FASCIST: 1. political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition<br><br> 2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <br><br> Maybe not the first, but Rorshach definitely has shades of the second. Also, even in the first, he is definitely a man who uses dictatorial force to suppress the opposition. So, he has the elements of a fascist mindset; he employs force with a dictatorial authority, seeing himself as the sole judge of what is right and what is wrong. An absolutist. That his right wing nut-jobbery often goes hand in hand with fascism in the real world serves to justify the allusion. BUT, in this story, his motives are ultimately the most just; at least the most honest in the end. Again, casting a moral ambiguity in the text. Part of the genius of Moore's writing.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    How about we all just agree...

    by Continentalop

    ...and call Rorschach a dick or an asshole. Because really, that's what he is: a big asshole.

  • Feb. 8, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Laserpants

    by brobdingnag

    "That his right wing nut-jobbery often goes hand in hand with fascism in the real world serves to justify the allusion" No more often that it goes hand in hand with liberal nut-jobbery.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    KurtLockwood

    by Continentalop

    Exactly. That is why he is an appealing character. He is like Peter Boyle from the film "Joe" - sure he is a racist and a violent psycho, but he is also a patriot who believes in something so you cant help but feel some sympathy for his plight.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Left Wing Nut Job

    by Continentalop

    Ok, how about Ozymandias: he believes that the US and the U.S.S.R are morally relevant, and that sacrificing hundred of thousand of people is worth while if it will be about a global utopia and peace on Earth. Now we have a left-wing nutjob - is everyone happy?

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    I meant "Morally equivalent" not "Morally relevant"

    by Continentalop

    Its getting late.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Are they going to DUB his VOICE?

    by FleshMachine

    cuz J.E.H. sounds pretty weak and somewhat opposite to what i always imagined R.s voice to sounds like.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Squiddies suck.

    by seagrass

    Seriously. Shut the fuck up about the goddamn squid. Every single Watchmen talkback we've had, some chucklehead brings up the squid. Move on already.

  • Feb. 9, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    I wonder who will come across

    by seagrass

    as the most sympathetic character in the film?