Feb. 6, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST
There are not any 3D places where I live, at least not that I am aware of. Ah well.
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST
There are viduals in this film? I can't wait to see and find out what those are.
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST
...not especially normal whatsoever. This movie is testiment of what people accomplish if they do things the hard way because it's fucking awesome. CGI is cool and all but DON'T LET PRACTICAL EFFECTS DIE!!! CGI blood just isn't the same. You know it, I know it, the dog knows it. I personally would like to see a movie on this scale that's fully stop-motion animated that's a hard R. Coraline is a step towards that dream! I know I know that's a dream that's definitively WEIRD. In conclusion, The Hunted with Tommy Lee and Benicio, despite being filmed partly in Portland, did NOTHING to KEEP IT WEIRD.
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST
by Coma Baby
and a good review. Visual art and craft (as long as it has heart) can sometimes trump story for me, so hearing that it's a satisfying story as well as nice to look at makes me really want to see this. <P> I think some reviewers (like at Slate) are warning parents about kids possibly being freaked out by the creapy replacement parents with button eyes thing. But kids can handle a lot more than parents think in a movie (as long as they're there to answer questions and the like). Might be more of a case of parent reviewers creeped out by the thought of being replaced - and their kids not being freaked out by it.
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST
Or is Pixar's UP the clear choice in 2009
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST
Wouldn't it be interesting if this upset Pixar for once? I want to see that cranky old guy be irritated by the hyper boy scout and some business with a squirrel as much as the next fan of things animated and incredible, but just once wouldn't it be a nice change of pace?
Feb. 6, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST
that's right, every single individual frame of the entire film contains CGI elements. Anyone trying to tell you otherwise is a fat liar and probably has a Heat Miser hairdo.
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST
Both claims are specious, and it's because you're not a process guy. I'm presuming you consider that CG would be better, so I'm proceeding from there. I've done a bit of both CG and Stopmo, so there's some experience backing my statements. Easier: The credit list on a CG film is very long because the amount of effort that goes into a CG film is huge. Read about and fully internalize R&D, demands on balancing image quality with processing capability, the full task list that is required to get the image in the computer and render it. Stopmo requires a different kind of huge effort. Better: "They have a real, honest to God geography about them." This is why CG still doesn't look "right". That's not opinion, that's fact. Hence continued R&D on CG. Hair and cloth and skin translucence and other things are always noted as being "better than in previous films" but never "right".
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST
Gaiman never establishes a clear line of action for any of his characters. He's like and ADD mongoloid marveling at some colored bits of paper. Yes, he scatters a lot of color around, but there is no through-line, consistency of character or focus in plot. It works better for a graphic novel, but not in moving pictures and certainly not in a novel. Sad, because I like Gaiman's IDEAS, just not his execution.
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST
by I am the most horrible
I think that's what he meant. It's more properly called craft services.
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST
This movie actually has me excited enough to go see it in a theatre. While I am always excited after reading a good review, the true test for me is whether I find it tantalizing enough to see on the big screen. Most films I wait to view on dvd because I will get just as much joy from watching on my analog tv repeatedly. However Coraline is a special film that will temporarily take my mind off the plunging economy, futile bailout program and excessive taxation.
Feb. 6, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST
Well, if you are going to use that argument, you might as well call almost every movie that hits theaters a CGI movie. In my opinion, the fact that they digitally erased the gigantic horizontal seams splitting the characters' faces in half IN NO WAY diminishes the level of hand-crafted artistry that went into this film. I mean, c'mon! All those cute little sweaters Coraline wears? KNITTED BY HAND WITH TINY KNITTING NEEDLES! If that doesn't earn your respect, well, I can't imagine what would.
Feb. 6, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST
I don't know how most of the flaws can be Gaiman's, when his book is little more than a rough outline that inspired Selick to tell his own story. Sure, there was communication between them, but this movie is definitely Selick's creation. Gaiman has made that very clear in his blog.
Feb. 6, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST
by Bouncy X
cant even explain how horribly disappointed i was when i went to see Nightmare Before Christmas and they started singing. the animation was great but had the original tv spots mentioned it was a musical i wouldnt have gone. so now this movie looks really pretty and i like dakota fanning so thats another plus....but is there singing? because that would just ruin it.
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST
because he needs to come up with excuses to slobber over every crappy movie.
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST
I want some 3D Wallace and Gromit. Now.
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST
Going tomorrow. Thanks, M.
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST
Wait what? They used computers to make this movie? You are shitting me? Please everyone stop enjoying the hand-crafted puppets and frame-by-frame stop-motion animation!! ArcadianDS has informed us that there were computers used in this supposedly "hand" "animated" "production". Its all a fucking sham!! Everything the animators and modelers did is meaningless because the footage they created was run through a computer's dirty disgusting harddrive! Its CGI people!!! CGI!!!!! A computer created it, people!!! A COMPUTER!!! NOT HUMAN BEINGS!!!
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST
it would be just ok in 2d. The movie really does come to life in 3d. The review is pretty much spot on but i disagree that My Bloody Valentine was a shitty movie. The story did suck but the 3D made it worth it. Full review of Coraline here: http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
Feb. 6, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST
if you dont believe me, explain to me why the man doesnt age
Feb. 6, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST
you just made me super-turgid. If it last 3 hours, I'll call you.
Feb. 6, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST
by Bass Ackwards
I had read that they didn't use a fancy 3D camera, but rather, sinceits stop mo, just basically picked the camera up and moved it to capture the same again from the alt. angle to make their 3D. I'm wondering if that actually makes a difference, guess I'll have to see to find out.
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST
There will be no difference. The technique they used is functionally identical to using a fancy 3D camera. Moving the camera in Coraline was computer controlled.
Feb. 6, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST
by Hamtaro Hentai
Just get there early enough to watch the 3D CGI trailers, then compare the quality to Coraline in 3D. The trailers are fun, but the 3D is 'extra'. In Coraline, it seems like, "This is the way the movie was meant to be seen."
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST
Good review, but I've got one big gripe... "...these miniatures, these sets, well, they really exist. When you shoot them in 3-D, there’s an actual, existing depth of field. When you move around things, they look different from alternate angles. They have a real, honest to God geography about them. So seeing it in 3-D produces something VERY DIFFERENT than 3-D generated for a CG film." I work in CG, and I'm telling you that, for the most part, our sets and characters exist in a "real world" space within the computer. We build sets/worlds that are every bit as detailed as a real-world set, and just as painstakingly assembled. When a CG film is done in 3D, 2 cameras are placed side-by-side, just as they are in the real world, and capture those different angles, etc. I think the main difference you're seeing is how the 3D was implemented... Selick manipulated the 3D in a way that served his storytelling in a fantastic way. Some directors are better using the technique than others.
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST
Mooseboy's right, the technique's no different. The benefit they had by using a single camera, and moving it, is the distance between the "eyes". Typical 3D camera rigs have a lot of space between the lenses, which is generally wider than the space between human eyes. Using a single camera negates that flaw.
Feb. 6, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST
by John Maddening
While yes, this is a children's book, it's a 162-page children's book. This isn't making a 90 minute movie out of THE CAT IN THE HAT or HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS, this is a good length book for a feature film. If the movie meanders, it's because the book did. It takes its time getting there. Gaiman believes that kids still have attention spans and can deal with grown-up topics without being talked down to. For heaven's sake, the man just won the Newberry Medal for a children's book about a family murdered by a serial killer!
Feb. 7, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST
There is only one song, and it's about a minute long, and it's done by They Might Be Giants, therefore it gets a pass. In fact, you can see the song in its entirety on the website if you want to prepare yourself in advance. It's in Mr Jones' study. Click on the record player.
Feb. 7, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST
Call me a nitpicking asshole jerk, but, well, yes I am.
Feb. 8, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST
by Horace Cox
This should be a solid contender. Amazing job.